1 00:00:01,379 --> 00:00:02,551 It's been three years, 2 00:00:02,724 --> 00:00:06,275 and we're still nowhere closer to getting this done. 3 00:00:06,448 --> 00:00:09,895 - Yeah. - And I want my life to move forward. 4 00:00:09,896 --> 00:00:11,688 Barry and I are not divorced yet. 5 00:00:11,689 --> 00:00:13,689 It's been over three years. 6 00:00:13,862 --> 00:00:15,378 It's really... 7 00:00:16,586 --> 00:00:17,757 ...really hard. 8 00:00:17,758 --> 00:00:19,688 The bright side of Olivia leaving my life 9 00:00:19,689 --> 00:00:23,310 is that I have a full and healthy relationship 10 00:00:23,482 --> 00:00:24,793 with my family now. 11 00:00:24,965 --> 00:00:27,102 Unfortunately, me and Olivia are not divorced. 12 00:00:27,103 --> 00:00:28,895 The paperwork did not go through. 13 00:00:28,896 --> 00:00:30,482 It's frustrating. 14 00:00:31,793 --> 00:00:33,895 At this point, she won't respond 15 00:00:33,896 --> 00:00:35,724 to my attorney or my texts. 16 00:00:36,724 --> 00:00:39,481 You may kiss the bride. 17 00:00:39,482 --> 00:00:40,689 Let's go! 18 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:44,724 After the wedding last night, 19 00:00:44,896 --> 00:00:46,620 Micah and Isaac got into a fight. 20 00:00:46,793 --> 00:00:47,895 He hit me first. 21 00:00:47,896 --> 00:00:50,275 I guess he kinda started it. 22 00:00:50,448 --> 00:00:52,517 Everything that was emotional that fueled the fight 23 00:00:52,689 --> 00:00:54,620 from that point on was you. 24 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:56,792 You said that Teegan was on OnlyFans. 25 00:00:56,793 --> 00:00:57,827 - Yeah. - Did you say that? 26 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,827 - Yeah. - You also called Kaylynn a slut. 27 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,205 You called Kaylynn a slut. 28 00:01:01,206 --> 00:01:03,102 No, I did not call her a slut, I called her a liar. 29 00:01:03,103 --> 00:01:04,206 I can't believe they're blaming me, 30 00:01:04,379 --> 00:01:05,724 but it is so up their alley, 31 00:01:05,896 --> 00:01:08,896 like, I just didn't think this far of a stretch 32 00:01:09,034 --> 00:01:10,724 could happen, but it did. 33 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:12,689 When you come in here and start telling us 34 00:01:12,862 --> 00:01:15,688 my family's the problem, and don't even know Olivia... 35 00:01:15,689 --> 00:01:17,620 She's a good woman to be like. I like her. 36 00:01:17,793 --> 00:01:19,068 - That's against-- - That concludes that your-- 37 00:01:19,241 --> 00:01:21,000 Micah, your woman wants to be like Olivia. 38 00:01:21,137 --> 00:01:22,068 Do you want that? 39 00:01:35,103 --> 00:01:36,689 Are you ready to go on our honeymoon? 40 00:01:36,862 --> 00:01:39,481 - I am ready. - Let's go. 41 00:01:39,482 --> 00:01:42,827 You look ready, I mean, come on, this outfit? 42 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,172 - We're heading to Europe. - Oh, my goodness. 43 00:01:45,344 --> 00:01:46,896 Gonna be in Paris for three days, 44 00:01:47,034 --> 00:01:51,102 Germany for two and a half weeks, so. 45 00:01:51,103 --> 00:01:52,102 And then we'll see. 46 00:01:52,103 --> 00:01:53,689 We haven't booked our return flight yet. 47 00:01:53,862 --> 00:01:55,275 So we'll see. 48 00:01:56,206 --> 00:01:58,171 I'm with my wifey. 49 00:01:58,172 --> 00:01:59,481 My wife. 50 00:01:59,482 --> 00:02:01,172 I'm going to Europe with my wife. 51 00:02:01,344 --> 00:02:03,000 Mm-hmm. 52 00:02:05,482 --> 00:02:07,896 The wedding was definitely very peaceful. 53 00:02:08,034 --> 00:02:10,827 It was perfect in every way, everything and more. 54 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,896 I think just having our people there, 55 00:02:14,034 --> 00:02:15,620 really just completed it. 56 00:02:15,793 --> 00:02:16,896 We're married now. 57 00:02:20,172 --> 00:02:22,482 Among other things. 58 00:02:23,965 --> 00:02:25,586 How did the wedding night go? 59 00:02:27,896 --> 00:02:28,895 "And did ya?" 60 00:02:31,896 --> 00:02:33,688 I mean, obviously, the wedding night 61 00:02:33,689 --> 00:02:35,620 is just between Zac and I, 62 00:02:35,793 --> 00:02:37,103 but I will say it was... 63 00:02:38,172 --> 00:02:39,689 um... 64 00:02:40,896 --> 00:02:42,896 pure and beautiful. 65 00:02:44,379 --> 00:02:47,275 It's such an intimate experience that there's soul ties 66 00:02:47,448 --> 00:02:50,689 that happen, like, actual chemical connection 67 00:02:50,862 --> 00:02:53,000 when you have sex with your surroundings, 68 00:02:53,172 --> 00:02:54,172 and so... 69 00:02:55,206 --> 00:02:57,172 ...that's-- that-- that-- 70 00:02:59,103 --> 00:03:01,827 - No, like-- like-- - Chemical connections to-- 71 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,103 - Chemical connections, like-- - Did I say that? 72 00:03:03,275 --> 00:03:04,309 That was weird. 73 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:05,999 Yeah, it was-- was weird. 74 00:03:07,551 --> 00:03:09,000 I don't even remember what the question was. 75 00:03:10,344 --> 00:03:11,792 I think, like, overall, 76 00:03:11,793 --> 00:03:14,620 what made the day so perfect was just this... 77 00:03:16,275 --> 00:03:18,172 I mean, everyone was there for us-- 78 00:03:18,344 --> 00:03:19,586 - Yeah. - And like... 79 00:03:20,689 --> 00:03:22,586 I-- I just don't know how to describe it. 80 00:03:22,758 --> 00:03:26,517 It was just like everyone was so overjoyed to see us, 81 00:03:26,689 --> 00:03:27,896 and everyone was encouraging. 82 00:03:29,068 --> 00:03:30,274 It was just such a great day, 83 00:03:30,275 --> 00:03:32,895 and, like, I didn't feel like there was any drama. 84 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:36,206 That concludes that your-- Micah, your woman wants to be 85 00:03:36,379 --> 00:03:38,413 like Olivia, do you want that? - So Micah, do you want a girlfriend like Olivia? 86 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:40,102 I don't. 87 00:03:40,103 --> 00:03:41,688 I know I'm at a crossroads, 88 00:03:41,689 --> 00:03:44,172 and it's either we spill everything out 89 00:03:44,344 --> 00:03:47,517 on the table and work through it somehow... 90 00:03:48,586 --> 00:03:50,171 or we spill everything out on the table 91 00:03:50,172 --> 00:03:51,724 and walk away from it. 92 00:03:51,896 --> 00:03:53,620 If you don't wanna change and accept my family, 93 00:03:53,793 --> 00:03:54,724 and actually... 94 00:03:54,896 --> 00:03:56,379 So, I need to change? 95 00:03:56,551 --> 00:03:58,068 Yes, you absolutely do. 96 00:04:00,310 --> 00:04:03,000 I have to change my beliefs and ethics. 97 00:04:03,172 --> 00:04:05,068 No, you just don't have to disrespect my family. 98 00:04:05,241 --> 00:04:07,000 I could never be-- 99 00:04:08,586 --> 00:04:10,724 Yes-- I don't know where you got that mud, 100 00:04:10,896 --> 00:04:12,792 but smearing it over everything? 101 00:04:12,793 --> 00:04:16,413 There's certain things that I might be wrong about, yes. 102 00:04:16,586 --> 00:04:18,068 I'm a human. 103 00:04:19,862 --> 00:04:21,103 I don't-- 104 00:04:22,689 --> 00:04:25,068 It might just be clickbait articles, but I don't trust-- 105 00:04:25,241 --> 00:04:28,792 How can you-- how can you find a clickbait article 106 00:04:28,793 --> 00:04:30,793 and accuse her of having it when it's just clickbait? 107 00:04:30,965 --> 00:04:33,206 Yes, because we're on our way to therapy for him cheating, 108 00:04:33,379 --> 00:04:34,999 and he cheats, and I was worried 109 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,999 that he would cheat on me with you, 110 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,274 because he had a weird-- 111 00:04:38,275 --> 00:04:39,999 Get the hell out of here. 112 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,931 How disrespectful to say that he would cheat on my girlfriend. 113 00:04:45,206 --> 00:04:47,586 I definitely feel for Veronica in this moment. 114 00:04:47,758 --> 00:04:50,206 I can't imagine being in a room where, you know, 115 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:51,895 you're feeling so attacked. 116 00:04:51,896 --> 00:04:56,793 I do think and know everything she said was a lie in one form 117 00:04:56,965 --> 00:05:00,275 or another, and I don't wanna excuse that behavior, 118 00:05:00,448 --> 00:05:02,310 but I do give her grace and feel for her. 119 00:05:06,793 --> 00:05:07,896 It might. 120 00:05:08,034 --> 00:05:10,792 It might be clickbait that-- a thousand things. 121 00:05:10,793 --> 00:05:12,103 There's "mights" to everything. 122 00:05:12,275 --> 00:05:13,999 Everything in this world, nothing is certain, 123 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,895 except life, and death and taxes. 124 00:05:15,896 --> 00:05:16,827 Look at these two. 125 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,689 Look at these two beautiful women. 126 00:05:18,862 --> 00:05:20,378 You have problems with them. 127 00:05:20,379 --> 00:05:22,000 That's not their fault, that's your fault. 128 00:05:22,172 --> 00:05:23,827 I don't really have problems with Kaylynn. 129 00:05:26,275 --> 00:05:27,586 it's possible I was wrong. 130 00:05:27,758 --> 00:05:29,724 It's also possible I was wrong about Micah. 131 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:31,895 It's also possible I'm wrong about being a blonde. 132 00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:34,310 It's also possible I'm wrong that I'm not the mayor. 133 00:05:34,482 --> 00:05:35,620 Yeah, anything's possible. 134 00:05:38,068 --> 00:05:40,310 Veronica, you never really apologized to me. 135 00:05:40,482 --> 00:05:42,620 - About what? - Much less anyone else. 136 00:05:42,793 --> 00:05:45,171 - About what? - Exactly. 137 00:05:45,172 --> 00:05:47,275 One apology I would love to get from Veronica is just 138 00:05:47,448 --> 00:05:50,689 the, um, the name calling, the belittling. 139 00:05:50,862 --> 00:05:53,896 It'd be-- it'd be awesome to know she didn't mean that. 140 00:05:54,034 --> 00:05:56,585 The fight was why we were here, but that was the cause, 141 00:05:56,586 --> 00:05:59,724 that was the anger that I was feeling be-- because of you. 142 00:05:59,896 --> 00:06:01,793 All the anger and everything, I would not have hit 143 00:06:01,965 --> 00:06:04,413 my own brother unless I had something like that 144 00:06:04,586 --> 00:06:05,999 built up inside of me. 145 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,724 The reason this actually happened, the punch that-- 146 00:06:08,896 --> 00:06:11,000 Are you gonna blame me for your nose right now? 147 00:06:11,172 --> 00:06:12,793 - Yes. - Yes, we all are. 148 00:06:14,689 --> 00:06:15,620 What is going on? 149 00:06:15,793 --> 00:06:16,896 Like, what is my life right now? 150 00:06:17,034 --> 00:06:18,724 Like, how am I here? 151 00:06:18,896 --> 00:06:22,103 Veronica, you have manipulated everyone in this family, 152 00:06:22,275 --> 00:06:25,792 and then there's high feelings because of some of this stuff, 153 00:06:25,793 --> 00:06:28,171 and it ends up in a-- in a punch fight, and that's too bad, 154 00:06:28,172 --> 00:06:29,586 and that shouldn't have happened, 155 00:06:29,758 --> 00:06:33,688 but can you not see that you're at the root of all of that? 156 00:06:33,689 --> 00:06:34,895 I mean, it could be that, 157 00:06:34,896 --> 00:06:36,482 or it could be the family dynamics. 158 00:06:36,655 --> 00:06:38,931 I don't think even not being there causing 159 00:06:39,068 --> 00:06:40,793 a physical altercation-- - Veronica. 160 00:06:40,965 --> 00:06:42,793 Everyone else in the family gets along. 161 00:06:42,965 --> 00:06:44,275 You're the common denominator. 162 00:06:46,689 --> 00:06:49,000 All of this would have a different outcome 163 00:06:49,172 --> 00:06:50,896 if she responded differently, 164 00:06:51,034 --> 00:06:53,481 but that wasn't her position at all. 165 00:06:53,482 --> 00:06:56,999 The more evidence we gave for what actually happened, 166 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,103 the more she dug her heels in. 167 00:06:59,275 --> 00:07:01,586 - Why did you come here? - To support Micah and Lydia. 168 00:07:01,758 --> 00:07:03,000 OK, well, you have done none of that. 169 00:07:03,137 --> 00:07:05,103 The cows didn't need your damn support. 170 00:07:05,275 --> 00:07:06,447 They're fat enough as they are. 171 00:07:06,448 --> 00:07:08,103 That's all you did, is hang out there in the mud, 172 00:07:08,275 --> 00:07:10,517 feeding cows, because you burned every relationship 173 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:12,688 with everyone here. - I'm getting attacked. 174 00:07:12,689 --> 00:07:14,724 You like the drama-- yeah, rightfully so. 175 00:07:14,896 --> 00:07:16,481 Veronica, the reason you're getting attacked 176 00:07:16,482 --> 00:07:18,931 is because you have attacked every one of us. 177 00:07:19,068 --> 00:07:21,172 Every single person here-- Amber, Kaylynn, Isaac, 178 00:07:21,344 --> 00:07:23,482 my mom, Ethan, Teegan, and me. 179 00:07:23,655 --> 00:07:25,275 - I have yelled at-- - Even people that are not here. 180 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Either I strictly choose her over my family 181 00:07:30,172 --> 00:07:32,000 and continue down a very difficult road... 182 00:07:33,206 --> 00:07:35,585 or I-- I just cut ties. 183 00:07:35,586 --> 00:07:37,895 Veronica's not gonna change. This is going nowhere. 184 00:07:37,896 --> 00:07:39,792 - That's right. - I think-- 185 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,310 I think we need to leave. 186 00:07:43,827 --> 00:07:45,344 Go back to Boca. 187 00:07:47,827 --> 00:07:49,586 And I-- we are done. 188 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:57,689 Kinda feels like Veronica just kept, you know, 189 00:07:57,862 --> 00:08:00,793 pouring lighter fluid on a whole bunch of different stuff 190 00:08:00,965 --> 00:08:02,724 and tempting me to light it. 191 00:08:02,896 --> 00:08:05,000 The truth always comes out... 192 00:08:05,137 --> 00:08:08,068 and nothing stays secrets for forever. 193 00:08:10,482 --> 00:08:13,000 I was shooting a wedding this weekend in Georgia 194 00:08:13,137 --> 00:08:15,171 and Ethan wanted to talk. 195 00:08:15,172 --> 00:08:18,586 And so we are gonna meet at a hotel in Thomasville. 196 00:08:20,896 --> 00:08:22,000 I feel a little anxious. 197 00:08:23,206 --> 00:08:25,000 Our last conversations did not go well. 198 00:08:34,379 --> 00:08:36,862 I think we need to go back to Boca. 199 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,172 And I-- we are done. 200 00:08:41,689 --> 00:08:44,206 When I tell Veronica that it's over 201 00:08:44,379 --> 00:08:46,758 and I think we both know that it's not gonna work out... 202 00:08:47,931 --> 00:08:50,000 um, she doesn't-- she doesn't really say much. 203 00:08:54,206 --> 00:08:56,585 I don't know. It's a good possibility. 204 00:08:56,586 --> 00:08:59,931 You put gasoline on a wooden bridge and lit a match, 205 00:09:00,137 --> 00:09:01,275 and threw it on there, and then said, 206 00:09:01,448 --> 00:09:03,172 "Oh, poor me, I can't cross." 207 00:09:04,206 --> 00:09:06,102 Um, maybe I did. 208 00:09:06,103 --> 00:09:08,689 Maybe I did light a match. 209 00:09:08,862 --> 00:09:10,999 Honestly, I'm more into science experiments 210 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,792 than bridges that can be burnt down by one match. 211 00:09:14,793 --> 00:09:17,481 Veronica, you probably don't see it because you are 212 00:09:17,482 --> 00:09:19,413 incapable of understanding this, but you missed out 213 00:09:19,586 --> 00:09:20,793 on a good family. - You did. 214 00:09:20,965 --> 00:09:23,482 - Yeah, amen. - Honestly, though. 215 00:09:23,655 --> 00:09:25,206 And that look right there says it all. 216 00:09:26,379 --> 00:09:28,275 That's the truth. 217 00:09:28,448 --> 00:09:29,792 Nice knowing you, Veronica. 218 00:09:29,793 --> 00:09:30,896 Touché. 219 00:09:39,793 --> 00:09:42,034 I deserve more than to get cheated on. 220 00:09:44,517 --> 00:09:46,310 I deserve more than to get lied about. 221 00:09:48,413 --> 00:09:50,792 I guess, when they went low, I went lower. 222 00:09:50,793 --> 00:09:51,931 Not by me. 223 00:09:53,689 --> 00:09:56,792 I was 100% on your side up until this morning 224 00:09:56,793 --> 00:09:58,999 when I found out you were calling me names behind my back. 225 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,102 And then I can't-- I can't do that. 226 00:10:01,103 --> 00:10:04,274 I don't think I could let people in that I don't trust. 227 00:10:04,275 --> 00:10:06,379 Then you'll never have relationships. 228 00:10:06,551 --> 00:10:07,723 And that's why-- 229 00:10:07,724 --> 00:10:09,378 I just want you to see that's why your relationship 230 00:10:09,379 --> 00:10:11,688 with this family failed, because you didn't let us in, 231 00:10:11,689 --> 00:10:14,068 not because we didn't let you in. 232 00:10:14,241 --> 00:10:16,274 - I let you guys in. - No, you didn't. 233 00:10:16,275 --> 00:10:19,689 Not by calling us names and backstabbing us. 234 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,103 I'm sorry for hurting you. 235 00:10:29,103 --> 00:10:30,310 I appreciate the words. 236 00:10:31,379 --> 00:10:32,931 I don't really believe it. 237 00:10:35,379 --> 00:10:37,620 Maybe it's genuine, and maybe it's not. 238 00:10:37,793 --> 00:10:39,310 I don't know. 239 00:10:39,482 --> 00:10:40,758 Fair. 240 00:10:40,931 --> 00:10:43,172 I've seen and heard enough today to know 241 00:10:43,344 --> 00:10:46,689 that I don't really want anything further to do with you. 242 00:10:46,862 --> 00:10:47,862 Ditto. 243 00:10:50,068 --> 00:10:52,000 Maybe I did sabotage it at the end. 244 00:10:52,137 --> 00:10:53,620 Maybe I was so tired... 245 00:10:55,275 --> 00:10:58,792 of this messed up family and this toxic relationship 246 00:10:58,793 --> 00:11:01,103 that I said, "Add the catalyst." 247 00:11:03,586 --> 00:11:05,274 So what if I did? 248 00:11:05,275 --> 00:11:07,102 I feel like I'm in chemistry class, like, 249 00:11:07,103 --> 00:11:08,688 mixing things together, and it's gonna, like, 250 00:11:08,689 --> 00:11:09,757 explode any second. 251 00:11:09,758 --> 00:11:13,000 - Does Micah know that we talked at all? - No. 252 00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:15,172 I know this will go bad. 253 00:11:15,344 --> 00:11:16,172 Mark my words. 254 00:11:16,344 --> 00:11:18,481 You're not emotionally intelligent. 255 00:11:18,482 --> 00:11:20,000 Grow a pair. 256 00:11:20,172 --> 00:11:22,896 As things progressed, I made up in my own mind... 257 00:11:23,896 --> 00:11:26,310 that I couldn't be with somebody that could treat me like that. 258 00:11:26,482 --> 00:11:27,688 I don't think it's normal 259 00:11:27,689 --> 00:11:29,688 to look up your brother's girlfriend's naked photos. 260 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:32,379 She's going around just spreading rumors. 261 00:11:32,551 --> 00:11:36,102 I was prolonging something that needed to happen long ago. 262 00:11:36,103 --> 00:11:38,172 My claws are out of their mittens. 263 00:11:38,344 --> 00:11:41,103 If I could wish one thing, I wish it happened sooner. 264 00:11:43,586 --> 00:11:45,688 I was scared to be alone, 'cause I thought alone 265 00:11:45,689 --> 00:11:47,103 was the worst thing. 266 00:11:48,517 --> 00:11:50,895 But the worst thing is a toxic relationship 267 00:11:50,896 --> 00:11:52,586 where you lose love for yourself. 268 00:11:53,689 --> 00:11:55,517 I want people to know I did love him. 269 00:12:05,758 --> 00:12:09,482 I was experimenting, honestly at this point, 270 00:12:09,655 --> 00:12:11,517 with a bunch of chemistry beakers, 271 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:13,896 fragile glass, toxic chemicals. 272 00:12:15,103 --> 00:12:16,206 And Micah and I were two... 273 00:12:17,275 --> 00:12:19,896 beautiful chemicals, but toxic together. 274 00:12:20,896 --> 00:12:23,793 And the catalyst was the family. 275 00:12:25,103 --> 00:12:27,206 Um. 276 00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:29,172 I never thought something like that would happen. 277 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,310 But I guess it's my fault. 278 00:12:36,413 --> 00:12:38,620 So what-- what are, um... 279 00:12:38,793 --> 00:12:42,103 what do you wanna do as far as, like, getting... 280 00:12:42,275 --> 00:12:44,481 - Getting my stuff? - Getting down there and getting your stuff? 281 00:12:44,482 --> 00:12:48,068 - I'm gonna take my truck. - Is she riding with you? 282 00:12:48,241 --> 00:12:49,103 If it's drug out, 283 00:12:49,275 --> 00:12:51,103 prolonged, lengthened, anything, 284 00:12:51,275 --> 00:12:53,103 it's-- it's gonna be even harder. 285 00:12:53,275 --> 00:12:55,206 Should I fly back and ship your stuff? 286 00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:57,000 You gonna ship my boat for me? 287 00:12:57,172 --> 00:12:59,689 I mean, I won't pay for it, but I can logistically sign it up. 288 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:02,103 Yeah, no, I'll-- I'll-- I'll drive you back. 289 00:13:02,275 --> 00:13:03,379 I'll drop you off. 290 00:13:04,586 --> 00:13:07,896 So after we break up, uh, my first response is, 291 00:13:08,034 --> 00:13:09,862 "You know, I can... 292 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,758 I will drive you back." 293 00:13:11,931 --> 00:13:13,689 I don't know if we should ride back in the same car. 294 00:13:15,034 --> 00:13:16,482 If you ride back in the same car, 295 00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:17,586 I think you should at least have one 296 00:13:17,758 --> 00:13:19,000 of us with you. - Probably. 297 00:13:20,379 --> 00:13:22,689 I was gonna say I-- I wouldn't go down there 298 00:13:22,862 --> 00:13:24,792 with her by yourself, 'cause you know 299 00:13:24,793 --> 00:13:26,688 how manipulative she can be. 300 00:13:26,689 --> 00:13:28,068 Yep. 301 00:13:28,241 --> 00:13:29,620 Shortly after, I came to the conclusion 302 00:13:29,793 --> 00:13:31,896 that seven hours in the car together would probably not be 303 00:13:32,034 --> 00:13:33,689 the best thing right now. 304 00:13:34,586 --> 00:13:36,896 I left Veronica with the producers 305 00:13:37,034 --> 00:13:41,000 and absolutely knew they were escorting her back to her home. 306 00:13:42,379 --> 00:13:43,655 Come on, Isaac. 307 00:13:44,862 --> 00:13:47,379 So Ethan and Isaac agreed to go with me to go down 308 00:13:47,551 --> 00:13:49,517 and grab all my things. 309 00:13:49,689 --> 00:13:50,792 I'm proud of you, Micah. 310 00:13:50,793 --> 00:13:53,000 Yeah, it took, I mean, it took a lot. 311 00:14:20,931 --> 00:14:24,068 Two trucks, two boats, a motorcycle, and a car. 312 00:14:24,241 --> 00:14:25,206 Yeah. 313 00:14:29,689 --> 00:14:32,862 Well, we got back late last night from picking up 314 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,999 all my stuff down in Boca. It was hard. 315 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,586 I guess not at first, 'cause I had been really frustrated. 316 00:14:38,482 --> 00:14:42,000 But, um, after, like, you know, we started going 317 00:14:42,137 --> 00:14:43,862 through the garage and getting the last of my stuff, 318 00:14:45,586 --> 00:14:48,758 it really hit me. I mean, I just broke down. 319 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:51,103 I couldn't help it. And she broke down. 320 00:14:51,275 --> 00:14:52,688 She was like, "Why, why? 321 00:14:52,689 --> 00:14:54,102 "Just tell me you never loved me, 322 00:14:54,103 --> 00:14:55,689 I need closure that way," and I was like, 323 00:14:55,862 --> 00:14:57,792 "I can't tell you that, I-- I loved you very much. 324 00:14:57,793 --> 00:15:00,275 "I've never loved anyone like I loved you. 325 00:15:00,448 --> 00:15:02,274 Um, never had a relationship like this." 326 00:15:02,275 --> 00:15:03,378 And then she was like, 327 00:15:03,379 --> 00:15:04,517 "Well, was I your guinea pig then?" 328 00:15:04,689 --> 00:15:06,689 I was like, "No, it was all very real, 329 00:15:06,862 --> 00:15:09,068 "and I'm sorry I had hurt you as bad as I had, 330 00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:11,931 but I just couldn't-- couldn't keep doing that." 331 00:15:14,379 --> 00:15:17,206 I think, uh, Isaac's old room. 332 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:19,586 But Zac's got all his stuff in there still. 333 00:15:19,758 --> 00:15:22,999 For the time being, I'm gonna unpack I pack my things, 334 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,620 settle in up here-- I think give it about a week, 335 00:15:25,793 --> 00:15:27,378 and then I'll go back down to South Florida 336 00:15:27,379 --> 00:15:29,379 and keep fencing. 337 00:15:29,551 --> 00:15:31,274 On top of everything that's going on, 338 00:15:31,275 --> 00:15:35,171 we found out Veronica is in the virtual realm, 339 00:15:35,172 --> 00:15:40,310 spewing out lots of-- of things that are just not true. 340 00:15:41,862 --> 00:15:46,000 Veronica is saying that me, Micah, and Isaac had left her 341 00:15:46,172 --> 00:15:47,862 abandoned on the side of the road. 342 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,378 - Yeah. - Absolutely not true. 343 00:15:50,379 --> 00:15:53,481 She's accused my family of abusing animals, 344 00:15:53,482 --> 00:15:55,000 which is not true. 345 00:15:55,172 --> 00:15:56,758 She's accused my family of incest, 346 00:15:56,931 --> 00:15:59,068 which is absolutely not true. 347 00:15:59,241 --> 00:16:01,172 All she is trying to do... 348 00:16:01,344 --> 00:16:06,274 is find anything that would make someone look bad 349 00:16:06,275 --> 00:16:08,102 and spread it out there. 350 00:16:08,103 --> 00:16:09,999 I don't think there's a need to entertain that stuff. 351 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,862 I think most people can easily read through that. 352 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,758 She acts like she's anti-bullying, but... 353 00:16:17,482 --> 00:16:19,517 I think trying to heal, trying to get over it, 354 00:16:19,689 --> 00:16:21,172 is going to be much easier for me 355 00:16:21,344 --> 00:16:23,275 if I don't look at all that stuff. 356 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:27,000 I've never said that she's a liar. 357 00:16:27,172 --> 00:16:31,171 I've just noticed that she may have embellished the narrative. 358 00:16:31,172 --> 00:16:35,068 Then I just started to realize she's proven she's a liar. 359 00:16:50,034 --> 00:16:52,482 Tonight, we're doing a controlled burn at the farm, 360 00:16:52,655 --> 00:16:55,241 and it will be a humongous cloud of smoke, 361 00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:57,137 and it'll look like a disaster. 362 00:16:57,310 --> 00:16:59,000 I'm just gonna make sure it doesn't get close to the woods. 363 00:16:59,137 --> 00:17:01,172 A little scary if you do it wrong. 364 00:17:03,275 --> 00:17:05,965 But a controlled burn will prevent 365 00:17:06,103 --> 00:17:08,724 a more devastating fire later on. 366 00:17:11,172 --> 00:17:13,137 It's OK if it keeps burning. 367 00:17:13,310 --> 00:17:14,655 Even though there's some good in it, 368 00:17:14,827 --> 00:17:17,000 you have to burn it all down 369 00:17:17,172 --> 00:17:19,482 and get rid of the good with the bad... 370 00:17:20,793 --> 00:17:23,448 if it's not salvageable, so you can start over. 371 00:17:25,793 --> 00:17:28,586 It kinda feels like Veronica just kept, you know, 372 00:17:28,758 --> 00:17:31,689 pouring lighter fluid on a whole bunch of different stuff 373 00:17:31,862 --> 00:17:33,344 and tempting me to light it. 374 00:17:33,517 --> 00:17:34,689 And every time we'd get in an argument, 375 00:17:34,862 --> 00:17:36,378 every time she would threaten me to leave, 376 00:17:36,379 --> 00:17:37,793 tell me to pack my stuff, get out of here, 377 00:17:37,965 --> 00:17:40,241 I didn't want to-- I had a box of matches in my hand, 378 00:17:40,413 --> 00:17:41,448 but I didn't want to use 'em. 379 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:43,068 That match had to be lit and thrown down 380 00:17:43,241 --> 00:17:44,379 on the lighter fluid. 381 00:17:47,896 --> 00:17:49,103 My therapist was like... 382 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,379 "Have you ever thought that... 383 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:57,344 "maybe, like, God sent Veronica to make you realize 384 00:17:57,517 --> 00:17:59,448 "you want to settle down? 385 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:01,793 "Not just take relationships and women 386 00:18:01,965 --> 00:18:04,000 "and all that stuff for granted, just for pleasure. 387 00:18:04,137 --> 00:18:06,344 "Like, there's actually a very rewarding relationship 388 00:18:06,517 --> 00:18:07,586 "with someone, not something shallow, 389 00:18:07,758 --> 00:18:08,793 just for fun." 390 00:18:11,862 --> 00:18:13,068 Even though she might not be the one, 391 00:18:13,241 --> 00:18:14,862 it might have taken her for me 392 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,241 to come to that realization, you know? 393 00:18:17,586 --> 00:18:20,896 You know, living a double life and not being transparent 394 00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:22,378 about my past. 395 00:18:22,379 --> 00:18:23,723 I cheated on her. 396 00:18:23,724 --> 00:18:26,655 I feel very, very, very [bleep] for putting her through that. 397 00:18:26,827 --> 00:18:29,586 You know, I learned that all that will catch up to you. 398 00:18:29,758 --> 00:18:30,896 The truth always comes out. 399 00:18:32,034 --> 00:18:34,862 And nothing stays secrets for forever. 400 00:18:50,689 --> 00:18:52,793 - Hey. - Hey! 401 00:18:54,137 --> 00:18:55,482 So it's been quite a week... 402 00:18:56,896 --> 00:18:58,378 hasn't it? 403 00:18:58,379 --> 00:18:59,551 Yeah, it has. 404 00:18:59,724 --> 00:19:01,241 I got a little gift for you, 405 00:19:01,413 --> 00:19:04,551 but there is one string attached. 406 00:19:04,724 --> 00:19:06,274 Where's the string? 407 00:19:06,275 --> 00:19:08,551 You have to teach me how to smoke one. 408 00:19:08,724 --> 00:19:10,482 Whoa! 409 00:19:10,655 --> 00:19:12,481 We've had a pretty chaotic couple of days 410 00:19:12,482 --> 00:19:13,896 here at the farm. 411 00:19:14,034 --> 00:19:16,688 Ethan is with me, and we're hanging out, 412 00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:19,896 enjoying a little bit of downtime after all of the... 413 00:19:21,103 --> 00:19:22,551 excitement. 414 00:19:22,724 --> 00:19:24,172 So I bite the end off? 415 00:19:24,344 --> 00:19:25,896 I've never really smoked a cigar. 416 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:27,034 One time in college, 417 00:19:27,206 --> 00:19:28,689 I took a puff from somebody else's, 418 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:30,481 but I inhaled deeply, and apparently, 419 00:19:30,482 --> 00:19:31,689 you're not supposed to do that. 420 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:34,482 Any tips for biting it off, like-- 421 00:19:34,655 --> 00:19:36,895 Just-- just the very-- just the very tip. 422 00:19:36,896 --> 00:19:38,551 - Just the tip? - Just the very tip. 423 00:19:38,724 --> 00:19:40,448 This is awkward. 424 00:19:42,379 --> 00:19:43,758 That's what she said? 425 00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:48,000 Not that much. 426 00:19:48,172 --> 00:19:49,758 I love hanging out with Ethan. 427 00:19:49,931 --> 00:19:51,103 I kinda feel like we're making up 428 00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:53,378 for lost time, you know? 429 00:19:53,379 --> 00:19:55,862 I'm glad for Micah that he got out of that relationship. 430 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,379 I was talking to him last night. 431 00:19:58,551 --> 00:20:00,895 I was like, man, if I could go back 432 00:20:00,896 --> 00:20:02,965 and I could get out of mine and Olivia's relationship 433 00:20:03,103 --> 00:20:05,481 as quickly as you got out of yours with Veronica's... 434 00:20:05,482 --> 00:20:07,793 - Yeah. - Man, but you live and you learn. 435 00:20:07,965 --> 00:20:09,171 Yeah. 436 00:20:09,172 --> 00:20:11,482 My mom and dad are not divorced yet, 437 00:20:11,655 --> 00:20:12,586 because they haven't come 438 00:20:12,758 --> 00:20:14,000 to an agreement on who gets what. 439 00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:17,137 And then me and Olivia are not divorced because 440 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:20,171 the first application wasn't filled out correctly. 441 00:20:20,172 --> 00:20:22,344 And after I hired an attorney 442 00:20:23,586 --> 00:20:24,896 to deal with it, 443 00:20:25,034 --> 00:20:27,896 she-- Olivia will not-- will not respond to my attorney. 444 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,585 Yeah, me and Teegan, I love Teegan so much. 445 00:20:31,586 --> 00:20:34,551 I guess the only thing is, like, where am I gonna live? 446 00:20:34,724 --> 00:20:36,862 I really, really feel like I need to be back down here, 447 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,758 but I don't think she can move down here at the moment. 448 00:20:40,931 --> 00:20:41,965 Do you know when she could? 449 00:20:43,793 --> 00:20:45,792 It doesn't bother Teegan that I'm not divorced, 450 00:20:45,793 --> 00:20:47,688 it just bothers her more so 451 00:20:47,689 --> 00:20:52,482 that nothing is happening to come to that point. 452 00:20:52,655 --> 00:20:55,274 I wanted to apologize to you for... 453 00:20:55,275 --> 00:20:58,482 going along with all the crap that Olivia did for so long, 454 00:20:58,655 --> 00:20:59,896 and I don't know why I did. 455 00:21:00,103 --> 00:21:02,034 The last two years, I really spent a lot of time 456 00:21:03,172 --> 00:21:07,379 reading and, you know, educating myself and, I guess, 457 00:21:07,551 --> 00:21:11,068 developing and just knowing why I think and believe the things 458 00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:13,586 I do so I can explain myself. 459 00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:16,448 And one of those things is-- is family. 460 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:21,241 You can't cut off your-- your family, you know, 461 00:21:21,413 --> 00:21:23,344 for your spouse's sake, you know? - Yeah. 462 00:21:24,275 --> 00:21:26,481 I really admire Ethan for, you know, 463 00:21:26,482 --> 00:21:29,379 really trying to make things work with Olivia. 464 00:21:29,551 --> 00:21:33,448 And, you know, I tried for 25 years with Barry. 465 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:37,379 You know, it's-- it's hard to try to make a marriage work. 466 00:21:38,689 --> 00:21:42,000 I probably won't feel fully free until I'm divorced 467 00:21:42,137 --> 00:21:44,758 from Barry-- I still feel just... 468 00:21:45,965 --> 00:21:47,758 chained down. 469 00:21:47,931 --> 00:21:51,000 - So anyways, I'm sorry for not standing up to her. - Yeah. 470 00:21:51,137 --> 00:21:53,172 I just, I wanted-- I wanted us to work out some of that. 471 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:54,688 - You loved-- yeah. - I loved her. 472 00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:57,137 I couldn't articulate my thoughts and feelings 473 00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:59,171 very well at all. 474 00:21:59,172 --> 00:22:01,171 It was clear to me you were walking on eggshells, 475 00:22:01,172 --> 00:22:04,241 and I hated that for you, so. - It's so freeing... 476 00:22:06,137 --> 00:22:08,172 to not walk on eggshells anymore, 477 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:10,068 to not answer to anyone. 478 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:18,379 Hello? 479 00:22:18,551 --> 00:22:19,655 Hi! 480 00:22:21,655 --> 00:22:22,688 Hey! 481 00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:24,448 - Oh, there you are! - How's it going? 482 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:25,896 - Good! - Where are you guys? 483 00:22:30,896 --> 00:22:32,551 - Oh, nice. - Wow! 484 00:22:34,655 --> 00:22:37,862 So how was it? How-- how did the deed go down? 485 00:22:43,965 --> 00:22:45,274 How-- how'd it go? 486 00:22:45,275 --> 00:22:47,274 Was it as good as you thought? - Definitely interesting. 487 00:22:47,275 --> 00:22:48,896 Lydia, be truthful. 488 00:22:53,862 --> 00:22:57,000 Uh, Micah and Veronica broke up, so I went and helped Micah 489 00:22:57,137 --> 00:22:59,482 move up from Boca to Georgia. 490 00:23:03,655 --> 00:23:06,448 Lydia, did you know Micah and Isaac got into a fight 491 00:23:07,379 --> 00:23:09,274 the night of your wedding over Veronica? 492 00:23:09,275 --> 00:23:11,792 Isaac sent Micah to the ER. 493 00:23:11,793 --> 00:23:13,585 He hit him with his elbow. 494 00:23:13,586 --> 00:23:15,655 He had to get stitches in the nose. 495 00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:17,792 You know, the outcome of that was that 496 00:23:17,793 --> 00:23:20,275 they're no longer together. - Yeah. 497 00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:28,344 Yeah, Zac, uh, do me a favor, uh, fill-- make sure you fill 498 00:23:28,517 --> 00:23:29,758 those croissants-- 499 00:23:29,931 --> 00:23:31,275 those croissants with cream. 500 00:23:34,551 --> 00:23:36,448 Yeah, OK, bye! 501 00:23:37,862 --> 00:23:38,896 Love you! 502 00:23:40,034 --> 00:23:41,172 We didn't keep them on the phone long 503 00:23:41,344 --> 00:23:43,000 'cause they have pressing business... 504 00:23:44,793 --> 00:23:45,965 pressing up against each other. 505 00:23:47,758 --> 00:23:49,241 - Oh, you had to go there. - I did. 506 00:23:51,689 --> 00:23:54,275 I was hoping you'd buy me a drink. 507 00:23:54,448 --> 00:23:55,862 Oh, well, what do you want? 508 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,688 If you wanna be stingy, you can get me a glass, 509 00:23:57,689 --> 00:23:58,896 but otherwise, get me the bottle. 510 00:24:00,068 --> 00:24:02,689 No, no, no, no. I'll do that. 511 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,585 Will you please stop slandering and disrespecting 512 00:24:06,586 --> 00:24:09,379 my family in public for things, 513 00:24:09,551 --> 00:24:12,378 whether you perceive them to be true or not? 514 00:24:12,379 --> 00:24:15,586 Olivia seems to be coming closer and closer 515 00:24:15,758 --> 00:24:19,655 to what Veronica is, and that's a sad reality. 516 00:24:44,689 --> 00:24:47,551 Olivia, interview, AB marker. 517 00:24:49,034 --> 00:24:51,862 One husband didn't work out. I'm trying for four now. 518 00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:56,793 I, um, I am divorced in spirit, 519 00:24:56,965 --> 00:24:59,172 uh, not in legal paperwork, yeah. 520 00:25:00,793 --> 00:25:03,481 I was shooting a wedding this weekend in Georgia, 521 00:25:03,482 --> 00:25:05,792 and Ethan reached out. 522 00:25:05,793 --> 00:25:08,688 He said he wanted to talk, and so we are gonna meet 523 00:25:08,689 --> 00:25:10,000 at a hotel in Thomasville. 524 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,482 I'm living in Washington, DC. 525 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:18,068 I moved there from LA and... 526 00:25:18,241 --> 00:25:19,586 signed a six-month lease in the city, 527 00:25:19,758 --> 00:25:21,895 just tried it out, explored, lived on my own for a bit. 528 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:24,481 And then afterwards, Brendan and I signed a lease 529 00:25:24,482 --> 00:25:26,551 on a townhome together and moved in. 530 00:25:26,724 --> 00:25:28,689 And yeah, I am so happy. 531 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:34,137 The last time I saw Ethan, uh, well, the last time Ethan 532 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:37,655 and I spoke was when I was in Minnesota, 533 00:25:37,827 --> 00:25:39,689 um, trying to get him to sign paperwork 534 00:25:39,862 --> 00:25:40,758 to get all that finalized. 535 00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:42,000 He did sign paperwork, 536 00:25:42,172 --> 00:25:43,482 but he didn't fill it out properly. 537 00:25:43,655 --> 00:25:44,655 So it was flagged by the courts, 538 00:25:44,827 --> 00:25:46,344 it never went through. 539 00:25:46,517 --> 00:25:49,000 So I feel a little anxious about it. 540 00:25:49,137 --> 00:25:50,896 Our last conversations didn't go well, 541 00:25:51,034 --> 00:25:52,482 but at the end of the day, I would love 542 00:25:52,655 --> 00:25:55,275 to at least walk away from this and be divorced. 543 00:26:10,862 --> 00:26:12,965 I'm here at Kin Wine in Thomasville. 544 00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:17,378 Barry and I finally came to an agreement, 545 00:26:17,379 --> 00:26:21,274 signed, notarized, done just a couple days ago. 546 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:24,000 And we are officially divorced. 547 00:26:24,172 --> 00:26:25,965 We went back and forth for over three years, 548 00:26:26,103 --> 00:26:29,171 and then finally we decided to sit down and do mediation. 549 00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:33,896 And that got us in one day to settle everything. 550 00:26:34,034 --> 00:26:35,862 And so now, I thought it would be nice 551 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,068 to just meet and have a glass of wine 552 00:26:38,241 --> 00:26:42,688 and just kind of close that chapter officially, 553 00:26:42,689 --> 00:26:44,000 and that's what we're doing. 554 00:26:52,137 --> 00:26:56,068 After a year and a half of nothing, 555 00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:58,000 not answering my texts, blocking me, 556 00:26:58,172 --> 00:27:00,379 not fixing the paperwork, not making any effort 557 00:27:00,551 --> 00:27:03,275 to be divorced, Ethan finally unblocked me. 558 00:27:03,448 --> 00:27:06,103 This was, like, a month and a half ago, maybe. 559 00:27:06,275 --> 00:27:07,965 And he was very, very, very urgent. 560 00:27:08,103 --> 00:27:09,137 "We need to get divorced immediately, 561 00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:10,378 we need to get divorced now." 562 00:27:10,379 --> 00:27:12,792 And I'm like, "What is going on?" 563 00:27:12,793 --> 00:27:14,585 I was traveling overseas at that moment. 564 00:27:14,586 --> 00:27:16,172 And I was like, "Listen, I will deal with this 565 00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:17,688 "in a hot minute-- like, you made me wait 566 00:27:17,689 --> 00:27:20,448 "a year and a half, I'm not bending over backwards 567 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:22,758 to make this happen right now for you." 568 00:27:22,931 --> 00:27:25,585 And then, um, I learned that same day 569 00:27:25,586 --> 00:27:27,482 that was the day he posted his new girlfriend online. 570 00:27:29,172 --> 00:27:31,000 So I'm not saying there's a correlation, 571 00:27:31,172 --> 00:27:32,895 but you can draw what you will from that. 572 00:27:32,896 --> 00:27:34,275 And so here I am. 573 00:27:34,448 --> 00:27:37,379 Let's get it all done. All in one weekend. 574 00:27:46,241 --> 00:27:47,551 - Hello, hello. - Hi! 575 00:27:47,724 --> 00:27:48,757 - How are you doing? - Good. 576 00:27:48,758 --> 00:27:51,103 - How are you doing? - I'm doing OK. 577 00:27:52,275 --> 00:27:54,000 I'm just so relieved! 578 00:27:55,931 --> 00:27:57,481 I'm like... 579 00:27:57,482 --> 00:27:59,172 "Oh, boy!" Whoo! 580 00:28:00,275 --> 00:28:01,793 So what are you drinking? 581 00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:06,000 Well, I was hoping you'd buy me a drink. 582 00:28:06,172 --> 00:28:07,585 Oh-- well, what do you want? 583 00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:10,862 Um, white wine. I prefer a bottle. 584 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,688 If you wanna be stingy, you can get me a glass, 585 00:28:12,689 --> 00:28:13,896 but otherwise, get me the bottle. 586 00:28:15,172 --> 00:28:18,379 No, no, no, no. I'll do that. 587 00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:20,103 - Bottoms up, girl. - OK, thank you. 588 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,758 Yeah, here we are, you know? 589 00:28:25,931 --> 00:28:28,758 And, you know, somebody was whining. 590 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,137 We've got a "Alice" or Alice [American English]. 591 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:34,965 - Mh-hmm. - And then here's your non-alcoholic spritz. 592 00:28:35,103 --> 00:28:36,137 - Alright. - Thank you. 593 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:37,274 Thank you, thank you. 594 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,241 Yeah. 595 00:28:40,413 --> 00:28:43,379 This is my, uh, mini divorce party right now, 596 00:28:43,551 --> 00:28:45,688 but, um, sometime I'll get my girlfriends together 597 00:28:45,689 --> 00:28:47,275 and we'll plan something fun. 598 00:28:48,758 --> 00:28:49,793 And this ain't it. 599 00:28:59,275 --> 00:29:00,379 Is Ethan coming? 600 00:29:16,448 --> 00:29:19,585 Ethan and I said we'd meet at 4:00 at the hotel here. 601 00:29:19,586 --> 00:29:21,689 He just texted me and said, "I'll be there at 5:00PM." 602 00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:24,344 So... 603 00:29:26,689 --> 00:29:27,793 It's Ethan Plath. 604 00:29:35,103 --> 00:29:37,481 So if we can sell the house, 605 00:29:37,482 --> 00:29:40,551 um, and get that other property paid off, 606 00:29:40,724 --> 00:29:42,896 then I feel like that's a step in the right direction. 607 00:29:43,034 --> 00:29:45,448 Yeah, that'll be big. 608 00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:47,862 Uh, Kim and I have agreed to sell the white house, 609 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,103 so we're both on board with that. 610 00:29:50,275 --> 00:29:53,895 And I'll be moving to one of our properties in Cairo, 611 00:29:53,896 --> 00:29:57,274 and Kim will be doing whatever she has planned to do. 612 00:29:57,275 --> 00:29:59,862 I like the idea of me living out on the farm, 613 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,241 like in a camper or something, and, um, you know, 614 00:30:03,413 --> 00:30:06,171 Ethan and/or Micah and/or Isaac 615 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:08,068 building and living on the property, 616 00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:10,482 you know? - There's a certain dynamic 617 00:30:11,482 --> 00:30:14,793 that Ethan, Micah, and Isaac have together. 618 00:30:14,965 --> 00:30:16,585 - Yeah. - Right? 619 00:30:16,586 --> 00:30:20,862 So they got the brother bond, and, uh, the brother bond 620 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,482 wasn't there for all those years when you know, the who... 621 00:30:25,862 --> 00:30:27,655 you know, was around. - Yeah. 622 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,379 - And, um, things weren't smooth. - Yeah. 623 00:30:30,551 --> 00:30:31,586 Right? 624 00:30:37,172 --> 00:30:38,586 Ethan [bleep] Plath. 625 00:30:48,482 --> 00:30:50,482 No, did he text you? 626 00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,172 That means, like, he just left. 627 00:31:01,586 --> 00:31:03,481 Definitely gonna give him [bleep]. 628 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,172 Please leave your message. 629 00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:10,000 We'll see what he has to say for himself. 630 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:11,274 I mean, I don't-- 631 00:31:11,275 --> 00:31:13,241 when I was married to him, I took it personally 632 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:15,068 that he did not communicate with me. 633 00:31:16,551 --> 00:31:18,792 Yeah, he called the meeting, so I think he owes me 634 00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:20,965 communication, but, like, it's not personal. 635 00:31:21,103 --> 00:31:22,344 It's who he is as a person. 636 00:31:22,517 --> 00:31:23,758 It's how he treats people. 637 00:31:25,137 --> 00:31:26,344 OK. 638 00:31:53,068 --> 00:31:54,551 How you doing? 639 00:31:54,724 --> 00:31:57,103 - Why are you so late? - I had stuff to do. 640 00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:58,448 - Yeah? - Yeah. 641 00:31:59,862 --> 00:32:01,034 OK. 642 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,068 Two hours late? 643 00:32:05,482 --> 00:32:06,895 I would like for this to be done, 644 00:32:06,896 --> 00:32:08,275 and I would like for this to be wrapped up 645 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:09,689 so we could both move on. 646 00:32:09,862 --> 00:32:11,448 All that you had to do was just talk to my attorney, 647 00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:12,965 and I didn't know why you weren't. 648 00:32:13,896 --> 00:32:15,655 Yeah, well, I was overseas when you guys were trying 649 00:32:15,827 --> 00:32:17,482 to contact me originally. 650 00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:18,930 Look... 651 00:32:18,931 --> 00:32:22,171 I am not arguing with you over the details of the divorce. 652 00:32:22,172 --> 00:32:24,758 All I'm saying is I have everything lined up. 653 00:32:24,931 --> 00:32:27,379 Let's do it, and move on. 654 00:32:27,551 --> 00:32:28,793 You made me wait a year and a half. 655 00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:31,482 You can at least be polite about asking. 656 00:32:32,586 --> 00:32:34,862 And I asked you politely in every way. 657 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,241 I'm not apologizing for any of that. 658 00:32:45,068 --> 00:32:46,792 The crazy thing is, just a few short years ago, 659 00:32:46,793 --> 00:32:49,758 we were standing in the driveway, and that whole, 660 00:32:50,793 --> 00:32:53,274 uh, incident went down. - Mm-hmm. 661 00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:56,171 - So that's quite a-- - And that was all Olivia-driven. 662 00:32:56,172 --> 00:32:57,585 - Well, yeah. - I mean, 663 00:32:57,586 --> 00:32:59,655 Ethan went along with it, but he really didn't-- 664 00:32:59,827 --> 00:33:01,896 he was trying to save his marriage. 665 00:33:02,034 --> 00:33:02,964 You know? 666 00:33:02,965 --> 00:33:04,586 Yeah, I mean, that's understandable. 667 00:33:04,758 --> 00:33:06,241 And I see how that was, so. 668 00:33:06,413 --> 00:33:09,585 But it's just kind of a-- a big change. 669 00:33:09,586 --> 00:33:13,241 - Oh, yeah, definitely. - To now, where he's changed. 670 00:33:13,413 --> 00:33:15,448 He's changed. He's become more like... 671 00:33:16,448 --> 00:33:17,862 - The happy guy. - Yeah. 672 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,379 - Hey. - Hey. 673 00:33:26,862 --> 00:33:28,137 How you doing? 674 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,758 - Why are you so late? - I had stuff to do. 675 00:33:30,931 --> 00:33:32,586 - Yeah? - Yeah. 676 00:33:34,448 --> 00:33:35,758 OK. 677 00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:37,103 Two hours late? 678 00:33:39,965 --> 00:33:41,068 OK. 679 00:33:42,275 --> 00:33:43,379 Sorry for being late. 680 00:33:44,551 --> 00:33:45,689 I'm late today. 681 00:33:45,862 --> 00:33:48,275 Um, 'cause today's the last day that I'm in Cairo, 682 00:33:48,448 --> 00:33:51,068 and I had rented a bunch of equipment 683 00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:54,034 at my dad's house and cut down trees. 684 00:33:54,206 --> 00:33:56,344 I just had to finish what I was doing before I could stop, 685 00:33:56,517 --> 00:33:57,896 'cause by the time I got back from talking to her, 686 00:33:58,034 --> 00:34:00,137 it'd be dark. 687 00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:02,655 Well, that's in the past-- it is what it is. 688 00:34:02,827 --> 00:34:03,793 I couldn't do anything about it. 689 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,172 Thank you for meeting me here. 690 00:34:06,344 --> 00:34:07,551 I got two things to say to you. 691 00:34:07,724 --> 00:34:08,689 OK. 692 00:34:09,586 --> 00:34:13,172 When can we finalize everything? 693 00:34:13,344 --> 00:34:14,586 We can do it now. 694 00:34:14,758 --> 00:34:16,379 Do you have everything to do it now? 695 00:34:16,551 --> 00:34:20,344 Um, you asked me in a text about our original papers. 696 00:34:20,517 --> 00:34:21,793 Mh-hmm, those are gone. 697 00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:30,275 So my attorney said if you get a hold of him, 698 00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:32,481 then he'll take care of everything. 699 00:34:32,482 --> 00:34:35,551 It can be done in two weeks, it'll cost you nothing. 700 00:34:36,793 --> 00:34:39,068 - Yeah, I'm not paying. - And-- oh, I understand. 701 00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:40,688 OK. 702 00:34:40,689 --> 00:34:43,551 Olivia is saying it is my fault that stuff was filled out 703 00:34:43,724 --> 00:34:47,000 incorrectly-- that is absolutely false. 704 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:49,000 In November 23, Olivia came back 705 00:34:49,172 --> 00:34:51,000 after her summer in California. 706 00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:54,378 We sat down at the island in the kitchen 707 00:34:54,379 --> 00:34:55,481 in our apartment. 708 00:34:55,482 --> 00:34:57,758 She was on her laptop on the state's website 709 00:34:57,931 --> 00:35:00,379 filling out the application for divorce. 710 00:35:00,551 --> 00:35:02,551 I distinctly remember there was one section 711 00:35:02,724 --> 00:35:06,172 that had to do with her finances that she skipped. 712 00:35:09,551 --> 00:35:10,655 No. 713 00:35:10,827 --> 00:35:13,103 And I'm pretty sure that's why it was sent back. 714 00:35:14,758 --> 00:35:15,862 I do have to say... 715 00:35:19,793 --> 00:35:21,655 I would like for this to be done, 716 00:35:21,827 --> 00:35:23,000 and I would like for this to be wrapped up 717 00:35:23,137 --> 00:35:24,378 so we could both move on. 718 00:35:24,379 --> 00:35:25,862 However... 719 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,688 you both reached out to me during a time when I was, 720 00:35:28,689 --> 00:35:31,482 one, overseas, I was not even in the US, 721 00:35:31,655 --> 00:35:34,585 and then, two, I told you, like, during tax season, and... 722 00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:35,724 um... 723 00:35:35,896 --> 00:35:37,758 I didn't feel like there was a lot of wiggle room. 724 00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:40,172 Like, there was a lot of push from your end to get it done. 725 00:35:40,344 --> 00:35:42,000 I'm ready to get it done. 726 00:35:42,137 --> 00:35:43,896 Um, I would just... 727 00:35:45,241 --> 00:35:46,482 like for there to be, like... 728 00:35:47,379 --> 00:35:49,586 some niceties and grace in timeline. 729 00:35:52,793 --> 00:35:54,000 That's fine with me. 730 00:35:56,137 --> 00:35:59,655 Um, the only reason for that was because I had everything 731 00:35:59,827 --> 00:36:02,481 lined up and all that you had to do was just talk 732 00:36:02,482 --> 00:36:04,689 to my attorney, and I didn't know why you weren't. 733 00:36:05,655 --> 00:36:07,241 Yeah, well, I was overseas when you guys were trying 734 00:36:07,413 --> 00:36:09,171 to contact me originally. 735 00:36:09,172 --> 00:36:10,586 Look... 736 00:36:10,758 --> 00:36:13,895 I am not arguing with you over the details of the divorce. 737 00:36:13,896 --> 00:36:16,378 All I'm saying is I have everything lined up, 738 00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:18,000 let's do it... 739 00:36:18,137 --> 00:36:19,172 and move on. 740 00:36:23,862 --> 00:36:26,275 We can, and I'm not arguing with you either, 741 00:36:26,448 --> 00:36:27,862 but you made me wait a year and a half. 742 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,586 You can at least be polite about asking. 743 00:36:31,793 --> 00:36:33,792 I asked you politely, in every way. 744 00:36:33,793 --> 00:36:35,586 I'm not apologizing for any of that. 745 00:36:37,482 --> 00:36:40,586 As soon as I saw Ethan, I knew he was not in a good mood. 746 00:36:40,758 --> 00:36:42,482 I guess I was hoping this time would be different. 747 00:36:43,655 --> 00:36:45,689 At least just being, like, polite. 748 00:36:45,862 --> 00:36:48,137 And... 749 00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:50,896 I should know by now not to walk into it with expectations. 750 00:36:52,275 --> 00:36:55,586 The only other thing that I wanna ask you 751 00:36:55,758 --> 00:36:58,551 is will you please stop slandering and disrespecting 752 00:36:58,724 --> 00:37:02,103 my family in public for things, whether you perceive them 753 00:37:02,275 --> 00:37:04,137 to be true or not? 754 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,378 Would you please stop? 755 00:37:05,379 --> 00:37:06,481 No. 756 00:37:06,482 --> 00:37:08,965 - Why? - It's not slander. 757 00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:10,241 No, it is slander. 758 00:37:10,413 --> 00:37:14,895 Me talking about my life and my experiences 759 00:37:14,896 --> 00:37:16,379 is not slander. 760 00:37:16,551 --> 00:37:18,344 Anyone can say they experienced anything, 761 00:37:18,517 --> 00:37:20,482 but if it's factually not true, it is slander. 762 00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:25,655 Olivia seems to be coming closer and closer 763 00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:30,171 to what Veronica is, and that's a sad reality. 764 00:37:30,172 --> 00:37:32,000 I thought Olivia was more tactful. 765 00:37:32,137 --> 00:37:33,689 I thought, you know, she wouldn't just outright lie 766 00:37:33,862 --> 00:37:35,481 about things like Veronica. 767 00:37:35,482 --> 00:37:38,585 And I just-- I see them both the same now. 768 00:37:38,586 --> 00:37:39,896 They're both liars. 769 00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:41,275 It's infuriating to me 770 00:37:41,448 --> 00:37:45,586 because what she walked into, she claims it's awful. 771 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,586 Some of it may have been unpleasant, 772 00:37:48,758 --> 00:37:52,379 but it is not nearly as bad as she makes it out to be. 773 00:37:52,551 --> 00:37:54,241 And it's also... 774 00:37:54,413 --> 00:37:58,378 100% true that the majority of the problems that she wants 775 00:37:58,379 --> 00:38:01,481 to talk about today of her experience, 776 00:38:01,482 --> 00:38:03,275 she also created. 777 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:05,103 You've done nothing but separate me 778 00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:07,241 from my family, slander my family. 779 00:38:08,482 --> 00:38:10,585 Friends and family have let me know 780 00:38:10,586 --> 00:38:11,965 occasionally here and there, 781 00:38:12,103 --> 00:38:13,585 like when she's been on a podcast 782 00:38:13,586 --> 00:38:16,000 or when she's posted something and what she said, 783 00:38:16,137 --> 00:38:17,895 so, like, there's a lot of things just like 784 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:19,241 with Veronica, that she read into, 785 00:38:19,413 --> 00:38:21,792 that she created, that she made bigger than they ever were, 786 00:38:21,793 --> 00:38:23,481 and my parents were like, "What the hell's going on here?" 787 00:38:23,482 --> 00:38:25,379 And my siblings-- and then-- 788 00:38:25,551 --> 00:38:28,862 and then after you made a situation 10 times worse, 789 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,448 then you wanna step back and say, 790 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:32,068 "Look at all that I went through." 791 00:38:32,241 --> 00:38:33,585 It's just-- it's a double standard. 792 00:38:33,586 --> 00:38:36,137 It's a victim mentality that pisses me the hell off. 793 00:38:37,551 --> 00:38:39,586 You wouldn't like it if I was doing it to your family. 794 00:38:39,758 --> 00:38:42,688 All I'm saying, please, from this day forward, 795 00:38:42,689 --> 00:38:44,241 leave my family out of it. 796 00:38:44,413 --> 00:38:46,000 I can't control what you do, what you don't do, 797 00:38:46,137 --> 00:38:49,172 but I'm just asking you, whether it's on social media, 798 00:38:49,344 --> 00:38:50,689 the internet, to other people, 799 00:38:51,896 --> 00:38:54,895 please stop, leave my family out of it. 800 00:38:54,896 --> 00:38:56,172 I can't do that, because your family 801 00:38:56,344 --> 00:39:00,000 is a decade worth of experiences in my-- in-- in my life 802 00:39:00,206 --> 00:39:03,793 that were hard, that made me the person that I am. 803 00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:09,448 They feel free to talk about what they think of me, 804 00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:11,378 but they don't want me to do the same for them, 805 00:39:11,379 --> 00:39:13,551 because it doesn't reflect well on them. 806 00:39:13,724 --> 00:39:15,792 And I think that if people wanna be talked about 807 00:39:15,793 --> 00:39:17,896 more warmly, they should have treated others better. 808 00:39:19,551 --> 00:39:22,274 I'm going to continue talking about my life. 809 00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:24,034 I'm going to continue talking about the things 810 00:39:24,206 --> 00:39:25,241 that I experienced. 811 00:39:26,275 --> 00:39:27,862 The things I learned from, 812 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,793 the things that shaped the person that I am today. 813 00:39:30,965 --> 00:39:32,586 And I'm not asking you to not do that. 814 00:39:32,758 --> 00:39:35,274 - Well-- - I'm just saying, can you not do it in a slanderous way? 815 00:39:35,275 --> 00:39:37,172 Is telling the truth slandering people? 816 00:39:39,103 --> 00:39:42,379 Me and my family have not spoken out on social media, 817 00:39:42,551 --> 00:39:44,137 the internet, whatever, about anything that Veronica 818 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:45,343 or Olivia have been saying. 819 00:39:45,344 --> 00:39:49,895 For one, I think their actions are very low. 820 00:39:49,896 --> 00:39:51,274 They're very dirty. 821 00:39:51,275 --> 00:39:54,171 It's definitely not following the golden rule. 822 00:39:54,172 --> 00:39:58,000 But also, I am very confident if we did, 823 00:39:58,137 --> 00:39:59,793 it would literally start 824 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:01,896 a "He said, she said" social media war. 825 00:40:03,103 --> 00:40:05,172 The only thing I'd say to Olivia, I think, 826 00:40:05,344 --> 00:40:09,896 at this point is... thank you for the good times that we had. 827 00:40:10,034 --> 00:40:11,793 Um... 828 00:40:11,965 --> 00:40:14,862 I would really like to officially, 829 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,793 legally close that chapter, move on, 830 00:40:16,965 --> 00:40:19,482 and I have not and will not 831 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,965 say anything about you purposely, 832 00:40:23,103 --> 00:40:24,171 slander you or anything like that, 833 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:26,275 and I would just like that same in return. 834 00:40:28,689 --> 00:40:30,862 I think the-- the kids all recognize 835 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,689 that they had a really fun childhood 836 00:40:33,862 --> 00:40:35,862 growing up, you know. - Yeah. 837 00:40:36,689 --> 00:40:38,688 - It was a really good time. - Yeah. 838 00:40:38,689 --> 00:40:39,689 It was-- it was really good. 839 00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:41,758 You can overcome negativity in the long run. 840 00:40:41,931 --> 00:40:43,344 - Yeah. - And come out on top. 841 00:40:44,379 --> 00:40:47,068 - I think a lot of that was driven by Olivia. - Yeah. 842 00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:52,586 Well, it was good having this last talk with you. 843 00:40:52,758 --> 00:40:54,171 I will be in touch. 844 00:40:54,172 --> 00:40:56,379 Did you get me a glass or a bottle? 845 00:40:56,551 --> 00:40:57,895 Yeah, there's a bottle there for you. 846 00:40:57,896 --> 00:40:59,034 OK, thank you. 847 00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:03,655 I can't not talk about your family 848 00:41:03,827 --> 00:41:05,482 if I wanna talk about my life. 849 00:41:08,655 --> 00:41:10,034 Very well. Do what you want. 850 00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,241 I've asked you. That's all I can do. 851 00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:17,724 - Thanks. - OK. 852 00:41:20,172 --> 00:41:21,448 Have a nice life. 853 00:41:23,482 --> 00:41:25,068 You don't have to be friends with all your exes. 854 00:41:25,241 --> 00:41:27,171 You don't have to be friends with people you were married to. 855 00:41:27,172 --> 00:41:29,792 Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. 856 00:41:29,793 --> 00:41:32,655 But that always depends on both people. 857 00:41:32,827 --> 00:41:35,068 And in this case, there's absolutely no way 858 00:41:35,241 --> 00:41:37,482 her and I will ever be friends. 859 00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:42,793 I was told you have the rest of a bottle for me. 860 00:41:44,896 --> 00:41:47,655 That's the most Ethan Plath thing he could do. 861 00:41:47,827 --> 00:41:49,000 Show up two hours late, 862 00:41:49,137 --> 00:41:51,793 say, "I have two things to tell you, A, B... 863 00:41:52,896 --> 00:41:54,172 have a nice life," walk off. 864 00:41:56,034 --> 00:41:57,896 Yeah. 865 00:41:58,034 --> 00:41:59,758 So he didn't actually buy me a bottle. 866 00:42:02,275 --> 00:42:03,895 My relationship with Olivia, you know, 867 00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:05,792 I look back on it now and I was like, 868 00:42:05,793 --> 00:42:08,137 "Dang, we should have never been together." 869 00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:10,274 You know, it never should have gone that far. 870 00:42:10,275 --> 00:42:11,688 But because it did, and because I loved her, 871 00:42:11,689 --> 00:42:14,895 and eventually ended, it ended up teaching me 872 00:42:14,896 --> 00:42:17,792 more than I probably would have ever learned anywhere else. 873 00:42:17,793 --> 00:42:20,724 Honestly, it's made me a better man. 874 00:42:23,172 --> 00:42:25,068 Life is a process. You're never done. 875 00:42:26,241 --> 00:42:27,758 You know, I'm still learning, 876 00:42:27,931 --> 00:42:30,275 and I hope I continue to for the rest of my days.