1 00:00:01,919 --> 00:00:03,459 Jason c: Think of your worst day 2 00:00:03,921 --> 00:00:05,301 and take it times a million. 3 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:10,639 Danita: To think that somebody would accuse me of wanting to hurt my son, 4 00:00:10,802 --> 00:00:12,142 and it just kills me. 5 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:20,412 Brandon: I should have took the deal, 6 00:00:20,437 --> 00:00:23,017 mom, we agreed that at the immunity hearing 7 00:00:23,148 --> 00:00:24,978 if it went well, I'd take the deal. 8 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:27,398 It looks like I can't take it now, just like... 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,590 Angel: Never gonna see my kids again, 10 00:00:29,613 --> 00:00:32,123 (crying) I just wanna go, just let me go. 11 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:35,947 The end's coming, but not certain of what the end is. 12 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:42,039 Jason b: This is the most terrifying thing anybody could ever go through. 13 00:00:48,257 --> 00:00:49,757 Jason c: It's never gonna end until 14 00:00:49,841 --> 00:00:54,391 law enforcement decides to investigate the correct people. 15 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:59,305 I don't wanna grow old in prison. 16 00:01:00,269 --> 00:01:05,069 He doesn't have the ability to forget this accident, no matter how long he lives 17 00:01:09,695 --> 00:01:14,825 I really believe there's been a terrible mistake by the jury here. 18 00:01:16,034 --> 00:01:21,164 This is someone who did the right thing and faced a very serious punishment for it. 19 00:01:21,873 --> 00:01:25,173 Bryan: Prison is absolutely horrifying, if you're not scared, 20 00:01:25,335 --> 00:01:28,665 you're either crazy or you wanna die. 21 00:01:29,715 --> 00:01:31,215 It felt like witnessing death. 22 00:01:44,938 --> 00:01:47,978 Jason c: When I'm creeping across the field, planting, 23 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:50,400 you know, you start to just think about things, 24 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:54,660 what's happened in the past, the criminal trial, 25 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:58,202 the people who are still walking around who shot my mom. 26 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:04,165 (Phone ringing) 27 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:07,666 (Operator speaking) 28 00:02:12,633 --> 00:02:14,593 (Jason c speaking) 29 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:41,201 I listened to 30 00:02:42,537 --> 00:02:45,577 Jason Carter's 911 call to the Marion county sheriff's office 31 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:48,837 and right away that set bells off. 32 00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:56,342 (Police interviewer speaking) 33 00:03:13,819 --> 00:03:18,159 Newscaster: Jason Carter's gone from the 911 caller who reported the woman's murder. 34 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:21,540 To the suspect criminally charged with murder. 35 00:03:28,917 --> 00:03:32,337 Jason c: I'm being accused of murdering my mom. 36 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:37,554 By my dad, my sister and my brother. 37 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:45,135 We're scared. 38 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:47,018 Christine: Mm. I get that. 39 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,859 We have two kids that he has to go home to. 40 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:03,080 Alison: They found a box full of 90 disks 41 00:04:04,286 --> 00:04:08,246 um, that were labelled blank but weren't blank or labelled as something that they weren't. 42 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:11,423 Absolutely UN-freaking believable. 43 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:19,470 (Police interviewer speaking) 44 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:23,175 (Charity speaking) 45 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:29,595 Holy moly. 46 00:04:52,918 --> 00:04:56,628 Judge: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 47 00:05:02,511 --> 00:05:07,471 This was a case built against Jason Carter 48 00:05:08,183 --> 00:05:10,563 instead of a case trying to solve 49 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:12,935 a crime and look at all the clues. 50 00:05:19,778 --> 00:05:22,158 There are only two people who know what happened that day. 51 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,372 One of them's dead and the other one's sitting in that chair. 52 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,409 Find him guilty as charged. 53 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:40,970 Ladies and gentlemen, have you reached a verdict? 54 00:05:41,216 --> 00:05:42,256 Foreperson: Yes, we have. 55 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:47,680 Judge: "We, the jury, find Jason Carter... 56 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:50,559 "Not guilty." 57 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,442 (Sighing) 58 00:05:57,232 --> 00:05:58,322 (Gasps) 59 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:02,994 Let's go home. Yeah. Going home. 60 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:11,788 Jason: After the trial, my immediate family, my wife and our kids, 61 00:06:11,872 --> 00:06:13,922 we're trying like hell to move on. 62 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,330 Um... but, man! 63 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,500 If it isn't an uphill battle! 64 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:30,098 I mean, after my mom was gone, everything changed. Everything changed. 65 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,677 Things are never gonna be the same. 66 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:36,101 And we're just having to move on 67 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:38,819 and go a different path in life. 68 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,620 Jason's family was a huge part of our lives. 69 00:06:47,157 --> 00:06:49,327 And it's indescribable 70 00:06:49,492 --> 00:06:52,502 that these people you love so very much, 71 00:06:52,829 --> 00:06:55,369 you know, one's been taken from us. 72 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:58,790 But all the others are gone as well. 73 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:04,261 Shelly: We're always redefining our new normal and... 74 00:07:05,508 --> 00:07:09,348 Life's busy. You try to provide for your family, but we do have 75 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:12,563 some added things that make things different 76 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:16,016 and a lot of that's to do with, you know, our legal battles. 77 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:22,850 Alison: I have never worked on a case like this before, 78 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:25,453 especially one where the more I worked with my client, 79 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:27,530 the more I became convinced of his innocence. 80 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:35,196 Alison: So typically, when you're acquitted of a crime, 81 00:07:35,538 --> 00:07:37,498 it's a huge relief on every single front, right? 82 00:07:37,624 --> 00:07:39,464 It's over, you're free, been declared innocent. 83 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,600 In Jason's case, it's a little bit different 84 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:43,298 because before his criminal trial, 85 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,011 before he was ever charged with murder, 86 00:07:45,674 --> 00:07:46,764 there was a civil trial 87 00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:50,047 brought by bill Carter, that's Jason's father. 88 00:07:51,513 --> 00:07:54,813 Bill's motivation here is somewhat hard to understand. 89 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:56,266 What we know is this, 90 00:07:57,143 --> 00:07:59,063 on the day that Shirley Carter was murdered, 91 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:02,524 bill Carter and the rest of his family were adamant 92 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:04,647 that Jason could not have done this. 93 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,200 And we also know because we have a recording, 94 00:08:07,362 --> 00:08:09,912 that agent ludwick, who was in charge of this investigation, 95 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:13,081 meets with Jason's sister and does an interview with her. 96 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:15,328 In the course of this interview, 97 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:19,995 he strongly implies that Jason planted evidence at the crime scene. 98 00:08:20,417 --> 00:08:22,127 That is when everything switched 99 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:25,844 so, bill Carter brings a civil wrongful death lawsuit. 100 00:08:26,798 --> 00:08:29,298 Which is basically him suing Jason 101 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:33,046 to get money for the death of his wife. 102 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:37,475 Well finally law enforcement admits he didn't plant evidence, 103 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,979 we know that was there before. 104 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:46,987 But the judgment that bill Carter won against Jason was for $10 million. 105 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:57,662 Alison: Very recently, we did arguments 106 00:08:57,746 --> 00:08:59,616 in front of the Iowa supreme court. 107 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,826 Essentially what we were arguing was that 108 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,090 all of this evidence that we got in the criminal case 109 00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:07,629 that was brand new to us that we hadn't been able to use in the civil case, 110 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:09,758 that we should be getting a new trial 111 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:11,943 for the civil case where we can get to use that evidence. 112 00:09:11,968 --> 00:09:13,288 We would think that would be fair. 113 00:09:24,439 --> 00:09:27,479 $10 million judgement means that Jason 114 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:30,994 is constantly under bill Carter's thumb for the rest of his life. 115 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:33,191 I mean, that obviously affects Jason in a lot of ways, 116 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:34,779 he's got a son in college, 117 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:37,868 he's got a daughter in school right now. And will eventually go to college. 118 00:09:38,036 --> 00:09:40,436 It's important that they be able to provide for their family. 119 00:09:40,997 --> 00:09:42,707 But a $10 million judgement means that 120 00:09:42,874 --> 00:09:44,924 Jason can never really relax. 121 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:48,883 Um, he's always got bill Carter breathing down his neck. 122 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:56,097 Jason: There is no way in hell 123 00:09:56,513 --> 00:09:59,813 I will ever reconcile with my dad. 124 00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,888 Never. Not a chance. 125 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:06,476 That man has tried his damnedest 126 00:10:07,065 --> 00:10:10,315 to tear my family to shreds. 127 00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:16,199 He's done everything possible to try and ruin us. 128 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:22,207 I don't even want to know when he passes away. I have no... 129 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:27,630 It's just, you know, oh... 130 00:10:33,716 --> 00:10:36,796 Jason: We meet each other on the road sometimes, 131 00:10:37,428 --> 00:10:40,308 sometimes see each other across the field, I'm sure. 132 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:42,349 Um... 133 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:50,978 No, I don't want nothing to do with him ever again. 134 00:10:52,277 --> 00:10:55,487 I'm sure my mom's probably looking down on me right now today going, 135 00:10:56,406 --> 00:10:58,316 "(bleep) Damn it, Jay." 136 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:01,491 And sorry, mom, but... 137 00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:07,502 Um, he's went way too far, you know. 138 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:11,875 You can't undo what you've brought upon... 139 00:11:13,298 --> 00:11:16,968 Myself, my wife and my kids. Can't undo that. 140 00:11:20,138 --> 00:11:22,098 Shelley: It's just so surreal, 141 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:27,403 you know, my father in law wants to take everything that we have, and... 142 00:11:28,813 --> 00:11:32,403 Which I... I just can't even wrap my head around. 143 00:11:33,985 --> 00:11:35,485 I mean that's not the man I knew. 144 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:41,988 Bill even has his name on our mortgage and we just found that out. 145 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:44,745 And so now we're fighting to get that removed. 146 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:47,496 We're six years in and we're still fighting 147 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:51,251 yeah. 148 00:11:56,466 --> 00:11:58,636 Automated voice: Hello. You have a prepaid call 149 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:02,808 from an inmate at hardeman county correctional center... 150 00:12:04,349 --> 00:12:06,309 (Bryan speaking) 151 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Bryan: I wish I would have done something different. 152 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:32,036 It just spiraled out of control. 153 00:12:44,472 --> 00:12:46,452 Female newscaster: Churchill police say a home surveillance system, 154 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:48,604 recorded Lawson shooting his wife. 155 00:12:48,685 --> 00:12:50,435 Investigators said that video also 156 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,480 showed the pair in an argument before the shooting. 157 00:12:54,357 --> 00:12:55,957 Bryan: When she went into these fits of violence. 158 00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:57,284 Anything was possible. 159 00:12:58,695 --> 00:13:00,485 She was very dangerous. 160 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:05,659 I'd been with her almost 10 years, at this point. 161 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:06,948 And she... 162 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,618 Abused, abused and abused on me. 163 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:11,539 And... and I took it, 164 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:13,416 because there was no controlling her. 165 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:24,297 Bryan: Up to this point, she's been nothing but tell me, how she's gonna kill me, 166 00:13:24,846 --> 00:13:26,056 so, 167 00:13:26,514 --> 00:13:30,184 for my own son's safety I retrieved a pistol from behind the couch. 168 00:13:31,602 --> 00:13:33,522 Bryan: I didn't arm myself at the beginning. 169 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,271 I armed myself, 170 00:13:36,107 --> 00:13:38,437 when she convinced me, she was aiming to do him harm. 171 00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:41,570 Points at me, 172 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:43,360 "everybody's gonna die". 173 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:46,165 Larry: Is that what she says? Bryan: Yes, yes. 174 00:13:46,367 --> 00:13:47,367 Right now. 175 00:13:48,286 --> 00:13:50,496 I wasn't gonna risk his life. He's too precious. 176 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:53,879 I couldn't take that chance. 177 00:13:59,422 --> 00:14:00,422 (Multiple gunshots) 178 00:14:02,258 --> 00:14:03,258 (Feedback) 179 00:14:16,397 --> 00:14:19,607 Bryan: There's nothing in this world that compares 180 00:14:20,068 --> 00:14:21,488 to having to take a life. 181 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:23,570 Nothing. 182 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:34,370 We were approached by the da's office about trying to make a deal. 183 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,785 Instead of considering you a standard offender, 184 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,960 they're gonna consider you a mitigated offender. 185 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:42,843 That just means, you serve 20% of your sentence. 186 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:44,383 Meaning 15 years, 187 00:14:44,842 --> 00:14:46,472 20%, so you'd serve, 188 00:14:46,677 --> 00:14:47,797 roughly 3 years. 189 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:49,600 And then, you're eligible for parole. 190 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,102 Okay. It doesn't mean you're automatically released, 191 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,212 - it means you get your parole hearing. Okay. - Bryan: Okay. 192 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:58,688 The end's coming, but not certain on what the end is. 193 00:15:13,871 --> 00:15:16,461 Bryan: Chandra's family wanted to see me serve some time. 194 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:18,881 Reason to do the things they asked, 195 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:21,025 because they have control of Braydon. 196 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:23,632 Right now, he's between my mother Evelyn, 197 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:25,433 and chandra's mother. 198 00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:27,218 If I take the plea, 199 00:15:27,343 --> 00:15:29,143 I know they'll still let Braydon, 200 00:15:29,554 --> 00:15:30,724 be a part of her life. 201 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:36,017 Judge: All rise. 202 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:39,649 State of Tennessee versus Bryan Steven Lawson. 203 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:47,822 Your honor, account 1 will be amended, 204 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:49,697 to voluntary manslaughter. 205 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,510 Is this your signature on this waive of rights to plead guilty? 206 00:15:52,535 --> 00:15:55,135 - Bryan: It is, your honor. - You understand that by pleading guilty, 207 00:15:55,163 --> 00:15:56,213 this is the only trial, 208 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:59,184 the only hearing you'll ever have on these charges, there'll be no opportunity 209 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:00,788 for you after today, 210 00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:03,977 to present evidence of your innocence, or to plead not guilty. 211 00:16:04,005 --> 00:16:05,165 I do. 212 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:08,755 I find you guilty, of involuntary manslaughter. 213 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:12,310 Sentence you to serve 15 years, which means, you're now a convicted felon. 214 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:15,125 You'll be in custody. You'll go over here, with the sheriff. 215 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,669 Evelyn: Bryan as a child, 216 00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:46,628 was very quiet. 217 00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:48,421 No problems, no trouble. 218 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,137 In fact, 219 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:54,179 most people can't believe that he would... Even his cousins would say, 220 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:56,556 "he done what"? 221 00:16:58,601 --> 00:16:59,601 It's just hard. 222 00:17:00,102 --> 00:17:01,152 It's just hard. 223 00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:02,646 All the way around. 224 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:06,979 Nicky: He kind of stayed in the background. 225 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:09,508 I was always the loud one that wanted to be up, front and center. 226 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,009 And, he didn't like a lot of conflict. 227 00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:13,193 He... he didn't like a lot of screaming. He never did. 228 00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:15,179 He... he always was the one who was... 229 00:17:15,701 --> 00:17:18,001 Trying to make everything better, 230 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,119 and, um, always be the peacemaker. 231 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,669 I would have never in a million years 232 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,240 thought my brother could ever... 233 00:17:26,671 --> 00:17:27,671 Do anything... 234 00:17:27,797 --> 00:17:28,797 Like what happened. 235 00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:44,152 (Bryan speaking) 236 00:18:36,282 --> 00:18:37,742 (Cell phone chiming) 237 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:40,948 (Automated voice speaking) 238 00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:50,458 Bryan will call, often. And... and ask my mom to send money. 239 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,628 Sometimes... sometimes multiple times a day. 240 00:18:52,757 --> 00:18:54,427 Sometimes, multiple times in a week. 241 00:18:55,176 --> 00:18:59,716 It does concern me when he calls like that and needs money. 242 00:18:59,847 --> 00:19:01,847 And he feels like he can't wait and it's like, 243 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,734 "I want it now". And that always, 244 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,690 makes me wonder, what's going on, and... and if he's safe. 245 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,289 Automated voice: This call will be recorded 246 00:19:13,361 --> 00:19:14,841 and subject to monitoring at any time. 247 00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:16,781 You may begin speaking now. 248 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:18,490 How are you doing? 249 00:19:19,075 --> 00:19:20,235 (Bryan speaking) 250 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:23,703 Mom's at home. 251 00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:25,043 (Bryan speaking) 252 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:26,684 Did she tell you to send some cash out? 253 00:19:27,124 --> 00:19:29,964 Well, I know, but she's not told me anything about sending you any money. 254 00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:31,795 (Bryan speaking) 255 00:19:33,756 --> 00:19:35,836 Can... can you speak freely right now? Or... 256 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,217 - It's not a good... - (Bryan speaking) 257 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:41,621 - Okay. - (Bryan continues speaking) 258 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:45,850 Okay. 259 00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:53,654 So it's... It's concerning to me that, 260 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:56,355 why he needs that much money or, 261 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:58,702 you know, what he's... 262 00:19:59,448 --> 00:20:00,988 He's having to do. 263 00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:03,695 And, who's putting pressure on him to get that money. 264 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:08,290 I can't imagine that he's spending that much money on food and commissary. 265 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:17,928 Evelyn: Since Bryan has been in prison, 266 00:20:18,342 --> 00:20:19,802 it's been a daily struggle 267 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:21,934 not knowing what's happening there. 268 00:20:23,139 --> 00:20:24,469 What he's going through. 269 00:20:25,516 --> 00:20:29,146 Nicky: All the... the torment and the horrible things 270 00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:30,750 that he's had to go through in prison, 271 00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:33,915 I don't think my brother ever deserved to be put in that position. 272 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,943 Somebody had pulled a knife on him. 273 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:38,627 Basically, told him that if he didn't do certain things, 274 00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:40,454 and get a certain amount of money, 275 00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:42,838 get my mom to send a certain amount of money, by a certain time, 276 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:45,447 that he would go out of there in a body bag. 277 00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:54,839 I feel like I'm a good person. 278 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:59,932 So I don't feel like I've done anything, like, to be punished for. 279 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:10,099 (Operator speaking) 280 00:21:11,187 --> 00:21:12,187 (Angel speaking) 281 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:15,605 (Operator speaking) 282 00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:17,192 (Angel speaking) 283 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:28,699 Newscaster: His home was ransacked 284 00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:32,121 and bonner had duct tape over his mouth and nose, 285 00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:33,748 which caused him to suffocate. 286 00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:10,043 Andrea: Angel was 13 years old at the time 287 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:13,622 and I think that's obviously what stuck out, she was a child. 288 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:23,969 My question is if you're looking at this picture 289 00:22:24,093 --> 00:22:27,223 can you swear under oath that this is not anything that you witnessed? 290 00:22:28,222 --> 00:22:31,432 I can, like I've never seen that place before. 291 00:22:41,527 --> 00:22:43,987 I saw cookie about once or twice a week. 292 00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:46,413 I was thinking that tape might have come from here 293 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:48,202 'cause I used to pick stuff up like that. 294 00:22:51,287 --> 00:22:54,157 Andrea: He told me angel often spent time in the garage, 295 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:58,790 so it's plausible angel had touched duct tape at their workshop. 296 00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,046 There were only two options. 297 00:23:01,171 --> 00:23:03,921 She was going to jail for the rest of her life or she was going home. 298 00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:11,845 That is a piece of duct tape from exhibit 14a, 299 00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,564 where I developed an identifiable print. 300 00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:17,346 Man: And who was that a match to? 301 00:23:18,188 --> 00:23:20,068 Woman: That was a match to angel bumpass. 302 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:24,951 Man: And you said that both these prints 303 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:27,700 were on the adhesive side of the tape? Is that correct? 304 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,163 Woman: Yes, that's correct. 305 00:23:29,283 --> 00:23:32,043 Garth: I was able to hear a little bit of a moan in the room 306 00:23:32,161 --> 00:23:36,081 when the jury heard that it was the sticky side of the duct tape. 307 00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:39,286 I think it kind of registered in their heads, that hey, 308 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:43,916 she might have had to be there for her print to be on the sticky side. 309 00:23:44,048 --> 00:23:47,758 She didn't get her fingerprint on the tape by playing with it. 310 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:51,764 She was helping her buddy valery Barnes commit a robbery. 311 00:23:52,306 --> 00:23:55,556 Convict both these individuals of these crimes, 312 00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:59,363 first degree murder and especially aggravated robbery. 313 00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:02,322 This has been the worst year of my life, 314 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:06,449 I have to sit in court with people who I've never met, 315 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:10,620 about victims that I've never met, like, how? 316 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:21,963 Andrea: The only potential evidence that you've heard 317 00:24:22,086 --> 00:24:24,126 against angel bumpass is in this case, 318 00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:27,724 are two fingerprints on a piece of duct tape. 319 00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:32,354 A mobile object that could've come from anywhere, 320 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,181 and could've gone anywhere. 321 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:36,982 If this duct tape ends up somewhere 322 00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:39,849 and is used in the perpetuation of a crime, 323 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:42,559 am I considered to have been at that crime scene? 324 00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:48,987 I did not believe the state had enough evidence against angel, 325 00:24:49,071 --> 00:24:52,661 there were just so many questions. 326 00:24:58,414 --> 00:24:59,414 (Man speaking) 327 00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:05,960 (Woman speaking) 328 00:25:14,388 --> 00:25:15,758 It felt like witnessing death. 329 00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,022 I just wanna go, I'm never gonna see my kids again, 330 00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:22,983 I just wanna go. Just let me go. (Crying) 331 00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:25,189 (Man speaking) 332 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:48,800 I don't wanna grow old in prison 333 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,264 cause I've never done anything, so that's what's scary. 334 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:07,975 Dana, would you make sure to gather that bumpass file? 335 00:26:08,108 --> 00:26:09,108 Yes, sir. 336 00:26:15,157 --> 00:26:18,037 My name is William Dennis massey. 337 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:21,792 And I practice law in Memphis, Tennessee. 338 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:27,213 I'm gonna ask the judge to dismiss this case 339 00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:30,126 based upon insufficient evidence presented at trial. 340 00:26:32,382 --> 00:26:33,632 That's our goal. 341 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,890 We want to send angel home to her children. 342 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:19,183 Jason: If you didn't do it you shouldn't have to worry about it, 343 00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:25,266 and uh, I just felt you know, at times, it's just so hard, 344 00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:31,484 'cause you've got so many different people in different positions, 345 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:34,148 that are basically gunning for you. 346 00:27:34,236 --> 00:27:35,606 They've pointed the finger at you, 347 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:37,317 they feel you've done this 348 00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:41,987 and they're gonna stop at nothing to make sure that you pay for this crime. 349 00:27:43,871 --> 00:27:45,911 Once the finger's pointed at you, god help ya, 350 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:49,039 'cause they don't let up, one iota. 351 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:55,760 It's very frustrating, you know things should be made right, 352 00:27:55,841 --> 00:28:00,221 it's just you've gotta figure out how. 353 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:15,112 I truly believe, that if the evidence we had at the time of the criminal case 354 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:18,494 had been available to us at the civil case, we would have won. 355 00:28:19,865 --> 00:28:22,655 You know, I interviewed all the jurors from Jason's criminal case. 356 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:25,414 I probably spent about ten hours on the phone with them 357 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:28,327 it's something you can do on the conclusion of a trial. 358 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:32,668 And what I learned turned out to be extremely powerful. 359 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:38,134 We keep up on the case, there's a few jurors that I speak to pretty regularly 360 00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:42,298 and when we come across any type of information 361 00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:46,099 like when he took it to the supreme court, we did watch that stuff, 362 00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:50,653 and you become invested more than you ever think you would. 363 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,651 - So how you guys been? - Both: Good. 364 00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:56,571 Yeah? It's been like, what, a year since we saw each other? 365 00:28:56,693 --> 00:28:58,653 - Yeah. - Yeah. Before covid. 366 00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,243 Tami: It was kind of a hard trial to set through. 367 00:29:02,366 --> 00:29:07,956 It was, like so emotional, and we became pretty close through that. 368 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,335 If the jurors at the civil trial heard exactly what we heard in the murder trial 369 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:24,968 and if the evidence was all given to the defense team like it should have been, 370 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:27,058 I think the verdict at the civil trial 371 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:29,122 - would've been a completely different verdict. - Right. 372 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:30,352 - I totally agree. Yeah. - Yep. 373 00:29:38,819 --> 00:29:41,069 My name is Mark ludwick. 374 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:44,316 It's spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k. 375 00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:47,615 Like, ludwick, he was just really their demise. 376 00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,121 - Yeah. - I mean, that's the truth. 377 00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:01,376 There are multiple reports 378 00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:05,798 alleging that Joe sedlark, John followill and Joel followill 379 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:08,099 were involved in a homicide. 380 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,097 Yes, I believe we were told that. 381 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:21,573 Are you aware of any alibi evidence for either of those three individuals? 382 00:30:25,073 --> 00:30:27,163 Regarding on June 19th... 383 00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:30,196 For the morning of June 19th, 2015. 384 00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:34,079 No, I do not know where Joe sedlark was, 385 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,207 I do not know where John followill was, 386 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,375 I do not know where Joel followill was. 387 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:43,320 - Why didn't you look into those people? - Why don't you? 388 00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:44,762 I don't get why you don't. 389 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:46,643 He sealed the deal, for everyone, I think. 390 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,820 - Yeah. Oh, yeah. - Everybody. 391 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:48,966 Where's the case at now? 392 00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:50,676 - Is it a closed case? - It is. 393 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:54,139 Have they reopened it and tried to find who the real killer is? I don't know. 394 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:57,059 I don't think the guy should've ever been on trial. 395 00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:11,997 I am extremely frustrated that the case is apparently considered closed 396 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,660 after Jason was acquitted. 397 00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:15,709 I think it's clear the jury spoke. 398 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,174 They have not found the person that's responsible for Shirley Carter's murder. 399 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:20,574 There should be an investigation 400 00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:24,130 and it's flabbergasting to me that there hasn't been one. 401 00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:37,189 Brandon: I got scared and I punched him, just one punch. 402 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:52,994 (Conversing) 403 00:32:10,971 --> 00:32:14,981 It was my birthday and we was all outside just talking, 404 00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:21,478 and I see Mr. Turner push New York through the screen door 405 00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,816 and New York ended up falling on his head on the steps. 406 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,692 (Indistinct chatter) 407 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:32,698 I wanted to help him up, and Mr. Turner is jumping in front of my face 408 00:32:32,826 --> 00:32:37,656 and was screaming and you know I got scared and I was just, threw a punch. 409 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,039 He hit the ground. 410 00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:42,931 And you felt you were about to be attacked? 411 00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:47,553 Yes, the punch was to just like back him off, honestly. 412 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:05,816 (Speaking) 413 00:33:17,037 --> 00:33:20,827 It was a very serious case, it was a very stressful case. 414 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:24,286 I fully believed he was completely innocent. 415 00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:27,625 I do everything I can to get the best result for my clients, 416 00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:29,966 but in this case, it kept me up at night, 417 00:33:30,091 --> 00:33:33,721 because if it went wrong, it was gonna be horribly wrong. 418 00:33:37,057 --> 00:33:40,637 I wanted to help that night, but I didn't know helping was gonna cause this. 419 00:33:41,686 --> 00:33:45,356 Now I'm thinking about prison every single day. 420 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:50,489 Wanda: Brandon has never been in trouble before. 421 00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:54,819 I tried to hide my tears and told him, 422 00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:56,491 "oh, it's gonna be all right." 423 00:33:56,618 --> 00:34:02,118 But I don't know what's gonna happen, and not knowing is torture. 424 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:16,007 They're offering you a plea, to assault and battery in the second degree, 425 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,057 which is classified as a misdemeanor. 426 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:20,141 If you choose to accept this plea, 427 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:22,518 you can go home today a free man. 428 00:34:25,855 --> 00:34:31,815 Wow, the one is, I feel I can still go up and move on with my life. 429 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:49,048 Brandon I know you're worried about what might happen with the jail time 430 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:53,430 but I never want you to admit to something you did not do. 431 00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:07,899 It's always a very fluid process and you can always call their bluff, 432 00:35:08,023 --> 00:35:09,213 but sometimes that's a mistake, 433 00:35:09,232 --> 00:35:10,652 sometimes they withdraw the offer 434 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:12,855 and then your client is wishing they'd took it. 435 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,160 I should've took the deal. (Crying) 436 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:28,588 I wanna go home, mom. 437 00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:34,296 Mom, I wanna go home. I'm sorry for everything. 438 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,176 No. Listen, listen to me. 439 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:38,601 I'm never ever gonna see you again. 440 00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:40,138 You'll see me. 441 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:44,353 Steve: Jury's can be unpredictable and Brandon's future's in their hand 442 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:47,846 and he faces a very severe penalty if we lose. 443 00:35:48,021 --> 00:35:50,691 This is what it's like to be accused of a serious crime. 444 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,652 Good morning. 445 00:35:55,737 --> 00:36:00,157 The defense argued that Brandon decided to punch Mr. Turner because it was self-defense. 446 00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:03,865 It's clearly not a fair fight, it was just an assault. 447 00:36:05,038 --> 00:36:07,828 You heard the viciousness in that man's voice. 448 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,840 I'm gonna (bleep) This (bleep) Up. 449 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:15,051 Did he sound like a meek little old man? 450 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:18,932 Brandon's meek, he's scared of Mr. Turner. 451 00:36:26,601 --> 00:36:30,271 He was open and honest, he said exactly what happened, 452 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:35,065 I don't think there was any reason to doubt anything he told them. 453 00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:37,952 You didn't try anymore verbal things like, 454 00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:40,531 "back the hell off, old man" you just popped? 455 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:42,032 Yes, sir. 456 00:36:49,082 --> 00:36:50,462 Man: All rise. 457 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:57,258 Judge: Madam, you and your fellows, you've all reached a unanimous decision 458 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:58,720 woman: Yes, judge. 459 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:03,393 We the jury find the defendant, Brandon joyner... 460 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:10,728 not guilty. 461 00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:22,492 Thank you so much. 462 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:28,373 That's the scariest thing you wanna encounter in your life, I promise you. 463 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:42,216 Steve: I have spoken with Brandon, he was going to school and working. 464 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:44,720 You know, he's going on with his life 465 00:37:44,846 --> 00:37:48,766 and he just wants to move forward and put this behind him. 466 00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:56,020 I feel completely confident that Brandon is not going to get into any trouble again. 467 00:37:56,941 --> 00:37:59,071 This is someone who did the right thing, 468 00:37:59,694 --> 00:38:02,324 and faced a very serious punishment for it, 469 00:38:03,364 --> 00:38:07,244 and I feel confident that he's gonna go on with his productive life, 470 00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:10,961 without any more interactions with the criminal justice system. 471 00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:03,005 Woman: This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. 472 00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:05,553 - How are things going? - (Bryan speaking) 473 00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,103 Have they said anything to you about parole? 474 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:13,425 Do you feel hopeful about getting out? 475 00:39:27,824 --> 00:39:29,244 Just keep up the hope. 476 00:39:29,951 --> 00:39:34,501 And remember, there's a final day sometime 477 00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:36,792 and hopefully it's very soon. Okay? 478 00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:39,126 - (Bryan speaking) - I love you, too. 479 00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,569 My name is Gwen ethridge and chandra is my daughter. 480 00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:03,648 She was the love of my life. 481 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:06,199 Still was when she died. 482 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:10,235 And I think of her everyday and I miss her everyday. 483 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:15,197 Bryan took away a piece of me. 484 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:17,827 He took away a mother. 485 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:23,920 He took away somebody that was loved by a huge family. 486 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:28,795 I don't think Bryan should be released from prison right now. 487 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:35,926 I think he should spend at least five or six years, at least. 488 00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:40,733 I think he should have remorse for what he's done. 489 00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:43,821 And I think getting out too quick, he won't have that. 490 00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:52,183 Woman: Churchill police say a home surveillance system 491 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,490 recorded Lawson shooting his wife, 492 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,177 investigators said that video also showed 493 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:58,369 the pair in an argument before the shooting. 494 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:02,918 The couple's small child was standing besides chandra Lawson when she was shot. 495 00:41:04,337 --> 00:41:06,167 Man: Ready? Here you go. 496 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,822 What Braydon saw, what he went through. 497 00:41:28,194 --> 00:41:29,284 (Sighs) 498 00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:31,815 I don't know what to think. 499 00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:34,162 Right after it happened 500 00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:36,162 we put him in counselling and stuff. 501 00:41:36,619 --> 00:41:38,619 Braydon kept telling me when he was little, 502 00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:41,206 he'd say the gun went, pow, pow, pow, 503 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:43,078 then mommy fell 504 00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:44,997 and mommy had juice all over her. 505 00:41:46,087 --> 00:41:47,647 Chandra: (In video) What you do Braydon? 506 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:49,052 Look at the camera, 507 00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:50,715 say cheese. 508 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,280 Gwen: Just don't think it would be good for Braydon 509 00:41:54,303 --> 00:41:55,783 to see him right now when he's little, 510 00:41:55,847 --> 00:41:57,427 because I'm afraid it will bring back 511 00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:59,675 too many bad memories and stuff 512 00:41:59,809 --> 00:42:02,019 that he won't understand or won't know how to deal with. 513 00:42:13,031 --> 00:42:16,241 Hey, buddy, good to see you. 514 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,079 Good to see you. 515 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,310 I was thinking it's no good to hold hate towards somebody. 516 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:25,793 You're right. You're right. 517 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:31,087 What good does it do to me to sit in a room and just feel anger towards you? 518 00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:33,764 And nothing good comes from anger, you can see that. 519 00:42:40,266 --> 00:42:43,976 I do believe that Bryan is a murderer. 520 00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:49,153 If he thought logically and had a real problem 521 00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:52,485 there was nothing stopping him from getting up and leaving the apartment. 522 00:42:52,612 --> 00:42:56,952 And he had time to get up, lean over the couch and grab the gun. 523 00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:00,243 In that same amount of time, he could have easily walked out the door and left. 524 00:43:01,913 --> 00:43:06,253 He said that it was for the safety of Braydon, 525 00:43:06,334 --> 00:43:10,134 but I lived there and I know mom wouldn't hurt a hair on the child, 526 00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:13,133 she loved him just as much as she loved me. It was her child. 527 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,350 When mom and Bryan first got married, 528 00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:23,853 she came to me and asked if it was okay that she married him. 529 00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:26,472 You know, I said, "okay, I want you to be happy, mom." 530 00:43:28,523 --> 00:43:31,073 But I guess that's a decision I kinda regret now. 531 00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:39,735 Gwen: I want people to know that chandra was a good mother. 532 00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:41,447 She loved her kids. 533 00:43:42,995 --> 00:43:46,035 Anything they wanted, she tried her best to see, that they got it. 534 00:43:47,208 --> 00:43:49,288 I don't think any length of time will do justice. 535 00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:52,459 Because there's nothing that's gonna bring her back. 536 00:44:02,223 --> 00:44:07,233 I haven't seen him since February the 1st, 2019. 537 00:44:09,313 --> 00:44:10,313 I miss him... 538 00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:13,358 quite a bit. 539 00:44:13,776 --> 00:44:18,486 And just want the day to finally come and see him in person 540 00:44:18,614 --> 00:44:22,294 rather than only talk with him on the phone. 541 00:44:28,416 --> 00:44:29,956 Oh, I cry sometimes. 542 00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:39,010 Never was a crier out in public, but I've done a lot of crying through all of this. 543 00:44:49,854 --> 00:44:50,904 (Bryan speaking) 544 00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:26,466 So, I've got a crazy cousin. That takes care of my dad. 545 00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:31,850 She drives a black Toyota or Nissan, 546 00:45:32,939 --> 00:45:37,029 anyway, she got in front of me in the semi and then started hitting her brakes, 547 00:45:37,193 --> 00:45:41,663 coming back closer and closer so that I could see her license plate. 548 00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:49,580 She got a personalized license plates that says, "u r guilty." 549 00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:55,415 And, when is this ever gonna end? 550 00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:01,630 It's never gonna end until the law enforcement 551 00:46:03,052 --> 00:46:06,102 decides to investigate the correct people. 552 00:46:07,014 --> 00:46:09,234 That's when it will start to end. 553 00:46:10,977 --> 00:46:13,347 But until then, it ain't never going to end. 554 00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:18,530 My mom will sit there and be a cold case. Forever. 555 00:46:45,678 --> 00:46:50,468 So, we know what the Iowa supreme court did back in march when it made its ruling. 556 00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:53,600 With that, we did ask them to reconsider their order. 557 00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:56,015 But the supreme court is the supreme court, 558 00:46:56,188 --> 00:47:00,278 and that's the end of the line for the issues that we have in front of them. 559 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:04,068 But not necessarily the end of the road entirely. 560 00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:05,756 Have you guys heard anything in the news 561 00:47:05,781 --> 00:47:08,411 about the establishment of a cold case division? 562 00:47:09,035 --> 00:47:10,115 - No. - No. 563 00:47:10,536 --> 00:47:11,536 Okay, so... 564 00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:15,538 Recently the Iowa senate passed this legislation 565 00:47:15,708 --> 00:47:18,338 that would establish a cold case division. 566 00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:25,184 What we would essentially do is put together our case for them. 567 00:47:38,981 --> 00:47:41,321 Now we get to put evidence in the hands of law enforcement 568 00:47:42,068 --> 00:47:45,488 that's really looking for an answer. 569 00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:48,703 That's the thing. I mean, this information came from law enforcement. 570 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:49,886 It's hard to trust anyone. 571 00:47:49,909 --> 00:47:52,159 Yeah, but we can put it together for somebody new. 572 00:47:52,244 --> 00:47:54,504 I know. Look, I get it. I feel the same way. 573 00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:58,167 - But they have resources, right? - What other choice do we have? 574 00:47:58,793 --> 00:48:02,133 And I know that we've had bad experiences with bad law enforcement officers, 575 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:03,973 - but there are good ones out there. - Mm-hmm. 576 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:07,336 And I really think somebody who wants to be in a cold case division, 577 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:10,600 those are people who will want to bring peace to families who want 578 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,969 to find justice for people, and they won't have had 579 00:48:14,058 --> 00:48:16,388 anything to do with the case so far. 580 00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:25,105 I think it was disheartening for all of us to find out 581 00:48:25,194 --> 00:48:27,154 that it was a closed investigation. 582 00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:28,993 We're trying to reopen it. 583 00:48:29,198 --> 00:48:30,828 - Seriously? - Yeah. 584 00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:32,328 That is amazing. 585 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,771 - That's exciting. - That's great. 586 00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:46,165 Alison: We're going to do what law enforcement failed to do during 587 00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:47,630 their investigation. 588 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,100 Because whoever killed Shirley Carter did it brutally. 589 00:48:51,887 --> 00:48:56,017 If we dig back through this step by step, there is a story that we can put 590 00:48:56,142 --> 00:49:00,102 together that's based on evidence, that's based on witness testimony. 591 00:49:00,187 --> 00:49:03,897 That shows what we believe could have happened to Shirley Carter. 592 00:49:17,746 --> 00:49:23,586 From the very start, Mark ludwick and my father-in-law 593 00:49:24,003 --> 00:49:28,303 made this case a trial in the eyes of the public, 594 00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:34,465 and right away there were so many people who were so quick to judge, 595 00:49:34,555 --> 00:49:38,385 it just made going to town sometimes almost unbearable. 596 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:43,399 Shelly: Mark ludwick put us through hell, 597 00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:46,942 based on absolutely nothing but a feeling. 598 00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:51,824 I mean, this will never be made right. 599 00:49:53,282 --> 00:50:00,002 Shirley was taken from us. Her legacy, her family has been destroyed 600 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,630 and the people that did this walk out there today. 601 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:10,836 Someone do your job. And give our family a little peace. 602 00:50:18,307 --> 00:50:22,977 So these are all people whose names have come up over and over again 603 00:50:23,062 --> 00:50:28,152 in different reports as people had information about who was involved in 604 00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:30,489 the murder of Shirley Carter. 605 00:50:37,743 --> 00:50:42,083 So who's the first person that approached law enforcement with 606 00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:44,576 variations of this fact pattern? 607 00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:47,588 And I think that was (bleep), wasn't it? 608 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:50,460 - Yeah. - I have his audio. 609 00:50:51,006 --> 00:50:55,336 (Joe speaking) 610 00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:24,422 At the point when he said, 611 00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:26,330 - "shot her twice..." - That's what I was 612 00:51:26,458 --> 00:51:27,628 just about to say. 613 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:29,810 - That wasn't in the news. - That wasn't public information. 614 00:51:29,837 --> 00:51:31,507 - That wasn't public at all. - No. 615 00:51:32,006 --> 00:51:32,796 Alison: There's nowhere 616 00:51:32,965 --> 00:51:34,755 that he could have got that information 617 00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:36,175 except for, 618 00:51:36,969 --> 00:51:37,969 somebody who was there 619 00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:39,814 or being there himself. 620 00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:41,970 And when there's all this discussion 621 00:51:42,099 --> 00:51:43,269 about rumors and things, 622 00:51:43,851 --> 00:51:45,481 that's come up a couple of times, 623 00:51:45,644 --> 00:51:47,024 but this is the earliest time. 624 00:51:47,187 --> 00:51:48,647 - That it came up. - Right. 625 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,893 Alison: Right let's see if there's anything else here. 626 00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:00,489 Shelly: We're just so very thankful 627 00:52:00,618 --> 00:52:02,368 I mean, to be honest, we're overwhelmed, 628 00:52:02,703 --> 00:52:04,203 but in such a good way 629 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:06,831 that someone's actually investigating. 630 00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:08,960 Jason: A lot of attorneys, 631 00:52:09,752 --> 00:52:12,212 yeah, after I was acquitted would have said, 632 00:52:12,338 --> 00:52:14,628 you know, "good luck." 633 00:52:15,883 --> 00:52:18,683 But, man, I tell you what, 634 00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:21,391 they have stuck behind us 635 00:52:21,513 --> 00:52:22,513 through and through. 636 00:52:22,931 --> 00:52:25,231 You know, how do you tell somebody, 637 00:52:27,019 --> 00:52:29,439 you can never tell them thank you enough. 638 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,300 Christine: Okay, do you think anyone 639 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,110 brings this together more than (bleep)? 640 00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:38,819 No, uh, 641 00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:41,577 I remember the day that I read her report. 642 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,620 I remember the day that we listened to her audio. 643 00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:45,619 It was one of the only times 644 00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:47,504 in this case where I felt like, 645 00:52:48,499 --> 00:52:49,929 we were getting close to figuring out 646 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:52,038 what had actually happened to Shirley. 647 00:53:09,019 --> 00:53:11,899 (Sheriff kious speaking) 648 00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:19,244 (Charity speaking) 649 00:53:23,617 --> 00:53:25,867 (Charity speaking) 650 00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:27,597 Reed kious: Joe said, he did it? 651 00:53:27,621 --> 00:53:29,581 (Charity speaking) 652 00:53:29,707 --> 00:53:33,877 - (Reed kious speaking) - (Charity speaking) 653 00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:02,739 (Continues speaking) 654 00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:45,824 - Katie... - Yes, sir. 655 00:54:45,991 --> 00:54:49,541 If you would please dial the warden secretary and, uh, 656 00:54:49,828 --> 00:54:51,908 see if you can set up an appointment 657 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,329 in person, meeting with angel's office this week. 658 00:54:55,501 --> 00:54:57,591 - Yes, sir. I'll get on it. - Thank you. 659 00:55:03,509 --> 00:55:07,969 I didn't try the case, but I came in later for the appeal. 660 00:55:09,348 --> 00:55:12,138 Worked at a number of convictions that were overturned before, 661 00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:15,096 in Tennessee as well as in Mississippi. 662 00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:20,280 When I looked at this case, 663 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,660 the first thing I said was that does not add up. 664 00:55:26,782 --> 00:55:29,412 It made me want to look further into this case 665 00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:32,700 to see how in the world an eighth grader 666 00:55:32,830 --> 00:55:35,750 was charged with such a heinous crime. 667 00:55:37,793 --> 00:55:42,013 It seemed like there were a lot of, um, 668 00:55:44,049 --> 00:55:47,799 a lot of tenuous connections of angel 669 00:55:48,136 --> 00:55:50,886 to this crime scene and to the people involved. 670 00:55:56,186 --> 00:56:00,896 Our goal is to get a new trial at the state level, 671 00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:02,481 from this court, 672 00:56:02,568 --> 00:56:06,278 so I want to able to present the best case to this judge 673 00:56:06,405 --> 00:56:07,905 that I can 674 00:56:08,532 --> 00:56:10,492 to get angel bumpass a new trial. 675 00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,079 Or have the case dismissed. 676 00:56:15,122 --> 00:56:18,962 So when you're on appeal, what you're appealing are errors 677 00:56:19,209 --> 00:56:20,249 of law. 678 00:56:21,879 --> 00:56:26,969 For example, the detective that was the lead detective on the case 679 00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:31,349 went out to interview Shirley and he said 680 00:56:31,555 --> 00:56:34,465 she had called Franklin bonner 681 00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:38,350 the day of his death or I assume, before his death, 682 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,860 and arranged to come over to his home and had gone there. 683 00:56:44,443 --> 00:56:48,323 Of course, there's no statement about angel being involved at all, 684 00:56:48,572 --> 00:56:50,412 according to the detective. 685 00:56:51,283 --> 00:56:53,793 And the connections made in the state's argument 686 00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:58,041 because angel lived with Shirley. 687 00:56:59,708 --> 00:57:05,128 To me, that was a tenuous connection, it wasn't a strong connection at all. 688 00:57:08,258 --> 00:57:12,348 What the case should be is, did the state 689 00:57:12,512 --> 00:57:15,352 prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt? 690 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:20,460 That's something we have to look at, and that's an issue 691 00:57:20,479 --> 00:57:23,439 that we will raise on this motion for new trial. 692 00:57:26,234 --> 00:57:30,284 Uh, unfortunately, the motion for a new trial ran into covid. 693 00:57:31,698 --> 00:57:35,738 What's holding up the filing of this motion at this time 694 00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:39,039 is being able to sit down face to face 695 00:57:39,331 --> 00:57:42,331 and go over each one of these issues 696 00:57:42,668 --> 00:57:44,498 with angel bumpass. 697 00:57:45,128 --> 00:57:49,008 And I've not yet been able to get the warden's okay 698 00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:52,432 to come up and conduct a visit with her. 699 00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:57,058 Hopefully that will be done asap. 700 00:57:58,016 --> 00:58:00,186 She's ready to get her motion for the new trial heard 701 00:58:00,352 --> 00:58:04,942 and I certainly am too. I know the judges and the state as well. 702 00:58:12,197 --> 00:58:14,777 Our goal in this case is a dismissal. 703 00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:16,325 That's our goal. 704 00:58:18,286 --> 00:58:21,616 We want to send angel home to her children. 705 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,171 She has missed those children terribly. 706 00:58:43,437 --> 00:58:45,147 So we should probably go over timeline. 707 00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:54,910 Alison: We know, 708 00:58:55,032 --> 00:58:57,282 Jason arrived at the Carter home, 709 00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:58,954 we think. 710 00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:00,826 The earliest possible time 711 00:59:00,954 --> 00:59:03,424 would have been like 11:02, 11:03... 712 00:59:11,923 --> 00:59:13,283 -So the question is, -Christine: Mm-hm. 713 00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:16,300 What happened between 9.00 am and 11:00 am 714 00:59:16,428 --> 00:59:18,428 when Jason arrived on the scene? 715 00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:34,705 Scott: The house coming up 716 00:59:34,738 --> 00:59:36,658 would be Billy Carter's house. 717 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,330 This is where the murder happened. 718 00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:50,548 Jason's one of the harder cases to work. 719 00:59:50,879 --> 00:59:52,259 It's easy to defend a criminal 720 00:59:53,006 --> 00:59:54,006 or a guilty person 721 00:59:54,091 --> 00:59:55,151 because you just want to make sure 722 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:57,045 they get a good, fair trial. 723 00:59:57,969 --> 00:59:59,429 But when you know someone's innocent, 724 01:00:00,347 --> 01:00:02,017 that puts a lot more pressure on you. 725 01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:15,391 Scott: During the course of trial 726 01:00:15,862 --> 01:00:17,282 uh, we got dumped on 727 01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:19,698 all this new evidence. 728 01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:21,373 So we were going through 729 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,320 and through the course of it, 730 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:25,120 there's always this mysterious vehicle 731 01:00:25,247 --> 01:00:26,917 that was cited by neighbors 732 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,630 and people in this area. 733 01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:31,289 But we didn't have any defining 734 01:00:33,004 --> 01:00:34,134 evidence who that was 735 01:00:34,214 --> 01:00:35,724 or what that vehicle was? 736 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,637 Scott: Johnson gave me some really good information. 737 01:00:49,062 --> 01:00:51,062 I don't know what follow up was ever done on that. 738 01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:59,073 (Prosecutor speaking) 739 01:00:59,573 --> 01:01:02,743 (Both speaking) 740 01:01:42,365 --> 01:01:44,235 David Johnson is in many ways 741 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:46,537 - our most unbiased witness. - Yep. 742 01:01:47,495 --> 01:01:50,165 He's just not connected to anyone in any way. 743 01:01:50,457 --> 01:01:52,827 He's just a guy who saw what he saw. 744 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,789 - And has a good memory. - Yeah. 745 01:01:54,961 --> 01:01:57,461 Christine: Okay, let's pull the reports. 746 01:01:58,173 --> 01:02:00,763 Alison: So, David Johnson saw two vehicles 747 01:02:00,884 --> 01:02:01,974 um, 748 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:04,050 sometime between ten and ten thirty 749 01:02:04,179 --> 01:02:05,259 in the morning that day. 750 01:02:06,348 --> 01:02:07,638 The blue car waiting 751 01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,734 just down the road from the Carter home. 752 01:02:12,103 --> 01:02:14,483 And then also a red dodge pickup truck 753 01:02:15,148 --> 01:02:17,108 um, driving at a high rate of speed 754 01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:18,824 with tinted windows. 755 01:02:28,036 --> 01:02:29,826 We did hear a report 756 01:02:29,955 --> 01:02:31,515 from someone else talking about a truck. 757 01:02:43,677 --> 01:02:44,677 (Krista speaking) 758 01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,096 (Ludwick speaking) 759 01:02:52,686 --> 01:02:53,686 (Krista speaking) 760 01:03:13,206 --> 01:03:18,586 I certainly didn't know that Christine (bleep) Had a red (bleep) Pickup truck. 761 01:03:19,379 --> 01:03:22,469 It's definitely something that I would want to investigate. 762 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:24,300 I mean, it could lead to something else, 763 01:03:24,384 --> 01:03:26,514 especially if her truck has tinted windows. 764 01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:29,679 Okay. 765 01:03:40,025 --> 01:03:44,645 Hello. Hey, would you be willing to get a vehicle history for me? 766 01:03:45,697 --> 01:03:49,447 - So let's see what we can find. - (Keyboard clacking) 767 01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:54,542 I've jumped on quartz online. 768 01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,213 So now we have the plate number, 769 01:03:59,336 --> 01:04:04,086 ticket was issued to (Bleep), back in 2015. 770 01:04:05,008 --> 01:04:08,048 And the vehicle description was a red dodge ram. 771 01:04:08,345 --> 01:04:11,305 We found the vehicle was owned by (bleep). 772 01:04:12,098 --> 01:04:15,138 We know that (bleep) Had access to the vehicle even though 773 01:04:15,352 --> 01:04:16,692 she wasn't the owner. 774 01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,933 Because she got picked up with the traffic violation. 775 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:21,480 As a matter of fact she was driving without a license. 776 01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:25,989 We're gonna jump up on Google maps 777 01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:29,412 and just see what the map shows. 778 01:04:37,207 --> 01:04:39,207 Down the street view. 779 01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:43,206 Just have a look at this area. 780 01:04:43,838 --> 01:04:45,468 (Phone ringing) 781 01:04:46,383 --> 01:04:47,903 - Allison: Hi, Scott. - Scott: Can you hear me? 782 01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:49,046 We can hear ya. 783 01:04:49,386 --> 01:04:50,986 - So what do you know? - (Scott speaking) 784 01:04:56,059 --> 01:04:57,689 Okay. 785 01:05:01,815 --> 01:05:07,485 Christine: Oh! 786 01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:16,003 Scott says that this is from 2013 787 01:05:16,121 --> 01:05:18,791 outside (bleep) House. 788 01:05:19,624 --> 01:05:23,464 It's a red dodge ram, and it has tinted windows. 789 01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:25,513 (Speaking) 790 01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:38,386 So she was driving a red dodge ram 791 01:05:38,518 --> 01:05:39,768 around the time of the murder, 792 01:05:39,853 --> 01:05:42,193 but now we have an image of what we think... 793 01:05:42,313 --> 01:05:43,653 I think is reasonable to say that 794 01:05:43,731 --> 01:05:45,231 that probably is the red dodge ram 795 01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:46,728 because we know that's (bleep). 796 01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:48,380 We know it's in front of his apartment. 797 01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:50,335 - Christine: Yeah. - Allison: And physically, 798 01:05:50,363 --> 01:05:52,703 it seems to match the descriptions that we've seen 799 01:06:00,165 --> 01:06:01,995 Whoever murdered Shirley 800 01:06:02,375 --> 01:06:05,335 could possibly and even likely 801 01:06:05,462 --> 01:06:09,672 have gotten some DNA from Shirley on onto them. 802 01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:11,680 If they then got into this truck, 803 01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:15,391 like maybe even just a little bit of blood or hair or whatever. 804 01:06:16,389 --> 01:06:17,889 Christine: Yeah. 805 01:06:18,016 --> 01:06:20,486 I mean, the chances of it still being there at this point, I don't know, 806 01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:21,978 but I mean, blood lasts a long time. 807 01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:23,561 If they... If they could find that, 808 01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:26,285 it would be interesting to have the truck forensically examined, 809 01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:27,436 I guess, is what I'm saying. 810 01:06:37,827 --> 01:06:39,497 Jason: This whole things a bad nightmare, 811 01:06:39,913 --> 01:06:44,503 you just expect to wake up from it, then you realize you are awake. 812 01:06:51,382 --> 01:06:54,472 (Speaking) 813 01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:18,535 Roland and Perry was a father and son. 814 01:07:18,952 --> 01:07:21,962 Roland was killed at the scene, he was about 80 years old, 815 01:07:22,455 --> 01:07:26,035 and then Perry's still alive today, but he's hurt very bad. 816 01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:39,760 My client is accused of crossing over the double yellow line 817 01:07:40,181 --> 01:07:43,771 and causing a head on collision, and the reason they say he crossed the line 818 01:07:44,018 --> 01:07:46,808 is because he was using his cellphone 819 01:07:56,864 --> 01:08:00,544 Jason: To be accused feels unfair. 820 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:05,077 Worst case scenario, I end up going to prison 821 01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:09,878 the charges against Jason mccombs were of course very serious, 822 01:08:10,003 --> 01:08:13,133 they would have likely ended his life because he would have 823 01:08:13,298 --> 01:08:16,048 gone to prison for many decades. 824 01:08:16,175 --> 01:08:19,505 Austin: If there jury were to come back and put you in prison, 825 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:23,769 then would pick a number, somewhere between 2 and 20 years. 826 01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:33,404 The hardest person to represent is a person who did nothing wrong, 827 01:08:33,735 --> 01:08:37,105 because there is no plea bargaining, no negotiating, 828 01:08:37,572 --> 01:08:42,622 the only thing is to go to a jury trial and try to get a not guilty. 829 01:08:59,636 --> 01:09:02,006 I can't thank you enough man. 830 01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:10,230 I feel like mount Everest has just been taken off my back. 831 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:17,145 I haven't felt this way, since all this trial stuff started, since the arrest. 832 01:09:21,032 --> 01:09:25,242 Nobody won in that jury trial. The only thing that happened 833 01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:29,040 was a man did not go to prison for something he didn't do. 834 01:09:30,875 --> 01:09:34,375 Putting your life, your outcome through 12 strangers hands, 835 01:09:34,921 --> 01:09:40,801 is the most terrifying thing anybody could ever go through. 836 01:09:41,719 --> 01:09:44,509 By god's grace I never have to go through that again 837 01:09:53,106 --> 01:09:56,566 I don't think there's ever gonna be anything that's gonna remove 838 01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:58,653 any of the guilt that Jason feels, 839 01:09:58,736 --> 01:10:01,656 it's gonna be with him, he's gonna feel that guilt. 840 01:10:01,781 --> 01:10:03,831 It's part of who he is, 841 01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:06,735 and it'll probably be with him till the day he dies. 842 01:10:27,598 --> 01:10:33,098 (Speaking) 843 01:11:23,696 --> 01:11:25,236 - Mom? - Yes. 844 01:11:25,615 --> 01:11:27,365 - Hey, how are you? - I'm all right. 845 01:11:32,205 --> 01:11:36,625 Evelyn: I felt like he'd go in there and serve his time, get out, 846 01:11:36,959 --> 01:11:40,299 and it would be okay but that's not the way it's been. 847 01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:43,545 I know you're ready to get him home, for sure. 848 01:11:43,925 --> 01:11:46,005 One problem after another. 849 01:11:46,219 --> 01:11:48,849 One hill to climb, daily. 850 01:11:51,057 --> 01:11:53,307 It just gets frustrating after a while. 851 01:11:54,101 --> 01:11:56,901 I use the help of the lord to have hope, 852 01:11:57,396 --> 01:12:00,776 to get me through the day and start another day. 853 01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:05,324 All right. 854 01:12:05,988 --> 01:12:08,658 We can support him that way by just encouraging him... 855 01:12:08,866 --> 01:12:10,486 I know it's hard for you, mama. 856 01:12:10,618 --> 01:12:14,208 I know, it is. It's not easy. Not easy. 857 01:12:18,125 --> 01:12:24,125 (Bryan speaking) 858 01:13:15,683 --> 01:13:17,643 This event has affected my life 859 01:13:17,768 --> 01:13:19,348 and my mother's life quite a bit. 860 01:13:20,855 --> 01:13:23,565 (Nicky crying) Just let me cry up here. (Sniffles) 861 01:13:24,525 --> 01:13:26,815 When you would, you know, walk into the grocery store, 862 01:13:26,986 --> 01:13:29,156 you see people pointing and people whispering 863 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,820 and you hear conversations that get back to you 864 01:13:31,991 --> 01:13:33,991 about what things have been said behind your back 865 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,330 and what things have been said about your brother, 866 01:13:36,454 --> 01:13:38,584 I mean, and about your family. 867 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,420 - Bye, mama. - Bye-bye. 868 01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:42,246 - Love you. - Love you too. 869 01:13:45,671 --> 01:13:49,591 There's always going to be that reminder here that, you know, 870 01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:52,425 my brother was convicted of what he was 871 01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:55,221 and it's just, it's going to be nice to start over 872 01:13:55,348 --> 01:13:57,848 in a place where nobody knows me and get a fresh start. 873 01:13:58,517 --> 01:14:00,387 I'm sad leaving mom, um, 874 01:14:01,187 --> 01:14:02,607 mom's not getting any younger, 875 01:14:02,688 --> 01:14:06,318 but I feel like it's something I have to do for myself. 876 01:14:08,069 --> 01:14:10,699 She's going to be far away 877 01:14:11,238 --> 01:14:16,078 and I just have to have hope and move on that things will be better. 878 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:38,679 Braydon, we're going to Nana's house. 879 01:14:38,891 --> 01:14:40,811 I'm ready to go to Nana's house. 880 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:59,286 She loves Braydon just as much as I love Braydon, 881 01:14:59,370 --> 01:15:02,000 and he loves her too. That's his Nana. 882 01:15:02,581 --> 01:15:04,791 Give me a big hug. (Laughs) 883 01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:07,287 Don't mind my hug. (Kisses) 884 01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:08,500 (Sighs) 885 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:14,303 - I need a flat piece. - A flat piece. 886 01:15:14,927 --> 01:15:16,737 I'm sure there's a lot of people don't understand 887 01:15:16,762 --> 01:15:18,972 why we get along... 888 01:15:19,098 --> 01:15:20,268 You know, I don't even care. 889 01:15:20,349 --> 01:15:22,159 - I don't care what they think. - It don't matter. 890 01:15:22,184 --> 01:15:23,984 Avenger. 891 01:15:24,937 --> 01:15:27,147 I think we do it for Braydon 892 01:15:27,523 --> 01:15:29,613 and that we want him to have the best life 893 01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:31,324 and we just... Why not? 894 01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:33,315 That's the way you treat everybody. 895 01:15:33,487 --> 01:15:35,237 Kind, loving, respectful. 896 01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:38,010 - Gwen: That's the way I want him to grow up too. - Evelyn: Yeah. 897 01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:40,144 I don't want him to grow up with bitterness and anger and hatred 898 01:15:40,161 --> 01:15:42,501 and, you know, all of it. 899 01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:44,920 - So I don't want him to grow up like that. - No. 900 01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:47,659 That's not a good life and there's too much of that now. 901 01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:50,002 I can't imagine a life without him. 902 01:15:50,129 --> 01:15:52,009 - I miss him when he's over here. - Oh, yeah. 903 01:15:52,131 --> 01:15:54,261 You wonder what he's doing, where he's going. 904 01:15:54,842 --> 01:15:57,472 But I don't worry about his safety or anything when he's over here. 905 01:15:57,595 --> 01:15:59,595 I know he's taken care of. 906 01:16:00,056 --> 01:16:02,136 I just do the best with him. 907 01:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,734 When Bryan is released from prison 908 01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:08,437 and Braydon gets old enough, 909 01:16:09,982 --> 01:16:12,152 that he starts asking and wants to see him, 910 01:16:12,276 --> 01:16:13,496 I'm not gonna stop him from seeing him 911 01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:16,197 because I... I don't think that would be good. 912 01:16:19,033 --> 01:16:21,703 (Bryan speaking) 913 01:17:05,788 --> 01:17:08,918 Me and that accusation don't go in the same sentence. 914 01:17:09,834 --> 01:17:12,964 It destroys me as a mother, it destroys me as a human being. 915 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:24,640 (Speaking) 916 01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:44,328 To think that somebody would accuse me of wanting to hurt my son, 917 01:17:44,535 --> 01:17:47,245 and oh my god this kills me. 918 01:17:56,839 --> 01:18:01,549 We have to take such an aggressive plan to defeat this. 919 01:18:02,428 --> 01:18:06,428 I don't see the evidence to convict her, I do not. 920 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,569 We tore up the doctors, not a single doctor got on the stand 921 01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:21,453 and said she said he was in pain, and that's a lie. 922 01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:34,213 They have not brought forth any credible evidence 923 01:18:34,335 --> 01:18:35,955 to convict danita. 924 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:39,045 She should be found not guilty so fast. 925 01:18:39,673 --> 01:18:41,093 And that's what haunts me. 926 01:18:54,813 --> 01:18:56,193 (Speaking) 927 01:19:07,534 --> 01:19:08,534 We will do that. 928 01:19:35,771 --> 01:19:38,731 No cuddles at night? No story time? 929 01:19:39,108 --> 01:19:40,648 No life at all. 930 01:19:41,277 --> 01:19:44,277 For what? For something I didn't even do. 931 01:20:16,603 --> 01:20:19,233 Nate: We received the cell tower data 932 01:20:19,356 --> 01:20:21,066 through discovery from the state, 933 01:20:21,525 --> 01:20:24,355 and what they did is they amassed a data dump 934 01:20:24,862 --> 01:20:27,072 from all the cell phone towers in the area. 935 01:20:27,531 --> 01:20:30,701 So they just collect the numbers and the date and time 936 01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:32,746 that the phone calls were placed back and forth. 937 01:20:38,876 --> 01:20:41,626 The data dump that we received was for the day in question. 938 01:20:41,754 --> 01:20:43,804 So June, 19th of 2015. 939 01:20:44,173 --> 01:20:48,843 So we had, Tory from our team 940 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:53,349 pull phone numbers from the financial affidavits for these individuals, 941 01:20:54,641 --> 01:20:57,141 and the search hits right here. 942 01:20:57,644 --> 01:21:01,154 So you follow that over, six, nineteen, date of the murder, 943 01:21:01,315 --> 01:21:02,815 9:36 a. M. 944 01:21:03,609 --> 01:21:07,859 So this phone number called phone associated with (bleep). 945 01:21:09,031 --> 01:21:11,701 It bounced off the closest tower to (indistinct) 946 01:21:12,493 --> 01:21:14,503 Actually, this tower right here, 947 01:21:20,459 --> 01:21:25,509 So at 9:36 in the morning, morning of the murder, 948 01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:29,640 phone pinged off of that tower. 949 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,010 And this is hard evidence, right? 950 01:21:33,138 --> 01:21:36,348 As opposed to, you know, rumors, hearsay, whatever. 951 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:40,192 We know for a fact that they received calls or made calls 952 01:21:40,354 --> 01:21:43,024 - within that time frame right near the Carter home. - Yeah. 953 01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:02,459 I don't know what alli's got, as far as... 954 01:22:02,918 --> 01:22:06,048 I don't know what she's got. Or gonna tell us. 955 01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:13,853 All right, so Christine and I have been talking through your case, 956 01:22:13,971 --> 01:22:15,811 looking at it from a totally different angle, 957 01:22:15,973 --> 01:22:17,983 from the way that we looked at it three years ago. 958 01:22:22,604 --> 01:22:25,904 We have individuals who have knowledge 959 01:22:26,024 --> 01:22:28,364 before anything was publicized. 960 01:22:28,527 --> 01:22:32,607 We have multiple reports of this red pickup. 961 01:22:33,198 --> 01:22:35,738 They thought it was a dodge. 962 01:22:35,868 --> 01:22:37,198 - Yes. - Mm-hmm. 963 01:22:37,619 --> 01:22:39,619 - Driving at high rates of speed in the area. - Yes. 964 01:22:39,872 --> 01:22:42,122 Do you remember (bleep) Name? 965 01:22:42,207 --> 01:22:43,627 Yes. 966 01:22:43,917 --> 01:22:45,037 She's part of that crowd. 967 01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:49,589 So apparently, (bleep) Drives a red dodge pickup truck. 968 01:22:51,842 --> 01:22:56,312 We have a cell tower reports placing people who are 969 01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:58,430 reported to be involved in the area. 970 01:22:58,515 --> 01:23:01,975 We're starting to put things together and say, ok, these are the pieces 971 01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:05,652 that we've got corroboration for, some of which we have hard evidence for. 972 01:23:06,273 --> 01:23:08,543 And a lot of the stuff I feel like is still tip of the iceberg. 973 01:23:08,567 --> 01:23:12,487 I mean, this is stuff that we've managed to find in the last two weeks 974 01:23:13,697 --> 01:23:17,157 -but, you know, probably the sickest part is -(Jason scoffs) 975 01:23:17,326 --> 01:23:21,036 Had they just done their job, the people that had done this, 976 01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:23,370 - that have done this... - Would be in jail. 977 01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:26,102 - Would be in jail for the rest of their life. - And for years now. 978 01:23:26,126 --> 01:23:28,956 - Do you have anything uplifting? - (Laughs) 979 01:23:29,963 --> 01:23:33,093 I think actually the uplifting part of this is that 980 01:23:33,175 --> 01:23:35,465 everybody keeps saying this is hearsay, this is rumors, 981 01:23:35,552 --> 01:23:37,352 this is, you know not reliable, well fine. 982 01:23:37,513 --> 01:23:41,233 We do have some things that do tie these people to the scene of the crime. 983 01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:44,690 We've already established a few more connections that we didn't make before 984 01:23:44,811 --> 01:23:46,521 and I think we're going to keep doing that. 985 01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:48,402 The reality is, 986 01:23:48,524 --> 01:23:50,654 if we could get all the way over 987 01:23:51,026 --> 01:23:54,986 -to we can prove who fired those shots, -mm-hmm. 988 01:23:55,155 --> 01:23:59,115 That's gonna come back and help us with everything else along the way. 989 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:00,868 Um, 990 01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:04,747 I couldn't thank you guys enough. 991 01:24:08,168 --> 01:24:12,758 The Iowa supreme court ruling makes it difficult but all hope is not lost. 992 01:24:13,298 --> 01:24:17,048 We're going to keep fighting until Jason tells us not to 993 01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:19,446 and I don't know that that day is ever going to come. 994 01:24:19,471 --> 01:24:26,021 Jason is angry about what happened to him, um, he's tired, too, 995 01:24:26,478 --> 01:24:28,858 but mostly he seems to be driven by 996 01:24:29,022 --> 01:24:32,152 not wanting to see this happen to anybody else ever again. 997 01:24:32,859 --> 01:24:36,279 Um, and I think he's pretty courageous 998 01:24:36,363 --> 01:24:37,573 to keep fighting like this. 999 01:24:57,634 --> 01:25:01,184 I'm really humbled by what they're doing for us. 1000 01:25:01,513 --> 01:25:05,023 It'd be hard to... Hard to... 1001 01:25:12,524 --> 01:25:13,734 (Sniffles) 1002 01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:19,530 (Choking up) I miss... I miss my mom.