[music playing]
JOE KENDA: January 8 of 2010, the Ridgeland, Mississippi
police department gets a phone call that no one's ever
going to forget.
OPERATOR: Ridgeland 911.
JOE KENDA: This is a very unusual call
in a small town like Ridgeland.
Very few homicides ever in this city.
[theme music]
JOE KENDA: I spent my career closing murder cases.
But I'm not the only one who answered the call.
It takes a rare breed to solve the unsolvable,
to catch a ruthless killer, to find justice for the dead.
That's what it takes to be an American Detective.
FRANK DILLARD III: In 2010, I was
a detective with the Richmond Police Department.
The eerie thing is, some nights you knew the phone was
going to ring before it rung.
You could be laying in bed, and you just get the feeling.
[phone vibrating]
This is Dillard.
I receive a call from my supervisor,
telling me that they had a homicide
at an apartment complex.
I'm on the way.
At this point, your brain is going 1,000 miles an hour.
[siren]
[thunder]
When Dillard arrives at the crime scene,
he's met by Brian Myers, who is the commander
of the investigations unit on the police department.
BRIAN MYERS: During a case like this,
we're going to call just about everyone in on our team.
And of course, we would call Frank in for the interviews.
His specialty was interrogation.
What we got?
A young female deceased in the bedroom.
The victim is 22-year-old Carmen Sanders.
Apparently died of a stab wound to the chest.
LANAYA LEWIS: Carmen was very bright.
She was from Natchez, Mississippi, which is
about two hours from Ridgeland.
Carmen was a waitress and went to University
of Mississippi Medical School.
LANAYA LEWIS: She cared about her future.
She wanted to make sure that she finished school.
Any witnesses?
Just one, 911 caller, the boyfriend, Michael Mason.
JOE KENDA: Mr. Mason reported that he
was out for the evening.
And when he returned home, he discovered
property had been stolen, and his girlfriend
had been murdered.
FRANK DILLARD III: Typically, people are killed
by people that they know.
So he very well could have been the person
that committed the murder.
Michael Mason has been removed from the apartment
and taken to police headquarters for further interview.
What'd he report stolen?
Some electronics, a gaming system, I believe.
BRIAN MYERS: I noticed upon entry into the apartment
that there was no forced entry.
JOE KENDA: Somebody didn't break in.
They walked in.
Did they walk in because they were invited?
Was the door not locked?
Did they have a key?
Lots of possibilities, but the likelihood
is that the attacker is known to the victim.
BRIAN MYERS: Once we entered the apartment, it was in disarray.
LANAYA LEWIS: They found that there was clothes
just scattered all over the place on the couch
and on the floor.
FRANK DILLARD III: You have to survey,
see exactly what you have.
You have to go in and figure out, OK,
was the house like this already?
Did the suspect throw stuff around?
Hey, check this out.
JOE KENDA: When Dillard looked at the TV stand
and looked under it, he sees a large, dust-free area,
a clean dust mark where there was
an object, most likely the gaming console
that the owner claims was taken.
Where's the body.
Back bedroom.
BRIAN MYERS: It was obvious that there
was a struggle in the bedroom.
The mattress was moved off of the bed a little bit,
things in disarray.
FRANK DILLARD III: She was wrapped in a brown comforter
and had a butcher's knife through the comforter,
through her body.
It actually came to rest in the floor.
BRYAN BUCKLEY: What stood out to me was her face.
Her eyes were open.
And those eyes-- you know, they were lifeless.
And you knew that those eyes had seen who had killed her.
And you wish you could see with those eyes had seen.
JOE KENDA: Her jeans are unbuttoned,
and her clothing is somewhat disheveled.
Could this be a sexual assault, or could
it be just something that happened
in the course of the attack?
It's a possibility.
BRYAN BUCKLEY: Looking at Carmen's body,
she was stabbed multiple times in the abdomen.
JOE KENDA: This person was attacked in a manner
referred to as a blitz attack.
It is incredibly violent, and it is fatal, the earmark
of someone who has a violent nature or a great deal
of experience in violence.
Do you see that?
I then saw a smaller knife with a broken handle.
FRANK DILLARD III: That speaks volumes to me.
The mindset of this person's really enraged.
You can see the life leaving this person.
You can feel the knife entering this person's body.
Let's bag it.
Some prints.
A lot of knife fights, when people are stabbing,
it's not unusual for them to slip and cut themselves.
JOE KENDA: So all blood samples will be taken
to confirm that either it's all hers or it's hers
and someone else's.
Excuse me, detectives.
There's something in the kitchen you should see.
FRANK DILLARD III: Looking in the kitchen,
you notice that the knife drawers are open.
You noticed that stuff is everywhere.
You also noticed that there's a dishwashing
detergent everywhere.
It's not unusual for burglars or people who break in
to spread that to make it harder for you
to lift prints, latent prints, or spread fingerprint dust.
JOE KENDA: It tells Dillard there
is some level of experience in whoever
is responsible for this crime.
They probably have a criminal record,
or maybe they have been in custody to learn this trick.
BRIAN MYERS: This was a very complex scene.
I backed out and decided to call the Mississippi crime lab
and let their forensics team come in
and assist us with this one.
JOE KENDA: Once they clear this evidence,
the next step is to find her car, which was in the parking
lot, and see if there's any evidence of violence in the car
or in the area.
They find no evidence indicating the car
has any involvement in this offense.
But inside the car is her purse.
FRANK DILLARD III: That tells us that she
wasn't planning on being inside the apartment very long.
We found that Carmen's phone was in the purse.
A phone is very important because you can track it.
You can see what calls were made to whom,
what calls were received.
REPORTER: As investigators work to find a motive and a suspect,
they're questioning Sanders inner circle,
starting with her boyfriend.
We're talking to him, getting information from him.
At some point in time, he'll either be eliminated
as a suspect or become one.
So Dillard's next step is to talk to Michael
Mason, his only lead.
Because he's a good detective, he wanted to know what
Mason said on the 911 call.
FRANK DILLARD III: Went to the 911 center,
Ridgeland Police Department.
There was a lot of buzz from the other officers
about the 911 call.
It just didn't make sense.
So I had to hear that for myself.
There you go.
FRANK DILLARD III: Thanks.
NARRATOR: Dillard play a tape of the 911 call.
He's extremely calm.
He identifies himself by name, gives his address.
He almost as an afterthought mentions, oh, by the way,
my girlfriend's also been murdered.
It's very odd.
Stop the tape.
It really didn't look good for him.
I thought, OK, Michael Mason's trying
to separate himself from this by saying that someone broke in.
They stole all my stuff and killed my girlfriend.
JOE KENDA: Well, Michael, did you kill your girlfriend
and try to cover it up?
Because we're going to get to the bottom of it.
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After listening to the 911 call,
detectives believe that Michael Mason could have killed
his girlfriend, Carmen Sanders, and then covered
it up as a robbery gone wrong.
While Dillard makes his way to speak to Michael Mason,
the victim's mother comes running
into the police station, screaming that her daughter
has been killed.
My baby's gone!
I know who did it!
FRANK DILLARD III: Still to this day,
I can still hear her screaming through the building,
my baby's gone.
You knew how much love she had for her daughter.
Michael killed my baby.
I don't know he did!
CASSANDRA DOTSON: She was sobbing uncontrollably.
She said, Michael killed my baby.
I know he did.
See what you can find out about Carmen
and Michael's relationship.
FRANK DILLARD III: Detective Dotson
is the first black female officer for the Ridgeland
Police Department.
She closed out a lot of cases.
Very passionate in what she does.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: It hurts to see a parent cry.
I take it personal because I have daughters.
It made me want to do more.
I was told that Carmen was a very nice person.
She was a people person.
LANAYA LEWIS: Carmen and her mother were very close.
Carmen would go back home to Natchez frequently,
visit family, visit friends.
JOE KENDA: Mrs. Sanders explains her daughter
Carmen had a life plan.
She was taking courses for medical tech work
and was working several jobs to pay for school.
She lived with Michael Mason basically
as a convenience and a way to split the cost of rent.
Here is a girl who has a future, has a plan
to reach that future, and somebody takes that
away from her in an instant.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: She said that Carmen and Michael
were not getting along.
Their relationship was deteriorating.
She explained that her daughter had told her that she
was having difficulty studying because he had
friends come over all the time, and they
played video games all night.
Michael.
Ooh, good ball.
Ooh.
Michael, can you that down please?
I have a test in the morning.
Let's go!
CASSANDRA DOTSON: I was informed that she
would go to the back room while his guests were there.
JOE KENDA: So Mrs. Sanders explains that it got worse
with Michael, that he hacked her email account, found
an email from a male friend, and he accused
Carmen of seeing this man.
Turn that down.
Just listen to me.
Get the hell out of my face!
LANAYA LEWIS: Well, it got so bad that Michael
pushed her during an argument.
And any parent hearing that would think that their daughter
would be in danger.
It's possible, seeing as how he's surveilling her emails,
that Michael could have learned that she was moving out.
And could that have set him off?
Maybe, maybe not.
So far, we have innuendo and accusation.
What we don't have is any hard evidence.
We're going to need some of that.
So she communicates this information to Dillard.
And he now knows how to pursue this.
First, he's just going to get a feel for Michael
and see what he's like and see his demeanor.
FRANK DILLARD III: I had to remember that, hey, I
need him to confess.
I need to be nice to him to get what I need out of him.
And most importantly, he is innocent until I
can prove that he's guilty.
When he goes in to talk with him,
he discovers a totally different person than what
he'd sounded like on the phone.
Mason is very distraught.
And he says, I don't want a lawyer.
I want to find who did this to her.
And when Dillard asks him about the confrontations he's had
with her, he said, that's true.
LANAYA LEWIS: Michael thought Carmen was cheating
with her ex-boyfriend Chris Baker,
who she met in college at Mississippi State back in 2006.
BRYAN BUCKLEY: He even said that he
saw an email where she claimed that the boyfriend was
her soulmate.
So he seemed jealous of her.
JOE KENDA: But he willingly says that,
and he was sorry about that.
So he's not trying to conceal that from Dillard.
You have Michael to walk through his daily routine
to see if his alibi will hold water.
Michael worked as a substitute teacher at a middle school.
He worked that day from like 7:30 to 3:30.
But he also worked a second job, which was at a restaurant.
And he went straight to his job at the restaurant
and stayed there until about 10:30.
Mason originally believes she's just joking around.
And he said, come on, quit joking around.
He pulls the comforter back, exposing
that knife in her stomach and realizes
she's not ever going to get up.
And he ran out of the apartment to call 911.
The more time I spent with him, the more I
realized he was a gentle giant.
The more I realized that this guy probably didn't do this.
JOE KENDA: He takes a short break to make a few phone
calls to Michael's employers.
And he's able to confirm his whereabouts
from 7:30 AM to 11:00 PM.
With the evidence of Michael's alibi,
it shows that he could not have done the murder.
JOE KENDA: That takes him back to square one.
Who killed Carmen Sanders?
Because there was no signs of forced entry--
Please.
No.
BRYAN BUCKLEY: --it looks like Carmen let the killer inside.
No!
BRYAN BUCKLEY: If it's not going to be Michael,
then it's got to be someone she knows.
JOE KENDA: Now we have this Chris Baker,
this mysterious maybe lover of Carmen Sanders.
What does he have to do with this?
And how can he explain what he's been up to
on the evening of this crime?
So while Dillard puts out the word
to assist in finding Chris Baker,
he's informed that the coroner has finished the autopsy.
So Dillard response to the morgue to discuss
this case with the coroner.
She hadn't been punched, hadn't been hit, had no bruises.
And even though her clothing was unbuttoned and somewhat
disheveled, there was no evidence of sexual activity
or sexual assault.
Unfortunately, the lab wasn't able to recover
any blood other than Carmen's at the scene.
During inspection of Carmen's body,
they noted that she had been stabbed
more than a dozen times.
I found 15 stab wounds in her abdomen.
And you could tell that it was from two
knives, differing depths.
FRANK DILLARD III: The coroner also
noted that a blade was broken off into her rib cage
and was still inside of her body.
JOE KENDA: The most revealing fact is that the actual murder
weapon was a steak knife with a smaller blade,
and a butcher knife was an afterthought.
I surmised that once the steak knife
was broken into her rib cage, the suspect threw it down.
And then she was wrapped into the blanket.
And post-mortem, we believe that the butcher knife
was then shoved into her chest.
And it actually came to rest in the concrete floor.
That is enormous force.
That's driven by one thing, and that's rage.
REPORTER: Investigators say there
were no signs of forced entry into the couple's
apartment and report that the attack
was at close range and violent.
A key part of the investigation will be confirming
when Sanders was murdered.
We knew that she'd been home for some time.
We're not sure exactly for how long.
We're still canvassing the area, talking to neighbors,
trying to pinpoint maybe an exact time of death.
JOE KENDA: With her boyfriend, Michael Mason now cleared
as a suspect, detectives are wondering if Chris
Baker might be involved.
FRANK DILLARD III: He was given a phone call,
and he agreed to come meet with the detective
regarding this case.
JOE KENDA: In this particular case,
Dillard asked Detective Dotson to begin
the interview with him.
And Dillard observes the interview
through a two-way mirror.
FRANK DILLARD III: You start looking
for, where is he sitting?
Does he have his arms crossed?
Is he leaning toward the door?
Mr. Baker does not exhibit any guilty behaviors
or any behavior of being devious or withholding information.
JOE KENDA: Baker said that he was aware she was dating
Michael Mason at the time.
Wasn't trying to interfere with that.
Just wanted her to know that if in the future
her circumstances changed, he would be interested in meeting
her again.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: Chris seemed to care about Carmen.
They were friends.
I think they had a love relationship, not physical,
but caring.
FRANK DILLARD III: Chris living about 180 miles away,
and his phone records put him not near Ridgeland
on the night of the murder.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: At that point, we did
not feel that he was a suspect.
JOE KENDA: And so everything about this, including
his alibi, is airtight.
Baker is not involved.
There was no triangle, and Baker is not part of anything.
So Dillard is faced, as all homicide detectives are,
with the need to start over.
You pull all the stops out when you're working a homicide.
If you don't have anything to go on, you go back to the basics.
You start from point A. You go back to point Z.
JOE KENDA: So he begins with recordings of Mason.
He mentioned that couple of co-workers
had been to his house.
We got to figure out who would commonly come over.
And we got to vet all of these people.
FRANK DILLARD III: When I initially heard the name Robert
Harvey, I thought I heard it before,
but I wasn't totally sure.
So I went and spoke with another detective,
and I asked him about that name.
Oh, yeah, I remember Harvey.
He remembers it because he was going
to serve an arrest warrant on him in a sexual assault case.
FRANK DILLARD III: I actually went with Detective Morton
to affect the warrant.
But by the time we got to him, he had fled.
He went to Florida and stayed for about
a year and a half, two years.
Remind me, what did you have on him?
Well, we had a pretty strong case.
According to the victim, she met Robert at a local mall.
They talked a little bit, became friends.
He convinced her to come to his apartment.
I think I've got some wine coolers.
OK, cool.
But I can't stay long.
I got to work tomorrow.
Oh, me too.
No worries.
FRANK DILLARD III: Once he got her to his apartment,
she said he became a different person.
She became very afraid, and he threatened her.
JOE KENDA: Then he sexually assaulted her,
and she reported it.
She felt like had she not given in that she
would have been killed.
Case got dropped when we couldn't find him.
But we all knew he was responsible.
JOE KENDA: He even said that Robert
had a reputation among local prostitutes
who are also police informants.
They said he was really nice until he
got you into his environment.
He was very controlling.
And at that point, you were going
to do what he wanted him to do, or he was going to hurt you.
After I pulled Robert Harvey's jacket,
I learned that he had multiple arrests.
But one causes Dillard to drop his pencil.
Get up!
I'm so sick of you!
I'm sick of you, Robert!
No!
Shut up!
No!
[choking]
Robert Harvey strangled his kid's mother.
He has killed before.
In 1996, he was found guilty of manslaughter
and was sentenced to 20 years in prison in Mississippi,
but released after five years due to overcrowding.
That is startling.
FRANK DILLARD III: When you look at how Carmen was killed versus
how Robert Harvey killed his kid's mother,
you look at the power struggle.
You're right on top of somebody, strangling them.
You're right on top of them, stabbing them.
This is up front and close and personal,
looking them in the eyes and taking their life.
I suspected that I was dealing with a possible serial killer.
No.
Please.
No.
Stop! No!
Stop!
And he is still on the loose.
Will we have another killing?
[music playing]
JOE KENDA: Detective Dillard and his team
are investigating the murder of 22-year-old Carmen Sanders.
They've cleared two suspects, Chris Baker and Michael Mason.
But the chance mention of a friend
of Mason's, a Robert Harvey, has put Dillard on the right track.
BRIAN MYERS: He's already killed one person, served time.
No! No!
Now he's out.
We had a possible serial killer.
We wanted to get him in custody quickly.
Harvey was living less than a mile away from the crime scene
at another apartment complex with his mother.
Detective Dotson reached out to her.
She actually knew Harvey's mother.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: It was kind of hard for me to go to her
and seek out this information because I knew Carolyn.
We were schoolmates.
And she loved her kids.
But I had a job to do.
Ms. Sanders, the mother, continued
to be in my mind, my heart.
And I wanted to make sure I got some answers.
When you're dealing with a family member of a suspect,
you don't want to reveal too much.
So in this case, we were trying to be
as transparent as we could without jeopardizing the case.
CASSANDRA DOTSON: I could feel her hurt,
but I think she wanted to do the right thing,
even if it was involving her child.
JOE KENDA: She said, well, Robert told me that there was
no forced entry, that soap had been
scattered all over the apartment to destroy evidence.
And what was interesting is this
is right after this occurred.
And none of this had been released to the media.
JOE KENDA: The only way Harvey would
know the details he gave his mother is if he was there,
and he did them.
There was no other explanation.
FRANK DILLARD III: But we didn't have
the evidence, circumstantial or not,
at this point to arrest him.
So at this point, we're building a case.
JOE KENDA: Dillard is aware that in the past, when
Harvey was wanted by the police, he would flee the jurisdiction.
So Dillard wants to put together a plan
that gets him in custody before he runs to God knows where.
So the plan is to surveil him and arrest him.
BRIAN MYERS: We actually kept Mr. Harvey under surveillance
for a couple of days.
FRANK DILLARD III: We had great expectations.
You might see him talking to someone who might
be another person of interest.
He might take you to where some of the stolen items are.
You want to find that smoking gun, that golden bullet.
Damn.
He's going straight home three nights in a row.
While they tail him for a number of days,
Harvey keeps a low profile and only leaves his mother's house
to go to work.
FRANK DILLARD III: It was somewhat frustrating.
Robert Harvey was, indeed, a flight risk.
No one wants to be the one that let anybody, especially
a murderer, get away.
So you pull out all the stops on a homicide.
You have to.
Dispatch, give me Commander Myers now.
JOE KENDA: They are aware by his record,
his driver's license is suspended.
So he is illegally operating a motor vehicle under suspension.
We knew that he had an incorrect tag on his vehicle,
which was enough to pull him over and arrest
him on a traffic violation.
JOE KENDA: The point is to get him into custody
and maybe get a confession.
And the next day, they get their chance.
Suspect is turning onto Broad Street.
Everybody get ready.
While we were following him, we got him inside the city
limits of Ridgeland.
I'm thinking, is this guy dangerous?
Yes, he's dangerous.
This guy's served time.
He's done this before.
This is not a normal traffic stop.
We are going to be prepared for the worst on a traffic
stop of that nature.
Show me your hands!
JOE KENDA: All it takes is for a split second--
Show me your hands!
Get out of the car!
JOE KENDA: --for things to go south.
And these officers are ready for anything.
Show me your hands!
We carefully approach the car on both sides just
to make sure he wasn't going for a gun or something like that.
You never know with someone who's been in the system
that many times.
Turn away from me.
Walk back to the sound of my voice.
He was compliant.
And we got him out of the car, got him patted down,
took him into custody.
JOE KENDA: When they bring him into police headquarters,
Dillard is getting ready to talk to him
and is assuming he's going to talk to a hard-nosed convict.
Dillard is considered to be one of the best
interrogators in the Ridgeland Police Department.
He stays with it, and he can play with people
for hours at a time.
FRANK DILLARD III: Now it's up to me to do my part.
That's a lot of pressure.
The last thing you want to do is let someone who
committed a homicide get away.
Once I entered the interview room,
Robert Harvey was very polite and extremely calm.
FRANK DILLARD III: You're waiting for him
to make some kind of mistake.
But he's extremely nice, extremely polite.
In the back of your mind, you're thinking,
OK, this guy's not acting like a murderer,
but he's giving off clues that he knows something.
JOE KENDA: Dillard asked him, what
do you know about the murder of Carmen Sanders?
Well, nothing.
I don't know anything about it.
He doesn't mention that he told his mother
in detail facts of the crime.
He denied knowing Carmen.
He said he didn't know what I was talking about,
never met her.
JOE KENDA: He asks him where he was the night that Carmen
Sanders was murdered.
And he reports that he was visiting
a female friend in that area that he
hadn't seen for a while.
FRANK DILLARD III: And I'm thinking,
OK, he's probably lying to me, but I can't prove it yet.
I've been a detective long enough
to know that if you stick with it long enough
and turn over enough rocks, you're going to find something.
JOE KENDA: Dillard has to put him off balance.
He has to change his approach to him.
And a way to do that is to leave the room.
The greatest enemy you have when you're guilty of a crime
is your mind.
You begin to think up horrible scenarios
on what that detective could be learning when he's
not sitting in front of you.
BRIAN MYERS: Frank was methodical.
He always took his time.
Sometimes that was a little unnerving
because it just took so long.
But in an interview, he would sit for six hours if need be.
So the next step is to see whether he was visiting
this girl at that time.
FRANK DILLARD III: I found the friend
that he claimed to have been visiting and spoke with her.
And she said she hadn't spoken with him in months.
Dillard begins to unravel Harvey's story.
I know he's a liar.
I can prove he's a liar at this point.
Sergeant Dixon was very integral with the case.
He did the interviews with me.
We checked with that girl you said you visited.
She hasn't seen you in months.
But you said that's where you were, but you weren't there.
FRANK DILLARD III: At that point,
his whole demeanor changed.
He has to redirect his thinking to, OK,
this guy knows something.
He knows I'm lying about something.
Harvey then tried to tell detectives that he and Carmen
were involved with each other, that they
had been seeing each other, and they didn't
want Michael to find out.
JOE KENDA: He said, well, actually, I went over
there to have sex with her.
And she was dead when I got there.
According to him, someone else committed the murder.
And he ran out of the apartment, but what's he done?
He's put himself in that apartment
alone with a homicide victim.
That's what he's done.
FRANK DILLARD III: For Robert Harvey
to admit to being in Carmen's apartment,
that is a game-changer.
Because we went from being on the outskirts
to not knowing her at all to being now in that apartment.
JOE KENDA: So Dillard keeps going with this game
because it's working nicely for him.
FRANK DILLARD III: I asked him, OK, well
you're having sex with her.
I understand then why you're at the apartment.
Tell me about the tattoos that she has and the scars.
He told me he didn't see any tattoos and scars.
Well, she has tattoos, Robert, all over her chest.
FRANK DILLARD III: He said that, well,
she always kept her shirt on, which did not make sense to me.
He has a preposterous answer for every question
Dillard poses.
JOE KENDA: He's obviously lying, and he's lying very badly.
And at that point, I believe he asked for an attorney.
By law, you have to stop the interview.
But at that point, he's charged with capital murder.
We can offer an explanation of what
happened in this crime by conjecture and by opinion,
not by fact.
Mr. Harvey never said what he did.
We know that our victim, Carmen Sanders,
was innocently going to stop by her apartment
to get something before she met her friend for dinner.
BRIAN MYERS: She didn't lock the door.
She was coming in and leaving right away.
Either Robert knocked on the door,
and she opened it for him, or she left it unlocked,
and he just came in.
I believe his intent was on raping her.
[gasps] Uh, Michael's not here.
It's cold outside.
Let me wait in here for him.
No, I got to go--
Come on, girl.
You know we can hang for a minute, right?
Get off of me.
BRIAN MYERS: I think he had a sexual interest in this
and some anger issues as well.
I believe he came in on her, and she ran from him.
Please.
No.
As small as the apartment was, she wouldn't have had a way
out no matter where she went.
She was trapped in that bedroom.
JOE KENDA: Carmen encountered a violent criminal
at exactly the wrong moment.
No!
JOE KENDA: When his instinctive reaction was to attack
and kill her in a blitz attack.
She grabbed that comforter as a shield
and tried to wrap herself in it.
JOE KENDA: He stabbed her multiple times
till the blade of the knife broke off in her rib cage.
BRIAN MYERS: She's already down on the ground.
He has the time to go back to the kitchen
and get another knife and come back and finish her off.
He drove it all the way through her body
and stuck it into the floor.
That is violence.
I'm sure somebody told him to spread
detergent all over everything to break up fingerprints.
He then took the game console and fled.
And he wound up selling it for $100.
[buzzing]
In May 2011, Robert Harvey pled guilty to the murder
of Carmen Sanders.
He is currently serving a life sentence in Mississippi.
FRANK DILLARD III: We got the results that we wanted.
Now, would I have wanted something stiffer,
maybe the death penalty?
Possibly, but I understand that sometimes you
have to take what you can get.
In this case, I think we did pretty good.
It's upsetting because a person's life is taken away.
They're not able to fulfill their goals
that they had for their life.
She never finished school, and she never got to truly be happy
and be where she wanted to be.
JOE KENDA: People can lose their lives in a violent manner
through absolutely no fault of their own.
That's the reality of life.
Bad things happen to nice people.