1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21,064 --> 00:00:25,068 -First step is make sure the air pressure is out of them, 4 00:00:25,112 --> 00:00:28,550 so they don't blow your face off when you undo the plug. 5 00:00:28,593 --> 00:00:30,856 And then, you add the dye. 6 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:33,555 It's a hypoallergenic powdered food dye. 7 00:00:33,598 --> 00:00:34,860 They used to get it from France. 8 00:00:34,904 --> 00:00:36,775 I don't know where they get it now. 9 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:39,691 It's FDA approved. 10 00:00:39,735 --> 00:00:44,479 No more mold, no more maggots in the hoses. 11 00:00:44,522 --> 00:00:47,438 At every venue, you gotta find out where the hose hook-up is. 12 00:00:47,482 --> 00:00:53,009 Sometimes it's behind the bar, under a sink. 13 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:54,793 We've had to hook them up to toilets before. 14 00:00:54,837 --> 00:00:56,491 It's... 15 00:00:56,534 --> 00:00:59,146 kind of a mess. 16 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:00,799 We've had a few mishaps. 17 00:01:00,843 --> 00:01:03,541 We've had these connections to blow off mid-show, 18 00:01:03,585 --> 00:01:06,805 and just send a geyser of blood 20 feet in the air. 19 00:01:09,373 --> 00:01:14,074 But man, people love getting spewed on, and I love doing it. 20 00:01:14,117 --> 00:01:15,553 I never really knew that I enjoyed 21 00:01:15,597 --> 00:01:19,079 just spraying people with blood as much as I do. 22 00:01:19,122 --> 00:01:25,302 ♪♪ 23 00:01:25,346 --> 00:01:31,308 -GWAR was a big body, violent, sexual theatrical rock show. 24 00:01:31,352 --> 00:01:34,703 -Basically, they are barbarian interplanetary warriors 25 00:01:34,746 --> 00:01:38,881 who play heavy metal music, and shoot various bodily fluids 26 00:01:38,924 --> 00:01:40,187 all over the audience. 27 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:41,449 That's pretty much GWAR. 28 00:01:41,492 --> 00:01:43,320 -They were the scum dogs of the universe, 29 00:01:43,364 --> 00:01:45,583 banished to the shittiest planet they could come to. 30 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:47,237 Is that -- that's the thing? 31 00:01:47,281 --> 00:01:48,847 That part seems pretty accurate. 32 00:01:48,891 --> 00:01:51,111 -It's performance art, but it's also, 33 00:01:51,154 --> 00:01:54,592 it's this performance art that doesn't take itself seriously. 34 00:01:54,636 --> 00:01:56,638 It's fucking crazy. 35 00:01:56,681 --> 00:01:59,597 -The greatest fucking metal band that ever was -- 36 00:01:59,641 --> 00:02:02,644 alien, human, otherwise. 37 00:02:02,687 --> 00:02:04,385 -What you're not seeing is what's going on 38 00:02:04,428 --> 00:02:05,821 behind that stage 39 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:07,562 that's making this whole show work. 40 00:02:07,605 --> 00:02:10,695 And it's people frantically working their asses off 41 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:12,175 the whole time. 42 00:02:12,219 --> 00:02:13,872 This bands is not just musicians. 43 00:02:13,916 --> 00:02:15,309 They're artists. 44 00:02:15,352 --> 00:02:18,094 They build and they make everything themselves. 45 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:22,881 It sounds like a really messy, mindless joke, I suppose, 46 00:02:22,925 --> 00:02:24,361 but in reality, 47 00:02:24,405 --> 00:02:28,017 it's one of the greatest social commentaries ever. 48 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:29,497 That's sort of the beauty of GWAR is, 49 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:30,846 as much as they'll say, 50 00:02:30,889 --> 00:02:32,978 "We're here to destroy the human race," 51 00:02:33,022 --> 00:02:34,850 they're actually here to save it. 52 00:02:34,893 --> 00:02:37,026 -Listen, you're gonna go, you're gonna be absolutely entertained. 53 00:02:37,069 --> 00:02:39,507 Some of the stuff may offend you, 54 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:41,552 but you gotta go in there with an open mind. 55 00:02:41,596 --> 00:02:45,382 -There's something very punk and raw about GWAR's art. 56 00:02:45,426 --> 00:02:47,689 And it's not supposed to be safe. 57 00:02:47,732 --> 00:02:50,605 It makes you feel uncomfortable. That's part of it. 58 00:02:50,648 --> 00:02:54,522 -It was a really powerful group of awesome artists 59 00:02:54,565 --> 00:02:56,437 converging at the same time. 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,483 And it was a joke, and we just kept going with it. 61 00:02:59,527 --> 00:03:03,574 It's like, joke's on everyone else, now, 30 years later. 62 00:03:03,618 --> 00:03:05,402 It's a joke with no punchline 63 00:03:05,446 --> 00:03:06,969 [Laughs] 64 00:03:07,012 --> 00:03:10,320 -The most amazing, cataclysmic rock 'n roll event 65 00:03:10,364 --> 00:03:12,235 of the century, ladies and gentlemen. 66 00:03:12,279 --> 00:03:13,715 This is GWAR. 67 00:03:13,758 --> 00:03:18,850 ♪♪ 68 00:03:18,894 --> 00:03:24,073 ♪♪ 69 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:34,388 -So, Richmond in the '80's was a conservative city, 70 00:03:34,431 --> 00:03:36,694 capital of the Confederacy. 71 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:39,262 It was dangerous. It was dirty. 72 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:41,395 -It was a good place to get your ass kicked, 73 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:42,918 especially if you were a college student, 74 00:03:42,961 --> 00:03:45,268 especially if you were an art student. 75 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:48,010 -There was a pretty happening punk scene 76 00:03:48,053 --> 00:03:51,231 that grew around the art school at VCU -- 77 00:03:51,274 --> 00:03:52,971 Virginia Commonwealth University. 78 00:03:53,015 --> 00:03:59,108 ♪♪ 79 00:03:59,151 --> 00:04:02,720 -Here in Richmond, there's a building called "the Dairy." 80 00:04:02,764 --> 00:04:04,244 It's a really bizarre building. 81 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:06,507 It has milk bottles as corners. 82 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:09,292 -The dairy was an old milk-bottling plant 83 00:04:09,336 --> 00:04:11,076 from the '20's, 84 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,036 and it had long since fallen into disuse and disrepair. 85 00:04:14,079 --> 00:04:17,518 There was junk everywhere. There was leftover machinery. 86 00:04:17,561 --> 00:04:19,215 -They wanted to gut this building. 87 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:22,479 And they used to hire a lot of artists to do shit 88 00:04:22,523 --> 00:04:25,917 like tear out the asbestos, and shit like that. 89 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:29,356 And in order to, like, keep the whole project afloat, 90 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:31,227 they rented the different chambers 91 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:35,013 of the crazy maze-like building out to local artists 92 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:37,886 and musicians, who wanted practice spaces and stuff. 93 00:04:37,929 --> 00:04:42,499 [Music plays] 94 00:04:42,543 --> 00:04:45,459 -Bands started moving in. Weird artists started moving in. 95 00:04:45,502 --> 00:04:47,635 And then, there was this whole scene there. 96 00:04:47,678 --> 00:04:49,245 -And it was illegal to live there, 97 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,856 but everyone did live there. 98 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:54,163 -And one of those early people was Hunter Jackson. 99 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:57,688 ♪♪ 100 00:04:57,732 --> 00:04:59,734 Hunter was building these weird crazy costumes 101 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:01,344 for a science fiction movie he wanted to do 102 00:05:01,388 --> 00:05:03,912 called "The Scum Dogs of the Universe." 103 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:05,348 -Yeah, I graduated. 104 00:05:05,392 --> 00:05:07,176 I have a Bachelor's Degree in Commercial Art. 105 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:09,744 But my teachers hated my art. 106 00:05:09,787 --> 00:05:14,270 I was the exact kind of student that a Commercial Art professor 107 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:18,143 does notwant in their class, and that is somebody 108 00:05:18,187 --> 00:05:22,670 that's into fucking comic books and animation. 109 00:05:22,713 --> 00:05:24,280 You know, my teachers didn't do anything 110 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:28,937 but tell me not to do what I do, and so, there you go. 111 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:32,157 -Hunter got the studio at the Dairy to make props, 112 00:05:32,201 --> 00:05:35,857 and have a set that he could just sort of more control over. 113 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:37,772 Other people in that scene found out 114 00:05:37,815 --> 00:05:40,252 about the Dairy through him, so the type of thing 115 00:05:40,296 --> 00:05:43,821 he was looking for sort of surrounded him. 116 00:05:43,865 --> 00:05:47,216 -Hunter and I first met at a friend's house. 117 00:05:47,259 --> 00:05:50,132 And we were playing D&D. 118 00:05:50,175 --> 00:05:53,614 We were into things that weren't considered high-brow. 119 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:56,573 We liked horror movies. We liked science fiction novels. 120 00:05:56,617 --> 00:05:59,837 We liked stuff that is considered schlock. 121 00:05:59,881 --> 00:06:02,927 -So, guys like me, Hunter Jackson, Shaw, 122 00:06:02,971 --> 00:06:05,408 when we got accepted to VCU, we had high-faluting ideas 123 00:06:05,452 --> 00:06:08,585 of being fantasy comic book artists. 124 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:10,413 And once we got into school, 125 00:06:10,457 --> 00:06:13,242 we realized that that shit just doesn't fly. 126 00:06:13,285 --> 00:06:16,593 If you brought a Frizetto wanna be painting into critique, 127 00:06:16,637 --> 00:06:18,726 you're getting shredded. 128 00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:20,771 -It really broke down their egos, 129 00:06:20,815 --> 00:06:23,470 and said, "The shit that you like is stupid. 130 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:24,993 "Dungeons & Dragons, 131 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,212 and Japanese live-action pictures, 132 00:06:27,256 --> 00:06:30,085 and Kiss, that stuff is stupid. 133 00:06:30,128 --> 00:06:31,478 It's not art." 134 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:34,263 -It was natural for us to get together, 135 00:06:34,306 --> 00:06:35,656 and want to do something 136 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:38,615 that really was kind of a big "fuck you" 137 00:06:38,659 --> 00:06:40,661 to the Art department. 138 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:42,227 -The movie that they started to make 139 00:06:42,271 --> 00:06:43,707 was "Scum Dogs of the Universe," 140 00:06:43,751 --> 00:06:46,667 which they wanted to be more punk rock, 141 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:48,277 and use that sort of energy -- 142 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,498 you know, fun, and not elitist and alienating. 143 00:06:51,541 --> 00:06:53,238 -I wanted my science fiction movie 144 00:06:53,282 --> 00:06:55,066 to have a punk rock soundtrack. 145 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:57,199 And I like Death Piggy's music, 146 00:06:57,242 --> 00:06:58,853 and I thought that it would work. 147 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:01,856 ♪♪ 148 00:07:01,899 --> 00:07:03,248 -As soon as you got to Richmond, 149 00:07:03,292 --> 00:07:05,686 if you were at VCU, there was a buzz. 150 00:07:05,729 --> 00:07:08,471 There was Death Piggy. 151 00:07:08,515 --> 00:07:11,779 -You couldn't not know Death Piggy and Brockie. 152 00:07:11,822 --> 00:07:14,521 We loved him because they were the only punk rock band 153 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,218 that had a sense of humor. 154 00:07:16,261 --> 00:07:22,006 -And you would see his graffiti before you met him. 155 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:24,356 That was just cool. 156 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,490 -Dave Brockie had moved down to Richmond to go to VCU, 157 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:30,101 and he had formed a band called "Death piggy," 158 00:07:30,145 --> 00:07:31,581 which was a punk rock band. 159 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:33,148 And he was known for his theatrics on stage. 160 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:36,630 Like, he would put mayonnaise down his pants, 161 00:07:36,673 --> 00:07:39,371 and a piñata that he filled with candy, 162 00:07:39,415 --> 00:07:41,722 and quarters, and cat shit. 163 00:07:41,765 --> 00:07:44,420 So, the audience would beat it, and it broke open. 164 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:47,205 -They all dived to the ground, and were clawing through 165 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:49,033 this mess, trying to find the quarters, 166 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:51,645 and they're actually going through cat shit 167 00:07:51,688 --> 00:07:52,994 while they're doing it. 168 00:07:53,037 --> 00:07:55,562 It was just like... 169 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:57,694 -My biggest influence throughout all high school 170 00:07:57,738 --> 00:07:59,479 was Monty Python. 171 00:07:59,522 --> 00:08:01,089 I thought that was the most brilliant shit I'd ever seen. 172 00:08:01,132 --> 00:08:04,832 And I really wanted to make fucked up, weird music. 173 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:06,877 As long as it was loud, and fast, 174 00:08:06,921 --> 00:08:08,966 and I could go down and hurt myself, 175 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:11,360 I was into it. 176 00:08:11,403 --> 00:08:14,755 -What the fuck is going on? 177 00:08:14,798 --> 00:08:16,278 Hi. -Hello. 178 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:17,584 -Hi. 179 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:19,847 -Dave Brockie was a funny, 180 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:23,459 really talented performer who was always on. 181 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:26,723 I mean, he lived like he was on stage all the time. 182 00:08:26,767 --> 00:08:29,117 And just to know him, he was hilarious. 183 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,946 -Yeah, he was my first big love. 184 00:08:31,989 --> 00:08:34,949 He was so creative, and smart, 185 00:08:34,992 --> 00:08:37,952 and he had such a big fanbase already. 186 00:08:37,995 --> 00:08:39,693 Like, everyone always wanted to be around him 187 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:41,738 because of his personality. 188 00:08:41,782 --> 00:08:44,175 Every time you were around him, everyone was in a good mood. 189 00:08:44,219 --> 00:08:46,177 [Indistinct talking] 190 00:08:46,221 --> 00:08:48,832 -One thing that Dave had in common with me 191 00:08:48,876 --> 00:08:51,226 is that he was willing to get up there, 192 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:53,402 and pretend like he's jerking off 193 00:08:53,445 --> 00:08:55,839 in front of an audience, you know, and shit like that. 194 00:08:55,883 --> 00:09:00,583 Not very many lead singers of a band that want to be cool 195 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:02,411 are gonna want to do things like that. 196 00:09:02,454 --> 00:09:05,936 But Dave was game for whatever, and beyond. 197 00:09:05,980 --> 00:09:08,460 -That's one way that Dave and Hunter really connected 198 00:09:08,504 --> 00:09:12,116 was this sort of eshewing the self-seriousness 199 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,337 that was really worthy only of contempt to them. 200 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:16,991 I was just like, "Art's great," you know? 201 00:09:17,034 --> 00:09:19,950 And they're like, "No. Art fucking sucks." 202 00:09:19,994 --> 00:09:21,604 People who draw a bunch of squiggly lines, 203 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:23,258 and then stand next to it, and smoke cigarettes, 204 00:09:23,301 --> 00:09:25,739 and act cool, those people suck, 205 00:09:25,782 --> 00:09:27,044 They hated that. 206 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:29,569 They wanted to destroy that. 207 00:09:29,612 --> 00:09:31,266 -He shared a lot of the sense of humor 208 00:09:31,309 --> 00:09:34,748 that I had about crazy over-the-top stuff. 209 00:09:34,791 --> 00:09:36,619 And that's why we clung together, 210 00:09:36,663 --> 00:09:42,669 because, in a way, we were driven by the same demons. 211 00:09:42,712 --> 00:09:44,322 -Death Piggy's recording studio 212 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:46,368 was just on the other side of the wall 213 00:09:46,411 --> 00:09:48,631 from the original slave pit that Hunter and I had. 214 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:51,460 And it was inevitable that we would meet. 215 00:09:51,503 --> 00:09:53,157 -So, we're over there at the slave pit, 216 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:55,638 working on Hunter Jackson's movie, 217 00:09:55,682 --> 00:09:57,945 and Dave Brockie comes in over, and he says, 218 00:09:57,988 --> 00:09:59,773 "Hey, I've got a great idea. 219 00:09:59,816 --> 00:10:01,818 What if we borrow these costumes, 220 00:10:01,862 --> 00:10:06,780 and we open for ourselves as this insane barbarian band." 221 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:09,347 -Hunter's making these props and sets for a movie, 222 00:10:09,391 --> 00:10:11,872 Dave's in this crazy performance punk band. 223 00:10:11,915 --> 00:10:14,701 And Dave says, "Hey, I'll wear that stupid shit on stage, 224 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:16,137 and see what happens." 225 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:18,705 "We'll call it... 226 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:20,794 GWAR." 227 00:10:20,837 --> 00:10:28,497 ♪♪ 228 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:30,455 -The first couple times we tried it, 229 00:10:30,499 --> 00:10:33,981 I would just show up with all the stuff in a garbage bag. 230 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:36,461 Everybody would just put shit on. 231 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:40,683 Dave would just borrow musicians from here, there, everywhere, 232 00:10:40,727 --> 00:10:42,076 within the Dairy. 233 00:10:42,119 --> 00:10:43,555 They'd get up on stage. 234 00:10:43,599 --> 00:10:46,254 having probably practiced the music once or twice. 235 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:48,343 They hardly knew the songs at all. 236 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:51,085 -Those first few shows were very awkward. 237 00:10:51,128 --> 00:10:54,392 We had never done anything like that, so we had -- 238 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:56,699 if you can imagine -- a kind of a stage fright. 239 00:10:56,743 --> 00:10:58,832 -I think we've almost got the problem solved, 240 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,355 ladies and gentlemen. 241 00:11:00,398 --> 00:11:02,313 And we're gonna play that first song again 242 00:11:02,357 --> 00:11:05,621 because it was so bad. 243 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:08,711 -I kept trying to justify doing this by saying, 244 00:11:08,755 --> 00:11:10,757 "Oh, this is gonna be a scene in my movie." 245 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,324 And I had these characters that I had created. 246 00:11:13,368 --> 00:11:15,892 But then, people would start playing those characters, 247 00:11:15,936 --> 00:11:17,241 and they would take the character 248 00:11:17,285 --> 00:11:19,461 in their own direction. 249 00:11:19,504 --> 00:11:21,985 The idea of "Scum Dogs of the Universe," 250 00:11:22,029 --> 00:11:25,162 the barbarians from outer space gets stranded on earth. 251 00:11:25,206 --> 00:11:29,166 And then, they're slowly sort of sucked away into adult life. 252 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:31,778 One of them gets a girlfriend. One of them becomes a stoner. 253 00:11:31,821 --> 00:11:33,823 One of them joins a rock band. 254 00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:35,825 Death Piggy was gonna be the rock band. 255 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:37,958 But you pitch anything like that to Dave Brockie, 256 00:11:38,001 --> 00:11:40,700 and he's gonna take it over, which is what he did. 257 00:11:40,743 --> 00:11:48,446 ♪♪ 258 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:56,193 ♪♪ 259 00:11:56,237 --> 00:11:58,718 Without Dave, it's not a band, 260 00:11:58,761 --> 00:12:01,982 and without Hunter, it's not space barbarians. 261 00:12:02,025 --> 00:12:06,682 So, the two of them, and their ideas colliding together, 262 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,598 was this kind of supernatural event. 263 00:12:09,641 --> 00:12:11,905 -Immediately, everybody in Richmond loved it. 264 00:12:11,948 --> 00:12:13,167 -They loved it. 265 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:15,082 And GWAR blew up after that. 266 00:12:15,125 --> 00:12:17,258 -You really gotta give credit to Hunter, 267 00:12:17,301 --> 00:12:20,783 and his brilliance, and Brockie, and his energy. 268 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:24,787 Two stars hit, and then, it was like, boom. 269 00:12:24,831 --> 00:12:27,877 They couldn't have done it without each other. 270 00:12:27,921 --> 00:12:31,794 -It was a pretty quick snowball of this movie 271 00:12:31,838 --> 00:12:33,274 starting to roll down a hill, 272 00:12:33,317 --> 00:12:34,884 and then, all these people jumping on it, 273 00:12:34,928 --> 00:12:36,930 getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 274 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:38,583 -We had a lot of creative people 275 00:12:38,627 --> 00:12:41,108 that were just basically moving in, and setting up shop, 276 00:12:41,151 --> 00:12:43,371 and no one was saying "no" to them. 277 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:44,981 And if we had said "no," 278 00:12:45,025 --> 00:12:48,419 maybe GWAR never would've been as cool as it was. 279 00:12:48,463 --> 00:12:51,858 So, I will defend our open-house policy of misfit artists 280 00:12:51,901 --> 00:12:53,642 till the end. 281 00:12:53,685 --> 00:13:01,911 ♪♪ 282 00:13:01,955 --> 00:13:05,785 -Halloween 1986, GWAR plays their biggest show to date 283 00:13:05,828 --> 00:13:08,439 in a big commons area in the middle of VCU. 284 00:13:08,483 --> 00:13:09,919 It's called "Shafer Court." 285 00:13:09,963 --> 00:13:11,486 Iggy Pop played there. 286 00:13:11,529 --> 00:13:13,836 A lot of big touring bands played there. 287 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,185 -And that place would be packed. 288 00:13:15,229 --> 00:13:17,144 There'd be 500 to 1,000 people there. 289 00:13:17,187 --> 00:13:22,366 So, when they hired GWAR to play Halloween, 290 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:25,848 that was a really big deal for us. 291 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:27,676 -All of us worked together really hard 292 00:13:27,719 --> 00:13:29,852 to make this one particular show. 293 00:13:29,896 --> 00:13:32,376 And we were gonna debut a lot of stuff. 294 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:35,640 A giant dinosaur and a cockroach come out, and fight. 295 00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:37,860 Terrorists take over the stage. 296 00:13:37,904 --> 00:13:40,428 Every GWAR villain comes out. 297 00:13:40,471 --> 00:13:42,909 A giant airplane engine falls out of the sky, 298 00:13:42,952 --> 00:13:44,998 and lands on stage, and kills people. 299 00:13:45,041 --> 00:13:46,260 -Boom! 300 00:13:46,303 --> 00:13:47,739 It was so awesome. 301 00:13:47,783 --> 00:13:49,393 It was so awesome. 302 00:13:49,437 --> 00:13:51,743 -I think we all came away from that with a feeling that 303 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:54,181 "This isn't just a joke band anymore. 304 00:13:54,224 --> 00:13:56,444 This thing really has potential." 305 00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,055 I remember feeling like "This is what I want to do. 306 00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:02,885 This is gonna be huge." 307 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:06,758 -So, Dave and I broke up, and anybody who was near us 308 00:14:06,802 --> 00:14:08,630 hated to be around us when we were in the same room. 309 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:11,024 [ Laughs ] 310 00:14:11,067 --> 00:14:14,679 They had a meeting, and everybody voted me out. 311 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,856 And I was like, "I'm gonna be strong." 312 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:19,206 And I'm like, "Have a good life." 313 00:14:19,249 --> 00:14:23,384 But I knew GWAR had so much brilliance in it, 314 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,734 and so, I was really disappointed. 315 00:14:25,777 --> 00:14:27,954 But, you know, that's life. 316 00:14:30,217 --> 00:14:31,740 -During the beginning part of GWAR, 317 00:14:31,783 --> 00:14:36,484 a lot of it was financed by my job as a prison guard. 318 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:39,356 I got an offer to move to Detroit. 319 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,924 And me, a little boy from the sticks 320 00:14:41,968 --> 00:14:43,839 who always wanted to live in the big city, 321 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:45,188 I couldn't resist. 322 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:48,061 And I took off for Detroit for a year. 323 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:50,106 Literally, they said, "Okay, at Shafer Court, 324 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:51,499 we're gonna get serious." 325 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,763 And then, a month later, everybody quits. 326 00:14:54,806 --> 00:14:57,113 Hunter decided to move to Detroit, 327 00:14:57,157 --> 00:14:58,941 and all the musicians quit. 328 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:00,725 -We don't even have the costumes anymore, 329 00:15:00,769 --> 00:15:03,076 because Hunter took those, as well. 330 00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:05,948 -That was horrible because we had no idea. 331 00:15:05,992 --> 00:15:07,428 We thought everything was going great, 332 00:15:07,471 --> 00:15:09,473 and we had this great show at Shafer Court, 333 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:11,693 and, all of a sudden, we were losing, like, 334 00:15:11,736 --> 00:15:14,478 our most talented people. 335 00:15:14,522 --> 00:15:18,395 -Don and Dave basically said, "Well, we're gonna do this. 336 00:15:18,439 --> 00:15:20,832 Don's gonna be in charge of the Art Department now. 337 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:23,618 We're gonna find a whole new band, and some new artists, 338 00:15:23,661 --> 00:15:25,750 and we're gonna make this work." 339 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:27,970 -Don was really instrumental 340 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:30,625 in bringing new technologies to GWAR. 341 00:15:30,668 --> 00:15:33,715 He always wanted the style to be more polished, 342 00:15:33,758 --> 00:15:35,891 and more professional-looking. 343 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:38,459 -One of the biggest breakthroughs was latex rubber. 344 00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:41,070 Don used it to make the Chernobyl cockroach. 345 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:44,944 And the next thing you know, we have latex in our blood. 346 00:15:44,987 --> 00:15:46,380 -All the new characters were made 347 00:15:46,423 --> 00:15:48,469 by Don and Chuck right then. 348 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:54,475 ♪♪ 349 00:15:54,518 --> 00:16:00,481 ♪♪ 350 00:16:00,524 --> 00:16:02,657 -Hunter would take blood balloons. 351 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,659 He'd put carrot syrup and food dye 352 00:16:04,702 --> 00:16:07,053 into these water balloons. 353 00:16:07,096 --> 00:16:11,840 And he would tape them onto one of the spikes of a mace. 354 00:16:11,883 --> 00:16:15,365 ♪♪ 355 00:16:15,409 --> 00:16:17,063 That was okay. 356 00:16:17,106 --> 00:16:18,803 But we were thinking, "Okay, what else can we add?" 357 00:16:18,847 --> 00:16:21,328 And I took a hot water bottle, 358 00:16:21,371 --> 00:16:24,113 and ran a tube out to the shoulder, here. 359 00:16:24,157 --> 00:16:26,550 -You're my hero, man. I've always wanted to meet you. 360 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:31,033 If I could just shake your hand, man. 361 00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:35,081 -And I squeezed the water bottle, and spewed blood. 362 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:37,083 I think I might have reached somebody in the front row. 363 00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:38,475 I don't know. 364 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,216 But from then on, it was just like, 365 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,783 "Where can we do this effect again?" 366 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,611 And "Why sit there and use the water bottle? 367 00:16:43,654 --> 00:16:47,571 Let's do pressurization in a fire extinguisher." 368 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,312 So we started stealing fire extinguishers 369 00:16:49,356 --> 00:16:51,184 from the VCU campus. 370 00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:53,621 And that's the way we've been doing it ever since, 371 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:56,972 just getting bigger and bigger canisters to pressurize, 372 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:58,800 and shoot spew. 373 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:01,977 It was just a cornucopia of body fluids 374 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:03,326 spraying all over the audience. 375 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:04,719 And I was like, "What! You can't do tha-- 376 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:06,242 You can do that?" 377 00:17:06,286 --> 00:17:08,375 -It was, like, very cathartic. 378 00:17:08,418 --> 00:17:11,030 -When you go to a GWAR show, in 90 minutes, 379 00:17:11,073 --> 00:17:14,903 you're gonna get to see everyone you hated that year get killed. 380 00:17:14,946 --> 00:17:17,079 You get to see a lot of the evil in the world 381 00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:18,428 get their comeuppance. 382 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:20,561 -You get blood shot at you, 383 00:17:20,604 --> 00:17:23,651 and you don't know who's getting decapitated next. 384 00:17:23,694 --> 00:17:26,567 And it's just this blur of performance art 385 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:28,395 rather than a rock show. 386 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:32,268 And it's low-brow, and it's nasty, and it's fun. 387 00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,096 [Chuckles] 388 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:35,402 -If there was somebody who wanted to go see a GWAR show, 389 00:17:35,445 --> 00:17:36,751 and they didn't know anything about them, 390 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,100 I would just say -- 391 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:39,884 I'd give them a new T-shirt, and I'd say, 392 00:17:39,928 --> 00:17:41,799 "This is just what everyone does." 393 00:17:41,843 --> 00:17:45,890 I'd just watch him as he just gets pelted with cum, and blood, 394 00:17:45,934 --> 00:17:48,371 and various combinations of the two. 395 00:17:48,415 --> 00:17:49,851 -And when they see you up-front, 396 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,896 and they know you're standing there, 397 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:53,985 they're gonna fuck with you on purpose. 398 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:55,987 If you're going up-front, you're gonna be covered. 399 00:17:56,031 --> 00:17:59,034 -I don't wanna consider myself some sort of dandy, 400 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,689 but I might be the guy who, like... 401 00:18:01,732 --> 00:18:02,994 when you're like, "Hey, you like GWAR? 402 00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:04,431 I'm like, "Oh yeah, yeah, for sure." 403 00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:05,693 They're like, "Do you wanna go see GWAR, 404 00:18:05,736 --> 00:18:07,521 and stand right up close?" 405 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,305 I don't know. 406 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:10,959 I don't know if I do. 407 00:18:11,002 --> 00:18:13,962 -One time, we played, I think it was The Tabernacle, 408 00:18:14,005 --> 00:18:15,833 and the club was, like, so apologetic. 409 00:18:15,877 --> 00:18:18,140 They're like "You can't set up for another couple of hours 410 00:18:18,184 --> 00:18:19,576 'cause we're still cleaning up the blood 411 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,056 from the GWAR show last night." 412 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:22,579 [Laughs] 413 00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:24,842 They make a mess. 414 00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:27,323 You figure, if you're gonna do a show, you put on a show. 415 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:36,637 ♪♪ 416 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,814 -Dave decided it was time to get a real band. 417 00:18:39,857 --> 00:18:41,859 And there was this new kid in high school 418 00:18:41,903 --> 00:18:43,426 who was playing in this band called "The Guilty." 419 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:44,862 And everybody was talking about him. 420 00:18:44,906 --> 00:18:46,603 It was like, "Oh, have you seen Guilty? 421 00:18:46,647 --> 00:18:49,432 It's like, "Beefcake, man, this kid Beefcake, 422 00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:51,086 he's crazy. He's like -- 423 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,306 He plays bass like I've never seen, using his fingers, 424 00:18:53,349 --> 00:18:54,785 and he's all over the place." 425 00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:56,178 Everybody respected him. 426 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:57,527 He was the best bass player in Richmond. 427 00:18:57,571 --> 00:18:59,747 And so, he stole Beefcake out of The Guilty, 428 00:18:59,790 --> 00:19:01,662 and out of high school, and he said, 429 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:03,229 "You're gonna be in my band." 430 00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:04,795 -Hate me. -There's a lot to hate there. 431 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:07,189 Hate me. Yeah, really. 432 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,322 There's too much of me to hate. 433 00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:12,977 -Beefcake The Mighty, when I was in the punk scene in Richmond, 434 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:17,591 I gave myself a punk name, which was Beefcake. 435 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:18,983 -Just everybody knew him. 436 00:19:19,027 --> 00:19:21,203 He's a kid that would walk in, 437 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:23,336 and they would all go, "Oh, it's Beefcake." 438 00:19:23,379 --> 00:19:25,686 The local pizza place, he we would walk in. 439 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:29,298 "It's Beefcake. Slices, slices, Beefcake." 440 00:19:29,342 --> 00:19:31,692 -It's very tacky. -Are you ready? 441 00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,302 -I would never wear it. 442 00:19:33,346 --> 00:19:34,738 -So, he was the only one who didn't have to come up 443 00:19:34,782 --> 00:19:37,176 with a stage name, because I just said, 444 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:39,090 "You can be Beefcake, 'cause that'll work." 445 00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:41,005 -Thank you. I am Beefcake The Mighty. 446 00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:42,877 And the purpose of GWAR is, of course, 447 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,097 as you can tell from our accoutrement, to destroy. 448 00:19:46,141 --> 00:19:48,099 -So, they put together all these musicians, 449 00:19:48,143 --> 00:19:50,667 and actually wrote 15 punk rock songs, 450 00:19:50,711 --> 00:19:52,147 and went up there, and recorded it. 451 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,541 And we're really proud of it. 452 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:56,238 I remember first hearing it. 453 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:58,240 I thought it sounded pretty bad. 454 00:19:58,284 --> 00:20:00,590 ♪ 'Cause we are GWAR 455 00:20:00,634 --> 00:20:03,158 ♪ We've got guitars 456 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,508 ♪ We'll eat your cars 457 00:20:07,989 --> 00:20:10,165 -We got it done. We were all excited. 458 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:11,993 We had a big listening party. 459 00:20:12,036 --> 00:20:14,648 And we just sat there, and dropped the needle on it, 460 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:17,825 and it finishes, and everybody is like, 461 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:19,653 "Oh, dude, that just sucks." 462 00:20:19,696 --> 00:20:21,829 -Yeah, it was horrible. 463 00:20:21,872 --> 00:20:23,134 It sounded like it was coming out of 464 00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:25,659 a fucking Japanese transistor radio. 465 00:20:25,702 --> 00:20:29,663 ♪♪ 466 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,318 -That idea of wanting to demonstrate 467 00:20:32,361 --> 00:20:33,623 that you're a good player 468 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:35,756 because you're also in this costume, 469 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,801 that kind of shaped the way that the band sounded. 470 00:20:37,845 --> 00:20:39,586 And the result was kind of awful. 471 00:20:39,629 --> 00:20:43,416 ♪♪ 472 00:20:43,459 --> 00:20:45,548 -The band was just dumb. 473 00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:50,118 And it really wasn't until we started thinking about the band 474 00:20:50,161 --> 00:20:53,774 in a more serious way, the people that are out there 475 00:20:53,817 --> 00:20:55,993 doing really good music right now, 476 00:20:56,037 --> 00:20:57,517 and we got those guys. 477 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:04,567 ♪♪ 478 00:21:04,611 --> 00:21:08,223 -My name is Balsac the Jaws of Death. 479 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,704 I didn't think I was a punk rocker at all. 480 00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:15,012 I was just a kid who played guitar and liked weird stuff. 481 00:21:15,056 --> 00:21:18,059 Brockie liked that I made weird faces with my jaw. 482 00:21:18,102 --> 00:21:21,280 'cause, like, when I played, I would do a lot of stuff -- 483 00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:23,499 which is funny, because I put on a mask, 484 00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:24,935 and nobody could ever see what I look looked like 485 00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:26,328 when I play guitar. 486 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:30,071 ♪♪ 487 00:21:30,114 --> 00:21:33,335 -Mike Bishop calls me up, and we set up an audition, 488 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:34,815 and there's two other guys 489 00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:36,817 that are gonna audition the same day. 490 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,646 And one guy doesn't have a kit, so he's gonna play my kit. 491 00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,822 He played the audition first. 492 00:21:41,865 --> 00:21:43,214 And then, I just went up, 493 00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:45,086 and just whipped his ass on my own set. 494 00:21:45,129 --> 00:21:46,783 It wasn't that hard to do, 495 00:21:46,827 --> 00:21:49,743 'cause he wasn't familiar with my drum set-up, but I was. 496 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:51,701 And I just listened to what he played, 497 00:21:51,745 --> 00:21:53,877 and then, I just went in, and did it better. 498 00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:55,444 [Laughs] 499 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,359 I was like, "Oh, this is a great opportunity. 500 00:21:57,403 --> 00:22:01,581 I could use GWAR as a stepping stone to a career in music." 501 00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:05,280 And, you know, 30 years later, I'm still in GWAR. 502 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:06,890 [Laughs] 503 00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:08,979 -I was checking out the GWAR shows, and everything. 504 00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:11,373 And I'd be bouncing off the walls, and stuff. 505 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:12,766 And that's kind of where they saw, like, 506 00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:15,551 "Oh, wow, Danielle's this crazy dancer." 507 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:16,987 I think they came over to my house 508 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:18,424 in the middle of the night, like, 509 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:20,164 "Danielle, we need you to go to this show." 510 00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:22,036 And I mean, I was in college, and everything, 511 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,865 so I didn't really think it was gonna be, like, a career move. 512 00:22:24,908 --> 00:22:28,434 I just was like, "Okay, I'm going to New York this weekend." 513 00:22:28,477 --> 00:22:30,566 You know? [Laughs] 514 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:32,394 Before I had joined the band, 515 00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:34,091 the character had been called "GWAR Woman." 516 00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:36,398 And I really wanted to give her a name. 517 00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:39,532 I was always, like, men's fear of menstruation, like, 518 00:22:39,575 --> 00:22:41,621 "Don't have your dad buy tampons." 519 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:43,623 It's just kind of a stigma in our culture. 520 00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:45,102 And it's just something that happens. 521 00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:47,801 So you're a sex symbol with this bloody crotch. 522 00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:50,804 It's kind of like, "Ew, how sexy." 523 00:22:50,847 --> 00:22:53,284 You know? 524 00:22:53,328 --> 00:22:56,375 So, Slymenstra Hymen. 525 00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:01,075 -When they decided that they we're gonna do 526 00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:04,948 the Techno Destructo song, I wanted to come back. 527 00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:07,734 -One day, Dave saw him coming down the street, 528 00:23:07,777 --> 00:23:11,477 with his giant stilts -- 8 1/2 feet, 9 feet tall -- 529 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,348 walking down the street, coming at Dave. 530 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:15,002 Dave was like, "Oh, my God." 531 00:23:15,045 --> 00:23:16,656 It was terrifying. 532 00:23:16,699 --> 00:23:17,961 I think Dave, right then and there, 533 00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:19,702 knew he wasn't gonna argue. 534 00:23:19,746 --> 00:23:23,184 Hunter wanted to be back in the band, so, "Okay." 535 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:24,533 -I will always come back, 536 00:23:24,577 --> 00:23:27,536 no matter how many times they cheat, lie, 537 00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:29,582 and use deceitful tactics against me. 538 00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:31,410 -Hunter was totally autobiographical 539 00:23:31,453 --> 00:23:34,456 about anything he conceptually came up with. 540 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:37,938 Techno Destructo was here to get control of GWAR again. 541 00:23:37,981 --> 00:23:39,505 And if he couldn't get control of them, 542 00:23:39,548 --> 00:23:42,812 he was going to destroy them. 543 00:23:42,856 --> 00:23:45,119 You don't have to be Freud to fucking figure that one out. 544 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:48,165 -One of these days, GWAR will be destroyed. 545 00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:51,734 -My attitude was like, "You've been gone for a year. 546 00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:53,344 You haven't been working. 547 00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:56,260 You dropped a notch or two on the ladder." 548 00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:59,612 Well, now, like, Don and Chuck can say like, "Oh, we've got..." 549 00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:01,091 what did they say, "...skin in the game now, 550 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:03,442 because we've created these new characters." 551 00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:07,707 It's like, "This is a real collective going on, here." 552 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:09,317 -I always wanted to be an artist. 553 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,319 And I thought that art school 554 00:24:11,362 --> 00:24:13,147 was gonna be very different than it was. 555 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:16,759 I expected it to be a little more weird. 556 00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:18,195 I went to Dave. 557 00:24:18,239 --> 00:24:19,719 I went to his office, and I was like, 558 00:24:19,762 --> 00:24:21,198 "I wanna join the band. I'm quitting art school." 559 00:24:21,242 --> 00:24:22,983 And he was like, "Well, you know, I don't wanna 560 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:24,593 fuck your life up, or anything." 561 00:24:24,637 --> 00:24:29,076 And I was like, "Dude, I'll go back to art school. 562 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,512 It'll still be there. 563 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,514 But GWAR is doing stuff, and I'm getting paid." 564 00:24:32,558 --> 00:24:34,081 So, he was like, "Alright. Fair enough." 565 00:24:34,124 --> 00:24:35,256 That was it. 566 00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:38,477 -Okay, Matt, hold up your number. 567 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,610 -I met Matt Maguire, and we had a lot in common. 568 00:24:41,654 --> 00:24:44,308 And I was hoping that he and I could collaborate 569 00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:46,963 on some of my crazy wrestling comics, and stuff, 570 00:24:47,007 --> 00:24:49,662 'cause he had some wrestling comics that he had been doing. 571 00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:52,839 But then, he was really hot to get into GWAR. 572 00:24:52,882 --> 00:24:54,971 -The first show I went to, that was it. 573 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:56,451 I was hooked. 574 00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:58,148 I was just like, "This is freaking amazing." 575 00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:00,847 I was in high school, whatever, just, "Oh, my gosh. 576 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:03,197 Look at all this cool stuff. There's this chick blowing fire, 577 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,721 and this is happening, and heads are flying off." 578 00:25:05,765 --> 00:25:08,202 -Matt was Hunter's assistant, 579 00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:11,292 and Hunter liked to keep Matt away from us. 580 00:25:11,335 --> 00:25:14,643 But as we realized how good of an artist Matt is, 581 00:25:14,687 --> 00:25:18,299 it was, like, well, we're all hanging out in the back room 582 00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:19,735 having a blast. 583 00:25:19,779 --> 00:25:21,215 So, when he stopped working for Hunter, 584 00:25:21,258 --> 00:25:22,869 he'd come back there, and hang out with us, 585 00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:24,523 and Hunter would get all mad. 586 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:26,699 But Don was always just like, "Well, fuck that." 587 00:25:26,742 --> 00:25:29,223 -It's hard for me to think how Hunter must have felt 588 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:32,182 having this vision about a movie -- 589 00:25:32,226 --> 00:25:33,923 this was originally what GWAR was, 590 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:37,231 was his movie -- taken over by the band 591 00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:39,842 where Dave gets to shine, and Hunter doesn't. 592 00:25:39,886 --> 00:25:41,714 -So, what do you really wanna do? 593 00:25:41,757 --> 00:25:44,107 -Well, I don't know. Whatever you guys want me to do. 594 00:25:44,151 --> 00:25:46,109 -I was doing the mail order at that point. 595 00:25:46,153 --> 00:25:47,981 I was in there licking stamps. 596 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:52,289 You do every single bit of grunt work that nobody wanted to do. 597 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:55,597 That's how you made yourself useful in the band. 598 00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:59,383 -They got the shittiest jobs, and they had to suffer. 599 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:01,429 They put up with it for years. 600 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:03,692 Bob and Matt, they earned their chops. 601 00:26:03,736 --> 00:26:06,434 Gosh, I hope it was worth it. 602 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:09,393 -Let us toast our glorious destiny. 603 00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:11,744 [Laughter] 604 00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:24,321 -He's ready. 605 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:25,584 Hey, Dave. Alright. 606 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:27,020 Hey. You ready to go? -Yeah! 607 00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:28,587 -Ready to rock and roll? 608 00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:33,461 -GWAR, in the early days, 609 00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,768 had these International Harvester 610 00:26:35,811 --> 00:26:38,031 school buses that they traveled in. 611 00:26:38,074 --> 00:26:39,728 -We tore all the seats out. 612 00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:41,948 So, you go in, and there's two couches facing each other, 613 00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:43,514 and that's where you hang out. 614 00:26:43,558 --> 00:26:46,169 And then, there was a plywood loft, 615 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:48,476 and there was upper sleeping and lower sleeping. 616 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,478 -We just all slept in there, like dogs, 617 00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:52,872 you know, like, just animals herded together. 618 00:26:52,915 --> 00:26:56,310 We painted the school bus. It was just covered in graffiti. 619 00:26:56,353 --> 00:27:00,531 The top of it said, "Ed Gein's mom's car." 620 00:27:00,575 --> 00:27:02,969 And so, we would get pulled over a lot. 621 00:27:03,012 --> 00:27:05,406 -The damn thing only went 55 miles an hour, 622 00:27:05,449 --> 00:27:07,843 'cause it had a governor on it, 'cause it was a school bus. 623 00:27:07,887 --> 00:27:10,280 And it was like the Partridge Family on acid, 624 00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:11,804 rolling down the road, 625 00:27:11,847 --> 00:27:13,762 always getting hassled by cops, like, 626 00:27:13,806 --> 00:27:15,590 "What the hell is this?" 627 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,723 At least in the second school bus, you could take a piss. 628 00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:19,594 We built, like, this little cubby hole 629 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,770 in the back, with a door. 630 00:27:21,814 --> 00:27:23,598 I open the door to think 631 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:26,383 there's gonna be some sort of, like, toilet there -- nothing. 632 00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:29,169 It's just a fucking oil funnel cone 633 00:27:29,212 --> 00:27:31,780 with a hose that goes to a hole in the floor. 634 00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:33,695 And we were just pissing in the cone. 635 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,479 And you can look out the back window 636 00:27:35,523 --> 00:27:38,787 and just see, like all your urine, like, hit whatever car. 637 00:27:38,831 --> 00:27:42,269 I'm just watching, like, a whole family, kids in the car, 638 00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:45,533 windshield wipers come on, and it's just our urine. 639 00:27:45,576 --> 00:27:47,317 Those were the school bus days. 640 00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:50,538 -It is difficult being the only girl, and you're all grungy, 641 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,627 and gross, and dirty, and sweaty. 642 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,935 And you're staying at punk rocker's house on the floor. 643 00:27:55,978 --> 00:27:58,502 -Dave would book these cross-country tours 644 00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:01,462 by just calling numbers out of the back of Maximum Rocknroll. 645 00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:03,159 And we just took off with it, 646 00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:07,250 a Rand McNally Atlas and a bunch of quarters 647 00:28:07,294 --> 00:28:08,817 to use the payphone when we got lost. 648 00:28:08,861 --> 00:28:16,129 ♪♪ 649 00:28:16,172 --> 00:28:18,044 We made it across the country 650 00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:21,569 probably about six or seven times in these school buses. 651 00:28:21,612 --> 00:28:23,223 Broke several axles on 'em, 652 00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:26,052 and got stranded a couple of times in the Rockies, 653 00:28:26,095 --> 00:28:27,923 but it was fun. 654 00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:29,446 Those were fun days. 655 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:31,100 -I wouldn't trade those memories for anything, 656 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:33,929 'cause traveling cross country, and all those windows 657 00:28:33,973 --> 00:28:35,104 and just laying in your bunk, 658 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:38,804 and going around with the circus... 659 00:28:38,847 --> 00:28:40,501 The thing is, I remember even Dave, 660 00:28:40,544 --> 00:28:41,937 who was was, like, the biggest rock star in the world, 661 00:28:41,981 --> 00:28:43,809 was such a geek and nerd. 662 00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:47,943 -I'm working on D&D, that stupid game that your boyfriend plays. 663 00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:51,817 -We were always into Dungeons & Dragons, and all that stuff. 664 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:55,429 And Brockie was into it. And he was good at it. 665 00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:57,039 You played it, and you were like, 666 00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,128 "Well, this isn't stupid at all. This is really fun." 667 00:28:59,172 --> 00:29:02,479 Because, you know, he was like, any one of the campaigns 668 00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:05,656 that he ran could have been a great fantasy novel. 669 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,789 -I remember one of the first times I went out of town 670 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:09,312 with GWAR, 671 00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:12,054 him reading a "Conan" book by a flashlight to us 672 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:13,403 all listening, like we're sitting around 673 00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:15,231 a radio in the 1930s. 674 00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:18,800 It was, like, absurd, but it was so, like, quaint and special. 675 00:29:21,324 --> 00:29:24,675 -Why did you lie to me? Why? Why? why? 676 00:29:24,719 --> 00:29:26,373 Where is he? 677 00:29:26,416 --> 00:29:28,462 -My new shoulder pads are too bouncy, and it's just -- 678 00:29:28,505 --> 00:29:31,508 I don't know what to do. I can't fix something like that. 679 00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:32,858 -I'm so sad for You. 680 00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:35,686 -Fuck! God! 681 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:43,477 ♪♪ 682 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,871 -It was one of the first school bus tours. 683 00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:47,829 I remember, we were late to a show, 684 00:29:47,873 --> 00:29:50,310 and we pulled up, and there was actually a line 685 00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:51,964 all the way around the building. 686 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:55,010 And that was an impressive feeling, 687 00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,230 to know that we were gonna sell out a club. 688 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:59,841 -Look at all this beer we get now. 689 00:29:59,885 --> 00:30:01,538 Check this out. 690 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:03,149 This is all our water and shit to drink on stage. 691 00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:04,846 And then, look at all this stuff. 692 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:06,848 This is all so sweet, and... 693 00:30:06,892 --> 00:30:11,200 Are we big time, hip, cool, rock stars now, or what? 694 00:30:11,244 --> 00:30:12,854 -As we were growing, so was the stage show. 695 00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:15,291 This shit kept getting bigger and bigger. 696 00:30:15,335 --> 00:30:17,076 Even the monsters were getting huge. 697 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,686 And that's where I came in. 698 00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:21,732 I became the big giant monster maker. 699 00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:22,951 -Some friends of mine said, "Hey, have you heard of 700 00:30:22,995 --> 00:30:24,431 this band GWAR?" I go, "No". 701 00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:25,867 They said, "Oh, my God, you gotta see them. 702 00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:27,260 They're amazing. They run into to the audience. 703 00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:28,783 They throw meat at people, and blood." 704 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,350 They said, "You'd love them." I go, "Oh, okay." 705 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:33,135 I saw them at CMJ, and was just blown away 706 00:30:33,179 --> 00:30:34,441 by how amazing it was. 707 00:30:34,484 --> 00:30:36,095 I'm sitting there talking to my friends. 708 00:30:36,138 --> 00:30:37,748 I go, "Oh, my God, If these guys are half sane, 709 00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:39,185 I have to work with them." 710 00:30:39,228 --> 00:30:40,664 So, it turns out they were very sane, 711 00:30:40,708 --> 00:30:42,057 and, obviously, we did. 712 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:48,324 ♪♪ 713 00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:51,893 -We brought in a real producer into Richmond. 714 00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:55,201 And I thought it was really funny, because he was from LA, 715 00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:57,899 and I didn't really know any California guys back then. 716 00:30:57,943 --> 00:30:59,248 So... 717 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:01,381 -Can't eat any cheese before you record. 718 00:31:01,424 --> 00:31:04,123 And we have to go eat this Chinese chicken salad. 719 00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:05,864 Every day, we would eat the same salad. 720 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,909 -What're you eating? What are you eating? 721 00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:10,477 -You know, we were drinking cheap beer, and smoking pot, 722 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,696 and he was worried about us eating cheese. 723 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:16,178 ♪♪ 724 00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:17,919 That was the best time for us writing, 725 00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:19,965 because we didn't really know what we were doing. 726 00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:23,055 We weren't -- hadn't become the metal band we are now. 727 00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:25,187 We were still these punk rockers 728 00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:29,278 trying to play a heavy metal, and not quite getting it, 729 00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:32,064 but reveling in the fact that we didn't quite get it. 730 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:40,333 ♪♪ 731 00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:48,602 ♪♪ 732 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,038 You know, we're making fun of it. 733 00:31:50,082 --> 00:31:51,648 We didn't wanna be too good at it. 734 00:31:51,692 --> 00:31:56,653 ♪♪ 735 00:31:56,697 --> 00:31:59,874 -Huge leap in musicianship from the first album. 736 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,963 It's night and day. 737 00:32:02,007 --> 00:32:04,096 I had the first album, and loved it. 738 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:05,836 It's kind of schlocky, and it's kind of fun. 739 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,708 But when they put out "Scum Dogs of the Universe," 740 00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:09,144 I was like, "Whoa. 741 00:32:09,188 --> 00:32:11,103 These dudes had been working on their chops." 742 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:14,062 -The fact that they were able to play that well 743 00:32:14,106 --> 00:32:15,759 while wearing all that stuff 744 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,631 is something that really doesn't get talked about a lot. 745 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:18,806 Because those guys could shred. 746 00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:20,460 They were phenomenal musicians. 747 00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:23,463 It takes a lot to be able to play music like that, 748 00:32:23,506 --> 00:32:25,813 not to mention being covered in sticky blood. 749 00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:29,425 -The thing that GWAR, musically, has to fight against, 750 00:32:29,469 --> 00:32:31,950 is how amazing it is aesthetically. 751 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:33,516 And it... 752 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,779 "Gimmick" is not even close to as strong enough word 753 00:32:35,823 --> 00:32:37,738 to describe what GWAR is. 754 00:32:37,781 --> 00:32:39,218 GWAR is what they are. 755 00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:40,871 It's beyond gimmick. 756 00:32:40,915 --> 00:32:42,612 -I don't know why a lot of people think that 757 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:47,182 having a sense of humor does not go along with rocking. 758 00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:49,750 I think the two can co-exist peacefully. 759 00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:51,795 But it doesn't work if there's not skill 760 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,667 and talent to back it up. 761 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:57,323 GWAR's got the talent, and everything else is just icing. 762 00:32:57,366 --> 00:33:00,065 -Everybody in GWAR can fucking shred. 763 00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:02,850 Maybe it's a joke in the packaging, 764 00:33:02,893 --> 00:33:05,679 but the musicianship is very sincere. 765 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:13,252 ♪♪ 766 00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:17,865 So, the ultimate joke of GWAR is... 767 00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:19,432 that they're good. 768 00:33:19,475 --> 00:33:20,824 That's the joke. 769 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,652 -"Scum Dogs" is definitely a huge step up. 770 00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:24,045 And when I get the full record, I'm like, 771 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:25,829 "Oh, my God, this is amazing." 772 00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:29,007 It's an epic piece of work that they did. 773 00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:34,055 -"Hell-o" would get some traction, 774 00:33:34,099 --> 00:33:38,190 but "Scum Dogs" had broke GWAR. 775 00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:39,626 During that tour, of course, 776 00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:43,108 all this stuff happens where life imitates art. 777 00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:45,719 The story is about censorship, 778 00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:48,200 which was a big hot button issue at the time. 779 00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:52,247 -Does the title of "Purple Rain" give you an indication 780 00:33:52,291 --> 00:33:56,121 that the material is about masturbation? 781 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,774 -They mean the album title, "Purple Rain"? 782 00:33:57,818 --> 00:34:00,212 -And on the tour that we're mocking, 783 00:34:00,255 --> 00:34:02,083 and talking about GWAR being censored, 784 00:34:02,127 --> 00:34:04,694 GWAR gets censored, gets arrested. 785 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:06,740 Dave gets arrested for the Cuttlefish. 786 00:34:06,783 --> 00:34:10,744 We played in Charlotte, and we're doing a regular show, 787 00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:13,529 and we have this priest that comes up on stage, 788 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:16,097 and gets stuff jammed up his butt. 789 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:18,839 -Priests were always known for raping young choir boys, 790 00:34:18,882 --> 00:34:20,754 so, in GWAR's show, the priest gets raped. 791 00:34:20,797 --> 00:34:23,104 So, there's this big fake rubber butt, 792 00:34:23,148 --> 00:34:26,107 we're shoving a crucifix up Father Bohab's ass, 793 00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:28,370 dicks in it, swords in it. 794 00:34:28,414 --> 00:34:31,112 It's like a fucking butt bouquet potpourri 795 00:34:31,156 --> 00:34:33,462 of fucking swords hanging out of this thing. 796 00:34:33,506 --> 00:34:35,769 -We didn't know it, but the Charlotte Police were there, 797 00:34:35,812 --> 00:34:38,641 and they didn't think it was very funny. 798 00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:41,427 -They were just like, "You can't do that to a priest." 799 00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:44,647 -And we're like, "It's not. It's a big fake rubber butt." 800 00:34:44,691 --> 00:34:47,302 -These cops come busting into the dressing room. 801 00:34:47,346 --> 00:34:51,001 There's Dave, halfway out of the Oderus costume, 802 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:53,961 just standing there with a big penis on. 803 00:34:54,004 --> 00:34:56,659 And they're like, "Alright, you're under arrest. 804 00:34:56,703 --> 00:34:58,922 Where's the guy in the priest outfit?" 805 00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:01,795 And Bob was out of costume already, and so he was like, 806 00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:04,928 "Oh, we don't know which one that was." 807 00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:07,844 So they had no choice but just to arrest Dave. 808 00:35:07,888 --> 00:35:12,545 They confiscate the Cuttlefish of Cthulhu, which is the huge... 809 00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:14,329 between Oderus' legs. 810 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:15,548 It's really a fish. 811 00:35:15,591 --> 00:35:17,202 It's not a dick. It's a fish. 812 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:23,121 -And they took Dave's dick away in a five-gallon bucket. 813 00:35:23,164 --> 00:35:24,513 That's the only thing they took, 814 00:35:24,557 --> 00:35:26,689 was just the dick in a five-gallon bucket. 815 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:29,127 -We never got the Cuttlefish back, either. 816 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:31,172 It's still in evidence room in Charlotte, 817 00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:33,174 North Carolina, somewhere. 818 00:35:33,218 --> 00:35:34,480 -When I heard he got arrested, I was like, 819 00:35:34,523 --> 00:35:35,829 "Oh, what did he do?" 820 00:35:35,872 --> 00:35:37,309 And they told him me what he did. 821 00:35:37,352 --> 00:35:38,571 I said, "He didn't do anything? 822 00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:40,834 He was just wearing his costume? Really?" 823 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,579 -"Oderus Urungus will be in court in Charlotte, 824 00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:48,885 North Carolina, next week, to face obscenity charges 825 00:35:48,929 --> 00:35:50,452 filed after a GWAR concert 826 00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:53,107 in the heart of Jesse Homes country last month." 827 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:54,848 -When Dave went to trial, 828 00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:58,286 the presiding judge was Dick Boner. 829 00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:01,246 That was the judge's name in real fucking life. 830 00:36:05,424 --> 00:36:07,687 -I was a big fan of Lenny Bruce, and I thought 831 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:09,428 that was really cool that we're getting charged 832 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,212 with the same stuff that Lenny Bruce did. 833 00:36:11,256 --> 00:36:13,388 That made me pretty proud. 834 00:36:13,432 --> 00:36:15,695 -We're here interviewing people on the street about the GWAR 835 00:36:15,738 --> 00:36:19,046 show that was just shut down by the Athens Police. 836 00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:20,265 How do you feel about this? 837 00:36:20,308 --> 00:36:22,484 -Well, there goes the Constitution, 838 00:36:22,528 --> 00:36:24,138 and everything else it stands for. 839 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:31,145 -♪ All we are saying is give GWAR a chance ♪ 840 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,234 -If you enjoy the music of Barry Manilow, 841 00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:36,368 Liberace, or the Bee Gees, then you're gonna hate GWAR. 842 00:36:36,411 --> 00:36:37,456 -"Their name is GWAR." 843 00:36:37,499 --> 00:36:38,935 -"GWAR, the band from hell." 844 00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:41,547 -That band, GWAR, has gotta be the raunchiest, 845 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,505 most rotten band. 846 00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:44,680 They are the worst. 847 00:36:44,724 --> 00:36:46,552 -Oderus... -Yes? 848 00:36:46,595 --> 00:36:49,990 -...your act has been described as "obscene" and "disgusting." 849 00:36:50,033 --> 00:36:52,732 What'd you say to that? -Very accurate. 850 00:36:52,775 --> 00:36:54,299 -Oh, this is one of the best ones, okay? 851 00:36:54,342 --> 00:36:55,691 I'm gonna read you this. 852 00:36:55,735 --> 00:36:59,042 "To Grawl..." -- G-R-A-W-L -- 853 00:36:59,086 --> 00:37:01,349 "...I am a highly concerned Catholic Christian 854 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:03,960 who watched your video cassette, Tour de Scum. 855 00:37:04,004 --> 00:37:06,267 I've seen many horror shows in my lifetime, 856 00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:09,314 but nothing compared to what I saw on Tour de Scum. 857 00:37:09,357 --> 00:37:12,012 I..." -- all caps -- "...WANTED TO PUKE. 858 00:37:12,055 --> 00:37:15,363 You creatures have the morality of cannibalistic psychotics. 859 00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:18,018 In conclusion, you need to change 860 00:37:18,061 --> 00:37:19,715 your attitudes toward the human race. 861 00:37:19,759 --> 00:37:21,587 Believe it or not, there are some good people 862 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:22,979 on the planet, too. 863 00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:25,678 God help all of you." 864 00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:27,854 -So, the label gave us $50,000, 865 00:37:27,897 --> 00:37:30,117 which was typical, for a music video. 866 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,163 And we said, "Well, instead of just a music video, 867 00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:36,471 why not just do an entire music movie?" 868 00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:38,473 -That's like more money than we'd ever seen. 869 00:37:38,517 --> 00:37:39,735 Do one song? 870 00:37:39,779 --> 00:37:41,911 No. We're gonna do a whole movie. 871 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:47,308 -We did months of pre-production -- months. 872 00:37:47,352 --> 00:37:50,659 And we hired a production team from Canada. 873 00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:53,009 -I was like, "Why don't you just let me direct it?" 874 00:37:53,053 --> 00:37:57,013 They're like, "No. We don't want you to direct it. 875 00:37:57,057 --> 00:38:00,452 Even though you have a college degree in film-making, 876 00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:03,193 we have to find a professional director 877 00:38:03,237 --> 00:38:04,978 that knows what they're doing." 878 00:38:05,021 --> 00:38:07,197 -All these dudes came from Canada, 879 00:38:07,241 --> 00:38:09,330 and they had found a director they had worked with before, 880 00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:10,897 and been happy with. 881 00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:12,986 He was in Richmond before we even started filming 882 00:38:13,029 --> 00:38:15,162 for probably two or three weeks. 883 00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:18,383 -He's, like, got these leather pants on, strutting around, 884 00:38:18,426 --> 00:38:21,864 like, "Hey, you've gotta give me a double bed with all the chicks 885 00:38:21,908 --> 00:38:24,127 I'm gonna get while I'm in Richmond." 886 00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:28,175 -And then, the very first night of production, 887 00:38:28,218 --> 00:38:30,873 he has a fucking nervous breakdown. 888 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:33,093 -Oh, yeah, Ray lost his mind. 889 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,355 He quit. He flew home. 890 00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:36,096 [Chuckles] 891 00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:38,533 You don't wanna tell Dave what to do, 892 00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:40,318 and you don't wanna tell Hunter what to do. 893 00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:43,625 That's, like, the worst situation you could be put in. 894 00:38:43,669 --> 00:38:46,889 -We're just like, "Dude, you gotta get the fuck out here." 895 00:38:46,933 --> 00:38:49,196 Because it was like, "We're doing this." 896 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,286 Then, we're left to pick up the pieces. 897 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,201 It was fucking ridiculous. 898 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:56,943 So, everybody's, like, directing, and performing, 899 00:38:56,986 --> 00:38:58,466 and then fabricating sets. 900 00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:00,468 And so, you're, like, getting no sleep. 901 00:39:00,512 --> 00:39:03,253 I'm painting a set, then I'm doing a scene, 902 00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:05,125 and then I'm coming back and doing another thing. 903 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:07,170 -I was playing a role. I was painting the sets. 904 00:39:07,214 --> 00:39:08,563 I was building props. 905 00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:10,260 Even still during the making of that movie 906 00:39:10,304 --> 00:39:12,393 I was waiting tables to pay my rent. 907 00:39:12,437 --> 00:39:14,700 They'd call me up, "We need somebody's mom! 908 00:39:14,743 --> 00:39:16,310 We need a grandma!" 909 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,746 So, I'd be like, "Hey, you wanna be in our movie?" 910 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:20,183 [Laughs] While I was waiting tables. 911 00:39:20,227 --> 00:39:21,446 it was like that. 912 00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:23,143 -Everybody would pitch in. 913 00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:25,624 It was like how Hunter called the slave pit 914 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:28,583 the "slave pit" because everybody came in and worked. 915 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:30,672 You had girlfriends, and wives, and kids, 916 00:39:30,716 --> 00:39:33,719 and everybody just piling in to make the show happen. 917 00:39:33,762 --> 00:39:36,983 -And it was a big chaotic mess, like everything we do. 918 00:39:37,026 --> 00:39:40,595 And it turned out pretty silly and awesome 919 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:42,118 in its own weird way. 920 00:39:42,162 --> 00:39:44,033 -Do you really know GWAR? 921 00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:47,515 -I'm their fucking manager. 922 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:48,908 -I'd really like to meet them. 923 00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:50,649 -And you know what? 924 00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:52,477 The thing fucking still got nominated for a Grammy. 925 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,959 ♪♪ 926 00:39:57,003 --> 00:40:00,354 Yeah, "Phallus in Wonderland" gets nominated for a Grammy, 927 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,488 and we're just all thinking, "Man, somebody really fucked up. 928 00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:05,185 Somebody's losing their job." 929 00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:07,970 -Till this day, we don't understand how the Grammys work, 930 00:40:08,014 --> 00:40:11,757 because it's like Annie Lennox, and MC Hammer, and GWAR? 931 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,194 -I remember, Hunter came in, and was sort of... 932 00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:15,935 He was really matter-of-fact about it. 933 00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:19,634 It wasn't like, "Man, we got nominated for a Grammy!" 934 00:40:19,678 --> 00:40:21,854 It was just like, "We got nominated for a Grammy. 935 00:40:21,897 --> 00:40:23,812 Ehh, just a Grammy." 936 00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:25,510 [Laughs] 937 00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:28,469 -We are gathered here in this great Hall of Justice 938 00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:33,518 to prove that this alleged fish is actually a penis. 939 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:41,264 ♪♪ 940 00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:48,968 ♪♪ 941 00:40:49,011 --> 00:40:52,232 The president of that organization was not amused. 942 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:54,147 He did not like us at all. 943 00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:55,714 We had to take the picture, and we were like, 944 00:40:55,757 --> 00:40:57,629 "You know what, man, that's just who we are in character." 945 00:40:57,672 --> 00:41:00,066 And he's like, "Yeah, whatever." 946 00:41:00,109 --> 00:41:01,371 The dude was angry. 947 00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:06,942 ♪♪ 948 00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:10,772 -We were invited out to LA, to go to the awards ceremony, 949 00:41:10,816 --> 00:41:16,474 but we were specifically told, "Do not bring the costumes." 950 00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:19,215 Like, "Oh yeah, yeah, sure, sure." 951 00:41:19,259 --> 00:41:22,784 -Black was the color of choice for most, but not all. 952 00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:30,357 The loudest fashion statement was from a band called GWAR. 953 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,185 -We're in costume, so, of course, 954 00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:35,623 I immediately go up, and harass Chaka Khan. 955 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,233 I'm just like, "Chaka Khan." 956 00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:39,888 I was like, "You Earth girls are making me hot." 957 00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:42,151 And immediately, her guy there was just like, 958 00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,371 "Out of the way, kid." 959 00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:48,114 -So, we lasted about 15 minutes in the lobby of the Grammys, 960 00:41:48,157 --> 00:41:50,682 and we, like, spilled a drink on Leader Ford, 961 00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:53,075 and then we got kicked out. 962 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,251 We went back, and put our tuxes back on, 963 00:41:55,295 --> 00:41:56,731 sat quietly in the audience. 964 00:41:56,775 --> 00:41:59,560 And it was pretty boring the rest of the time, 965 00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:00,779 except for the parties afterwards. 966 00:42:00,822 --> 00:42:02,128 Those were fun. 967 00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:03,608 -We went to a Warner Bros. party after. 968 00:42:03,651 --> 00:42:05,827 I did meet Madonna that night. 969 00:42:05,871 --> 00:42:08,003 I hung out with the Chilli Peppers that night. 970 00:42:08,047 --> 00:42:10,832 And I got to hold a banana up to my crotch, 971 00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:13,226 and George Clinton ate it, at the party. 972 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:15,358 [Laughs] 973 00:42:19,232 --> 00:42:21,364 That was a crowning moment. 974 00:42:21,408 --> 00:42:22,583 It was nuts. 975 00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:24,542 And GWAR had no business being there. 976 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:28,284 -♪ Divided by the attention, not to mention the affection ♪ 977 00:42:28,328 --> 00:42:30,591 -No matter how you gussied GWAR up, 978 00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:33,072 and no matter what award you give it, 979 00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:35,074 it's always gonna be exactly what it is, 980 00:42:35,117 --> 00:42:40,688 which is this warty little D&D-playing, snort-nosed kid. 981 00:42:40,732 --> 00:42:42,168 that is... 982 00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:44,736 [Chuckles] Like, that's what GWAR is, man. 983 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:46,041 It's just geeky. 984 00:42:46,085 --> 00:42:47,608 and it's wonderful in that way. 985 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,568 But we didn't fit in at the Grammys. 986 00:42:50,611 --> 00:42:54,441 -♪ Oh, can't you hear me calling? ♪ 987 00:42:54,484 --> 00:42:58,401 ♪ Just like a sad whale song ♪ 988 00:42:58,445 --> 00:43:02,231 ♪ I'm on that road behind ♪ 989 00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:06,671 ♪♪ 990 00:43:06,714 --> 00:43:08,847 -I am Flattus Maximus. 991 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:10,675 I play guitar. 992 00:43:10,718 --> 00:43:14,330 -Dewey was just moving into a different point in his life. 993 00:43:14,374 --> 00:43:16,245 He had his own construction business, 994 00:43:16,289 --> 00:43:17,725 and he was just like, 995 00:43:17,769 --> 00:43:21,076 "I'm not gonna be a rock 'n roll guy anymore." 996 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,645 How I remember it is, Pete just showed up at The Slave Pit, 997 00:43:24,689 --> 00:43:28,475 drove a solid 20 some hours from Texas 998 00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:30,564 with a huge bag of weed, and was just like, 999 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,958 "I'm gonna be you guys' new guitar player." 1000 00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:35,003 -Okay, I'll tell you about Flattus. 1001 00:43:35,047 --> 00:43:38,093 That's who I was supposed to be when I joined the band. 1002 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:41,401 So, I'm like, "Alright, I'm one of them now, I'm a monster." 1003 00:43:41,444 --> 00:43:44,447 So, I'm after a show, and I'm looking in the mirror, 1004 00:43:44,491 --> 00:43:48,582 and I go, "You look like a fucking dipshit, man. 1005 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,715 I was like, "Wayne, I need a mask, or something, 1006 00:43:50,758 --> 00:43:55,241 'cause my face is not intimidating at all." 1007 00:43:55,284 --> 00:43:58,505 They made me a new costume with Rydal shoulder pads. 1008 00:43:58,548 --> 00:44:00,768 And they fit good, so I can fuckin'... 1009 00:44:02,988 --> 00:44:04,946 -Pete is an assassin. 1010 00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:06,774 He is such a good guitar player. 1011 00:44:06,818 --> 00:44:12,432 [ Guitar solo ] 1012 00:44:12,475 --> 00:44:13,825 Fucking amazing. 1013 00:44:13,868 --> 00:44:22,442 ♪♪ 1014 00:44:22,485 --> 00:44:26,707 -We seemed to not be able to get on MTV at all. 1015 00:44:26,751 --> 00:44:28,361 Where do we put these GWAR videos? 1016 00:44:28,404 --> 00:44:31,320 "Headbangers Ball," 120 minutes, I don't know. 1017 00:44:31,364 --> 00:44:32,626 This doesn't this make any sense. 1018 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,889 It doesn't fit. 1019 00:44:34,933 --> 00:44:37,979 -Mike Judge, apparently, really liked us. 1020 00:44:38,023 --> 00:44:39,720 And he was like, 1021 00:44:39,764 --> 00:44:41,896 "Okay, my characters, they're these people. 1022 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:43,724 What would their favorite band be?" 1023 00:44:43,768 --> 00:44:44,943 "Oh, it would be GWAR," 1024 00:44:44,986 --> 00:44:46,292 Of course, Beavis and Butt-Head's 1025 00:44:46,335 --> 00:44:48,120 favorite band would be GWAR. 1026 00:44:50,209 --> 00:44:53,038 -"Beavis and Butt-Head" was such an important show. 1027 00:44:53,081 --> 00:44:56,737 And because of the autonomy that Mike Judge had 1028 00:44:56,781 --> 00:45:01,002 in programming that show, he was able to go over the heads 1029 00:45:01,046 --> 00:45:03,222 of the people of the Music Programming Department... 1030 00:45:05,964 --> 00:45:08,706 ...and expose them to places in the country 1031 00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:11,621 where there weren't even that many radio stations. 1032 00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:15,887 -You have to watch TV for, like, hour and hours and hours 1033 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:18,150 before you see this video, but, like, when you do, 1034 00:45:18,193 --> 00:45:19,629 then, it's all worth it. -Yeah. 1035 00:45:19,673 --> 00:45:21,588 -We were playing these little punk rock clubs, 1036 00:45:21,631 --> 00:45:23,590 now we're playing this ginormous place, 1037 00:45:23,633 --> 00:45:25,548 'cause "Beavis and Butt-Head loves GWAR, 1038 00:45:25,592 --> 00:45:27,072 so we gotta go check 'em out." 1039 00:45:27,115 --> 00:45:29,291 And everybody was like, "What is that shit?" 1040 00:45:29,335 --> 00:45:30,510 I gotta go see it." 1041 00:45:30,553 --> 00:45:31,772 So, our tours were packed out. 1042 00:45:31,816 --> 00:45:33,252 You know, we were on our way. 1043 00:45:33,295 --> 00:45:35,080 -There's too much cool stuff to keep track of. 1044 00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:37,604 -Yeah. Yeah. 1045 00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:39,301 -The "Beavis and Butt-Head" thing turned into 1046 00:45:39,345 --> 00:45:42,435 the SAGA Genesis Game, which was a really big deal. 1047 00:45:42,478 --> 00:45:46,308 -The point of the whole game was to go to a GWAR concert. 1048 00:45:46,352 --> 00:45:47,745 I just thought that was the coolest thing, 1049 00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:49,659 when I was a kid. 1050 00:45:49,703 --> 00:45:51,531 -I wrote one of them riffs on that song, 1051 00:45:51,574 --> 00:45:53,228 and it ended up on the game. 1052 00:45:53,272 --> 00:45:54,490 They put it on, it was like... 1053 00:45:54,534 --> 00:45:56,710 [Vocalizes] 1054 00:46:00,105 --> 00:46:01,846 "Hey, that's badass. 1055 00:46:01,889 --> 00:46:04,718 Why did I come here?" 1056 00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:07,460 -It seemed like there was another thing every other week. 1057 00:46:07,503 --> 00:46:09,157 Now, we're gonna do "Jerry Springer." 1058 00:46:09,201 --> 00:46:11,769 -There always is black humor in times of change, 1059 00:46:11,812 --> 00:46:13,379 in times of revolution. 1060 00:46:13,422 --> 00:46:15,076 It's been all throughout history, 1061 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,469 and all throughout literature. 1062 00:46:16,512 --> 00:46:19,733 -Okay. Hold on. -Will you welcome... 1063 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:23,041 GWAR! 1064 00:46:23,084 --> 00:46:25,652 -We can blow one of our songs, and rose to 300 feet in the air. 1065 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:27,567 -And hang on the Empire State Building. 1066 00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:30,744 -You probably have already done that on Sally Jesse, but... 1067 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:34,835 [Laughter] 1068 00:46:34,879 --> 00:46:37,359 -We did a skit in our show "The Idiot Box" 1069 00:46:37,403 --> 00:46:39,971 where you sacrifice your daughter to GWAR, 1070 00:46:40,014 --> 00:46:41,450 and they come to your house, and then take your daughter, 1071 00:46:41,494 --> 00:46:42,887 and she ends up in the show, 1072 00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:44,366 and gets fed through a giant meat grinder. 1073 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:46,020 The whole thing is super violent. 1074 00:46:46,064 --> 00:46:47,282 And there would be people in the audience 1075 00:46:47,326 --> 00:46:49,371 who were kind of freaked out. 1076 00:46:49,415 --> 00:46:51,025 And even Heather was freaked out. 1077 00:46:51,069 --> 00:46:52,679 -Well, she got put into a meat grinder. 1078 00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:53,854 -I know, but it wasn't real. 1079 00:46:53,898 --> 00:46:55,290 We weren't really gonna grind her. 1080 00:46:55,334 --> 00:46:57,118 -You never know. -Yeah. 1081 00:46:57,162 --> 00:47:01,514 -Remember the name for your games -- Circuit City. 1082 00:47:01,557 --> 00:47:03,821 -We were in a movie called "Mystery Date." 1083 00:47:03,864 --> 00:47:05,997 In the script it was written, "there's a bar band playing." 1084 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,738 But they say, "Oh, let's get GWAR for that." 1085 00:47:08,782 --> 00:47:10,697 And so, it made for a much better scene, 1086 00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:12,525 'cause he goes, into this punk rock show, 1087 00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:14,048 and there's blood flying everywhere. 1088 00:47:14,092 --> 00:47:17,008 And the girl goes, "Oh, I love this." 1089 00:47:17,051 --> 00:47:20,315 -"Empire Records," another one. 1090 00:47:20,359 --> 00:47:23,884 When we did it, the audience had no idea 1091 00:47:23,928 --> 00:47:25,886 what was going on. 1092 00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:28,367 I mean, but that's to be expected at a GWAR show. 1093 00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:31,239 Weird shit happens. 1094 00:47:31,283 --> 00:47:33,415 -I was not the first person that crawled 1095 00:47:33,459 --> 00:47:35,504 through that cavity that week, 1096 00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:37,985 so it wasn't this sterile environment. 1097 00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:39,813 I do remember that. 1098 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:41,902 -Brockie had some lines, He was gonna do them, 1099 00:47:41,946 --> 00:47:43,556 but we're at the show. 1100 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,428 so, as Oderus, he probably said a few curse words, 1101 00:47:46,472 --> 00:47:49,736 so they dubbed some other voice actor's voice onto it. 1102 00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:51,999 -"You love GWAR. Why don't you join the band?" 1103 00:47:52,043 --> 00:47:53,827 -And they put a big blurry thing, 1104 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:56,438 'cause he had the Cuttlefish on, 'cause it was our live show. 1105 00:47:56,482 --> 00:47:58,440 -When they shot it, it was the full dick, 1106 00:47:58,484 --> 00:48:01,922 which, I remember, he used, like, masturbate it. 1107 00:48:01,966 --> 00:48:07,058 But on the movie, they, like, did this prism digitization. 1108 00:48:07,101 --> 00:48:10,061 But it's a cuttlefish, it's not a dick. 1109 00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:13,891 Do they really look that much like dicks, cuttlefishes? 1110 00:48:13,934 --> 00:48:15,370 -That's how they try to get away with it. 1111 00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:17,807 -That's how they get away with it. 1112 00:48:17,851 --> 00:48:20,941 -So smart. Because indecency laws. 1113 00:48:20,985 --> 00:48:26,033 -To see it turn into such a cult classic, it was awesome. 1114 00:48:26,077 --> 00:48:27,774 -The movie is not about GWAR, 1115 00:48:27,817 --> 00:48:30,298 but that was a gateway for a ton of people 1116 00:48:30,342 --> 00:48:31,952 to find out about, like, us, 1117 00:48:31,996 --> 00:48:33,823 and start buying our albums, and coming to see us. 1118 00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:36,130 So, all those things sort of add up 1119 00:48:36,174 --> 00:48:40,613 to this sort of infamous sort of notoriety we have -- 1120 00:48:40,656 --> 00:48:42,615 not famous, but infamous. 1121 00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:44,443 My dad saw "The Joan Rivers" show. 1122 00:48:44,486 --> 00:48:47,620 -What did he say? -"Weird. Weird." 1123 00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:55,149 -That was GWAR. That was GWAR. 1124 00:48:55,193 --> 00:48:57,108 And... 1125 00:48:57,151 --> 00:49:00,850 they were a little too strong for our airways, here. 1126 00:49:00,894 --> 00:49:03,984 -We got off the ground being a rock n' roll band, 1127 00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:06,030 but we never were a rock n' roll band. 1128 00:49:06,073 --> 00:49:08,293 We were an art collective. 1129 00:49:08,336 --> 00:49:09,772 -Hunter, Don, a lot of the guys, 1130 00:49:09,816 --> 00:49:11,470 a lot of the artists, were like, 1131 00:49:11,513 --> 00:49:15,126 "We wanna make movies. Wanna make full-on movies." 1132 00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:17,432 Don came -- We were riding bikes through Richmond, 1133 00:49:17,476 --> 00:49:18,956 and he's like -- 1134 00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:21,001 "So, we were talking about this character, 1135 00:49:21,045 --> 00:49:26,093 and I think his name is gonna be Skulhedface." 1136 00:49:26,137 --> 00:49:27,486 We're riding bikes, and I'm like, 1137 00:49:27,529 --> 00:49:29,009 "What the fuck are you talking about? 1138 00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:30,315 I don't understand." 1139 00:49:30,358 --> 00:49:32,230 It was typical GWAR fashion. 1140 00:49:32,273 --> 00:49:35,363 There's the cart, and the horse was somewhere back here. 1141 00:49:38,932 --> 00:49:40,978 -We had learned a lot when we worked on 1142 00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:42,588 "Phallus in Wonderland." 1143 00:49:42,631 --> 00:49:45,678 We took that knowledge into working on "Skulhedface." 1144 00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:47,854 and we kind of did it without the Hollywood 1145 00:49:47,897 --> 00:49:49,421 people there this time. 1146 00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:51,597 -We decided to do something even more ambitious. 1147 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,033 We had twice the budget. 1148 00:49:53,077 --> 00:49:54,556 And so, "Skulhedface" 1149 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,342 was this really huge production, by our standards. 1150 00:49:57,385 --> 00:49:59,213 -The production level shot way up. 1151 00:49:59,257 --> 00:50:01,781 Every inch of The Slave Pit was a set. 1152 00:50:01,824 --> 00:50:04,610 We made a full animatronic Skulhedface. 1153 00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:07,004 Everybody's ideas thrown in. 1154 00:50:07,047 --> 00:50:09,397 -That's what I love about GWAR. 1155 00:50:09,441 --> 00:50:13,053 The most insane idea, "Okay, let's do it." 1156 00:50:13,097 --> 00:50:14,402 And then, we do it -- 1157 00:50:14,446 --> 00:50:15,882 and spend a ton of money and time doing it. 1158 00:50:15,925 --> 00:50:21,061 ♪♪ 1159 00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:26,327 ♪♪ 1160 00:50:26,371 --> 00:50:29,069 Really a lot of people's hearts, and, like, months. 1161 00:50:29,113 --> 00:50:33,769 I mean, I lived in my outfit for weeks in that summer. 1162 00:50:33,813 --> 00:50:35,380 We wanted to have all our commercials, 1163 00:50:35,423 --> 00:50:38,165 so we could have the really fun side projects. 1164 00:50:38,209 --> 00:50:43,083 ♪♪ 1165 00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:46,521 -Stuffed dolls, pajamas, video tapes, lunch boxes, 1166 00:50:46,565 --> 00:50:49,829 vitamins, towels, bedspreads, and coloring books. 1167 00:50:49,872 --> 00:50:51,787 -Blow me, fat boy. 1168 00:50:51,831 --> 00:50:53,093 -Yeah, let's do that. 1169 00:50:53,137 --> 00:50:54,616 Let's film a 35-millimeter thing 1170 00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:56,749 about Alien Butt Head Queens 1171 00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:59,099 who produce juice out of their foreheads 1172 00:50:59,143 --> 00:51:00,535 that powers the world. 1173 00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:02,059 And a corporation wants to buy it, 1174 00:51:02,102 --> 00:51:03,886 and suck all the coolness out. 1175 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:05,975 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 1176 00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:07,368 It's so insane. 1177 00:51:07,412 --> 00:51:09,240 I think it's, like, our high water mark 1178 00:51:09,283 --> 00:51:12,069 because it's so weird, and hard to digest. 1179 00:51:12,112 --> 00:51:13,722 That's why I like it so much. 1180 00:51:18,771 --> 00:51:21,165 -That was fun. 1181 00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:22,731 Let's eat. 1182 00:51:24,777 --> 00:51:26,561 -Unfortunately, there was that thing. 1183 00:51:26,605 --> 00:51:28,128 "Who's the director? 1184 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,175 Is it Melanie, or is it Hunter, or is it Dave?" 1185 00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:34,221 I'm still proud of it, but if you watch that movie, 1186 00:51:34,265 --> 00:51:38,443 and you can explain the plot to me, uh, cool. 1187 00:51:38,486 --> 00:51:40,271 [Laughs] 1188 00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:43,361 -We filmed "Skulhedface" in 35 millimeter 1189 00:51:43,404 --> 00:51:45,885 with the intention of it having a theatrical, 1190 00:51:45,928 --> 00:51:48,757 midnight movie cult release. 1191 00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,891 None of that happened. 1192 00:51:51,934 --> 00:51:54,241 After, we were like, "Oh, we're going up." 1193 00:51:54,285 --> 00:51:56,939 Grammy nomination for this one that we sort of threw together, 1194 00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:58,811 Now, we're putting all this effort into it." 1195 00:51:58,854 --> 00:52:03,032 And then, it's just, like, forgotten, cut-out bin. 1196 00:52:03,076 --> 00:52:06,862 I know I saw it physically with Chuck and Don. 1197 00:52:06,906 --> 00:52:09,300 The sudden disappointment really soured them. 1198 00:52:09,343 --> 00:52:11,215 We were like, "Okay, we got a Grammy 1199 00:52:11,258 --> 00:52:12,955 for this last movie. 1200 00:52:12,999 --> 00:52:15,523 'Skulhedface,' we're gonna start making movies, and comics, 1201 00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:18,091 and we're gonna be a punk rock Disney." 1202 00:52:18,135 --> 00:52:20,049 But it's also where it... 1203 00:52:20,093 --> 00:52:22,226 it all fell apart, to a degree. 1204 00:52:27,883 --> 00:52:30,103 -We were mixing... 1205 00:52:30,147 --> 00:52:31,322 "Toilet Earth." 1206 00:52:31,365 --> 00:52:37,589 ♪♪ 1207 00:52:37,632 --> 00:52:39,721 -We were mixing the album, 1208 00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:44,117 and we had to drive back to Richmond for a photo shoot. 1209 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,684 -We were in a station wagon, 1210 00:52:45,727 --> 00:52:47,903 and Pete was sitting in the back. 1211 00:52:47,947 --> 00:52:49,949 We had to take a piss, so we pulled off. 1212 00:52:49,992 --> 00:52:53,822 And right as we did, this car next to us turned, 1213 00:52:53,866 --> 00:52:55,781 very deliberately, in front of us, right? 1214 00:52:55,824 --> 00:52:59,088 So, we clipped, like, just barely hit, his back end. 1215 00:52:59,132 --> 00:53:01,830 -Right away, I'm like, "Drive off. Drive off. 1216 00:53:01,874 --> 00:53:04,006 They're gonna rob us." It was so obvious. 1217 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:06,574 -Guys in the car that hit us immediately hop out, 1218 00:53:06,618 --> 00:53:09,098 and pull out a gun. "Oh shit!" 1219 00:53:09,142 --> 00:53:12,145 So, he floors it, and we just take off. 1220 00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:13,799 And they start shooting at us. 1221 00:53:13,842 --> 00:53:15,670 -It was like an automatic -- semi-automatic handgun. 1222 00:53:15,714 --> 00:53:16,976 It was like... [Imitates rapidfire] 1223 00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:18,499 -One, two, three, four, five. 1224 00:53:18,543 --> 00:53:22,242 And poof, came through, hit me in the chest. 1225 00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:23,852 Everything went slow motion. 1226 00:53:23,896 --> 00:53:25,463 I'm like, "Wow, I have been shot. 1227 00:53:25,506 --> 00:53:26,899 I never thought I'd be shot. 1228 00:53:26,942 --> 00:53:28,509 Wow. I've been shot." 1229 00:53:28,553 --> 00:53:30,642 -He goes, "I'm shot. I'm shot." 1230 00:53:30,685 --> 00:53:33,601 -Straus puts his hand on Pete's chest, 1231 00:53:33,645 --> 00:53:36,517 and he pulls it back, and you could see his hand was all red. 1232 00:53:36,561 --> 00:53:38,171 And he starts freaking out. 1233 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:41,827 And when he did, he kicked the driver. 1234 00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:46,484 So, the driver of the car goes into the median strip, 1235 00:53:46,527 --> 00:53:48,573 and flattens two tires. 1236 00:53:48,616 --> 00:53:50,009 -Blows out the tire 1237 00:53:50,052 --> 00:53:51,706 probably about five blocks away 1238 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:53,752 from where the guy has just shot at us. 1239 00:53:53,795 --> 00:53:55,536 -We open the back of the station wagon. 1240 00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:58,844 Pete is laying on that, and he's sucking wind, 1241 00:53:58,887 --> 00:54:00,411 because his lung is punctured. 1242 00:54:00,454 --> 00:54:03,065 So, he's going like... [imitates heavy breathing] 1243 00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:04,763 Right? 1244 00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:06,504 And we're watching him die. That's what we think. 1245 00:54:06,547 --> 00:54:11,509 -I jump into the back with Pete, and, like, the tail gate's open, 1246 00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:13,815 and he's just sitting in the back of the station wagon. 1247 00:54:13,859 --> 00:54:17,297 And here comes this car, flying around the corner, 1248 00:54:17,341 --> 00:54:18,690 hauling ass up to us. 1249 00:54:18,733 --> 00:54:21,214 Everyone just bolts into the ghetto. 1250 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,738 But Derks stayed there with me. 1251 00:54:23,782 --> 00:54:26,785 -All these guys with guns jump out of the car, 1252 00:54:26,828 --> 00:54:28,439 fucking pointing them at me and Pete. 1253 00:54:28,482 --> 00:54:30,702 -And they put guns in the air and they go, "Freeze." 1254 00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:33,052 -"Freeze." 1255 00:54:33,095 --> 00:54:35,489 -I immediately soiled my pants, 'cause I had to pee. 1256 00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:36,969 Remember, I had to pee. 1257 00:54:37,012 --> 00:54:38,492 I was holding it after they shot me. 1258 00:54:38,536 --> 00:54:39,798 That's pretty good. 1259 00:54:39,841 --> 00:54:41,887 They shoot me, and I'm still holding it. 1260 00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:43,976 It seemed like an hour went by, and he finally goes, 1261 00:54:44,019 --> 00:54:45,369 "Gang patrol." 1262 00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,109 I'm like, "Damn. Thank God." 1263 00:54:47,153 --> 00:54:48,372 'Cause I thought he was gonna shoot me 1264 00:54:48,415 --> 00:54:50,243 right in the fucking face. 1265 00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:54,726 -And they were just like these plain clothes gangster cops. 1266 00:54:54,769 --> 00:54:56,554 I guess they infiltrated gangs, and stuff. 1267 00:54:56,597 --> 00:55:00,340 But they looked like fucking gangsters. 1268 00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:01,907 -I didn't experience them as police. 1269 00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:04,562 Like, they got out, and I just started running. 1270 00:55:04,605 --> 00:55:07,608 And they pull us all back. And Derks is still there. 1271 00:55:07,652 --> 00:55:09,436 Derks never ran. 1272 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,961 He stayed there with Pete, thinking that he was gonna die. 1273 00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:15,442 He just stayed there. 1274 00:55:15,486 --> 00:55:17,705 That's the kind of guy he is. 1275 00:55:17,749 --> 00:55:19,272 -Yeah, he's not very smart, is he? 1276 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:21,666 [Laughs] 1277 00:55:21,709 --> 00:55:23,581 No, I love Derks to death, man. 1278 00:55:23,624 --> 00:55:26,105 We have a bond, man. 1279 00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:27,933 'cause I would've been running like a motherfucker. 1280 00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:30,022 [Laughs] I'm kidding. 1281 00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:32,111 I relayed all the information to the cop. 1282 00:55:32,154 --> 00:55:33,895 And he's looking at Derks and he's like, 1283 00:55:33,939 --> 00:55:38,465 "I'm worried about that guy. He looks like he's in shock." 1284 00:55:38,509 --> 00:55:40,467 -Yeah. I kind of... 1285 00:55:40,511 --> 00:55:41,947 blanked out after that. 1286 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,341 I don't remember getting to the hospital. 1287 00:55:44,384 --> 00:55:46,386 -We were on the way to do a photo shoot, 1288 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:47,692 and I didn't make it, 1289 00:55:47,735 --> 00:55:49,911 and they still had to do the shoot. 1290 00:55:49,955 --> 00:55:52,131 -What I remember about this, 1291 00:55:52,174 --> 00:55:54,568 we've already rented the cameras, 1292 00:55:54,612 --> 00:55:56,309 we've already got the lights. 1293 00:55:56,353 --> 00:56:00,531 It's all set up. We have to film this tomorrow. 1294 00:56:00,574 --> 00:56:04,273 We're coming to get you in this van, me and Derks. 1295 00:56:04,317 --> 00:56:05,840 And Derks, at this point, 1296 00:56:05,884 --> 00:56:09,714 like, I am more worried about him than I am Pete, 1297 00:56:09,757 --> 00:56:12,673 because he's rattled, man. 1298 00:56:12,717 --> 00:56:14,501 Like, he's not talking at all. 1299 00:56:14,545 --> 00:56:16,938 And his eyes don't look right. 1300 00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:18,462 And... 1301 00:56:18,505 --> 00:56:20,725 they put us in the back of this van. 1302 00:56:20,768 --> 00:56:22,030 Like, they come up to get us in a van 1303 00:56:22,074 --> 00:56:23,467 that doesn't have seats in it. 1304 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:25,120 it was just a back, right? 1305 00:56:25,164 --> 00:56:28,602 And so, every time the van -- it would bounce, 1306 00:56:28,646 --> 00:56:33,781 we would scream out, 'cause we were so raw. 1307 00:56:33,825 --> 00:56:39,744 And I resented that more than I can describe to you right now. 1308 00:56:39,787 --> 00:56:42,442 That slave attitude that I talked about earlier, 1309 00:56:42,486 --> 00:56:45,097 the dark side of that is that the individual 1310 00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:46,446 didn't matter at all. 1311 00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:47,795 Not at all. 1312 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:49,449 That's what it felt like to me. 1313 00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:51,538 I felt traumatized by that. 1314 00:56:51,582 --> 00:56:55,107 And I didn't understand why or how 1315 00:56:55,150 --> 00:56:57,326 they could let it get to that point. 1316 00:56:57,370 --> 00:57:00,112 And so, that's really why I left. 1317 00:57:03,463 --> 00:57:09,077 -So, Pete had to have a big section of his colon taken out. 1318 00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:11,471 Lived with a colostomy bag for years, 1319 00:57:11,515 --> 00:57:14,909 and still having health issues related to it. 1320 00:57:14,953 --> 00:57:16,215 -Watcha gonna do? 1321 00:57:16,258 --> 00:57:17,782 Welcome to America. 1322 00:57:19,784 --> 00:57:21,786 But... 1323 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:24,353 don't ride in a hatchback if you're gonna get shot at. 1324 00:57:24,397 --> 00:57:25,790 [Laughs] 1325 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:28,140 -But as soon as he could, he was back on stage, 1326 00:57:28,183 --> 00:57:30,272 rocking out with a colostomy bag. 1327 00:57:30,316 --> 00:57:35,800 ♪♪ 1328 00:57:35,843 --> 00:57:37,192 -Did you have a cesarian? 1329 00:57:37,236 --> 00:57:39,499 -Oh, that's where the ringworm went in. 1330 00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:42,154 Right there. Big -- Big ringworm. 1331 00:57:42,197 --> 00:57:43,503 Texas ringworm. 1332 00:57:43,547 --> 00:57:47,115 ♪♪ 1333 00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:49,030 -Yeah, when GWAR was looking for a bass player, 1334 00:57:49,074 --> 00:57:52,164 I knew the perfect guy for GWAR, and it was Casey. 1335 00:57:52,207 --> 00:57:54,209 -Of course, Casey, coming from Rigor Mortis, 1336 00:57:54,253 --> 00:57:58,823 that's, like, legitimate metal player. 1337 00:57:58,866 --> 00:58:00,738 -I was 100% on board. 1338 00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,261 And then, he told me 1339 00:58:02,304 --> 00:58:03,784 I'd have to pay for my own flight up to Richmond. 1340 00:58:03,828 --> 00:58:05,960 And I was broke as a joke. 1341 00:58:06,004 --> 00:58:09,921 So, I said "I can't." 1342 00:58:09,964 --> 00:58:11,705 -I was like "Really?" 1343 00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:14,099 -Luckily, he called me the next day, 1344 00:58:14,142 --> 00:58:15,927 and said he had talked them into it, 1345 00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:17,972 and they were gonna pay for my flight up there. 1346 00:58:18,016 --> 00:58:19,583 That was it. 1347 00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:23,674 I just had to learn some songs, and I had them. 1348 00:58:23,717 --> 00:58:25,197 It doesn't take much. 1349 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,894 You can put on a hat and feel like a cowboy. 1350 00:58:26,938 --> 00:58:28,417 Put on a Beefcake costume, 1351 00:58:28,461 --> 00:58:31,638 and I turned into that version of Beefcake. 1352 00:58:31,682 --> 00:58:34,162 Man, it was like joining a fraternity, joining a family. 1353 00:58:34,206 --> 00:58:36,730 You know, it really was. 1354 00:58:36,774 --> 00:58:41,169 Beefcake The Mighty, number 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. 1355 00:58:49,177 --> 00:58:51,049 -We were on "Metal Blade." 1356 00:58:51,092 --> 00:58:53,312 And metal blade was getting picked up by Warner Bros. 1357 00:58:53,355 --> 00:58:54,705 -Which would be huge for GWAR, right? 1358 00:58:54,748 --> 00:58:56,445 Like, the next step. 1359 00:58:56,489 --> 00:58:57,838 We would get into more record stores, 1360 00:58:57,882 --> 00:58:59,492 we'd have a bigger push, marketing-wise, 1361 00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:01,494 behind the record, all of this stuff. 1362 00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,931 -At that time, Warner had just been bought by Time Inc, 1363 00:59:03,975 --> 00:59:06,586 which is this huge multinational corporation. 1364 00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:10,068 So, of course, the first record we put out is a GWAR record 1365 00:59:10,111 --> 00:59:14,594 with a song called "BDF" -- "Baby Dick Fuck" on it. 1366 00:59:14,638 --> 00:59:17,510 -They were like, "Yeah, we're not putting that out." 1367 00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:20,774 -It was so filthy that, I mean I thought I'd heard it all. 1368 00:59:20,818 --> 00:59:25,692 But Brockie, wordsmith that he is, managed to find a way. 1369 00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:26,867 -"If you get rid of that song, 1370 00:59:26,911 --> 00:59:29,696 we'll take you to the next level." 1371 00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:32,046 So, like, from here to here, I guess. 1372 00:59:32,090 --> 00:59:33,918 and it meant more money. 1373 00:59:33,961 --> 00:59:35,963 We had a meeting about it. 1374 00:59:36,007 --> 00:59:39,227 A bunch of artists and musicians trying to come to one decision. 1375 00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:41,186 I was like, "I'm staying out of this shit. 1376 00:59:41,229 --> 00:59:42,535 I'm the new guy. 1377 00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:43,623 It's like...[Babbles] 1378 00:59:43,667 --> 00:59:45,320 -Brockie made a speech 1379 00:59:45,364 --> 00:59:47,932 that would have made Mark Anthony blush, 1380 00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:50,630 saying that we'll never fall back on our art. 1381 00:59:50,674 --> 00:59:52,850 And so, Warner Bros. dropped us. 1382 00:59:52,893 --> 00:59:54,808 So, we found out the hard way 1383 00:59:54,852 --> 00:59:57,724 that we really cannot get away with everything. 1384 00:59:59,770 --> 01:00:03,382 -"Metal Blade" backed us on it, so they kind of missed out 1385 01:00:03,425 --> 01:00:06,515 on getting their major Warner Bros. distribution 1386 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,648 because of us. 1387 01:00:08,692 --> 01:00:11,651 -I'm a stern believer in you sign an artist, 1388 01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:13,174 and they have a vision, 1389 01:00:13,218 --> 01:00:14,436 and they have what they wanna say and do, 1390 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,221 and they should do that. 1391 01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:19,006 I'm the last person to censor what they should do or say. 1392 01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:20,747 To that fact, I mean, we gave up a record deal 1393 01:00:20,791 --> 01:00:22,357 with Warner Bros. records 1394 01:00:22,401 --> 01:00:24,838 just because we couldn't put out a GWAR record. 1395 01:00:24,882 --> 01:00:28,015 -We shipped 70,000 albums. 70,000 albums. 1396 01:00:28,059 --> 01:00:32,106 We charted at 168, and we were so ecstatic. 1397 01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:36,241 And then, all of a sudden, 40,000 records get shipped back. 1398 01:00:36,284 --> 01:00:39,157 -They had some pretty poppy songs that could have been, 1399 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,203 not radio hits, but could have been, you know, something. 1400 01:00:42,247 --> 01:00:44,466 But Dave would always put in crazy lyrics in there 1401 01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:45,729 that would prohibit them 1402 01:00:45,772 --> 01:00:46,947 from getting ever played on the radio. 1403 01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:48,688 -♪ Fish fuck, baby 1404 01:00:48,732 --> 01:00:50,385 ♪ I'm gonna fuck you with a fish ♪ 1405 01:00:50,429 --> 01:00:52,126 I remember, one day, I was talking to Dave, 1406 01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:55,216 and he's like, "Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have messed that up. 1407 01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:56,740 Maybe we should have written a pop song. 1408 01:00:56,783 --> 01:00:59,656 Maybe I should have not put in five 'fucks,' 1409 01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:01,440 and whatever else was in there." 1410 01:01:01,483 --> 01:01:03,007 "Well, there you go. 1411 01:01:03,050 --> 01:01:04,835 You probably should have done that." 1412 01:01:04,878 --> 01:01:08,403 -The thing is, we never really had the chance to sell out. 1413 01:01:08,447 --> 01:01:11,276 We never had, "If you just do this, 1414 01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:13,321 you'll get this pot of gold." 1415 01:01:13,365 --> 01:01:16,455 Because if that happened, you know what, we probably would. 1416 01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:19,414 [Laughs] 1417 01:01:19,458 --> 01:01:22,417 As long as it's a decent-sized pot of gold. 1418 01:01:22,461 --> 01:01:31,165 ♪♪ 1419 01:01:31,209 --> 01:01:36,649 -How many people out there have heard of Slave Pit Incorporated? 1420 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:39,260 Slave Pit is sponsoring a special section 1421 01:01:39,304 --> 01:01:41,741 of the T-shirt tonight, featuring -- 1422 01:01:41,785 --> 01:01:44,439 featuring cool comics 1423 01:01:44,483 --> 01:01:47,225 written and drawn by the guys in GWAR. 1424 01:01:47,268 --> 01:01:51,055 My goals were very different from Dave Brockie's goals. 1425 01:01:51,098 --> 01:01:53,753 I wanted to publish comic books and make movies. 1426 01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:56,538 Dave wanted to be a super rock star. 1427 01:01:56,582 --> 01:01:58,540 Dave wanted to make movies and comics, as well, 1428 01:01:58,584 --> 01:02:00,760 but he just wanted it to be about him. 1429 01:02:00,804 --> 01:02:04,285 And that was where our divergence and clashes 1430 01:02:04,329 --> 01:02:06,331 all eliminated, basically. 1431 01:02:06,374 --> 01:02:07,767 -There was always tension 1432 01:02:07,811 --> 01:02:09,943 between all the hierarchy people. 1433 01:02:09,987 --> 01:02:12,772 It was a little bit destructive, 1434 01:02:12,816 --> 01:02:16,645 because there wasn't cohesion with those people, 1435 01:02:16,689 --> 01:02:18,778 because everybody was vying for their own position, 1436 01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:22,216 trying to fight to have their spot in the band. 1437 01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:24,044 And the gladiatorial competition 1438 01:02:24,088 --> 01:02:26,917 to have the stronger idea survive, 1439 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,137 I mean, Hunter and Dave having to constantly battle 1440 01:02:30,181 --> 01:02:33,097 with each other, and have this tension. 1441 01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:36,927 -To me, being in GWAR was like being on 1442 01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:40,234 the world's greatest basketball team, 1443 01:02:40,278 --> 01:02:42,759 but you never make it to the playoffs 1444 01:02:42,802 --> 01:02:46,284 because your own teammates are always stealing the ball 1445 01:02:46,327 --> 01:02:48,373 just as you're about to score. 1446 01:02:48,416 --> 01:02:50,941 And I felt like I had to dance with the devil 1447 01:02:50,984 --> 01:02:54,248 in order to get a lot of things accomplished. 1448 01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:57,643 -Me and Hunter had static multiple times from things, 1449 01:02:57,686 --> 01:03:00,733 where I thought I'm helping Hunter, 1450 01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:04,693 and then he took it as a slight towards him. 1451 01:03:04,737 --> 01:03:07,914 You know, instead of it looking like master and apprentice, 1452 01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:10,482 he looked at it as competition. 1453 01:03:10,525 --> 01:03:13,093 -Hunter is sort of a genius. 1454 01:03:13,137 --> 01:03:15,835 Like, I'm a big fan of his art and his concepts. 1455 01:03:15,879 --> 01:03:18,751 But he doesn't play well with others, you know? 1456 01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:22,146 He thinks that, if anyone takes one of his ideas, 1457 01:03:22,189 --> 01:03:23,538 and changes it -- 1458 01:03:23,582 --> 01:03:25,366 which is the nature of collaboration -- 1459 01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:30,067 that it's someone doing something to you. 1460 01:03:30,110 --> 01:03:32,547 -Listen to the songs that Hunter Jackson sings. 1461 01:03:32,591 --> 01:03:34,941 Listen to what he's saying in those songs. 1462 01:03:34,985 --> 01:03:39,163 They're all like, "You fucked up. 1463 01:03:39,206 --> 01:03:41,643 You ruined everything. 1464 01:03:41,687 --> 01:03:43,863 You took this away from me." 1465 01:03:43,907 --> 01:03:47,127 It's like, all of that stuff was there on stage. 1466 01:03:47,171 --> 01:03:52,654 -♪ How dare you try to make a slave of me ♪ 1467 01:03:52,698 --> 01:03:54,526 -And everybody knew it. Hunter knew it, you know? 1468 01:03:54,569 --> 01:03:56,963 So, it was always like... 1469 01:03:57,007 --> 01:04:01,011 real, but also at the distance that art allowed. 1470 01:04:01,054 --> 01:04:04,231 -♪ Won't you die 1471 01:04:07,321 --> 01:04:10,150 -Me and Bobby, you know, we were slaves. 1472 01:04:10,194 --> 01:04:12,109 That's how we were identified for the longest time. 1473 01:04:12,152 --> 01:04:14,502 It was like, "Oh, isn't it nice that they let you 1474 01:04:14,546 --> 01:04:16,983 come out on tour with them, and blah, blah, blah, blah." 1475 01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:18,855 We were the guys that were sort of, 1476 01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:21,161 "Look, oh, don't listen to that punk kid. 1477 01:04:21,205 --> 01:04:22,684 He doesn't know what he's talking about." 1478 01:04:22,728 --> 01:04:24,904 And at a certain point, I didn't. 1479 01:04:24,948 --> 01:04:27,559 But you're giving up so much of your life, 1480 01:04:27,602 --> 01:04:29,169 and you're struggling so hard 1481 01:04:29,213 --> 01:04:31,606 to be part of this thing that's so great, 1482 01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:33,913 and you're just slaves. 1483 01:04:33,957 --> 01:04:35,045 -Don't get so close to the camera. 1484 01:04:35,088 --> 01:04:36,307 Do that over again. 1485 01:04:36,350 --> 01:04:37,961 Don't get so close to the camera. 1486 01:04:38,004 --> 01:04:40,572 -I was looking at a lot of these older guys for tutelage 1487 01:04:40,615 --> 01:04:42,313 in what was happening. 1488 01:04:42,356 --> 01:04:43,705 Come to find later on, they didn't know 1489 01:04:43,749 --> 01:04:45,011 what the hell they were doing, either. 1490 01:04:45,055 --> 01:04:52,627 ♪♪ 1491 01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:54,020 -GWAR was at this stage 1492 01:04:54,064 --> 01:04:55,935 where we just did whatever we wanted. 1493 01:04:55,979 --> 01:04:58,198 So, if we wanted to play stuff that wasn't thrash or punk, 1494 01:04:58,242 --> 01:05:00,418 or stuff that wasn't metal, we did it. 1495 01:05:00,461 --> 01:05:03,203 -♪ Now they know that they can't control us ♪ 1496 01:05:03,247 --> 01:05:05,379 ♪ I'm Sleazy, and I think you outta know this ♪ 1497 01:05:05,423 --> 01:05:07,904 ♪ Everybody rip everybody else off ♪ 1498 01:05:07,947 --> 01:05:10,036 ♪ Everybody rip, rip everybody off ♪ 1499 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,256 -It's not like today, where the fans could tell you 1500 01:05:12,299 --> 01:05:13,822 immediately what they think of it. 1501 01:05:13,866 --> 01:05:15,433 We were just sort of like, "Well, we're GWAR. 1502 01:05:15,476 --> 01:05:17,304 We're gonna write whatever kind of music we want. 1503 01:05:17,348 --> 01:05:18,610 And we did it. 1504 01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:20,351 - Come on, ladies, sing it with me. 1505 01:05:20,394 --> 01:05:23,006 ♪ Don't need a lover 1506 01:05:23,049 --> 01:05:25,834 ♪ Don't need a man 1507 01:05:25,878 --> 01:05:28,228 -We thought the band should be much larger than they were. 1508 01:05:28,272 --> 01:05:31,057 -Grammy nominations, they're doing huge headline tours, 1509 01:05:31,101 --> 01:05:32,885 they're doing all this amazing art, 1510 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:35,757 but we didn't have the sales 1511 01:05:35,801 --> 01:05:38,238 that we all felt that the band should have. 1512 01:05:38,282 --> 01:05:41,546 -Long-form video had been a big form of income for us, 1513 01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:44,853 because we would get, like, $100,000 budgets, 1514 01:05:44,897 --> 01:05:46,507 and that would pay people's salaries, 1515 01:05:46,551 --> 01:05:50,294 and pay for us to come up with a new plan, and new idea. 1516 01:05:50,337 --> 01:05:52,339 And all that money was sort of drying up. 1517 01:05:52,383 --> 01:05:54,385 And we were touring a lot, and touring, and touring, 1518 01:05:54,428 --> 01:05:56,561 and touring, and touring and it was just relentless. 1519 01:05:56,604 --> 01:05:57,997 -[Indistinct] 1520 01:05:58,041 --> 01:06:00,086 Mr. Nicholson is suggesting the three of you 1521 01:06:00,130 --> 01:06:04,003 could be joined by a friend of yours for an additional $100. 1522 01:06:04,047 --> 01:06:07,528 -I fucking did a lot of partying on the road. 1523 01:06:07,572 --> 01:06:11,750 I toured a long time with being shot, you know? 1524 01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:14,100 I mean, I toured with a colostomy bag. 1525 01:06:14,144 --> 01:06:16,015 That's not the healthiest lifestyle 1526 01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:19,018 if you're not good friends with will power. 1527 01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:21,325 And I wasn't. 1528 01:06:21,368 --> 01:06:25,372 -As I remember it, a point came where we just all felt like, 1529 01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:29,898 if he doesn't go home, and take care of himself, 1530 01:06:29,942 --> 01:06:31,552 he's going to die. 1531 01:06:31,596 --> 01:06:32,814 He's going to die. 1532 01:06:32,858 --> 01:06:34,468 -He was in a bad place, anyway, 1533 01:06:34,512 --> 01:06:37,558 so, I think, when GWAR approached him 1534 01:06:37,602 --> 01:06:41,910 to sit out the tour cycle, and get healthy, 1535 01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:46,872 and come back, he heard, "Get out, and fuck off." 1536 01:06:46,915 --> 01:06:49,396 -I definitely needed a break. 1537 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,529 And they gave me one by firing me. 1538 01:06:51,572 --> 01:06:52,747 [Laughs] 1539 01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:59,754 ♪♪ 1540 01:06:59,798 --> 01:07:01,060 -I called my brother, and he's like, 1541 01:07:01,104 --> 01:07:04,933 "Dude, Dave Brockie left a message?" 1542 01:07:04,977 --> 01:07:08,459 He was like, "It's Oderus Urungus from GWAR." 1543 01:07:08,502 --> 01:07:10,678 He goes, "It sounds like fucking Oderus 1544 01:07:10,722 --> 01:07:14,073 is yelling at me on my answering machine." 1545 01:07:14,117 --> 01:07:16,380 -I want my fucking cuttlefish back! 1546 01:07:16,423 --> 01:07:19,339 -And so, then, I'm getting an audition with GWAR. 1547 01:07:19,383 --> 01:07:21,080 Cut to just a few weeks later, 1548 01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:24,997 and I'm walking out, in this Flattus Maximus costume, 1549 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,261 with shoulder pads and the dumb flipper feet. 1550 01:07:28,305 --> 01:07:29,523 Yeah. 1551 01:07:29,567 --> 01:07:30,872 And looking in the mirror at myself, like, 1552 01:07:30,916 --> 01:07:32,961 "What the fuck am I doing?" 1553 01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:38,924 ♪♪ 1554 01:07:38,967 --> 01:07:40,795 And so, it felt like a superhero. 1555 01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:42,101 It felt awesome. 1556 01:07:42,145 --> 01:07:45,104 ♪♪ 1557 01:07:45,148 --> 01:07:47,541 -Who said that we kill everything? 1558 01:07:47,585 --> 01:07:51,110 -Which just happens to be the name of GWAR's new album. 1559 01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:55,114 [Indistinct talking] 1560 01:07:55,158 --> 01:07:59,466 ♪♪ 1561 01:07:59,510 --> 01:08:02,295 -I was always, as a fan of music, 1562 01:08:02,339 --> 01:08:04,384 gotten kind of critical of bands that I like 1563 01:08:04,428 --> 01:08:06,038 when they get kind of silly. 1564 01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:09,520 And then, I'm the one singing as a giant talking toilet 1565 01:08:09,563 --> 01:08:11,174 on that one album. 1566 01:08:11,217 --> 01:08:13,611 [Indistinct] 1567 01:08:16,831 --> 01:08:19,660 We got to an HR Pufnstuf stage, where our bodyguard 1568 01:08:19,704 --> 01:08:23,229 has a big penis with big ball sack, Popeye chin, 1569 01:08:23,273 --> 01:08:25,405 And it got really silly, 1570 01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:27,451 and not metal, and I understand 1571 01:08:27,494 --> 01:08:29,801 why albums weren't selling as well, 1572 01:08:29,844 --> 01:08:33,152 and "Metal Blade" wasn't as interested in us. 1573 01:08:33,196 --> 01:08:35,154 -The show wasn't working. It was confusing. 1574 01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:39,158 People were like, "What in the fuck is happening?" 1575 01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:40,594 The thing about it is, 1576 01:08:40,638 --> 01:08:43,815 Brockie is also the most gregarious, 1577 01:08:43,858 --> 01:08:46,600 hysterical human being I ever met in my life. 1578 01:08:46,644 --> 01:08:51,649 I remember, we played Europe, and I walked into the airport, 1579 01:08:51,692 --> 01:08:56,349 and Dave has a leather jacket, leather pants, motorcycle boots, 1580 01:08:56,393 --> 01:08:58,960 and wraparound, like, Oakley sunglasses, 1581 01:08:59,004 --> 01:09:01,354 and he's the Terminator. 1582 01:09:01,398 --> 01:09:03,922 And I just go up to him, and I'm like, "Terminator." 1583 01:09:03,965 --> 01:09:06,620 And he's just standing in the middle of the airport. 1584 01:09:06,664 --> 01:09:07,621 I go, "Dave, what are you doing?" 1585 01:09:07,665 --> 01:09:09,275 He goes, "There is no Dave." 1586 01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,235 And so, he's actually impersonating the Terminator. 1587 01:09:12,278 --> 01:09:14,150 Ad I'm like, "Kickass." 1588 01:09:14,193 --> 01:09:15,673 'Cause with Dave, you never knew 1589 01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:18,110 how long you were in on this ride. 1590 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:21,287 Turns out, a few months. 1591 01:09:21,331 --> 01:09:22,723 He didn't break character. 1592 01:09:22,767 --> 01:09:26,858 He was the Terminator for the entire tour. 1593 01:09:26,901 --> 01:09:30,557 And at one point, we were walking in the streets 1594 01:09:30,601 --> 01:09:33,821 in New Orleans, broad daylight, and we could hear him -- 1595 01:09:33,865 --> 01:09:37,260 somebody running behind us, and it was Brockie, 1596 01:09:37,303 --> 01:09:40,045 totally Donald Ducking, but Terminator-style, 1597 01:09:40,088 --> 01:09:43,353 so, he had a leather jacket with no pants and combat boots -- 1598 01:09:43,396 --> 01:09:44,919 or his, like, motorcycle boots. 1599 01:09:44,963 --> 01:09:46,399 And he was just jacking off, 1600 01:09:46,443 --> 01:09:50,708 running down the street, with sunglasses on. 1601 01:09:50,751 --> 01:09:52,057 Yeah. 1602 01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:53,885 -[Laughs] 1603 01:09:53,928 --> 01:09:56,540 I mean, You don't forget that. 1604 01:09:56,583 --> 01:10:00,761 -My vision of him as a friend was this guy 1605 01:10:00,805 --> 01:10:03,590 who always had a great story to tell 1606 01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:07,246 in the most ridiculous way possible. 1607 01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:09,988 He always had a way of making you feel special, 1608 01:10:10,031 --> 01:10:11,337 and making you feel involved, 1609 01:10:11,381 --> 01:10:13,861 but he was also, like, hard to handle. 1610 01:10:13,905 --> 01:10:19,693 Like, you had to be in a wild mood to even keep up with Dave. 1611 01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:24,263 -We had this super fan who would send us bottles of liquid acid. 1612 01:10:24,307 --> 01:10:26,744 And they'd be in the freezer at the Slave Pit. 1613 01:10:26,787 --> 01:10:28,833 I'm up there working on something with Don, 1614 01:10:28,876 --> 01:10:32,271 and Dave comes in with a bunch of people he's collected. 1615 01:10:32,315 --> 01:10:34,142 They're gonna go on an adventure. 1616 01:10:34,186 --> 01:10:37,537 And Dave pulls the bottle of liquid acid out of the freezer, 1617 01:10:37,581 --> 01:10:39,278 and he squirts so much into his eyeball. 1618 01:10:39,322 --> 01:10:40,410 I couldn't believe it. 1619 01:10:40,453 --> 01:10:43,195 Just like... 1620 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:44,849 And then, he was gone for three days. 1621 01:10:44,892 --> 01:10:48,026 And I heard stuff like all over town, like, "Oh, we were -- 1622 01:10:48,069 --> 01:10:53,379 I think we were running up the center of 64 median naked." 1623 01:10:53,423 --> 01:10:56,600 And then, like, you know, he comes in to work Monday, 1624 01:10:56,643 --> 01:10:58,166 and it's like nothing happened. 1625 01:10:58,210 --> 01:10:59,690 And he's just like [hums] 1626 01:10:59,733 --> 01:11:01,909 "I was tripping my balls off for three days. 1627 01:11:01,953 --> 01:11:03,171 I don't remember, really, what happened." 1628 01:11:03,215 --> 01:11:05,261 It's like, all these epic journeys 1629 01:11:05,304 --> 01:11:08,176 to the center of the mind. 1630 01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:11,092 So, yeah, I mean, that's where he drew his creative well, 1631 01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:13,356 but sometimes, it's really rough to work with someone, 1632 01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:17,273 or trying to rein that kind of personality in. 1633 01:11:17,316 --> 01:11:19,666 -Once he got on one of these binges, 1634 01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:23,104 the lack of sleep would make him get a little unhinged, 1635 01:11:23,148 --> 01:11:25,063 a little unbalanced, 1636 01:11:25,106 --> 01:11:28,893 and he was trying to convince people to join his movement. 1637 01:11:28,936 --> 01:11:31,330 -Sometimes, he'd just get pretty divorced from reality, 1638 01:11:31,374 --> 01:11:33,332 and it would be a little scary. 1639 01:11:33,376 --> 01:11:35,465 Like, the Hale-Bopp thing was happening, 1640 01:11:35,508 --> 01:11:37,945 and Heaven's Gate was all happening. 1641 01:11:37,989 --> 01:11:43,690 -Your only chance to evacuate is to leave with us. 1642 01:11:43,734 --> 01:11:46,127 -The rest of us, we're just making some art. 1643 01:11:46,171 --> 01:11:50,349 This is a lot of, like, input to come up with these weird ideas. 1644 01:11:50,393 --> 01:11:52,873 Dave sort of started getting into believing it, 1645 01:11:52,917 --> 01:11:54,353 and talking about how Slave Pit 1646 01:11:54,397 --> 01:11:57,530 was going to become their own renegade compound, 1647 01:11:57,574 --> 01:11:59,315 and go up against the government, and stuff. 1648 01:11:59,358 --> 01:12:00,533 And it would be like, 1649 01:12:00,577 --> 01:12:03,928 "Oh, okay, like, where -- where -- 1650 01:12:03,971 --> 01:12:06,060 are you in character, now, talking about this?" 1651 01:12:06,104 --> 01:12:10,151 -♪ Summoning the master 1652 01:12:10,195 --> 01:12:13,154 ♪ Call forth his form most vile ♪ 1653 01:12:13,198 --> 01:12:14,895 -Dave never thought he was taking it far enough, 1654 01:12:14,939 --> 01:12:16,506 or being true enough, 1655 01:12:16,549 --> 01:12:18,290 so he would, like, really push the boundaries. 1656 01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:22,033 And it would be sometimes where he was just out there. 1657 01:12:22,076 --> 01:12:26,254 -There were plenty of times when I saw Dave perform, 1658 01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:29,693 and I'm like, "Oh, my God, Dave is gone. 1659 01:12:29,736 --> 01:12:32,870 Whatever demon or monster drives him 1660 01:12:32,913 --> 01:12:35,394 is fully in control now, 1661 01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:37,962 and Dave Brockie is only a passenger 1662 01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:40,834 watching from the back seat." 1663 01:12:40,878 --> 01:12:43,097 -There's not many people that come along in your life 1664 01:12:43,141 --> 01:12:45,186 that are as big as Dave Brockie -- 1665 01:12:45,230 --> 01:12:48,102 this, just, hyper- artistic guy 1666 01:12:48,146 --> 01:12:49,800 with a bazillion ideas in his head, 1667 01:12:49,843 --> 01:12:54,282 going at all times, very well read, very intelligent, 1668 01:12:54,326 --> 01:12:57,111 but at the same time, he had that sense of danger. 1669 01:12:57,155 --> 01:12:59,853 Like, you know he's gonna break that thing. 1670 01:12:59,897 --> 01:13:01,377 He's not gonna be able to help himself, 1671 01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,117 By the end of this interview, 1672 01:13:03,161 --> 01:13:06,294 he's gonna break that fucking vase. 1673 01:13:06,338 --> 01:13:09,820 -When you do an interview, say, with Dave Brockie, 1674 01:13:09,863 --> 01:13:12,257 you are getting bowled over. 1675 01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,433 You could be sitting there in a monster costume, 1676 01:13:14,477 --> 01:13:17,741 you're not gonna say a fucking word, because why would you? 1677 01:13:17,784 --> 01:13:20,047 Whatever you say is gonna pale in comparison 1678 01:13:20,091 --> 01:13:23,007 to the amazing things that are coming out of his mouth, 1679 01:13:23,050 --> 01:13:26,227 like dictation from a higher being. 1680 01:13:26,271 --> 01:13:27,968 -It worries me that somebody, somewhere, 1681 01:13:28,012 --> 01:13:29,492 is gonna watch you guys, and say, 1682 01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:31,885 "Okay, that's what we do." 1683 01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:33,452 -Well, let them join the army, or something. 1684 01:13:33,496 --> 01:13:34,714 There's plenty of outlets for that. 1685 01:13:34,758 --> 01:13:37,587 He was one of the all-time greats -- 1686 01:13:37,630 --> 01:13:40,067 the all-time greats, there's no doubt about it. 1687 01:13:40,111 --> 01:13:42,243 There's never gonna be anyone like that guy. 1688 01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:46,683 -Dave was really talented, but he was not a generous performer. 1689 01:13:46,726 --> 01:13:50,687 It wasn't about making room for other people to do what they do. 1690 01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:53,559 Like, they gave us the questions for that show. 1691 01:13:53,603 --> 01:13:56,170 So, we get them from Joan's producers. 1692 01:13:56,214 --> 01:13:58,390 Before we go, we're sitting there talking about 1693 01:13:58,434 --> 01:13:59,739 what we're gonna do, 1694 01:13:59,783 --> 01:14:01,132 and thinking of the ways we're gonna answer, 1695 01:14:01,175 --> 01:14:02,829 and who's gonna say what, right? 1696 01:14:02,873 --> 01:14:06,964 But then, we get there, and Dave starts saying it all -- 1697 01:14:07,007 --> 01:14:10,184 like, all the stuff we had planned to say. 1698 01:14:10,228 --> 01:14:12,796 -I don't watch -- I don't watch much television. 1699 01:14:12,839 --> 01:14:15,581 -Of course we do. -Except for your show. 1700 01:14:15,625 --> 01:14:17,583 We watch your show 24 hours a day. 1701 01:14:17,627 --> 01:14:19,063 -All the time. All the time. 1702 01:14:19,106 --> 01:14:21,413 -And Dave, like, it never crossed his mind that 1703 01:14:21,457 --> 01:14:24,329 that was something that he wouldn't do. 1704 01:14:24,372 --> 01:14:26,244 -Same thing with Sexecutioner. 1705 01:14:26,287 --> 01:14:28,115 Chuck would make these cool things 1706 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,248 for the Sexecutioner to do, 1707 01:14:30,291 --> 01:14:31,684 and then, by the end of the show, 1708 01:14:31,728 --> 01:14:33,512 Oderus would be doing them. 1709 01:14:33,556 --> 01:14:35,993 There wasn't room enough for the Sexecutioner 1710 01:14:36,036 --> 01:14:39,518 and Dave Brockie's ego on the stage at the same time. 1711 01:14:39,562 --> 01:14:42,869 -I loved it. [Indistinct] my baby. 1712 01:14:42,913 --> 01:14:46,394 It's the one thing that I did that people liked. 1713 01:14:46,438 --> 01:14:49,528 But it just wasn't fun anymore. 1714 01:14:49,572 --> 01:14:51,835 I think everybody was shocked when I just said, 1715 01:14:51,878 --> 01:14:53,967 "No. I've had enough. I'm gonna go." 1716 01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:59,625 -I think Dave was at the point where he didn't want 1717 01:14:59,669 --> 01:15:03,020 all these extra characters stealing stage time from him, 1718 01:15:03,063 --> 01:15:08,939 or up-staging him with their girly butt, or whatever. 1719 01:15:08,982 --> 01:15:11,942 In my artistic journey, I had to keep going. 1720 01:15:11,985 --> 01:15:13,552 And I was doing the Miss Electra thing. 1721 01:15:13,596 --> 01:15:16,033 And it was a little, maybe, too dangerous 1722 01:15:16,076 --> 01:15:17,556 or the band was afraid of it. 1723 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,166 And then, at that point, I was like, 1724 01:15:19,210 --> 01:15:20,690 "If I can't shoot lightning on stage with GWAR, 1725 01:15:20,733 --> 01:15:22,039 then, I'm outta here." 1726 01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:23,388 [Laughs] 1727 01:15:26,434 --> 01:15:28,698 -We had a lot of cool shit planned, 1728 01:15:28,741 --> 01:15:30,874 but Dave and I were just working against each other 1729 01:15:30,917 --> 01:15:32,223 just too much. 1730 01:15:32,266 --> 01:15:35,400 It was fucked up. 1731 01:15:35,443 --> 01:15:39,491 -We'd just finished filming "It's Sleazy." 1732 01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:40,884 We were gonna do it all ourselves, 1733 01:15:40,927 --> 01:15:43,277 and Hunter was the director this time. 1734 01:15:43,321 --> 01:15:47,325 -I was finally given the directorship of the project, 1735 01:15:47,368 --> 01:15:50,720 but the catch is, Dave is the producer. 1736 01:15:50,763 --> 01:15:55,725 What happens is, Dave hires all of his half-ass junkie friends 1737 01:15:55,768 --> 01:15:59,380 to be the crew, and half of them don't show up. 1738 01:15:59,424 --> 01:16:02,035 And the ones that do show up make outrageous, 1739 01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:05,996 crazy mistakes that fucked us. 1740 01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:07,824 -We'd just got all the footage filmed, 1741 01:16:07,867 --> 01:16:12,045 and next thing I heard is like, "Yeah, Hunter left." 1742 01:16:12,089 --> 01:16:13,873 "Wait, he's gonna do the movie, though, right?" 1743 01:16:13,917 --> 01:16:15,875 And they're like, "No. He's just gone." 1744 01:16:15,919 --> 01:16:19,792 -Here I am, supposedly one of his best friends, 1745 01:16:19,836 --> 01:16:23,622 and he gives me a week's notice that he's leaving. 1746 01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:25,102 He doesn't tell anybody in the band. 1747 01:16:25,145 --> 01:16:27,191 He just says, "Hey, by the way, I'm moving. 1748 01:16:27,234 --> 01:16:28,888 I'm taking off." 1749 01:16:28,932 --> 01:16:33,284 -I was just like, "You know, Dave is just so out there. 1750 01:16:33,327 --> 01:16:34,677 I don't want to be a part of it." 1751 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,635 As much as I loved GWAR -- 1752 01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:39,116 I did GWAR until I was 40 years old, 1753 01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:42,815 and I poured everything I had into it -- 1754 01:16:42,859 --> 01:16:46,645 I just didn't see the story having a happy ending. 1755 01:16:46,689 --> 01:16:48,342 -So, it ended up being me and Dave, 1756 01:16:48,386 --> 01:16:50,518 sitting there, editing this movie. 1757 01:16:50,562 --> 01:16:54,131 And I'd never edited film, or anything like that. 1758 01:16:54,174 --> 01:16:55,872 So, I had to learn how to edit film, 1759 01:16:55,915 --> 01:17:00,746 and do an entire feature length thing in a couple weeks. 1760 01:17:03,706 --> 01:17:06,491 -So, I had this separate bank account 1761 01:17:06,534 --> 01:17:09,799 that I was being really super guarded of, 1762 01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:12,105 because I knew that, in the future, 1763 01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:16,632 I was going to wanna print comic books, which cost, what, $5,000? 1764 01:17:16,675 --> 01:17:18,938 what would happen if I went to the musicians, and go, 1765 01:17:18,982 --> 01:17:23,900 "Hey, dude, I need $5,000 so I can print this comic book." 1766 01:17:23,943 --> 01:17:25,205 What do you think they're gonna do? 1767 01:17:25,249 --> 01:17:26,816 They're gonna fucking laugh. 1768 01:17:26,859 --> 01:17:28,382 -He had moved away. 1769 01:17:28,426 --> 01:17:31,298 You know, he'd moved away to Philly, and had... 1770 01:17:31,342 --> 01:17:33,126 There was this discrepancy of, 1771 01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:34,345 "What are you doing with that money? 1772 01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:35,694 There's that money sitting there. 1773 01:17:35,738 --> 01:17:37,174 What do we want to do with this money?" 1774 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:38,741 -I'm on the tour bus, and, all of a sudden, 1775 01:17:38,784 --> 01:17:42,309 all this screaming and conflagration breaks out. 1776 01:17:42,353 --> 01:17:44,094 And Dave has grabbed Hunter. 1777 01:17:44,137 --> 01:17:46,487 He's trying to drag him, pull him out onto the bunk. 1778 01:17:46,531 --> 01:17:48,881 I had to get in between the two, and separate them. 1779 01:17:48,925 --> 01:17:52,363 Dave was holding a flyer that was advertising, 1780 01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:54,191 "Slave Pit merchandise." 1781 01:17:54,234 --> 01:17:59,544 And on it, the address was Hunter's Philadelphia address. 1782 01:17:59,587 --> 01:18:03,722 Hunter was running his own GWAR merchandise department, 1783 01:18:03,766 --> 01:18:08,031 and not informing us, or sharing any of the profits. 1784 01:18:08,074 --> 01:18:12,078 Dave basically considered that the ultimate backstab. 1785 01:18:12,122 --> 01:18:13,993 -And they go, "Hey, all that money 1786 01:18:14,037 --> 01:18:16,039 that you've made selling comic books 1787 01:18:16,082 --> 01:18:17,823 in the parking lot while we were partying, 1788 01:18:17,867 --> 01:18:20,696 we decided that it all belongs to us." 1789 01:18:22,785 --> 01:18:25,657 And that was how I got kicked out of GWAR. 1790 01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,443 -That's when he thinks that he was kicked out of the band. 1791 01:18:29,487 --> 01:18:32,751 And as far as I'm concerned -- 1792 01:18:32,795 --> 01:18:35,449 and this is how I viewed that meeting -- 1793 01:18:35,493 --> 01:18:38,365 he was never kicked out of the band, ever. 1794 01:18:38,409 --> 01:18:41,804 But I don't think he was interested, at that point. 1795 01:18:41,847 --> 01:18:44,850 I think he thought, with Dave around, 1796 01:18:44,894 --> 01:18:46,460 there was too much opposition, 1797 01:18:46,504 --> 01:18:48,419 and he didn't want to deal with Dave anymore. 1798 01:18:48,462 --> 01:18:51,378 I know that was one of the major sticking points. 1799 01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:54,730 He didn't wanna deal with Dave. 1800 01:18:54,773 --> 01:18:57,254 Years after that, he would just show up at my house. 1801 01:18:57,297 --> 01:18:59,778 And I'd let him come, and take whatever he wanted. 1802 01:18:59,822 --> 01:19:03,129 He took off with tons of our artwork, 1803 01:19:03,173 --> 01:19:05,871 and things that we've never gotten back, you know? 1804 01:19:05,915 --> 01:19:08,439 But I was like open-door policy -- 1805 01:19:08,482 --> 01:19:11,094 "Come on in. Take what you need. 1806 01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:13,444 you're one of the main creators of this. 1807 01:19:13,487 --> 01:19:17,187 I'm your friend. Take what you need." 1808 01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:20,973 But still, to this day, I don't think he sees it that way. 1809 01:19:21,017 --> 01:19:23,584 -Toward the end, I was just so tired of fighting everybody 1810 01:19:23,628 --> 01:19:25,804 to try to get anything done. 1811 01:19:25,848 --> 01:19:27,719 People that I don't even respect 1812 01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:32,332 voting on what projects I do and don't get to work on. 1813 01:19:32,376 --> 01:19:37,903 And mostly, they're -- a lot of times, they're motivated by 1814 01:19:37,947 --> 01:19:40,863 just wanting to thwart my efforts, 1815 01:19:40,906 --> 01:19:43,430 and bring Hunter down a peg. 1816 01:19:43,474 --> 01:19:46,259 There was just too much of that kind of stupid stuff going on. 1817 01:19:46,303 --> 01:19:47,608 It was counterproductive. 1818 01:19:47,652 --> 01:19:49,741 And I feel totally free, 1819 01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:54,093 and have no desire to go back to struggling with those assholes. 1820 01:19:58,619 --> 01:20:01,318 -Yeah, it's a... 1821 01:20:01,361 --> 01:20:03,102 it's a tough one, with Hunter. 1822 01:20:03,146 --> 01:20:07,759 I mean, for a long time, man, like, when I first got there, 1823 01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:12,024 he was my teacher, he was my friend. 1824 01:20:12,068 --> 01:20:15,071 And I know that, like, the master and apprentice 1825 01:20:15,114 --> 01:20:16,899 kind of relationship goes into this thing 1826 01:20:16,942 --> 01:20:18,248 where everybody's cool 1827 01:20:18,291 --> 01:20:20,076 because you're learning from the guy, 1828 01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:21,555 and then, you go on, 1829 01:20:21,599 --> 01:20:24,428 and the idea is to surpass the master. 1830 01:20:24,471 --> 01:20:26,343 The apprentice becomes the master. 1831 01:20:26,386 --> 01:20:29,215 And I don't think Hunter ever understood that part of it. 1832 01:20:29,259 --> 01:20:31,348 He resented it more than... 1833 01:20:31,391 --> 01:20:34,307 And he kind of let it destroy our friendship. 1834 01:20:34,351 --> 01:20:36,092 And it was unfortunate, 1835 01:20:36,135 --> 01:20:38,790 because we had a pretty fucking amazing friendship. 1836 01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:42,359 And I miss it. You know, I miss him. 1837 01:20:42,402 --> 01:20:46,842 And, you know, it's... 1838 01:20:46,885 --> 01:20:49,192 it's an unfortunate mess of this, you know? 1839 01:20:49,235 --> 01:20:51,934 ♪♪ 1840 01:20:51,977 --> 01:20:54,501 Yeah. Sorry. 1841 01:20:54,545 --> 01:20:55,981 -I don't know, man. 1842 01:20:56,025 --> 01:20:59,985 I sort of like being 3,000 miles away from them. 1843 01:21:00,029 --> 01:21:02,553 I'm glad to be 3,000 miles away from Richmond, 1844 01:21:02,596 --> 01:21:05,425 Virginia, right now. 1845 01:21:05,469 --> 01:21:07,384 -He was just gone. 1846 01:21:07,427 --> 01:21:10,909 And people just kind of lost faith in it, I think. 1847 01:21:10,953 --> 01:21:12,911 And they just needed to live their own lives. 1848 01:21:12,955 --> 01:21:14,434 People had to move on. 1849 01:21:14,478 --> 01:21:17,568 We'd been doing it for well over a decade, 1850 01:21:17,611 --> 01:21:19,962 and people were growing up, and getting older, 1851 01:21:20,005 --> 01:21:21,441 and everyone kind of realized, 1852 01:21:21,485 --> 01:21:23,617 "Okay, GWAR is never gonna be huge. 1853 01:21:23,661 --> 01:21:26,446 And I'm not ever gonna get rich doing this band. 1854 01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:30,842 And how much of my life am I gonna dedicate to it? 1855 01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:34,106 And am I gonna end up 50 years old..." 1856 01:21:34,150 --> 01:21:38,937 [Laughs] "...and this is all I have?" 1857 01:21:38,981 --> 01:21:40,896 -Don was pretty much gone. 1858 01:21:40,939 --> 01:21:43,811 He was still around, but just coming in when he needed to be, 1859 01:21:43,855 --> 01:21:45,596 and then, just doing his own thing. 1860 01:21:45,639 --> 01:21:47,598 Danielle had moved to LA. 1861 01:21:47,641 --> 01:21:49,165 Chuck was in New York. 1862 01:21:49,208 --> 01:21:51,558 -Casey and I went to Dallas. 1863 01:21:51,602 --> 01:21:53,821 Bobby and Matt moved to New York. 1864 01:21:53,865 --> 01:21:56,955 We were just on a hiatus. 1865 01:21:56,999 --> 01:21:59,958 -You know, It was really, like, Dave, Derks, and Brad. 1866 01:22:00,002 --> 01:22:01,960 Like, that was it. 1867 01:22:02,004 --> 01:22:04,745 -Also, we lost our old Slave Pit on Chamberlain. 1868 01:22:04,789 --> 01:22:06,138 This guy had bought the building, 1869 01:22:06,182 --> 01:22:09,446 and was gonna turn into a used-car place. 1870 01:22:09,489 --> 01:22:11,839 That was kind of the last straw, 1871 01:22:11,883 --> 01:22:14,712 whenever we put everything into storage. 1872 01:22:14,755 --> 01:22:16,366 -I loved GWAR. 1873 01:22:16,409 --> 01:22:18,803 It had been a good part of my life up to that point. 1874 01:22:18,846 --> 01:22:21,588 But I figured, you know, like... 1875 01:22:21,632 --> 01:22:24,504 it's not really sustainable. 1876 01:22:24,548 --> 01:22:26,680 [Indistinct talking] 1877 01:22:33,209 --> 01:22:34,993 [Indistinct talking] 1878 01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:41,565 -When it came time to do the next record, 1879 01:22:41,608 --> 01:22:44,307 there was all these just wacky ideas rolling around. 1880 01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:46,570 And it was like, "Aren't we metal? 1881 01:22:46,613 --> 01:22:48,311 Aren't we supposed to be in that world? 1882 01:22:48,354 --> 01:22:49,573 'Cause that's who we're playing with, 1883 01:22:49,616 --> 01:22:51,488 and that's who we're touring with." 1884 01:22:51,531 --> 01:22:54,708 So, me and Zach were just kind of not really into the idea, 1885 01:22:54,752 --> 01:22:56,884 and kind of decided, "Well, man, maybe -- 1886 01:22:56,928 --> 01:22:59,104 you know, maybe we should step down." 1887 01:22:59,148 --> 01:23:03,282 -But I'm this young, idealistic little shit. 1888 01:23:03,326 --> 01:23:04,980 And I sold them on the idea. 1889 01:23:05,023 --> 01:23:06,503 I was like -- me and Casey did. 1890 01:23:06,546 --> 01:23:09,549 It was "Dude, let's just make a metal record 1891 01:23:09,593 --> 01:23:13,684 that's about death, and war, and blood, and guts." 1892 01:23:13,727 --> 01:23:15,077 -We didn't, like, set out, 1893 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,861 "Okay, every song has to be heavy." 1894 01:23:16,904 --> 01:23:18,645 The mindset sort of changed. 1895 01:23:21,126 --> 01:23:22,867 -I was talking to Dave fairly often. 1896 01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:24,782 It wasn't like I was estranged, or mad at him. 1897 01:23:24,825 --> 01:23:27,045 I was just like, "I've just gotta do my own thing." 1898 01:23:27,089 --> 01:23:30,962 And so, when he played me some of the stuff, I was like -- 1899 01:23:31,006 --> 01:23:32,616 He's like, "Are you gonna be involved, 1900 01:23:32,659 --> 01:23:34,748 if we do a tour, and build stuff?" 1901 01:23:34,792 --> 01:23:37,360 And I was just like, "God, man. Yeah. Like, this is awesome. 1902 01:23:37,403 --> 01:23:38,839 This is what I want to hear. 1903 01:23:38,883 --> 01:23:40,232 Yeah. Play some metal." 1904 01:23:40,276 --> 01:23:47,109 ♪♪ 1905 01:23:47,152 --> 01:23:48,849 -♪ Centuries of carnage 1906 01:23:48,893 --> 01:23:51,939 ♪ Centuries of chaos yet unfolded ♪ 1907 01:23:51,983 --> 01:23:54,029 -In that timeframe, in that hiatus, 1908 01:23:54,072 --> 01:23:57,075 that was the most money I've ever made in my adult life, 1909 01:23:57,119 --> 01:24:00,470 because I was doing movies, and I was doing commercials. 1910 01:24:00,513 --> 01:24:03,212 I was actually doing production stuff, 1911 01:24:03,255 --> 01:24:05,997 and getting paid the right amount to do it. 1912 01:24:06,041 --> 01:24:07,520 I got a call from Dave, and he was like, 1913 01:24:07,564 --> 01:24:10,262 "Well, we're getting the band back together." 1914 01:24:13,004 --> 01:24:16,834 -When you had people like Hunter, and Chuck, and Don 1915 01:24:16,877 --> 01:24:18,879 moving on, we were so lucky 1916 01:24:18,923 --> 01:24:22,666 that we had Bobby and Matt that had sort of come in 1917 01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:24,755 apprenticing, and things like that. 1918 01:24:24,798 --> 01:24:28,628 They were so ready and willing to take the baton, 1919 01:24:28,672 --> 01:24:30,195 and not miss a beat, 1920 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,545 and still put on these dynamic, amazing shows, 1921 01:24:32,589 --> 01:24:35,722 which is building Rome in a day, you know, every day. 1922 01:24:35,766 --> 01:24:37,985 -And those guys were like, "We got it." 1923 01:24:38,029 --> 01:24:39,944 And they fucking did. 1924 01:24:39,987 --> 01:24:42,120 -In some other band, they would just be like, roadies. 1925 01:24:42,164 --> 01:24:43,817 But these guys, they are GWAR. 1926 01:24:43,861 --> 01:24:45,906 They made all this stuff. They make this art. 1927 01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:47,560 And, like, what band do you know -- 1928 01:24:47,604 --> 01:24:49,519 metal band that takes an 18-wheeler 1929 01:24:49,562 --> 01:24:51,129 full of shit with 'em. 1930 01:24:51,173 --> 01:24:53,523 There's not a ton. And they have to take that. 1931 01:24:53,566 --> 01:24:56,482 'Cause what other band has a giant fucking dinosaur? 1932 01:24:56,526 --> 01:25:04,403 ♪♪ 1933 01:25:04,447 --> 01:25:08,668 -When we came back to go GWAR again, we were in debt. 1934 01:25:08,712 --> 01:25:10,757 We were getting ready to lose our space. 1935 01:25:10,801 --> 01:25:12,019 -We had said for years, 1936 01:25:12,063 --> 01:25:15,153 "This is too hard for us to do festivals. 1937 01:25:15,197 --> 01:25:17,764 Our breakdown and setup time is too long." 1938 01:25:17,808 --> 01:25:21,942 But when we sort of realized our mindset is stuck in the way 1939 01:25:21,986 --> 01:25:23,422 we have always done stuff, 1940 01:25:23,466 --> 01:25:25,381 but it doesn't have to be that way. 1941 01:25:25,424 --> 01:25:26,643 Just nuts and bolts. 1942 01:25:26,686 --> 01:25:28,166 Like, "That's stupid. Don't do that. 1943 01:25:28,210 --> 01:25:29,559 Do this instead." 1944 01:25:29,602 --> 01:25:33,780 ♪♪ 1945 01:25:33,824 --> 01:25:35,652 We were just like, "Shit, we're getting a second wind. 1946 01:25:35,695 --> 01:25:37,523 Let's fucking grab it. 1947 01:25:37,567 --> 01:25:39,743 If we get the offers for shows, let's just keep taking them." 1948 01:25:39,786 --> 01:25:42,267 But being older, and spending a lot of time on tour 1949 01:25:42,311 --> 01:25:44,008 leads to some bad habits. 1950 01:25:44,051 --> 01:25:46,184 And not just the drinking every night 1951 01:25:46,228 --> 01:25:48,447 because you're so bored or lonely, 1952 01:25:48,491 --> 01:25:50,232 but the physical toll. 1953 01:25:50,275 --> 01:25:54,888 Like, Dave classic, like, back, jumping around and singing 1954 01:25:54,932 --> 01:25:57,630 with those costumes on your back. 1955 01:25:57,674 --> 01:26:02,200 I remember hearing about people just stealing, or getting oxies, 1956 01:26:02,244 --> 01:26:06,291 and just being like, "Huh, that's weird." 1957 01:26:06,335 --> 01:26:08,815 [Crowd chanting "GWAR!"] 1958 01:26:08,859 --> 01:26:12,819 -I loved Dave Brockie. I looked up to him. 1959 01:26:12,863 --> 01:26:15,735 I asked him questions about life. 1960 01:26:15,779 --> 01:26:18,564 And one thing about Brockie is, no matter how much partying, 1961 01:26:18,608 --> 01:26:20,740 how off the rails he was, how crazy he was, 1962 01:26:20,784 --> 01:26:23,482 when it came show time, he was fucking... 1963 01:26:23,526 --> 01:26:25,484 He loaded that truck in. 1964 01:26:25,528 --> 01:26:27,225 He did the show. 1965 01:26:27,269 --> 01:26:30,141 He pulled the work of all of us, 1966 01:26:30,185 --> 01:26:32,099 and then, loaded that truck out. 1967 01:26:32,143 --> 01:26:35,712 And then, all bets are off. 1968 01:26:35,755 --> 01:26:39,498 But his work ethic started waning, you know? 1969 01:26:39,542 --> 01:26:41,587 He started missing sound checks. 1970 01:26:41,631 --> 01:26:45,156 And it just wasn't him. 1971 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,899 And I somehow had the wherewithal to go, 1972 01:26:48,942 --> 01:26:51,249 "I don't wanna be present for this. 1973 01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:55,862 So, please, do something about this. 1974 01:26:55,906 --> 01:26:57,995 And if you don't, I'm gonna have to go." 1975 01:26:58,038 --> 01:27:01,216 And he's, "Dude, you're right," 1976 01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:02,695 Whatever. And he was supposedly -- 1977 01:27:02,739 --> 01:27:04,088 and he didn't. 1978 01:27:04,131 --> 01:27:05,263 He didn't. And I knew he didn't. 1979 01:27:05,307 --> 01:27:10,921 ♪♪ 1980 01:27:10,964 --> 01:27:13,358 -When Zack left, Cory was right there 1981 01:27:13,402 --> 01:27:15,534 to jump in, and take the reins, 1982 01:27:15,578 --> 01:27:17,275 and write even more contemporary metal. 1983 01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:21,584 ♪♪ 1984 01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:24,151 -Cory was such an easy person to get along with. 1985 01:27:24,195 --> 01:27:26,153 He was so... 1986 01:27:26,197 --> 01:27:30,593 I don't wanna say "simple," but he had this charm to him 1987 01:27:30,636 --> 01:27:33,509 that you just could not dislike the guy. 1988 01:27:33,552 --> 01:27:36,947 -Now it's cool, 'cause I don't have to get a real job. 1989 01:27:36,990 --> 01:27:38,862 I can do this, and pay my bills. 1990 01:27:38,905 --> 01:27:43,301 -He had this whole new blood kind of metal thing going on. 1991 01:27:43,345 --> 01:27:45,521 And he was younger, and he was hungry. 1992 01:27:45,564 --> 01:27:48,437 and they would just make me have to play harder, and play stuff 1993 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,308 that I never even thought about playing before. 1994 01:27:50,352 --> 01:27:55,748 ♪♪ 1995 01:27:55,792 --> 01:27:59,752 -The thing about Flattus is there's been countless people 1996 01:27:59,796 --> 01:28:01,319 in the Flattus costume. 1997 01:28:01,363 --> 01:28:03,321 Somebody told me that, for photo shoots, 1998 01:28:03,365 --> 01:28:05,932 and press stuff, and all those different things, 1999 01:28:05,976 --> 01:28:09,414 there have been upwards of 30 people in the Flattus costume. 2000 01:28:09,458 --> 01:28:13,244 Cory was just such a little caveman full of metal, 2001 01:28:13,288 --> 01:28:15,768 and I think he made that character become 2002 01:28:15,812 --> 01:28:19,511 what it always sort of seemed like it was trying to be. 2003 01:28:19,555 --> 01:28:21,339 And that's no slight to anybody else 2004 01:28:21,383 --> 01:28:22,906 that ever played the character. 2005 01:28:22,949 --> 01:28:25,256 It's just -- It's like the costume fit him better. 2006 01:28:27,519 --> 01:28:29,304 The Sounds from the Underground, 2007 01:28:29,347 --> 01:28:33,699 it introduced us to sort of a new generation of rock kids 2008 01:28:33,743 --> 01:28:36,702 who would not have thought GWAR was cool, starting like this, 2009 01:28:36,746 --> 01:28:38,051 and by the end, just being crushed, 2010 01:28:38,095 --> 01:28:41,054 'cause we would do a lot in a half-hour. 2011 01:28:41,098 --> 01:28:43,448 These kids coming to the shows were kids. 2012 01:28:43,492 --> 01:28:47,365 These bands were young kids, and their fans were young kids. 2013 01:28:47,409 --> 01:28:48,801 Kids who weren't even born 2014 01:28:48,845 --> 01:28:50,760 when some of the first GWAR stuff came out. 2015 01:28:50,803 --> 01:28:52,544 So, we weren't sure how they were gonna go over, 2016 01:28:52,588 --> 01:28:54,067 but of course, they went down a storm. 2017 01:28:54,111 --> 01:28:56,331 Kids loved them, freaked out about it, 2018 01:28:56,374 --> 01:28:57,984 and they became a staple of that tour. 2019 01:28:58,028 --> 01:29:06,471 ♪♪ 2020 01:29:06,515 --> 01:29:09,213 -We toured three and a half months straight one time. 2021 01:29:09,256 --> 01:29:10,910 I mean, it was insane. 2022 01:29:10,954 --> 01:29:13,130 And I remember going, like, "Wow, I got through that." 2023 01:29:13,173 --> 01:29:14,392 I had money. 2024 01:29:14,436 --> 01:29:15,915 But I just remember, like, 2025 01:29:15,959 --> 01:29:19,354 the toll that it took on people, personally. 2026 01:29:19,397 --> 01:29:20,790 It's rough. 2027 01:29:20,833 --> 01:29:23,401 I could see that, even though things were good, 2028 01:29:23,445 --> 01:29:24,837 we pushed it too hard. 2029 01:29:24,881 --> 01:29:26,709 We toured too much. 2030 01:29:26,752 --> 01:29:29,581 We kept saying, like, "Hey, we can get another tour this year, 2031 01:29:29,625 --> 01:29:31,453 make a lot more money." 2032 01:29:31,496 --> 01:29:33,977 And we were just like, "Fuck it, alright." 2033 01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:39,243 ♪♪ 2034 01:29:39,286 --> 01:29:44,422 ♪♪ 2035 01:29:44,466 --> 01:29:47,425 -I was lying in my bunk, and I heard... 2036 01:29:47,469 --> 01:29:48,992 Eddy, our tour manager. 2037 01:29:56,565 --> 01:29:58,654 Eddy was banging on everybody's bunks, 2038 01:29:58,697 --> 01:30:00,699 to get their passports, 2039 01:30:00,743 --> 01:30:03,615 'cause we were going -- crossing into Canada. 2040 01:30:03,659 --> 01:30:05,051 And so, I pulled my curtain back, 2041 01:30:05,095 --> 01:30:07,837 and Eddy was knocking on Cory's bunk, 2042 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,186 and he wouldn't wake up. 2043 01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:11,406 And he opened it, and tried to wake him. 2044 01:30:20,676 --> 01:30:24,506 -When we sat down after the police took us to the hotel, 2045 01:30:24,549 --> 01:30:27,944 we kind of talked about, like, "What should we do?" 2046 01:30:27,987 --> 01:30:29,946 As we talked about it, it was like, 2047 01:30:29,989 --> 01:30:31,600 "The only way we can help his widow, 2048 01:30:31,643 --> 01:30:34,037 the only way we can help ourselves, 2049 01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,169 is to do what we're doing." 2050 01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:38,868 'Cause we go home, we're all gonna go home, 2051 01:30:38,911 --> 01:30:40,696 and go to our individual houses, 2052 01:30:40,739 --> 01:30:45,135 and probably have, like, a nervous breakdown, you know? 2053 01:30:45,178 --> 01:30:47,137 -We continued on with the tour. 2054 01:30:47,180 --> 01:30:50,183 We cancelled one show, and played... 2055 01:30:50,227 --> 01:30:55,624 the night after he died, we were up on stage again. 2056 01:30:55,667 --> 01:30:58,409 Finished out that tour. 2057 01:31:02,065 --> 01:31:04,807 -We're a bunch of dudes that don't really 2058 01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:06,373 talk to each other in that way. 2059 01:31:06,417 --> 01:31:08,680 It's amazing that we've been together for so long, 2060 01:31:08,724 --> 01:31:10,203 and we don't really relate 2061 01:31:10,247 --> 01:31:13,163 on any sort of deep, emotional level. 2062 01:31:13,206 --> 01:31:14,947 We're all such weirdos. 2063 01:31:14,991 --> 01:31:18,037 So, like, being together, and grieving together on tour was, 2064 01:31:18,081 --> 01:31:20,953 like, the most helpful thing for me, personally. 2065 01:31:23,042 --> 01:31:24,479 It helped me process it. 2066 01:31:27,046 --> 01:31:29,353 -When Cory died, we kinda realized that 2067 01:31:29,396 --> 01:31:31,311 you're more than just putting the suit on. 2068 01:31:31,355 --> 01:31:33,052 You become that character. 2069 01:31:33,096 --> 01:31:36,055 And if you die as that character, that character dies. 2070 01:31:36,099 --> 01:31:43,541 ♪♪ 2071 01:31:43,585 --> 01:31:51,157 ♪♪ 2072 01:31:51,201 --> 01:31:54,291 -My wife was really good friends with Cory. 2073 01:31:54,334 --> 01:31:58,643 So, when we got the news that Cory had passed, 2074 01:31:58,687 --> 01:32:01,559 she was -- I had to stop my wife from running out of the door. 2075 01:32:01,603 --> 01:32:02,821 She wanted to go see Jamie, 2076 01:32:02,865 --> 01:32:05,084 which is Cory's wife at the time. 2077 01:32:05,128 --> 01:32:06,477 She was just devastated. 2078 01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:07,739 I mean, that was like a member -- 2079 01:32:07,783 --> 01:32:09,654 That was somebody very close to us. 2080 01:32:09,698 --> 01:32:13,092 Eventually, I get a call from Mike Derks, 2081 01:32:13,136 --> 01:32:15,573 asking to go try out. 2082 01:32:15,617 --> 01:32:18,097 And I didn't know who else tried out, 2083 01:32:18,141 --> 01:32:19,969 but I just remember telling myself 2084 01:32:20,012 --> 01:32:22,232 that nobody else can have this 2085 01:32:22,275 --> 01:32:26,366 because they're not in that circle. 2086 01:32:26,410 --> 01:32:28,499 I didn't want a stranger to take this job, 2087 01:32:28,543 --> 01:32:30,849 you know, to take this burden. 2088 01:32:30,893 --> 01:32:32,547 -Here he is right now, ladies and gentlemen. 2089 01:32:32,590 --> 01:32:34,026 -Oh, my God. Look. 2090 01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:35,854 -Posthumous, come here. -Victory. 2091 01:32:35,898 --> 01:32:40,598 -You bear a striking resemblance to your family member, Flattus. 2092 01:32:40,642 --> 01:32:43,732 -Antoinette and Aunt Cindy are doing very well. 2093 01:32:43,775 --> 01:32:45,908 Thank you very much. -I told you he was deaf. 2094 01:32:45,951 --> 01:32:48,606 -He's just a fucking straight-up rocker, man. 2095 01:32:48,650 --> 01:32:52,523 I mean, he's of that old-school rock n' roll heavy metal. 2096 01:32:52,567 --> 01:32:54,264 He stepped up a lot, man. 2097 01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:56,614 He did all these little promos for the tour. 2098 01:32:56,658 --> 01:32:58,355 They're amazing, man. 2099 01:32:58,398 --> 01:33:02,489 -Time for you to get a little Christmas spear...it. 2100 01:33:04,753 --> 01:33:09,453 -To be a fan, to cross over into a member of the band, 2101 01:33:09,496 --> 01:33:11,150 you have these thoughts and these impressions 2102 01:33:11,194 --> 01:33:12,456 of these people that you don't know, 2103 01:33:12,499 --> 01:33:14,284 that you're looking, reading about. 2104 01:33:14,327 --> 01:33:16,503 Meeting them is one thing, and then actually becoming, 2105 01:33:16,547 --> 01:33:19,898 like, really close to people is another. 2106 01:33:19,942 --> 01:33:21,987 That's kind of where it, I guess, 2107 01:33:22,031 --> 01:33:26,426 changes the most, is when you're not -- 2108 01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:28,777 sometimes, you're not a fan anymore, you're just family. 2109 01:33:28,820 --> 01:33:38,656 ♪♪ 2110 01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:40,702 -Please welcome GWAR's delightful singer, 2111 01:33:40,745 --> 01:33:42,051 Oderus Urungus. 2112 01:33:42,094 --> 01:33:43,835 -Hello. Hello. 2113 01:33:43,879 --> 01:33:45,576 -Now, you hate Earth, don't you? 2114 01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:47,665 -Oh, I despise it. But I love it at the same time. 2115 01:33:47,709 --> 01:33:49,493 -Yeah, you do. 2116 01:33:49,536 --> 01:33:51,800 -See, Earth is the only place in the galaxy that has crack. 2117 01:33:51,843 --> 01:33:53,192 -Yeah, that's true. 2118 01:33:53,236 --> 01:33:55,151 [Laughter] 2119 01:33:55,194 --> 01:33:59,198 -"Viva La Bam," basically, I got $300,000 per episode 2120 01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:00,852 to do whatever the hell that I wanted. 2121 01:34:00,896 --> 01:34:03,333 And it was usually messing with my parents, 2122 01:34:03,376 --> 01:34:05,248 turning the house into a skate park, 2123 01:34:05,291 --> 01:34:07,424 alligator in the kitchen, things like that. 2124 01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:11,820 -[Screams] 2125 01:34:11,863 --> 01:34:13,125 What are you doing here?! 2126 01:34:13,169 --> 01:34:14,561 -It's scary upstairs. 2127 01:34:14,605 --> 01:34:15,911 -Aren't your friends up there with you? 2128 01:34:15,954 --> 01:34:17,608 -[Crying] They're not my friends. 2129 01:34:17,652 --> 01:34:20,872 They're not my friends. 2130 01:34:20,916 --> 01:34:22,787 -Oderus Urungus. 2131 01:34:22,831 --> 01:34:25,921 It was the story of how Oderus couldn't be outrageous anymore, 2132 01:34:25,964 --> 01:34:28,488 so he wanted to do children's birthday parties. 2133 01:34:28,532 --> 01:34:32,536 So, of course, he steals my face, and uses it as a mask 2134 01:34:32,579 --> 01:34:34,146 to play children's birthday parties. 2135 01:34:48,291 --> 01:34:55,211 ♪♪ 2136 01:34:55,254 --> 01:34:57,866 [Cheering] 2137 01:34:59,911 --> 01:35:01,304 [Applause] 2138 01:35:04,176 --> 01:35:07,614 -Let's have a round of applause for all the bands so far. 2139 01:35:07,658 --> 01:35:14,621 ♪♪ 2140 01:35:14,665 --> 01:35:21,585 ♪♪ 2141 01:35:21,628 --> 01:35:28,723 ♪♪ 2142 01:35:34,816 --> 01:35:37,383 -Yeah, I got a call in the middle of the night. 2143 01:35:37,427 --> 01:35:38,994 And he's sobbing. 2144 01:35:39,037 --> 01:35:40,909 And he -- And he just says its 2145 01:35:40,952 --> 01:35:42,737 He's like, "Dave's dead." 2146 01:35:45,783 --> 01:35:47,480 -He had a sheet hanging, 2147 01:35:47,524 --> 01:35:49,961 separating his living room from the kitchen, 2148 01:35:50,005 --> 01:35:53,835 I could see through the sheet, but I didn't go in. 2149 01:35:57,142 --> 01:36:00,798 Yeah, I didn't wanna see him. 2150 01:36:00,842 --> 01:36:03,975 -Dave passed, and he's in his chair. 2151 01:36:04,019 --> 01:36:05,977 And I didn't go in the other room to look at Dave either, 2152 01:36:06,021 --> 01:36:09,546 man, 'cause that's not the way I remember those guys. 2153 01:36:09,589 --> 01:36:15,117 I remember those guys as fierce players and great friends. 2154 01:36:18,250 --> 01:36:20,644 -We learned this with Cory, like, the thing you got to do 2155 01:36:20,687 --> 01:36:23,038 is you've gotta tell the important people 2156 01:36:23,081 --> 01:36:26,737 before they find out, before it hits the news. 2157 01:36:26,781 --> 01:36:29,609 So, I was like, "I got to call a bunch of my old friends, 2158 01:36:29,653 --> 01:36:30,828 and give them bad news. 2159 01:36:30,872 --> 01:36:34,005 But I'd rather them hear it from me." 2160 01:36:34,049 --> 01:36:35,702 -Brad called me. 2161 01:36:35,746 --> 01:36:37,574 And the minute I saw his phone number on my phone, 2162 01:36:37,617 --> 01:36:42,013 I knew it was real, and I broke down pretty hard. 2163 01:36:42,057 --> 01:36:43,798 I still can't talk about it. 2164 01:36:43,841 --> 01:36:48,367 I break down every time I even start thinking about it. 2165 01:36:48,411 --> 01:36:50,021 -Derks called me. 2166 01:36:50,065 --> 01:36:53,372 and I'm glad it was Derks that called me. 2167 01:36:53,416 --> 01:36:54,634 I don't know why. 2168 01:36:54,678 --> 01:36:57,812 But it was... 2169 01:36:57,855 --> 01:37:01,206 Man, you know, try to wrap your head around that. 2170 01:37:01,250 --> 01:37:05,515 Dave fucking Brockie? The guy's a fucking bull. 2171 01:37:05,558 --> 01:37:06,995 -I couldn't process it. 2172 01:37:07,038 --> 01:37:09,780 I still have his fucking phone number, 2173 01:37:09,824 --> 01:37:12,087 and I go back through our texts all the time -- 2174 01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:13,958 just random shit. 2175 01:37:14,002 --> 01:37:19,007 He would text me constantly -- "Love you, buddy. Miss ya." 2176 01:37:19,050 --> 01:37:21,357 -I got a call while I was working that day. 2177 01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,793 And... 2178 01:37:24,795 --> 01:37:27,711 It sucked. I mean, I cried out. 2179 01:37:27,754 --> 01:37:29,844 I remember that. 2180 01:37:29,887 --> 01:37:32,107 And just was crushing me 2181 01:37:32,150 --> 01:37:35,850 to think about them losing everything -- 2182 01:37:35,893 --> 01:37:37,329 like, losing Dave, and, at the same time, 2183 01:37:37,373 --> 01:37:38,940 losing their... 2184 01:37:38,983 --> 01:37:41,116 everything they'd worked for, you know? 2185 01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:45,424 Like, staring that in the face. 2186 01:37:45,468 --> 01:37:48,427 -I assumed that it was over, you know? 2187 01:37:48,471 --> 01:37:49,907 And I was fine with that, 2188 01:37:49,951 --> 01:37:52,040 because losing someone like Dave Brockie 2189 01:37:52,083 --> 01:37:55,130 is a lot more important to me than losing a job. 2190 01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:56,958 I was like, "I can go get another job. 2191 01:37:57,001 --> 01:38:02,267 There's no more Dave Brockie. You can't replace that." 2192 01:38:02,311 --> 01:38:05,357 -He was the most energetic, enthusiastic, 2193 01:38:05,401 --> 01:38:09,057 prolific frontman any band could ever have asked for. 2194 01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:11,320 And we were damn lucky to have him. 2195 01:38:13,278 --> 01:38:14,845 -We all freak out on this planet. 2196 01:38:14,889 --> 01:38:16,238 We all get confused. 2197 01:38:16,281 --> 01:38:18,675 We all do the lower things sometimes. 2198 01:38:18,718 --> 01:38:21,286 But when you really lose someone, 2199 01:38:21,330 --> 01:38:25,812 all that noise of confusion between you goes away, 2200 01:38:25,856 --> 01:38:28,859 and you realize the only thing that really matters is love. 2201 01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:33,385 So, that's what I remembered. 2202 01:38:37,737 --> 01:38:39,043 Totally. 2203 01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:44,701 -And I called Hunter. 2204 01:38:44,744 --> 01:38:47,573 And, you know, I had a number that, 2205 01:38:47,617 --> 01:38:49,184 I wasn't sure if it was his or not. 2206 01:38:49,227 --> 01:38:52,056 And he told me never to call it, you know, but I was like, 2207 01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:54,406 "Well, you know, Dave Brockie just died, 2208 01:38:54,450 --> 01:38:56,278 so I'm calling this number." 2209 01:38:56,321 --> 01:39:01,022 -Bob Gorman called me, and told me that he had died, 2210 01:39:01,065 --> 01:39:02,893 and all like that. 2211 01:39:02,937 --> 01:39:06,723 But I didn't wanna go to his funeral because... 2212 01:39:06,766 --> 01:39:10,945 you know, I hated the guy, and I didn't want to -- 2213 01:39:10,988 --> 01:39:13,860 who knows what I might say, you know? 2214 01:39:13,904 --> 01:39:17,690 I was like, "Man, you know, like... 2215 01:39:17,734 --> 01:39:20,215 I know you hate us all, and everything," 2216 01:39:20,258 --> 01:39:22,260 but I was like, "This guy was a big part of your life, 2217 01:39:22,304 --> 01:39:26,177 and part of something that you guys gave the world." 2218 01:39:26,221 --> 01:39:28,353 -I said everything I wanted say to him. 2219 01:39:28,397 --> 01:39:31,008 He knows how I felt about him. 2220 01:39:31,052 --> 01:39:35,839 I just feel like his story came to its logical conclusion. 2221 01:39:35,882 --> 01:39:39,060 It's too bad, but...yeah. 2222 01:39:42,063 --> 01:39:43,716 That's how it is. 2223 01:39:47,894 --> 01:39:49,331 -When I was a kid, I used to think 2224 01:39:49,374 --> 01:39:50,897 the worst thing that could possibly happen 2225 01:39:50,941 --> 01:39:52,421 is if, like, I would be at the end of my life, 2226 01:39:52,464 --> 01:39:54,510 and look back,. and I'd go, "You just fucked up. 2227 01:39:54,553 --> 01:39:59,906 You didn't do anything. You just...blew it." 2228 01:39:59,950 --> 01:40:01,647 And I don't feel that way. 2229 01:40:01,691 --> 01:40:04,737 It's like, when I met these guys that we created GWAR together, 2230 01:40:04,781 --> 01:40:06,739 it really gave my life meaning, 2231 01:40:06,783 --> 01:40:08,437 I mean, if you're an artist or a musician, 2232 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:10,526 it's very fucking difficult... 2233 01:40:10,569 --> 01:40:11,918 -Yes, it is. -...to make a living. 2234 01:40:11,962 --> 01:40:14,573 So, somehow, we've been able to do it. 2235 01:40:14,617 --> 01:40:18,577 And there's not a second that I'm not just absolutely, 2236 01:40:18,621 --> 01:40:20,536 count my lucky stars, my blessings, 2237 01:40:20,579 --> 01:40:23,930 and all the fans that have supported us for so many years. 2238 01:40:23,974 --> 01:40:26,063 That is the greatest thing, as an artist, that you can get. 2239 01:40:26,107 --> 01:40:36,073 ♪♪ 2240 01:40:38,032 --> 01:40:45,822 [Bagpipes play] 2241 01:40:45,865 --> 01:40:47,998 [Crowd chanting "Oderus!] 2242 01:40:51,871 --> 01:40:53,612 -When I get to three, 2243 01:40:53,656 --> 01:40:57,268 I just want you to scream at the top of your lungs, 2244 01:40:57,312 --> 01:41:01,055 so that Dave can hear you, alright? 2245 01:41:01,098 --> 01:41:04,797 And you'll be amazed at how good this feels. 2246 01:41:04,841 --> 01:41:07,452 And it's something that he did all the fucking time. 2247 01:41:07,496 --> 01:41:09,628 [Laughter] 2248 01:41:09,672 --> 01:41:14,764 One...two...three. 2249 01:41:14,807 --> 01:41:19,943 [All screaming] 2250 01:41:19,986 --> 01:41:29,866 ♪♪ 2251 01:41:39,049 --> 01:41:42,618 -When we lost Dave, we pretty much assumed that 2252 01:41:42,661 --> 01:41:45,316 that would be it for GWAR. 2253 01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:51,279 But, you know, it's just such a huge thing 2254 01:41:51,322 --> 01:41:53,281 that we had all been working on, 2255 01:41:53,324 --> 01:41:55,152 and dedicating our lives to. 2256 01:41:55,196 --> 01:41:57,285 And... 2257 01:41:57,328 --> 01:41:59,417 there's so much more to this band 2258 01:41:59,461 --> 01:42:01,767 than any one person could put into it, 2259 01:42:01,811 --> 01:42:06,163 even though he did put more in than anyone. 2260 01:42:06,207 --> 01:42:09,645 ♪♪ 2261 01:42:09,688 --> 01:42:11,081 -You have so many people that have been 2262 01:42:11,125 --> 01:42:13,649 in and out of this band since day one. 2263 01:42:13,692 --> 01:42:16,173 I mean, hundreds, at least 100 people 2264 01:42:16,217 --> 01:42:18,175 probably, have been, one way or another, 2265 01:42:18,219 --> 01:42:21,309 considered to be an active member of GWAR. 2266 01:42:21,352 --> 01:42:24,529 And when you lose somebody in a band 2267 01:42:24,573 --> 01:42:28,446 that's such a big group of people, you can't just say, 2268 01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:30,405 "Well, that's it," and it's over. 2269 01:42:30,448 --> 01:42:34,060 -You know, I fell in love with GWAR when I was a fan, 2270 01:42:34,104 --> 01:42:36,889 and then, to be part of it, it's just been amazing. 2271 01:42:36,933 --> 01:42:39,588 You know, it's hard to let that die on the vine, 2272 01:42:39,631 --> 01:42:41,720 because you're just like, "This thing is so cool." 2273 01:42:41,764 --> 01:42:46,725 And you want that magic that you saw as a fan to perpetuate. 2274 01:42:46,769 --> 01:42:50,033 You want to share that with other people. 2275 01:42:50,076 --> 01:42:51,426 -After Dave passed, I'm like, 2276 01:42:51,469 --> 01:42:53,471 "What the hell are we gonna do?" 2277 01:42:53,515 --> 01:42:58,215 We know that Dave would have wanted us, and GWAR, to go on. 2278 01:42:58,259 --> 01:43:01,697 You know, he'd even talked about it in interviews. 2279 01:43:01,740 --> 01:43:06,484 And the only person -- the only person that, you know, 2280 01:43:06,528 --> 01:43:10,271 most of us thought could even have a chance of doing it, 2281 01:43:10,314 --> 01:43:14,318 let alone us was getting excited about, was Mike Bishop. 2282 01:43:14,362 --> 01:43:16,842 In the early years, he was part of the spirit. 2283 01:43:16,886 --> 01:43:18,583 He was like the heart of the band. 2284 01:43:18,627 --> 01:43:21,325 And to bring him back, you know, 2285 01:43:21,369 --> 01:43:23,371 was the only thing that made sense. 2286 01:43:23,414 --> 01:43:25,503 We thought, "Well, that's gonna be the thing 2287 01:43:25,547 --> 01:43:27,244 that could actually work." 2288 01:43:27,288 --> 01:43:28,724 Not only that, but I remember him 2289 01:43:28,767 --> 01:43:31,205 saying to me that he came back... 2290 01:43:31,248 --> 01:43:36,601 He's like -- He's like, "I can help heal you guys 2291 01:43:36,645 --> 01:43:38,603 as well as be the singer." 2292 01:43:40,649 --> 01:43:43,782 -I mean, they were hurting, without doubt. 2293 01:43:43,826 --> 01:43:48,700 And...I tried hard to... 2294 01:43:48,744 --> 01:43:52,313 to do what I could to make that pain less for them. 2295 01:43:52,356 --> 01:43:53,531 I did. 2296 01:43:53,575 --> 01:43:55,272 And singing was part of it. 2297 01:43:55,316 --> 01:43:57,927 Like, making it so that they could keep going. 2298 01:43:57,970 --> 01:44:01,278 felt like service to them, and to today. 2299 01:44:01,322 --> 01:44:05,500 You know, so, I mean, it wasn't hard for me to figure out. 2300 01:44:05,543 --> 01:44:07,632 ♪♪ 2301 01:44:07,676 --> 01:44:11,027 -♪ The world has never looked so dark ♪ 2302 01:44:11,070 --> 01:44:15,336 ♪ The pain never felt so bad ♪ 2303 01:44:15,379 --> 01:44:18,948 ♪ Is it wrong to try to go on? ♪ 2304 01:44:18,991 --> 01:44:23,300 ♪ To try to [indistinct]? 2305 01:44:23,344 --> 01:44:26,912 ♪ Will you let us scream again? ♪ 2306 01:44:26,956 --> 01:44:30,438 ♪ [Indistinct] 2307 01:44:30,481 --> 01:44:37,096 ♪ I can feel you like a phantom limb ♪ 2308 01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:38,620 -We still get a lot of, you know, 2309 01:44:38,663 --> 01:44:40,230 "without Brockie, there is no GWAR," 2310 01:44:40,274 --> 01:44:41,449 and blah blah blah. 2311 01:44:41,492 --> 01:44:42,972 And Derks said it best -- 2312 01:44:43,015 --> 01:44:44,539 like, "Yeah, ever since your grandma died, 2313 01:44:44,582 --> 01:44:46,323 your family sucks." 2314 01:44:46,367 --> 01:44:47,933 You know? 2315 01:44:47,977 --> 01:44:50,327 It's just such a shitty thing to say to guys 2316 01:44:50,371 --> 01:44:52,808 who knew Dave better than anyone, 2317 01:44:52,851 --> 01:44:54,505 and loved him more than anybody else. 2318 01:44:54,549 --> 01:45:00,119 It's his legacy. He devoted his entire life GWAR. 2319 01:45:00,163 --> 01:45:01,860 -It's just the way I knew those guys would want it. 2320 01:45:01,904 --> 01:45:03,427 Like, they wouldn't want us to stop 2321 01:45:03,471 --> 01:45:05,342 because they weren't here. 2322 01:45:05,386 --> 01:45:06,865 GWAR has never stopped. 2323 01:45:06,909 --> 01:45:09,172 We've had a million people in the band come and go, 2324 01:45:09,215 --> 01:45:10,869 an GWAR always goes on. 2325 01:45:13,655 --> 01:45:16,048 We're on the Warped Tour in 2017, 2326 01:45:16,092 --> 01:45:18,355 and, like, Derks was resting a lot, 2327 01:45:18,399 --> 01:45:19,878 and he was tired. 2328 01:45:19,922 --> 01:45:21,663 And one day he was, like, school-bus yellow. 2329 01:45:21,706 --> 01:45:23,621 -I kind of collapsed on stage. 2330 01:45:23,665 --> 01:45:25,667 And sent me to the emergency room. 2331 01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:28,147 And the band had to go on without me. 2332 01:45:28,191 --> 01:45:30,715 And it took months. 2333 01:45:30,759 --> 01:45:34,371 Finally, I was diagnosed with myelofibrosis. 2334 01:45:34,415 --> 01:45:36,939 -I told Mike once, a long time ago, 2335 01:45:36,982 --> 01:45:40,159 and especially when he was sick, I was like, 2336 01:45:40,203 --> 01:45:41,900 "Look, I don't know what you're gonna do, 2337 01:45:41,944 --> 01:45:43,772 if you're gonna stay, or whatever, 2338 01:45:43,815 --> 01:45:46,078 but whatever you do, take me with you. 2339 01:45:48,603 --> 01:45:50,300 -Having to sit at home in the summer 2340 01:45:50,344 --> 01:45:51,736 when they were out on Warped Tour 2341 01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:53,259 was probably the hardest thing in my life, 2342 01:45:53,303 --> 01:45:56,524 to know that this band that I helped to create, 2343 01:45:56,567 --> 01:46:01,616 and bring this far, was out there playing... 2344 01:46:09,841 --> 01:46:11,756 ...and to not be part of it. 2345 01:46:15,107 --> 01:46:17,501 -I've known him for a really long time. 2346 01:46:17,545 --> 01:46:20,330 He's not the most outspoken guy. 2347 01:46:20,374 --> 01:46:23,812 He's pretty intelligent, really sensitive human being. 2348 01:46:23,855 --> 01:46:26,771 And it's -- And I love him. 2349 01:46:26,815 --> 01:46:29,948 And I'm so glad that he made it through that shit. 2350 01:46:29,992 --> 01:46:33,212 I really am. 2351 01:46:33,256 --> 01:46:35,737 And I like playing music with him. 2352 01:46:35,780 --> 01:46:37,826 And I'm glad I still get to do it. 2353 01:46:37,869 --> 01:46:39,741 It's just the best. 2354 01:46:39,784 --> 01:46:42,265 -The transfusion was a total success, 2355 01:46:42,308 --> 01:46:46,748 and I'm getting ready to go out again this fall. 2356 01:46:46,791 --> 01:46:49,315 The cancer's in 100% remission. 2357 01:46:52,536 --> 01:46:55,583 And I'm feeling great. 2358 01:46:55,626 --> 01:46:58,760 I know GWAR is kind of stronger for it, in a way. 2359 01:46:58,803 --> 01:47:02,894 They -- Like, we just pull it together. 2360 01:47:02,938 --> 01:47:05,157 The world needs a GWAR, you know? 2361 01:47:05,201 --> 01:47:06,463 It needs GWAR. 2362 01:47:06,507 --> 01:47:08,683 It needs it to smack it around, 2363 01:47:08,726 --> 01:47:11,468 and tell it what to do and tell it why it looks like shit, 2364 01:47:11,512 --> 01:47:14,340 and tell it why it sucks, you know? 2365 01:47:14,384 --> 01:47:17,169 And hopefully, there would be some beauty in that. 2366 01:47:17,213 --> 01:47:20,259 -♪ Fuck this place 2367 01:47:20,303 --> 01:47:23,698 ♪ Fuck this place 2368 01:47:23,741 --> 01:47:26,744 ♪ Fuck this place 2369 01:47:26,788 --> 01:47:28,485 ♪ Fuck this place 2370 01:47:28,529 --> 01:47:31,009 [ Feedback whines ] 2371 01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:32,663 ♪♪ 2372 01:47:32,707 --> 01:47:35,100 ♪ Sexecutioner 2373 01:47:35,144 --> 01:47:37,015 ♪♪ 2374 01:47:37,059 --> 01:47:39,801 ♪ Yeah 2375 01:47:39,844 --> 01:47:42,194 ♪ One, two, three 2376 01:47:42,238 --> 01:47:43,848 ♪ Whoo 2377 01:47:43,892 --> 01:47:46,460 ♪♪ 2378 01:47:46,503 --> 01:47:48,374 ♪ Slymenstra Hymen 2379 01:47:48,418 --> 01:47:52,074 ♪♪ 2380 01:47:52,117 --> 01:47:54,555 -Hello, little boys! [ Giggles ] 2381 01:47:54,598 --> 01:47:56,078 ♪♪ 2382 01:47:56,121 --> 01:47:57,862 ♪ Sleazy P 2383 01:47:57,906 --> 01:48:00,125 ♪♪ 2384 01:48:00,169 --> 01:48:01,387 -We're a team. 2385 01:48:01,431 --> 01:48:03,172 ♪♪ 2386 01:48:03,215 --> 01:48:04,782 -♪ GWAR Woman 2387 01:48:04,826 --> 01:48:13,617 ♪♪ 2388 01:48:13,661 --> 01:48:22,539 ♪♪ 2389 01:48:22,583 --> 01:48:23,845 -Once you've been in that band, 2390 01:48:23,888 --> 01:48:25,934 you're always in that band. 2391 01:48:25,977 --> 01:48:28,937 I talk about GWAR, even though my career, 2392 01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:31,548 I am in a band called Rise Against. 2393 01:48:31,592 --> 01:48:33,942 But I'm forever in GWAR. 2394 01:48:33,985 --> 01:48:36,118 That's my family, you know, still. 2395 01:48:36,161 --> 01:48:45,562 ♪♪ 2396 01:48:45,606 --> 01:48:55,093 ♪♪ 2397 01:48:55,137 --> 01:48:57,095 -It's amazing. Like, I've gotten to hang out 2398 01:48:57,139 --> 01:48:58,967 with one of my best friends that I haven't been able 2399 01:48:59,010 --> 01:49:01,926 to hang out with in a really long time. 2400 01:49:01,970 --> 01:49:05,060 It's like we picked right back up where we left off. 2401 01:49:05,103 --> 01:49:07,715 And even though we've had our differences 2402 01:49:07,758 --> 01:49:10,152 and there's been some static between us, 2403 01:49:10,195 --> 01:49:12,415 overall, man, he's my friend, you know? 2404 01:49:12,458 --> 01:49:15,157 [ Laughs ] And it's nice to have my friend back. 2405 01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,462 [ Laughs ] You know? 2406 01:49:16,506 --> 01:49:18,639 So...yeah. 2407 01:49:18,682 --> 01:49:25,471 ♪♪ 2408 01:49:25,515 --> 01:49:29,084 -Chaos has been what's made this band move forward 2409 01:49:29,127 --> 01:49:30,868 for 30-some years. 2410 01:49:30,912 --> 01:49:32,653 And it's crazy when you think about it. 2411 01:49:32,696 --> 01:49:34,611 There's nothing else like this. 2412 01:49:34,655 --> 01:49:37,266 ♪♪ 2413 01:49:37,309 --> 01:49:39,573 -We're doing more things than ever -- 2414 01:49:39,616 --> 01:49:42,619 the festival, a lot of different endorsements. 2415 01:49:42,663 --> 01:49:44,795 Matt's got the comics going on. 2416 01:49:44,839 --> 01:49:47,929 I just put together GWAR's first museum show. 2417 01:49:47,972 --> 01:49:49,408 The GWAR Bar. 2418 01:49:49,452 --> 01:49:52,020 -Yeah, when Dave died, we were months away 2419 01:49:52,063 --> 01:49:53,630 from getting the bar open, 2420 01:49:53,674 --> 01:49:56,241 and now it's kind of like a little GWAR museum 2421 01:49:56,285 --> 01:49:57,982 that you can get drunk in. 2422 01:49:58,026 --> 01:50:00,985 -You don't do GWAR because you want to get rich. 2423 01:50:01,029 --> 01:50:02,944 You don't do GWAR 'cause you want to get famous. 2424 01:50:02,987 --> 01:50:06,338 You do GWAR because you fucking love it. 2425 01:50:06,382 --> 01:50:08,297 I didn't get rich off this. 2426 01:50:08,340 --> 01:50:10,342 I've put a lot of my life into it, 2427 01:50:10,386 --> 01:50:14,346 and I wouldn't trade it for anything at this point. 2428 01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:17,523 -I can't believe it's been the defining thing in my life 2429 01:50:17,567 --> 01:50:19,308 and I'm still doing it 30 years later, 2430 01:50:19,351 --> 01:50:21,745 but it's made meaning out of my life, 2431 01:50:21,789 --> 01:50:24,226 and I've enjoyed every bit of it, even the horrible shit. 2432 01:50:24,269 --> 01:50:26,750 So, like, I'm proud of everybody I work with 2433 01:50:26,794 --> 01:50:29,144 and everything that we've done, even the crappy stuff. 2434 01:50:29,187 --> 01:50:32,538 So, like, try and find another GWAR. There's not one. 2435 01:50:32,582 --> 01:50:35,019 So that's something to be said for that. 2436 01:50:35,063 --> 01:50:41,504 ♪♪ 2437 01:50:41,547 --> 01:50:45,551 -♪ Motherfucker 2438 01:50:45,595 --> 01:50:47,858 ♪♪ 2439 01:50:47,902 --> 01:50:51,688 -Yeah, man, I've had just 12 concussions in this band, 2440 01:50:51,732 --> 01:50:54,169 and the doctor was like -- The last one, 2441 01:50:54,212 --> 01:50:57,302 he was just like, "What line of work are you in again? 2442 01:50:57,346 --> 01:50:59,130 [ Laughs ] 2443 01:50:59,174 --> 01:51:02,264 He's like, "You should probably find some other line of work." 2444 01:51:03,831 --> 01:51:11,055 ♪♪ 2445 01:51:11,099 --> 01:51:18,323 ♪♪ 2446 01:51:18,367 --> 01:51:20,108 -♪ Your socks they smell, your feet they stink ♪ 2447 01:51:20,151 --> 01:51:21,892 ♪ You never take a bath 2448 01:51:21,936 --> 01:51:23,764 ♪ Your nose it runs, you bust your buns ♪ 2449 01:51:23,807 --> 01:51:25,635 ♪ You always finish last 2450 01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,768 ♪ Sick of -♪ Sick of 2451 01:51:27,811 --> 01:51:29,291 -♪ You 2452 01:51:29,334 --> 01:51:32,773 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2453 01:51:32,816 --> 01:51:34,818 ♪ Sick of -♪ Sick of 2454 01:51:34,862 --> 01:51:36,646 -♪ You 2455 01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:40,476 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2456 01:51:40,519 --> 01:51:43,827 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 2457 01:51:43,871 --> 01:51:47,962 ♪♪ 2458 01:51:48,005 --> 01:51:54,664 ♪♪ 2459 01:51:54,708 --> 01:51:58,189 ♪ Sick of you 2460 01:51:58,233 --> 01:52:01,323 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2461 01:52:01,366 --> 01:52:05,544 ♪ I'm sick of you 2462 01:52:05,588 --> 01:52:08,417 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2463 01:52:08,460 --> 01:52:12,551 ♪ I'm sick of you, I'm sick of you ♪ 2464 01:52:12,595 --> 01:52:15,816 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2465 01:52:15,859 --> 01:52:19,863 ♪ I'm sick of you, I'm sick of you ♪ 2466 01:52:19,907 --> 01:52:23,127 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2467 01:52:23,171 --> 01:52:27,218 ♪ I'm sick of you 2468 01:52:27,262 --> 01:52:30,308 ♪ I'm so sick, so sick of you 2469 01:52:30,352 --> 01:52:34,356 ♪ I'm sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick ♪ 2470 01:52:34,399 --> 01:52:36,053 ♪ I'm so sick 2471 01:52:36,097 --> 01:52:38,229 ♪ So motherfuckin' titty-suckin' ♪ 2472 01:52:38,273 --> 01:52:44,714 ♪ God damn, don't you know it, I am fuckin' sick of you ♪ 2473 01:52:44,758 --> 01:52:52,504 ♪♪