1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,425 --> 00:00:09,968 [steps approaching] 4 00:00:12,512 --> 00:00:13,638 [Estevan] Um... 5 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:18,435 I'm making this movie because, uh... 6 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:21,146 Which way you want me to look? 7 00:00:21,229 --> 00:00:22,522 -[producer] Right here. -Okay. 8 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:25,525 I'm basically making this movie 9 00:00:25,608 --> 00:00:29,279 because I have 25 years 10 00:00:29,362 --> 00:00:33,533 of footage and photos of me and Cartoon's... 11 00:00:34,576 --> 00:00:36,494 I guess, uh, journey in life, 12 00:00:36,578 --> 00:00:39,789 and all the movement that we've... 13 00:00:41,291 --> 00:00:42,292 Wait, let me see. 14 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:43,918 ["Juice" by Eric B and Rakim playing] 15 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:46,421 If you ain't got tatted by Cartoon, you ain't got no tat. 16 00:00:46,504 --> 00:00:48,965 If you ain't get shot by Estevan, you got a weak photographer. 17 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:50,592 [camera shutter clicks] 18 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:52,510 {\an8}[hip-hop music playing] 19 00:00:52,594 --> 00:00:55,305 {\an8}You can't tell the story of Estevan without telling the story of Cartoon. 20 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:56,890 You know Toons, then you know Estev. 21 00:00:56,973 --> 00:00:58,141 They are LA. 22 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:01,895 Premier representatives of that Los Angeles culture. 23 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:03,605 Like, the pioneers. 24 00:01:03,688 --> 00:01:06,232 Not just pioneers, I mean, I think they're historians. 25 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:09,027 Storytellers, they're the image-makers. The chroniclers. 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,864 When you say LA tattoo artists, you can't not mention Mister Cartoon. 27 00:01:15,867 --> 00:01:17,410 Nobody does art like Cartoon. 28 00:01:17,494 --> 00:01:20,872 When you look at a Mister Cartoon tattoo, you know that's Mister Cartoon. 29 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:22,415 Everybody knows Mister Cartoon. 30 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:23,958 {\an8}The hip-hop tattoo artist. 31 00:01:24,042 --> 00:01:27,212 Man, you got tatted by Toons, it's, like, a level of respect. 32 00:01:27,295 --> 00:01:28,171 Cartoon, baby. 33 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:29,881 -My boy Cartoon. -Cartoon. 34 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:31,758 The world-famous Cartoon. 35 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:34,260 Everything Cartoon did, Estevan was there. 36 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:38,264 Estevan brings an authenticity that is matched by none other. 37 00:01:38,473 --> 00:01:40,225 Photographing gang members. 38 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:42,811 Capturing the whole culture and everything, man. 39 00:01:42,894 --> 00:01:47,190 Lowrider culture, tattoo culture, shots of Skid Row. 40 00:01:47,273 --> 00:01:49,234 [Wilmer] Leaving pieces of history behind. 41 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:50,985 -[George] These vatos... -[Snoop] They showed 42 00:01:51,069 --> 00:01:53,780 that you can do it the right way if you do it the right way. 43 00:01:53,863 --> 00:01:55,573 [George] They take pride in all of that. 44 00:01:55,698 --> 00:01:57,492 [Snoop] They paved the way for a lot of people. 45 00:01:57,575 --> 00:01:58,785 Even if they don't admit it. 46 00:01:58,868 --> 00:02:00,787 We couldn't have done it without these two guys. 47 00:02:00,870 --> 00:02:01,788 It's about courage. 48 00:02:01,871 --> 00:02:04,457 Just be true to who you are, and a lot of people are terrified 49 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:05,542 of being who they are. 50 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:07,418 That's one of the reasons they're so successful. 51 00:02:07,502 --> 00:02:10,922 They mean what they say and they say what they mean. 52 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:14,092 This is our thing, and we wanna bring this out to the world. 53 00:02:14,175 --> 00:02:15,260 LA's globalized. 54 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:18,263 They've joined forces, and they've been unstoppable ever since. 55 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:19,305 [hip-hop music playing] 56 00:02:23,059 --> 00:02:26,312 [birds chirping] 57 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,404 {\an8}[Cartoon] Coming from a Chicano, Mexican family, 58 00:02:34,612 --> 00:02:36,990 believing in God is standard issue. 59 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:39,409 I was formerly raised Catholic. 60 00:02:40,201 --> 00:02:44,330 I was told at a young age that I was gifted, I was blessed, 61 00:02:44,497 --> 00:02:45,915 I have a gift from God. 62 00:02:46,082 --> 00:02:49,002 And when you tell a kid that every day 63 00:02:49,085 --> 00:02:51,462 over and over and over, 64 00:02:51,546 --> 00:02:52,964 they start to believe it. 65 00:02:53,798 --> 00:02:56,009 So when my mom would ask me to clean the room, 66 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:57,510 {\an8}make my bed, I'd be like, 67 00:02:57,802 --> 00:03:01,806 {\an8}"I've been gifted from God. I'm not gonna make my bed. Come on." 68 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:05,268 {\an8}[slow music playing] 69 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:11,858 [Estevan] For me, work is happiness. Yeah, I love to work. 70 00:03:11,941 --> 00:03:14,402 I love doing photography. I love filming. 71 00:03:14,569 --> 00:03:17,697 {\an8}You know, when you say "work," that means you do something 72 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:21,075 {\an8}and you get paid, so, yeah, that means my bills can get paid, 73 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,328 and I can keep moving forward. 74 00:03:23,411 --> 00:03:25,538 -[girl] Daddy! -[Estevan] I'm not the best dad 75 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:26,956 or the best husband, 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,167 but I think I'm a good worker, 77 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:30,835 a good photographer, 78 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,004 and a pretty good friend. 79 00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:37,800 Nobody could say I'd done them wrong. If they do, they're a lying motherfucker. 80 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:40,553 [car horns honking] 81 00:03:40,678 --> 00:03:41,930 [Cartoon] If you focus, 82 00:03:42,013 --> 00:03:44,265 you could see shit off of your talent. 83 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:45,642 You could travel the world. 84 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:48,853 You could go to Europe and shit. Like, we've been all around the world. 85 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,814 You can buy a home for your family. 86 00:03:52,941 --> 00:03:54,192 [slow music playing] 87 00:03:58,071 --> 00:03:59,405 [birds chirping] 88 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:02,951 {\an8}[Estevan] Art was like I had to scratch an itch. 89 00:04:03,034 --> 00:04:04,202 I would see shit, 90 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:06,621 I would see a movie poster, 91 00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:10,583 or I would see something that made me wanna draw, 92 00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:15,046 and I would get this kind of anxiety that I had to draw, 93 00:04:15,129 --> 00:04:17,799 I had to draw every day. To let it go. 94 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:21,552 [Latin music playing] 95 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,267 [Yolanda] He was young, very young, like... four. 96 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:33,231 At that time, he was drawing nostrils, fingernails, earlobes, 97 00:04:33,314 --> 00:04:35,942 you know, things that kids drew with stick figures, 98 00:04:36,025 --> 00:04:39,320 {\an8}he was drawing, doing very intricate things. 99 00:04:39,862 --> 00:04:43,533 He was my first child, so I just thought I was the greatest mom 100 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:45,660 because he was so good, you know? 101 00:04:45,994 --> 00:04:47,954 [David] His mom was, "You're the best. 102 00:04:48,246 --> 00:04:50,707 You're amazing. You're the best artist in the world. 103 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:52,500 You're gonna grow up to be wonderful." 104 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:55,211 {\an8}And then, at some point, you just believe it. 105 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:01,134 When I was a kid, my father met this guy at the line at the bank. 106 00:05:01,217 --> 00:05:04,679 He says, "I'm in karate. I have a business, a karate business." 107 00:05:04,762 --> 00:05:05,972 My dad comes home and he goes, 108 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:08,099 "I got great news. You're going to martial arts school." 109 00:05:08,182 --> 00:05:10,560 I go, "I don't wanna do that." He goes, "Yeah." 110 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:12,103 Hey, I'm paying for that... 111 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:13,896 [chuckling] ...you're gonna go. 112 00:05:14,647 --> 00:05:18,860 When he first started, he was real shy, wouldn't talk to anybody. 113 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,529 But maybe about a year after karate, 114 00:05:21,612 --> 00:05:25,658 I would say that he was so confident that he'd walk straight up. 115 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:28,786 Going to the karate school introduced me 116 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:30,663 to the world of candy paint 117 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:35,293 {\an8}because the grand master of the school was also a custom car painter, 118 00:05:35,376 --> 00:05:38,755 so I learned all those things, you know, the murals, the candy paint, 119 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:41,466 respect, the flow of life. 120 00:05:41,674 --> 00:05:43,468 All these things kind of went in a circle. 121 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:44,469 It's crazy. 122 00:05:44,552 --> 00:05:48,181 [hip-hop music playing] 123 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:51,017 I'm Estevan Oriol. I'm a photographer and director. 124 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:51,976 Raised in LA. 125 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,646 I was born in Santa Monica at Saint John's Hospital. 126 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:56,856 [David] So you got Estevan. 127 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,567 Like, this tall cholo guy, 128 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:01,986 but then most people don't know he's half Italian. 129 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:05,406 [Estevan] My mom and dad were married up until I was about three. 130 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:08,576 And they split up, and it was me and my mom. 131 00:06:08,659 --> 00:06:10,286 To me, my mom was great. 132 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:13,581 We grew up on welfare, food stamps and Medi-Cal, 133 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:17,001 but she did her best to make it the best for me. 134 00:06:17,085 --> 00:06:18,920 Any time you have mixed-race children, 135 00:06:19,003 --> 00:06:23,091 they grow up a little bit confused though, "Am I this race or am I this race?" 136 00:06:23,174 --> 00:06:26,677 And at some point, you just gotta choose. He chose the Latino side. 137 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:28,262 I didn't even know it until years later. 138 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,140 [Estevan] My dad, he was kind of like a hippie. 139 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:34,394 He didn't give a shit about having a nice car and all that shit, 140 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,855 so that pushed me to strive for more. 141 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:39,774 That's what gave me my drive. 142 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:42,276 So after high school, I worked at a snack bar, 143 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,694 I worked on fishing boats, 144 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:44,946 supermarkets, 145 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:46,906 liquor store delivery. 146 00:06:46,989 --> 00:06:50,827 I always had, like, one, two, three jobs. 147 00:06:50,993 --> 00:06:53,621 [upbeat music playing] 148 00:06:53,704 --> 00:06:55,873 [video games beeping] 149 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:57,875 {\an8}[Cartoon] At the time, in the '80s, 150 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,294 {\an8}it was all about where do you fit in 151 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:01,504 in hip-hop. 152 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:04,340 Are you a breaker? Are you a rapper? 153 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:07,260 Are you a locker? Are you a writer? 154 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:10,430 {\an8}And I was like, "I love breakdancing, 155 00:07:10,513 --> 00:07:12,849 and all that shit," but I couldn't hang. 156 00:07:12,932 --> 00:07:14,517 But I could draw. 157 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,769 [Angel] Cartoon, uh, always had a marker 158 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:19,439 {\an8}or a can of spray paint with him all the time. 159 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:22,316 And wherever we were at, he'd hit up. 160 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:25,820 [Cartoon] 'Cause I was hip-hop. I had a b-boy side of me. 161 00:07:25,903 --> 00:07:30,658 It was, like, bombing, 3-Ds, fade. 162 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:35,997 {\an8}[Revok] You know, before the Cartoon that he's known for today, 163 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,874 {\an8}he was an awesome graffiti writer. 164 00:07:38,249 --> 00:07:42,378 He was from this crew WCA that was kind of legendary 165 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:43,921 and was really fucking good. 166 00:07:44,922 --> 00:07:47,550 [Risk] I go to probably late '80s with Cartoon. 167 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:49,093 He was "Flame" at the time. 168 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:51,804 {\an8}I thought I knew everybody. I was like, "Who the fuck is this?" 169 00:07:51,888 --> 00:07:54,015 And he had such a unique style, and was so different. 170 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:56,851 He hit and run. Like, I'd see a wall, and next day I was like, 171 00:07:56,934 --> 00:07:58,728 "Where did this come from? Who did it?" You know. 172 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:01,772 [Cartoon] I basically do graffiti everywhere I go. 173 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:08,988 It brought me a rush, like, you can go to jail for this shit. 174 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:13,451 {\an8}[tense music playing] 175 00:08:16,537 --> 00:08:19,832 [Yolanda] He put his name, "Flame," on the graffiti piece, 176 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,376 and, so, he was caught, you know, for doing that. 177 00:08:25,129 --> 00:08:26,964 [Angel] There was something different about him. 178 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:30,384 We had an idea that someday he was gonna do something, 179 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:33,804 that he was gonna go somewhere, he was gonna be something in life. 180 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:35,681 [Bob] It's like a work of art in there. 181 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,434 We were all proud of this, when he came out in the paper. 182 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:41,729 [Cartoon] I was just searching for my look, you know? 183 00:08:41,812 --> 00:08:43,606 What felt good and what felt real to me. 184 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,068 I went to LA Trade-Tech to learn Sign Graphics, 185 00:08:47,151 --> 00:08:48,486 to understand letters. 186 00:08:49,111 --> 00:08:51,072 Letters have a weight to them. 187 00:08:51,739 --> 00:08:55,201 When I was in school, all the kids knew where the prisons were, 188 00:08:55,576 --> 00:08:57,828 and some of them would get letters from their family members, 189 00:08:57,912 --> 00:08:59,372 and I would look at the envelope 190 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:03,709 and see these crazy collaged, pinta-style envelopes 191 00:09:04,126 --> 00:09:05,836 and I would think to myself, 192 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,634 "Man, if I could mix that style of artwork with bombing graffiti style, 193 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:12,843 put them together." 194 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:14,845 That's where my style was born. 195 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:17,348 [upbeat music playing] 196 00:09:23,771 --> 00:09:26,440 [Estevan] When I hit 19, I moved to Hollywood. 197 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,359 Sunset Boulevard was cracking. 198 00:09:28,442 --> 00:09:29,777 The Whisky, The Roxy. 199 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,028 Hip-hop was new. 200 00:09:31,112 --> 00:09:33,406 Just that scene was fucking off the chain, 201 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:36,200 and I was working nightclubs for extra money. 202 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,703 And that's where I met all the LA bands. 203 00:09:38,786 --> 00:09:40,997 Ice-T and the Rhyme Syndicate, 204 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,540 the Red Hot Chili Peppers, 205 00:09:42,623 --> 00:09:43,708 Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E., 206 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:45,293 Everlast from House of Pain. 207 00:09:45,376 --> 00:09:46,419 That's how I met Muggs. 208 00:09:46,502 --> 00:09:49,338 And then he took me down to the block on Cypress Ave, 209 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:51,215 and that's where I met B-Real and Sen. 210 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:53,426 [hip-hop music playing] 211 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,558 [Muggs] So, this right here is SP 1200. 212 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:04,437 This is the drum machine that we did um, all the House of Pain's records. 213 00:10:04,562 --> 00:10:06,564 ["Jump Around" by House of Pain playing] 214 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:08,733 Pack it up, pack it in Let me begin 215 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:11,485 {\an8}The sample though-- For "Jump Around," I made it. 216 00:10:11,611 --> 00:10:14,071 Horn player... came in the studio, played the horn, 217 00:10:14,530 --> 00:10:16,616 and I put it in here, then I detuned it. 218 00:10:16,699 --> 00:10:19,076 {\an8}When you detune it, it gives it like a crunch. 219 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,828 Feelin', funkin' {\an8}Amps in the trunk 220 00:10:20,911 --> 00:10:23,789 {\an8}It spreads it out a little bit. That's why that sounds unique. 221 00:10:26,751 --> 00:10:31,255 {\an8}First time I met Estevan, he was working the door of a club on 2nd Street 222 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:33,090 {\an8}in, like, Little Tokyo. 223 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:35,009 He just would always show me love and let me in. 224 00:10:35,092 --> 00:10:37,553 That's the homie Steve-O, short for Steve Oriol. 225 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:40,556 Switched it up to Scan. Scan was just Scandalous. 226 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,642 [Everlast] After we started getting the music together, 227 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:45,186 and we realized we were gonna go on the road, Muggs basically said, 228 00:10:45,269 --> 00:10:47,563 "Yo, I know exactly who should be your road manager." 229 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:50,358 Who can I get that's fucking responsible and got they shit together? 230 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:51,359 And I was like, "Who?" 231 00:10:51,442 --> 00:10:52,818 I hit up Scan and then, um... 232 00:10:52,902 --> 00:10:54,320 He became our tour manager. 233 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:55,863 That was it, right there. 234 00:10:55,946 --> 00:10:58,240 That was the beginning of us having worldwide escapades. 235 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:02,578 [hip-hop music playing] 236 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:05,623 [Estevan] In the beginning, people didn't know that House of Pain was white. 237 00:11:05,706 --> 00:11:06,999 People were like, "What the fuck?" 238 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,251 "What are these fucking white boys walking through here?" 239 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:10,378 And then they'd hear the... 240 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:13,005 [Estevan humming the start of "Jump Around"] 241 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:16,092 And the whole fucking club would just go buck wild, berserk, 242 00:11:16,175 --> 00:11:18,344 and they're just losing their fucking minds. 243 00:11:18,552 --> 00:11:20,179 From there, it just took off. 244 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,809 I was with the band in the music videos, like "Shamrocks and Shenanigans." 245 00:11:25,101 --> 00:11:27,978 When I wasn't here in LA, I was on tour with House of Pain. 246 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:30,564 My dad, he was a photographer. 247 00:11:30,648 --> 00:11:33,317 He thought I lived kind of a cool lifestyle, so... 248 00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:36,445 This is my first camera that my dad gave me. 249 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:39,615 This is the one that I talk about when people say, 250 00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:42,576 "Oh, how did you start in photography?" 251 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,579 [Everlast] We would go on these little really fucked-up promo tours, 252 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:47,790 and he was just always taking pictures. 253 00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:51,752 [clicking] 254 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:54,422 [spraying] 255 00:11:57,341 --> 00:11:59,593 [Cartoon] I figured out that I was gonna be an artist 256 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,595 when it was time to get a real job. 257 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:04,932 I think airbrushing T-shirts, when I first did that, 258 00:12:05,015 --> 00:12:06,559 about 17 years old, 259 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,186 is when I knew I could do this for a living. 260 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,480 And I would paint portraits of people's cars, 261 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,692 put it on a T-shirt and put the name over top. 262 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:17,111 I just started working right off the bat. 263 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:19,405 Cartoon's Customs was born, 264 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:21,741 kind of like preparing me to tattoo. 265 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:25,077 [hip-hop music playing] 266 00:12:25,369 --> 00:12:27,121 [Muggs] Scandalous got the camera. 267 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,915 Japan. It's how we do it. 268 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,675 Chicken and soup. And I'm gonna get the spinach and butter. 269 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:43,637 When you're on the road, man, shit can get a bit stressful. 270 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:46,182 You need somebody out there that knows everybody's personalities 271 00:12:46,265 --> 00:12:48,851 and everything, keep everything at ease all the time. 272 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:52,813 {\an8}Every day was a new adventure, new city, new country, new shows. 273 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:54,857 It was the shit, to roll with the homie. 274 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:55,775 Hey, Steve-O. 275 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:59,153 {\an8}He wasn't Estevan Oriol, the photographer. He was the road dog. 276 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:01,822 [hip-hop music playing] 277 00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:03,491 [Estevan] They got the homie. 278 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:07,745 Cypress Hill, at the time, had not only... selling crazy records or platinum records, 279 00:13:07,828 --> 00:13:09,580 but a well-respected hip-hop group. 280 00:13:09,663 --> 00:13:12,750 B-Real was one of the dopest emcees in the world at the time. 281 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,336 [B-Real] Look at this view, motherfuckers. 282 00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:16,629 [door creaking] 283 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,130 I look fucking good. 284 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:19,048 [screams] 285 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:22,843 {\an8}You never have to ask me if I'm ready. I'm always ready, motherfucker. Fuck you. 286 00:13:22,927 --> 00:13:26,639 {\an8}[hip-hop music playing] 287 00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:28,224 [coughs] 288 00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:29,975 Oh, shit. That was a good hit. 289 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:33,771 Muggs had put on Estevan to work with the House of Pain guys 290 00:13:33,854 --> 00:13:36,440 {\an8}and then he came to work with us, Cypress Hill. 291 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,443 His first show with us was at Woodstock 1994. 292 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:45,866 [Estevan] B-Real jumps off the stage into the crowd, now I gotta pull him out, 293 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:48,244 but while I'm pulling him out, I'm taking pictures. 294 00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:49,578 That shit was fucking crazy. 295 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:52,790 But I'm still comin' to get ya Thinkin' like a peace smoke 296 00:13:52,873 --> 00:13:56,085 Comin' on a homicide You talkin' shit, try to take... 297 00:13:56,168 --> 00:13:58,212 {\an8}Estevan, he had many different roles he played. 298 00:13:58,295 --> 00:13:59,505 {\an8}He was tour managing, 299 00:13:59,588 --> 00:14:02,258 {\an8}he was our photographer and videographer. 300 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,760 [people chanting] 301 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:08,597 So what ya gonna do now? Being the hunted one is no fun 302 00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:09,598 Here I come, son 303 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:10,516 Those are all mine. 304 00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:13,686 Better run more And move a little faster 305 00:14:13,769 --> 00:14:16,730 Second of thought And I'm comin' to blast ya with my 306 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:20,150 Sawed off shotgun, hand on the pump Left hand on a forty 307 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:21,318 Puffin' on a blunt 308 00:14:21,402 --> 00:14:22,570 Pumped my shotgun 309 00:14:22,653 --> 00:14:23,779 Niggas didn't jump 310 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,782 -♪ Lala, la la, la la, la la -[B-Real] Let's rock 'n' roll. 311 00:14:27,491 --> 00:14:28,659 Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill 312 00:14:28,742 --> 00:14:29,785 Look at it 313 00:14:29,994 --> 00:14:31,453 Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill 314 00:14:32,454 --> 00:14:33,956 Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill 315 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:34,957 Look at it 316 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,377 [B-Real] That's the way our crew was. We all worked together very tightly. 317 00:14:38,627 --> 00:14:40,296 No one ever wore one hat. 318 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:45,134 You know, everybody did multiple things just to get whatever we needed done, 319 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,928 and Estevan, you know, he covered a lot of bases, 320 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:50,264 and, at the same time, being our family and friend 321 00:14:50,347 --> 00:14:53,684 and filling every spot that needed to be filled. 322 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:55,728 What's up, dude? This is motherfucking Scandalous. 323 00:14:55,811 --> 00:14:57,646 If you need anything, I got what you want, baby. 324 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:58,689 [chuckles] 325 00:14:58,772 --> 00:15:01,066 Motherfuckin', big old skunk. 326 00:15:01,483 --> 00:15:03,986 [hip-hop music playing] 327 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:05,070 [man] Come on! 328 00:15:05,696 --> 00:15:07,823 Can you hear me? We're right here in fucked-up Cleveland, 329 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,034 we just had Mother Nature trip the fuck out on us. 330 00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:11,035 Yeah! 331 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:17,416 Olé, olé, olé, olé, Cypress, Cypress 332 00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:20,336 [Sen] So Estevan came through and a lot of the great footage that we have now 333 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:23,297 from Cypress Hill in those early days, it was all Estevan Oriol footage. 334 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:24,506 {\an8} Cypress 335 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:25,591 [audience] ♪ Cypress 336 00:15:25,674 --> 00:15:26,634 Cypress Hill 337 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:28,177 [audience] ♪ Cypress Hill 338 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:29,428 Cypress 339 00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:30,846 [audience] ♪ Cypress 340 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:31,972 Cypress Hill 341 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:33,223 [audience] ♪ Cypress Hill 342 00:15:33,307 --> 00:15:36,268 {\an8}I have Steve-O in my head always saying things like, 343 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:38,646 {\an8}"I'm just right here. I'm just right here." 344 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:39,939 Him, I think, saying to me, 345 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:42,107 "Don't worry about it. I'm doing my job. I'm right here." 346 00:15:43,108 --> 00:15:44,693 [Estevan] Alright, we're still on our way. 347 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,737 {\an8}[laughter] 348 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:48,364 [man singing] 349 00:15:48,572 --> 00:15:50,741 [Sen] The most pissed-on fucking countryside I've seen. 350 00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:53,744 -[Estevan] What else are we gonna do? -[Sen] We need to get there before you do. 351 00:15:53,827 --> 00:15:54,787 [driver] Fucking Ireland. 352 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:58,332 -[boy] Oh, he's stuck! -[driver] You fucking bollocks! 353 00:15:58,415 --> 00:15:59,416 [boy yells] 354 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:00,876 [Sen] What the fuck did he say? 355 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,670 [driver] We have to go backstage, you know? 356 00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:04,588 [policeman] You can't get in that way. It's too small. 357 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,174 -[driver] We wanna go backstage. -Yeah, you got a pass? 358 00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:09,843 Yeah, we-- This is our pass. Cypress Hill. 359 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,637 -[policeman] Cypress-- Oh, yeah. -Yeah. 360 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,390 -[Sen] We made it, Engolf. -[Estevan chuckles] 361 00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:16,308 [Estevan] I'm on tour with The Beastie Boys, 362 00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:17,559 No Doubt, The Fugees, 363 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,728 Limp Bizkit, Erykah Badu, 364 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:21,397 and all these other bands, 365 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,024 and I'm the only one there with a camera. 366 00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:27,194 [rock music playing] 367 00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:29,655 [Estevan] You're going from nothing to seeing thousands of people 368 00:16:29,738 --> 00:16:33,492 losing their fucking minds to the song that you guys are bringing, you know? 369 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:35,536 So, you're, like, "Fuck, man." 370 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:37,663 That's when I started, like, feeling like, 371 00:16:37,746 --> 00:16:40,416 "Okay, yeah, I need to take pictures of all this shit." 372 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:43,669 [screaming] 373 00:16:43,752 --> 00:16:45,462 This is Southern California, motherfucker. 374 00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:49,216 [Estevan] I started offering my photos to the magazines, 375 00:16:49,299 --> 00:16:51,885 so music magazines started publishing my photos. 376 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:53,512 [birds chirping] 377 00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:00,894 Yo, kick it off, dog. 378 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,896 One, two, three. Chickity boom bang. 379 00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:05,607 Estevan... 380 00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:08,694 {\an8}The motherfucker was the man, you know? He was a man of many hats. 381 00:17:08,902 --> 00:17:11,613 When I met him, I was about 14, 15 years old. 382 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:14,658 I was in the group The Whooliganz. I rapped. I was a rapper. 383 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,368 Book your silly crick {\an8}Put your hands up 384 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:18,579 {\an8}[Alchemist] Me and my man Scotty. Scotty Caan. 385 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,792 [Scott] We had made a record with B-Real, so they were bringing us out on tour 386 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:25,836 to pump up our record that hadn't come out yet. 387 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:29,131 So, I'm 16 years old in that situation, 388 00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:32,968 {\an8}with nothing to do, but be alive for one hour. 389 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,970 {\an8}Otherwise, it was, like, hit on girls, 390 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,306 smoke weed and drink, and hang out with your idols. 391 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:41,226 I don't like to represent an age group. I'm representing hip-hop. 392 00:17:41,685 --> 00:17:43,604 You know, he started fucking with the camera then... 393 00:17:44,104 --> 00:17:46,231 Alchemist started fucking with beats then and... 394 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:47,775 -Can we say "fuck"? -[producer] Yeah. 395 00:17:47,858 --> 00:17:49,568 You talk about that time, you can't not curse. 396 00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:50,861 It's impossible, you know? 397 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:53,864 You gotta remember, in '93, Soul Assassins, 398 00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:56,533 Cypress Hill, House of Pain, they were the top of rap. 399 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,203 You know, you had Dre and Snoop otherwise, 400 00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:02,456 but other than that, this was the biggest shit going on. 401 00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:04,458 That was Soul Assassins. We were the top. 402 00:18:04,541 --> 00:18:07,836 {\an8}[hip-hop music playing] 403 00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:11,507 [Pat] I met Estevan Oriol 25 plus years ago. 404 00:18:11,715 --> 00:18:14,343 {\an8}It was surreal for a 16-year-old to go to a concert 405 00:18:14,426 --> 00:18:16,887 {\an8}with The Whooliganz opening up for House of Pain and Cypress Hill 406 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,097 {\an8}at the height of their career. 407 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,599 We were backstage, and they almost shut the whole concert down 408 00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:23,352 because some guy named Estevan punched out the bootleggers. 409 00:18:23,435 --> 00:18:26,897 They would get your artwork from the newspaper and make a shirt. 410 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:29,149 Like an hour before the show, a couple-- All the homeboys 411 00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:32,069 would like, put their hoods on and, like, go walk through the parking lot 412 00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,905 and you'd just be sittin' by the, you know, by the trailers, 413 00:18:34,988 --> 00:18:36,824 -and you just hear, "Wham!" -Damn! 414 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,159 And dudes would just get knocked out cold, like... 415 00:18:39,243 --> 00:18:40,369 I won't name any names. 416 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:43,163 -[producer] Name names. -Muggs, Estevan. 417 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:44,706 Motherfucker said something... 418 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:46,750 So I punch him in the face. 419 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:47,876 Poor guy. 420 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,586 [Pat] So, that's when I met Estevan Oriol. 421 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,338 Him beating up a bootlegger in San Francisco 422 00:18:51,421 --> 00:18:53,507 at a Soul Assassins' concert. 423 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:56,176 When I met Steve-O, he was tour manager, 424 00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,720 the all-time funny guy... 425 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:02,975 slash photographer, slash DJ. 426 00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:07,437 From their platinum album Temples of Boom, you guys, here is Cypress Hill! 427 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,858 All this confusion's stressing me {\an8}Out in my mind 428 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:14,486 There were times I think where he even may have filled in 429 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:17,573 as a member of Cypress Hill in interviews. 430 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:20,701 {\an8}You can't blame all of us for these few groups. 431 00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:22,744 {\an8}[Jim] Clearly, the controversy is going to continue. 432 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:24,830 {\an8}-Thanks a lot for joining us. -Thanks for having us. 433 00:19:24,913 --> 00:19:27,082 {\an8}This is Cypress Hill. And now, back to New York. 434 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,542 [people shouting] 435 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:29,543 [Chuck D] Then fight! 436 00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:33,088 [police car siren wailing] 437 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,758 I think it all changed, though, when I did my first album cover. 438 00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,427 ["Fight the Power" by Public Enemy playing] 439 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:40,053 [Cartoon] There were the 1992 riots. 440 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,889 It's not a message of protest. 441 00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:44,266 It's the brutality of a mob. 442 00:19:44,349 --> 00:19:46,727 [shouting] 443 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:49,605 [Cartoon] The verdict was read, and the streets went crazy. 444 00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,857 [hip-hop music playing] 445 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,317 {\an8}Shit just happened. 446 00:19:53,483 --> 00:19:57,362 Blacks and Mexicans started looking at each other, communicating 447 00:19:57,446 --> 00:19:58,989 like family. 448 00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:01,867 {\an8}Boy, they didn't like that. They didn't like that. 449 00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:05,662 {\an8}I remember that day, driving on the 110 freeway, 450 00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:10,083 {\an8}going to Hollywood and seeing the sides of the 110 451 00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:11,835 {\an8}with fire on each side of it. 452 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,671 {\an8}What it did was, it spawned a relationship 453 00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:17,549 {\an8}from '92 to now that they can never break. 454 00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:20,093 [Cartoon] But as crazy as that shit was, 455 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,012 that everything was on fire 456 00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,890 {\an8}and the injustice against Rodney King, 457 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,476 and "fuck the police," and this and that, 458 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:31,021 {\an8}I was driving, and the Kid Frost album cover I had drawn 459 00:20:31,104 --> 00:20:33,440 {\an8}was blown up on a billboard 460 00:20:33,523 --> 00:20:34,733 for Virgin Records. 461 00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:39,696 Now I'm in the music game, and I don't even play the guitar. 462 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,741 [car horn honking] 463 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:46,745 Behind me is where me and Cartoon first met. 464 00:20:46,828 --> 00:20:49,623 On that particular night, they rented out the top floor 465 00:20:49,706 --> 00:20:52,251 for The Penthouse Players record release party. 466 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:55,295 Me and my friend Donnie Charles, we went there together. 467 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:56,797 Right when we walked in, 468 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,757 he saw Cartoon, and he goes, "Hey..." 469 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,385 {\an8}"Come over here, uh, I want you to meet my other homie. 470 00:21:01,468 --> 00:21:02,552 He's Mexican too." 471 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,221 "Both of you guys are in the music game. 472 00:21:04,304 --> 00:21:06,723 He did The Penthouse Players' album cover. 473 00:21:06,807 --> 00:21:09,810 You guys just kick it right here, and I'm gonna go roll around." 474 00:21:10,477 --> 00:21:13,605 "E" impacted my life because I found someone 475 00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,732 that was on the same mission I was, 476 00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:17,985 artistically, friendship-wise. 477 00:21:18,068 --> 00:21:20,570 [Yolanda] I remember him telling me, "Mommy," says, 478 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:24,116 "I met a guy that thinks along the same lines I do." 479 00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,077 Probably my first seeing Cartoon was, like, early '94. 480 00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,787 [B-Real] If I remember correctly, 481 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:31,873 it was at Muggs' crib up in the Hollywood Hills. 482 00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:36,753 -They were in a '64 Impala. -[David] It is a buddy comedy. 483 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,798 [Muggs] Abbott and Costello. These two motherfuckers was non-stop. 484 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,216 They knew how to hustle. 485 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,135 [Cartoon] At the beginning, it was rough for us. 486 00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:46,805 And the more we hung out, the more we just started building on ideas 487 00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:50,142 of things that we could do to make money that weren't illegal. 488 00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:52,311 [man] The check dance. Let's see the-- Let's see the-- 489 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:53,562 The stripper check. 490 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:59,026 {\an8}Back in those days, you know, there was no Estevan without Cartoon. 491 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:04,656 [Muggs] Cartoon's role in Soul Assassins, he's like the... the visuals. 492 00:22:04,781 --> 00:22:07,534 {\an8}We saw the talent in him. We believed in him. 493 00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,043 [Estevan] Get in there. Get in there, fucker. 494 00:22:16,126 --> 00:22:17,085 [Cartoon] For real? 495 00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:19,504 [Cartoon exhales] 496 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:21,757 Turn the camera off! 497 00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,260 [ferry boat horns honking] 498 00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:28,138 -[Estevan] Where we at? -We're in a ferry right now. 499 00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:30,223 Fucking eight in the morning and shit. 500 00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:31,850 [Cartoon] I'm so tired. 501 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:35,270 All that tour life, man, I think that's what kind of molded us 502 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:38,231 to be able to have different relationships, you know? 503 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:39,941 Just living that life, man. 504 00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:41,568 -[woman] You're high, man. -[Estevan] Wow! 505 00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:43,320 What do you think about that? It looks crazy. 506 00:22:43,403 --> 00:22:45,197 [Estevan] I'll take a little piece and taste it. 507 00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,325 When Cartoon first started coming around, he started doing all of our shit. 508 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:50,577 {\an8}He was mad talented. 509 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,080 [Cartoon] I would do the stage design. 510 00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,498 [man over speakers] Check, check. 511 00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,124 [Cartoon] Artwork that I had drawn 512 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,503 would get blown up into this big giant blow-up doll 513 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:01,630 of a king sitting on a throne, 514 00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:03,632 the most gangster shit I could think of. 515 00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:06,676 I hadn't even started tattooing. I didn't even have a tattoo yet. 516 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,011 It wasn't until later I started 517 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,555 hangin' around professional tattoo shops that... 518 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:13,100 [sniffs] ...the smell of the green soap, 519 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:15,394 the energy of the shop kind of drew me in. 520 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,146 My life would go another direction. 521 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:22,901 [rhythmic music playing] 522 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:31,827 [man] This is NFC, stands for "No Fat Chicks." 523 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:36,748 A long, long time ago, I made a tattoo machine... 524 00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:39,626 for my partner Cartoon. 525 00:23:39,709 --> 00:23:42,170 And this is what he started tattooing me with. 526 00:23:43,213 --> 00:23:45,882 [Cartoon] Even though I was good at drawing on paper, 527 00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:50,595 and I could do graffiti, airbrush, skin was a completely different world. 528 00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:54,683 [Muggs] His transition from drawing to the tattoo game 529 00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,685 had everybody shook. 530 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:59,062 [Alchemist] I don't remember exactly how he transitioned, 531 00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:01,940 but I remember, like, his first tattoos. It was, like, "Oh, it's over." 532 00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:04,568 [Estevan] Cartoon came in and changed the game. 533 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:07,404 [Alchemist] From spraying on a metal to "Give me this fucking gun," 534 00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:09,531 he just, like, took to skin 535 00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:11,700 like it was just second nature. 536 00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:14,911 [tattoo machine buzzing] 537 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,123 In the early days, he'd bring me all my customers. 538 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,459 I'd just see all these people and all these bands, 539 00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:22,878 and I'd see their tattoos and I was like, 540 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:25,714 "Fuck, man, that tattoo looks like shit." 541 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:27,841 {\an8}[Cartoon] Just see them at a concert and be like, 542 00:24:27,924 --> 00:24:30,177 {\an8}"Oh, you like tattoos? That's a nice tattoo. 543 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:32,888 You ever got tattooed by Cartoon? He did this on me." 544 00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,806 And I showed them mine, and they were fresh. 545 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:35,932 Most of the guys were like, 546 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:37,809 "Oh, that's badass, you know. Who did that?" 547 00:24:37,893 --> 00:24:40,812 "My boy Cartoon. He brought his shit. You can get tattooed with him." 548 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:42,981 That's how I got all my clients, you know? 549 00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,316 My big ones. 550 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:47,068 [hip-hop music playing] 551 00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:52,991 There is so much going on with those guys. 552 00:24:53,783 --> 00:24:56,077 [hip-hop music playing] 553 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:58,622 [Paul] They're super ambitious, super creative. 554 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:01,249 You just want this same style, but just a little more symmetrical. 555 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:02,209 [man] Like this. 556 00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:03,793 [Paul] Super fun to be around. 557 00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:05,587 Super assholes at times. 558 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:09,591 Hey, Paul, we're ready to get Jewish, get right. 559 00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:11,927 I know Toons went on the Anger Management Tour 560 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:12,886 over to Europe. 561 00:25:13,428 --> 00:25:14,513 Everybody hung out. 562 00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:16,223 Anger Management Tour. 563 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:18,099 -This was the tour. -Damn. 564 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,976 [Bobo] We're doing these European festivals 565 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,229 and you get access to all these bands. 566 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:23,647 I mean, all-access pass. 567 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:27,526 Whookid is accused of trying to bribe a prostitute 568 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:29,569 with a mixtape and two tickets. 569 00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:32,614 [all laugh and yell] 570 00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:35,575 [Xzibit] Order in court! Order in court! 571 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:38,662 Did you or did you not pay for pussy? 572 00:25:38,745 --> 00:25:40,247 I paid for entertainment. 573 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:42,874 [all laugh] 574 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:46,086 {\an8}[hip-hop music playing] 575 00:25:48,004 --> 00:25:49,673 He's a pro at that, man. 576 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,473 It was crazy, he was tattooing on tour over there in Europe. 577 00:25:58,765 --> 00:25:59,849 Amsterdam. 578 00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,602 I came over here to Europe to come with Cypress Hill. 579 00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:07,065 Actually, it's a Cartoon tour featuring 50 Cent. 580 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:08,775 He makes me want a tattoo and shit. 581 00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:11,987 -[Cartoon] Eminem. -Cartoon, homie. Y'all can't afford it. 582 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:14,573 -[Cartoon] Xzibit. -Fucking ecstasy, man! 583 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:15,740 [Cartoon] Cypress Hill. 584 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:19,202 It ain't easy, but somebody gotta do it. Why the hell not you, right? 585 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:21,496 Basically, my tattoo customers are getting together 586 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,373 and throwing some type of little concert. 587 00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:25,667 That was pretty cool 'cause he was doing it sometimes 588 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:26,626 right backstage. 589 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,005 [tattoo machine buzzing] 590 00:26:30,088 --> 00:26:33,049 -You're coming with us tomorrow, right? -We're coming at 3:00 p.m. 2:00 p-- 591 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:34,092 No, 1:00 p.m. 592 00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:37,345 I was Proof before it, but this really-- 593 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:41,266 Wow! I'm Proof now, for real, for real, you know what I'm saying? 594 00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:43,059 [Cartoon] Motherfuckers are bored, 595 00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:45,520 so when you have a tattoo machine going in the back... 596 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:46,855 What do you got on that shoulder? 597 00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:50,317 ...and you're in Germany somewhere, you're gonna be there all day. 598 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,776 He's got another victim. 599 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,822 He shoulda did a class photo with all his ink victims on this tour. 600 00:26:57,657 --> 00:27:00,910 [Eric] He did Bizarre from D12. He did his belly, man. 601 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,121 I remember, I was there just watching him do this. 602 00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:04,623 He had a lot of real estate. 603 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:05,582 [chuckling] 604 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:08,543 He had lot of real estate right there. It was crazy. 605 00:27:08,668 --> 00:27:09,919 [Bizarre] If you're a rapper 606 00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:14,633 and you ain't got a tattoo by Cartoon, then you ain't living. 607 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:16,676 [chuckling] 608 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,970 [hip-hop music playing] 609 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,473 [Cartoon] I was just that guy in the industry 610 00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:23,725 and people were coming to see me because of my work. 611 00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:25,894 I surrounded myself by talent. 612 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:29,356 [hip-hop music playing] 613 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:31,107 [tattoo machine buzzing] 614 00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:41,993 [hip-hop music playing] 615 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:47,374 [Cartoon] 25 years old, this is holding its weight. 616 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,959 DL, all day strong. Know what I'm talkin' bout? 617 00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:53,630 Hola. 618 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,185 [Estevan] Is there anywhere to go get something to eat? 619 00:28:07,268 --> 00:28:08,687 Terminal two. 620 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:10,355 -[Estevan] Huh? -Terminal two. 621 00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:12,190 -[Estevan] How do you get there? -You go-- 622 00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:14,943 Where did she say to turn? 623 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,194 [Estevan] The green ramp. 624 00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:21,366 New York City. No one's here. 625 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:23,535 -[Estevan] You need that? -No. 626 00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:25,203 -[Estevan] Let's go. -[baggage claim siren] 627 00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,665 [hip-hop music playing] 628 00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:31,668 [Eric] Before you know it, everybody was calling Cartoon. 629 00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:33,753 He was top name, flying him in. 630 00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:36,631 Well, at that point in time, everybody started getting tatted up. 631 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,007 Hey, let's order a pizza pie. 632 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:39,509 Gang Starr, you know what I'm saying? 633 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:42,512 That means that's me and my motherfucking man Preemo, okay? 634 00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:43,763 -DJ Premier. -Yeah. 635 00:28:45,181 --> 00:28:48,309 [Premier] Only real shit gets done on me anyway, so the realest shit, 636 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:49,602 Mister Cartoon. 637 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,854 This hot, though, this hot. 638 00:28:50,937 --> 00:28:52,480 He's created a masterpiece. 639 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,734 [door creaking] 640 00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,402 [scoffs] Busted. 641 00:28:57,485 --> 00:28:58,778 [laughs] 642 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:02,240 I'm gonna leave my whole little cigarette binge right here in New York, 643 00:29:02,323 --> 00:29:03,241 where I found it. 644 00:29:03,324 --> 00:29:04,909 [Estevan] I thought you found it in Tokyo. 645 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:05,869 Yeah, but... 646 00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,329 I can't leave it there cause I'm over here. 647 00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:10,290 [hip-hop music playing] 648 00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:11,791 That nigga Cartoon be doin'. 649 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:20,091 You see, this is how we do it. 650 00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:22,177 And-- And what you have with Estevan... 651 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:25,221 If I tell you to shut the fuck up, will you shut the fuck up? 652 00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:27,474 Insane drug addict, alcoholic. 653 00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:28,808 He was partying his ass off. 654 00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:32,270 [Cartoon] I might've experimented with every kind of drug you could try. 655 00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,814 PCP, blow, mushrooms, 656 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:36,900 acid, ecstasy, 657 00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:38,026 MDMA. 658 00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,612 I'd wake up with the craziest cramps in my legs. 659 00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:42,614 And... it was just too much. 660 00:29:42,697 --> 00:29:44,616 We looked at each other and we were like, 661 00:29:44,699 --> 00:29:46,701 "We need to go to the next level, man." 662 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:50,205 And to go to the next level, "E" had to leave... 663 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:52,791 the substances behind. 664 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,083 [David] And he got sober 665 00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,670 and sponsored countless amount of people for years. 666 00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,757 Once he got sober, I just seen domination kick in. 667 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,842 And they grew that empire, 668 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:04,719 Soul Assassins Studios. 669 00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,805 Before you know it... [imitates explosion] 670 00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:09,182 [crowd cheering] 671 00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:13,728 I mean, should I tell you-- I can tell you the whole story now. 672 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,356 ["Children's Story" by Slick Rick playing] 673 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:20,276 Now here's a little something That needs to be heard 674 00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,446 [Snoop] My first time going to S.A. Studios, 675 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:24,906 lowriders, 676 00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:27,200 rims, 677 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:28,952 the art on the wall. 678 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:31,246 I was like a kid in a candy store. 679 00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:35,124 {\an8}It was like a Chicano... 680 00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:37,210 {\an8}like a camp, like a club. 681 00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:39,295 These dudes are like cholo Da Vincis. 682 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,423 I never would've found them if I hadn't become successful. 683 00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:44,884 [Eminem] Yeah. Yeah. Check, check. 684 00:30:45,468 --> 00:30:48,429 Yo. I remember walking in, though, and being like, 685 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,557 {\an8}"Damn, you guys made it." 686 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,143 {\an8}[chuckling] 'Cause it was, like, fucking incredible. 687 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:55,436 [Travis] You're in downtown, 688 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,772 and you're in the thick of it, Skid Row is right there, 689 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,024 {\an8}and that spot was super jammin'. I loved that. 690 00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,443 [Eminem] It seemed like it should be like a tour museum. 691 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:04,237 Like, people need to see that shit. 692 00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:08,324 {\an8}[Estevan] When we first moved down here, this was an extension of Skid Row. 693 00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:12,495 This is where the homeless used to live. The people on drugs or mentally ill. 694 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,081 That's what this area was like before. 695 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:18,585 Can you see it? All right. The Art Department were those two windows. 696 00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:20,503 And we had like a little showroom here. 697 00:31:20,837 --> 00:31:24,841 We had all of our cars laid out behind these windows. 698 00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:26,801 Inside that double doors right there 699 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:30,221 was Cartoon's Skid Row Tattoo. 700 00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:32,348 S.A. Studios. That was a great time. 701 00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:33,600 It was like a hideout. 702 00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,394 You guys gave us the tour. Like, showed us a bunch of shit. 703 00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:38,813 [Alchemist] It was kind of like a wild playground. 704 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:41,274 [Estevan] Come on! Let's go! Busted! Yeah! 705 00:31:41,357 --> 00:31:42,400 Shalom. 706 00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:44,611 Yeah, I got a good tattoo for you guys right here. 707 00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:46,905 -Oh! -[man laughs] 708 00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,032 The Jew unit in effect, you know what I'm saying? 709 00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:50,491 ["Bust a Move" by Young MC's playing] 710 00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:53,328 [David] We have these two guys with shaved heads covered in tattoos, 711 00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,872 and then you go to their office, and they have their own Nikes, 712 00:31:55,955 --> 00:31:57,248 they have their own Vans. 713 00:31:57,332 --> 00:31:59,667 And Estevan's sittin' there, and his room's a mess, 714 00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:02,086 and he has like a little gun on the table. 715 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:05,924 [Travis] Motorcycles. It was the illest, illest studio ever. 716 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:08,259 It was nothing like I'd ever seen before. 717 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,886 I'm green with envy. 718 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:13,264 When I walked out and I saw Too $hort, and then I saw Darlene, 719 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,224 Ice-T's old wife, right? 720 00:32:15,308 --> 00:32:16,643 Well, I saw 50 there. 721 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:17,769 I saw Dre, Snoop. 722 00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:20,021 You know, every day was somebody else coming through. 723 00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:21,940 I saw her walking in, and I'm like, 724 00:32:22,023 --> 00:32:24,692 "Oh, this must be the spot." You know what I'm saying? Like... 725 00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:26,778 [Sen] I saw Eminem over there. 726 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:27,904 He tatted me there. 727 00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:29,614 I think one day I saw Kim Kardashian there. 728 00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:32,075 Went and done a photo shoot with her or whatever. 729 00:32:32,158 --> 00:32:33,326 You guys still got that place? 730 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,704 {\an8}The building itself seemed slightly dangerous. 731 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:37,872 Oh, there comes shitbox. 732 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,833 [Brian] I'm sure it's really dangerous, but since you planted 733 00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:42,377 your spot there it became-- 734 00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,504 [chuckling] It was like a safe house or something. 735 00:32:44,587 --> 00:32:46,923 [Sen] The homeless people around it, they took care of it. 736 00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:49,467 You know, that's why no one ever really messed with that building. 737 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,887 [Estevan] Pull your ass over. Face the wall. 738 00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:55,765 And I wanna see your ID and your bike. 739 00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,433 There's my ID, 740 00:32:57,517 --> 00:32:58,893 there's my nutsack, 741 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,311 and fuck you, my ass. 742 00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:04,482 [Cartoon] It seems like we were able to exist in multiple worlds. 743 00:33:04,565 --> 00:33:05,692 You know what I'm saying? 744 00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:08,194 For lunch, we'd be in downtown 745 00:33:08,277 --> 00:33:11,322 and bullshitting with some crazy homeless guy in his tent. 746 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,741 Estevan would jump out and take a picture of him. 747 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:18,413 {\an8}And then we'd jump on the 10 freeway and be at a five-star hotel. 748 00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,415 It was just normal, you know what I'm saying? 749 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,167 [Pepper] I'm Pepper, you know? 750 00:33:23,251 --> 00:33:26,129 {\an8}I'm Skid Row's most highest-ranked right now. 751 00:33:26,295 --> 00:33:27,839 I'm the mayor of Skid Row. 752 00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,216 The homeless pretty much answer to me. 753 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:32,677 Factory place was dead. 754 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,388 When Joker, Cartoon, everyone come here. 755 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,433 They brought the factory to life, okay? 756 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,560 And then I came into the scene. 757 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:43,479 -[Estevan] How old you turn? -Forty-one. 758 00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:45,023 Okay, I'm 50. 759 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:47,775 Soon to be 51 in a couple of months. 760 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:51,779 I'm an ex-convict, ex-drug dealer, ex-drug user. 761 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,489 I gutted his ass. 762 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,867 We got in an argument, so I gutted him. 763 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,286 This family never gave up on me. 764 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:02,749 They never gave up on me when I was all filthy, drugged out and shit. 765 00:34:02,832 --> 00:34:04,792 When I was thrown in and out of County Jail, 766 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,669 they accepted me with open arms when I come out. 767 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:09,255 [Cartoon] I've been dealing with homeless people 768 00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:10,548 all my life, you know. 769 00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,175 They don't wanna follow rules. 770 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,135 I work when I wanna work. 771 00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:16,971 Sleep when I wanna sleep. 772 00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,016 Sleep where I wanna sleep. 773 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,895 [Cartoon] They have a problem with authority. 774 00:34:23,978 --> 00:34:27,315 And whoever don't like it, fuck them in their ass and suck my dick. 775 00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:30,276 For the fourth time today. This is harassment. 776 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,403 Fourth time being stopped for no reason. 777 00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:33,988 [Pepper continues yelling] 778 00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:36,240 -[Estevan] See you tomorrow, Pepper! -[Pepper] All right. 779 00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:39,243 [Cartoon] We could fall off and lose all our shit. 780 00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:40,620 Pepper's world. 781 00:34:40,703 --> 00:34:43,289 [Cartoon] So, any of us could be walking the streets, you know? 782 00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:44,832 Drugs will take you down there. 783 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:49,212 But that's the way life goes. Life is about change. 784 00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:51,380 And change is what it's about. 785 00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:54,926 [Lepke] Look, if y'all gonna keep telling me 786 00:34:55,009 --> 00:34:57,303 which way to move, we can't do no interview. Damn! 787 00:34:57,595 --> 00:34:59,722 {\an8}Look, are you good, cameraman? All right. 788 00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,142 Listen, I'm Big Lepke, Westside Rebels, gangster {\an8}locos. 789 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:04,977 Yeah, I'm an ex-gang member. 790 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:07,271 We up on Skid Row. We keep it real. 791 00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:09,774 Today we ain't trippin'. Ain't no heroin in the veins. 792 00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:11,150 Ain't no rock in the mouth. 793 00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,069 {\an8}Skid Row was my home. 794 00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,071 Some people call it "hell." I call it "home." 795 00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:16,280 The city I roam. 796 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:19,742 [Estevan] So, right here Lepke would get the boxes 797 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,285 from when we'd throw them out, 798 00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:23,121 and he'd make like a little bed right here. 799 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,748 I remember one time we were coming to have a meeting here 800 00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:28,167 and Lepke, he'd been shooting heroin. 801 00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:31,754 We were like, "Great, fucking Lepke's passed out. 802 00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:35,049 The clients are coming, and we're gonna have this big meeting, 803 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,802 and there's our, you know, dopefiend friend 804 00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,513 passed out from shooting too much heroin. 805 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,559 You know, he didn't OD, so we didn't have to stick an ice cube up his ass. 806 00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:48,229 But he was knocked out, so we had to spray him with some water... 807 00:35:50,356 --> 00:35:51,732 so he could come to. 808 00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:53,484 [Cartoon] Hey. 809 00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:55,945 [laughing] Come back. 810 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,655 Get him later. 811 00:35:57,738 --> 00:35:58,948 I'm over here, kickin' it. 812 00:35:59,031 --> 00:36:01,033 -[Cartoon] Don't threaten me, man. -Hey, motherfucker. 813 00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,744 No, no, we told him, "You gotta go. We're gonna have a meeting." 814 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:05,663 Oh, suck a dick. 815 00:36:05,788 --> 00:36:09,167 Yeah, he squirted some water in my nose, and it was a cool wake-up call. 816 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:10,710 I always think about stuff like that. 817 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,378 You're gonna get kicked. 818 00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:15,965 So, downtown has always been a Soul Assassins' headquarters. 819 00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:20,970 It was kind of like a home base. Kind of reminds me of Grand Theft Auto. 820 00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:22,221 Estevan was upstairs, 821 00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:23,764 Cartoon was tattooing. 822 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:26,142 There was eyes on it. It was protected, man, yeah. 823 00:36:26,225 --> 00:36:28,853 There's like a shield around it or something. 824 00:36:28,936 --> 00:36:32,315 But you take pictures, you do cars, all that stuff in that space. 825 00:36:32,398 --> 00:36:34,275 You tattoo there. 826 00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:35,568 [tattoo machine buzzing] 827 00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:37,904 There's only one guy that I let do my tattoos, 828 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,363 and my kids' tattoos. 829 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:41,574 The great Cartoon. 830 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:45,995 [slow music playing] 831 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,585 [Danny, in Spanish] How does the car look? 832 00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:54,545 -[man, in Spanish] Great. -[Danny laughing] 833 00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:56,756 {\an8}[in English] Tattoos used to be a stigma. 834 00:36:56,839 --> 00:36:57,798 {\an8}I mean, a bad one. 835 00:36:58,007 --> 00:36:59,258 When I got out of the pen, 836 00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:02,595 the first girl I saw with a tattoo, I-- I thought she was a hooker. 837 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,513 Before him, tattooing hip-hop guys, 838 00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:07,433 I don't think there was a prominent position in hip-hop 839 00:37:07,516 --> 00:37:09,143 where guys were getting tatted like that. 840 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,479 Nobody was-- Like, in hip-hop, was about that. 841 00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:12,563 I mean-- 842 00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:16,651 Fuck, I mean, I feel like Cartoon gave Eminem one of his first tattoos, 843 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:19,237 Didn't he? He gave Snoop one of his first tattoos. 844 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,198 [Snoop] Look at this, man. I really look like my old boy Nate Dogg. 845 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,575 It looks like my lovely wife. 846 00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:26,202 He captured that, man. 847 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:28,788 I mean, I don't even have a Cartoon tattoo, believe it or not. 848 00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:30,790 That's, you know what I mean, I'd love one. 849 00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:34,126 But, you know, I'm not paying 50 Gs. [chuckling] I'm just not doing it. 850 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,421 This guy is the best in the world, but he costs an arm and a leg. 851 00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,423 He'll tattoo your arm and he'll take it with you. 852 00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,926 Hey, man, it's worth it. 853 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,929 -[Cartoon] Talk about your new tattoo. -Cartoon is the greatest tattoo artist 854 00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:46,555 to ever live. 855 00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:51,227 [Cartoon] This should be enough for this, because, my man-- 856 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:54,355 He's the greatest, the quickest, uh... 857 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,483 -[Cartoon] With the biggest truck. -With the biggest truck. 858 00:37:58,192 --> 00:37:59,735 It's getting expensive, man. 859 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:01,946 With the biggest truck... 860 00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,031 in the world, probably. 861 00:38:04,323 --> 00:38:06,993 I mean, his clientele, you know, it's like, you know, Travis, 862 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,577 and Eminem, Redman, 863 00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:09,996 Method Man, you know, 864 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,372 Justin Timberlake, 865 00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:12,999 Beyoncé from Destiny's Child... 866 00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:14,208 Don't show me. 867 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,043 [Beyoncé laughs] 868 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:17,503 [Skinhead Rob] It's appointment only 869 00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:20,673 and not every deek off the street can just come in and get something. 870 00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,883 I knew If I was gonna get my fucking head done, 871 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:25,136 for what I wanted and stuff, and the style, 872 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,762 I knew it was gonna be Cartoon, you know. 873 00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:29,640 [tattoo machine buzzing] 874 00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:32,018 [upbeat music playing] 875 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:44,864 That was an experience. 876 00:38:44,947 --> 00:38:47,366 [Ryan] I would hear his name in songs. The Game, 877 00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:50,119 {\an8}there's a couple of rap songs where he drops Cartoon's name. 878 00:38:50,202 --> 00:38:52,830 I'm to hip-hop What Cartoon is to Mexicans 879 00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:56,125 [Paul R., Jr] You know, I'm a hip-hop fan, and, so, I would see Cartoon 880 00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:57,543 {\an8}pop up in music videos. 881 00:38:57,626 --> 00:38:59,462 ["Ups & Downs" by Snoop Dogg playing] 882 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,717 From the reign of the tec I break 'em off 883 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,428 I even got a tattoo With your name across the chest 884 00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:08,554 [Ryan] In the waiting room, 885 00:39:08,637 --> 00:39:10,348 I remember looking at the pictures on the wall, 886 00:39:10,431 --> 00:39:12,141 pictures Estevan probably took. 887 00:39:12,224 --> 00:39:15,186 Cartoon was tatting up all those, 50 Cent, Eminem and Dr. Dre. 888 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:17,271 If Xzibit was getting tattooed, 889 00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,691 {\an8}Estevan was photographing him, and you'd see that photo everywhere. 890 00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:26,030 [Ryan] I knew pretty early on that he had done the Xs on Xzibit, 891 00:39:26,113 --> 00:39:27,448 that he did 50 Cent's back, 892 00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:29,825 You know, 50 got that shit on his back, man. 893 00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,202 That shit is crazy. 894 00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:33,079 One, two, three, let's go! 895 00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:35,915 ["Disco Inferno" by 50 Cent playing] Lil' mama, show me how you move it 896 00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:38,167 Go ahead, put your back into it 897 00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:42,463 [Cartoon] More people were coming down, more people were willing to come downtown. 898 00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:46,634 I mean, back then, people used to complain about having to drive to downtown. 899 00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:48,886 "Oh, all the way downtown?" 900 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:51,555 They wouldn't go east of La Brea. 901 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,099 50 Cent, my boy Cartoon. 902 00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:54,892 We out here in LA, boy. 903 00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,228 [Estevan] Cartoon was tattooing 50 Cent in there, 904 00:39:57,311 --> 00:39:59,855 and he said he had to go have a meeting. 905 00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:03,234 He was going to sign with Jimmy Iovine at Interscope. 906 00:40:03,317 --> 00:40:04,193 [50 Cent] Huh? Huh? 907 00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:06,320 [Estevan] So he had to leave for an hour or two. 908 00:40:06,737 --> 00:40:10,658 So me and Cartoon left in his brand-new white Escalade 909 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:12,952 on, like, 22-inch rims. 910 00:40:13,035 --> 00:40:14,036 [police car siren wailing] 911 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,832 [Estevan] About six police officers followed us down that street. 912 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:19,667 They pulled us both out of the car. 913 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,545 They threw me on the ground, put the handcuffs behind my back, 914 00:40:22,628 --> 00:40:25,798 put his shotgun in the back of my head right here, 915 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:27,007 and he was shaking. 916 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:28,342 What happened was... 917 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,428 Some motorcycle cop was put in the hospital 918 00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:34,598 by a young gentleman with a shaved head looking a lot like me, 919 00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,934 driving a truck like this. 920 00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:39,812 [Estevan] We have customers here from out of town. 921 00:40:39,895 --> 00:40:42,314 And they go, "Hey, you guys gotta go," then 50 Cent said... 922 00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:45,818 I ain't did it. Cartoon ain't did it. Leave us the fuck alone. 923 00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,154 [man] If you go on a talk show, you have a big story to tell. 924 00:40:48,237 --> 00:40:49,321 I get my tattoo done... 925 00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:53,075 -[man] That tattoo artist got- -Yeah, on my back. And they're harassing. 926 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,118 We ain't going nowhere. 927 00:40:54,201 --> 00:40:55,536 {\an8}He's a friend of mine from Virginia, 928 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,663 {\an8}but he's going to see this shit and that's gonna be it. 929 00:40:57,746 --> 00:40:59,707 To flip dough {\an8}To get more for sho' 930 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,500 Get my drink on Then get on the dance floor 931 00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:04,962 {\an8}Did you ever get anybody, like, right at this point, "Wait, I wanna change it"? 932 00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:08,048 All you need now is, uh, Mister Cartoon's signature. 933 00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:08,966 [laughs] 934 00:41:09,049 --> 00:41:10,676 [Nas] What's up, y'all? It's Nas. 935 00:41:10,759 --> 00:41:13,053 {\an8}Chillin' up here with my man Cartoon. 936 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:14,722 [Method] Hey, yo, this is Meth right here. 937 00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:18,350 {\an8}I just got a tattoo done by the world-famous Cartoon. 938 00:41:18,434 --> 00:41:19,935 {\an8}-Cartoon. -Cartoon, baby. 939 00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:22,688 {\an8}-What? -[tattoo machine buzzing] 940 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,941 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 941 00:41:30,571 --> 00:41:32,615 [Travis] Cartoon is... 942 00:41:32,698 --> 00:41:33,574 just an OG. 943 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,284 He's one of the illest. 944 00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:38,370 Cartoon really made black and gray popular again. 945 00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:42,249 I'd sit down with Cartoon, and we really wouldn't even have a plan. 946 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,293 I would trust him to just go freehand. 947 00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:45,628 [soft music playing] 948 00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:48,797 I had an appointment with Cartoon. We all came to my spot in Corona. 949 00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,674 We had just met, but it felt, like, you know, 950 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,718 we had all been homies for a long time. 951 00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:54,136 [Cartoon] We got the kids with us, 952 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:56,096 we're taking the whole families, Fourth of July. 953 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,599 {\an8}[Travis] The first tattoo Cartoon did on me was 954 00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:00,059 praying hands on the side of my head. 955 00:42:00,142 --> 00:42:02,144 It said, "Barker," like my family name. 956 00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:03,187 [tattoo machine buzzing] 957 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:05,231 It was like therapy or something, you know. 958 00:42:05,314 --> 00:42:07,983 Just sitting with Toons, you don't even realize you're getting tattooed. 959 00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:11,320 I think the next tattoos he did 960 00:42:11,403 --> 00:42:13,864 was he started filling in my ghetto blaster. 961 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:16,075 He also did this Marilyn piece 962 00:42:16,158 --> 00:42:18,494 right on my Adam's apple, that one's a hard one. 963 00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:20,829 {\an8}Look at that shit. 964 00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:23,249 My son was born, and we were recording the new record, 965 00:42:23,332 --> 00:42:24,792 and I'd decided that I wanted to get 966 00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:26,835 my wife and son's name tattooed, and Travis said... 967 00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:28,629 "Then you gotta go to Cartoon, he's the best." 968 00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:32,550 And we were literally set up on a road case in the living room 969 00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:34,176 with all my bass equipment in it. 970 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,470 And I was nervous about getting my first tattoos. 971 00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:38,430 I remember just as he was about to start, he said, 972 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:39,890 "Hey, man, I wanna give you props." 973 00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,976 [Cartoon] Being the first-class guy you are, you picked 974 00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:44,144 one of the more painful spots to get tattooed. 975 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,729 [both chuckle] 976 00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,940 [chuckles] And he started tattooing "Jack." 977 00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:49,817 And about halfway through "Jack," 978 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,069 I didn't know that the wife was gonna happen at all. 979 00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:53,821 These are still the only tattoos that I have. 980 00:42:53,904 --> 00:42:56,031 I don't know, being tattooed by Cartoon 981 00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:57,992 kind of feels like you're in an exclusive club? 982 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,202 Anybody who has Cartoon tats, 983 00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:02,621 of any significance, he's like... your brothers. 984 00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:04,206 Now I'm brothers with 50 Cent, 985 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,250 Eminem, Beyoncé, and everybody else. 986 00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,878 [Roger] Cartoon is instrumental in bringing his tattoo style 987 00:43:09,962 --> 00:43:13,173 {\an8}into the mainstream for a really simple reason. 988 00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:15,676 {\an8}He's tattooing celebrities, 989 00:43:15,759 --> 00:43:17,386 {\an8}he's tattooing athletes. 990 00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:18,929 Those people are photographed. 991 00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:21,515 You see those tattoos. Those people are everywhere. 992 00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:25,227 [Dallas] I was lucky enough to go to my first World Series and win it. 993 00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:27,688 {\an8}I wanted that to stay with me for the rest of my life. 994 00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:29,356 So I wanted Toons. 995 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,736 Being a tattoo artist, our heroes were working out their kitchen 996 00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:35,738 or their garage at their mom's house. 997 00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:41,994 They hadn't been to really a red-carpet level at that point. 998 00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:44,413 There was some tattooers that was higher than others 999 00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:45,664 that we looked up to... 1000 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:50,628 but it wasn't set up that that was the jewelry of an NBA player. 1001 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,380 -[commentator 1] Kobe! -[commentator 2] Attacking. All the way! 1002 00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:55,633 [commentator 1] Kobe did it! 1003 00:43:55,716 --> 00:43:58,427 {\an8}Tattoos are a big thing in NBA. 1004 00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:01,305 {\an8}I mean, not just in NBA, but just in sports culture in general. 1005 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:02,640 You know, I always said-- 1006 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:04,600 'Cause I had guys on the team that had tattoos, 1007 00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:07,645 but they didn't go to Mister Cartoon, and it becomes pretty apparent 1008 00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:09,938 because I can't read what the fuck's on their arm anyway. 1009 00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:13,317 [Cartoon] A lot of it is not how good of a tattooer you are. 1010 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,610 It's your timing 1011 00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:17,279 {\an8}and who you surround yourself by. 1012 00:44:17,363 --> 00:44:19,823 {\an8}You could be the dopest motherfucker in the world, 1013 00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,118 but if no one sees your shit 'cause you're in some small town somewhere, 1014 00:44:23,535 --> 00:44:24,995 {\an8}that's not Hollywood. 1015 00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,206 [soft music playing] 1016 00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:29,124 [Cartoon] We're right here in the mix of the shit. 1017 00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:34,713 [soft music playing] 1018 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:36,924 I was in China. We were staying at a hotel. 1019 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:38,217 I went down to the weight room. 1020 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,427 There was a young woman working behind the desk, right? 1021 00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:41,720 They have a policy. 1022 00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:44,723 If you have tattoos on your arms, you have to wear long sleeves. 1023 00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:46,183 I'm like, "What?" 1024 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:48,686 She says, "I'm sorry, you have to put on long sleeves." 1025 00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:49,937 And she goes, 1026 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,147 "But that's Mister Cartoon, right? He did the artwork." 1027 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:54,274 I'm like, "Dude, how did you know that's Mister Cartoon 1028 00:44:54,358 --> 00:44:55,734 but you know, I can't--?" You know. 1029 00:44:55,818 --> 00:44:58,028 But she knew that was Mister Cartoon's artwork. 1030 00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:01,573 This is a young woman in Beijing. It's so far removed from LA. 1031 00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:02,866 That's big. 1032 00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:05,244 Waiting on Paul Rosenberg... 1033 00:45:06,578 --> 00:45:07,830 manager of the stars, 1034 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:09,581 Eminem. 1035 00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:10,624 [clicks tongue] 1036 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,876 Paul, being the person he is, 1037 00:45:13,043 --> 00:45:15,713 recognized Estevan and his photography skills, 1038 00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:18,674 and Cartoon with his art skills and packaging. 1039 00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:20,008 {\an8}I certainly figured out 1040 00:45:20,134 --> 00:45:22,720 ways to maximize having access to them. 1041 00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:25,264 You know, everything, from working with Eminem... 1042 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,807 You see Big Lepke? 1043 00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:29,017 {\an8}...and designing the Shady Records' logo. 1044 00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:35,774 [Cartoon] When I was doing the portrait of Eminem's daughter, 1045 00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,026 I knew it was big, but I didn't know how. 1046 00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:39,236 You know what I'm saying? 1047 00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:42,489 You know, I wasn't looking at the major impact 1048 00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:43,907 that it would have later. 1049 00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,160 I was just doing what was in front of me. 1050 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:50,205 Or even worse, they can teach hate 1051 00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:51,498 It's like these kids 1052 00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:53,292 Eminem video shoot. 1053 00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:56,920 Waiting on doing some tattoos on the homie. 1054 00:45:57,921 --> 00:46:01,592 [Eminem] They came to Detroit, and he said, "We should do a mushroom." 1055 00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:04,094 He said-- He was like, "I can do a big-ass mushroom." 1056 00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:05,596 [imitates tattoo machine] 1057 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,222 He did all-- my whole sleeves. 1058 00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,350 I don't know, I got them removed since then. I'm kidding. 1059 00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,936 I wanna get something like this over here, 1060 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:14,980 but just-- I wanna make sure that it's the right shit 1061 00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:16,648 'cause tattoos are for life. 1062 00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:19,610 [Cartoon] You know, We could bust something out like your-- 1063 00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:21,945 Your daughter's portrait. 1064 00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:25,199 Right here, I would probably put something around this 1065 00:46:25,282 --> 00:46:26,742 to beefen it up a little bit. 1066 00:46:26,825 --> 00:46:27,701 Right. 1067 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:31,872 [Cartoon] And maybe put another ribbon and kind of tie it into the other side. 1068 00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:34,291 It's so crazy. 1069 00:46:34,374 --> 00:46:37,336 [tattoo machine buzzing] 1070 00:46:37,419 --> 00:46:40,798 One of the things was Hailie. I wanted to put her on my arm. 1071 00:46:40,881 --> 00:46:42,382 [tattoo machine buzzing] 1072 00:46:42,466 --> 00:46:44,301 [Cartoon] You should just outline... 1073 00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:46,845 [Estevan] My favorite rappers were getting tattooed. 1074 00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:48,514 Like, that shit trips you out. 1075 00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,432 Let me put some bullet holes. 1076 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,186 [tattoo machine buzzing] 1077 00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:56,730 [Estevan] I remember being in the bathroom 1078 00:46:56,814 --> 00:47:01,109 and I was tripping out that I was the only person there 1079 00:47:01,193 --> 00:47:03,403 documenting Cartoon tattooing 1080 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:06,240 the biggest artist in the world at that time. 1081 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:09,535 ["I'm Back" by Eminem playing] 1082 00:47:09,618 --> 00:47:10,744 [yells] 1083 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:17,000 -♪ That's why -[audience] ♪ They call me Slim Shady 1084 00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:19,336 [continues singing] 1085 00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:22,422 [Estevan] I remember, man, I'm getting those shots 1086 00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:26,093 of the greatest of all times in our lifetime, 1087 00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:29,721 like the number one celebrity, artist, 1088 00:47:29,805 --> 00:47:31,348 anything in the world. 1089 00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,225 And I was there documenting it, 1090 00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:34,726 I wished, I remember, like, 1091 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:37,479 kind of like smiling in the mirror, like I was happy. 1092 00:47:38,146 --> 00:47:40,065 I got a question I wanna ask you. 1093 00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:43,777 How many people are sick... 1094 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,157 of motherfuckers talking shit about me? 1095 00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:52,953 [crowd cheering] 1096 00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:54,872 [Estevan] And it was a cool feeling, you know? 1097 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:58,041 It made me, like, think of all the times when there was, like, 1098 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,752 a picture of Elvis Presley getting his hair cut 1099 00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:03,005 and it's just him and the barber. 1100 00:48:03,088 --> 00:48:06,800 Damn, that photographer had some crazy-ass access, you know? 1101 00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:08,552 Oh, yeah, get one of those too. 1102 00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:10,137 You have to put that shit on your back. 1103 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:13,140 {\an8}[tattoo machine buzzing] 1104 00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:15,934 {\an8}Cartoon. Big Cartoon. 1105 00:48:16,018 --> 00:48:17,311 Call him Big Cartoon now. 1106 00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:18,645 Guy's good, man. 1107 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:19,855 He's pretty decent. 1108 00:48:21,523 --> 00:48:25,193 [Cartoon] Estevan's eye for seeing what angle to shoot something... 1109 00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:29,364 how to bring someone's best look out of them. 1110 00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:30,949 [camera shutter clicking] 1111 00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:33,952 [Cartoon] A lot of other photographers, that's what they don't understand. 1112 00:48:34,828 --> 00:48:36,705 They don't know how to make someone look good. 1113 00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:40,918 [presenter] George Lopez! 1114 00:48:41,001 --> 00:48:43,170 [people cheering] 1115 00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:45,756 [George] When I got my star in the Walk of Fame, Estevan came over 1116 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,591 and took this fucking amazing picture of me 1117 00:48:47,674 --> 00:48:49,009 surrounded by the fans, 1118 00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:51,303 and thousands of people, maybe a couple thousand people. 1119 00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,388 And to get that, 1120 00:48:53,472 --> 00:48:55,766 of me and my suit, of me with the flag, 1121 00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:57,768 of me surrounded by, you know, 1122 00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:01,355 other Latinos right there on Hollywood Boulevard was-- It was great. 1123 00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:02,940 [soft music playing] 1124 00:49:06,568 --> 00:49:09,112 [Cartoon] Same thing, that's why he gets a lot of jobs in hip-hop. 1125 00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:12,240 'Cause he knows hip-hop. 1126 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:15,327 Grew up in that shit. 1127 00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,789 So it's better for someone from the inside 1128 00:49:19,331 --> 00:49:21,500 to shoot the outside, you know? 1129 00:49:24,670 --> 00:49:28,298 On my Ego Trippin' cover, me and Estevan, 1130 00:49:28,382 --> 00:49:30,884 we went back to my old high school, Poly High School, 1131 00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:34,346 got an old B210 like I used to have in high school, 1132 00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,889 had on my Letterman jacket, 1133 00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:37,891 and it just felt like I was in high school. 1134 00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:38,976 That shit was hard. 1135 00:49:39,518 --> 00:49:42,104 But only he could capture what I wanted. 1136 00:49:42,187 --> 00:49:44,982 This is an era when Dogg didn't have money. 1137 00:49:45,524 --> 00:49:46,566 He understood that. 1138 00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:50,237 Shoot Snoop Doggy Dogg. Snoop Doggy fizzle fizzle. 1139 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,947 [upbeat music playing] 1140 00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:56,660 [camera shutter clicks] 1141 00:49:56,743 --> 00:50:00,789 {\an8}If Estevan did your album cover, Cartoon was doing the artwork. 1142 00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:04,042 [Cartoon] Some people try to do everything by themselves. 1143 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:06,837 We just did different ends of the table. 1144 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,548 He covered photography 1145 00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,592 while I would do the logo, I would draw the concept. 1146 00:50:12,676 --> 00:50:14,469 [upbeat music playing] 1147 00:50:28,191 --> 00:50:32,237 I've seen this, when they're snapping 400 pictures to get some shit, 1148 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,031 and I've seen this guy walk out... 1149 00:50:35,824 --> 00:50:36,658 Bam. 1150 00:50:36,742 --> 00:50:38,201 Stand against that wall. Click. 1151 00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:40,162 And then you see it, it could be an album cover 1152 00:50:40,245 --> 00:50:41,955 {\an8}or, like, the cover of a magazine. 1153 00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:45,751 [upbeat music playing] 1154 00:50:50,338 --> 00:50:53,383 You feel like you're being directed, like you're in the hands of the director. 1155 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:55,927 I love it when a director knows exactly what he wants 1156 00:50:56,011 --> 00:50:58,096 and he says, "Look, this is what I want." 1157 00:50:58,180 --> 00:51:02,267 Okay, cool. You got hired to direct me, I got hired to act. 1158 00:51:04,102 --> 00:51:07,981 I was around lowriders and gangsters, and I was around hip-hop. 1159 00:51:08,065 --> 00:51:09,900 With both of those comes girls. 1160 00:51:09,983 --> 00:51:10,901 [girls screaming] 1161 00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:12,235 [Estevan] LA culture. 1162 00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:15,405 Like, I get Estevan's book. Wow. 1163 00:51:15,489 --> 00:51:16,615 [camera shutter clicks] 1164 00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:20,285 [sexy music playing] 1165 00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:26,249 {\an8}I always thought my dad's work was very inspiring. 1166 00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:31,004 For girls, like, he just captures beauty, like, so perfectly. 1167 00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:33,590 [sexy music playing] 1168 00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:37,135 [Cartoon] A lot of the art too comes from jail, 1169 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:39,387 where guys are sitting in a cell 1170 00:51:39,471 --> 00:51:41,681 and fantasizing about their girl. 1171 00:51:42,224 --> 00:51:43,517 I always looked at it 1172 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,436 as really uplifting women. 1173 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,189 They may not have any clothes on, or they'd be topless. 1174 00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:52,776 I think as an artist, I always looked at the beauty of it, 1175 00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:55,237 but knowing who to shoot, 1176 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:58,281 where to shoot, when to shoot, 1177 00:51:58,365 --> 00:52:00,659 you look at that, you're like, "That shit's real." 1178 00:52:01,368 --> 00:52:02,994 [over phone] {\an8}If I wasn't shooting LA culture, 1179 00:52:03,078 --> 00:52:05,831 {\an8}I was going on tour with bands like Blink-182, 1180 00:52:05,914 --> 00:52:07,874 {\an8}only I wasn't a road manager anymore. 1181 00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:12,170 [Travis] Right about the time we went on that tour to Iraq and Europe, 1182 00:52:12,254 --> 00:52:14,506 touring was, like, more fun when you brought friends. 1183 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:17,467 Having Estevan out there was so fun. 1184 00:52:17,551 --> 00:52:20,178 It is freezing like a motherfucker in Paris. 1185 00:52:20,262 --> 00:52:23,348 [Mark] The tour that Estevan came with us in Europe 1186 00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:26,393 {\an8}was a very difficult time 1187 00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:27,811 in Blink's history. 1188 00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:29,271 We were arguing... 1189 00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:31,565 the entire tour. 1190 00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,859 Leave me fucking be! I'm fucking tired! 1191 00:52:33,942 --> 00:52:36,695 [rock music playing] 1192 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:41,074 [crowd cheering] 1193 00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:43,076 -[Travis] How was that? -[Estevan] It was the shit. 1194 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,911 -That was fun, right? -[Estevan] Hell, yeah. 1195 00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:46,204 [laughter] 1196 00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:50,375 [Mark] The last show that we played before the band broke up the first time, 1197 00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:52,669 we finished the last note, and I thought to myself, 1198 00:52:52,752 --> 00:52:56,006 "This is probably gonna be the last show. This feels like the end of something." 1199 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,175 And Estevan came on stage and said, 1200 00:52:58,258 --> 00:53:00,135 "Hey, I wanna get a shot of the three of you guys." 1201 00:53:00,218 --> 00:53:01,970 And it's actually on our Greatest Hits album 1202 00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:03,221 that came out after that. 1203 00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:07,517 It goes back to Estevan's ethos 1204 00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,644 of putting himself in these situations 1205 00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:13,356 where he is able to document things that are happening with other people. 1206 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,275 {\an8}[helicopters whirring] 1207 00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:17,235 {\an8}[shouting] 1208 00:53:25,035 --> 00:53:28,496 {\an8}The United States and our allies have prevailed. 1209 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,207 [cheering] 1210 00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:32,876 {\an8}[Mark] Estevan came with us when we went overseas 1211 00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:35,629 to the Middle East to meet and perform for the troops. 1212 00:53:36,296 --> 00:53:40,133 [Travis] When we got to Iraq, everyone was kind of shook about going there 1213 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:41,509 'cause the war had just started. 1214 00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,386 I don't have any idea what to expect. 1215 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,055 I'm just going in, having this adventure. 1216 00:53:45,138 --> 00:53:46,348 It's really cool. 1217 00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:47,974 It was scary, 1218 00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:49,976 {\an8}it was hot, it was dusty. 1219 00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:52,395 It was like five or six days 1220 00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,731 of being transported to an entirely different world. 1221 00:53:55,148 --> 00:53:55,982 It's like a movie. 1222 00:53:56,066 --> 00:53:57,817 [Mark] We were on a nuclear submarine 1223 00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,238 literally crawling in the torpedo tubes. 1224 00:54:02,864 --> 00:54:06,534 [Travis] So that whole trip was fireworks. It was scary as fuck. 1225 00:54:06,618 --> 00:54:08,411 It was definitely an eye-opening experience. 1226 00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:09,788 Travis, what's your job, Travis? 1227 00:54:09,871 --> 00:54:11,915 -I play the drums. -Drummer, all right. How are you? 1228 00:54:11,998 --> 00:54:13,667 Don't hit the torpedo buttons. 1229 00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:15,794 [Mark] You fire torpedoes? You shot one? 1230 00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:17,337 -I shot one. -[Mark] Cool. 1231 00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:21,508 We were in a marine forward base on the border of Iraq. 1232 00:54:21,591 --> 00:54:24,094 [man] We got Blink-182 in the house! 1233 00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:26,596 [applause] 1234 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,473 -[man] Don't turn the key on. -[Travis] I won't. 1235 00:54:28,556 --> 00:54:30,225 I guess things were getting heated, 1236 00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,269 so we took a COD plane 1237 00:54:32,352 --> 00:54:33,728 that boomeranged us 1238 00:54:33,812 --> 00:54:35,981 off of the aircraft carrier. 1239 00:54:36,064 --> 00:54:38,441 [Mark] But it was insane. I was really glad that he was there 1240 00:54:38,566 --> 00:54:39,734 to get those photos. 1241 00:54:39,818 --> 00:54:43,280 [upbeat music playing] 1242 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:50,662 As a lot of photographers were breaking into digital photography, 1243 00:54:50,745 --> 00:54:53,206 Estevan stuck to film 1244 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:55,292 and the development process. 1245 00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:57,502 Because it's grainy and it looks like film, 1246 00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,963 it's a document of one specific moment. 1247 00:55:00,046 --> 00:55:02,716 Before you know it, you know, Estevan was doing more directing. 1248 00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:04,926 {\an8}Started to do mad videos for everybody. 1249 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,387 {\an8} Hold you down 1250 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,097 {\an8}[white noise] 1251 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:12,058 {\an8}[Eminem] Estevan did the first D12 video we ever shot. 1252 00:55:12,142 --> 00:55:15,645 It was supposed to be a gritty, grimy-looking video, 1253 00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:18,231 and Estevan captured that perfectly. 1254 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,358 ["Shit On You" by D12 playing] 1255 00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:22,944 {\an8}I know we shot the outside of the house, the Dresden house, 1256 00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:25,989 {\an8}but I'm pretty sure we shot the inside of it too. 1257 00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:27,574 I'm like, "Yeah, that's the bathroom." 1258 00:55:30,493 --> 00:55:33,747 It wasn't really a lot of fun dressing up... 1259 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,082 like Richard Simmons. 1260 00:55:36,666 --> 00:55:38,585 But, hey, man, at that point in time, 1261 00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:40,462 I was doing whatever it took. 1262 00:55:40,545 --> 00:55:42,630 He directed a couple of Cypress videos. 1263 00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:44,716 {\an8} Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb 1264 00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:47,052 {\an8} Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb 1265 00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:48,261 {\an8} I'd like to tell you... 1266 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,598 {\an8}[Sen] You know, we had the same ideas, we grew up in the same part of the planet, 1267 00:55:51,681 --> 00:55:54,059 {\an8}so it wasn't hard for him to know what we were gonna like 1268 00:55:54,142 --> 00:55:55,643 and what we wanted to see in our videos. 1269 00:55:55,727 --> 00:55:58,063 Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb 1270 00:55:58,146 --> 00:56:00,774 And then, when we went down to Mexico City, in DF, 1271 00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:03,818 {\an8}we had thousands and thousands of kids following us 1272 00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:04,944 {\an8}on the street that day, 1273 00:56:05,028 --> 00:56:06,154 {\an8}and in the midst of it all, 1274 00:56:06,237 --> 00:56:08,740 Estevan was on point the whole time with the camera, you know. 1275 00:56:08,823 --> 00:56:11,117 [in Spanish] Here is something you can't understand 1276 00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:13,161 [Roger] He understood what made a good story 1277 00:56:13,244 --> 00:56:15,455 and he understood what was authentic. 1278 00:56:19,584 --> 00:56:20,543 I like that. 1279 00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:22,670 I'll tell you when, just keep the light on him 1280 00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,214 so when I sweep back around-- 1281 00:56:24,422 --> 00:56:26,132 [Mark] With this video, it was an idea 1282 00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:29,135 that was thought out by the director, Estevan Oriol. 1283 00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:31,888 {\an8}He directed this video that really shook everything up. 1284 00:56:31,971 --> 00:56:33,932 It was really like, "What in the world?" 1285 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:35,683 {\an8}Like it's the real deal. 1286 00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:39,229 {\an8}[Mark] Having him come in and direct a video for us 1287 00:56:39,312 --> 00:56:41,689 {\an8}just, I don't know, brought a really element of cool 1288 00:56:41,773 --> 00:56:43,441 {\an8}that I think was really ahead of its time. 1289 00:56:43,525 --> 00:56:47,612 {\an8}That shit was, like, really amazing. Just the way he-- His style. 1290 00:56:48,363 --> 00:56:51,991 [Travis] The "Down" video was fun. It was the first time I ever met Trigz. 1291 00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:56,287 It was I think the first time we ever brought Mark and Tom to the hood. 1292 00:56:56,371 --> 00:56:58,373 [chuckling] I think they were tripping a little bit. 1293 00:56:58,915 --> 00:57:02,001 [Terry] He put me in the Blink-182 video. 1294 00:57:02,085 --> 00:57:02,961 As a cop. 1295 00:57:03,044 --> 00:57:04,921 What I loved was the authenticity. 1296 00:57:05,004 --> 00:57:07,924 Here was an example of the culture 1297 00:57:08,007 --> 00:57:09,801 needing another voice. 1298 00:57:09,884 --> 00:57:11,636 Here I was this cop after this guy, 1299 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,596 he's on the run, and there was a helicopter. 1300 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640 You know, shot in the LA Basin and... 1301 00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:17,517 There were people in the video 1302 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,561 that looked like for real LA. 1303 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:24,065 [Travis] But that was fun, man, that video came out so cool and it had... 1304 00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:27,026 just a different energy than anything we ever did and... 1305 00:57:27,527 --> 00:57:29,863 Estevan just really killed the visual. 1306 00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:34,742 [helicopter whirring] 1307 00:57:44,419 --> 00:57:46,337 [Estevan] You ready? Let's set up the shot. 1308 00:57:46,421 --> 00:57:48,006 [producer] Are you gonna sit on the chair? 1309 00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,799 -[Estevan] Can I direct? -[producer] Yes, sir. 1310 00:57:49,883 --> 00:57:51,509 Don't follow me. You're gonna be on the shot. 1311 00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:54,262 -[producer] Tell me what you're gonna do. -I'm gonna make a documentary 1312 00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:55,805 and talk about the Sixth Street Bridge. 1313 00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:57,348 -Ready? -[producer] Yes. 1314 00:57:57,432 --> 00:57:59,476 Okay, so, we're sitting right here 1315 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,729 at what was formerly known as the Sixth Street Bridge. 1316 00:58:02,937 --> 00:58:04,981 So you see these pieces right here? 1317 00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:08,860 There was two arches. They were part of the bridge. 1318 00:58:08,943 --> 00:58:10,028 That's them now. 1319 00:58:10,987 --> 00:58:13,364 I have 20 years of photos 1320 00:58:13,573 --> 00:58:15,158 of this street 1321 00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:17,660 and where this bridge was, and that bridge. 1322 00:58:17,744 --> 00:58:19,037 And they're gonna redo it. 1323 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,247 They're gonna have a poodle park here, 1324 00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:23,541 a cappuccino bar, a juice bar. 1325 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:25,376 This whole area is changing. 1326 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,545 [clicking] 1327 00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:32,842 {\an8}[Estevan] This was the access way to the LA River. 1328 00:58:33,176 --> 00:58:35,512 And this was like our playground, our stomping ground. 1329 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,015 I had a lot of good photo shoots here, a lot of good times. 1330 00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:40,225 Get it out of the street. 1331 00:58:40,308 --> 00:58:44,020 [Estevan] I was shooting a lot of women, gangsters, and lowriders, 1332 00:58:44,103 --> 00:58:46,064 'cause, you know, that's what I was around. 1333 00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,525 ["Gin And Juice" by Snoop Dogg playing] 1334 00:58:49,108 --> 00:58:50,902 Aye, baby, aye, baby 1335 00:58:50,985 --> 00:58:54,197 Aye, baby, get some bubblegum In this motherfucker or somethin'... 1336 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,783 [Estevan] I don't know what it is about California, man. 1337 00:58:57,325 --> 00:59:01,412 Don't let the palm trees and the white picket fences fool you. 1338 00:59:01,496 --> 00:59:03,498 There's wrought iron on the windows 1339 00:59:03,581 --> 00:59:06,042 and the murder rate is through the roof, you know. 1340 00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:09,420 [man] Perrito, don't worry about nothing. I got this. 1341 00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:10,588 [man 2] Are we keeping score? 1342 00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:13,341 [indistinct chatter] 1343 00:59:13,424 --> 00:59:14,384 Hey, man. 1344 00:59:16,052 --> 00:59:17,929 Pass already, dog. [chuckles] 1345 00:59:18,846 --> 00:59:21,891 [Estevan] I was shooting this girl that was a gang member. 1346 00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:23,268 She just threw up LA. 1347 00:59:23,351 --> 00:59:24,310 [Baldacci] LA, baby. 1348 00:59:24,394 --> 00:59:27,480 And I went in and just took two frames of the LA. 1349 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:29,941 I got bitches in the living room Gettin' it on... 1350 00:59:30,024 --> 00:59:32,110 He caught it first. A lot of the photographers 1351 00:59:32,193 --> 00:59:36,573 didn't know some of that type of finger lingo, if you will, you know, 1352 00:59:36,656 --> 00:59:38,408 when you throw up the West Coast 1353 00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,910 or you throw up LA, whatever clique you're from. 1354 00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:43,204 {\an8}A lot of people didn't wanna use that photo. 1355 00:59:43,288 --> 00:59:45,039 They said it was too gang-related. 1356 00:59:45,123 --> 00:59:46,541 [Estevan] At that time, 1357 00:59:46,624 --> 00:59:49,210 if the wrong person saw you doing that, 1358 00:59:49,294 --> 00:59:52,088 you'd get beat up, or shot at or fucking stabbed. 1359 00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:53,590 Throwing up the L and the A like that, 1360 00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:55,508 that was something that we did back in the day. 1361 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,428 [B-Real] And that was the first representation of it. 1362 00:59:58,511 --> 01:00:01,014 [Sen] Now it's a global thing where kids in other countries 1363 01:00:01,097 --> 01:00:03,391 send me pictures of them throwing up that sign. 1364 01:00:03,474 --> 01:00:05,143 That's pretty cool, man. You know what I mean? 1365 01:00:05,226 --> 01:00:06,644 His LA hands photo? 1366 01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:07,687 That's Estevan. 1367 01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:10,273 That shit's been copied so much. 1368 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:12,650 So many times. Ripped off. 1369 01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:14,277 Many have tried to bite it. 1370 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,863 {\an8}[Pat] I see the LA hands, and I know it's a bootleg. 1371 01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:18,948 Starbucks is ripping him off. Gosh! 1372 01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:20,199 {\an8}The H&M thing? 1373 01:00:20,283 --> 01:00:22,785 {\an8}To steal from artists like that, their images. 1374 01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:24,037 They have it on T-shirts. 1375 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:26,914 {\an8}[chuckling] The LA symbol's notorious. 1376 01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:29,667 [Estevan] Everybody, you know, and their mom, was doing it. 1377 01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:31,919 -[Angel Baby] The Mayor's throwing it up. -Boom! 1378 01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,590 People gonna copy it, people gonna try it, but we all know where it came from. 1379 01:00:35,673 --> 01:00:39,469 I advise everybody to dig into the roots of anything they do 1380 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:42,930 and see where it came from and pay homage to the person before them. 1381 01:00:43,014 --> 01:00:45,767 [B-Real] It was iconic. It's an iconic picture. 1382 01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:49,020 [sad music playing] 1383 01:00:49,103 --> 01:00:52,899 [Cartoon] One of the things that is there with Chicano art 1384 01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:54,192 is violence, 1385 01:00:54,692 --> 01:00:55,985 {\an8}is poverty, 1386 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:57,820 is addiction, 1387 01:00:58,404 --> 01:00:59,822 alcoholism. 1388 01:01:01,074 --> 01:01:04,327 [slow music playing] 1389 01:01:05,411 --> 01:01:08,247 [Lepke] When I met Estevan, I was struggling through a lot of relapses. 1390 01:01:08,331 --> 01:01:12,168 We were in a motel, and I called Estevan. I go, "Hey, I'm on a good one, man. 1391 01:01:12,251 --> 01:01:14,504 You wanna film some footage? So why don't you come on through, 1392 01:01:14,587 --> 01:01:16,839 because we got it going on real good right here." 1393 01:01:16,923 --> 01:01:19,676 I had every drug in my system, 'cause I don't discriminate. 1394 01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:21,469 I just went on a binge. 1395 01:01:21,552 --> 01:01:23,971 A simple binge. Everybody does it once in a while. 1396 01:01:24,055 --> 01:01:27,225 You know, some people binge on donuts. Some people binge on heroin. 1397 01:01:28,518 --> 01:01:30,478 This is some new shit I came across. 1398 01:01:31,604 --> 01:01:33,481 These are five-dollar bolsas. 1399 01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:35,149 I love it. There's no excuse. 1400 01:01:35,233 --> 01:01:37,860 I love to get high on this. I love the feeling I get from it. 1401 01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:42,615 If you don't cook it right, it fucks your stomach good. 1402 01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:45,702 [hip-hop music playing] 1403 01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:50,498 This is the picture they took of the heroin 1404 01:01:50,581 --> 01:01:53,626 that wasn't getting me high no more with the syringe, the crack pipe, 1405 01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:55,962 and I don't know why I had the nail clipper there. 1406 01:01:56,045 --> 01:01:57,255 God only knows, right? 1407 01:01:57,588 --> 01:01:59,215 [hip-hop music playing] 1408 01:02:01,217 --> 01:02:03,302 Estevan could take me into the lab 1409 01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:05,513 and pull out all these pictures and I'll go, 1410 01:02:05,596 --> 01:02:08,474 "What the fuck? Are you serious, bro?" 1411 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:15,022 I looked like an Ethiopian research monkey. 1412 01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:19,485 I don't even know why I'm alive today. 1413 01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:22,029 For some good reason, the good Lord didn't drop me 1414 01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:23,406 and put me on my back. 1415 01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:25,700 Sometimes, I sell real shit. Sometimes-- 1416 01:02:26,492 --> 01:02:29,036 And I was in a bad stage right here. 1417 01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:31,497 And those are balloons of heroin in my mouth. 1418 01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:33,666 I sell fake shit. All this is fake. 1419 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,625 This is all fake. 1420 01:02:34,709 --> 01:02:36,753 Either way, this is getting sold, all right? 1421 01:02:36,836 --> 01:02:39,088 Because, see, you can't buy drugs on the street. 1422 01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:41,340 That's illegal. You can't sell them. It's illegal. 1423 01:02:41,424 --> 01:02:43,634 There's no drugs in here. So it's a bungle case. 1424 01:02:43,718 --> 01:02:46,095 So the proof is in the pudding, ladies and gentlemen. 1425 01:02:46,554 --> 01:02:48,389 [Scott] If you wanna know the real street culture 1426 01:02:48,473 --> 01:02:51,058 and that street life, open one of Estevan's books. 1427 01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:54,270 And this is where it leads to. Everything leads to this picture. 1428 01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:56,647 This is 2003, 1429 01:02:56,731 --> 01:02:58,983 July 9th or 8th, I believe. 1430 01:02:59,066 --> 01:03:02,403 I got shot in front of the Econo Lodge hotel. 1431 01:03:02,487 --> 01:03:05,490 From where you're at, from where the camera's at, they shot me six times. 1432 01:03:05,573 --> 01:03:06,866 [Lepke] I took five bullets there. 1433 01:03:06,949 --> 01:03:08,910 And they came and told me I didn't have insurance, 1434 01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:12,079 so five days after that, I walked out, caught walking pneumonia, almost died, 1435 01:03:12,163 --> 01:03:15,124 and then went back and had to stay another additional 30 days. 1436 01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:18,294 See? Karma hits, 'cause I was supposed to be doing Estevan a favor 1437 01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:19,337 and moving somebody. 1438 01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:20,671 See how that works? 1439 01:03:20,963 --> 01:03:23,549 {\an8}[Cartoon] The '90s were very, very violent. 1440 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:26,135 {\an8}You saw the peak of gang violence. 1441 01:03:26,385 --> 01:03:30,097 You saw people that were there that seen enemies they didn't like, 1442 01:03:30,181 --> 01:03:31,974 they just took off on them right there. 1443 01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:34,560 {\an8}You could hear the bullets going by. [imitates bullets] 1444 01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:38,481 They were trying to stop here, homie. They were coming too fast. 1445 01:03:38,564 --> 01:03:41,901 So they stopped right here. And they went just like, "Hey, homie." 1446 01:03:41,984 --> 01:03:42,860 [imitates gunshot] 1447 01:03:42,944 --> 01:03:44,070 Man! [imitates gunshot] 1448 01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:45,530 I hit the floor quick, eh. 1449 01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:47,114 [Estevan] Why were they shooting at you? 1450 01:03:47,198 --> 01:03:48,908 [man] See, this is a black neighborhood, right? 1451 01:03:48,991 --> 01:03:51,702 I guess they're going at it with a Hispanic gang over there. 1452 01:03:52,245 --> 01:03:53,704 You know what I mean? Look at me, dog. 1453 01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,291 -[man] Look right here, homie. -[man 2] Yeah. 1454 01:03:58,459 --> 01:03:59,710 Word up, son, word 1455 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,757 Yeah 1456 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,301 To all the killers And the hundred-dollar billers 1457 01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:09,554 Yo, I got the phone thing Know I'm sayin' 1458 01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:12,849 For real niggas Who ain't got no feelings, feelings... 1459 01:04:13,099 --> 01:04:14,225 You like that. 1460 01:04:14,767 --> 01:04:17,019 Just watch my back I got the front, yo 1461 01:04:17,103 --> 01:04:18,437 Check it out now 1462 01:04:18,521 --> 01:04:19,689 Right there, West Los. 1463 01:04:19,772 --> 01:04:20,940 School of hard knocks. 1464 01:04:21,023 --> 01:04:22,233 Sometimes hard rocks. 1465 01:04:22,316 --> 01:04:24,110 Hard knocks and cooked rocks. 1466 01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:26,153 From stealin' and dealin' to rollin' and chillin'. 1467 01:04:26,237 --> 01:04:28,322 Smack. Oh, ready. 1468 01:04:28,948 --> 01:04:30,408 Queensbridge murderers 1469 01:04:30,491 --> 01:04:32,785 The Mobb comes equipped for warfare Beware 1470 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:34,328 Of my crime family who got... 1471 01:04:34,412 --> 01:04:36,831 [man] My eagle right here, 'cause I'm Mexican-American. 1472 01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:39,250 I'm American-made, Mexican descent. 1473 01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:40,918 Your brain with your nose bone 1474 01:04:41,002 --> 01:04:43,546 You all alone in these streets, cousin Every man... 1475 01:04:43,629 --> 01:04:46,507 [Speedy] They call me Speedy, one of my fans gave me the name. 1476 01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:48,718 [Baldacci] In there, the tattoo shop is your cell. 1477 01:04:48,801 --> 01:04:51,470 Just a couple of cases of soups and coffee, man, from prison. 1478 01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:54,432 That's what they charge you in there to do this type of thing. 1479 01:04:54,515 --> 01:04:57,602 Nowadays I guess that's just a way to look cool, but... 1480 01:04:57,685 --> 01:04:59,020 All these tattoos right here? 1481 01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:00,479 {\an8}They were basically earned, 1482 01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:02,940 {\an8}they were basically put on me for a reason. 1483 01:05:03,441 --> 01:05:05,818 [Johnny] All my tattoos were done in prison, single needle. 1484 01:05:06,068 --> 01:05:07,236 {\an8}Never got tattooed in a shop. 1485 01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:11,198 {\an8}They were kind of like the old black and gray feel to the ink. 1486 01:05:11,282 --> 01:05:13,159 Don't make me Have to call your name out... 1487 01:05:13,242 --> 01:05:16,078 Some tattoos that some people have, they put them on 1488 01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:19,206 because maybe they were in a lifestyle where a life was lost. 1489 01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:21,167 Not to say that they took the life, 1490 01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:23,419 because we're not gonna say that 'cause we're on camera. 1491 01:05:24,003 --> 01:05:27,048 When I sleeve somebody, they can't go into regular society, 1492 01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:30,259 but little by little, those people will be business owners. 1493 01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:33,721 You know, over the next 10, 20 years, those people that are getting sleeves 1494 01:05:33,804 --> 01:05:36,474 will be business owners and shit will change up for them. 1495 01:05:37,224 --> 01:05:40,853 [Lepke] That's okay. It's a trend now. We got the soccer moms putting tattoos on. 1496 01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,064 They're doing shit that we were looked down on. 1497 01:05:43,147 --> 01:05:45,691 We were putting these tattoos 'cause we were outcasts, 1498 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:48,152 because society rejected us. 1499 01:05:48,235 --> 01:05:51,113 Now they're putting them on because now society accepts it? 1500 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:53,783 So now I might just start taking them all off. 1501 01:05:56,702 --> 01:05:59,205 [Cartoon] We're interested in the darkest shit in life. 1502 01:05:59,413 --> 01:06:01,374 Ghetto bird in the sky... 1503 01:06:02,416 --> 01:06:04,919 homeless shit and drug addicts. 1504 01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:08,631 Watching and observing those cultures, you know what I mean? 1505 01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:11,884 {\an8}What happened to your hand? You got arthritis? 1506 01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,387 {\an8}No, I-- My ex-boyfriend broke it. 1507 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:15,471 [Estevan] Oh, okay. 1508 01:06:15,554 --> 01:06:18,391 Okay, look, if you go out this way, and go on the side, 1509 01:06:18,474 --> 01:06:21,435 go straight all the way down, there's a little alley right there. 1510 01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:22,895 [Estevan] I'll go check it out. 1511 01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:24,647 -Take it easy. -[producer] Bye, thank you. 1512 01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:28,567 [Estevan] When you're in the streets in LA, in the bad neighborhoods, 1513 01:06:28,651 --> 01:06:30,319 it's like your blood is flowing, 1514 01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:32,738 the adrenaline is there. 1515 01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:37,326 When you know that it's an active area and some shit might happen, 1516 01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:40,997 it's kind of like, okay, cool, you know, you gotta be on point, you know. 1517 01:06:41,205 --> 01:06:43,165 Open the eyes on the back of your head, 1518 01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:46,377 'cause if you're just walking around all "ladi da, da," 1519 01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:48,379 you know, like an idiot, you could lose that way. 1520 01:06:48,462 --> 01:06:50,798 They're just looking for someone to fuck with, so... 1521 01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:52,550 Right here, you know what I'm saying? 1522 01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:54,468 Just gotta make sure you're strapped. 1523 01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:57,513 [Estevan] A lot of people we've known have died. 1524 01:06:57,638 --> 01:06:58,514 [shotgun] 1525 01:06:58,597 --> 01:07:00,433 [Estevan] Can't even think of how that would be 1526 01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:01,976 if Cartoon passed away. 1527 01:07:02,059 --> 01:07:04,562 [sad music playing] 1528 01:07:08,065 --> 01:07:10,192 We've had to make out wills before, 1529 01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:13,029 and it was, like, the will went to, like, each other. 1530 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,281 We would look out for each other's family. 1531 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:19,535 Let's see what we have here in this little box. 1532 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:23,956 This is my friend Mono. He passed away. 1533 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,210 He's the guy that introduced me and my wife to each other. 1534 01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:29,170 [D.P.] Oh, yeah? 1535 01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,255 [Estevan] And he introduced Cartoon to his wife. 1536 01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,760 Right here, this is one of my favorite pictures of all times. 1537 01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:37,219 His name was Chato. 1538 01:07:37,303 --> 01:07:38,929 Rest in peace. He died. 1539 01:07:39,346 --> 01:07:40,723 Trigz got shot. 1540 01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:44,643 He got murdered 'cause he got into a fight with somebody. 1541 01:07:44,727 --> 01:07:46,312 Rest in peace. 1542 01:07:46,979 --> 01:07:49,482 This was another guy that was shot. His name was Nene. 1543 01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:53,360 I think he got shot 33 times. 1544 01:07:53,444 --> 01:07:55,738 -[D.P.] What happened to him? -[Estevan] He died. 1545 01:07:56,989 --> 01:07:59,075 You know, I think they're living the life they wanted to 1546 01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,452 and they died doing what they loved doing. 1547 01:08:01,535 --> 01:08:05,039 Those guys were gangsters and they died doing some gangster shit. 1548 01:08:05,122 --> 01:08:07,750 {\an8}[D.P.] So you think they kind of dig being a gangster. 1549 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:08,793 {\an8}They'd rather do that-- 1550 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,253 Yeah, they loved it, or else they wouldn't have been a gangster. 1551 01:08:12,671 --> 01:08:15,800 [in Spanish] {\an8}I spend my time in the hood 1552 01:08:15,883 --> 01:08:19,804 {\an8} That old Florencia district 1553 01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:23,599 {\an8} I don't play games 1554 01:08:23,682 --> 01:08:25,684 {\an8} And if you ask for it 1555 01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:29,230 {\an8} I carry an AK-47 1556 01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,942 {\an8} I was shot five times 1557 01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:36,695 {\an8} And almost lost my life 1558 01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:40,199 {\an8} At the gates of hell 1559 01:08:40,282 --> 01:08:44,370 {\an8} A smiling Devil awaits 1560 01:08:44,995 --> 01:08:48,165 {\an8} These are facts of life 1561 01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:53,420 {\an8} Consequences of this life 1562 01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:59,593 Because everything {\an8}Must be paid for in this world 1563 01:09:00,344 --> 01:09:05,349 I spend my time smoking {\an8}With my homies in the hood 1564 01:09:05,516 --> 01:09:08,561 {\an8} I come from that gangster clique 1565 01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:11,230 {\an8} Don't you dare betray us 1566 01:09:11,313 --> 01:09:13,858 {\an8} I am a man of respect 1567 01:09:13,941 --> 01:09:16,443 {\an8} And my word is worth a lot 1568 01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:19,155 {\an8} Around Converse and Miramonte 1569 01:09:19,238 --> 01:09:21,866 {\an8} I patrol through the night 1570 01:09:26,662 --> 01:09:31,000 ["Darling (Please Bring Your Love)" by Phil and Harv playing] 1571 01:09:32,918 --> 01:09:36,755 Oh, darling 1572 01:09:39,216 --> 01:09:43,846 I'm so blue and lonely 1573 01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:51,353 Want your love here only 1574 01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:56,275 Please... 1575 01:09:56,358 --> 01:09:58,777 [Cartoon] That violence, that poverty, 1576 01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:00,321 that madness, 1577 01:10:00,696 --> 01:10:02,573 {\an8}spawned a beautiful art form 1578 01:10:02,656 --> 01:10:04,366 of music, and tattoos, 1579 01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:06,368 and wall murals, 1580 01:10:06,452 --> 01:10:08,954 pinstripe, and gold leaf. 1581 01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:12,416 Those guys sitting in cells that will never get out 1582 01:10:12,499 --> 01:10:15,377 helped shape an art form, 1583 01:10:15,461 --> 01:10:18,172 this rose out of a crack in the concrete. 1584 01:10:18,756 --> 01:10:21,842 Now you have a new wave of Chicano artists 1585 01:10:21,926 --> 01:10:24,261 that can focus on Chicano pride. 1586 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,806 {\an8}To be Chicano means identifying with your roots. 1587 01:10:28,015 --> 01:10:29,683 [David F., Jr] The number one thing is family. 1588 01:10:29,767 --> 01:10:30,684 It's all about family. 1589 01:10:32,645 --> 01:10:35,397 I want to hold you 1590 01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:37,983 Squeeze you... 1591 01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:40,945 [Michelle] You don't really hear about the heart of a Chicano, 1592 01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,364 but you can see it in a lowrider. 1593 01:10:43,447 --> 01:10:44,990 {\an8}The way we build our cars, 1594 01:10:45,074 --> 01:10:48,118 they're old Benny's thrown away that we pick up and we shine. 1595 01:10:48,661 --> 01:10:51,330 [Michelle] It's almost like watching a Chicano's heart 1596 01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:53,540 being poured out onto paint 1597 01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:56,877 and coating a vehicle with love, you know? 1598 01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:01,423 [Javi] Those people that threw them away wish they had them back 1599 01:11:01,507 --> 01:11:04,426 after they see them all fixed up and clean and shined up. 1600 01:11:04,885 --> 01:11:07,263 {\an8}You don't own a lowrider. You are a lowrider. 1601 01:11:07,388 --> 01:11:10,182 {\an8}Promoting a great culture in America. 1602 01:11:10,683 --> 01:11:13,143 There are people that are incredibly wealthy 1603 01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:16,146 that actually know the culture 1604 01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:18,691 and are admirers of the culture. 1605 01:11:18,816 --> 01:11:21,068 [Bobo] The culture grew to places 1606 01:11:21,151 --> 01:11:22,444 like Japan, Europe, 1607 01:11:22,528 --> 01:11:23,779 South America. 1608 01:11:23,862 --> 01:11:26,448 {\an8}They introduced the whole rest of the world basically 1609 01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:28,325 to the East LA esthetic. 1610 01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:31,578 ["Boo Hoo Hoo" by The Sa Shays playing] 1611 01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:37,751 [Bobo] You go to Japan and you see some of the Japanese kids 1612 01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:39,586 dressing like cholos. 1613 01:11:40,129 --> 01:11:41,171 To the T. 1614 01:11:41,255 --> 01:11:43,048 You would think, they could put on glasses 1615 01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:46,468 and have the whole thing and they could look all "Chicanoed-out" 1616 01:11:46,552 --> 01:11:48,470 until they started to speak. 1617 01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:50,222 Sheeba city ghetto family. 1618 01:11:52,224 --> 01:11:54,476 [Wilmer] Asian culture has become obsessed 1619 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,895 with East LA and lowriding. 1620 01:11:56,979 --> 01:12:00,357 There's a big lowrider scene that's gone around the world. 1621 01:12:00,441 --> 01:12:01,775 [people speaking Japanese] 1622 01:12:01,859 --> 01:12:06,530 [man] Because of what Cartoon and Estevan did with Chicano culture 1623 01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:11,201 and made it so pervasive and popular in Japanese subculture, 1624 01:12:11,285 --> 01:12:15,205 {\an8}it made it even extra cool back here in the States. 1625 01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:19,126 {\an8}And I think a lot of it comes from how pioneering these two gentlemen 1626 01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:20,669 {\an8}have been to the culture. 1627 01:12:21,211 --> 01:12:26,258 [Cartoon] We listen to oldies, we listen to Motown-style, classic soul. 1628 01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:29,970 ["One Like Mine" by The Salas Bros. playing] 1629 01:12:32,431 --> 01:12:36,352 Due to the weather on the West Coast, we wear T-shirts all year long. 1630 01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:38,479 We invented the white tee, 1631 01:12:38,562 --> 01:12:39,897 khakis and Dickies, 1632 01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:41,106 that whole look. 1633 01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:44,360 The West Coast grew up wearing Cortez shoes. 1634 01:12:45,069 --> 01:12:47,237 This is the staple for the West Coast. 1635 01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:49,990 In the '80s, though, it was like a gang-banging shoe. 1636 01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:52,701 Like, you wearing that shoe, people asked you, "Where are you from?" 1637 01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:57,581 I had meditated why it was relevant, 1638 01:12:57,664 --> 01:12:59,458 and why it had to be done. 1639 01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:01,377 My own Nike, period. 1640 01:13:01,835 --> 01:13:03,462 And once I got them in, 1641 01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:04,922 {\an8}it was time to drop, 1642 01:13:05,005 --> 01:13:06,256 {\an8}"I have to do a Cortez," 1643 01:13:06,382 --> 01:13:08,384 paying homage to that era, 1644 01:13:08,467 --> 01:13:10,344 to the NWA era. 1645 01:13:10,969 --> 01:13:12,262 When that happened, 1646 01:13:12,346 --> 01:13:15,224 I was like, "Man, this is fucking amazing. 1647 01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:18,560 I'm gonna design the shoe I grew up wearing." 1648 01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:21,855 It'd be like McDonald's calling you, and be like, 1649 01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:24,191 "You're gonna do your own signature Big Mac. 1650 01:13:24,274 --> 01:13:25,109 Get ready." 1651 01:13:25,192 --> 01:13:27,152 Nike is doing a Mister Cartoon shoe? 1652 01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:28,654 They're giving you a shoe? 1653 01:13:28,737 --> 01:13:30,114 {\an8}And letting you design it? 1654 01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:31,281 It's-- It's crazy. 1655 01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:34,076 There's not a lot of artists out here to have their own Nike shoe. 1656 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,329 [Cartoon] I walk into a business meeting with confidence. 1657 01:13:37,413 --> 01:13:40,499 I walk in like, "I'm-- The boss is here." 1658 01:13:40,999 --> 01:13:43,335 And you convince the client 1659 01:13:43,836 --> 01:13:45,170 that you know what's poppin'. 1660 01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:47,589 This is inspiring to me. 1661 01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:51,135 I can apply that same philosophy to what I'm doing. 1662 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:52,636 My homie did it, I can do it. 1663 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:53,846 Oh, wow. 1664 01:13:53,929 --> 01:13:57,641 Whoa, Mister Cartoon is completely crossing over to a different level, 1665 01:13:57,724 --> 01:13:58,559 you know? 1666 01:13:58,642 --> 01:14:01,520 [Cartoon] I did the LA edition, which was putting the "LA" 1667 01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,772 and having the Nike check go through it. 1668 01:14:04,022 --> 01:14:06,608 The next one I did was the Aztec. 1669 01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:10,112 This was crazy because here I'm doing an Aztec 1670 01:14:10,195 --> 01:14:11,238 on a Cortez. 1671 01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:16,243 So you have the Spaniards coming to New Spain, which was Mexico, 1672 01:14:16,326 --> 01:14:17,995 to bring disease, 1673 01:14:18,078 --> 01:14:21,623 great war between the Spaniards and the Aztecs 1674 01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,585 to create Mexican people. 1675 01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:27,796 So, I had that on a shoe, which is a little heavy, 1676 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,798 you know what I'm saying? For a shoe design. 1677 01:14:30,174 --> 01:14:34,094 And then on the Aztec warrior, I put a brush mustache, 1678 01:14:34,178 --> 01:14:37,181 which is representative of the homies now. 1679 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:39,892 When it finally went through, 1680 01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:41,602 I was blown away. 1681 01:14:41,685 --> 01:14:45,397 I'm surprised every time one of these huge deals goes through. 1682 01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:47,232 So, to balance that, 1683 01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:49,610 it was important that I did outreach. 1684 01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:53,489 Talking to youngsters, explaining to them, 1685 01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:56,033 "Look, I went to LA Unified School, 1686 01:14:56,116 --> 01:14:57,493 and I designed my own shoe. 1687 01:14:57,576 --> 01:14:59,203 What would your shoe look like?" 1688 01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:01,872 And I would ask these kids, and they'd get all shy. 1689 01:15:01,955 --> 01:15:04,750 {\an8}It's beautiful to see that Cartoon can set an example 1690 01:15:04,833 --> 01:15:05,918 {\an8}for these young kids, 1691 01:15:06,126 --> 01:15:08,212 giving kids hope in art. 1692 01:15:08,295 --> 01:15:11,632 [Cartoon] My goal was to motivate them and get them to think, 1693 01:15:11,715 --> 01:15:15,135 "Man, if this knucklehead can do it, man, I can design my own shoe." 1694 01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:18,096 {\an8}["Poochum" by The Mixtures] 1695 01:15:20,974 --> 01:15:22,059 [chuckling] What? 1696 01:15:22,142 --> 01:15:24,561 -[Danny chuckles] -Motherfucking premiere of Machete. 1697 01:15:24,645 --> 01:15:27,231 Yeah, that was sweet, with the lowriders. 1698 01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:30,108 [Cartoon] Seeing these big Hollywood events. 1699 01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:32,236 In the back on my mind, I was like, 1700 01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,279 "We can get a team together and do it." 1701 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:35,322 We had the budgets. 1702 01:15:35,405 --> 01:15:37,241 And we were able to have some power 1703 01:15:37,824 --> 01:15:40,577 to do some of those events, and it came out dope. 1704 01:15:40,661 --> 01:15:41,954 And it was beautiful, man. 1705 01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:45,123 People in the street, happy that somebody's representing. 1706 01:15:45,207 --> 01:15:47,292 This is a historical moment right here. 1707 01:15:48,835 --> 01:15:50,546 We're taking our culture 1708 01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:51,838 and trying to lift it up. 1709 01:15:51,922 --> 01:15:55,092 [Michelle] It would be hard to be downtown that day 1710 01:15:55,175 --> 01:15:56,593 and not feel our presence. 1711 01:15:56,677 --> 01:15:58,512 We here. [laughs] 1712 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,056 {\an8}[Cartoon] Damn, man, we're bringing Chicano art 1713 01:16:01,139 --> 01:16:03,058 {\an8}into places that it's never been before. 1714 01:16:04,434 --> 01:16:07,729 {\an8}Shout-out to S.A. Studios. Grand Theft Auto, good looking. 1715 01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:12,401 GTA is the iconic video game that ended up {\an8}becoming because of the Estev and Toon. 1716 01:16:12,484 --> 01:16:14,278 I played Cesar Vialpando. 1717 01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:17,823 [Cartoon] We did all the tattoos, graffiti, 1718 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,366 murals, 1719 01:16:19,449 --> 01:16:20,492 liquor store, 1720 01:16:20,576 --> 01:16:23,370 and the Virgen de Guadalupe would be on the side. 1721 01:16:23,453 --> 01:16:25,122 Estevan would take them around 1722 01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:26,498 to all the sick shit 1723 01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,375 and fucking recreate that. 1724 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,336 You've been on a trajectory 1725 01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:33,338 from the bottom-bottom, 1726 01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:35,215 and I guess prison, possibly. 1727 01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:38,093 You got out of that, survived that, 1728 01:16:38,176 --> 01:16:42,514 and you're on this uphill trajectory of perfecting this art form. 1729 01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:45,851 [Cartoon] It was a great time. Record businesses were still going. 1730 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:47,811 {\an8}And magazines were popping 1731 01:16:47,894 --> 01:16:52,649 and commercials were getting anywhere from 100,000 into the millions. 1732 01:16:52,733 --> 01:16:54,443 Then the digital age came. 1733 01:16:54,526 --> 01:16:56,695 {\an8}It's over, and the Internet has allowed 1734 01:16:56,778 --> 01:16:59,031 {\an8}global communication with a lot of people... 1735 01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:01,575 [anchor] Twenty million people get their music this way. 1736 01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:04,161 {\an8}-They worst offender is Napster. -Metallica filed a... 1737 01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:08,123 At that point, S.A. Studios, it was kind of like a barber shop. 1738 01:17:08,206 --> 01:17:11,043 People came by afterward and bullshitted. 1739 01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:16,465 That's what S.A. Studios felt like. A bunch of big-ass kids having fun. 1740 01:17:16,548 --> 01:17:17,758 "What's up, homie? 1741 01:17:17,841 --> 01:17:20,218 What you doing, man? What you've been up to?" 1742 01:17:20,302 --> 01:17:22,346 It'd be like showing up at a doctor's office. 1743 01:17:22,429 --> 01:17:23,930 You're like, "What's up, fool? 1744 01:17:24,014 --> 01:17:26,642 Yay, man. Wow, you're doing some surgery. What's up?" 1745 01:17:26,725 --> 01:17:28,560 Working on the ice-cream truck. 1746 01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,479 I'm gonna stay here until five, six in the morning. 1747 01:17:30,562 --> 01:17:31,980 I'll probably just go crash upstairs. 1748 01:17:32,064 --> 01:17:34,358 A little bit overwhelming for me. 1749 01:17:34,441 --> 01:17:37,402 {\an8}I don't need a lot of people around to do what I do. 1750 01:17:37,861 --> 01:17:39,029 They're changing. 1751 01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:42,074 Life's about change. 1752 01:17:42,282 --> 01:17:43,283 {\an8}[bell ringing] 1753 01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:44,910 [reporter] After a rare week of gains-- 1754 01:17:44,993 --> 01:17:46,995 [reporter 2] Worst one-day losses since 911. 1755 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,538 The stock market fell hard-- 1756 01:17:48,622 --> 01:17:49,915 [reporter 3] 533,000-- 1757 01:17:49,998 --> 01:17:51,917 [reporter 4] Two point six million people-- 1758 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,711 In 2008 there was the depression. 1759 01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:57,297 The country just fell apart. 1760 01:17:57,381 --> 01:17:59,841 [reporter 5] Spinning the economy in a vicious cycle, 1761 01:17:59,925 --> 01:18:01,218 people losing their jobs, 1762 01:18:01,301 --> 01:18:03,637 then falling behind on their mortgages. 1763 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,556 [Estevan] Magazines shut down, record labels shut down. 1764 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,684 [reporter 6] President Obama facing increasing pressure 1765 01:18:08,767 --> 01:18:10,102 for a new stimulus package. 1766 01:18:10,185 --> 01:18:11,770 All the budgets went away. 1767 01:18:11,853 --> 01:18:14,231 [reporter 7] Eleven point three trillion dollars. 1768 01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:16,149 ...to stabilize the housing market, 1769 01:18:16,233 --> 01:18:18,860 and help responsible home-owners stay in their homes. 1770 01:18:18,985 --> 01:18:23,281 That cut at least 75% of my work that was coming in. 1771 01:18:23,865 --> 01:18:26,201 S.A. Studios was a certain time. 1772 01:18:26,284 --> 01:18:29,204 Everything evolves, and everything is a moment in time. 1773 01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:34,251 [Cartoon] That whole place of downtown LA got over-gentrified in my opinion. 1774 01:18:34,626 --> 01:18:36,378 It became uncool. 1775 01:18:36,461 --> 01:18:38,463 It became very corporate. 1776 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,425 {\an8}[Roger] If everything always stays the same, how special is it? 1777 01:18:41,508 --> 01:18:42,467 It's about moments. 1778 01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:45,637 Five years, ten years. However long that moment was. 1779 01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:48,306 The vibe. Something happened. 1780 01:18:48,807 --> 01:18:52,436 [David] You have one guy who's in the profession of tattoos, 1781 01:18:52,519 --> 01:18:54,771 which has gone from, like, this fringe, 1782 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:58,108 and now I don't know one fucking person who doesn't have a tattoo. 1783 01:18:58,191 --> 01:18:59,901 {\an8}And then on this side of the spectrum, 1784 01:18:59,985 --> 01:19:02,571 you have photography, which was like this, and now it's, like, nothing. 1785 01:19:02,696 --> 01:19:04,990 Both things are symbiotic and feeding off each other. 1786 01:19:05,073 --> 01:19:08,160 But one of those things brings in a ton of cash, 1787 01:19:08,243 --> 01:19:10,579 and the other one, the cash is disappearing. 1788 01:19:10,662 --> 01:19:13,165 The tension that must bring between brothers... 1789 01:19:13,248 --> 01:19:14,166 Eventually... 1790 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:15,667 it was gone. 1791 01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:18,044 [sad music playing] 1792 01:19:20,338 --> 01:19:22,132 The last time I'll ever be here. 1793 01:19:23,008 --> 01:19:24,468 We were here for 13 years. 1794 01:19:24,551 --> 01:19:28,972 We used to call our little thing here "Skid Row's finest" 1795 01:19:29,055 --> 01:19:32,058 because we were surrounded by the people of Skid Row. 1796 01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:34,436 And that's it. It's a wrap. 1797 01:19:34,519 --> 01:19:35,771 S.A. Studios. 1798 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:37,355 We're out of downtown. 1799 01:19:38,148 --> 01:19:39,024 Gone. 1800 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:43,236 That was probably one of the most challenging times in my life. 1801 01:19:43,862 --> 01:19:44,946 And... 1802 01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:48,742 I made it, 'cause I'm a fighter. 1803 01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:51,161 That was it. 1804 01:19:52,037 --> 01:19:52,996 You got it? 1805 01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,082 [Estevan exhales] 1806 01:20:01,004 --> 01:20:04,841 [police car wailing in the distance] 1807 01:20:11,389 --> 01:20:13,642 ["Da Rockwilder" by Method Man and Redman playing] 1808 01:20:35,622 --> 01:20:37,958 Microphone checker Swinging sword lecture 1809 01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:40,210 Closing down the sector Supreme neck protector 1810 01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:42,587 Better warn 'em kid Mr. Method boiling pot 1811 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:44,506 About to blow his lid From the pressure 1812 01:20:44,589 --> 01:20:46,091 Too hot for TV for sheezy 1813 01:20:46,174 --> 01:20:47,884 Too many wanna be hard be easy 1814 01:20:47,968 --> 01:20:50,095 It's all in together Going all out together 1815 01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:51,638 It don't take much to please me 1816 01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:53,473 -Congratulations. -Thank you. 1817 01:20:53,557 --> 01:20:56,434 We don't condone biting See them selling crossbones 1818 01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:58,854 Protecting what am writing Don't clash with the Titan 1819 01:20:58,937 --> 01:21:00,146 Who blast with a license... 1820 01:21:00,230 --> 01:21:03,525 [Estevan] To me, LA's the blood pumping through my veins. 1821 01:21:03,608 --> 01:21:04,776 I love everything about it. 1822 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,027 Put your lights out 1823 01:21:06,111 --> 01:21:08,530 Get the shit to the cracking Got you feelin' with your... out 1824 01:21:08,613 --> 01:21:11,241 [Estevan] I mean, look at it. How fucking cool is that shit? 1825 01:21:11,324 --> 01:21:14,536 Where I used to battle crews Back when Antoinette had that attitude 1826 01:21:14,619 --> 01:21:16,663 Cover me, I'm going in Walls closing in 1827 01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:18,039 Got us busting off these... 1828 01:21:18,123 --> 01:21:19,749 My... got issues again 1829 01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:21,626 Same song, armed with the mega bomb 1830 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:23,378 Blow you out the frame And then I'm gone 1831 01:21:23,461 --> 01:21:24,838 [electric buzzing] 1832 01:21:24,921 --> 01:21:27,632 Look up in the sky It's a bird, it's a plane 1833 01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:29,968 It's the funk Doctor Spock Get on a train 1834 01:21:30,051 --> 01:21:31,094 How high? 1835 01:21:31,177 --> 01:21:33,388 So high that I can kiss the sky 1836 01:21:33,471 --> 01:21:35,807 -[police car siren wailing] -♪ So sick than you can suck my... 1837 01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:39,477 [electric buzzing] 1838 01:21:39,561 --> 01:21:40,562 [car speeding off] 1839 01:21:40,645 --> 01:21:43,315 I was gone too, but we roam Cellular phones 1840 01:21:43,398 --> 01:21:44,858 Doc-Meth back in the flesh... 1841 01:21:45,233 --> 01:21:47,861 [Estevan] This is where I come and get all my film done right here. 1842 01:21:48,445 --> 01:21:50,906 Suckers break like Turbo and Ozone... 1843 01:21:50,989 --> 01:21:52,407 [Estevan] Oh, wow. 1844 01:21:52,949 --> 01:21:54,576 Wow, I got some good ones. 1845 01:21:54,659 --> 01:21:56,202 [whistles] 1846 01:21:56,286 --> 01:21:58,121 Three nines in the glove with Masu... 1847 01:21:58,204 --> 01:21:59,915 [Estevan exhales] 1848 01:22:00,707 --> 01:22:02,250 [elevator gates closes] 1849 01:22:04,252 --> 01:22:07,756 So, after 13 years, we've now relocated, 1850 01:22:07,839 --> 01:22:10,258 and I'm gonna show you the new S.A. Studios. 1851 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,845 Well, my part of it. Cartoon has a different part. 1852 01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,599 So... here we are. 1853 01:22:18,975 --> 01:22:20,477 S.A. Studios. 1854 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,521 [door creaks] 1855 01:22:25,315 --> 01:22:27,067 [Estevan] You can barely fit in here. 1856 01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:29,986 {\an8}These are the new S.A. Studios. 1857 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,202 These are all bills that haven't been paid. 1858 01:22:37,702 --> 01:22:39,079 You know, just so everybody knows 1859 01:22:39,162 --> 01:22:42,374 what it's like to be a world-famous photographer. 1860 01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:59,140 [Cartoon] Where am I today? I'm in a good place. 1861 01:22:59,724 --> 01:23:00,892 I'm an optimist. 1862 01:23:01,142 --> 01:23:03,853 {\an8}I'm always gonna look at what's the solution, 1863 01:23:04,187 --> 01:23:06,189 what do I got to be grateful for, 1864 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,941 how can I make this pop. 1865 01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:12,779 I haven't stopped one day since S.A. Studios. 1866 01:23:13,113 --> 01:23:15,031 I have a private studio right here. 1867 01:23:15,115 --> 01:23:17,575 I own this property. Can't kick me out. 1868 01:23:18,118 --> 01:23:19,869 And it's all dialed into my needs, 1869 01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:21,663 I airbrush the cars in here. 1870 01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:24,666 I've been here for five years now and... 1871 01:23:25,041 --> 01:23:25,917 {\an8}I love it. 1872 01:23:27,794 --> 01:23:30,088 [car engine revs] 1873 01:23:31,798 --> 01:23:34,009 [Estevan, in Spanish] Attention! Attention! 1874 01:23:35,301 --> 01:23:37,345 [in English] There's our lovely Sixth Street Bridge. 1875 01:23:38,054 --> 01:23:39,305 [in Spanish] No more. 1876 01:23:39,597 --> 01:23:41,725 [in English] So crazy to see all this shit. 1877 01:23:41,808 --> 01:23:44,102 Fucking changing so fast. 1878 01:23:45,437 --> 01:23:47,731 This is a mural by my friend Risky. 1879 01:23:47,814 --> 01:23:49,232 Everybody knows Risk. 1880 01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:51,776 This was a parking lot before. 1881 01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:55,739 Some metal rinky-dink buildings, 1882 01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:57,115 and now it's like... 1883 01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:00,785 the biggest fucking most... 1884 01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,831 apartments, fuck it, whatever you could get in there. 1885 01:24:05,498 --> 01:24:09,627 [Cartoon] I don't feel like a victim. I feel like I'm on top of everything. 1886 01:24:09,711 --> 01:24:11,337 I'm on top of social media, 1887 01:24:11,421 --> 01:24:14,299 I know how to use Photoshop, I know how to use a computer. 1888 01:24:14,382 --> 01:24:15,925 I taught myself all that. 1889 01:24:16,342 --> 01:24:19,846 The guys that didn't do that, they probably feel overwhelmed. 1890 01:24:24,225 --> 01:24:27,228 And then I was trying to keep up with the Joneses, and, you know, 1891 01:24:27,312 --> 01:24:28,271 trying to post-- 1892 01:24:28,354 --> 01:24:29,522 I tried all that shit. 1893 01:24:29,606 --> 01:24:31,316 I tried to post hot girls, 1894 01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:33,401 big celebrities, gangster stuff. 1895 01:24:33,485 --> 01:24:34,861 I tried to post everything 1896 01:24:34,944 --> 01:24:37,530 at certain times a day on certain days and I'm like, 1897 01:24:37,614 --> 01:24:39,824 "How the fuck does this guy have a million followers 1898 01:24:39,908 --> 01:24:43,078 and I got 115,000 or whatever?" You know? 1899 01:24:43,161 --> 01:24:46,122 Every time I'd think I was doing some big shit, good shit, 1900 01:24:46,206 --> 01:24:48,666 and I go, "Oh, I'm gonna show Instagram right now. 1901 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:50,001 Fuck everybody." 1902 01:24:50,376 --> 01:24:52,796 You know. "All my haters are gonna come out on this one." 1903 01:24:52,879 --> 01:24:55,715 I would post something and it'd be like, "wah, wah, wah." 1904 01:24:55,799 --> 01:24:56,966 And I was like, "Man." 1905 01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:59,803 I got more likes just from taking a picture of my dog 1906 01:24:59,886 --> 01:25:01,846 with my iPhone or something, you know. 1907 01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:04,849 All the algorithms and the analytics and all that, and I was like, 1908 01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:08,186 "Man, this shit is, like, so time-consuming 1909 01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:09,479 and overwhelming." 1910 01:25:09,562 --> 01:25:12,273 It's tiring to try and keep up with the Joneses, so... 1911 01:25:12,357 --> 01:25:15,485 Sometimes I just say, "Fuck it, who am I doing all this shit--?" 1912 01:25:15,568 --> 01:25:17,779 And I go and, you know, do work 1913 01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:19,656 that I need to be doing, to... 1914 01:25:20,698 --> 01:25:22,617 To keep the-- keep the... 1915 01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:24,285 the checks coming in, 1916 01:25:24,369 --> 01:25:26,454 to keep up with the bills that are coming in. 1917 01:25:26,538 --> 01:25:29,290 Money's growing {\an8}Like grass with the mass appeal 1918 01:25:29,374 --> 01:25:31,793 Money, money, money... 1919 01:25:31,876 --> 01:25:34,420 [Cartoon] People on the other side of the world looking at our shit, 1920 01:25:34,504 --> 01:25:37,423 we don't realize a lot of times 'cause it's in front of us. 1921 01:25:37,507 --> 01:25:38,842 [Loco speaking German] 1922 01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:39,843 We're from Berlin. 1923 01:25:39,926 --> 01:25:41,553 We're driving lowriders. 1924 01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:43,805 {\an8}We wear that clothing stuff and... 1925 01:25:43,888 --> 01:25:45,014 {\an8}listen to the music. 1926 01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:46,057 {\an8}Latino life. 1927 01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:47,267 [chuckles] 1928 01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:50,937 [Cartoon] I think that this art form embraces everybody. 1929 01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:53,398 People are affected, and we don't know about it. 1930 01:25:53,481 --> 01:25:55,692 Inside I always looked like a cholo. 1931 01:25:56,526 --> 01:26:00,113 I'm a trans man and I'm tattooed. I love tattoos. 1932 01:26:00,196 --> 01:26:01,781 -[Loco] Yeah? Good? -[man] Danke schön. 1933 01:26:01,865 --> 01:26:03,533 [Loco chuckles] 1934 01:26:03,616 --> 01:26:05,952 And with my unique skills, nah You can't compare... 1935 01:26:06,035 --> 01:26:07,871 [passerby] All good, bro bro! 1936 01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:11,040 [Chris] Oh, I've been arrested over 20 times for graffiti. 1937 01:26:11,124 --> 01:26:13,793 {\an8}And I've been chased with things and attacked by dogs 1938 01:26:13,877 --> 01:26:14,919 {\an8}and my leg-- 1939 01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:17,005 ripped my leg open over jumping fences. 1940 01:26:17,088 --> 01:26:18,298 But I love it. 1941 01:26:18,381 --> 01:26:20,216 Watching Estevan's photos 1942 01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,634 and Cartoon's tattoos 1943 01:26:21,718 --> 01:26:24,721 put me into an understanding about a lot of things out here. 1944 01:26:24,804 --> 01:26:26,848 -[man] Oh! -That was perfect timing. 1945 01:26:26,931 --> 01:26:30,143 [Mark] Between Estevan and Cartoon, they have really brought 1946 01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:32,812 the culture of downtown Los Angeles 1947 01:26:32,896 --> 01:26:36,608 to a place of respect and high art. 1948 01:26:36,691 --> 01:26:39,652 [hip-hop music playing] 1949 01:26:41,446 --> 01:26:44,699 [Roger] For this show, we wanted to be true to the spirit of the artform. 1950 01:26:44,782 --> 01:26:46,534 Vandalism, ambition, 1951 01:26:46,784 --> 01:26:49,412 rebellion, being out in the streets. 1952 01:26:50,038 --> 01:26:51,706 [Mark] Beyond The Streets show that's out now, 1953 01:26:51,789 --> 01:26:54,042 you have Banksy, Basquiat, 1954 01:26:54,125 --> 01:26:56,085 Murakami, Shepard Fairey. 1955 01:26:56,169 --> 01:26:58,713 And then you also have Cartoon's church, 1956 01:26:58,796 --> 01:27:02,425 and you have the iconic Estevan LA hand sign. 1957 01:27:03,259 --> 01:27:08,014 [Martha] People might dismiss graffiti as only being vandalism. 1958 01:27:08,097 --> 01:27:10,266 And I'm not saying that it isn't vandalism. 1959 01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:11,517 {\an8}It is vandalism. 1960 01:27:11,809 --> 01:27:13,519 [Cartoon] This is vandal art. 1961 01:27:13,603 --> 01:27:15,396 Carving your name in a toilet 1962 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,482 and shit. That's how people look at it. 1963 01:27:17,565 --> 01:27:19,901 We're not even supposed to be there in the first place 1964 01:27:19,984 --> 01:27:21,653 or have our cars in there, 1965 01:27:21,736 --> 01:27:22,779 photography. 1966 01:27:22,862 --> 01:27:25,156 The building, Trinity Ave Ten years... 1967 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,574 [Snoop] To come from nothing... 1968 01:27:26,658 --> 01:27:28,993 They ain't got no degrees. They learned this from the streets. 1969 01:27:29,077 --> 01:27:30,328 Why you think... 1970 01:27:30,411 --> 01:27:32,956 [Haze] Are they responsible for bringing that style 1971 01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:36,376 {\an8}and that culture to the forefront of the movement? Definitely. 1972 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,878 I did it all, I put the pieces... 1973 01:27:38,962 --> 01:27:42,298 {\an8}Hip-hop culture owes so much to Toons and Estevan. 1974 01:27:42,382 --> 01:27:44,717 [Eminem] Them being so prominent in the culture 1975 01:27:44,801 --> 01:27:46,970 helped shape that wave 1976 01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:51,432 that even the generation after us, coming up... 1977 01:27:51,975 --> 01:27:54,394 [Brian] Where do Cartoon and Estevan lie 1978 01:27:54,477 --> 01:27:56,771 in the greater scheme of art itself? 1979 01:27:56,854 --> 01:27:57,855 I think pretty high. 1980 01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,109 [Roger] They're out there. They're approachable. 1981 01:28:01,192 --> 01:28:03,987 They're shooting for magazines. They're friends with people on Skid Row. 1982 01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:05,697 {\an8}You've done a lot for me, brother. 1983 01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,490 They're friends with graffiti writers. 1984 01:28:07,573 --> 01:28:09,826 {\an8}[OG Slick] I'll show you what I think about H&M, you know? 1985 01:28:09,909 --> 01:28:11,828 {\an8}[Roger] They're friends with musicians, celebrities. 1986 01:28:11,911 --> 01:28:15,373 In the gutter one, ghetto running 'em Troublesome, extra double dumb... 1987 01:28:16,082 --> 01:28:17,292 [George] They're still doing it. 1988 01:28:17,375 --> 01:28:20,211 They're doing it better than they ever have, and that's pride. 1989 01:28:20,295 --> 01:28:22,422 That's heart. That's Chicano. 1990 01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:25,425 [man] With all the racism, xenophobia 1991 01:28:25,508 --> 01:28:27,593 that's going on right now in the US, 1992 01:28:27,677 --> 01:28:30,722 for Chicano art to just be pushed as hard as possible, 1993 01:28:30,805 --> 01:28:35,184 whether it's a direct a political message or just as a style, is a great thing. 1994 01:28:35,268 --> 01:28:37,061 These ICE agents and these raids 1995 01:28:37,145 --> 01:28:38,271 and the racism, 1996 01:28:38,354 --> 01:28:40,732 it's only gonna speak to our cultures. 1997 01:28:40,815 --> 01:28:43,401 {\an8}The culture has to be a little louder than the hate. 1998 01:28:43,484 --> 01:28:45,903 Cause they say I rhyme They say I look like a gremlin... 1999 01:28:45,987 --> 01:28:48,865 We're gonna keep moving forward, keep creating 2000 01:28:48,948 --> 01:28:51,617 and stay true to this culture. 2001 01:28:51,701 --> 01:28:54,829 Thank you for coming! Thank you for coming. 2002 01:28:54,954 --> 01:28:57,749 [people cheering] 2003 01:28:57,832 --> 01:28:59,208 [hip-hop music playing] 2004 01:28:59,292 --> 01:29:00,668 Ah! 2005 01:29:01,336 --> 01:29:02,628 [car honk honking] 2006 01:29:02,712 --> 01:29:04,297 [bicycle bells ringing] 2007 01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:05,298 [car honk honking] 2008 01:29:05,381 --> 01:29:06,215 Slam 2009 01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,594 Rainbow, rainbow 2010 01:29:11,929 --> 01:29:13,723 Rainbow, rainbow 2011 01:29:13,806 --> 01:29:15,350 It's my city 2012 01:29:16,517 --> 01:29:18,227 Rainbow, rainbow 2013 01:29:21,064 --> 01:29:22,982 Rainbow, rainbow 2014 01:29:23,066 --> 01:29:25,485 It's my city 2015 01:29:25,568 --> 01:29:27,445 Wake up in the morning and I thank God 2016 01:29:27,528 --> 01:29:30,281 Pray for enemies and haters That's the meaning of a gang star 2017 01:29:30,365 --> 01:29:32,450 I'm into everything Hustle I get that money 2018 01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:34,952 I know I'm gonna make it I chase it, I come and run it down 2019 01:29:35,036 --> 01:29:37,330 We out here chilled, it's Sunday We got the pretty women 2020 01:29:37,413 --> 01:29:39,791 Barbecues popping, no stoppin' We're drinking beer with lemon 2021 01:29:39,874 --> 01:29:41,793 Los Angeles, baby We own the South side 2022 01:29:41,876 --> 01:29:44,504 Cruising down Pacific The sickest, that's how the South ride 2023 01:29:44,587 --> 01:29:46,339 Lowriders and OG's with tattoos 2024 01:29:46,422 --> 01:29:48,925 Bouncing down the boulevard Watching as they pass you 2025 01:29:49,008 --> 01:29:51,094 Hella smoke from this Charlie Brown It's in the sky 2026 01:29:51,177 --> 01:29:53,596 ♪ Tacos de carnitas with salsita Boy, I'm feeling fly 2027 01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:55,723 ♪ Mexicano by nature I'm living out a zone 2028 01:29:55,807 --> 01:29:58,184 I just think with that alone Really that I'm not alone 2029 01:29:58,267 --> 01:30:00,645 My city, my dreams, my lifestyle 2030 01:30:00,728 --> 01:30:03,064 I love LA and this is my style 2031 01:30:03,147 --> 01:30:07,151 I love cruisin' through my city 2032 01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,322 I love LA 2033 01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:16,994 We'll be chillin' On a South Side Sunday 2034 01:30:17,078 --> 01:30:20,373 It's my favorite kind of day 2035 01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:25,503 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ Out here chillin' with the homies 2036 01:30:25,586 --> 01:30:30,258 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ Barbecues and family 2037 01:30:30,341 --> 01:30:34,303 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be 2038 01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:37,682 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ I love LA 2039 01:30:37,765 --> 01:30:39,434 Dude, man, I love LA 2040 01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:41,811 Another sunny day in California This is Los Angeles 2041 01:30:41,894 --> 01:30:44,188 Beast Baldacci Not to worry, let me handle this 2042 01:30:44,272 --> 01:30:46,441 Palm trees It's the home of a real life 2043 01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:48,943 Battlefield, a war zone But this is where I feel right 2044 01:30:49,026 --> 01:30:50,987 No hatin', we just livin' Like we're supposed to 2045 01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:53,573 Stand for who you are, yep It's what we've been exposed to 2046 01:30:53,656 --> 01:30:55,783 I love my city, my people I love my family 2047 01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:58,035 I love my haters, my rivals And people mad at me 2048 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,496 I'm on the grind I can't stop, I'm all lit 2049 01:31:00,580 --> 01:31:02,790 And every second I thank Pops This all him 2050 01:31:02,874 --> 01:31:05,251 Mini-bikes in the street going The feedback 2051 01:31:05,334 --> 01:31:07,462 Prostitutes and the weed sacks Believe that 2052 01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:09,714 Broken lights so it's dark out The kids playin' 2053 01:31:09,797 --> 01:31:12,049 Yellow tape on the next block I'm just sayin' 2054 01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:14,427 It ain't never gonna change Boy, I love my city 2055 01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:16,512 LA to my day come and rep it with me 2056 01:31:16,596 --> 01:31:19,849 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ I love cruisin' through my city 2057 01:31:19,932 --> 01:31:21,184 Cruisin' through my city, boy 2058 01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:24,395 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ I love LA 2059 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,522 -♪ Man, how I love LA -♪ Rainbow, rainbow 2060 01:31:26,606 --> 01:31:29,984 We'll be chillin' On a South Side Sunday 2061 01:31:30,067 --> 01:31:33,905 -♪ Just chillin' on a South Side Sunday -♪ It's my favorite kind of day 2062 01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:35,490 -♪ Yeah -♪ Rainbow, rainbow 2063 01:31:35,573 --> 01:31:39,452 Out here chillin' with the homies 2064 01:31:39,535 --> 01:31:43,998 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ Barbecues and family 2065 01:31:44,081 --> 01:31:47,168 -♪ Rainbow, rainbow -♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be 2066 01:31:47,251 --> 01:31:51,756 -♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be -♪ I love LA 2067 01:31:51,839 --> 01:31:53,257 Uh-huh, I love LA, yeah 2068 01:31:53,341 --> 01:31:55,593 Family is everything Tattoos represent mine 2069 01:31:55,676 --> 01:31:58,054 Everything ahead of me I hope you try and test mine 2070 01:31:58,137 --> 01:32:00,306 Southern champion California weed smoke 2071 01:32:00,389 --> 01:32:02,725 The real moonrock on the top When the beast toke 2072 01:32:02,808 --> 01:32:04,894 Los Angeles, shout-out to my hometown 2073 01:32:04,977 --> 01:32:07,313 Fabuloso Geez, HP, how it goes down 2074 01:32:07,396 --> 01:32:09,607 Chikoe, Blazer The Speedy's Estevan Oriol 2075 01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:11,692 Free my brothers that's put away Now let them go 2076 01:32:11,776 --> 01:32:16,280 I love LA