1 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:18,309 Yeah! 2 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:20,061 [all clapping] 3 00:00:20,145 --> 00:00:22,605 -I am Vanessa Lachey. -And I'm Nick Lachey. 4 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:25,442 All right. Season two of this experiment 5 00:00:25,525 --> 00:00:27,318 certainly was one wild ride. 6 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,237 [Nick L.] That's right. Six couples fell in love 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,448 and got engaged sight unseen in the pods. 8 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:33,158 Five couples ended up at the altar, 9 00:00:33,241 --> 00:00:35,910 and two said "I do." 10 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:40,040 And it proved, yet again, that love really is blind. 11 00:00:40,623 --> 00:00:42,125 Yes! 12 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,961 I cannot wait to hear how everybody's doing. 13 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:48,840 What's going on, because today, we are joined by the entire cast 14 00:00:48,923 --> 00:00:51,801 to answer every burning question that you're dying to know. 15 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,553 No topic is off-limits. 16 00:00:53,636 --> 00:00:56,306 [Nick L.] All right. So be honest. How are y'all feeling? 17 00:00:57,348 --> 00:00:58,308 Feeling good? 18 00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:00,518 [Vanessa] Anybody nervous? 19 00:01:00,602 --> 00:01:03,521 -I'm nervous. -Okay. You guys are nervous. 20 00:01:03,605 --> 00:01:06,483 -[Deepti] I think we all are. -I'm nervous about how we get edited. 21 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:07,817 That's what you're gonna lead with? 22 00:01:07,901 --> 00:01:10,028 Hey, I'm gonna say what's on everyone's mind. 23 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:11,905 -[Nick L.] So on-brand, Shake. -[Vanessa] So, you know what? 24 00:01:11,988 --> 00:01:13,948 Then this is a good opportunity after a question 25 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:15,325 to clear whatever air you want. 26 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:17,035 Take this opportunity, okay? 27 00:01:17,118 --> 00:01:19,788 -You're first-- [muttering] -[Shake] We're not supposed to fight. 28 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:21,164 -Fight with them. -No, no, no. 29 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:22,832 -All right, so on that note-- -[Mallory] Oh, my God. 30 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,126 -It's good to stand up-- -That was a low blow. 31 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:28,213 You went straight to a victim mode right away. 32 00:01:28,296 --> 00:01:29,631 I'm not a victim, baby. 33 00:01:29,714 --> 00:01:31,925 -That's what you sounded like, though. -[Nick T.] Totally agree. 34 00:01:32,008 --> 00:01:34,886 If you're gonna say something, you're opening up the platform to be ridiculed. 35 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:36,554 Fine! If that's the case, let me finish what I'm saying. 36 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:37,889 We'll clear the air today. Trust me. 37 00:01:37,972 --> 00:01:39,933 We've got a couple sections dedicated to you, my friend. 38 00:01:40,016 --> 00:01:42,519 But I'm going to bring it back around to this. 39 00:01:42,602 --> 00:01:46,898 We know it must have been extremely emotional, as we've just talked about, 40 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:50,819 to watch your stories unfold before the entire world. 41 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:54,739 I want you to know that we obviously saw what everybody else saw. 42 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:57,158 Now that we're here with you today, there are a couple storylines 43 00:01:57,242 --> 00:01:59,661 that the fans really dug into and really want to know more about. 44 00:01:59,744 --> 00:02:05,083 And one person who made her feelings known in the competition early was Natalie. 45 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,712 Shaina, we know you had strong feelings for Shayne. 46 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:13,675 What was it like hearing Natalie brag about her connection to Shayne 47 00:02:13,758 --> 00:02:15,009 right in front of you? 48 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:16,010 It's just awkward. 49 00:02:16,094 --> 00:02:18,221 'Cause obviously, it was very strong between Natalie and Shayne. 50 00:02:18,304 --> 00:02:21,391 And so, I wanted to be respectful. It's just very awkward. 51 00:02:21,474 --> 00:02:24,978 Okay, so was it hard for you then, to kind of hear... 52 00:02:25,061 --> 00:02:26,271 'cause I know at the beginning, 53 00:02:26,354 --> 00:02:28,064 no one knew really who was going after who. 54 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:31,901 And then she came in so excited, beaming, with love and hearts in her eyes. 55 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:33,736 Was it hard for you to hear that? 56 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:35,530 It was-- Yes, it's hard to hear. 57 00:02:35,613 --> 00:02:38,408 But like, at the same time, I was also talking to Kyle, 58 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:41,786 so I was honestly soaking in the whole, entire experiment. 59 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:44,664 I think I definitely should've been way more forthright, and I wasn't. 60 00:02:44,747 --> 00:02:46,583 That's definitely probably my biggest regret. 61 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:48,501 But I think it worked out. 62 00:02:48,585 --> 00:02:51,421 They chose each other, and that's how it happened. 63 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:52,755 That's how it's supposed to be. 64 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:55,258 What's meant to be is meant to be, at the end of the day. 65 00:02:55,925 --> 00:02:56,885 [Nick L.] Well, Shayne. 66 00:02:56,968 --> 00:02:58,386 -[Vanessa] Hi. -I know, big moment. 67 00:02:58,469 --> 00:02:59,971 -How you doing, buddy? -[laughing] Hi. 68 00:03:00,054 --> 00:03:02,265 He's like, "It's coming, it's coming. I'm next." 69 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:05,727 [Nick L.] No, but a big moment for the viewers I think was when 70 00:03:05,810 --> 00:03:08,521 you mistakenly thought Natalie was Shaina, and-- 71 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:11,649 -I want to address that. -I'm going to give you the chance to. 72 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:13,818 But as opposed to apologizing for that mistake, 73 00:03:13,902 --> 00:03:17,989 your response was kind of turn around and just gaslight her. 74 00:03:18,072 --> 00:03:20,950 -[Shayne] Yes, 100%. That's-- -Would you redo that moment? 75 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:24,120 That was easily the biggest mistake I made on the show. 76 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:27,206 I played the victim card right away, and tried to defend myself. 77 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:30,585 That was-- you know, as a man, that's not what you want to do. 78 00:03:30,668 --> 00:03:33,796 I just felt personally attacked because 79 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:38,343 we're listening through a tiny, little microphone through a wall. 80 00:03:38,426 --> 00:03:39,886 You hear it differently. 81 00:03:39,969 --> 00:03:44,432 But I definitely, 100% regret, and I'm honestly ashamed of the fact 82 00:03:44,515 --> 00:03:47,685 that I just went into straight attack mode. 83 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:50,104 I really wish I would have just let her speak. 84 00:03:50,188 --> 00:03:53,775 As she should have. Yeah, 100%. I'm... 85 00:03:53,858 --> 00:03:55,944 -Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yeah. -[Nick L.] No-- 86 00:03:56,027 --> 00:03:57,570 It is. I recognize it. 87 00:03:57,654 --> 00:03:59,322 -[Kyle] We all did it. -[Shayne] It's just... 88 00:03:59,405 --> 00:04:03,034 -[Kyle] We all did it. I've done it. -It was a tough situation I was in. 89 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:05,245 But it's no excuse for what happened. Absolutely not. 90 00:04:05,328 --> 00:04:07,664 I'm also curious, because watching it back, 91 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:10,166 I'm just curious why you would take the approach of asking 92 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,543 -Natalie to be your girlfriend... -Yeah. 93 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:16,089 ...if you were still interested in exploring some other connections. 94 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,967 [Shayne] I got caught in the moment of the situation. 95 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,929 I felt like I needed to, and I wanted to, I guess... 96 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:26,015 assert her, like, this is where I stand and whatnot. 97 00:04:26,099 --> 00:04:28,810 And that's the way I did it. I should not have said that either. 98 00:04:28,893 --> 00:04:31,104 She knew she was number one. 99 00:04:31,187 --> 00:04:34,816 But still, saying the girlfriend comment was completely unnecessary. 100 00:04:34,899 --> 00:04:36,901 [Vanessa] I noticed, again, watching, 101 00:04:36,985 --> 00:04:40,029 it's like different people bring out different... 102 00:04:40,113 --> 00:04:42,949 things in you, right? And I noticed that whenever you would... 103 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:46,911 flirt and talk to Natalie, it definitely seemed to be more on a deeper level. 104 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:50,123 But I also noticed the way that you would flirt with Shaina, 105 00:04:50,206 --> 00:04:52,458 it was like, "What are you wearing?" Every time. 106 00:04:52,542 --> 00:04:55,628 -Without fail. "What are you wearing?" -Crop tops. 107 00:04:55,712 --> 00:04:58,548 [Vanessa] Is that a different-- You definitely had a different dynamic 108 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:00,758 -going on with both of them. -Yeah, 100%. 109 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:02,510 [Vanessa] Two things you were looking to explore? 110 00:05:02,593 --> 00:05:05,263 One was, "I'm having fun." And I get it. I mean, we... dated. 111 00:05:05,346 --> 00:05:08,182 No. The point of the show is to, honestly, find your wife. 112 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:11,311 And a lot of people literally stopped after one person. 113 00:05:11,394 --> 00:05:13,563 -[Vanessa] Yeah. -Okay? It's not like I... 114 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:16,482 I didn't change my mind last minute or anything like that. 115 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:18,067 No, I wanted to explore both situations 116 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:20,069 because they are both completely different. 117 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:24,615 And it was like I had to really figure out which one, I guess... 118 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:27,618 That's not what I mean by that-- 119 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:29,537 -[Shake] Can I say something, Shayne? -Oh, God. 120 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:31,539 Sorry to interrupt you. I... 121 00:05:31,622 --> 00:05:34,500 This show-- I didn't want to lose the thought, I'm sorry. 122 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,295 But this show is about finding a wife? 123 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:42,675 I don't think that's true. This show's about finding love, okay? 124 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:43,926 And the way I see it-- 125 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,471 [Nick T.] As long as she can get on your shoulders. 126 00:05:46,554 --> 00:05:48,264 [Shake] All right. I would like that. 127 00:05:48,347 --> 00:05:49,891 -I stand by that. -And a size zero. 128 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:53,561 Actually, thank you. But I... I stand by that. 129 00:05:53,644 --> 00:05:55,688 Anyway, we all have our preferences. 130 00:05:55,772 --> 00:05:59,025 This show is about finding love. It's not about finding a wife. 131 00:05:59,108 --> 00:06:00,568 It's not about rushing into something 132 00:06:00,651 --> 00:06:02,320 -with like... -[sighing deeply] 133 00:06:02,403 --> 00:06:05,281 skip, skipping, you know, steps like... 134 00:06:05,364 --> 00:06:08,826 you know, three through 20 to get to the end goal. 135 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:10,411 [Iyanna] That's the point of the show. 136 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,246 [Jarrette] That's not what the show's about. 137 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:14,791 [Shake] Okay, maybe that was the point of the show, 138 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:16,918 but like, that's not the takeaway I had. 139 00:06:17,001 --> 00:06:18,878 It's a reasonable takeaway, if I may say so. 140 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:20,713 [Danielle] You read the description? 141 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:21,631 Sorry, it's not clout... 142 00:06:21,714 --> 00:06:23,716 He thinks he'll look better. Let him speak. 143 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,760 [Shake] You don't know what it is until you're there. 144 00:06:25,843 --> 00:06:27,720 I'm thankful for it. It didn't end in marriage-- 145 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:30,389 [Jarrette] The premise is if the connection is strong enough, 146 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:32,975 to marry the person that you have that connection with. 147 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:35,895 I'm not gonna be put in a box where I have to do that. 148 00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:38,189 [Vanessa] Let's move on. 149 00:06:38,272 --> 00:06:40,399 Shayne, you talked with Natalie one way. 150 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:43,653 You talked to Shaina one way. And there's another moment 151 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:45,988 that, in the pods, everybody saw. 152 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:49,534 It's when Shayne thought you were about to propose to Natalie. 153 00:06:49,617 --> 00:06:54,580 By surprise, you had a different visitor with a shocking revelation. 154 00:06:54,664 --> 00:06:56,666 So let's all take a look. 155 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:02,505 I just wanted you to know that I do have deep feelings for you. 156 00:07:05,633 --> 00:07:07,677 I do envision a life with you together. 157 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,639 And I do, honestly, I really do care for you a lot. 158 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:16,436 Yeah. 159 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:20,982 It's like, we wasted so much fucking time the last two days not even talking. 160 00:07:21,065 --> 00:07:23,568 I wished you would have said that, like... 161 00:07:23,651 --> 00:07:25,236 -No, I know. -...days earlier. 162 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:28,739 -I felt the same way. -I took a backseat. I regret it. 163 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:32,952 My pride definitely got in the way. 164 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:35,371 Shaina! Argh! 165 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,290 Argh! 166 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:39,208 [Shayne, whispering] God. Fuck. 167 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:40,835 I know. I'm really sorry. 168 00:07:41,502 --> 00:07:43,463 [exhales sharply] Fuck. 169 00:07:43,546 --> 00:07:46,466 Fuck. I don't even know what to think right now. God. 170 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:50,136 -[Nick L.] So... Natalie. -[Shayne groans] 171 00:07:50,219 --> 00:07:52,722 [Nick L.] 'Cause we're here. Kinda get to the heart of the matter. 172 00:07:52,805 --> 00:07:54,765 -I have to ask you. -You're doing great. 173 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:58,478 [Nick L.] How did it feel watching that on TV for the first time? 174 00:07:58,978 --> 00:08:00,646 I definitely felt... 175 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:07,195 um, like, betrayed by both Shayne and Shaina, quite honestly. 176 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:13,284 The fact Shayne said if you'd told me two days earlier, it could have been, 177 00:08:13,367 --> 00:08:16,454 you know, potentially different. That's not something... 178 00:08:17,538 --> 00:08:20,500 It's not something he was telling me. I felt like... 179 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:22,251 by the last set of days 180 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:25,546 like, he assured me it was just going to be me. It was only me. 181 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:27,757 So seeing that there could have been a change 182 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,426 if he explored another connection was really hard. 183 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,262 But I think with you, Shaina, what you had told me was, 184 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:36,474 you walked in saying you were supportive of our relationship. 185 00:08:36,557 --> 00:08:38,726 And you used to like him, and that was it. 186 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:42,355 So, I just think seeing that, and feeling like you were dishonest, 187 00:08:42,438 --> 00:08:45,149 -was really tough. -I'm sorry for that. I am. 188 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:48,945 When you saw it for the first time, were you surprised at how torn he was 189 00:08:49,028 --> 00:08:50,655 -between the two of you? -Yeah. 190 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:53,199 It was something I truly was not aware of. 191 00:08:53,282 --> 00:08:55,535 [Shayne] This was one of the biggest days of my life 192 00:08:55,618 --> 00:08:56,744 going into it. 193 00:08:56,827 --> 00:08:59,247 And I literally thought I was going to come into a room, 194 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:00,873 proposing to my girl. 195 00:09:00,957 --> 00:09:02,750 And someone else came into that room. 196 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,878 You literally get punched right in the face. 197 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:07,088 -[Vanessa] Yeah. -Okay? 198 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:10,424 I literally blacked out when it happened. Everything that went down, okay? 199 00:09:10,508 --> 00:09:12,385 I've been crucified for this situation. 200 00:09:12,468 --> 00:09:15,137 I could have handled it definitely different. 201 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:18,724 But no one knows what it feels like going in there. 202 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:22,395 My whole mindset was focusing on proposing to Natalie the whole time. 203 00:09:22,478 --> 00:09:25,940 Then, I hear Shaina's voice. And we haven't talked for days. 204 00:09:26,023 --> 00:09:29,610 I'm like... I'm not mad about the situation 205 00:09:29,694 --> 00:09:31,654 but it was my day with Natalie. 206 00:09:31,737 --> 00:09:36,075 I was upset about the fact that it got-- it fucked with my mind a little bit. 207 00:09:36,158 --> 00:09:39,203 That's what it was about. I obviously was very dramatic. 208 00:09:39,287 --> 00:09:41,205 That's just who I am. But like... 209 00:09:42,331 --> 00:09:44,375 I just wish-- Like, that's what it was. 210 00:09:44,458 --> 00:09:45,918 [Vanessa] No, you make a very good point. 211 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:48,796 I actually never thought about your side of it, until just now. 212 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,468 [Kyle] Can we talk about the fact that why was that meeting even a thing? 213 00:09:54,552 --> 00:09:56,596 -Why did that happen? -[Vanessa] I wish I knew. 214 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,598 -I would tell you. -We're totally-- 215 00:09:58,681 --> 00:10:01,684 -[Vanessa] Speaking of Kyle... -[Kyle] We're totally looking to-- 216 00:10:01,767 --> 00:10:04,645 Since you want to be in the conversation, 217 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:07,565 -there was one more person involved... -There was a moment-- 218 00:10:07,648 --> 00:10:12,194 ...in all of this. We're going to take a look back at Kyle and Shaina's proposal. 219 00:10:14,572 --> 00:10:17,241 You're holding my mother's engagement ring. 220 00:10:19,702 --> 00:10:21,495 You remind me so much of my mother. 221 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:27,543 She was very, very religious, 222 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:32,131 and she makes me the happiest. I want someone who resembles her. 223 00:10:33,716 --> 00:10:37,178 So... Shaina. 224 00:10:37,261 --> 00:10:38,512 Will you marry me? 225 00:10:51,359 --> 00:10:52,193 Yes. 226 00:10:53,152 --> 00:10:54,945 Oh, my God. 227 00:10:55,029 --> 00:10:57,323 I'm kind of in shock right now. 228 00:10:58,199 --> 00:11:00,242 -[Nick L.] So Kyle. -[Kyle] Yeah. 229 00:11:00,326 --> 00:11:04,038 I know you're ready to speak. I'm just curious, what was your reaction 230 00:11:04,121 --> 00:11:07,333 to Shaina's face when you finally saw that video? 231 00:11:07,416 --> 00:11:10,211 What did you think was happening on the other side of that wall 232 00:11:10,294 --> 00:11:12,421 when you were actually making your proposal? 233 00:11:12,505 --> 00:11:16,300 I felt like she could have said no. 234 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:19,970 I didn't sense the hesitation in the moment. 235 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:21,806 But looking back, she seemed very hesitant. 236 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:25,643 And then obviously, seeing the meeting with Shayne, that blew my mind. 237 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:27,269 I didn't see that one coming. 238 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:28,354 When did you first find out 239 00:11:28,437 --> 00:11:30,147 that she'd actually had that meeting with Shayne, 240 00:11:30,231 --> 00:11:31,941 -after your proposal? -When I saw it. 241 00:11:32,024 --> 00:11:34,985 [Shake] You didn't know about it from months ago when we talked? 242 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:37,029 -But either way-- -You got to do it. 243 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,573 I didn't understand the point of the meeting. 244 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,784 -Okay. -So I thought it was, like... 245 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:46,330 I thought you just needed some loose ends tied up. 246 00:11:46,414 --> 00:11:49,708 But I didn't think that it was literally asking him, 247 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:51,544 like, this is your last chance. 248 00:11:51,627 --> 00:11:55,423 -No, not at all. That wasn't my intention. -You leveraged, you used me as a backup. 249 00:11:56,257 --> 00:12:00,052 -[Shaina] No, I didn't. -And you were seeing if he would flip 250 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:03,514 last second and ask you to marry him instead of Natalie. 251 00:12:03,597 --> 00:12:04,557 Are you speaking for me? 252 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,517 Are you telling me how I felt? I'm so confused. 253 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,602 -No, I-- -I told you what happened. 254 00:12:08,686 --> 00:12:11,856 -So the fact you're playing this face-- -Why did you want the meeting? 255 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:14,316 -What? -Why did you want the meeting with Shayne? 256 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,778 Honestly, looking back on it, I should have said no right away to you. 257 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:19,280 -Right. -100%. 258 00:12:19,363 --> 00:12:21,198 -But I did feel very-- -No one put a gun 259 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:22,908 to your head to do anything. 260 00:12:22,992 --> 00:12:25,661 No, 100%. I actually do take full ownership. 261 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:28,247 -I could have avoided a bunch of drama. -Yeah. 262 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:30,416 [Shaina] 100%. And I'm owning that. 263 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:32,918 Um... I... 264 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:35,796 'Cause I would never think to do that to you. I mean... 265 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,841 I would never think, "Oh, I just got engaged. 266 00:12:38,924 --> 00:12:41,385 But let me give one more try to somebody else." 267 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:43,304 I wasn't giving a try. It was part of my process. 268 00:12:43,387 --> 00:12:46,432 Again, this was an experiment. I didn't know what I was feeling. 269 00:12:46,515 --> 00:12:48,017 I do... It was part of... 270 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:51,103 -I couldn't move forward... -The odds were better-- 271 00:12:51,187 --> 00:12:55,107 ...unless I was honest with Shayne. Which again, I apologize to Natalie. 272 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,651 I'm so sorry that I downplayed the situation to you. 273 00:12:57,735 --> 00:12:59,445 I wish I would've been more forthright. Again. 274 00:12:59,528 --> 00:13:02,281 Being more forthright, I own that. 100%. 275 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:07,870 Um... When I said yes, I think I just felt... 276 00:13:07,953 --> 00:13:10,998 very confused in the pod, okay? 277 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:12,458 I... 278 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:17,880 felt a little manipulated by you bringing out your mother's engagement ring. 279 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:21,717 How special you should have felt. I would be so honored. 280 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,761 -That means-- -That's why I couldn't go through with it 281 00:13:23,844 --> 00:13:26,180 though 'cause I can't wear your mother's engagement ring. 282 00:13:26,263 --> 00:13:27,348 Like, I don't know. I just felt-- 283 00:13:27,431 --> 00:13:29,016 -That's ridiculous. -I own it though. 284 00:13:29,099 --> 00:13:31,060 It's like I'm not going to play victim in this situation. 285 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:34,230 I could've avoided a lot by just saying no. I definitely should've said no. 286 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:36,857 I was very confused. And again, I did have feelings for you. 287 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,068 It wasn't like I did not care about you. 288 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:43,030 And I'm really sorry that it was led on more than it should have been. 289 00:13:43,113 --> 00:13:45,157 -I'm sorry. -[Shake] Can we just say... 290 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:48,994 -off the record that... -Oh, my God. 291 00:13:49,078 --> 00:13:53,332 ...the drive to continue on the show was a driving factor, I think? 292 00:13:53,415 --> 00:13:55,209 -[Kyle] For you. -Not for me at all. 293 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,795 -Oh, my God. -For Shaina and Kyle maybe? 294 00:13:57,878 --> 00:14:00,172 -Sometimes it's okay-- -No, if someone said, 295 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:02,424 -if you said no-- -Why does he have to-- 296 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:05,511 -[Nick L.] There's no "off the record." -Off the record of what? 297 00:14:05,594 --> 00:14:08,973 If it had been about appearance, it would have looked way more better 298 00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:10,975 -on my side if I'd said no right away. -[Kyle] Totally. 299 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:13,310 If you had just said no, it would have saved so much trouble. 300 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:14,520 [Shaina] Yeah, 100%. 301 00:14:14,603 --> 00:14:17,231 -[Vanessa] Shayne, you seem horrified. -You all right, man? 302 00:14:17,314 --> 00:14:19,942 I just can't believe the words that are coming out of his mouth. 303 00:14:20,734 --> 00:14:22,778 -Someone-- -I keeps it real. 304 00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:26,532 No, that's not real, man. That's just bad. It's just so bad, man. 305 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:28,492 -You gotta stop-- -I'ma tell all. 306 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:30,911 I'm gonna say what everyone's thinking at home. 307 00:14:30,995 --> 00:14:33,414 -No one is thinking that. -No, no, no. 308 00:14:33,497 --> 00:14:36,292 -I'd have done myself a big favor-- -It would have been better-- 309 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:38,627 Do not put me in your words at all. 310 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,379 -Ever. -All right, you stay out of this. 311 00:14:40,462 --> 00:14:42,047 -[Shayne] Okay? -I unfollowed you 312 00:14:42,131 --> 00:14:43,799 'cause you're so unbearable. 313 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,635 You think everybody thinks the same way as you. 314 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:47,761 And that's the problem. 315 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,722 -No one thinks the way you think. -No one. 316 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:51,015 [Shake] I wouldn't go that far. 317 00:14:51,098 --> 00:14:53,142 -[Nick T.] And it hurts people. -I think there's a happy medium. 318 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:55,185 -You hurt people. -No, maybe like 1%. 319 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:58,314 I have, if I may, I'll say one statement. 320 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:00,733 -And hopefully I'll shut up after that. -[Danielle] Please don't. 321 00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:02,651 [Shake] Wouldn't you like that? I think we'd all like that. 322 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:05,237 I think we'd all like it if I'd shut up after this statement, right? 323 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:06,947 I think we'd like it if you shut up in general. 324 00:15:07,031 --> 00:15:08,407 [Danielle] Now. Please just stop now. 325 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:13,120 Listen, I'll be honest with you guys. This has been an incredible experience. 326 00:15:13,203 --> 00:15:16,165 But I've had a very tough time taking it seriously. 327 00:15:16,248 --> 00:15:18,876 [Salvador] That's not our experience in this experiment. 328 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:22,171 It's still an experiment, but we all had our own experience. 329 00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:23,505 You can't speak for everybody. 330 00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:27,635 I was hoping to, just for a moment, say mine, and then... 331 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,553 I know, man, but you're interrupting a lot of people 332 00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:31,305 and hurting a lot of people right now 333 00:15:31,388 --> 00:15:32,765 when you're not even involved... 334 00:15:32,848 --> 00:15:34,892 [Nick L.] There is no right or wrong way to find love. 335 00:15:34,975 --> 00:15:36,936 There's zero right or wrong way. 336 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:39,480 If they found it, and they're happy for the rest of their lives... 337 00:15:39,563 --> 00:15:40,689 [Shake] Absolutely. 338 00:15:41,231 --> 00:15:42,316 [Vanessa] So, we'll take a beat. 339 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,820 I want to know if it's safe to say for the moment we have moved on 340 00:15:46,904 --> 00:15:51,825 from that "quadfecta," I guess. Is that what I can call it? 341 00:15:51,909 --> 00:15:54,244 -It was a triangle, quadfecta. -[Iyanna] A square. 342 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:57,331 But y'all good? Because I'm about to bring up another love triangle. 343 00:15:57,414 --> 00:15:58,624 -God, here we go. -[Vanessa] Hey, girl. 344 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:00,960 -Hi. -[Vanessa] I'm loving this hair, Iyanna. 345 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:02,920 -Thank you. -You look beautiful. 346 00:16:03,003 --> 00:16:07,216 You were already beautiful on the inside. Then we saw your beauty on the outside. 347 00:16:07,299 --> 00:16:08,175 Thank you. 348 00:16:08,258 --> 00:16:10,302 So, you saw a lot of things for the first time too. 349 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:13,263 What was it like for you to watch him and Mallory, 350 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:16,934 and watch that, "I was going to proposal" episode 351 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:20,062 -when you saw it in real time? -I won't say hurtful. 352 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:24,149 Just because I kind of... I knew something like that could happen. 353 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:29,029 But just extremely awkward. Almost re-traumatizing. But... 354 00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:31,573 -Did you guys watch it together? -No. I know I couldn't. 355 00:16:31,657 --> 00:16:32,950 -No? -I know I couldn't. 356 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:35,828 At the end of the day, throughout this experiment, 357 00:16:35,911 --> 00:16:39,790 we're put in this box, and we're being open and being vulnerable. 358 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:43,419 We all know you could potentially make connections, and strong connections, 359 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:46,005 with multiple people. I still came to Iyanna. 360 00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:49,299 I was open and honest with her. I let her know and tried to reassure her 361 00:16:49,383 --> 00:16:52,970 that even though I did this, there would never ever be a chance 362 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:55,097 where you feel like you're runner-up or second place to nobody. 363 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,391 [Vanessa] I mean, look. Nick? I'm his second wife. 364 00:16:57,474 --> 00:16:59,101 So his journey led him to me. 365 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:00,853 And he's my person. 366 00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:02,062 That was our journey. 367 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,898 I never thought I would be someone's second wife. 368 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:06,316 -Know what I mean? -Yeah. 369 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,278 I found this guy. This is how it was supposed to be. 370 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:11,822 This is how our love story was supposed to pan out. 371 00:17:11,905 --> 00:17:13,699 Then we add the physical layer. 372 00:17:13,782 --> 00:17:15,784 Then you get to see people. You're like, "Oh, my gosh." 373 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,413 And so, there was a moment when Jarrette and Mallory 374 00:17:19,496 --> 00:17:21,582 finally had a chance to meet in person. 375 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:24,918 And it turns out that all that glitters wasn't gold. 376 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:26,920 Let's watch. 377 00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:31,675 -I'm such a guy's girl. -Hence why the fuck we connected. 378 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:36,513 But most men, though, into sports and things like that, 379 00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:39,349 or that connect me in that aspect, 380 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,769 they don't put me in priority. 381 00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:47,232 They don't know how to fucking be like, "Hey, you're a bad bitch. 382 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:51,236 Let me... like, you're beautiful, let me do things for you. 383 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,280 Let me, like, you're gorgeous." 384 00:17:53,363 --> 00:17:55,491 -I don't even need that. -I knew that. 385 00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:57,493 [Mallory] But once in a fucking while. 386 00:17:57,576 --> 00:17:58,827 I would've did that. 387 00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:01,080 You're amazing. 388 00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:06,835 Listen, JerBear. 389 00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:08,962 Mal Mal. 390 00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:13,092 That's a nice ring. 391 00:18:13,175 --> 00:18:15,135 That's not the ring you wanted. 392 00:18:15,219 --> 00:18:16,303 I know. 393 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:18,639 You wanted gold. 394 00:18:18,722 --> 00:18:19,848 You wanted gold. 395 00:18:20,557 --> 00:18:21,850 You're so funny. 396 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,352 You don't like that ring. 397 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,145 I know you don't. 398 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,064 You like gold rings, don't you? 399 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,108 I do. [laughs] 400 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:33,403 Know how I know? Because I asked you. 401 00:18:36,406 --> 00:18:38,283 [Vanessa] Okay. Well, now, I feel like the ass. 402 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:40,536 Because I asked you if you watched it with him. 403 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:42,538 You said no. And here we are, putting it on blast 404 00:18:42,621 --> 00:18:43,789 with y'all together. 405 00:18:43,872 --> 00:18:47,000 What was that like for you-- that part-- when you watched it for the first time? 406 00:18:47,584 --> 00:18:50,379 'Cause you were also there, and then you heard, after the fact, 407 00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:51,588 everything that was said. 408 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,799 So, that part was actually hurtful. 409 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:57,219 Everything pre-proposal, it's like I completely understand. 410 00:18:57,302 --> 00:19:01,515 Everything after... was extremely hurtful for me to watch. 411 00:19:01,598 --> 00:19:04,059 [Nick L.] Have you and Mallory had a chance to... 412 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,936 -discuss that? -[Iyanna] We've spoken. 413 00:19:06,019 --> 00:19:09,982 But if I'm honest, like, none of my anger went toward Mal. 414 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:12,985 It all went toward Jarrette because he's my partner. 415 00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:16,572 He's the one who owes me loyalty. Mal doesn't owe me anything. 416 00:19:16,655 --> 00:19:18,157 I was pretty upset. 417 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,284 -You guys talked about it? -Yeah. 418 00:19:20,367 --> 00:19:23,537 It was definitely a very inappropriate conversation. 419 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:26,415 I think, at that point, I had chosen Iyanna. 420 00:19:26,498 --> 00:19:29,001 And I was very safe in my choice. 421 00:19:29,084 --> 00:19:31,128 And having that conversation should have never happened, 422 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:33,130 or I could have tailored it a different way. 423 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:36,300 And I want definitely to apologize to you for making it look like, 424 00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:39,678 making you look crazy. I never want to do that ever again. 425 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:42,055 And that conversation should have never happened. 426 00:19:42,139 --> 00:19:43,432 Thank you. 427 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:45,017 [Nick L.] I know it's uncomfortable to watch. 428 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:47,269 It's uncomfortable for me to watch, sitting next to you guys. 429 00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:49,897 I can only imagine how uncomfortable it is for the two of you. 430 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:53,692 That was like chapter two in a book that you guys are still writing 431 00:19:53,775 --> 00:19:56,695 and will write for the rest of your lives. But I do have to ask Sal, 432 00:19:56,778 --> 00:20:00,324 because you were the fourth counterpart of that equation. 433 00:20:00,407 --> 00:20:03,452 How did watching that, how did that make you feel? 434 00:20:03,535 --> 00:20:05,412 [Salvador] It was really uncomfortable. 435 00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:07,539 Guys, that was disrespectful of y'all. 436 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:11,627 Either one of you could have stopped that conversation immediately. 437 00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:15,839 -But I... -And Jarrette, I appreciate-- hold on. 438 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:18,175 I appreciate you saying those things too, man. 439 00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:20,385 But you told me it was a fucking joke, bro. 440 00:20:20,469 --> 00:20:21,720 It 100% was a joke. 441 00:20:21,803 --> 00:20:23,347 -Then why-- -It was an inappropriate joke. 442 00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:26,266 It was an inappropriate joke, for sure. But it was a joke. 443 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:28,727 Cool, man. It would have been nice to know that though. 444 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:30,979 I'll apologize to you. I'll be a man. 445 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:35,359 Because I had no reason to downplay the situation or anything like that. 446 00:20:35,442 --> 00:20:40,030 But it was a joke, taken out of context. A bad joke. I apologize. 447 00:20:40,113 --> 00:20:42,199 The ring that you got her was still a beautiful ring. 448 00:20:42,282 --> 00:20:45,452 You know, but I should have never even inserted that comment 449 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:46,745 into that conversation. 450 00:20:47,788 --> 00:20:49,164 I appreciate that, man. 451 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:52,709 For the sake of this, and for the sake of your guys' marriage, 452 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,545 I forgive you, dude. Easy, quick. Yeah. 453 00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,464 -You wanted to say something, Mal? -Just tell me. 454 00:20:57,547 --> 00:21:01,843 That was a very, very hard situation 455 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:03,845 to be in, and conversation. 456 00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:05,931 It was the first time seeing everybody. 457 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:08,767 And literally, coming from the pods, 458 00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:13,063 after that emotional-ass, like, interaction, 459 00:21:13,146 --> 00:21:17,484 and then not even having any chance to like... to talk, 460 00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:20,237 to just be like, "Hey, how are you feeling?" 461 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,907 So going into that, I was extremely nervous and anxious. 462 00:21:23,991 --> 00:21:28,370 Because I knew that this was going to be a conversation that had to happen. 463 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,707 I definitely apologize to Iyanna, 464 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:35,168 because that conversation went on longer than it should have. 465 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:38,255 Unfortunately, I took a couple shots before that because I was nervous as shit. 466 00:21:38,338 --> 00:21:44,094 I still think it was inappropriate to have that when we were on our honeymoon. 467 00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:47,264 What kind of investment is that in our relationship? 468 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:51,893 I was fully invested in my choice and my decision. 469 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:57,441 I just felt like after the emotional conversation we had, 470 00:21:57,524 --> 00:21:59,026 we never really got to talk. 471 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,320 It was a very inappropriate conversation 472 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:03,947 that could have been tailored a different way. I own that. 473 00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:06,325 -[Nick L.] Well said. -I don't want to stir any pots 474 00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:08,702 or anything, and Mallory, I know that... 475 00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:10,495 we gave it an honest shot. 476 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:11,413 I know. 477 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,833 [Nick L.] Safe to say that a lot happened in Mexico. 478 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:18,420 But eventually, finally, our six engaged couples left the getaways 479 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:19,713 and headed back for home. 480 00:22:19,796 --> 00:22:22,132 For some, their bond only grew closer. 481 00:22:22,215 --> 00:22:24,051 But for others, the impact of the real world 482 00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:25,552 had them crashing harder 483 00:22:25,635 --> 00:22:27,054 than Sal trying to carry Mal into the ocean. 484 00:22:27,137 --> 00:22:28,513 [chuckling] 485 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:30,474 -My swim shoes, guys! -[Nick L.] We can laugh about it now. 486 00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:32,934 -My swim shoes! -We can laugh about it now. 487 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:37,064 Let's go and check in with one of our couples who made it to the altar, 488 00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:41,318 with two "I do's", Nick and Danielle! Congrats, guys. 489 00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:42,569 [cheering] 490 00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:45,280 [Vanessa] I don't think we need to ask if you're still married, 491 00:22:45,363 --> 00:22:47,699 because you guys are already coordinating. 492 00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:51,536 I mean, we didn't even plan this with Jarrette and Iyanna. 493 00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:53,830 -No way! -The J's, you know what I'm saying? 494 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:55,791 [Deepti] I want to join the throuple over here. 495 00:22:55,874 --> 00:22:56,958 [Vanessa] I love it. 496 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:58,835 -Still blissful? -[Danielle & Nick T.] Yeah. 497 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:01,254 It's... It's been a-- It's like crazy 498 00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:05,592 because I think that the pressure of saying "I do", 499 00:23:05,675 --> 00:23:10,013 or "I don't" had us in this, like, pressure cooker. 500 00:23:10,097 --> 00:23:13,100 Where we were constantly getting in these disagreements 501 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:16,686 where we were really just trying to figure out whether or not it would work. 502 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,481 And then, once we actually got into the real life, 503 00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:24,569 a lot of the disagreements that we had ended up being nonexistent. 504 00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:27,781 I feel what the show did in the experiment, if you will, 505 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:30,992 was give you the building blocks to... You had a disagreement, 506 00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:35,330 then, for the sake of continuing on with the experiment, you had to come back. 507 00:23:35,413 --> 00:23:37,499 -You had to solve that disagreement. -Yeah. 508 00:23:37,582 --> 00:23:39,751 I don't think disagreements ever, at least, in my experience, 509 00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:41,002 -they never stop. -Why are you pointing at me? 510 00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,880 Well, because we disagree. I think it's actually a healthy thing. 511 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,384 I think if you don't ever disagree, then one of two of you is compromising 512 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:49,469 in a way that eventually is going to boil over. 513 00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:51,471 [Vanessa] Neither of us is giving in. 514 00:23:51,555 --> 00:23:55,684 As long as it's worth the argument, I think arguments can be a positive thing. 515 00:23:55,767 --> 00:23:58,770 You know, one of the things that we've learned, 516 00:23:58,854 --> 00:24:00,689 and it's really helped us with our communication, 517 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:03,275 is to listen more, and talk less. 518 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:08,488 I know one of my faults is, I'm a fixer. So when there's a problem, I'm like, 519 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:10,157 "Okay." I go into fix mode. 520 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,326 This is something we learned in couples therapy together, 521 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,745 I go into fix mode, I want to fix it. 522 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:19,207 She just wants me to understand she's feeling this way. Not fix it. 523 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:23,253 So, I'm constantly trying to remind myself, "Nick, you don't have to fix this. 524 00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:24,838 You just have to listen." 525 00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:27,257 [Vanessa] So did you, Danielle, move in with Nick? 526 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,466 -Yeah. -In his place? 527 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,886 -Yeah. -Is all the furniture intact? 528 00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:34,139 -[laughter] -Okay, so... No, no! 529 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:36,516 [Danielle] What I have to say is, 530 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,562 he must have a lot sturdier furniture than I do. No, I'm not kidding. 531 00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:43,106 Don't go there. 532 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:45,150 I'm the sex addict of the show, I get it. 533 00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:47,861 That has actually also happened, sorry. 534 00:24:47,944 --> 00:24:49,779 It's the only way to test it. 535 00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:52,949 No, but we have dance parties, and I'm not kidding, 536 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:54,659 he gets on the table before I do. 537 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:58,246 To be clear, the island in the center is granite. 538 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:02,083 -So it's a little bit stronger. -He dances on more tables than I do. 539 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:05,337 You were a little critical of that going through the show... 540 00:25:05,420 --> 00:25:09,049 I don't mind dancing on tables. I don't want broken tables. 541 00:25:09,132 --> 00:25:12,594 I buy very cheap furniture. That's my bad. 542 00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:16,097 Let's look at a home video from the new Thompson household. 543 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:20,227 [Danielle] Hi! Hello! 544 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,604 [Nick T.] Hi! Hello! 545 00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:26,399 -I haven't seen you... -[Danielle] Oh, good, good. 546 00:25:26,483 --> 00:25:28,568 [Danielle] Okay, so we're going to show you around. 547 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:33,156 -We have Wiz. Hello! -[Nick T.] Ready for the spotlight. 548 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,951 [Danielle] Oh, now she's ready. Hello, Wizzy. 549 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,702 -[barks] -[Danielle chuckles] 550 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,081 [Danielle] So they're not best friends yet. 551 00:25:41,164 --> 00:25:42,749 But I really do think they're getting there. 552 00:25:42,832 --> 00:25:46,670 [Nick T.] Rock Band. I'm not any better at it. No hand-eye coordination. 553 00:25:46,753 --> 00:25:49,506 [Danielle] No, but it's good for me 'cause it makes me feel confident 554 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:50,674 I can always win. 555 00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:53,718 We still haven't figured out where to put all my clothes. 556 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:56,221 They're all kind of scattered in there, unfortunately. 557 00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,306 -But... -[Nick T.] We're making progress. 558 00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:02,227 [Danielle] We are making progress. I have a rack here. 559 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:04,813 Costumes here, at least. 560 00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:09,651 And it turns out, he likes costumes just as much as I do. 561 00:26:10,485 --> 00:26:11,653 Would you take a look at that? 562 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:14,114 Uh-huh. Would you take a look at that? 563 00:26:14,197 --> 00:26:16,574 [Nick T.] ...I sweat more than I did during our wedding. 564 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:19,494 [Danielle] Here's our little table where we like to collect memories. 565 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:24,291 It's very cute. 566 00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:27,210 [Nick T.] Combination of Christmas presents, trip memorabilia. 567 00:26:27,294 --> 00:26:29,254 [Danielle] Some shots from Mexico. 568 00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:32,090 [Nick T.] And then... that. 569 00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:34,009 [Danielle] So over Christmas, 570 00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:38,596 his uncle surprised me with his great-grandma's wedding ring. 571 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,724 It felt like I was proposed to all over again. 572 00:26:40,807 --> 00:26:42,267 -By you! -[both laugh] 573 00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:45,437 -That's so cute. -That's so pretty. 574 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,563 [Nick L.] That's awesome. 575 00:26:46,646 --> 00:26:49,691 Well, guys, we are so, so happy that you guys are doing so well. 576 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:53,778 Congrats again on being almost a year into a beautiful marriage. Congrats, guys. 577 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:54,696 [Nick T.] Thank you. 578 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,574 Everyone's going through this. 579 00:26:57,657 --> 00:26:58,658 Yeah. 580 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:03,330 Now, guys, I want to move on to a couple who gave us some great music. 581 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:05,874 But in the end, decided to part ways. 582 00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:09,502 And Sal, I got to say, musician to musician, 583 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:13,173 there was some truly great music that I saw throughout the show. 584 00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:15,675 Let's give it up for Mallory and Salvador. 585 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:16,634 Woo-hoo! 586 00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:23,641 So you two said no at the altar. But it looked like at the end, 587 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:27,645 when you came out, there was some chat about potentially 588 00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:30,857 seeing each other, and seeing if there was something there, 589 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:34,277 and seeing if you guys would continue this relationship. 590 00:27:34,361 --> 00:27:35,737 Did that happen? 591 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,323 Yeah. We met for coffee, and we chatted. 592 00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:41,117 But I think, at the end of the day, we... 593 00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:44,037 I don't know, the connection just wasn't really... 594 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,790 there, and we just kind of understood that we were... 595 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:51,461 maybe it didn't make sense to really continue on. 596 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:53,588 -Yeah. -Yeah. I feel like... 597 00:27:53,671 --> 00:27:56,674 of all the couples this season, for whatever reason, 598 00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:59,260 you two were the hardest for me to figure out. 599 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,638 It always seemed like there was a little bit more going on, you know, 600 00:28:01,721 --> 00:28:05,100 behind the scenes than I was able to kinda wrap my head around. 601 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:11,564 There were just things that happened like... 602 00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:16,694 that I just don't really feel comfortable saying, 'cause it's pointless now. 603 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,572 Like, it's our history. You know? Like, I just... 604 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,326 Call it karma, call it whatever, 605 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,371 but it's just like, I don't, I just don't think it's necessary to say. 606 00:28:26,454 --> 00:28:29,124 -Good man. -[Mallory] I honestly think... 607 00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:33,461 we shared a very strong connection really because of this experiment, 608 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:36,047 but we're very different, like... 609 00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,967 I think in the way that we... 610 00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:42,470 really communicated, or operated, 611 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:43,638 a lot of times... 612 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:48,977 disagreements because we weren't communicating necessarily the right way. 613 00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:54,858 And... that's kind of really, yeah-- 614 00:28:54,941 --> 00:28:57,569 Can I just say, Mal? And I'll put it this way. 615 00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:00,905 There were many times that I also just felt unheard. 616 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,786 In our arguments, and I'll keep that to ourselves. 617 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,955 But our arguments, I felt unheard. 618 00:29:10,915 --> 00:29:13,668 I'm really sorry if I made you feel that way. 619 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,587 -That was never-- -And I forgive you. 620 00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:17,672 Because again, it's in the past. 621 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,048 It's okay. 622 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:20,383 May I? Two things. 623 00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:23,344 Number one, your situation with Jarrette. 624 00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:26,055 That whole situation, and the aftermath of that, 625 00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:27,849 I think that was an uncomfortable thing. 626 00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:32,228 Number two, your ex-girlfriend. I think, in your shoes, 627 00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:34,439 that's going to sour a relationship. 628 00:29:34,522 --> 00:29:37,776 Once you shatter the vase, you can't put it back together. 629 00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:40,195 [Natalie] Shake, who are you to provide that reason? 630 00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:42,489 -You don't have insight-- -I'm saying my opinion. 631 00:29:42,572 --> 00:29:45,450 -It wasn't my girlfriend, either. -Whatever it was, it was soured. 632 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,160 Whether it was on purpose or not. 633 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:50,747 Shake, he just said he does not want to air out dirty laundry. 634 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,333 Why do you feel the need to come in and say that? 635 00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:55,418 'Cause we're at a reunion where we're supposed to-- 636 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,378 -[Natalie] No. -We're not supposed to do anything. 637 00:29:57,462 --> 00:29:59,339 [Natalie] The point of this is not to-- 638 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:00,924 It's for us to tell our stories 639 00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:03,760 and what we thought watching the show, not for you to-- 640 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:06,221 I'm completely wrong. It had nothing to do with those two things, then. 641 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,847 [Jarrette] You're just trying to break people down. 642 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:09,307 I'm not trying to break people down. 643 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:12,894 I'm trying to put it out in the open. Because what I've seen-- 644 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:13,978 Shut up, Shayne. 645 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:17,857 What I've seen is a bunch of people that were so real in the beginning 646 00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:20,401 turn fake as fuck as we've gone through this. 647 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,320 -You've been the fakest-- -Are you kidding? 648 00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:24,656 -I'm the realest, Jarrette. -Don't start that. 649 00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:26,533 I say the facts. I keep it 100, bro. 650 00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:29,202 -You're the fakest-- -I've always kept it completely 100. 651 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:31,037 Come on, dawg. Don't do that. 652 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,665 -Yeah. We can. We can do that. -Because you're not. 653 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:36,334 [Jarrette] You're not. You came on here for all the wrong reasons. 654 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,545 And you know that. Everybody can see through how shallow you are. 655 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:41,506 -[scoffs] You think so? -Yeah. I know so. 656 00:30:41,589 --> 00:30:42,632 Absolutely. 657 00:30:42,715 --> 00:30:46,469 Bro, we all have our preferences. I won't apologize for that. 658 00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:50,390 Okay? I will be honest about what those things are. 659 00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:52,517 -Joke. -Let's get back on track. 660 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,060 -Shall we? Can we? -A joke. 661 00:30:54,143 --> 00:30:58,231 Since we're in the business of Shake now, let's move on to our next couple. 662 00:30:58,314 --> 00:30:59,482 -Okay. -Shall we? 663 00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:01,150 The whole point of Love is Blind 664 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:04,612 is to fall in love with someone based on who they are on the inside. 665 00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:10,285 A task not everyone seemed to understand, and yes, I am looking at you, Shake. 666 00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:12,453 -[Shake] Yeah. -Let's take a look back. 667 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:15,665 [Shake] I love buying clothes for girls. 668 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:17,208 What's your size? 669 00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:19,085 [laughing] What the fuck? 670 00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:21,379 Do you like working out? 671 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:23,631 -Not a huge fan. -Really? 672 00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:24,674 Yep. 673 00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:28,136 I get along best with individuals that do work out. 674 00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:34,350 If we were to be at a music festival, do you like being on a guy's shoulders? 675 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,061 Yeah. You're up for the challenge? You can pick me up? 676 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:40,315 Yeah, but will I have trouble picking you up? 677 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:45,945 So she's the number-one hype girl, and so fucking fun. 678 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:47,572 I'm not physically attracted to her. 679 00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:50,533 It feels like I'm with my aunt or something. 680 00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,285 Don't laugh at that. 681 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:57,999 I feel like I'm with a family member sometimes. 682 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,962 So Shake, right out of the gate I think the question that I have to ask, 683 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:07,216 and probably a lot of people are wondering is why did you do Love is Blind? 684 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,469 I'll put it to you like this. Listen... 685 00:32:09,552 --> 00:32:11,888 I know I'm not the most liked person on this show. 686 00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:14,307 But I'm going to keep it real with myself. 687 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:17,060 -This is my chance to talk, so if I may. -[Nick L.] Please do. 688 00:32:17,143 --> 00:32:23,483 It's not that different than making a huge purchase. 689 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:27,236 -Maybe by-- if I may? -No, you may. I had to giggle. 690 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,697 Because it's marriage and a purchase. Okay. 691 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:33,201 Marriage, think of it as the ultimate purchase, then, if you will. 692 00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:37,205 The ultimate commitment, if you will. 693 00:32:37,288 --> 00:32:39,958 Before you make this type of commitment, 694 00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:43,127 I feel like you have to read the fine print on that. 695 00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:47,423 So, when we're in a situation where the stakes are so big... 696 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,718 I want to make sure this thing works. 697 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:54,305 I wanted more than anything for this to work. 698 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:59,602 And for me, that meant I knew at least a certain physical body type, 699 00:32:59,686 --> 00:33:01,229 to get me in the ballpark. 700 00:33:01,312 --> 00:33:05,149 I'm not talking about she has to be 5'2". This, this, this, this. 701 00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,610 I'm talking about I want this shit to work. 702 00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:09,529 If I were to marry somebody, 703 00:33:09,612 --> 00:33:13,992 and, and, you know, there was a big weight discrepancy, 704 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,995 it would be very hard for me to get past that. 705 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:20,456 When I'm in a situation like that, I want to get past that. 706 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,125 I was ready to get deep. 707 00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:25,586 I wanted to know if we're going to do this, 708 00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:29,716 I'm going to make sure I do everything in my power to ask my questions. 709 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,927 I want this shit to work. Nobody wanted it as bad as me. 710 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:34,846 Despite what you may think. 711 00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:37,890 I think you were on, if I may, the wrong show. 712 00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:39,434 And what I mean by that is, 713 00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:41,728 there are shows where they are based on their looks. 714 00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:43,062 And if they have a connection. 715 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:46,858 But what I'm saying is you need to open your heart to a bigger picture. 716 00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:47,859 Because at the end of the day, 717 00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:50,319 what if she's mangled in an accident? What if she gains weight? 718 00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:53,156 What if she loses her hair, legs, and her arms? Are you not gonna love her anymore? 719 00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:56,075 -That's different. -I hope to God if I'm mangled, 720 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,536 knock on fucking wood, this man stands by my side. 721 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:00,955 I know he will. Because he loves me for me. 722 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,167 So the problem I have, Shake, is that you sat there 723 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,252 and berated every single one of these woman physically, 724 00:34:06,335 --> 00:34:07,545 and then went through the process 725 00:34:07,628 --> 00:34:08,880 with this beautiful soul over here-- 726 00:34:08,963 --> 00:34:10,381 -She is a beautiful soul. -Because you wanted 727 00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:12,383 someone you wanted to fuck. Not fall in love with. 728 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:13,760 I didn't even do that! 729 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:16,512 -That's the point! -If you think that's my goal, 730 00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:18,598 -you're very wrong. -You just said that, babe! 731 00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:21,642 No, I didn't. You twisted that around. 732 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:24,145 I did. I'm sorry. I'm heated. Let me change the subject. 733 00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:27,190 -Whoa, change the subject? -Ladies. It's still on you, babe. 734 00:34:27,273 --> 00:34:29,484 -Let me ask... -You just changed the subject. 735 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:32,320 Were you not-- What you were looking for 736 00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:34,614 sounds to me like the conventional dating world. 737 00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:36,616 -No, it's not. -What were you missing 738 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:39,327 in the conventional dating world that you felt like you could find here? 739 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:41,245 I want the emotional connection. 740 00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:44,999 Everything that we know the show is supposed to do. 741 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:51,172 But there's also certain criteria there that goes beyond the emotional connection. 742 00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:55,510 -This show establishes-- -Love is not purely blind to me. 743 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,763 Great. But then that's why I said you're on the wrong dating show. 744 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:01,933 -That's all I said. -I want it to be partially blind. 745 00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:04,936 I want it to be "Love is Blurry." "Love is Blurry." 746 00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:06,896 Why don't you start "Love is Blurry." 747 00:35:06,979 --> 00:35:09,232 Get Netflix on the show. Spinoff. "Love is Blurry." 748 00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:12,151 All I'm trying to say is, my friend, this show is Love is Blind. 749 00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:13,528 I actually watched this. 750 00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:15,530 I thought I started to see a change in you. 751 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:16,697 -There was. -I really did. 752 00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,116 -There's no change. -There was. 753 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,327 I actually was like, "Oh, shit. Is he really looking inward?" 754 00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:25,123 Is he really seeing maybe what his faults were 755 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,250 and what he wanted, and what he needed. 756 00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:29,127 I'm doubling down actually on the beginning. 757 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:31,212 You were lying through the middle of the show? 758 00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:35,508 We all have our physical preferences. Every woman here is beautiful. 759 00:35:35,591 --> 00:35:38,511 I think you're all beautiful. I'm not attracted to all of you. 760 00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:40,680 Unfortunately, the only one I'm attracted to is Vanessa. 761 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:42,932 -Oh, my gosh. -And I wish I wasn't! 762 00:35:43,015 --> 00:35:44,976 And I wish I wasn't. The point is, it's not a choice. 763 00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:47,311 [Vanessa] And I've done nothing but berate you this entire time. 764 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,148 -That's a messed-up relationship. -That's what I'm saying. I don't want to. 765 00:35:50,231 --> 00:35:52,692 -[Vanessa] So let's be better. -You don't choose. 766 00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:54,777 It's nature, baby. We're animals. 767 00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:56,821 -We're animals. -No, you treat animals. 768 00:35:56,904 --> 00:35:58,865 -We're human beings. -Oh, shit! 769 00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:00,449 [Shake] We're still animals. Okay, Nick. 770 00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:02,285 [Nick L.] I can see now why you don't treat human beings. 771 00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:05,121 -Oh, oh, damn, Nick, that-- -No, I'm saying. 772 00:36:05,204 --> 00:36:06,664 Extremely uncomfortable right now. 773 00:36:06,747 --> 00:36:07,874 [Shake] That was fucked up. 774 00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:10,751 That's my man right here. Ladies, ladies. 775 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:13,713 -The vet community... -You're doing it yourself, dude. 776 00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:16,966 -You're digging the biggest hole... -The vet community is not gonna like that. 777 00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:19,051 I love a vet as much as the next guy, 778 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:22,597 but I don't like people who treat human beings like you do. 779 00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:25,308 It's wrong. It's wrong. 780 00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,769 So you all love Deepti. I saw that on the show. 781 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:32,315 We all felt that. What was it like for you guys to watch 782 00:36:32,398 --> 00:36:35,484 her go through this? And be here now with her and Shake? 783 00:36:35,568 --> 00:36:37,236 How are you feeling? 784 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:41,365 Shake, one thing I think you would seriously benefit from 785 00:36:41,449 --> 00:36:44,952 seeing a psychologist and figuring out some coping skills 786 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,496 to navigate relationships as a narcissist. 787 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:51,167 Because I think you're going to continue to damage relationships. 788 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:54,462 [Danielle] Not even relationships, just people in general. 789 00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:57,924 Deepti is hands down 790 00:36:58,007 --> 00:37:01,469 the most amazing person inside and out. 791 00:37:01,552 --> 00:37:04,805 That's why I kind of butt heads with Shake. It's like... 792 00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:08,935 out of all people in this entire world, she doesn't deserve that. 793 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:12,772 I mean, look at her. She looks like a goddamn queen right now. 794 00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:16,692 A goddess. She is better on the inside than she looks on the outside. 795 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:19,987 I actually think his mom said it best, it's what you're saying, 796 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:23,115 and I give your mom props on that. She said, "I'm taking her side." 797 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,910 She's so amazing, she doesn't even deserve a half a percent, 798 00:37:25,993 --> 00:37:28,913 -someone to treat her half a percent-- -Goddess. Villain. 799 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:31,499 -No, it's not the characters. -It's not even like that. 800 00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:34,585 -This is her as a person. -Yeah. This is me as a person. 801 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,505 For you guys. For your entertainment. 802 00:37:37,588 --> 00:37:39,131 -Are you okay? -I just want to say, 803 00:37:39,215 --> 00:37:41,884 it's okay to not be physically attracted to somebody. 804 00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:44,136 Guess what? There's a million other people who are. 805 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:47,598 It's the way you go about life. It's how you do it and how you say it 806 00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:50,935 that's extremely disrespectful, it's degrading to women, 807 00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:54,689 and I'm so happy for every single person sitting on this couch today 808 00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,566 because they have my back and they call you out. 809 00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,695 Beyond what was shown, we know about all the things that you said. 810 00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:02,530 [Iyanna] Yeah, that was a watered-down version. 811 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,323 [Natalie] That was a watered-down version 812 00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,284 of the things you said behind her back. 813 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:07,535 And I just... 814 00:38:07,994 --> 00:38:10,705 I don't understand how you don't feel remorse. 815 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,332 [Deepti] Honestly, look at how you're speaking. 816 00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:15,501 Every single person here has an issue with you. 817 00:38:15,584 --> 00:38:17,712 That says a lot about your character. 818 00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:18,879 That's all I'm going to say. 819 00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:21,299 That's what it's turned into, unfortunately, yeah. 820 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:24,677 It's not turning into it. It's a reality check for you. 821 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,389 You lack the self-awareness to even know you're doing something wrong. 822 00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:30,641 It's flabbergasting to me. 823 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:33,811 The fact that I ever respected you as a person, 824 00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:35,688 I'm mind-blown. 825 00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:39,525 And I brought you to my family. I've never done that. 826 00:38:39,608 --> 00:38:41,944 For my dad and my mom to sit there 827 00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:47,616 and watch you say these disgusting fucking things about me is so degrading. 828 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,244 There's a way to say, "Oh, I'm not physically into her." 829 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:52,413 Guess what? Your aunt is probably dope as fuck. 830 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:54,498 -That's all I have to say. -She is. Absolutely. 831 00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:58,002 [Nick L.] It's the complete lack of contrition. 832 00:38:58,085 --> 00:39:00,212 You absolutely-- you have no problem 833 00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,882 acting the way you act, and thinking there's nothing wrong with it. 834 00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:06,469 That's fine. That's a completely conscious decision on your part, I guess. 835 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:09,096 But there's nothing wrong with saying, "It didn't work out." 836 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:13,726 That's why it's an experiment. It's just the way you go about it. 837 00:39:13,809 --> 00:39:16,187 [Vanessa] Deepti, did you see more watching the show? 838 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:18,856 Did you know about the stuff that all your girlfriends are saying 839 00:39:18,939 --> 00:39:21,400 was happening behind your back? Were you not aware? 840 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:24,779 Were you sensing it, but it wasn't as bad until you watched it? 841 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:27,698 -And you were like, "Oh, my God." -Yeah. I definitely heard from the girls, 842 00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:29,075 and Shayne and Jarrette. 843 00:39:29,158 --> 00:39:31,869 They all warned me that this is not a person you should marry. 844 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:34,580 Because he's talking about you this way behind your back. 845 00:39:34,663 --> 00:39:37,792 I didn't know the extent of how he was talking to me. 846 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:41,545 Or about me. But he was straightforward with me. 847 00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:45,049 "I'm not physically attracted to you." Listen, I don't give a fuck if you're not. 848 00:39:45,132 --> 00:39:48,719 But if you care about somebody, and you're supposedly their friend, 849 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,847 you do not disrespect them on national fucking TV. 850 00:39:51,931 --> 00:39:56,143 And that is the most hurtful part. I do not care if he's not attracted to me. 851 00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:59,021 -Don't care. -That was the watered-down version. 852 00:39:59,105 --> 00:40:02,441 I could have handled that differently. I agree. 853 00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:05,361 You just don't know how to speak. Especially to women. 854 00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:06,737 That's all I'm going to say. 855 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:14,745 Okay. Well, we wish the best for you guys. 856 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:18,082 And we know you won't have trouble finding love. 857 00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:20,709 And I hope you will continue to figure it out. 858 00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:23,712 We're moving on now to... 859 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:28,050 -Kyle and Shaina. Hi, guys. -Hi. 860 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:29,885 -Hi. -Bringing it back around. 861 00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:34,557 This was an interesting one because obviously, we talked about it 862 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,767 at the top of the show with the proposal. 863 00:40:36,851 --> 00:40:39,145 But I felt like 864 00:40:39,228 --> 00:40:43,441 Shaina was kind of trying to tell you, Kyle, at the reveal, 865 00:40:43,524 --> 00:40:47,695 I don't know if we should move on with this. I don't know... 866 00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:50,030 if I'm ready for this next step. 867 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:55,161 You kept wanting to try to make it work. Do you feel like, in a way, 868 00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:57,371 I don't want to say that you pushed her into it, 869 00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,374 but you kind of convinced her, "Let's continue on with this process." 870 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,293 Or that it was a mutual agreement? 871 00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:05,045 Yeah. I mean, we got engaged for a reason. 872 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:08,549 I wanted to follow through with the experiment. 873 00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:11,051 Like we all did. And... 874 00:41:12,011 --> 00:41:14,096 you didn't really get to see our connection. 875 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:16,932 We were really close. We spoke for so long. 876 00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:20,478 We bonded. Nobody really got to see that. 877 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,063 So... 878 00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:29,236 In that moment, I was caught off guard when you weren't sure after we met. 879 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:32,948 You know. And I walked away, and you said, 880 00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:35,326 "This is going to be tough." 881 00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:37,786 And I said, "Have some hope." 882 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:41,332 So that bothered me a little bit. 883 00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:43,250 It left me a little uncertain. 884 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:47,338 I thought it was perfect up until that day. 885 00:41:47,421 --> 00:41:50,090 I didn't know about the whole Shayne scenario. 886 00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:54,762 So, I was caught off guard when I saw it for the first time, definitely. 887 00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:58,849 [Nick L.] I'm curious. Why do you think Shaina wanted to break off the engagement? 888 00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:01,101 Do you think she was ever really in love with you? 889 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,437 Do you think it was maybe the Shayne scenario? 890 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:04,563 Was it something else? 891 00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,398 I don't know. I wish I knew. 892 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:08,275 I would love to know. 893 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:13,322 I want to know why you had the hesitation. 894 00:42:13,405 --> 00:42:17,618 Was it more than religion? Or was it strictly religion? 895 00:42:17,701 --> 00:42:20,204 Was it Shayne? Was it how I looked? 896 00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:23,707 No. I had those reservations before I even met you. 897 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:27,253 It had nothing to do with looks. I think you're a very handsome person. 898 00:42:27,836 --> 00:42:31,882 It was one of those things where I was compromising my own... 899 00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:34,718 beliefs. I thought for a second, 900 00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:37,763 "I've been with a Christian before. It didn't work." 901 00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:40,849 Right? So I'm like-- I was having this internal struggle with 902 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:43,435 "Do I give this an open mind? Just 'cause they're Christian 903 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,187 doesn't mean they're a good person." Right? 904 00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:49,316 I felt that you were a good person, so I was like, "Do I give it a shot?" 905 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,026 It was an internal struggle for me. 906 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:55,281 At the end of the day, long story short, it was the religion for sure. 907 00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:58,701 I don't want to use the word religion. It was more my relationship with God. 908 00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:01,787 That's a huge factor in my life. You would never be able to give me that. 909 00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:03,789 I wouldn't want to force you in that. 910 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,917 If you were certain from the beginning, you should never have said yes to me. 911 00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:09,253 I should never have said yes. I agree with that. 912 00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:10,462 You wasted my time. 913 00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:13,799 It was a people-pleasing moment, and I should have never said yes to you. 914 00:43:13,882 --> 00:43:15,926 And I own that. I'm very sorry that I said yes. 915 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:17,261 I should have never said yes. 916 00:43:21,557 --> 00:43:23,809 I don't know what else you want out of... 917 00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:29,565 It's just, I mean... 918 00:43:30,149 --> 00:43:34,612 It was just a big waste of time. But I have a huge regret. 919 00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:37,615 The biggest regret is I should have... 920 00:43:37,698 --> 00:43:39,783 I should have asked Deepti to marry me. 921 00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:41,327 Like, she was-- 922 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:42,828 [Kyle stammering and laughing] 923 00:43:42,911 --> 00:43:46,790 That's what I learned the most. I fucked up. 924 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:47,875 I fucked up. 925 00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:52,004 I should have... I should have tried harder for you. 926 00:43:52,087 --> 00:43:53,964 I mean, I love her so much. She's the best. 927 00:43:54,048 --> 00:43:57,301 And I wish I saw what was right in front of me. 928 00:43:57,384 --> 00:44:00,220 I do have-- That's my biggest regret. 929 00:44:01,263 --> 00:44:02,389 I'm sorry. 930 00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:06,393 -Deepti's amazing. -She is. I love her. She's the best. 931 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,604 I would love that between you two. 932 00:44:08,687 --> 00:44:12,399 Yeah. It pisses me off because you wasted such a good opportunity. 933 00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,652 Not true. Because now you have it. 934 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:16,737 Happy to facilitate. 935 00:44:18,697 --> 00:44:24,244 Okay. We're going to move on to probably the most shocking 936 00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:27,039 wedding day rejection. 937 00:44:27,956 --> 00:44:29,667 Natalie and Shayne. 938 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:33,545 So we all saw that there was a big blow up fight 939 00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:35,923 the night before your wedding 940 00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,175 that ultimately ended your engagement. 941 00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:40,219 It was after a lot of drinking 942 00:44:40,302 --> 00:44:42,221 at the bachelorette and bachelor party. 943 00:44:43,055 --> 00:44:43,931 What happened? 944 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:49,812 What happened that night that you guys want to share that ended this... 945 00:44:50,479 --> 00:44:52,606 fairytale process for both of you? 946 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,943 [Shayne] Everyone has a breaking point during this whole experiment. 947 00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:58,153 The pressure all of this is on you. 948 00:44:58,237 --> 00:45:00,364 And you know, obviously, the drinking. 949 00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:02,908 You know you're getting married that night, it's like... 950 00:45:04,993 --> 00:45:07,788 I kind of had a moment like, "Oh, shit." Like... 951 00:45:11,417 --> 00:45:12,418 I don't know. 952 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:19,550 I still wish it didn't go down that way. I mean... 953 00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:22,803 Trust me, there's not a day I don't think about that fuckin' night 954 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:23,887 and go over it in my head. 955 00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:25,931 -Definitely. 100%. Yeah. -Yeah. 956 00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:27,641 Did you say things you didn't want to say? 957 00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:30,310 -Yeah. Of course. -[Vanessa] But it was how you felt. 958 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,896 No, not really. It was an emotional reaction. 959 00:45:34,314 --> 00:45:36,984 Some of the words were that way. 960 00:45:37,067 --> 00:45:41,697 Again, I have to learn how to express it better than just being so reactive. 961 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:46,201 And I'm very well-- I've seen that. 962 00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:51,206 I have to get better at not being so reactive to certain situations. 963 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,293 [Vanessa] How was that night for you, Natalie? 964 00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:57,754 Uh... 965 00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:07,931 I mean, it sucks because I feel like that night changed everything. 966 00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:10,142 Uh... 967 00:46:15,272 --> 00:46:19,234 I, like, I truly believe that he is remorseful of it. 968 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:22,279 He has apologized a million times 969 00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:23,489 for that night. 970 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,784 And I don't think he meant those words. 971 00:46:27,868 --> 00:46:30,829 Like, I know he didn't. He's made that very clear. 972 00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:35,334 But I think... I think what makes it sad is... you know... 973 00:46:37,002 --> 00:46:41,215 why it's so hard for me to talk about is... um... 974 00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:44,885 because really that night changed everything... 975 00:46:46,136 --> 00:46:48,597 for us. I know, like... 976 00:46:50,015 --> 00:46:52,226 it sounds stupid to say a fight changed everything, 977 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:56,063 but I think it just, for us, it was kind of a wake-up call 978 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:59,358 that, "Wow, we have big issues to work through. 979 00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:01,401 Maybe we're not ready for marriage." 980 00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:05,322 I think before that night, we were like 100% going to say yes 981 00:47:05,405 --> 00:47:08,659 and be married. So it's hard knowing that night happened. 982 00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:11,537 But I do think it was for the best at the end of the day. 983 00:47:11,954 --> 00:47:18,293 I think it revealed that we hadn't worked through all our problems. 984 00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:21,505 I'm not saying you have to work through every problem for marriage. 985 00:47:21,588 --> 00:47:25,634 But I think that was a big one, the way we communicate with each other. 986 00:47:25,717 --> 00:47:27,761 -Can I say something, please, actually? -Yes. 987 00:47:27,844 --> 00:47:30,180 I'm expressing remorse. 988 00:47:30,264 --> 00:47:32,307 I'm taking accountability for what happened that night. 989 00:47:32,391 --> 00:47:35,769 But I mean, there was a reason also why I got to that point too. 990 00:47:35,852 --> 00:47:39,481 You're kind of pushing it under the rug and making it seem like I'm almost... 991 00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:43,819 The words that I used, they didn't come out of nowhere. 992 00:47:43,902 --> 00:47:47,322 Okay? You haven't apologized for your side of the story. 993 00:47:47,406 --> 00:47:51,910 You haven't owned up to... So it was 100% my fault? 994 00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:54,746 I take most of the blame, yes. But you're sitting there saying 995 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:57,040 "I this, this, and that." It's like-- 996 00:47:57,124 --> 00:47:59,418 I'm not putting the blame on you by any means. 997 00:47:59,501 --> 00:48:03,171 I understand that that anger came out from somewhere. 998 00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:06,550 Obviously, something I've done to you, or I pushed you 999 00:48:06,633 --> 00:48:09,970 to that point. I don't want it to seem like I'm just blaming it on you, 1000 00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:13,807 and those words came out of nowhere. I know that it came from a place of... 1001 00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:17,561 you being frustrated with me. Or you feeling... 1002 00:48:17,644 --> 00:48:20,063 me making you feel like you weren't enough. 1003 00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:23,525 You don't feel bad about anything you've done? 1004 00:48:23,609 --> 00:48:25,944 No apologies or anything? You think that you've... 1005 00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:28,196 -No. I'm like-- -That's what I'm trying, it's like, 1006 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,240 it's so tough. It's like... 1007 00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,744 -Yeah. -I... 1008 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:37,789 I feel like we've talked about this, because we have. 1009 00:48:37,873 --> 00:48:41,918 I obviously apologize for making you feel like you weren't good enough. 1010 00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:46,757 I don't-- I feel like you were more than enough. 1011 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:53,847 Sorry. 1012 00:48:56,725 --> 00:48:58,560 Shayne, what are you thinking right now? 1013 00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:01,229 I'm just fucking sad. 1014 00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:04,232 -What are you sad about? -Huh? 1015 00:49:04,316 --> 00:49:08,070 Are you sad about that night, or that you feel like you're... 1016 00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,406 -being pinpointed as the reason? -No. No. 1017 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:15,243 She said it, that makes-- That's the stuff I want to hear too. 1018 00:49:15,327 --> 00:49:20,624 It's accountability for both of us. I understand it was mostly my fault. 1019 00:49:20,707 --> 00:49:23,877 But I'm not going to be taken out to be the bad guy 1020 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,631 of every situation that happened. I'm owning up to things I did wrong. 1021 00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:30,300 I admit that. I'm a human being. And I made mistakes. 1022 00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:32,886 -But, like... -I don't think in our situation 1023 00:49:32,969 --> 00:49:34,971 there's a good guy or a bad guy. 1024 00:49:35,055 --> 00:49:37,641 I know. That's what I want you to say. 1025 00:49:37,724 --> 00:49:40,143 Because the way you said it earlier was like 1026 00:49:40,227 --> 00:49:43,230 those words, I know you didn't mean it. You were angry, this and that... 1027 00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:47,359 Yes, but you didn't say I was a good guy. I want you to say those kinds of things. 1028 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:50,570 [Nick L.] I'm going to ask a really difficult question, 1029 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,406 one you may not be able to answer. 1030 00:49:52,989 --> 00:49:56,201 Do the two of you, in talking about that night, 1031 00:49:56,284 --> 00:50:01,248 and reliving, not just that night, but the entire experience together, 1032 00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:05,210 do you feel like you may have missed a chance... 1033 00:50:05,961 --> 00:50:08,213 at being really happy? 1034 00:50:08,296 --> 00:50:10,257 Did that night, was that night 1035 00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:13,468 the only thing that derailed what to that point had felt like 1036 00:50:13,552 --> 00:50:17,222 a really, really kind of well-oiled machine, if you will. 1037 00:50:17,305 --> 00:50:19,766 And it may have been indicative of things that'd been building up. 1038 00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:21,852 I'm not suggesting. I'm just curious. 1039 00:50:23,228 --> 00:50:25,856 Regret's a really, really powerful thing. 1040 00:50:25,939 --> 00:50:30,026 Do you look back and think, "Man, we were so close, we could have..."? 1041 00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:34,030 "It's within our grasp." Did that night completely derail it? 1042 00:50:34,948 --> 00:50:37,367 -I don't like thinking that way. -[Shayne] Yeah. 1043 00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:43,331 -[Nick L.] Yeah. That's... -[Shayne] I mean... 1044 00:50:45,625 --> 00:50:49,296 So, is this the first time you guys have seen each other since... 1045 00:50:50,964 --> 00:50:52,758 since your... 1046 00:50:53,925 --> 00:50:55,218 wedding? 1047 00:50:55,302 --> 00:50:58,972 We gave it another shot after our wedding day. 1048 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:02,142 -[Vanessa] You dated again. -[Natalie] Yeah. We dated again. 1049 00:51:03,059 --> 00:51:05,687 Without the pressures. We just wanted to see if, you know... 1050 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:09,900 -how we would work out. -[Shayne] It was too fresh. 1051 00:51:09,983 --> 00:51:11,568 -It was too fresh at the time. -[Natalie] Yeah. 1052 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:15,739 I will say, for me, I held on to that fight for so long. 1053 00:51:15,822 --> 00:51:19,117 I kind of held it against you. And that... 1054 00:51:20,994 --> 00:51:26,249 And... I think it didn't allow us-- I couldn't get myself to move on from it, 1055 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,709 if that makes sense. 1056 00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:33,006 What did you guys think now that, obviously, everyone in the-- 1057 00:51:33,089 --> 00:51:36,510 I think Jarrette, you were the one that was like, "Oh, for sure. 1058 00:51:36,593 --> 00:51:38,637 Shayne and Natalie." And everyone kinda echoed that. 1059 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,932 What do all of you, being on the outside looking in, 1060 00:51:42,015 --> 00:51:43,767 being there for them, seeing them go through this, 1061 00:51:43,850 --> 00:51:46,686 how do you feel about their journey? 1062 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:52,150 Even right now I'm getting emotional. You can still feel the love that's there. 1063 00:51:52,234 --> 00:51:56,363 I feel like Shayne and I got pretty close pretty quick in the pods. 1064 00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:58,865 We're still friends today. 1065 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:03,036 I know, despite what happened, he was in love with you. 1066 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,496 Hands down. 1067 00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:06,456 And vice versa, you know. 1068 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,333 [Nick T.] It breaks my heart that they said no. 1069 00:52:08,416 --> 00:52:09,417 [Danielle] Yeah. 1070 00:52:09,501 --> 00:52:14,965 [Nick T.] And I just hope that whatever you two do, you do find happiness. 1071 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:18,468 You know. If it's with each other, we're there for you. 1072 00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:22,222 Does it feel good to hear people say how much they enjoyed your relationship, 1073 00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:24,891 -and how-- -Of course. It feels fantastic. 1074 00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:27,727 It's seriously much appreciated. 1075 00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:31,731 Another big topic that everyone has been dying to know because obviously, 1076 00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:36,862 it was heightened in season two is that you and Shaina-- 1077 00:52:36,945 --> 00:52:39,364 [Shayne] Here's the deal. I'm not getting into that conversation. 1078 00:52:39,447 --> 00:52:40,991 -I'm sorry. -[Vanessa] I'm just asking 1079 00:52:41,074 --> 00:52:43,827 -if you've seen each other before today. -[Shayne] Yes. 1080 00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:49,958 Sorry, Shaina, what's... 1081 00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:52,127 No, I don't know why he's reacting that way. 1082 00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:54,838 [Shayne] No, I'm not. I'm not reacting that way. It's like... 1083 00:52:55,922 --> 00:52:58,008 -Not alone... -I'm not trying to start anything. 1084 00:52:58,091 --> 00:53:00,886 It was a question. We talked about how you guys tried to date again. 1085 00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:01,928 I think that's amazing. 1086 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:04,347 This is the reunion. What's happened since the weddings? 1087 00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:06,600 What happened since the "I do's" and the "I don'ts"? 1088 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:07,976 People just want to know. 1089 00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:11,438 They're invested in your growth, personally, Shayne. 1090 00:53:11,521 --> 00:53:13,148 And in your growth, Shaina. 1091 00:53:13,231 --> 00:53:16,067 And how you guys have managed to come out of this on the other end. 1092 00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:19,446 Are you uncomfortable talking about that? 1093 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,330 It's literally the last thing I was going to say before I moved on to Iyanna. 1094 00:53:28,413 --> 00:53:32,000 We don't have to talk about it. I'll ask Shaina. Hey, girl. 1095 00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:34,628 Yeah, there's nothing. We were always just friends. 1096 00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,671 There was nothing ever romantic afterwards. 1097 00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:38,214 -I didn't even-- -I know. 1098 00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:40,800 I don't know if he's uncomfortable. I don't want him to think 1099 00:53:40,884 --> 00:53:43,678 it's taking away from your and Shayne's story. There was nothing like that. 1100 00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:46,348 -Yeah, there was nothing. -[Nick T.] It's just emotional. 1101 00:53:47,432 --> 00:53:49,309 -[Vanessa] I totally get that. -[Shaina] Yeah. 1102 00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:56,358 All right, guys. Now on to a couple who both said yes, 1103 00:53:56,441 --> 00:53:58,526 -Jarrette and Iyanna. -[Vanessa] Yay! 1104 00:53:58,610 --> 00:53:59,819 [Nick L.] Congrats. Congrats. 1105 00:54:01,321 --> 00:54:02,781 How's it feeling? 1106 00:54:02,864 --> 00:54:05,116 Married life has been... has been fun. 1107 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,202 -It's been a roller-coaster. -Yeah. 1108 00:54:07,285 --> 00:54:11,122 Honestly, if anybody says marriage is easy... 1109 00:54:11,206 --> 00:54:12,499 -They're lying. -They're lying. 1110 00:54:12,582 --> 00:54:17,253 But we've learned a lot, and grown a lot since we first said "I do". 1111 00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:21,883 I wouldn't ride this roller-coaster with anyone else than this woman right here. 1112 00:54:21,967 --> 00:54:25,345 [Iyanna] For me, it feels like a mirror. There are things I believe that 1113 00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:28,306 I would be able to handle better, or react better. 1114 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:30,266 I'm like, "No, I'm healed in this situation." 1115 00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:33,645 But I realize there's still some things that I need to work on. 1116 00:54:34,688 --> 00:54:37,524 Which was really hard for me to come to terms with. 1117 00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:39,776 I was like, "No, I said I'm better." 1118 00:54:40,485 --> 00:54:45,573 But yeah, it's been hard. But it's been really rewarding too. 1119 00:54:45,657 --> 00:54:49,160 Just for myself individually, and then us, as a couple. 1120 00:54:49,244 --> 00:54:52,455 Do you agree that as soon as the show was over, 1121 00:54:52,539 --> 00:54:54,708 you're just thrown into the real world? 1122 00:54:54,791 --> 00:54:57,794 You're like, "Okay. We have to reassess." 1123 00:54:57,877 --> 00:55:02,298 I've realized that things that I was doing prior to being married. 1124 00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:05,510 Some of those things tried to creep back into the marriage. 1125 00:55:05,593 --> 00:55:07,554 I had to shock myself again and say, 1126 00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:10,306 "These things are, they're not okay." 1127 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:13,852 Just being able to see that self-awareness, and kinda work on that, 1128 00:55:13,935 --> 00:55:18,106 and then, so that again, I'm the best person for myself, for her, 1129 00:55:18,189 --> 00:55:20,108 and the betterment of our relationship. 1130 00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:24,529 I was going to ask you about that. A lot was made up to the marriage... 1131 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:26,281 -Taco Tuesday. -Different lifestyles. 1132 00:55:26,364 --> 00:55:29,159 You going out all the time. You liking to stay home and read a book. 1133 00:55:29,242 --> 00:55:34,748 I was curious had those lifestyles merged into one more laid back, 1134 00:55:34,831 --> 00:55:36,875 -conservative lifestyle? -It's been a struggle. No, I'm kidding. 1135 00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:37,959 [laughter] 1136 00:55:38,043 --> 00:55:39,419 [Iyanna] No, it has. So... 1137 00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:43,548 One thing I will say is we've been finding our balance. 1138 00:55:43,631 --> 00:55:46,342 We're hyper-aware of the fact that we are very different. 1139 00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:51,097 He's extremely extroverted, and I'm like, "Please, stay away from me." 1140 00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:53,058 So we've been finding our-- 1141 00:55:53,141 --> 00:55:56,644 I think this will always be something that we'll have to deal with. 1142 00:55:56,728 --> 00:55:58,313 Because we're so different. 1143 00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,358 But we have such similar values, and similar goals. 1144 00:56:02,442 --> 00:56:06,362 So it's just been compromise, ultimately. 1145 00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:09,616 I have been going out more, and he has been staying in more. 1146 00:56:09,699 --> 00:56:12,077 So we're just constantly, like juggling. 1147 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,412 I like to give her the opportunity to say no. 1148 00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:15,580 I've learned that from friends. 1149 00:56:15,663 --> 00:56:17,373 That if you give them the opportunity to say no, 1150 00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:18,958 -it's better, versus just doing it. -It is better. 1151 00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:19,876 [laughter] 1152 00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:22,003 -Very smart. -You're learning. 1153 00:56:22,796 --> 00:56:24,089 -I love it. -Very smart. 1154 00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:27,759 I love it. Well, another thing that everyone noticed on the show 1155 00:56:27,842 --> 00:56:31,137 was that you guys were always so sweet and so intimate. 1156 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:34,390 But never going that extra mile until wedding day. 1157 00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:36,142 You were waiting till the wedding day. 1158 00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:37,644 Right? And you kept your promise? 1159 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:41,815 [laughter] 1160 00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:44,400 [Iyanna, stammering] Some... God, okay. 1161 00:56:44,484 --> 00:56:46,945 -So the thing about it-- -[Vanessa] So what had happened was... 1162 00:56:47,028 --> 00:56:51,866 The thing about it is I was very protective about that aspect 1163 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:53,409 of our relationship. 1164 00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:56,996 And I wanted to reveal that when I wanted to reveal that. 1165 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,332 But if I'm honest, like... 1166 00:57:02,794 --> 00:57:04,712 we had sex in Mexico. 1167 00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:05,630 [laughter] 1168 00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:08,174 -It was just one time. -Just one time. 1169 00:57:10,176 --> 00:57:12,095 We know it's not easy. We appreciate you guys 1170 00:57:12,178 --> 00:57:15,640 being so candid, and being so vulnerable and honest. 1171 00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:17,559 -It means a lot. -Anything anybody wants to-- 1172 00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:20,645 Can I just say, I think, even though I didn't find my husband 1173 00:57:20,728 --> 00:57:24,774 through this experience, I feel like I've met so many amazing people 1174 00:57:24,858 --> 00:57:27,277 that I can call some of my best friends. 1175 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,112 And for that I'm very thankful. 1176 00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:31,739 -Guys, anything you all want to say? -Yeah. You're right. 1177 00:57:31,823 --> 00:57:34,617 This was the wrong show for me. I'll just come out and say it. 1178 00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:39,038 I have my own warped views. And I've got to work on those. That's all. 1179 00:57:39,122 --> 00:57:40,623 Sal, you good over there? 1180 00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:45,462 Yeah, sincerely, just final thoughts. I'm really happy for Nick, Danielle, 1181 00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:49,883 Jarrette, and Iyanna. Sincerely, it's really hard to do what you guys did. 1182 00:57:50,508 --> 00:57:54,304 To mutually put the work in and learn how to jump through the hurdles 1183 00:57:54,387 --> 00:57:56,806 that you need to to accomplish what you guys did. 1184 00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:59,642 And I really admire you both, all, both couples. 1185 00:57:59,726 --> 00:58:01,227 -Thank you, Sal. -I admire you guys. 1186 00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:04,189 It's nice to see that this actually works. 1187 00:58:04,272 --> 00:58:08,776 This is the second season, and people got married, and it works. 1188 00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,987 And it's for real. 1189 00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:14,991 -Yeah. -[Mallory] So that gives hope to all of us 1190 00:58:15,074 --> 00:58:17,827 who didn't, and everyone watching. 1191 00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:23,124 Thanks again for being here, first off. And for your honesty. 1192 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:24,542 And your vulnerability. 1193 00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:26,669 We appreciate you guys doing all that. 1194 00:58:27,128 --> 00:58:29,631 Sadly, this reunion is almost coming to an end. 1195 00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,926 Before we go, we did have one final question for the group. 1196 00:58:33,009 --> 00:58:36,554 How do you know when someone is actually the one? 1197 00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:43,853 For me, personally, it was when both my emotions and my logic aligned. 1198 00:58:43,937 --> 00:58:45,146 -Honestly. -Yeah. 1199 00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:47,232 -Jarrette? -How do I respond after that? 1200 00:58:47,732 --> 00:58:49,943 -Just say, "Yes, ma'am." -Yes, ma'am. 1201 00:58:51,611 --> 00:58:53,571 Now, when love is blind, you both know. 1202 00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:55,865 You want to get married before ever seeing each other. 1203 00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:58,243 But in Netflix's new dating series, The Ultimatum, 1204 00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:01,120 six couples have come to a point in their own relationships 1205 00:59:01,204 --> 00:59:03,414 where one person is ready to be married, 1206 00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:06,376 -and the other, well, isn't. -Yes! 1207 00:59:06,459 --> 00:59:10,505 In this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, these couples will put their relationships 1208 00:59:10,588 --> 00:59:12,173 to the ultimate test 1209 00:59:12,257 --> 00:59:14,968 with the hopes that they'll walk away engaged to the person 1210 00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:17,387 that they are truly meant to be with. 1211 00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:20,306 Each person will be compatible with multiple partners. 1212 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:23,351 They'll each select one new partner to move in with for three weeks 1213 00:59:23,434 --> 00:59:25,395 in a trial marriage. 1214 00:59:25,478 --> 00:59:27,689 They'll get to experience two different visions 1215 00:59:27,772 --> 00:59:30,275 and versions of what their married life could look like. 1216 00:59:30,358 --> 00:59:32,735 At the end of the experiment, they will have to decide 1217 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:34,904 if they want to marry the person they arrived with, 1218 00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:37,365 -or split forever. -Or... 1219 00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:40,660 maybe they met someone else that's actually a better fit. 1220 00:59:40,743 --> 00:59:43,413 Or that. Now, most people don't actually know this, 1221 00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:46,958 but at one point in our relationship, Vanessa actually gave me an ultimatum. 1222 00:59:47,041 --> 00:59:48,751 Okay, first of all, first of all. 1223 00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:50,545 We'd been dating for five years. 1224 00:59:50,628 --> 00:59:52,964 I was turning 30, and he wanted kids. 1225 00:59:53,047 --> 00:59:55,633 So the next actual step was, "What are we doing?" 1226 00:59:55,717 --> 00:59:56,926 So it was an ultimatum. 1227 00:59:57,010 --> 00:59:58,052 -Okay. -Yeah, okay. 1228 00:59:59,887 --> 01:00:00,888 Let's take a look. 1229 01:00:02,223 --> 01:00:07,270 The only thing scarier than losing you right now would be to marry you. 1230 01:00:07,854 --> 01:00:12,400 You're here because someone in your relationship has issued an ultimatum. 1231 01:00:12,483 --> 01:00:13,860 I want a ring on this finger. 1232 01:00:13,943 --> 01:00:18,156 [Vanessa] One partner is ready to get married, and the other isn't sure. 1233 01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:19,490 [man] I'm not ready to propose. 1234 01:00:19,574 --> 01:00:21,659 [Nick L.] Take a good look around at each other. 1235 01:00:21,743 --> 01:00:23,745 [Vanessa] You're going to find out if there are people here... 1236 01:00:23,828 --> 01:00:25,038 Who might be a better fit. 1237 01:00:26,581 --> 01:00:29,542 At the end of the week, you'll each choose a new partner. 1238 01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:32,128 [Vanessa] You'll move in together for three weeks. 1239 01:00:32,211 --> 01:00:33,880 At the end of this experience... 1240 01:00:33,963 --> 01:00:35,465 [Nick L.] You guys will have to choose, 1241 01:00:35,548 --> 01:00:37,467 either marry the person you've arrived here with, 1242 01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:38,718 or to split forever. 1243 01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:40,428 [woman] There is someone for everyone, 1244 01:00:40,511 --> 01:00:43,514 and I think a lot of people would be happy to be with me. 1245 01:00:43,598 --> 01:00:44,974 Cheers! 1246 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,602 Can we have a good time? Because our lives are going to change 1247 01:00:47,685 --> 01:00:49,062 in 24 fucking hours! 1248 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:50,396 [all laugh and cheer] 1249 01:00:51,564 --> 01:00:54,317 Being single is extremely nerve-wracking. 1250 01:00:55,526 --> 01:00:57,362 This experience is making us all start over. 1251 01:00:57,445 --> 01:01:00,073 It's weird to see the person you came here with dating someone else. 1252 01:01:00,156 --> 01:01:01,991 I'm not attracted to you. 1253 01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:04,535 I think you can do 100% better than him. 1254 01:01:04,619 --> 01:01:07,955 My eyes have opened up to a lot of things that I want in a relationship. 1255 01:01:08,873 --> 01:01:10,041 Have I thought about spending 1256 01:01:10,124 --> 01:01:11,459 the rest of my life with you? Absolutely. 1257 01:01:11,542 --> 01:01:14,295 This is hard. If you guys aren't going to be real with yourselves, 1258 01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:15,630 why are you here? 1259 01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:19,008 [man] I'd be crushed if she walked out of here with another guy. 1260 01:01:19,092 --> 01:01:22,303 [woman] Do I think there's a possibility I could be happy with somebody else? 1261 01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:23,721 Yes. 1262 01:01:23,805 --> 01:01:26,599 I thought giving Jake an ultimatum would bring us together. 1263 01:01:26,683 --> 01:01:28,142 It is doing the complete opposite. 1264 01:01:35,316 --> 01:01:36,901 [all clapping] 1265 01:01:37,902 --> 01:01:40,029 Love is Blind Season Two in the books. 1266 01:01:40,113 --> 01:01:43,032 -That's a wrap. -[cheering] 1267 01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:47,203 -Shot o'clock. -Shot o'clock! 1268 01:01:47,286 --> 01:01:49,080 -[Nick L.] Congrats, guys. -Thank you. 1269 01:01:50,289 --> 01:01:51,874 Thank you guys so much. 1270 01:01:51,958 --> 01:01:53,501 Thank you, thank you. 1271 01:01:54,669 --> 01:01:56,003 -A bit of comfort. -Yeah. 1272 01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:00,717 -And good news after that. -No, seriously. 1273 01:02:01,676 --> 01:02:04,595 [indistinct chatter] 1274 01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:08,224 -Thank you. You look amazing. -Thank you. 1275 01:02:08,307 --> 01:02:11,644 [upbeat music]