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Two young boys disappeared
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off the streets of Chelmsley Wood
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on Boxing Day night, 1996.
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Never to be seen again.
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Patrick and David, just 11 and 13.
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And 24 years later,
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we still don't know what
happened to those boys.
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Patrick Warren and David Spencer
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disappeared in Birmingham in
1996, on Boxing Day evening.
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They were only 11 and 13,
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and they became known
as the Milk Carton kids.
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Yeah, because these were
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the first missing
children ever to be placed
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on milk cartons in this country.
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And I know that this is a case
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that has always bothered you, hasn't it?
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Well, I started
to teach in Birmingham
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the following year.
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But more importantly, their
bodies have never been found,
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and nobody's ever been caught.
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Despite there being two
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major police investigations
in 1996 and 2006.
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So, I want to know
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why the police investigation
wasn't successful,
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and therefore, I think we've
got to re-examine this case
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to see what happened to the boys.
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And the best place to start
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is by talking to their family,
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who I know still live in the local area.
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And we can look back at newspaper reports,
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and see if they throw up any new witnesses
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or new information.
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And we know that the last place
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that the boys were seen
alive was at a petrol station
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in Chelmsley Wood, near
to where they lived.
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Which is now a KFC.
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Feisty duo.
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Shoplifting, they'd been in scrapes.
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Teenage runaways.
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What? "Detective inspector Derek Biggs
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of West Midlands Police
said there was no reason
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to believe any harm had come to the pair."
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Inspector David Chapman of
West Midlands police said,
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"They're both streetwise lads."
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They're 11 and 13.
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Hi, Emilia.
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So basically, I've read all
these articles from the time.
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I don't know.
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I feel confused about the
way the case was reported on,
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and I wonder what was going on
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with the police investigation.
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That's interesting.
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The way the boys
are described in the press,
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like the phrases they
use, the words they use,
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it's like they were asking for it.
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You know, despite their characters,
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whatever their characters were,
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they're still vulnerable children.
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Could they have fended for
themselves at that age?
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I don't think so.
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No, they couldn't.
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And it's
heartbreaking where their mums
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are making the appeals for the boys.
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"Two tearful Midland Mums today pleaded
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with their missing sons,
"Please come home.""
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Brings tears.
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What age was he here?
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11.
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11.
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He's not a pushover.
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No, definitely not. You can
see he's not a wimp, look.
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He can look after himself.
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What sort of
personality did he have?
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Just a little mischievous kid, like.
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A lovable rogue, isn't it?
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What impact has losing your
older brother had on you?
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It's ruined my life.
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In what way?
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In my head ...
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I can't even explain. In here.
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I'll never get over it. Never.
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I want closure of this.
I want my son home,
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so I can put him to rest.
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I want something I can properly grieve.
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Lee, can you just
explain about Patrick and David,
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on the night of Boxing Day?
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Paddy said he was stopping here.
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David said he was stopping there.
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They both at some point
gone to the petrol station.
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Two boys, and a bike.
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When were the boys
first reported as missing?
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Andy, Paddy's brother,
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came here saying, "Is Paddy here?"
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I Said, "No, David, said
he was staying at yours."
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He says, "Well, he hasn't turned up."
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Andy then reported to the police
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that David and Paddy didn't
turn up to his house.
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10, half 10, something like that, right?
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The police didn't come
here till half four.
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In the morning?
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In the morning.
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They thought the kids were here.
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I said, "They're not here."
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"Can we check the bedroom?"
I said, "Course you can."
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Then they left, they says, "Okay."
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Never heard nothing then, for three days.
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Three days.
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Three days
it took them to come out.
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Did they think
this was about two boys
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that were running away? Did they think
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they were missing people?
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Did they think there was a
vulnerability going on here?
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Because he had a bit of a criminal record,
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and he was knew by the police,
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it was like, "He'll come
home when he's hungry."
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Mhmm.
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That was said to me,
when I was a little boy,
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by a police officer.
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No way would he have left me,
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and he wouldn't have seen me
go through all this torture
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without contacting me,
if he'd just run away.
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He would have come back.
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I reckon the night he went
missing was the night he died.
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When did the
detectives, the CID branch,
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get involved?
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Three months, I think it
was, after they went missing.
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Three months?
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Three months.
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They were still, for
the first three months,
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treating this as a missing persons case?
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Why isn't it a murder case?
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Why isn't it a double murder case,
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for two kids from Chelmsley
Wood? Why isn't it that?
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You never thought it was taken seriously?
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No.
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What would the
police have had to have done
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to demonstrate they were
taking it seriously?
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Their job properly.
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Just that, isn't it? You
know what they're paid to do.
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Come in of a morning,
there's reports of a boy.
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"Right, someone's reported a boy,"
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so then you put him as a missing boy,
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then you inform ...
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All your police are coming on the day,
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and then they all look for the boy.
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Just genuinely their job.
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Who is he? Who is he? Who
is the guy in that station
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that decided that it was
not important for my brother
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to be dealt with properly?
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Yeah.
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It's an urgent-
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It's disgusting.
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Police done nothing right at the start.
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They are still doing nothing right now.
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I think the police are not
interested in this case.
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Ask me why, I don't know.
I don't know the reason,
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but there is a reason.
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There's a reason they're
not interested in it.
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Why?
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You know Birmingham so well.
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Tell me about Chelmsley Wood.
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Chelmsley Wood's a council estate.
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Chelmsley Wood's people who
are holding down probably two,
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perhaps three jobs to get
themselves through the month.
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And I worry, did David and Patrick not get
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the policing they deserved,
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because they lived in Chelmsley Wood?
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Did that have an impact on
the policing investigation?
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You think it did?
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People imagine that all murders
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are treated the same,
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but there's no way that David and Patrick
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were ideal victims.
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What is an ideal victim?
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Frankly, a
middle-class white girl,
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with blonde hair and blue eyes.
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That case will get lots
of media attention.
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And if it gets lots-
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Just from the way that they look?
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Just from their class, their
gender, their ethnicity,
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they will get more
attention from the media,
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which in turn puts more
pressure on the police
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to solve that case, as opposed
to the cases of other kids
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that might go missing.
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I think that's shocking.
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But that's the reality.
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That's the reality of murder,
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that I see all the time in my work,
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class.
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And Chelmsley Wood is
a working class area.
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Hello, this is
professor David Wilson.
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I can't take your call, but
please leave me a message.
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David, I've been
asking around in Chelmsley Wood,
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and I've found a witness
who still lives in the area.
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Ellen Morgan. She was the
petrol station attendant
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on the night the boys went missing.
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The police have spoken to her twice.
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She might've been the
last person to see them.
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I'll let you know what I find out.
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Do you remember Patrick and David well?
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Were they familiar faces to you?
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They was, yes.
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Why did they
come to the petrol station
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that night?
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Because they was hungry.
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And did you chat
with them that night?
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I talked to them a bit, and I said,
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"Well I'll buy you a pocket of biscuits."
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They went and sat over there on the steps.
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That used to be steps coming down.
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Could you see them from
the petrol station?
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Yeah. Sitting there, eating the biscuits.
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Did you notice
what happened after that?
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Where they went?
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No, they just disappeared.
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Tell me about the petrol station
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where you worked.
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Well, the pumps was here.
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Yeah.
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And then further up here, it's the shop.
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You just have to serve with
the hatch over night time.
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It's about here.
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And that's how you could
see where the boys were.
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And then how did you communicate
with people who were-
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It was a microphone.
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Right.
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And you could
hear anything what was ...
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Anybody walking around.
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So it was a quiet night,
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and a microphone would
have picked up any noise.
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So anything, any sounds of screams-
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Yes.
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Or a struggle would have been
picked up by the microphone,
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and you would have heard it that night?
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Yes, yes.
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Yes, I would have.
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This is about where the bin area was,
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where Patrick left his bike.
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In this area.
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So Paddy's bike was left here?
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Yes.
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Everybody said he really wanted that bike.
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His dad bought it for him,
I think, the day before.
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And you didn't
see him with it over there?
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No.
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And what about CCTV at that time?
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Did the petrol station have CCTV?
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They had a video recorder.
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What it recorded, I don't know.
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Do you know if anyone ever
came to check the CCTV?
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To my knowledge, they didn't.
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But it must've picked up something.
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Well, you would think so.
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You would think so, but
I don't know, you know?
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Nobody ever told me anything about that.
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Thanks, Roisin.
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Thank you.
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Thanks so much. Fab.
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This red Apollo bike was
given to Paddy for Christmas.
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So it was like a treasured present.
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The bike's really important then,
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because if they had gone missing,
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if they were running away,
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presumably they would have taken the bike.
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And also wouldn't the fact
that Paddy had left his bike
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and not come back to pick it up,
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wouldn't that raise a massive alarm
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that something had happened to the boys?
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Crucially, there was a
microphone on the forecourt side
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of the petrol station
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that would have picked
up if there had been
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any noises of screams of the boys
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or anything that suggested a struggle.
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David was a talented boxer.
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This is a boy that would
have shouted and screamed
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and resisted being abducted into a car.
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And given what you've discovered,
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this tells us a wee bit about
what might have happened
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on that date.
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I read an
article about it actually,
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and I think I've tracked down someone
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who might be able to tell us some more.
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Leda Reynolds.
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Tell me about Leda Reynolds.
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She's a local journalist?
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Yes, who's written
extensively about the case,
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and she suggests that
the boys were abducted
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and she even names a suspect.
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Who's that?
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He's a guy called Brian Field
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who was living in the area at the time,
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and Leda has even met him,
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because they used to
drink in the same pub.
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Well, maybe we should go to that pub.
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Unfortunately, the pub is long gone,
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but I have arranged to meet her nearby.
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So, clearly, this is the case,
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that you have cared about
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and you care about David and Patrick
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and what happened to them,
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because you've been involved
with it for so long.
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The case had always bothered me.
303
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And I'm really glad you're
both investigating it,
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because something needs to be done.
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Leda, tell me a little more
about this man, Brian Field.
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Brian Field was a gardener,
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and he'd lived in Solihull.
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When I went to the pub, he
was chatting, he was laughing.
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We were taking part in a quiz.
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Have a look at this.
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A video of him.
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It's from a
documentary he appeared in.
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He's doing a strip tease.
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In the middle of the pub.
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Oh my God.
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So when I find out later on
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that he'd actually been convicted in 2001
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for the rape and murder of a
school boy called Roy Tutill,
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I was really shocked.
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In 1968, Roy Tutill, he was
on his way home from school.
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He went to Kingston
Grammar School in Surrey.
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Unfortunately for Roy
that day, Brian Field,
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who worked and lived in
the area was driving past,
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offered him a lift, and
raped and strangled him,
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before dumping his body.
326
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And how did
Brian Field get caught
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for the murder of Roy Tutill?
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He was stopped for drink driving
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and they took a swab from his cheek.
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Surrey Police run it
through the DNA database,
331
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and it flagged up with a semen stain
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left on the clothing of Roy Tutill.
333
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Leda, what happened
334
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after Brian Field's conviction?
335
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Surrey Police had
contacted different forces
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around the country,
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to say, "You need to be
looking at this man."
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25 other child disappearances
should be investigated.
339
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And as part of those,
one of them should be
340
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the milk carton kids.
341
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Patrick Warren and David Spencer.
342
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Then what happened?
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Well, I moved away from Birmingham.
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I went to work somewhere else.
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When I got back in 2006,
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I wanted to find out what
happened to the boys.
347
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So I rang West Midlands Police,
348
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and they told me that the
still a missing persons-
349
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Missing persons?
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Missing persons inquiry.
351
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So for five years,
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they hadn't been looking at Brian Field
353
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as a possible suspect
for the kidnap and murder
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of these children.
355
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So I built up this dossier,
took it to the police.
356
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There was me and some
people from the paper
357
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that was working at the Birmingham Mail.
358
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I said, "You need to look at Brian Field."
359
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Two weeks went by,
360
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and I was told that there'd
be a press conference.
361
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And they announced there that,
362
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"We believe they have been murdered.
363
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Brian Field is one of a number of avenues
364
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we're investigating,
about the missing boys."
365
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And what happened?
366
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He's at prison.
367
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They picked him up, they
brought him to a police station
368
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in Birmingham and he was interviewed twice
369
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under caution about the missing boys.
370
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And he denied all knowledge of the boys.
371
00:19:42,621 --> 00:19:44,421
West Midlands Police
said they were searching
372
00:19:44,501 --> 00:19:47,741
a number of sites in
the hunt for the boys.
373
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And so presumably,
374
00:19:48,701 --> 00:19:50,701
they did not find ...
375
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They found nothing.
376
00:19:51,581 --> 00:19:52,421
Yeah.
377
00:20:17,861 --> 00:20:18,861
Thank you.
378
00:20:21,781 --> 00:20:24,741
We have to look
more closely at Brian Field
379
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in the story of David and Paddy,
380
00:20:27,981 --> 00:20:29,141
and here are two pictures of him
381
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at the milk marketing board,
382
00:20:30,661 --> 00:20:35,661
and then when he's arrested
for the drunk driving charges.
383
00:20:35,821 --> 00:20:38,821
I want to know more about
Field's offending background.
384
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What do you have?
385
00:20:40,261 --> 00:20:42,621
Brian Field has been convicted six times
386
00:20:42,701 --> 00:20:45,461
of sexual offences against teenage boys.
387
00:20:45,541 --> 00:20:47,061
Six times.
388
00:20:47,141 --> 00:20:48,421
Mhmm.
389
00:20:48,501 --> 00:20:49,661
His first conviction was
390
00:20:49,741 --> 00:20:53,461
for gross indecency at Wrexham, in 1969.
391
00:20:53,541 --> 00:20:56,821
In 1972, he was convicted
for a second time
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00:20:56,901 --> 00:20:59,541
for indecent assault at Aberdeenshire.
393
00:20:59,621 --> 00:21:02,061
And then his third conviction
was for gross indecency
394
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at Oswestry.
395
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So back in the Midlands.
396
00:21:04,701 --> 00:21:06,941
The fourth conviction in 1983
397
00:21:07,021 --> 00:21:10,021
was for two counts of
buggery at Shrewsbury,
398
00:21:10,101 --> 00:21:12,861
and his fifth conviction in 1986
399
00:21:12,941 --> 00:21:15,541
was a double kidnapping at Oswestry.
400
00:21:15,621 --> 00:21:17,941
Oh, now that's significant.
401
00:21:18,021 --> 00:21:19,741
It seems to me, a double kidnapping,
402
00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:21,981
I want to know more about
that offence, I think.
403
00:21:22,061 --> 00:21:25,461
So, they were two teenagers, 13 and 16,
404
00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:28,741
and they got into Field's car.
405
00:21:28,821 --> 00:21:30,421
They'd hitched a lift,
406
00:21:30,501 --> 00:21:32,981
and when he didn't go towards their home
407
00:21:33,061 --> 00:21:34,941
and took a different direction,
408
00:21:35,021 --> 00:21:36,381
they tried to get out of the car
409
00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:39,421
and he then threatened them physically.
410
00:21:39,501 --> 00:21:40,821
But they managed to jump out
411
00:21:40,901 --> 00:21:42,181
of the moving car.
412
00:21:42,261 --> 00:21:43,941
I don't know of any other offender
413
00:21:44,021 --> 00:21:47,781
who's ever been convicted of attempting
414
00:21:48,421 --> 00:21:50,701
to abduct two teenagers at the same time.
415
00:21:50,781 --> 00:21:52,101
I don't know of any other offender.
416
00:21:52,181 --> 00:21:55,061
That would be really unusual for me.
417
00:21:55,141 --> 00:21:56,501
And the sixth conviction
418
00:21:56,581 --> 00:22:01,581
was for the murder and sexual
assault of Roy Tutill in 1968.
419
00:22:02,421 --> 00:22:03,781
So we know he's been offending
420
00:22:03,861 --> 00:22:05,541
as far back as 1968,
421
00:22:06,781 --> 00:22:09,981
but there's also something
significant there.
422
00:22:10,061 --> 00:22:15,021
There are no charges
between 1986 and 1999,
423
00:22:16,181 --> 00:22:18,941
when he's going to get
caught drunk driving.
424
00:22:19,021 --> 00:22:21,821
This kind of offender, in my experience,
425
00:22:21,901 --> 00:22:23,781
doesn't stop offending.
426
00:22:23,861 --> 00:22:26,021
So what other crimes might
he have been committing
427
00:22:26,101 --> 00:22:27,981
during that period?
428
00:22:28,701 --> 00:22:30,381
We know that he was questioned
429
00:22:30,461 --> 00:22:33,541
about the disappearance
of David and Patrick
430
00:22:33,621 --> 00:22:35,901
who vanished in 1996.
431
00:22:35,981 --> 00:22:38,061
Field was living near
the area at the time,
432
00:22:38,141 --> 00:22:40,661
and in 2006, he was questioned
433
00:22:40,741 --> 00:22:42,301
about the boys' disappearance,
434
00:22:42,381 --> 00:22:44,181
but he's never been charged,
435
00:22:44,261 --> 00:22:46,701
presumably through lack of evidence.
436
00:22:46,781 --> 00:22:49,501
And the case is still active.
437
00:22:49,581 --> 00:22:52,261
Three other people were arrested
438
00:22:52,341 --> 00:22:55,461
in connection to the
disappearance of David and Paddy,
439
00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:58,061
but no charges were ever made.
440
00:22:59,181 --> 00:23:00,461
When we think about that,
441
00:23:00,541 --> 00:23:02,861
we've got somebody who's
already committed a murder
442
00:23:02,941 --> 00:23:05,701
and a number of child sexual offences.
443
00:23:05,781 --> 00:23:08,101
I think we've got to conclude Brian Field
444
00:23:08,181 --> 00:23:10,181
is the prime suspect.
445
00:23:10,741 --> 00:23:15,221
Let's see if we can find out
more about Field in this area
446
00:23:15,301 --> 00:23:17,781
post-1986.
447
00:23:44,101 --> 00:23:45,381
I've been doing some research
448
00:23:45,461 --> 00:23:47,981
into other offences Field might have been
449
00:23:48,061 --> 00:23:50,941
connected to in the Birmingham area.
450
00:23:51,021 --> 00:23:55,981
There is another case that
has been linked to Brian Field
451
00:23:57,061 --> 00:24:01,981
of another boy who was
found hanged in 1984.
452
00:24:03,061 --> 00:24:03,781
This boy-
453
00:24:03,861 --> 00:24:04,621
Another boy?
454
00:24:04,701 --> 00:24:07,781
Another boy. This boy's
name was Mark Billington.
455
00:24:07,861 --> 00:24:09,621
I did some research,
456
00:24:09,701 --> 00:24:13,541
and his parents believe that Brian Field
457
00:24:13,621 --> 00:24:17,421
was responsible for their son's death.
458
00:24:17,501 --> 00:24:19,661
There were other suspects
arrested in connection
459
00:24:19,741 --> 00:24:21,301
with Mark Billington's murder,
460
00:24:21,381 --> 00:24:25,221
but nobody has been charged
and it remains unsolved.
461
00:24:25,301 --> 00:24:27,781
So Brian Field has not been ruled out.
462
00:24:27,861 --> 00:24:31,821
So, this is a
completely different murder
463
00:24:31,901 --> 00:24:34,101
that he's suspected of,
464
00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:38,101
not involving Paddy and David Spencer?
465
00:24:38,181 --> 00:24:38,981
Yes.
466
00:24:53,141 --> 00:24:55,101
I've managed to
track down Mark Billington's
467
00:24:55,181 --> 00:24:59,181
parents and sister. They
still live in the area.
468
00:25:09,221 --> 00:25:10,501
This is our son Mark.
469
00:25:10,581 --> 00:25:13,701
He was 13 when this picture was taken.
470
00:25:13,781 --> 00:25:15,941
He was a kind, gentle boy.
471
00:25:17,061 --> 00:25:21,701
When the police said that
Mark had killed himself,
472
00:25:22,341 --> 00:25:24,221
nobody believed it.
473
00:25:26,261 --> 00:25:28,461
So there were two inquests-
474
00:25:28,541 --> 00:25:29,301
Yes.
475
00:25:29,381 --> 00:25:32,061
And the first inquest into Mark's death
476
00:25:32,141 --> 00:25:34,421
recorded an open verdict.
477
00:25:34,501 --> 00:25:38,661
And then there was a second
inquest about Mark's death,
478
00:25:38,741 --> 00:25:41,781
made it into a murder inquiry.
479
00:25:41,861 --> 00:25:43,661
How many years later?
480
00:25:43,741 --> 00:25:47,381
We're talking about '85 to 2000 and ...
481
00:25:47,461 --> 00:25:48,221
It was 2002.
482
00:25:48,301 --> 00:25:49,541
Two, yes.
483
00:25:49,621 --> 00:25:51,661
Tell me what happened in between.
484
00:25:51,741 --> 00:25:53,661
Investigation was probably going on
485
00:25:53,741 --> 00:25:54,741
in the background,
486
00:25:54,821 --> 00:25:56,861
instigated by Bob Pool.
487
00:25:56,941 --> 00:25:58,901
Now, who was Bob Pool?
488
00:25:58,981 --> 00:26:02,821
Bob Pool was a Sergeant
in the police force.
489
00:26:03,981 --> 00:26:07,301
And he literally took up the chalice,
490
00:26:07,381 --> 00:26:10,061
and he did not believe that Mark
491
00:26:11,021 --> 00:26:12,381
could have committed suicide.
492
00:26:12,461 --> 00:26:15,821
Right from the first investigation.
493
00:26:15,901 --> 00:26:18,181
Bob Pool paid for a knot expert
494
00:26:18,261 --> 00:26:20,581
to come over from Switzerland,
495
00:26:20,661 --> 00:26:24,181
and he categorically said there was no way
496
00:26:25,181 --> 00:26:26,981
any child could do those knots.
497
00:26:27,061 --> 00:26:29,101
They were too sophisticated.
498
00:26:29,181 --> 00:26:31,141
At the end of the day, it was murder,
499
00:26:31,221 --> 00:26:35,221
which we've been saying
right from day one.
500
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,461
So Bob Pool felt that
501
00:26:37,541 --> 00:26:40,341
you hadn't been fairly
treated by the police,
502
00:26:40,421 --> 00:26:42,941
and that's why he continued to be involved
503
00:26:43,021 --> 00:26:45,181
with trying to prove that someone else
504
00:26:45,261 --> 00:26:47,141
was involved, and that it should have been
505
00:26:47,221 --> 00:26:48,501
a murder inquiry.
506
00:26:48,581 --> 00:26:50,261
I think he rattled a few cages.
507
00:26:50,341 --> 00:26:51,501
Yes.
508
00:26:51,581 --> 00:26:54,101
And I think that's what
started the police going again.
509
00:26:54,181 --> 00:26:57,181
That and Brian Field's conviction in 2001.
510
00:26:57,261 --> 00:26:58,021
Yes.
511
00:26:58,101 --> 00:27:01,101
When he was
investigated for 25 other cases
512
00:27:01,181 --> 00:27:04,261
that he might have been involved.
513
00:27:06,101 --> 00:27:08,981
When did you first hear about Brian Field?
514
00:27:09,061 --> 00:27:11,301
Again, from Bob Pool, saying that,
515
00:27:11,381 --> 00:27:14,901
"This guy is a well known paedophile."
516
00:27:15,701 --> 00:27:19,621
He's done so many indecent criminal acts.
517
00:27:19,701 --> 00:27:23,141
Is there any way that he
could have got to know Mark?
518
00:27:23,221 --> 00:27:23,981
Yes.
519
00:27:24,061 --> 00:27:28,021
He lived about a mile and
a half from where we were.
520
00:27:28,101 --> 00:27:31,821
So he's got easy access
to the playing fields
521
00:27:31,901 --> 00:27:34,301
at the back of where we lived.
522
00:27:34,381 --> 00:27:36,221
He was very trusting, Mark was.
523
00:27:36,301 --> 00:27:37,061
Yeah.
524
00:27:37,141 --> 00:27:41,301
If somebody told him a
story, he'd believe them.
525
00:27:43,301 --> 00:27:45,701
In 2002, as the case was reopened
526
00:27:45,781 --> 00:27:50,341
and re-looked into, they were
looking for the artefacts,
527
00:27:50,421 --> 00:27:52,181
but they were lost.
528
00:27:53,061 --> 00:27:55,941
So they can't get any DNA evidence?
529
00:27:56,021 --> 00:27:57,261
With the Roy Tutill case,
530
00:27:57,341 --> 00:27:58,461
which was the case that convicted
531
00:27:58,541 --> 00:27:59,541
and put Brian Field away-
532
00:27:59,621 --> 00:28:00,381
Absolutely.
533
00:28:00,461 --> 00:28:04,581
Through the DNA
screening, 30 years later,
534
00:28:04,661 --> 00:28:07,181
that's taken away from us as a family.
535
00:28:07,261 --> 00:28:08,421
And there's been no explanation.
536
00:28:08,501 --> 00:28:11,141
It's documented
that they searched for them,
537
00:28:11,221 --> 00:28:14,381
but because Mark's case
was never officially
538
00:28:14,461 --> 00:28:15,701
recorded as a crime-
539
00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:16,541
Right.
540
00:28:16,621 --> 00:28:20,461
They didn't have to
then keep the artefacts.
541
00:28:23,581 --> 00:28:24,661
I just dread the thought
542
00:28:24,741 --> 00:28:27,821
of other people going through it.
543
00:28:29,901 --> 00:28:32,781
We're looking
into the disappearance
544
00:28:32,861 --> 00:28:36,421
of David Spencer and Patrick Warren.
545
00:28:36,501 --> 00:28:38,541
When you heard about that case,
546
00:28:38,621 --> 00:28:40,941
did you associate it in any way
547
00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:43,421
with what had happened with Mark?
548
00:28:43,501 --> 00:28:45,141
Yes, obviously. You start thinking
549
00:28:45,221 --> 00:28:46,621
about the possibilities.
550
00:28:46,701 --> 00:28:47,941
Yeah.
551
00:28:48,021 --> 00:28:50,861
Once that guy's name comes up.
552
00:28:50,941 --> 00:28:55,821
Brian Field. You think, "Is
he responsible for that?
553
00:28:56,381 --> 00:28:58,341
For that? For that?"
554
00:28:58,421 --> 00:29:02,301
He's been responsible for so many things.
555
00:29:03,261 --> 00:29:06,781
I just wish I could pin him down to Mark.
556
00:29:09,301 --> 00:29:13,061
Someone took my child's life. Our child.
557
00:29:28,461 --> 00:29:30,541
How'd you cope with that?
558
00:29:33,341 --> 00:29:35,421
When you know someone ...
559
00:30:10,901 --> 00:30:13,581
Just been to
meet the Billingtons,
560
00:30:13,661 --> 00:30:17,301
and there is a connection to Brian Field.
561
00:30:17,381 --> 00:30:19,941
Field was possibly living one mile away
562
00:30:20,021 --> 00:30:22,461
from the Billingtons at the time.
563
00:30:22,541 --> 00:30:25,021
So how does
this relate to our case?
564
00:30:25,101 --> 00:30:27,461
Roy Billington, Mark's dad-
565
00:30:27,541 --> 00:30:28,461
Yeah.
566
00:30:28,541 --> 00:30:32,541
Has collected all the
correspondence and information
567
00:30:32,621 --> 00:30:33,941
he got from Bob Pool.
568
00:30:34,021 --> 00:30:34,781
Who's Bob Pool?
569
00:30:34,861 --> 00:30:37,661
Bob Pool was a junior officer on the case,
570
00:30:37,741 --> 00:30:39,221
and he helped the family because he felt
571
00:30:39,301 --> 00:30:41,101
that there had been gross injustice
572
00:30:41,181 --> 00:30:41,941
done to them.
573
00:30:42,021 --> 00:30:44,901
Can we get access to Bob Pool?
574
00:30:44,981 --> 00:30:47,221
No, Bob Pool has died.
575
00:30:47,301 --> 00:30:51,101
But this is one of the
emails from Bob Pool.
576
00:30:51,181 --> 00:30:52,541
Read this bit here.
577
00:30:52,621 --> 00:30:54,421
"I am still working on seeing two
578
00:30:54,501 --> 00:30:56,541
rather reluctant witnesses I've located
579
00:30:56,621 --> 00:30:59,781
at Chelmsley Wood, in respect
for the missing boys."
580
00:30:59,861 --> 00:31:01,221
So our two boys.
581
00:31:03,101 --> 00:31:07,021
Oh my gosh. "One of whom
saw Field with both lads
582
00:31:07,101 --> 00:31:09,181
a few days before they disappeared."
583
00:31:09,261 --> 00:31:10,261
That's the
first time that we have
584
00:31:10,341 --> 00:31:14,381
any connection between
Field and the two boys,
585
00:31:14,461 --> 00:31:16,901
possibly knowing them
before they were taken.
586
00:31:16,981 --> 00:31:18,501
And it also explains something.
587
00:31:18,581 --> 00:31:20,381
We've always been concerned about the fact
588
00:31:20,461 --> 00:31:23,181
that there was no noise on that night.
589
00:31:23,261 --> 00:31:27,101
Well, if the boys knew Field
590
00:31:27,181 --> 00:31:29,901
prior to Boxing Day night
when they disappear,
591
00:31:29,981 --> 00:31:32,981
that's why nobody hears
anybody scream or shout,
592
00:31:33,061 --> 00:31:36,421
or try to fight as they're being abducted.
593
00:31:36,501 --> 00:31:38,061
And also, we thought that his MO
594
00:31:38,141 --> 00:31:39,861
was as an opportunist.
595
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:44,461
This suggests that there
was grooming involved.
596
00:31:59,261 --> 00:32:01,581
For me, the case is closing in
597
00:32:01,661 --> 00:32:04,461
around Brian Field as a suspect,
598
00:32:04,541 --> 00:32:06,101
but there's still missing pieces,
599
00:32:06,181 --> 00:32:10,221
like how he operates when
he commits his crimes.
600
00:32:10,301 --> 00:32:13,381
So I'm going to interview Dr. Graham Hill,
601
00:32:13,461 --> 00:32:17,061
who's an expert on predatory paedophiles.
602
00:32:17,141 --> 00:32:21,341
Graham has interviewed Brian
on a number of occasions,
603
00:32:21,421 --> 00:32:26,741
and crucially got him to admit
to the murder of Roy Tutill.
604
00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:28,581
If I did get too involved,
605
00:32:28,661 --> 00:32:31,181
I would have to tell them about my past.
606
00:32:31,261 --> 00:32:35,181
And that's why I sort of
work on my own and ...
607
00:32:38,261 --> 00:32:40,261
And keep my distance.
608
00:32:42,021 --> 00:32:45,541
He comes across as quite a kindly
609
00:32:45,621 --> 00:32:47,501
grandfather figure.
610
00:32:47,581 --> 00:32:49,301
Don't get sucked into seeing a little,
611
00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:51,021
gray-haired old man.
612
00:32:51,101 --> 00:32:55,381
In 1968, he was in his
30s, fit, ex-Marine,
613
00:32:55,461 --> 00:32:57,381
rugby playing, worked on the land.
614
00:32:57,461 --> 00:32:59,901
He would have been an
enormous threat to Roy Tutill.
615
00:32:59,981 --> 00:33:03,101
If I had a drink, I'd get that urge,
616
00:33:03,181 --> 00:33:05,741
that I want to have sex.
617
00:33:05,821 --> 00:33:07,141
And that's when I ...
618
00:33:07,221 --> 00:33:09,461
My trouble started.
619
00:33:09,541 --> 00:33:12,301
I just lost my head or something.
620
00:33:12,381 --> 00:33:16,261
So he's revealing
alcohol's one of his triggers,
621
00:33:16,341 --> 00:33:18,261
in relation to offending.
622
00:33:18,341 --> 00:33:19,901
Why is he telling you that?
623
00:33:19,981 --> 00:33:24,461
He sees alcohol as a precursor
to a lot of his offences.
624
00:33:24,541 --> 00:33:26,741
And in fact, when you look
at a lot of his offences,
625
00:33:26,821 --> 00:33:28,781
he's committed them
while he's been drinking.
626
00:33:28,861 --> 00:33:31,221
So we all know that
alcohol is a disinhibitor,
627
00:33:31,301 --> 00:33:34,501
because Brian is, in essence,
a preferential offender.
628
00:33:34,581 --> 00:33:36,701
So, explain preferential offending.
629
00:33:36,781 --> 00:33:38,101
Okay, so preferential offending
630
00:33:38,181 --> 00:33:42,181
is where the offender acts compulsively
631
00:33:42,261 --> 00:33:44,301
to fulfil a sexual need.
632
00:33:44,381 --> 00:33:45,661
Brian is, in essence,
633
00:33:45,741 --> 00:33:47,741
sexually interested in prepubescent boys.
634
00:33:47,821 --> 00:33:50,021
In fact, he's what's known as a hebephile.
635
00:33:50,101 --> 00:33:52,181
Given the opportunity,
right circumstances,
636
00:33:52,261 --> 00:33:54,701
right place, right time, he would offend
637
00:33:54,781 --> 00:33:57,821
against that type of victim.
638
00:33:57,901 --> 00:34:00,461
I was driving along the road,
639
00:34:01,981 --> 00:34:04,901
and I saw this lad get off the bus.
640
00:34:08,541 --> 00:34:11,061
And he thumbed for it.
641
00:34:11,141 --> 00:34:12,381
I'm sure he thumbed for a lift.
642
00:34:12,461 --> 00:34:13,901
He stood there.
643
00:34:14,541 --> 00:34:16,541
I stopped and he got in.
644
00:34:18,861 --> 00:34:20,301
You're in the car?
645
00:34:20,381 --> 00:34:21,181
Yeah.
646
00:34:21,261 --> 00:34:23,621
What do you try to do?
647
00:34:23,701 --> 00:34:26,261
I tried to bugger him.
648
00:34:26,341 --> 00:34:28,781
Right over the front seat.
649
00:34:29,421 --> 00:34:30,781
Was he crying? What was he doing?
650
00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:33,101
No, no, he wasn't crying.
651
00:34:37,581 --> 00:34:40,261
I told him to get dressed again.
652
00:34:41,421 --> 00:34:44,701
And then I was panicking like anything.
653
00:34:45,701 --> 00:34:48,381
How did you strangle him?
654
00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:49,301
I just
655
00:34:51,341 --> 00:34:55,501
put the tie around his
neck and just tightened it.
656
00:34:57,461 --> 00:35:00,141
He just sort of convulsed a bit,
657
00:35:01,061 --> 00:35:04,741
sort of gasping for air
and I just carried on,
658
00:35:04,821 --> 00:35:07,821
and suddenly, he went lifeless.
659
00:35:10,221 --> 00:35:14,421
So, in the end, when
you've got him in this room,
660
00:35:14,501 --> 00:35:17,941
and he's admitting to the murder of Roy,
661
00:35:18,021 --> 00:35:19,781
how does he at that stage ...
662
00:35:19,861 --> 00:35:24,181
Does he feel relief, or does
he think, "I've been caught"?
663
00:35:24,261 --> 00:35:25,941
My personal view is that,
664
00:35:26,021 --> 00:35:27,501
at this stage of the interview,
665
00:35:27,581 --> 00:35:31,781
Brian is really quite happy
to offload all of this guilt
666
00:35:31,861 --> 00:35:34,141
and the frustration and the burden
667
00:35:34,221 --> 00:35:35,901
that he's been carrying for a long time.
668
00:35:35,981 --> 00:35:36,901
Don't get me wrong.
669
00:35:36,981 --> 00:35:39,501
Brian is a predatory sex offender.
670
00:35:39,581 --> 00:35:41,621
I've done several other
interviews with Brian Field
671
00:35:41,701 --> 00:35:43,181
since this time,
672
00:35:43,261 --> 00:35:45,101
most recently in the last couple of years,
673
00:35:45,181 --> 00:35:46,061
I've I've interviewed him.
674
00:35:46,141 --> 00:35:46,901
So-
675
00:35:46,981 --> 00:35:48,461
May I ask, why
were you interviewing him
676
00:35:48,541 --> 00:35:49,541
in the last couple of years?
677
00:35:49,621 --> 00:35:53,661
I interviewed him
for West Midlands Police
678
00:35:53,741 --> 00:35:54,901
about other offences.
679
00:35:54,981 --> 00:35:58,021
I'm presuming you asked him
about the milk carton kids.
680
00:35:58,101 --> 00:36:00,261
There was some tantalising little
681
00:36:00,341 --> 00:36:02,781
bits of information that he gave up.
682
00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:07,181
He never admitted that
he abducted those boys,
683
00:36:07,541 --> 00:36:09,301
but I think we got to the stage that ...
684
00:36:09,381 --> 00:36:10,701
Certainly, the West Midlands Police
685
00:36:10,781 --> 00:36:13,141
got to the stage where they could put him,
686
00:36:13,221 --> 00:36:16,141
the night in question, in the vicinity
687
00:36:16,221 --> 00:36:19,541
of where the two boys went missing,
688
00:36:19,621 --> 00:36:21,541
and that he'd been drinking that night,
689
00:36:21,621 --> 00:36:23,741
and he was in a white van.
690
00:36:23,821 --> 00:36:26,141
I don't believe in coincidences.
691
00:36:26,221 --> 00:36:27,741
You've got a man who's
got a previous conviction
692
00:36:27,821 --> 00:36:30,701
for abducting children,
abducted two children together.
693
00:36:30,781 --> 00:36:34,461
He's in the vicinity of
where two boys go missing.
694
00:36:34,541 --> 00:36:38,381
Ultimately, for me, that
makes him a very good suspect
695
00:36:38,461 --> 00:36:39,461
for the boys.
696
00:36:39,541 --> 00:36:41,861
The abduction of
the two boys in Birmingham
697
00:36:41,941 --> 00:36:44,621
fits his MO perfectly.
698
00:36:44,701 --> 00:36:47,261
In my view, I've never seen a suspect
699
00:36:47,341 --> 00:36:50,581
that is better for the
abduction of those two boys
700
00:36:50,661 --> 00:36:52,301
than Brian Field.
701
00:37:05,341 --> 00:37:07,741
I was so surprised
by what Graham Hill
702
00:37:07,821 --> 00:37:08,821
has told me.
703
00:37:08,901 --> 00:37:09,661
What?
704
00:37:09,741 --> 00:37:10,941
In the last two years,
705
00:37:11,021 --> 00:37:13,741
he's been asked by the
West Midlands Police
706
00:37:13,821 --> 00:37:16,541
to interview Brian Field in relation
707
00:37:16,621 --> 00:37:18,541
to David and Patrick going missing.
708
00:37:18,621 --> 00:37:21,061
Does that mean that they've
found something new, then?
709
00:37:21,141 --> 00:37:22,461
Or it might just simply be
710
00:37:22,541 --> 00:37:24,141
that Field's now in his 80s,
711
00:37:24,221 --> 00:37:26,221
and they're worried
that he won't be with us
712
00:37:26,301 --> 00:37:27,941
for very much longer.
713
00:37:28,021 --> 00:37:31,461
But more importantly, Graham told me
714
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:36,061
that Field had revealed to him
some tantalising information
715
00:37:36,141 --> 00:37:38,141
that he wasn't prepared to go into,
716
00:37:38,221 --> 00:37:40,421
because it's an active investigation.
717
00:37:40,501 --> 00:37:41,261
Right.
718
00:37:41,341 --> 00:37:42,981
But Graham is convinced
719
00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:46,221
that this is the prime suspect
720
00:37:46,301 --> 00:37:48,901
for the disappearance
of David and Patrick.
721
00:37:48,981 --> 00:37:50,781
But then, why haven't
the West Midlands Police
722
00:37:50,861 --> 00:37:54,061
charged Field with the
disappearance of Patrick and David?
723
00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:58,661
I have no idea,
except Field is in prison.
724
00:37:58,741 --> 00:38:00,501
He's never going to be released.
725
00:38:00,581 --> 00:38:01,461
So he's low risk.
726
00:38:01,541 --> 00:38:04,621
Just because he's low risk,
and therefore low priority,
727
00:38:04,701 --> 00:38:06,941
where does that leave
David and Patrick's family?
728
00:38:07,021 --> 00:38:08,261
I totally get that,
729
00:38:08,341 --> 00:38:11,581
but we can try and do some geo-profiling
730
00:38:11,661 --> 00:38:14,021
to find out what the
families have said they want,
731
00:38:14,101 --> 00:38:16,181
which is where are the boys' bodies.
732
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:17,661
Wait, geo-profiling, it's-
733
00:38:17,741 --> 00:38:20,101
So, geo-profiling
is a scientific way
734
00:38:20,181 --> 00:38:23,821
of trying to predict where
an offender might live,
735
00:38:23,901 --> 00:38:26,901
but we can turn that
on its head to predict
736
00:38:26,981 --> 00:38:30,181
where an offender might've
disposed of bodies.
737
00:38:30,261 --> 00:38:31,941
But the police
have already done searches
738
00:38:32,021 --> 00:38:34,221
for the boys' bodies, and
they've never found anything.
739
00:38:34,301 --> 00:38:39,901
But they've never
commissioned any geo-profiling.
740
00:38:39,981 --> 00:38:44,861
And I happen to know the
country's leading profiler.
741
00:38:46,421 --> 00:38:48,101
What we're really interested in here
742
00:38:48,181 --> 00:38:50,701
is the journey from abduction
743
00:38:50,781 --> 00:38:53,781
to where David and Patrick ended up.
744
00:38:55,141 --> 00:38:58,821
What we're trying to do
is establish a search area
745
00:38:58,901 --> 00:39:02,261
of where we might find the boys' bodies.
746
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:06,581
Offenders, like us,
are creatures of habit.
747
00:39:06,661 --> 00:39:09,141
Field is no different.
748
00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:12,301
We find a range of about
10 kilometres coming up
749
00:39:12,381 --> 00:39:14,861
time and time again, between his home
750
00:39:14,941 --> 00:39:18,461
and where he has committed his crimes.
751
00:39:18,541 --> 00:39:19,301
So what we need to do
752
00:39:19,381 --> 00:39:21,821
is take that 10 kilometres and use it
753
00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:25,661
as the radius of a circle
centred on the location
754
00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:28,861
where we know David and
Patrick were last seen,
755
00:39:28,941 --> 00:39:32,621
which is the Shell
garage in Chelmsley Wood.
756
00:39:34,501 --> 00:39:37,901
What we're trying to do is
establish what happened next,
757
00:39:37,981 --> 00:39:40,741
after the boys got in that car.
758
00:39:41,501 --> 00:39:44,541
We know that offenders tend to be drawn
759
00:39:44,621 --> 00:39:49,141
to committing their crimes in
areas they're familiar with.
760
00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:52,221
So, Field in a car with the two boys,
761
00:39:52,301 --> 00:39:55,941
he's going to want to get back
into a familiar environment.
762
00:39:56,021 --> 00:39:59,581
So, my hypothesis is that
Field would have gone
763
00:39:59,661 --> 00:40:02,341
towards the South, into this area.
764
00:40:02,421 --> 00:40:05,781
All of these locations relate to something
765
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:07,861
about his lifestyle.
766
00:40:08,501 --> 00:40:12,141
Places where Field lived, where he drunk.
767
00:40:12,221 --> 00:40:14,821
He did odd gardening jobs.
768
00:40:14,901 --> 00:40:16,861
And what I'd be looking for here
769
00:40:16,941 --> 00:40:19,061
is locations that were suitable,
770
00:40:19,141 --> 00:40:23,861
that offered the accessibility
and the familiarity
771
00:40:23,941 --> 00:40:27,261
and the privacy to afford Field the time
772
00:40:28,901 --> 00:40:32,301
to successfully commit this crime,
773
00:40:32,381 --> 00:40:35,461
and then dispose of the boys' bodies.
774
00:40:37,501 --> 00:40:41,421
One area strikes me as
particularly interesting;
775
00:40:41,501 --> 00:40:43,701
the area of JB's golf club,
776
00:40:43,781 --> 00:40:47,461
which is now a football ground, I believe.
777
00:40:47,541 --> 00:40:50,781
So if we can zoom in on JB's, the area,
778
00:40:52,341 --> 00:40:56,621
JB's was a location in the
'90s, around the right time,
779
00:40:56,701 --> 00:40:59,461
where Field worked, had a gardening job.
780
00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:01,861
He lived in a caravan on the site.
781
00:41:01,941 --> 00:41:03,301
And what we can see is that
782
00:41:03,381 --> 00:41:05,661
we've got a lot of green open space
783
00:41:05,741 --> 00:41:07,541
and with the right local knowledge,
784
00:41:07,621 --> 00:41:11,741
there are probably multiple
suitable locations here.
785
00:41:11,821 --> 00:41:12,581
And Sam,
786
00:41:12,661 --> 00:41:17,101
where do you think we'll
find David and Patrick?
787
00:41:17,181 --> 00:41:21,221
So we know that we can
never put an X on a map
788
00:41:21,301 --> 00:41:24,061
and say, "That's where you
need to start digging,"
789
00:41:24,141 --> 00:41:24,901
for example.
790
00:41:24,981 --> 00:41:26,701
But what this has done
is taken a search area
791
00:41:26,781 --> 00:41:29,701
of a radius of 10
kilometres down to actually
792
00:41:29,781 --> 00:41:31,941
a reasonably small area.
793
00:41:32,021 --> 00:41:34,581
And what I suggest that you both do now
794
00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:37,341
is go in and immerse
yourself in this environment
795
00:41:37,421 --> 00:41:40,061
and experience this as he would have done,
796
00:41:40,141 --> 00:41:43,421
through his eyes, back in those days.
797
00:41:48,541 --> 00:41:50,101
Let's put a narrative together,
798
00:41:50,181 --> 00:41:52,381
with all the information that we've got
799
00:41:52,461 --> 00:41:54,141
since we've been here.
800
00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:56,661
Graham Hill told
us the police have evidence
801
00:41:56,741 --> 00:42:00,381
that places Brian Field
close to where the boys
802
00:42:00,461 --> 00:42:03,061
were last seen on that night,
803
00:42:03,141 --> 00:42:05,861
and that he was in a white van.
804
00:42:05,941 --> 00:42:08,741
We've got some answer, in terms
of why there's no struggle
805
00:42:08,821 --> 00:42:10,461
on that particular night.
806
00:42:10,541 --> 00:42:13,421
There's a witness that
said Field knew the boys,
807
00:42:13,501 --> 00:42:14,781
the boys knew Field.
808
00:42:14,861 --> 00:42:16,621
Now that's quite crucial, isn't it?
809
00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:20,541
Because when he rocks up in
his car on Boxing Day night,
810
00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:24,101
that he's somebody that's
familiar to them, isn't he?
811
00:42:24,181 --> 00:42:27,341
So they would have got into
his van, possibly willingly,
812
00:42:27,421 --> 00:42:30,661
and then he could take
them where he wanted.
813
00:42:37,141 --> 00:42:38,261
And then the key question
814
00:42:38,341 --> 00:42:41,061
was always, thereafter and remains,
815
00:42:41,141 --> 00:42:42,981
well, what happened?
816
00:42:43,061 --> 00:42:47,501
Where does he go after he
gets the boys into his van?
817
00:42:52,421 --> 00:42:54,981
How's he going to cope with
the two boys in the car though?
818
00:42:55,061 --> 00:42:57,301
That's what we've now
got to concentrate on.
819
00:42:57,381 --> 00:43:00,781
How does he manage to subdue both boys,
820
00:43:00,861 --> 00:43:03,021
when they realise something isn't right?
821
00:43:03,101 --> 00:43:08,101
Previously, he's tried to do
things to boys in his car.
822
00:43:08,221 --> 00:43:11,141
The Oswestry boys, they
were hitching a lift,
823
00:43:11,221 --> 00:43:15,501
and then he threatens them
once they're in the car.
824
00:43:18,541 --> 00:43:21,741
I think they were about 12, 13.
825
00:43:21,821 --> 00:43:24,301
I didn't actually attack
them, because I was driving.
826
00:43:24,381 --> 00:43:25,901
I told them to get undressed.
827
00:43:25,981 --> 00:43:28,021
I told them to get undressed,
828
00:43:28,101 --> 00:43:29,261
because I was going to take them ...
829
00:43:29,341 --> 00:43:32,501
I had a friend's farm up in the hills.
830
00:43:34,301 --> 00:43:35,341
And I was going to ...
831
00:43:35,421 --> 00:43:39,421
I don't know what I was
going to do with them.
832
00:43:55,501 --> 00:43:58,621
Geo-profiling tells
us Field would have travelled
833
00:43:58,701 --> 00:44:02,541
with David and Patrick
from Chelmsley Wood South
834
00:44:02,621 --> 00:44:06,461
towards here, Solihull,
which is where he lived
835
00:44:06,541 --> 00:44:09,021
and felt comfortable.
836
00:44:09,101 --> 00:44:11,181
Well, we're in the search area,
837
00:44:11,261 --> 00:44:14,701
close to JB's, where Sam pinpointed.
838
00:44:15,141 --> 00:44:17,541
Geo-profiling gets you so far,
839
00:44:17,621 --> 00:44:20,661
but until you're in the actual spaces
840
00:44:20,741 --> 00:44:23,221
that those maps reveal,
841
00:44:23,301 --> 00:44:25,901
a whole new picture emerges.
842
00:44:25,981 --> 00:44:28,421
Suddenly it becomes real.
843
00:44:29,581 --> 00:44:30,741
You really get a sense that
844
00:44:30,821 --> 00:44:33,821
this is the kind of place
that would have given Field
845
00:44:33,901 --> 00:44:36,221
the cover and isolation he needed
846
00:44:36,301 --> 00:44:41,141
to do what he was going to
do with Patrick and David.
847
00:44:41,221 --> 00:44:42,381
The long and the short of it is
848
00:44:42,461 --> 00:44:46,461
that we can't today say the body is there.
849
00:44:46,541 --> 00:44:48,301
The bodies are there.
850
00:44:48,381 --> 00:44:50,501
This place, for me, really needs
851
00:44:50,581 --> 00:44:52,701
to be appropriately searched,
852
00:44:52,781 --> 00:44:54,501
and we should give all of our information,
853
00:44:54,581 --> 00:44:55,621
both to the families-
854
00:44:55,701 --> 00:44:56,461
And the police.
855
00:44:56,541 --> 00:44:58,941
And the police.
856
00:44:59,021 --> 00:45:00,781
Tragedy.
857
00:45:00,861 --> 00:45:04,261
It's a tragedy for Patrick
and David's family.
858
00:45:04,341 --> 00:45:05,901
It's a tragedy for the Billingtons,
859
00:45:05,981 --> 00:45:09,421
and all the other families involved.
860
00:45:14,221 --> 00:45:17,421
We know Brian
Field murdered Roy Tutill.
861
00:45:17,501 --> 00:45:19,781
If he's ever brought to justice
862
00:45:19,861 --> 00:45:22,421
for the murders of David and Patrick,
863
00:45:22,501 --> 00:45:27,501
and if he's found guilty of
Mark Billington's murder,
864
00:45:27,541 --> 00:45:31,741
that's multiple victims
over a long period of time.
865
00:45:31,821 --> 00:45:35,261
I feel, as I'm standing here,
866
00:45:38,461 --> 00:45:40,541
we could be uncovering
867
00:45:41,861 --> 00:45:45,541
one of the worst serial
killers of children
868
00:45:45,621 --> 00:45:48,461
this country has ever known.