1 00:00:03,375 --> 00:00:07,833 (SIREN BLARING) 2 00:00:07,917 --> 00:00:10,042 (WOMAN SPEAKING) 3 00:00:17,542 --> 00:00:19,125 (MAN SPEAKING) 4 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,083 (GUNSHOT) 5 00:00:35,333 --> 00:00:37,792 I know what he's capable of. I know what he can do. 6 00:00:37,875 --> 00:00:39,250 I know what type of person he is. 7 00:00:50,208 --> 00:00:52,125 Clintuan is facing very serious charges. 8 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:53,917 I don't know how it got here, 9 00:00:54,042 --> 00:00:56,542 but all I can do is try to stop it. 10 00:01:01,625 --> 00:01:04,000 CLINTUAN DOCHER: I feel like in that situation, 11 00:01:04,083 --> 00:01:05,625 I had to do what I had to. 12 00:01:05,708 --> 00:01:08,208 I had to protect myself. I had to protect my family. 13 00:01:22,083 --> 00:01:23,458 MEADOWS: My name is Amanda Meadows. 14 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:26,750 I'm a defense attorney in Columbus, Mississippi. 15 00:01:26,833 --> 00:01:28,500 I represent Clintuan Docher. 16 00:01:28,542 --> 00:01:31,167 Uh, Clintuan is a 22-year-old young man 17 00:01:31,250 --> 00:01:33,000 charged with aggravated assault, 18 00:01:33,083 --> 00:01:34,917 and in Mississippi, aggravated assault, 19 00:01:35,042 --> 00:01:37,917 uh, is one of the more serious crimes, 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,500 and it carries up to 20 years, mandatory, 21 00:01:40,583 --> 00:01:43,208 in the Mississippi State Penitentiary system. 22 00:01:45,750 --> 00:01:49,667 My client claims that on May 15th of 2020, 23 00:01:49,708 --> 00:01:51,667 around 11:00 at night, 24 00:01:51,708 --> 00:01:53,083 there was an altercation 25 00:01:53,167 --> 00:01:55,667 at a local drive-thru restaurant. 26 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:58,292 Clintuan and his girlfriend were driving around 27 00:01:58,375 --> 00:01:59,667 trying to get their baby to sleep. 28 00:02:01,167 --> 00:02:02,458 They had just gone into the drive-thru 29 00:02:02,542 --> 00:02:04,083 hoping to get a milkshake while they were out, 30 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:05,208 before they headed home. 31 00:02:06,833 --> 00:02:08,167 As they were in line, 32 00:02:08,250 --> 00:02:10,417 Clintuan noticed a car pull behind him. 33 00:02:12,167 --> 00:02:14,708 It was a former friend of his. 34 00:02:14,792 --> 00:02:17,917 Clintuan alleges that the man in the vehicle behind him 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,208 had a history of bullying him 36 00:02:20,292 --> 00:02:21,833 and being aggressive towards him. 37 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:26,125 Even beyond bullying, actually shooting at him 38 00:02:26,208 --> 00:02:27,583 and beating him up a couple of times. 39 00:02:30,167 --> 00:02:31,833 He knows that this individual 40 00:02:31,875 --> 00:02:33,500 is coming after him. 41 00:02:34,875 --> 00:02:36,708 Clintuan claims 42 00:02:36,792 --> 00:02:38,875 he immediately felt nervous, 43 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,667 scared, not only for his own safety, 44 00:02:41,667 --> 00:02:44,458 but for the safety of his girlfriend and the infant that was in the back seat. 45 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:49,167 This guy gets out of his vehicle, 46 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:51,417 starts screaming and shouting at Clintuan. 47 00:02:53,417 --> 00:02:55,417 Clintuan felt extremely threatened, 48 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:58,250 extremely scared 'cause of what's happened in the past. 49 00:03:00,375 --> 00:03:02,875 Clintuan had an actual gun on his person, 50 00:03:02,958 --> 00:03:06,208 in part because of prior threats from this very individual. 51 00:03:06,875 --> 00:03:08,042 He was authorized. 52 00:03:08,125 --> 00:03:09,250 It was legal for him to carry it. 53 00:03:10,833 --> 00:03:13,667 The former friend approaches the vehicle. 54 00:03:14,708 --> 00:03:18,000 At that point, Clintuan lowers his window 55 00:03:18,042 --> 00:03:19,417 and shoots two rounds. 56 00:03:22,167 --> 00:03:23,375 And those were warning shots, 57 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:27,375 'cause his position was, he felt he had no options. 58 00:03:27,458 --> 00:03:29,250 He's scared. He's trapped. 59 00:03:30,917 --> 00:03:34,208 It was only when the shots were being fired by Clintuan 60 00:03:34,292 --> 00:03:36,625 that the other vehicles around started to move, 61 00:03:36,708 --> 00:03:39,292 and at that time, Clintuan was able to drive off 62 00:03:39,375 --> 00:03:40,458 and leave the scene. 63 00:03:42,708 --> 00:03:45,042 The aggravated assault charge comes from, 64 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:47,708 when Clintuan fired the warning shots, 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,875 unfortunately, one of the shots, 66 00:03:50,958 --> 00:03:52,792 as alleged by the State, 67 00:03:52,875 --> 00:03:55,000 entered into the panel 68 00:03:55,042 --> 00:03:57,375 of another vehicle that was in line. 69 00:03:59,750 --> 00:04:04,042 The allegation is that that bullet came in through the door panel, 70 00:04:04,167 --> 00:04:08,167 allegedly grazed this individual's leg 71 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:09,667 and caused some damage. 72 00:04:21,208 --> 00:04:23,250 The alleged aggressor 73 00:04:23,333 --> 00:04:25,833 told police he was involved in this altercation, 74 00:04:25,875 --> 00:04:29,375 but he had no idea who the other person was. 75 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,458 He denied knowing anything. 76 00:04:33,292 --> 00:04:36,000 The alleged victim in this case said, 77 00:04:36,083 --> 00:04:37,833 "I saw these guys arguing." 78 00:04:37,917 --> 00:04:41,333 He indicated that he did not want medical attention. 79 00:04:41,417 --> 00:04:43,500 He indicated that he did not want 80 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:46,292 to be involved, in essence. 81 00:04:53,708 --> 00:04:55,917 The State's theory of the case is that 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,625 Clintuan Docher was not acting in self-defense, 83 00:04:58,708 --> 00:05:01,833 that he had no right to be shooting this gun, 84 00:05:01,875 --> 00:05:05,000 and that the bullet that actually entered the second vehicle 85 00:05:05,083 --> 00:05:09,750 was a result of a reckless or a dangerous, willful action. 86 00:05:12,250 --> 00:05:14,083 The other part of the State's theory is that 87 00:05:14,167 --> 00:05:15,708 there wasn't a reasonable fear 88 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:18,750 for Clintuan to impose self-defense. 89 00:05:18,875 --> 00:05:22,375 But we feel that Tuan did have a right to self-defense, 90 00:05:22,458 --> 00:05:24,667 that he was in imminent fear 91 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:28,000 because he had a history with this person, his former friend. 92 00:05:28,042 --> 00:05:30,000 And under Mississippi law, 93 00:05:30,083 --> 00:05:33,667 he had a right to defend himself and his family in his vehicle. 94 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:38,500 If you are in the course of protecting yourself 95 00:05:38,583 --> 00:05:40,458 and someone else is injured, 96 00:05:40,542 --> 00:05:42,833 it doesn't sever the self-defense claim. 97 00:05:44,708 --> 00:05:46,167 The system failed Clintuan. 98 00:05:46,208 --> 00:05:47,458 He shouldn't be involved in this. 99 00:05:47,542 --> 00:05:48,958 He shouldn't be charged with this 100 00:05:49,042 --> 00:05:52,083 because he does have a valid self-defense claim. 101 00:05:52,167 --> 00:05:54,500 Clintuan says, "I know I didn't do anything wrong," 102 00:05:54,583 --> 00:05:56,542 and we stand behind that. 103 00:06:04,417 --> 00:06:05,500 DYANA: Good job, Karmen. 104 00:06:05,542 --> 00:06:06,667 DOCHER: Karmen, it's Kasen's turn. 105 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:08,375 DYANA: Let Kasen jump, Doody. 106 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:27,958 (CHILD BABBLING) 107 00:06:28,042 --> 00:06:30,250 DOCHER: I grown up a lot since becoming a dad. 108 00:06:30,375 --> 00:06:33,708 It's fun, but it's tough at the same time. 109 00:06:33,792 --> 00:06:35,833 Probably the best thing that happened to me, honestly. 110 00:06:38,625 --> 00:06:40,750 You learn from each one of 'em. 111 00:06:40,875 --> 00:06:43,500 With the first child, I had trouble fixing the bottle, 112 00:06:43,583 --> 00:06:46,167 but now I'm like an expert at fixing bottles 113 00:06:46,292 --> 00:06:47,583 or changing Pampers, you know? 114 00:06:48,042 --> 00:06:49,083 So... 115 00:06:49,167 --> 00:06:50,708 DYANA: You wanna go higher? 116 00:06:52,208 --> 00:06:53,833 DOCHER: All my goals, 117 00:06:53,917 --> 00:06:56,167 everything that I set to accomplish, it's for them. 118 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:57,917 It's not for me, it's for them. 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,500 I just want them to have the best life. 120 00:06:59,542 --> 00:07:00,625 You know, the best future. 121 00:07:02,583 --> 00:07:05,833 It's vital for me to be around for them to have that. 122 00:07:05,917 --> 00:07:12,542 Five seconds. One. Two. Three. Four. 123 00:07:12,625 --> 00:07:15,917 Five. (LAUGHS) Good job, Doody! 124 00:07:17,792 --> 00:07:20,667 This situation just got me feeling scared. 125 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:24,500 You know, I'm scared for Tuan 126 00:07:24,625 --> 00:07:25,917 and I, you know, just don't... 127 00:07:28,458 --> 00:07:30,500 I don't wanna be left alone with the kids. 128 00:07:31,750 --> 00:07:34,333 DOCHER: Might be the back. Yeah, it's the back. 129 00:07:34,458 --> 00:07:36,250 DYANA: I really don't want that to happen, 130 00:07:36,333 --> 00:07:37,333 because he don't deserve it. 131 00:07:37,417 --> 00:07:39,125 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 132 00:07:39,208 --> 00:07:40,167 'Cause he's a good guy, 133 00:07:41,375 --> 00:07:43,333 a very nice guy, 134 00:07:43,458 --> 00:07:45,167 and he don't mean harm to anybody. 135 00:07:48,125 --> 00:07:50,167 BILLIE: Family is everything. It's everything. 136 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:51,792 I love my family, I really do. 137 00:07:51,875 --> 00:07:54,667 And to see my son go through something like this, 138 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:56,708 it hurts me. It really does. 139 00:08:01,542 --> 00:08:03,042 I don't think I could handle it 140 00:08:03,125 --> 00:08:05,167 if Tuan was to go to jail. 141 00:08:05,292 --> 00:08:07,958 For him to be doing 20 years? 142 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:10,917 I'm just gonna be honest, 143 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,500 I don't think my son will make it out of there. 144 00:08:13,458 --> 00:08:14,542 I really don't. 145 00:08:15,875 --> 00:08:16,917 I really don't. 146 00:08:31,167 --> 00:08:34,958 A lot of what we've been working on in Clintuan's case 147 00:08:35,042 --> 00:08:38,667 is the reasonableness of the shots that he fired 148 00:08:38,708 --> 00:08:40,708 and how those fit into a self-defense claim. 149 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:43,458 We want to understand 150 00:08:43,542 --> 00:08:46,125 why he felt that he had to shoot at his former friend. 151 00:08:51,292 --> 00:08:52,458 -Hey. -Hey, Clintuan. 152 00:08:52,542 --> 00:08:53,708 -DOCHER: Hey, how you doing? -How are you? 153 00:08:53,875 --> 00:08:55,500 -I'm good. -Hey, have a seat right there for me. 154 00:08:59,542 --> 00:09:01,750 Clintuan, as we're getting closer to trial date, 155 00:09:01,833 --> 00:09:03,833 I wanna walk you back through 156 00:09:03,875 --> 00:09:07,250 what you remember specifically about that night 157 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:10,750 and kind of really drill down on some of the details. 158 00:09:10,875 --> 00:09:15,000 Can you take me back to May 15th of 2020? 159 00:09:15,042 --> 00:09:16,167 I was ordering my food, 160 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:20,042 and as I let down my window, 161 00:09:20,167 --> 00:09:24,667 I hear somebody from the car behind me yelling, screaming, 162 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:27,000 just trying to get my attention, I guess. 163 00:09:27,125 --> 00:09:29,500 And that was your former friend, right? 164 00:09:29,542 --> 00:09:30,625 Yes, ma'am. 165 00:09:30,708 --> 00:09:32,167 MEADOWS: I know you told police 166 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:35,625 that you two had this history. 167 00:09:35,708 --> 00:09:37,708 What was that history and what did it make you feel 168 00:09:37,833 --> 00:09:40,125 that he was doing this that night? 169 00:09:40,208 --> 00:09:45,000 Well, we was friends at once point in time since high school. 170 00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:46,750 We was close friends. Like, best friends, 171 00:09:46,833 --> 00:09:49,292 like you could basically say at one point we were like, 172 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:51,542 almost brothers. 173 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:54,792 But I don't know, just over time, 174 00:09:54,875 --> 00:09:56,792 he just started to change. 175 00:09:56,875 --> 00:09:58,333 His behavior start to change. 176 00:09:58,417 --> 00:10:01,292 He started becoming worse, worse, making worse decisions. 177 00:10:01,375 --> 00:10:02,875 And I guess, when you see 178 00:10:02,958 --> 00:10:05,542 me not wanting to do the same thing that he wanted to do, 179 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:07,250 I guess he didn't like that. 180 00:10:07,375 --> 00:10:08,750 Okay. 181 00:10:08,833 --> 00:10:10,875 There were multiple times he tried to intimidate me. 182 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:14,000 He would see me and try to start fights. 183 00:10:14,083 --> 00:10:16,708 Were you saying stuff back to him? 184 00:10:16,708 --> 00:10:18,875 DOCHER: Oh, no, ma'am, I never bothered him. 185 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,458 I never gave him a reason to wanna bother me. 186 00:10:21,542 --> 00:10:23,375 I just always mind my business. 187 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:26,375 So, I think the State's gonna make a big deal about this, 188 00:10:26,458 --> 00:10:28,500 so I wanna hit it head on. 189 00:10:28,625 --> 00:10:30,375 At any point in time, did you notice 190 00:10:30,375 --> 00:10:32,333 if he had a gun on him? 191 00:10:32,375 --> 00:10:35,042 I noticed when he was getting out of the car, 192 00:10:35,125 --> 00:10:39,208 like he had, he was like just reaching down or something. 193 00:10:39,292 --> 00:10:40,500 I know he had something. 194 00:10:40,542 --> 00:10:42,458 I couldn't identify if it was a gun or not, 195 00:10:42,583 --> 00:10:45,458 but I knew he had something. 196 00:10:45,542 --> 00:10:49,000 Was there a time where he had threatened you with a gun before this incident? 197 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:52,875 He has pointed a gun at me more than once. 198 00:10:52,958 --> 00:10:55,083 He actually shot at me while I was working, 199 00:10:57,292 --> 00:10:58,833 while I was delivering pizza. 200 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,000 As I was driving, 201 00:11:00,542 --> 00:11:01,875 he was behind me 202 00:11:01,958 --> 00:11:04,792 and he was yelling, yelling again, yelling, 203 00:11:04,875 --> 00:11:06,833 screaming, trying to get my attention. 204 00:11:06,958 --> 00:11:11,125 He stuck his arm out the window to flash his gun. 205 00:11:12,833 --> 00:11:14,417 So that's when the light changed. 206 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,000 I started to drive. 207 00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:19,750 He takes a right and he stops and shoots at my car. 208 00:11:21,375 --> 00:11:23,708 All right, and when you were interviewed with police, 209 00:11:23,792 --> 00:11:25,083 did you tell them all this? 210 00:11:25,208 --> 00:11:27,667 -About this whole thing going on? -The history? 211 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:29,333 -Yeah. The history? -Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. 212 00:11:29,417 --> 00:11:31,208 And what did they say when you told them that? 213 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:33,333 I don't think they really care too much about 214 00:11:33,375 --> 00:11:36,750 what was going on or the history of it, honestly. 215 00:11:43,375 --> 00:11:46,917 So, when you see him pull up behind in the drive-thru, 216 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,792 did it immediately scare you 217 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:50,458 or was it a situation where you're like, 218 00:11:50,458 --> 00:11:51,917 "Oh, it's just him cutting up"? 219 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,167 I was like, "Oh, here we go again." 220 00:11:54,208 --> 00:11:55,125 Go ahead and tell me, 221 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:57,417 what do you remember him yelling at you? 222 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,875 Anything he could do to get me mad 223 00:11:59,958 --> 00:12:02,083 and get my attention. "Eff you, eff you..." 224 00:12:02,167 --> 00:12:04,958 What did he say that you thought was a threat? 225 00:12:05,042 --> 00:12:07,042 Well, he said, "I'm gonna burn you. I'm gonna burn you." 226 00:12:07,167 --> 00:12:09,500 What does that mean? For... So I make sure I understand. 227 00:12:09,542 --> 00:12:12,042 Which means, "I'm gonna shoot you" or "I'm gonna kill you." 228 00:12:17,958 --> 00:12:19,875 We know that, you know, you shot at him. 229 00:12:19,958 --> 00:12:21,542 At what point did you do that? 230 00:12:21,667 --> 00:12:24,333 Um, I shot him once he approached my car, 231 00:12:24,375 --> 00:12:27,000 and that's when I shot right at the ground towards his feet. 232 00:12:27,083 --> 00:12:28,792 Okay. 233 00:12:28,875 --> 00:12:31,167 So, you shooting at him that first time, 234 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:33,167 -you shot at the ground? -Yes, ma'am. 235 00:12:33,292 --> 00:12:35,417 He didn't leave? He didn't get away from you? 236 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,792 No, ma'am. 237 00:12:36,875 --> 00:12:38,750 And at that point, did you shoot a second time? 238 00:12:38,833 --> 00:12:40,375 Uh, yes, ma'am. 239 00:12:40,375 --> 00:12:41,667 Okay. Where did you shoot at? 240 00:12:41,792 --> 00:12:44,917 Uh, it was towards the air. 241 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,958 -It was upwards. -Okay. 242 00:12:48,042 --> 00:12:49,208 I was just trying to be careful 243 00:12:49,292 --> 00:12:50,667 and just trying to get him away from me. 244 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:51,958 I wasn't trying to harm him. 245 00:12:52,917 --> 00:12:54,708 I have my kid in the car, 246 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:57,750 so I'm trying to protect my child, 247 00:12:57,833 --> 00:12:59,125 protect my girlfriend. 248 00:13:01,958 --> 00:13:05,625 But I was... I was scared for my life, their life. 249 00:13:05,625 --> 00:13:07,208 I was confused. 250 00:13:07,292 --> 00:13:09,833 I just wish I could just (SNAPS FINGERS) teleport 251 00:13:09,917 --> 00:13:11,417 and just get away, honestly. 252 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:13,625 After the second shot, 253 00:13:13,708 --> 00:13:15,958 that's when the car in front of me moved up. 254 00:13:16,042 --> 00:13:19,208 So now I have the opportunity to escape, to get away. 255 00:13:19,292 --> 00:13:22,167 MEADOWS: When did you find out that another person had been hit? 256 00:13:22,208 --> 00:13:24,208 When I went to the police station, 257 00:13:24,292 --> 00:13:27,417 and that's when they told me that another person was shot. 258 00:13:28,208 --> 00:13:29,042 Okay. 259 00:13:29,167 --> 00:13:31,250 Had you met this alleged victim before? 260 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:32,833 No, ma'am. 261 00:13:32,875 --> 00:13:35,458 You weren't aiming at the alleged victim, correct? 262 00:13:36,458 --> 00:13:38,083 No, ma'am. 263 00:13:38,208 --> 00:13:40,750 You know, we've talked a lot about your defense, 264 00:13:40,833 --> 00:13:43,292 which is self-defense, saying, "I have a right," 265 00:13:43,417 --> 00:13:45,250 and under Mississippi law 266 00:13:45,333 --> 00:13:47,667 there is this provision called Castle Doctrine, 267 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:50,083 which basically says you have a right to defend yourself 268 00:13:50,208 --> 00:13:52,583 against harm, not only in your home, 269 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:54,667 but also in a car, 270 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:56,083 which is an extension of your home. 271 00:13:56,167 --> 00:13:58,042 So our argument, kind of going to trial, 272 00:13:58,125 --> 00:13:59,917 and what we've always talked about on this case 273 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,542 was saying, "I wasn't trying to hurt him. I'm trying to defend myself." 274 00:14:03,708 --> 00:14:06,500 I felt like I had no choice, like, I was forced to do that. 275 00:14:06,583 --> 00:14:09,792 That was probably the only way to get out of that situation. 276 00:14:09,875 --> 00:14:10,917 I feel like. 277 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 I think that we have 278 00:14:12,167 --> 00:14:13,458 a really strong self-defense claim. 279 00:14:13,542 --> 00:14:14,875 I always have, 280 00:14:14,958 --> 00:14:16,833 and I think we just continue to build on that 281 00:14:16,958 --> 00:14:18,958 as we get closer to trial. 282 00:14:19,708 --> 00:14:20,833 So... 283 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:27,750 Clintuan is facing very serious charges. 284 00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:31,250 I feel the police saw one storyline, 285 00:14:31,333 --> 00:14:33,000 and that storyline was based on 286 00:14:33,083 --> 00:14:35,333 two young Black kids shooting at each other. 287 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:37,083 They didn't dig any deeper than that. 288 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:40,375 And there's obviously layers here 289 00:14:40,375 --> 00:14:43,125 that were never investigated, never explained. 290 00:14:43,208 --> 00:14:46,500 And had they have done that, I don't think it would have gotten this far in the process. 291 00:14:49,208 --> 00:14:51,333 I think the entire process of him going to prison 292 00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:53,042 would be devastating on every level, 293 00:14:53,167 --> 00:14:55,833 and I'm gonna do my damnedest to prevent it. 294 00:15:07,792 --> 00:15:09,042 DOCHER: I go to sleep at night 295 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:10,875 and sometimes I have dreams about, you know, 296 00:15:10,958 --> 00:15:13,458 the worst possible situation. 297 00:15:13,542 --> 00:15:17,292 It's like, it's always in the back of your mind, like, what can happen. 298 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:20,000 It can be real depressing at times. It can be real sad. 299 00:15:32,542 --> 00:15:35,833 The best way to get this out of my mind is to work. 300 00:15:35,917 --> 00:15:37,625 So that's what I do. I try to do... 301 00:15:37,708 --> 00:15:39,167 I try to be as busy as possible. 302 00:15:42,208 --> 00:15:44,917 After that situation happened, I actually went to school. 303 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,917 Graduated from college. Got my degree. 304 00:15:50,042 --> 00:15:52,000 I got a better job, also. 305 00:15:56,792 --> 00:15:58,792 (DRILL WHIRS) 306 00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:00,167 To be accused of this crime 307 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,333 is actually pretty scary, you know? 308 00:16:02,458 --> 00:16:05,042 You don't know what they can do. You don't know what can happen. 309 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:06,542 You don't know what to expect. 310 00:16:09,417 --> 00:16:12,417 I've been pretty much clueless for the past three years. 311 00:16:14,458 --> 00:16:16,792 You want to progress and, like, go ahead with your life, 312 00:16:16,875 --> 00:16:19,208 but you can't because you got something just holding you back. 313 00:16:21,792 --> 00:16:23,917 So you have to literally wait 314 00:16:24,042 --> 00:16:26,833 until these people make a decision on your life. 315 00:16:26,875 --> 00:16:29,333 You know, it's tough. It's scary. 316 00:16:29,417 --> 00:16:31,250 You don't know what can happen. 317 00:16:31,375 --> 00:16:32,958 It's very, very stressful. 318 00:16:48,625 --> 00:16:51,333 -Hey, Haley, you wanna look at this with me? -BRIDGES: Sure. 319 00:16:58,667 --> 00:17:01,958 This is the video they turned over from 320 00:17:02,042 --> 00:17:04,000 the actual drive-thru. 321 00:17:06,042 --> 00:17:08,375 Tuan pulled in first. 322 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:11,750 Clearly in line to get food. 323 00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:18,833 We immediately see the alleged aggressor come in. 324 00:17:18,917 --> 00:17:21,333 He's coming into this drive-thru, 325 00:17:21,417 --> 00:17:23,583 not casually, "I'm gonna get some food." 326 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:25,375 It appears to be aggressive. 327 00:17:28,125 --> 00:17:31,167 So here comes the alleged victim in this gold-looking car, 328 00:17:31,208 --> 00:17:34,583 and he pulls in behind Tuan's old friend. 329 00:17:34,708 --> 00:17:36,708 He's in this silver car. 330 00:17:36,792 --> 00:17:38,458 And then right up... 331 00:17:38,583 --> 00:17:42,333 I mean, look how closely he is parked to the bumper of Clintuan's car. 332 00:17:42,417 --> 00:17:44,042 -I mean, he's right up on him. -BRIDGES: Yeah. 333 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:46,500 So Clintuan was boxed in. 334 00:17:46,583 --> 00:17:49,042 There's no way he could have backed up without hitting that car. 335 00:17:51,542 --> 00:17:52,417 And he's yelling. 336 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,250 Now he comes over. 337 00:17:57,333 --> 00:18:00,875 That's the first shot, and then the victim leaves. 338 00:18:00,958 --> 00:18:05,708 So, arguably, they're saying the first shot is the one that would have hit his car. 339 00:18:06,958 --> 00:18:09,333 But even as he drives away, 340 00:18:09,375 --> 00:18:12,333 you can't see the bullet hole in the side of his vehicle. 341 00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:14,833 BRIDGES: You can't even tell his vehicle's gotten hit. 342 00:18:14,875 --> 00:18:18,500 Because they're claiming it went through his door. 343 00:18:18,583 --> 00:18:22,500 Do we have any photos or anything of the door or... 344 00:18:22,542 --> 00:18:24,208 We don't have photos of the door, 345 00:18:24,292 --> 00:18:25,667 they didn't take them that night. 346 00:18:25,708 --> 00:18:28,208 The only thing we have is a document showing 347 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:32,833 they took in two shell casings and the projectile. 348 00:18:36,292 --> 00:18:38,833 The alleged aggressor stays on the scene, 349 00:18:38,958 --> 00:18:40,500 continuing to harass them. 350 00:18:40,583 --> 00:18:42,750 There he is, pulling on the doors, 351 00:18:42,875 --> 00:18:45,375 hitting the car windows with the baby in the back. 352 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:47,958 I can't imagine being in that car... 353 00:18:48,042 --> 00:18:49,083 -No. -...with him acting like that. 354 00:18:51,208 --> 00:18:53,833 And it's only now we see the other car move 355 00:18:53,917 --> 00:18:55,333 -that Clintuan is able to move. -BRIDGES: Mm-hmm. 356 00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:58,208 And he runs after Docher's car. 357 00:18:58,292 --> 00:19:02,625 This one really shows the degree of how aggressive he was being that night. 358 00:19:02,708 --> 00:19:06,042 And that supports Clintuan being so afraid of him, 359 00:19:06,125 --> 00:19:09,167 -because this is over-the-top behavior. -BRIDGES: Clearly. 360 00:19:09,208 --> 00:19:10,833 Unbelievable. 361 00:19:10,917 --> 00:19:14,083 It's pretty damning to me on the State's, like, 362 00:19:14,208 --> 00:19:16,208 why they don't see this as self-defense. 363 00:19:16,292 --> 00:19:18,708 So, yeah, I think that we're gonna have to deal with 364 00:19:18,833 --> 00:19:24,042 the State's argument that it was reckless to shoot at him regardless, 365 00:19:24,125 --> 00:19:25,583 and that's gonna get into 366 00:19:25,708 --> 00:19:28,333 -some of the history that they have. -Mm-hmm. 367 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,333 What had happened in the past. 368 00:19:30,417 --> 00:19:34,583 Was it reckless for him to shoot more than once? 369 00:19:34,667 --> 00:19:36,250 -I don't think so... -BRIDGES: I don't think so. 370 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:37,875 MEADOWS: ...because I feel like he keeps coming. 371 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,042 Why didn't he leave? 372 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:40,625 -Well, obviously he couldn't. -Mm-hmm. 373 00:19:40,708 --> 00:19:42,458 Why didn't he try to call police? 374 00:19:42,542 --> 00:19:44,542 This happens in less than two minutes. 375 00:19:47,375 --> 00:19:49,375 For a claim of self-defense in Mississippi, 376 00:19:49,458 --> 00:19:51,458 you are gonna have to show 377 00:19:51,542 --> 00:19:54,333 that the person who's claiming self-defense 378 00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:56,500 had a realistic belief 379 00:19:56,583 --> 00:19:58,292 that they were gonna be harmed. 380 00:19:58,417 --> 00:20:01,500 I think the aggressive acts that you can see in this video 381 00:20:01,625 --> 00:20:04,333 would support that this was someone 382 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:05,625 who was over-the-top. 383 00:20:05,708 --> 00:20:07,000 This is someone who's aggressive, 384 00:20:07,125 --> 00:20:08,583 and it was reasonable 385 00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:10,750 for Clintuan to do a warning shot, 386 00:20:10,833 --> 00:20:12,167 "Get away from my vehicle 387 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:13,583 "with my girlfriend and my baby inside." 388 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:29,292 MEADOWS: One of the issues that's come up 389 00:20:29,375 --> 00:20:34,625 is Clintuan saying, "I've had a history with the alleged aggressor." 390 00:20:34,708 --> 00:20:39,417 And we wanted to establish that and go back and verify that 391 00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:42,333 through either police reports or through school records 392 00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:43,875 or some kind of documentation. 393 00:20:45,417 --> 00:20:46,667 And the reason why that's important 394 00:20:46,708 --> 00:20:49,708 is because we want to help further establish 395 00:20:49,833 --> 00:20:53,208 Clintuan's fear of the alleged aggressor. 396 00:21:11,042 --> 00:21:14,417 Unfortunately, when we went to the police department, 397 00:21:14,542 --> 00:21:17,875 they were not able to find any of those reports. 398 00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:20,708 These are several years old. They may have been purged. 399 00:21:20,792 --> 00:21:22,917 They may have been filed under a different name. 400 00:21:31,042 --> 00:21:34,542 But what we did find was a report 401 00:21:34,625 --> 00:21:38,167 that the Docher family themselves actually filled out 402 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:43,250 roughly 17 days after the alleged incident in the drive-thru that night. 403 00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:47,583 So, this report was filed on June 2nd, 2020 404 00:21:47,708 --> 00:21:50,333 by Clintuan's mom and dad. 405 00:21:50,417 --> 00:21:52,375 They actually called police 406 00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:55,500 and indicated that a individual 407 00:21:55,583 --> 00:21:58,333 with a yellow-orange two-tone car 408 00:21:58,375 --> 00:22:01,417 kept driving back and forth in front of their home. 409 00:22:03,375 --> 00:22:09,583 This is consistent with the description of the alleged victim's car, 410 00:22:09,708 --> 00:22:12,292 and in addition to seeing this car, 411 00:22:12,375 --> 00:22:14,750 this very distinct-colored car, 412 00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:17,875 they also noted that the alleged aggressor 413 00:22:17,958 --> 00:22:20,583 is riding in that car with the driver. 414 00:22:22,917 --> 00:22:24,667 So that's interesting to us 415 00:22:24,708 --> 00:22:28,167 because it shows that maybe the alleged victim 416 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:30,917 is really not just a happenstance person 417 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000 in the drive-thru that night. 418 00:22:33,083 --> 00:22:35,917 Maybe the alleged victim is someone who really knew the aggressor 419 00:22:35,917 --> 00:22:37,708 and may have been involved in this, too. 420 00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:54,583 This is a very residential neighborhood that the Dochers live in. 421 00:22:54,708 --> 00:22:56,583 It's a closed-off neighborhood. 422 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,792 It's not like they would be going down the street 423 00:22:58,875 --> 00:23:00,333 to get somewhere else. 424 00:23:01,625 --> 00:23:03,333 So they had no reason to be in that neighborhood 425 00:23:03,417 --> 00:23:06,583 other than potentially, what I would argue, 426 00:23:06,667 --> 00:23:09,000 to intimidate the Docher family. 427 00:23:11,208 --> 00:23:12,667 So it's definitely helpful. 428 00:23:12,708 --> 00:23:14,000 It's something that we would bring up at trial. 429 00:23:15,625 --> 00:23:19,625 And that's the gateway into establishing 430 00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,250 that there was an ongoing threat. 431 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:23,542 There was an ongoing aggression. 432 00:23:23,625 --> 00:23:26,417 And there actually was fear, not only with Clintuan, 433 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:27,750 but his family. 434 00:23:39,375 --> 00:23:40,750 DOCHER: Amanda called me to the office 435 00:23:40,875 --> 00:23:43,750 and talked to me about the trial and the case. 436 00:24:00,792 --> 00:24:03,000 I mean, I have three kids, 437 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:06,333 and missing out on five years of their life would be crazy to me. 438 00:24:06,458 --> 00:24:09,667 I couldn't imagine doing it. I can't do that. 439 00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,958 Amanda, she's real confident in the case 440 00:24:15,042 --> 00:24:16,792 and believes we should take it to trial 441 00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:18,542 other than take the plea deal. 442 00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:23,083 I talked to my mom about the plea deal. 443 00:24:23,208 --> 00:24:25,208 You know, she's a mom. She didn't agree with it. 444 00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:28,292 She don't like the the length of it, or the terms of it. 445 00:24:28,375 --> 00:24:30,458 She thinks I should take it to trial 446 00:24:30,542 --> 00:24:32,417 and see where we go from there. 447 00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,458 I believe me and Amanda have a strong case, 448 00:24:39,542 --> 00:24:40,792 but you just never know. 449 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:42,333 Once you actually get in the courtroom, 450 00:24:42,417 --> 00:24:43,833 you never know what may happen. 451 00:24:43,958 --> 00:24:46,833 I'm gonna take Amanda's advice on how to go with that, 452 00:24:46,875 --> 00:24:49,833 and hopefully everything works out fine. 453 00:25:08,792 --> 00:25:11,542 MEADOWS: This case is very limited on what evidence we have 454 00:25:11,625 --> 00:25:16,125 and what was documented by police three years ago when this crime occurred. 455 00:25:25,667 --> 00:25:27,500 What we've been shown 456 00:25:27,625 --> 00:25:29,625 looks like an injury to the thigh, 457 00:25:29,708 --> 00:25:32,792 but we don't know what it is. 458 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:36,958 So, I want to talk to my sister, who's a nurse. 459 00:25:37,042 --> 00:25:40,750 She's very familiar with what a bullet wound 460 00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:42,875 as well as a grazing is gonna look like. 461 00:25:52,833 --> 00:25:55,417 Hey. So, I wanted to talk to you 462 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:57,500 because you have the experience 463 00:25:57,542 --> 00:25:59,417 looking at gunshot wounds, 464 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,458 and this case supposedly involves 465 00:26:02,542 --> 00:26:07,208 a 9mm gunshot that went through the door panel 466 00:26:07,333 --> 00:26:09,667 of a Hyundai Sonata 467 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:11,958 and grazed the top of this guy's leg 468 00:26:12,042 --> 00:26:14,833 and then lodged in the back seat, is what they're saying. 469 00:26:14,875 --> 00:26:17,000 But the pictures I sent you, 470 00:26:17,042 --> 00:26:19,333 there's a lot of bruising and other stuff, 471 00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:20,875 and I don't know what I'm looking at. 472 00:26:20,958 --> 00:26:22,667 So, I wanted you to tell me what you thought. 473 00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:25,042 (DONNA SPEAKING) 474 00:27:04,958 --> 00:27:07,542 Just so I know, and make sure I'm clear, 475 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:09,000 the bruising you saw, 476 00:27:09,083 --> 00:27:11,208 you don't think that would have happened within 477 00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:14,625 30 minutes, an hour of this alleged grazing? 478 00:27:14,708 --> 00:27:16,083 (DONNA SPEAKING) 479 00:27:20,375 --> 00:27:22,875 MEADOWS: We don't know when the picture was taken. 480 00:27:22,958 --> 00:27:25,875 They haven't told us, but our understanding, 481 00:27:25,958 --> 00:27:27,750 it was taken, like, that night. 482 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,625 (DONNA SPEAKING) 483 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:53,333 Okay, that's what I need to know. 484 00:27:53,417 --> 00:27:56,167 All right. Well, thank you. I love you. I hope you all have fun. 485 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:59,292 -Love you, too. Bye, y'all! -Bye. See you later. 486 00:28:02,292 --> 00:28:03,875 Having talked to Donna, 487 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,375 she had the same feelings we had. It's not fresh. 488 00:28:07,458 --> 00:28:09,542 This is something that, based on the bruising 489 00:28:09,667 --> 00:28:12,208 and based on the scabs on the wound, 490 00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:16,708 occurred maybe 24 to 48 hours prior to being photographed. 491 00:28:16,792 --> 00:28:19,000 The reports indicate that the alleged victim 492 00:28:19,042 --> 00:28:21,417 only cooperated with police that night, 493 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:24,917 so we would assume that these were taken that night. 494 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:29,042 I believe the victim's credibility as a witness 495 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:31,458 is so questionable at this point. 496 00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:34,667 It's just, none of it adds up. None of it seems to make sense. 497 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:37,542 It just confirms a lot of the issues 498 00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:41,042 we have about the investigation, 499 00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:43,125 and if the State can't prove 500 00:28:43,208 --> 00:28:46,208 that this is a result from Clintuan's gun, 501 00:28:47,542 --> 00:28:48,667 their case falls apart. 502 00:29:05,917 --> 00:29:07,083 MEADOWS: We are headed right now 503 00:29:07,167 --> 00:29:08,833 to the Columbus Police Department, 504 00:29:08,958 --> 00:29:10,875 which is holding the evidence 505 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:12,375 that was collected in Tuan's case. 506 00:29:31,958 --> 00:29:34,750 We don't have actual photos of the evidence, 507 00:29:34,833 --> 00:29:37,083 which is kind of unusual, because usually 508 00:29:37,167 --> 00:29:40,875 they would have it photographed where it's found, right, Sed? 509 00:29:42,167 --> 00:29:44,875 When you were a cop, isn't that standard, though? 510 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,500 SEDRICK: The first thing you do is secure the scene. 511 00:29:46,625 --> 00:29:48,917 Find any evidence. Mark it. 512 00:29:49,042 --> 00:29:51,333 It's been 28 years since I've been a patrolman, 513 00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:53,000 and I still remember. 514 00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:55,833 I'm just seeing the mistakes that were made. 515 00:29:55,917 --> 00:29:58,333 It's really embarrassing. 516 00:29:58,375 --> 00:30:02,500 MEADOWS: It gives us an extra layer to challenge the case, to say, 517 00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:04,500 in addition to the self-defense, 518 00:30:04,542 --> 00:30:06,500 there may be questions about 519 00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:08,042 how this whole thing was handled. 520 00:30:17,292 --> 00:30:18,167 You ready? 521 00:30:31,708 --> 00:30:33,250 BRIDGES: So what'd y'all find out? 522 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:36,083 MEADOWS: We met with the head of investigations. 523 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,125 -He pulls out the bag. -BRIDGES: Yeah. 524 00:30:38,208 --> 00:30:40,292 -That has never been opened... -Mm-hmm. 525 00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:42,375 ...since the night of the investigation. 526 00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:44,208 Inside are three boxes. 527 00:30:44,292 --> 00:30:46,375 The first two are the shell casings. 528 00:30:46,458 --> 00:30:48,500 And then, the third one, 529 00:30:48,583 --> 00:30:49,583 we said, "Well, can you go ahead 530 00:30:49,708 --> 00:30:51,917 "and open the one with the projectile?" 531 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,542 And I wanna show you what he showed us. 532 00:30:54,625 --> 00:30:56,875 BRIDGES: The one that they allegedly found in the back seat, 533 00:30:56,958 --> 00:30:58,167 -right? -Yes. 534 00:31:02,708 --> 00:31:03,833 Look at these. 535 00:31:04,542 --> 00:31:06,000 Look how huge this is. 536 00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:07,542 That's not a 9mm. 537 00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:09,625 SEDRICK: No. 538 00:31:09,708 --> 00:31:11,250 MEADOWS: There's no way that came out of a 9mm. BRIDGES: That is... No way. 539 00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:13,500 I asked him, I said, "Is that a .45?" 540 00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:15,125 He was like, "No, it's a 9mm." 541 00:31:15,208 --> 00:31:16,750 And I'm thinking, "There's no way," 542 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:20,625 because that projectile will not fit into a 9mm. 543 00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:22,000 It's too big. 544 00:31:22,083 --> 00:31:23,917 BRIDGES: It's too big. SEDRICK: It's too long. 545 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,750 MEADOWS: Projectiles are usually just little tiny bits, right? SEDRICK: Right. 546 00:31:26,833 --> 00:31:28,250 -Little pieces of metal that are left. -Right. 547 00:31:29,417 --> 00:31:31,750 And the head of investigation said, 548 00:31:31,833 --> 00:31:36,000 "I picked it up because it was so unusual. I've never seen one like it." 549 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:49,583 And just to be clear, they did take 550 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:52,417 Tuan's 9mm into custody. 551 00:31:53,167 --> 00:31:55,583 He admitted he had a 9mm. 552 00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,708 But it's really shocking to me 553 00:31:57,792 --> 00:32:00,667 to actually look at it in person, 554 00:32:00,708 --> 00:32:04,458 to know that nobody's looked at it since three years ago. 555 00:32:04,542 --> 00:32:06,167 It's a mess. 556 00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:08,000 -The whole thing's a mess. -BRIDGES: This is crazy. 557 00:32:09,875 --> 00:32:14,000 I think the biggest thing that we can use for this case is, one, 558 00:32:14,042 --> 00:32:16,917 showing the poor investigation that was done, 559 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,958 but also two, that it's just not reasonable 560 00:32:20,042 --> 00:32:22,500 that Clintuan's gun caused that injury, 561 00:32:22,542 --> 00:32:25,125 and if they can't connect it, they don't have a case. 562 00:32:27,042 --> 00:32:29,042 We were shocked 563 00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:30,792 when they opened up the evidence box 564 00:32:30,875 --> 00:32:34,167 and we saw this huge chunk of metal. 565 00:32:34,292 --> 00:32:37,375 It blows my mind. Nobody's looked at it since that night. 566 00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:39,042 It's never been sent to Ballistics, 567 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,292 never had been photographed 568 00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:41,917 until I photographed it for trial purposes. 569 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:45,000 It's just really clear to us 570 00:32:45,083 --> 00:32:47,875 that that could not have come from Clintuan's gun. 571 00:32:47,958 --> 00:32:49,708 It's a game-changer. 572 00:32:49,833 --> 00:32:51,417 It's a hundred percent a game-changer. 573 00:33:06,875 --> 00:33:08,042 MEADOWS: Hey. 574 00:33:08,167 --> 00:33:10,042 Hey. How are you? 575 00:33:10,125 --> 00:33:11,708 I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. 576 00:33:11,792 --> 00:33:13,333 I'm going back through my notes again. 577 00:33:13,417 --> 00:33:15,042 I feel at this point, I mean, 578 00:33:15,125 --> 00:33:17,875 we... we're holding all the cards on this one. 579 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,958 -Yeah. -I mean, we have everything posited. 580 00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:29,333 I'm thinking about going to them and really talking to them, 581 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:31,208 just to lay the cards on the table and say, 582 00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:34,000 "Look, we know there's a good self-defense claim. 583 00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:36,125 "It's been there from the beginning." 584 00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:38,667 And then, combined with what they're saying is the bullet, 585 00:33:38,792 --> 00:33:41,875 which looks like a fishing weight. 586 00:33:41,958 --> 00:33:43,167 Doesn't look like a bullet at all. 587 00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:45,833 And everyone we've talked to is questionable about 588 00:33:45,875 --> 00:33:51,292 if that even is a bullet or how it could have potentially even gone through the car door. 589 00:33:51,375 --> 00:33:53,583 So they can't even prove, the DA can't even show 590 00:33:53,708 --> 00:33:56,292 that there was a bullet that went through that man's car door. 591 00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:59,167 Combined with the evidence we have of the injury, 592 00:33:59,292 --> 00:34:01,708 to say this injury doesn't even look consistent with 593 00:34:01,792 --> 00:34:04,000 -what they're trying to say it does. -Mm-hmm. 594 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:08,333 So all this combined, I feel like we are... 595 00:34:08,417 --> 00:34:10,250 I think we're well within our rights to go to them 596 00:34:10,375 --> 00:34:13,542 and say, "Either drop it or potentially drop it to a misdemeanor." 597 00:34:13,625 --> 00:34:15,833 I don't see how they can establish a case, 598 00:34:15,917 --> 00:34:18,083 and knowing what we know, 599 00:34:18,208 --> 00:34:20,667 if anything, kind of coming to them like this 600 00:34:20,792 --> 00:34:22,000 I think will make them see 601 00:34:22,083 --> 00:34:23,833 we're extremely prepared for trial. 602 00:34:23,958 --> 00:34:25,042 I agree. 603 00:34:26,833 --> 00:34:29,333 Right now, the DA has offered him 604 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:32,375 the 10 years, five to serve. 605 00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,792 What we're countering with, basically, 606 00:34:34,875 --> 00:34:36,500 if they drop it to a misdemeanor, 607 00:34:36,542 --> 00:34:39,167 there's no jail time and it's not a felony. 608 00:34:39,292 --> 00:34:41,542 He doesn't need to serve time on this at all. 609 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:45,250 -No, I don't ever wanna see this kid do a day for this. -Mm-mmm. 610 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:46,583 -I don't think they have a case. -No. 611 00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:11,542 -How are you? -BRIDGES: I'm great. 612 00:35:11,667 --> 00:35:12,958 -How are you? -Good. 613 00:35:13,042 --> 00:35:14,500 So, 614 00:35:14,583 --> 00:35:16,208 -you know I've been over at the courthouse... -Yeah. 615 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:18,458 ...and the DA stopped me. 616 00:35:18,542 --> 00:35:20,417 I said, "You know, I have a lot of issues with this case. 617 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:21,792 "There's some serious things." 618 00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:24,208 And he says, "Yeah, I've gone back, I've looked," 619 00:35:24,292 --> 00:35:25,917 and basically gave the implication 620 00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:28,542 they're considering dropping it. 621 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:30,000 -Yeah. -Like, actually dropping it? 622 00:35:30,083 --> 00:35:32,292 They said at this point, they're gonna go back 623 00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:35,208 and reassess some of the evidence, 624 00:35:35,292 --> 00:35:39,042 and they are going to talk with the victim and see what's going on. 625 00:35:39,125 --> 00:35:41,583 But what if they can't get ahold of him? 626 00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:45,375 Because even in discovery, I'm looking at it right now. 627 00:35:45,458 --> 00:35:48,833 I mean, before they've tried to contact him multiple times 628 00:35:48,875 --> 00:35:50,083 and they were never able to. 629 00:35:50,167 --> 00:35:51,833 So what... 630 00:35:51,875 --> 00:35:54,083 What would happen if they can't get ahold of him? 631 00:35:54,167 --> 00:35:55,458 Will they still drop it? 632 00:35:55,542 --> 00:35:57,250 -Well... -Or consider it, at least? 633 00:35:57,375 --> 00:35:59,292 Yeah, I think they can still drop it 634 00:35:59,375 --> 00:36:02,000 because he actually mentioned that, that if nothing else, 635 00:36:02,083 --> 00:36:03,250 he could actually tell the court 636 00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:05,167 that they tried to get in touch with him, 637 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,000 and that would be an additional ground, 638 00:36:07,042 --> 00:36:08,458 possibly, for dismissal was 639 00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:10,417 not only is there some evidentiary issues, 640 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:12,667 but we have an uncooperative victim. 641 00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:15,417 I think at this point, they have to look at it 642 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,250 -from an evidentiary standpoint... -Mm-hmm. 643 00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:20,833 -...of, could they prove the elements? -Yeah. 644 00:36:20,917 --> 00:36:22,042 And I think now that 645 00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:23,542 they're matching everything up... 646 00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:26,833 -They just see that they can't prove all those. -Yeah. 647 00:36:26,917 --> 00:36:28,083 -BRIDGES: Wow. -Yeah. 648 00:36:28,208 --> 00:36:29,500 -BRIDGES: That's exciting. -Yeah. 649 00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:31,667 -BRIDGES: This is just so exciting. -It's very exciting. 650 00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:33,667 I mean, at this point, you know, we know that 651 00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:36,458 -nothing is set in stone until they sign it. -Exactly. 652 00:36:36,542 --> 00:36:39,167 That's my hesitation to kind of get into it 653 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:40,667 -with Tuan right now. -Yeah. 654 00:36:40,792 --> 00:36:43,833 Until we get a little more solid footing with them. 655 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,708 But at the end of the day, 656 00:36:46,792 --> 00:36:49,708 if it's a situation where they acknowledge it's a weak case 657 00:36:49,792 --> 00:36:51,667 and they acknowledge they need to drop it, 658 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:54,167 and Clintuan doesn't have to do a day in prison, 659 00:36:54,208 --> 00:36:55,333 I'll take it all day long. 660 00:36:55,417 --> 00:36:58,000 I just can't believe that 661 00:36:58,083 --> 00:37:01,000 all this time, they had all this time to look at the evidence, 662 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:05,083 and it's like you said, how many other cases are they doing this with? 663 00:37:05,083 --> 00:37:08,250 -All I can do right now is just focus on Clintuan... -Mm-hmm. 664 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,167 ...and hope we can make it right for him. 665 00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:32,833 MEADOWS: We were set for trial, 666 00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:36,125 and the State asked for a continuance. 667 00:37:36,208 --> 00:37:39,125 The assistant DA prosecuting the case actually said, 668 00:37:39,208 --> 00:37:40,667 "We think we're gonna drop this. 669 00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:42,625 "We just need time to talk to the victim." 670 00:37:49,042 --> 00:37:52,208 The victim in this case had not really cooperated with police. 671 00:37:52,208 --> 00:37:53,708 There wasn't a lot of information 672 00:37:53,792 --> 00:37:55,958 about his position or his thoughts. 673 00:37:56,042 --> 00:37:58,958 There had been no communication with him in the police file 674 00:37:59,042 --> 00:38:00,250 since the incident occurred. 675 00:38:02,125 --> 00:38:03,708 Everyone's kind of been on edge 676 00:38:03,792 --> 00:38:05,542 because we don't quite know what else to do. 677 00:38:05,625 --> 00:38:07,917 We've done everything we can to get resolution. 678 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,833 It's been put off. 679 00:38:09,917 --> 00:38:12,917 And then, this morning, around 6:00 in the morning, 680 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,458 I had noticed that a filing had occurred in Tuan's case. 681 00:38:17,542 --> 00:38:21,000 So I've actually asked Clintuan and his family to come in. 682 00:38:21,083 --> 00:38:23,042 Hey, Tuan, how are you doing? 683 00:38:24,375 --> 00:38:25,625 So, the last time we were in court, 684 00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:28,500 the district attorney had made this big thing about 685 00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:32,500 wanting this hearing and wanting the victim here. 686 00:38:32,542 --> 00:38:36,167 And my whole position was, even if this guy shows up, 687 00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:38,000 it's not gonna change anything. 688 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,083 And I kept pushing him and pushing him, and I hadn't heard anything. 689 00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:42,958 And, um... (EXHALES) 690 00:38:45,208 --> 00:38:47,708 This weekend, they filed a motion 691 00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:49,458 to nol-pros and drop everything. 692 00:38:49,542 --> 00:38:51,833 -They dropped it? Oh, my God! -(ALL LAUGH) 693 00:38:52,917 --> 00:38:55,542 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 694 00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:10,500 MEADOWS: So, today is getting in front of the judge 695 00:39:10,542 --> 00:39:12,125 and having the judge enter an order 696 00:39:12,208 --> 00:39:14,750 dropping everything against you this morning at 9:00. 697 00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:17,583 -(ALL LAUGHING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 698 00:39:19,083 --> 00:39:20,458 (INAUDIBLE) 699 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:28,875 (BELL RINGS) 700 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,333 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 701 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,792 I'm very, very happy for Clintuan and his family 702 00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:31,667 and knowing that they can put this to rest, 703 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:34,125 that the uncertainty's over. 704 00:41:34,208 --> 00:41:37,583 BILLIE: Yeah. Now, get in here and put your hands on me. 705 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:39,167 MEADOWS: It saddens me that 706 00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:41,833 the State was willing to give Tuan 10 years for this 707 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:43,667 without having looked at the evidence, 708 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:45,167 without having talked to this victim. 709 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:46,708 Things we now know. 710 00:41:46,792 --> 00:41:49,458 So, 10 years of... A normal person 711 00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:51,333 would have said, "Take it. It's a good deal." 712 00:41:51,417 --> 00:41:53,042 And some people may have taken it. 713 00:41:53,125 --> 00:41:55,167 But luckily, Tuan trusted us 714 00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:57,458 and knew that we were gonna carry it forward to today. 715 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:02,833 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 716 00:42:02,875 --> 00:42:06,167 DOCHER: I'm happy to finally have all this over with, 717 00:42:06,167 --> 00:42:08,583 and to know that I'm innocent 718 00:42:08,667 --> 00:42:10,458 and what I did was the right thing 719 00:42:10,542 --> 00:42:11,708 to do in that situation. 720 00:42:11,792 --> 00:42:13,500 So I feel pretty good.