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[steps approaching]

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[Estevan] Um...

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I'm making this movie because, uh...

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Which way you want me to look?

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- [producer] Right here.
- Okay.

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I'm basically making this movie

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because I have 25 years

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of footage and photos
of me and Cartoon's...

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I guess, uh, journey in life,

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and all the movement that we've...

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Wait, let me see.

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["Juice" by Eric B and Rakim playing]

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If you ain't got tatted by Cartoon,
you ain't got no tat.

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If you ain't get shot by Estevan,
you got a weak photographer.

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[camera shutter clicks]

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[hip-hop music playing]

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You can't tell the story of Estevan
without telling the story of Cartoon.

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You know Toons, then you know Estev.

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They are LA.

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Premier representatives
of that Los Angeles culture.

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Like, the pioneers.

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Not just pioneers,
I mean, I think they're historians.

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Storytellers, they're the image-makers.
The chroniclers.

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When you say LA tattoo artists,
you can't not mention Mister Cartoon.

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Nobody does art like Cartoon.

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When you look at a Mister Cartoon tattoo,
you know that's Mister Cartoon.

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Everybody knows Mister Cartoon.

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The hip-hop tattoo artist.

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Man, you got tatted by Toons,
it's, like, a level of respect.

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Cartoon, baby.

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- My boy Cartoon.
- Cartoon.

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The world-famous Cartoon.

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Everything Cartoon did, Estevan was there.

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Estevan brings an authenticity
that is matched by none other.

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Photographing gang members.

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Capturing the whole culture
and everything, man.

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Lowrider culture, tattoo culture,
shots of Skid Row.

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[Wilmer] Leaving pieces of history behind.

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- [George] These <i>vatos...</i>
- [Snoop] They showed

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that you can do it the right way
if you do it the right way.

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[George] They take pride in all of that.

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[Snoop] They paved the way
for a lot of people.

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Even if they don't admit it.

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We couldn't have done it
without these two guys.

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It's about courage.

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Just be true to who you are,
and a lot of people are terrified

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of being who they are.

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That's one of the reasons
they're so successful.

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They mean what they say
and they say what they mean.

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This is our thing,
and we wanna bring this out to the world.

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LA's globalized.

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They've joined forces,
and they've been unstoppable ever since.

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[hip-hop music playing]

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[birds chirping]

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[Cartoon] Coming from a Chicano,
Mexican family,

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believing in God is standard issue.

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I was formerly raised Catholic.

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I was told at a young age
that I was gifted, I was blessed,

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I have a gift from God.

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And when you tell a kid that every day

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over and over and over,

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they start to believe it.

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So when my mom would ask me
to clean the room,

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make my bed, I'd be like,

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"I've been gifted from God.
I'm not gonna make my bed. Come on."

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[slow music playing]

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[Estevan] For me, work is happiness.
Yeah, I love to work.

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I love doing photography. I love filming.

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You know, when you say "work,"
that means you do something

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and you get paid, so, yeah,
that means my bills can get paid,

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and I can keep moving forward.

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- [girl] Daddy!
- [Estevan] I'm not the best dad

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or the best husband,

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but I think I'm a good worker,

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a good photographer,

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and a pretty good friend.

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Nobody could say I'd done them wrong.
If they do, they're a lying motherfucker.

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[car horns honking]

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[Cartoon] If you focus,

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you could see shit off of your talent.

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You could travel the world.

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You could go to Europe and shit.
Like, we've been all around the world.

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You can buy a home for your family.

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[slow music playing]

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[birds chirping]

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[Estevan]
Art was like I had to scratch an itch.

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I would see shit,

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I would see a movie poster,

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or I would see something
that made me wanna draw,

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and I would get this kind of anxiety
that I had to draw,

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I had to draw every day. To let it go.

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[Latin music playing]

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[Yolanda]
He was young, very young, like... four.

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At that time, he was drawing nostrils,
fingernails, earlobes,

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you know, things that kids drew
with stick figures,

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he was drawing,
doing very intricate things.

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He was my first child, so I just thought
I was the greatest mom

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because he was so good, you know?

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[David] His mom was, "You're the best.

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You're amazing.
You're the best artist in the world.

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You're gonna grow up to be wonderful."

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And then, at some point,
you just believe it.

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When I was a kid, my father met this guy
at the line at the bank.

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He says, "I'm in karate.
I have a business, a karate business."

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My dad comes home and he goes,

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"I got great news.
You're going to martial arts school."

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I go, "I don't wanna do that."
He goes, "Yeah."

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Hey, I'm paying for that...

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[chuckling]
...you're gonna go.

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When he first started, he was real shy,
wouldn't talk to anybody.

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But maybe about a year after karate,

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I would say that he was so confident
that he'd walk straight up.

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Going to the karate school introduced me

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to the world of candy paint

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because the grand master of the school
was also a custom car painter,

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so I learned all those things,
you know, the murals, the candy paint,

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respect, the flow of life.

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All these things kind of went in a circle.

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It's crazy.

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[hip-hop music playing]

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I'm Estevan Oriol.
I'm a photographer and director.

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Raised in LA.

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I was born in Santa Monica
at Saint John's Hospital.

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[David] So you got Estevan.

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Like, this tall cholo guy,

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but then most people don't know
he's half Italian.

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[Estevan] My mom and dad were married
up until I was about three.

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And they split up,
and it was me and my mom.

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To me, my mom was great.

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We grew up on welfare,
food stamps and Medi-Cal,

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but she did her best
to make it the best for me.

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Any time you have mixed-race children,

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they grow up a little bit confused though,
"Am I this race or am I this race?"

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And at some point, you just gotta choose.
He chose the Latino side.

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I didn't even know it until years later.

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[Estevan] My dad,
he was kind of like a hippie.

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He didn't give a shit about having
a nice car and all that shit,

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so that pushed me to strive for more.

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That's what gave me my drive.

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So after high school,
I worked at a snack bar,

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I worked on fishing boats,

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supermarkets,

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liquor store delivery.

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I always had, like, one, two, three jobs.

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[upbeat music playing]

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[video games beeping]

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[Cartoon] At the time, in the '80s,

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it was all about where do you fit in

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in hip-hop.

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Are you a breaker? Are you a rapper?

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Are you a locker? Are you a writer?

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And I was like, "I love breakdancing,

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and all that shit," but I couldn't hang.

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But I could draw.

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[Angel] Cartoon, uh, always had a marker

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or a can of spray paint with him
all the time.

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And wherever we were at, he'd hit up.

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[Cartoon] 'Cause I was hip-hop.
I had a b-boy side of me.

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It was, like, bombing, 3-Ds, fade.

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[Revok] You know, before the Cartoon
that he's known for today,

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he was an awesome graffiti writer.

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He was from this crew WCA
that was kind of legendary

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and was really fucking good.

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[Risk] I go to probably late '80s
with Cartoon.

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He was "Flame" at the time.

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I thought I knew everybody.
I was like, "Who the fuck is this?"

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And he had such a unique style,
and was so different.

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He hit and run. Like, I'd see a wall,
and next day I was like,

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"Where did this come from?
Who did it?" You know.

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[Cartoon] I basically
do graffiti everywhere I go.

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It brought me a rush,
like, you can go to jail for this shit.

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[tense music playing]

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[Yolanda] He put his name, "Flame,"
on the graffiti piece,

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and, so, he was caught,
you know, for doing that.

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[Angel] There was something different
about him.

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We had an idea that someday
he was gonna do something,

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that he was gonna go somewhere,
he was gonna be something in life.

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[Bob] It's like a work of art in there.

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We were all proud of this,
when he came out in the paper.

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[Cartoon] I was just searching
for my look, you know?

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What felt good and what felt real to me.

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I went to LA Trade-Tech
to learn Sign Graphics,

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to understand letters.

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Letters have a weight to them.

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When I was in school,
all the kids knew where the prisons were,

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and some of them would get letters
from their family members,

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and I would look at the envelope

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and see these crazy collaged,
pinta-style envelopes

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and I would think to myself,

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"Man, if I could mix that style of artwork
with bombing graffiti style,

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put them together."

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That's where my style was born.

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[upbeat music playing]

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[Estevan] When I hit 19,
I moved to Hollywood.

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Sunset Boulevard was cracking.

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The Whisky, The Roxy.

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Hip-hop was new.

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Just that scene was fucking off the chain,

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and I was working nightclubs
for extra money.

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And that's where I met all the LA bands.

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Ice-T and the Rhyme Syndicate,

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the Red Hot Chili Peppers,

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Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E.,

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Everlast from House of Pain.

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That's how I met Muggs.

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And then he took me down to the block
on Cypress Ave,

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and that's where I met B-Real and Sen.

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[hip-hop music playing]

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[Muggs] So, this right here is SP 1200.

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This is the drum machine that we did
um, all the House of Pain's records.

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["Jump Around" by House of Pain playing]

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<i>♪ Pack it up, pack it in
Let me begin ♪</i>

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The sample though...
For "Jump Around," I made it.

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Horn player... came in the studio,
played the horn,

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and I put it in here, then I detuned it.

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When you detune it,
it gives it like a crunch.

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<i>♪ Feelin', funkin'
Amps in the trunk ♪</i>

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It spreads it out a little bit.
That's why that sounds unique.

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First time I met Estevan, he was working
the door of a club on 2nd Street

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in, like, Little Tokyo.

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He just would always
show me love and let me in.

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That's the homie Steve-O,
short for Steve Oriol.

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Switched it up to Scan.
Scan was just Scandalous.

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[Everlast] After we started
getting the music together,

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and we realized we were gonna go
on the road, Muggs basically said,

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"Yo, I know exactly who should be
your road manager."

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Who can I get that's fucking responsible
and got they shit together?

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And I was like, "Who?"

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I hit up Scan and then, um...

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He became our tour manager.

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That was it, right there.

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That was the beginning
of us having worldwide escapades.

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[hip-hop music playing]

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[Estevan] In the beginning, people
didn't know that House of Pain was white.

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People were like, "What the fuck?"

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"What are these fucking white boys
walking through here?"

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And then they'd hear the...

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[Estevan humming the start
of "Jump Around"]

239
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And the whole fucking club
would just go buck wild, berserk,

240
00:11:16,175 --> 00:11:18,344
and they're just losing
their fucking minds.

241
00:11:18,552 --> 00:11:20,179
From there, it just took off.

242
00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,809
I was with the band in the music videos,
like "Shamrocks and Shenanigans."

243
00:11:25,101 --> 00:11:27,978
When I wasn't here in LA,
I was on tour with House of Pain.

244
00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:30,564
My dad, he was a photographer.

245
00:11:30,648 --> 00:11:33,317
He thought I lived
kind of a cool lifestyle, so...

246
00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:36,445
This is my first camera
that my dad gave me.

247
00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:39,615
This is the one that I talk about
when people say,

248
00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:42,576
"Oh, how did you start in photography?"

249
00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,579
[Everlast] We would go on these
little really fucked-up promo tours,

250
00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:47,790
and he was just always taking pictures.

251
00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:51,793
[clicking]

252
00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:54,422
[spraying]

253
00:11:57,341 --> 00:11:59,593
[Cartoon] I figured out
that I was gonna be an artist

254
00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,595
when it was time to get a real job.

255
00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:04,932
I think airbrushing T-shirts,
when I first did that,

256
00:12:05,015 --> 00:12:06,559
about 17 years old,

257
00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,186
is when I knew
I could do this for a living.

258
00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,480
And I would paint
portraits of people's cars,

259
00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,692
put it on a T-shirt
and put the name over top.

260
00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:17,111
I just started working right off the bat.

261
00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:19,405
Cartoon's Customs was born,

262
00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:21,741
kind of like preparing me to tattoo.

263
00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:25,077
[hip-hop music playing]

264
00:12:25,369 --> 00:12:27,121
[Muggs] Scandalous got the camera.

265
00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,915
Japan. It's how we do it.

266
00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,675
Chicken and soup.
And I'm gonna get the spinach and butter.

267
00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:43,697
When you're on the road, man,
shit can get a bit stressful.

268
00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:46,241
You need somebody out there
that knows everybody's personalities

269
00:12:46,265 --> 00:12:48,851
and everything,
keep everything at ease all the time.

270
00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:52,813
Every day was a new adventure,
new city, new country, new shows.

271
00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:54,916
It was the shit, to roll with the homie.

272
00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:55,858
Hey, Steve-O.

273
00:12:55,859 --> 00:12:59,153
He wasn't Estevan Oriol, the photographer.
He was the road dog.

274
00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:01,822
[hip-hop music playing]

275
00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:03,491
[Estevan] They got the homie.

276
00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:07,745
Cypress Hill, at the time, had not only...
selling crazy records or platinum records,

277
00:13:07,828 --> 00:13:09,580
but a well-respected hip-hop group.

278
00:13:09,663 --> 00:13:12,750
B-Real was one of the dopest emcees
in the world at the time.

279
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,336
[B-Real] Look at this view, motherfuckers.

280
00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:16,629
[door creaking]

281
00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,130
I look fucking good.

282
00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:19,130
[screams]

283
00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:22,843
You never have to ask me if I'm ready.
I'm always ready, motherfucker. Fuck you.

284
00:13:22,927 --> 00:13:26,639
[hip-hop music playing]

285
00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:28,224
[coughs]

286
00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:29,975
Oh, shit. That was a good hit.

287
00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:33,771
Muggs had put on Estevan
to work with the House of Pain guys

288
00:13:33,854 --> 00:13:36,440
and then he came to work with us,
Cypress Hill.

289
00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,443
His first show
with us was at Woodstock 1994.

290
00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:45,866
[Estevan] B-Real jumps off the stage
into the crowd, now I gotta pull him out,

291
00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:48,244
but while I'm pulling him out,
I'm taking pictures.

292
00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:49,578
That shit was fucking crazy.

293
00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:52,790
<i>♪ But I'm still comin' to get ya
Thinkin' like a peace smoke ♪</i>

294
00:13:52,873 --> 00:13:56,085
<i>♪ Comin' on a homicide
You talkin' shit, try to take... ♪</i>

295
00:13:56,168 --> 00:13:58,212
Estevan, he had many
different roles he played.

296
00:13:58,295 --> 00:13:59,505
He was tour managing,

297
00:13:59,588 --> 00:14:02,258
he was our photographer and videographer.

298
00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,760
[people chanting]

299
00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:08,597
<i>♪ So what ya gonna do now?
Being the hunted one is no fun ♪</i>

300
00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:09,681
<i>♪ Here I come, son ♪</i>

301
00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:10,682
Those are all mine.

302
00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:13,686
<i>♪ Better run more
And move a little faster ♪</i>

303
00:14:13,769 --> 00:14:16,730
<i>♪ Second of thought
And I'm comin' to blast ya with my ♪</i>

304
00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:20,150
<i>♪ Sawed off shotgun, hand on the pump
Left hand on a forty ♪</i>

305
00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:21,318
<i>♪ Puffin' on a blunt ♪</i>

306
00:14:21,402 --> 00:14:22,570
<i>♪ Pumped my shotgun ♪</i>

307
00:14:22,653 --> 00:14:23,779
<i>♪ Niggas didn't jump ♪</i>

308
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,782
<i>- ♪ Lala, la la, la la, la la ♪</i>
- [B-Real] Let's rock 'n' roll.

309
00:14:27,491 --> 00:14:28,718
<i>♪ Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill ♪</i>

310
00:14:28,742 --> 00:14:29,785
<i>♪ Look at it ♪</i>

311
00:14:29,994 --> 00:14:31,453
<i>♪ Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill ♪</i>

312
00:14:32,454 --> 00:14:33,956
<i>♪ Cypress Hill, Cypress Hill ♪</i>

313
00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:35,039
<i>♪ Look at it ♪</i>

314
00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,377
[B-Real] That's the way our crew was.
We all worked together very tightly.

315
00:14:38,627 --> 00:14:40,296
No one ever wore one hat.

316
00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:45,134
You know, everybody did multiple things
just to get whatever we needed done,

317
00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,928
and Estevan, you know,
he covered a lot of bases,

318
00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:50,264
and, at the same time,
being our family and friend

319
00:14:50,347 --> 00:14:53,684
and filling every spot
that needed to be filled.

320
00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:55,728
What's up, dude?
This is motherfucking Scandalous.

321
00:14:55,811 --> 00:14:57,691
If you need anything,
I got what you want, baby.

322
00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:58,730
[chuckles]

323
00:14:58,772 --> 00:15:01,066
Motherfuckin', big old skunk.

324
00:15:01,483 --> 00:15:03,986
[hip-hop music playing]

325
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:05,070
[man] Come on!

326
00:15:05,696 --> 00:15:07,883
Can you hear me? We're right here
in fucked-up Cleveland,

327
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,034
we just had Mother Nature
trip the fuck out on us.

328
00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:11,117
Yeah!

329
00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:17,416
<i>♪ Olé, olé, olé, olé,
Cypress, Cypress ♪</i>

330
00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:20,395
[Sen] So Estevan came through and a lot
of the great footage that we have now

331
00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:23,297
from Cypress Hill in those early days,
it was all Estevan Oriol footage.

332
00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:24,506
<i>♪ Cypress ♪</i>

333
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:25,591
[audience]
<i>♪ Cypress ♪</i>

334
00:15:25,674 --> 00:15:26,674
<i>♪ Cypress Hill ♪</i>

335
00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:28,177
[audience]
<i>♪ Cypress Hill ♪</i>

336
00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:29,428
<i>♪ Cypress ♪</i>

337
00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:30,846
[audience]
<i>♪ Cypress ♪</i>

338
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:31,972
<i>♪ Cypress Hill ♪</i>

339
00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:33,223
[audience]
<i>♪ Cypress Hill ♪</i>

340
00:15:33,307 --> 00:15:36,268
I have Steve-O in my head
always saying things like,

341
00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:38,646
"I'm just right here.
I'm just right here."

342
00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:39,998
Him, I think, saying to me,

343
00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:42,262
"Don't worry about it.
I'm doing my job. I'm right here."

344
00:15:43,108 --> 00:15:44,753
[Estevan] Alright, we're still on our way.

345
00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,737
[laughter]

346
00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:48,364
[man singing]

347
00:15:48,572 --> 00:15:50,741
[Sen] The most pissed-on
fucking countryside I've seen.

348
00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:53,803
- [Estevan] What else are we gonna do?
- [Sen] We need to get there before you do.

349
00:15:53,827 --> 00:15:54,827
[driver] Fucking Ireland.

350
00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:58,332
- [boy] Oh, he's stuck!
- [driver] You fucking bollocks!

351
00:15:58,415 --> 00:15:59,416
[boy yells]

352
00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:00,876
[Sen] What the fuck did he say?

353
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,670
[driver] We have to go backstage,
you know?

354
00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:04,856
[policeman] You can't get in that way.
It's too small.

355
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,174
- [driver] We wanna go backstage.
- Yeah, you got a pass?

356
00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:09,843
Yeah, we... This is our pass. Cypress Hill.

357
00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,637
- [policeman] Cypress... Oh, yeah.
- Yeah.

358
00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,390
- [Sen] We made it, Engolf.
- [Estevan chuckles]

359
00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:16,368
[Estevan] I'm on tour
with The Beastie Boys,

360
00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:17,559
No Doubt, The Fugees,

361
00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,728
Limp Bizkit, Erykah Badu,

362
00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:21,397
and all these other bands,

363
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,024
and I'm the only one there with a camera.

364
00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:27,194
[rock music playing]

365
00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:29,714
[Estevan] You're going from nothing
to seeing thousands of people

366
00:16:29,738 --> 00:16:33,492
losing their fucking minds to the song
that you guys are bringing, you know?

367
00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:35,536
So, you're, like, "Fuck, man."

368
00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:37,663
That's when I started, like, feeling like,

369
00:16:37,746 --> 00:16:40,416
"Okay, yeah, I need
to take pictures of all this shit."

370
00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:43,669
[screaming]

371
00:16:43,752 --> 00:16:45,462
This is Southern California, motherfucker.

372
00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:49,216
[Estevan] I started offering my photos
to the magazines,

373
00:16:49,299 --> 00:16:51,885
so music magazines
started publishing my photos.

374
00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:53,512
[birds chirping]

375
00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:00,894
Yo, kick it off, dog.

376
00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,896
One, two, three. Chickity boom bang.

377
00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:05,607
Estevan...

378
00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:08,694
The motherfucker was the man, you know?
He was a man of many hats.

379
00:17:08,902 --> 00:17:11,613
When I met him,
I was about 14, 15 years old.

380
00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:14,658
I was in the group The Whooliganz.
I rapped. I was a rapper.

381
00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,428
<i>♪ Book your silly crick
Put your hands up ♪</i>

382
00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:18,579
[Alchemist] Me and my man Scotty.
Scotty Caan.

383
00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,792
[Scott] We had made a record with B-Real,
so they were bringing us out on tour

384
00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:25,836
to pump up our record
that hadn't come out yet.

385
00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:29,131
So, I'm 16 years old in that situation,

386
00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:32,968
with nothing to do,
but be alive for one hour.

387
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,970
Otherwise, it was, like, hit on girls,

388
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,306
smoke weed and drink,
and hang out with your idols.

389
00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:41,226
I don't like to represent an age group.
I'm representing hip-hop.

390
00:17:41,685 --> 00:17:43,725
You know,
he started fucking with the camera then...

391
00:17:44,104 --> 00:17:46,231
Alchemist started fucking
with beats then and...

392
00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:47,834
- Can we say "fuck"?
- [producer] Yeah.

393
00:17:47,858 --> 00:17:49,627
You talk about that time,
you can't not curse.

394
00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:50,861
It's impossible, you know?

395
00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:53,864
You gotta remember, in '93,
Soul Assassins,

396
00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:56,533
Cypress Hill, House of Pain,
they were the top of rap.

397
00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,203
You know, you had Dre and Snoop otherwise,

398
00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:02,456
but other than that,
this was the biggest shit going on.

399
00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:04,458
That was Soul Assassins. We were the top.

400
00:18:04,541 --> 00:18:07,836
[hip-hop music playing]

401
00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:11,507
[Pat] I met Estevan Oriol
25 plus years ago.

402
00:18:11,715 --> 00:18:14,343
It was surreal for a 16-year-old
to go to a concert

403
00:18:14,426 --> 00:18:16,946
with The Whooliganz opening up
for House of Pain and Cypress Hill

404
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,156
at the height of their career.

405
00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,620
We were backstage, and they almost
shut the whole concert down

406
00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:23,352
because some guy named Estevan
punched out the bootleggers.

407
00:18:23,435 --> 00:18:26,897
They would get your artwork
from the newspaper and make a shirt.

408
00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:29,209
Like an hour before the show,
a couple... All the homeboys

409
00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:32,113
would like, put their hoods on and, like,
go walk through the parking lot

410
00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,905
and you'd just be sittin'
by the, you know, by the trailers,

411
00:18:34,988 --> 00:18:36,824
- and you just hear, "Wham!"
- Damn!

412
00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,159
And dudes would just get knocked out cold,
like...

413
00:18:39,243 --> 00:18:40,369
I won't name any names.

414
00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:43,163
- [producer] Name names.
- Muggs, Estevan.

415
00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:44,706
Motherfucker said something...

416
00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:46,750
So I punch him in the face.

417
00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:47,876
Poor guy.

418
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,640
[Pat] So, that's when I met Estevan Oriol.

419
00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,390
Him beating up a bootlegger
in San Francisco

420
00:18:51,421 --> 00:18:53,507
at a Soul Assassins' concert.

421
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:56,176
When I met Steve-O, he was tour manager,

422
00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,720
the all-time funny guy...

423
00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:02,975
slash photographer, slash DJ.

424
00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:07,437
From their platinum album <i>Temples of Boom,</i>
you guys, here is Cypress Hill!

425
00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,858
<i>♪ All this confusion's stressing me
Out in my mind ♪</i>

426
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:14,486
There were times I think
where he even may have filled in

427
00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:17,573
as a member of Cypress Hill in interviews.

428
00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:20,701
You can't blame all of us
for these few groups.

429
00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:22,804
[Jim] Clearly,
the controversy is going to continue.

430
00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:24,889
- Thanks a lot for joining us.
- Thanks for having us.

431
00:19:24,913 --> 00:19:27,082
This is Cypress Hill.
And now, back to New York.

432
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,542
[people shouting]

433
00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:29,625
[Chuck D] Then fight!

434
00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:33,088
[police car siren wailing]

435
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,758
I think it all changed, though,
when I did my first album cover.

436
00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,486
["Fight the Power" by Public Enemy
playing]

437
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:40,053
[Cartoon] There were the 1992 riots.

438
00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,889
It's not a message of protest.

439
00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:44,266
It's the brutality of a mob.

440
00:19:44,349 --> 00:19:46,727
[shouting]

441
00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:49,605
[Cartoon] The verdict was read,
and the streets went crazy.

442
00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,857
[hip-hop music playing]

443
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,317
Shit just happened.

444
00:19:53,483 --> 00:19:57,362
Blacks and Mexicans started looking
at each other, communicating

445
00:19:57,446 --> 00:19:58,989
like family.

446
00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:01,867
Boy, they didn't like that.
They didn't like that.

447
00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:05,662
I remember that day,
driving on the 110 freeway,

448
00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:10,083
going to Hollywood
and seeing the sides of the 110

449
00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:11,835
with fire on each side of it.

450
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,671
What it did was, it spawned a relationship

451
00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:17,549
from '92 to now that they can never break.

452
00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:20,093
[Cartoon] But as crazy as that shit was,

453
00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,012
that everything was on fire

454
00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,890
and the injustice against Rodney King,

455
00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,476
and "fuck the police," and this and that,

456
00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:31,021
I was driving,
and the Kid Frost album cover I had drawn

457
00:20:31,104 --> 00:20:33,440
was blown up on a billboard

458
00:20:33,523 --> 00:20:34,733
for Virgin Records.

459
00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:39,696
Now I'm in the music game,
and I don't even play the guitar.

460
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,741
[car horn honking]

461
00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:46,745
Behind me is
where me and Cartoon first met.

462
00:20:46,828 --> 00:20:49,623
On that particular night,
they rented out the top floor

463
00:20:49,706 --> 00:20:52,251
for The Penthouse Players
record release party.

464
00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:55,295
Me and my friend Donnie Charles,
we went there together.

465
00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:56,797
Right when we walked in,

466
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,757
he saw Cartoon, and he goes, "Hey..."

467
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,385
"Come over here, uh,
I want you to meet my other homie.

468
00:21:01,468 --> 00:21:02,552
He's Mexican too."

469
00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,236
"Both of you guys are in the music game.

470
00:21:04,304 --> 00:21:06,723
He did The Penthouse Players' album cover.

471
00:21:06,807 --> 00:21:09,810
You guys just kick it right here,
and I'm gonna go roll around."

472
00:21:10,477 --> 00:21:13,605
"E" impacted my life
because I found someone

473
00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,732
that was on the same mission I was,

474
00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:17,985
artistically, friendship-wise.

475
00:21:18,068 --> 00:21:20,570
[Yolanda] I remember him telling me,
"Mommy," says,

476
00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:24,116
"I met a guy that thinks
along the same lines I do."

477
00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,077
Probably my first seeing Cartoon
was, like, early '94.

478
00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,787
[B-Real] If I remember correctly,

479
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:31,873
it was at Muggs' crib
up in the Hollywood Hills.

480
00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:36,753
- They were in a '64 Impala.
- [David] It is a buddy comedy.

481
00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,798
[Muggs] Abbott and Costello.
These two motherfuckers was non-stop.

482
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,216
They knew how to hustle.

483
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,180
[Cartoon] At the beginning,
it was rough for us.

484
00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:46,805
And the more we hung out,
the more we just started building on ideas

485
00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:50,142
of things that we could do
to make money that weren't illegal.

486
00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:52,370
[man] The check dance.
Let's see the... Let's see the...

487
00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:53,562
The stripper check.

488
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:59,026
Back in those days, you know,
there was no Estevan without Cartoon.

489
00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:04,656
[Muggs] Cartoon's role in Soul Assassins,
he's like the... the visuals.

490
00:22:04,781 --> 00:22:07,534
We saw the talent in him.
We believed in him.

491
00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,043
[Estevan] Get in there.
Get in there, fucker.

492
00:22:16,126 --> 00:22:17,126
[Cartoon] For real?

493
00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:19,504
[Cartoon exhales]

494
00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:21,757
Turn the camera off!

495
00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,260
[ferry boat horns honking]

496
00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:28,138
- [Estevan] Where we at?
- We're in a ferry right now.

497
00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:30,223
Fucking eight in the morning and shit.

498
00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:31,850
[Cartoon] I'm so tired.

499
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:35,270
All that tour life, man,
I think that's what kind of molded us

500
00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:38,231
to be able to have
different relationships, you know?

501
00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:39,941
Just living that life, man.

502
00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:41,627
- [woman] You're high, man.
- [Estevan] Wow!

503
00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:43,379
What do you think about that?
It looks crazy.

504
00:22:43,403 --> 00:22:45,283
[Estevan]
I'll take a little piece and taste it.

505
00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,325
When Cartoon first started coming around,
he started doing all of our shit.

506
00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:50,577
He was mad talented.

507
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,080
[Cartoon] I would do the stage design.

508
00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,525
[man over speakers] <i>Check, check.</i>

509
00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,124
[Cartoon] Artwork that I had drawn

510
00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,503
would get blown up
into this big giant blow-up doll

511
00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:01,630
of a king sitting on a throne,

512
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:03,632
the most gangster shit I could think of.

513
00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:06,676
I hadn't even started tattooing.
I didn't even have a tattoo yet.

514
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,011
It wasn't until later I started

515
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,555
hangin' around
professional tattoo shops that...

516
00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:13,100
[sniffs]
...the smell of the green soap,

517
00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:15,394
the energy of the shop kind of drew me in.

518
00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,146
My life would go another direction.

519
00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:22,901
[rhythmic music playing]

520
00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:31,827
[man] This is NFC,
stands for "No Fat Chicks."

521
00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:36,748
A long, long time ago,
I made a tattoo machine...

522
00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:39,626
for my partner Cartoon.

523
00:23:39,709 --> 00:23:42,170
And this is what he started
tattooing me with.

524
00:23:43,213 --> 00:23:45,882
[Cartoon] Even though I was good
at drawing on paper,

525
00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:50,595
and I could do graffiti, airbrush,
skin was a completely different world.

526
00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:54,683
[Muggs] His transition
from drawing to the tattoo game

527
00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,685
had everybody shook.

528
00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:59,092
[Alchemist] I don't remember exactly
how he transitioned,

529
00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:01,946
but I remember, like, his first tattoos.
It was, like, "Oh, it's over."

530
00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:04,568
[Estevan] Cartoon came in
and changed the game.

531
00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:07,404
[Alchemist] From spraying on a metal
to "Give me this fucking gun,"

532
00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:09,531
he just, like, took to skin

533
00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:11,700
like it was just second nature.

534
00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:14,911
[tattoo machine buzzing]

535
00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,123
In the early days,
he'd bring me all my customers.

536
00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,459
I'd just see all these people
and all these bands,

537
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:22,878
and I'd see their tattoos and I was like,

538
00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:25,714
"Fuck, man, that tattoo looks like shit."

539
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:27,841
[Cartoon]
Just see them at a concert and be like,

540
00:24:27,924 --> 00:24:30,177
"Oh, you like tattoos?
That's a nice tattoo.

541
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:32,888
You ever got tattooed by Cartoon?
He did this on me."

542
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,806
And I showed them mine,
and they were fresh.

543
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:35,970
Most of the guys were like,

544
00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:37,809
"Oh, that's badass, you know.
Who did that?"

545
00:24:37,893 --> 00:24:40,812
"My boy Cartoon. He brought his shit.
You can get tattooed with him."

546
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:42,981
That's how I got all my clients, you know?

547
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,316
My big ones.

548
00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:47,068
[hip-hop music playing]

549
00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:52,991
There is so much going on with those guys.

550
00:24:53,783 --> 00:24:56,077
[hip-hop music playing]

551
00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:58,622
[Paul] They're super ambitious,
super creative.

552
00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:01,309
You just want this same style,
but just a little more symmetrical.

553
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:02,291
[man] Like this.

554
00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:03,794
[Paul] Super fun to be around.

555
00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:05,587
Super assholes at times.

556
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:09,591
Hey, Paul,
we're ready to get Jewish, get right.

557
00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:11,927
I know Toons went
on the Anger Management Tour

558
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,010
over to Europe.

559
00:25:13,428 --> 00:25:14,513
Everybody hung out.

560
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:16,223
Anger Management Tour.

561
00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:18,099
- This was the tour.
- Damn.

562
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,976
[Bobo] We're doing
these European festivals

563
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,229
and you get access to all these bands.

564
00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:23,647
I mean, all-access pass.

565
00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:27,526
Whookid is accused
of trying to bribe a prostitute

566
00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:29,569
with a mixtape and two tickets.

567
00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:32,614
[all laugh and yell]

568
00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:35,575
[Xzibit] Order in court! Order in court!

569
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:38,662
Did you or did you not pay for pussy?

570
00:25:38,745 --> 00:25:40,247
I paid for entertainment.

571
00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:42,874
[all laugh]

572
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:46,086
[hip-hop music playing]

573
00:25:48,004 --> 00:25:49,673
He's a pro at that, man.

574
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,473
It was crazy, he was tattooing
on tour over there in Europe.

575
00:25:58,765 --> 00:25:59,849
Amsterdam.

576
00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,602
I came over here to Europe
to come with Cypress Hill.

577
00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:07,065
Actually,
it's a Cartoon tour featuring 50 Cent.

578
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:08,775
He makes me want a tattoo and shit.

579
00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:11,987
- [Cartoon] Eminem.
- Cartoon, homie. Y'all can't afford it.

580
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:14,573
- [Cartoon] Xzibit.
- Fucking ecstasy, man!

581
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:15,740
[Cartoon] Cypress Hill.

582
00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:19,202
It ain't easy, but somebody gotta do it.
Why the hell not you, right?

583
00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:21,496
Basically, my tattoo customers
are getting together

584
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,373
and throwing some type of little concert.

585
00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:25,667
That was pretty cool
'cause he was doing it sometimes

586
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:26,710
right backstage.

587
00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:30,005
[tattoo machine buzzing]

588
00:26:30,088 --> 00:26:33,109
- You're coming with us tomorrow, right?
- We're coming at 3:00 p.m. 2:00 p...

589
00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:34,133
No, 1:00 p.m.

590
00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:37,345
I was Proof before it, but this really...

591
00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:41,266
Wow! I'm Proof now, for real, for real,
you know what I'm saying?

592
00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:43,085
[Cartoon] Motherfuckers are bored,

593
00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:45,520
so when you have a tattoo machine
going in the back...

594
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:46,914
What do you got on that shoulder?

595
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:50,317
...and you're in Germany somewhere,
you're gonna be there all day.

596
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,776
He's got another victim.

597
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,822
He shoulda did a class photo
with all his ink victims on this tour.

598
00:26:57,657 --> 00:27:00,910
[Eric] He did Bizarre from D12.
He did his belly, man.

599
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,121
I remember, I was there
just watching him do this.

600
00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:04,623
He had a lot of real estate.

601
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:05,664
[chuckling]

602
00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:08,543
He had lot of real estate right there.
It was crazy.

603
00:27:08,668 --> 00:27:09,919
[Bizarre] If you're a rapper

604
00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:14,633
and you ain't got a tattoo by Cartoon,
then you ain't living.

605
00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:16,676
[chuckling]

606
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,970
[hip-hop music playing]

607
00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,473
[Cartoon]
I was just that guy in the industry

608
00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:23,725
and people were coming to see me
because of my work.

609
00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:25,894
I surrounded myself by talent.

610
00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:29,356
[hip-hop music playing]

611
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:31,190
[tattoo machine buzzing]

612
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:41,993
[hip-hop music playing]

613
00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:47,374
[Cartoon] 25 years old,
this is holding its weight.

614
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,959
DL, all day strong.
Know what I'm talkin' bout?

615
00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:53,630
<i>Hola.</i>

616
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,244
[Estevan] Is there anywhere
to go get something to eat?

617
00:28:07,268 --> 00:28:08,687
Terminal two.

618
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:10,355
- [Estevan] Huh?
- Terminal two.

619
00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:12,198
- [Estevan] How do you get there?
- You go...

620
00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:14,943
Where did she say to turn?

621
00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,194
[Estevan] The green ramp.

622
00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:21,366
New York City. No one's here.

623
00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:23,594
- [Estevan] You need that?
- No.

624
00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:25,378
- [Estevan] Let's go.
- [baggage claim siren]

625
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,665
[hip-hop music playing]

626
00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:31,697
[Eric] Before you know it,
everybody was calling Cartoon.

627
00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:33,753
He was top name, flying him in.

628
00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:36,631
Well, at that point in time,
everybody started getting tatted up.

629
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,007
Hey, let's order a pizza pie.

630
00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:39,568
Gang Starr, you know what I'm saying?

631
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:42,512
That means that's me
and my motherfucking man Preemo, okay?

632
00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:43,763
- DJ Premier.
- Yeah.

633
00:28:45,181 --> 00:28:48,309
[Premier] Only real shit gets done
on me anyway, so the realest shit,

634
00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:49,602
Mister Cartoon.

635
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,854
This hot, though, this hot.

636
00:28:50,937 --> 00:28:52,480
He's created a masterpiece.

637
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,734
[door creaking]

638
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,402
[scoffs] Busted.

639
00:28:57,485 --> 00:28:58,778
[laughs]

640
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:02,240
I'm gonna leave my whole little
cigarette binge right here in New York,

641
00:29:02,323 --> 00:29:03,323
where I found it.

642
00:29:03,324 --> 00:29:04,969
[Estevan] I thought you found it in Tokyo.

643
00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:05,993
Yeah, but...

644
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,329
I can't leave it there
cause I'm over here.

645
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:10,290
[hip-hop music playing]

646
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:11,791
That nigga Cartoon be doin'.

647
00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:20,091
You see, this is how we do it.

648
00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:22,177
And... And what you have with Estevan...

649
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:25,221
If I tell you to shut the fuck up,
will you shut the fuck up?

650
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:27,474
Insane drug addict, alcoholic.

651
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:28,808
He was partying his ass off.

652
00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:32,270
[Cartoon] I might've experimented
with every kind of drug you could try.

653
00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,814
PCP, blow, mushrooms,

654
00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:36,900
acid, ecstasy,

655
00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:38,026
MDMA.

656
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,612
I'd wake up
with the craziest cramps in my legs.

657
00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:42,614
And... it was just too much.

658
00:29:42,697 --> 00:29:44,616
We looked at each other and we were like,

659
00:29:44,699 --> 00:29:46,701
"We need to go to the next level, man."

660
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:50,205
And to go to the next level,
"E" had to leave...

661
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:52,791
the substances behind.

662
00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,083
[David] And he got sober

663
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,670
and sponsored
countless amount of people for years.

664
00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,757
Once he got sober,
I just seen domination kick in.

665
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,842
And they grew that empire,

666
00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:04,719
Soul Assassins Studios.

667
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,805
Before you know it... [imitates explosion]

668
00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:09,182
[crowd cheering]

669
00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:13,788
I mean, should I tell you...
I can tell you the whole story now.

670
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,356
["Children's Story" by Slick Rick playing]

671
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:20,349
<i>♪ Now here's a little something
That needs to be heard ♪</i>

672
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,446
[Snoop]
My first time going to S.A. Studios,

673
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:24,906
lowriders,

674
00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:27,200
rims,

675
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:28,952
the art on the wall.

676
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:31,246
I was like a kid in a candy store.

677
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:35,124
It was like a Chicano...

678
00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:37,210
like a camp, like a club.

679
00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:39,295
These dudes are like cholo Da Vincis.

680
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,423
I never would've found them
if I hadn't become successful.

681
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:44,884
[Eminem] Yeah. Yeah. Check, check.

682
00:30:45,468 --> 00:30:48,429
Yo. I remember walking in,
though, and being like,

683
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,557
"Damn, you guys made it."

684
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,143
[chuckling]
'Cause it was, like, fucking incredible.

685
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:55,436
[Travis] You're in downtown,

686
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,772
and you're in the thick of it,
Skid Row is right there,

687
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,024
and that spot was super jammin'.
I loved that.

688
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,443
[Eminem] It seemed like it should be
like a tour museum.

689
00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:04,237
Like, people need to see that shit.

690
00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:08,324
[Estevan] When we first moved down here,
this was an extension of Skid Row.

691
00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:12,495
This is where the homeless used to live.
The people on drugs or mentally ill.

692
00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,081
That's what this area was like before.

693
00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:18,585
Can you see it? All right.
The Art Department were those two windows.

694
00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:20,503
And we had like a little showroom here.

695
00:31:20,837 --> 00:31:24,841
We had all of our cars
laid out behind these windows.

696
00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:26,801
Inside that double doors right there

697
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:30,221
was Cartoon's Skid Row Tattoo.

698
00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:32,348
S.A. Studios. That was a great time.

699
00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:33,600
It was like a hideout.

700
00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,394
You guys gave us the tour.
Like, showed us a bunch of shit.

701
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:38,813
[Alchemist]
It was kind of like a wild playground.

702
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:41,274
[Estevan] Come on! Let's go! Busted! Yeah!

703
00:31:41,357 --> 00:31:42,400
Shalom.

704
00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:44,611
Yeah, I got a good tattoo
for you guys right here.

705
00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:46,905
- Oh!
- [man laughs]

706
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,032
The Jew unit in effect,
you know what I'm saying?

707
00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:50,551
["Bust a Move" by Young MC's playing]

708
00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:53,328
[David] We have these two guys
with shaved heads covered in tattoos,

709
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,891
and then you go to their office,
and they have their own Nikes,

710
00:31:55,955 --> 00:31:57,248
they have their own Vans.

711
00:31:57,332 --> 00:31:59,667
And Estevan's sittin' there,
and his room's a mess,

712
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:02,086
and he has like a little gun on the table.

713
00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:05,924
[Travis] Motorcycles.
It was the illest, illest studio ever.

714
00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:08,259
It was nothing like I'd ever seen before.

715
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,886
I'm green with envy.

716
00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:13,264
When I walked out and I saw Too $hort,
and then I saw Darlene,

717
00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,224
Ice-T's old wife, right?

718
00:32:15,308 --> 00:32:16,643
Well, I saw 50 there.

719
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:17,769
I saw Dre, Snoop.

720
00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:20,021
You know, every day
was somebody else coming through.

721
00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:21,940
I saw her walking in, and I'm like,

722
00:32:22,023 --> 00:32:24,692
"Oh, this must be the spot."
You know what I'm saying? Like...

723
00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:26,778
[Sen] I saw Eminem over there.

724
00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:27,904
He tatted me there.

725
00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:29,667
I think one day
I saw Kim Kardashian there.

726
00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:32,075
Went and done a photo shoot with her
or whatever.

727
00:32:32,158 --> 00:32:33,358
You guys still got that place?

728
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,704
The building itself
seemed slightly dangerous.

729
00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:37,872
Oh, there comes shitbox.

730
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,833
[Brian] I'm sure it's really dangerous,
but since you planted

731
00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:42,377
your spot there it became...

732
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,504
[chuckling]
It was like a safe house or something.

733
00:32:44,587 --> 00:32:46,923
[Sen] The homeless people around it,
they took care of it.

734
00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:49,606
You know, that's why no one
ever really messed with that building.

735
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,887
[Estevan] Pull your ass over.
Face the wall.

736
00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:55,765
And I wanna see your ID and your bike.

737
00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,433
There's my ID,

738
00:32:57,517 --> 00:32:58,893
there's my nutsack,

739
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,311
and fuck you, my ass.

740
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:04,482
[Cartoon] It seems like we were able
to exist in multiple worlds.

741
00:33:04,565 --> 00:33:05,692
You know what I'm saying?

742
00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:08,194
For lunch, we'd be in downtown

743
00:33:08,277 --> 00:33:11,322
and bullshitting
with some crazy homeless guy in his tent.

744
00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,741
Estevan would jump out
and take a picture of him.

745
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:18,413
And then we'd jump on the 10 freeway
and be at a five-star hotel.

746
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,415
It was just normal,
you know what I'm saying?

747
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,167
[Pepper] I'm Pepper, you know?

748
00:33:23,251 --> 00:33:26,129
I'm Skid Row's
most highest-ranked right now.

749
00:33:26,295 --> 00:33:27,839
I'm the mayor of Skid Row.

750
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,216
The homeless pretty much answer to me.

751
00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:32,677
Factory place was dead.

752
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,388
When Joker, Cartoon, everyone come here.

753
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,433
They brought the factory to life, okay?

754
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,560
And then I came into the scene.

755
00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:43,479
- [Estevan] How old you turn?
- Forty-one.

756
00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:45,023
Okay, I'm 50.

757
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:47,775
Soon to be 51 in a couple of months.

758
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:51,779
I'm an ex-convict,
ex-drug dealer, ex-drug user.

759
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,489
I gutted his ass.

760
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,867
We got in an argument, so I gutted him.

761
00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,286
This family never gave up on me.

762
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:02,749
They never gave up on me when I was
all filthy, drugged out and shit.

763
00:34:02,832 --> 00:34:04,792
When I was thrown in and out
of County Jail,

764
00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,756
they accepted me with open arms
when I come out.

765
00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:09,255
[Cartoon] I've been dealing
with homeless people

766
00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:10,548
all my life, you know.

767
00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,175
They don't wanna follow rules.

768
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,135
I work when I wanna work.

769
00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:16,971
Sleep when I wanna sleep.

770
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,016
Sleep where I wanna sleep.

771
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,895
[Cartoon] They have a problem
with authority.

772
00:34:23,978 --> 00:34:27,315
And whoever don't like it,
fuck them in their ass and suck my dick.

773
00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:30,276
For the fourth time today.
This is harassment.

774
00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,403
Fourth time being stopped for no reason.

775
00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:33,988
[Pepper continues yelling]

776
00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:36,300
- [Estevan] See you tomorrow, Pepper!
- [Pepper] All right.

777
00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:39,243
[Cartoon] We could fall off
and lose all our shit.

778
00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:40,620
Pepper's world.

779
00:34:40,703 --> 00:34:43,289
[Cartoon] So, any of us
could be walking the streets, you know?

780
00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:44,832
Drugs will take you down there.

781
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:49,212
But that's the way life goes.
Life is about change.

782
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:51,380
And change is what it's about.

783
00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:54,985
[Lepke] Look,
if y'all gonna keep telling me

784
00:34:55,009 --> 00:34:57,303
which way to move,
we can't do no interview. Damn!

785
00:34:57,595 --> 00:34:59,722
Look, are you good, cameraman? All right.

786
00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,142
Listen, I'm Big Lepke,
Westside Rebels, gangster <i>locos.</i>

787
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:04,977
Yeah, I'm an ex-gang member.

788
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:07,271
We up on Skid Row. We keep it real.

789
00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:09,774
Today we ain't trippin'.
Ain't no heroin in the veins.

790
00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:11,150
Ain't no rock in the mouth.

791
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,069
Skid Row was my home.

792
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,071
Some people call it "hell."
I call it "home."

793
00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:16,280
The city I roam.

794
00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:19,742
[Estevan] So, right here Lepke
would get the boxes

795
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,285
from when we'd throw them out,

796
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:23,121
and he'd make
like a little bed right here.

797
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,748
I remember one time
we were coming to have a meeting here

798
00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:28,167
and Lepke, he'd been shooting heroin.

799
00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:31,754
We were like,
"Great, fucking Lepke's passed out.

800
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:35,049
The clients are coming,
and we're gonna have this big meeting,

801
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,802
and there's our, you know,
dopefiend friend

802
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,513
passed out from shooting too much heroin.

803
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,559
You know, he didn't OD, so we didn't
have to stick an ice cube up his ass.

804
00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:48,229
But he was knocked out,
so we had to spray him with some water...

805
00:35:50,356 --> 00:35:51,732
so he could come to.

806
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:53,484
[Cartoon] Hey.

807
00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:55,945
[laughing] Come back.

808
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,655
Get him later.

809
00:35:57,738 --> 00:35:58,948
I'm over here, kickin' it.

810
00:35:59,031 --> 00:36:01,093
- [Cartoon] Don't threaten me, man.
- Hey, motherfucker.

811
00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,744
No, no, we told him, "You gotta go.
We're gonna have a meeting."

812
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:05,663
Oh, suck a dick.

813
00:36:05,788 --> 00:36:09,167
Yeah, he squirted some water in my nose,
and it was a cool wake-up call.

814
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:10,730
I always think about stuff like that.

815
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,378
You're gonna get kicked.

816
00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:15,965
So, downtown has always been
a Soul Assassins' headquarters.

817
00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:20,970
It was kind of like a home base.
Kind of reminds me of Grand Theft Auto.

818
00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:22,221
Estevan was upstairs,

819
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:23,764
Cartoon was tattooing.

820
00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:26,142
There was eyes on it.
It was protected, man, yeah.

821
00:36:26,225 --> 00:36:28,853
There's like a shield around it
or something.

822
00:36:28,936 --> 00:36:32,315
But you take pictures, you do cars,
all that stuff in that space.

823
00:36:32,398 --> 00:36:34,275
You tattoo there.

824
00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:35,568
[tattoo machine buzzing]

825
00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:37,904
There's only one guy
that I let do my tattoos,

826
00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,363
and my kids' tattoos.

827
00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:41,574
The great Cartoon.

828
00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:45,995
[slow music playing]

829
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,644
[Danny, in Spanish] How does the car look?

830
00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:54,545
- [man, in Spanish] Great.
- [Danny laughing]

831
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:56,756
[in English] Tattoos used to be a stigma.

832
00:36:56,839 --> 00:36:57,839
I mean, a bad one.

833
00:36:58,007 --> 00:36:59,258
When I got out of the pen,

834
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:02,595
the first girl I saw with a tattoo, I...
I thought she was a hooker.

835
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,513
Before him, tattooing hip-hop guys,

836
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:07,433
I don't think there was
a prominent position in hip-hop

837
00:37:07,516 --> 00:37:09,156
where guys were getting tatted like that.

838
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,479
Nobody was...
Like, in hip-hop, was about that.

839
00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:12,563
I mean...

840
00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:16,651
Fuck, I mean, I feel like Cartoon
gave Eminem one of his first tattoos,

841
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:19,237
Didn't he? He gave Snoop
one of his first tattoos.

842
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,198
[Snoop] Look at this, man.
I really look like my old boy Nate Dogg.

843
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,575
It looks like my lovely wife.

844
00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:26,202
He captured that, man.

845
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:28,788
I mean, I don't even have
a Cartoon tattoo, believe it or not.

846
00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:30,790
That's, you know what I mean,
I'd love one.

847
00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:34,126
But, you know, I'm not paying 50 Gs.
[chuckling] I'm just not doing it.

848
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,421
This guy is the best in the world,
but he costs an arm and a leg.

849
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,425
He'll tattoo your arm
and he'll take it with you.

850
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,926
Hey, man, it's worth it.

851
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,988
- [Cartoon] Talk about your new tattoo.
- Cartoon is the greatest tattoo artist

852
00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:46,555
to ever live.

853
00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:51,227
[Cartoon] This should be enough for this,
because, my man...

854
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:54,355
He's the greatest, the quickest, uh...

855
00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,483
- [Cartoon] With the biggest truck.
- With the biggest truck.

856
00:37:58,192 --> 00:37:59,735
It's getting expensive, man.

857
00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:01,946
With the biggest truck...

858
00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,031
in the world, probably.

859
00:38:04,323 --> 00:38:06,993
I mean, his clientele, you know,
it's like, you know, Travis,

860
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,577
and Eminem, Redman,

861
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:09,996
Method Man, you know,

862
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,372
Justin Timberlake,

863
00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:12,999
Beyoncé from Destiny's Child...

864
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:14,208
Don't show me.

865
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,043
[Beyoncé laughs]

866
00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:17,562
[Skinhead Rob] It's appointment only

867
00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:20,673
and not every deek off the street
can just come in and get something.

868
00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,883
I knew If I was gonna get
my fucking head done,

869
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:25,136
for what I wanted and stuff,
and the style,

870
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,822
I knew it was gonna be Cartoon, you know.

871
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:29,640
[tattoo machine buzzing]

872
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:32,018
[upbeat music playing]

873
00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:44,864
That was an experience.

874
00:38:44,947 --> 00:38:47,366
[Ryan] I would hear his name in songs.
The Game,

875
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:50,119
there's a couple of rap songs
where he drops Cartoon's name.

876
00:38:50,202 --> 00:38:52,830
<i>♪ I'm to hip-hop
What Cartoon is to Mexicans ♪</i>

877
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:56,184
[Paul R., Jr] You know, I'm a hip-hop fan,
and, so, I would see Cartoon

878
00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:57,543
pop up in music videos.

879
00:38:57,626 --> 00:38:59,462
["Ups & Downs" by Snoop Dogg playing]

880
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,717
<i>♪ From the reign of the tec
I break 'em off ♪</i>

881
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,428
<i>♪ I even got a tattoo
With your name across the chest ♪</i>

882
00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:08,591
[Ryan] In the waiting room,

883
00:39:08,637 --> 00:39:10,407
I remember looking
at the pictures on the wall,

884
00:39:10,431 --> 00:39:12,141
pictures Estevan probably took.

885
00:39:12,224 --> 00:39:15,186
Cartoon was tatting up all those,
50 Cent, Eminem and Dr. Dre.

886
00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:17,271
If Xzibit was getting tattooed,

887
00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,691
Estevan was photographing him,
and you'd see that photo everywhere.

888
00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:26,030
[Ryan] I knew pretty early on
that he had done the Xs on Xzibit,

889
00:39:26,113 --> 00:39:27,448
that he did 50 Cent's back,

890
00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:29,825
You know, 50 got that shit
on his back, man.

891
00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,202
That shit is crazy.

892
00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:33,079
<i>♪ One, two, three, let's go! ♪</i>

893
00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:35,974
["Disco Inferno" by 50 Cent playing]
<i>♪ Lil' mama, show me how you move it ♪</i>

894
00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:38,167
<i>♪ Go ahead, put your back into it ♪</i>

895
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:42,463
[Cartoon] More people were coming down,
more people were willing to come downtown.

896
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:46,634
I mean, back then, people used to complain
about having to drive to downtown.

897
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:48,886
"Oh, all the way downtown?"

898
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:51,555
They wouldn't go east of La Brea.

899
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,099
50 Cent, my boy Cartoon.

900
00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:54,892
We out here in LA, boy.

901
00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,228
[Estevan] Cartoon
was tattooing 50 Cent in there,

902
00:39:57,311 --> 00:39:59,855
and he said he had to go have a meeting.

903
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:03,234
He was going to sign
with Jimmy Iovine at Interscope.

904
00:40:03,317 --> 00:40:04,275
[50 Cent] Huh? Huh?

905
00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:06,320
[Estevan] So he had to leave
for an hour or two.

906
00:40:06,737 --> 00:40:10,658
So me and Cartoon left
in his brand-new white Escalade

907
00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:12,952
on, like, 22-inch rims.

908
00:40:13,035 --> 00:40:14,075
[police car siren wailing]

909
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,832
[Estevan] About six police officers
followed us down that street.

910
00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:19,667
They pulled us both out of the car.

911
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,545
They threw me on the ground,
put the handcuffs behind my back,

912
00:40:22,628 --> 00:40:25,798
put his shotgun
in the back of my head right here,

913
00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:27,007
and he was shaking.

914
00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:28,342
What happened was...

915
00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,428
Some motorcycle cop
was put in the hospital

916
00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:34,598
by a young gentleman with a shaved head
looking a lot like me,

917
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,934
driving a truck like this.

918
00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:39,812
[Estevan] We have customers here
from out of town.

919
00:40:39,895 --> 00:40:42,314
And they go, "Hey,
you guys gotta go," then 50 Cent said...

920
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:45,818
I ain't did it. Cartoon ain't did it.
Leave us the fuck alone.

921
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,213
[man] If you go on a talk show,
you have a big story to tell.

922
00:40:48,237 --> 00:40:49,321
I get my tattoo done...

923
00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:53,075
- [man] That tattoo artist got-
- Yeah, on my back. And they're harassing.

924
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,159
We ain't going nowhere.

925
00:40:54,201 --> 00:40:55,595
He's a friend of mine from Virginia,

926
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,722
but he's going to see this shit
and that's gonna be it.

927
00:40:57,746 --> 00:40:59,707
<i>♪ To flip dough
To get more for sho' ♪</i>

928
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,560
<i>♪ Get my drink on
Then get on the dance floor ♪</i>

929
00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:04,962
Did you ever get anybody, like, right
at this point, "Wait, I wanna change it"?

930
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:08,048
All you need now is, uh,
Mister Cartoon's signature.

931
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,048
[laughs]

932
00:41:09,049 --> 00:41:10,676
[Nas] What's up, y'all? It's Nas.

933
00:41:10,759 --> 00:41:13,053
Chillin' up here with my man Cartoon.

934
00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:14,781
[Method] Hey, yo, this is Meth right here.

935
00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:18,350
I just got a tattoo done
by the world-famous Cartoon.

936
00:41:18,434 --> 00:41:19,935
- Cartoon.
- Cartoon, baby.

937
00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:22,688
- What?
- [tattoo machine buzzing]

938
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,941
[crowd cheering]

939
00:41:30,571 --> 00:41:32,615
[Travis] Cartoon is...

940
00:41:32,698 --> 00:41:33,656
just an OG.

941
00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,284
He's one of the illest.

942
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:38,370
Cartoon really made
black and gray popular again.

943
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:42,249
I'd sit down with Cartoon,
and we really wouldn't even have a plan.

944
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,293
I would trust him to just go freehand.

945
00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:45,628
[soft music playing]

946
00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:48,797
I had an appointment with Cartoon.
We all came to my spot in Corona.

947
00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,674
We had just met,
but it felt, like, you know,

948
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,718
we had all been homies for a long time.

949
00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:54,196
[Cartoon] We got the kids with us,

950
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:56,100
we're taking the whole families,
Fourth of July.

951
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,599
[Travis] The first tattoo
Cartoon did on me was

952
00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:00,118
praying hands on the side of my head.

953
00:42:00,142 --> 00:42:02,144
It said, "Barker," like my family name.

954
00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:03,228
[tattoo machine buzzing]

955
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:05,231
It was like therapy or something,
you know.

956
00:42:05,314 --> 00:42:08,154
Just sitting with Toons, you don't even
realize you're getting tattooed.

957
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:11,320
I think the next tattoos he did

958
00:42:11,403 --> 00:42:13,864
was he started filling in
my ghetto blaster.

959
00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:16,075
He also did this Marilyn piece

960
00:42:16,158 --> 00:42:18,494
right on my Adam's apple,
that one's a hard one.

961
00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:20,829
Look at that shit.

962
00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:23,249
My son was born,
and we were recording the new record,

963
00:42:23,332 --> 00:42:24,792
and I'd decided that I wanted to get

964
00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:26,875
my wife and son's name tattooed,
and Travis said...

965
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:28,688
"Then you gotta go to Cartoon,
he's the best."

966
00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:32,550
And we were literally set up
on a road case in the living room

967
00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:34,176
with all my bass equipment in it.

968
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,470
And I was nervous
about getting my first tattoos.

969
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:38,490
I remember just as he was
about to start, he said,

970
00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:39,914
"Hey, man, I wanna give you props."

971
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:42,035
[Cartoon] Being the first-class guy
you are, you picked

972
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:44,144
one of the more painful spots
to get tattooed.

973
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,770
[both chuckle]

974
00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,940
[chuckles]
And he started tattooing "Jack."

975
00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:49,817
And about halfway through "Jack,"

976
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,069
I didn't know that the wife
was gonna happen at all.

977
00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:53,880
These are still the only
tattoos that I have.

978
00:42:53,904 --> 00:42:56,031
I don't know, being tattooed by Cartoon

979
00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:57,992
kind of feels like you're
in an exclusive club?

980
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,202
Anybody who has Cartoon tats,

981
00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:02,621
of any significance,
he's like... your brothers.

982
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:04,206
Now I'm brothers with 50 Cent,

983
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,250
Eminem, Beyoncé, and everybody else.

984
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,878
[Roger] Cartoon is instrumental
in bringing his tattoo style

985
00:43:09,962 --> 00:43:13,173
into the mainstream
for a really simple reason.

986
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:15,676
He's tattooing celebrities,

987
00:43:15,759 --> 00:43:17,386
he's tattooing athletes.

988
00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:18,929
Those people are photographed.

989
00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:21,515
You see those tattoos.
Those people are everywhere.

990
00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:25,227
[Dallas] I was lucky enough to go
to my first World Series and win it.

991
00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:27,688
I wanted that to stay with me
for the rest of my life.

992
00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:29,356
So I wanted Toons.

993
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,736
Being a tattoo artist,
our heroes were working out their kitchen

994
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:35,738
or their garage at their mom's house.

995
00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:41,994
They hadn't been to really
a red-carpet level at that point.

996
00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:44,413
There was some tattooers
that was higher than others

997
00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:45,664
that we looked up to...

998
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:50,628
but it wasn't set up that that was
the jewelry of an NBA player.

999
00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,380
- [commentator 1] Kobe!
- [commentator 2] Attacking. All the way!

1000
00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:55,633
[commentator 1] Kobe did it!

1001
00:43:55,716 --> 00:43:58,427
Tattoos are a big thing in NBA.

1002
00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:01,305
I mean, not just in NBA,
but just in sports culture in general.

1003
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:02,640
You know, I always said...

1004
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:04,600
'Cause I had guys on the team
that had tattoos,

1005
00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:07,645
but they didn't go to Mister Cartoon,
and it becomes pretty apparent

1006
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:09,968
because I can't read
what the fuck's on their arm anyway.

1007
00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:13,317
[Cartoon] A lot of it is not
how good of a tattooer you are.

1008
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,610
It's your timing

1009
00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:17,279
and who you surround yourself by.

1010
00:44:17,363 --> 00:44:19,823
You could be
the dopest motherfucker in the world,

1011
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,118
but if no one sees your shit 'cause you're
in some small town somewhere,

1012
00:44:23,535 --> 00:44:24,995
that's not Hollywood.

1013
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,206
[soft music playing]

1014
00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:29,249
[Cartoon]
We're right here in the mix of the shit.

1015
00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:34,713
[soft music playing]

1016
00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:36,924
I was in China.
We were staying at a hotel.

1017
00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:38,247
I went down to the weight room.

1018
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,460
There was a young woman
working behind the desk, right?

1019
00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:41,720
They have a policy.

1020
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:44,723
If you have tattoos on your arms,
you have to wear long sleeves.

1021
00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:46,183
I'm like, "What?"

1022
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:48,686
She says, "I'm sorry,
you have to put on long sleeves."

1023
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:49,937
And she goes,

1024
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,180
"But that's Mister Cartoon, right?
He did the artwork."

1025
00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:54,334
I'm like, "Dude, how did you know
that's Mister Cartoon

1026
00:44:54,358 --> 00:44:55,794
but you know, I can't...?" You know.

1027
00:44:55,818 --> 00:44:58,028
But she knew that was
Mister Cartoon's artwork.

1028
00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:01,573
This is a young woman in Beijing.
It's so far removed from LA.

1029
00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:02,866
That's big.

1030
00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:05,244
Waiting on Paul Rosenberg...

1031
00:45:06,578 --> 00:45:07,830
manager of the stars,

1032
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:09,581
Eminem.

1033
00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:10,665
[clicks tongue]

1034
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,876
Paul, being the person he is,

1035
00:45:13,043 --> 00:45:15,713
recognized Estevan
and his photography skills,

1036
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:18,674
and Cartoon
with his art skills and packaging.

1037
00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:20,008
I certainly figured out

1038
00:45:20,134 --> 00:45:22,720
ways to maximize having access to them.

1039
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:25,264
You know, everything,
from working with Eminem...

1040
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,807
You see Big Lepke?

1041
00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:29,017
...and designing the Shady Records' logo.

1042
00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:35,774
[Cartoon] When I was doing
the portrait of Eminem's daughter,

1043
00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,026
I knew it was big,
but I didn't know how.

1044
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:39,236
You know what I'm saying?

1045
00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:42,489
You know, I wasn't looking
at the major impact

1046
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:43,907
that it would have later.

1047
00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,160
I was just doing what was
in front of me.

1048
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:50,205
<i>♪ Or even worse,
they can teach hate ♪</i>

1049
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:51,498
<i>♪ It's like these kids ♪</i>

1050
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:53,292
Eminem video shoot.

1051
00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:56,920
Waiting on doing some tattoos
on the homie.

1052
00:45:57,921 --> 00:46:01,592
[Eminem] They came to Detroit,
and he said, "We should do a mushroom."

1053
00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:04,094
He said... He was like,
"I can do a big-ass mushroom."

1054
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:05,596
[imitates tattoo machine]

1055
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,222
He did all... my whole sleeves.

1056
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,350
I don't know, I got them removed
since then. I'm kidding.

1057
00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,936
I wanna get something like this over here,

1058
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:15,039
but just... I wanna make sure
that it's the right shit

1059
00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:16,648
'cause tattoos are for life.

1060
00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:19,610
[Cartoon] You know,
We could bust something out like your...

1061
00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:21,945
Your daughter's portrait.

1062
00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:25,199
Right here, I would probably
put something around this

1063
00:46:25,282 --> 00:46:26,742
to beefen it up a little bit.

1064
00:46:26,825 --> 00:46:27,785
Right.

1065
00:46:27,786 --> 00:46:31,872
[Cartoon] And maybe put another ribbon
and kind of tie it into the other side.

1066
00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:34,291
It's so crazy.

1067
00:46:34,374 --> 00:46:37,336
[tattoo machine buzzing]

1068
00:46:37,419 --> 00:46:40,798
One of the things was Hailie.
I wanted to put her on my arm.

1069
00:46:40,881 --> 00:46:42,382
[tattoo machine buzzing]

1070
00:46:42,466 --> 00:46:44,301
[Cartoon] You should just outline...

1071
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:46,845
[Estevan] My favorite rappers
were getting tattooed.

1072
00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:48,514
Like, that shit trips you out.

1073
00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,432
Let me put some bullet holes.

1074
00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,186
[tattoo machine buzzing]

1075
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:56,730
[Estevan] I remember being in the bathroom

1076
00:46:56,814 --> 00:47:01,109
and I was tripping out
that I was the only person there

1077
00:47:01,193 --> 00:47:03,403
documenting Cartoon tattooing

1078
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:06,240
the biggest artist in the world
at that time.

1079
00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:09,535
["I'm Back" by Eminem playing]

1080
00:47:09,618 --> 00:47:10,744
[yells]

1081
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:17,000
<i>- ♪ That's why ♪
- [audience] ♪ They call me Slim Shady ♪</i>

1082
00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:19,336
[continues singing]

1083
00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:22,422
[Estevan] I remember, man,
I'm getting those shots

1084
00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:26,093
of the greatest of all times
in our lifetime,

1085
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:29,721
like the number one celebrity, artist,

1086
00:47:29,805 --> 00:47:31,348
anything in the world.

1087
00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,225
And I was there documenting it,

1088
00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:34,726
I wished, I remember, like,

1089
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:37,479
kind of like smiling in the mirror,
like I was happy.

1090
00:47:38,146 --> 00:47:40,065
I got a question I wanna ask you.

1091
00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:43,777
How many people are sick...

1092
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,157
of motherfuckers talking shit about me?

1093
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:52,953
[crowd cheering]

1094
00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:54,872
[Estevan] And it was a cool feeling,
you know?

1095
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:58,041
It made me, like, think of all the times
when there was, like,

1096
00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,752
a picture of Elvis Presley
getting his hair cut

1097
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:03,005
and it's just him and the barber.

1098
00:48:03,088 --> 00:48:06,800
Damn, that photographer
had some crazy-ass access, you know?

1099
00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:08,552
Oh, yeah, get one of those too.

1100
00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:10,195
You have to put that shit on your back.

1101
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:13,140
[tattoo machine buzzing]

1102
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:15,934
Cartoon. Big Cartoon.

1103
00:48:16,018 --> 00:48:17,311
Call him Big Cartoon now.

1104
00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:18,645
Guy's good, man.

1105
00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:19,855
He's pretty decent.

1106
00:48:21,523 --> 00:48:25,193
[Cartoon] Estevan's eye for seeing
what angle to shoot something...

1107
00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:29,364
how to bring someone's best look
out of them.

1108
00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:30,949
[camera shutter clicking]

1109
00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:33,953
[Cartoon] A lot of other photographers,
that's what they don't understand.

1110
00:48:34,828 --> 00:48:36,705
They don't know
how to make someone look good.

1111
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:40,918
[presenter] George Lopez!

1112
00:48:41,001 --> 00:48:43,170
[people cheering]

1113
00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:45,815
[George] When I got my star
in the Walk of Fame, Estevan came over

1114
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,591
and took
this fucking amazing picture of me

1115
00:48:47,674 --> 00:48:49,009
surrounded by the fans,

1116
00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:51,303
and thousands of people,
maybe a couple thousand people.

1117
00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,388
And to get that,

1118
00:48:53,472 --> 00:48:55,766
of me and my suit, of me with the flag,

1119
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:57,768
of me surrounded by, you know,

1120
00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:01,355
other Latinos right there
on Hollywood Boulevard was... It was great.

1121
00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:02,940
[soft music playing]

1122
00:49:06,568 --> 00:49:09,168
[Cartoon] Same thing, that's why
he gets a lot of jobs in hip-hop.

1123
00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:12,240
'Cause he knows hip-hop.

1124
00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:15,327
Grew up in that shit.

1125
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,789
So it's better for someone from the inside

1126
00:49:19,331 --> 00:49:21,500
to shoot the outside, you know?

1127
00:49:24,670 --> 00:49:28,298
On my <i>Ego Trippin'</i> cover, me and Estevan,

1128
00:49:28,382 --> 00:49:30,884
we went back to my old high school,
Poly High School,

1129
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:34,346
got an old B210
like I used to have in high school,

1130
00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,889
had on my Letterman jacket,

1131
00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:37,891
and it just felt like
I was in high school.

1132
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:38,976
That shit was hard.

1133
00:49:39,518 --> 00:49:42,104
But only he could capture what I wanted.

1134
00:49:42,187 --> 00:49:44,982
This is an era
when Dogg didn't have money.

1135
00:49:45,524 --> 00:49:46,566
He understood that.

1136
00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:50,237
Shoot Snoop Doggy Dogg.
Snoop Doggy fizzle fizzle.

1137
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,947
[upbeat music playing]

1138
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:56,660
[camera shutter clicks]

1139
00:49:56,743 --> 00:50:00,789
If Estevan did your album cover,
Cartoon was doing the artwork.

1140
00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:04,042
[Cartoon] Some people try to do
everything by themselves.

1141
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:06,837
We just did different ends of the table.

1142
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,548
He covered photography

1143
00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,592
while I would do the logo,
I would draw the concept.

1144
00:50:12,676 --> 00:50:14,469
[upbeat music playing]

1145
00:50:28,191 --> 00:50:32,237
I've seen this, when they're snapping
400 pictures to get some shit,

1146
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,031
and I've seen this guy walk out...

1147
00:50:35,824 --> 00:50:36,742
Bam.

1148
00:50:36,743 --> 00:50:38,201
Stand against that wall. Click.

1149
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:40,162
And then you see it,
it could be an album cover

1150
00:50:40,245 --> 00:50:41,955
or, like, the cover of a magazine.

1151
00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:45,751
[upbeat music playing]

1152
00:50:50,338 --> 00:50:53,418
You feel like you're being directed,
like you're in the hands of the director.

1153
00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:55,927
I love it when a director
knows exactly what he wants

1154
00:50:56,011 --> 00:50:58,096
and he says, "Look, this is what I want."

1155
00:50:58,180 --> 00:51:02,267
Okay, cool. You got hired to direct me,
I got hired to act.

1156
00:51:04,102 --> 00:51:07,981
I was around lowriders and gangsters,
and I was around hip-hop.

1157
00:51:08,065 --> 00:51:09,900
With both of those comes girls.

1158
00:51:09,983 --> 00:51:10,983
[girls screaming]

1159
00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:12,235
[Estevan] LA culture.

1160
00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:15,405
Like, I get Estevan's book. Wow.

1161
00:51:15,489 --> 00:51:16,615
[camera shutter clicks]

1162
00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:20,285
[sexy music playing]

1163
00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:26,249
I always thought my dad's work
was very inspiring.

1164
00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:31,004
For girls, like, he just captures beauty,
like, so perfectly.

1165
00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:33,590
[sexy music playing]

1166
00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:37,135
[Cartoon] A lot of the art too
comes from jail,

1167
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:39,387
where guys are sitting in a cell

1168
00:51:39,471 --> 00:51:41,681
and fantasizing about their girl.

1169
00:51:42,224 --> 00:51:43,517
I always looked at it

1170
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,436
as really uplifting women.

1171
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,189
They may not have any clothes on,
or they'd be topless.

1172
00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:52,776
I think as an artist,
I always looked at the beauty of it,

1173
00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:55,237
but knowing who to shoot,

1174
00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:58,281
where to shoot, when to shoot,

1175
00:51:58,365 --> 00:52:00,659
you look at that, you're like,
"That shit's real."

1176
00:52:01,368 --> 00:52:03,054
[over phone]
<i>If I wasn't shooting LA culture,</i>

1177
00:52:03,078 --> 00:52:05,831
<i>I was going on tour
with bands like Blink-182,</i>

1178
00:52:05,914 --> 00:52:07,874
<i>only I wasn't a road manager anymore.</i>

1179
00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:12,170
[Travis] Right about the time we went
on that tour to Iraq and Europe,

1180
00:52:12,254 --> 00:52:14,506
touring was, like, more fun
when you brought friends.

1181
00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:17,467
Having Estevan out there was so fun.

1182
00:52:17,551 --> 00:52:20,178
It is freezing like a motherfucker
in Paris.

1183
00:52:20,262 --> 00:52:23,348
[Mark] The tour
that Estevan came with us in Europe

1184
00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:26,393
was a very difficult time

1185
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:27,811
in Blink's history.

1186
00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:29,271
We were arguing...

1187
00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:31,565
the entire tour.

1188
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,859
Leave me fucking be! I'm fucking tired!

1189
00:52:33,942 --> 00:52:36,695
[rock music playing]

1190
00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:41,074
[crowd cheering]

1191
00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:43,136
- [Travis] How was that?
- [Estevan] It was the shit.

1192
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,960
- That was fun, right?
- [Estevan] Hell, yeah.

1193
00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:46,204
[laughter]

1194
00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:50,375
[Mark] The last show that we played
before the band broke up the first time,

1195
00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:52,709
we finished the last note,
and I thought to myself,

1196
00:52:52,752 --> 00:52:56,006
"This is probably gonna be the last show.
This feels like the end of something."

1197
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,175
And Estevan came on stage and said,

1198
00:52:58,258 --> 00:53:00,194
"Hey, I wanna get
a shot of the three of you guys."

1199
00:53:00,218 --> 00:53:01,970
And it's actually
on our <i>Greatest Hits</i> album

1200
00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:03,221
that came out after that.

1201
00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:07,517
It goes back to Estevan's ethos

1202
00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,644
of putting himself in these situations

1203
00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:13,356
where he is able to document things
that are happening with other people.

1204
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,275
[helicopters whirring]

1205
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:17,359
[shouting]

1206
00:53:25,035 --> 00:53:28,496
The United States and our allies
have prevailed.

1207
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,207
[cheering]

1208
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:32,876
[Mark] Estevan came with us
when we went overseas

1209
00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:35,629
to the Middle East
to meet and perform for the troops.

1210
00:53:36,296 --> 00:53:40,133
[Travis] When we got to Iraq, everyone
was kind of shook about going there

1211
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:41,509
'cause the war had just started.

1212
00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,386
I don't have any idea what to expect.

1213
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,110
I'm just going in,
having this adventure.

1214
00:53:45,138 --> 00:53:46,348
It's really cool.

1215
00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:47,974
It was scary,

1216
00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:49,976
it was hot, it was dusty.

1217
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:52,395
It was like five or six days

1218
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,731
of being transported
to an entirely different world.

1219
00:53:55,148 --> 00:53:56,066
It's like a movie.

1220
00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:57,817
[Mark] We were on a nuclear submarine

1221
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,238
literally crawling in the torpedo tubes.

1222
00:54:02,864 --> 00:54:06,534
[Travis] So that whole trip was fireworks.
It was scary as fuck.

1223
00:54:06,618 --> 00:54:08,411
It was definitely
an eye-opening experience.

1224
00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:09,788
Travis, what's your job, Travis?

1225
00:54:09,871 --> 00:54:11,974
- I play the drums.
- Drummer, all right. How are you?

1226
00:54:11,998 --> 00:54:13,667
Don't hit the torpedo buttons.

1227
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:15,851
[Mark] You fire torpedoes? You shot one?

1228
00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:17,337
- I shot one.
- [Mark] Cool.

1229
00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:21,508
We were in a marine forward base
on the border of Iraq.

1230
00:54:21,591 --> 00:54:24,094
[man] We got Blink-182 in the house!

1231
00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:26,596
[applause]

1232
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,532
- [man] Don't turn the key on.
- [Travis] I won't.

1233
00:54:28,556 --> 00:54:30,225
I guess things were getting heated,

1234
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,269
so we took a COD plane

1235
00:54:32,352 --> 00:54:33,728
that boomeranged us

1236
00:54:33,812 --> 00:54:35,981
off of the aircraft carrier.

1237
00:54:36,064 --> 00:54:38,464
[Mark] But it was insane.
I was really glad that he was there

1238
00:54:38,566 --> 00:54:39,734
to get those photos.

1239
00:54:39,818 --> 00:54:43,280
[upbeat music playing]

1240
00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:50,662
As a lot of photographers
were breaking into digital photography,

1241
00:54:50,745 --> 00:54:53,206
Estevan stuck to film

1242
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:55,292
and the development process.

1243
00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:57,502
Because it's grainy
and it looks like film,

1244
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,963
it's a document of one specific moment.

1245
00:55:00,046 --> 00:55:02,716
Before you know it, you know,
Estevan was doing more directing.

1246
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:04,926
Started to do mad videos for everybody.

1247
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,387
<i>♪ Hold you down ♪</i>

1248
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,097
[white noise]

1249
00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:12,058
[Eminem] Estevan did
the first D12 video we ever shot.

1250
00:55:12,142 --> 00:55:15,645
It was supposed to be
a gritty, grimy-looking video,

1251
00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:18,231
and Estevan captured that perfectly.

1252
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,358
["Shit On You" by D12 playing]

1253
00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:22,944
I know we shot the outside of the house,
the Dresden house,

1254
00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:25,989
but I'm pretty sure we shot
the inside of it too.

1255
00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:27,592
I'm like, "Yeah, that's the bathroom."

1256
00:55:30,493 --> 00:55:33,747
It wasn't really a lot of fun
dressing up...

1257
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,082
like Richard Simmons.

1258
00:55:36,666 --> 00:55:38,585
But, hey, man, at that point in time,

1259
00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:40,462
I was doing whatever it took.

1260
00:55:40,545 --> 00:55:42,630
He directed a couple of Cypress videos.

1261
00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:44,716
<i>♪ Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb ♪</i>

1262
00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:47,052
<i>♪ Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb ♪</i>

1263
00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:48,295
<i>♪ I'd like to tell you... ♪</i>

1264
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,598
[Sen] You know, we had the same ideas,
we grew up in the same part of the planet,

1265
00:55:51,681 --> 00:55:54,059
so it wasn't hard for him to know
what we were gonna like

1266
00:55:54,142 --> 00:55:55,703
and what we wanted to see in our videos.

1267
00:55:55,727 --> 00:55:58,063
<i>♪ Hello, my name is Dr. Greenthumb ♪</i>

1268
00:55:58,146 --> 00:56:00,774
And then, when we went down
to Mexico City, in DF,

1269
00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:03,818
we had thousands and thousands
of kids following us

1270
00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:04,944
on the street that day,

1271
00:56:05,028 --> 00:56:06,154
and in the midst of it all,

1272
00:56:06,237 --> 00:56:08,740
Estevan was on point
the whole time with the camera, you know.

1273
00:56:08,823 --> 00:56:11,117
[in Spanish] <i>♪ Here is something
you can't understand ♪</i>

1274
00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:13,161
[Roger] He understood
what made a good story

1275
00:56:13,244 --> 00:56:15,455
and he understood what was authentic.

1276
00:56:19,584 --> 00:56:20,584
I like that.

1277
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:22,670
I'll tell you when,
just keep the light on him

1278
00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,214
so when I sweep back around...

1279
00:56:24,422 --> 00:56:26,132
[Mark] <i>With this video, it was an idea</i>

1280
00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:29,135
<i>that was thought out by the director,
Estevan Oriol.</i>

1281
00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:31,888
He directed this video
that really shook everything up.

1282
00:56:31,971 --> 00:56:33,932
It was really like, "What in the world?"

1283
00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:35,683
Like it's the real deal.

1284
00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:39,229
[Mark] Having him come in
and direct a video for us

1285
00:56:39,312 --> 00:56:41,689
just, I don't know,
brought a really element of cool

1286
00:56:41,773 --> 00:56:43,453
that I think was really ahead of its time.

1287
00:56:43,525 --> 00:56:47,612
That shit was, like, really amazing.
Just the way he... His style.

1288
00:56:48,363 --> 00:56:51,991
[Travis] The "Down" video was fun.
It was the first time I ever met Trigz.

1289
00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:56,287
It was I think the first time
we ever brought Mark and Tom to the hood.

1290
00:56:56,371 --> 00:56:58,411
[chuckling]
I think they were tripping a little bit.

1291
00:56:58,915 --> 00:57:02,001
[Terry] He put me in the Blink-182 video.

1292
00:57:02,085 --> 00:57:03,043
As a cop.

1293
00:57:03,044 --> 00:57:04,922
What I loved was the authenticity.

1294
00:57:05,004 --> 00:57:07,924
Here was an example of the culture

1295
00:57:08,007 --> 00:57:09,801
needing another voice.

1296
00:57:09,884 --> 00:57:11,636
Here I was this cop after this guy,

1297
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,596
he's on the run,
and there was a helicopter.

1298
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640
You know, shot in the LA Basin and...

1299
00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:17,517
There were people in the video

1300
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,561
that looked like for real LA.

1301
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:24,065
[Travis] But that was fun, man,
that video came out so cool and it had...

1302
00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:27,026
just a different energy
than anything we ever did and...

1303
00:57:27,527 --> 00:57:29,863
Estevan just really killed the visual.

1304
00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:34,742
[helicopter whirring]

1305
00:57:44,419 --> 00:57:46,337
[Estevan] You ready?
Let's set up the shot.

1306
00:57:46,421 --> 00:57:48,101
[producer] Are you gonna sit on the chair?

1307
00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,859
- [Estevan] Can I direct?
- [producer] Yes, sir.

1308
00:57:49,883 --> 00:57:51,569
Don't follow me.
You're gonna be on the shot.

1309
00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:54,321
- [producer] Tell me what you're gonna do.
- I'm gonna make a documentary

1310
00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:55,865
and talk about the Sixth Street Bridge.

1311
00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:57,348
- Ready?
- [producer] Yes.

1312
00:57:57,432 --> 00:57:59,476
Okay, so, we're sitting right here

1313
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,729
at what was formerly known
as the Sixth Street Bridge.

1314
00:58:02,937 --> 00:58:04,981
So you see these pieces right here?

1315
00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:08,860
There was two arches.
They were part of the bridge.

1316
00:58:08,943 --> 00:58:10,028
That's them now.

1317
00:58:10,987 --> 00:58:13,364
I have 20 years of photos

1318
00:58:13,573 --> 00:58:15,158
of this street

1319
00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:17,660
and where this bridge was,
and that bridge.

1320
00:58:17,744 --> 00:58:19,037
And they're gonna redo it.

1321
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,247
They're gonna have a poodle park here,

1322
00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:23,541
a cappuccino bar, a juice bar.

1323
00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:25,376
This whole area is changing.

1324
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,545
[clicking]

1325
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:32,842
[Estevan] This was the access way
to the LA River.

1326
00:58:33,176 --> 00:58:35,512
And this was like our playground,
our stomping ground.

1327
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,015
I had a lot of good photo shoots here,
a lot of good times.

1328
00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:40,225
Get it out of the street.

1329
00:58:40,308 --> 00:58:44,020
[Estevan] I was shooting a lot of women,
gangsters, and lowriders,

1330
00:58:44,103 --> 00:58:46,064
'cause, you know,
that's what I was around.

1331
00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,525
["Gin And Juice" by Snoop Dogg playing]

1332
00:58:49,108 --> 00:58:50,902
<i>♪ Aye, baby, aye, baby ♪</i>

1333
00:58:50,985 --> 00:58:54,197
<i>♪ Aye, baby, get some bubblegum
In this motherfucker or somethin'... ♪</i>

1334
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,783
[Estevan] I don't know what it is
about California, man.

1335
00:58:57,325 --> 00:59:01,412
Don't let the palm trees
and the white picket fences fool you.

1336
00:59:01,496 --> 00:59:03,498
There's wrought iron on the windows

1337
00:59:03,581 --> 00:59:06,042
and the murder rate
is through the roof, you know.

1338
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:09,480
[man] <i>Perrito,</i>
don't worry about nothing. I got this.

1339
00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:10,648
[man 2] Are we keeping score?

1340
00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:13,341
[indistinct chatter]

1341
00:59:13,424 --> 00:59:14,424
Hey, man.

1342
00:59:16,052 --> 00:59:17,929
Pass already, dog. [chuckles]

1343
00:59:18,846 --> 00:59:21,891
[Estevan] I was shooting this girl
that was a gang member.

1344
00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:23,268
She just threw up LA.

1345
00:59:23,351 --> 00:59:24,351
[Baldacci] LA, baby.

1346
00:59:24,394 --> 00:59:27,480
And I went in and just took
two frames of the LA.

1347
00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:29,941
<i>♪ I got bitches in the living room
Gettin' it on... ♪</i>

1348
00:59:30,024 --> 00:59:32,110
He caught it first.
A lot of the photographers

1349
00:59:32,193 --> 00:59:36,573
didn't know some of that type
of finger lingo, if you will, you know,

1350
00:59:36,656 --> 00:59:38,408
when you throw up the West Coast

1351
00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,910
or you throw up LA,
whatever clique you're from.

1352
00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:43,204
A lot of people
didn't wanna use that photo.

1353
00:59:43,288 --> 00:59:45,039
They said it was too gang-related.

1354
00:59:45,123 --> 00:59:46,541
[Estevan] At that time,

1355
00:59:46,624 --> 00:59:49,210
if the wrong person saw you doing that,

1356
00:59:49,294 --> 00:59:52,088
you'd get beat up,
or shot at or fucking stabbed.

1357
00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:53,649
Throwing up the L and the A like that,

1358
00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:55,513
that was something that we did
back in the day.

1359
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,428
[B-Real] And that was
the first representation of it.

1360
00:59:58,511 --> 01:00:01,014
[Sen] Now it's a global thing
where kids in other countries

1361
01:00:01,097 --> 01:00:03,391
send me pictures of them
throwing up that sign.

1362
01:00:03,474 --> 01:00:05,202
That's pretty cool, man.
You know what I mean?

1363
01:00:05,226 --> 01:00:06,644
His LA hands photo?

1364
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:07,728
That's Estevan.

1365
01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:10,273
That shit's been copied so much.

1366
01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:12,650
So many times. Ripped off.

1367
01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:14,277
Many have tried to bite it.

1368
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,863
[Pat] I see the LA hands,
and I know it's a bootleg.

1369
01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:18,948
Starbucks is ripping him off. Gosh!

1370
01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:20,199
The H&M thing?

1371
01:00:20,283 --> 01:00:22,785
To steal from artists like that,
their images.

1372
01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:24,037
They have it on T-shirts.

1373
01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:26,914
[chuckling] The LA symbol's notorious.

1374
01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:29,667
[Estevan] Everybody, you know,
and their mom, was doing it.

1375
01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:31,919
- [Angel Baby] The Mayor's throwing it up.
- Boom!

1376
01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,590
People gonna copy it, people gonna try it,
but we all know where it came from.

1377
01:00:35,673 --> 01:00:39,469
I advise everybody to dig into the roots
of anything they do

1378
01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:42,930
and see where it came from
and pay homage to the person before them.

1379
01:00:43,014 --> 01:00:45,767
[B-Real] It was iconic.
It's an iconic picture.

1380
01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:49,020
[sad music playing]

1381
01:00:49,103 --> 01:00:52,899
[Cartoon] One of the things
that is there with Chicano art

1382
01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:54,192
is violence,

1383
01:00:54,692 --> 01:00:55,985
is poverty,

1384
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:57,820
is addiction,

1385
01:00:58,404 --> 01:00:59,822
alcoholism.

1386
01:01:01,074 --> 01:01:04,327
[slow music playing]

1387
01:01:05,411 --> 01:01:08,247
[Lepke] When I met Estevan, I was
struggling through a lot of relapses.

1388
01:01:08,331 --> 01:01:12,168
We were in a motel, and I called Estevan.
I go, "Hey, I'm on a good one, man.

1389
01:01:12,251 --> 01:01:14,563
You wanna film some footage?
So why don't you come on through,

1390
01:01:14,587 --> 01:01:16,839
because we got it going on
real good right here."

1391
01:01:16,923 --> 01:01:19,676
I had every drug in my system,
'cause I don't discriminate.

1392
01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:21,469
I just went on a binge.

1393
01:01:21,552 --> 01:01:23,971
A simple binge.
Everybody does it once in a while.

1394
01:01:24,055 --> 01:01:27,225
You know, some people binge on donuts.
Some people binge on heroin.

1395
01:01:28,518 --> 01:01:30,478
This is some new shit I came across.

1396
01:01:31,604 --> 01:01:33,481
These are five-dollar <i>bolsas.</i>

1397
01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:35,149
I love it. There's no excuse.

1398
01:01:35,233 --> 01:01:37,860
I love to get high on this.
I love the feeling I get from it.

1399
01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:42,615
If you don't cook it right,
it fucks your stomach good.

1400
01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:45,702
[hip-hop music playing]

1401
01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:50,498
This is the picture they took
of the heroin

1402
01:01:50,581 --> 01:01:53,626
that wasn't getting me high no more
with the syringe, the crack pipe,

1403
01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:55,962
and I don't know
why I had the nail clipper there.

1404
01:01:56,045 --> 01:01:57,255
God only knows, right?

1405
01:01:57,588 --> 01:01:59,215
[hip-hop music playing]

1406
01:02:01,217 --> 01:02:03,302
Estevan could take me into the lab

1407
01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:05,513
and pull out all these pictures
and I'll go,

1408
01:02:05,596 --> 01:02:08,474
"What the fuck? Are you serious, bro?"

1409
01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:15,022
I looked like
an Ethiopian research monkey.

1410
01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:19,485
I don't even know why I'm alive today.

1411
01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:22,029
For some good reason,
the good Lord didn't drop me

1412
01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:23,406
and put me on my back.

1413
01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:25,700
Sometimes, I sell real shit. Sometimes...

1414
01:02:26,492 --> 01:02:29,036
And I was in a bad stage right here.

1415
01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:31,497
And those are balloons of heroin
in my mouth.

1416
01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:33,666
I sell fake shit. All this is fake.

1417
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,708
This is all fake.

1418
01:02:34,709 --> 01:02:36,753
Either way, this is getting sold,
all right?

1419
01:02:36,836 --> 01:02:39,088
Because, see,
you can't buy drugs on the street.

1420
01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:41,340
That's illegal.
You can't sell them. It's illegal.

1421
01:02:41,424 --> 01:02:43,634
There's no drugs in here.
So it's a bungle case.

1422
01:02:43,718 --> 01:02:46,095
So the proof is in the pudding,
ladies and gentlemen.

1423
01:02:46,554 --> 01:02:48,449
[Scott] If you wanna know
the real street culture

1424
01:02:48,473 --> 01:02:51,058
and that street life,
open one of Estevan's books.

1425
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:54,270
And this is where it leads to.
Everything leads to this picture.

1426
01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:56,647
This is 2003,

1427
01:02:56,731 --> 01:02:58,983
July 9th or 8th, I believe.

1428
01:02:59,066 --> 01:03:02,403
I got shot
in front of the Econo Lodge hotel.

1429
01:03:02,487 --> 01:03:05,490
From where you're at, from where
the camera's at, they shot me six times.

1430
01:03:05,573 --> 01:03:06,925
[Lepke] I took five bullets there.

1431
01:03:06,949 --> 01:03:08,910
And they came and told me
I didn't have insurance,

1432
01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:12,079
so five days after that, I walked out,
caught walking pneumonia, almost died,

1433
01:03:12,163 --> 01:03:15,124
and then went back and had to stay
another additional 30 days.

1434
01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:18,294
See? Karma hits, 'cause I was supposed
to be doing Estevan a favor

1435
01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:19,377
and moving somebody.

1436
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:20,671
See how that works?

1437
01:03:20,963 --> 01:03:23,549
[Cartoon]
The '90s were very, very violent.

1438
01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:26,135
You saw the peak of gang violence.

1439
01:03:26,385 --> 01:03:30,097
You saw people that were there
that seen enemies they didn't like,

1440
01:03:30,181 --> 01:03:31,974
they just took off on them right there.

1441
01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:34,560
You could hear the bullets going by.
[imitates bullets]

1442
01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:38,540
They were trying to stop here, homie.
They were coming too fast.

1443
01:03:38,564 --> 01:03:41,901
So they stopped right here.
And they went just like, "Hey, homie."

1444
01:03:41,984 --> 01:03:42,942
[imitates gunshot]

1445
01:03:42,944 --> 01:03:44,070
Man! [imitates gunshot]

1446
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:45,530
I hit the floor quick, eh.

1447
01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:47,174
[Estevan] Why were they shooting at you?

1448
01:03:47,198 --> 01:03:48,967
[man]
See, this is a black neighborhood, right?

1449
01:03:48,991 --> 01:03:51,702
I guess they're going at it
with a Hispanic gang over there.

1450
01:03:52,245 --> 01:03:53,765
You know what I mean? Look at me, dog.

1451
01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,291
- [man] Look right here, homie.
- [man 2] Yeah.

1452
01:03:58,459 --> 01:03:59,710
<i>♪ Word up, son, word ♪</i>

1453
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,840
<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

1454
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,301
<i>♪ To all the killers
And the hundred-dollar billers ♪</i>

1455
01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:09,554
<i>♪ Yo, I got the phone thing
Know I'm sayin' ♪</i>

1456
01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:12,849
<i>♪ For real niggas
Who ain't got no feelings, feelings... ♪</i>

1457
01:04:13,099 --> 01:04:14,225
You like that.

1458
01:04:14,767 --> 01:04:17,019
<i>♪ Just watch my back
I got the front, yo ♪</i>

1459
01:04:17,103 --> 01:04:18,437
<i>♪ Check it out now ♪</i>

1460
01:04:18,521 --> 01:04:19,689
Right there, West Los.

1461
01:04:19,772 --> 01:04:20,940
School of hard knocks.

1462
01:04:21,023 --> 01:04:22,233
Sometimes hard rocks.

1463
01:04:22,316 --> 01:04:24,110
Hard knocks and cooked rocks.

1464
01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:26,153
From stealin' and dealin'
to rollin' and chillin'.

1465
01:04:26,237 --> 01:04:28,322
Smack. Oh, ready.

1466
01:04:28,948 --> 01:04:30,408
<i>♪ Queensbridge murderers ♪</i>

1467
01:04:30,491 --> 01:04:32,785
<i>♪ The Mobb comes equipped for warfare
Beware ♪</i>

1468
01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:34,328
<i>♪ Of my crime family who got... ♪</i>

1469
01:04:34,412 --> 01:04:36,831
[man] My eagle right here,
'cause I'm Mexican-American.

1470
01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:39,250
I'm American-made, Mexican descent.

1471
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:40,918
<i>♪ Your brain with your nose bone ♪</i>

1472
01:04:41,002 --> 01:04:43,546
<i>♪ You all alone in these streets, cousin
Every man... ♪</i>

1473
01:04:43,629 --> 01:04:46,507
[Speedy] They call me Speedy,
one of my fans gave me the name.

1474
01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:48,777
[Baldacci] In there,
the tattoo shop is your cell.

1475
01:04:48,801 --> 01:04:51,470
Just a couple of cases of soups
and coffee, man, from prison.

1476
01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:54,432
That's what they charge you in there
to do this type of thing.

1477
01:04:54,515 --> 01:04:57,602
Nowadays I guess that's just
a way to look cool, but...

1478
01:04:57,685 --> 01:04:59,020
All these tattoos right here?

1479
01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:00,479
They were basically earned,

1480
01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:02,940
they were basically put on me
for a reason.

1481
01:05:03,441 --> 01:05:05,818
[Johnny] All my tattoos
were done in prison, single needle.

1482
01:05:06,068 --> 01:05:07,236
Never got tattooed in a shop.

1483
01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:11,198
They were kind of like the old black
and gray feel to the ink.

1484
01:05:11,282 --> 01:05:13,202
<i>♪ Don't make me
Have to call your name out... ♪</i>

1485
01:05:13,242 --> 01:05:16,078
Some tattoos that some people have,
they put them on

1486
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:19,206
because maybe they were in a lifestyle
where a life was lost.

1487
01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:21,167
Not to say that they took the life,

1488
01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:23,450
because we're not gonna say that
'cause we're on camera.

1489
01:05:24,003 --> 01:05:27,048
When I sleeve somebody,
they can't go into regular society,

1490
01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:30,259
but little by little,
those people will be business owners.

1491
01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:33,780
You know, over the next 10, 20 years,
those people that are getting sleeves

1492
01:05:33,804 --> 01:05:36,474
will be business owners
and shit will change up for them.

1493
01:05:37,224 --> 01:05:40,853
[Lepke] That's okay. It's a trend now.
We got the soccer moms putting tattoos on.

1494
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,064
They're doing shit
that we were looked down on.

1495
01:05:43,147 --> 01:05:45,691
We were putting these tattoos
'cause we were outcasts,

1496
01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:48,152
because society rejected us.

1497
01:05:48,235 --> 01:05:51,113
Now they're putting them on
because now society accepts it?

1498
01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:53,783
So now I might just start
taking them all off.

1499
01:05:56,702 --> 01:05:59,205
[Cartoon] We're interested
in the darkest shit in life.

1500
01:05:59,413 --> 01:06:01,374
Ghetto bird in the sky...

1501
01:06:02,416 --> 01:06:04,919
homeless shit and drug addicts.

1502
01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:08,631
Watching and observing those cultures,
you know what I mean?

1503
01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:11,884
What happened to your hand?
You got arthritis?

1504
01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,387
No, I... My ex-boyfriend broke it.

1505
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:15,471
[Estevan] Oh, okay.

1506
01:06:15,554 --> 01:06:18,391
Okay, look, if you go out this way,
and go on the side,

1507
01:06:18,474 --> 01:06:21,435
go straight all the way down,
there's a little alley right there.

1508
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:22,895
[Estevan] I'll go check it out.

1509
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:24,740
- Take it easy.
- [producer] Bye, thank you.

1510
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:28,567
[Estevan] When you're in the streets
in LA, in the bad neighborhoods,

1511
01:06:28,651 --> 01:06:30,319
it's like your blood is flowing,

1512
01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:32,738
the adrenaline is there.

1513
01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:37,326
When you know that it's an active area
and some shit might happen,

1514
01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:40,997
it's kind of like, okay, cool, you know,
you gotta be on point, you know.

1515
01:06:41,205 --> 01:06:43,165
Open the eyes on the back of your head,

1516
01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:46,377
'cause if you're just walking around
all "ladi da, da,"

1517
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:48,380
you know, like an idiot,
you could lose that way.

1518
01:06:48,462 --> 01:06:50,798
They're just looking
for someone to fuck with, so...

1519
01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:52,550
Right here, you know what I'm saying?

1520
01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:54,468
Just gotta make sure you're strapped.

1521
01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:57,513
[Estevan]
A lot of people we've known have died.

1522
01:06:57,638 --> 01:06:58,596
[shotgun]

1523
01:06:58,597 --> 01:07:00,437
[Estevan]
Can't even think of how that would be

1524
01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:01,976
if Cartoon passed away.

1525
01:07:02,059 --> 01:07:04,562
[sad music playing]

1526
01:07:08,065 --> 01:07:10,192
We've had to make out wills before,

1527
01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:13,029
and it was, like,
the will went to, like, each other.

1528
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,281
We would look out for each other's family.

1529
01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:19,535
Let's see what we have here
in this little box.

1530
01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:23,956
This is my friend Mono. He passed away.

1531
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,210
He's the guy that introduced me
and my wife to each other.

1532
01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:29,252
[D.P.] Oh, yeah?

1533
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,255
[Estevan]
And he introduced Cartoon to his wife.

1534
01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,760
Right here, this is one
of my favorite pictures of all times.

1535
01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:37,219
His name was Chato.

1536
01:07:37,303 --> 01:07:38,929
Rest in peace. He died.

1537
01:07:39,346 --> 01:07:40,723
Trigz got shot.

1538
01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:44,643
He got murdered
'cause he got into a fight with somebody.

1539
01:07:44,727 --> 01:07:46,312
Rest in peace.

1540
01:07:46,979 --> 01:07:49,482
This was another guy that was shot.
His name was Nene.

1541
01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:53,360
I think he got shot 33 times.

1542
01:07:53,444 --> 01:07:55,738
- [D.P.] What happened to him?
- [Estevan] He died.

1543
01:07:56,989 --> 01:07:59,134
You know, I think they're living
the life they wanted to

1544
01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,452
and they died doing what they loved doing.

1545
01:08:01,535 --> 01:08:05,039
Those guys were gangsters
and they died doing some gangster shit.

1546
01:08:05,122 --> 01:08:07,750
[D.P.] So you think they kind
of dig being a gangster.

1547
01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:08,833
They'd rather do that...

1548
01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,396
Yeah, they loved it, or else
they wouldn't have been a gangster.

1549
01:08:12,671 --> 01:08:15,800
[in Spanish]
<i>♪ I spend my time in the hood ♪</i>

1550
01:08:15,883 --> 01:08:19,804
<i>♪ That old Florencia district ♪</i>

1551
01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:23,599
<i>♪ I don't play games ♪</i>

1552
01:08:23,682 --> 01:08:25,684
<i>♪ And if you ask for it ♪</i>

1553
01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:29,230
<i>♪ I carry an AK-47 ♪</i>

1554
01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,942
<i>♪ I was shot five times ♪</i>

1555
01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:36,695
<i>♪ And almost lost my life ♪</i>

1556
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:40,199
<i>♪ At the gates of hell ♪</i>

1557
01:08:40,282 --> 01:08:44,370
<i>♪ A smiling Devil awaits ♪</i>

1558
01:08:44,995 --> 01:08:48,165
<i>♪ These are facts of life ♪</i>

1559
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:53,420
<i>♪ Consequences of this life ♪</i>

1560
01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:59,593
<i>♪ Because everything
Must be paid for in this world ♪</i>

1561
01:09:00,344 --> 01:09:05,349
<i>♪ I spend my time smoking
With my homies in the hood ♪</i>

1562
01:09:05,516 --> 01:09:08,561
<i>♪ I come from that gangster clique ♪</i>

1563
01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:11,230
<i>♪ Don't you dare betray us ♪</i>

1564
01:09:11,313 --> 01:09:13,858
<i>♪ I am a man of respect ♪</i>

1565
01:09:13,941 --> 01:09:16,443
<i>♪ And my word is worth a lot ♪</i>

1566
01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:19,155
<i>♪ Around Converse and Miramonte ♪</i>

1567
01:09:19,238 --> 01:09:21,866
<i>♪ I patrol through the night ♪</i>

1568
01:09:26,662 --> 01:09:31,000
["Darling (Please Bring Your Love)"
by Phil and Harv playing]

1569
01:09:32,918 --> 01:09:36,755
<i>♪ Oh, darling ♪</i>

1570
01:09:39,216 --> 01:09:43,846
<i>♪ I'm so blue and lonely ♪</i>

1571
01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:51,353
<i>♪ Want your love here only ♪</i>

1572
01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:56,275
<i>♪ Please... ♪</i>

1573
01:09:56,358 --> 01:09:58,777
[Cartoon] That violence, that poverty,

1574
01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:00,321
that madness,

1575
01:10:00,696 --> 01:10:02,573
spawned a beautiful art form

1576
01:10:02,656 --> 01:10:04,366
of music, and tattoos,

1577
01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:06,368
and wall murals,

1578
01:10:06,452 --> 01:10:08,954
pinstripe, and gold leaf.

1579
01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:12,416
Those guys sitting in cells
that will never get out

1580
01:10:12,499 --> 01:10:15,377
helped shape an art form,

1581
01:10:15,461 --> 01:10:18,172
this rose out of a crack in the concrete.

1582
01:10:18,756 --> 01:10:21,842
Now you have a new wave of Chicano artists

1583
01:10:21,926 --> 01:10:24,261
that can focus on Chicano pride.

1584
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,806
To be Chicano
means identifying with your roots.

1585
01:10:28,015 --> 01:10:29,743
[David F., Jr] The number one thing
is family.

1586
01:10:29,767 --> 01:10:30,767
It's all about family.

1587
01:10:32,645 --> 01:10:35,397
<i>♪ I want to hold you ♪</i>

1588
01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:37,983
<i>♪ Squeeze you... ♪</i>

1589
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:40,945
[Michelle] You don't really hear
about the heart of a Chicano,

1590
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,364
but you can see it in a lowrider.

1591
01:10:43,447 --> 01:10:44,990
The way we build our cars,

1592
01:10:45,074 --> 01:10:48,118
they're old Benny's thrown away
that we pick up and we shine.

1593
01:10:48,661 --> 01:10:51,330
[Michelle] It's almost like watching
a Chicano's heart

1594
01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:53,540
being poured out onto paint

1595
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:56,877
and coating a vehicle with love, you know?

1596
01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:01,483
[Javi] Those people that threw them away
wish they had them back

1597
01:11:01,507 --> 01:11:04,426
after they see them all fixed up
and clean and shined up.

1598
01:11:04,885 --> 01:11:07,263
You don't own a lowrider.
You are a lowrider.

1599
01:11:07,388 --> 01:11:10,182
Promoting a great culture in America.

1600
01:11:10,683 --> 01:11:13,143
There are people
that are incredibly wealthy

1601
01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:16,146
that actually know the culture

1602
01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:18,691
and are admirers of the culture.

1603
01:11:18,816 --> 01:11:21,068
[Bobo] The culture grew to places

1604
01:11:21,151 --> 01:11:22,444
like Japan, Europe,

1605
01:11:22,528 --> 01:11:23,779
South America.

1606
01:11:23,862 --> 01:11:26,448
They introduced
the whole rest of the world basically

1607
01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:28,325
to the East LA esthetic.

1608
01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:31,578
["Boo Hoo Hoo" by The Sa Shays playing]

1609
01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:37,751
[Bobo] You go to Japan
and you see some of the Japanese kids

1610
01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:39,586
dressing like cholos.

1611
01:11:40,129 --> 01:11:41,171
To the T.

1612
01:11:41,255 --> 01:11:43,048
You would think, they could put on glasses

1613
01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:46,468
and have the whole thing
and they could look all "Chicanoed-out"

1614
01:11:46,552 --> 01:11:48,470
until they started to speak.

1615
01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:50,222
Sheeba city ghetto family.

1616
01:11:52,224 --> 01:11:54,476
[Wilmer] Asian culture has become obsessed

1617
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,895
with East LA and lowriding.

1618
01:11:56,979 --> 01:12:00,357
There's a big lowrider scene
that's gone around the world.

1619
01:12:00,441 --> 01:12:01,775
[people speaking Japanese]

1620
01:12:01,859 --> 01:12:06,530
[man] Because of what Cartoon
and Estevan did with Chicano culture

1621
01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:11,201
and made it so pervasive
and popular in Japanese subculture,

1622
01:12:11,285 --> 01:12:15,205
it made it even extra cool
back here in the States.

1623
01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:19,126
And I think a lot of it comes
from how pioneering these two gentlemen

1624
01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:20,669
have been to the culture.

1625
01:12:21,211 --> 01:12:26,258
[Cartoon] We listen to oldies,
we listen to Motown-style, classic soul.

1626
01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:29,970
["One Like Mine" by The Salas Bros.
playing]

1627
01:12:32,431 --> 01:12:36,352
Due to the weather on the West Coast,
we wear T-shirts all year long.

1628
01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:38,479
We invented the white tee,

1629
01:12:38,562 --> 01:12:39,897
khakis and Dickies,

1630
01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:41,106
that whole look.

1631
01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:44,360
The West Coast grew up
wearing Cortez shoes.

1632
01:12:45,069 --> 01:12:47,237
This is the staple for the West Coast.

1633
01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:49,990
In the '80s, though,
it was like a gang-banging shoe.

1634
01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:52,754
Like, you wearing that shoe,
people asked you, "Where are you from?"

1635
01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:57,581
I had meditated why it was relevant,

1636
01:12:57,664 --> 01:12:59,458
and why it had to be done.

1637
01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:01,377
My own Nike, period.

1638
01:13:01,835 --> 01:13:03,462
And once I got them in,

1639
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:04,922
it was time to drop,

1640
01:13:05,005 --> 01:13:06,256
"I have to do a Cortez,"

1641
01:13:06,382 --> 01:13:08,384
paying homage to that era,

1642
01:13:08,467 --> 01:13:10,344
to the NWA era.

1643
01:13:10,969 --> 01:13:12,262
When that happened,

1644
01:13:12,346 --> 01:13:15,224
I was like, "Man, this is fucking amazing.

1645
01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:18,560
I'm gonna design the shoe
I grew up wearing."

1646
01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:21,855
It'd be like McDonald's calling you,
and be like,

1647
01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:24,191
"You're gonna do
your own signature Big Mac.

1648
01:13:24,274 --> 01:13:25,190
Get ready."

1649
01:13:25,192 --> 01:13:27,152
Nike is doing a Mister Cartoon shoe?

1650
01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:28,654
They're giving you a shoe?

1651
01:13:28,737 --> 01:13:30,114
And letting you design it?

1652
01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:31,281
It's... It's crazy.

1653
01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:34,076
There's not a lot of artists out here
to have their own Nike shoe.

1654
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,329
[Cartoon] I walk into a business meeting
with confidence.

1655
01:13:37,413 --> 01:13:40,499
I walk in like, "I'm... The boss is here."

1656
01:13:40,999 --> 01:13:43,335
And you convince the client

1657
01:13:43,836 --> 01:13:45,170
that you know what's poppin'.

1658
01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:47,589
This is inspiring to me.

1659
01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:51,135
I can apply that same philosophy
to what I'm doing.

1660
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:52,636
My homie did it, I can do it.

1661
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:53,846
Oh, wow.

1662
01:13:53,929 --> 01:13:57,641
Whoa, Mister Cartoon is completely
crossing over to a different level,

1663
01:13:57,724 --> 01:13:58,640
you know?

1664
01:13:58,642 --> 01:14:01,520
[Cartoon] I did the LA edition,
which was putting the "LA"

1665
01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,772
and having the Nike check go through it.

1666
01:14:04,022 --> 01:14:06,608
The next one I did was the Aztec.

1667
01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:10,112
This was crazy
because here I'm doing an Aztec

1668
01:14:10,195 --> 01:14:11,238
on a Cortez.

1669
01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:16,243
So you have the Spaniards
coming to New Spain, which was Mexico,

1670
01:14:16,326 --> 01:14:17,995
to bring disease,

1671
01:14:18,078 --> 01:14:21,623
great war between the Spaniards
and the Aztecs

1672
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,585
to create Mexican people.

1673
01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:27,796
So, I had that on a shoe,
which is a little heavy,

1674
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,798
you know what I'm saying?
For a shoe design.

1675
01:14:30,174 --> 01:14:34,094
And then on the Aztec warrior,
I put a brush mustache,

1676
01:14:34,178 --> 01:14:37,181
which is representative of the homies now.

1677
01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:39,892
When it finally went through,

1678
01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:41,602
I was blown away.

1679
01:14:41,685 --> 01:14:45,397
I'm surprised every time
one of these huge deals goes through.

1680
01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:47,232
So, to balance that,

1681
01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:49,610
it was important that I did outreach.

1682
01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:53,489
Talking to youngsters, explaining to them,

1683
01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:56,033
"Look, I went to LA Unified School,

1684
01:14:56,116 --> 01:14:57,493
and I designed my own shoe.

1685
01:14:57,576 --> 01:14:59,203
What would your shoe look like?"

1686
01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:01,872
And I would ask these kids,
and they'd get all shy.

1687
01:15:01,955 --> 01:15:04,750
It's beautiful to see
that Cartoon can set an example

1688
01:15:04,833 --> 01:15:05,918
for these young kids,

1689
01:15:06,126 --> 01:15:08,212
giving kids hope in art.

1690
01:15:08,295 --> 01:15:11,632
[Cartoon] My goal was to motivate them
and get them to think,

1691
01:15:11,715 --> 01:15:15,135
"Man, if this knucklehead can do it,
man, I can design my own shoe."

1692
01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:18,096
["Poochum" by The Mixtures]

1693
01:15:20,974 --> 01:15:22,059
[chuckling] What?

1694
01:15:22,142 --> 01:15:24,561
- [Danny chuckles]
- Motherfucking premiere of Machete.

1695
01:15:24,645 --> 01:15:27,231
Yeah, that was sweet, with the lowriders.

1696
01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:30,108
[Cartoon]
Seeing these big Hollywood events.

1697
01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:32,236
In the back on my mind, I was like,

1698
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,279
"We can get a team together and do it."

1699
01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:35,363
We had the budgets.

1700
01:15:35,405 --> 01:15:37,241
And we were able to have some power

1701
01:15:37,824 --> 01:15:40,577
to do some of those events,
and it came out dope.

1702
01:15:40,661 --> 01:15:41,954
And it was beautiful, man.

1703
01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:45,123
People in the street,
happy that somebody's representing.

1704
01:15:45,207 --> 01:15:47,292
This is a historical moment right here.

1705
01:15:48,835 --> 01:15:50,546
We're taking our culture

1706
01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:51,838
and trying to lift it up.

1707
01:15:51,922 --> 01:15:55,092
[Michelle] It would be hard
to be downtown that day

1708
01:15:55,175 --> 01:15:56,593
and not feel our presence.

1709
01:15:56,677 --> 01:15:58,512
We here. [laughs]

1710
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,056
[Cartoon] Damn, man,
we're bringing Chicano art

1711
01:16:01,139 --> 01:16:03,058
into places that it's never been before.

1712
01:16:04,434 --> 01:16:07,729
Shout-out to S.A. Studios.
Grand Theft Auto, good looking.

1713
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:12,401
<i>GTA</i> is the iconic video game that ended up
becoming because of the Estev and Toon.

1714
01:16:12,484 --> 01:16:14,278
I played Cesar Vialpando.

1715
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:17,823
[Cartoon] We did
all the tattoos, graffiti,

1716
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,366
murals,

1717
01:16:19,449 --> 01:16:20,492
liquor store,

1718
01:16:20,576 --> 01:16:23,370
and the Virgen de Guadalupe
would be on the side.

1719
01:16:23,453 --> 01:16:25,122
Estevan would take them around

1720
01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:26,498
to all the sick shit

1721
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,375
and fucking recreate that.

1722
01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,336
You've been on a trajectory

1723
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:33,338
from the bottom-bottom,

1724
01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:35,215
and I guess prison, possibly.

1725
01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:38,093
You got out of that, survived that,

1726
01:16:38,176 --> 01:16:42,514
and you're on this uphill trajectory
of perfecting this art form.

1727
01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:45,851
[Cartoon] It was a great time.
Record businesses were still going.

1728
01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:47,811
And magazines were popping

1729
01:16:47,894 --> 01:16:52,649
and commercials were getting
anywhere from 100,000 into the millions.

1730
01:16:52,733 --> 01:16:54,443
Then the digital age came.

1731
01:16:54,526 --> 01:16:56,695
It's over, and the Internet has allowed

1732
01:16:56,778 --> 01:16:59,031
global communication
with a lot of people...

1733
01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:01,575
[anchor] Twenty million people
get their music this way.

1734
01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:04,161
- They worst offender is Napster.
- Metallica filed a...

1735
01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:08,123
At that point, S.A. Studios,
it was kind of like a barber shop.

1736
01:17:08,206 --> 01:17:11,043
People came by afterward and bullshitted.

1737
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:16,465
That's what S.A. Studios felt like.
A bunch of big-ass kids having fun.

1738
01:17:16,548 --> 01:17:17,758
"What's up, homie?

1739
01:17:17,841 --> 01:17:20,218
What you doing, man?
What you've been up to?"

1740
01:17:20,302 --> 01:17:22,346
It'd be like showing up
at a doctor's office.

1741
01:17:22,429 --> 01:17:23,930
You're like, "What's up, fool?

1742
01:17:24,014 --> 01:17:26,642
Yay, man. Wow, you're doing
some surgery. What's up?"

1743
01:17:26,725 --> 01:17:28,560
Working on the ice-cream truck.

1744
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,538
I'm gonna stay here
until five, six in the morning.

1745
01:17:30,562 --> 01:17:32,040
I'll probably just go crash upstairs.

1746
01:17:32,064 --> 01:17:34,358
A little bit overwhelming for me.

1747
01:17:34,441 --> 01:17:37,402
I don't need a lot of people around
to do what I do.

1748
01:17:37,861 --> 01:17:39,029
They're changing.

1749
01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:42,074
Life's about change.

1750
01:17:42,282 --> 01:17:43,283
[bell ringing]

1751
01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:44,967
[reporter] After a rare week of gains...

1752
01:17:44,993 --> 01:17:46,995
[reporter 2]
Worst one-day losses since 911.

1753
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,538
The stock market fell hard...

1754
01:17:48,622 --> 01:17:49,915
[reporter 3] 533,000...

1755
01:17:49,998 --> 01:17:51,917
[reporter 4]
Two point six million people...

1756
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,711
In 2008 there was the depression.

1757
01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:57,297
The country just fell apart.

1758
01:17:57,381 --> 01:17:59,841
[reporter 5] Spinning the economy
in a vicious cycle,

1759
01:17:59,925 --> 01:18:01,218
people losing their jobs,

1760
01:18:01,301 --> 01:18:03,637
then falling behind on their mortgages.

1761
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,556
[Estevan] Magazines shut down,
record labels shut down.

1762
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,743
[reporter 6]
President Obama facing increasing pressure

1763
01:18:08,767 --> 01:18:10,102
for a new stimulus package.

1764
01:18:10,185 --> 01:18:11,770
All the budgets went away.

1765
01:18:11,853 --> 01:18:14,231
[reporter 7]
Eleven point three trillion dollars.

1766
01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:16,149
...to stabilize the housing market,

1767
01:18:16,233 --> 01:18:18,860
and help responsible home-owners
stay in their homes.

1768
01:18:18,985 --> 01:18:23,281
That cut at least 75% of my work
that was coming in.

1769
01:18:23,865 --> 01:18:26,201
S.A. Studios was a certain time.

1770
01:18:26,284 --> 01:18:29,204
Everything evolves,
and everything is a moment in time.

1771
01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:34,251
[Cartoon] That whole place of downtown LA
got over-gentrified in my opinion.

1772
01:18:34,626 --> 01:18:36,378
It became uncool.

1773
01:18:36,461 --> 01:18:38,463
It became very corporate.

1774
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,425
[Roger] If everything always
stays the same, how special is it?

1775
01:18:41,508 --> 01:18:42,508
It's about moments.

1776
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:45,637
Five years, ten years.
However long that moment was.

1777
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:48,306
The vibe. Something happened.

1778
01:18:48,807 --> 01:18:52,436
[David] You have one guy
who's in the profession of tattoos,

1779
01:18:52,519 --> 01:18:54,771
which has gone from, like, this fringe,

1780
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:58,108
and now I don't know one fucking person
who doesn't have a tattoo.

1781
01:18:58,191 --> 01:18:59,901
And then on this side of the spectrum,

1782
01:18:59,985 --> 01:19:02,672
you have photography, which was
like this, and now it's, like, nothing.

1783
01:19:02,696 --> 01:19:04,990
Both things are symbiotic
and feeding off each other.

1784
01:19:05,073 --> 01:19:08,160
But one of those things
brings in a ton of cash,

1785
01:19:08,243 --> 01:19:10,579
and the other one,
the cash is disappearing.

1786
01:19:10,662 --> 01:19:13,165
The tension that must bring
between brothers...

1787
01:19:13,248 --> 01:19:14,248
Eventually...

1788
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:15,750
it was gone.

1789
01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:18,044
[sad music playing]

1790
01:19:20,338 --> 01:19:22,132
The last time I'll ever be here.

1791
01:19:23,008 --> 01:19:24,468
We were here for 13 years.

1792
01:19:24,551 --> 01:19:28,972
We used to call our little thing here
"Skid Row's finest"

1793
01:19:29,055 --> 01:19:32,058
because we were surrounded
by the people of Skid Row.

1794
01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:34,436
And that's it. It's a wrap.

1795
01:19:34,519 --> 01:19:35,771
S.A. Studios.

1796
01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:37,355
We're out of downtown.

1797
01:19:38,148 --> 01:19:39,148
Gone.

1798
01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:43,236
That was probably one
of the most challenging times in my life.

1799
01:19:43,862 --> 01:19:44,946
And...

1800
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:48,742
I made it, 'cause I'm a fighter.

1801
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:51,161
That was it.

1802
01:19:52,037 --> 01:19:53,037
You got it?

1803
01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,082
[Estevan exhales]

1804
01:20:01,004 --> 01:20:04,841
[police car wailing in the distance]

1805
01:20:11,389 --> 01:20:13,642
["Da Rockwilder" by Method Man and Redman
playing]

1806
01:20:35,622 --> 01:20:37,958
<i>♪ Microphone checker
Swinging sword lecture ♪</i>

1807
01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:40,210
<i>♪ Closing down the sector
Supreme neck protector ♪</i>

1808
01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:42,587
<i>♪ Better warn 'em kid
Mr. Method boiling pot ♪</i>

1809
01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:44,506
<i>♪ About to blow his lid
From the pressure ♪</i>

1810
01:20:44,589 --> 01:20:46,091
<i>♪ Too hot for TV for sheezy ♪</i>

1811
01:20:46,174 --> 01:20:47,884
<i>♪ Too many wanna be hard be easy ♪</i>

1812
01:20:47,968 --> 01:20:50,095
<i>♪ It's all in together
Going all out together ♪</i>

1813
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:51,658
<i>♪ It don't take much to please me ♪</i>

1814
01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:53,473
- Congratulations.
- Thank you.

1815
01:20:53,557 --> 01:20:56,434
<i>♪ We don't condone biting
See them selling crossbones ♪</i>

1816
01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:58,854
<i>♪ Protecting what am writing
Don't clash with the Titan ♪</i>

1817
01:20:58,937 --> 01:21:00,206
<i>♪ Who blast with a license... ♪</i>

1818
01:21:00,230 --> 01:21:03,525
[Estevan] To me,
LA's the blood pumping through my veins.

1819
01:21:03,608 --> 01:21:04,776
I love everything about it.

1820
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,027
<i>♪ Put your lights out ♪</i>

1821
01:21:06,111 --> 01:21:08,589
<i>♪ Get the shit to the cracking
Got you feelin' with your... out ♪</i>

1822
01:21:08,613 --> 01:21:11,241
[Estevan] I mean, look at it.
How fucking cool is that shit?

1823
01:21:11,324 --> 01:21:14,536
<i>♪ Where I used to battle crews
Back when Antoinette had that attitude ♪</i>

1824
01:21:14,619 --> 01:21:16,663
<i>♪ Cover me, I'm going in
Walls closing in ♪</i>

1825
01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:18,066
<i>♪ Got us busting off these... ♪</i>

1826
01:21:18,123 --> 01:21:19,749
<i>♪ My... got issues again ♪</i>

1827
01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:21,626
<i>♪ Same song, armed with the mega bomb ♪</i>

1828
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:23,437
<i>♪ Blow you out the frame
And then I'm gone ♪</i>

1829
01:21:23,461 --> 01:21:24,838
[electric buzzing]

1830
01:21:24,921 --> 01:21:27,632
<i>♪ Look up in the sky
It's a bird, it's a plane ♪</i>

1831
01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:29,968
<i>♪ It's the funk Doctor Spock
Get on a train ♪</i>

1832
01:21:30,051 --> 01:21:31,094
<i>♪ How high? ♪</i>

1833
01:21:31,177 --> 01:21:33,388
<i>♪ So high that I can kiss the sky ♪</i>

1834
01:21:33,471 --> 01:21:36,071
- [police car siren wailing]
<i>- ♪ So sick than you can suck my... ♪</i>

1835
01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:39,477
[electric buzzing]

1836
01:21:39,561 --> 01:21:40,562
[car speeding off]

1837
01:21:40,645 --> 01:21:43,315
<i>♪ I was gone too, but we roam
Cellular phones ♪</i>

1838
01:21:43,398 --> 01:21:44,858
<i>♪ Doc-Meth back in the flesh... ♪</i>

1839
01:21:45,233 --> 01:21:47,873
[Estevan] This is where I come
and get all my film done right here.

1840
01:21:48,445 --> 01:21:50,906
<i>♪ Suckers break like Turbo
and Ozone... ♪</i>

1841
01:21:50,989 --> 01:21:52,407
[Estevan] Oh, wow.

1842
01:21:52,949 --> 01:21:54,576
Wow, I got some good ones.

1843
01:21:54,659 --> 01:21:56,202
[whistles]

1844
01:21:56,286 --> 01:21:58,121
<i>♪ Three nines in the glove
with Masu... ♪</i>

1845
01:21:58,204 --> 01:21:59,915
[Estevan exhales]

1846
01:22:00,707 --> 01:22:02,250
[elevator gates closes]

1847
01:22:04,252 --> 01:22:07,756
So, after 13 years, we've now relocated,

1848
01:22:07,839 --> 01:22:10,258
and I'm gonna show you
the new S.A. Studios.

1849
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,845
Well, my part of it.
Cartoon has a different part.

1850
01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,599
So... here we are.

1851
01:22:18,975 --> 01:22:20,477
S.A. Studios.

1852
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,521
[door creaks]

1853
01:22:25,315 --> 01:22:27,067
[Estevan] You can barely fit in here.

1854
01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:29,986
These are the new S.A. Studios.

1855
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,202
These are all bills
that haven't been paid.

1856
01:22:37,702 --> 01:22:39,079
You know, just so everybody knows

1857
01:22:39,162 --> 01:22:42,374
what it's like to be
a world-famous photographer.

1858
01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:59,140
[Cartoon] Where am I today?
I'm in a good place.

1859
01:22:59,724 --> 01:23:00,892
I'm an optimist.

1860
01:23:01,142 --> 01:23:03,853
I'm always gonna look
at what's the solution,

1861
01:23:04,187 --> 01:23:06,189
what do I got to be grateful for,

1862
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,941
how can I make this pop.

1863
01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:12,779
I haven't stopped one day
since S.A. Studios.

1864
01:23:13,113 --> 01:23:15,031
I have a private studio right here.

1865
01:23:15,115 --> 01:23:17,575
I own this property. Can't kick me out.

1866
01:23:18,118 --> 01:23:19,869
And it's all dialed into my needs,

1867
01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:21,663
I airbrush the cars in here.

1868
01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:24,666
I've been here for five years now and...

1869
01:23:25,041 --> 01:23:26,041
I love it.

1870
01:23:27,794 --> 01:23:30,088
[car engine revs]

1871
01:23:31,798 --> 01:23:34,009
[Estevan, in Spanish]
Attention! Attention!

1872
01:23:35,301 --> 01:23:37,345
[in English]
There's our lovely Sixth Street Bridge.

1873
01:23:38,054 --> 01:23:39,305
[in Spanish] No more.

1874
01:23:39,597 --> 01:23:41,725
[in English]
So crazy to see all this shit.

1875
01:23:41,808 --> 01:23:44,102
Fucking changing so fast.

1876
01:23:45,437 --> 01:23:47,731
This is a mural by my friend Risky.

1877
01:23:47,814 --> 01:23:49,232
Everybody knows Risk.

1878
01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:51,776
This was a parking lot before.

1879
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:55,739
Some metal rinky-dink buildings,

1880
01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:57,115
and now it's like...

1881
01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:00,785
the biggest fucking most...

1882
01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,831
apartments, fuck it,
whatever you could get in there.

1883
01:24:05,498 --> 01:24:09,627
[Cartoon] I don't feel like a victim.
I feel like I'm on top of everything.

1884
01:24:09,711 --> 01:24:11,337
I'm on top of social media,

1885
01:24:11,421 --> 01:24:14,299
I know how to use Photoshop,
I know how to use a computer.

1886
01:24:14,382 --> 01:24:15,925
I taught myself all that.

1887
01:24:16,342 --> 01:24:19,846
The guys that didn't do that,
they probably feel overwhelmed.

1888
01:24:24,225 --> 01:24:27,228
And then I was trying to keep up
with the Joneses, and, you know,

1889
01:24:27,312 --> 01:24:28,312
trying to post...

1890
01:24:28,354 --> 01:24:29,522
I tried all that shit.

1891
01:24:29,606 --> 01:24:31,316
I tried to post hot girls,

1892
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:33,401
big celebrities, gangster stuff.

1893
01:24:33,485 --> 01:24:34,861
I tried to post everything

1894
01:24:34,944 --> 01:24:37,530
at certain times a day
on certain days and I'm like,

1895
01:24:37,614 --> 01:24:39,824
"How the fuck does this guy
have a million followers

1896
01:24:39,908 --> 01:24:43,078
and I got 115,000 or whatever?" You know?

1897
01:24:43,161 --> 01:24:46,122
Every time I'd think
I was doing some big shit, good shit,

1898
01:24:46,206 --> 01:24:48,666
and I go, "Oh,
I'm gonna show Instagram right now.

1899
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:50,001
Fuck everybody."

1900
01:24:50,376 --> 01:24:52,796
You know. "All my haters
are gonna come out on this one."

1901
01:24:52,879 --> 01:24:55,715
I would post something and it'd be like,
"wah, wah, wah."

1902
01:24:55,799 --> 01:24:56,966
And I was like, "Man."

1903
01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:59,803
I got more likes just from taking
a picture of my dog

1904
01:24:59,886 --> 01:25:01,846
with my iPhone or something, you know.

1905
01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:04,849
All the algorithms and the analytics
and all that, and I was like,

1906
01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:08,186
"Man, this shit is,
like, so time-consuming

1907
01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:09,479
and overwhelming."

1908
01:25:09,562 --> 01:25:12,273
It's tiring to try
and keep up with the Joneses, so...

1909
01:25:12,357 --> 01:25:15,485
Sometimes I just say,
"Fuck it, who am I doing all this shit...?"

1910
01:25:15,568 --> 01:25:17,779
And I go and, you know, do work

1911
01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:19,656
that I need to be doing, to...

1912
01:25:20,698 --> 01:25:22,617
To keep the... keep the...

1913
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:24,285
the checks coming in,

1914
01:25:24,369 --> 01:25:26,454
to keep up with the bills
that are coming in.

1915
01:25:26,538 --> 01:25:29,290
<i>♪ Money's growing
Like grass with the mass appeal ♪</i>

1916
01:25:29,374 --> 01:25:31,793
<i>♪ Money, money, money... ♪</i>

1917
01:25:31,876 --> 01:25:34,480
[Cartoon] People on the other side
of the world looking at our shit,

1918
01:25:34,504 --> 01:25:37,423
we don't realize a lot of times
'cause it's in front of us.

1919
01:25:37,507 --> 01:25:38,842
[Loco speaking German]

1920
01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:39,925
We're from Berlin.

1921
01:25:39,926 --> 01:25:41,553
We're driving lowriders.

1922
01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:43,805
We wear that clothing stuff and...

1923
01:25:43,888 --> 01:25:45,014
listen to the music.

1924
01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:46,098
Latino life.

1925
01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:47,267
[chuckles]

1926
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:50,937
[Cartoon] I think that this art form
embraces everybody.

1927
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:53,398
People are affected,
and we don't know about it.

1928
01:25:53,481 --> 01:25:55,692
Inside I always looked like a cholo.

1929
01:25:56,526 --> 01:26:00,113
I'm a trans man and I'm tattooed.
I love tattoos.

1930
01:26:00,196 --> 01:26:01,796
- [Loco] Yeah? Good?
- [man] <i>Danke schön.</i>

1931
01:26:01,865 --> 01:26:03,533
[Loco chuckles]

1932
01:26:03,616 --> 01:26:05,952
<i>♪ And with my unique skills, nah
You can't compare... ♪</i>

1933
01:26:06,035 --> 01:26:07,871
[passerby] All good, bro bro!

1934
01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:11,040
[Chris] Oh, I've been arrested
over 20 times for graffiti.

1935
01:26:11,124 --> 01:26:13,793
And I've been chased with things
and attacked by dogs

1936
01:26:13,877 --> 01:26:14,919
and my leg...

1937
01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:17,005
ripped my leg open over jumping fences.

1938
01:26:17,088 --> 01:26:18,298
But I love it.

1939
01:26:18,381 --> 01:26:20,216
Watching Estevan's photos

1940
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,634
and Cartoon's tattoos

1941
01:26:21,718 --> 01:26:24,721
put me into an understanding
about a lot of things out here.

1942
01:26:24,804 --> 01:26:26,848
- [man] Oh!
- That was perfect timing.

1943
01:26:26,931 --> 01:26:30,143
[Mark] Between Estevan and Cartoon,
they have really brought

1944
01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:32,812
the culture of downtown Los Angeles

1945
01:26:32,896 --> 01:26:36,608
to a place of respect and high art.

1946
01:26:36,691 --> 01:26:39,652
[hip-hop music playing]

1947
01:26:41,446 --> 01:26:44,699
[Roger] For this show, we wanted
to be true to the spirit of the artform.

1948
01:26:44,782 --> 01:26:46,534
Vandalism, ambition,

1949
01:26:46,784 --> 01:26:49,412
rebellion, being out in the streets.

1950
01:26:50,038 --> 01:26:51,765
[Mark] <i>Beyond The Streets</i> show
that's out now,

1951
01:26:51,789 --> 01:26:54,042
you have Banksy, Basquiat,

1952
01:26:54,125 --> 01:26:56,085
Murakami, Shepard Fairey.

1953
01:26:56,169 --> 01:26:58,713
And then you also have Cartoon's church,

1954
01:26:58,796 --> 01:27:02,425
and you have
the iconic Estevan LA hand sign.

1955
01:27:03,259 --> 01:27:08,014
[Martha] People might dismiss graffiti
as only being vandalism.

1956
01:27:08,097 --> 01:27:10,266
And I'm not saying
that it isn't vandalism.

1957
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:11,517
It is vandalism.

1958
01:27:11,809 --> 01:27:13,519
[Cartoon] This is vandal art.

1959
01:27:13,603 --> 01:27:15,396
Carving your name in a toilet

1960
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,482
and shit. That's how people look at it.

1961
01:27:17,565 --> 01:27:19,901
We're not even supposed
to be there in the first place

1962
01:27:19,984 --> 01:27:21,653
or have our cars in there,

1963
01:27:21,736 --> 01:27:22,779
photography.

1964
01:27:22,862 --> 01:27:25,156
<i>♪ The building, Trinity Ave
Ten years... ♪</i>

1965
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,574
[Snoop] To come from nothing...

1966
01:27:26,658 --> 01:27:29,053
They ain't got no degrees.
They learned this from the streets.

1967
01:27:29,077 --> 01:27:30,328
<i>♪ Why you think... ♪</i>

1968
01:27:30,411 --> 01:27:32,956
[Haze] Are they responsible
for bringing that style

1969
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:36,376
and that culture to the forefront
of the movement? Definitely.

1970
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,878
<i>♪ I did it all,
I put the pieces... ♪</i>

1971
01:27:38,962 --> 01:27:42,298
Hip-hop culture owes so much
to Toons and Estevan.

1972
01:27:42,382 --> 01:27:44,717
[Eminem]
Them being so prominent in the culture

1973
01:27:44,801 --> 01:27:46,970
helped shape that wave

1974
01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:51,432
that even the generation after us,
coming up...

1975
01:27:51,975 --> 01:27:54,394
[Brian] Where do Cartoon and Estevan lie

1976
01:27:54,477 --> 01:27:56,771
in the greater scheme of art itself?

1977
01:27:56,854 --> 01:27:57,855
I think pretty high.

1978
01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,109
[Roger] They're out there.
They're approachable.

1979
01:28:01,192 --> 01:28:04,032
They're shooting for magazines.
They're friends with people on Skid Row.

1980
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:05,697
You've done a lot for me, brother.

1981
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,490
They're friends with graffiti writers.

1982
01:28:07,573 --> 01:28:09,854
[OG Slick] I'll show you what I think
about H&M, you know?

1983
01:28:09,909 --> 01:28:11,887
[Roger] They're friends with musicians,
celebrities.

1984
01:28:11,911 --> 01:28:15,373
<i>♪ In the gutter one, ghetto running 'em
Troublesome, extra double dumb... ♪</i>

1985
01:28:16,082 --> 01:28:17,351
[George] They're still doing it.

1986
01:28:17,375 --> 01:28:20,211
They're doing it better
than they ever have, and that's pride.

1987
01:28:20,295 --> 01:28:22,422
That's heart. That's Chicano.

1988
01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:25,425
[man] With all the racism, xenophobia

1989
01:28:25,508 --> 01:28:27,593
that's going on right now in the US,

1990
01:28:27,677 --> 01:28:30,722
for Chicano art to just be pushed
as hard as possible,

1991
01:28:30,805 --> 01:28:35,184
whether it's a direct a political message
or just as a style, is a great thing.

1992
01:28:35,268 --> 01:28:37,061
These ICE agents and these raids

1993
01:28:37,145 --> 01:28:38,271
and the racism,

1994
01:28:38,354 --> 01:28:40,732
it's only gonna speak to our cultures.

1995
01:28:40,815 --> 01:28:43,401
The culture has to be
a little louder than the hate.

1996
01:28:43,484 --> 01:28:45,924
<i>♪ Cause they say I rhyme
They say I look like a gremlin... ♪</i>

1997
01:28:45,987 --> 01:28:48,865
We're gonna keep moving forward,
keep creating

1998
01:28:48,948 --> 01:28:51,617
and stay true to this culture.

1999
01:28:51,701 --> 01:28:54,829
Thank you for coming!
Thank you for coming.

2000
01:28:54,954 --> 01:28:57,749
[people cheering]

2001
01:28:57,832 --> 01:28:59,208
[hip-hop music playing]

2002
01:28:59,292 --> 01:29:00,668
Ah!

2003
01:29:01,336 --> 01:29:02,628
[car honk honking]

2004
01:29:02,712 --> 01:29:04,297
[bicycle bells ringing]

2005
01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:05,380
[car honk honking]

2006
01:29:05,381 --> 01:29:06,381
<i>♪ Slam ♪</i>

2007
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,594
<i>♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2008
01:29:11,929 --> 01:29:13,723
<i>♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2009
01:29:13,806 --> 01:29:15,350
<i>♪ It's my city ♪</i>

2010
01:29:16,517 --> 01:29:18,227
<i>♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2011
01:29:21,064 --> 01:29:22,982
<i>♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2012
01:29:23,066 --> 01:29:25,485
<i>♪ It's my city ♪</i>

2013
01:29:25,568 --> 01:29:27,445
<i>♪ Wake up in the morning
and I thank God ♪</i>

2014
01:29:27,528 --> 01:29:30,281
<i>♪ Pray for enemies and haters
That's the meaning of a gang star ♪</i>

2015
01:29:30,365 --> 01:29:32,450
<i>♪ I'm into everything
Hustle I get that money ♪</i>

2016
01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:35,012
<i>♪ I know I'm gonna make it
I chase it, I come and run it down ♪</i>

2017
01:29:35,036 --> 01:29:37,389
<i>♪ We out here chilled, it's Sunday
>We got the pretty women ♪</i>

2018
01:29:37,413 --> 01:29:39,850
<i>♪ Barbecues popping, no stoppin'
We're drinking beer with lemon ♪</i>

2019
01:29:39,874 --> 01:29:41,793
<i>♪ Los Angeles, baby
We own the South side ♪</i>

2020
01:29:41,876 --> 01:29:44,504
<i>♪ Cruising down Pacific
The sickest, that's how the South ride ♪</i>

2021
01:29:44,587 --> 01:29:46,339
<i>♪ Lowriders and OG's with tattoos ♪</i>

2022
01:29:46,422 --> 01:29:48,925
<i>♪ Bouncing down the boulevard
Watching as they pass you ♪</i>

2023
01:29:49,008 --> 01:29:51,153
<i>♪ Hella smoke from this Charlie Brown
It's in the sky ♪</i>

2024
01:29:51,177 --> 01:29:53,596
<i>♪ Tacos de carnitas with salsita
Boy, I'm feeling fly ♪</i>

2025
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:55,723
<i>♪ Mexicano by nature
I'm living out a zone ♪</i>

2026
01:29:55,807 --> 01:29:58,184
<i>♪ I just think with that alone
Really that I'm not alone ♪</i>

2027
01:29:58,267 --> 01:30:00,645
<i>♪ My city, my dreams,
my lifestyle ♪</i>

2028
01:30:00,728 --> 01:30:03,064
<i>♪ I love LA and this is my style ♪</i>

2029
01:30:03,147 --> 01:30:07,151
<i>♪ I love cruisin' through my city ♪</i>

2030
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,322
<i>♪ I love LA ♪</i>

2031
01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:16,994
<i>♪ We'll be chillin'
On a South Side Sunday ♪</i>

2032
01:30:17,078 --> 01:30:20,373
<i>♪ It's my favorite kind of day ♪</i>

2033
01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:25,503
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ Out here chillin' with the homies ♪</i>

2034
01:30:25,586 --> 01:30:30,258
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ Barbecues and family ♪</i>

2035
01:30:30,341 --> 01:30:34,303
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be ♪</i>

2036
01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:37,682
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ I love LA ♪</i>

2037
01:30:37,765 --> 01:30:39,434
<i>♪ Dude, man, I love LA ♪</i>

2038
01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:41,811
<i>♪ Another sunny day in California
This is Los Angeles ♪</i>

2039
01:30:41,894 --> 01:30:44,188
<i>♪ Beast Baldacci
Not to worry, let me handle this ♪</i>

2040
01:30:44,272 --> 01:30:46,441
<i>♪ Palm trees
It's the home of a real life ♪</i>

2041
01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:48,943
<i>♪ Battlefield, a war zone
But this is where I feel right ♪</i>

2042
01:30:49,026 --> 01:30:51,046
<i>♪ No hatin', we just livin'
Like we're supposed to ♪</i>

2043
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:53,573
<i>♪ Stand for who you are, yep
It's what we've been exposed to ♪</i>

2044
01:30:53,656 --> 01:30:55,783
<i>♪ I love my city, my people
I love my family ♪</i>

2045
01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:58,035
<i>♪ I love my haters, my rivals
And people mad at me ♪</i>

2046
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,496
<i>♪ I'm on the grind
I can't stop, I'm all lit ♪</i>

2047
01:31:00,580 --> 01:31:02,790
<i>♪ And every second I thank Pops
This all him ♪</i>

2048
01:31:02,874 --> 01:31:05,251
<i>♪ Mini-bikes in the street going
The feedback ♪</i>

2049
01:31:05,334 --> 01:31:07,462
<i>♪ Prostitutes and the weed sacks
Believe that ♪</i>

2050
01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:09,714
<i>♪ Broken lights so it's dark out
The kids playin' ♪</i>

2051
01:31:09,797 --> 01:31:12,049
<i>♪ Yellow tape on the next block
I'm just sayin' ♪</i>

2052
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:14,427
<i>♪ It ain't never gonna change
Boy, I love my city ♪</i>

2053
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:16,512
<i>♪ LA to my day come
and rep it with me ♪</i>

2054
01:31:16,596 --> 01:31:19,849
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ I love cruisin' through my city ♪</i>

2055
01:31:19,932 --> 01:31:21,243
<i>♪ Cruisin' through my city, boy ♪</i>

2056
01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:24,395
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ I love LA ♪</i>

2057
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,522
<i>- ♪ Man, how I love LA ♪
- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2058
01:31:26,606 --> 01:31:29,984
<i>♪ We'll be chillin'
On a South Side Sunday ♪</i>

2059
01:31:30,067 --> 01:31:33,905
<i>- ♪ Just chillin' on a South Side Sunday ♪
- ♪ It's my favorite kind of day ♪</i>

2060
01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:35,490
<i>- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪Rainbow, rainbow ♪</i>

2061
01:31:35,573 --> 01:31:39,452
<i>♪ Out here chillin' with the homies ♪</i>

2062
01:31:39,535 --> 01:31:43,998
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ Barbecues and family ♪</i>

2063
01:31:44,081 --> 01:31:47,168
<i>- ♪ Rainbow, rainbow ♪
- ♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be ♪</i>

2064
01:31:47,251 --> 01:31:51,756
<i>- ♪ Ain't no place I'd rather be ♪
- ♪ I love LA ♪</i>

2065
01:31:51,839 --> 01:31:53,257
<i>♪ Uh-huh, I love LA, yeah ♪</i>

2066
01:31:53,341 --> 01:31:55,593
<i>♪ Family is everything
Tattoos represent mine ♪</i>

2067
01:31:55,676 --> 01:31:58,054
<i>♪ Everything ahead of me
I hope you try and test mine ♪</i>

2068
01:31:58,137 --> 01:32:00,306
<i>♪ Southern champion
California weed smoke ♪</i>

2069
01:32:00,389 --> 01:32:02,725
<i>♪ The real moonrock on the top
When the beast toke ♪</i>

2070
01:32:02,808 --> 01:32:04,894
<i>♪ Los Angeles,
shout-out to my hometown ♪</i>

2071
01:32:04,977 --> 01:32:07,313
<i>♪ Fabuloso Geez, HP,
how it goes down ♪</i>

2072
01:32:07,396 --> 01:32:09,607
<i>♪ Chikoe, Blazer
The Speedy's Estevan Oriol ♪</i>

2073
01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:11,752
<i>♪ Free my brothers that's put away
Now let them go ♪</i>

2074
01:32:11,776 --> 01:32:16,280
<i>♪ I love LA ♪</i>