1 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:09,041 Cestnik: This wasn't a random event. 2 00:00:09,142 --> 00:00:11,844 This was a targeted assassination, 3 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:15,080 narrator: A family man gunned down in his own home. 4 00:00:15,181 --> 00:00:16,882 There was a large amount of blood. 5 00:00:16,983 --> 00:00:17,916 [ Gunshots blasting ] 6 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:21,453 Numerous bullet wounds to his torso and head. 7 00:00:21,554 --> 00:00:25,057 He was probably dead before he hit the floor. 8 00:00:25,158 --> 00:00:28,894 Narrator: A laundry list of suspects with motive for murder. 9 00:00:28,995 --> 00:00:31,363 I was concerned about her description of the shooter 10 00:00:31,464 --> 00:00:34,666 being very cliche-ish, almost like a TV movie. 11 00:00:34,768 --> 00:00:37,069 He's a con man. He goes by different names. 12 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:40,005 So red flags are popping up all over the place. 13 00:00:40,106 --> 00:00:43,308 Arntfield: Risky business deals with shady operators. 14 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:47,279 He inevitably got himself, in plain English, in over his head. 15 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:49,515 Narrator: The truth will be revealed. 16 00:00:49,616 --> 00:00:52,551 What this came down to was greed. 17 00:00:52,652 --> 00:00:53,886 Every one of them was convinced 18 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:56,522 that these two were somehow involved. 19 00:00:56,623 --> 00:00:58,991 Burbridge: I've been a homicide detective for a long time, 20 00:00:59,092 --> 00:01:01,360 and often times, you just try to find the lie. 21 00:01:02,395 --> 00:01:03,962 Narrator: Every day in North America, 22 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,665 dozens of people are murdered. 23 00:01:06,766 --> 00:01:09,168 The key to solving the toughest of these homicides 24 00:01:09,269 --> 00:01:13,272 lies in the final 24 hours of the victim's life. 25 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:14,673 To crack the case, 26 00:01:14,774 --> 00:01:18,444 detectives must reconstruct that critical timeline, 27 00:01:18,545 --> 00:01:21,113 the minutes and hours containing evidence 28 00:01:21,214 --> 00:01:23,248 that can help unlock the mystery 29 00:01:23,349 --> 00:01:24,716 and catch the killer. 30 00:01:24,818 --> 00:01:32,818 ♪♪ 31 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:35,961 Spokane, Washington, 32 00:01:36,062 --> 00:01:38,030 an idyllic town nestled in 33 00:01:38,131 --> 00:01:40,732 the lush green mountains of the pacific northwest. 34 00:01:42,202 --> 00:01:45,637 Burbridge: Spokane is a city of approximately 300,000 people. 35 00:01:45,738 --> 00:01:49,441 It's surrounded by mountains and farm country, uh, 36 00:01:49,542 --> 00:01:51,110 beautiful, with a river running 37 00:01:51,211 --> 00:01:52,911 right through the middle of town. 38 00:01:53,012 --> 00:01:56,548 It is a great place to raise a family and make a life. 39 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,485 Cestnik: We don't have a lot of crime. 40 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:03,055 We aren't like the big cities where we're 41 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:04,790 going out on homicides every night. 42 00:02:06,559 --> 00:02:08,694 Narrator: But on a quiet December night, 43 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:12,064 the piece of this town is shattered by gunshots. 44 00:02:21,174 --> 00:02:22,774 At 7:03 P.M., 45 00:02:22,876 --> 00:02:25,811 Elberta Carlile called 911, reporting that 46 00:02:25,912 --> 00:02:28,947 someone had just shot her husband, Doug. 47 00:02:29,048 --> 00:02:31,150 Elberta, when she called in, 48 00:02:31,251 --> 00:02:33,218 it was right after she made it to a closet, 49 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:35,254 locked herself in, and was hiding, 50 00:02:35,355 --> 00:02:38,223 um, and she called immediately, she had her phone with her, 51 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:40,692 so we knew that this had happened 52 00:02:40,793 --> 00:02:42,561 within a minute or two of the call. 53 00:02:44,731 --> 00:02:46,265 Burbridge: Officers arrived on scene. 54 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:51,503 Medics came in and immediately began working on him. 55 00:02:51,604 --> 00:02:55,941 They pronounced him dead at 7:18 in the evening. 56 00:02:58,311 --> 00:03:00,078 Narrator: The victim is Doug Carlile, 57 00:03:00,213 --> 00:03:03,048 a 63-year-old businessman, 58 00:03:03,149 --> 00:03:05,884 devoted husband, and father of six. 59 00:03:05,985 --> 00:03:08,587 Douglas, he was -- He was a family man. 60 00:03:08,688 --> 00:03:13,525 He had been married to his wife, Elberta, for 42 years. 61 00:03:13,626 --> 00:03:14,993 This was the love of her life. 62 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:17,930 She knew everything that he did. 63 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:19,798 They were always together. 64 00:03:19,899 --> 00:03:23,569 I got the impression that this had broken her. 65 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:28,273 They had grown children, very religious family, 66 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,142 from all outward appearances, 67 00:03:30,243 --> 00:03:31,510 a completely normal person. 68 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:34,580 He wasn't criminal, he wasn't causing trouble. 69 00:03:34,681 --> 00:03:36,081 Burbridge: He'd had his own 70 00:03:36,182 --> 00:03:38,584 excavation business in Washington, 71 00:03:38,685 --> 00:03:40,052 had expanded that business to 72 00:03:40,153 --> 00:03:42,487 include the oil trucking business 73 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:46,858 and was attempting to get into the oil drilling business. 74 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,761 Narrator: Within minutes of the 911 call, 75 00:03:49,862 --> 00:03:51,797 homicide detectives are on the scene. 76 00:03:53,466 --> 00:03:55,200 Burbridge: It was a very affluent neighborhood, 77 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:57,869 and this was one of the larger houses in the neighborhood. 78 00:03:57,971 --> 00:04:01,006 I was surprised when I was told the address of where 79 00:04:01,107 --> 00:04:02,341 the homicide had occurred, 80 00:04:02,442 --> 00:04:05,444 because typically, we might go 20 or 30 years about having 81 00:04:05,545 --> 00:04:09,081 a homicide in those type of neighborhoods in Spokane. 82 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:11,116 Narrator: Tasked with investigating the murder 83 00:04:11,217 --> 00:04:14,453 of Doug Carlile are veteran homicide detectives 84 00:04:14,554 --> 00:04:17,122 Mark Burbridge and Brian Cestnik. 85 00:04:18,491 --> 00:04:20,092 When I first entered the home, 86 00:04:20,193 --> 00:04:22,861 there was Christmas stuff all over. 87 00:04:22,962 --> 00:04:24,263 There was actually Christmas music 88 00:04:24,364 --> 00:04:26,531 playing over the stereo 89 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:30,702 the entire time I was processing the crime scene, 90 00:04:30,803 --> 00:04:32,537 so it was decorated, and they were 91 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:33,872 obviously ready for the holidays. 92 00:04:35,742 --> 00:04:38,143 The deceased Mr. Carlile was lying on his back, 93 00:04:38,244 --> 00:04:40,946 his arms out to the side. 94 00:04:41,047 --> 00:04:44,549 One round had gone in his mouth. 95 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:48,754 Doug had numerous bullet wounds to his torso and head. 96 00:04:48,855 --> 00:04:52,024 Cestnik: There was a large amount of blood. 97 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:53,392 It was obvious that 98 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:56,561 the wounds had been fatal almost immediately. 99 00:04:56,663 --> 00:04:59,731 He was probably dead before he hit the floor. 100 00:05:02,035 --> 00:05:04,369 Narrator: Detectives begin processing the crime scene, 101 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,571 looking for clues. 102 00:05:06,673 --> 00:05:09,107 Cestnik: Initially, there wasn't a lot of evidence. 103 00:05:10,443 --> 00:05:13,078 I found seven shell casings. 104 00:05:13,179 --> 00:05:15,580 Douglas Carlile was shot seven times. 105 00:05:15,682 --> 00:05:17,482 He was hit seven times. 106 00:05:17,583 --> 00:05:19,251 Five of the bullets exited him, 107 00:05:19,352 --> 00:05:21,853 so I found five bullets in the house. 108 00:05:21,954 --> 00:05:23,755 Two more were recovered at the autopsy. 109 00:05:25,124 --> 00:05:27,926 Burbridge: A 45-caliber handgun had been fired 110 00:05:28,027 --> 00:05:32,164 at Mr. Carlile. The subject had emptied the handgun. 111 00:05:32,265 --> 00:05:34,032 He had almost no chance to survive 112 00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:35,634 those wounds for any period of time. 113 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:39,671 This was a directed attack, and they fired 114 00:05:39,772 --> 00:05:41,006 to make sure he was dead. 115 00:05:43,209 --> 00:05:44,810 Narrator: To track down the killer, 116 00:05:44,911 --> 00:05:48,180 detectives must now focus on the last 24 hours 117 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:50,248 of Doug Carlile's life, 118 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:54,252 beginning with the moment he arrived home at 6:55 P.M. 119 00:05:56,055 --> 00:05:58,357 Elberta told me that she and Doug had gone to church 120 00:05:58,458 --> 00:05:59,491 that evening 121 00:05:59,592 --> 00:06:02,327 and had just arrived home from church. 122 00:06:02,428 --> 00:06:04,830 She removed their hidden key, 123 00:06:04,931 --> 00:06:06,798 which she used to enter the house. 124 00:06:08,534 --> 00:06:10,602 She put the key back in position, 125 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:13,305 walked through the kitchen to a short hallway, 126 00:06:13,406 --> 00:06:15,006 which leads to the upstairs. 127 00:06:16,342 --> 00:06:19,811 She was just getting to the second floor 128 00:06:19,912 --> 00:06:22,114 when she heard voices downstairs. 129 00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:26,551 She heard two males talking in the kitchen, 130 00:06:26,652 --> 00:06:27,986 and she knew one of them was Doug, 131 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:30,122 and she just assumed that one of them was one of 132 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,324 her four sons. 133 00:06:32,425 --> 00:06:34,693 And so she came back downstairs to see who was at the house. 134 00:06:36,329 --> 00:06:39,331 She came to the bottom of the stairs and stepped to 135 00:06:39,432 --> 00:06:41,066 the entryway to the kitchen, 136 00:06:41,167 --> 00:06:43,268 and she could see Doug to her left, 137 00:06:43,369 --> 00:06:45,270 standing there with his hands in front of him, 138 00:06:45,371 --> 00:06:47,773 telling somebody, "you don't have to do this." 139 00:06:47,874 --> 00:06:49,508 She looked to her right, 140 00:06:49,609 --> 00:06:53,078 and near the kitchen table was 141 00:06:53,179 --> 00:06:56,415 what she described as a large male dressed all in black, 142 00:06:56,516 --> 00:07:00,819 with a black stocking mask on with a hole in it. 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,388 She could see the subject's eyes and nose and part 144 00:07:03,489 --> 00:07:06,992 of their mouth and that they were holding a large handgun. 145 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:10,495 Elberta said that they also had something on their chest 146 00:07:10,596 --> 00:07:14,666 and back, like a backpack or a shoulder holster. 147 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:16,368 And then she turned around and started running. 148 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:20,405 As she was running up the stairs, she heard a lot 149 00:07:20,506 --> 00:07:22,107 of gunshots -- She didn't know the number. 150 00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:24,276 [ Gunshots blasting ] 151 00:07:24,377 --> 00:07:25,911 And that she ran upstairs and hid in 152 00:07:26,012 --> 00:07:28,580 one of the closets on the second floor. 153 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:31,216 Elberta had her cellphone with her 154 00:07:31,317 --> 00:07:34,853 and called 911 from a closet she was hiding in 155 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:36,755 and directed police to their location. 156 00:07:38,357 --> 00:07:40,992 Narrator: Detectives must first entertain the theory 157 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:44,729 that Doug's murder could have been a burglary gone wrong. 158 00:07:44,831 --> 00:07:46,064 I examined all the doors, 159 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:48,099 all the windows, took photographs. 160 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:51,603 There was a spare key to the house that Elberta 161 00:07:51,704 --> 00:07:53,238 talked about -- I found that. 162 00:07:53,339 --> 00:07:55,574 It was still in the same location it had been, 163 00:07:55,675 --> 00:07:58,477 so there's nothing to indicate that anyone had broken into 164 00:07:58,578 --> 00:08:00,278 the house at all. 165 00:08:00,379 --> 00:08:03,081 I could find no sign that anything had been 166 00:08:03,182 --> 00:08:04,916 stolen or disturbed in the residence. 167 00:08:06,219 --> 00:08:09,421 Douglas Carlile still had his wallet, he had cash on him, 168 00:08:09,522 --> 00:08:10,856 so it wasn't a robbery. 169 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:16,094 I contacted a k-9 officer, 170 00:08:16,195 --> 00:08:19,731 and he showed me the path that his dog had tracked. 171 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:21,733 Basically, it showed that the suspect had fled 172 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:23,435 the back door of the residence, 173 00:08:23,536 --> 00:08:25,403 through some shrubs, over a small fence, 174 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:27,706 and through the neighbor's backyard. 175 00:08:27,807 --> 00:08:30,442 It was cool out but not frozen. 176 00:08:30,543 --> 00:08:33,345 There was some water in the neighbor's backyard, 177 00:08:33,446 --> 00:08:35,280 and you could see footprints in the mud. 178 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:40,752 Just beyond the neighbor's backyard was a field, 179 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:43,088 where we located a glove. 180 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:47,092 It was a tan-colored welding glove. 181 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:50,562 Normally, that wouldn't be a big deal, but there was 182 00:08:50,663 --> 00:08:53,999 some dew on the ground, and leaves had fallen, 183 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:55,901 and this appeared to be sitting on top of everything 184 00:08:56,002 --> 00:08:57,502 and was dry. 185 00:08:57,603 --> 00:08:59,871 So right away we thought this may have been 186 00:08:59,972 --> 00:09:02,841 dropped by our suspect as he fled the scene. 187 00:09:02,942 --> 00:09:04,376 It was strange enough that there was 188 00:09:04,477 --> 00:09:06,044 no way we're gonna leave it. 189 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:07,379 Burbridge: At a minimum, 190 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,415 I was hoping to get a DNA sample from the glove that went 191 00:09:10,516 --> 00:09:11,783 to the shooter or someone that 192 00:09:11,884 --> 00:09:14,419 was at the scene who has been arrested before, 193 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,221 so that I can identify them by name. 194 00:09:16,322 --> 00:09:17,722 [ Dog barking ] 195 00:09:17,823 --> 00:09:21,426 Our k-9 was able to track the suspect past a school. 196 00:09:21,527 --> 00:09:24,129 We were later able to get the video from the external 197 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:25,130 cameras on that school, 198 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:27,399 and we could see a grainy, 199 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,136 uh, figure running down the street just a minute or so 200 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:32,537 after the shooting, and leading off 201 00:09:32,638 --> 00:09:35,540 into the darkness toward the hidden trail. 202 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:39,277 This camera was not a low-light camera, 203 00:09:39,378 --> 00:09:43,014 and so the footage just shows a grainy image of 204 00:09:43,115 --> 00:09:44,082 this individual running by. 205 00:09:44,183 --> 00:09:46,484 You can't identify him or tell race in any way. 206 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,089 After looking at the getaway route, taking into account 207 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:52,824 the hedges, the hidden gate, 208 00:09:52,925 --> 00:09:54,426 and the kind of hidden trail that 209 00:09:54,527 --> 00:09:57,095 the shooter took to get away from the scene, 210 00:09:57,196 --> 00:09:59,364 I told detective Cestnik that I believed this was 211 00:09:59,465 --> 00:10:02,567 a directed attack specifically targeting Doug Carlile, 212 00:10:02,668 --> 00:10:04,069 and I was very concerned. 213 00:10:05,871 --> 00:10:08,440 Cestnik: This wasn't a random event. 214 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:10,942 This was a targeted assassination. 215 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:14,713 Narrator: Detectives now consider whether this 216 00:10:14,814 --> 00:10:16,481 could have been an inside job. 217 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:20,218 Family members or people you know 218 00:10:20,319 --> 00:10:24,089 kill you more often than a random, unknown person. 219 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:27,158 And so I had to eliminate the family first. 220 00:10:27,259 --> 00:10:29,494 Cestnik: When you have a murder, the first person you're gonna 221 00:10:29,595 --> 00:10:31,496 look at is the spouse, 222 00:10:31,597 --> 00:10:34,466 and in this case, we had a spouse who was not only at 223 00:10:34,567 --> 00:10:38,203 the murder scene but claimed to have seen the suspect. 224 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:40,372 But the suspect didn't go after her. 225 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,941 So that drew a lot of red flags for me. 226 00:10:43,042 --> 00:10:45,210 I was thinking, is this someone who's trying to pull 227 00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:50,015 something over my eyes, or is she really the loving wife? 228 00:10:50,116 --> 00:10:52,851 Burbridge: Elberta provided a fairly detailed description 229 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:54,219 of the shooter's clothing 230 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,756 and the mask and some kind of gear that they had on 231 00:10:57,857 --> 00:10:59,924 their chest and back. 232 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:02,427 I was concerned about her description of the shooter 233 00:11:02,528 --> 00:11:05,997 being very cliche-ish, almost like a TV movie, 234 00:11:06,098 --> 00:11:09,734 and it concerned me that it was being made up. 235 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:12,070 Arntfield: A story that is too detailed 236 00:11:12,171 --> 00:11:14,806 is inherently suspicious. 237 00:11:14,907 --> 00:11:17,642 Even if she didn't pull the trigger herself, 238 00:11:17,743 --> 00:11:21,279 could she have either hired or convinced someone to do 239 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:22,947 her dirty work for her? 240 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:32,090 ♪♪ 241 00:11:32,191 --> 00:11:34,726 Narrator: In the brutal murder of 63-year-old business 242 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:37,462 and family man, Doug Carlile, 243 00:11:37,563 --> 00:11:40,198 suspicion is swirling around his wife, Elberta. 244 00:11:41,667 --> 00:11:44,636 Burbridge: My first interview with Elberta Carlile occurred 245 00:11:44,737 --> 00:11:45,970 at approximately 8:30 246 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:48,673 in the evening to nine o'clock in the evening. 247 00:11:48,774 --> 00:11:50,909 The shooting had occurred around 6:30. 248 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,614 Elberta Carlile -- 249 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,150 She is different. 250 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:01,352 Um... 251 00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:03,888 I don't mean that in a bad way. 252 00:12:03,989 --> 00:12:06,624 I mean, that when you're talking with her, 253 00:12:08,327 --> 00:12:11,229 there's a lot of religion that comes out. 254 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:13,998 She would occasionally break down crying, 255 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,535 and she'd want to pray and things like that. 256 00:12:17,636 --> 00:12:20,772 She's very emotional, um, 257 00:12:20,873 --> 00:12:23,942 and that comes across like she's faking it. 258 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:32,183 So Elberta's reaction in her interview to revert to prayer 259 00:12:32,284 --> 00:12:34,185 and sort of these soliloquies 260 00:12:34,286 --> 00:12:37,088 and speaking to herself and to god 261 00:12:37,189 --> 00:12:40,391 is obviously suspicious and piques the curiosity 262 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:42,026 of investigators. 263 00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:43,862 This could mean one of two things -- 264 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:46,097 This is a stress response where she's seeking 265 00:12:46,198 --> 00:12:47,665 some kind of solace through prayer, 266 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:50,368 or it's a convenient 267 00:12:50,469 --> 00:12:52,470 tactic of avoidance and deflection. 268 00:12:53,739 --> 00:12:55,173 Burbridge: As a homicide detective, 269 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:57,075 I've interviewed a lot of people 270 00:12:57,176 --> 00:13:00,745 who have had loved ones die from a murder. 271 00:13:00,846 --> 00:13:04,082 I've seen the whole gamut of emotion from that from 272 00:13:04,183 --> 00:13:06,751 very stoic, almost non-emotion 273 00:13:06,852 --> 00:13:09,988 to hysterical crying. 274 00:13:10,089 --> 00:13:12,023 I try not to read a lot into that, 275 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:14,759 but some of the things that Elberta said and some of 276 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:16,728 her actions concerned me greatly. 277 00:13:19,198 --> 00:13:20,031 She didn't care about us 278 00:13:20,132 --> 00:13:22,967 processing the scene or getting evidence. 279 00:13:23,068 --> 00:13:24,369 Saying goodbye to Doug was more important 280 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:25,703 to her than us catching the killer. 281 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:30,341 Narrator: Detectives question potential motives that Elberta 282 00:13:30,442 --> 00:13:32,443 would have to want her husband dead. 283 00:13:34,713 --> 00:13:37,715 She began talking about their finances and that 284 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,885 a lot of what I had seen was just for show. 285 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:44,255 Um, they didn't have $40 in the bank. 286 00:13:44,356 --> 00:13:46,224 They didn't have any life insurance. 287 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:48,059 They didn't have medical insurance. 288 00:13:49,795 --> 00:13:51,529 I had had a chance to go through his phone. 289 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:54,365 There wasn't another woman on the side. 290 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:56,734 She didn't have anyone on the side. 291 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,270 Basically, every text message and call was, 292 00:13:59,371 --> 00:14:02,106 "I love you," back and forth between them. 293 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:03,508 And so once I ruled out that there 294 00:14:03,609 --> 00:14:06,644 was a financial incentive for her to be involved, 295 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:09,914 um, I really believed her when she talked about how 296 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:12,083 in love they were and how things were going between them. 297 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,720 Narrator: Still grasping for a lead, 298 00:14:15,821 --> 00:14:19,023 detectives press Elberta to recall any details about 299 00:14:19,124 --> 00:14:23,094 the day of the murder that stand out as unusual. 300 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,964 Elberta started telling me that she thought she had 301 00:14:26,065 --> 00:14:29,467 seen a van earlier in the night up in the neighborhood. 302 00:14:29,568 --> 00:14:32,337 Cestnik: One of the neighbors had called 911 a short time 303 00:14:32,438 --> 00:14:33,771 before the shooting, 304 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:36,574 talking about a suspicious white van. 305 00:14:36,675 --> 00:14:38,309 About 5:45 in the afternoon, 306 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:41,813 she had come home and noticed a white van parked in front of 307 00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:43,548 her house. 308 00:14:43,649 --> 00:14:46,050 It was in front of her driveway, and she immediately 309 00:14:46,151 --> 00:14:47,185 became concerned, 310 00:14:47,286 --> 00:14:49,587 thinking maybe someone had broken into her house. 311 00:14:49,688 --> 00:14:51,222 So instead of pulling into her home, 312 00:14:51,323 --> 00:14:53,925 she had driven around the block and noticed someone 313 00:14:54,026 --> 00:14:56,294 sitting in the driver's seat of the van. 314 00:14:56,395 --> 00:14:59,297 When this person noticed her watching, they drove off. 315 00:15:02,935 --> 00:15:04,769 A short time later, she looked out her window, 316 00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:06,070 and the van was back again, 317 00:15:06,171 --> 00:15:09,140 parked in front of her house, so she called 911 to report 318 00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:10,541 a suspicious vehicle. 319 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:13,811 Narrator: Was the mysterious white van 320 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,980 connected to Doug's murder? 321 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:17,649 Looking for answers, 322 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,318 police canvass the Carliles' neighborhood. 323 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:23,121 Burbridge: One of the homes had an external video system, 324 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:25,857 and we actually had videotape footage of this 325 00:15:25,958 --> 00:15:29,093 suspicious van, about two hours prior to the murder, 326 00:15:29,194 --> 00:15:30,695 driving through the neighborhood slowly. 327 00:15:32,431 --> 00:15:34,332 The van was unique in several ways 328 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:37,702 in that it was an aftermarket extended van, 329 00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:42,273 and one of my detectives spent almost two weeks trying to 330 00:15:42,374 --> 00:15:45,777 identify specifically the make and model of that van, and in 331 00:15:45,878 --> 00:15:50,281 the state of Washington, we can run an all-vehicles request, 332 00:15:50,382 --> 00:15:53,217 and so we requested all the vehicles in Spokane county 333 00:15:53,319 --> 00:15:54,752 and surrounding counties that 334 00:15:54,853 --> 00:15:58,323 matched that van, and we came up with a list of 75. 335 00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:01,059 Narrator: Though detectives believe they may have images of 336 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,361 what could have been the getaway vehicle, 337 00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:06,898 they're no closer to knowing the identity of the killer. 338 00:16:06,999 --> 00:16:09,734 While I was talking with Elberta, 339 00:16:09,835 --> 00:16:11,736 obviously the big question in my mind 340 00:16:11,837 --> 00:16:15,173 is who would want your husband dead? 341 00:16:15,274 --> 00:16:19,077 And I asked her point blank, who are possible suspects? 342 00:16:19,178 --> 00:16:20,345 "You've seen the person who shot him." 343 00:16:20,446 --> 00:16:23,214 Who else could be involved in this? 344 00:16:23,315 --> 00:16:24,382 And the only name that 345 00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:26,150 she ever mentioned was James Henrikson. 346 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:31,689 Elberta told me that Doug was very afraid of James, who was 347 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:33,458 one of his business partners, 348 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,526 and that he had told her that if something happens to me, 349 00:16:35,627 --> 00:16:37,195 James did it. 350 00:16:37,296 --> 00:16:39,130 Narrator: An investor and project developer 351 00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:41,265 in the burgeoning oil sector, 352 00:16:41,367 --> 00:16:44,569 Doug Carlile had partnered with James Henrikson in 353 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:47,805 a venture to extract oil in north Dakota. 354 00:16:47,906 --> 00:16:50,508 James was a businessman in north Dakota. 355 00:16:50,609 --> 00:16:53,544 He owned a trucking company hauling water and oil out on 356 00:16:53,645 --> 00:16:55,313 the oil leases of north Dakota. 357 00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:58,416 Cestnik: There is a lot of similarities 358 00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:00,451 between James and Doug. 359 00:17:00,552 --> 00:17:03,654 They both liked people to believe that they were rich. 360 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:07,959 They both drove nice vehicles, had nice houses, 361 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:09,293 liked to show it off, 362 00:17:09,395 --> 00:17:12,430 liked to pretend that they had a lot of money, 363 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,133 and the fact is, neither of them did. 364 00:17:15,234 --> 00:17:17,769 Both were living well beyond their means. 365 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:22,473 Narrator: Detectives reach out to the Carlile children, 366 00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:24,976 hoping they can shed more light on the relationship 367 00:17:25,077 --> 00:17:27,545 between Doug and James. 368 00:17:27,646 --> 00:17:29,847 Every one of them was convinced that James was 369 00:17:29,948 --> 00:17:32,583 somehow involved in this murder, 370 00:17:32,684 --> 00:17:35,453 and that it had to do with the fact that their dad 371 00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:37,188 and James Henrikson were not 372 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:40,825 getting along, and their business was going south. 373 00:17:40,926 --> 00:17:43,594 Narrator: Doug's eldest son reveals that 374 00:17:43,695 --> 00:17:45,730 the animosity between Doug and James 375 00:17:45,831 --> 00:17:49,434 had reached a fever pitch in the days prior to his murder. 376 00:17:50,769 --> 00:17:54,272 Doug and James Henrikson got into a verbal argument 377 00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:57,975 about the finances of the company. 378 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,245 James Henrikson was demanding his investment back. 379 00:18:01,346 --> 00:18:04,348 It was a significant sum of money, over $400,000 380 00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:06,017 they were arguing about, 381 00:18:06,118 --> 00:18:09,087 and Doug Carlile was refusing to pay him back that money. 382 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:13,224 He was concerned enough for their father's well being that 383 00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:15,226 they gave him a handgun 384 00:18:15,327 --> 00:18:18,930 that belonged to them so he could carry it for his safety. 385 00:18:20,566 --> 00:18:24,035 It is not uncommon for people that are potentially going to 386 00:18:24,136 --> 00:18:27,705 lose large sums of money based on either fraud, 387 00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:31,476 theft, or just bad business, to resort to murder, 388 00:18:31,577 --> 00:18:35,146 either to recover their money or just to get even or pay 389 00:18:35,247 --> 00:18:37,014 the person back for costing them their money. 390 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:42,453 In my experience, I've seen people kill people over $50, 391 00:18:42,554 --> 00:18:44,322 so hundreds of thousands of dollars 392 00:18:44,423 --> 00:18:46,023 is certainly something 393 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:47,925 that someone might kill somebody over. 394 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:51,496 [ Gunshots blasting ] 395 00:18:51,597 --> 00:18:54,198 As the cliche goes, follow the money. 396 00:19:00,005 --> 00:19:04,442 ♪♪ 397 00:19:04,543 --> 00:19:06,177 Narrator: Detectives are zeroing in on 398 00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:09,947 a new suspect in the murder of family man Doug Carlile -- 399 00:19:10,048 --> 00:19:13,284 His business partner, James Henrikson. 400 00:19:13,385 --> 00:19:15,753 Cestnik: So early on, every family member is 401 00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:18,656 saying James Henrikson is involved in this. 402 00:19:18,757 --> 00:19:21,492 I just started Googling James Henrikson, 403 00:19:21,593 --> 00:19:23,394 and one of the first things that popped up was 404 00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:25,563 this rip-off report. 405 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,332 He's a con man, he goes by different names, 406 00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,735 so red flags are popping up all over the place. 407 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:33,604 And so, yeah, with his criminal history and everything 408 00:19:33,705 --> 00:19:35,106 that we knew about James at that point, 409 00:19:35,207 --> 00:19:37,141 that's when we decided we've gotta try and talk to him. 410 00:19:39,444 --> 00:19:43,681 I needed to find out his relationship with Doug Carlile 411 00:19:43,782 --> 00:19:45,550 and to see if anything that the Carlile 412 00:19:45,651 --> 00:19:48,052 family members had told me was potentially true. 413 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,524 On the night of Doug's murder, 414 00:19:53,625 --> 00:19:56,127 I -- after I had completed interviewing Elberta 415 00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:57,728 and her sons, 416 00:19:57,829 --> 00:19:59,864 they had provided to me contact information 417 00:19:59,965 --> 00:20:01,332 for James Henrikson to include 418 00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:03,668 his address and cellphone number. 419 00:20:03,769 --> 00:20:07,205 I contacted police radio and arranged for them to ping 420 00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:09,874 James Henrikson's cellphone so I could 421 00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:12,610 locate where that cellphone was prior to me 422 00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:15,179 trying to contact him. 423 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,515 After about 20 minutes, I received a phone call from 424 00:20:17,616 --> 00:20:19,250 police radio who told me 425 00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:22,687 that that phone was being identified as being back in 426 00:20:22,788 --> 00:20:25,623 Watford, north Dakota. 427 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:28,859 I contacted James Henrikson at home and spoke to him on 428 00:20:28,961 --> 00:20:30,528 the phone. 429 00:20:30,629 --> 00:20:32,897 I identified who I was and told him I was calling 430 00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:35,566 because Doug Carlile had been murdered. 431 00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:38,736 James Henrikson told me he was aware that Doug 432 00:20:38,837 --> 00:20:42,540 had been murdered, because he had received texts from several 433 00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:45,443 people that he and Doug had in common as friends 434 00:20:45,544 --> 00:20:48,279 who were telling him that Doug had been murdered. 435 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:51,616 He denied having anything to do with the murder. 436 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:56,287 Burbridge: James Henrikson was guarded in his disclosures 437 00:20:56,388 --> 00:20:59,357 of information to me about Doug Carlile. 438 00:20:59,458 --> 00:21:02,293 I was asking him about how his business was doing, 439 00:21:02,394 --> 00:21:06,897 and he became angry and denied that there were any problems 440 00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:11,769 between he and Doug Carlile and said it was Doug Carlile 441 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:14,805 who lied to people and didn't pay his bills. 442 00:21:16,742 --> 00:21:19,577 I've been a homicide detective for a long time, 443 00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:21,279 and often times, you just try to find 444 00:21:21,346 --> 00:21:25,283 the lie that helps lead you down the correct path. 445 00:21:25,384 --> 00:21:27,585 And in this case, I either had the Carlile family 446 00:21:27,686 --> 00:21:29,620 that was lying, or I had James Henrikson that was lying, 447 00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,022 and now I had to find evidence 448 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,824 to bolster which side was telling the truth. 449 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,896 While I was speaking with James on the phone, 450 00:21:38,997 --> 00:21:42,466 I wasn't comfortable that he was actually in north Dakota. 451 00:21:42,567 --> 00:21:44,502 In this day and age, with cellphones, 452 00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:45,970 you can forward another cellphone 453 00:21:46,071 --> 00:21:48,873 to another cellphone or to a hard line 454 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:52,443 at some residence, so he could have been in Spokane, 455 00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:53,811 talking to me on a phone that 456 00:21:53,912 --> 00:21:57,315 was actually pinging off of a cell tower in north Dakota, 457 00:21:57,416 --> 00:21:59,050 and I wouldn't know that. 458 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:03,888 Cellphones are a really interesting investigative tool. 459 00:22:03,989 --> 00:22:07,391 The use of tower pings can essentially leave a trail 460 00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:09,226 of breadcrumbs confirming where a person 461 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,430 has been or has gone -- At the same time, 462 00:22:12,531 --> 00:22:16,267 a very calculating suspect could put a phone in a car, 463 00:22:16,368 --> 00:22:19,937 leave a phone on a subway, or send their phone with somebody 464 00:22:20,038 --> 00:22:21,739 else in order to lead investigators 465 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,908 into a completely different area. 466 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:28,879 In essence, a phone could be used to fabricate an alibi. 467 00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:33,117 Burbridge: I later completed search warrants to get 468 00:22:33,218 --> 00:22:36,487 complete phone information from his phone, 469 00:22:36,588 --> 00:22:39,490 because if you get the actual background information, it will 470 00:22:39,591 --> 00:22:41,892 show whether that phone was being forwarded or not 471 00:22:41,993 --> 00:22:44,295 or the actual physical location of that phone, 472 00:22:44,396 --> 00:22:47,498 and I was able to determine that it was not forwarded and was 473 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,100 actually in north Dakota, 474 00:22:49,201 --> 00:22:50,935 1,000 miles away from Doug's murder. 475 00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:54,538 That told me that he was not the murderer. 476 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:58,709 At that point, we didn't have any concrete evidence. 477 00:22:58,810 --> 00:23:01,045 We didn't have anything linking him to the scene. 478 00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:05,316 Narrator: Unable to put James at the crime scene, 479 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:08,052 detectives ask him who might be angry enough 480 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:09,920 to want Doug dead. 481 00:23:10,021 --> 00:23:13,624 He told me that over the years, Doug and 482 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:16,260 his contracting business had 483 00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:19,096 been sued a lot of times and had done a lot of shady deals, 484 00:23:19,197 --> 00:23:21,098 and there might be a lot of people that were mad at him 485 00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:22,600 that might be willing to hurt him. 486 00:23:24,369 --> 00:23:28,272 Cestnik: Mr. Carlile had 31 liens against him, 487 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:29,940 so there were a lot of people that were upset with him 488 00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:32,276 and that would have a reason, um, 489 00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:34,278 to murder him. 490 00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:37,681 Narrator: Detectives dig deeper into Doug's business dealings 491 00:23:37,783 --> 00:23:41,986 and discover a desperate man hell bent on success. 492 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:45,589 Burbridge: Doug borrowed $150,000 from his son, Shane. 493 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:49,994 Doug was promising investors 100% return on their money in 494 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:51,829 90 days or -- or six months, 495 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:55,266 depending on who the investor was, which was ridiculous. 496 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,602 Cestnik: Every dime that he had had been invested in 497 00:23:58,703 --> 00:24:01,972 the business, and they were not bringing any money in. 498 00:24:04,409 --> 00:24:09,213 The business was hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. 499 00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:14,051 There were IOUs outstanding. 500 00:24:14,152 --> 00:24:15,753 They'd taken loans from people 501 00:24:15,854 --> 00:24:19,223 up to $400,000 and promised repayment. 502 00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:20,491 Those had come past due, 503 00:24:20,592 --> 00:24:24,161 so people were upset and wanting their money back. 504 00:24:24,262 --> 00:24:26,030 He was in dire financial straits. 505 00:24:27,866 --> 00:24:31,368 He had contacted a middleman in the middle east 506 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:34,772 who was reportedly involved in finding investors 507 00:24:34,873 --> 00:24:37,007 for oil companies. 508 00:24:37,108 --> 00:24:42,480 This individual charged Mr. Carlile $90,000 for 509 00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:45,883 the right to apply for an investment loan. 510 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:48,586 This was pure fraud, and this individual was -- 511 00:24:48,687 --> 00:24:52,189 Had no intent of conducting any true business 512 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:53,891 with Mr. Carlile, so Mr. Carlile 513 00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:56,727 lost everybody's money again 514 00:24:56,828 --> 00:24:59,763 and didn't further this business. 515 00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:03,434 Arntfield: Risky business deals with shady operators -- 516 00:25:03,535 --> 00:25:06,937 Doug got himself, in plain English, in over his head. 517 00:25:07,038 --> 00:25:08,939 Burbridge: I was going to have to expand the pool of 518 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,575 possible suspects to everybody that was involved in lawsuits 519 00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:12,676 against him. 520 00:25:14,045 --> 00:25:16,380 Arntfield: That leaves a very long list 521 00:25:16,481 --> 00:25:18,682 of potential suspects with very viable motives. 522 00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:22,920 Money is more than just dollars and cents. 523 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:27,258 Money has a high degree of emotional attachment for people. 524 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,594 It's tied to everything from self esteem to status 525 00:25:30,695 --> 00:25:34,198 to identity, and when you begin tampering with that, 526 00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:37,234 people will, not surprisingly, respond emotionally, 527 00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:39,103 including through murder. 528 00:25:43,942 --> 00:25:48,078 ♪♪ 529 00:25:48,179 --> 00:25:50,247 Narrator: In the face of so many suspects 530 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:53,217 with the motive to want Doug Carlile dead, 531 00:25:53,318 --> 00:25:56,921 detectives reach out to the media looking for new leads. 532 00:25:57,022 --> 00:25:59,456 Burbridge: I had put out a request in the media 533 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,325 for persons that knew Doug Carlile 534 00:26:01,426 --> 00:26:03,661 or James Henrikson to contact us if they'd had 535 00:26:03,762 --> 00:26:05,763 business dealings with them. 536 00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:08,699 Out of the blue, about a week after Doug's murder, 537 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,769 an individual by the name of Robert Delao 538 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:14,672 contacted me at the police station 539 00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:16,340 and said that he'd had business dealings with 540 00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:18,809 both James Henrikson and Doug Carlile 541 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:20,444 and was willing to speak with me. 542 00:26:22,714 --> 00:26:27,084 Cestnik: Robert Delao is a very smooth-talking guy, 543 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:29,320 but he's a gang member. 544 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,355 He'd been involved in a murder. 545 00:26:31,456 --> 00:26:34,825 He is involved in large quantities of drugs, 546 00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:38,529 and he'd been to prisons numerous times. 547 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:40,464 He denied having anything to do with the murder. 548 00:26:40,565 --> 00:26:43,400 He denied that James had anything to do with the murder, 549 00:26:43,501 --> 00:26:46,937 but he felt that he needed to come in and let us know 550 00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,072 his relationship. 551 00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:52,843 Narrator: Suspicious of Delao's motive for coming forward, 552 00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:55,346 investigators question him about his whereabouts 553 00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:57,848 when Doug Carlile was killed. 554 00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:00,150 Cestnik: He told us he was in north Dakota at the time of 555 00:27:00,251 --> 00:27:03,821 the murder -- we checked phone records, we checked GPS records, 556 00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:06,857 and we confirmed he was in north Dakota, 557 00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:08,759 which is what his girlfriend told us. 558 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:12,062 Mr. Delao was insistent 559 00:27:12,163 --> 00:27:13,464 he knew nothing about the murders, 560 00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:16,200 and, in fact, he took a polygraph the next day. 561 00:27:16,334 --> 00:27:19,436 And Mr. Delao passed that polygraph. 562 00:27:19,537 --> 00:27:22,773 Narrator: Despite Delao's alibi and polygraph, 563 00:27:22,874 --> 00:27:25,376 something just doesn't sit right with detectives. 564 00:27:26,711 --> 00:27:29,246 I thought it was very odd that Mr. Delao came forward 565 00:27:29,347 --> 00:27:31,782 just to provide information that he knew Doug Carlile 566 00:27:31,883 --> 00:27:32,950 or James Henrikson. 567 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,855 Psychologically speaking, I think there may be a number of 568 00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:39,323 reasons why somebody would want to 569 00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:42,192 insert themselves into an investigation. One reason 570 00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:44,762 might be, I want to get close to the investigation. 571 00:27:44,863 --> 00:27:45,896 I want to control it. 572 00:27:45,997 --> 00:27:47,431 I want to know what's going on. 573 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:50,801 We often see them show up, for instance, 574 00:27:50,902 --> 00:27:54,171 in volunteer search parties where a body hasn't been found, 575 00:27:54,272 --> 00:27:55,706 and they want to keep abreast 576 00:27:55,807 --> 00:27:59,543 of what's going on so that they can stay a step or two ahead. 577 00:27:59,644 --> 00:28:01,979 Stockdale: Also times, you know, people, when they have 578 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,682 a criminal history are sometimes impulsive. 579 00:28:04,783 --> 00:28:06,817 They don't necessarily have the best judgment, 580 00:28:06,918 --> 00:28:08,786 and sometimes they make decisions that are 581 00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:09,853 ill-advisable. 582 00:28:09,954 --> 00:28:11,522 Sometimes they do this 'cause they're arrogant. 583 00:28:13,458 --> 00:28:15,926 Burbridge: After Mr. Delao left my interview room, 584 00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,062 I began working on a search warrant to include 585 00:28:18,163 --> 00:28:21,799 his cellphone, who they had been calling and texting, 586 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,635 try to create some kind of a connection 587 00:28:24,736 --> 00:28:27,471 between Mr. Delao, Mr. Henrikson, 588 00:28:27,572 --> 00:28:29,440 and anybody that might be involved in this murder. 589 00:28:32,911 --> 00:28:35,646 Narrator: Investigators then make a shocking discovery, 590 00:28:35,747 --> 00:28:38,315 that James Henrikson shared a similar 591 00:28:38,416 --> 00:28:41,385 criminal past with Robert Delao. 592 00:28:41,486 --> 00:28:44,254 Cestnik: Robert Delao was James Henrikson's right-hand man. 593 00:28:44,355 --> 00:28:49,226 Um, they had worked out in the same gym together, and then 594 00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:51,295 a couple months later ended up in jail together, 595 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:52,796 ended up being cell mates. 596 00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:55,499 Um, while sitting in jail, 597 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,369 Henrikson told Robert Delao about his business ventures 598 00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:02,873 and his dreams of striking it rich 599 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:05,576 in north Dakota and told him, "when you get out of jail, 600 00:29:05,677 --> 00:29:07,244 get a hold of me, I got a job for you." 601 00:29:08,947 --> 00:29:10,781 Narrator: But what was that job? 602 00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:14,518 Looking for answers, investigators do a deep dive 603 00:29:14,619 --> 00:29:18,288 into James Henrikson's partnership with Doug Carlile. 604 00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:20,657 They discover the business was in desperate need 605 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,860 of a bailout from an angel investor. 606 00:29:24,729 --> 00:29:27,998 Doug had developed this dream of being an oilman 607 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:29,566 and owning an oil lease 608 00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:32,469 and oil Wells without really understanding the full 609 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,205 financial impact of what that meant. 610 00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:37,174 And he was trying to find partners 611 00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:41,345 to buy this oil lease for $2.1 million. 612 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,714 Doug did not have that kind of money. 613 00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,550 Narrator: Luckily, Doug and James 614 00:29:46,651 --> 00:29:49,052 knew a contractor named Larry Tormozov 615 00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:50,721 with connections to big money. 616 00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:54,591 Burbridge: Mr. Tormozov was personal friends with 617 00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:56,426 a gentleman in Moses lake 618 00:29:56,528 --> 00:29:59,263 who was involved in the contracting business 619 00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:00,964 and who was very wealthy. 620 00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:05,736 Mr. Tormozov was then contacted by James Henrikson, 621 00:30:05,837 --> 00:30:08,005 where they discussed the possibility of this wealthy 622 00:30:08,106 --> 00:30:11,642 individual becoming involved in the oil lease. 623 00:30:11,743 --> 00:30:15,479 James Henrikson stood to make a lot of money if they could 624 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:18,048 move the oil lease and the drilling of 625 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:21,385 the well forward, and they were desperately running out of time 626 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:24,221 to make that happen, or they were gonna lose everything. 627 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,424 And so he needed this wealthy individual to help fund 628 00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:28,992 this project. 629 00:30:29,093 --> 00:30:32,029 Narrator: There was just one problem. 630 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:35,032 Mr. Tormozov said that he told James Henrikson, 631 00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:37,601 under no uncertain terms would this person get involved as 632 00:30:37,702 --> 00:30:39,369 long as Doug Carlile was involved 633 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:41,438 because of his previous dealings with him. 634 00:30:42,941 --> 00:30:44,608 Mr. Tormozov told me that this made 635 00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:46,844 James Henrikson very angry. 636 00:30:48,913 --> 00:30:51,548 Narrator: Turns out the only thing standing between 637 00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:55,552 James Henrikson and millions of dollars is Doug Carlile. 638 00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:58,455 Money is always a motivation for murder. 639 00:30:58,556 --> 00:31:00,557 I mean, when the stakes get higher, 640 00:31:00,658 --> 00:31:03,126 sometimes the danger factor increases. 641 00:31:05,063 --> 00:31:07,364 Money, they say, is the root of all evil. 642 00:31:07,465 --> 00:31:09,433 That may be a bit of an overstatement, 643 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:13,270 but is it a common denominator in a majority of murders? 644 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:15,072 Unfortunately, yes. 645 00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:19,009 When you have a trail of bad debts and damaged 646 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,410 business relationships, 647 00:31:20,511 --> 00:31:22,746 greed is going to push to the top 648 00:31:22,847 --> 00:31:24,281 in Doug's case. 649 00:31:25,483 --> 00:31:27,317 Narrator: What investigators learn next 650 00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:28,986 cracks the case wide open. 651 00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:34,625 Doug found an investor who lived in Texas who had 652 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:37,694 a lot of money who was willing to invest in this land. 653 00:31:37,795 --> 00:31:38,762 He'd done the research. 654 00:31:38,863 --> 00:31:40,931 He knew that there was a lot of money in it. 655 00:31:41,032 --> 00:31:43,600 Doug had convinced this person that really they didn't 656 00:31:43,701 --> 00:31:45,302 need James, but he needed to be bought out, 657 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:49,406 because they were partners, and he had agreed to do that. 658 00:31:49,507 --> 00:31:52,209 They were set to meet the following day in order to 659 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:54,177 work out the finances to buy James out 660 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,848 and to actually begin working on drilling oil Wells. 661 00:31:57,949 --> 00:32:00,684 Narrator: Turns out Doug was murdered just days 662 00:32:00,785 --> 00:32:04,021 before he was set to cut James out of the business. 663 00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:06,423 If James had caught wind of the plan, 664 00:32:06,524 --> 00:32:08,859 he'd have even more motive to want Doug dead. 665 00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:12,396 We're trying to piece everything together. 666 00:32:12,497 --> 00:32:14,197 Delao had been in north Dakota since 667 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:15,899 at least Thanksgiving. 668 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,068 He hadn't been back to Spokane. 669 00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:21,805 We knew Henrikson had been in north Dakota, consistently, 670 00:32:21,906 --> 00:32:23,073 even longer than that. 671 00:32:23,174 --> 00:32:26,410 Neither of them had been to town recently, 672 00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:29,146 which, again, creates issues when these are 673 00:32:29,247 --> 00:32:30,480 your two suspects, 674 00:32:30,581 --> 00:32:33,583 and you know that they haven't been anywhere near the murder. 675 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:36,119 Narrator: Police finally get a breakthrough when DNA is 676 00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:38,722 pulled from the glove found at the crime scene. 677 00:32:40,525 --> 00:32:42,726 25 days after the murder, 678 00:32:42,827 --> 00:32:45,896 I received a phone call from the state patrol crime lab 679 00:32:45,997 --> 00:32:48,298 and was told that they had a hit 680 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,500 to an individual by the name of Tim Suckow. 681 00:32:52,537 --> 00:32:54,538 When we first hear the name Timothy Suckow, 682 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,975 I got very excited, but it was -- 683 00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:00,610 It was hampered a little bit by we'd never heard that name 684 00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:04,181 before, and it came off a glove that I found in a field. 685 00:33:04,282 --> 00:33:05,949 What if it's just a coincidence? 686 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:07,951 What if Timothy Suckow is the next door neighbor? 687 00:33:08,052 --> 00:33:10,754 We didn't know who it was at that point. 688 00:33:10,855 --> 00:33:13,657 I immediately began researching Timothy Suckow 689 00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:15,425 and found that he was a multi-time 690 00:33:15,526 --> 00:33:17,594 convicted felon of violent crimes -- 691 00:33:17,695 --> 00:33:21,098 First-degree robberies, gun crimes, 692 00:33:21,199 --> 00:33:22,599 and that he lived in the Spokane area. 693 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:26,436 I started looking for Timothy Suckow's 694 00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:30,474 connection to anybody associated with Doug Carlile, 695 00:33:30,575 --> 00:33:31,908 because he didn't know Doug 696 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,677 and didn't have a motive for killing him. 697 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:38,281 Narrator: Knowing there's a small crime world in Spokane, 698 00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:41,284 detectives start piecing together a potential conspiracy 699 00:33:41,419 --> 00:33:42,352 to commit murder. 700 00:33:44,455 --> 00:33:46,757 Could Timothy Suckow have been hired to kill 701 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:47,858 Doug Carlile? 702 00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:54,498 Burbridge: Robert Delao was also a true bad guy in Spokane. 703 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:55,665 He comes across as very 704 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:59,102 gregarious and friendly, but he's dangerous, 705 00:33:59,203 --> 00:34:00,804 and... 706 00:34:00,905 --> 00:34:03,440 I wondered his contacts in Spokane, 707 00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:05,975 did they have something to do with Doug's murder? 708 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,944 And what was his real involvement with 709 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,047 James Henrikson? 710 00:34:10,114 --> 00:34:12,883 I believed we had a true hitman case. 711 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:23,627 ♪♪ 712 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:25,562 Narrator: Investigators now theorize 713 00:34:25,663 --> 00:34:27,264 James Henrikson masterminded 714 00:34:27,365 --> 00:34:29,933 the murder of Doug Carlile by hiring 715 00:34:30,034 --> 00:34:33,303 Robert Delao to contract out the job to local criminal, 716 00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:34,471 Timothy Suckow. 717 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:38,675 Murder-for-hire schemes are, fortunately, fairly rare. 718 00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:42,145 Most people act impulsively and do their own dirty work. 719 00:34:42,246 --> 00:34:44,981 Whoever's concocted this murderous scheme simply doesn't 720 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:45,949 want to get their hands dirty 721 00:34:46,050 --> 00:34:49,219 or wants to leave themselves an alibi. 722 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,555 So you're essentially looking for an absolute stranger 723 00:34:51,656 --> 00:34:54,558 who committed the murder for some kind of payoff. 724 00:34:56,027 --> 00:34:58,829 The key to finding them, in that case, is to find 725 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:01,798 the person who did have the motive and, ideally, 726 00:35:01,899 --> 00:35:03,066 linking them to the killer. 727 00:35:05,369 --> 00:35:06,870 Cestnik: So the first thing we do is try 728 00:35:06,971 --> 00:35:08,939 and connect Timothy Suckow to James Henrikson 729 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,276 and Robert Delao, but he doesn't connect to any of them. 730 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:16,613 Narrator: Detectives place Timothy Suckow 731 00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:19,216 on 24-hour undercover surveillance. 732 00:35:20,885 --> 00:35:23,220 Cestnik: We begin following Timothy Suckow around, 733 00:35:23,321 --> 00:35:26,289 trying to find out everything we can about him. 734 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:27,457 We find out that he works for 735 00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:30,293 an asbestos removal company in the Spokane valley. 736 00:35:30,394 --> 00:35:32,963 As we start looking at the company, we see some vans 737 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,198 parked out front -- one of them, 738 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:37,767 which looks exactly like the van that had been described 739 00:35:37,869 --> 00:35:39,035 to us at the crime scene. 740 00:35:41,105 --> 00:35:46,143 I checked our list of 75 vehicles that we received from 741 00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:47,677 the state of Washington as 742 00:35:47,778 --> 00:35:49,746 potential owners of those suspect vehicles, 743 00:35:49,847 --> 00:35:52,549 and that asbestos removal company was listed as an owner 744 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:55,152 of one of those matching vans. 745 00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:58,788 I had undercover detectives go out and view that van, 746 00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:02,292 and that van had some very unique identifying marks on it, 747 00:36:02,393 --> 00:36:05,462 which exactly matched the van at the crime scene. 748 00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:08,698 I was very certain that this was 749 00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:11,835 the vehicle used in the murder of Doug Carlile. 750 00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:14,304 Narrator: While the evidence connecting Timothy Suckow 751 00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:16,406 to the crime scene is strong, 752 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:20,177 it's not enough to charge him with Doug Carlile's murder. 753 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:23,146 We began diving into cellphone records. 754 00:36:23,247 --> 00:36:25,415 We began looking at towers. 755 00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:27,651 Timothy Suckow had left his cellphone 756 00:36:27,752 --> 00:36:29,286 at home because he didn't want to be tracked. 757 00:36:29,387 --> 00:36:31,755 He knew a little bit about how police worked. 758 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:35,492 His driver got bored and turned his phone back on 759 00:36:35,593 --> 00:36:38,161 and was playing on the phone while he was waiting, 760 00:36:38,262 --> 00:36:40,897 so we were able to place the van and the driver 761 00:36:40,998 --> 00:36:44,134 at the scene for about two hours beforehand. 762 00:36:44,268 --> 00:36:46,736 Narrator: With the evidence now stacked against him, 763 00:36:46,837 --> 00:36:49,172 Timothy Suckow is arrested for the murder of 764 00:36:49,273 --> 00:36:51,107 Doug Carlile. 765 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,643 Not only do we have 766 00:36:53,744 --> 00:36:56,346 DNA linking this person there, 767 00:36:56,447 --> 00:36:59,115 we find no other reason for him to be in that area. 768 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,786 And now we have our van that was used as the getaway van. 769 00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:05,322 So we start putting everything together, and we bring him in. 770 00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:12,362 On the night I arrested Mr. Suckow, he was in denial, 771 00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:13,630 refused to speak with me, 772 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:16,533 and, in fact, he fell asleep on the interview room table. 773 00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:20,470 Back in basic homicide school, 774 00:37:20,571 --> 00:37:23,740 you learn that when someone's done a serious crime, 775 00:37:23,841 --> 00:37:25,475 they're constantly looking over their shoulder. 776 00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:27,677 They have trouble sleeping, they're waiting for the police 777 00:37:27,778 --> 00:37:29,713 to show up, knocking at their door. 778 00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:32,582 So when you arrest someone, and you tell him they're under 779 00:37:32,683 --> 00:37:35,852 arrest and you know they did it, all that pressure is off now, 780 00:37:35,953 --> 00:37:39,189 and it's not uncommon for suspects to fall asleep. 781 00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:44,394 And so we knew we had our guy. 782 00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:46,529 I got a search warrant to access Tim's phone, 783 00:37:46,631 --> 00:37:50,467 and in that phone was James Henrikson's name. 784 00:37:50,568 --> 00:37:52,402 It says "James north Dakota," 785 00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:54,904 and it was James's phone number attached to it. 786 00:37:55,006 --> 00:37:58,708 So at that point, I knew that, at least in some way, 787 00:37:58,809 --> 00:38:01,611 Tim Suckow knew James Henrikson directly. 788 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:05,949 About an hour after the murder, 789 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:09,953 Timothy Suckow sent a text message to Robert Delao saying, 790 00:38:10,054 --> 00:38:12,455 "tell the boss to watch the news." 791 00:38:12,556 --> 00:38:15,358 This was obviously letting Henrikson know 792 00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:18,595 that he had carried out the murder. 793 00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:20,397 At this point in the investigation, 794 00:38:20,498 --> 00:38:22,632 I've got an overwhelming amount of evidence that's 795 00:38:22,733 --> 00:38:24,901 pointing toward Mr. Delao and Mr. Henrikson's 796 00:38:25,002 --> 00:38:26,803 involvement in Mr. Carlile's murder. 797 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,408 Narrator: Detectives haul Robert Delao into the station 798 00:38:31,509 --> 00:38:32,509 for questioning. 799 00:38:34,412 --> 00:38:36,346 Burbridge: I told Mr. Delao, "you know the game, 800 00:38:36,447 --> 00:38:38,648 first to the table gets the best deal." 801 00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:40,717 And he was trying to beat Mr. Suckow 802 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:43,853 to the table to provide information. 803 00:38:43,954 --> 00:38:46,856 Ultimately, Delao admitted to brokering 804 00:38:46,957 --> 00:38:49,759 the murder of Doug Carlile for James Henrikson. 805 00:38:51,128 --> 00:38:53,330 Narrator: With the confession that James Henrikson was 806 00:38:53,431 --> 00:38:56,366 responsible for the hit on Doug Carlile, 807 00:38:56,467 --> 00:39:00,770 detectives are able to piece together his final 24 hours. 808 00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:03,006 Cestnik: Timothy Suckow had been up at the house for 809 00:39:03,107 --> 00:39:06,343 a couple hours, waiting for the Carliles to return home. 810 00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:09,579 They'd been at a church function 811 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,781 that began at about five o'clock. 812 00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:14,084 They drove home, parked their car 813 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,152 probably about 6:55 in the evening. 814 00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:20,623 Burbridge: They entered the residence. 815 00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:22,125 Elberta's started up the stairs... 816 00:39:25,563 --> 00:39:27,430 ...when she heard voices in the house, 817 00:39:30,401 --> 00:39:32,769 so she came back downstairs to see who was there. 818 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,842 She actually saw the shooter 819 00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:40,610 and saw him with a gun. 820 00:39:43,647 --> 00:39:46,116 Cestnik: At 7:02, Timothy Suckow 821 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,518 shot Doug Carlile seven times... 822 00:39:48,652 --> 00:39:51,187 [ Gunshots blasting ] 823 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:52,255 ...and ran away. 824 00:39:58,262 --> 00:39:59,929 At 7:03 P.M., 825 00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:02,132 Elberta Carlile called 911, 826 00:40:03,501 --> 00:40:05,635 reporting that someone had just shot her husband. 827 00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:12,709 Medics pronounced Doug dead at 7:18 in the evening. 828 00:40:14,512 --> 00:40:17,847 Narrator: Timothy Suckow then disposed of the murder weapon. 829 00:40:17,948 --> 00:40:21,217 Timothy Suckow had driven out to the Spokane valley, 830 00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:24,320 out to a bridge, and tossed the murder weapon into the river. 831 00:40:27,358 --> 00:40:31,761 My biggest takeaway in this case is that Doug is not unlike 832 00:40:31,862 --> 00:40:35,498 a lot of investors who has this sort of modest demeanor 833 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:36,599 or veneer, 834 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:41,871 and he likes to take risks in financial games. 835 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:44,107 But when they begin losing money, 836 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,509 the stakes are even higher than I think 837 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:50,447 Doug and a lot of these people initially guessed. 838 00:40:50,548 --> 00:40:52,415 Narrator: Robert Delao pleads guilty 839 00:40:52,516 --> 00:40:54,384 to conspiracy and solicitation to 840 00:40:54,485 --> 00:40:58,788 commit murder and is sentenced to 22 years in prison. 841 00:40:58,889 --> 00:41:01,391 Mr. Delao's a sociopath who has 842 00:41:01,492 --> 00:41:03,393 no guilt feelings about anything he's done. 843 00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:07,997 Narrator: Timothy Suckow pleads guilty to murder 844 00:41:08,098 --> 00:41:11,034 and receives a sentence of 30 years. 845 00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:12,836 Burbridge: He's gonna be, like, 80 years old 846 00:41:12,937 --> 00:41:14,804 if he ever sees daylight again. 847 00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:16,473 So basically, it's a death sentence he got, 848 00:41:16,574 --> 00:41:19,209 so I think his sentence was fair, 849 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,878 provided the information he gave and the help 850 00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:23,279 he gave to the case to get 851 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:25,315 the actual person that I believe is responsible. 852 00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:27,283 [ Gavel pounds ] 853 00:41:27,384 --> 00:41:29,552 Narrator: James Henrikson is found guilty of murder 854 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:32,322 for hire and sentenced to life in prison. 855 00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:37,060 This was a case where we took down some real bad people. 856 00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:38,528 These -- these weren't people that just 857 00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:40,263 lost their temper and killed someone. 858 00:41:40,364 --> 00:41:43,032 These were preplanned murders. 859 00:41:44,401 --> 00:41:48,638 What this came down to was greed -- James saw 860 00:41:48,739 --> 00:41:50,974 a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, 861 00:41:51,075 --> 00:41:53,142 and he was willing to kill anyone 862 00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:55,144 who got between him and that money. 863 00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:57,914 And Doug Carlile was going to buy him out, 864 00:41:58,015 --> 00:41:59,182 and he wasn't gonna get that money, 865 00:41:59,283 --> 00:42:01,284 so he had him killed. 866 00:42:01,385 --> 00:42:03,319 It was all about money. It was all about greed. 867 00:42:04,922 --> 00:42:07,757 Burbridge: This case was the most complicated case 868 00:42:07,858 --> 00:42:08,992 that I've ever worked on. 869 00:42:10,961 --> 00:42:13,530 It meant a lot to the Carlile family that 870 00:42:13,631 --> 00:42:15,832 I was able to bring this case to resolution. 871 00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:18,535 I received phone calls from every son, from Elberta, 872 00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:19,636 thanking me. 873 00:42:21,338 --> 00:42:22,372 They're just good people who are 874 00:42:22,473 --> 00:42:25,341 appreciative that their dad got justice. 875 00:42:25,442 --> 00:42:28,244 Cestnik: Doug Carlile was a truly innocent victim 876 00:42:28,345 --> 00:42:31,848 in this case, and the people involved are sitting in prison 877 00:42:31,949 --> 00:42:33,016 where they deserve to be.