It's been three years,
and we're still nowhere closer to getting this done.
- Yeah. - And I want my life to move forward.
Barry and I are not divorced yet.
It's been over three years.
It's really...
...really hard.
The bright side of Olivia leaving my life
is that I have a full and healthy relationship
with my family now.
Unfortunately, me and Olivia are not divorced.
The paperwork did not go through.
It's frustrating.
At this point, she won't respond
to my attorney or my texts.
You may kiss the bride.
Let's go!
After the wedding last night,
Micah and Isaac got into a fight.
He hit me first.
I guess he kinda started it.
Everything that was emotional that fueled the fight
from that point on was you.
You said that Teegan was on OnlyFans.
- Yeah. - Did you say that?
- Yeah. - You also called Kaylynn a slut.
You called Kaylynn a slut.
No, I did not call her a slut, I called her a liar.
I can't believe they're blaming me,
but it is so up their alley,
like, I just didn't think this far of a stretch
could happen, but it did.
When you come in here and start telling us
my family's the problem, and don't even know Olivia...
She's a good woman to be like. I like her.
- That's against-- - That concludes that your--
Micah, your woman wants to be like Olivia.
Do you want that?
Are you ready to go on our honeymoon?
- I am ready. - Let's go.
You look ready, I mean, come on, this outfit?
- We're heading to Europe. - Oh, my goodness.
Gonna be in Paris for three days,
Germany for two and a half weeks, so.
And then we'll see.
We haven't booked our return flight yet.
So we'll see.
I'm with my wifey.
My wife.
I'm going to Europe with my wife.
Mm-hmm.
The wedding was definitely very peaceful.
It was perfect in every way, everything and more.
I think just having our people there,
really just completed it.
We're married now.
Among other things.
How did the wedding night go?
"And did ya?"
I mean, obviously, the wedding night
is just between Zac and I,
but I will say it was...
um...
pure and beautiful.
It's such an intimate experience that there's soul ties
that happen, like, actual chemical connection
when you have sex with your surroundings,
and so...
...that's-- that-- that--
- No, like-- like-- - Chemical connections to--
- Chemical connections, like-- - Did I say that?
That was weird.
Yeah, it was-- was weird.
I don't even remember what the question was.
I think, like, overall,
what made the day so perfect was just this...
I mean, everyone was there for us--
- Yeah. - And like...
I-- I just don't know how to describe it.
It was just like everyone was so overjoyed to see us,
and everyone was encouraging.
It was just such a great day,
and, like, I didn't feel like there was any drama.
That concludes that your-- Micah, your woman wants to be
like Olivia, do you want that? - So Micah, do you want a girlfriend like Olivia?
I don't.
I know I'm at a crossroads,
and it's either we spill everything out
on the table and work through it somehow...
or we spill everything out on the table
and walk away from it.
If you don't wanna change and accept my family,
and actually...
So, I need to change?
Yes, you absolutely do.
I have to change my beliefs and ethics.
No, you just don't have to disrespect my family.
I could never be--
Yes-- I don't know where you got that mud,
but smearing it over everything?
There's certain things that I might be wrong about, yes.
I'm a human.
I don't--
It might just be clickbait articles, but I don't trust--
How can you-- how can you find a clickbait article
and accuse her of having it when it's just clickbait?
Yes, because we're on our way to therapy for him cheating,
and he cheats, and I was worried
that he would cheat on me with you,
because he had a weird--
Get the hell out of here.
How disrespectful to say that he would cheat on my girlfriend.
I definitely feel for Veronica in this moment.
I can't imagine being in a room where, you know,
you're feeling so attacked.
I do think and know everything she said was a lie in one form
or another, and I don't wanna excuse that behavior,
but I do give her grace and feel for her.
It might.
It might be clickbait that-- a thousand things.
There's "mights" to everything.
Everything in this world, nothing is certain,
except life, and death and taxes.
Look at these two.
Look at these two beautiful women.
You have problems with them.
That's not their fault, that's your fault.
I don't really have problems with Kaylynn.
it's possible I was wrong.
It's also possible I was wrong about Micah.
It's also possible I'm wrong about being a blonde.
It's also possible I'm wrong that I'm not the mayor.
Yeah, anything's possible.
Veronica, you never really apologized to me.
- About what? - Much less anyone else.
- About what? - Exactly.
One apology I would love to get from Veronica is just
the, um, the name calling, the belittling.
It'd be-- it'd be awesome to know she didn't mean that.
The fight was why we were here, but that was the cause,
that was the anger that I was feeling be-- because of you.
All the anger and everything, I would not have hit
my own brother unless I had something like that
built up inside of me.
The reason this actually happened, the punch that--
Are you gonna blame me for your nose right now?
- Yes. - Yes, we all are.
What is going on?
Like, what is my life right now?
Like, how am I here?
Veronica, you have manipulated everyone in this family,
and then there's high feelings because of some of this stuff,
and it ends up in a-- in a punch fight, and that's too bad,
and that shouldn't have happened,
but can you not see that you're at the root of all of that?
I mean, it could be that,
or it could be the family dynamics.
I don't think even not being there causing
a physical altercation-- - Veronica.
Everyone else in the family gets along.
You're the common denominator.
All of this would have a different outcome
if she responded differently,
but that wasn't her position at all.
The more evidence we gave for what actually happened,
the more she dug her heels in.
- Why did you come here? - To support Micah and Lydia.
OK, well, you have done none of that.
The cows didn't need your damn support.
They're fat enough as they are.
That's all you did, is hang out there in the mud,
feeding cows, because you burned every relationship
with everyone here. - I'm getting attacked.
You like the drama-- yeah, rightfully so.
Veronica, the reason you're getting attacked
is because you have attacked every one of us.
Every single person here-- Amber, Kaylynn, Isaac,
my mom, Ethan, Teegan, and me.
- I have yelled at-- - Even people that are not here.
Either I strictly choose her over my family
and continue down a very difficult road...
or I-- I just cut ties.
Veronica's not gonna change. This is going nowhere.
- That's right. - I think--
I think we need to leave.
Go back to Boca.
And I-- we are done.
Kinda feels like Veronica just kept, you know,
pouring lighter fluid on a whole bunch of different stuff
and tempting me to light it.
The truth always comes out...
and nothing stays secrets for forever.
I was shooting a wedding this weekend in Georgia
and Ethan wanted to talk.
And so we are gonna meet at a hotel in Thomasville.
I feel a little anxious.
Our last conversations did not go well.
I think we need to go back to Boca.
And I-- we are done.
When I tell Veronica that it's over
and I think we both know that it's not gonna work out...
um, she doesn't-- she doesn't really say much.
I don't know. It's a good possibility.
You put gasoline on a wooden bridge and lit a match,
and threw it on there, and then said,
"Oh, poor me, I can't cross."
Um, maybe I did.
Maybe I did light a match.
Honestly, I'm more into science experiments
than bridges that can be burnt down by one match.
Veronica, you probably don't see it because you are
incapable of understanding this, but you missed out
on a good family. - You did.
- Yeah, amen. - Honestly, though.
And that look right there says it all.
That's the truth.
Nice knowing you, Veronica.
Touché.
I deserve more than to get cheated on.
I deserve more than to get lied about.
I guess, when they went low, I went lower.
Not by me.
I was 100% on your side up until this morning
when I found out you were calling me names behind my back.
And then I can't-- I can't do that.
I don't think I could let people in that I don't trust.
Then you'll never have relationships.
And that's why--
I just want you to see that's why your relationship
with this family failed, because you didn't let us in,
not because we didn't let you in.
- I let you guys in. - No, you didn't.
Not by calling us names and backstabbing us.
I'm sorry for hurting you.
I appreciate the words.
I don't really believe it.
Maybe it's genuine, and maybe it's not.
I don't know.
Fair.
I've seen and heard enough today to know
that I don't really want anything further to do with you.
Ditto.
Maybe I did sabotage it at the end.
Maybe I was so tired...
of this messed up family and this toxic relationship
that I said, "Add the catalyst."
So what if I did?
I feel like I'm in chemistry class, like,
mixing things together, and it's gonna, like,
explode any second.
- Does Micah know that we talked at all? - No.
I know this will go bad.
Mark my words.
You're not emotionally intelligent.
Grow a pair.
As things progressed, I made up in my own mind...
that I couldn't be with somebody that could treat me like that.
I don't think it's normal
to look up your brother's girlfriend's naked photos.
She's going around just spreading rumors.
I was prolonging something that needed to happen long ago.
My claws are out of their mittens.
If I could wish one thing, I wish it happened sooner.
I was scared to be alone, 'cause I thought alone
was the worst thing.
But the worst thing is a toxic relationship
where you lose love for yourself.
I want people to know I did love him.
I was experimenting, honestly at this point,
with a bunch of chemistry beakers,
fragile glass, toxic chemicals.
And Micah and I were two...
beautiful chemicals, but toxic together.
And the catalyst was the family.
Um.
I never thought something like that would happen.
But I guess it's my fault.
So what-- what are, um...
what do you wanna do as far as, like, getting...
- Getting my stuff? - Getting down there and getting your stuff?
- I'm gonna take my truck. - Is she riding with you?
If it's drug out,
prolonged, lengthened, anything,
it's-- it's gonna be even harder.
Should I fly back and ship your stuff?
You gonna ship my boat for me?
I mean, I won't pay for it, but I can logistically sign it up.
Yeah, no, I'll-- I'll-- I'll drive you back.
I'll drop you off.
So after we break up, uh, my first response is,
"You know, I can...
I will drive you back."
I don't know if we should ride back in the same car.
If you ride back in the same car,
I think you should at least have one
of us with you. - Probably.
I was gonna say I-- I wouldn't go down there
with her by yourself, 'cause you know
how manipulative she can be.
Yep.
Shortly after, I came to the conclusion
that seven hours in the car together would probably not be
the best thing right now.
I left Veronica with the producers
and absolutely knew they were escorting her back to her home.
Come on, Isaac.
So Ethan and Isaac agreed to go with me to go down
and grab all my things.
I'm proud of you, Micah.
Yeah, it took, I mean, it took a lot.
Two trucks, two boats, a motorcycle, and a car.
Yeah.
Well, we got back late last night from picking up
all my stuff down in Boca. It was hard.
I guess not at first, 'cause I had been really frustrated.
But, um, after, like, you know, we started going
through the garage and getting the last of my stuff,
it really hit me. I mean, I just broke down.
I couldn't help it. And she broke down.
She was like, "Why, why?
"Just tell me you never loved me,
I need closure that way," and I was like,
"I can't tell you that, I-- I loved you very much.
"I've never loved anyone like I loved you.
Um, never had a relationship like this."
And then she was like,
"Well, was I your guinea pig then?"
I was like, "No, it was all very real,
"and I'm sorry I had hurt you as bad as I had,
but I just couldn't-- couldn't keep doing that."
I think, uh, Isaac's old room.
But Zac's got all his stuff in there still.
For the time being, I'm gonna unpack I pack my things,
settle in up here-- I think give it about a week,
and then I'll go back down to South Florida
and keep fencing.
On top of everything that's going on,
we found out Veronica is in the virtual realm,
spewing out lots of-- of things that are just not true.
Veronica is saying that me, Micah, and Isaac had left her
abandoned on the side of the road.
- Yeah. - Absolutely not true.
She's accused my family of abusing animals,
which is not true.
She's accused my family of incest,
which is absolutely not true.
All she is trying to do...
is find anything that would make someone look bad
and spread it out there.
I don't think there's a need to entertain that stuff.
I think most people can easily read through that.
She acts like she's anti-bullying, but...
I think trying to heal, trying to get over it,
is going to be much easier for me
if I don't look at all that stuff.
I've never said that she's a liar.
I've just noticed that she may have embellished the narrative.
Then I just started to realize she's proven she's a liar.
Tonight, we're doing a controlled burn at the farm,
and it will be a humongous cloud of smoke,
and it'll look like a disaster.
I'm just gonna make sure it doesn't get close to the woods.
A little scary if you do it wrong.
But a controlled burn will prevent
a more devastating fire later on.
It's OK if it keeps burning.
Even though there's some good in it,
you have to burn it all down
and get rid of the good with the bad...
if it's not salvageable, so you can start over.
It kinda feels like Veronica just kept, you know,
pouring lighter fluid on a whole bunch of different stuff
and tempting me to light it.
And every time we'd get in an argument,
every time she would threaten me to leave,
tell me to pack my stuff, get out of here,
I didn't want to-- I had a box of matches in my hand,
but I didn't want to use 'em.
That match had to be lit and thrown down
on the lighter fluid.
My therapist was like...
"Have you ever thought that...
"maybe, like, God sent Veronica to make you realize
"you want to settle down?
"Not just take relationships and women
"and all that stuff for granted, just for pleasure.
"Like, there's actually a very rewarding relationship
"with someone, not something shallow,
just for fun."
Even though she might not be the one,
it might have taken her for me
to come to that realization, you know?
You know, living a double life and not being transparent
about my past.
I cheated on her.
I feel very, very, very [bleep] for putting her through that.
You know, I learned that all that will catch up to you.
The truth always comes out.
And nothing stays secrets for forever.
- Hey. - Hey!
So it's been quite a week...
hasn't it?
Yeah, it has.
I got a little gift for you,
but there is one string attached.
Where's the string?
You have to teach me how to smoke one.
Whoa!
We've had a pretty chaotic couple of days
here at the farm.
Ethan is with me, and we're hanging out,
enjoying a little bit of downtime after all of the...
excitement.
So I bite the end off?
I've never really smoked a cigar.
One time in college,
I took a puff from somebody else's,
but I inhaled deeply, and apparently,
you're not supposed to do that.
Any tips for biting it off, like--
Just-- just the very-- just the very tip.
- Just the tip? - Just the very tip.
This is awkward.
That's what she said?
Not that much.
I love hanging out with Ethan.
I kinda feel like we're making up
for lost time, you know?
I'm glad for Micah that he got out of that relationship.
I was talking to him last night.
I was like, man, if I could go back
and I could get out of mine and Olivia's relationship
as quickly as you got out of yours with Veronica's...
- Yeah. - Man, but you live and you learn.
Yeah.
My mom and dad are not divorced yet,
because they haven't come
to an agreement on who gets what.
And then me and Olivia are not divorced because
the first application wasn't filled out correctly.
And after I hired an attorney
to deal with it,
she-- Olivia will not-- will not respond to my attorney.
Yeah, me and Teegan, I love Teegan so much.
I guess the only thing is, like, where am I gonna live?
I really, really feel like I need to be back down here,
but I don't think she can move down here at the moment.
Do you know when she could?
It doesn't bother Teegan that I'm not divorced,
it just bothers her more so
that nothing is happening to come to that point.
I wanted to apologize to you for...
going along with all the crap that Olivia did for so long,
and I don't know why I did.
The last two years, I really spent a lot of time
reading and, you know, educating myself and, I guess,
developing and just knowing why I think and believe the things
I do so I can explain myself.
And one of those things is-- is family.
You can't cut off your-- your family, you know,
for your spouse's sake, you know? - Yeah.
I really admire Ethan for, you know,
really trying to make things work with Olivia.
And, you know, I tried for 25 years with Barry.
You know, it's-- it's hard to try to make a marriage work.
I probably won't feel fully free until I'm divorced
from Barry-- I still feel just...
chained down.
- So anyways, I'm sorry for not standing up to her. - Yeah.
I just, I wanted-- I wanted us to work out some of that.
- You loved-- yeah. - I loved her.
I couldn't articulate my thoughts and feelings
very well at all.
It was clear to me you were walking on eggshells,
and I hated that for you, so. - It's so freeing...
to not walk on eggshells anymore,
to not answer to anyone.
Hello?
Hi!
Hey!
- Oh, there you are! - How's it going?
- Good! - Where are you guys?
- Oh, nice. - Wow!
So how was it? How-- how did the deed go down?
How-- how'd it go?
Was it as good as you thought? - Definitely interesting.
Lydia, be truthful.
Uh, Micah and Veronica broke up, so I went and helped Micah
move up from Boca to Georgia.
Lydia, did you know Micah and Isaac got into a fight
the night of your wedding over Veronica?
Isaac sent Micah to the ER.
He hit him with his elbow.
He had to get stitches in the nose.
You know, the outcome of that was that
they're no longer together. - Yeah.
Yeah, Zac, uh, do me a favor, uh, fill-- make sure you fill
those croissants--
those croissants with cream.
Yeah, OK, bye!
Love you!
We didn't keep them on the phone long
'cause they have pressing business...
pressing up against each other.
- Oh, you had to go there. - I did.
I was hoping you'd buy me a drink.
Oh, well, what do you want?
If you wanna be stingy, you can get me a glass,
but otherwise, get me the bottle.
No, no, no, no. I'll do that.
Will you please stop slandering and disrespecting
my family in public for things,
whether you perceive them to be true or not?
Olivia seems to be coming closer and closer
to what Veronica is, and that's a sad reality.
Olivia, interview, AB marker.
One husband didn't work out. I'm trying for four now.
I, um, I am divorced in spirit,
uh, not in legal paperwork, yeah.
I was shooting a wedding this weekend in Georgia,
and Ethan reached out.
He said he wanted to talk, and so we are gonna meet
at a hotel in Thomasville.
I'm living in Washington, DC.
I moved there from LA and...
signed a six-month lease in the city,
just tried it out, explored, lived on my own for a bit.
And then afterwards, Brendan and I signed a lease
on a townhome together and moved in.
And yeah, I am so happy.
The last time I saw Ethan, uh, well, the last time Ethan
and I spoke was when I was in Minnesota,
um, trying to get him to sign paperwork
to get all that finalized.
He did sign paperwork,
but he didn't fill it out properly.
So it was flagged by the courts,
it never went through.
So I feel a little anxious about it.
Our last conversations didn't go well,
but at the end of the day, I would love
to at least walk away from this and be divorced.
I'm here at Kin Wine in Thomasville.
Barry and I finally came to an agreement,
signed, notarized, done just a couple days ago.
And we are officially divorced.
We went back and forth for over three years,
and then finally we decided to sit down and do mediation.
And that got us in one day to settle everything.
And so now, I thought it would be nice
to just meet and have a glass of wine
and just kind of close that chapter officially,
and that's what we're doing.
After a year and a half of nothing,
not answering my texts, blocking me,
not fixing the paperwork, not making any effort
to be divorced, Ethan finally unblocked me.
This was, like, a month and a half ago, maybe.
And he was very, very, very urgent.
"We need to get divorced immediately,
we need to get divorced now."
And I'm like, "What is going on?"
I was traveling overseas at that moment.
And I was like, "Listen, I will deal with this
"in a hot minute-- like, you made me wait
"a year and a half, I'm not bending over backwards
to make this happen right now for you."
And then, um, I learned that same day
that was the day he posted his new girlfriend online.
So I'm not saying there's a correlation,
but you can draw what you will from that.
And so here I am.
Let's get it all done. All in one weekend.
- Hello, hello. - Hi!
- How are you doing? - Good.
- How are you doing? - I'm doing OK.
I'm just so relieved!
I'm like...
"Oh, boy!" Whoo!
So what are you drinking?
Well, I was hoping you'd buy me a drink.
Oh-- well, what do you want?
Um, white wine. I prefer a bottle.
If you wanna be stingy, you can get me a glass,
but otherwise, get me the bottle.
No, no, no, no. I'll do that.
- Bottoms up, girl. - OK, thank you.
Yeah, here we are, you know?
And, you know, somebody was whining.
We've got a "Alice" or Alice [American English].
- Mh-hmm. - And then here's your non-alcoholic spritz.
- Alright. - Thank you.
Thank you, thank you.
Yeah.
This is my, uh, mini divorce party right now,
but, um, sometime I'll get my girlfriends together
and we'll plan something fun.
And this ain't it.
Is Ethan coming?
Ethan and I said we'd meet at 4:00 at the hotel here.
He just texted me and said, "I'll be there at 5:00PM."
So...
It's Ethan Plath.
So if we can sell the house,
um, and get that other property paid off,
then I feel like that's a step in the right direction.
Yeah, that'll be big.
Uh, Kim and I have agreed to sell the white house,
so we're both on board with that.
And I'll be moving to one of our properties in Cairo,
and Kim will be doing whatever she has planned to do.
I like the idea of me living out on the farm,
like in a camper or something, and, um, you know,
Ethan and/or Micah and/or Isaac
building and living on the property,
you know? - There's a certain dynamic
that Ethan, Micah, and Isaac have together.
- Yeah. - Right?
So they got the brother bond, and, uh, the brother bond
wasn't there for all those years when you know, the who...
you know, was around. - Yeah.
- And, um, things weren't smooth. - Yeah.
Right?
Ethan [bleep] Plath.
No, did he text you?
That means, like, he just left.
Definitely gonna give him [bleep].
Please leave your message.
We'll see what he has to say for himself.
I mean, I don't--
when I was married to him, I took it personally
that he did not communicate with me.
Yeah, he called the meeting, so I think he owes me
communication, but, like, it's not personal.
It's who he is as a person.
It's how he treats people.
OK.
How you doing?
- Why are you so late? - I had stuff to do.
- Yeah? - Yeah.
OK.
Two hours late?
I would like for this to be done,
and I would like for this to be wrapped up
so we could both move on.
All that you had to do was just talk to my attorney,
and I didn't know why you weren't.
Yeah, well, I was overseas when you guys were trying
to contact me originally.
Look...
I am not arguing with you over the details of the divorce.
All I'm saying is I have everything lined up.
Let's do it, and move on.
You made me wait a year and a half.
You can at least be polite about asking.
And I asked you politely in every way.
I'm not apologizing for any of that.
The crazy thing is, just a few short years ago,
we were standing in the driveway, and that whole,
uh, incident went down. - Mm-hmm.
- So that's quite a-- - And that was all Olivia-driven.
- Well, yeah. - I mean,
Ethan went along with it, but he really didn't--
he was trying to save his marriage.
You know?
Yeah, I mean, that's understandable.
And I see how that was, so.
But it's just kind of a-- a big change.
- Oh, yeah, definitely. - To now, where he's changed.
He's changed. He's become more like...
- The happy guy. - Yeah.
- Hey. - Hey.
How you doing?
- Why are you so late? - I had stuff to do.
- Yeah? - Yeah.
OK.
Two hours late?
OK.
Sorry for being late.
I'm late today.
Um, 'cause today's the last day that I'm in Cairo,
and I had rented a bunch of equipment
at my dad's house and cut down trees.
I just had to finish what I was doing before I could stop,
'cause by the time I got back from talking to her,
it'd be dark.
Well, that's in the past-- it is what it is.
I couldn't do anything about it.
Thank you for meeting me here.
I got two things to say to you.
OK.
When can we finalize everything?
We can do it now.
Do you have everything to do it now?
Um, you asked me in a text about our original papers.
Mh-hmm, those are gone.
So my attorney said if you get a hold of him,
then he'll take care of everything.
It can be done in two weeks, it'll cost you nothing.
- Yeah, I'm not paying. - And-- oh, I understand.
OK.
Olivia is saying it is my fault that stuff was filled out
incorrectly-- that is absolutely false.
In November 23, Olivia came back
after her summer in California.
We sat down at the island in the kitchen
in our apartment.
She was on her laptop on the state's website
filling out the application for divorce.
I distinctly remember there was one section
that had to do with her finances that she skipped.
No.
And I'm pretty sure that's why it was sent back.
I do have to say...
I would like for this to be done,
and I would like for this to be wrapped up
so we could both move on.
However...
you both reached out to me during a time when I was,
one, overseas, I was not even in the US,
and then, two, I told you, like, during tax season, and...
um...
I didn't feel like there was a lot of wiggle room.
Like, there was a lot of push from your end to get it done.
I'm ready to get it done.
Um, I would just...
like for there to be, like...
some niceties and grace in timeline.
That's fine with me.
Um, the only reason for that was because I had everything
lined up and all that you had to do was just talk
to my attorney, and I didn't know why you weren't.
Yeah, well, I was overseas when you guys were trying
to contact me originally.
Look...
I am not arguing with you over the details of the divorce.
All I'm saying is I have everything lined up,
let's do it...
and move on.
We can, and I'm not arguing with you either,
but you made me wait a year and a half.
You can at least be polite about asking.
I asked you politely, in every way.
I'm not apologizing for any of that.
As soon as I saw Ethan, I knew he was not in a good mood.
I guess I was hoping this time would be different.
At least just being, like, polite.
And...
I should know by now not to walk into it with expectations.
The only other thing that I wanna ask you
is will you please stop slandering and disrespecting
my family in public for things, whether you perceive them
to be true or not?
Would you please stop?
No.
- Why? - It's not slander.
No, it is slander.
Me talking about my life and my experiences
is not slander.
Anyone can say they experienced anything,
but if it's factually not true, it is slander.
Olivia seems to be coming closer and closer
to what Veronica is, and that's a sad reality.
I thought Olivia was more tactful.
I thought, you know, she wouldn't just outright lie
about things like Veronica.
And I just-- I see them both the same now.
They're both liars.
It's infuriating to me
because what she walked into, she claims it's awful.
Some of it may have been unpleasant,
but it is not nearly as bad as she makes it out to be.
And it's also...
100% true that the majority of the problems that she wants
to talk about today of her experience,
she also created.
You've done nothing but separate me
from my family, slander my family.
Friends and family have let me know
occasionally here and there,
like when she's been on a podcast
or when she's posted something and what she said,
so, like, there's a lot of things just like
with Veronica, that she read into,
that she created, that she made bigger than they ever were,
and my parents were like, "What the hell's going on here?"
And my siblings-- and then--
and then after you made a situation 10 times worse,
then you wanna step back and say,
"Look at all that I went through."
It's just-- it's a double standard.
It's a victim mentality that pisses me the hell off.
You wouldn't like it if I was doing it to your family.
All I'm saying, please, from this day forward,
leave my family out of it.
I can't control what you do, what you don't do,
but I'm just asking you, whether it's on social media,
the internet, to other people,
please stop, leave my family out of it.
I can't do that, because your family
is a decade worth of experiences in my-- in-- in my life
that were hard, that made me the person that I am.
They feel free to talk about what they think of me,
but they don't want me to do the same for them,
because it doesn't reflect well on them.
And I think that if people wanna be talked about
more warmly, they should have treated others better.
I'm going to continue talking about my life.
I'm going to continue talking about the things
that I experienced.
The things I learned from,
the things that shaped the person that I am today.
And I'm not asking you to not do that.
- Well-- - I'm just saying, can you not do it in a slanderous way?
Is telling the truth slandering people?
Me and my family have not spoken out on social media,
the internet, whatever, about anything that Veronica
or Olivia have been saying.
For one, I think their actions are very low.
They're very dirty.
It's definitely not following the golden rule.
But also, I am very confident if we did,
it would literally start
a "He said, she said" social media war.
The only thing I'd say to Olivia, I think,
at this point is... thank you for the good times that we had.
Um...
I would really like to officially,
legally close that chapter, move on,
and I have not and will not
say anything about you purposely,
slander you or anything like that,
and I would just like that same in return.
I think the-- the kids all recognize
that they had a really fun childhood
growing up, you know. - Yeah.
- It was a really good time. - Yeah.
It was-- it was really good.
You can overcome negativity in the long run.
- Yeah. - And come out on top.
- I think a lot of that was driven by Olivia. - Yeah.
Well, it was good having this last talk with you.
I will be in touch.
Did you get me a glass or a bottle?
Yeah, there's a bottle there for you.
OK, thank you.
I can't not talk about your family
if I wanna talk about my life.
Very well. Do what you want.
I've asked you. That's all I can do.
- Thanks. - OK.
Have a nice life.
You don't have to be friends with all your exes.
You don't have to be friends with people you were married to.
Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't.
But that always depends on both people.
And in this case, there's absolutely no way
her and I will ever be friends.
I was told you have the rest of a bottle for me.
That's the most Ethan Plath thing he could do.
Show up two hours late,
say, "I have two things to tell you, A, B...
have a nice life," walk off.
Yeah.
So he didn't actually buy me a bottle.
My relationship with Olivia, you know,
I look back on it now and I was like,
"Dang, we should have never been together."
You know, it never should have gone that far.
But because it did, and because I loved her,
and eventually ended, it ended up teaching me
more than I probably would have ever learned anywhere else.
Honestly, it's made me a better man.
Life is a process. You're never done.
You know, I'm still learning,
and I hope I continue to for the rest of my days.