1 00:00:09,021 --> 00:00:11,021 - I received a call on a Saturday morning 2 00:00:11,021 --> 00:00:11,021 approximately 9 o'clock, 3 00:00:11,021 --> 00:00:14,021 of a lady that was missing. 4 00:00:14,021 --> 00:00:18,021 - One of the officers found droplets of blood. 5 00:00:18,021 --> 00:00:22,021 - A home invasion is just a little unheard of in this area. 6 00:00:22,021 --> 00:00:24,021 - LARRY: He'd told him that he would gladly give someone 7 00:00:24,021 --> 00:00:27,021 $70,000 to have his ex-wife disappear. 8 00:00:28,021 --> 00:00:30,021 - SGT. PEAK: There was a large pool of blood. 9 00:00:30,021 --> 00:00:33,021 Something very serious had happened to Pat Kimmi. 10 00:00:33,021 --> 00:00:34,021 - RITA: It was confusing. 11 00:00:34,021 --> 00:00:38,021 Did she go for a walk and something happened to her? 12 00:00:38,021 --> 00:00:40,021 - GERALD: We couldn't prove there was a homicide. 13 00:00:40,021 --> 00:00:41,021 There was no body. 14 00:00:41,021 --> 00:00:44,021 She pointed at the ground, there it was. 15 00:00:44,021 --> 00:00:45,021 - MALE NARRATOR: Five unique perspectives, 16 00:00:46,021 --> 00:00:49,021 five points of view, one murder. 17 00:00:49,021 --> 00:00:50,021 - RITA: I'm Pat Kimmi's daughter. 18 00:00:50,021 --> 00:00:52,021 - SGT. PEAK: I was the first responding officer-- 19 00:00:52,021 --> 00:00:54,021 - LARRY: I was the lead investigator on the case. 20 00:00:54,021 --> 00:00:55,021 - TONY: Patricia Kimmi was my mother. 21 00:00:55,021 --> 00:00:57,021 - GERALD: I was the Atchison County attorney. 22 00:00:57,021 --> 00:01:00,021 - ♪♪ 23 00:01:02,021 --> 00:01:06,021 - ♪ 24 00:01:06,021 --> 00:01:08,021 - RITA: I'm Rita Boller, and I'm Pat Kimmi's daughter. 25 00:01:13,021 --> 00:01:16,021 It was a Saturday morning, 26 00:01:16,021 --> 00:01:18,021 and I was at home with my family. 27 00:01:18,021 --> 00:01:21,021 Um, I actually had a doctor's appointment with my son, 28 00:01:21,021 --> 00:01:25,021 so we were kind of scurrying around trying to get ready 29 00:01:25,021 --> 00:01:27,021 when I had a phone call, 30 00:01:27,021 --> 00:01:30,021 and I saw on caller ID that it was Sharon Blakely, 31 00:01:30,021 --> 00:01:32,021 my mom's best friend. 32 00:01:33,021 --> 00:01:35,021 She said, "Your mom was supposed to go with me 33 00:01:35,021 --> 00:01:38,021 "to St. Joe today, but I haven't heard from her. 34 00:01:38,021 --> 00:01:40,021 "I think you just need to go check on her 35 00:01:40,021 --> 00:01:42,021 and make sure she's okay." 36 00:01:42,021 --> 00:01:44,021 So, I said that I would. 37 00:01:50,021 --> 00:01:53,021 It was a beautiful, sunny morning. 38 00:01:54,021 --> 00:01:55,021 As I pulled up to the house, 39 00:01:55,021 --> 00:02:00,021 the first thing I noticed is that her front door was open. 40 00:02:00,021 --> 00:02:02,021 There's a little plywood gate 41 00:02:02,021 --> 00:02:05,021 that usually was blocking the stairway 42 00:02:05,021 --> 00:02:07,021 for her little dog that she would let out on the porch, 43 00:02:07,021 --> 00:02:09,021 but that was about halfway down the sidewalk, 44 00:02:09,021 --> 00:02:12,021 cracked in half. 45 00:02:12,021 --> 00:02:13,021 Her little dog is looking out the window 46 00:02:13,021 --> 00:02:19,021 and I'm calling out "Mom," I don't get any response. 47 00:02:19,021 --> 00:02:22,021 So, as I went in the house, it doesn't appear that 48 00:02:23,021 --> 00:02:25,021 there's anything really out of the ordinary. 49 00:02:25,021 --> 00:02:30,021 Um, I can see that her-- the office light is on, 50 00:02:30,021 --> 00:02:33,021 and it looked like she was just there. 51 00:02:33,021 --> 00:02:35,021 Um, she had a drink next to the computer, 52 00:02:35,021 --> 00:02:37,021 she had her cell phone next to the computer. 53 00:02:37,021 --> 00:02:41,021 And that was when I kind of had that moment of panic 54 00:02:41,021 --> 00:02:45,021 that...my mom was not here last night. 55 00:02:46,021 --> 00:02:49,021 - ♪ 56 00:02:50,021 --> 00:02:52,021 - My mom came from a small family. 57 00:02:52,021 --> 00:02:54,021 Mostly she grew up around Effingham, Kansas-- 58 00:02:54,021 --> 00:02:57,021 very small town, uh, rural, on a farm. 59 00:02:57,021 --> 00:03:01,021 I think her dream would have been to be a veterinarian, 60 00:03:01,021 --> 00:03:07,021 but, um, ultimately, she met my father, Eugene Kimmi. 61 00:03:07,021 --> 00:03:08,021 They went to high school together. 62 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:09,021 It's a very small town. 63 00:03:09,021 --> 00:03:12,021 They had mutual friends, um, and started dating 64 00:03:13,021 --> 00:03:15,021 and probably six months after they graduated, 65 00:03:16,021 --> 00:03:17,021 they got married. 66 00:03:18,021 --> 00:03:21,021 I had three other brothers close in age 67 00:03:21,021 --> 00:03:23,021 and that really just took up her life. 68 00:03:23,021 --> 00:03:27,021 Um, she didn't work, that was really not-- 69 00:03:27,021 --> 00:03:29,021 not something that Eugene wanted her to do. 70 00:03:29,021 --> 00:03:33,021 I don't believe their marriage was ever really good. 71 00:03:33,021 --> 00:03:37,021 He was not a happy person and he drank all the time. 72 00:03:38,021 --> 00:03:41,021 My earliest memories of Eugene are of being drunk 73 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:45,021 and being angry. 74 00:03:45,021 --> 00:03:49,021 You know, the yelling, the name calling, 75 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:51,021 shoving over furniture. 76 00:03:51,021 --> 00:03:55,021 My mom, she didn't stand up to him very often, 77 00:03:55,021 --> 00:03:57,021 and I would get really angry with her about that, 78 00:03:57,021 --> 00:04:00,021 but she said, "That just makes it worse, 79 00:04:00,021 --> 00:04:03,021 it's--it's easier if you just let it blow over." 80 00:04:04,021 --> 00:04:07,021 We considered ourselves lucky, I think, if--if it was 81 00:04:07,021 --> 00:04:11,021 an evening that maybe he just drank and passed out. 82 00:04:15,021 --> 00:04:18,021 Eugene inherited the--the family business-- 83 00:04:18,021 --> 00:04:20,021 a lumber and sawmill business. 84 00:04:20,021 --> 00:04:22,021 It was basically him running it then 85 00:04:23,021 --> 00:04:25,021 with my cousin and brothers. 86 00:04:26,021 --> 00:04:29,021 Although it was in his name, they--they did a lot of the work 87 00:04:29,021 --> 00:04:34,021 because you just couldn't count on when he was going to... 88 00:04:34,021 --> 00:04:36,021 get out of bed and go to work. 89 00:04:38,021 --> 00:04:40,021 You can say that people have a drinking problem 90 00:04:40,021 --> 00:04:42,021 or they're an alcoholic, but I--I think 91 00:04:42,021 --> 00:04:44,021 his mentality and his personality was just-- 92 00:04:44,021 --> 00:04:49,021 there was something there that was even beyond the drinking. 93 00:04:50,021 --> 00:04:52,021 I can't imagine how hard that was, 94 00:04:52,021 --> 00:04:54,021 but you did not see that in her life, 95 00:04:55,021 --> 00:04:57,021 you didn't see it on her face, 96 00:04:57,021 --> 00:05:00,021 it's not something that she talked to us about. 97 00:05:05,021 --> 00:05:06,021 One Mother's Day, my brothers and I, 98 00:05:06,021 --> 00:05:09,021 we put some money together so she could go to Tennessee 99 00:05:09,021 --> 00:05:12,021 with some friends. 100 00:05:12,021 --> 00:05:15,021 After she returned from the trip, she mentioned 101 00:05:15,021 --> 00:05:17,021 that there were some things out of place in the house, 102 00:05:17,021 --> 00:05:20,021 and she just felt like there might have been 103 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:22,021 someone else at the house. 104 00:05:24,021 --> 00:05:26,021 It wasn't until my brothers came to me that they had done 105 00:05:26,021 --> 00:05:29,021 a little more digging into it and found that there was 106 00:05:29,021 --> 00:05:31,021 another woman involved. 107 00:05:32,021 --> 00:05:36,021 After all those years of the treatment 108 00:05:36,021 --> 00:05:41,021 that she took from him, we went to her and said, 109 00:05:41,021 --> 00:05:44,021 "We think it's time for you to leave." 110 00:05:47,021 --> 00:05:49,021 I think Eugene was okay with the divorce 111 00:05:49,021 --> 00:05:53,021 because he saw this as the easy way out. 112 00:05:53,021 --> 00:05:56,021 "She's filed and I can go on with this other woman 113 00:05:56,021 --> 00:05:58,021 and do whatever I wanna do." 114 00:05:58,021 --> 00:06:02,021 Until the idea of the finances comes up. 115 00:06:03,021 --> 00:06:07,021 The divorce process drug on for--for over a year. 116 00:06:07,021 --> 00:06:10,021 He was just not open to any amount of money 117 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:12,021 that was gonna let her live on her own 118 00:06:12,021 --> 00:06:16,021 or even be able to have a home to live in. 119 00:06:16,021 --> 00:06:19,021 The judge saw the truth and he just split it down the middle. 120 00:06:19,021 --> 00:06:23,021 For her, that meant that she could live a normal life. 121 00:06:23,021 --> 00:06:24,021 That was the least that she deserved 122 00:06:24,021 --> 00:06:28,021 for everything that she had put up with for all those years. 123 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:39,021 She's a creature of habit. I couldn't think of where 124 00:06:39,021 --> 00:06:40,021 she would be that early in the morning--it was 8:30 125 00:06:40,021 --> 00:06:43,021 on a Saturday morning, and she hadn't said 126 00:06:43,021 --> 00:06:47,021 that she was going anywhere, so, my mind didn't want to go 127 00:06:47,021 --> 00:06:49,021 to a place where something could be so wrong. 128 00:06:53,021 --> 00:06:55,021 I just started calling. 129 00:06:55,021 --> 00:06:57,021 I called my brothers all first. 130 00:06:57,021 --> 00:07:00,021 The first one to get there was my brother Tony. 131 00:07:00,021 --> 00:07:05,021 So, I watched him as he got out, and he's looking at all 132 00:07:05,021 --> 00:07:08,021 the same things that I did. He came inside and, 133 00:07:08,021 --> 00:07:11,021 "I think that we need to call the sheriff." 134 00:07:15,021 --> 00:07:18,021 Deputy Peak looked everything over as well 135 00:07:18,021 --> 00:07:20,021 and asked if we had touched anything. 136 00:07:20,021 --> 00:07:23,021 Um, he then asked 137 00:07:23,021 --> 00:07:26,021 if we thought there was someone who would want 138 00:07:26,021 --> 00:07:28,021 to harm our mom. 139 00:07:30,021 --> 00:07:32,021 The only person who had ever threatened her 140 00:07:33,021 --> 00:07:36,021 was our father, Eugene. 141 00:07:39,021 --> 00:07:41,021 I thought a lot, growing up, 142 00:07:41,021 --> 00:07:44,021 about the things that he threatened, you know, 143 00:07:44,021 --> 00:07:47,021 there were times that he threatened to kill us. 144 00:07:47,021 --> 00:07:50,021 And...in my mind I just thought, you know, 145 00:07:50,021 --> 00:07:52,021 this is-- this is how it happens. 146 00:07:54,021 --> 00:07:57,021 - ♪ 147 00:07:57,021 --> 00:07:59,021 - I'm Sergeant Jeremy Peak. 148 00:07:59,021 --> 00:08:00,021 I work for the Atchison County Sheriff's Office, 149 00:08:01,021 --> 00:08:03,021 I was the first responding officer to the Kimmi residence. 150 00:08:06,021 --> 00:08:09,021 As I approached, there was probably eight to ten cars 151 00:08:09,021 --> 00:08:12,021 that had already gathered there that was family members. 152 00:08:12,021 --> 00:08:14,021 They were all standing out in the front yard. 153 00:08:14,021 --> 00:08:17,021 Rita began telling me that she had received a call 154 00:08:17,021 --> 00:08:18,021 from Sharon Blakely. 155 00:08:18,021 --> 00:08:20,021 They were supposed to go on a shopping trip that morning, 156 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:23,021 and Sharon wasn't able to get a hold of Pat by phone. 157 00:08:24,021 --> 00:08:28,021 I was told that this was very unusual for their mother, 158 00:08:28,021 --> 00:08:30,021 that she usually always has a phone on her, 159 00:08:30,021 --> 00:08:33,021 she's, uh--stays in contact, she's not the type of person 160 00:08:33,021 --> 00:08:37,021 to just up and leave somewhere without, um, her belongings. 161 00:08:40,021 --> 00:08:41,021 When we first walked up to the front porch, 162 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:44,021 there was several decorative items knocked over, 163 00:08:44,021 --> 00:08:45,021 some were broke, some were knocked 164 00:08:45,021 --> 00:08:46,021 completely off the porch. 165 00:08:47,021 --> 00:08:51,021 The door was partially open and the thing that 166 00:08:51,021 --> 00:08:53,021 caught my attention the most was that the deadbolt lock 167 00:08:54,021 --> 00:08:57,021 was out like it had been-- someone was trying to lock it. 168 00:08:57,021 --> 00:09:01,021 My gut feeling, something had happened in that home. 169 00:09:01,021 --> 00:09:02,021 I immediately called my supervisors, 170 00:09:02,021 --> 00:09:04,021 they, uh, granted me permission 171 00:09:04,021 --> 00:09:07,021 to get other people, other agencies involved. 172 00:09:09,021 --> 00:09:10,021 One of the questions I asked the family-- 173 00:09:10,021 --> 00:09:12,021 all of the kids was--is: did they know anybody 174 00:09:12,021 --> 00:09:15,021 that could have done this to their mother? 175 00:09:15,021 --> 00:09:16,021 They all gave me the same answer,it was just immediate, 176 00:09:16,021 --> 00:09:20,021 that they believe their father, Eugene Kimmi, had something 177 00:09:20,021 --> 00:09:22,021 to do with their mother's disappearance. 178 00:09:23,021 --> 00:09:25,021 My impressions were that Eugene was very upset 179 00:09:25,021 --> 00:09:28,021 about losing lots of money 180 00:09:28,021 --> 00:09:31,021 through the divorce and alimony payments. 181 00:09:34,021 --> 00:09:35,021 There was, uh, two detectives 182 00:09:35,021 --> 00:09:36,021 from the Atchison Police Department 183 00:09:36,021 --> 00:09:39,021 had responded to the scene to assist, 184 00:09:39,021 --> 00:09:43,021 and I had asked them to go visit Eugene Kimmi. 185 00:09:43,021 --> 00:09:46,021 When they arrived, they found Eugene sitting in an office 186 00:09:46,021 --> 00:09:48,021 and he was drinking beer. 187 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:51,021 And they-- he was very cooperative, 188 00:09:51,021 --> 00:09:52,021 he allowed them to, uh, look through the sawmill, 189 00:09:52,021 --> 00:09:55,021 look through his truck and his office, 190 00:09:55,021 --> 00:09:57,021 and he answered some questions, 191 00:09:57,021 --> 00:09:59,021 but he positively denied having anything to do 192 00:09:59,021 --> 00:10:01,021 with Pat's disappearance. 193 00:10:02,021 --> 00:10:04,021 He had stayed home the night before 194 00:10:04,021 --> 00:10:07,021 and watched a movie, is what he had told them. 195 00:10:07,021 --> 00:10:10,021 And--but he had talked to his girlfriend on the phone. 196 00:10:11,021 --> 00:10:12,021 We followed up with the girlfriend 197 00:10:12,021 --> 00:10:14,021 and verified that he was on the phone with her 198 00:10:14,021 --> 00:10:16,021 at that particular time. 199 00:10:16,021 --> 00:10:18,021 It didn't rule him out as a suspect by any means, 200 00:10:18,021 --> 00:10:20,021 we just felt that he had been truthful with us. 201 00:10:23,021 --> 00:10:28,021 KBI agent Dwayne Robair and I were photographing the house 202 00:10:28,021 --> 00:10:31,021 when we had heard somebody yell that we needed to come out 203 00:10:31,021 --> 00:10:33,021 and check the driveway. 204 00:10:33,021 --> 00:10:39,021 There was an area approximately 18 to 24 inches in circumference 205 00:10:39,021 --> 00:10:41,021 and it was just itty bitty blood droplets, 206 00:10:41,021 --> 00:10:45,021 and they were all within this circle, 207 00:10:45,021 --> 00:10:48,021 and it appeared to be fresh. 208 00:10:52,021 --> 00:10:54,021 During all this there's, of course, other things 209 00:10:54,021 --> 00:10:56,021 going on in the investigation. 210 00:10:56,021 --> 00:10:59,021 One of our deputies responded to the scene from home 211 00:10:59,021 --> 00:11:03,021 and I had sent him to do a neighborhood canvas. 212 00:11:03,021 --> 00:11:05,021 While he was out, found a ball cap 213 00:11:05,021 --> 00:11:06,021 sitting in the middle of the road. 214 00:11:06,021 --> 00:11:09,021 It was a standard ball cap, it was camouflaged in color, 215 00:11:09,021 --> 00:11:11,021 and it had the words "Saylor Insurance" 216 00:11:11,021 --> 00:11:13,021 written on the cap. 217 00:11:13,021 --> 00:11:15,021 He photographed it, and then collected it 218 00:11:15,021 --> 00:11:18,021 into a, uh, evidence sack and returned that to the office, 219 00:11:18,021 --> 00:11:20,021 into our evidence room. 220 00:11:22,021 --> 00:11:24,021 Also during this time, I had called a dog group 221 00:11:24,021 --> 00:11:27,021 that assist in missing persons cases, 222 00:11:27,021 --> 00:11:29,021 and they brought several dogs with them 223 00:11:29,021 --> 00:11:31,021 and their handlers. 224 00:11:31,021 --> 00:11:33,021 Everybody just wanted to pitch in. 225 00:11:33,021 --> 00:11:35,021 There was people that didn't even know Pat Kimmi 226 00:11:35,021 --> 00:11:38,021 or the family, and they wanted to just come out and help. 227 00:11:38,021 --> 00:11:39,021 And we began forming search lines 228 00:11:39,021 --> 00:11:42,021 and just walking in the property and the roadways. 229 00:11:48,021 --> 00:11:51,021 One officer was with part of the search team. 230 00:11:51,021 --> 00:11:52,021 They were, um, out on the side of the road 231 00:11:52,021 --> 00:11:56,021 looking around and somebody had noticed a truck 232 00:11:56,021 --> 00:11:58,021 pull onto the road. 233 00:12:00,021 --> 00:12:02,021 When the officer went to find out who it was, 234 00:12:02,021 --> 00:12:03,021 the truck had turned the lights off and disappeared. 235 00:12:06,021 --> 00:12:08,021 Possibly could be a suspect coming back to the area 236 00:12:08,021 --> 00:12:10,021 to make sure that he didn't drop something 237 00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:13,021 during the commission of the crime. 238 00:12:13,021 --> 00:12:15,021 Around 10 o'clock, I remember the sheriff called everybody 239 00:12:16,021 --> 00:12:18,021 on the radio and, uh, suggested maybe we all go home, 240 00:12:18,021 --> 00:12:20,021 get a good night's sleep, come back out 241 00:12:20,021 --> 00:12:22,021 first thing in the morning and start again. 242 00:12:22,021 --> 00:12:26,021 - [birds chirping] 243 00:12:26,021 --> 00:12:29,021 - ♪ 244 00:12:29,021 --> 00:12:33,021 - SGT. PEAK: That second day we searched miles around her-- 245 00:12:33,021 --> 00:12:34,021 her residence trying to locate her. 246 00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:37,021 We weren't 100% sure what happened at that point, 247 00:12:37,021 --> 00:12:39,021 and we were just trying to find anything. 248 00:12:40,021 --> 00:12:42,021 Two of the detectives located, I believe, a money clip. 249 00:12:42,021 --> 00:12:44,021 It had some kind of old coin attached to it, 250 00:12:44,021 --> 00:12:47,021 like an old silver dollar. 251 00:12:47,021 --> 00:12:50,021 It had some-- a wad of bills folded up, 252 00:12:50,021 --> 00:12:51,021 tucked inside this money clip, 253 00:12:51,021 --> 00:12:53,021 and the bills were soaked in blood. 254 00:12:54,021 --> 00:12:59,021 I also found a Crown Royal sack that had, uh, .22 Magnum shells. 255 00:12:59,021 --> 00:13:01,021 And on that roadside, there was a large pool of blood. 256 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:04,021 It had soaked under the ground, obviously, 257 00:13:04,021 --> 00:13:08,021 but the grass had been stained. 258 00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:11,021 That second scene just reinforced that something 259 00:13:11,021 --> 00:13:14,021 obviously very serious had happened to Pat Kimmi. 260 00:13:17,021 --> 00:13:20,021 - ♪ 261 00:13:20,021 --> 00:13:22,021 - SGT. PEAK: A search team working approximately a mile 262 00:13:22,021 --> 00:13:24,021 west of the residence had located a receipt 263 00:13:24,021 --> 00:13:28,021 laying on the side of the road for Walmart. 264 00:13:28,021 --> 00:13:30,021 The receipt stood out because the purchase of the, um, items 265 00:13:30,021 --> 00:13:33,021 was the night before we were called to the scene. 266 00:13:33,021 --> 00:13:36,021 We used that receipt to go to the Walmart 267 00:13:36,021 --> 00:13:39,021 and obtain surveillance video to see who was on the receipt, 268 00:13:40,021 --> 00:13:42,021 to find out if that was somebody we could go talk to. 269 00:13:42,021 --> 00:13:45,021 It showed a young man, a young female, 270 00:13:45,021 --> 00:13:48,021 they walked up to a counter and they paid for some items. 271 00:13:48,021 --> 00:13:51,021 We concluded that the person on the video was 272 00:13:51,021 --> 00:13:54,021 a police officer's son, out of the city of Horton, 273 00:13:54,021 --> 00:13:56,021 and we interviewed him. 274 00:13:59,021 --> 00:14:02,021 - ♪ 275 00:14:02,021 --> 00:14:03,021 - SGT. PEAK: He basically told officers that, uh, 276 00:14:03,021 --> 00:14:06,021 he was, uh, just out in the area 277 00:14:06,021 --> 00:14:07,021 hanging out with his girlfriend, 278 00:14:07,021 --> 00:14:09,021 they had, uh, just found a place to kinda park 279 00:14:09,021 --> 00:14:12,021 and they hung out, had a cooler. 280 00:14:12,021 --> 00:14:13,021 He took her home, and then, uh, 281 00:14:13,021 --> 00:14:15,021 realized he forgot a cooler in the back of his truck. 282 00:14:16,021 --> 00:14:17,021 So, he returned to the area 283 00:14:17,021 --> 00:14:20,021 and he noticed a red-colored truck 284 00:14:20,021 --> 00:14:22,021 that had dual wheels and yellow cab lights, 285 00:14:22,021 --> 00:14:24,021 and he had saw somebody-- 286 00:14:24,021 --> 00:14:25,021 some kind of movement in the grass 287 00:14:25,021 --> 00:14:29,021 and he took it as somebody was working on the truck. 288 00:14:30,021 --> 00:14:32,021 His girlfriend was able to corroborate the story, 289 00:14:32,021 --> 00:14:35,021 but it gave us insight into very good information. 290 00:14:35,021 --> 00:14:38,021 He was able to place a vehicle within that crime scene, 291 00:14:38,021 --> 00:14:41,021 and we knew that there was actually some kind of struggle. 292 00:14:42,021 --> 00:14:46,021 Immediately, we remembered the truck with cab lights 293 00:14:46,021 --> 00:14:47,021 that pulled into where the officers 294 00:14:47,021 --> 00:14:48,021 were searching alongside the road. 295 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:50,021 It's one thing to have a good description 296 00:14:50,021 --> 00:14:52,021 of a suspect vehicle, but it's gonna be 297 00:14:52,021 --> 00:14:54,021 a whole 'nother thing to find it. 298 00:14:56,021 --> 00:15:02,021 - ♪ 299 00:15:02,021 --> 00:15:06,021 - I'm Tony Kimmi. Patricia Kimmi was my mother. 300 00:15:09,021 --> 00:15:13,021 When Rita called me, I drove out there, 301 00:15:13,021 --> 00:15:15,021 and it was like she had disappeared. 302 00:15:15,021 --> 00:15:17,021 Just not there. 303 00:15:18,021 --> 00:15:20,021 When the detectives told us that they didn't think 304 00:15:20,021 --> 00:15:25,021 Eugene Kimmi was involved, initially, we doubted them. 305 00:15:25,021 --> 00:15:27,021 We knew in our hearts in some way, shape or form, 306 00:15:27,021 --> 00:15:30,021 he was involved in this. 307 00:15:30,021 --> 00:15:34,021 Eugene Kimmi was the only name that anybody could come up with 308 00:15:34,021 --> 00:15:35,021 that would want to harm her. 309 00:15:38,021 --> 00:15:42,021 He was verbally very abusive. Very abusive. 310 00:15:43,021 --> 00:15:45,021 I don't know if there was a name he didn't call her. 311 00:15:45,021 --> 00:15:48,021 Our mother was the type of person that didn't want 312 00:15:48,021 --> 00:15:52,021 to see us kids upset, hurt, or anything, 313 00:15:52,021 --> 00:15:54,021 so I think she kept a lot in. 314 00:15:54,021 --> 00:15:56,021 Dealing with an alcoholic, and the way he was, 315 00:15:56,021 --> 00:15:58,021 there was a lot more that carried on 316 00:15:58,021 --> 00:15:59,021 that we probably didn't know about, 317 00:16:00,021 --> 00:16:02,021 and she was always wanting to protect us. 318 00:16:07,021 --> 00:16:08,021 The detectives come back and said that 319 00:16:08,021 --> 00:16:11,021 they're fairly confident Eugene's not involved. 320 00:16:11,021 --> 00:16:14,021 "If there's any other names out there, let us know." 321 00:16:14,021 --> 00:16:18,021 And so we all start throwing out names. 322 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:21,021 She had her house moved in. 323 00:16:21,021 --> 00:16:24,021 It was a modular home, but there was other work 324 00:16:24,021 --> 00:16:26,021 that she needed done. 325 00:16:26,021 --> 00:16:28,021 She hired a contractor to come in, 326 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:31,021 and he was there quite often doing odds and ends work, 327 00:16:31,021 --> 00:16:33,021 and fixing up her house as needed to be. 328 00:16:34,021 --> 00:16:38,021 The contractor's name came up because he was kind of only 329 00:16:38,021 --> 00:16:41,021 the other male figure that was in her life at that time. 330 00:16:42,021 --> 00:16:44,021 There was a key box set 331 00:16:44,021 --> 00:16:46,021 on the outside of our mother's home, 332 00:16:46,021 --> 00:16:49,021 and he had access to that key box to go in 333 00:16:49,021 --> 00:16:50,021 and do the work as needed. 334 00:16:51,021 --> 00:16:52,021 So that was another thing on our mind that, "Well, 335 00:16:53,021 --> 00:16:56,021 he had a lot of access to the house." 336 00:16:56,021 --> 00:17:01,021 - ♪ 337 00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:04,021 - TONY: The detectives went and investigated him. 338 00:17:04,021 --> 00:17:07,021 The contractor did drive a red truck that matched 339 00:17:07,021 --> 00:17:09,021 kind of the description. 340 00:17:12,021 --> 00:17:15,021 They found blood in the bed of his truck. 341 00:17:15,021 --> 00:17:18,021 So, we was like-- it was like... 342 00:17:18,021 --> 00:17:21,021 "It's him, it's him. What else could it be?" 343 00:17:21,021 --> 00:17:24,021 The question is: why? Why would he want to harm her? 344 00:17:24,021 --> 00:17:27,021 Nothing was stolen from the house. 345 00:17:27,021 --> 00:17:28,021 No money was taken. 346 00:17:28,021 --> 00:17:31,021 What was his motive, if it was him? 347 00:17:31,021 --> 00:17:33,021 They did say that he was very cooperative 348 00:17:33,021 --> 00:17:35,021 and allowed them to search wherever, whenever they wanted, 349 00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:38,021 so that was another twist and turn, like, 350 00:17:38,021 --> 00:17:41,021 "Well, if he did do it, why is he being so cooperative?" 351 00:17:41,021 --> 00:17:44,021 It's just--your mind didn't know what to think at that point. 352 00:17:44,021 --> 00:17:47,021 It seemed like then every hour was like an eternity, 353 00:17:47,021 --> 00:17:51,021 because we wasn't finding out the ultimate result of this. 354 00:17:51,021 --> 00:17:57,021 - ♪ 355 00:18:01,021 --> 00:18:04,021 - TONY: Some searchers had found a ball cap 356 00:18:04,021 --> 00:18:05,021 with "Saylor Insurance" on it. 357 00:18:05,021 --> 00:18:08,021 Initially we blew it off like, "Well, it's just a ball cap. 358 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:10,021 It doesn't mean nothing." 359 00:18:10,021 --> 00:18:12,021 The only thing that stood out to me with Saylor Insurance 360 00:18:12,021 --> 00:18:15,021 is they were an insurance group from Sabetha, Kansas. 361 00:18:15,021 --> 00:18:19,021 Detective Larry Myers went to Saylor Insurance 362 00:18:19,021 --> 00:18:25,021 and got a list of clients that was approximately 300 people, 363 00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:31,021 and presented it to us at the fire department in Horton. 364 00:18:31,021 --> 00:18:35,021 That's basically where everybody met to be assigned 365 00:18:35,021 --> 00:18:38,021 where to search and when and how to search. 366 00:18:38,021 --> 00:18:41,021 So that was basically our base camp at that time. 367 00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:45,021 My brother Gene was going down through the list, 368 00:18:45,021 --> 00:18:47,021 and I noticed his finger was sitting on the name 369 00:18:47,021 --> 00:18:49,021 Roger Hollister. 370 00:18:49,021 --> 00:18:51,021 And he says, "I know this guy. 371 00:18:51,021 --> 00:18:53,021 He's done business at the sawmill." 372 00:18:53,021 --> 00:18:56,021 He did drive a red dually truck at the time. 373 00:18:56,021 --> 00:18:57,021 Everything seemed to be matching with him. 374 00:18:57,021 --> 00:19:01,021 And we had our hopes up that, "Okay, we're onto something." 375 00:19:04,021 --> 00:19:10,021 - ♪ 376 00:19:11,021 --> 00:19:13,021 - TONY: The evening that they interviewed him, 377 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:16,021 the law enforcement came back and said, "It's not him. 378 00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:19,021 He's just a frail, old man." 379 00:19:19,021 --> 00:19:22,021 He had a neck brace on and walking with a cane. 380 00:19:22,021 --> 00:19:25,021 And it just pretty much came off to the law enforcement 381 00:19:25,021 --> 00:19:28,021 that there's no way this guy could be involved in it. 382 00:19:28,021 --> 00:19:30,021 There's no way. 383 00:19:30,021 --> 00:19:31,021 Law enforcement asked Roger Hollister 384 00:19:31,021 --> 00:19:33,021 about his red dually. 385 00:19:33,021 --> 00:19:37,021 And he said that he had sold it prior to Mom going missing. 386 00:19:37,021 --> 00:19:38,021 You could see in their eyes that like, 387 00:19:38,021 --> 00:19:41,021 "Wow, where do we go now?" 388 00:19:41,021 --> 00:19:42,021 That was probably one of the toughest days 389 00:19:42,021 --> 00:19:44,021 in this case. 390 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:52,021 One of the detectives called us and relayed to us 391 00:19:52,021 --> 00:19:54,021 that the blood in the contractors' truck 392 00:19:54,021 --> 00:19:58,021 was not human blood, it was animal blood-- 393 00:19:58,021 --> 00:20:02,021 possibly deer blood-- and it was a punch in the gut. 394 00:20:02,021 --> 00:20:04,021 Once we found out that the contractor wasn't involved, 395 00:20:04,021 --> 00:20:06,021 our hope just kinda left because, at that point, 396 00:20:06,021 --> 00:20:10,021 we was in--three weeks into it, and then all of a sudden, 397 00:20:10,021 --> 00:20:12,021 it's basically telling us there's--we're not-- 398 00:20:12,021 --> 00:20:13,021 we're not gonna find her alive. 399 00:20:13,021 --> 00:20:16,021 As days go on, the frustration builds. 400 00:20:16,021 --> 00:20:17,021 You just, "Now what? Now what do we do? 401 00:20:17,021 --> 00:20:19,021 Where do we go from here?" 402 00:20:24,021 --> 00:20:28,021 - ♪ 403 00:20:28,021 --> 00:20:30,021 - My name is Larry Myer. 404 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:33,021 I was the lead investigator on the case. 405 00:20:35,021 --> 00:20:37,021 We knew we had a missing person. 406 00:20:37,021 --> 00:20:39,021 We knew that it appeared that something violent 407 00:20:39,021 --> 00:20:40,021 had taken place, 408 00:20:40,021 --> 00:20:44,021 and that we did not have a body. 409 00:20:44,021 --> 00:20:46,021 It had become concern to law enforcement that 410 00:20:46,021 --> 00:20:49,021 it was probably gonna end up to be a homicide, 411 00:20:49,021 --> 00:20:50,021 just from the knowledge of what we had gained 412 00:20:50,021 --> 00:20:53,021 from the crime scene. 413 00:20:53,021 --> 00:20:56,021 Numerous agencies assisted the first few weeks. 414 00:20:56,021 --> 00:20:59,021 After we was able to put out the description 415 00:20:59,021 --> 00:21:02,021 of a possible suspect vehicle-- the red dually pickup-- 416 00:21:02,021 --> 00:21:05,021 we knew we was gonna be inundated with phone calls. 417 00:21:05,021 --> 00:21:08,021 So, we actually asked for the assistance from 418 00:21:08,021 --> 00:21:10,021 the major case squad from Northeast Kansas. 419 00:21:11,021 --> 00:21:13,021 There was searches done by air, 420 00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,021 there were searches done on foot, 421 00:21:16,021 --> 00:21:18,021 and that went on for weeks. 422 00:21:22,021 --> 00:21:25,021 January the 18th was a very big day. 423 00:21:25,021 --> 00:21:27,021 I received a phone call from the family 424 00:21:27,021 --> 00:21:31,021 that Mr. Hollister had been at the, uh, Kimmi sawmill. 425 00:21:31,021 --> 00:21:35,021 DJ Kimmi is a nephew to Eugene Kimmi, 426 00:21:35,021 --> 00:21:36,021 and he was working for the sawmill 427 00:21:36,021 --> 00:21:40,021 as he did most of the time, and Roger just shows up. 428 00:21:40,021 --> 00:21:42,021 He said, "I'm here to collect my money. 429 00:21:43,021 --> 00:21:47,021 I'm here to collect $70,000 that Eugene had offered me." 430 00:21:47,021 --> 00:21:48,021 DJ just thought it was odd 431 00:21:48,021 --> 00:21:52,021 that he just out of the blue come and, uh, ask for a payment, 432 00:21:52,021 --> 00:21:55,021 and he said that Roger was very upset. 433 00:21:55,021 --> 00:21:58,021 It confirmed to us that-- that Mr. Roger Hollister 434 00:21:58,021 --> 00:22:00,021 was involved in the case. 435 00:22:00,021 --> 00:22:02,021 Roger's name came up several times. 436 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:05,021 He owned a red dually pickup 437 00:22:05,021 --> 00:22:09,021 and it just became a major focus of--of the investigation. 438 00:22:14,021 --> 00:22:16,021 After doing some VIN searching, 439 00:22:16,021 --> 00:22:19,021 we was able to locate that that vehicle was sold 440 00:22:19,021 --> 00:22:22,021 in Tecumseh, Nebraska. 441 00:22:22,021 --> 00:22:24,021 We went to a dealership up there who said that 442 00:22:24,021 --> 00:22:27,021 Mr. Hollister had traded the dually pickup. 443 00:22:27,021 --> 00:22:30,021 He had traded it for a--a newer pickup. 444 00:22:31,021 --> 00:22:33,021 Within one or two days, he went back to Nebraska 445 00:22:33,021 --> 00:22:35,021 to buy his truck back. 446 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:37,021 And in between trading the vehicle and buying it back, 447 00:22:37,021 --> 00:22:39,021 Hollister had called the car dealership 448 00:22:39,021 --> 00:22:41,021 in Tecumseh, Nebraska, 449 00:22:42,021 --> 00:22:43,021 asking if they had found a money clip. 450 00:22:45,021 --> 00:22:47,021 We drove--on the way back from Nebraska-- 451 00:22:47,021 --> 00:22:52,021 we drove by Hollister's farm, we did not see the truck around. 452 00:22:52,021 --> 00:22:53,021 We questioned him about the money clip, 453 00:22:53,021 --> 00:22:54,021 he told us, "Well, yeah," he said, 454 00:22:54,021 --> 00:22:56,021 "I've got that money clip, it's out here in my barn." 455 00:22:56,021 --> 00:22:59,021 And he took a KBI agent and myself out 456 00:22:59,021 --> 00:23:00,021 to look at that clip, 457 00:23:00,021 --> 00:23:02,021 and there was one matching that description, 458 00:23:02,021 --> 00:23:05,021 but we also had one identical to that. 459 00:23:08,021 --> 00:23:09,021 We had probably, uh, 460 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,021 eight to ten officers searching the shed. 461 00:23:11,021 --> 00:23:15,021 We also, uh, had people searching the--the grounds. 462 00:23:15,021 --> 00:23:18,021 Parts of the pickup was found at the house, 463 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:22,021 buried in a large ditch southwest of his house and barn. 464 00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:26,021 Uh, we were able to find that with a track hoe. 465 00:23:26,021 --> 00:23:28,021 We found bits and pieces of what appeared to be 466 00:23:28,021 --> 00:23:30,021 the frame of the truck. 467 00:23:30,021 --> 00:23:32,021 Most of it was burnt, but there was still red p--paint 468 00:23:32,021 --> 00:23:37,021 on the truck and that led us to believe that Hollister 469 00:23:37,021 --> 00:23:39,021 had scrapped his pickup. 470 00:23:39,021 --> 00:23:40,021 We knew, at that point, 471 00:23:40,021 --> 00:23:42,021 we had some good, concrete evidence. 472 00:23:46,021 --> 00:23:50,021 I spoke to him in depth, uh, about what I knew was going on. 473 00:23:50,021 --> 00:23:52,021 I said, "Hey, look, we know what happened to your truck. 474 00:23:52,021 --> 00:23:53,021 "We know where you sold it, 475 00:23:53,021 --> 00:23:54,021 "we know where you bought it back, 476 00:23:54,021 --> 00:23:56,021 "we know you called for the money clip, 477 00:23:56,021 --> 00:23:58,021 we've got your bed of the truck." 478 00:23:58,021 --> 00:24:02,021 I could tell that he knew we were onto him. 479 00:24:02,021 --> 00:24:04,021 He needed to cooperate. 480 00:24:07,021 --> 00:24:11,021 - ♪ 481 00:24:11,021 --> 00:24:15,021 - LARRY: They were drinking beer at Eugene Kimmi's sawmill. 482 00:24:15,021 --> 00:24:17,021 Roger told us that an offer was made. 483 00:24:17,021 --> 00:24:22,021 He would, uh, gladly give someone $70,000 to, uh, 484 00:24:22,021 --> 00:24:23,021 have his ex-wife disappear. 485 00:24:23,021 --> 00:24:26,021 Eugene said that she had cost him a lot of money 486 00:24:26,021 --> 00:24:29,021 and that he was just tired of the situation. 487 00:24:33,021 --> 00:24:34,021 On that Friday evening, Eugene came over 488 00:24:35,021 --> 00:24:38,021 to Roger's house-- is what Roger said happened-- 489 00:24:38,021 --> 00:24:40,021 and asked to borrow his truck. 490 00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:42,021 He would not loan Eugene his truck, 491 00:24:42,021 --> 00:24:46,021 but he said he would drive it, and that's when he said 492 00:24:46,021 --> 00:24:49,021 him and Eugene went to Pat Kimmi's house. 493 00:24:51,021 --> 00:24:54,021 Roger says Eugene gets out and goes in the house. 494 00:24:57,021 --> 00:24:58,021 He puts something in the back of the truck, 495 00:24:58,021 --> 00:25:03,021 rolled up in a carpet, and they took off. 496 00:25:03,021 --> 00:25:06,021 He said they went back to his property and--and, uh, 497 00:25:06,021 --> 00:25:11,021 he went in the house and Eugene spent several hours 498 00:25:11,021 --> 00:25:12,021 around the property, 499 00:25:12,021 --> 00:25:16,021 and Roger's next comment was, "Eugene says it's surprising 500 00:25:16,021 --> 00:25:19,021 "what 10-gallon diesel fuel and a 55-gallon barrel 501 00:25:19,021 --> 00:25:23,021 will do to a body." 502 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:24,021 That's when he decided to sell the truck 503 00:25:24,021 --> 00:25:27,021 and then later buy it back, 504 00:25:27,021 --> 00:25:29,021 and he thought he better destroy the truck. 505 00:25:30,021 --> 00:25:37,021 - ♪ 506 00:25:38,021 --> 00:25:41,021 - LARRY: He said, uh, he--he went to collect his money 507 00:25:41,021 --> 00:25:42,021 as he thought the use of his truck 508 00:25:42,021 --> 00:25:48,021 and him going with him was worth the $70,000. 509 00:25:49,021 --> 00:25:53,021 I knew he was not being truthful in his interview with me 510 00:25:53,021 --> 00:25:57,021 because we knew of facts that he was not bringing out. 511 00:25:57,021 --> 00:25:59,021 There was an incident that took place a half a mile 512 00:25:59,021 --> 00:26:01,021 from Mrs. Kimmi's house, 513 00:26:01,021 --> 00:26:02,021 and we know they didn't go directly back 514 00:26:02,021 --> 00:26:05,021 to Roger Hollister's property. 515 00:26:05,021 --> 00:26:07,021 Every time we would question him about the facts, 516 00:26:07,021 --> 00:26:09,021 he would tell us a little bit more, 517 00:26:09,021 --> 00:26:12,021 but it was like pulling teeth. 518 00:26:12,021 --> 00:26:15,021 He always wanted to put the blame back on Eugene Kimmi. 519 00:26:16,021 --> 00:26:20,021 We knew his involvement was much more than Mr. Kimmi. 520 00:26:25,021 --> 00:26:28,021 The blood on the Saylor Insurance hat 521 00:26:28,021 --> 00:26:29,021 belonged to Pat Kimmi. 522 00:26:29,021 --> 00:26:32,021 The blood on the coin belonged to Pat Kimmi. 523 00:26:32,021 --> 00:26:35,021 The blood on the ground belonged to Pat Kimmi. 524 00:26:35,021 --> 00:26:38,021 The DNA from the--the hat was matched to that 525 00:26:38,021 --> 00:26:41,021 of Mr. Hollister. That all tied it back to Roger. 526 00:26:41,021 --> 00:26:42,021 "Mr. Hollister," I said, 527 00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:44,021 "you need to get you an attorney." 528 00:26:44,021 --> 00:26:46,021 - ♪ 529 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:51,021 - ♪ 530 00:26:51,021 --> 00:26:54,021 - My name is Gerald Kuckelman. 531 00:26:54,021 --> 00:26:56,021 I was the Atchison County attorney 532 00:26:56,021 --> 00:27:00,021 during the course of the Kimmi case. 533 00:27:01,021 --> 00:27:03,021 There were people that were still looking for Pat Kimmi. 534 00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:06,021 You know, family members want to believe 535 00:27:06,021 --> 00:27:07,021 that they're still alive, 536 00:27:07,021 --> 00:27:10,021 they're still out there somewhere, 537 00:27:10,021 --> 00:27:13,021 but in law enforcement, we were convinced she was dead. 538 00:27:13,021 --> 00:27:19,021 Law enforcement was ready to arrest Roger Hollister. 539 00:27:19,021 --> 00:27:23,021 There was a significant amount of evidence, 540 00:27:23,021 --> 00:27:25,021 and they wanted to start the prosecution. 541 00:27:25,021 --> 00:27:30,021 I thought that, "Yes, we have a lot of evidence, 542 00:27:30,021 --> 00:27:32,021 "but we couldn't prove there was a homicide. 543 00:27:32,021 --> 00:27:33,021 We do not have a body yet." 544 00:27:38,021 --> 00:27:42,021 One of our strategies was to keep pressure on Roger. 545 00:27:42,021 --> 00:27:45,021 But what a lot of criminals do, is when you tell a lie 546 00:27:45,021 --> 00:27:49,021 and you get called on it, then you change the story 547 00:27:49,021 --> 00:27:53,021 to match the facts that you know the police have. 548 00:27:53,021 --> 00:27:56,021 And he was constantly trying to make his story match 549 00:27:56,021 --> 00:27:58,021 what he knew Larry Myer had found out. 550 00:28:01,021 --> 00:28:03,021 We wanted him to keep talking, 551 00:28:03,021 --> 00:28:06,021 and the more he talked, the more we had to work with. 552 00:28:06,021 --> 00:28:08,021 And so, law enforcement was having frequent visits 553 00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:10,021 with him and also with his wife. 554 00:28:13,021 --> 00:28:14,021 By human nature, I think it's hard for people 555 00:28:14,021 --> 00:28:17,021 who've committed a crime to not talk about it 556 00:28:17,021 --> 00:28:19,021 somewhere to someone, 557 00:28:19,021 --> 00:28:23,021 and their spouse is usually the one closest to them, 558 00:28:23,021 --> 00:28:28,021 so we thought Rebecca Hollister knew what had happened. 559 00:28:28,021 --> 00:28:30,021 We noticed that anytime law enforcement would try 560 00:28:30,021 --> 00:28:33,021 to talk with Rebecca, 561 00:28:33,021 --> 00:28:36,021 that Roger would always intervene. 562 00:28:36,021 --> 00:28:39,021 So, we wanted to get her alone so we could question her 563 00:28:39,021 --> 00:28:41,021 without any interference on his part. 564 00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:45,021 We ultimately opened an inquisition in the case, 565 00:28:45,021 --> 00:28:49,021 and an inquisition is a proceeding in our Kansas courts 566 00:28:49,021 --> 00:28:52,021 where you can bring witnesses in to question them under oath. 567 00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:57,021 It's not a trial, it's more of a discovery-type tool. 568 00:28:57,021 --> 00:28:59,021 That was the first time we really got to talk to Rebecca 569 00:28:59,021 --> 00:29:00,021 without Roger present. 570 00:29:07,021 --> 00:29:10,021 That day, I remember very clearly. 571 00:29:10,021 --> 00:29:11,021 Roger drove her to the proceedings, 572 00:29:11,021 --> 00:29:15,021 and he stood outside the courtroom and paced 573 00:29:16,021 --> 00:29:16,021 the entire time she was in there. 574 00:29:17,021 --> 00:29:23,021 - ♪ 575 00:29:27,021 --> 00:29:30,021 - GERALD: I had KBI with me, along with Larry Myer 576 00:29:30,021 --> 00:29:31,021 of the Sheriff's Department, 577 00:29:31,021 --> 00:29:36,021 and we could tell that she wasn't giving the full story. 578 00:29:36,021 --> 00:29:39,021 As soon as we completed the inquisition, 579 00:29:39,021 --> 00:29:41,021 she exited the courtroom and left with Roger. 580 00:29:41,021 --> 00:29:43,021 They walked out, got in the car and left. 581 00:29:49,021 --> 00:29:52,021 - ♪ 582 00:29:52,021 --> 00:29:53,021 - GERALD: It was early in the morning, 583 00:29:53,021 --> 00:29:57,021 I got a phone call from a KBI agent. 584 00:29:57,021 --> 00:29:58,021 He calls and says, "You're never gonna believe it. 585 00:29:58,021 --> 00:30:02,021 The Hollisters were just involved in a car accident 586 00:30:02,021 --> 00:30:04,021 on US-75 Highway." 587 00:30:04,021 --> 00:30:06,021 I said, "What happened?" 588 00:30:06,021 --> 00:30:08,021 Said, "They crossed the center line 589 00:30:08,021 --> 00:30:11,021 "and hit head-on with a semi-tanker. 590 00:30:11,021 --> 00:30:13,021 "They're still alive but they've been transported 591 00:30:13,021 --> 00:30:15,021 to Kansas City to the hospital." 592 00:30:15,021 --> 00:30:17,021 I was very shocked by it, 593 00:30:17,021 --> 00:30:19,021 but then, as I start processing it, 594 00:30:19,021 --> 00:30:21,021 I'm thinking, "Roger Hollister was attempting 595 00:30:21,021 --> 00:30:24,021 to commit suicide." 596 00:30:24,021 --> 00:30:25,021 I thought it was an intentional act. 597 00:30:25,021 --> 00:30:28,021 An innocent guy isn't gonna go out and do that. 598 00:30:31,021 --> 00:30:37,021 - ♪ 599 00:30:38,021 --> 00:30:41,021 - GERALD: I wanted to make sure that we had everything 600 00:30:41,021 --> 00:30:44,021 we were gonna get before we prosecuted him. 601 00:30:45,021 --> 00:30:46,021 In the criminal justice system, 602 00:30:46,021 --> 00:30:48,021 you have to prove a defendant 603 00:30:48,021 --> 00:30:50,021 guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 604 00:30:56,021 --> 00:31:00,021 It was early evening, and I got a call from the sheriff. 605 00:31:00,021 --> 00:31:03,021 The sheriff said, "Rebecca Hollister's in my office 606 00:31:03,021 --> 00:31:05,021 and wants to talk to us." 607 00:31:05,021 --> 00:31:07,021 I knew immediately that if she's there without Roger, 608 00:31:07,021 --> 00:31:09,021 something is breaking. 609 00:31:09,021 --> 00:31:13,021 Rebecca was struggling to talk, crying, upset. 610 00:31:13,021 --> 00:31:14,021 She wanted to take us to the body. 611 00:31:18,021 --> 00:31:21,021 The Sheriff's Department put her in a patrol vehicle. 612 00:31:21,021 --> 00:31:24,021 I rode with the Sheriff, KBI agents met us there. 613 00:31:24,021 --> 00:31:27,021 We drove to the Hollister farm, 614 00:31:27,021 --> 00:31:30,021 went back half a mile from a road 615 00:31:30,021 --> 00:31:34,021 into a pasture towards a wooded area. 616 00:31:36,021 --> 00:31:38,021 She walked directly to the spot, 617 00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:40,021 pointed at the ground. 618 00:31:41,021 --> 00:31:47,021 The deputy did a little bit of digging, and there it was. 619 00:31:50,021 --> 00:31:52,021 First thing exposed was vertebrae. 620 00:31:55,021 --> 00:31:57,021 The remains had been there in that shallow grave 621 00:31:57,021 --> 00:31:59,021 for six months, 622 00:31:59,021 --> 00:32:00,021 but we were still able to get DNA, 623 00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:04,021 and, uh, match it to Patricia Kimmi. 624 00:32:05,021 --> 00:32:06,021 Rebecca ultimately told us she was there when Roger 625 00:32:07,021 --> 00:32:10,021 buried the body, that's how she knew where it was, 626 00:32:10,021 --> 00:32:12,021 but we do not believe that she was present 627 00:32:12,021 --> 00:32:14,021 when the homicide occurred. 628 00:32:16,021 --> 00:32:18,021 I think her conscience was getting to her. 629 00:32:19,021 --> 00:32:22,021 I think that knowing that some lady is buried out on your farm 630 00:32:22,021 --> 00:32:24,021 has gotta be disturbing to a person. 631 00:32:25,021 --> 00:32:27,021 I think it ate at her, it upset her, 632 00:32:27,021 --> 00:32:29,021 and I think she couldn't take it anymore. 633 00:32:32,021 --> 00:32:34,021 After we recovered the body, 634 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:36,021 Rebecca Hollister was allowed to leave. 635 00:32:36,021 --> 00:32:39,021 She left with her daughter, 636 00:32:39,021 --> 00:32:41,021 went to her daughter's home in Kansas City. 637 00:32:41,021 --> 00:32:43,021 Roger, of course, we arrested, 638 00:32:44,021 --> 00:32:45,021 and he was taken to jail. 639 00:32:45,021 --> 00:32:49,021 We charged Roger Hollister with capital murder, 640 00:32:49,021 --> 00:32:51,021 because our theory was always that Eugene had hired him 641 00:32:51,021 --> 00:32:53,021 to--to murder Pat. 642 00:32:53,021 --> 00:32:55,021 Clearly, Roger thought he was getting paid 643 00:32:55,021 --> 00:32:56,021 for killing Pat Kimmi, 'cause 644 00:32:57,021 --> 00:32:58,021 he went to try to collect the money. 645 00:32:58,021 --> 00:33:00,021 Was there an agreement at some point? 646 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:03,021 Some conversation between he and Eugene Kimmi 647 00:33:03,021 --> 00:33:04,021 to plan this murder? 648 00:33:12,021 --> 00:33:13,021 - RITA: I remember that May, 649 00:33:13,021 --> 00:33:15,021 after we had been searching for six months, 650 00:33:16,021 --> 00:33:18,021 law enforcement officers came to the door and said 651 00:33:18,021 --> 00:33:20,021 specifically the bones that they had recovered, 652 00:33:20,021 --> 00:33:24,021 they were confident that it--it was my mom's remains. 653 00:33:25,021 --> 00:33:27,021 - LARRY: It wasn't the outcome the public wanted, 654 00:33:27,021 --> 00:33:29,021 family and investigators wanted, but at least we found her. 655 00:33:30,021 --> 00:33:34,021 She was able to come home to her family. 656 00:33:34,021 --> 00:33:36,021 - TONY: To give her a proper burial like she should have had 657 00:33:36,021 --> 00:33:40,021 was a big load off of me. 658 00:33:40,021 --> 00:33:43,021 She was not just buried on somebody's farm, 659 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:47,021 she was finally being moved to a place where God wanted her. 660 00:33:51,021 --> 00:33:54,021 - LARRY: As it come the time to proceed to trial 661 00:33:54,021 --> 00:33:56,021 with what evidence we found 662 00:33:56,021 --> 00:33:57,021 linking Mr. Hollister to the case, 663 00:33:58,021 --> 00:33:59,021 along with the remains of the body, 664 00:33:59,021 --> 00:34:01,021 we felt we had a strong case for a conviction. 665 00:34:10,021 --> 00:34:12,021 - RITA: Gerry Kuckelman let us know when they would be 666 00:34:12,021 --> 00:34:13,021 bringing him in. 667 00:34:14,021 --> 00:34:16,021 We just lined up down a hallway so that he had to look 668 00:34:16,021 --> 00:34:17,021 each one of us in the face. 669 00:34:20,021 --> 00:34:23,021 - GERALD: In opening statement, I went through the evidence 670 00:34:23,021 --> 00:34:28,021 and described why the State believed that Roger Hollister 671 00:34:28,021 --> 00:34:29,021 committed this murder. 672 00:34:29,021 --> 00:34:33,021 It was kind of a preview of the facts. 673 00:34:33,021 --> 00:34:34,021 - To sit through that 674 00:34:34,021 --> 00:34:36,021 was probably one of the hardest things 675 00:34:36,021 --> 00:34:39,021 I'll ever have to do in my life, to listen to it all again-- 676 00:34:40,021 --> 00:34:43,021 everything--a lot of stuff we didn't even know. 677 00:34:47,021 --> 00:34:51,021 - GERALD: November of 2009, 678 00:34:51,021 --> 00:34:55,021 Patricia Kimmi was on her computer at her home. 679 00:34:55,021 --> 00:34:59,021 I think that Roger Hollister came to her door, 680 00:34:59,021 --> 00:35:03,021 and I think when she opened that door, a struggle ensued. 681 00:35:03,021 --> 00:35:10,021 Roger Hollister overpowered her and got her into his truck 682 00:35:10,021 --> 00:35:12,021 and left her residence with her alive. 683 00:35:14,021 --> 00:35:15,021 I think that after he went down her driveway, 684 00:35:16,021 --> 00:35:19,021 turned down the road, a very short distance, 685 00:35:19,021 --> 00:35:22,021 she somehow was able to get away. 686 00:35:22,021 --> 00:35:25,021 And he stopped that vehicle and pursued her, 687 00:35:25,021 --> 00:35:28,021 and I believe that he killed her there on the side of that road. 688 00:35:34,021 --> 00:35:37,021 He then took her body back to his farm, 689 00:35:37,021 --> 00:35:39,021 he attempted to burn that body. 690 00:35:39,021 --> 00:35:43,021 He then crushed what was left after it burnt out. 691 00:35:44,021 --> 00:35:46,021 - LARRY: Mr. Hollister was very adamant about destroying 692 00:35:46,021 --> 00:35:48,021 her body to the point that-- 693 00:35:48,021 --> 00:35:52,021 that law enforcement could possibly never find her. 694 00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:58,021 - The defense attempted to demonize Eugene Kimmi, 695 00:35:58,021 --> 00:36:01,021 which I thought played right into our theory. 696 00:36:01,021 --> 00:36:06,021 - RITA: There was evidence that Eugene and Roger had talked, 697 00:36:06,021 --> 00:36:10,021 and they talked specifically about the divorce, 698 00:36:10,021 --> 00:36:12,021 and my mom, 699 00:36:13,021 --> 00:36:17,021 and the fact that Eugene wanted her to be killed. 700 00:36:18,021 --> 00:36:21,021 - LARRY: Eugene Kimmi told me on at least two interviews 701 00:36:21,021 --> 00:36:24,021 that, uh, "Yes, I probably said those words. 702 00:36:24,021 --> 00:36:25,021 "I've not only said it to Mr. Hollister, 703 00:36:25,021 --> 00:36:27,021 I've probably said it to many people." 704 00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:29,021 He says, "I was upset over the divorce." 705 00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:34,021 But at this time, Mr. Kimmi still maintains his innocence. 706 00:36:34,021 --> 00:36:35,021 - The defense was wanting to say 707 00:36:35,021 --> 00:36:38,021 that Eugene Kimmi was responsible. 708 00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:41,021 They wanted to say that he borrowed Roger Hollister's truck 709 00:36:41,021 --> 00:36:43,021 and that he went and committed the murder, 710 00:36:43,021 --> 00:36:47,021 but they could never explain away why Roger was there 711 00:36:47,021 --> 00:36:48,021 trying to collect the money. 712 00:36:48,021 --> 00:36:51,021 - I think Roger Hollister took it upon himself 713 00:36:51,021 --> 00:36:54,021 to commit this murder without payment. 714 00:36:54,021 --> 00:36:57,021 I think he later come back after the murder was done, 715 00:36:57,021 --> 00:37:00,021 wanting his money. 716 00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:07,021 - GERALD: Roger Hollister chose to decline 717 00:37:07,021 --> 00:37:09,021 his right to testify, 718 00:37:09,021 --> 00:37:13,021 but they presented tape recordings of his conversations 719 00:37:13,021 --> 00:37:15,021 with Larry Myer, and that way he got to tell his story 720 00:37:15,021 --> 00:37:18,021 without being cross examined. 721 00:37:49,021 --> 00:37:51,021 - GERALD: The prosecution did not object 722 00:37:51,021 --> 00:37:52,021 to playing those tapes because there were five 723 00:37:52,021 --> 00:37:56,021 different conversations that contradicted each other, 724 00:37:56,021 --> 00:37:59,021 and we felt like it showed Roger as a liar. 725 00:38:04,021 --> 00:38:06,021 - It took three hours for the jury to deliberate, 726 00:38:06,021 --> 00:38:08,021 and that was a long three hours. 727 00:38:09,021 --> 00:38:12,021 - GERALD: I really felt good that the jury would-- 728 00:38:12,021 --> 00:38:16,021 would see our case and convict, and they did. 729 00:38:20,021 --> 00:38:25,021 - ♪ 730 00:38:25,021 --> 00:38:26,021 - LARRY: Was a big relief for the family, 731 00:38:26,021 --> 00:38:29,021 the investigators, the prosecution, 732 00:38:29,021 --> 00:38:31,021 the whole community. 733 00:38:31,021 --> 00:38:35,021 - It felt fantastic to be able to get a guilty verdict on it. 734 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:37,021 - GERALD: He was convicted of capital murder, 735 00:38:38,021 --> 00:38:43,021 which carries the possibility of a death penalty in Kansas. 736 00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:47,021 The Kimmi children did not want us to pursue the death penalty 737 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:52,021 because Patricia Kimmi was a Right to Life advocate. 738 00:38:52,021 --> 00:38:56,021 - RITA: We had specifically not wanted him 739 00:38:56,021 --> 00:38:58,021 to have the death penalty. 740 00:38:58,021 --> 00:39:01,021 That's not something that my mom would have wanted. 741 00:39:05,021 --> 00:39:08,021 - TONY: Closure is not a word for our family because there-- 742 00:39:08,021 --> 00:39:09,021 there will never be closure. 743 00:39:09,021 --> 00:39:12,021 All of us hope that eventually Eugene Kimmi 744 00:39:12,021 --> 00:39:14,021 will be brought up on charges and convicted. 745 00:39:14,021 --> 00:39:17,021 We believe he was involved. 746 00:39:17,021 --> 00:39:19,021 I think in his own mind, he knows he's involved. 747 00:39:22,021 --> 00:39:23,021 - RITA: You have to think back and be grateful 748 00:39:23,021 --> 00:39:26,021 for every little thing. 749 00:39:27,021 --> 00:39:30,021 You--you hold on to those people who have taken care of you, 750 00:39:30,021 --> 00:39:34,021 and then you need to pass it on to whoever you can. 751 00:39:34,021 --> 00:39:36,021 That is the only way you-- 752 00:39:36,021 --> 00:39:39,021 you don't let evil win, I believe. 753 00:39:39,021 --> 00:39:42,021 So, I hope that has-- has made her proud of us. 754 00:39:47,021 --> 00:39:53,021 - 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