1 00:00:04,533 --> 00:00:06,467 and may contain mature subject matter. 2 00:00:06,467 --> 00:00:11,433 Viewer discretion is advised. 3 00:00:11,567 --> 00:00:15,467 - Tonight on "History's Greatest Mysteries": and may contain mature subject matter. 4 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:21,900 The Roswell investigation goes into uncharted territory. 5 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,800 Previously, a cryptic journal may hold vital clues 6 00:00:25,934 --> 00:00:29,467 to what crashed near Roswell in 1947. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,100 It belonged to an Army intelligence officer 8 00:00:32,233 --> 00:00:33,500 who inspected the wreckage 9 00:00:33,633 --> 00:00:35,967 and was sure it was extraterrestrial. 10 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:38,166 - It was not anything from this Earth. 11 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:39,967 That I'm quite sure of. 12 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:41,433 Fishburne: But the Army said 13 00:00:41,567 --> 00:00:43,800 it was a routine weather balloon. 14 00:00:43,934 --> 00:00:47,433 Decades later, that officer, Jesse Marcel, 15 00:00:47,567 --> 00:00:49,600 said he was forced to lie. 16 00:00:49,734 --> 00:00:51,834 - But all I could do was keep my mouth shut. 17 00:00:51,967 --> 00:00:53,066 [flash bulb crackles] 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,633 Fishburne: His family hopes a former CIA investigator 19 00:00:55,767 --> 00:00:57,166 will find the truth, 20 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:59,767 which might be hiding inside the mysterious journal. 21 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:03,200 - What I'm seeing throughout the document is consistent 22 00:01:03,333 --> 00:01:04,734 with that time period. 23 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:06,200 Fishburne: It has been authenticated 24 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:08,066 by a forensic document expert, 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,900 but what does the strange writing mean? 26 00:01:12,033 --> 00:01:13,700 I'm Laurence Fishburne. 27 00:01:13,834 --> 00:01:17,433 As our mystery continues, a famed cryptologist 28 00:01:17,567 --> 00:01:19,867 examines the journal for signs of a code. 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,700 Is there a message the writer 30 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,667 wanted the world to hear? 31 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,734 And can new technology read the words of a memo 32 00:01:27,867 --> 00:01:30,700 from a photograph taken after the Roswell crash? 33 00:01:30,834 --> 00:01:32,834 - If this document says "victims of the wreck," 34 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:35,233 it negates the skeptical arguments 35 00:01:35,367 --> 00:01:36,533 about the Roswell case. 36 00:01:36,667 --> 00:01:38,867 Fishburne: And tracking down the family 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,233 of alleged eyewitnesses 38 00:01:40,367 --> 00:01:42,633 who say they already know the truth. 39 00:01:42,767 --> 00:01:45,133 - There were little people walking around, 40 00:01:45,266 --> 00:01:47,166 and there were some dead and some alive. 41 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:50,033 What really happened at Roswell, New Mexico, 42 00:01:50,166 --> 00:01:52,533 an event that has obsessed the world? 43 00:01:52,667 --> 00:01:55,500 [dramatic music] 44 00:01:55,633 --> 00:02:02,600 ♪ ♪ 45 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,367 [ominous music] 46 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:11,667 - It's difficult to determine whether or not 47 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,500 those are three numerical sevens 48 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:17,333 or whether they are meant to form a capital letter M. 49 00:02:17,467 --> 00:02:19,033 ♪ ♪ 50 00:02:19,166 --> 00:02:23,600 - What's the date of that page? - August 31, 1947. 51 00:02:23,734 --> 00:02:25,333 - That's interesting. 52 00:02:25,467 --> 00:02:27,233 Your grandpa would have been in Roswell at that point. 53 00:02:27,367 --> 00:02:29,500 - He would have been in Roswell, yes. 54 00:02:29,633 --> 00:02:32,233 Fishburne: Former CIA investigator Ben Smith 55 00:02:32,367 --> 00:02:35,266 has returned to the office of Jennifer Naso, 56 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,667 one of America's top handwriting experts. 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,166 Joining Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson, 58 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:43,934 who believes his grandfather was torn between his duty 59 00:02:44,066 --> 00:02:46,767 as an intelligent officer to keep secrets 60 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:50,233 and a hunger to tell people what he really saw. 61 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:52,200 - I think my grandfather really wanted to tell 62 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:53,433 everything he knew about it. 63 00:02:53,567 --> 00:02:55,400 I can't believe for a second 64 00:02:55,533 --> 00:02:58,166 that he was gonna let the story die with him. 65 00:02:58,300 --> 00:02:59,834 Fishburne: For more than a month, 66 00:02:59,967 --> 00:03:02,500 Naso has been analyzing the puzzling journal 67 00:03:02,633 --> 00:03:06,233 that Marcel kept among his most valuable papers. 68 00:03:06,367 --> 00:03:08,567 She has determined that the journal was written 69 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:11,133 during the time period of the Roswell incident. 70 00:03:11,266 --> 00:03:12,667 ♪ ♪ 71 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,166 - It's this great mystery. 72 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:16,266 Why did Jesse keep this journal? 73 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,233 What could it tell us about Roswell, 74 00:03:18,367 --> 00:03:21,734 which he said was the defining event of his life? 75 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:25,000 - So what then have you learned about the handwriting? 76 00:03:25,133 --> 00:03:28,000 - So I did a handwriting comparison with the journal 77 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:31,800 and the known specimens I had for Jesse Marcel. 78 00:03:31,934 --> 00:03:35,266 So here is the lowercase P formation... 79 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,800 - Okay. - Where it starts going up, 80 00:03:37,934 --> 00:03:39,667 comes down, forms a loop 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,834 and ends to create the hole of the P. 82 00:03:41,967 --> 00:03:43,567 - Okay. 83 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:50,133 - Here is the known specimen writing I had of Jesse Marcel. 84 00:03:50,266 --> 00:03:53,066 And here's a P in "Japanese." - Yeah. 85 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,000 - And it does not have that high approach, 86 00:03:56,133 --> 00:03:59,133 coming around to loop and finishing with the P, 87 00:03:59,266 --> 00:04:02,367 whereas that is seen throughout this document, 88 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:04,633 so it's a constructural significant difference 89 00:04:04,767 --> 00:04:06,000 that I'm seeing. 90 00:04:06,133 --> 00:04:08,166 - So this journal was not written 91 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,400 in Major Marcel's handwriting? 92 00:04:10,533 --> 00:04:16,233 - Not based on the known writing I had for comparison. 93 00:04:16,367 --> 00:04:18,800 Fishburne: It is astonishing news. 94 00:04:18,934 --> 00:04:22,166 Jesse Marcel is not the author of the journal. 95 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:25,033 - There's no proof indicating a hoax or a forgery... 96 00:04:25,166 --> 00:04:26,734 - Mm-hmm. 97 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:28,967 - Or that it's anything but an important document 98 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:31,967 to your grandfather in Roswell at the time. 99 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:33,800 - At the time. - Yeah. 100 00:04:33,934 --> 00:04:35,233 - It actually raises more questions than answers, then. 101 00:04:35,367 --> 00:04:36,200 - Yeah. 102 00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:37,900 ♪ ♪ 103 00:04:38,033 --> 00:04:40,400 This is intriguing. 104 00:04:40,533 --> 00:04:43,233 The paper and ink are from the right period, 105 00:04:43,367 --> 00:04:45,066 but Jesse is not the author of the journal, 106 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,300 so why did he keep it under lock and key 107 00:04:47,433 --> 00:04:49,066 for so many years? 108 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,500 Fishburne: Unlocking the secrets of the journal 109 00:04:50,633 --> 00:04:52,166 will take more investigating. 110 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:55,033 - If it's not my grandfather's handwriting, whose is it? 111 00:04:55,166 --> 00:04:58,066 Fishburne: Who wrote it, and what does it mean? 112 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,734 Is it a code that can be deciphered? 113 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:02,767 To find out more, 114 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:06,467 Ben Smith heads to the photo archive of a major university. 115 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,300 He's hoping to find supporting evidence 116 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,700 to verify Marcel's story 117 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:14,266 that whatever crashed at Roswell was extraterrestrial. 118 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,967 ♪ ♪ 119 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:17,767 - I'm at the University of Texas Arlington, 120 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:19,266 where the keep the original negative 121 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,967 of the infamous Ramey photo. 122 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:23,533 Fishburne: That photo of the press conference 123 00:05:23,667 --> 00:05:26,133 staged by General Roger Ramey 124 00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:29,467 has long intrigued investigators. 125 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,367 His colleague General Thomas Dubose 126 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:33,700 is holding up a piece of a weather balloon, 127 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:36,066 which Ramey tells reporters is what really crashed 128 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,567 in Roswell, but look more closely. 129 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:44,400 In his hand, Ramey is holding a memo, too blurry to read, 130 00:05:44,533 --> 00:05:47,467 that some believe could confirm Jesse Marcel's story 131 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,433 of a flying saucer. 132 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:51,100 ♪ ♪ 133 00:05:51,233 --> 00:05:52,633 - I'm here to meet Kevin Randle 134 00:05:52,767 --> 00:05:54,300 to learn about the history 135 00:05:54,433 --> 00:05:56,967 of all the analyses conducted on this photo 136 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,900 and also to figure out, what more can we do 137 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,500 to decipher the message on that memo? 138 00:06:02,633 --> 00:06:03,867 Kevin. 139 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,667 - Ben. - It's so nice to meet you. 140 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,533 - Good to meet you too. Grab a chair. 141 00:06:08,667 --> 00:06:10,033 - Sure. 142 00:06:10,166 --> 00:06:11,633 Fishburne: Kevin Randle has written 143 00:06:11,767 --> 00:06:13,367 more than 80 books 144 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:15,600 and is a former intelligence officer 145 00:06:15,734 --> 00:06:18,834 and lieutenant colonel in the Iowa National Guard. 146 00:06:18,967 --> 00:06:21,300 Among ufologists, he's considered 147 00:06:21,433 --> 00:06:25,166 one of the preeminent experts on the Roswell crash. 148 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:27,367 - The Ramey memo is an interesting part 149 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:30,166 of the Roswell incident because it's a photo 150 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,800 of potential debris with Jesse Marcel. 151 00:06:34,934 --> 00:06:36,767 - It's important because 152 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,600 we have a provenance for it. - Right. 153 00:06:38,734 --> 00:06:42,033 - We can say, "This picture was taken on July 8, 1947, 154 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:43,433 in General Ramey's office." 155 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:44,934 We've got the time. 156 00:06:45,066 --> 00:06:46,500 We know who the photographer was. 157 00:06:46,633 --> 00:06:48,800 We know who all the participants were. 158 00:06:48,934 --> 00:06:52,266 Fishburne: On July 7, 1947, 159 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,633 Jesse Marcel returned to Roswell Army Airfield 160 00:06:55,767 --> 00:06:58,800 with what he thought was debris from a flying saucer 161 00:06:58,934 --> 00:07:03,567 that crashed on a remote ranch 75 miles to the west. 162 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:05,600 After viewing the strange material, 163 00:07:05,734 --> 00:07:08,367 the base commander for the 509th, 164 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:10,033 Colonel William Blanchard, 165 00:07:10,166 --> 00:07:12,166 decided to issue a press release. 166 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:14,266 - The press release shows up-- 167 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,066 newspapers all over the country, obviously. 168 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,433 "Fort Worth Star-Telegram" gets it. 169 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:20,066 They say, 170 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,734 "Head out to the base, to see what's going on. 171 00:07:21,867 --> 00:07:23,100 They've got a flying saucer." 172 00:07:23,233 --> 00:07:25,066 [dramatic music] 173 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,834 Fishburne: News of a flying saucer set off alarm bells 174 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:29,600 at 8th division headquarters, 175 00:07:29,734 --> 00:07:32,700 so the next day, General Roger Ramey held 176 00:07:32,834 --> 00:07:36,734 that famous press conference to set the record straight. 177 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:39,166 - General Ramey is the one who told the newsman 178 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,533 it was nothing more than a weather observation balloon. 179 00:07:42,667 --> 00:07:44,734 Of course, we both knew differently. 180 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:46,233 ♪ ♪ 181 00:07:46,367 --> 00:07:47,233 - The only reporter in the room 182 00:07:47,367 --> 00:07:48,900 is J. Bond Johnson, 183 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:50,367 and he's communicating with the general, 184 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:52,066 and he poses Marcel with it 185 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,900 but apparently doesn't ask him any questions, 186 00:07:54,033 --> 00:07:56,700 or if he does ask him questions, 187 00:07:56,834 --> 00:07:59,066 Ramey would answer them. 188 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,967 - He told me not to say anything. 189 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:03,467 He says, "I'll handle it from now on," 190 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,667 and that's exactly what he did. 191 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,300 It was definitely not a weather balloon. 192 00:08:09,433 --> 00:08:11,633 What it could have been, I wouldn't know. 193 00:08:11,767 --> 00:08:13,333 ♪ ♪ 194 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:14,934 Fishburne: Jesse Marcel's grandchildren 195 00:08:15,066 --> 00:08:17,400 believe he was completely blindsided 196 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:20,433 by General Ramey's press conference. 197 00:08:20,567 --> 00:08:23,900 - I see my grandfather holding up something that he knew 198 00:08:24,033 --> 00:08:25,667 that wasn't what he found. 199 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,233 - He was adamant that this was not what he saw 200 00:08:28,367 --> 00:08:30,400 in the debris field. 201 00:08:30,533 --> 00:08:33,567 Fishburne: The controversy over what crashed near Roswell 202 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:36,633 has made this photo the subject of intense scrutiny. 203 00:08:36,767 --> 00:08:38,667 ♪ ♪ 204 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,333 - You know what we ought to do is take a look at the thing, 205 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:42,834 give you an idea of exactly what we're talking about 206 00:08:42,967 --> 00:08:44,667 so that you can see what's been done. 207 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,667 - Yeah, let's do that. 208 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:50,900 - People have been looking at this document 209 00:08:51,033 --> 00:08:52,400 for literally decades 210 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:55,667 trying to determine what this memo says. 211 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,166 The problem with the Ramey memo 212 00:08:57,300 --> 00:09:00,567 is it's taken at a slight angle. 213 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:03,900 It's crunched in his hand, so it's got some folds in it, 214 00:09:04,033 --> 00:09:06,867 so we're trying to interpret the negative in such a way 215 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,133 that we don't read into it what we want to read into it. 216 00:09:11,266 --> 00:09:12,667 Right here by the thumb 217 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,633 is the words "Fort Worth, Texas." 218 00:09:14,767 --> 00:09:16,567 - At Fort Worth, Texas, yeah. 219 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:20,066 - Very critical given the time of the photograph. 220 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,367 You move down here, 221 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:23,467 toward the very end of the--the memo, 222 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,166 toward the very end and to the right side, 223 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:27,233 you can see it says "weather balloons"... 224 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:29,000 - Oh, yeah. Look at that. - As well. 225 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:31,033 - You really can. Weather--weather balloons. 226 00:09:31,166 --> 00:09:34,367 - So that gives us an idea what the document is about. 227 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:36,633 It's not the laundry list. It's not a grocery list. 228 00:09:36,767 --> 00:09:39,633 It has to do with what's going on there in Roswell. 229 00:09:39,767 --> 00:09:42,867 The other thing that is important is right down here, 230 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,700 we have one word. 231 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:46,834 Now, if we can determine what that word is, 232 00:09:46,967 --> 00:09:48,667 that might tell us something. 233 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,567 If it's Ramey, then this is a document that was prepared 234 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,400 by General Ramey, and that provides us 235 00:09:52,533 --> 00:09:53,500 with a little bit of information about it. 236 00:09:53,633 --> 00:09:54,834 - Mm-hmm. 237 00:09:54,967 --> 00:09:56,734 - Some people interpret it as "Temple." 238 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:01,967 Oddly, Temple was a codename of J. Edgar Hoover. 239 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:04,367 - No case ever ends for the Federal Bureau 240 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,667 of Investigation until it is solved 241 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,000 and closed with the conviction of the guilty 242 00:10:09,133 --> 00:10:10,533 or the acquittal of the innocent. 243 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:12,200 Fishburne: It would not be surprising 244 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:14,800 if the memo referred to J. Edgar Hoover, 245 00:10:14,934 --> 00:10:18,066 the legendary 37-year director of the FBI. 246 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,667 - No clue, no matter 247 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,800 how seemingly unimportant, can be overlooked. 248 00:10:22,934 --> 00:10:24,800 Fishburne: He'd been pushing for the FBI to have access 249 00:10:24,934 --> 00:10:26,867 to the Army's investigation of Roswell 250 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,367 but had been turned down. 251 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:33,066 In a note dated July 15, 1947, 252 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,300 just days after the crash, Hoover contemplated the idea 253 00:10:36,433 --> 00:10:40,834 of creating a special FBI unit to investigate UFOs. 254 00:10:40,967 --> 00:10:45,133 "I would consider it," Hoover wrote, adding that, 255 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:48,233 "We must insist on full access to the disc recovered." 256 00:10:48,367 --> 00:10:51,000 ♪ ♪ 257 00:10:51,133 --> 00:10:55,133 - But the important part of this 258 00:10:55,266 --> 00:10:57,166 is this sentence right here. 259 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:59,867 It could be "victims of the wreck." 260 00:11:00,066 --> 00:11:03,367 "Victims" take us in one direction, suggest something. 261 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,967 Could be "viewing of the wreck," totally different. 262 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,467 If there's victims, that implies a flight crew, 263 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,467 and a flight crew implies an alien spacecraft 264 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,266 because there's no flight crew in a weather balloon. 265 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,767 - The previous press release put out the day before 266 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,633 didn't mention anything about victims. 267 00:11:25,767 --> 00:11:27,934 - If this document says "victims of the wreck," 268 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:31,734 it negates an awful lot of the skeptical arguments 269 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:34,033 about the Roswell case. 270 00:11:34,166 --> 00:11:36,300 - I think there's some new technology we can bring 271 00:11:36,433 --> 00:11:38,800 to get down to the micron level 272 00:11:38,934 --> 00:11:40,700 and really bring out the text 273 00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:42,867 to decipher the meaning of the memo. 274 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,300 - Anything like that would be great 275 00:11:45,433 --> 00:11:47,700 because what we need to know is what it says. 276 00:11:47,834 --> 00:11:51,467 [suspenseful music] 277 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Fishburne: The photo archive at the University of Texas 278 00:11:53,934 --> 00:11:56,867 at Arlington holds 4.5 million negatives, 279 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,467 most of which are stored at 38 degrees Fahrenheit 280 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,500 to prevent them from deteriorating. 281 00:12:02,633 --> 00:12:04,333 - So why does the Ramey photo negative 282 00:12:04,467 --> 00:12:06,300 need to be stored in cold conditions? 283 00:12:06,433 --> 00:12:08,800 - It's in that very vulnerable time period 284 00:12:08,934 --> 00:12:12,367 from the 1930s to the 1950s or so. 285 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,633 Those acetate negatives in particular, 286 00:12:14,767 --> 00:12:16,600 stored in regular room temperatures, 287 00:12:16,734 --> 00:12:18,166 will deteriorate. 288 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:20,667 ♪ ♪ 289 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,834 All right. 290 00:12:22,967 --> 00:12:26,333 ♪ ♪ 291 00:12:26,467 --> 00:12:28,200 Here it is. Okay. 292 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:31,600 It has--it's identified as Brigadier General Roger Ramey, 293 00:12:31,734 --> 00:12:34,433 left, and Colonel Thomas J. Dubose 294 00:12:34,567 --> 00:12:39,166 looking over the wind forecasting device. 295 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:42,300 - Wind forecasting, aha. - Yes, yes. 296 00:12:42,433 --> 00:12:44,500 There are also pictures of weather balloons 297 00:12:44,633 --> 00:12:45,867 that are included 298 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,333 in this series of negatives... - Right. 299 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:50,000 - Because that's what they were saying it was. 300 00:12:50,133 --> 00:12:51,667 - Fascinating. - Yeah. 301 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,367 ♪ ♪ 302 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,333 - Wow. 303 00:12:55,467 --> 00:12:58,767 So the memo is just, what, 1/4 of an inch long? 304 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:00,200 - Abo that, and it's folded, 305 00:13:00,333 --> 00:13:01,900 so you can't see the whole thing. 306 00:13:02,033 --> 00:13:05,333 - Yeah. I'd like to actually bring in some analysts 307 00:13:05,467 --> 00:13:08,400 with some new technology called GIGAmacro photography. 308 00:13:08,533 --> 00:13:10,100 - Sure. - Using a microscope 309 00:13:10,233 --> 00:13:12,667 to actually look at the sublevels of the negative. 310 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Fishburne: It will be the most powerful microscope 311 00:13:14,734 --> 00:13:17,000 ever used to read the words in the memo, 312 00:13:17,133 --> 00:13:20,567 and if Ben Smith can bring into focus the word "victims," 313 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:22,000 it could expose one of the greatest 314 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:23,734 cover-ups in history. 315 00:13:23,867 --> 00:13:25,433 ♪ ♪ 316 00:13:25,567 --> 00:13:26,567 Coming up... 317 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:28,166 - My grandfather went out, 318 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:31,700 and when he got there, he saw the spaceship. 319 00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:35,567 - It was much more than just debris and strange wreckage. 320 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:37,333 There were also remains. 321 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:39,000 There were also bodies. 322 00:13:39,133 --> 00:13:41,200 Fishburne: Was this the military secret 323 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:44,100 that forced Jesse Marcel into silence? 324 00:13:44,233 --> 00:13:46,000 - Someone might choose him because he was 325 00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:48,734 the fall guy for the incident. 326 00:13:48,867 --> 00:13:52,367 ♪ ♪ 327 00:13:56,033 --> 00:13:58,967 [dramatic music] 328 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:04,734 ♪ ♪ 329 00:14:04,867 --> 00:14:07,133 Fishburne: Ben Smith has gotten exclusive permission 330 00:14:07,266 --> 00:14:09,567 from the University of Texas photo archive 331 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:12,567 to analyze the negative of a 70-year-old image. 332 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:14,900 It was snapped at the Army press conference 333 00:14:15,033 --> 00:14:16,800 where Jesse Marcel said he was forced 334 00:14:16,934 --> 00:14:20,800 to go along with a cover story that a weather balloon, 335 00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:25,233 not a flying saucer, crashed near Roswell. 336 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:27,467 - General Ramey is the one who told the newsman 337 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,900 it was nothing more than a weather observation balloon. 338 00:14:31,033 --> 00:14:33,166 Of course, we both knew differently. 339 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:35,066 - How's it going? - Good. 340 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,533 Fishburne: Smith has traveled here with Gene Cooper, 341 00:14:37,667 --> 00:14:40,400 an expert operator of the GIGAmacro, 342 00:14:40,533 --> 00:14:43,033 a powerful microscope that will be used 343 00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:49,233 to try to read the blurry memo in General Roger Ramey's hand. 344 00:14:49,367 --> 00:14:51,900 - This Ramey photo is a piece of history 345 00:14:52,033 --> 00:14:54,000 that you won't find anywhere else. 346 00:14:54,133 --> 00:14:56,233 I'm excited I get to see it with my own eyes. 347 00:14:56,367 --> 00:14:58,567 I don't get to touch it, but I do get to use 348 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:00,734 the latest technology to peer into it 349 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:04,567 at the molecular level to see if we can decipher 350 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:05,967 whatever message is in that memo. 351 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:07,867 [suspenseful music] 352 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,934 My goal is to read the memo in General Ramey's hands. 353 00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:13,533 This will spark a lot of controversy, 354 00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:16,367 but if we can figure out what it says, 355 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,800 we can perhaps solve the Roswell mystery. 356 00:15:19,934 --> 00:15:21,567 - So what we're gonna do is we're gonna get down 357 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:22,800 into the grains of the emulsion. 358 00:15:22,934 --> 00:15:24,767 We're gonna go up to 80,000 DPI 359 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,800 with the camera system that we have here. 360 00:15:26,934 --> 00:15:28,133 ♪ ♪ 361 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:31,567 It's gonna take a series of focal stacks, 362 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:35,266 which is bringing all those depths of field into view. 363 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,266 We're gonna merge all those together. 364 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,867 We're gonna then do it over the entire area of that memo 365 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,967 and then see what we find. 366 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:44,867 - And nobody's done it to this photo yet. 367 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,266 No-- - No. 368 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,533 I believe that the last scan, 369 00:15:47,667 --> 00:15:52,200 done in 2015, was around 1,000 DPI, 370 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,934 and what we'll be doing today 371 00:15:54,066 --> 00:15:56,533 is in the neighborhood of 60,000 to 80,000 DPI. 372 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,800 - Wow. Wow. 373 00:15:58,934 --> 00:16:00,800 So we really might be able to read this thing. 374 00:16:00,934 --> 00:16:02,433 - That's what we're hopeful of, and I'm excited 375 00:16:02,567 --> 00:16:04,200 to get in there and see what we can find. 376 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,700 - Oh, yeah. This is gonna be great. 377 00:16:06,834 --> 00:16:08,300 Fishburne: To try and read the memo, 378 00:16:08,433 --> 00:16:09,834 Gene Cooper will focus in 379 00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:12,033 on hundreds of micro images 380 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:14,533 and then begin the painstaking job 381 00:16:14,667 --> 00:16:16,867 of stitching them together into a mosaic. 382 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,433 ♪ ♪ 383 00:16:22,567 --> 00:16:26,266 While Cooper works, Ben Smith travels back to Roswell 384 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,000 to follow up on an intriguing lead. 385 00:16:30,133 --> 00:16:32,266 - Is there any other information to help me 386 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,834 in my investigation to get to that ground-level truth? 387 00:16:35,967 --> 00:16:37,500 Fishburne: Local residents have been reluctant 388 00:16:37,633 --> 00:16:39,367 to give Smith the names of acquaintances 389 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:42,200 that claim to know more details of the Roswell story 390 00:16:42,333 --> 00:16:45,166 than Jesse Marcel ever divulged publicly. 391 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,700 - Why the hesitancy to share with me his name? 392 00:16:48,834 --> 00:16:50,133 - It's privacy. 393 00:16:50,266 --> 00:16:51,800 We're still protecting the people that-- 394 00:16:51,934 --> 00:16:53,767 who have been most affected. 395 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:58,300 - When the government says you don't talk about something, 396 00:16:58,433 --> 00:16:59,867 you didn't talk about it. 397 00:17:00,066 --> 00:17:02,767 ♪ ♪ 398 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:05,266 Fishburne: Smith has located Barbara Duggar, 399 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,900 granddaughter of Sheriff George Wilcox, 400 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:09,867 the man who first alerted the military 401 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,333 that some strange wreckage had been found in the field. 402 00:17:12,467 --> 00:17:16,500 - Sheriff Wilcox is the fourth person in that inner ring 403 00:17:16,633 --> 00:17:19,400 of witnesses with firsthand knowledge 404 00:17:19,533 --> 00:17:20,900 of what was on that debris field. 405 00:17:21,033 --> 00:17:22,767 ♪ ♪ 406 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:25,000 Fishburne: Wilcox got to see the debris himself 407 00:17:25,133 --> 00:17:26,500 when rancher Mac Brazel 408 00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:28,900 brought some to the sheriff's office. 409 00:17:29,033 --> 00:17:30,567 Smith wants to find out what else 410 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:32,266 Wilcox might have told his family. 411 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,100 ♪ ♪ 412 00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:38,033 - If you could, I'd like to hear about your connection 413 00:17:38,166 --> 00:17:40,533 to Sheriff George Wilcox. 414 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:44,900 - I am Inez Wilcox and George Wilcox's granddaughter. 415 00:17:45,033 --> 00:17:47,100 My grandfather, George Wilcox, 416 00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:49,400 was a very kind and loving man. 417 00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:52,266 He tried to help the people that didn't have anything 418 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,834 'cause, you know, Roswell 419 00:17:53,967 --> 00:17:57,166 at that time wasn't a real prosperous city. 420 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,700 - And when did you first hear about his connection 421 00:17:59,834 --> 00:18:03,300 to the events of July 1947? 422 00:18:03,433 --> 00:18:07,600 - In 1969, I was at my grandmother's house, 423 00:18:07,734 --> 00:18:09,600 Inez Wilcox, 424 00:18:09,734 --> 00:18:13,133 and it was the same day that they had landed on the moon, 425 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:14,934 and that's when my grandmother 426 00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:17,333 told me about the Roswell incident. 427 00:18:17,467 --> 00:18:19,333 - And what did she say? 428 00:18:19,467 --> 00:18:21,967 - My grandmother got up from her seat, 429 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:23,800 and she closed the door. 430 00:18:23,934 --> 00:18:25,500 She locked it, 431 00:18:25,633 --> 00:18:30,433 she put the blinds down, and I looked at her, 432 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:32,900 and that was not her behavior. 433 00:18:33,033 --> 00:18:34,500 She was very positive, 434 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:37,000 very beautiful and wonderful, and she said, 435 00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:39,500 "I have something that I must tell you, 436 00:18:39,633 --> 00:18:42,800 "and you must promise me that you will never, 437 00:18:42,934 --> 00:18:47,166 "ever, ever tell this story to anyone. 438 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:50,300 If you do, we will all be killed," 439 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:52,100 and she started telling the story 440 00:18:52,233 --> 00:18:54,066 to my sister Phyllis and I. 441 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,800 [tense music] 442 00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:57,500 Fishburne: According to Barbara Duggar, 443 00:18:57,633 --> 00:18:59,166 when her grandfather got to the crash site, 444 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,667 it was already surrounded by the military, 445 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,333 and they weren't happy to see him. 446 00:19:04,467 --> 00:19:08,400 - My grandfather went out to see what had happened. 447 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:11,633 When he got there, he saw the spaceship. 448 00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:15,133 The flying saucer had crashed outside of Roswell. 449 00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:17,667 There were aliens. 450 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,800 And then she talked about the aliens 451 00:19:20,934 --> 00:19:22,633 and how they were dressed. 452 00:19:22,767 --> 00:19:24,734 Yes. - How--how were they dressed? 453 00:19:24,867 --> 00:19:27,300 - Well, they had on a silk suit, 454 00:19:27,433 --> 00:19:29,133 and they had the big eyes. 455 00:19:29,266 --> 00:19:32,066 She said there were little people walking around, 456 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,867 and there were some dead and some alive. 457 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:34,967 ♪ ♪ 458 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,033 I mean, I just sat there 459 00:19:37,166 --> 00:19:40,467 and leaned back in my chair and thought... 460 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,400 Fishburne: Barbara Duggar believed, 461 00:19:42,533 --> 00:19:45,033 even more than the spaceship debris, 462 00:19:45,166 --> 00:19:47,400 it was the arrival of aliens on Earth 463 00:19:47,533 --> 00:19:50,300 that the military wanted to keep secret. 464 00:19:50,433 --> 00:19:52,367 - Then the military came 465 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,734 and told him to go back to the office 466 00:19:54,867 --> 00:19:58,033 because there would be a lot of interviewing. 467 00:19:58,166 --> 00:19:59,467 ♪ ♪ 468 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,967 They surrounded the courthouse. 469 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,834 They came in. 470 00:20:02,967 --> 00:20:06,066 They roughed George Wilcox up in front of Big Mom, 471 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:12,133 and she said a redheaded colonel came into the office 472 00:20:12,266 --> 00:20:13,700 and told Granddaddy-- 473 00:20:13,834 --> 00:20:17,033 got him and told him, in no uncertain terms, 474 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:20,200 if they told the story of the Roswell incident, 475 00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:22,834 that their family would be killed 476 00:20:22,967 --> 00:20:24,500 and all their grandchildren. 477 00:20:24,633 --> 00:20:26,333 I mean, they threatened him, 478 00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:31,000 and I said to her, I said, "You really believe, Big Mom, 479 00:20:31,133 --> 00:20:34,367 that the military is going to come and kill all of us?" 480 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,233 And she said, "Yes, and they will." 481 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:39,367 - It sounds like it really affected your grandmother. 482 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:40,567 - Yes. 483 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,500 She knew that they meant business. 484 00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:46,800 My grandmother, Inez Wilcox, and George Wilcox 485 00:20:46,934 --> 00:20:49,400 had been harassed, 486 00:20:49,533 --> 00:20:52,333 they had been threatened, 487 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:54,967 and their lives had been changed. 488 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,467 My grandfather went crazy, 489 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,800 and my grandmother had to go through a lot of hell 490 00:20:59,934 --> 00:21:01,567 because of that. 491 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:06,233 - How do you connect your grandfather's mental illness 492 00:21:06,367 --> 00:21:07,600 to the events of Roswell? 493 00:21:07,734 --> 00:21:09,800 What leads you to this conclusion? 494 00:21:09,934 --> 00:21:12,400 - My grandfather was perfectly normal. 495 00:21:12,533 --> 00:21:14,867 He wouldn't have been sheriff of Roswell if he weren't. 496 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,867 - Right. He was well-respected from what I've read. 497 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:23,467 - And after that, he was not normal ever again, ever again, 498 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,066 and if somebody from the government doesn't like it, 499 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,266 well, that's just too dang bad. 500 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,433 ♪ ♪ 501 00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:30,900 It is real. 502 00:21:31,033 --> 00:21:33,633 The Roswell incident is real. 503 00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,033 ♪ ♪ 504 00:21:35,166 --> 00:21:36,867 - It's a powerful story. - Thank you, Ben. 505 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,033 - And I will weigh it with the rest of my investigation, 506 00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:42,266 and hopefully we can get to truth. 507 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,567 - People in America and the world need to know 508 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,600 that the Roswell incident is real 509 00:21:49,734 --> 00:21:51,867 and the government can't say it's not true. 510 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,633 "It's an air balloon. It's a weather balloon." 511 00:21:54,767 --> 00:21:57,133 It isn't. It was real. 512 00:21:57,266 --> 00:21:58,300 Fishburne: Coming up... 513 00:21:58,433 --> 00:22:00,367 - 40 miles north of Roswell. 514 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:03,166 That was the drum beat we were hearing for years. 515 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,667 Fishburne: Ben Smith travels to a new location 516 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,200 where some claim they saw incredible things 517 00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:10,867 that the government decided to conceal. 518 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,834 - One body was shriveled up against the wall, 519 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:15,500 and when we got in close, we noticed that 520 00:22:15,633 --> 00:22:19,200 there were three others inside the craft. 521 00:22:19,333 --> 00:22:23,266 ♪ ♪ 522 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,934 [dramatic music] 523 00:22:30,066 --> 00:22:31,867 ♪ ♪ 524 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800 [tense music] 525 00:22:34,934 --> 00:22:36,467 ♪ ♪ 526 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,734 - So we are on our way to the second debris site. 527 00:22:40,867 --> 00:22:42,700 - What we call the impact site. 528 00:22:42,834 --> 00:22:44,533 - The impact site. - Yes. 529 00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:46,033 Fishburne: After meeting with the granddaughter 530 00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:47,567 of a key eyewitness... 531 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:51,734 - When he got there, he saw the spaceship. 532 00:22:51,867 --> 00:22:54,133 Fishburne: Ben Smith wants to find physical evidence 533 00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:55,767 from the crash in Roswell, 534 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,233 so he's linking up with UFO researcher 535 00:22:58,367 --> 00:23:00,433 and author Don Schmitt, 536 00:23:00,567 --> 00:23:03,100 who claims to have interviewed 600 eyewitnesses 537 00:23:03,233 --> 00:23:05,333 connected to the event. 538 00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:07,633 - So who are our primary witnesses 539 00:23:07,767 --> 00:23:10,700 that identified this site? 540 00:23:10,834 --> 00:23:15,300 - Initially it was the family of Sheriff Wilcox 541 00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:19,266 when they were describing his coming out north of town. 542 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,700 Fishburne: It was Schmitt who first took Ben Smith 543 00:23:22,834 --> 00:23:26,433 to the debris field west of Roswell, 544 00:23:26,567 --> 00:23:28,300 the site where Major Jesse Marcel 545 00:23:28,433 --> 00:23:31,166 collected pieces of what he saw. 546 00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:36,333 ♪ ♪ 547 00:23:36,467 --> 00:23:39,934 - This is where it all began back in 1947. 548 00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:41,367 Fishburne: But today they are on their way 549 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:43,033 to a different location 550 00:23:43,166 --> 00:23:45,100 referred to as the impact site, 551 00:23:45,233 --> 00:23:48,433 which is north of Roswell. 552 00:23:48,567 --> 00:23:50,700 - "40 miles, 40 miles north of Roswell," 553 00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:54,033 that was the drum beat we were hearing for years. 554 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:55,700 Fishburne: Schmitt believes that a spacecraft 555 00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:57,800 initially hit the ground at the debris field, 556 00:23:57,934 --> 00:23:59,633 where pieces broke off, 557 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:03,533 but then it skipped 25 miles to this impact site, 558 00:24:03,667 --> 00:24:05,900 where it finally came to rest. 559 00:24:06,033 --> 00:24:07,567 - They had the much more spectacular, 560 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,166 the much more sensitive impact site 561 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:11,934 just north of town, 562 00:24:12,066 --> 00:24:16,033 and this is where it was much more than just debris 563 00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:17,600 and strange wreckage. 564 00:24:17,734 --> 00:24:19,100 There were also remains. 565 00:24:19,233 --> 00:24:20,567 There were also bodies. 566 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,700 ♪ ♪ 567 00:24:22,834 --> 00:24:25,000 Fishburne: The third member of the team is Frank Kimbler, 568 00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:26,667 a veteran geologist 569 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,900 based at the New Mexico Military Institute. 570 00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:31,834 - Well, I've been wanting to go out to this final impact site 571 00:24:31,967 --> 00:24:33,934 for a couple of years. 572 00:24:34,066 --> 00:24:35,433 Fishburne: Kimbler has combed every inch 573 00:24:35,567 --> 00:24:36,934 of the debris field, 574 00:24:37,066 --> 00:24:38,934 searching for pieces of wreckage, 575 00:24:39,066 --> 00:24:42,667 but this is his first visit to the alleged impact site. 576 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,767 - I like science fiction, but I also like science fact. 577 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:47,734 I actually lived here for six months in Roswell 578 00:24:47,867 --> 00:24:49,500 before I even visited the UFO museum. 579 00:24:49,633 --> 00:24:51,367 Then I went down to the museum, 580 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,100 and I said, "You know what? There's no physical evidence," 581 00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:57,000 and that was the whole gist behind this. 582 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:58,667 Fishburne: If Kimbler can find traces 583 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,467 that a spaceship crashed here, 584 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,433 it would mean Jesse Marcel was right about 585 00:25:02,567 --> 00:25:05,500 the source of the wreckage at the debris field. 586 00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:07,400 ♪ ♪ 587 00:25:07,533 --> 00:25:10,100 - I'm excited about this site because it feels fresh. 588 00:25:10,233 --> 00:25:13,333 It's on private property. It's not known to the public. 589 00:25:13,467 --> 00:25:16,333 It's not marked on any tourist map. 590 00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,300 It's been protected all this time. 591 00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:21,000 - The debris field was always conceded. 592 00:25:21,133 --> 00:25:22,900 That was the one thing 593 00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:26,166 that even the press release was based on. 594 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,133 Mac Brazel, 595 00:25:28,266 --> 00:25:30,233 the strangeness of the debris, 596 00:25:30,367 --> 00:25:31,734 the unusual characteristics, 597 00:25:31,867 --> 00:25:34,767 the qualities of that wreckage. 598 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,834 - They've got the debris field. 599 00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:38,100 It's scattered debris. 600 00:25:38,233 --> 00:25:39,734 It's clearly, to them, 601 00:25:39,867 --> 00:25:42,133 something that's not terrestrially oriented. 602 00:25:42,266 --> 00:25:44,333 They don't know where it's from, 603 00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:46,400 but they're looking for something else, 604 00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:48,667 and it was on one of those flights 605 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,166 that they found the rest of the wreckage. 606 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,500 [unsettling music] 607 00:25:53,633 --> 00:25:57,633 - At the very time that the rancher, Mac Brazel, 608 00:25:57,767 --> 00:26:00,867 has led Major Jesse Marcel, 609 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,567 as well as Captain Sheridan Cavitt, 610 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:05,734 back to the debris field, 611 00:26:05,867 --> 00:26:09,200 so while they are investigating that location, 612 00:26:09,333 --> 00:26:10,700 the debris field, 613 00:26:10,834 --> 00:26:15,233 the military is alerted to the additional site 614 00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:18,166 just 40 miles north of town, 615 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:22,233 which we would learn was the impact site, 616 00:26:22,367 --> 00:26:25,867 the remains of the craft and the bodies recovered. 617 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,900 ♪ ♪ 618 00:26:28,033 --> 00:26:31,500 - Don, you know that story about the McKnights going over 619 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:35,033 to the Ball family ranch before the military came out... 620 00:26:35,166 --> 00:26:37,467 - Yes, yes. - And basically said, 621 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,834 "Hey, do you want to come over and see the little people?" 622 00:26:39,967 --> 00:26:42,233 - Right. That was the talk back then. 623 00:26:42,367 --> 00:26:44,000 "The little people." - Little people. Yeah. 624 00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:46,834 - The little people, the little men. 625 00:26:46,967 --> 00:26:49,700 Fishburne: According to the alleged eyewitnesses, 626 00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:51,133 several members of the alien crew 627 00:26:51,266 --> 00:26:54,000 were badly injured or dead. 628 00:26:54,133 --> 00:26:55,500 - Would this have been before they made 629 00:26:55,633 --> 00:26:57,000 the press release or after? 630 00:26:57,133 --> 00:26:58,567 - Before. - Yeah. 631 00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:59,867 - Because given the crash happened-- 632 00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:03,967 this was the late evening of July 2nd, 633 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:10,433 so there's a full four to five days before the military 634 00:27:10,567 --> 00:27:14,100 actually is able to seal off the areas, 635 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:17,967 come in and conduct the recovery operation. 636 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:20,200 [dramatic music] 637 00:27:20,333 --> 00:27:22,033 Fishburne: The story of a man named Frank Kaufmann 638 00:27:22,166 --> 00:27:24,033 has never been verified. 639 00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:27,300 He claims he was a civilian attached to a military unit 640 00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:29,100 assigned to recover alien bodies 641 00:27:29,233 --> 00:27:31,467 and the spaceship at the impact site. 642 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,633 ♪ ♪ 643 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:36,934 Kaufmann gave this interview in 1995. 644 00:27:37,066 --> 00:27:39,033 ♪ ♪ 645 00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:43,367 - There was a lot of erratic movement on the radar screen. 646 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,100 ♪ ♪ 647 00:27:46,233 --> 00:27:49,900 Then all of a sudden there was kind of a flash, 648 00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:52,200 and it just disappeared. 649 00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:55,900 Something just went down. 650 00:27:56,033 --> 00:27:58,066 Fishburne: After spotting an unidentified aircraft, 651 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,567 they headed to the location 652 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,600 where it had disappeared from radar. 653 00:28:02,734 --> 00:28:06,600 - We got to where it was, 654 00:28:06,734 --> 00:28:09,333 and we learned right then and there it wasn't a plane. 655 00:28:09,467 --> 00:28:10,700 It wasn't a missile. 656 00:28:10,834 --> 00:28:14,433 It was kind of a strange-looking craft, 657 00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:18,600 and it was open and-- kind of halfway. 658 00:28:18,734 --> 00:28:23,166 - Witnesses not only observing the egg-shaped craft 659 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,266 about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, 660 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,133 seeing a number of bodies. 661 00:28:29,266 --> 00:28:32,600 - One body was shriveled up against the wall. 662 00:28:32,734 --> 00:28:38,533 The other one was--was half in and half out of the craft, 663 00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:40,633 and when we got in close, we noticed 664 00:28:40,767 --> 00:28:43,867 that there were about three others inside the craft. 665 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,934 Fishburne: According to Kaufmann's story, 666 00:28:46,066 --> 00:28:47,700 the convoy loaded up the ship 667 00:28:47,834 --> 00:28:49,767 and the alien bodies into trucks 668 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:51,367 and headed back to the same base 669 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,500 where Jesse Marcel had brought his debris. 670 00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:55,934 ♪ ♪ 671 00:28:56,066 --> 00:28:57,867 Coming up, Ben Smith 672 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,967 finds clues that support witnesses 673 00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:02,100 who claim that this is the site where the mysterious 674 00:29:02,233 --> 00:29:05,033 Roswell UFO made its final impact. 675 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:06,233 - Oh, look at this. 676 00:29:06,367 --> 00:29:10,266 ♪ ♪ 677 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,834 [dramatic music] 678 00:29:16,967 --> 00:29:18,600 ♪ ♪ 679 00:29:18,734 --> 00:29:21,500 [tense music] 680 00:29:21,633 --> 00:29:24,700 ♪ ♪ 681 00:29:24,834 --> 00:29:29,533 - If there was the remains of a craft and bodies, 682 00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:32,100 where would that be located? 683 00:29:32,233 --> 00:29:34,333 Fishburne: If a flying saucer with alien bodies 684 00:29:34,467 --> 00:29:36,633 was recovered at Roswell, Ben Smith 685 00:29:36,767 --> 00:29:39,367 hopes that there still could be evidence at the site 686 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,300 where the object might have come to rest. 687 00:29:42,433 --> 00:29:43,467 - The search for the Holy Grail, 688 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,500 as we would call it, continues. 689 00:29:44,633 --> 00:29:46,367 - Yeah. 690 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,367 Fishburne: The debris field is where Jesse Marcel 691 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,467 found pieces of wreckage, but according to Don Schmitt, 692 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,333 it is not where the object finally came to rest. 693 00:29:53,467 --> 00:29:55,333 He believes it hit the debris field 694 00:29:55,467 --> 00:29:57,834 and skipped like a rock to land 695 00:29:57,967 --> 00:30:00,166 at what he calls the final impact site. 696 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:03,133 - It's the only wooden windmill on this ranch, 697 00:30:03,266 --> 00:30:05,700 40 miles north of Roswell. 698 00:30:05,834 --> 00:30:08,033 Fishburne: Schmitt says eyewitnesses remembered 699 00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,667 certain landmarks here, 700 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,834 including a windmill and a water tank. 701 00:30:12,967 --> 00:30:14,133 - Piece of the windmill. 702 00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:15,333 - Piece of the original windmill. 703 00:30:15,467 --> 00:30:16,500 - Holy cow. - There it is. 704 00:30:16,633 --> 00:30:18,100 - Wow. 705 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:19,300 I mean, this thing is a historical relic now. 706 00:30:19,433 --> 00:30:21,934 - And we can see... it is a relic. 707 00:30:22,066 --> 00:30:22,967 - Yeah. - I mean, you see 708 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,000 by the condition of the wood, 709 00:30:25,133 --> 00:30:27,133 and that was the one crucial element 710 00:30:27,266 --> 00:30:29,600 in the description of the witnesses, 711 00:30:29,734 --> 00:30:31,600 that it was a wooden windmill. 712 00:30:31,734 --> 00:30:34,467 - How tall would that windmill have been, you think? 713 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,000 - 15 feet. - Okay. 714 00:30:36,133 --> 00:30:37,934 - So it wasn't where you would think, you know, 715 00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:40,166 a towering structure, 716 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,500 because as you see what-- the prevailing wind, 717 00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:45,166 it didn't take much to keep those blades going. 718 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,266 ♪ ♪ 719 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,867 You see the empty bed 720 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,633 where the metal water tank existed back in 1947, 721 00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:57,367 so you see, by its circumference... 722 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,834 - Yeah. Yep. - It was about 8 feet high, 723 00:30:59,967 --> 00:31:01,834 as it was when we were first out here. 724 00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:04,100 - As I look around, I see the Capitan Mountains, 725 00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:06,667 the same mountains we could see from the debris site 726 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,333 that Mac Brazel identified. 727 00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,400 So coming about 25 miles 728 00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:13,867 from that direction parallel to the Capitans almost, 729 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,233 coming towards Roswell. 730 00:31:15,367 --> 00:31:16,900 - Yes. - Okay. 731 00:31:17,033 --> 00:31:19,767 So if we have the windmill right here-- 732 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,100 so let's walk back towards the Brazel debris site 733 00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:27,233 100 feet, and we'll set you up to begin your survey. 734 00:31:27,367 --> 00:31:28,333 - That'll work. - All right. 735 00:31:28,467 --> 00:31:29,900 Sounds good. - Yeah. 736 00:31:30,033 --> 00:31:32,066 - I can't wait to take out a metal detector 737 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,333 and see if we can find something out here. 738 00:31:33,467 --> 00:31:35,033 It would be great. 739 00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:37,266 Fishburne: For Kimbler, this is virgin ground. 740 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,100 He has never explored it before. 741 00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:41,567 It's a fresh chance to uncover evidence. 742 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,900 [soft beeping] 743 00:31:44,033 --> 00:31:47,500 ♪ ♪ 744 00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:50,700 - Well, I don't know. Piece of old wire. 745 00:31:50,834 --> 00:31:52,100 - See, that's the thing about this. 746 00:31:52,233 --> 00:31:54,233 I think we're too close to the windmill, 747 00:31:54,367 --> 00:31:56,667 and we're gonna end up with a lot of-- 748 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,166 we're gonna end up with a lot of trash on the-- 749 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,166 in that general vicinity. 750 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:02,734 If you've got the evidence, 751 00:32:02,867 --> 00:32:05,166 if you have a piece of a UFO in your hand, 752 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,333 and you can prove that it's of extraterrestrial origin, 753 00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:09,000 it's history making. 754 00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:11,233 That is a quest like looking for the Holy Grail. 755 00:32:11,367 --> 00:32:13,166 Oh, look at this. 756 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,667 That was right on the surface. 757 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,667 I wonder if that's it. 758 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,500 That's a bullet casing, 759 00:32:17,633 --> 00:32:20,233 and that's a--that's a high-powered one too. 760 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,100 Fishburne: Today, Kimbler is looking 761 00:32:25,233 --> 00:32:27,233 for metallic debris. 762 00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:29,233 Alleged eyewitnesses say 763 00:32:29,367 --> 00:32:31,266 that when the military first came to this site, 764 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,333 they tried to clean up any evidence of what crashed. 765 00:32:34,467 --> 00:32:36,100 [soft beeping] 766 00:32:36,233 --> 00:32:38,066 - You find something? - Yeah. 767 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,667 We need to dig this one up. 768 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,467 So it's right there. 769 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,100 Right there. X marks the spot. 770 00:32:46,233 --> 00:32:47,633 - Deeper than I thought it'd be. 771 00:32:47,767 --> 00:32:49,333 [soft beeping] 772 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:50,900 ♪ ♪ 773 00:32:51,033 --> 00:32:53,600 Oh, here we go. - Did you find it? 774 00:32:53,734 --> 00:32:54,800 - What's that? 775 00:32:54,934 --> 00:32:57,667 ♪ ♪ 776 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,667 It's a little sharp. 777 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,333 Feels--looks corroded. 778 00:33:00,467 --> 00:33:02,166 - It's--I don't know what that is. 779 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800 It's heavy. - It is a little green, 780 00:33:05,934 --> 00:33:07,400 so maybe a little copper in there. 781 00:33:07,533 --> 00:33:09,033 - Copper, it's been buried for a little while. 782 00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:12,400 Let's just bag it up. So mark the waypoint. 783 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:14,033 Now we got the exact location. 784 00:33:14,166 --> 00:33:16,133 We can plot this on Google Earth. 785 00:33:16,266 --> 00:33:17,700 - Uh-huh. - We'll know exactly 786 00:33:17,834 --> 00:33:20,033 where we are and where the piece was found. 787 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,800 ♪ ♪ 788 00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:26,133 - Had this site not existed, if witnesses had not described 789 00:33:26,266 --> 00:33:29,533 this location with bodies and a spaceship, 790 00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:31,567 then we might not have the Roswell conspiracy 791 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,567 that exists today. 792 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,333 I don't know what to make of it just yet, 793 00:33:35,467 --> 00:33:36,900 but there are supporting details 794 00:33:37,033 --> 00:33:41,000 that suggest something bigger happened here. 795 00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:43,667 Fishburne: Ben Smith will have this piece of metal tested 796 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,867 to see if it could be a bullet casing from the 1940s 797 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,734 or possibly a kind of material 798 00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:52,467 mankind hadn't yet manufactured. 799 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,333 ♪ ♪ 800 00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:56,834 Meanwhile, progress has been made 801 00:33:56,967 --> 00:33:58,967 on another important test. 802 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,533 At the University of Texas, 803 00:34:01,667 --> 00:34:04,767 Gene Cooper has been taking history's closest look 804 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,734 at the negative from the famous photo 805 00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:11,467 using a GIGAmacro microscope to focus on the memo held 806 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,934 by General Roger Ramey. 807 00:34:15,066 --> 00:34:17,633 ♪ ♪ 808 00:34:17,767 --> 00:34:19,867 - Gentlemen. 809 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,900 Hey. - Hey. 810 00:34:21,033 --> 00:34:22,300 - Hello. - How's it going? 811 00:34:22,433 --> 00:34:24,300 - Good. - How's the analysis going? 812 00:34:24,433 --> 00:34:27,133 - We've been busy here. 813 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:28,734 Fishburne: Gene Cooper's goal is to create 814 00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:31,300 the most high-resolution image possible. 815 00:34:31,433 --> 00:34:33,633 The GIGAmacro's lens is so powerful, 816 00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,600 it can capture the grains of a negative 817 00:34:35,734 --> 00:34:38,266 at 80,000 dots per square inch. 818 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400 ♪ ♪ 819 00:34:40,533 --> 00:34:43,033 - We shot probably around 3,000, 820 00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:44,800 4,000 images total. - Wow. 821 00:34:44,934 --> 00:34:47,734 - It's a combination of focal stacking 822 00:34:47,867 --> 00:34:51,433 and then image mosaic stitching to put it all together. 823 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:52,900 ♪ ♪ 824 00:34:53,033 --> 00:34:54,967 - Nobody's ever tried this before. 825 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,133 We will have created the clearest resolution 826 00:34:57,266 --> 00:34:59,300 in the history of this iconic photo. 827 00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:01,633 The question is, will we be able to read it? 828 00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:03,033 And will we find the smoking gun 829 00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:05,533 that proves the eyewitnesses right? 830 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:09,533 - So in this case, we're looking at the very top 831 00:35:09,667 --> 00:35:12,800 of the acetate base of the negative. 832 00:35:12,934 --> 00:35:14,500 - Mm-hmm. - And on there, 833 00:35:14,633 --> 00:35:16,133 you'll see different scratches and different artifacts, 834 00:35:16,266 --> 00:35:18,834 so this one that's right next to a key point, 835 00:35:18,967 --> 00:35:20,033 a letter there... 836 00:35:20,166 --> 00:35:21,600 - This little dot here? 837 00:35:21,734 --> 00:35:23,100 - That little dot there. You can see it there. 838 00:35:23,233 --> 00:35:25,033 You'd normally see it on a regular scan, 839 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,033 but when I actually focus down 840 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,033 into the negative, it disappears. 841 00:35:29,166 --> 00:35:31,266 - Oh, perfect. - And not by any, you know, 842 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,767 cloning or copying material from one location to the other 843 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,100 or anything like that digitally, purely optically. 844 00:35:37,233 --> 00:35:38,600 We can start enhancing it 845 00:35:38,734 --> 00:35:41,500 to bring out and take a closer look 846 00:35:41,633 --> 00:35:46,266 at each of the individual letters and phrases. 847 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,100 - The memo is one of the most controversial parts 848 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:49,467 of the Roswell story. 849 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,000 A lot of ufologists believe 850 00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:53,333 that it contains a reference to victims. 851 00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:55,266 So the question is, can the GIGAmacro 852 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,867 identify that word? 853 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,367 I mean, right away, I notice our word "victims" 854 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:03,400 looks like it starts with a P. 855 00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:05,367 Is that--are you-- do you see that too? 856 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:07,200 - Yeah, I-- when he first brought it up, 857 00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,667 I thought the word became "pending." 858 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,834 Fishburne: This extraordinary high-resolution version 859 00:36:12,967 --> 00:36:14,266 produced by the GIGAmacro 860 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,567 shows the photo in greater detail 861 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,900 than anyone has ever seen before. 862 00:36:19,033 --> 00:36:20,533 ♪ ♪ 863 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,100 - What about, yeah, the signature? 864 00:36:22,233 --> 00:36:23,767 Can we see the signature line? 865 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,900 - This is the signature line. 866 00:36:26,033 --> 00:36:33,266 - R-A-M-E-Y. 867 00:36:34,667 --> 00:36:37,233 - The Y is way separated from the word. 868 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:38,734 - Could that be, like, 869 00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:40,333 a slight rise in the paper or something, 870 00:36:40,467 --> 00:36:42,266 like an option illusion? I don't know, like a... 871 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,533 - It could, in fact, be an optical illusion, 872 00:36:45,667 --> 00:36:47,500 based on the way the camera was held 873 00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,033 and the lens of the camera 874 00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:52,767 and the lighting conceals things from us. 875 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:55,000 - Right, right. 876 00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:58,100 So do we have any samples 877 00:36:58,233 --> 00:37:01,967 of actual teletype or fonts from the age? 878 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,166 - Yeah, we did look up-- there was a font case 879 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:05,734 that did match, 880 00:37:05,867 --> 00:37:07,467 and it actually looks something like this. 881 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,667 - Actually, that's really fascinating because 882 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,633 I, for some reason in my mind, 883 00:37:11,767 --> 00:37:14,333 expected the letters to be of varying widths 884 00:37:14,467 --> 00:37:18,600 and sizes a bit like they are in modern fonts. 885 00:37:18,734 --> 00:37:21,967 So go back to that Ramey photo. 886 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,133 Yeah, the uniform size of each letter 887 00:37:24,266 --> 00:37:28,934 really makes for more possibilities, actually. 888 00:37:29,066 --> 00:37:30,600 We're getting closer now to clarity. 889 00:37:30,734 --> 00:37:33,567 We can start to feel, but it still feels fuzzy, 890 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,800 like we're groping for the answer that we want. 891 00:37:35,934 --> 00:37:38,734 - Is this about as far as you can go with magnification 892 00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:40,767 without just losing everything? 893 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,133 - You are, at this point, seeing the grains 894 00:37:43,266 --> 00:37:45,834 of the emulsion layer of the silver halides, 895 00:37:45,967 --> 00:37:48,734 and there's nothing more to see beyond that. 896 00:37:48,867 --> 00:37:51,400 - I was a little disappointed there wasn't perfect clarity 897 00:37:51,533 --> 00:37:55,000 in that image, but using those new details, 898 00:37:55,133 --> 00:37:58,800 I think there's enough there to continue pushing forward 899 00:37:58,934 --> 00:38:01,400 to identify the different letters in that memo. 900 00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:04,133 Fishburne: They have come closer than anyone ever has 901 00:38:04,266 --> 00:38:07,200 to reading the words in the infamous Ramey memo, 902 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,800 but if it does say "victims in the wreck," 903 00:38:09,934 --> 00:38:13,300 Ben Smith will have to find another way to prove it. 904 00:38:13,433 --> 00:38:14,667 Coming up... 905 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,000 - Think motive too. 906 00:38:16,133 --> 00:38:18,467 Who would give that to him? 907 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,233 Fishburne: Does the journal contain the story 908 00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:22,333 the government was trying to hide? 909 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:23,734 - To a cryptographer, 910 00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:25,633 this indicates a certain kind of cipher. 911 00:38:25,767 --> 00:38:28,066 - It does? - Yes. 912 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,300 ♪ ♪ 913 00:38:35,834 --> 00:38:38,667 [dramatic music] 914 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,600 ♪ ♪ 915 00:38:40,734 --> 00:38:43,533 [tense music] 916 00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:45,533 ♪ ♪ 917 00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:49,033 Fishburne: Ben Smith believes Jesse Marcel knew far more 918 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,934 than he ever admitted in public. 919 00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:53,467 - I was familiar with all materials used in aircraft. 920 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,166 This was nothing like that. 921 00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:56,834 Fishburne: As an intelligence officer, 922 00:38:56,967 --> 00:38:58,700 Marcel knew that he was duty-bound 923 00:38:58,834 --> 00:39:00,567 to keep classified secrets for life. 924 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:01,600 ♪ ♪ 925 00:39:01,734 --> 00:39:03,400 - It's curious. 926 00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:06,066 Jesse said the wreckage he found was extraterrestrial, 927 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,333 but if he thought it was an alien spacecraft, 928 00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:10,667 why didn't he mention its crew? 929 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,166 Fishburne: Does the journal 930 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,066 Marcel kept close his whole life 931 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,266 contain the rest of the story, 932 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,600 including details of a cover-up? 933 00:39:19,734 --> 00:39:22,433 What Smith knows so far is that Marcel 934 00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:24,767 didn't write it himself and it is a jumble 935 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,433 of disconnected phrases that might be code. 936 00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:30,266 - "When down in the mouth, remember Jonah. 937 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,066 He came out all right." 938 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,700 If this journal is related to the events of Roswell 939 00:39:35,834 --> 00:39:38,567 and you're writing it to conceal your thoughts, 940 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:42,567 it's an interesting quote to start off your code. 941 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:45,500 ♪ ♪ 942 00:39:45,633 --> 00:39:47,333 - How did it go out there? 943 00:39:47,467 --> 00:39:49,400 - It's been interesting. 944 00:39:49,533 --> 00:39:50,867 Fishburne: To discuss how to push 945 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,533 the journal investigation forward, 946 00:39:52,667 --> 00:39:55,333 Ben Smith is meeting with Joe Pappalardo, 947 00:39:55,467 --> 00:39:58,233 an aviation expert and author of "Spaceport Earth: 948 00:39:58,367 --> 00:40:01,000 The Reinvention of Space Flight." 949 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:05,066 Pappalardo is well-versed in the Roswell story. 950 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,333 - I went to a former Secret Service authenticator. 951 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:11,400 - Uh-huh. - She cut her teeth 952 00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:15,066 tracking threats from crazy people 953 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,567 and nefarious people. 954 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:18,200 - To link the letter to the person writing it 955 00:40:18,333 --> 00:40:20,000 to build a criminal case or... 956 00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:21,066 - Yeah, basically. 957 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,233 - That had to hold up in court, 958 00:40:22,367 --> 00:40:23,266 so she's the real deal. 959 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,233 - Yeah. 960 00:40:25,367 --> 00:40:27,367 - The first question we started out with was, 961 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,367 "Is this an authentic document?" 962 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,266 The paper itself dates to prior to 1950. 963 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,767 - Okay. 964 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,266 - So she actually looked at the ink, 965 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,567 which suggests that it was written before there were 966 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:43,166 ballpoint pens, so again, before 1950. 967 00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,900 Another feature she identified was this watermark. 968 00:40:47,033 --> 00:40:50,100 This watermark belongs to a paper mill 969 00:40:50,233 --> 00:40:53,367 located in Juniata, Pennsylvania, Juniata County, 970 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,033 which is actually next to Harrisburg, 971 00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:58,033 where Jesse went to intelligence school. 972 00:40:58,166 --> 00:41:01,133 Now, I don't know yet whether that's just a coincidence, 973 00:41:01,266 --> 00:41:02,800 but it's pretty exciting 974 00:41:02,934 --> 00:41:04,800 that at least the journal itself 975 00:41:04,934 --> 00:41:07,633 and the ink and the paper are all legitimate. 976 00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:09,100 - No matter what else this says-- 977 00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:11,133 this journal could say anything or nothing, 978 00:41:11,266 --> 00:41:13,133 but at this point, it has told you something important, 979 00:41:13,266 --> 00:41:15,667 which is the Marcel family is acting in good faith. 980 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,734 If you had found that the paper and the ink 981 00:41:17,867 --> 00:41:19,500 didn't match chronologically, 982 00:41:19,633 --> 00:41:21,600 you'd have to doubt every other part of this story, 983 00:41:21,734 --> 00:41:23,500 so this is the foundation by which the rest 984 00:41:23,633 --> 00:41:26,967 of the investigation into this piece of evidence is grounded. 985 00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,066 - Yeah. 986 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,133 Now, the sample size of Jesse's handwriting 987 00:41:31,266 --> 00:41:34,633 is actually pretty small, but she felt fairly confident 988 00:41:34,767 --> 00:41:36,400 that the handwriting in this journal 989 00:41:36,533 --> 00:41:38,233 did not match Jesse Marcel's. 990 00:41:38,367 --> 00:41:41,767 - Hmm. That's even more intriguing. 991 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,300 If it's not his, why did he keep it? 992 00:41:43,433 --> 00:41:45,600 ♪ ♪ 993 00:41:45,734 --> 00:41:49,467 Fishburne: Jesse Marcel stayed silent for more than 30 years, 994 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,000 working as an ordinary TV repairman 995 00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:56,567 in his hometown of Houma, Louisiana. 996 00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:00,867 - We left Roswell perhaps around 3:30 or 4:00 997 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,033 in the afternoon. 998 00:42:02,166 --> 00:42:03,500 It is very difficult. 999 00:42:03,633 --> 00:42:06,200 In fact, with just verbal directions, 1000 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:07,900 we never would have found it. 1001 00:42:08,033 --> 00:42:10,233 Fishburne: In 1980, he returned to Roswell 1002 00:42:10,367 --> 00:42:13,233 and gave that bombshell TV interview 1003 00:42:13,367 --> 00:42:15,033 in which he claimed before the world 1004 00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:16,800 that he'd been forced to lie 1005 00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:19,200 about what he'd found in the debris field. 1006 00:42:19,333 --> 00:42:20,900 - I had never seen anything like that before. 1007 00:42:21,033 --> 00:42:23,567 As of right--as of now, I don't know what it was. 1008 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:25,500 Fishburne: After Marcel went public, 1009 00:42:25,633 --> 00:42:28,633 several retired officers from the 509th 1010 00:42:28,767 --> 00:42:31,200 spoke up to support his story of a cover-up 1011 00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,900 and added the extraordinary claim 1012 00:42:34,033 --> 00:42:36,400 that the Army had recovered a spaceship 1013 00:42:36,533 --> 00:42:38,734 and the bodies of aliens. 1014 00:42:38,867 --> 00:42:41,533 Some of that testimony was recorded by ufologist 1015 00:42:41,667 --> 00:42:46,633 in a 1991 document called "Recollections of Roswell." 1016 00:42:46,767 --> 00:42:48,400 - I had learned first 1017 00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:52,166 that the sergeant of the guard with a series of airmen 1018 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,200 went out, and they surrounded the site. 1019 00:42:54,333 --> 00:42:56,867 Fishburne: Robert Shirkey was assistant operations officer 1020 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,900 for the 509th bomber group. 1021 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:01,767 - Then they swept the area and picked up 1022 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:03,233 everything they could. 1023 00:43:03,367 --> 00:43:05,367 The bodies were brought in, 1024 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:08,934 and everything was laid out in hangar 84. 1025 00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:11,033 ♪ ♪ 1026 00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:13,567 Fishburne: Hangar 84 has figured prominently 1027 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:15,100 in the stories of alleged eyewitnesses 1028 00:43:15,233 --> 00:43:16,800 who say it's where the secrets 1029 00:43:16,934 --> 00:43:19,633 of this extraterrestrial crash were hidden. 1030 00:43:19,767 --> 00:43:24,633 - I received a telephone call from the mortuary officer 1031 00:43:24,767 --> 00:43:27,100 out at the Army Airfield Base. 1032 00:43:27,233 --> 00:43:28,867 ♪ ♪ 1033 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,266 Fishburne: Glenn Dennis was the mortician 1034 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,066 at the Ballard Funeral Home, 1035 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,066 which provided services for the Roswell Army base. 1036 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,066 - He was inquiring about, what would be 1037 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,300 the smallest possible casket 1038 00:43:41,433 --> 00:43:44,867 that we could get that would be hermetically sealed? 1039 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,633 ♪ ♪ 1040 00:43:46,767 --> 00:43:48,300 Fishburne: Dennis says he assumed 1041 00:43:48,433 --> 00:43:49,867 there'd been some kind of deadly accident 1042 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,533 involving children, 1043 00:43:52,667 --> 00:43:56,033 so he delivered three small coffins to the air base. 1044 00:43:56,166 --> 00:43:58,533 - And I had this friend, this lieutenant nurse 1045 00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:01,100 that I knew quite well. 1046 00:44:01,233 --> 00:44:02,967 She said, "How did you get in here? 1047 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,667 What are you doing in here?" 1048 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,600 And she said, "You're gonna get in a lot of trouble." 1049 00:44:06,734 --> 00:44:08,000 She said, "Would you please leave? 1050 00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:10,033 And get out of here in a hurry." 1051 00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:12,667 By the time I had turned around, 1052 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,033 there was another officer said, 1053 00:44:14,166 --> 00:44:16,967 "Hey, wait a minute," and I said, 1054 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,100 "Looks like you had a crash. 1055 00:44:19,233 --> 00:44:21,967 Where was the crash?" 1056 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,467 And he said, "You get the hell out of here, 1057 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,867 and you didn't see anything, and you don't talk to anybody." 1058 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,800 Fishburne: Like Marcel, Walter Haut, 1059 00:44:29,934 --> 00:44:31,867 also with the 509th, 1060 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,467 felt intimidated to stay silent. 1061 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,533 - This is censorship, pure and simple. 1062 00:44:37,667 --> 00:44:38,700 ♪ ♪ 1063 00:44:38,834 --> 00:44:40,333 I don't like it. 1064 00:44:40,467 --> 00:44:41,967 Fishburne: For many years, Walter Haut, 1065 00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,166 the 509th's public information officer, 1066 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,367 claimed he simply did as he was told 1067 00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:50,633 and issued that famous press release, but later, 1068 00:44:50,767 --> 00:44:54,600 Haut told ufologists that what Marcel said was true 1069 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:56,867 and only a fraction of the story. 1070 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,200 He had personally seen the alien bodies 1071 00:44:59,333 --> 00:45:01,100 inside Hangar 84. 1072 00:45:01,233 --> 00:45:08,266 ♪ ♪ 1073 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,500 - Some type of craft from outer space. 1074 00:45:11,633 --> 00:45:13,433 From where, I do not know. 1075 00:45:13,567 --> 00:45:20,500 ♪ ♪ 1076 00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:27,200 Fishburne: Before he died, 1077 00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:29,033 a pilot named Oliver "Pappy" Henderson, 1078 00:45:29,166 --> 00:45:31,333 who was stationed at Roswell Army Air Base, 1079 00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:33,433 in July 1947, 1080 00:45:33,567 --> 00:45:36,066 made a shocking claim to his wife and daughter. 1081 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,066 [foreboding music] 1082 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:46,033 ♪ ♪ 1083 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,934 Fishburne: According to their testimony, 1084 00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:55,767 Henderson told them that he was the one 1085 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:57,266 who flew the small coffins 1086 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,934 from Roswell to Wright-Patterson, 1087 00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:02,667 even glimpsing the alien bodies inside. 1088 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,700 ♪ ♪ 1089 00:46:21,867 --> 00:46:23,900 Fishburne: Could these stories be validated in the journal 1090 00:46:24,033 --> 00:46:27,133 that belonged to Jesse Marcel? 1091 00:46:27,266 --> 00:46:30,433 There is no way of knowing until it is deciphered. 1092 00:46:30,567 --> 00:46:34,066 - One question that I'm considering was, 1093 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,266 was this handed to him for safekeeping? 1094 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,667 I'm hoping that I can get more handwriting samples 1095 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,567 of other people in the 509th group 1096 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,834 to see if this might have been passed to him 1097 00:46:44,967 --> 00:46:48,333 by somebody else within the bomber group. 1098 00:46:48,467 --> 00:46:49,900 It's written by the same person, 1099 00:46:50,033 --> 00:46:51,767 and for me, that raises another question: 1100 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,734 why the marked shift? 1101 00:46:53,867 --> 00:46:57,300 There could be stress involved, but could stress also mean 1102 00:46:57,433 --> 00:46:59,000 there could be a distress signal? 1103 00:46:59,133 --> 00:47:00,500 I don't know if you remember Vietnam vets 1104 00:47:00,633 --> 00:47:03,200 blinking into the camera with Morse code 1105 00:47:03,333 --> 00:47:05,033 to relay a message while they're talking. 1106 00:47:05,166 --> 00:47:06,967 The order of these quotes is nonsensical. 1107 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,834 It's not clear why they held meaning for the writer. 1108 00:47:09,967 --> 00:47:11,367 Maybe there's no meaning at all, 1109 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:13,233 but it was just a mnemonic device, 1110 00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:17,400 a particular quote recalls a memory or a detail. 1111 00:47:17,533 --> 00:47:21,300 - Think motive too. Who would give that to him? 1112 00:47:21,433 --> 00:47:23,166 You can understand that if you're a tight-knit group, 1113 00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:24,667 and you're in the middle of nowhere, 1114 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,066 and you work in an air wing with nukes, 1115 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,834 it's a pressure cooker. 1116 00:47:27,967 --> 00:47:30,533 They know that they could trust each other with secrets. 1117 00:47:30,667 --> 00:47:32,066 Someone might choose him 1118 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,233 because he was the fall guy for the incident, 1119 00:47:35,367 --> 00:47:38,700 so if you're gonna give your encoded journal 1120 00:47:38,834 --> 00:47:40,867 or what have you to one figure from the whole 1121 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,667 Roswell thing, you would likely trust him to do it. 1122 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,867 - Right. 1123 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,233 ♪ ♪ 1124 00:47:46,367 --> 00:47:48,000 Fishburne: Coming up... 1125 00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:49,867 - That's kind of strange 1126 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,734 and could indicate something hidden here. 1127 00:47:51,867 --> 00:47:53,633 Fishburne: Can one of America's top code breakers 1128 00:47:53,767 --> 00:47:56,734 unlock the secrets of this mystifying journal? 1129 00:47:56,867 --> 00:47:58,967 - So wait a minute. You're telling me the 777 1130 00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:01,800 means the angels are providing abundance, 1131 00:48:01,934 --> 00:48:03,533 and then immediately in the next paragraph, 1132 00:48:03,667 --> 00:48:04,900 we have a total shift 1133 00:48:05,033 --> 00:48:07,100 and something that could be coded. 1134 00:48:07,233 --> 00:48:11,200 ♪ ♪ 1135 00:48:14,834 --> 00:48:17,700 [dramatic music] 1136 00:48:17,834 --> 00:48:19,867 ♪ ♪ 1137 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,133 Fishburne: To further investigate 1138 00:48:21,266 --> 00:48:23,200 Marcel's baffling journal, 1139 00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:25,467 former CIA investigator Ben Smith is meeting 1140 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,533 with one of the nation's top cryptologists, Craig Bauer, 1141 00:48:29,667 --> 00:48:33,266 professor of mathematics at York University. 1142 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,800 - Craig. - Oh, hi. 1143 00:48:34,934 --> 00:48:36,100 You must be Ben. - That's right. 1144 00:48:36,233 --> 00:48:37,800 - Good to meet you. - You too. 1145 00:48:37,934 --> 00:48:40,600 I brought by the document that we discussed on the phone. 1146 00:48:40,734 --> 00:48:43,133 - Mm-hmm. - Um... 1147 00:48:43,266 --> 00:48:44,834 I can't remember how much I told you, 1148 00:48:44,967 --> 00:48:49,633 but I have with me a journal that belonged to a man 1149 00:48:49,767 --> 00:48:52,266 by the name of Major Jesse Marcel Sr. 1150 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,967 He was an Army intelligence officer 1151 00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:58,367 and was at the center of the Roswell incident in 1947, 1152 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,700 the alleged UFO crash out in the desert of New Mexico. 1153 00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:03,667 The family, after his death, 1154 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,734 finds this journal hidden with his military records, 1155 00:49:07,867 --> 00:49:09,767 but it's not in his handwriting. 1156 00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:11,767 Now, I've flipped through this a little bit. 1157 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,867 There are a lot of quotes, a lot of musings. 1158 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,433 It's not addressed to anybody. 1159 00:49:17,567 --> 00:49:19,700 There aren't any names that I can pick out. 1160 00:49:19,834 --> 00:49:21,734 - It doesn't appear to be autobiographical? 1161 00:49:21,867 --> 00:49:23,066 - No. - Okay. 1162 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,867 - From what I can tell. - Yeah. 1163 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,600 - With my background in intelligence, 1164 00:49:27,734 --> 00:49:31,433 I'm curious if this is perhaps encoded, 1165 00:49:31,567 --> 00:49:36,266 if whoever owned this journal had sensitive information 1166 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,400 they wanted to pass on without actually revealing it, 1167 00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:40,533 but I need your help. 1168 00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,200 I can't make sense of it. 1169 00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:44,266 You know, I'll let you look through it. 1170 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,433 - Okay. 1171 00:49:45,567 --> 00:49:46,834 There are a lot of ways 1172 00:49:46,967 --> 00:49:50,166 that you can hide a message in a journal. 1173 00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:53,000 I'm a mathematician focused on cryptology, 1174 00:49:53,133 --> 00:49:55,233 making and breaking codes and ciphers. 1175 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:56,767 Ciphers are the coolest, 1176 00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:58,867 sexiest form of writing that there can be. 1177 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,367 If you're reading somebody's diary, 1178 00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,100 you're flipping through page after page 1179 00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:04,033 and all of a sudden you see something in a cipher, 1180 00:50:04,166 --> 00:50:06,200 you know that's the best part of the whole diary, right? 1181 00:50:06,333 --> 00:50:08,433 This is--this is what you want to get at. 1182 00:50:08,567 --> 00:50:11,066 We don't use ciphers for our laundry list, 1183 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,767 for our grocery list, right? 1184 00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:14,533 We use ciphers to protect things 1185 00:50:14,667 --> 00:50:16,600 that are extremely important or sensitive, 1186 00:50:16,734 --> 00:50:18,400 so that's the stuff we most want to read 1187 00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,333 when we're trying to unravel history. 1188 00:50:20,467 --> 00:50:22,333 ♪ ♪ 1189 00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:24,200 Yeah, the text is a little odd. 1190 00:50:24,333 --> 00:50:26,667 We have uppercase letters in the middle of a word. 1191 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,867 - Mm-hmm. - This is, you know, 1192 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,233 obviously a unique item. - Mm-hmm. 1193 00:50:30,367 --> 00:50:32,233 - I mean, do you have it in a digital form that, 1194 00:50:32,367 --> 00:50:34,000 you know, we could really... - I do, yeah. 1195 00:50:34,133 --> 00:50:35,667 - Let me see the digital copy. 1196 00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:39,166 I love when I have a cipher to myself, 1197 00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,266 when I'm the first to have eyes on something 1198 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,600 and get a stab at deciphering it, 1199 00:50:43,734 --> 00:50:44,700 so it's very exciting to be able 1200 00:50:44,834 --> 00:50:46,266 to look at the this journal 1201 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,066 because I'm the first person with the skills 1202 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,233 to ferret out what might be hidden there. 1203 00:50:50,367 --> 00:50:53,567 ♪ ♪ 1204 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:57,000 - We have 122 pages of cursive writing, 1205 00:50:57,133 --> 00:51:00,500 and then on page 123... 1206 00:51:00,633 --> 00:51:01,800 - 1-2-3. - After Roswell, 1207 00:51:01,934 --> 00:51:04,467 August 31, 1947, 1208 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,834 it shifts to this block letter format. 1209 00:51:08,967 --> 00:51:12,100 Now, the military has had the debris now for six weeks. 1210 00:51:12,233 --> 00:51:14,233 What have they learned in that time? 1211 00:51:14,367 --> 00:51:16,300 And guys like Jesse Marcel 1212 00:51:16,433 --> 00:51:18,633 were told to be quiet about what they found. 1213 00:51:18,767 --> 00:51:21,100 So this shift, to me, looks like 1214 00:51:21,233 --> 00:51:23,667 it could be the start of something interesting. 1215 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,667 - Yeah, I see a number of things 1216 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,266 we could look at here. 1217 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,333 I think this might be intended to be an M, 1218 00:51:28,467 --> 00:51:30,400 but it kind of looks like 777. 1219 00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:33,166 - Yeah, the document expert pointed that out to me 1220 00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,300 that that was a typical way he wrote Ms, 1221 00:51:35,433 --> 00:51:37,000 but it's more separated here. 1222 00:51:37,133 --> 00:51:38,433 - I mean, if it is an M, 1223 00:51:38,567 --> 00:51:40,934 we have some dashes after that. 1224 00:51:41,066 --> 00:51:43,734 Is that the number of letters? 1225 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:46,433 Fishburne: Craig Bauer agrees that the capital Ms 1226 00:51:46,567 --> 00:51:48,500 may be the telltale sign 1227 00:51:48,633 --> 00:51:51,834 that a code is embedded in the journal. 1228 00:51:51,967 --> 00:51:53,800 - The writing that's intriguing in the journal, 1229 00:51:53,934 --> 00:51:55,467 the kind of writing that seems like it 1230 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,100 could be hiding a secret message, 1231 00:51:58,233 --> 00:52:01,567 follows after whatever happened near Roswell happened 1232 00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,033 in the summer of 1947, 1233 00:52:04,166 --> 00:52:06,367 so the timing is kind of interesting. 1234 00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:07,967 I'm sure you know 666. 1235 00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,667 - Yeah, I'm familiar. The--the devil, right? 1236 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,533 - The number of the beast. - The beast, yeah. 1237 00:52:12,667 --> 00:52:14,533 - But also, in some systems of belief, 1238 00:52:14,667 --> 00:52:19,166 777 is a special number, the perfect being. 1239 00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:21,734 Some people equate that with Jesus. 1240 00:52:21,867 --> 00:52:23,700 - Interesting. - So maybe it's just an M, 1241 00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,533 but that's something. 1242 00:52:25,667 --> 00:52:29,133 - Says here that 777 is the number of abundance 1243 00:52:29,266 --> 00:52:31,367 and that when angels start sending you this message, 1244 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,533 it means that the abundance you have been waiting for 1245 00:52:33,667 --> 00:52:35,066 is just there waiting to be unlocked. 1246 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,166 [dramatic music] 1247 00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:39,500 - There is something interesting 1248 00:52:39,633 --> 00:52:42,033 right in that first line. 1249 00:52:42,166 --> 00:52:44,533 We have "when" with a lowercase N. 1250 00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:46,233 - Mm-hmm. 1251 00:52:46,367 --> 00:52:47,467 - But then the next word, "down," 1252 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,800 ends with an uppercase N. 1253 00:52:48,934 --> 00:52:50,333 - Ah. 1254 00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:51,900 - And then "in" with a lowercase N again. 1255 00:52:52,033 --> 00:52:53,300 - Okay. 1256 00:52:53,433 --> 00:52:54,333 - Why would he suddenly capitalize 1257 00:52:54,467 --> 00:52:56,200 the last letter in a word? 1258 00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:58,734 That's kind of strange and could indicate 1259 00:52:58,867 --> 00:53:00,300 something hidden here. 1260 00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:02,233 - So wait a minute, you're telling me that 777 1261 00:53:02,367 --> 00:53:04,934 means angels are providing abundance, 1262 00:53:05,066 --> 00:53:06,867 and then immediately in the next paragraph, 1263 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,133 we have a total shift. 1264 00:53:08,266 --> 00:53:09,433 It's something that could be coded. 1265 00:53:09,567 --> 00:53:11,900 ♪ ♪ 1266 00:53:12,033 --> 00:53:15,700 That is almost too crazy to believe. 1267 00:53:15,834 --> 00:53:19,700 Fishburne: Coming up, first Roswell was a flying saucer. 1268 00:53:19,834 --> 00:53:23,467 Then they said a weather balloon, and now this. 1269 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,467 - In 1947, it was the misidentification 1270 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,066 of these radar reflectors 1271 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,233 that is most likely the famous flying disc. 1272 00:53:31,367 --> 00:53:33,934 Fishburne: Why do some people find it hard to believe them? 1273 00:53:34,066 --> 00:53:38,200 ♪ ♪ 1274 00:53:41,834 --> 00:53:44,700 [dramatic music] 1275 00:53:44,834 --> 00:53:46,433 ♪ ♪ 1276 00:53:46,567 --> 00:53:49,100 [tense music] 1277 00:53:49,233 --> 00:53:50,600 - Well, let me go ahead and look at a couple 1278 00:53:50,734 --> 00:53:53,667 more pages, see what else we have here. 1279 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,867 ♪ ♪ 1280 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,600 Fishburne: Ben Smith is certain he's brought 1281 00:53:57,734 --> 00:53:59,033 the journal that belonged to Jesse Marcel 1282 00:53:59,166 --> 00:54:00,734 to the right place. 1283 00:54:00,867 --> 00:54:04,400 - Okay, here we're one page further along. 1284 00:54:04,533 --> 00:54:06,233 Fishburne: Top codebreaker Craig Bauer 1285 00:54:06,367 --> 00:54:08,700 is starting to see patterns in the lettering, 1286 00:54:08,834 --> 00:54:12,767 a clear signal that a message may be hidden in code. 1287 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,100 - Here, again, you can see some different forms. 1288 00:54:15,233 --> 00:54:19,867 In the second line, "in" doesn't have a dot on the I. 1289 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,700 In the next line, it looks like a foreign word, 1290 00:54:22,834 --> 00:54:24,700 perhaps--does have the dot. 1291 00:54:24,834 --> 00:54:26,433 I mean, you can sometimes forget to dot an I, 1292 00:54:26,567 --> 00:54:28,867 but if we're seeing two versions of many letters, 1293 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,600 there could be more to it than just forgetfulness. 1294 00:54:31,734 --> 00:54:32,934 There could be a method to the madness. 1295 00:54:33,066 --> 00:54:34,600 - Yeah. 1296 00:54:34,734 --> 00:54:36,100 - It's not like we just have a small passage. 1297 00:54:36,233 --> 00:54:37,533 It continues over several pages, 1298 00:54:37,667 --> 00:54:39,700 so there's a potential for, you know, 1299 00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:41,567 a little greater depth of information 1300 00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:42,900 being conveyed here. 1301 00:54:43,033 --> 00:54:45,000 ♪ ♪ 1302 00:54:45,133 --> 00:54:46,333 This is jumping out at me. 1303 00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:47,900 Again, we have the phenomena 1304 00:54:48,033 --> 00:54:50,033 where a word ends with an uppercase letter: 1305 00:54:50,166 --> 00:54:53,266 "short" with a capital T. 1306 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,433 I mean, he uses lowercase Ts elsewhere. 1307 00:54:55,567 --> 00:54:57,433 It's not like the whole thing is in uppercase, you know, 1308 00:54:57,567 --> 00:54:59,166 somebody shouting at you in an e-mail. 1309 00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:02,667 - Oh, right, so while the words themselves are innocuous, 1310 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,600 the actual cases of the letters 1311 00:55:04,734 --> 00:55:06,567 might indicate some kind of code. 1312 00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:10,400 - Yes, there's several ways to do that with a cipher. 1313 00:55:10,533 --> 00:55:12,433 It just doesn't seem natural. 1314 00:55:12,567 --> 00:55:15,467 That's one of the giveaways you're trying to hide something 1315 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,433 is the handwriting doesn't look natural 1316 00:55:17,567 --> 00:55:19,667 or the characters don't look right. 1317 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,734 It's just--anything that looks, like, a little hinky 1318 00:55:22,867 --> 00:55:27,266 and off from normal writing can indicate that the author 1319 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,567 is trying to do something else at the same time, 1320 00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:31,633 and so it's a sign 1321 00:55:31,767 --> 00:55:33,667 that this should bear closer examination. 1322 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,433 - Yeah. 1323 00:55:35,567 --> 00:55:37,233 Fishburne: After spending less than an hour 1324 00:55:37,367 --> 00:55:40,066 looking at the journal, Bauer sees telltale signs 1325 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,166 that a code might be embedded in the text. 1326 00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:45,000 To his trained eye, 1327 00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:47,567 having two forms of a single letter suggests 1328 00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:50,100 what is called a biliteral code 1329 00:55:50,233 --> 00:55:52,633 where the alternate form represents a different letter 1330 00:55:52,767 --> 00:55:56,300 altogether in what is known as the B alphabet. 1331 00:55:56,433 --> 00:55:57,934 ♪ ♪ 1332 00:55:58,066 --> 00:55:59,934 - We already identified two versions of I, 1333 00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:02,166 two versions of T, two versions of N. 1334 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:03,800 - Mm-hmm. - So we want to keep rolling 1335 00:56:03,934 --> 00:56:05,700 with that and build a little catalog 1336 00:56:05,834 --> 00:56:07,567 of what's going on on these few pages. 1337 00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,033 - Once you've separated the letters, then what? 1338 00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:12,500 - Well, we just investigate different schemes. 1339 00:56:12,633 --> 00:56:17,133 We had G like this and G like this. 1340 00:56:17,266 --> 00:56:19,000 - Right. - So in some cases, 1341 00:56:19,133 --> 00:56:21,900 it was a lowercase versus an uppercase, 1342 00:56:22,033 --> 00:56:25,133 but which of these is A, and which of these is B? 1343 00:56:25,266 --> 00:56:26,667 It's unclear. - Right. 1344 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,700 - So we have a lot of possibilities to check. 1345 00:56:29,834 --> 00:56:32,367 Any given letter, we'd have two possibilities: 1346 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:34,633 that this form is A or that this form is B. 1347 00:56:34,767 --> 00:56:36,200 - Mm-hmm. - So two choices 1348 00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:39,867 for each letter, well, 26 letters. 1349 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,367 - Oh, wow. 1350 00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,633 - We'd have that many possibilities to consider. 1351 00:56:43,767 --> 00:56:45,367 - That grows pretty fast. 1352 00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:50,967 - That's 67,108,864. 1353 00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:55,834 - Over 67 million possibilities in that journal. 1354 00:56:55,967 --> 00:56:57,367 Wow. 1355 00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:59,233 - Well, fortunately, we're not looking at 1356 00:56:59,367 --> 00:57:02,367 the journal in 1947. 1357 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,533 Okay, with the computing power we have now, 1358 00:57:04,667 --> 00:57:06,367 we can test all of those 1359 00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:08,967 and figure out which one looks the most like English. 1360 00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,800 - Yeah. Do you have a program already that can do that? 1361 00:57:11,934 --> 00:57:13,233 - No. This is a custom job. 1362 00:57:13,367 --> 00:57:15,066 - Oh, really? - But exciting. 1363 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,867 - I expected it to be hard, 1364 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,266 but I didn't think it would take custom code to do it, 1365 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,700 but that's impressive. 1366 00:57:21,834 --> 00:57:23,100 That means I came to the right guys. 1367 00:57:23,233 --> 00:57:24,633 - Yeah, it should be fun. - Yeah. 1368 00:57:24,767 --> 00:57:26,133 - We'll be in touch. - Cool. Thanks, guys. 1369 00:57:26,266 --> 00:57:27,100 - Have a good trip back. 1370 00:57:27,233 --> 00:57:29,934 ♪ ♪ 1371 00:57:30,066 --> 00:57:31,600 Fishburne: If Craig Bauer can decipher it, 1372 00:57:31,734 --> 00:57:33,467 the journal could be the missing link, 1373 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,433 the key to unlocking what happened at Roswell. 1374 00:57:36,567 --> 00:57:42,533 ♪ ♪ 1375 00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:44,567 From the moment he broke his silence, 1376 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,066 millions of Americans have believed that Jesse Marcel 1377 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,700 was telling the truth. 1378 00:57:48,834 --> 00:57:52,133 ♪ ♪ 1379 00:57:52,266 --> 00:57:54,967 His story struck a chord in the 1970s 1380 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:57,200 when unrest over the Vietnam War 1381 00:57:57,333 --> 00:57:59,300 coupled with scandals like Watergate 1382 00:57:59,433 --> 00:58:02,200 made many distrustful of big government. 1383 00:58:02,333 --> 00:58:03,867 ♪ ♪ 1384 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,033 After Marcel, other members of the 509th 1385 00:58:07,166 --> 00:58:09,433 elaborated on what happened at Roswell. 1386 00:58:09,567 --> 00:58:11,433 - What do you think it was? 1387 00:58:11,567 --> 00:58:14,600 - Some type of craft from outer space. 1388 00:58:14,734 --> 00:58:16,500 From where, I do not know. 1389 00:58:16,633 --> 00:58:18,133 ♪ ♪ 1390 00:58:18,266 --> 00:58:19,867 Fishburne: By 1990, a Gallup poll 1391 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,700 reported that nearly 70 million Americans 1392 00:58:22,834 --> 00:58:28,100 believed alien spaceships had visited the Earth, 1393 00:58:28,233 --> 00:58:30,867 yet the government stayed silent about Roswell, 1394 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,533 which it officially considered a non-event. 1395 00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:37,500 Decades after the crash and the press conference 1396 00:58:37,633 --> 00:58:39,633 that claimed it was a weather balloon, 1397 00:58:39,767 --> 00:58:42,700 people still asked questions. 1398 00:58:42,834 --> 00:58:44,100 ♪ ♪ 1399 00:58:44,233 --> 00:58:47,700 - The issue is providing to the public 1400 00:58:47,834 --> 00:58:50,433 whatever records may still exist, if any. 1401 00:58:50,567 --> 00:58:51,967 There may not be any, 1402 00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:53,667 but if any on the Roswell incident, 1403 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,834 so people can make their own determination. 1404 00:58:56,967 --> 00:58:58,834 That is the mission 1405 00:58:58,967 --> 00:59:01,767 that I discussed with the general accounting office. 1406 00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,934 Fishburne: Then in 1993, 1407 00:59:04,066 --> 00:59:06,567 Congressman Steven Schiff of New Mexico 1408 00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,600 began pressing hard for answers. 1409 00:59:09,734 --> 00:59:12,734 Following his request, the U.S. Air Force 1410 00:59:12,867 --> 00:59:16,000 undertook a fresh investigation of Roswell. 1411 00:59:16,133 --> 00:59:20,166 It examined the records of half a dozen agencies 1412 00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,667 and even interviewed those still alive 1413 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,900 who claimed they'd been witnesses. 1414 00:59:25,033 --> 00:59:28,100 ♪ ♪ 1415 00:59:28,233 --> 00:59:30,934 The result was a nearly 1,000 page report 1416 00:59:31,066 --> 00:59:33,834 made public in 1995. 1417 00:59:33,967 --> 00:59:36,767 Colonel Richard Weaver supervised the investigation 1418 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:39,433 and was one of the report's authors. 1419 00:59:39,567 --> 00:59:42,500 - We just didn't go to a giant master file that said "Roswell" 1420 00:59:42,633 --> 00:59:44,166 and open up a file folder. 1421 00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:48,567 We started to methodically look at all the things 1422 00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,600 that were taking place in the Air Force in 1947 1423 00:59:51,734 --> 00:59:54,934 at Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico, 1424 00:59:55,066 --> 00:59:59,333 and so we searched a multitude of records 1425 00:59:59,467 --> 01:00:01,100 in a multitude of locations because, of course, 1426 01:00:01,233 --> 01:00:02,734 the base has been closed for a long time. 1427 01:00:02,867 --> 01:00:04,834 ♪ ♪ 1428 01:00:04,967 --> 01:00:06,900 Fishburne: The report does not dispute that something crashed 1429 01:00:07,033 --> 01:00:09,033 in the ranch lands west of Roswell, 1430 01:00:09,166 --> 01:00:10,734 but in a stunning twist, 1431 01:00:10,867 --> 01:00:13,100 it reveals that it was not a weather balloon. 1432 01:00:13,233 --> 01:00:17,333 ♪ ♪ 1433 01:00:17,467 --> 01:00:18,900 - If you will read this book, and I'm sure you're gonna 1434 01:00:19,033 --> 01:00:20,400 take it home tonight and read it, 1435 01:00:20,533 --> 01:00:21,834 quite frankly, 1436 01:00:21,967 --> 01:00:23,867 you're gonna find some very interesting 1437 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,266 and quite fascinating pieces of information 1438 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,767 about Air Force research. 1439 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:29,767 ♪ ♪ 1440 01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:31,734 Fishburne: The Air Force claimed that what crashed 1441 01:00:31,867 --> 01:00:35,533 was almost certainly a type of balloon called a Mogul. 1442 01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,433 - I don't know what they saw in '47, 1443 01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:40,700 but I'm quite sure it probably was Project Mogul. 1444 01:00:40,834 --> 01:00:44,834 Fishburne: In 1947, the United States launched 1445 01:00:44,967 --> 01:00:48,367 32 Mogul balloons over the course of 7 months. 1446 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:50,333 They were part of a top-secret project 1447 01:00:50,467 --> 01:00:53,266 in the growing Cold War with the Soviet Union. 1448 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:59,734 ♪ ♪ 1449 01:00:59,867 --> 01:01:01,934 Each Mogul balloon was essentially 1450 01:01:02,066 --> 01:01:03,467 a listening device 1451 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,600 equipped to detect the sound waves 1452 01:01:05,734 --> 01:01:09,600 that would be produced by a Soviet atomic bomb test. 1453 01:01:09,734 --> 01:01:12,500 The U.S. was the only nuclear power in the world, 1454 01:01:12,633 --> 01:01:14,266 and keeping track of the Soviets 1455 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,834 was the highest priority. 1456 01:01:16,967 --> 01:01:18,734 The Mogul balloons were launched 1457 01:01:18,867 --> 01:01:20,567 from the Alamogordo Air Base, 1458 01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:23,467 just 70 miles from Roswell. 1459 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,500 - In 1947, it was 1460 01:01:25,633 --> 01:01:27,900 the misidentification of these radar reflectors 1461 01:01:28,033 --> 01:01:32,600 that is most likely the famous flying disc. 1462 01:01:32,734 --> 01:01:35,800 Whether you accept that as the Roswell information, 1463 01:01:35,934 --> 01:01:38,066 I quite frankly don't know, but we do 1464 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,734 because it overlays so well with this period of time. 1465 01:01:41,867 --> 01:01:44,500 Fishburne: For many, the explanation seemed plausible, 1466 01:01:44,633 --> 01:01:47,667 but for others, it was deeply unsatisfying, 1467 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,166 but the Air Force investigation 1468 01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,000 has been criticized 1469 01:01:51,133 --> 01:01:53,633 for not having full access to U.S. Army records, 1470 01:01:53,767 --> 01:01:55,433 which in 1974, 1471 01:01:55,567 --> 01:01:57,900 still oversaw the nation's growing air forces. 1472 01:01:58,033 --> 01:02:01,367 For Don Schmitt and others, it didn't wash. 1473 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,066 - They were quickly trying to put together 1474 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,200 their third explanation. 1475 01:02:06,333 --> 01:02:11,300 "Ladies and gentlemen, we lied about Roswell in 1947. 1476 01:02:11,433 --> 01:02:13,500 "We lied about the balloon explanation, 1477 01:02:13,633 --> 01:02:16,200 but here's our new theory," 1478 01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:18,500 and they presented Project Mogul. 1479 01:02:18,633 --> 01:02:21,066 - So why do you think people in Roswell 1480 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,900 still are not convinced no matter what you say? 1481 01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:27,200 - I'm sorry, but I just can't answer that question for them. 1482 01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:29,200 ♪ ♪ 1483 01:02:29,333 --> 01:02:31,900 Fishburne: To this day, the family of Jesse Marcel 1484 01:02:32,033 --> 01:02:35,667 is definitely not convinced it was a Mogul balloon. 1485 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,533 - In 1995, the government came out with a story 1486 01:02:39,667 --> 01:02:43,834 to explain what the crash at Roswell was. 1487 01:02:43,967 --> 01:02:45,834 Looking at that information, 1488 01:02:45,967 --> 01:02:48,066 based upon what my grandfather and my father told me, 1489 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,867 they just don't match up. 1490 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,700 ♪ ♪ 1491 01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:55,467 Fishburne: Coming up, this former FAA inspector 1492 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,967 has investigated hundreds of aviation crash sites. 1493 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:03,133 He doubts this one was what the government says it was. 1494 01:03:03,266 --> 01:03:05,734 - Not sure I buy that whole balloon drag theory. 1495 01:03:05,867 --> 01:03:07,767 - Really? - Something's wrong with it. 1496 01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:10,300 ♪ ♪ 1497 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:16,767 [dramatic music] 1498 01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:18,600 ♪ ♪ 1499 01:03:18,734 --> 01:03:21,500 [tense music] 1500 01:03:21,633 --> 01:03:26,633 ♪ ♪ 1501 01:03:26,767 --> 01:03:30,767 - So far, there has never been a researcher 1502 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,967 with your experience and credibility on the site 1503 01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:35,300 to examine the potential of a crash. 1504 01:03:35,433 --> 01:03:36,333 - Okay. 1505 01:03:36,467 --> 01:03:38,266 ♪ ♪ 1506 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,367 Fishburne: The argument over what crashed at Roswell 1507 01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,367 has always been missing physical evidence. 1508 01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:45,500 Ben Smith is returning to the debris field, 1509 01:03:45,633 --> 01:03:48,033 where in 1947, Jesse Marcel, 1510 01:03:48,166 --> 01:03:51,000 a 40-year-old Army intelligence officer, 1511 01:03:51,133 --> 01:03:52,600 was certain he'd picked up pieces of wreckage 1512 01:03:52,734 --> 01:03:54,100 that were extraterrestrial. 1513 01:03:54,233 --> 01:03:56,867 ♪ ♪ 1514 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,033 On this visit, Smith has brought with him 1515 01:03:59,166 --> 01:04:03,600 one of America's leading experts on aviation crashes. 1516 01:04:03,734 --> 01:04:06,567 - So a lot of my investigative work on accidents 1517 01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:09,567 is post-accident. 1518 01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,000 Fishburne: David Soucie is a former 1519 01:04:11,133 --> 01:04:13,333 FAA accident inspector 1520 01:04:13,467 --> 01:04:16,667 and the author of "Malaysia Airlines Flight 370," 1521 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,367 the commercial airliner 1522 01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:21,500 that mysteriously disappeared without a trace. 1523 01:04:21,633 --> 01:04:24,266 ♪ ♪ 1524 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,266 Smith hopes that Soucie's expert eye 1525 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,700 will find something that others have missed. 1526 01:04:29,834 --> 01:04:32,200 - My hope, originally, with the tech survey, 1527 01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:33,867 was that we could bring out all this equipment 1528 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,934 that didn't exist, and all this software 1529 01:04:36,066 --> 01:04:38,233 and find evidence of debris 1530 01:04:38,367 --> 01:04:41,500 or an impact zone or a large-scale cover-up, 1531 01:04:41,633 --> 01:04:44,367 and so far, we haven't been able to find anything. 1532 01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,166 What I'd love from you is your perspective 1533 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,367 on entry angles and speeds 1534 01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,400 and something that could explain 1535 01:04:52,533 --> 01:04:53,734 the witness accounts at the debris field. 1536 01:04:53,867 --> 01:04:56,100 - Okay. 1537 01:04:56,233 --> 01:04:58,767 Fishburne: Even 70 years after the Roswell crash, 1538 01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:00,567 David Soucie knows that some things 1539 01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:02,734 won't have changed much at the debris field, 1540 01:05:02,867 --> 01:05:05,333 like the topography or landscape features. 1541 01:05:05,467 --> 01:05:08,467 ♪ ♪ 1542 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,500 - What is intriguing to me about this 1543 01:05:10,633 --> 01:05:13,233 is the witness credibility aspect of it. 1544 01:05:13,367 --> 01:05:14,734 Even when I go on an accident site 1545 01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:17,266 just days after the accident, 1546 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,233 there's credibility issues there. 1547 01:05:19,367 --> 01:05:23,066 They train us as inspectors to vet those witness accounts 1548 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,967 because they really believe that they saw something happen 1549 01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:29,400 that we know for a fact didn't happen. 1550 01:05:29,533 --> 01:05:30,934 ♪ ♪ 1551 01:05:31,066 --> 01:05:33,500 As far as the physical evidence piece, 1552 01:05:33,633 --> 01:05:35,133 I'm hoping to find something that could say, 1553 01:05:35,266 --> 01:05:38,333 "Here's what is here," but at that very least, 1554 01:05:38,467 --> 01:05:40,633 we might be able to determine what is not there. 1555 01:05:40,767 --> 01:05:46,166 ♪ ♪ 1556 01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:48,333 - Doesn't look like much, but it's the birthplace 1557 01:05:48,467 --> 01:05:49,667 of ufology in the United States. 1558 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,834 - Yeah. 1559 01:05:50,967 --> 01:05:52,467 Fishburne: Just by measuring 1560 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,400 the patterns and velocity of the wind, 1561 01:05:54,533 --> 01:05:57,300 Soucie is confident he can gather enough data 1562 01:05:57,433 --> 01:05:59,233 to test the government's claim 1563 01:05:59,367 --> 01:06:01,800 that what crashed here was a Mogul balloon. 1564 01:06:01,934 --> 01:06:05,467 ♪ ♪ 1565 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,567 - Mogul was an attempt to acoustically detect 1566 01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:10,333 Soviet nuclear blast 1567 01:06:10,467 --> 01:06:12,367 and ballistic missile launches. 1568 01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,000 ♪ ♪ 1569 01:06:14,133 --> 01:06:15,667 Fishburne: A Mogul balloon was actually 1570 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,367 a series of weather balloons 1571 01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:20,734 linked together in a 650-foot-high chain, 1572 01:06:20,867 --> 01:06:23,700 100 feet taller than the Washington Monument. 1573 01:06:23,834 --> 01:06:25,500 ♪ ♪ 1574 01:06:25,633 --> 01:06:28,467 Each balloon chain carried a crude acoustic censor 1575 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,867 called a sonobuoy. 1576 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,834 - In 1947, it was the misidentification 1577 01:06:34,967 --> 01:06:36,400 of these radar reflectors 1578 01:06:36,533 --> 01:06:40,834 that is most likely the famous flying disk. 1579 01:06:40,967 --> 01:06:44,200 Fishburne: The 1995 Air Force report theorized 1580 01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:46,400 that Mogul balloon number four, 1581 01:06:46,533 --> 01:06:49,367 which had been launched on June 4, 1947, 1582 01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,400 was the one that crashed near Roswell. 1583 01:06:52,533 --> 01:06:55,567 - These flights were all meticulously logged, 1584 01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:57,133 when they were launched 1585 01:06:57,266 --> 01:06:58,834 and what the weather was and all these things, 1586 01:06:58,967 --> 01:07:01,266 and they tried to recover the material if they could, 1587 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,533 but the material in and of itself wasn't important. 1588 01:07:06,667 --> 01:07:07,934 The purpose was important. 1589 01:07:08,066 --> 01:07:09,700 ♪ ♪ 1590 01:07:09,834 --> 01:07:11,734 Fishburne: It was slightly more than 3 weeks 1591 01:07:11,867 --> 01:07:15,100 between the time Mogul balloon four was reported lost 1592 01:07:15,233 --> 01:07:17,433 and the Roswell wreckage was found. 1593 01:07:17,567 --> 01:07:20,133 ♪ ♪ 1594 01:07:20,266 --> 01:07:22,433 - So let me show you exactly what 1595 01:07:22,567 --> 01:07:24,533 the witnesses describe as a furrow. 1596 01:07:24,667 --> 01:07:27,133 - Furrow. - Or a gouge 1597 01:07:27,266 --> 01:07:30,133 beginning here heading in that direction, 1598 01:07:30,266 --> 01:07:34,367 cut across the landscape for 200 to 300 feet 1599 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:35,467 in this direction. 1600 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,867 - And how wide? 1601 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,300 - 10 feet. - 10 feet wide. 1602 01:07:40,433 --> 01:07:41,633 Interesting. 1603 01:07:41,767 --> 01:07:43,266 - And from this location, 1604 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,467 we also start the fan of the debris field. 1605 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,100 Jesse Marcel Sr. claimed that the debris looks scattered 1606 01:07:50,233 --> 01:07:53,867 as if something exploded from the sky. 1607 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,533 - There was so much of it. 1608 01:07:55,667 --> 01:07:58,467 It was scattered over such a vast area. 1609 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,200 Fishburne: Ufologist and author Kevin Randle 1610 01:08:01,333 --> 01:08:04,533 is an expert on the Roswell crash. 1611 01:08:04,667 --> 01:08:06,367 Randle is certain that Jesse Marcel 1612 01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:10,033 would have recognized the wreckage of a balloon. 1613 01:08:10,166 --> 01:08:12,867 - Jesse Marcel examined that debris. 1614 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,967 Had it been a weather balloon and a ray wind target, 1615 01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:16,367 he would have recognized it, 1616 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:17,767 and that would be the end of the story, 1617 01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:19,266 and you and I would not be here today. 1618 01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,834 - Weather balloons have been used 1619 01:08:20,967 --> 01:08:22,867 to take soundingss of the atmosphere. 1620 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,100 They're launched around the world twice a day, 1621 01:08:25,233 --> 01:08:27,266 and that's been the case 1622 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,100 from before 1947 right up to now. 1623 01:08:30,233 --> 01:08:32,667 Eventually they do pop and come down to Earth 1624 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,867 and are retrieved. 1625 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,834 ♪ ♪ 1626 01:08:36,967 --> 01:08:38,800 Fishburne: But Richard Weaver says 1627 01:08:38,934 --> 01:08:41,000 that only officers directly involved in project Mogul 1628 01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:42,700 would have known about it. 1629 01:08:42,834 --> 01:08:46,100 - They classified Mogul top secret, 1630 01:08:46,233 --> 01:08:48,867 which means only a few people have the need to know. 1631 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,333 ♪ ♪ 1632 01:08:51,467 --> 01:08:53,166 Fishburne: The project's lead engineer 1633 01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:55,934 was Professor Charles Moore of New York University. 1634 01:08:56,066 --> 01:08:57,667 He agreed with the government 1635 01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,200 that the eyewitnesses' descriptions of debris 1636 01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:02,233 matched one of his Mogul balloons. 1637 01:09:02,367 --> 01:09:04,734 - The rancher who picked up the debris 1638 01:09:04,867 --> 01:09:07,734 noted that it contained brass eyelets 1639 01:09:07,867 --> 01:09:09,934 at the corners of these radar targets. 1640 01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:12,000 They were also on the targets we flew. 1641 01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:14,166 Fishburne: Moore said that the instant news broke 1642 01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:16,533 that the Army had recovered a flying disc, 1643 01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:20,667 he knew it was his lost Mogul balloon number four. 1644 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,000 - When Moore and his Mogul team learned of the flap 1645 01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:24,934 over the Roswell incident, he said they laughed, 1646 01:09:25,066 --> 01:09:27,266 but they kept quiet about their project. 1647 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,600 ♪ ♪ 1648 01:09:30,734 --> 01:09:32,166 - So they're saying it went this direction, 1649 01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:33,433 which is almost east, right? 1650 01:09:33,567 --> 01:09:35,400 - Right. 1651 01:09:35,533 --> 01:09:38,667 - What I'd like to do is get documentation of the site. 1652 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,367 I'll take the angle of every photo... 1653 01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:44,066 [camera shutter clicks] 1654 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,767 And then we'll be able to map that against 1655 01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:49,867 what I expect the airflow would have been. 1656 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,834 Then what I like to do at every accident site 1657 01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:54,767 is get some pictures of what would be the approach path 1658 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:57,266 to the impact point. 1659 01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,433 So from every location, 1660 01:09:59,567 --> 01:10:02,567 we take pictures coming in and going out. 1661 01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:07,600 ♪ ♪ 1662 01:10:07,734 --> 01:10:11,700 Not sure I buy that whole balloon drag theory... 1663 01:10:11,834 --> 01:10:14,066 - Really? - Down through there. 1664 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,867 Fishburne: It's only his first visit to the debris field, 1665 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,400 but already, this seasoned former FAA crash inspector 1666 01:10:20,533 --> 01:10:22,266 has doubts that a Mogul balloon 1667 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:23,900 could have crashed here. 1668 01:10:24,033 --> 01:10:25,934 - Something's wrong with it, with that whole theory 1669 01:10:26,066 --> 01:10:27,734 of the fact that it drug and it strayed, 1670 01:10:27,867 --> 01:10:29,767 and there was debris straight off to the east. 1671 01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:31,567 Not really buying that. 1672 01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,667 To think of a balloon going this way, 1673 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,367 if it were a Mogul balloon 1674 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,934 that was settling as the balloon approaches the ground, 1675 01:10:40,066 --> 01:10:43,667 It picks up the ground flow, so it'd be highly irregular 1676 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,333 to see a "balloon accident" go across this valley 1677 01:10:47,467 --> 01:10:51,033 and continue in that direction the way it was described. 1678 01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:53,166 We got wind readings up there, wind readings on the west side 1679 01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:54,266 and then wind readings at the bottom... 1680 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,667 - Yeah. - And you can see 1681 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,066 that it changed direction throughout that. 1682 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,700 - So we can rule out a Mogul balloon 1683 01:10:59,834 --> 01:11:02,333 making contact with the Earth at the furrow, 1684 01:11:02,467 --> 01:11:03,834 dragging across the ground, 1685 01:11:03,967 --> 01:11:06,834 laying to rest across that debris field. 1686 01:11:06,967 --> 01:11:09,266 - It's not the way it works. Just not the way it works. 1687 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,300 - Ugh, I don't know if you've removed a piece of the puzzle 1688 01:11:12,433 --> 01:11:13,433 or added a new one. 1689 01:11:13,567 --> 01:11:14,900 I'm not sure at this point. 1690 01:11:15,033 --> 01:11:16,233 - "Just the facts, ma'am." 1691 01:11:16,367 --> 01:11:17,300 [both laughing] 1692 01:11:17,433 --> 01:11:24,233 ♪ ♪ 1693 01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:26,166 Fishburne: David Soucie will put his readings 1694 01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:27,834 into a computer program 1695 01:11:27,967 --> 01:11:30,300 designed to analyze crash sites. 1696 01:11:30,433 --> 01:11:31,900 If he determines a Mogul balloon 1697 01:11:32,033 --> 01:11:33,900 could not have gone down here, 1698 01:11:34,033 --> 01:11:36,900 the investigation will be one step closer to discovering 1699 01:11:37,033 --> 01:11:39,633 whether Jesse Marcel was telling the truth. 1700 01:11:39,767 --> 01:11:42,567 ♪ ♪ 1701 01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:46,500 Coming up, she can spot a liar in the smallest gesture. 1702 01:11:46,633 --> 01:11:48,400 - We're looking for things like fidgeting 1703 01:11:48,533 --> 01:11:51,166 or diverting attention. 1704 01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:53,000 Fishburne: So does this body language expert 1705 01:11:53,133 --> 01:11:56,300 think Jesse Marcel was telling the truth? 1706 01:11:56,433 --> 01:11:58,233 - We have two forms of every letter 1707 01:11:58,367 --> 01:11:59,800 that appears more than once. 1708 01:11:59,934 --> 01:12:01,567 Fishburne: A top cryptologist is sure 1709 01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:03,400 the journal is hiding a message. 1710 01:12:03,533 --> 01:12:04,633 - To a cryptographer, this indicates 1711 01:12:04,767 --> 01:12:06,300 a certain kind of cipher. 1712 01:12:06,433 --> 01:12:07,834 - It does? - Yes. 1713 01:12:07,967 --> 01:12:09,400 Fishburne: But will he crack the code? 1714 01:12:09,533 --> 01:12:13,266 ♪ ♪ 1715 01:12:16,967 --> 01:12:19,800 [dramatic music] 1716 01:12:19,934 --> 01:12:22,000 ♪ ♪ 1717 01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:28,300 Fishburne: Because so much of his investigation 1718 01:12:28,433 --> 01:12:30,800 hinges on Jesse Marcel's testimony, 1719 01:12:30,934 --> 01:12:32,967 Ben Smith has come to New York City 1720 01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:36,467 to see Tonya Reiman, an expert in body language 1721 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,133 and what are called microexpressions. 1722 01:12:39,266 --> 01:12:40,567 ♪ ♪ 1723 01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:41,967 - This is a photo 1724 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:44,767 of the primary subject of my investigation, 1725 01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:47,133 an intelligence officer by the name of Jesse Marcel. 1726 01:12:47,266 --> 01:12:50,800 Here he is in a press release on July 8, 1947. 1727 01:12:50,934 --> 01:12:55,066 He was ordered to pose with this tinfoil here 1728 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,734 and say what earlier had been reported as a flying saucer 1729 01:12:58,867 --> 01:13:00,367 was a weather balloon. 1730 01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:03,133 It's not until 1980 that he comes out publicly 1731 01:13:03,266 --> 01:13:04,633 and starts speaking to the cameras 1732 01:13:04,767 --> 01:13:06,133 about what he really saw. 1733 01:13:06,266 --> 01:13:07,567 He was of the impression 1734 01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:09,300 that these materials were not from this planet. 1735 01:13:09,433 --> 01:13:10,967 - Right. - So that led to the idea 1736 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,667 that there was a government cover-up to hide a UFO crash 1737 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,367 and bodies and many other extraordinary claims, 1738 01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:20,333 but it all comes back to the integrity 1739 01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:22,233 and the testimony of this man here. 1740 01:13:22,367 --> 01:13:24,567 ♪ ♪ 1741 01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:26,333 Fishburne: Smith has brought with him 1742 01:13:26,467 --> 01:13:29,166 footage of some of Jesse Marcel's interviews. 1743 01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:31,900 Reiman will watch them closely, looking for any sign 1744 01:13:32,033 --> 01:13:35,700 that Jesse Marcel may not be telling the truth. 1745 01:13:35,834 --> 01:13:37,800 - He told me not to say anything. 1746 01:13:37,934 --> 01:13:40,033 He said, "I'll handle it from now on," 1747 01:13:40,166 --> 01:13:42,166 and that's exactly what he did. 1748 01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:46,400 When he came out, he said--he told the press that was there, 1749 01:13:46,533 --> 01:13:48,867 he said, "That was nothing but a weather balloon, 1750 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,567 crashed weather balloon." 1751 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:53,233 It was definitely not a weather balloon, 1752 01:13:53,367 --> 01:13:57,567 and it was an aircraft, so what it could have been, 1753 01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:59,166 I wouldn't know. 1754 01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:02,533 I still don't know. 1755 01:14:02,667 --> 01:14:06,367 - Is there anything we can take away from these clips here 1756 01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:09,300 about whether he's being deceptive or not? 1757 01:14:09,433 --> 01:14:10,967 - We're looking for a few different things. 1758 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:13,266 Is he moving around too much? Is he fidgeting? 1759 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,367 He held eye contact, 1760 01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:17,266 he smiled at appropriate times, 1761 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,467 and he actually shook his head up and down 1762 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,867 when he was saying something in the affirmative, 1763 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,367 and he shook his head side to side when he was saying, 1764 01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,400 like, you know, "I couldn't say anything," 1765 01:14:26,533 --> 01:14:27,934 so those are signals of truth. 1766 01:14:28,066 --> 01:14:30,133 Those are signals of congruency. 1767 01:14:30,266 --> 01:14:34,467 - So that tells you he believed in what he was saying, right? 1768 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,767 - Right, he believed what he was saying, 1769 01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:38,567 but at the same time, he's not really 1770 01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:40,133 saying anything specific. 1771 01:14:40,266 --> 01:14:41,433 At the end, he says, 1772 01:14:41,567 --> 01:14:42,934 "I don't even know what I saw," 1773 01:14:43,066 --> 01:14:44,133 which makes it easy for him to be congruent. 1774 01:14:44,266 --> 01:14:45,700 - Of course. 1775 01:14:45,834 --> 01:14:47,800 ♪ ♪ 1776 01:14:47,934 --> 01:14:50,867 So Jesse has become a bit of a lightning rod 1777 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,734 for the whole controversy around the Roswell incident. 1778 01:14:52,867 --> 01:14:54,300 - Right. - His family says 1779 01:14:54,433 --> 01:14:56,100 he was an honest man, 1780 01:14:56,233 --> 01:14:57,934 a man of duty, and he's telling the truth. 1781 01:14:58,066 --> 01:15:01,266 - Right. - The government says 1782 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,300 they don't know why he's making these claims. 1783 01:15:03,433 --> 01:15:04,867 He's not telling the truth. 1784 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,834 [foreboding music] 1785 01:15:07,967 --> 01:15:09,600 ♪ ♪ 1786 01:15:09,734 --> 01:15:12,266 Fishburne: In its 1995 report, the Air Force 1787 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,200 cited a sworn affidavit from Sheridan Cavitt. 1788 01:15:16,333 --> 01:15:19,033 Cavitt was the special agent for counterintelligence 1789 01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:23,100 who accompanied Marcel to investigate the debris. 1790 01:15:23,233 --> 01:15:25,633 - As a CIC agent, he was in a different chain of command, 1791 01:15:25,767 --> 01:15:27,467 but they were friends, because nobody likes you 1792 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,266 if you're a counterintelligence officer, 1793 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,166 and nobody likes you if you're an intelligence officer. 1794 01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:33,166 ♪ ♪ 1795 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:35,033 Fishburne: As the other official on site, 1796 01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:37,500 Cavitt could have backed Marcel's story 1797 01:15:37,633 --> 01:15:40,200 about strange wreckage that littered a field 1798 01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:43,333 with nearly a mile of debris, but he didn't. 1799 01:15:43,467 --> 01:15:45,667 ♪ ♪ 1800 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,600 - Cavitt, who was there with him, 1801 01:15:47,734 --> 01:15:49,200 said there was not much material there at all, 1802 01:15:49,333 --> 01:15:51,033 which they recovered most of it. 1803 01:15:51,166 --> 01:15:53,133 He said it was obvious to him at the time 1804 01:15:53,266 --> 01:15:56,800 that the stuff they were picking up was just crap, 1805 01:15:56,934 --> 01:15:59,200 just, you know, for lack of a better term. 1806 01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:02,400 The fact was the material that's depicted in the photos 1807 01:16:02,533 --> 01:16:06,200 was identified by Cavitt, still alive in 1994, 1808 01:16:06,333 --> 01:16:09,433 as material he and Marcel physically picked up 1809 01:16:09,567 --> 01:16:14,600 in the desert on the farm in July of 1947. 1810 01:16:14,734 --> 01:16:17,033 ♪ ♪ 1811 01:16:17,166 --> 01:16:21,000 Fishburne: In his affidavit, Sheridan Cavitt wrote, 1812 01:16:21,133 --> 01:16:25,066 "The amount of debris was very small, about 20 square feet. 1813 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,333 "I remember recognizing the material as consistent 1814 01:16:28,467 --> 01:16:30,000 "with a weather balloon, 1815 01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:33,700 which would easily fit into one vehicle." 1816 01:16:33,834 --> 01:16:37,166 - One thing I was certain of, it was not a weather balloon 1817 01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:38,834 nor an aircraft nor a missile. 1818 01:16:38,967 --> 01:16:40,333 It was something else, 1819 01:16:40,467 --> 01:16:42,667 which we didn't know what it was. 1820 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,433 There were just fragments strewn all over the area, 1821 01:16:45,567 --> 01:16:47,066 an area about 3/4 of a mile long 1822 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,433 and several hundred feet wide. 1823 01:16:49,567 --> 01:16:53,767 So we proceeded to pick up the parts. 1824 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:55,333 Fishburne: So which intelligence officer 1825 01:16:55,467 --> 01:16:56,934 was telling the truth: 1826 01:16:57,066 --> 01:17:00,300 Sheridan Cavitt or Jesse Marcel? 1827 01:17:00,433 --> 01:17:02,834 ♪ ♪ 1828 01:17:02,967 --> 01:17:04,400 - We're looking for things like fidgeting 1829 01:17:04,533 --> 01:17:06,900 or diverting attention. 1830 01:17:07,033 --> 01:17:08,800 I didn't see that with this, and once again, 1831 01:17:08,934 --> 01:17:10,800 when he did make a fumble, a verbal fumble, 1832 01:17:10,934 --> 01:17:12,233 he would autocorrect. 1833 01:17:12,367 --> 01:17:14,633 He did it consistently and comfortably. 1834 01:17:14,767 --> 01:17:15,800 - Uh-huh. 1835 01:17:15,934 --> 01:17:17,467 In this next clip, 1836 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,000 he's going to describe the materials that he discovered, 1837 01:17:20,133 --> 01:17:21,767 and this is a key part of the investigation. 1838 01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:25,300 Can we trust his eyewitness account 1839 01:17:25,433 --> 01:17:27,000 about the actual debris that he found? 1840 01:17:27,133 --> 01:17:28,000 - Okay. 1841 01:17:28,133 --> 01:17:32,000 ♪ ♪ 1842 01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:34,667 - The thing about it that got me is 1843 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,100 that you couldn't even bend it. 1844 01:17:36,233 --> 01:17:37,900 You couldn't ben--dent it. 1845 01:17:38,033 --> 01:17:40,500 Even with a sledgehammer, it would bounce off it, 1846 01:17:40,633 --> 01:17:43,300 so I knew that I had never seen anything like that 1847 01:17:43,433 --> 01:17:45,567 before, and as of right--as of now, 1848 01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:47,333 I don't know what it was. 1849 01:17:47,467 --> 01:17:49,433 It was not anything from this Earth, 1850 01:17:49,567 --> 01:17:51,233 that I'm quite sure of, 1851 01:17:51,367 --> 01:17:53,000 because I was-- being an intelligence officer, 1852 01:17:53,133 --> 01:17:54,834 I was familiar with just about every-- 1853 01:17:54,967 --> 01:17:59,400 all materials used in aircraft and in air travel. 1854 01:17:59,533 --> 01:18:01,967 This was nothing like that. It could not be. 1855 01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:04,533 It could not have been. 1856 01:18:04,667 --> 01:18:06,233 - Do you see any signs of deception? 1857 01:18:06,367 --> 01:18:08,900 - I don't see any signs of deception in him, 1858 01:18:09,033 --> 01:18:10,667 in his own self-belief. 1859 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,400 - So he's not being willingly deceptive to trick us all 1860 01:18:14,533 --> 01:18:16,533 into believing something that isn't true. 1861 01:18:16,667 --> 01:18:18,000 He truly believes what he's saying. 1862 01:18:18,133 --> 01:18:19,500 - I got the impression 1863 01:18:19,633 --> 01:18:22,700 that he truly believes what he's saying. 1864 01:18:22,834 --> 01:18:25,400 Fishburne: Coming up, they swore an oath to keep secrets, 1865 01:18:25,533 --> 01:18:28,734 but could the journal be the biggest secret they shared, 1866 01:18:28,867 --> 01:18:31,867 the story of Roswell written in code? 1867 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,300 ♪ ♪ 1868 01:18:38,934 --> 01:18:41,800 [dramatic music] 1869 01:18:41,934 --> 01:18:43,700 ♪ ♪ 1870 01:18:43,834 --> 01:18:46,600 [tense music] 1871 01:18:46,734 --> 01:18:49,633 ♪ ♪ 1872 01:18:49,767 --> 01:18:51,600 Fishburne: After analyzing Marcel's body language 1873 01:18:51,734 --> 01:18:53,567 with expert Tonya Reiman, 1874 01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:55,867 who sees no indication of deceit... 1875 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,934 - He truly believes what he's saying. 1876 01:18:58,066 --> 01:19:00,266 Fishburne: Ben Smith heads to York College 1877 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,767 in Pennsylvania to see if cryptologist Craig Bauer 1878 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:07,500 has made progress deciphering the journal. 1879 01:19:07,633 --> 01:19:09,934 With Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson, 1880 01:19:10,066 --> 01:19:11,467 who is just as eager to know 1881 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,867 what the writing in the journal means. 1882 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,767 ♪ ♪ 1883 01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:17,100 - Do you think that there would have been any reason 1884 01:19:17,233 --> 01:19:19,667 why another intelligence officer on base 1885 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,700 would have wanted to give him information 1886 01:19:21,834 --> 01:19:25,433 that would have been somewhat coded in some way? 1887 01:19:25,567 --> 01:19:28,867 - I think if your grandfather is making claims 1888 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,200 that someone else believes... - Yes. 1889 01:19:32,333 --> 01:19:36,367 - Or someone else had the same experience 1890 01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:38,166 but for whatever reason, 1891 01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:40,500 they feel afraid of openly speaking out... 1892 01:19:40,633 --> 01:19:42,467 - Sure. - They might capture that 1893 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,967 in--in a code and give it to your grandfather. 1894 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:48,834 - I would like to believe that what we find in there 1895 01:19:48,967 --> 01:19:51,800 is going to be something significant enough 1896 01:19:51,934 --> 01:19:54,533 that it makes it irrefutable 1897 01:19:54,667 --> 01:19:57,266 that what my father and grandfather believed in 1898 01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,934 was something that wasn't--was truly not made by human hands. 1899 01:20:01,066 --> 01:20:03,300 Fishburne: Craig Bauer has devised a customized program 1900 01:20:03,433 --> 01:20:05,700 to try and crack whatever code 1901 01:20:05,834 --> 01:20:07,500 might be hiding in the journal. 1902 01:20:07,633 --> 01:20:10,600 ♪ ♪ 1903 01:20:10,734 --> 01:20:12,166 - Knock, knock. 1904 01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:13,467 ♪ ♪ 1905 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,000 - Hey, Ben. Good to see you again. 1906 01:20:15,133 --> 01:20:16,367 - Yeah, you too. How are you? - Good. 1907 01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:17,867 You must be Jesse. - Jesse Marcel. 1908 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,767 I'm Craig. - Craig, nice to meet you. 1909 01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:22,200 - Jack is one of our best math and computer science majors. 1910 01:20:22,333 --> 01:20:23,467 - Oh, great. - Nice to see you again. 1911 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,367 - Nice to see you again. - Yeah. 1912 01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:25,967 - So we've been studying 1913 01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:27,700 your grandfather's journal. 1914 01:20:27,834 --> 01:20:30,467 The first really interesting thing we noticed... 1915 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,500 - Okay. - Was, you know, 1916 01:20:33,633 --> 01:20:36,700 sort of weird ways of writing letters. 1917 01:20:36,834 --> 01:20:39,800 Like, he has a capital L in the middle of a word. 1918 01:20:39,934 --> 01:20:41,133 - Okay. - And it's not like 1919 01:20:41,266 --> 01:20:42,600 the whole thing is in uppercase. 1920 01:20:42,734 --> 01:20:44,934 It's just randomly a capital L. 1921 01:20:45,066 --> 01:20:47,100 You can see in the line above, he's using lowercase Ls 1922 01:20:47,233 --> 01:20:48,600 in "little girl." 1923 01:20:48,734 --> 01:20:49,967 - I can see your point. 1924 01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:51,500 - We started to see these different forms, 1925 01:20:51,633 --> 01:20:53,433 so I asked Jack to prepare this table, 1926 01:20:53,567 --> 01:20:55,133 and I was thrilled with this result. 1927 01:20:55,266 --> 01:20:57,000 - Uh-huh. - We have two forms 1928 01:20:57,133 --> 01:21:00,367 of every letter that appears more than once. 1929 01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:05,367 You can see a K where it's two separate pieces and together. 1930 01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:06,600 - Oh, wow. Yeah. - Up at the top right, 1931 01:21:06,734 --> 01:21:08,066 you can see an O and an O 1932 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,367 that's filled in like a solid circle, 1933 01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:11,600 a P with a loop, 1934 01:21:11,734 --> 01:21:13,033 a P without a loop. 1935 01:21:13,166 --> 01:21:15,200 So this really intrigued us. 1936 01:21:15,333 --> 01:21:16,600 To a cryptographer, 1937 01:21:16,734 --> 01:21:18,767 this indicates a certain kind of cipher. 1938 01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:21,200 - It does? - Yes. 1939 01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:22,867 If you have two different versions of a letter, 1940 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,934 you know, we can call them and say, zero and one. 1941 01:21:25,066 --> 01:21:26,333 - Sure. 1942 01:21:26,467 --> 01:21:27,867 - So you have an apparent message, 1943 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,200 but really it's spelling something out in binary. 1944 01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:31,734 - Binary, it's-- okay, it's that simple. 1945 01:21:31,867 --> 01:21:33,400 - Yeah, yeah. 1946 01:21:33,533 --> 01:21:34,767 There's a system that uses that kind of approach. 1947 01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:36,100 - Okay. 1948 01:21:36,233 --> 01:21:38,900 - This made us very hopeful, and we-- 1949 01:21:39,033 --> 01:21:41,400 - You got my heart going, I'll say that much. 1950 01:21:41,533 --> 01:21:43,934 - But there is some bad news. 1951 01:21:44,066 --> 01:21:46,266 ♪ ♪ 1952 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,500 If somebody is implementing a biliteral cipher, 1953 01:21:48,633 --> 01:21:52,000 that person has to be very careful to stick to one 1954 01:21:52,133 --> 01:21:54,934 or the other form and make it clear which it is. 1955 01:21:55,066 --> 01:21:57,600 - That makes sense. - Go ahead and show 'em. 1956 01:21:57,734 --> 01:22:01,567 - Oh, okay. - This is the real result. 1957 01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:05,100 We found, in many instances, three forms of a letter, 1958 01:22:05,233 --> 01:22:07,133 and this is a big problem. 1959 01:22:07,266 --> 01:22:08,633 - This would throw everything off. 1960 01:22:08,767 --> 01:22:11,233 - Yeah, so this was kind of frustrating, 1961 01:22:11,367 --> 01:22:14,400 and the result was that we had to run our program again 1962 01:22:14,533 --> 01:22:16,300 and again and again 1963 01:22:16,433 --> 01:22:18,400 with different assumptions, with different assignments 1964 01:22:18,533 --> 01:22:21,433 for some of these third characters, these third forms. 1965 01:22:21,567 --> 01:22:23,066 Our government has poured 1966 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,166 so much money into the development of computers 1967 01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,967 because it needed them for code breaking. 1968 01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,400 This is why computers were developed. 1969 01:22:29,533 --> 01:22:31,100 You could go through a lot of combinations by hand. 1970 01:22:31,233 --> 01:22:34,266 67 million, no, okay? 1971 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,734 But we have computers because of this need to break ciphers, 1972 01:22:38,867 --> 01:22:41,467 and this is how we're going to apply them in this journal. 1973 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,834 We had to write a computer program 1974 01:22:42,967 --> 01:22:44,500 to just test all the possibilities. 1975 01:22:44,633 --> 01:22:46,633 We tested our program on little pieces, 1976 01:22:46,767 --> 01:22:48,600 little sections of the journal. 1977 01:22:48,734 --> 01:22:50,633 Why don't we show them a typical result? 1978 01:22:50,767 --> 01:22:53,166 Maybe just the very first passage that was printed, 1979 01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:54,633 about Jonah. 1980 01:22:54,767 --> 01:22:57,567 ♪ ♪ 1981 01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:59,100 Here's the original quote. 1982 01:22:59,233 --> 01:23:01,233 "When down in the mouth, remember Jonah. 1983 01:23:01,367 --> 01:23:03,133 He came out all right." - Okay, sure. 1984 01:23:03,266 --> 01:23:04,900 ♪ ♪ 1985 01:23:05,033 --> 01:23:07,867 - The program just takes a few minutes. 1986 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,233 We get things like this. "A web." 1987 01:23:10,367 --> 01:23:12,333 - Okay. - And then the asterisk means 1988 01:23:12,467 --> 01:23:13,834 we got a string of As and Bs 1989 01:23:13,967 --> 01:23:15,633 that does not correspond to a letter. 1990 01:23:15,767 --> 01:23:17,400 That's a bad sign, 1991 01:23:17,533 --> 01:23:19,300 to get one that doesn't even map to a letter. 1992 01:23:19,433 --> 01:23:21,133 - Okay. - Every so often, 1993 01:23:21,266 --> 01:23:23,667 you can pick out a word here or there. 1994 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,700 I think you got McArthur at one point, 1995 01:23:26,834 --> 01:23:28,233 so we were kind of checking the timing. 1996 01:23:28,367 --> 01:23:29,667 Would he have been writing about McArthur? 1997 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,734 But on run after run, 1998 01:23:32,867 --> 01:23:34,333 we're just periodically getting words 1999 01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:36,800 but never a complete sentence, never anything 2000 01:23:36,934 --> 01:23:38,734 that looks like it couldn't have arisen by chance. 2001 01:23:38,867 --> 01:23:40,200 - Okay. Sure. 2002 01:23:40,333 --> 01:23:42,233 - Nothing meaningful. - Right. Right. 2003 01:23:42,367 --> 01:23:44,000 ♪ ♪ 2004 01:23:44,133 --> 01:23:46,467 - I mean, I guess there's a ray of hope. 2005 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,033 We can't conclude that there's not something hidden there. 2006 01:23:49,166 --> 01:23:50,500 - Okay. - We can conclude 2007 01:23:50,633 --> 01:23:52,166 that there's not something hidden there 2008 01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:54,033 with a straightforward biliteral cipher. 2009 01:23:54,166 --> 01:23:56,300 - Okay. - But there are many ways 2010 01:23:56,433 --> 01:23:58,533 to hide a message. 2011 01:23:58,667 --> 01:24:00,567 We still don't have a good explanation 2012 01:24:00,700 --> 01:24:01,900 for why you would have an uppercase L 2013 01:24:02,033 --> 01:24:03,467 in the middle of a word 2014 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,133 or, you know, these strange different forms. 2015 01:24:05,266 --> 01:24:06,467 - Yeah. 2016 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,266 - So there could well be something there. 2017 01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,867 - You know, the 509th bomb group where Jesse worked 2018 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,867 was a pretty unique place. 2019 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,633 They had a lot of need 2020 01:24:16,767 --> 01:24:20,367 to communicate sensitive information to each other. 2021 01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:24,133 Is it possible that a group like the 509th 2022 01:24:24,266 --> 01:24:28,100 could communicate in a cipher that only they knew about? 2023 01:24:28,233 --> 01:24:30,567 - Oh, yeah, I think they could do that pretty easily. 2024 01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:34,033 There are a lot of homebrew systems. 2025 01:24:34,166 --> 01:24:35,767 You know, to make up a little cipher system 2026 01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:38,800 that you're just gonna exchange a few messages, 2027 01:24:38,934 --> 01:24:41,433 it's not that hard to make it really hard to break. 2028 01:24:41,567 --> 01:24:43,533 - Uh-huh. 2029 01:24:43,667 --> 01:24:45,300 I have a lot of faith that there's something here. 2030 01:24:45,433 --> 01:24:47,033 ♪ ♪ 2031 01:24:47,166 --> 01:24:49,367 My grandfather would have wanted to leave some kind 2032 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,400 of message behind, something. 2033 01:24:51,533 --> 01:24:53,233 He always said that you could 2034 01:24:53,367 --> 01:24:55,200 always believe that there were people that were involved, 2035 01:24:55,333 --> 01:24:58,133 so maybe this is one of the other people that was involved 2036 01:24:58,266 --> 01:25:01,000 and some way of getting him a message. 2037 01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:02,533 We need to go find out who wrote this. 2038 01:25:02,667 --> 01:25:03,600 - Yeah. 2039 01:25:03,734 --> 01:25:06,433 ♪ ♪ 2040 01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:09,934 Fishburne: Next on "Roswell: The First Witness"... 2041 01:25:10,066 --> 01:25:11,700 - He told me, 2042 01:25:11,834 --> 01:25:14,433 "Don't believe everything the government tells you." 2043 01:25:14,567 --> 01:25:16,433 Fishburne: What did Jesse Marcel say in private 2044 01:25:16,567 --> 01:25:18,100 that he never said in public? 2045 01:25:18,233 --> 01:25:20,000 - He said there are things 2046 01:25:20,133 --> 01:25:22,700 that this world is not ready for. 2047 01:25:22,834 --> 01:25:25,200 Fishburne: He confessed to her there was more, 2048 01:25:25,333 --> 01:25:27,033 so much more he could have said. 2049 01:25:27,166 --> 01:25:33,867 ♪ ♪ 2050 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:39,700 Fishburne: Did Marcel hide a piece 2051 01:25:39,834 --> 01:25:41,467 of what he found at home? 2052 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,533 - Jesse said he had proof. 2053 01:25:43,667 --> 01:25:46,500 - There could be some debris left around. 2054 01:25:46,633 --> 01:25:48,967 Fishburne: Is the proof still buried in the ground? 2055 01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:51,166 - Right there. 2056 01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:54,133 It's something that doesn't make sense to me. 2057 01:25:54,266 --> 01:25:56,433 - Have you ever seen that in a--in a wreck? 2058 01:25:56,567 --> 01:25:58,567 - No. There's something under the ground there. 2059 01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:01,600 Fishburne: She says her father staged a cover-up... 2060 01:26:01,734 --> 01:26:04,900 - And he also destroyed files. - Or changed them. 2061 01:26:05,033 --> 01:26:07,934 Fishburne: Even though he knew Jesse Marcel was right. 2062 01:26:08,066 --> 01:26:10,367 - He said that the world wasn't ready to know 2063 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:12,734 the truth about what happened at Roswell. 2064 01:26:12,867 --> 01:26:14,734 ♪ ♪ 2065 01:26:14,867 --> 01:26:16,300 Fishburne: He didn't write the journal, 2066 01:26:16,433 --> 01:26:20,200 but did he share its secrets with this man who could have? 2067 01:26:20,333 --> 01:26:21,867 I'm Laurence Fishburne, 2068 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,266 Thanks for watching "History's Greatest Mysteries". 2069 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:31,266 Next time, our conclusion to "Roswell: The First Witness".