1 00:00:01,621 --> 00:00:05,016 [radio static] 2 00:00:14,634 --> 00:00:16,331 [camera shutter clicks] 3 00:00:18,681 --> 00:00:23,512 [man] If you're from Fall River, you've probably done some time. 4 00:00:23,643 --> 00:00:26,820 That's like high school reunion for, you go to jail, 5 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:29,301 "Hey, I haven't seen you." Yeah, I've been over here, you know, 6 00:00:29,431 --> 00:00:31,042 playing some cards for a while, you know?" 7 00:00:34,088 --> 00:00:36,656 [man] Here in Fall River, we're very proud of our achievements. 8 00:00:36,786 --> 00:00:38,701 And every year, right here on the waterfront, 9 00:00:38,832 --> 00:00:41,443 we bring together hundreds of volunteers to entertain 10 00:00:41,574 --> 00:00:43,358 hundreds of thousands of visitors. 11 00:00:43,489 --> 00:00:45,665 [woman] Used to be a pretty quiet town. 12 00:00:45,795 --> 00:00:48,537 Until, uh, a few years ago. 13 00:00:48,668 --> 00:00:51,323 [man] 14 00:01:04,814 --> 00:01:06,294 [male reporter] The city of Fall River used to be known as the town 15 00:01:06,425 --> 00:01:09,602 of mills, hills, and pork pies. 16 00:01:09,732 --> 00:01:14,433 It's also the spot where somebody gave Lizzie Borden's parents 41 whacks or so. 17 00:01:17,131 --> 00:01:19,699 [man] I didn't know about all this stuff that happened here. 18 00:01:19,829 --> 00:01:23,616 Everybody thinks of Lizzie Borden. 19 00:01:23,746 --> 00:01:25,226 That's a hundred years ago. 20 00:01:28,621 --> 00:01:32,103 Lizzie Borden has nothing on the Fall River cult murders. 21 00:01:34,757 --> 00:01:37,586 [female reporter] Police making the unsettling discovery in a wooded area. 22 00:01:37,717 --> 00:01:40,720 -[siren wailing] -[man] They had a series of murders 23 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:43,462 during a satanic ritual in the woods. 24 00:01:43,592 --> 00:01:45,681 [siren wailing] 25 00:01:45,812 --> 00:01:48,206 [man] If I had a chance to say, "Would you want a investigation 26 00:01:48,336 --> 00:01:50,599 -like that again?" -[male reporter] Police take away boxes 27 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:53,472 full of bones and satanic paraphernalia. 28 00:01:53,602 --> 00:01:57,780 [man] Three homicides, connected. Satanic cults. 29 00:01:57,911 --> 00:02:00,348 [woman] Do you wish to sell your soul to Satan? 30 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:01,871 [man] I'd say, are you crazy? 31 00:02:02,002 --> 00:02:04,352 It destroyed my life. I got divorced in the process, 32 00:02:04,483 --> 00:02:06,485 in the middle of it. It consumed me. 33 00:02:08,269 --> 00:02:09,618 [woman] They could have just killed her. 34 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:12,534 But they tortured her. 35 00:02:12,665 --> 00:02:14,449 [female reporter] It has also been revealed that her murder 36 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:18,540 was a ritualistic killing tied to a satanic cult 37 00:02:18,671 --> 00:02:21,543 that exists among prostitutes and pimps in Fall River. 38 00:02:21,674 --> 00:02:26,113 These ritualistic, barbaric slayings where these poor women, 39 00:02:26,244 --> 00:02:27,810 their souls were offered to the devil. 40 00:02:27,941 --> 00:02:30,987 [man] Satan is the pioneer. 41 00:02:31,118 --> 00:02:32,641 The inventor. 42 00:02:32,772 --> 00:02:35,731 ♪♪♪ 43 00:02:35,862 --> 00:02:39,170 [woman] These headlines, "Satan cult killings," 44 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:42,390 "Fall River satanic cult," "Women found dead," 45 00:02:42,521 --> 00:02:44,392 liken people were terrified. 46 00:02:45,959 --> 00:02:48,701 [man] My faith in God grew stronger. 47 00:02:48,831 --> 00:02:50,529 I prayed a lot. 48 00:02:50,659 --> 00:02:52,705 It was all evil. 49 00:02:52,835 --> 00:02:56,317 Without this so-called evil, there could be no change. 50 00:02:59,581 --> 00:03:01,453 [man] I think justice was served. 51 00:03:01,583 --> 00:03:02,628 [woman] They arrested him. I said, 52 00:03:02,758 --> 00:03:04,369 "What do you mean, they arrested him?" 53 00:03:04,499 --> 00:03:05,761 They arrested him for murder. 54 00:03:05,892 --> 00:03:07,720 I said, "You people are out of your mind!" 55 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:09,461 [female reporter] Grand jury murder indictments 56 00:03:09,591 --> 00:03:10,810 were handed down today for the death 57 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:13,291 of 20-year-old Karen Marsden. 58 00:03:13,421 --> 00:03:18,339 Justice wasn't done because the story that's out there is a lie. 59 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:20,472 [man] 60 00:03:23,866 --> 00:03:25,520 It just doesn't-- it just doesn't make sense. 61 00:03:26,608 --> 00:03:29,568 [man] 62 00:03:29,698 --> 00:03:32,614 This injustice will haunt me. 63 00:03:32,745 --> 00:03:35,313 [woman] 64 00:03:37,228 --> 00:03:38,925 There's a lot of questions, 65 00:03:39,055 --> 00:03:42,885 and they're probably all going to remain unanswered. 66 00:03:43,016 --> 00:03:47,238 Nobody knows. I guess everybody who's watching it's gonna know. 67 00:03:51,894 --> 00:03:53,853 [man] 68 00:03:53,983 --> 00:03:56,638 I don't know. I never been on camera before, so... 69 00:03:56,769 --> 00:03:58,988 -[man] -[sniffs] 70 00:03:59,119 --> 00:04:01,904 So when I was probably about, I don't know, five or six, 71 00:04:02,035 --> 00:04:05,691 I told my mother that, um... 72 00:04:05,821 --> 00:04:08,650 I had saw these people killing--killing a girl. 73 00:04:10,696 --> 00:04:14,265 ♪♪♪ 74 00:05:08,057 --> 00:05:10,582 [man] I was a detective in the major crimes division. 75 00:05:12,975 --> 00:05:17,589 All of those homicides, probably 40 that I was involved with, 76 00:05:17,719 --> 00:05:20,722 the details of every one of those crime scenes, 77 00:05:20,853 --> 00:05:25,161 all of those bodies, uh, stick out to me. 78 00:05:25,292 --> 00:05:29,122 [police radio chatter] 79 00:05:29,252 --> 00:05:32,821 People will come to me and say, "Oh, would you talk to my son? 80 00:05:32,952 --> 00:05:34,693 He wants to be a police officer." 81 00:05:36,085 --> 00:05:37,739 You don't want him to talk to me. 82 00:05:37,870 --> 00:05:42,918 [police radio chatter] 83 00:05:43,049 --> 00:05:45,921 It's the worst job in the world! It's the worst job in the world! 84 00:05:46,052 --> 00:05:47,836 [radio bleeping] 85 00:05:47,967 --> 00:05:52,450 ♪♪♪ 86 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,857 [pager beeping] 87 00:06:08,988 --> 00:06:13,122 [Silvia] My beeper went off at close to 6am in the morning. 88 00:06:13,253 --> 00:06:17,692 And they told me to go to Dimon Vocational High School. 89 00:06:22,175 --> 00:06:24,786 [police radio chatter] 90 00:06:28,964 --> 00:06:34,535 When I arrived, we had just the EMTs there 91 00:06:34,666 --> 00:06:40,236 and, uh, uniform division that's standing by to secure the crime scene. 92 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:43,936 [radio chatter] 93 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:47,635 Went under the bleachers where we saw the naked body. 94 00:06:54,729 --> 00:06:57,036 [stammering] I... I can... 95 00:06:57,166 --> 00:06:59,517 If you could see... I can see exactly how that looks. 96 00:07:02,998 --> 00:07:04,783 She was facedown. 97 00:07:08,047 --> 00:07:11,964 She was just about completely nude. 98 00:07:12,094 --> 00:07:14,793 There was a lot of evidence at this murder scene. 99 00:07:16,751 --> 00:07:18,013 [camera shutter clicks] 100 00:07:18,144 --> 00:07:21,843 I'm just gonna tell you what the facts are. 101 00:07:24,933 --> 00:07:28,763 This girl had a baseball bat shoved inside of her. 102 00:07:28,894 --> 00:07:32,071 She was tied up with fishing wire. 103 00:07:32,201 --> 00:07:35,683 Her head was crushed with rocks. 104 00:07:39,034 --> 00:07:41,254 [man] She had been smashed in the face with a gigantic rock, 105 00:07:41,384 --> 00:07:46,694 which we did transport to the FBI lab in Washington. 106 00:07:47,739 --> 00:07:51,177 They had some sort of a system down there where they could lift fingerprints, 107 00:07:51,307 --> 00:07:53,788 but we were unable to get any prints off that rock. 108 00:07:56,487 --> 00:08:01,753 [Silvia] At that point, we didn't even have an idea of who the victim was. 109 00:08:01,883 --> 00:08:03,798 Our intent was to get her identified. 110 00:08:07,106 --> 00:08:10,588 ♪♪♪ 111 00:08:13,068 --> 00:08:15,375 There were a lot of deaths in Fall River, 112 00:08:15,506 --> 00:08:19,814 but there weren't that many out-and-out, blatant murders as this was. 113 00:08:24,863 --> 00:08:27,039 I'll never forget that autopsy. 114 00:08:27,169 --> 00:08:29,868 It was in the basement of St. Anne's Hospital. 115 00:08:37,136 --> 00:08:40,008 There was a basement window that opened, 116 00:08:40,139 --> 00:08:43,664 and they had that open for ventilation purposes, obviously. 117 00:08:43,795 --> 00:08:48,016 But there was a young child at the window watching the autopsy take place, 118 00:08:48,147 --> 00:08:48,930 which was so bizarre. 119 00:08:50,628 --> 00:08:53,021 And I yelled, "Hey! Get out of there!" 120 00:08:53,152 --> 00:08:56,721 [man] They had a composite drawing of her. 121 00:08:56,851 --> 00:08:58,636 And that was circulated. 122 00:09:06,078 --> 00:09:09,560 And that's how she was initially identified. 123 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,043 We met a friend of hers, who ended up coming to the city 124 00:09:15,174 --> 00:09:17,829 who made the positive identification. 125 00:09:26,272 --> 00:09:29,449 [Hayes] Doreen Levesque, who was originally from New Bedford, 126 00:09:29,580 --> 00:09:34,236 was a transient and she was homeless and she did have her problems 127 00:09:34,367 --> 00:09:38,066 with her family and she was on drugs and vulnerable. 128 00:09:38,197 --> 00:09:41,243 ♪♪♪ 129 00:09:41,374 --> 00:09:46,074 [male reporter] Between 1960 and 1973, drug addiction rates among juvenile women 130 00:09:46,205 --> 00:09:49,251 increased six times more than those of men. 131 00:09:49,382 --> 00:09:54,082 Female addicts often turn to prostitution to support their habit. 132 00:09:54,213 --> 00:09:57,346 [Joaquim] As time went on, that's when it was determined 133 00:09:57,477 --> 00:10:00,611 that she was prostituting in Fall River. 134 00:10:03,222 --> 00:10:05,790 [Silvia] That's a sad story. The only reason why Doreen 135 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,749 didn't work the streets in New Bedford was she didn't want people to see her. 136 00:10:10,403 --> 00:10:12,884 [Fitzgerald] I spoke with her father. 137 00:10:13,014 --> 00:10:16,148 She was young, she was only 17 years old. 138 00:10:16,278 --> 00:10:19,542 When you hear about the case, you seem to assume 139 00:10:19,673 --> 00:10:23,721 that these are women that are much older than they really are. 140 00:10:23,851 --> 00:10:27,986 [male reporter] The prostitute's number one enemy is not the law, 141 00:10:28,116 --> 00:10:30,292 but old age. 142 00:10:30,423 --> 00:10:33,208 Doreen at age 17, she should be in high school, 143 00:10:33,339 --> 00:10:35,776 not working the streets. 144 00:10:36,690 --> 00:10:39,650 And the investigation sort of went in that direction. 145 00:10:42,696 --> 00:10:47,222 [Hayes] There's a lot of drugs and drinking and prostitution and stuff going on there, 146 00:10:47,353 --> 00:10:52,184 at that period of time, the late '70s, into the early '80s. 147 00:10:52,314 --> 00:10:54,447 [Silvia] Fall River, it was a rough place. 148 00:10:54,577 --> 00:10:57,232 There were so many girls working the streets of Fall River at that time, 149 00:10:57,363 --> 00:11:00,496 there were traffic jams on Friday and Saturday evenings. 150 00:11:00,627 --> 00:11:04,022 There'd be 30 or 40 women working the street. 151 00:11:04,152 --> 00:11:08,113 There was a number of bars in that four-block area 152 00:11:08,243 --> 00:11:11,682 where the prostitutes would frequent. 153 00:11:13,248 --> 00:11:18,036 Pier 14, Charlie's was a block further east. 154 00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:20,255 [Joaquim] There were tough places. 155 00:11:20,386 --> 00:11:23,955 The only people who went in that area were people looking for girls 156 00:11:24,085 --> 00:11:26,392 or involved in the business. 157 00:11:26,522 --> 00:11:30,048 There's a very real linkage between these 158 00:11:30,178 --> 00:11:33,399 adult entertainment areas and crime. 159 00:11:33,529 --> 00:11:36,532 They were importing a lot of prostitutes at the time 160 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:39,361 from, like, Providence and the surrounding areas 161 00:11:39,492 --> 00:11:42,538 and they were working the streets in Fall River. 162 00:11:42,669 --> 00:11:47,152 [man] You provide a concentration of activity that is especially attractive 163 00:11:47,282 --> 00:11:52,070 to people who want to use sex as a way of committing ordinary crimes. 164 00:11:55,508 --> 00:11:57,989 Sadly, it was a block and a half from the police station. 165 00:12:03,472 --> 00:12:06,475 [male reporter] Why is prostitution so open here? 166 00:12:06,606 --> 00:12:10,523 [Boyle] I moved down to southeastern Massachusetts. 167 00:12:10,653 --> 00:12:12,438 That's when I first heard about this case. 168 00:12:12,568 --> 00:12:16,877 I don't understand how this type of prostitution 169 00:12:17,008 --> 00:12:21,752 continued here in this city, especially so close to the police station. 170 00:12:24,319 --> 00:12:26,365 I don't know if someone was paid off, 171 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:29,324 I don't know if someone was paid off to look the other way. 172 00:12:29,455 --> 00:12:34,025 There's a lot of conspiracy theories. 173 00:12:34,155 --> 00:12:37,419 [woman] These girls were smarter than I ever was. 174 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:41,641 They were beautiful. I want them to remember all these girls 175 00:12:41,772 --> 00:12:44,426 because they were so young, 176 00:12:44,557 --> 00:12:48,213 and, um, they screwed up. 177 00:12:48,343 --> 00:12:51,042 And they got involved with the wrong people, 178 00:12:51,172 --> 00:12:54,785 and, um, they didn't deserve this. 179 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:01,269 ♪♪♪ 180 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,098 [woman] Doreen Levesque, I didn't know anything except that 181 00:13:04,229 --> 00:13:07,493 she was a prostitute that got killed. 182 00:13:07,623 --> 00:13:10,452 [Silvia] As soon as we learned who Doreen was, 183 00:13:10,583 --> 00:13:14,413 is when we worked all of that area. 184 00:13:14,543 --> 00:13:17,155 We talked to people then who had been warned to stay off the street. 185 00:13:20,506 --> 00:13:23,814 Anybody who you could talk to, you talked to about it. 186 00:13:25,424 --> 00:13:28,035 We initially thought it could have been a john. 187 00:13:37,523 --> 00:13:40,265 There were many people who were dangerous, and we ran into them often. 188 00:13:40,395 --> 00:13:45,400 Willie Smith, he was allowing Doreen Levesque 189 00:13:45,531 --> 00:13:47,838 to use his apartment.... 190 00:13:49,578 --> 00:13:51,493 for her prostitution operations. 191 00:13:51,624 --> 00:13:56,324 I only talked to Willie Smith one time, 192 00:13:56,455 --> 00:13:58,065 and he denied any knowledge of anything. 193 00:13:58,196 --> 00:14:01,329 We came across Andy Maltais. 194 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:03,636 He got the services of the prostitutes. 195 00:14:03,766 --> 00:14:08,119 We brought him down to the district attorney's office 196 00:14:08,249 --> 00:14:09,598 with two of the Fall River detectives. 197 00:14:09,729 --> 00:14:12,210 He initially was a suspect. 198 00:14:12,340 --> 00:14:15,126 We interviewed him numerous times, 199 00:14:15,256 --> 00:14:17,868 and it turned out he was not involved. 200 00:14:19,608 --> 00:14:21,567 [Silvia] Most of the young ladies who worked the street 201 00:14:21,697 --> 00:14:24,526 had someone they were working for. 202 00:14:24,657 --> 00:14:27,573 [male reporter] Their business managers, known more accurately as pimps, 203 00:14:27,703 --> 00:14:30,271 will arrange for their bail and early release. 204 00:14:33,318 --> 00:14:37,191 [Fitzgerald] Doreen, she had come to Fall River. 205 00:14:37,322 --> 00:14:40,891 That's apparently when she ran into Carl Drew. 206 00:14:50,683 --> 00:14:54,121 We would speak to people who would tell us 207 00:14:54,252 --> 00:14:56,123 that Satan controls the street. 208 00:14:58,473 --> 00:15:00,606 And who is Satan? 209 00:15:00,736 --> 00:15:04,479 [recorded voice] Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from... 210 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:09,571 -[Silvia] It was Carl Drew. -An inmate at Massachusetts Department of Corrections. 211 00:15:09,702 --> 00:15:11,922 [Drew on phone] Hello. 212 00:15:16,535 --> 00:15:18,667 Could you move the glasses for me? 213 00:15:18,798 --> 00:15:21,627 Take the microphone and just drop this down the shirt for me. 214 00:15:21,757 --> 00:15:25,109 Just go all the way through for me. Thank you. 215 00:15:25,239 --> 00:15:27,415 -[man] -Good. 216 00:15:27,546 --> 00:15:29,417 -Good? -Yeah. Yeah. 217 00:15:29,548 --> 00:15:32,159 [Joaquim] Carl always maintained his cool. 218 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:33,595 If he was stoned, you couldn't tell. 219 00:15:33,726 --> 00:15:37,338 -[man] -Oh... 220 00:15:37,469 --> 00:15:39,775 Kind of anxious to get this thing going. Get it out there. 221 00:15:39,906 --> 00:15:42,474 It's been a long time. 222 00:15:42,604 --> 00:15:47,609 -Yeah. -Yeah, it's going on 41 years of this stuff. 223 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:51,352 [Silvia] Carl Drew was known as someone who was on the street daily. 224 00:15:53,659 --> 00:15:55,313 Was a pimp. 225 00:15:57,097 --> 00:15:58,707 [Drew] I'm originally from New Hampshire. 226 00:15:58,838 --> 00:16:03,321 I lived with an abusive father that was an alcoholic 227 00:16:03,451 --> 00:16:06,498 and all that stuff. I would get beatings, I mean, 228 00:16:06,628 --> 00:16:09,370 to the point where I'd be knocked out, you know what I mean? 229 00:16:09,501 --> 00:16:11,764 Plenty of times I've woken up with a handkerchief over my nose 230 00:16:11,894 --> 00:16:15,463 because he just come right on and suckerpunched me. 231 00:16:15,594 --> 00:16:20,207 [Silvia] Carl's father would hang him with a rope into a well as a punishment. 232 00:16:20,338 --> 00:16:23,254 Would send him into the water 233 00:16:23,384 --> 00:16:26,126 to get dead animals out of a well. 234 00:16:27,998 --> 00:16:30,478 I turned about 14 years old, 235 00:16:30,609 --> 00:16:33,699 and I was getting a beating from my father, 236 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:37,137 and I decided enough was enough. I got up and knocked him on his ass. 237 00:16:37,268 --> 00:16:41,402 And I left and I been living on the streets from the... from the age of 14. 238 00:16:43,665 --> 00:16:46,146 [Boyle] Carl Drew was a street thug. 239 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:51,978 He was violent, he was cruel, he was mean. 240 00:16:52,109 --> 00:16:55,721 [Drew] So I end up holding up one convenience store in New Bedford. 241 00:16:55,851 --> 00:17:00,813 And I end up going to trial and I end up getting six years and a day. 242 00:17:00,943 --> 00:17:04,643 So when I got out of prison on that, I had to stay in Fall River 243 00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:06,732 because I was on parole. 244 00:17:06,862 --> 00:17:11,302 [Silvia] He was known to be a very violent person. 245 00:17:14,783 --> 00:17:17,873 Had a history of control of the prostitutes who worked the street. 246 00:17:18,004 --> 00:17:20,528 They were afraid of him. 247 00:17:20,659 --> 00:17:23,531 [Drew] For some reason, I had a bad reputation out there 248 00:17:23,662 --> 00:17:27,144 that people knew not to... not to mess with anything that was mine. 249 00:17:30,495 --> 00:17:33,280 What I knew of the whole situation, 250 00:17:33,411 --> 00:17:35,369 he drugged those girls up. 251 00:17:37,676 --> 00:17:40,766 So they didn't know whether they were coming or going. 252 00:17:40,896 --> 00:17:43,682 They'd pay me like $200 a week to protect them, 253 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,553 to keep them safe on the street. 254 00:17:45,684 --> 00:17:48,252 Oh, he wasn't protecting them. He was using them. 255 00:17:48,382 --> 00:17:52,691 If he was protecting them, he wouldn't be sending them out on the street to make money. 256 00:17:52,821 --> 00:17:55,781 [female reporter] Young runaway girls in particular become prey for pimps 257 00:17:55,911 --> 00:17:58,653 who make promises of love and protection. 258 00:17:58,784 --> 00:18:02,570 [Boyle] He did not care about them, he didn't love them. 259 00:18:02,701 --> 00:18:04,572 Uh, protection, no. 260 00:18:04,703 --> 00:18:08,272 [man] 261 00:18:08,402 --> 00:18:10,230 [woman] 262 00:18:16,193 --> 00:18:18,978 [Gibbs] Carl Drew, did he know me? No. 263 00:18:19,109 --> 00:18:22,329 Did I know who he was? Yes. 264 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:24,375 He liked to manhandle the girls. 265 00:18:24,505 --> 00:18:26,725 And he wasn't afraid to use force... 266 00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:29,597 to make them do what he wanted. 267 00:18:29,728 --> 00:18:32,861 [Drew] A lot of the cops back then, they just didn't care. 268 00:18:32,992 --> 00:18:35,864 They knew this shit was going on and they allowed it to go on. 269 00:18:35,995 --> 00:18:39,781 It was so blatantly out there. You know what I mean? 270 00:18:39,912 --> 00:18:43,611 Unless the cops had an attitude towards somebody, they didn't bother them. 271 00:18:43,742 --> 00:18:46,310 -You know what I mean? -[male reporter] Judges often show reluctance 272 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,835 to imprison a prostitute since prisons don't seem to rehabilitate people, 273 00:18:49,965 --> 00:18:52,794 but make them more hardened criminals instead. 274 00:18:52,925 --> 00:18:55,971 [Desouto] My friend Diana, when she was doing it, 275 00:18:56,102 --> 00:19:00,715 there was a cop who actually would pick her up for service, 276 00:19:00,846 --> 00:19:03,153 and not arrest her. 277 00:19:36,664 --> 00:19:40,755 All of our resources were going to, you know, 278 00:19:40,886 --> 00:19:42,496 solve the homicides. 279 00:19:42,627 --> 00:19:45,760 Carl, unless he was part of that investigation, 280 00:19:45,891 --> 00:19:50,287 which he ended up being, he was, uh, sort of ignored. 281 00:19:52,811 --> 00:19:56,031 There was a lot of fear on the streets of Carl. 282 00:19:56,162 --> 00:19:58,860 You know, the retribution that was going to be involved 283 00:19:58,991 --> 00:20:02,473 if, uh, anybody spoke or talked. 284 00:20:06,912 --> 00:20:08,609 We knew all the players, 285 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:10,742 but we could put nothing together 286 00:20:10,872 --> 00:20:12,526 that early in the investigation. 287 00:20:12,657 --> 00:20:15,747 ♪♪♪ 288 00:20:15,877 --> 00:20:19,707 [Silvia] Robin's name popped up just about daily. 289 00:20:19,838 --> 00:20:23,711 [Joaquim] The bottom line is that Carl was a pimp 290 00:20:23,842 --> 00:20:28,455 and Robin Murphy, she was trying to be a pimp at this time 291 00:20:28,586 --> 00:20:30,631 in the same area as Carl. 292 00:20:30,762 --> 00:20:34,983 [Silvia] At that time, Carl Drew and Robin 293 00:20:35,114 --> 00:20:38,552 controlled much of that trade, 294 00:20:38,683 --> 00:20:42,426 and they forbade others from doing that. 295 00:20:42,556 --> 00:20:44,732 They were working together 296 00:20:44,863 --> 00:20:45,733 but they hated each other. 297 00:20:45,864 --> 00:20:48,562 [Desouto] I knew Robin very well. 298 00:20:50,216 --> 00:20:52,827 I liked her. We had fun. She was a hot shit. 299 00:20:52,958 --> 00:20:54,916 She was crazy. 300 00:20:55,047 --> 00:21:00,270 And I knew she was not somebody you wanted on your bad side. 301 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:08,800 [Boyle] Robin had a very rough upbringing. 302 00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:13,848 It's my understanding there was allegations of sexual assault. 303 00:21:13,979 --> 00:21:16,677 A very troubled, troubled background. 304 00:21:16,808 --> 00:21:20,725 She grew up very quickly over the years, 305 00:21:20,855 --> 00:21:23,989 so violence really was part of her life. 306 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,079 [woman] What made Robin Robin? 307 00:21:27,209 --> 00:21:31,692 Robin didn't care about herself because she had parents that didn't care about her. 308 00:21:33,955 --> 00:21:39,570 Robin didn't seem to have any kind of family situation. 309 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,876 Her mother, I think she was a bar maid. 310 00:21:42,007 --> 00:21:44,575 She was never there. 311 00:21:44,705 --> 00:21:48,013 Her father... didn't give two shits about her. 312 00:21:48,143 --> 00:21:50,494 My mother didn't give two shits about me. 313 00:21:50,624 --> 00:21:52,322 Um... 314 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:56,935 [man] Robin was only 17 years old at the time, 315 00:21:57,065 --> 00:22:00,591 but a very violent person. 316 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:09,208 I watched her have a fistfight with a guy in front of Charlie's. 317 00:22:09,339 --> 00:22:12,516 [Desouto] This guy was 25. 318 00:22:12,646 --> 00:22:14,561 This guy ran from her. 319 00:22:16,737 --> 00:22:19,871 And she chased him down the avenue, 320 00:22:20,001 --> 00:22:23,440 right in the middle of the road, and threw a full beer bottle. 321 00:22:25,659 --> 00:22:27,618 Trying to hit him in the head. 322 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:31,622 That's Robin. 323 00:22:33,493 --> 00:22:36,888 [Silvia] So I was sitting in an unmarked vehicle. 324 00:22:37,018 --> 00:22:39,543 You would think she was a middleweight fighter. 325 00:22:41,371 --> 00:22:42,633 She was pretty vicious. 326 00:22:44,243 --> 00:22:46,637 [Hayes] Everybody who knew her said 327 00:22:46,767 --> 00:22:49,030 in high school the men were afraid of her. 328 00:22:49,161 --> 00:22:51,859 She just had like a, you know, what do you call it, retard strength? 329 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:53,774 She just had like, you know what I mean? 330 00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:56,864 Like, you seem like something, when she was really mad, 331 00:22:56,995 --> 00:22:59,780 she had a rage that you could probably break a pool stick over her head... 332 00:23:01,303 --> 00:23:03,741 and she'd still keep coming at you. 333 00:23:03,871 --> 00:23:06,570 Robin could eat pizza and kill you right after that. 334 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,572 Not bother her at all. 335 00:23:08,702 --> 00:23:10,574 It wouldn't bother her at all. 336 00:23:15,361 --> 00:23:19,670 We never got along from the-- from the first moment that we talked. 337 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,107 You know what I mean? When you talked to her, 338 00:23:22,237 --> 00:23:24,892 you knew you didn't wanna have anything to do with her because of her attitude, 339 00:23:25,023 --> 00:23:26,894 her disposition. 340 00:23:27,025 --> 00:23:28,983 That's what she wanted. 341 00:23:29,114 --> 00:23:31,029 She wanted control. 342 00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:32,422 She didn't wanna be a prostitute. 343 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:37,557 She was definitely smarter than Carl Drew. 344 00:23:39,298 --> 00:23:41,126 [Joaquim] Probably much smarter than a lot of the people 345 00:23:41,256 --> 00:23:44,695 she was dealing with. Maybe even us, I don't know. 346 00:23:46,044 --> 00:23:48,263 [Silvia] She hated Carl. 347 00:23:48,394 --> 00:23:53,007 Carl was the only one in her way of controlling the street completely. 348 00:23:53,138 --> 00:23:56,707 At that age, at 17 years old, controlling the entire street. 349 00:24:00,841 --> 00:24:05,455 Doreen had been warned by both Carl and Robin, 350 00:24:05,585 --> 00:24:08,936 they wanted that control of the sex dollars, 351 00:24:09,067 --> 00:24:12,462 and they warned her to stay off the streets. 352 00:24:14,376 --> 00:24:17,684 She was actually working two blocks away 353 00:24:17,815 --> 00:24:21,079 from where they gathered. 354 00:24:21,209 --> 00:24:24,952 But she was still working the street, and she was still taking johns, 355 00:24:25,083 --> 00:24:28,042 and she was getting a lot more because she was a very pretty young lady. 356 00:24:28,173 --> 00:24:31,829 ♪♪♪ 357 00:24:41,403 --> 00:24:46,321 [Boyle] There's a strange dynamic there of Robin and Carl, 358 00:24:46,452 --> 00:24:51,501 and Karen Marsden was caught in the middle of all of this. 359 00:24:56,114 --> 00:25:00,074 [Gibbs] Karen and I were best friends. We did everything together. 360 00:25:00,205 --> 00:25:03,774 Karen was a good kid with a kind heart. 361 00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:05,993 If you were her friend, you were her friend 362 00:25:06,124 --> 00:25:08,779 and she was gonna be down for you no matter what. 363 00:25:08,909 --> 00:25:13,871 Her mother had gone to jail. I'm not sure why. 364 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,918 I don't know what happened to her father. 365 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:20,791 I have no idea. 366 00:25:20,921 --> 00:25:23,707 [Boyle] Karen Marsden was probably-- 367 00:25:23,837 --> 00:25:26,797 that's the saddest case. 368 00:25:26,927 --> 00:25:28,929 These are just shattered lives. 369 00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:32,977 And they're all tied to Carl Drew. 370 00:25:33,107 --> 00:25:37,547 Karen probably worked the streets for me-- probably about a year. 371 00:25:39,374 --> 00:25:41,899 She was the kind of person that you wouldn't think 372 00:25:42,029 --> 00:25:44,554 that she would work on the streets and all that stuff. 373 00:25:46,773 --> 00:25:51,343 But we got together, and I explained to her what the routine was. 374 00:25:51,473 --> 00:25:55,565 And I let her know that it's not a game out there on the street. 375 00:26:00,178 --> 00:26:02,180 I was pretty mad with Karen. I said, what are you doing with this guy? 376 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:04,269 -You know... -Yeah. 377 00:26:04,399 --> 00:26:07,881 She told me that she was prostituting and... 378 00:26:08,012 --> 00:26:11,015 I kicked a pole, sprained my right ankle. 379 00:26:11,145 --> 00:26:13,887 Um, I was pretty upset with her. 380 00:26:14,018 --> 00:26:16,281 So she insisted that she wanted to work the streets. 381 00:26:16,411 --> 00:26:20,241 [female reporter] And so they turn to the streets to escape the hurt, 382 00:26:20,372 --> 00:26:23,331 but find themselves becoming victims once again, 383 00:26:23,462 --> 00:26:28,119 returning to relationships with adults who exploit them. 384 00:26:28,249 --> 00:26:31,165 I knew Karen from my childhood. We went to church together. 385 00:26:31,296 --> 00:26:35,039 I believe people take two paths in life and she went on the dark path 386 00:26:35,169 --> 00:26:37,955 instead of seeing the light, and unfortunately, 387 00:26:38,085 --> 00:26:42,089 I believe she tried to come back and didn't have the help. 388 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:44,309 [female reporter] They continue to allow themselves to be used 389 00:26:44,439 --> 00:26:47,225 because they have come to expect nothing more, 390 00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:49,967 and that is why it is so difficult to reach them. 391 00:26:52,273 --> 00:26:54,493 [Gibbs] I lived in her apartment with her for a while. 392 00:26:54,624 --> 00:26:56,887 And I helped her with her son. 393 00:26:59,019 --> 00:27:02,980 [Silvia] Her son was a child. Two years old. 394 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:05,939 His name was Jay. He's since died. 395 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:10,335 Karen loved her son more than life. 396 00:27:10,465 --> 00:27:14,121 She loved that boy more than she loved anything in this world. 397 00:27:14,252 --> 00:27:16,907 Well, I'm the father to Karen Marsden's son. 398 00:27:17,037 --> 00:27:19,126 -Okay. -JJ. 399 00:27:19,257 --> 00:27:23,087 -What's JJ's full name? -Joseph John Alves. 400 00:27:23,217 --> 00:27:25,350 Karen was a virgin when I met her. 401 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,222 She wasn't no prostitute like everybody says. 402 00:27:28,353 --> 00:27:30,442 She used to hang down there because she knew some of the girls 403 00:27:30,572 --> 00:27:33,314 and that's how I met her. But she was a virgin when I met her. 404 00:27:33,445 --> 00:27:34,881 [man] Okay. 405 00:27:35,012 --> 00:27:37,579 Karen, 90 percent of the time 406 00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:41,975 I saw her, she was stoned and drunk. 407 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:51,550 [Drew] After the months progressed, I ended up seeing Karen 408 00:27:51,681 --> 00:27:55,162 hanging out with Robin. 409 00:27:55,293 --> 00:27:58,209 They were like two peas in a pod and all that stuff. 410 00:27:58,339 --> 00:28:02,082 [Boyle] Robin Murphy came out at a young age as a lesbian. 411 00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:05,520 [Silvia] Karen was considered Robin's lover. 412 00:28:05,651 --> 00:28:09,263 See, I don't wanna get into the Robin thing. I really don't. 413 00:28:09,394 --> 00:28:12,702 See, we all--we grew up in the same neighborhood, pretty much. 414 00:28:17,184 --> 00:28:21,319 They were friends. Karen didn't see her like I saw her. 415 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:24,626 [Boyle] Karen had a child. 416 00:28:24,757 --> 00:28:26,324 She had relationships with men, 417 00:28:26,454 --> 00:28:28,979 but she also had relationships with Robin. 418 00:28:29,109 --> 00:28:33,200 There was a very strong emotional tie 419 00:28:33,331 --> 00:28:37,204 or some type of power that Robin had over Karen. 420 00:28:37,335 --> 00:28:39,511 She felt comfortable with her somehow, 421 00:28:39,641 --> 00:28:41,905 that Robin was going to protect her. 422 00:28:42,035 --> 00:28:44,734 Particularly on the street. 423 00:28:47,693 --> 00:28:50,740 [Silvia] I did everything I could to get Karen to speak with us. 424 00:28:53,612 --> 00:28:56,484 Karen was the weak link. Karen wasn't right mentally. 425 00:28:56,615 --> 00:28:58,443 She was emotionally distraught. 426 00:28:58,573 --> 00:29:01,185 And stayed that same way, um, 427 00:29:01,315 --> 00:29:02,534 throughout all of that period of time. 428 00:29:02,664 --> 00:29:06,581 We thought she was emotionally damaged 429 00:29:06,712 --> 00:29:11,108 as a result of what happened that evening 430 00:29:11,238 --> 00:29:14,024 or early morning hours under the bleachers. 431 00:29:22,554 --> 00:29:25,078 -That's Karen telling you this? -Karen was telling me that, yes. 432 00:29:25,209 --> 00:29:26,863 She was present when-- we're talking about-- 433 00:29:26,993 --> 00:29:29,387 Do you know the girl that was found behind the bleachers? 434 00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,911 -You know her name? -That was Doreen Levesque. 435 00:29:32,042 --> 00:29:35,349 Levesque, right. 436 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,699 [Alves] She says, "Come out with me right now. I want to take you to the diamond bleachers. 437 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:40,790 There's a girl dead. Carl smashed her head in with rocks." 438 00:29:44,445 --> 00:29:47,666 And she was crying and she had holy water in her pocket. 439 00:29:47,797 --> 00:29:51,235 She was in fear of her life. 440 00:29:51,365 --> 00:29:54,542 Um, she said that someone was gonna kill her. 441 00:29:54,673 --> 00:29:57,415 "They tied the girl up behind the bleachers and smashed her head in with a rock, 442 00:29:57,545 --> 00:29:59,417 and Carl laughed about it." 443 00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:02,246 She implied that, "That guy Carl that you met, 444 00:30:02,376 --> 00:30:05,336 he's gonna kill me. I seen too much. I know too much." 445 00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,120 [man] You didn't go up there to see the body? 446 00:30:07,251 --> 00:30:08,687 I didn't go up there and see it, no way. 447 00:30:08,818 --> 00:30:10,297 [man] Okay. Now, Karen didn't come to the police 448 00:30:10,428 --> 00:30:12,038 -for what reason? -She was scared. 449 00:30:16,129 --> 00:30:20,090 [Silvia] Every time that I saw her, and I saw her at least four or five times weekly, 450 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:23,136 she was fearful of even looking in my direction. 451 00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:28,054 Or in the direction of the other investigators who were present. 452 00:30:29,664 --> 00:30:33,712 [Joaquim] Karen, she was always totally petrified. 453 00:30:33,843 --> 00:30:35,670 [Silvia] Carl manipulated her. 454 00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:38,325 Carl placed her in fear. 455 00:30:38,456 --> 00:30:41,851 Carl had her in fear every day he was gonna kill her. 456 00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:58,258 [Gibbs] They had threatened to party with her son if she tried to leave. 457 00:30:58,389 --> 00:31:00,739 And she said, "You know what I mean. 458 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:03,089 They're gonna drug him all up." 459 00:31:04,351 --> 00:31:06,571 And I said... 460 00:31:06,701 --> 00:31:10,401 "Well, then you-- you can't let people own you. 461 00:31:10,531 --> 00:31:12,751 "You gotta go-- you've gotta go tell somebody. 462 00:31:12,882 --> 00:31:16,146 "You're not an animal. People don't have-- people don't own you. 463 00:31:18,278 --> 00:31:20,890 And you can't let them think they do." 464 00:31:22,848 --> 00:31:26,199 [Silvia] It was gonna be arranged to have Karen 465 00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:29,159 meet us at a house on County Street in Fall River 466 00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:32,858 where Carol Fletcher's sister was staying. 467 00:31:32,989 --> 00:31:37,297 Carol Fletcher was someone who worked the street, well known to us. 468 00:31:37,428 --> 00:31:39,909 We agreed to go there. 469 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,000 When Karen came in that door and saw me... 470 00:31:45,436 --> 00:31:48,308 she started to scream. 471 00:31:48,439 --> 00:31:52,095 Karen was really upset with Carl Drew. 472 00:31:52,225 --> 00:31:53,923 She called him the devil. 473 00:31:54,053 --> 00:31:56,273 When I interviewed Karen, Karen said, you know, 474 00:31:56,403 --> 00:31:58,928 "Satan knows who I'm talking to." 475 00:32:13,377 --> 00:32:15,466 We started hearing "Satan." 476 00:32:15,596 --> 00:32:18,469 You know, cult. It was unusual for Fall River. 477 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:23,169 As an investigator, I hadn't heard the word, uh, 478 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,739 "cult" in this community. 479 00:32:27,869 --> 00:32:30,698 [female reporter] Detective Alan Alves of the Freetown Police 480 00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:33,353 is an expert on satanic cults. 481 00:32:33,484 --> 00:32:35,529 This is definitely, you know, indications of Satanism. 482 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:37,705 I knew Alan Silvia. 483 00:32:37,836 --> 00:32:41,100 We worked together on a lot of cases throughout the years. 484 00:32:43,363 --> 00:32:45,496 Because Freetown's a nice, quiet town, 485 00:32:45,626 --> 00:32:48,499 all our crime came from people in Fall River or New Bedford. 486 00:32:48,629 --> 00:32:52,198 So I worked with a lot of the detectives from the area. 487 00:32:55,114 --> 00:32:59,727 Karen and other women that we talked to who were involved with Carl Drew and Robin 488 00:32:59,858 --> 00:33:03,862 often said how Carl would take them to the Freetown State Forest, 489 00:33:03,993 --> 00:33:07,126 where they would worship Satan. 490 00:33:13,698 --> 00:33:18,616 [man] Satan is the essence of that which dwells within myself. 491 00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:22,359 -[man] Do you believe in Jesus Christ? -No. No. 492 00:33:22,489 --> 00:33:24,317 Irrevocably not. 493 00:33:24,448 --> 00:33:27,886 [man] 494 00:33:28,017 --> 00:33:32,456 Oh, during a ritual? Well, the power starts building up. 495 00:33:32,586 --> 00:33:34,675 I guess "power" sounds like a real corny word, 496 00:33:34,806 --> 00:33:39,593 but it's an adrenaline energy that starts building up in you. 497 00:33:39,724 --> 00:33:41,769 Don't ask me just why. 498 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:45,382 I suppose it's... you should call it satanic ecstasy. 499 00:33:47,688 --> 00:33:51,301 [Alves] I've been involved in investigating satanic crime 500 00:33:51,431 --> 00:33:55,827 for two decades in the Freetown State Forest. 501 00:33:55,957 --> 00:34:00,614 In the Freetown State Forest, they were always finding upside-down crosses 502 00:34:00,745 --> 00:34:06,359 and there was always talk of satanic cult activity out there. 503 00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:11,016 Alves was always chasing rumors out there. 504 00:34:11,147 --> 00:34:15,586 [female reporter] The detective admits devil worship is a difficult crime to prosecute. 505 00:34:15,716 --> 00:34:18,502 [Alves] What they do, they have a pentagram. 506 00:34:18,632 --> 00:34:21,070 Satan would come out of the center of it. 507 00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:27,380 We find animals with absolutely no blood in them at all. 508 00:34:27,511 --> 00:34:29,252 They would drain the blood right out of them. 509 00:34:30,905 --> 00:34:33,821 It would be opposite of the Catholic church, 510 00:34:33,952 --> 00:34:37,782 and they would drink blood instead of wine and so forth. 511 00:34:37,912 --> 00:34:40,828 And usually with a high priestess of the cult, 512 00:34:40,959 --> 00:34:45,094 uh, it'd be mixed with either his urine or with his semen. 513 00:34:46,921 --> 00:34:51,100 So that left me out of being undercover over there. 514 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,843 Prior to that, of course, the Charles Manson case 515 00:34:55,974 --> 00:34:58,063 really riveted the country. 516 00:34:58,194 --> 00:34:59,369 [man] Charlie, can we get a picture? 517 00:34:59,499 --> 00:35:01,501 [Boyle] The whole helter skelter, 518 00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:05,026 the horror of what was going on in California. 519 00:35:05,157 --> 00:35:08,987 [man] Susan, would you answer a couple of questions for us? 520 00:35:09,118 --> 00:35:14,427 So when anyone talked about Satanism, that's immediately what you thought of. 521 00:35:14,558 --> 00:35:18,518 [Alves] It was happening across the country. 522 00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:21,652 [male reporter] Alpine police say five young Alpine men 523 00:35:21,782 --> 00:35:24,698 are accused of conducting satanic rituals. 524 00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:28,746 [female reporter] Authorities say Satanism is definitely alive in Tucson. 525 00:35:28,876 --> 00:35:32,880 [male reporter] At midnight on Saturday night, Satan worshippers don their regalia 526 00:35:33,011 --> 00:35:34,578 and gather in groups of 13. 527 00:35:34,708 --> 00:35:36,580 They knew what they were doing was wrong 528 00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:40,018 by molesting kids or serial rapists or serial murder. 529 00:35:40,149 --> 00:35:42,455 [male reporter] All prayers, chants, and offerings are directed 530 00:35:42,586 --> 00:35:45,023 to the dark power of the king of hell. 531 00:35:45,154 --> 00:35:47,678 [female reporter] Drinking blood is one of the black magic traditions 532 00:35:47,808 --> 00:35:50,681 that some satanic covens or groups practice. 533 00:35:50,811 --> 00:35:52,378 But then, all of a sudden, here comes a religion 534 00:35:52,509 --> 00:35:55,599 that says rape is okay, 535 00:35:55,729 --> 00:35:58,167 killing's okay, all that stuff is okay. 536 00:36:01,909 --> 00:36:04,695 It's their constitutional right to practice any religion they want. 537 00:36:04,825 --> 00:36:09,526 Uh, our concern is in the exercise of that religion, 538 00:36:09,656 --> 00:36:12,703 that A, they're not committing any crimes, 539 00:36:12,833 --> 00:36:16,533 and B, they're not infringing upon the rights of other people. 540 00:36:16,663 --> 00:36:19,536 -Hail Satan. -[all] Hail Satan. 541 00:36:19,666 --> 00:36:21,581 [Boyle] There was a fear of Satan, 542 00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,933 but it was more the fear of Satanism and evil people. 543 00:36:26,064 --> 00:36:27,848 [female reporter] It's not illegal to be a Satanist, 544 00:36:27,979 --> 00:36:29,937 and not all Satanists engage in illegal activities. 545 00:36:30,068 --> 00:36:32,940 But many do. Some of the illegal activity includes 546 00:36:33,071 --> 00:36:36,074 trespassing, cruelty to animals, kidnapping, rape, 547 00:36:36,205 --> 00:36:39,512 or sexual molestation of adults and children, and murder. 548 00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:44,952 I never saw a real live ritual. 549 00:36:45,083 --> 00:36:49,479 Saw the aftermath of it. And I was advised of what went on 550 00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:51,176 with some of the people that were in a cult. 551 00:36:51,307 --> 00:36:54,614 I don't know who the true believers were, 552 00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:57,878 but they definitely used that to keep the other girls in line, 553 00:36:58,009 --> 00:37:02,753 who ended up, you know, believing that there was an omnipresence involved 554 00:37:02,883 --> 00:37:05,973 that no matter what they did, they couldn't get away with it. 555 00:37:06,104 --> 00:37:11,762 Carl Drew, he allegedly called himself the son of Satan. 556 00:37:11,892 --> 00:37:14,982 And he kind of looked the part. He had those wild, crazy eyes, 557 00:37:15,113 --> 00:37:19,030 and the long, stringy hair, and he had this, you know, 558 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,947 horde of prostitutes that he controlled with threats and intimidation 559 00:37:23,077 --> 00:37:26,342 and, "We're gonna offer your soul to Satan." 560 00:37:33,131 --> 00:37:36,830 I always stayed in contact with Karen, even though we weren't getting along. 561 00:37:36,961 --> 00:37:39,790 -Because we had the son together. -[man] Yep. 562 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,924 She said that Carl Drew took her to the Best Western hotel on Columbia Street. 563 00:37:44,055 --> 00:37:47,058 Now it's an assisted living place. 564 00:37:47,188 --> 00:37:49,756 And she said he brought her in a room, and they tied her up 565 00:37:49,887 --> 00:37:52,846 and they dripped blood all over her and they walked around the room 566 00:37:52,977 --> 00:37:55,936 saying, in different languages that you never even knew. 567 00:37:56,067 --> 00:37:59,723 They had crosses hung from the ceiling upside down and everything. 568 00:37:59,853 --> 00:38:04,684 You have to be a certain bit of a showman in the world 569 00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,991 in order to get ahead. 570 00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:10,690 If someone begs to be misused, then I'll be very glad to oblige. 571 00:38:13,127 --> 00:38:16,000 [Silvia] This was not an organized satanic cult, 572 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:19,830 where, you know, they kept a book of shadows, or... 573 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,182 This was self-styled creation by Carl Drew 574 00:38:24,313 --> 00:38:28,055 in order to keep people in line. 575 00:38:28,186 --> 00:38:32,321 "Satan knows, Satan's gonna know, Satan knows everything." 576 00:38:32,451 --> 00:38:35,019 I said, "They're gonna sacrifice a human being," 577 00:38:35,149 --> 00:38:40,154 because that's what's required on Halloween and on May 1, is a human sacrifice. 578 00:38:40,285 --> 00:38:42,331 Usually it's a baby. 579 00:38:45,029 --> 00:38:48,554 [McPhee] You know, there's plenty of pimps who are abusive, 580 00:38:48,685 --> 00:38:50,600 who, you know, prey on women. 581 00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:52,993 They don't have to say, "I worship the devil," 582 00:38:53,124 --> 00:38:57,084 and "Satan will take your soul if you don't bring in 200 bucks a night." 583 00:38:57,215 --> 00:39:00,349 [Boyle] Carl Drew used Satanism. 584 00:39:07,965 --> 00:39:10,576 They would meet at different apartments 585 00:39:10,707 --> 00:39:14,363 and try to summon up the devil. 586 00:39:25,896 --> 00:39:28,594 Obviously, the devil didn't show up. 587 00:39:28,725 --> 00:39:31,858 But perhaps Carl Drew was the devil, 588 00:39:31,989 --> 00:39:34,774 and they didn't have to summon anyone. 589 00:39:34,905 --> 00:39:39,692 He was the one who just brought evil into all of their lives. 590 00:39:42,826 --> 00:39:46,482 ♪♪♪ 591 00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:03,760 [Silvia] Karen, that night, took me to the forest 592 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:07,894 and showed me this area that Carl had taken her to. 593 00:40:08,025 --> 00:40:11,985 And that how they were gonna kill her son. 594 00:40:12,116 --> 00:40:14,510 Satan was gonna take her son's life. 595 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,428 [Joaquim] We picked her up, drove around, we looked for altars. 596 00:40:22,256 --> 00:40:25,825 We were trying to cultivate a story from her 597 00:40:25,956 --> 00:40:31,309 and she was just incoherent and crying uncontrollably. 598 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,661 [Silvia] She was saying that once Carl knew that she had been talking to me, 599 00:40:35,792 --> 00:40:38,011 they were gonna kill her. 600 00:40:38,142 --> 00:40:42,015 She wanted to go to St. Mary's Church and talk to a priest. 601 00:40:42,146 --> 00:40:45,889 [Silvia] On the way there, I called the chief of police 602 00:40:46,019 --> 00:40:48,674 and I asked him to place Karen in protective custody. 603 00:40:48,805 --> 00:40:51,372 He agreed that I could do that. 604 00:40:51,503 --> 00:40:55,464 She insisted that she wanted to see the priest and didn't wanna be in protective custody. 605 00:40:57,901 --> 00:40:59,468 [Joaquim] We dropped her off at the church. 606 00:41:01,295 --> 00:41:04,168 She rang the rectory door, the lights came on. 607 00:41:04,298 --> 00:41:08,477 [Silvia] I remember the priest coming to the door and greeting her. 608 00:41:10,914 --> 00:41:13,830 I drove away. 609 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,615 That's the last we saw of her. 610 00:41:22,142 --> 00:41:25,972 It was maybe the following day when her grandmother 611 00:41:26,103 --> 00:41:28,801 got in touch with the police department, 612 00:41:28,932 --> 00:41:32,805 and Captain Andrade called Alan and I in. 613 00:41:32,936 --> 00:41:35,765 It's about 3:00 in the afternoon if I recall correctly. 614 00:41:35,895 --> 00:41:39,246 And he said, you know, that Karen was missing. 615 00:41:39,377 --> 00:41:43,729 And at that point, we knew she probably was not missing. 616 00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:54,044 The longer time went by that she wasn't there, 617 00:41:54,174 --> 00:41:58,048 the likelihood of her coming back would, I would think would be... 618 00:41:58,178 --> 00:42:01,051 far and few between, you know? Wouldn't happen. 619 00:42:01,181 --> 00:42:03,793 I felt like, why wasn't somebody helping her? 620 00:42:07,927 --> 00:42:10,539 I questioned, where was God? 621 00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:14,630 I felt sick. 622 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:27,773 [Gibbs] The police came to my mother's house on Robeson Street and questioned me 623 00:42:27,904 --> 00:42:30,297 'cause Karen was missing. 624 00:42:30,428 --> 00:42:33,170 And I was like, "I don't know who did it, I don't know what happened, 625 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,129 and I don't know where Karen is." 626 00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:38,697 But I do know she was in some sort of trouble. 627 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,007 [Silvia] Carl Drew, he was a suspect, 628 00:42:44,137 --> 00:42:48,489 but he also wasn't someone that we went to on the street to talk to. 629 00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:52,755 He didn't make himself available. 630 00:42:52,885 --> 00:42:54,583 Didn't want to see us. 631 00:42:59,196 --> 00:43:02,068 [Joaquim] Everybody we were trying to talk to would eventually end up 632 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,593 at an apartment in Harbor Terrace. 633 00:43:08,118 --> 00:43:11,904 [Boyle] Sonny Sparda lived in Harbor Terrace, 634 00:43:12,035 --> 00:43:15,125 which was a housing project in Fall River. 635 00:43:15,255 --> 00:43:21,044 That was the main hangout for a number of people at that time. 636 00:43:21,174 --> 00:43:25,135 [Silvia] Sonny Sparda had a history of being involved with drugs, 637 00:43:25,265 --> 00:43:28,225 with street crime. 638 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:31,881 She was close friends with all of the players. 639 00:43:32,011 --> 00:43:34,840 Carl Drew, 640 00:43:34,971 --> 00:43:36,929 Robin, 641 00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:39,323 Karen. 642 00:43:39,453 --> 00:43:43,196 Robin had called Sonny one time. 643 00:43:43,327 --> 00:43:47,026 And Fall River detectives, they happened to be there. 644 00:43:49,246 --> 00:43:52,031 [phone rings] 645 00:43:58,516 --> 00:44:02,781 [Silvia] Sonny allowed me to listen in on the phone call. 646 00:44:07,003 --> 00:44:11,224 And while doing so, Robin said 647 00:44:11,355 --> 00:44:12,748 she was involved in this. 648 00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:18,971 That set in motion Robin's arrest. 649 00:44:19,102 --> 00:44:23,106 [Boyle] She was between a rock and a hard place. 650 00:44:23,236 --> 00:44:28,067 She no doubt felt safer with the police than she did with Carl Drew. 651 00:44:28,198 --> 00:44:31,375 They brought Robin over to the district attorney's office. 652 00:44:31,505 --> 00:44:35,901 And she looked up. As soon as she saw me, she looked very upset. 653 00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:42,952 [Boyle] At that point, she knew that state police were working 654 00:44:43,082 --> 00:44:45,215 out of the district attorney's office, 655 00:44:45,345 --> 00:44:48,479 and she thought that if she needed to get a deal, 656 00:44:48,609 --> 00:44:51,787 it would be through the state police. 657 00:44:57,357 --> 00:45:00,970 [Joaquim] What happened with Robin is the district attorney's office 658 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,060 finally took her into protective custody 659 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:08,717 and that virtually eliminated our involvement with her. 660 00:45:13,504 --> 00:45:19,205 Robin Murphy goes to the DA and they offer Robin pretty much a deal right then and there. 661 00:45:19,336 --> 00:45:24,123 Robin says, Carl Drew forced all of these women to worship Satan 662 00:45:24,254 --> 00:45:28,649 and used it as a mechanism to control their money, their take. 663 00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:35,004 And that she was forced into this Satan cult worshipping horror show by Carl Drew. 664 00:46:00,029 --> 00:46:06,557 Robin doesn't take any responsibility for the murder of Doreen Levesque. 665 00:46:06,687 --> 00:46:10,561 Instead, she tells the Bristol County DA's office that Karen, 666 00:46:10,691 --> 00:46:14,608 her romantic love interest, told her 667 00:46:14,739 --> 00:46:17,786 that Carl wanted to make an offering to Satan. 668 00:46:46,292 --> 00:46:48,381 [McPhee] Karen had been forced to participate, 669 00:46:48,512 --> 00:46:51,732 that Carl told her we have to give her soul to Satan, 670 00:46:51,863 --> 00:46:55,388 and that she picked up a rock and bashed the victim in the head. 671 00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,826 But Robin had nothing to do with it. 672 00:47:18,455 --> 00:47:23,373 Karen Marsden decided that she wants to leave Carl Drew and Satan altogether. 673 00:47:23,503 --> 00:47:28,465 She wants nothing to do with Satan, goodbye devil. 674 00:47:28,595 --> 00:47:33,470 Well, Karen Marsden had been a witness. 675 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,516 [Silvia] Carl was in total fear that Karen was gonna tell the story 676 00:47:36,647 --> 00:47:41,608 about Carl's presence and participation with Doreen Levesque's homicide. 677 00:47:41,739 --> 00:47:47,397 The death of Karen was quite simply to kill a witness, 678 00:47:47,527 --> 00:47:50,139 to kill a witness to a murder. 679 00:48:06,242 --> 00:48:07,896 I didn't believe it at the time. 680 00:48:10,594 --> 00:48:13,292 But they killed her a few hours after I dropped her off. 681 00:48:18,558 --> 00:48:21,257 I think about that often. 682 00:48:21,387 --> 00:48:23,302 I knew that she would have a price to pay. 683 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:26,131 I didn't think for a moment that they would kill her. 684 00:48:26,262 --> 00:48:28,307 They did. 685 00:48:44,758 --> 00:48:46,499 [Boyle] Robin and Karen are on the street. 686 00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:48,501 A car goes by, stops. 687 00:48:48,632 --> 00:48:52,331 Carl is in the vehicle with a number of other people. 688 00:48:52,462 --> 00:48:54,943 Carl says, "Come on, get in the car now." 689 00:48:57,554 --> 00:49:00,296 The driver of the car is Carol Fletcher. 690 00:49:00,426 --> 00:49:03,473 She's one of Carl Drew's prostitutes. 691 00:49:03,603 --> 00:49:09,348 Also in the car is Carl Davis and Willie Smith. 692 00:49:09,479 --> 00:49:12,177 Both of them are caught up in the drug culture in Fall River. 693 00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:31,327 [Silvia] Robin's story was that they pulled Karen out of the car. 694 00:49:31,457 --> 00:49:34,721 She punched Karen in the face, ripped her hair out, 695 00:49:34,852 --> 00:49:36,985 ripped all her hair out and threw it on the ground. 696 00:50:05,317 --> 00:50:09,626 [McPhee] Karen, she lived with Robin and they were lovers. They were a couple. 697 00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:14,283 And the fact that Robin Murphy was the one who actually slit her throat... 698 00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:19,244 just goes to show you the level of pure evil. 699 00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:34,520 [Fitzgerald] The state police dogs were hitting on that blood where she was killed, 700 00:50:34,651 --> 00:50:36,305 where her throat was cut and she bled out. 701 00:50:36,435 --> 00:50:40,526 [Silvia] Robin, she was afraid of him. 702 00:50:40,657 --> 00:50:42,441 Robin wasn't afraid of too many people. 703 00:50:51,711 --> 00:50:55,628 [McPhee] Robin says that Carl Drew, the son of Satan, 704 00:50:55,759 --> 00:51:01,504 told them that they had to participate because they were offering her soul to Satan, 705 00:51:01,634 --> 00:51:06,074 and that would somehow indemnify them from any sort of backlash. 706 00:51:19,913 --> 00:51:22,699 [Silvia] We found evidence of where she was dragged 707 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:26,790 over nearly a two mile area. 708 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,968 Parts of her hair, some teeth. 709 00:51:31,099 --> 00:51:34,406 Over that area where she was beaten and dragged before they decapitated her. 710 00:51:37,844 --> 00:51:39,933 [man] The body was never found. 711 00:51:40,064 --> 00:51:43,459 There was rumors that they were playing soccer with her head in the woods. 712 00:51:50,901 --> 00:51:54,252 [Desouto] I was in my early 20s, you know, when this stuff comes out. 713 00:51:54,383 --> 00:51:56,776 It's so shocking. 714 00:51:56,907 --> 00:52:00,128 You know, you're like, how can anybody make this up? 715 00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:08,223 Carl actually kicked her skull after she was decapitated, kicked it in the air. 716 00:52:09,659 --> 00:52:12,009 We could only find the upper portion of her teeth 717 00:52:12,140 --> 00:52:13,489 and the rest of her skull. 718 00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:20,583 We had evidence from others, Carol Fletcher. 719 00:52:20,713 --> 00:52:25,457 [Boyle] Carol Fletcher took a deal for immunity. 720 00:52:25,588 --> 00:52:29,418 The three men were indicted for murder. 721 00:52:31,724 --> 00:52:35,467 Robin, she turned state's evidence. 722 00:52:39,384 --> 00:52:43,823 [female reporter] It is also been revealed that her murder was a ritualistic killing 723 00:52:43,954 --> 00:52:49,264 tied to a satanic cult that exists among prostitutes and pimps in Fall River. 724 00:52:50,743 --> 00:52:55,879 This is somebody who is insanely, barbarically nuts. 725 00:52:56,009 --> 00:53:00,710 And whether he did it to offer souls to Satan 726 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,714 or he did it because he's a deep-rooted evil wackadoodle, 727 00:53:04,844 --> 00:53:07,673 I don't think there's a big difference there. 728 00:53:07,804 --> 00:53:10,502 We were able to determine that there may have been more 729 00:53:10,633 --> 00:53:11,895 than one individual involved in the crime. 730 00:53:12,025 --> 00:53:15,681 [Charigbliss] There was a lot of fear in the city, 731 00:53:15,812 --> 00:53:20,512 as far as, you know, watch where your children are and what they're doing. 732 00:53:22,558 --> 00:53:24,908 I remember my mom being very upset 733 00:53:25,038 --> 00:53:27,432 and praying all the time. 734 00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:40,010 When you hear about that and you say, "Oh, there was satanic worshipping and stuff," 735 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:43,796 you're kind of like... I was wet behind the ears. I thought that was... 736 00:53:43,927 --> 00:53:47,974 That sounds right to me. Yeah. That seems plausible. You know? 737 00:53:48,105 --> 00:53:51,848 Plus, I don't know anything about satanic worship, so... 738 00:53:51,978 --> 00:53:56,505 you could say whatever. You could say they drink a can of chicken noodle soup, 739 00:53:56,635 --> 00:53:58,985 you know, at 6:30 every night, and I... 740 00:53:59,116 --> 00:54:02,598 "All right, if that's what they do, I don't know much about it." You know? 741 00:54:21,921 --> 00:54:26,839 I always had faith in the legal system. I never thought that once would I ever get set up 742 00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:30,278 and framed for a murder that I had nothing to do with. 743 00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:40,766 [man] Lots of people in prison say that they're innocent. 744 00:54:40,897 --> 00:54:44,901 Twenty-five years ago, I met Carl Drew, 745 00:54:45,031 --> 00:54:49,297 fifteen years after he'd been incarcerated. 746 00:54:49,427 --> 00:54:54,954 What sticks it in my craw, what gives me a... 747 00:54:55,085 --> 00:54:58,088 it still gives me a lump in my throat, 748 00:54:58,218 --> 00:55:02,179 is knowing that he remains in prison. 749 00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:05,313 This injustice will haunt me... 750 00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:09,578 until I die, 751 00:55:09,708 --> 00:55:14,104 until he dies, or until he's released. 752 00:55:14,234 --> 00:55:19,631 And I appreciate your efforts to document what happened to Carl. 753 00:55:38,955 --> 00:55:40,870 It was bullshit, it never happened. 754 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,091 [male reporter] Police take away boxes full of bones 755 00:55:45,222 --> 00:55:47,833 and satanic paraphernalia. 756 00:55:47,964 --> 00:55:50,053 "Do you wish to sell your soul to Satan? 757 00:55:50,183 --> 00:55:52,838 Do you drink blood?" According to this note, 758 00:55:52,969 --> 00:55:54,753 these were just a couple of the questions you have to answer 759 00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:56,929 if you wanna be a part of this cult. 760 00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:59,062 It was a made-up story. 761 00:55:59,192 --> 00:56:02,370 It was a made-up story to hide from what the truth was. 762 00:56:03,675 --> 00:56:05,503 [woman] 763 00:56:06,722 --> 00:56:08,854 [man] 764 00:56:08,985 --> 00:56:11,248 [woman] 765 00:56:11,379 --> 00:56:12,902 [McPhee] There's no physical evidence at all 766 00:56:13,032 --> 00:56:14,947 tying Carl Drew to these crimes, 767 00:56:15,078 --> 00:56:17,863 not a single iota of physical evidence. 768 00:56:17,994 --> 00:56:22,607 The night that she was supposed to have been killed, I was at my stepmother's wedding. 769 00:56:24,174 --> 00:56:27,873 I had photos of me there. 770 00:56:28,004 --> 00:56:31,616 Carl Drew had nothing to do with these murders. 771 00:56:31,747 --> 00:56:33,705 [woman] 772 00:56:40,712 --> 00:56:42,758 Everybody knows it. Everybody. 773 00:56:42,888 --> 00:56:47,545 ♪♪♪ 774 00:56:59,035 --> 00:57:04,432 ♪♪♪