1 00:00:00,626 --> 00:00:02,501 - ♪MTV ♪ 2 00:00:02,501 --> 00:00:05,375 ♪♪ 3 00:00:05,375 --> 00:00:06,834 - You do need to slow down a little bit. 4 00:00:06,834 --> 00:00:09,626 - I feel like I'm living the life that I'm happy with living. 5 00:00:09,626 --> 00:00:11,876 - But as long as we're your parents, we have this. 6 00:00:11,876 --> 00:00:14,667 Remember that. - Okay, Dad. 7 00:00:14,667 --> 00:00:16,125 - We got this in the mail. 8 00:00:16,125 --> 00:00:17,792 No death certificate record found 9 00:00:17,792 --> 00:00:19,876 in the name of Billy O'Toole. This is crazy. 10 00:00:19,876 --> 00:00:21,918 How do you not have a death certificate on file? 11 00:00:21,918 --> 00:00:23,959 - All right, so I got the death certificate. 12 00:00:23,959 --> 00:00:25,292 -Oh, you did? - Yeah. 13 00:00:25,292 --> 00:00:26,792 As far as the cause of death, it says, 14 00:00:26,792 --> 00:00:29,375 "Immediate cause pending further studies." 15 00:00:29,375 --> 00:00:32,209 - The reason why we came here last minute is 'cause 16 00:00:32,209 --> 00:00:36,584 the government used my dad to get to Jackie and Allie. 17 00:00:36,584 --> 00:00:42,167 So now he's working to reopen that case. 18 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:44,834 - You betrayed your family, yes. 19 00:00:44,834 --> 00:00:47,667 Yes, everybody will know that. 20 00:00:52,626 --> 00:00:55,083 (phone line trilling) 21 00:00:55,083 --> 00:00:55,999 - My mom is missing. 22 00:00:55,999 --> 00:01:00,125 I'm worried, and I have no idea where she is. 23 00:01:00,999 --> 00:01:02,542 - Hello? 24 00:01:02,542 --> 00:01:04,375 Where are you? 25 00:01:04,375 --> 00:01:07,709 - My dad's medication intake is becoming too much. 26 00:01:07,709 --> 00:01:09,209 And we already had that one slip-up. 27 00:01:09,209 --> 00:01:10,834 - I need for you to take care of yourself, 28 00:01:10,834 --> 00:01:13,751 because this kid right here, you're his (bleep) everything. 29 00:01:13,751 --> 00:01:16,876 I need you to be okay for him. - One day at a time, G. 30 00:01:16,876 --> 00:01:20,209 - We need (bleep) help, seriously, with this. 31 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:22,584 - ♪ One day I'm gonna die ♪ 32 00:01:22,584 --> 00:01:27,918 ♪ I'll take you all with me ♪ 33 00:01:29,547 --> 00:01:33,962 ♪♪ 34 00:01:35,962 --> 00:01:38,630 - So everything's good? - Yeah, everything's good. 35 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:39,922 - I miss you! 36 00:01:39,922 --> 00:01:43,422 - (grunting) 37 00:01:43,422 --> 00:01:44,547 - What happened? 38 00:01:44,547 --> 00:01:46,505 - (grunting) - Come here! 39 00:01:46,505 --> 00:01:47,839 What happened? 40 00:01:47,839 --> 00:01:49,380 Why you holding your face? 41 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:51,464 - I just hit the pole with my eye. 42 00:01:51,464 --> 00:01:53,213 - What do you mean you hit the pole with your eye? 43 00:01:53,213 --> 00:01:54,714 The pole don't move, only you do. 44 00:01:54,714 --> 00:01:56,130 - I was running and I-- - Come here. 45 00:01:56,130 --> 00:02:00,422 - He was racing with some kid and he fell and hit the pole. 46 00:02:00,422 --> 00:02:02,005 - You're like a goofball. 47 00:02:02,005 --> 00:02:04,714 Me bein' like a kid that's been through some (bleep) 48 00:02:04,714 --> 00:02:06,255 in the street and I've been through a lot, 49 00:02:06,255 --> 00:02:07,881 and this, this, and that, I remember telling God 50 00:02:07,881 --> 00:02:11,172 that one night like, God, I said, I'm gonna live 51 00:02:11,172 --> 00:02:12,422 and I'm gonna get my lift straight 52 00:02:12,422 --> 00:02:14,088 for not only me but for my siblings 53 00:02:14,088 --> 00:02:15,881 like my little brother and sister. 54 00:02:15,881 --> 00:02:16,839 I love them to death. 55 00:02:16,839 --> 00:02:20,130 I would give literally anything to go back to like this age, 56 00:02:20,130 --> 00:02:22,005 like (bleep) running around at the park and (bleep). 57 00:02:22,005 --> 00:02:24,338 - Right? Not having to worry about (bleep). 58 00:02:24,338 --> 00:02:27,130 - Yeah. - Christian! 59 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:28,422 Look! I am king! 60 00:02:28,422 --> 00:02:30,962 - But how's he doing anyway, your father? 61 00:02:30,962 --> 00:02:33,213 - He's good. Same (bleep). 62 00:02:33,213 --> 00:02:34,672 Now they gotta do a radiation. 63 00:02:34,672 --> 00:02:38,630 You know, we don't want him to get too caught up on this medication. 64 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:40,962 He feels confident. He's thinking like, 65 00:02:40,962 --> 00:02:43,464 he wants to do the right thing and he wants to be good 66 00:02:43,464 --> 00:02:45,422 and be straight and (bleep), you know? 67 00:02:45,422 --> 00:02:47,589 But you can only help somebody... 68 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:48,589 (both) So much. 69 00:02:48,589 --> 00:02:51,088 - Between (bleep) him, how he was before jail, 70 00:02:51,088 --> 00:02:52,589 comes home, all this (bleep) goin' on, 71 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:54,338 I can't wait to just wrap all this (bleep) up. 72 00:02:54,338 --> 00:02:57,255 Can't wait till he starts working, does his own thing. 73 00:02:57,255 --> 00:02:59,172 - Right. - I just can't keep (bleep) with him. 74 00:02:59,172 --> 00:03:00,422 - You can't, Chris. I told you. 75 00:03:00,422 --> 00:03:02,213 I'm glad you see it for yourself. 76 00:03:02,213 --> 00:03:03,130 I'm glad you see that. 77 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:04,922 - I'm definitely thankful for my mom. 78 00:03:04,922 --> 00:03:06,839 She got two other kids to worry about, 79 00:03:06,839 --> 00:03:09,088 but my mother's definitely stepping up 80 00:03:09,088 --> 00:03:10,505 and playing a big part in all this. 81 00:03:10,505 --> 00:03:12,881 She helps a lot, you know, 'cause she knows my dad. 82 00:03:12,881 --> 00:03:14,589 You know, she calls him up, checks on him, 83 00:03:14,589 --> 00:03:16,589 makes sure he's okay, make sure I'm okay. 84 00:03:16,589 --> 00:03:18,714 I tell her more (bleep). You know, we're close. 85 00:03:18,714 --> 00:03:20,088 You know, closer than we ever been. 86 00:03:20,088 --> 00:03:22,962 - Chris, you have a whole life you have to live. 87 00:03:22,962 --> 00:03:24,422 - I know. - It's your father. 88 00:03:24,422 --> 00:03:27,338 Granted, you wanna be there for him, I get it. 89 00:03:27,338 --> 00:03:32,547 But, Chris, you got the (bleep) world by your balls. 90 00:03:36,464 --> 00:03:40,881 ♪♪ 91 00:03:44,922 --> 00:03:48,839 - I spoke to Xavier on the phone, finally. 92 00:03:48,839 --> 00:03:51,962 And, um, he's still in the same predicament. 93 00:03:51,962 --> 00:03:54,922 - What is he-- he's in the hole? 94 00:03:54,922 --> 00:03:55,881 - He's still in the hole. 95 00:03:55,881 --> 00:03:57,797 He's still "waiting for a transfer." 96 00:03:57,797 --> 00:04:00,338 Yet he hasn't gotten in trouble for anything. 97 00:04:00,338 --> 00:04:01,839 If he's in there, number one, 98 00:04:01,839 --> 00:04:05,839 it's not looking good for us trying to file a motion 99 00:04:05,839 --> 00:04:06,962 to be able to get him home. 100 00:04:06,962 --> 00:04:09,962 - Right, of course. He's sitting in the SHU. 101 00:04:09,962 --> 00:04:12,255 - Xavier right now is in the SHU, 102 00:04:12,255 --> 00:04:13,881 which is the special housing unit. 103 00:04:13,881 --> 00:04:17,505 He has limited communication to myself, 104 00:04:17,505 --> 00:04:19,922 to his family, to his lawyer. 105 00:04:19,922 --> 00:04:22,213 His case for some reason, is just-- 106 00:04:22,213 --> 00:04:24,213 we just keep hittin' a brick wall. 107 00:04:24,213 --> 00:04:25,630 And not just in the courts, 108 00:04:25,630 --> 00:04:28,797 but also what he's going through in the prison system. 109 00:04:28,797 --> 00:04:30,962 - So let's say he gets out of the SHU, 110 00:04:30,962 --> 00:04:33,589 because the attorney's now gonna fight for him 111 00:04:33,589 --> 00:04:34,464 to get out of the SHU. 112 00:04:34,464 --> 00:04:36,338 What's important in other documents 113 00:04:36,338 --> 00:04:38,962 that you highlight that I could look out for 114 00:04:38,962 --> 00:04:40,464 that is important for his case? 115 00:04:40,464 --> 00:04:42,962 - When he's saying there's 200-and-something cases, 116 00:04:42,962 --> 00:04:44,962 like I feel like I have to find something. 117 00:04:44,962 --> 00:04:48,505 - I'm ready to do some searching. 118 00:04:52,962 --> 00:04:55,963 - You have to find the exact case. 119 00:04:57,962 --> 00:05:00,505 Order granting compassionate release, 120 00:05:00,505 --> 00:05:02,255 default Johnson. 121 00:05:02,255 --> 00:05:04,422 - Hold on now. 122 00:05:04,422 --> 00:05:07,297 Right here. United States vs Johnson. 123 00:05:07,297 --> 00:05:08,338 Download your PDF. 124 00:05:08,338 --> 00:05:09,922 - United States vs Johnson. 125 00:05:09,922 --> 00:05:12,630 - This was originally sentenced for covered defense 126 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:14,755 and is therefore eligible for relief 127 00:05:14,755 --> 00:05:18,589 under section 404 of the First Step Act. 128 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,962 I'm reading into other cases that had the same charges 129 00:05:23,962 --> 00:05:25,380 and were released. 130 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:26,881 When I see things like this, 131 00:05:26,881 --> 00:05:28,338 it makes me wanna fight harder. 132 00:05:28,338 --> 00:05:31,755 - And here's where he's saying, in the Johnson case, 133 00:05:31,755 --> 00:05:32,962 when it went to the courts of appeal, 134 00:05:32,962 --> 00:05:34,963 The courts of appeal ruled in his favor. 135 00:05:34,963 --> 00:05:37,839 - Right, 'cause the Johnson case, the guy got out. 136 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 - Yes. The bottom line here is, 137 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,505 the Johnson case is a covered offense. 138 00:05:41,505 --> 00:05:45,672 - Now you could forward both of these over to my aunt Jo 139 00:05:45,672 --> 00:05:48,380 and tell her to use this in your defense, 140 00:05:48,380 --> 00:05:49,130 where he stayed at. 141 00:05:49,130 --> 00:05:51,338 I mean I could point out things in this case already 142 00:05:51,338 --> 00:05:57,505 that-- that could be used in Xavier's defense. 143 00:06:03,962 --> 00:06:08,422 ♪♪ 144 00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:18,589 - We make enough? - We have enough for four? 145 00:06:18,589 --> 00:06:19,881 - Yeah. - This is heartbreaking 146 00:06:19,881 --> 00:06:21,547 to my children that Billy's not here 147 00:06:21,547 --> 00:06:23,338 for the birth of his grandchildren. 148 00:06:23,338 --> 00:06:25,547 Billy's not here for birthdays, for holidays. 149 00:06:25,547 --> 00:06:27,962 He has another generation that he brought into this world. 150 00:06:27,962 --> 00:06:29,962 Me and him together, we brought our children in, 151 00:06:29,962 --> 00:06:31,714 and now our children are bringing children in. 152 00:06:31,714 --> 00:06:35,755 And whatever happened that night, he's not here for that, 153 00:06:35,755 --> 00:06:37,547 and that's-- that's terrible. 154 00:06:37,547 --> 00:06:39,962 - What's it like growing up without siblings? 155 00:06:39,962 --> 00:06:42,714 Compared to like-- like being here, crazy, right? 156 00:06:42,714 --> 00:06:43,962 So many personalities. - Never imagined. 157 00:06:43,962 --> 00:06:45,505 - There's always something goin' on. 158 00:06:45,505 --> 00:06:47,005 - What I've learned from coming from a big family 159 00:06:47,005 --> 00:06:49,797 is that you fight hard but you love harder. 160 00:06:49,797 --> 00:06:51,088 You know what I'm saying? Me and Taylor, 161 00:06:51,088 --> 00:06:53,589 we could have a brawl. The next day, you know, 162 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:56,714 we're hugging and we're loving each other. 163 00:06:56,714 --> 00:06:58,505 I'm sorry. 164 00:06:58,505 --> 00:06:59,962 - Aww. 165 00:06:59,962 --> 00:07:01,464 - Never hold a grudge. - No. 166 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:02,962 - You can never hold a grudge. - No. 167 00:07:02,962 --> 00:07:04,672 - You'll die with holding that grudge 168 00:07:04,672 --> 00:07:06,046 and you'll never be able to forgive yourself 169 00:07:06,046 --> 00:07:07,547 for even holding it. - Right. 170 00:07:07,547 --> 00:07:09,547 Life can change for the worst in a minute. 171 00:07:09,547 --> 00:07:10,672 You don't know. - Be grateful. 172 00:07:10,672 --> 00:07:13,130 - Be grateful for right now. You know, we've been through 173 00:07:13,130 --> 00:07:14,922 a lot, but you know what? We got through it 174 00:07:14,922 --> 00:07:17,630 because we had each other. - After Daddy passed away, 175 00:07:17,630 --> 00:07:19,962 if we sat there and just dwelled on it every single day, 176 00:07:19,962 --> 00:07:23,088 we'd be sittin' here today like, oh, look how much time passes. 177 00:07:23,088 --> 00:07:24,672 How much time did I waste? 178 00:07:24,672 --> 00:07:25,922 - Listen, the private investigator 179 00:07:25,922 --> 00:07:31,881 wasn't willing to help us with what happened with Daddy that night. 180 00:07:31,881 --> 00:07:32,297 - Right. 181 00:07:32,297 --> 00:07:35,005 - The year that my dad passed, I kinda healed myself, 182 00:07:35,005 --> 00:07:37,962 So I had mixed emotions about a private investigator 183 00:07:37,962 --> 00:07:40,589 because I really didn't wanna relive the situation, 184 00:07:40,589 --> 00:07:43,714 but the private investigator didn't really go anywhere, 185 00:07:43,714 --> 00:07:44,714 he didn't really help us, 186 00:07:44,714 --> 00:07:46,213 and we still don't have solid evidence. 187 00:07:46,213 --> 00:07:48,922 It's definitely, um, a little hard. 188 00:07:48,922 --> 00:07:52,922 - We still have to wait for the medical examiner report, 189 00:07:52,922 --> 00:07:54,172 see what that says. 190 00:07:54,172 --> 00:07:56,714 We'll get to the bottom. We'll get to bottom of it. 191 00:07:56,714 --> 00:07:58,963 - I wish it was a bad dream, I really do. 192 00:07:58,963 --> 00:08:01,672 - It's not a dream, it's reality, it happened. 193 00:08:01,672 --> 00:08:04,755 You know, but we have every right to know 194 00:08:04,755 --> 00:08:05,755 what happened that night. 195 00:08:05,755 --> 00:08:08,672 Meanwhile the death certificate says "immediate cause 196 00:08:08,672 --> 00:08:09,714 pending further studies." 197 00:08:09,714 --> 00:08:11,839 We don't know what happened that night yet. 198 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,505 We know that things aren't true. 199 00:08:17,962 --> 00:08:20,962 - You know who Allie Persico is. 200 00:08:20,962 --> 00:08:24,172 - You believe he should be out? 201 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:26,963 - I'm actually gonna go see Xavier at the end of the month. 202 00:08:26,963 --> 00:08:28,505 - He was in solitary confinement. 203 00:08:28,505 --> 00:08:33,962 I think it really took a mental and emotional toll on him. 204 00:08:38,088 --> 00:08:39,714 -He's definitely not in Moscow. 205 00:08:39,714 --> 00:08:42,005 He's here and he's gonna stay here. 206 00:08:42,005 --> 00:08:43,630 - I don't feel good. 207 00:08:43,630 --> 00:08:44,255 - What's that? 208 00:08:44,255 --> 00:08:45,962 - The actual autopsy report. 209 00:08:45,962 --> 00:08:47,962 - Wait, what'd it say, cause of death? 210 00:08:47,962 --> 00:08:50,922 - No way. - What'd I say? 211 00:08:54,032 --> 00:08:58,036 ♪♪ 212 00:09:10,949 --> 00:09:13,251 - How was your trip? You're finally back. 213 00:09:13,318 --> 00:09:15,353 - Yeah. It was very good. 214 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:17,322 Very good. - You feel more relaxed now? 215 00:09:17,389 --> 00:09:20,959 - Yes, because, you know, after I meet with Seva... 216 00:09:21,026 --> 00:09:23,528 - Mm-hmm. - ...and talk with your father, 217 00:09:23,595 --> 00:09:25,063 I was so upset. 218 00:09:29,835 --> 00:09:32,537 You betrayed your family, Boris. 219 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:37,008 - So I need just get away. 220 00:09:37,075 --> 00:09:39,077 - Yeah, but how do you just drop everything and go? 221 00:09:39,144 --> 00:09:40,779 I don't understand. 222 00:09:40,846 --> 00:09:44,683 - Because I was in depression after talking to your father. 223 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:46,485 You understand? - Yeah. 224 00:09:46,551 --> 00:09:48,954 - You know I was always strong, right? 225 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:51,323 And now I feel like, you know, 226 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:53,992 I have no energy no more. 227 00:09:54,059 --> 00:09:57,062 When I talk to him, I feel like he's sucking my blood. 228 00:09:57,129 --> 00:09:59,264 - He's been sucking your blood for a very long time. 229 00:09:59,331 --> 00:10:03,568 I don't understand why-- what took you so long to realize that. 230 00:10:03,635 --> 00:10:07,739 We need to go to Moscow with the divorce papers, 231 00:10:07,806 --> 00:10:10,575 you sit down, we'll talk to him, and that's it. 232 00:10:10,642 --> 00:10:13,945 - Okay, because it can go like this no more. 233 00:10:14,012 --> 00:10:16,148 - At this point, from the conversation 234 00:10:16,281 --> 00:10:18,383 that my mom had with Boris, it looks like 235 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:23,155 we're gonna have to go to Russia to-- to sign the divorce papers 236 00:10:23,288 --> 00:10:26,358 because we don't even know when he's gonna come down to New York. 237 00:10:26,425 --> 00:10:30,695 Both parties need to be there to sign the divorce papers. 238 00:10:30,762 --> 00:10:33,398 That's why I think it's better off for us 239 00:10:33,465 --> 00:10:36,301 to just fly down to him. 240 00:10:36,334 --> 00:10:38,003 - Right, absolutely. 241 00:10:39,838 --> 00:10:43,442 I always wanted you become good friends. 242 00:10:43,508 --> 00:10:45,711 Like father and son. - I understand. 243 00:10:45,777 --> 00:10:47,312 But I don't need him for anything. 244 00:10:47,312 --> 00:10:50,048 - I tell the truth, he not deserve son like you. 245 00:10:50,115 --> 00:10:52,684 - Yeah, that's why you need to listen to me. 246 00:10:52,751 --> 00:10:54,786 - And you need to listen to me. 247 00:10:54,853 --> 00:10:57,689 - Mm-hmm. - He wants to be alone. 248 00:10:57,756 --> 00:10:59,658 He don't wanna have a family. 249 00:10:59,725 --> 00:11:04,329 He have the best family and he lost it. 250 00:11:04,396 --> 00:11:07,666 He lost his family. 251 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:10,369 - Maybe one day he'll understand and realize that. 252 00:11:10,435 --> 00:11:12,838 - Yeah. - So, please, no more surprises. 253 00:11:12,904 --> 00:11:14,740 Can't just leave last minute. 254 00:11:14,806 --> 00:11:16,875 I'll work with you so we can plan this trip 255 00:11:16,942 --> 00:11:18,710 and go to Russia and just get everything done. 256 00:11:18,777 --> 00:11:20,579 - And start new life without him. 257 00:11:20,645 --> 00:11:23,048 - That too. - Okay. 258 00:11:35,127 --> 00:11:39,197 - Today, I'm mainly here just to, you know, for support. 259 00:11:39,297 --> 00:11:40,766 Like both of y'all. 260 00:11:40,832 --> 00:11:43,135 I wanna make sure that you both have the room 261 00:11:43,201 --> 00:11:45,103 to really say what you need to say. 262 00:11:47,305 --> 00:11:48,840 Hello again, Dana. - Hi. 263 00:11:48,907 --> 00:11:50,542 - Hello, beautiful. - Oh, this is so crazy. 264 00:11:50,609 --> 00:11:52,644 - I know. - No, it's not. 265 00:11:52,711 --> 00:11:54,513 It's not crazy. - A little bit. Hi. 266 00:11:54,579 --> 00:11:57,249 - Mmm. 267 00:11:57,282 --> 00:11:58,517 Thank you for coming. 268 00:11:58,583 --> 00:11:59,951 - A little shaky. Hi. 269 00:12:00,018 --> 00:12:03,555 - Don't be shaky. Come on, take your coat off. 270 00:12:03,622 --> 00:12:05,023 Please. 271 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:06,858 - Wait. Thanks. 272 00:12:06,925 --> 00:12:10,996 - Sit, baby girl. Sit, baby girl. 273 00:12:11,063 --> 00:12:13,799 - I'm a little still shocked, so I don't-- 274 00:12:13,865 --> 00:12:16,168 - Look, you're safe here. You know that. 275 00:12:16,268 --> 00:12:17,836 I'm your brother. 276 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:19,604 - Yeah. 277 00:12:19,671 --> 00:12:22,607 - I am so sorry I stood away for so long. 278 00:12:22,674 --> 00:12:25,677 - Well... hindsight, right? 279 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:29,014 - Yeah, I let silly fears keep me away. 280 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:33,518 - So what was the reason to come to New York? 281 00:12:33,585 --> 00:12:37,956 - Um, I needed to come see my lawyer. 282 00:12:38,023 --> 00:12:41,159 Um, let me-- I-- Not to-- 283 00:12:41,293 --> 00:12:42,994 - I gave her a little background-- 284 00:12:43,061 --> 00:12:45,063 - Yeah, but not-- not to-- 285 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:47,899 I don't want to bypass what we're talking about. 286 00:12:47,966 --> 00:12:49,935 You know who Allie Persico is. 287 00:12:51,136 --> 00:12:53,105 Well, his lawyer reached out to me. 288 00:12:53,238 --> 00:12:56,508 He wanted to know if I would be able 289 00:12:56,575 --> 00:13:01,913 to help them possibly get a retrial. 290 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:05,117 - Knowing what you know about him, aside from Daddy, 291 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:08,019 do you believe he should be out? 292 00:13:10,489 --> 00:13:11,990 - I'm gonna say yes. 293 00:13:12,057 --> 00:13:14,059 - And you would help facilitate that? 294 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:17,129 - Just try to advocate a little bit. 295 00:13:17,262 --> 00:13:22,968 - Look, I'm all for people not being in prison and being free, 296 00:13:23,035 --> 00:13:26,405 but considering the circumstances, 297 00:13:26,471 --> 00:13:29,541 I just don't know why energy would be put towards that, 298 00:13:29,608 --> 00:13:33,445 especially considering that we live in New York. 299 00:13:33,512 --> 00:13:35,580 So that's not exactly an 300 00:13:35,647 --> 00:13:39,184 exciting thing to hear on our end. 301 00:13:39,284 --> 00:13:40,786 - I know. 302 00:13:40,852 --> 00:13:44,923 - And to that point, you left a woman and a child 303 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:49,761 to defend themselves completely right off the bat, exposed. 304 00:13:49,828 --> 00:13:53,265 And that risk, my mom dealt with a lot. 305 00:13:53,331 --> 00:13:55,834 - I know. - When my brother Billy 306 00:13:55,901 --> 00:13:57,569 went into Witness Protection, 307 00:13:57,636 --> 00:14:02,541 he was not there to help us, to make sure we were okay. 308 00:14:02,607 --> 00:14:04,309 It felt like we were just abandoned. 309 00:14:04,376 --> 00:14:07,112 Me and my mom were in a lot of dangerous situations 310 00:14:07,245 --> 00:14:10,615 at that point, so to forgive what happened, 311 00:14:10,682 --> 00:14:14,352 I don't even know if that's necessarily possible. 312 00:14:14,419 --> 00:14:17,322 To think that I had to digest a brutal murder 313 00:14:17,389 --> 00:14:21,426 at nine years old, and then people coming after us, 314 00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:25,130 it being on the news and somewhat try to lead 315 00:14:25,263 --> 00:14:28,100 a normal life and hide that at the same time, like, 316 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:30,268 the fact that this is all coming out now 317 00:14:30,268 --> 00:14:32,904 would've been nice to hear it previous. 318 00:14:32,971 --> 00:14:34,339 I doubt anything would happen 319 00:14:34,406 --> 00:14:36,608 because we hold our own, we're fine. 320 00:14:36,675 --> 00:14:39,077 But if anything did, 321 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:44,750 that would potentially weigh heavy on you, wouldn't it? 322 00:14:44,816 --> 00:14:49,020 Yeah, so... a point to consider. 323 00:14:49,087 --> 00:14:51,823 - I want you guys to be left alone. 324 00:14:51,890 --> 00:14:54,025 - We are right now. (chuckles) 325 00:14:54,092 --> 00:14:57,863 Currently. - I am going nowhere now. 326 00:14:57,929 --> 00:14:59,364 I will be here. 327 00:14:59,431 --> 00:15:01,800 - There's a lot of emotions happening right now. 328 00:15:01,867 --> 00:15:05,103 So I mean I will be able to speak more, 329 00:15:05,237 --> 00:15:07,939 you know, as time goes on, but I do appreciate 330 00:15:08,006 --> 00:15:10,976 the fact that we're able to even talk and sit down. 331 00:15:11,043 --> 00:15:12,577 This has been really crazy. 332 00:15:12,644 --> 00:15:15,113 - Thank you for coming. - Yeah. 333 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:16,415 Okay. 334 00:15:16,481 --> 00:15:19,651 It's crazy even saying good-bye to all of us. 335 00:15:19,718 --> 00:15:20,852 - It's more like "see you later." 336 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:22,254 I'll be back. - Yeah, okay. 337 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,023 I'm trying to not leave with anger. 338 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:27,726 I still have a lot of it inside. 339 00:15:27,793 --> 00:15:30,095 Thank you for reaching out. 340 00:15:30,162 --> 00:15:33,832 I'm always open to someone acknowledging what they did, 341 00:15:33,899 --> 00:15:36,268 and I appreciate that, 'cause it takes a lot 342 00:15:36,301 --> 00:15:41,973 to be able to say it regardless, but I am wary as well. 343 00:15:52,934 --> 00:15:56,404 - ♪ Don't stop ♪ 344 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:58,105 ♪ Running ♪ 345 00:15:58,172 --> 00:16:01,509 ♪♪ 346 00:16:01,576 --> 00:16:02,843 - Hey! - Hi. 347 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:05,546 - Good seeing you. - Nice to see you. 348 00:16:05,613 --> 00:16:07,515 So I wanted to give you some updates 349 00:16:07,582 --> 00:16:09,083 about Xavier's case... - Okay. 350 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:12,320 - ...and where we are. You know, last time we spoke, 351 00:16:12,386 --> 00:16:14,889 he was in solitary confinement. - Yes. 352 00:16:14,956 --> 00:16:17,658 It was three months... - That is a horrific amount 353 00:16:17,725 --> 00:16:19,927 of time to be in solitary confinement. 354 00:16:19,994 --> 00:16:21,963 - Right. - And I think it really took 355 00:16:22,029 --> 00:16:24,699 a mental and emotional toll on him. 356 00:16:24,765 --> 00:16:27,902 Picture yourself in a small closet 357 00:16:27,969 --> 00:16:30,972 with no windows, with only a door, 358 00:16:31,038 --> 00:16:34,308 and it's all metal and all concrete. 359 00:16:34,375 --> 00:16:38,880 You have no pillow, no blanket, no mattress, 360 00:16:38,946 --> 00:16:40,848 no heat that you control. 361 00:16:40,915 --> 00:16:44,919 And you have no idea when you're going to get out. 362 00:16:44,986 --> 00:16:49,323 So that really motivates me to make sure 363 00:16:49,390 --> 00:16:52,627 that Xavier's life isn't spent as a fossil. 364 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,630 - Thank God. I mean, you definitely, 365 00:16:55,763 --> 00:16:59,433 you know, were there throughout the whole lockdown, 366 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:00,801 and now he's out. - Yeah. 367 00:17:00,868 --> 00:17:02,270 - Thank you for fighting for that. 368 00:17:02,336 --> 00:17:04,171 - Yeah, you know, it was a fight to get that done. 369 00:17:04,238 --> 00:17:05,973 - Yes. - But we're not-- 370 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,143 we're not giving up. I was like, no, you know? 371 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:10,778 I need to be able to talk to him. 372 00:17:10,811 --> 00:17:12,280 - Like seeing that there are other cases 373 00:17:12,346 --> 00:17:14,315 that are coming out with the same charges 374 00:17:14,382 --> 00:17:16,517 that he has have been released from prison. 375 00:17:16,584 --> 00:17:18,619 Where do we go from here? - If he were standing 376 00:17:18,686 --> 00:17:22,189 in front of a judge today, the likelihood that he would 377 00:17:22,256 --> 00:17:25,026 receive a life sentence is very slim. 378 00:17:25,092 --> 00:17:27,895 So we talked about some new bills that are 379 00:17:27,962 --> 00:17:29,797 winding their way through Congress. 380 00:17:29,797 --> 00:17:31,332 - Right. - Particularly the one 381 00:17:31,399 --> 00:17:33,334 that would eliminate the disparity 382 00:17:33,401 --> 00:17:36,604 or the difference between crack and powder sentences. 383 00:17:36,671 --> 00:17:37,905 - Right. 384 00:17:37,972 --> 00:17:41,642 - Xavier's life sentence is based upon 385 00:17:41,709 --> 00:17:43,911 this unscientific idea 386 00:17:43,978 --> 00:17:46,414 that crack is more serious than powder. 387 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,518 But you can't make crack without powder, right? 388 00:17:50,585 --> 00:17:53,521 And the first response was putting people in prison 389 00:17:53,588 --> 00:17:56,524 for a very long time, having unfair crack laws 390 00:17:56,591 --> 00:18:00,094 that disproportionately affect Black and brown people. 391 00:18:00,161 --> 00:18:03,898 And so how we got here is from a failed and flawed 392 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:06,634 public health response to a real problem. 393 00:18:06,767 --> 00:18:09,370 - I'm actually gonna go see Xavier at the end of the month. 394 00:18:09,437 --> 00:18:12,607 For me, it's important to go, because I think visits 395 00:18:12,673 --> 00:18:15,776 and just keeping him motivated and stuff... 396 00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:17,311 - Yeah, yeah, no. 397 00:18:17,378 --> 00:18:20,214 You're nourishing him in ways that honestly 398 00:18:20,281 --> 00:18:24,051 will keep him motivated to still fight. 399 00:18:24,118 --> 00:18:26,254 I am firmly committed to making sure 400 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,889 that he does not die in prison, 401 00:18:27,955 --> 00:18:30,524 and that's the energy I'm moving with. 402 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:40,034 ♪♪ 403 00:18:48,976 --> 00:18:51,746 (phone buzzing) 404 00:18:51,812 --> 00:18:53,147 - Hello? 405 00:18:54,949 --> 00:18:56,284 - What's up? What's goin' on? 406 00:18:57,818 --> 00:18:59,253 - So what happened today? 407 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,489 Today was his last one, right? His last radiation. 408 00:19:15,636 --> 00:19:18,506 - That's what they said? 409 00:19:18,573 --> 00:19:22,143 God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers. 410 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:24,545 I didn't know I was this strong 'cause it just keeps happening. 411 00:19:24,612 --> 00:19:28,349 So for right now, news like that is definitely good. 412 00:19:28,416 --> 00:19:30,184 I'd rather hear that than anything else. 413 00:19:30,251 --> 00:19:31,986 But there could always still be something going on. 414 00:19:32,053 --> 00:19:33,554 This doesn't mean it's over. Listen. 415 00:19:33,621 --> 00:19:35,489 I'm gonna feel better when they get a few more visits in 416 00:19:35,556 --> 00:19:38,492 and they definitely confirm him that he's 100% cancer-free. 417 00:19:49,971 --> 00:19:52,240 - So he's good? So he's saying he's looking good, right? 418 00:19:52,306 --> 00:19:55,076 And you know what, too, I don't want to get my hopes up on-- 419 00:19:55,142 --> 00:19:57,245 I mean that cancer-free thing, to hear that, 420 00:19:57,311 --> 00:19:59,180 that's a weight off everybody's shoulders. 421 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:08,256 - That's right. 422 00:20:08,322 --> 00:20:09,790 Right, I love you, Pop. Thank you. 423 00:20:09,857 --> 00:20:11,292 Tell him to call me later. 424 00:20:15,062 --> 00:20:16,497 - I will. I love you, bye. 425 00:20:18,165 --> 00:20:21,402 - It's good (bleep). 426 00:20:21,469 --> 00:20:25,473 ♪♪ 427 00:20:33,314 --> 00:20:35,783 - Wish he could see Jovie. Jovie, hey. 428 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:38,252 Jovans. Where are we? 429 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:40,087 We're coming to see Grandpa? 430 00:20:40,154 --> 00:20:44,425 We're coming to see cr-- crazy Grandpa? 431 00:20:44,492 --> 00:20:46,527 - I mean it's still, like, so surreal. 432 00:20:46,594 --> 00:20:49,597 - Look at 'em flying over us. (geese honking) 433 00:20:49,664 --> 00:20:51,332 These are the signs that I love. 434 00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:53,401 I-- this is what keeps me going, 435 00:20:53,467 --> 00:20:55,736 because anytime I bring up his name, 436 00:20:55,770 --> 00:20:59,507 he's always giving me signs he's right around. 437 00:20:59,574 --> 00:21:02,843 But... I know the baby's cold and you're cold. 438 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:06,113 I wanna take a minute for myself just to, you know, 439 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:09,984 say a little prayer and just talk to him one-on-one. 440 00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:12,520 - Okay. 441 00:21:12,587 --> 00:21:15,423 - Oh, God. 442 00:21:15,489 --> 00:21:17,992 Crazy, Dad. Really is. 443 00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:19,527 (sniffles) 444 00:21:19,594 --> 00:21:22,196 You were my go-to guy, the man I looked up to. 445 00:21:22,263 --> 00:21:24,165 I wish you were right here next to me, 446 00:21:24,232 --> 00:21:26,167 still guiding me the way you used to 447 00:21:26,234 --> 00:21:28,970 and giving me the advice that I need. 448 00:21:29,036 --> 00:21:31,038 You know I love you. - And I love you. 449 00:21:31,105 --> 00:21:32,974 - And I'm happy that I'm-- that-- 450 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,109 that I could spend the rest of my life 451 00:21:35,176 --> 00:21:36,611 with my father on good terms, 452 00:21:36,677 --> 00:21:38,312 'cause that's how I plan on doing it. 453 00:21:38,379 --> 00:21:41,449 - And I hope so, Joseph. 454 00:21:41,515 --> 00:21:44,819 - You know, you were able to understand and relate to me, 455 00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:47,521 and you're in my prayers and thoughts every single night. 456 00:21:47,588 --> 00:21:50,358 I hope you're resting in peace. I really do. 457 00:21:50,424 --> 00:21:52,260 If something did happen that night, 458 00:21:52,326 --> 00:21:55,529 I know you're rolling in your grave right beneath me. 459 00:21:55,596 --> 00:21:57,365 And that's why me, Matt, and Taylor 460 00:21:57,431 --> 00:22:01,402 are taking the steps to see what really went down that night. 461 00:22:01,469 --> 00:22:05,373 So you can finally rest in peace. 462 00:22:05,439 --> 00:22:08,442 (woman) What would you say you miss most about him? 463 00:22:08,509 --> 00:22:10,745 - Um... 464 00:22:10,811 --> 00:22:13,881 I'd probably say, uh... 465 00:22:13,948 --> 00:22:16,117 (clears throat) 466 00:22:16,183 --> 00:22:19,153 Probably just his goofy self, you know? 467 00:22:19,220 --> 00:22:22,757 He was just mad funny. 468 00:22:22,757 --> 00:22:24,458 Sorry. 469 00:22:24,525 --> 00:22:28,563 ♪♪ 470 00:22:28,629 --> 00:22:33,100 I would just miss, uh, you know, his hugs, his advice. 471 00:22:33,167 --> 00:22:35,069 Just him being here. 472 00:22:35,136 --> 00:22:38,673 ♪♪ 473 00:22:38,773 --> 00:22:40,775 (geese honking) 474 00:22:48,531 --> 00:22:49,946 ♪♪ 475 00:22:49,946 --> 00:22:52,114 (siren wailing) 476 00:22:52,114 --> 00:22:56,614 ♪♪ 477 00:22:58,865 --> 00:23:00,156 (Bills) All right, well, at the airport. 478 00:23:00,156 --> 00:23:03,739 (Billy Jr.) Guys, I thought, all in all, we had a great trip. 479 00:23:03,739 --> 00:23:04,865 (Bills) It's been a good time. 480 00:23:04,865 --> 00:23:08,406 - We accomplished what we wanted to accomplish. 481 00:23:08,406 --> 00:23:09,239 Um... 482 00:23:09,239 --> 00:23:12,781 like I said, the lawyer stuff we needed to be handled, 483 00:23:12,781 --> 00:23:13,865 that was handled. 484 00:23:13,865 --> 00:23:17,656 Um, seeing family, which was imperative. 485 00:23:17,656 --> 00:23:19,573 - So happy we got to meet her. - We made it happen. 486 00:23:19,573 --> 00:23:23,823 Yeah, rather than dreading coming to New York, 487 00:23:23,823 --> 00:23:29,364 now at least I feel that now I'm looking forward to coming back. 488 00:23:29,364 --> 00:23:32,739 And you know, me catching up with Dana, 489 00:23:32,739 --> 00:23:37,364 you catching up with Dana, it was seamless. 490 00:23:37,364 --> 00:23:40,239 For me, that's kinda great. 491 00:23:40,989 --> 00:23:43,656 (Layla) Going to New York made me a stronger person. 492 00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:47,281 I feel like my grandpa's life really did affect 493 00:23:47,281 --> 00:23:50,573 my dad's, obviously, which made a huge impact 494 00:23:50,573 --> 00:23:53,656 on everybody else's in our family, 495 00:23:53,656 --> 00:23:54,739 especially with Dana. 496 00:23:54,739 --> 00:23:55,865 The way my dad explains to me, 497 00:23:55,865 --> 00:23:57,614 she went through hell and back after that. 498 00:23:57,614 --> 00:24:00,406 How can I really say anything if I don't know 499 00:24:00,406 --> 00:24:02,906 what she went through too? 500 00:24:04,239 --> 00:24:08,656 ♪♪ 501 00:24:11,531 --> 00:24:13,531 (phone ringing) 502 00:24:13,531 --> 00:24:16,114 - Seva calling. 503 00:24:17,906 --> 00:24:19,573 Hi, Seva. 504 00:24:31,364 --> 00:24:34,698 I talked to him like a couple days ago. 505 00:24:34,698 --> 00:24:36,573 He's here and he's gonna stay here 506 00:24:36,573 --> 00:24:37,946 for like maybe a couple months. 507 00:24:37,946 --> 00:24:40,406 He's definitely not in Moscow. - When did he come? 508 00:24:40,406 --> 00:24:43,406 -I don't know, maybe a week? 509 00:24:43,406 --> 00:24:45,739 - Every time I would ask, people would say, 510 00:24:45,739 --> 00:24:47,739 "Oh, he's not coming, he's not coming, 511 00:24:47,739 --> 00:24:49,322 he's not coming," and now he came. 512 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:52,946 You know what I mean, Seva? - I can't comment, Eli. 513 00:24:52,946 --> 00:24:53,946 I can't, sorry. 514 00:24:53,946 --> 00:24:56,656 - Well, Seva, are you gonna go see him? 515 00:24:56,656 --> 00:24:59,156 - Uh, yeah, I-I could see him. 516 00:24:59,156 --> 00:24:59,947 I don't know when. 517 00:24:59,947 --> 00:25:02,406 We were planning on meeting this week. 518 00:25:02,406 --> 00:25:05,946 - Maybe we can, you know, somewhere you meet with him 519 00:25:05,946 --> 00:25:07,573 and I come. You understand? 520 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:10,946 You're not-- it's gonna be like somewhere you sitting, 521 00:25:10,946 --> 00:25:12,406 and I wanna come, you know? 522 00:25:12,406 --> 00:25:15,573 Like you don't tell him. -No, no, no, don't. 523 00:25:15,573 --> 00:25:16,656 Count me out, please, 524 00:25:16,656 --> 00:25:19,322 because that he will consider it as a trap. 525 00:25:19,322 --> 00:25:20,781 - I see. -And he will start hate me 526 00:25:20,781 --> 00:25:23,531 for the rest of his life. I don't want an enemy. 527 00:25:23,531 --> 00:25:24,781 - I understand, I understand. 528 00:25:24,781 --> 00:25:28,322 - Okay, guys, that's all I wanted to tell you. 529 00:25:28,322 --> 00:25:30,946 And so... I gotta go. 530 00:25:30,946 --> 00:25:32,946 - Okay, okay, Seva. - Bye, Seva. 531 00:25:32,946 --> 00:25:35,656 - Bye, bye. - I can't believe he's here. 532 00:25:35,656 --> 00:25:36,946 - Okay, I'm so upset right now. 533 00:25:36,946 --> 00:25:41,614 So I mean-- you know, it's like a shock for me 534 00:25:41,614 --> 00:25:44,531 that he's here. 535 00:25:44,946 --> 00:25:47,281 - So now you have to meet with him. 536 00:25:47,281 --> 00:25:51,573 - Yeah, so I need to see him and talk with him about divorce. 537 00:25:51,573 --> 00:25:53,239 We'll see what he will say 538 00:25:53,239 --> 00:25:55,865 before we're gonna go to the lawyer. 539 00:25:55,865 --> 00:25:57,946 - Okay. - Now my heart is like, 540 00:25:57,946 --> 00:26:01,239 if you hear, my God, it's beating like this. 541 00:26:01,239 --> 00:26:04,739 It's like I'm nervous, I'm telling you. 542 00:26:04,739 --> 00:26:05,656 Boom-boom-boom. 543 00:26:05,656 --> 00:26:07,946 It's like I don't feel good now. 544 00:26:07,946 --> 00:26:10,698 - Having him here, it's... it's... 545 00:26:10,698 --> 00:26:12,739 I think it's a burden on everyone. 546 00:26:12,739 --> 00:26:14,823 My mom is stressed out. 547 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,906 Um, I'm a little stressed out. 548 00:26:16,906 --> 00:26:19,947 And I'm sure, you know, there's other authorities 549 00:26:19,947 --> 00:26:22,823 that are watching, making sure that hopefully 550 00:26:22,823 --> 00:26:24,906 he'll make another stupid move. 551 00:26:24,906 --> 00:26:28,781 I think there's always someone watching him. 552 00:26:29,946 --> 00:26:31,573 I know where he's gonna be. 553 00:26:31,573 --> 00:26:32,946 He's gonna be in the park 554 00:26:32,946 --> 00:26:33,946 or he's gonna be on the boardwalk. 555 00:26:33,946 --> 00:26:36,781 So we can catch him there. - Yeah, okay. 556 00:26:36,781 --> 00:26:38,946 I hope he will willing to talk. 557 00:26:38,946 --> 00:26:40,865 - Yeah. - I'm already nervous. 558 00:26:40,865 --> 00:26:43,947 You see? - Everything's gonna be fine. 559 00:26:45,406 --> 00:26:47,489 - Okay. 560 00:26:53,124 --> 00:26:57,329 ♪♪ 561 00:27:03,335 --> 00:27:04,502 (Karen) When's the last time that you've been 562 00:27:04,569 --> 00:27:08,073 in a prison in a bit? - Ten years. 563 00:27:08,139 --> 00:27:10,742 I'm gonna have like, PTSD walking in. 564 00:27:12,811 --> 00:27:16,381 It's been forever, it's been probably since... 565 00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:18,450 who was the last person I visited? 566 00:27:18,516 --> 00:27:21,253 My dad? - Grandpa. 567 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:22,854 - Now that I've seen how long it's been 568 00:27:22,921 --> 00:27:24,823 that my mom's fighting for Xavier's freedom, 569 00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:28,693 I've been able to build my own relationship with Xavier. 570 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,228 (Karen) And it's important for me 571 00:27:30,295 --> 00:27:32,397 that Karina sees the human being 572 00:27:32,464 --> 00:27:35,267 behind just the paperwork, 573 00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:36,768 behind the phone call. 574 00:27:36,835 --> 00:27:38,770 You're actually able to look him in the eyes 575 00:27:38,837 --> 00:27:43,642 and have that interaction, people deserve that. 576 00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:47,512 ♪♪ 577 00:27:49,414 --> 00:27:50,682 (GPS system) Starting route to Bennettsville 578 00:27:50,749 --> 00:27:53,418 Federal Correctional Institution. 579 00:27:53,451 --> 00:27:56,221 - I honestly never thought at this particular time 580 00:27:56,288 --> 00:27:57,822 we wouldn't have answers, you know? 581 00:27:57,889 --> 00:27:59,991 It's like, sometimes I feel like 582 00:28:00,058 --> 00:28:01,493 we're just not going anywhere, 583 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,328 we're just stuck in the same position 584 00:28:03,428 --> 00:28:05,430 just spinning our wheels. 585 00:28:05,463 --> 00:28:08,300 I truly hope that this is the beginning 586 00:28:08,433 --> 00:28:10,101 of the end of his sentence. 587 00:28:10,168 --> 00:28:14,139 It's just how do we get that vehicle into the court 588 00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,208 to make the judge see what we see 589 00:28:16,274 --> 00:28:19,811 that he deserves a second chance at life? 590 00:28:22,614 --> 00:28:27,018 ♪♪ 591 00:28:27,085 --> 00:28:29,287 Let's go, girl. 592 00:28:29,354 --> 00:28:31,823 You ready? - Yeah. 593 00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:53,211 (foghorn blowing) 594 00:28:53,278 --> 00:28:58,483 ♪♪ 595 00:29:04,089 --> 00:29:05,557 - Let me see your belly. 596 00:29:05,624 --> 00:29:08,493 - That's a big belly. - Mm-mm-mmm! 597 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,262 - Tater-tutus! - Big belly, right? 598 00:29:10,328 --> 00:29:12,297 - Woo hoo hoo! 599 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:13,732 That's a boy right there. 600 00:29:13,798 --> 00:29:15,700 Matty! 601 00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:16,601 - Hey, Matt. 602 00:29:16,668 --> 00:29:17,936 - Look at that belly. 603 00:29:18,003 --> 00:29:20,038 - I know, we were just talking about it. 604 00:29:20,105 --> 00:29:21,907 - Brought mail. This came. 605 00:29:21,973 --> 00:29:24,342 - What's that? - Medical examiner thing. 606 00:29:24,442 --> 00:29:25,443 Daddy's report. 607 00:29:25,443 --> 00:29:26,912 The actual autopsy report. 608 00:29:26,978 --> 00:29:28,813 - Daddy's autopsy report? - Yeah. 609 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,582 Should we open it? - Go ahead. 610 00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:32,717 What was it the last time? - That was a death certificate. 611 00:29:32,784 --> 00:29:34,085 - What was the paper the PI read? 612 00:29:34,152 --> 00:29:35,587 - That was a police report. 613 00:29:35,654 --> 00:29:37,055 (Taylor) We never got the autopsy report? 614 00:29:37,122 --> 00:29:39,824 - No, this like, says everything that was in his system. 615 00:29:39,891 --> 00:29:41,993 - No way. - I don't know how to read any of this, 616 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:44,329 I don't know what any of this is gonna mean. 617 00:29:44,462 --> 00:29:46,498 ♪♪ 618 00:29:46,565 --> 00:29:47,566 - What does i-- what does it say? 619 00:29:47,632 --> 00:29:48,867 - So, we got here... 620 00:29:48,934 --> 00:29:50,535 - Wait, was it? - Cause of death? 621 00:29:50,602 --> 00:29:53,104 Hanging, suicide. 622 00:29:53,171 --> 00:29:54,973 - What'd I say? 623 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,042 What'd I say? I said it from the beginning. 624 00:29:57,108 --> 00:29:59,945 There's nothing saying there was drugs that did it. 625 00:30:00,011 --> 00:30:02,480 It was brought to my attention that he overdosed. 626 00:30:02,547 --> 00:30:04,883 I knew that that wasn't the way it was. 627 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:07,018 But because the police said it was an overdose, 628 00:30:07,085 --> 00:30:09,754 the kids and me said, okay, it was an overdose, 629 00:30:09,821 --> 00:30:11,556 but we weren't satisfied with that, 630 00:30:11,623 --> 00:30:13,258 we knew that there was more to it. 631 00:30:13,325 --> 00:30:15,060 Now the autopsy confirmed 632 00:30:15,126 --> 00:30:17,229 that Billy's passing was due to hanging. 633 00:30:17,295 --> 00:30:18,864 - There's so many different stories at this point. 634 00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:20,332 - So many different sto-- - Between the cops, 635 00:30:20,432 --> 00:30:21,733 private investigator, and now this, 636 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,101 there's so many different stories. 637 00:30:23,168 --> 00:30:24,836 (Matt) I was expecting it to say overdose, 638 00:30:24,903 --> 00:30:26,304 'cause that's what we were told the whole time. 639 00:30:26,438 --> 00:30:29,007 Even the PI told us he overdosed, 640 00:30:29,074 --> 00:30:30,442 he didn't feel nothing. 641 00:30:30,508 --> 00:30:33,645 - I called the detective who was assigned to the case, 642 00:30:33,712 --> 00:30:36,748 he knew exactly the case, it was deemed an overdose. 643 00:30:36,815 --> 00:30:38,450 There'd be nothing in that report 644 00:30:38,516 --> 00:30:41,453 that's gonna say something majorly different. 645 00:30:41,486 --> 00:30:42,821 At the end of the day, 646 00:30:42,888 --> 00:30:44,489 the cause of the death is the cause of death. 647 00:30:44,556 --> 00:30:46,591 (Matt) Meanwhile, the death certificate, 648 00:30:46,658 --> 00:30:48,660 it was empty, which was very strange to us. 649 00:30:48,727 --> 00:30:50,529 Then we get the ME report, 650 00:30:50,595 --> 00:30:52,931 and it says suicide hanging. 651 00:30:52,998 --> 00:30:54,466 So what exactly went on? 652 00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:56,067 - I didn't think hanging because 653 00:30:56,134 --> 00:30:58,403 he would've broke the beam, and his feet hit the floor. 654 00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:59,804 - Too big to be hanging himself from there. 655 00:30:59,871 --> 00:31:01,640 - Where was he found? - Sitting right here. 656 00:31:01,706 --> 00:31:03,241 - On the bucket. - So he was sitting, 657 00:31:03,308 --> 00:31:05,010 leaning forward with this tied around his neck. 658 00:31:05,076 --> 00:31:07,412 And I thought it was weird, that wire doesn't tie. 659 00:31:07,412 --> 00:31:08,547 You can't tie it. - Right. 660 00:31:08,613 --> 00:31:10,815 (Jess) For Billy to try and take 661 00:31:10,882 --> 00:31:12,417 his own life using cable wire, 662 00:31:12,417 --> 00:31:14,719 it cannot be tied into a knot and stay into a knot. 663 00:31:14,786 --> 00:31:17,789 It's just so heavy and thick, it just opens up on its own. 664 00:31:17,856 --> 00:31:19,191 What'd, he hopped up there... 665 00:31:19,257 --> 00:31:21,092 - All in the dark. - All in the dark, right. 666 00:31:21,159 --> 00:31:23,595 I keep forgetting in the pitch black. 667 00:31:25,931 --> 00:31:28,800 (Jess) He was able to go into a completely dark room, 668 00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:32,237 tie a cable wire into a knot, make it so it could, 669 00:31:32,304 --> 00:31:34,439 I guess however he supposedly hung himself, 670 00:31:34,472 --> 00:31:36,107 doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. 671 00:31:36,174 --> 00:31:38,743 - He was completely naked and one sock on. 672 00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:41,079 Now, come on, if Daddy's gonna do that, 673 00:31:41,146 --> 00:31:43,448 he's gonna not let me, you or Matthew come in the house 674 00:31:43,515 --> 00:31:44,950 and find him naked. - Find him that way, no. 675 00:31:45,016 --> 00:31:47,786 - It just doesn't make sense. - Absolutely not. 676 00:31:48,853 --> 00:31:50,488 - I feel sorry for Daddy, though. 677 00:31:50,555 --> 00:31:51,957 He's not really resting in peace 678 00:31:52,023 --> 00:31:53,825 that we're still talking on this, you know? 679 00:31:53,892 --> 00:31:55,293 - Going on two years now. 680 00:31:55,393 --> 00:31:57,762 There's no peace, there's no nothing right now. 681 00:31:57,829 --> 00:31:59,998 - It's a mystery, it really is. 682 00:32:00,065 --> 00:32:02,200 (Jess) I don't think the kids will ever find peace 683 00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:04,703 unless they find out something to make this make sense, 684 00:32:04,769 --> 00:32:05,904 'cause right now it makes no sense. 685 00:32:05,971 --> 00:32:07,138 To any of us, we have no idea 686 00:32:07,205 --> 00:32:08,540 what the hell happened that night. 687 00:32:08,607 --> 00:32:10,775 Nothing that was told to us makes sense. 688 00:32:10,842 --> 00:32:13,411 - Crazy, crazy, crazy. - Crazy. 689 00:32:13,478 --> 00:32:17,148 ♪♪ 690 00:32:21,394 --> 00:32:26,466 ♪♪ 691 00:32:29,102 --> 00:32:31,704 - Nice you here. 692 00:32:31,771 --> 00:32:33,273 (Eli) For my future, I don't wanna look 693 00:32:33,339 --> 00:32:38,378 towards my past and seeing all the negativity and drama 694 00:32:38,444 --> 00:32:42,348 and problems that my father caused for us as a family. 695 00:32:42,415 --> 00:32:44,484 So I wanna learn from all the mistakes 696 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:46,719 to make sure those mistakes don't happen. 697 00:32:46,786 --> 00:32:50,456 And to enjoy... life. - Life. 698 00:33:06,272 --> 00:33:09,576 (Angela) If he gonna give me the divorce quietly 699 00:33:09,642 --> 00:33:14,247 and he will not gonna talk about his family bad, 700 00:33:14,314 --> 00:33:15,915 everything gonna be good. 701 00:33:15,982 --> 00:33:18,551 But if something happens differently, 702 00:33:18,618 --> 00:33:21,454 it's gonna be a bomb. 703 00:33:25,491 --> 00:33:29,095 Boris. 704 00:33:29,162 --> 00:33:30,463 Boris. 705 00:33:30,463 --> 00:33:33,032 (man chuckling) 706 00:33:34,767 --> 00:33:36,970 (all speaking Russian) 707 00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:47,614 ♪♪ 708 00:33:55,255 --> 00:33:56,556 I'm the boss now. 709 00:33:56,623 --> 00:33:59,225 We change position now, 710 00:33:59,292 --> 00:34:02,161 so I'm taking over. 711 00:34:02,228 --> 00:34:03,730 That's it. 712 00:34:07,033 --> 00:34:11,037 ♪♪ 713 00:34:14,207 --> 00:34:19,045 ♪♪ 714 00:34:20,446 --> 00:34:23,116 (Billy Jr.) When the plane landed in New York, 715 00:34:23,182 --> 00:34:25,551 I felt 20 years younger. 716 00:34:25,618 --> 00:34:28,755 And it takes you back to your childhood. 717 00:34:28,821 --> 00:34:31,691 You think about it, it's like, wow. 718 00:34:31,758 --> 00:34:34,727 (deep breath) I do miss it. 719 00:34:34,794 --> 00:34:39,265 I'm excited to see where our lives are going. 720 00:34:39,332 --> 00:34:42,168 I just wanna make sure that we have that front row seat 721 00:34:42,235 --> 00:34:43,570 to watch our kids. 722 00:34:43,636 --> 00:34:45,371 (Nahla) I didn't think our life 723 00:34:45,471 --> 00:34:46,873 would be the way it is. 724 00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:48,541 It took a while for me to get to a place 725 00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:50,877 where I can slow down. 726 00:34:50,944 --> 00:34:53,146 I learned so much in the last two years, 727 00:34:53,212 --> 00:34:55,582 you know, stages of life, people go through, 728 00:34:55,648 --> 00:34:58,651 and things happen and you change. 729 00:34:58,718 --> 00:35:01,821 - It's exciting to finally not feel like 730 00:35:01,888 --> 00:35:04,958 we're surviving, but we're really all able 731 00:35:05,024 --> 00:35:08,661 to take the steps we need to start living. 732 00:35:08,728 --> 00:35:10,563 I was worried about losing control of my life, 733 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:13,533 and I feel a lot more confident 734 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,501 that I'm able to handle myself now, 735 00:35:15,535 --> 00:35:18,504 knowing that I have like, six people that I can call upon 736 00:35:18,538 --> 00:35:22,242 at any given time and know that they're gonna be there. 737 00:35:22,308 --> 00:35:24,177 - Even though this case is stressful, 738 00:35:24,244 --> 00:35:28,748 I feel like it made a lot of positive impact on my family. 739 00:35:28,815 --> 00:35:32,085 It's easier to laugh, it's easier to just talk 740 00:35:32,151 --> 00:35:34,587 and be ourselves and not have to worry, I guess, 741 00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:38,925 about what anyone has to say because we have each other. 742 00:35:38,992 --> 00:35:40,326 ♪♪ 743 00:35:43,129 --> 00:35:48,134 ♪♪ 744 00:35:51,938 --> 00:35:54,073 - We got rice balls, come on. 745 00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:56,209 Sandwiches, all these right here. 746 00:35:56,276 --> 00:35:57,877 - Ah! 747 00:35:57,944 --> 00:35:59,913 - You're spilling it on the chips! 748 00:35:59,979 --> 00:36:01,514 - That's all right. 749 00:36:01,581 --> 00:36:03,283 Nobody likes chips anyway. 750 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:04,851 - I am happy that Christian 751 00:36:04,918 --> 00:36:06,219 has a relationship with his mother. 752 00:36:06,286 --> 00:36:08,855 Regardless of what she did in the past, 753 00:36:08,922 --> 00:36:11,824 that's over and done with and he needs his mom. 754 00:36:11,891 --> 00:36:13,693 Whatever we could do, get the family together, 755 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,295 we'll do it for him. 756 00:36:15,361 --> 00:36:18,231 - Anybody that's gonna take him off my hands for a minute... 757 00:36:18,298 --> 00:36:20,800 - You're an (bleep). 758 00:36:20,867 --> 00:36:23,002 - I love this right now, literally love this right now. 759 00:36:23,069 --> 00:36:24,170 - I know, you're in your element right now. 760 00:36:24,237 --> 00:36:25,805 - Mm-hmm. - I know you are. 761 00:36:25,872 --> 00:36:27,240 That's the way it should be. 762 00:36:27,307 --> 00:36:28,975 (Gina) Listen, I've given my son 763 00:36:29,042 --> 00:36:31,144 a lot to prove myself that I am here, 764 00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:33,713 and he is opening more, he's calling me more, 765 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:35,715 and I love it, I love it. 766 00:36:35,782 --> 00:36:37,617 - Right here, like this, 767 00:36:37,684 --> 00:36:40,620 boom, boom, and then you swing through. 768 00:36:40,687 --> 00:36:44,257 Lemme see. Ooh! 769 00:36:44,324 --> 00:36:45,558 (door opens) 770 00:36:45,625 --> 00:36:47,293 - You know, my kids being around him more, 771 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,797 and then Charles being able to be around here, 772 00:36:50,863 --> 00:36:52,932 and then Big Christian, like, 773 00:36:52,999 --> 00:36:56,836 it made me happy 'cause that's all I ever wanted. 774 00:36:56,903 --> 00:36:58,371 - Charles, you did that? 775 00:36:58,471 --> 00:37:00,273 (laughter) 776 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:01,608 - How you gonna lose? 777 00:37:01,674 --> 00:37:04,010 (overlapping chatter) 778 00:37:04,077 --> 00:37:05,378 (Christian) I love my family more than 779 00:37:05,478 --> 00:37:06,579 anything in the world. 780 00:37:06,646 --> 00:37:08,014 Other than my father being sick, 781 00:37:08,081 --> 00:37:09,082 I'm always optimistic, 782 00:37:09,148 --> 00:37:10,617 I know that he's gonna get better 783 00:37:10,683 --> 00:37:12,552 he's strong as an ox, he's a fighter, 784 00:37:12,619 --> 00:37:13,953 he's gonna beat that. 785 00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:15,788 Sometimes the bad catches up with you 786 00:37:15,855 --> 00:37:17,590 and you have your little panic attacks, 787 00:37:17,657 --> 00:37:18,925 but there's always good there too. 788 00:37:18,992 --> 00:37:20,927 - The LaRoccas. - The LaRoccas now. 789 00:37:20,994 --> 00:37:23,529 (overlapping chatter) 790 00:37:23,596 --> 00:37:26,299 ♪♪ 791 00:37:29,335 --> 00:37:34,774 ♪♪ 792 00:37:35,875 --> 00:37:37,777 (Karina) Visiting Xavier, it brought back 793 00:37:37,844 --> 00:37:39,979 memories to me when I would visit my father, 794 00:37:40,046 --> 00:37:42,215 and I never really understood, but now looking back, 795 00:37:42,282 --> 00:37:45,051 it's like, to be there with him and... 796 00:37:45,118 --> 00:37:47,487 and to have a conversation meant a lot. 797 00:37:47,553 --> 00:37:49,255 (Karen) He wants to come home and live with his kids 798 00:37:49,322 --> 00:37:51,925 and make up for lost time, it's just like 799 00:37:51,991 --> 00:37:53,793 the simple things that sometimes you talk about 800 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:55,261 that you take for granted. 801 00:37:55,328 --> 00:37:58,765 It could be just walking on a beach, 802 00:37:58,831 --> 00:37:59,999 feeling sand under your feet. 803 00:38:00,066 --> 00:38:01,467 We'll talk about crazy things 804 00:38:01,534 --> 00:38:04,203 like going grocery shopping, it's the simplest thing. 805 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:06,506 He just wants to be human again 806 00:38:06,573 --> 00:38:07,740 and come home and have a life. 807 00:38:07,807 --> 00:38:10,043 ♪♪ 808 00:38:14,714 --> 00:38:19,152 ♪♪ 809 00:38:25,425 --> 00:38:28,261 - There's only one Karina. Right, Karina? 810 00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:30,563 - Exactly. - And she got your house robbed. 811 00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:33,233 - Yes! - No, I didn't get your house robbed. 812 00:38:33,299 --> 00:38:35,201 - No matter what my family has been through, 813 00:38:35,268 --> 00:38:39,472 one thing I could say is we never left each other. 814 00:38:39,539 --> 00:38:43,243 We could still get together and laugh now, and smile, 815 00:38:43,309 --> 00:38:46,279 and bond, and be able to have that love. 816 00:38:46,346 --> 00:38:48,615 (Karen) We're still so connected, we're one. 817 00:38:48,681 --> 00:38:52,318 It's something that I can say I'm blessed to have. 818 00:38:52,452 --> 00:38:55,521 - Happy birthday. - Thank you. 819 00:38:55,588 --> 00:38:58,224 You know, that word "love", it's four letters. 820 00:38:58,291 --> 00:38:59,525 It's a big word. 821 00:38:59,592 --> 00:39:01,461 We have respect for one another, 822 00:39:01,527 --> 00:39:04,197 if somebody got in trouble, we were there. 823 00:39:04,264 --> 00:39:06,299 And that's what I found with my family. 824 00:39:06,366 --> 00:39:07,467 We have children, 825 00:39:07,467 --> 00:39:09,469 we have grandchildren. 826 00:39:09,535 --> 00:39:12,305 My life was full of love. 827 00:39:12,372 --> 00:39:15,241 ♪♪ 828 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,018 ♪♪ 829 00:39:30,623 --> 00:39:32,425 - I wouldn't wanna be part of any other family 830 00:39:32,458 --> 00:39:33,760 besides the one I'm in right now. 831 00:39:33,826 --> 00:39:34,928 I love you guys. 832 00:39:34,994 --> 00:39:36,896 I love Joe, cheers to us. 833 00:39:36,963 --> 00:39:38,431 - Cheers, cheers, cheers. 834 00:39:38,464 --> 00:39:39,832 - I love my family. 835 00:39:39,899 --> 00:39:41,167 (baby cooing) 836 00:39:41,234 --> 00:39:43,202 (Jess) Me and the kids, you know, 837 00:39:43,269 --> 00:39:44,537 we're walking this path together, 838 00:39:44,604 --> 00:39:46,172 we're doing it together, and if we all just 839 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,941 come together and we respect each other, 840 00:39:48,007 --> 00:39:49,976 we'll be all right at the end of the day. 841 00:39:51,945 --> 00:39:53,346 - I'm so thankful to have you guys. 842 00:39:53,446 --> 00:39:55,715 Even now when like, just a newcoming mom, 843 00:39:55,782 --> 00:39:58,117 like, I really don't even know, I tell them all the time, 844 00:39:58,184 --> 00:39:59,485 what I would do without you. 845 00:39:59,552 --> 00:40:01,921 - That's my job. 846 00:40:01,988 --> 00:40:04,891 - A lot of chaos has went on in my life, 847 00:40:04,958 --> 00:40:07,327 and there were times where it was nonstop. 848 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:10,530 So I think for my life and the life I'm building, 849 00:40:10,597 --> 00:40:11,831 I just want calm. 850 00:40:11,898 --> 00:40:13,099 - We've been through a lot. 851 00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:14,267 As a family, we've been through a lot 852 00:40:14,334 --> 00:40:15,935 and it made us better people. 853 00:40:16,002 --> 00:40:17,904 After my dad passed, 854 00:40:17,971 --> 00:40:20,073 I kinda developed a wall with my emotions 855 00:40:20,139 --> 00:40:22,141 and the situation. 856 00:40:22,208 --> 00:40:25,011 I'm happy that I keep trying to figure it out. 857 00:40:25,078 --> 00:40:28,248 But at the same time, it's draining to 858 00:40:28,314 --> 00:40:30,450 my mental state to keep living it 859 00:40:30,516 --> 00:40:32,485 over and over again and not getting anywhere. 860 00:40:32,552 --> 00:40:36,089 ♪♪ 861 00:40:39,892 --> 00:40:43,529 (muttering) 862 00:40:43,596 --> 00:40:45,064 - Good? - Yep. 863 00:40:48,568 --> 00:40:54,841 - You know, I see my kids having kids and having family. 864 00:40:54,908 --> 00:40:57,644 - Hey. - I love them to death, 865 00:40:57,710 --> 00:41:02,515 I really hope that they're going in the right direction. 866 00:41:02,582 --> 00:41:06,819 All I want for my kids is to truly have a happy life. 867 00:41:06,886 --> 00:41:13,092 ♪♪ 868 00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:24,894 ♪♪