1 00:00:07,379 --> 00:00:16,551 ♪♪ 2 00:00:16,551 --> 00:00:18,896 [ SIREN WAILS ] 3 00:00:18,896 --> 00:00:21,103 Joe: SEATTLE, WASHINGTON. 4 00:00:29,034 --> 00:00:33,931 THERE IS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN ARRESTED, 5 00:00:33,931 --> 00:00:37,517 AND HE'S CURRENTLY IN THE KING COUNTY JAIL. 6 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:45,620 HE SAID IT WAS A NICE NIGHT. HE'S HAVING A GOOD TIME. 7 00:00:55,793 --> 00:00:58,482 THE DETECTIVES ARE BOTH LOOKING AT EACH OTHER, 8 00:00:58,482 --> 00:01:00,724 AND THEY'RE BOTH THINKING THE SAME THING. 9 00:01:08,827 --> 00:01:11,172 WE MIGHT BE DEALING WITH A SERIAL KILLER HERE. 10 00:01:16,448 --> 00:01:18,689 HEY, HELP! 11 00:01:22,827 --> 00:01:27,137 I SPENT MY CAREER CLOSING MURDER CASES. 12 00:01:27,137 --> 00:01:32,310 BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO ANSWERED THE CALL. 13 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:36,793 IT TAKES A RARE BREED TO SOLVE THE INSOLVABLE... 14 00:01:36,793 --> 00:01:39,517 TO CATCH A RUTHLESS KILLER... 15 00:01:39,517 --> 00:01:43,517 TO FIND JUSTICE FOR THE DEAD. 16 00:01:43,517 --> 00:01:48,379 THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO BE AN AMERICAN DETECTIVE. 17 00:01:48,379 --> 00:01:51,379 --Captions by VITAC-- www.vitac.com 18 00:01:51,379 --> 00:01:54,379 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 19 00:01:56,482 --> 00:01:58,448 Steiger: MY NAME IS CLOYD STEIGER. 20 00:01:58,448 --> 00:02:00,827 I RETIRED IN 2016 21 00:02:00,827 --> 00:02:03,586 AFTER 36 YEARS WITH THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 22 00:02:03,586 --> 00:02:07,000 AND I SPENT THE LAST 22 YEARS OF THOSE AS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE. 23 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,965 I WORKED ON ABOUT 250 MURDERS. 24 00:02:09,965 --> 00:02:16,551 ♪♪ 25 00:02:16,551 --> 00:02:17,724 [ WHISTLE BLOWS ] 26 00:02:17,724 --> 00:02:18,862 [ CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS ] 27 00:02:18,862 --> 00:02:20,551 I WAS AT MY SON'S WRESTLING TOURNAMENT. 28 00:02:20,551 --> 00:02:25,482 AND JUST GETTING STARTED, AND MY PHONE RANG. 29 00:02:25,482 --> 00:02:26,517 [ CELLPHONE RINGING ] 30 00:02:26,517 --> 00:02:28,103 IT WAS THE SERGEANT. 31 00:02:28,103 --> 00:02:31,896 HE SAID, "WE'VE GOT A WOMAN THERE WITH HER THROAT CUT." 32 00:02:31,896 --> 00:02:35,137 I WENT, "WELL, SHE PROBABLY DIDN'T CUT HER OWN THROAT. 33 00:02:35,137 --> 00:02:36,448 I'M ON MY WAY IN." 34 00:02:36,448 --> 00:02:38,620 [ ENGINE STARTS ] 35 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:41,586 WHEN I HEARD WHERE THE BODY WAS FOUND, I KNEW THE AREA. 36 00:02:41,586 --> 00:02:42,862 [ SIREN WAILS ] 37 00:02:42,862 --> 00:02:45,448 IT'S INDUSTRIAL. 38 00:02:45,448 --> 00:02:48,379 THERE ARE ACTUALLY CITY SHOPS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, 39 00:02:48,379 --> 00:02:50,379 WHERE WE GET OUR POLICE CARS WORKED ON. 40 00:02:50,379 --> 00:02:52,413 SO I WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. 41 00:02:52,413 --> 00:02:53,965 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 42 00:02:53,965 --> 00:02:56,620 Joe: IT'S A DANGEROUS AND INFAMOUS AREA 43 00:02:56,620 --> 00:03:00,620 IN DOWNTOWN SEATTLE, KNOWN AS THE JUNGLE. 44 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:05,413 THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT THE JUNGLE, I WAS INTRIGUED. 45 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:08,896 IT'S CALLED THE JUNGLE, REALLY, 46 00:03:08,896 --> 00:03:13,241 BECAUSE IT'S THIS STRETCH OF WOODS 47 00:03:13,241 --> 00:03:18,482 THAT'S A LARGE, LAWLESS HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT. 48 00:03:18,482 --> 00:03:22,310 IT IS A GATHERING AREA FOR THE LOST SOULS OF SEATTLE -- 49 00:03:22,310 --> 00:03:25,931 PEOPLE WHO ARE IGNORED BY SOCIETY, 50 00:03:25,931 --> 00:03:29,551 WHO LIVE A LIFE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE, 51 00:03:29,551 --> 00:03:33,827 WHO LIVE IN AN AREA OF CRIME, DRUG ADDICTION, AND VIOLENCE 52 00:03:33,827 --> 00:03:35,517 IN THE MIDDLE OF A MAJOR CITY. 53 00:03:35,517 --> 00:03:37,586 [ SIREN WAILS ] 54 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:45,517 Steiger: SO I PULLED UP ON THE SCENE, AND IT WAS BITTERLY COLD. 55 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:47,827 I'VE WORKED MORE THAN TWO OR THREE MURDERS 56 00:03:47,827 --> 00:03:50,034 THAT HAVE ORIGINATED IN THE JUNGLE. 57 00:03:50,034 --> 00:03:53,275 Joe: STEIGER IS ABOUT AS QUALIFIED AS YOU CAN BE 58 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:54,965 IN THE MURDER BUSINESS. 59 00:03:54,965 --> 00:03:58,000 HE HAS A PASSION FOR IT. 60 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,551 HE'S SMART, INSTINCTIVE, AND EXTREMELY WELL EXPERIENCED. 61 00:04:02,551 --> 00:04:04,896 IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO INVESTIGATE A MURDER, 62 00:04:04,896 --> 00:04:06,344 HE'D BE YOUR GUY. 63 00:04:06,344 --> 00:04:07,655 Steiger: WHAT DO WE GOT? 64 00:04:07,655 --> 00:04:11,827 THEY REPORT THAT THERE IS A FEMALE, PHYSICALLY SMALL. 65 00:04:11,827 --> 00:04:17,724 SHE'S SITTING ON THE STAIRCASE. AND HER THROAT HAS BEEN SLASHED. 66 00:04:17,724 --> 00:04:23,344 SHE HAS BLED OUT, AND SHE'S BEEN DEAD FOR SOME TIME. 67 00:04:23,344 --> 00:04:26,758 THEY ALSO SAY THERE'S A WITNESS WHO SAW HER SITTING THERE 68 00:04:26,758 --> 00:04:28,827 AND WAS THE PERSON WHO CALLED THE POLICE 69 00:04:28,827 --> 00:04:31,758 TO DRAW THEIR ATTENTION TO THIS WOMAN. 70 00:04:31,758 --> 00:04:34,482 Steiger: HE WAS IN THE BACK OF A PATROL CAR. 71 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:36,965 THE GUY WHO LOOKED LIKE A TRANSIENT. 72 00:04:36,965 --> 00:04:39,482 THEY SAID HE'S GOT BLOOD ON HIS CLOTHING. 73 00:04:39,482 --> 00:04:42,206 OF COURSE, THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST RIGHT AWAY. 74 00:04:42,206 --> 00:04:47,137 ALL OF THE CRIME SCENE WAS CONTAINED BY THIS STAIRCASE. 75 00:04:47,137 --> 00:04:50,448 I DIDN'T GO DOWN THE STAIRWELL. WE DON'T DO THAT. 76 00:04:50,448 --> 00:04:52,034 YOU STAND UP THERE AND YOU MAKE YOUR OBSERVATIONS, 77 00:04:52,034 --> 00:04:53,310 AND NOBODY TOUCHES THE BODY 78 00:04:53,310 --> 00:04:54,586 UNTIL THE MEDICAL EXAMINER GETS THERE. 79 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:57,379 THAT'S THEIR JURISDICTION. 80 00:04:57,379 --> 00:04:59,689 I SAW THAT THIS WOMAN WAS KIND OF CURLED UP 81 00:04:59,689 --> 00:05:01,310 AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS, 82 00:05:01,310 --> 00:05:04,758 I COULD SEE BLOOD ON THE MATTRESS, BLOOD AROUND HER. 83 00:05:04,758 --> 00:05:07,379 IT WAS A MESS DOWN THERE. 84 00:05:07,379 --> 00:05:09,793 Joe: HE NOTICES ONE EXTERIOR PAIR OF PANTS, 85 00:05:09,793 --> 00:05:13,275 BUT THERE ARE OTHER PANTS UNDER THAT PAIR OF PANTS. 86 00:05:13,275 --> 00:05:15,241 SO SHE HAS THE APPEARANCE OF SOMEONE 87 00:05:15,241 --> 00:05:17,793 WHO PROBABLY LIVES IN THE JUNGLE, 88 00:05:17,793 --> 00:05:20,689 BECAUSE SHE'S DRESSED THAT WAY. 89 00:05:20,689 --> 00:05:25,724 LaVoice: IT JUST KIND OF PAINTS THIS PICTURE OF THIS YOUNG WOMAN 90 00:05:25,724 --> 00:05:30,724 WHO WAS LIVING ON THE STREETS IN A REALLY HARD TIME, 91 00:05:30,724 --> 00:05:35,379 WHO WAS JUST DOING HER BEST TO SURVIVE. 92 00:05:35,379 --> 00:05:36,827 Man: HER SHOELACES. 93 00:05:36,827 --> 00:05:37,931 Steiger: I SAW HER SHOES WERE OFF, 94 00:05:37,931 --> 00:05:41,206 AND ONE OF OUR SHOELACES WAS UNTIED. 95 00:05:41,206 --> 00:05:44,034 THE TAKING THE SHOE OFF WAS OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATE. 96 00:05:44,034 --> 00:05:46,379 WHY WOULD SOMEONE TAKE THE SHOE OFF IN THAT COLD WEATHER? 97 00:05:46,379 --> 00:05:49,034 SHE CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO IT HERSELF. 98 00:05:49,034 --> 00:05:51,172 STEIGER MAKES A MENTAL NOTE OF THAT, 99 00:05:51,172 --> 00:05:52,793 BUT HE KNOWS IT'S UNUSUAL. 100 00:05:52,793 --> 00:05:56,655 AND ANYTHING UNUSUAL IS WORTH PAYING ATTENTION TO. 101 00:05:56,655 --> 00:05:58,689 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 102 00:05:58,689 --> 00:06:02,482 [ SIREN WAILS ] 103 00:06:02,482 --> 00:06:05,413 LATER THAT DAY, STEIGER HAS THE ARRIVAL 104 00:06:05,413 --> 00:06:07,724 OF A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST AT THE SCENE 105 00:06:07,724 --> 00:06:09,896 FROM THE SEATTLE CORONER'S OFFICE, 106 00:06:09,896 --> 00:06:13,482 AND THEY TOGETHER EXAMINE THE REMAINS. 107 00:06:13,482 --> 00:06:15,137 LaVoice: SHE'S A NATIVE AMERICAN WOMAN 108 00:06:15,137 --> 00:06:16,896 WHO LOOKS TO BE QUITE YOUNG. 109 00:06:16,896 --> 00:06:20,413 THEY THINK SHE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A TEENAGER. 110 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:24,655 I COULD SEE DEVASTATING THROAT SLASHING. 111 00:06:24,655 --> 00:06:25,896 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 112 00:06:25,896 --> 00:06:27,931 IT GOT ALL OF HER MAJOR VESSELS IN HER NECK. 113 00:06:27,931 --> 00:06:29,482 AND THEN ONE THAT WENT THROUGH HER CHEEK, 114 00:06:29,482 --> 00:06:32,137 AND IT WAS ALL THE WAY -- ALMOST ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 115 00:06:35,931 --> 00:06:39,862 Joe: SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE PLAYING WITH HER SHOELACES, 116 00:06:39,862 --> 00:06:44,620 AND THEN IT GOES INTO THIS VIOLENT RAGE INVOLVING A KNIFE. 117 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:47,758 THE KNIFE ISN'T FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE. 118 00:06:47,758 --> 00:06:51,310 Steiger: MY IMPRESSION WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH PROSTITUTION OR DRUGS, 119 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:53,517 MAYBE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THING. 120 00:06:53,517 --> 00:06:55,551 BUT YOU GOT TO GO WITH THE FLOW. 121 00:06:55,551 --> 00:06:58,172 YOU GOT TO GO WHERE THE EVIDENCE TAKES YOU. 122 00:06:58,172 --> 00:07:02,275 Joe: THIS PERSON, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR A LIKELY RESIDENT 123 00:07:02,275 --> 00:07:06,137 OF THE JUNGLE, CARRIES NO IDENTIFICATION WHATSOEVER. 124 00:07:06,137 --> 00:07:07,758 Steiger: SO, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO WAIT 125 00:07:07,758 --> 00:07:10,620 UNTIL SHE'S FINGERPRINTED, TO FIND OUT WHO SHE IS. 126 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:12,172 THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TOLD ME, 127 00:07:12,172 --> 00:07:13,862 "I'LL DO THE AUTOPSY ON MONDAY MORNING." 128 00:07:13,862 --> 00:07:17,137 I SAID, "I'LL SEE YOU THERE." AND THEN HE TOOK HER AWAY. 129 00:07:17,137 --> 00:07:19,551 SO, THE WITNESS WHO FOUND THIS GIRL, 130 00:07:19,551 --> 00:07:22,620 HIS NAME IS WILLIAM GILMER. 131 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:27,034 STEIGER LOOKS AT THIS WITNESS, AND HE HAS BLOOD ON HIS CLOTHES. 132 00:07:27,034 --> 00:07:28,482 NOW, THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. 133 00:07:28,482 --> 00:07:30,551 HE HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH REASON TO BELIEVE 134 00:07:30,551 --> 00:07:32,517 THAT THIS MAN COULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS. 135 00:07:32,517 --> 00:07:33,862 SOMETIMES I'LL TALK TO THEM RIGHT THERE. 136 00:07:33,862 --> 00:07:35,068 BUT BECAUSE THIS GUY HAD BLOOD ON HIM, 137 00:07:35,068 --> 00:07:36,793 I WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE ELABORATE. 138 00:07:36,793 --> 00:07:39,137 CAN YOU RIDE HIM DOWN TO HOMICIDE FOR ME? 139 00:07:39,137 --> 00:07:40,965 AND I SAID, "WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU DOWN TO MY OFFICE. 140 00:07:40,965 --> 00:07:42,034 I'LL GET YOU A CUP OF COFFEE OR SOMETHING, 141 00:07:42,034 --> 00:07:43,620 AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT." 142 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:48,655 ♪♪ 143 00:07:48,655 --> 00:07:51,344 [ DOOR OPENS, SHUTS ] 144 00:07:51,344 --> 00:07:53,689 THE BEST INTERROGATIONS ARE THE ONES 145 00:07:53,689 --> 00:07:56,137 WHERE THE SUSPECT DOESN'T KNOW HE'S BEING INTERROGATED. 146 00:07:56,137 --> 00:07:57,793 I'M GONNA RECORD OUR CONVERSATION. 147 00:07:57,793 --> 00:07:59,275 IS THAT OKAY? 148 00:07:59,275 --> 00:08:01,758 IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION, RIGHT? 149 00:08:08,758 --> 00:08:12,103 Joe: HE IS A RESIDENT OF THE JUNGLE. 150 00:08:12,103 --> 00:08:13,275 Steiger: HE HAD BEEN BY THERE EARLIER. 151 00:08:13,275 --> 00:08:14,931 HE WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEPLACE TO SLEEP. 152 00:08:14,931 --> 00:08:17,344 AND HE'S PROBABLY SLEPT DOWN THAT STAIRWELL BEFORE. 153 00:08:18,896 --> 00:08:20,068 HEY! 154 00:08:22,862 --> 00:08:24,482 Steiger: HE COULD SEE SOMEONE DOWN THERE. 155 00:08:24,482 --> 00:08:26,482 AND HE GOES, "HEY, HEY!" 156 00:08:26,482 --> 00:08:29,275 Joe: HE NOTICES THAT SHE HASN'T MOVED. 157 00:08:29,275 --> 00:08:30,827 HE GETS CLOSER TO HER 158 00:08:30,827 --> 00:08:33,551 AND REALIZES SHE'S COVERED IN BLOOD, 159 00:08:33,551 --> 00:08:35,689 AND THAT SHE'S DEAD. 160 00:08:35,689 --> 00:08:37,482 AND HE IS TAKEN ABACK. 161 00:08:37,482 --> 00:08:38,862 HEY! 162 00:08:38,862 --> 00:08:40,586 HE GOES INTO THAT BUILDING, 163 00:08:40,586 --> 00:08:43,448 WHICH IS A DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS HALFWAY HOUSE, 164 00:08:43,448 --> 00:08:45,586 AND OF COURSE, THEY CALL 911. 165 00:08:45,586 --> 00:08:48,034 AND HERE COMES THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 166 00:08:52,965 --> 00:08:54,758 Steiger: I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE BLOOD. 167 00:08:54,758 --> 00:08:57,724 GILMER SAYS HE GOT IN A FIST FIGHT WITH A GUY... 168 00:08:59,827 --> 00:09:01,724 ...GOT PUNCHED IN THE MOUTH. 169 00:09:01,724 --> 00:09:03,310 THEY BEAT EACH OTHER UP, 170 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:06,379 AND THAT BLOOD IS NOT ONLY HIS, FROM HIS MOUTH, 171 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:08,620 BUT ALSO SOME FROM THE OTHER GUY. 172 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:10,931 I SAID, "SO, THERE'S NO CHANCE IN THE WORLD 173 00:09:10,931 --> 00:09:12,413 THAT THAT IS HER BLOOD?" AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, 174 00:09:12,413 --> 00:09:15,172 "THERE IS NO CHANCE IN THE WORLD THAT THAT IS HER BLOOD." 175 00:09:15,172 --> 00:09:17,275 SAID IT VERY CONFIDENTLY, VERY MATTER-OF-FACTLY, 176 00:09:17,275 --> 00:09:18,724 AND I SAID, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SWAB YOUR HANDS. 177 00:09:18,724 --> 00:09:19,827 I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE YOUR CLOTHING 178 00:09:19,827 --> 00:09:21,034 BECAUSE YOU HAVE BLOOD ON IT." "OKAY." 179 00:09:21,034 --> 00:09:22,344 "I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING ELSE TO WEAR." 180 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:24,344 Joe: SO THEY DO TAKE HIS CLOTHING FOR TESTING, 181 00:09:24,344 --> 00:09:25,689 AND IT IS DETERMINED 182 00:09:25,689 --> 00:09:28,000 THAT THAT'S NOT THE BLOOD OF THE VICTIM. 183 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,310 Steiger: HE WAS PERFECTLY COOPERATIVE, HAD NO PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING, 184 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:32,931 ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS HONESTLY, 185 00:09:32,931 --> 00:09:34,965 AND HAD NO HESITATION, SO... 186 00:09:35,724 --> 00:09:37,724 ...EVENTUALLY, WE ELIMINATED HIM AS A SUSPECT. 187 00:09:41,689 --> 00:09:44,689 Joe: STEIGER IS EXPERIENCED AND HE'S SMART, 188 00:09:44,689 --> 00:09:46,379 AND HE'S THINKING ABOUT THIS GIRL, 189 00:09:46,379 --> 00:09:49,448 "HOW DID SHE COME TO BE MURDERED IN A STAIRWELL 190 00:09:49,448 --> 00:09:51,275 NEXT TO THE JUNGLE?" 191 00:09:51,275 --> 00:09:53,068 Steiger: AND I REMEMBERED BACK, 192 00:09:53,068 --> 00:09:54,620 I THINK IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER THAT YEAR, 193 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:56,793 THAT THERE'D BEEN A MURDER OF A WOMAN, 194 00:09:56,793 --> 00:09:58,172 AN UNSOLVED AT THAT POINT. 195 00:09:58,172 --> 00:10:00,275 THAT ALSO HAPPENED IN THE JUNGLE. 196 00:10:00,275 --> 00:10:03,000 Joe: SO HE DECIDES THAT IT'S IN HIS INTEREST 197 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,620 TO REVIEW THAT CASE AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY COMPARISONS 198 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:09,827 BETWEEN THAT EVENT AND THIS EVENT. 199 00:10:09,827 --> 00:10:12,551 SO HE GOES AND LOOKS AT THAT REPORT. 200 00:10:12,551 --> 00:10:16,000 AND I LOOKED OVER THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CRIME SCENE. 201 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,896 Joe: AND HE'S LOOKING THROUGH THEM 202 00:10:17,896 --> 00:10:21,724 UNTIL HE COMES TO A CERTAIN PHOTOGRAPH. 203 00:10:21,724 --> 00:10:24,344 AND HE ALMOST DROPS HIS HEAD ON THE DESK. 204 00:10:24,344 --> 00:10:25,931 DENISE HARRIS' CASE. 205 00:10:25,931 --> 00:10:28,275 SHE WAS TIED UP WITH HER OWN SHOELACES. 206 00:10:28,275 --> 00:10:31,137 Joe: THAT HITS STEIGER LIKE A LIGHTNING BOLT. 207 00:10:31,137 --> 00:10:33,827 Steiger: THE FACT THAT MY VICTIM'S SHOE WAS EVEN OFF, 208 00:10:33,827 --> 00:10:36,068 THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY TOOK THAT SHOE OFF FOR A REASON. 209 00:10:36,068 --> 00:10:38,206 AND YOU WOULDN'T JUST TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF 210 00:10:38,206 --> 00:10:39,379 IN THAT COLD WEATHER LIKE THAT. 211 00:10:39,379 --> 00:10:40,965 SOMETHING WAS GOING ON 212 00:10:40,965 --> 00:10:42,758 Joe: IN HOMICIDE, YOU LEARN VERY QUICKLY, 213 00:10:42,758 --> 00:10:44,655 THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A COINCIDENCE. 214 00:10:49,827 --> 00:10:51,793 [ SIREN WAILS ] 215 00:10:51,793 --> 00:10:57,206 ♪♪ 216 00:10:57,206 --> 00:11:00,137 Joe: DETECTIVE STEIGER IS DEALING WITH THE HOMICIDE 217 00:11:00,137 --> 00:11:02,206 OF AN UNKNOWN FEMALE 218 00:11:02,206 --> 00:11:05,103 CLOSE TO THE JUNGLE IN SEATTLE, WASHINGTON. 219 00:11:05,103 --> 00:11:07,758 HEY. HEY. 220 00:11:07,758 --> 00:11:09,655 MIKE CIESYNSKI WAS A LEAD DETECTIVE 221 00:11:09,655 --> 00:11:11,137 IN THE DENISE HARRIS MURDER, 222 00:11:11,137 --> 00:11:13,241 WHICH IS AN UNSOLVED AT THAT POINT. 223 00:11:13,241 --> 00:11:14,689 TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. 224 00:11:14,689 --> 00:11:18,241 MY IMPRESSION WAS, THIS IS RELATED. 225 00:11:18,241 --> 00:11:20,896 SO I SHOWED HIM PICTURES OF MY CASE, 226 00:11:20,896 --> 00:11:23,068 WE WENT INTO HOMICIDE AROUND THE SAME TIME. 227 00:11:23,068 --> 00:11:24,172 HIM JUST A LITTLE BEFORE ME. 228 00:11:24,172 --> 00:11:26,793 I THINK HE WAS SIX MONTHS BEFORE ME. 229 00:11:26,793 --> 00:11:29,620 Steiger: BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE SHOE LACES WERE UNDONE, 230 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:31,344 THE OTHER THING THAT LED ME TO THINK 231 00:11:31,344 --> 00:11:35,689 THESE COULD POSSIBLY BE RELATED WAS THE GEOGRAPHIC PROXIMITY. 232 00:11:35,689 --> 00:11:37,241 THEY WERE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, 233 00:11:37,241 --> 00:11:41,206 PROBABLY LIKE 800 OR 900 YARDS AWAY. 234 00:11:41,206 --> 00:11:44,862 Joe: CIESYNSKI TELLS HIM HIS VICTIM, DENISE HARRIS, 235 00:11:44,862 --> 00:11:48,965 IS 42 YEARS OLD AND SHE WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER. 236 00:11:48,965 --> 00:11:53,931 DENISE'S MOTHER LIVED IN CALIFORNIA. 237 00:11:53,931 --> 00:11:56,068 I WAS ABLE TO CONTACT HER. 238 00:11:56,068 --> 00:12:00,310 DENISE HAD SEEMED TO BE BATTLING SOME SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS. 239 00:12:00,310 --> 00:12:04,241 DENISE HAD A HOME. SHE HAD A HOME HERE IN SEATTLE. 240 00:12:04,241 --> 00:12:08,344 SHE HAD A FIANCé. SHE ALSO HAD A CAREER. 241 00:12:08,344 --> 00:12:11,793 AND HER FIANCé DESCRIBES THIS WOMAN 242 00:12:11,793 --> 00:12:14,551 THAT HAS THESE CAREER ASPIRATIONS, 243 00:12:14,551 --> 00:12:18,551 BUT SHE'S A VICTIM TO ADDICTION. 244 00:12:18,551 --> 00:12:21,000 THE ADDICTION COMPLETELY CONTROLLED HER LIFE. 245 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:25,241 Joe: DENISE WOUND UP LOSING HER EMPLOYMENT 246 00:12:25,241 --> 00:12:29,172 AND ULTIMATELY LOST HER LIFE IN THE JUNGLE. 247 00:12:29,172 --> 00:12:32,965 DENISE'S BODY WAS FOUND LYING ON HER BACK, 248 00:12:32,965 --> 00:12:35,034 AND I COULD TELL FROM HER CLOTHES 249 00:12:35,034 --> 00:12:37,344 THAT SHE WAS DRAGGED A SHORT DISTANCE. 250 00:12:40,344 --> 00:12:43,620 SHE WAS WEARING A SMALL ZIP-UP JACKET 251 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:46,931 AND WHITE TENNIS SHOES 252 00:12:46,931 --> 00:12:49,655 THAT DID NOT HAVE THE LACES IN THEM. 253 00:12:49,655 --> 00:12:52,034 HER MURDER WAS HORRIFIC. 254 00:12:52,034 --> 00:12:55,103 HER HANDS AND HER FEET 255 00:12:55,103 --> 00:12:58,241 ARE BOUND TOGETHER BY HER OWN SHOELACES, 256 00:12:58,241 --> 00:13:00,965 AND SHE HAS A BELT TIED AROUND HER NECK. 257 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:08,034 SHE ALSO HAS HER OWN BRA STUFFED IN HER MOUTH AS A GAG. 258 00:13:08,034 --> 00:13:13,896 WHOEVER DID THIS REALLY PUT TIME INTO IT 259 00:13:13,896 --> 00:13:16,862 AND DID IT IN A REALLY SADISTIC WAY. 260 00:13:16,862 --> 00:13:20,275 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 261 00:13:20,275 --> 00:13:21,655 Ciesynski: THE FIRST THING YOU'RE THINKING IS, 262 00:13:21,655 --> 00:13:23,896 "WHAT'S A GIRL LIKE THIS DOING UP IN THE JUNGLE?" 263 00:13:23,896 --> 00:13:26,344 AND SHE WAS REALLY CLOSE TO A CAMPSITE. 264 00:13:26,344 --> 00:13:28,206 [ CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS ] 265 00:13:28,206 --> 00:13:30,689 ANOTHER THING THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING 266 00:13:30,689 --> 00:13:32,862 WAS THERE WAS A BEER CAN. 267 00:13:32,862 --> 00:13:36,931 IT WAS ABOUT HEAD-HIGH. AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT. 268 00:13:36,931 --> 00:13:38,517 AND THEY GO, "WHY DO WE WANT THAT?" 269 00:13:38,517 --> 00:13:40,310 I GO, "NAH, YOU KNOW WE GOT PICTURES OF ALL THESE OTHER. 270 00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:42,000 I SAID, "I JUST WANT TO TAKE THAT PICTURE. 271 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,344 IT KIND OF STANDS OUT TO ME." 272 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:45,344 [ CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS ] 273 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:50,793 ♪♪ 274 00:13:50,793 --> 00:13:53,241 WHAT DO YOU THINK? 275 00:13:53,241 --> 00:13:56,448 AT THAT POINT OF OUR INVESTIGATION, 276 00:13:56,448 --> 00:13:58,448 I DID NOT HAVE ANY SUSPECTS, 277 00:13:58,448 --> 00:14:00,344 BUT I WAS DOING A LOT OF RUNNING AROUND. 278 00:14:00,344 --> 00:14:03,068 WE WERE SHAKING A LOT OF TREES. COMES WITH THE TERRITORY. 279 00:14:03,068 --> 00:14:05,275 Joe: HERE WE HAVE A SITUATION -- 280 00:14:05,275 --> 00:14:07,965 AND THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT AS A DETECTIVE -- 281 00:14:07,965 --> 00:14:11,275 "WHAT FACTS CONNECT ONE TO THE OTHER? 282 00:14:11,275 --> 00:14:12,862 IS THERE A SERIES OF DOTS HERE? 283 00:14:12,862 --> 00:14:14,758 CAN WE PUT A LINE BETWEEN THOSE DOTS?" 284 00:14:14,758 --> 00:14:17,793 Steiger: AT THAT POINT, I WASN'T CONVINCED THEY WERE RELATED, 285 00:14:17,793 --> 00:14:21,137 BUT I WANTED TO KEEP THAT POSSIBILITY OPEN. 286 00:14:21,137 --> 00:14:23,586 ALRIGHT, MIKE, I'LL BE IN TOUCH. 287 00:14:23,586 --> 00:14:25,551 DETECTIVE STEIGER, FIRST AND FOREMOST, 288 00:14:25,551 --> 00:14:27,965 NEEDS TO KNOW WHO HIS VICTIM IS, 289 00:14:27,965 --> 00:14:32,103 TO REALLY BE ABLE TO BEGIN THE INVESTIGATION. 290 00:14:32,103 --> 00:14:34,241 HE NEEDS A CLEARER PICTURE 291 00:14:34,241 --> 00:14:37,689 OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. 292 00:14:37,689 --> 00:14:43,586 SO HE HEADS TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, 293 00:14:43,586 --> 00:14:46,137 Steiger: FINDING OUT WHO SHE IS WAS VERY IMPORTANT. 294 00:14:46,137 --> 00:14:47,620 WHERE DO WE GO? 295 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:50,517 I WAS CONFIDENT, BY MID-MORNING, I'D KNOW WHO SHE WAS, AND I DID. 296 00:14:50,517 --> 00:14:52,655 SO, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE BODY. 297 00:14:52,655 --> 00:14:54,689 Joe: THE CORNER INFORMS STEIGER 298 00:14:54,689 --> 00:14:57,034 THAT HE HAS IDENTIFIED HER BY HER FINGERPRINTS, 299 00:14:57,034 --> 00:15:00,103 BECAUSE THERE IS A POLICE RECORD. 300 00:15:00,103 --> 00:15:02,793 WE IDENTIFIED HER AS OLIVIA SMITH. 301 00:15:02,793 --> 00:15:04,931 Joe: SHE IS ALMOST 28 YEARS OLD. 302 00:15:04,931 --> 00:15:09,482 SHE WOULD BE 28 IN ANOTHER MONTH, HAD SHE SURVIVED. 303 00:15:09,482 --> 00:15:11,068 WHEN I LOOKED AT HER RECORD, 304 00:15:11,068 --> 00:15:13,586 IT WAS EVERYTHING I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. 305 00:15:13,586 --> 00:15:17,413 DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS, ASSAULT. 306 00:15:17,413 --> 00:15:20,103 SHE HAS LED A TRAGIC LIFE. 307 00:15:20,103 --> 00:15:24,137 SHE DABBLES IN NARCOTICS, RECREATIONAL USE, 308 00:15:24,137 --> 00:15:25,965 WHICH BECOMES AN ADDICTION, 309 00:15:25,965 --> 00:15:31,689 WHICH RESULTS IN HER SPIRALING INTO THE STATE OF PROSTITUTION, 310 00:15:31,689 --> 00:15:34,655 OF PETTY THEFT, TO SUPPORT THE DRUG HABIT, 311 00:15:34,655 --> 00:15:38,517 AND ALLOWS HER TO WIND UP IN THE JUNGLE. 312 00:15:38,517 --> 00:15:39,896 HOW DID SHE DIE? 313 00:15:39,896 --> 00:15:41,482 SEVERED CAROTID ARTERY. 314 00:15:41,482 --> 00:15:43,137 CAUSE OF DEATH - EXSANGUINATION, 315 00:15:43,137 --> 00:15:44,689 MEANING THE VICTIM BLED TO DEATH. 316 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:46,724 THAT OCCURS IN LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. 317 00:15:46,724 --> 00:15:48,482 HE THEN LOOKS AT OTHER STAB WOUNDS. 318 00:15:48,482 --> 00:15:50,758 THIS PERSON HAS BEEN STABBED IN THE CHEST 319 00:15:50,758 --> 00:15:53,827 AND SEVEN TIMES IN THE BUTTOCKS. 320 00:15:53,827 --> 00:15:56,620 NOW, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY DO THAT? 321 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:58,551 THAT'S UNUSUAL. 322 00:15:58,551 --> 00:16:02,068 Steiger: WHEN I SEE THE WOUNDS THAT SHE SUFFERED IN THIS, 323 00:16:02,068 --> 00:16:06,379 IT WAS A VERY QUICK AND VERY VIOLENT ATTACK. 324 00:16:06,379 --> 00:16:07,689 Joe: YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, 325 00:16:07,689 --> 00:16:10,206 "IS SOMEONE TORTURING THIS VICTIM?" 326 00:16:10,206 --> 00:16:13,103 IS THIS LIKE A CAT PLAYING WITH A MOUSE? 327 00:16:13,103 --> 00:16:17,034 NO, HE'S DOING WHAT HE DOES. 328 00:16:17,034 --> 00:16:21,586 BUT WHY WOULD SOMEBODY PLAY WITH A SHOELACE 329 00:16:21,586 --> 00:16:24,379 WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KILLING SOMEONE? 330 00:16:24,379 --> 00:16:27,000 HE'S GOING TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT THEM, PROBABLY. 331 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,413 FIRST PAIR OF PANTS IS UNBUTTONED, THE REST AREN'T YET. 332 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:35,241 AND THEN THIS KNIFE APPEARS BY HER, 333 00:16:35,241 --> 00:16:38,862 PROBABLY, AND SHE DRAWS IT 334 00:16:38,862 --> 00:16:42,275 TO TRY TO FEND HIM OFF, AND IT ENRAGES HIM. 335 00:16:42,275 --> 00:16:45,137 HE STABS, HE CUTS, HE SLASHES. 336 00:16:45,137 --> 00:16:47,551 AND HE RUNS. 337 00:16:49,827 --> 00:16:52,068 Steiger: THE MEDICAL EXAMINER 338 00:16:52,068 --> 00:16:55,724 POINTED OUT A TATTOO ON HER ARM THAT SAID, "TAYLOR." 339 00:16:55,724 --> 00:17:00,620 Joe: PEOPLE GET ART ON THEIR BODIES FOR A REASON. 340 00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:03,448 IT'S NOT RANDOM. TAYLOR IS SOMEONE 341 00:17:03,448 --> 00:17:05,517 OF IMPORTANCE TO THIS GIRL. 342 00:17:05,517 --> 00:17:07,172 WHO IS TAYLOR? 343 00:17:12,172 --> 00:17:15,931 STEIGER FINDS OLIVIA SMITH'S FAMILY. 344 00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:20,034 THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS. 345 00:17:20,034 --> 00:17:22,724 THEY HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER IN SOME TIME. 346 00:17:22,724 --> 00:17:25,724 THEY KNEW SHE HAD FALLEN ON HARD TIMES. 347 00:17:25,724 --> 00:17:28,896 THEY WANTED TO PREVENT THAT AND COULDN'T. 348 00:17:28,896 --> 00:17:31,379 SHE REALLY WAS A WONDERFUL PERSON. 349 00:17:31,379 --> 00:17:32,931 [ SOBBING ] 350 00:17:32,931 --> 00:17:35,586 NOTHING EVER WORKED OUT FOR HER. 351 00:17:35,586 --> 00:17:38,241 THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SURPRISED 352 00:17:38,241 --> 00:17:40,344 BECAUSE OF OUR LIFESTYLE, 353 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,620 BUT THEY WERE DEVASTATED NONETHELESS. 354 00:17:46,689 --> 00:17:48,655 Joe: HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION ULTIMATELY 355 00:17:48,655 --> 00:17:52,034 IS A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION. 356 00:17:52,034 --> 00:17:53,827 WHO COULD HAVE DONE THIS, 357 00:17:53,827 --> 00:17:55,655 WHO MIGHT HAVE A REASON TO DO IT, 358 00:17:55,655 --> 00:17:59,172 AND ULTIMATELY WHO ACTUALLY DID IT? 359 00:17:59,172 --> 00:18:02,103 LaVoice: OLIVIA WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP, 360 00:18:02,103 --> 00:18:04,206 THE MAN WHO HAD BEEN ABUSIVE TO HER 361 00:18:04,206 --> 00:18:06,344 AND HAD THREATENED TO KILL HER. 362 00:18:06,344 --> 00:18:08,827 Joe: STEIGER ASKED, "WHAT IS HIS NAME?" 363 00:18:08,827 --> 00:18:12,482 AND THE MOTHER SAYS, "HIS NAME IS TAYLOR SHAW." 364 00:18:14,206 --> 00:18:16,862 STEIGER, OF COURSE, THINKS BACK TO THE AUTOPSY. 365 00:18:16,862 --> 00:18:21,724 THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT TATTOO HAS JUST BEEN REVEALED. 366 00:18:21,724 --> 00:18:24,206 TAYLOR WAS, AT ONE POINT, HER LOVER, 367 00:18:24,206 --> 00:18:27,655 AND SHE CARRIED HIS NAME ON HER BODY IN A TATTOO. 368 00:18:27,655 --> 00:18:29,620 I'M TRULY SORRY FOR THE LOSS. 369 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:32,379 I'LL LET MYSELF OUT. 370 00:18:32,379 --> 00:18:41,517 ♪♪ 371 00:18:41,517 --> 00:18:43,827 Steiger: THE FAMILY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM, 372 00:18:43,827 --> 00:18:46,275 SO I ACTUALLY HAD TO LOOK FOR OTHER REPORTS 373 00:18:46,275 --> 00:18:50,551 WHERE HE HAD BEEN ACCUSED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AGAINST HER. 374 00:18:50,551 --> 00:18:53,551 OLIVIA SMITH, IN THE RECENT PAST, HAD FILED 375 00:18:53,551 --> 00:18:56,310 A PROTECTION ORDER AGAINST TAYLOR SHAW 376 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:58,344 TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM HER. 377 00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:00,689 NOT ONLY HAD HE THREATENED TO KILL OLIVIA, 378 00:19:00,689 --> 00:19:04,137 BUT HE HAD ACTUALLY THREATENED TO STAB HER. 379 00:19:04,137 --> 00:19:06,000 Steiger: I FOUND THAT VERY INTRIGUING. 380 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,103 YEAH, CAN YOU BRING IN A TAYLOR SHAW? 381 00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:09,793 I WANT TO BRING HIM IN FOR QUESTIONING. 382 00:19:09,793 --> 00:19:13,551 Joe: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY, BUT HE THREATENED HER LIFE 383 00:19:13,551 --> 00:19:15,758 AND SAID HE WOULD USE A KNIFE. 384 00:19:15,758 --> 00:19:17,827 THAT MAKES HIM A PRIME SUSPECT. 385 00:19:23,965 --> 00:19:27,137 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 386 00:19:27,137 --> 00:19:28,724 Joe: DETECTIVE STEIGER IS INVESTIGATING 387 00:19:28,724 --> 00:19:31,379 THE BRUTAL HOMICIDE OF OLIVIA SMITH, 388 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,965 STABBED TO DEATH AND LEFT TO DIE IN A STAIRWELL, 389 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:38,827 WHEN HE LEARNS FROM HER MOTHER THAT HER BOYFRIEND, TAYLOR SHAW, 390 00:19:38,827 --> 00:19:43,517 HAD THREATENED HER WITH A KNIFE IN THE RECENT PAST. 391 00:19:43,517 --> 00:19:46,655 STEIGER ALSO NOTICES THERE'S AN ACTIVE WARRANT 392 00:19:46,655 --> 00:19:48,034 FOR HIS ARREST. 393 00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:49,931 I WANT TO BRING HIM IN FOR QUESTIONING. 394 00:19:49,931 --> 00:19:52,965 SO IT'S A PERFECT WAY TO GATHER HIM UP 395 00:19:52,965 --> 00:19:55,379 AND FIND OUT WHAT HE HAS TO SAY FOR HIMSELF 396 00:19:55,379 --> 00:19:59,206 IN REGARD TO THE DEATH OF OLIVIA SMITH. 397 00:19:59,206 --> 00:20:03,310 Steiger: A COUPLE DAYS LATER, I HEARD THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN ARRESTED. 398 00:20:03,310 --> 00:20:06,344 I WENT TO THE JAIL AND TALKED TO THIS GUY. 399 00:20:06,344 --> 00:20:08,103 MR. SHAW, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT 400 00:20:08,103 --> 00:20:10,310 AN ACTIVE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION. 401 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:13,724 THIS IS THE FIRST BIG BREAK IN THE CASE. 402 00:20:13,724 --> 00:20:16,931 THE MURDER OF OLIVIA SMITHNO. HOLD ON. 403 00:20:16,931 --> 00:20:18,793 LOOK, LISTEN, 404 00:20:18,793 --> 00:20:23,275 I LIED. I'M NOT TAYLOR SHAW. 405 00:20:23,275 --> 00:20:24,862 LaVoice: THEY GO TO QUESTION HIM, 406 00:20:24,862 --> 00:20:27,413 AND HE'S SAYING, "YOU HAVE THE WRONG GUY." 407 00:20:27,413 --> 00:20:29,068 I DIDN'T MURDER ANYBODY. 408 00:20:29,068 --> 00:20:31,758 I SWEAR, MY NAME IS TIM WILLIAMS. 409 00:20:31,758 --> 00:20:34,758 Joe: HE CLAIMED HIS IDENTITY WAS TAYLOR SHAW 410 00:20:34,758 --> 00:20:39,000 BECAUSE HE WAS WANTED UNDER HIS OWN IDENTITY FOR ROBBERY. 411 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:41,068 I ADMIT, I GOT CRIMES. 412 00:20:41,068 --> 00:20:43,034 HE JUST WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO USE THE NAME 413 00:20:43,034 --> 00:20:44,655 OF SOMEBODY WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 414 00:20:44,655 --> 00:20:45,793 HE WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF SOMETHING. 415 00:20:45,793 --> 00:20:47,896 INSTEAD, IT GOT HIM IN JAIL. 416 00:20:47,896 --> 00:20:50,724 OFFICER! 417 00:20:50,724 --> 00:20:52,068 Steiger: THERE WAS A LOT OF RABBIT HOLES 418 00:20:52,068 --> 00:20:54,551 YOU GO DOWN, THAT SOUND LIKE THEY MIGHT BE INVOLVED. 419 00:20:54,551 --> 00:20:55,724 AND THEN YOU GET TO THE END, YOU REALIZE, 420 00:20:55,724 --> 00:20:56,965 "OH, THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT." 421 00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:58,517 AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND START OVER AGAIN. 422 00:20:58,517 --> 00:21:00,586 Joe: SO TAYLOR SHAW IS STILL OUT THERE 423 00:21:00,586 --> 00:21:02,689 IN THE COSMOS SOMEWHERE. 424 00:21:02,689 --> 00:21:03,862 STAND UP. 425 00:21:03,862 --> 00:21:05,241 AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHERE. 426 00:21:05,241 --> 00:21:07,448 [ SECURITY DOOR BUZZES ] 427 00:21:07,448 --> 00:21:10,103 SO WHAT DO YOU DO? 428 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:13,137 YOU CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE. 429 00:21:13,137 --> 00:21:20,172 ♪♪ 430 00:21:20,172 --> 00:21:23,344 STEIGER IS WONDERING WHAT HIS NEXT STEP WILL BE, WHEN HE HEARS 431 00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:26,103 THAT THERE HAS BEEN DISCOVERY OF HUMAN REMAINS 432 00:21:26,103 --> 00:21:30,965 IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE JUNGLE. 433 00:21:30,965 --> 00:21:32,413 Steiger: WHEN I ARRIVED AT THE SCENE, 434 00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:35,379 I WAS MET BY THE PATROL SERGEANT AND A COUPLE PATROL OFFICERS, 435 00:21:35,379 --> 00:21:37,586 AND THEY TOLD ME THAT A TRANSIENT 436 00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:40,310 HAD BEEN WALKING BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS, 437 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:41,896 AND HE WAS LOOKING FOR CANS AND BOTTLES, 438 00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:43,758 AND HE CAME ACROSS A SKELETON. 439 00:21:43,758 --> 00:21:47,034 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 440 00:21:47,034 --> 00:21:50,241 AND SO HE TOOK ME BACK BEHIND THIS WAREHOUSE. 441 00:21:50,241 --> 00:21:52,103 AND HE HAD HIS FLASHLIGHT AND HE WAS SHINING IT. 442 00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:53,310 HE POINTED, "IT'S RIGHT THERE." 443 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:55,517 AND HE POINTED IT AT A SPOT ON THE GROUND. 444 00:21:55,517 --> 00:21:58,655 AND I LOOKED AND I COULD NOT SEE ANYTHING. 445 00:21:58,655 --> 00:22:01,551 AND HE SAID, "THERE'S THE SHIRT AND THERE'S THE SKULL." 446 00:22:03,551 --> 00:22:05,586 WHEN THE SKULL CAME INTO VIEW, 447 00:22:05,586 --> 00:22:07,275 I COULD SEE THE GAG IN HER MOUTH, 448 00:22:07,275 --> 00:22:11,034 AND HER MOUTH WAS WIDE-OPEN, ALMOST IN A SILENT SCREAM. 449 00:22:11,034 --> 00:22:14,275 [ SIREN WAILS ] 450 00:22:14,275 --> 00:22:17,034 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 451 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:21,551 IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BONES, 452 00:22:21,551 --> 00:22:25,482 YOU CALL A FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST. 453 00:22:25,482 --> 00:22:28,724 THEY CAN FIND SOMETIMES WOUNDS ON BODIES 454 00:22:28,724 --> 00:22:32,068 THAT A PATHOLOGIST MIGHT MISS, BASED ON WHAT'S ON A BONE. 455 00:22:34,758 --> 00:22:37,172 Joe: THE ANTHROPOLOGIST TELLS STEIGER, THESE BONES 456 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:38,448 HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MONTHS, 457 00:22:38,448 --> 00:22:41,793 AND REPORTS THAT, "THIS IS THE BODY OF A FEMALE, 458 00:22:41,793 --> 00:22:43,241 THE REMAINS. 459 00:22:43,241 --> 00:22:45,034 I HAVE SOME MUMMIFIED SKIN AVAILABLE, 460 00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:47,758 SOME HAIR ON THE SOUL. 461 00:22:47,758 --> 00:22:50,586 THERE ARE SOME FRAGMENTS OF CLOTHING, A PLAID SHIRT, 462 00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,034 SEVERAL LAYERS OF CLOTHING." 463 00:22:53,034 --> 00:22:56,379 ONCE AGAIN INDICATING A HOMELESS PERSON. 464 00:22:56,379 --> 00:22:59,379 CAN WE ROLL THE BODY? 465 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,275 Steiger: WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO TURN THE BODY. 466 00:23:02,275 --> 00:23:06,379 YOU COULD SEE THE FEET AND ARMS WERE TIED BEHIND HER BACK. 467 00:23:06,379 --> 00:23:10,827 Joe: AND STEIGER ALMOST COLLAPSES WHEN HE SEES THAT THE WRISTS 468 00:23:10,827 --> 00:23:15,310 AND ARMS ARE TIED WITH SHOELACES. 469 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,758 Steiger: RIGHT THEN, THE BELLS WENT OFF. 470 00:23:16,758 --> 00:23:20,241 AND I SAID, "DENISE HARRIS WAS TIED UP WITH HER SHOELACES. 471 00:23:20,241 --> 00:23:23,275 OLIVIA SMITH'S SHOES WERE PARTIALLY UNLACED. 472 00:23:23,275 --> 00:23:25,448 THIS GIRL WAS TIED UP WITH HER SHOELACES." 473 00:23:25,448 --> 00:23:27,172 THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I USED THE WORD "SERIAL KILLER" 474 00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:29,206 IN THIS CASE. 475 00:23:29,206 --> 00:23:31,965 Joe: THERE IS NO LONGER ANY QUESTION IN HIS MIND 476 00:23:31,965 --> 00:23:33,586 THAT THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT 477 00:23:33,586 --> 00:23:35,586 IS FACED WITH A SERIAL KILLER. 478 00:23:35,586 --> 00:23:41,103 ♪♪ 479 00:23:41,103 --> 00:23:44,620 Steiger: NEXT TO THE BODY, THERE WAS A TOTE BAG, 480 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:45,896 AND INSIDE THE TOTE BAG, 481 00:23:45,896 --> 00:23:47,793 THERE WERE SOME PAPERS. 482 00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:50,724 HAD THE NAME ANTOINETTE JONES, 483 00:23:50,724 --> 00:23:53,310 AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRST CLUE WHO THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN. 484 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:54,517 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 485 00:23:54,517 --> 00:24:01,344 ♪♪ 486 00:24:01,344 --> 00:24:08,103 ♪♪ 487 00:24:08,103 --> 00:24:11,827 SO, ONCE WE HAVE A NAME OF A POTENTIAL VICTIM, 488 00:24:11,827 --> 00:24:13,586 THEN WE RUN THE NAME ANTOINETTE JONES 489 00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:15,517 IN OUR SYSTEMS. 490 00:24:15,517 --> 00:24:17,689 Joe: SHE IS A VERY SIMILAR PERSON, 491 00:24:17,689 --> 00:24:21,551 IN TERMS OF HER PAST, TO THE OTHER TWO VICTIMS -- 492 00:24:21,551 --> 00:24:24,310 SOMEONE WHO HAS FALLEN ON HARD TIMES 493 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:27,620 AS A RESULT OF CIRCUMSTANCES IN HER OWN LIFE. 494 00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:31,862 LaVoice: TO HER FAMILY, SHE WAS CALLED TONI. 495 00:24:31,862 --> 00:24:33,448 SHE HAD A GREAT SINGING VOICE. 496 00:24:33,448 --> 00:24:38,655 AND SHE HAD THESE BIG DREAMS OF HAVING A CAREER IN MUSIC. 497 00:24:38,655 --> 00:24:41,482 SHE ENDED UP GETTING PREGNANT QUITE YOUNG 498 00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:43,068 AND DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL. 499 00:24:43,068 --> 00:24:45,517 BUT THINGS DID START TO LOOK LIKE 500 00:24:45,517 --> 00:24:47,000 THEY WERE GOING TO WORK OUT FOR HER. 501 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,793 SHE MOVED TO COLORADO. 502 00:24:48,793 --> 00:24:51,413 SHE'S TAKING CARE OF HERSELF AND HER DAUGHTER. 503 00:24:51,413 --> 00:24:56,137 BUT THAT'S WHEN TWO REALLY HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN TO HER. 504 00:24:56,137 --> 00:25:00,310 Joe: HER BROTHER SERVED IN THE FIRST IRAQ WAR, 505 00:25:00,310 --> 00:25:03,275 SUFFERED PTSD FROM THAT INVOLVEMENT, 506 00:25:03,275 --> 00:25:05,310 AND TOOK HIS OWN LIFE. 507 00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:12,448 HER MOTHER SAID THAT ANTOINETTE COULD NOT RECOVER 508 00:25:12,448 --> 00:25:15,103 FROM THE DEATH OF HER BROTHER. 509 00:25:15,103 --> 00:25:17,586 ANTOINETTE HAD BEEN A RECREATIONAL DRUG USER 510 00:25:17,586 --> 00:25:19,689 BEFORE THAT, BUT THEN SPIRALED 511 00:25:19,689 --> 00:25:22,724 INTO A DEPRESSION AND NEVER RECOVERED FROM IT, 512 00:25:22,724 --> 00:25:26,896 CAUSING HER TO WIND UP IN THE JUNGLE IN SEATTLE, WASHINGTON. 513 00:25:31,620 --> 00:25:33,068 Steiger: THEY HADN'T SEEN HER IN MONTHS, 514 00:25:33,068 --> 00:25:34,620 BUT NO ONE HAD REPORTED HER MISSING. 515 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:37,103 SO WE COULDN'T FIRM IT DOWN, BUT WE WERE PRETTY SURE IT WAS 516 00:25:37,103 --> 00:25:39,137 IN MID-AUGUST THAT SHE WAS KILLED. 517 00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:46,724 HEY, I JUST GOT A CALL, ABOUT A THIRD VICTIM 518 00:25:46,724 --> 00:25:49,275 HAVING SHOELACES TIED AROUND HER WRIST. 519 00:25:49,275 --> 00:25:50,758 Steiger: I WENT UP TO THE HOMICIDE OFFICE, 520 00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:54,448 WHERE MIKE CIESYNSKI WAS WORKING ON THE DENISE HARRIS CASE. 521 00:25:54,448 --> 00:25:56,344 THEY HAD A CALL OUT, "DECOMPOSED BODY." 522 00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:59,724 AND GUESS WHAT? SHE WAS TIED UP WITH SHOELACES. 523 00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:02,482 LET'S GET THIS DOWN ON THE BOARD. 524 00:26:02,482 --> 00:26:05,758 Joe: WE HAVE THREE HOMICIDES IN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 525 00:26:05,758 --> 00:26:08,241 TWO OF THE CASES ARE VERY SIMILAR. 526 00:26:08,241 --> 00:26:10,586 GAG IN THE MOUTH, 527 00:26:10,586 --> 00:26:12,827 LIGATURE ON ONE CASE, 528 00:26:12,827 --> 00:26:15,103 PROBABLY THE SAME IN THE SKELETONIZED REMAINS. 529 00:26:15,103 --> 00:26:17,620 NO WAY TO TELL THAT, EXCEPT THE HYOID BONE 530 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:19,517 IS CRUSHED IN THE SKELETAL REMAINS, 531 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:21,000 AND THAT INDICATES STRANGULATION. 532 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,655 BUT YOU CAN'T SAY LIGATURE, BUT NONETHELESS, SAME M.O. 533 00:26:24,655 --> 00:26:27,551 THE DIFFERENCE IN THE THIRD CASE 534 00:26:27,551 --> 00:26:31,413 IS THE M.O. GETS INTERRUPTED BY SOME METHOD OR MEANS. 535 00:26:31,413 --> 00:26:35,172 AND STABBING AS THE METHOD OF DEATH. 536 00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:37,724 BUT THE SHOELACES ARE PLAYED WITH. 537 00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:40,517 Steiger: GEOGRAPHICALLY, THERE'S LESS THAN A MILE 538 00:26:40,517 --> 00:26:44,034 BETWEEN EACH THREE SCENES, IN A TRIANGLE PATTERN. 539 00:26:44,034 --> 00:26:45,241 YOU COULD BE AT ONE SCENE 540 00:26:45,241 --> 00:26:48,482 AND LOOK AT BOTH OF THE OTHER SCENES FROM IT. 541 00:26:48,482 --> 00:26:51,517 THAT'S WHERE THE SKELETAL REMAINS OF ANTOINETTE JONES 542 00:26:51,517 --> 00:26:53,862 WAS FOUND, AND FURTHER DOWN THIS SIDE, 543 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:56,586 AND THERE'S WHERE OLIVIA. 544 00:26:56,586 --> 00:26:59,931 I SAID, "I THINK WE GOT A SERIAL KILLER WORKING HERE." 545 00:26:59,931 --> 00:27:03,758 Joe: HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD HE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING? 546 00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:06,068 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY UNKNOWN. 547 00:27:06,068 --> 00:27:10,034 IS HE JUST STARTING OUT, OR HAS HE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS? 548 00:27:10,034 --> 00:27:12,275 WHO IS THIS GUY? 549 00:27:12,275 --> 00:27:14,034 AND HOW DO WE FIND HIM? 550 00:27:20,655 --> 00:27:24,206 [ SIREN WAILS ] 551 00:27:24,206 --> 00:27:25,931 Joe: WE'RE NOW AT THE POINT OF THIS INVESTIGATION 552 00:27:25,931 --> 00:27:28,379 WHERE STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI BOTH KNOW 553 00:27:28,379 --> 00:27:30,310 THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH ONE PERPETRATOR 554 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:34,793 WHO HAS KILLED AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE -- 555 00:27:34,793 --> 00:27:37,068 OLIVIA SMITH... 556 00:27:37,068 --> 00:27:38,689 DENISE HARRIS... 557 00:27:38,689 --> 00:27:40,965 ANTOINETTE JONES -- 558 00:27:40,965 --> 00:27:46,241 AND IS PROBABLY PLANNING MORE MURDERS AS WE SPEAK. 559 00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:51,586 [ TELEPHONE RINGS ] 560 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:52,827 MIKE. 561 00:27:52,827 --> 00:27:53,896 Steiger: THE FIRST BREAK IN THIS CASE 562 00:27:53,896 --> 00:27:55,482 CAME A FEW WEEKS LATER, 563 00:27:55,482 --> 00:27:57,413 MIKE CIESYNSKI GOT A CALL 564 00:27:57,413 --> 00:27:59,275 FROM A GUY WHO WAS IN JAIL FOR ROBBERY. 565 00:27:59,275 --> 00:28:03,551 HE SAID HE HAD SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DENISE HARRIS CASE. 566 00:28:03,551 --> 00:28:05,965 GUY SAYS, "HEY, I HEAR YOU'RE THE ONE WORKING 567 00:28:05,965 --> 00:28:08,827 ON THAT CASE WITH THE GIRL UP THERE IN THE JUNGLE." 568 00:28:08,827 --> 00:28:10,344 Ciesynski: SAID, "YEAH, I AM." 569 00:28:10,344 --> 00:28:13,482 HE GOES, "I GOT SOME INFORMATION FOR I KNOW WHO KILLED HER. 570 00:28:13,482 --> 00:28:16,000 I WANT TO GET OUT OF JAIL, AND I'LL HELP YOU FIND THE GUY." 571 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,137 IT'S NOT QUITE THAT EASY. 572 00:28:17,137 --> 00:28:20,482 TELL ME WHAT YOU GOT. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. 573 00:28:20,482 --> 00:28:23,206 SAYS, "I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD KNOW. 574 00:28:23,206 --> 00:28:25,517 YOU NEVER FOUND HER PURSE, DID YOU?" 575 00:28:25,517 --> 00:28:27,068 THAT STOPPED ME RIGHT THERE. 576 00:28:27,068 --> 00:28:29,586 I'M THINKING, "NOW, HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT? 577 00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:32,068 Joe: THIS GUY SAYS, "I WAS WITH THE GUY 578 00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:34,241 WHO DID THIS TO DENISE HARRIS." 579 00:28:34,241 --> 00:28:36,241 NOW, THAT'S PRETTY STARTLING. 580 00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:37,793 I'LL BE DOWN THERE IN A LITTLE BIT, ALRIGHT? 581 00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:39,068 Ciesynski: HE GOES, "ALRIGHT, DO THAT." 582 00:28:39,068 --> 00:28:40,827 BRING ME ONE OF THOSE CAPPUCCINOS, TOO." 583 00:28:40,827 --> 00:28:43,034 CAPPUCCINO? I SAID, "YOU GOT IT." 584 00:28:43,034 --> 00:28:51,172 ♪♪ 585 00:28:51,172 --> 00:28:53,034 [ SECURITY DOOR BUZZES ] 586 00:28:53,034 --> 00:28:55,034 Joe: DeWAYNE LEE HARRIS 587 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:57,655 IS KNOWN TO THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT 588 00:28:57,655 --> 00:28:59,965 FOR A LONG AND VARIED CRIMINAL HISTORY. 589 00:28:59,965 --> 00:29:03,758 HE GOES BY HIS MONIKER, OR HIS STREET NAME, 590 00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:06,482 WHICH IS "CHILLY WILLY," 591 00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:09,482 TAKEN FROM A CARTOON CHARACTER 592 00:29:09,482 --> 00:29:12,379 OF A LITTLE PENGUIN WHO WAS COLD ALL THE TIME. 593 00:29:15,448 --> 00:29:17,793 WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME? 594 00:29:17,793 --> 00:29:20,068 SO, I GO AND I TALK TO THIS GUY IN JAIL. 595 00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,931 I SAW EVERYTHING. 596 00:29:21,931 --> 00:29:23,103 HE LAYS IT ALL OUT. 597 00:29:23,103 --> 00:29:24,689 HE SAID, "I WAS UP THERE WITH HIM." 598 00:29:24,689 --> 00:29:26,275 HE STRANGLED HER. 599 00:29:26,275 --> 00:29:28,137 "HE KILLED THIS GIRL." 600 00:29:28,137 --> 00:29:30,379 TIED UP WITH SHOELACES. 601 00:29:30,379 --> 00:29:32,344 "TOOK HER PURSE AND THREW IT DOWN 602 00:29:32,344 --> 00:29:34,310 THIS STORAGE DRAIN." 603 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:36,793 HE SAID HE WAS UP THERE WITH A GUY NAMED MIKE SMITH 604 00:29:36,793 --> 00:29:38,689 AND THAT MIKE SMITH DID THIS. 605 00:29:38,689 --> 00:29:40,448 ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE STORY? 606 00:29:40,448 --> 00:29:42,344 OF COURSE. 607 00:29:42,344 --> 00:29:44,862 BUT YOU GOT TO PROMISE TO GET ME OUT HERE FOR HELPING YOU. 608 00:29:44,862 --> 00:29:47,379 I AIN'T MAKING ANY PROMISES. 609 00:29:50,827 --> 00:29:54,379 HE'S KIND OF HEEING AND HAWING ABOUT COOPERATING. 610 00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:58,965 FINE. 611 00:30:00,448 --> 00:30:02,310 [ SECURITY DOOR BUZZES ] 612 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:05,379 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 613 00:30:05,379 --> 00:30:07,448 SO WE GO AND GRAB THIS GUY OUT OF JAIL, 614 00:30:07,448 --> 00:30:10,793 AND SECURE A WAIST CHAIN ON HIM AND HANDCUFF HIM TO HIS SIDE 615 00:30:10,793 --> 00:30:15,103 AND HE PUT A PAIR OF LEG IRONS ON HIS ANKLES. 616 00:30:15,103 --> 00:30:16,517 Steiger: MY IMPRESSION WAS, 617 00:30:16,517 --> 00:30:20,068 HE'S A STREETWISE GUY. HE'S A PLAYER, RIGHT? 618 00:30:20,068 --> 00:30:21,896 I THOUGHT, "THIS GUY IS MORE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE 619 00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,448 THAT HE'S ADMITTING." 620 00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:25,931 Joe: STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI ASK HIM, 621 00:30:25,931 --> 00:30:29,724 "CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE DENNIS HARRIS WAS KILLED?" 622 00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:34,000 AND TO THEIR SHOCK AND AMAZEMENT, HE DOES. 623 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 SHE WAS RIGHT HERE, MAN. RIGHT THERE. 624 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,482 HE TAKES THEM THERE, TO THE EXACT SPOT 625 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:44,206 WHERE DENISE HARRIS WAS DISCOVERED. 626 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:47,862 WHERE'S THE PURSE? 627 00:30:47,862 --> 00:30:50,413 IT'S BACK THERE IN THE WOODS. 628 00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:52,931 Ciesynski: WE KEEP PRESSING HIM NOW 629 00:30:52,931 --> 00:30:56,137 ABOUT, "WHATEVER HAPPENED TO DENISE'S PURSE?" 630 00:30:59,172 --> 00:31:00,758 THERE'S NOTHING HERE. 631 00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:03,931 MAN, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW. 632 00:31:03,931 --> 00:31:05,689 IT WAS UP HERE, I PROMISE, MAN. 633 00:31:05,689 --> 00:31:09,172 I HIT MY HEAD ON A CAN, COMING UP THROUGH HERE. 634 00:31:09,172 --> 00:31:11,068 Ciesynski: HE DESCRIBES HOW HE STOOD UP 635 00:31:11,068 --> 00:31:13,517 AND HE HIT HIS FOREHEAD AND THAT BEER CAN 636 00:31:13,517 --> 00:31:15,206 THAT WAS IMPALED ON A TREE BRANCH. 637 00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:18,517 [ CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS ] 638 00:31:18,517 --> 00:31:22,068 CHILLY SAYS MIKE SMITH WAS HERE WITH HIM, 639 00:31:22,068 --> 00:31:24,482 AND MIKE SMITH IS THE ONE KILLING, 640 00:31:24,482 --> 00:31:26,793 AND MR. HARRIS IS JUST WATCHING. 641 00:31:26,793 --> 00:31:30,758 I AIN'T BUYING THIS WHOLE MIKE SMITH STORY, MAN. 642 00:31:30,758 --> 00:31:32,482 I DON'T KNOW, MAN. LOOK. 643 00:31:32,482 --> 00:31:34,137 YOU DON'T KNOW, OR YOU'RE JUST LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING? 644 00:31:34,137 --> 00:31:36,137 Steiger: I SORT OF PRESSED HIM ON IT A LITTLE BIT, AND I SAID, 645 00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:38,655 "YEAH, MIKE SMITH, WHAT A B.S. NAME THAT IS. 646 00:31:38,655 --> 00:31:40,655 YOU KNOW, COME ON. REALLY? THAT'S HOW YOU GOT?" 647 00:31:40,655 --> 00:31:43,586 MAN, LOOK. MAN, HE REAL, I'M TELLING YOU. 648 00:31:43,586 --> 00:31:48,137 Joe: SO, HARRIS GOES INTO SOME LENGTH DESCRIBING THIS MIKE SMITH 649 00:31:48,137 --> 00:31:49,517 TO STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI, 650 00:31:49,517 --> 00:31:52,517 AND SAID, "HE'S A BLACK MALE, HE'S IN HIS 30s, 651 00:31:52,517 --> 00:31:54,586 HE HAS A MUSTACHE." 652 00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:58,586 ALL KINDS OF SPECIFICS ABOUT WHO HE IS. 653 00:31:58,586 --> 00:32:01,068 GET HIM OUT OF HERE. 654 00:32:01,068 --> 00:32:02,724 Steiger: YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE MIKE SMITH THING, 655 00:32:02,724 --> 00:32:04,793 I WAS REALLY SUSPICIOUS OF THAT. 656 00:32:04,793 --> 00:32:06,137 HE WAS HERE. 657 00:32:06,137 --> 00:32:07,758 Ciesynski: YOUR MIND IS JUST GOING, 658 00:32:07,758 --> 00:32:10,379 IS THIS GUY PLAYING ME? I KNOW HE WAS HERE. 659 00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:11,793 WAS HE HERE BY HIMSELF? 660 00:32:11,793 --> 00:32:15,068 THIS OTHER GUY, THIS MIKE SMITH, I GOT TO FIND THAT GUY." 661 00:32:19,724 --> 00:32:23,862 THE QUESTION WAS, IS HE JUST A WITNESS OR IS HE THE KILLER? 662 00:32:23,862 --> 00:32:26,103 [ SECURITY DOOR BUZZES ] 663 00:32:26,103 --> 00:32:29,517 Joe: MIKE SMITH SOUNDS LIKE A MADE-UP NAME, 664 00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:31,586 AND THEY GO AND FIND EVERY MIKE SMITH 665 00:32:31,586 --> 00:32:33,551 THAT'S EVER BEEN ARRESTED IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON 666 00:32:33,551 --> 00:32:35,275 AND THEY GET A PICTURE OF HIM 667 00:32:35,275 --> 00:32:38,413 AND SHOW ALL THESE PHOTOGRAPHS TO MR. HARRIS. 668 00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:48,172 ♪♪ 669 00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:54,068 HE IDENTIFIES NO ONE AS BEING MIKE SMITH. 670 00:32:54,068 --> 00:32:56,758 HARRIS THEN BECOMES CONFRONTATIVE." 671 00:32:56,758 --> 00:32:58,482 "WELL, I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION. 672 00:32:58,482 --> 00:33:00,275 "FINE."WE'RE DONE HERE. 673 00:33:00,275 --> 00:33:02,448 "THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE, MR. HARRIS." 674 00:33:02,448 --> 00:33:06,448 [ DOOR OPENS ] 675 00:33:06,448 --> 00:33:08,586 [ DOOR CLOSES ] 676 00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:13,034 STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI REMAIN EXTREMELY INTERESTED 677 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:14,379 IN MR. HARRIS. 678 00:33:14,379 --> 00:33:16,413 AS THEY'RE MANEUVERING AROUND THE CITY, 679 00:33:16,413 --> 00:33:18,379 WORKING THIS CASE, 680 00:33:18,379 --> 00:33:20,344 THEY GET A REQUEST FROM ANOTHER DETECTIVE. 681 00:33:20,344 --> 00:33:21,551 HEY, JEFF. 682 00:33:21,551 --> 00:33:23,896 "COULD YOU STOP AND PICK UP THIS GIRL?" 683 00:33:23,896 --> 00:33:25,551 ONE OF THE OTHER DETECTIVES IS INVESTIGATING 684 00:33:25,551 --> 00:33:29,034 A COMPLETELY UNRELATED CASE AND ASKS US, 685 00:33:29,034 --> 00:33:31,137 "I GOT THIS LITTLE 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL. 686 00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:33,172 SHE'S A WITNESS TO MY MURDER, AND I NEED TO TALK TO HER. 687 00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:34,965 WOULD YOU GUYS MIND DRIVING OUT THERE AND GRABBING HER 688 00:33:34,965 --> 00:33:36,379 AND BRINGING HER BACK?"GOTCHA. 689 00:33:36,379 --> 00:33:37,793 AND SAID, "SURE, WE'LL DO IT." 690 00:33:37,793 --> 00:33:43,000 ♪♪ 691 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,758 SHE WAS A YOUNG STREET PROSTITUTE. 692 00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:50,551 ANGEL, YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS LIFE. 693 00:33:50,551 --> 00:33:53,310 I SAID, "YOUR GRANDPARENTS LOVE YOU VERY MUCH." 694 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:55,620 YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING HURT ONE OF THESE DAYS, 695 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:56,724 "YOU GOT TO STOP THIS. 696 00:33:56,724 --> 00:33:58,448 I MEAN, YOU COULD GET HURT OUT THERE." 697 00:33:58,448 --> 00:33:59,758 Ciesynski: "YEAH, YOU PROBABLY HAD 698 00:33:59,758 --> 00:34:02,862 SOME REAL PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, WITH BEING ASSAULTED 699 00:34:02,862 --> 00:34:04,724 BY JOHNS AND STUFF. 700 00:34:04,724 --> 00:34:06,620 Steiger: "HAS ANYTHING SCARY EVER HAPPENED TO YOU? 701 00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:09,965 SHE GOES, "YEAH, AS A MATTER OF FACT. 702 00:34:09,965 --> 00:34:11,655 SO, I'M COMPLETELY NAKED. 703 00:34:11,655 --> 00:34:14,206 AND THEN HE TRIES TO TIE ME UP WITH MY OWN SHOESTRINGS. 704 00:34:14,206 --> 00:34:16,620 [ TIRES SCREECH ]WHEN SHE SAID THAT, 705 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:18,758 I LITERALLY ALMOST DROVE OFF THE BRIDGE I WAS ON. 706 00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:20,517 I WENT, "HE SAID WHAT?! YOU DID WHAT?!" 707 00:34:20,517 --> 00:34:21,689 ONE OF THESE GUYS HAD PICKED ME UP. 708 00:34:21,689 --> 00:34:23,689 HE TRIED TO TIE ME UP WITH MY OWN SHOELACES. 709 00:34:23,689 --> 00:34:25,275 "I WAS NAKED. I THINK HE WAS GOING TO KILL ME. 710 00:34:25,275 --> 00:34:28,758 BUT I GOT AWAY AND RAN NAKED DOWN THE STREET." 711 00:34:28,758 --> 00:34:30,137 WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? 712 00:34:30,137 --> 00:34:31,965 AND WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THE TWO OF US PICK HER UP 713 00:34:31,965 --> 00:34:34,103 AND SHE STARTS TALKING ABOUT THIS SERIAL KILLER 714 00:34:34,103 --> 00:34:36,793 THAT WE ARE INVESTIGATING? 715 00:34:36,793 --> 00:34:38,758 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? 716 00:34:38,758 --> 00:34:41,034 UH, CHILLY WILLY. 717 00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:42,689 [ POLICE RADIO CHATTER ] 718 00:34:42,689 --> 00:34:45,000 WELL, MY, MY, MY. 719 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,586 CHILLY WILLY. 720 00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:48,137 "WE HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT GUY." 721 00:34:53,551 --> 00:34:55,137 [ SIREN WAILS ] 722 00:35:05,413 --> 00:35:06,931 [ SECURITY DOOR BUZZES ] 723 00:35:06,931 --> 00:35:08,379 Joe: DETECTIVES STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI 724 00:35:08,379 --> 00:35:11,413 HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING THE DEATHS OF ANTOINETTE JONES, 725 00:35:11,413 --> 00:35:13,793 DENISE HARRIS, AND OLIVIA SMITH 726 00:35:13,793 --> 00:35:16,206 AS BEING MURDERED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL. 727 00:35:21,241 --> 00:35:23,689 Ciesynski: WE GO BACK TO OUR OFFICE. 728 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,896 I PUT DeWAYNE LEE HARRIS, A.K.A. CHILLY WILLY, 729 00:35:26,896 --> 00:35:28,103 IN A ROOM. 730 00:35:28,103 --> 00:35:30,862 HE'S JUST SITTING THERE, SMOKING A CIGARETTE, 731 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,793 HAVING HIS CAPPUCCINO. 732 00:35:32,793 --> 00:35:36,379 AND HE LOOKS UP TO ME AND ROLLS HIS EYES AT ME. 733 00:35:36,379 --> 00:35:41,275 AND HE GOES, "MIKEY MIKE, T.J., DENISE HARRIS, 734 00:35:41,275 --> 00:35:42,689 I KILLED THEM. 735 00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:44,620 AND THAT [BLEEP] IN THE STAIRWELL, TOO. 736 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:47,000 I KILLED THEM GIRLS." 737 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,931 Joe: DeWAYNE LEE HARRIS IS THEIR SERIAL KILLER. 738 00:35:52,931 --> 00:35:55,275 ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT A LAWYER? 739 00:35:55,275 --> 00:35:57,482 I'M SURE. 740 00:35:57,482 --> 00:36:00,241 STEIGER AND CIESYNSKI KNOW, 741 00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:03,793 BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE REMAINS OF ANTOINETTE JONES, 742 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:05,413 SHE WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST VICTIM 743 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:07,000 IN THE JUNGLE. 744 00:36:18,827 --> 00:36:22,137 T.J., AS HE KNEW HER, RIPPED HIM OFF ONE TIME, 745 00:36:22,137 --> 00:36:23,344 OF SOME DRUGS. 746 00:36:40,482 --> 00:36:42,172 AND CHILLY SAYS, "IT'S ONE OF MY SPOTS." 747 00:36:42,172 --> 00:36:43,586 "WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THIS SPOT?" 748 00:36:43,586 --> 00:36:44,896 "BUT NO ONE COULD HEAR YOU SCREAM." 749 00:36:59,655 --> 00:37:01,482 "I JUST HIT HER. BAM." 750 00:37:02,862 --> 00:37:05,275 "KNOCKED HER ON HER ASS, MAN. GOT HER UP, PUNCHED HER AGAIN. 751 00:37:05,275 --> 00:37:07,275 THEY SAY I STRANGLED HER." 752 00:37:15,034 --> 00:37:18,551 AND HE SAYS, "ANTOINETTE JONES TALKED TO ME 753 00:37:18,551 --> 00:37:20,413 WHILE I WAS ATTACKING HER, AND SHE SAID, 754 00:37:20,413 --> 00:37:24,103 'DON'T HURT ME, DON'T KILL ME. I HAVE CHILDREN.' 755 00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:25,620 AND I LOOKED AT HER, AND I SAID, 756 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,241 'IT'S NOT TIME TO TALK ABOUT YOUR KIDS. 757 00:37:27,241 --> 00:37:29,344 IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO DIE.'" 758 00:37:40,724 --> 00:37:42,448 Ciesynski: HE GOES, "ACTUALLY TELL WHEN THEY'RE DYING, 759 00:37:42,448 --> 00:37:44,586 WHEN YOU GOT 'EM GOOD AND THEIR EYES ARE BULGING OUT, 760 00:37:44,586 --> 00:37:46,206 AND SHE PISSES HERSELF." 761 00:37:47,689 --> 00:37:48,896 "THEN, SHE WAS DOWN THERE, 762 00:37:48,896 --> 00:37:51,758 AND I THREW SOME CARDBOARD OVER HER." 763 00:38:14,655 --> 00:38:18,034 CHILLY SAID, "I MET HER DOWNTOWN IN A BAR." 764 00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:20,172 SHE CAME WALKING UP, AND HE GOES, 765 00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:21,241 "WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME THEM CIGARETTES?" 766 00:38:21,241 --> 00:38:23,068 SHE GOES, "WHAT YOU GOT FOR ME?" 767 00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:25,206 IN HIS HAND, HE HAD A BAG OF ROCK COCAINE. 768 00:38:25,206 --> 00:38:28,310 Joe: THAT'S A WEAKNESS HE CAN EXPLOIT, 769 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:31,724 BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE, "YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD." 770 00:38:39,137 --> 00:38:42,448 "WELL, COME WITH ME, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A SAFE PLACE. 771 00:38:42,448 --> 00:38:45,482 I HAVE A PLACE I CALL MY PLAYGROUND. 772 00:38:45,482 --> 00:38:47,689 HE DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FACT THAT HIS PLAYGROUND 773 00:38:47,689 --> 00:38:50,206 INVOLVES SEXUAL ASSAULT AND MURDER. 774 00:38:50,206 --> 00:38:52,517 HE SAVES THAT PART. 775 00:38:52,517 --> 00:38:55,103 FOR HE THEN ATTACKS AND KILLS HER, 776 00:38:55,103 --> 00:38:58,413 IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY HE KILLED HIS FIRST VICTIM. 777 00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:07,931 HE STRANGLES HER WITH A BELT, 778 00:39:07,931 --> 00:39:09,965 TIES HER UP WITH SHOELACES. 779 00:39:09,965 --> 00:39:12,000 HE HAD SEX WITH HER. 780 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,517 HE THOUGHT THIS WAS GREAT. 781 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,655 AND THEN HE MOVES ON, INTO THE JUNGLE, 782 00:39:16,655 --> 00:39:20,137 WAITING FOR HIS NEXT PREY TO PRESENT THEMSELF. 783 00:39:32,034 --> 00:39:33,724 DeWAYNE LEE HARRIS IS A PSYCHOPATH. 784 00:39:33,724 --> 00:39:34,862 THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 785 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:48,275 AT ONE POINT IN MY INTERVIEW, I SAID, "DeWAYNE, 786 00:39:48,275 --> 00:39:50,172 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I LET YOU WALK OUT OF HERE TODAY?" 787 00:39:50,172 --> 00:39:51,517 AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, 788 00:39:51,517 --> 00:39:54,000 "YOU'D HAVE FOUR MORE BODY BAGS." 789 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,137 Joe: NOW, CIESYNSKI AND STEIGER ARE CURIOUS ABOUT 790 00:39:57,137 --> 00:40:01,310 WHY THE DEATH OF OLIVIA SMITH WAS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT, 791 00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:02,793 THAT A WEAPON WAS INVOLVED. 792 00:40:02,793 --> 00:40:04,827 "TELL US ABOUT OLIVIA SMITH." 793 00:40:11,551 --> 00:40:15,034 IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, HE KNOWS OLIVIA SMITH. 794 00:40:23,655 --> 00:40:25,758 Steiger: WHEN HE DESCRIBED OLIVIA'S MURDER, 795 00:40:25,758 --> 00:40:28,482 HE DESCRIBED LURING HER DOWN THERE WITH CRACK COCAINE. 796 00:40:30,965 --> 00:40:33,275 THEY DECIDED TO GO SOMEPLACE PRIVATE. 797 00:40:33,275 --> 00:40:36,931 AND HE TAKES HER TO THAT STAIRWELL. 798 00:40:36,931 --> 00:40:38,793 AND THEN HE STARTS TO ATTACK HER. 799 00:40:38,793 --> 00:40:40,000 [ SCREAMS ][ GRUNTS ] 800 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,172 AND SHE DOESN'T WANT ANY PART OF THAT. 801 00:40:43,172 --> 00:40:45,620 Steiger: AND HE SAID, "I WAS GOING TO TIE HER UP. 802 00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:46,793 I WAS GETTING HER SHOELACES OFF, 803 00:40:46,793 --> 00:40:48,827 AND SHE PULLED A KNIFE AND SHE STABBED ME." 804 00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:51,655 AND HE SAID HE WENT INTO A RAGE. 805 00:40:51,655 --> 00:40:56,206 Joe: HE TAKES A KNIFE AWAY FROM HER AND JUST GOES CRAZY WITH IT. 806 00:40:56,206 --> 00:40:57,517 [ SCREAMING ] 807 00:40:57,517 --> 00:40:59,655 "I GOT THAT KNIFE AWAY FROM HER, AND I CUT HER THROAT. 808 00:40:59,655 --> 00:41:02,827 AND THEN I STABBED HER IN THE ASS A BUNCH OF TIMES." 809 00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:07,931 Joe: IN HIS MIND, HE HURTS PEOPLE. 810 00:41:07,931 --> 00:41:09,413 PEOPLE DON'T HURT HIM. 811 00:41:16,793 --> 00:41:18,379 REALLY? 812 00:41:18,379 --> 00:41:21,034 WELL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR CROWN OFF YOUR HEAD 813 00:41:21,034 --> 00:41:24,068 AND LOCK YOU UP UNDER A PRISON, DeWAYNE. 814 00:41:33,965 --> 00:41:36,275 Steiger: DeWAYNE HARRIS WAS CHARGED 815 00:41:36,275 --> 00:41:38,068 WITH THREE COUNTS OF MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE 816 00:41:38,068 --> 00:41:40,586 AND ONE COUNT OF ATTEMPTED MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE. 817 00:41:40,586 --> 00:41:44,448 AND HE WAS SENTENCED TO 94 YEARS IN THE STATE PENITENTIARY, 818 00:41:44,448 --> 00:41:46,482 WHERE HE REMAINS TO THIS DAY. 819 00:41:49,862 --> 00:41:52,310 Steiger: OLIVIA SMITH... 820 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:55,413 DENISE HARRIS... 821 00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:58,206 ANTOINETTE JONES -- 822 00:41:58,206 --> 00:42:00,000 THEIR MOTHERS LOVE THEM. 823 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,137 SOME OF THEM WERE WERE MOTHERS THEMSELVES. 824 00:42:02,137 --> 00:42:04,827 THEY HAVE CHILDREN, THAT LOVE THEM. 825 00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:07,275 THEY DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE. NO ONE DOES, LIKE THIS. 826 00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:12,034 LaVoice: DeWAYNE LEE HARRIS TOOK AWAY THEIR SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE. 827 00:42:12,034 --> 00:42:16,275 HE TOOK AWAY THEIR CHANCE TO PURSUE THEIR DREAMS 828 00:42:16,275 --> 00:42:18,586 AND TO MAKE AMENDS WITH THEIR FAMILIES. 829 00:42:18,586 --> 00:42:21,310 WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHO THEY COULD HAVE BEEN, 830 00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:23,655 WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE WITH THEIR LIVES. 831 00:42:23,655 --> 00:42:26,379 Joe: THIS WAS A TERRIBLE SITUATION 832 00:42:26,379 --> 00:42:29,965 RESOLVED BY TWO SOLID HOMICIDE DETECTIVES 833 00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:32,034 WHO DID THEIR JOB, 834 00:42:32,034 --> 00:42:34,896 WHO KEPT ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, 835 00:42:34,896 --> 00:42:38,724 AND SAVED ANY NUMBER OF LIVES IN SEATTLE, WASHINGTON.