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- What is missing from Me Too?
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I--it's difficult for me
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to say,
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but I don't think
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it's a coincidence
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that most of the women
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who have come forward
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in Hollywood
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have been white women.
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I don't think
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it's a coincidence
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that they are generally
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quite successful.
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If we look at the earning power
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of people in America,
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for example,
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at the very top are white men,
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and at the very bottom
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are women of color,
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and that is something
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that I think is necessary
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to look at when we are talking
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about who gets to come forward
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and give their own stories
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about surviving sexual abuse
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or sexual assault.
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- America picks and chooses
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who they're gonna listen to.
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Not only does class
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have an indicator,
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but what that person
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looks like has an indicator.
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So who we decide to listen to
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is totally predicated
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on who we see as valuable
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in America.
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- A lot of black women
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felt disconnected
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from Me Too initially.
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They felt like, "That's great
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"that this sister is out there,
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"and we support her
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as an individual,
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but this movement
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is not for us."
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- If we're gonna
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move this forward,
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it can't simply remain
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a problem of the beautiful,
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the wealthy,
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the popular.
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This has to be a moment where,
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yes, that might lead us,
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but we need to be able
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to make sure
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that a broader group of women
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are introduced
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into the public consciousness
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at the same time.
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♪ ♪
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- It is high time
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that the lens turns to us
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and that we're allowed
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to be heard
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and, more importantly,
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believed.
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Where is it?
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Okay, so I think I have
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to look in my closet.
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How could I have lost it
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so quickly?
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Here it is.
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Yeah, this is the demo
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for "Junior M.A.F.I.A."
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- That's insane, right?
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- Yeah.
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With Lil' Kim and--
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I think actually
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Biggie gave me this,
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or Daddy-O must have given me
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this demo.
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At the time, Biggie was--
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let's just call it
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a entrepreneur.
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So he was working outside,
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you know?
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He just lived
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around the corner,
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and he was trying
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to be a rapper.
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I was trying to be
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a rap A&R person.
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to be something.
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- ♪ Tell the people
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what you're here for ♪
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[Gang Starr's
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"What I'm Here 4"]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ It's the message
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in the song ♪
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♪ That makes you rock on ♪
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♪ Some people go to places ♪
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♪ Where they don't belong ♪
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♪ Whether wrong or right ♪
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♪ A lot of people fight ♪
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♪ But I'm here to bless ♪
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♪ This mic, all right ♪
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- When I lived here,
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I worked at Empire
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Artist Management.
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I was a receptionist
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pre-Def Jam.
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I was working with Gang Starr,
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DJ Premier,
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Jeru the Damaja.
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This is how I would walk
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to the train,
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and I specifically walked this
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way because Biggie told me,
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"Walk down my block
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because I run my block
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"and everybody knows
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you're cool with me,
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"so if you walk down my block,
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you're not gonna have
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any problems."
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I mean, it was different.
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It was the early '90s.
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There were crack vials
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everywhere.
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rough and rugged.
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I always wonder
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what would have happened
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if Biggie had lived.
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I feel like Biggie--
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Biggie had my back.
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Music has always been sort of
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this language that I spoke.
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Everything from, you know,
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the Doors to the Beatles
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to Prince to jazz.
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Billie Holiday fan,
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so I consumed Billie Holiday
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voraciously.
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I mean, I would stay up
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in the middle of the night
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and organize my mom's albums
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on the living room floor
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and I would just play
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the songs in order
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and I would chase the fades.
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I would turn it up to catch
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every last drop of the record
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because some of the best stuff
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was in the fade.
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Hip-hop then also had this
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additional appeal to me
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as this sort of black movement
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that was empowering people
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who were otherwise lost
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and overlooked,
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and I grew up feeling
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like that was my mission
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as the daughter
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of local politicians.
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I grew up in the thick
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of black D.C.
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knocking on doors,
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trying to convert one voter
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at a time,
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and then hip-hop just combined
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two things that I loved:
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activism and this sense
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of pride with music.
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sort of, I thought,
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change the world.
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- Mayor Dixon, are you--
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Mrs. Dixon, are you prepared
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to take the oath?
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- I am indeed.
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- Would you please place
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your left hand on the Bible?
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- When my mom was elected
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mayor of D.C.,
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I took my junior year off
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from Stanford
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to help
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with her inaugural ball,
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and in the process of putting
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together her inauguration,
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I had the opportunity
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to pick the artists.
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So I picked Rare Essence,
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my favorite go-go band.
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I picked Kwamé.
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♪ Funky to happen ♪
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- And I picked Big Daddy Kane.
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- ♪ Let me hear you say ho ♪
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all: Ho!
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♪ Say ho ♪
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- Suddenly I was interacting
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with the people
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behind the scenes,
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and it occurred to me,
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"Oh, what about those jobs?
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"Maybe that's what I should do.
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"There's, like, this industry,
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and there's people
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"who aren't the artists
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but they kind of
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"make it all happen.
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Maybe that's the thing for me."
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And so when I found out
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there was this job called A&R,
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where you could discover
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new artists
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and make great songs,
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you know,
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I started reading "Billboard,"
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and I had all of these books
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and magazines,
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and Russell Simmons
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was a huge part of, like,
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that sort of ideal.
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Like, that's where I wanna be.
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I mean, I drove across
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the country to New York
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with a dream
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to make hip-hop records.
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I mean, I--I can't even put
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into words how excited I was.
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- I was an A&R coordinator
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at EMI Records.
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I met Drew when she'd
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just finished college
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and she had moved to New York
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from D.C.
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spirit that came out,
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and we hit it off right away.
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- I started by answering
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phones at various companies
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from Jive Records
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to Warner Bros. Records
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and eventually became
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a publishing executive
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at Zomba Music Publishing.
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- Drew was a young, powerful
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something to watch.
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An interesting,
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intelligent woman
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who cared so much
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about this music.
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- After about two years
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of just being in the mix,
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eventually I guess people
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sort of figured out,
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"Oh, this woman is always
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hanging out and showing up
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and knowing what's hot."
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And so when Def Jam called me
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and was like,
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"Russell wants to offer you
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this job,"
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I mean, I was thrilled.
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I was--it was my--
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It was like, "That's it.
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I won."
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♪ Was the start of my last jam ♪
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♪ So here it is again,
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another def jam ♪
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- Who didn't wanna be
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Russell Simmons?
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I mean, he had the foresight
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to cultivate
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what was in these clubs
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and in these streets
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in New York City
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and make it into, like,
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this business.
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- The Russell Simmons
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that I met
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when I was 21 or 22
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was the godfather
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of the whole damn thing.
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- I met Russell
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at Disco Fever.
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Disco Fever was, like,
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the popular club in the Bronx
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that everybody who was somebody
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was able to go.
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You know, he was like God
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to everybody.
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- Everybody always looked
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at Russell as Def Jam,
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so that's a black label.
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'Cause the major labels
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was not touching us.
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They were saying,
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"You a fad.
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What is this rap thing?"
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- He managed Run-DMC,
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one of the first groups
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to ever break the mold
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with pop music
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with Aerosmith.
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That had never
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been done before.
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- ♪ She told me to ♪
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- ♪ Walk this way ♪
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♪ Talk this way ♪
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- And Drew was there
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in the middle of, like,
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all of this swell of hip-hop,
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and Def Jam became the royalty
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of labels to be on.
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- Working for Russell Simmons,
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doing A&R,
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I mean, I could not
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have scripted it better.
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♪ ♪
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- Exactly one month since the
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first "New York Times" story
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about Weinstein's harassment,
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more and more powerful men
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have been held to account.
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They've been accused
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of harassing
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or assaulting behavior,
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so what is next?
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Or maybe I should say,
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"Who is next?"
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♪ ♪
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- So when the Harvey Weinstein
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stories started coming out,
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it was upsetting.
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I didn't know anything
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about him.
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I didn't know him,
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but it was so familiar,
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and I was so grateful
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that those women
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were being believed,
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'cause I knew--I could
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just feel in my bones--
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like, I know what that's like;
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I know what that's about.
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But I was also kind of like,
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"I don't really wanna read
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these articles.
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"I don't really
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wanna take this in,
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"because I don't want this
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to get too close to me,
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"where I'm gonna have
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to decide,
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"well, what would I do
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"if I had the opportunity
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to come forward?
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I don't think I wanna
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even think about that."
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And also, I felt like,
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as a black woman,
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I was like,
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"I don't know if this applies.
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I don't think this applies."
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- Victims of sexual harassment
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in Hollywood
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continue
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to tell their stories.
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This morning, allegations
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surfaced against Brett Ratner,
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a filmmaker best known
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for directing
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the "Rush Hour" trilogy.
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- When Brett's name came up,
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then I literally started to get,
391
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like, you know,
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the, like, knots in my stomach.
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Like, "Oh, boy,
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here we go."
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And then Russell's name
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started to come up
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in the stories about Brett.
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- The "Los Angeles Times"
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revealed accusations
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of Simmons teaming up
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with Hollywood director
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Brett Ratner
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to allegedly assault women.
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- And then literally
405
00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:45,500
what happened,
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one of my friends,
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she said,
408
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"You know, I'm friends
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with Jodi Kantor
410
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at 'The New York Times.'
411
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Do you wanna talk with her?"
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I was like, "No, no, no, no, no,
413
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I do not wanna be radioactive.
415
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No."
416
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But then he denied everything,
417
00:12:01,375 --> 00:12:04,958
and I was so infuriated that
418
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I texted her back and I said,
419
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"Okay, intro me
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to Jodi Kantor.
421
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Just intro me."
422
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I spoke
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to "The New York Times."
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So I met with Jodi
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and Joe Coscarelli,
426
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the other reporter,
427
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and I was like,
428
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"This is off the record.
429
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"I'm just meeting with you.
430
00:12:27,833 --> 00:12:29,500
"I just wanna kind of generally
431
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tell you my story,
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"and you guys tell me if you
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think it's even worth,
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you know, documenting."
435
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- Mm-hmm.
436
00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:35,417
- So they were like,
437
00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:35,417
"We'll think about it."
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00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,708
You know, "Just think about it.
439
00:12:36,792 --> 00:12:38,292
Let's stay in touch."
440
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And, um--
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- What are the stakes for you
442
00:12:38,375 --> 00:12:41,000
in terms of this, like,
443
00:12:41,083 --> 00:12:43,167
coming out?
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- Chaos.
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I don't really want chaos
446
00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:45,583
'cause I have kids
447
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and my husband
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doesn't like chaos.
449
00:12:47,958 --> 00:12:49,042
- Have you talked to your kids?
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- My kids know generally
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00:12:50,583 --> 00:12:52,583
that men
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behaved inappropriately
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with me in the music industry,
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and that's all I said.
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And I'm also just afraid
456
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that after finally finding
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00:13:02,250 --> 00:13:06,500
some sort of peace after
458
00:13:02,250 --> 00:13:06,500
some really rough years,
459
00:13:06,583 --> 00:13:09,542
it's inviting more chaos
460
00:13:06,583 --> 00:13:09,542
into our lives.
461
00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:20,083
So this is, um, where Def Jam
462
00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:20,083
used to be.
463
00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:23,875
160 Varick Street.
464
00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:23,875
Spent two years of my life here.
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00:13:23,958 --> 00:13:27,958
You know, I definitely remember
466
00:13:23,958 --> 00:13:27,958
somewhere along this street,
467
00:13:28,042 --> 00:13:32,542
catching cabs because
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00:13:28,042 --> 00:13:32,542
I have #LightPrivilege,
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00:13:32,625 --> 00:13:34,875
so I would, like,
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00:13:32,625 --> 00:13:34,875
get the cab,
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00:13:34,958 --> 00:13:37,375
and, like, I remember, like,
472
00:13:34,958 --> 00:13:37,375
Method Man and Redman
473
00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:38,542
would be like,
474
00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:38,542
"All right, guys,
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00:13:38,625 --> 00:13:40,125
everybody in, everybody in!"
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00:13:40,208 --> 00:13:42,750
I would be, like,
477
00:13:40,208 --> 00:13:42,750
the stealth cab catcher.
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00:13:45,958 --> 00:13:47,833
This was Def Jam in the '90s.
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This is where it all went down.
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♪ ♪
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- I was an executive assistant
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at Def Jam.
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It didn't feel like an office
484
00:13:59,583 --> 00:14:03,750
so much as almost, like,
485
00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:06,917
you're in a--
486
00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:06,917
like, a club.
487
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,208
- When I started doing outside
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00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,208
counsel legal services
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00:14:10,292 --> 00:14:11,583
for Def Jam,
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00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:13,333
Russell had in place
491
00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:13,333
someone else
492
00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,625
who was really running
493
00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,625
the operation day-to-day.
494
00:14:16,708 --> 00:14:18,583
That was Lyor Cohen.
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00:14:16,708 --> 00:14:18,583
Very, very so--
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00:14:18,667 --> 00:14:20,708
I mean, he's legendary
497
00:14:18,667 --> 00:14:20,708
for being, you know,
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00:14:20,792 --> 00:14:23,333
just this hugely strong
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00:14:20,792 --> 00:14:23,333
personality.
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00:14:23,417 --> 00:14:27,208
- Russell and I's daily
501
00:14:23,417 --> 00:14:27,208
meeting was at Danceteria,
502
00:14:27,292 --> 00:14:29,917
'cause he was just nonstop:
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00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,458
"and we're going to do this,
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00:14:31,542 --> 00:14:34,000
"and once we do this,
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00:14:31,542 --> 00:14:34,000
we're going to do that,
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and goddamn,
507
00:14:34,083 --> 00:14:37,500
she's fine."
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00:14:37,583 --> 00:14:39,458
- So Lyor was president
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00:14:37,583 --> 00:14:39,458
of the label
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00:14:39,542 --> 00:14:41,250
on my first day.
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At some point, he called me
512
00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:45,125
into his office and he's like,
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"I don't know
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00:14:45,208 --> 00:14:47,667
who the fuck you are,
515
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,708
"but I don't have any time
516
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,708
for any of Russell's
517
00:14:50,792 --> 00:14:52,542
"tall, skinny bitches,
518
00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:54,750
"so this is what
519
00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:54,750
I want you to do.
520
00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:56,792
"If you see me in the building,
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"if you see me in the hallway,
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"find the nearest open office--
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"the nearest open door,
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00:15:02,542 --> 00:15:04,208
"go into it,
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00:15:02,542 --> 00:15:04,208
and hide,
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00:15:04,292 --> 00:15:06,833
"because I don't want
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00:15:04,292 --> 00:15:06,833
to fucking see any tall,
528
00:15:06,917 --> 00:15:09,125
"skinny bitches who are friends
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00:15:06,917 --> 00:15:09,125
with Russell.
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00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:11,333
Got it?
531
00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:11,333
Got it, tall, skinny?"
532
00:15:11,417 --> 00:15:13,292
I was like, "Got it."
533
00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:30,000
- It was clear what he meant.
534
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There was this perception
535
00:15:30,083 --> 00:15:33,208
that I had a certain kind
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00:15:33,292 --> 00:15:35,208
of relationship with Russell,
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00:15:35,292 --> 00:15:37,333
which was definitely not true,
538
00:15:37,417 --> 00:15:39,708
and so I didn't wanna fail.
539
00:15:39,792 --> 00:15:41,833
I mean, how much better
540
00:15:39,792 --> 00:15:41,833
of a shot could I get
541
00:15:41,917 --> 00:15:45,083
than being the director
542
00:15:41,917 --> 00:15:45,083
of A&R at Def Jam?
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00:15:45,167 --> 00:15:47,167
This has to work.
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00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:51,958
And so the only way to really
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00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:51,958
get his full attention--
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00:15:52,042 --> 00:15:53,917
'cause he was quite scattered--
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00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,667
was to be in front of him.
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00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:57,792
So I would stay in touch
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00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:57,792
with his driver, Kenny Mac.
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00:15:57,875 --> 00:15:59,708
"Where is he gonna be and when
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00:15:57,875 --> 00:15:59,708
is he gonna be there?"
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00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:01,083
He'd be like, "He's gonna be
553
00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:01,083
in front of the building.
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00:16:01,167 --> 00:16:02,583
Just come out now."
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00:16:02,667 --> 00:16:06,667
And that's essentially
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00:16:02,667 --> 00:16:06,667
how I made it work.
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00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:09,875
Eventually Russell gave me
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00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:09,875
a soundtrack to put together,
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00:16:09,958 --> 00:16:12,167
and it was
560
00:16:09,958 --> 00:16:12,167
a hip-hop documentary
561
00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,208
and it was like a survey
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00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,208
of hip-hop.
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00:16:14,292 --> 00:16:16,750
- ♪ Put your hands in the air
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00:16:14,292 --> 00:16:16,750
if you's a true player ♪
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- So when you're pulling
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00:16:16,833 --> 00:16:18,917
a soundtrack,
567
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000
you have to get all these
568
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000
different types of sounds
569
00:16:21,083 --> 00:16:22,458
for the score.
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00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:24,792
- ♪ The R to the E
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00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:24,792
to the S-P-ECT ♪
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00:16:24,875 --> 00:16:27,083
- Working with
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00:16:24,875 --> 00:16:27,083
that kind of a budget
574
00:16:27,167 --> 00:16:29,292
and it's, like,
575
00:16:27,167 --> 00:16:29,292
your first record to do,
576
00:16:29,375 --> 00:16:31,208
it was, like, a daunting task,
577
00:16:31,292 --> 00:16:33,375
but, um, like, she was
578
00:16:31,292 --> 00:16:33,375
definitely up for the challenge.
579
00:16:33,458 --> 00:16:35,958
- Here you had
580
00:16:33,458 --> 00:16:35,958
very sophisticated deals
581
00:16:36,042 --> 00:16:38,292
that had to be done
582
00:16:36,042 --> 00:16:38,292
to license these songs,
583
00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:41,167
to license the sound recordings
584
00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:41,167
of the songs,
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00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:43,750
artists that you had to deal
586
00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:43,750
with all their representatives,
587
00:16:43,833 --> 00:16:47,083
and so she had a lot
588
00:16:43,833 --> 00:16:47,083
of ground to cover.
589
00:16:47,167 --> 00:16:48,958
- I just started picking up
590
00:16:47,167 --> 00:16:48,958
the phone and calling, like,
591
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:51,042
"Hi, my name is Drew Dixon.
592
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:51,042
I work at Def Jam.
593
00:16:51,125 --> 00:16:53,000
"We're doing a soundtrack
594
00:16:51,125 --> 00:16:53,000
about hip-hop
595
00:16:53,083 --> 00:16:55,333
and I think it's important
596
00:16:53,083 --> 00:16:55,333
that you're represented.
597
00:16:55,417 --> 00:16:57,167
"I wanna represent
598
00:16:55,417 --> 00:16:57,167
the Midwest.
599
00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,625
"I wanna represent
600
00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,625
the South.
601
00:16:58,708 --> 00:17:00,083
"I feel like
602
00:16:58,708 --> 00:17:00,083
these are the genres
603
00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:02,583
that represent
604
00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:02,583
the state of the art,"
605
00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,833
and I just sort of made it up
606
00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,833
as I went along.
607
00:17:06,833 --> 00:17:08,375
Like, I called
608
00:17:06,833 --> 00:17:08,375
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
609
00:17:08,458 --> 00:17:09,583
out of the clear blue
610
00:17:08,458 --> 00:17:09,583
'cause I saw them
611
00:17:09,667 --> 00:17:11,208
on "Video Music Jukebox,"
612
00:17:11,292 --> 00:17:13,083
and I just called them and said,
613
00:17:11,292 --> 00:17:13,083
"Can we have a song?"
614
00:17:13,167 --> 00:17:14,708
And they were like, "Cool,"
615
00:17:13,167 --> 00:17:14,708
and even, like,
616
00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:16,417
Def Jam was like, "Who?"
617
00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:16,417
And I was like, "Trust me.
618
00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,583
They're dope."
619
00:17:17,667 --> 00:17:19,083
- ♪ It's an everyday thang ♪
620
00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:20,917
♪ When you let
621
00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:20,917
your nuts hang ♪
622
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,667
- And at the end of the
623
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,667
record, I have a shout-out.
624
00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:24,458
"Everyday Thang,"
625
00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:24,458
if you listen to it.
626
00:17:24,542 --> 00:17:28,125
- Much love to Drew
627
00:17:24,542 --> 00:17:28,125
and everybody at Def Jam.
628
00:17:28,208 --> 00:17:29,542
- It was my first shout-out.
629
00:17:30,917 --> 00:17:32,375
It was so great.
630
00:17:30,917 --> 00:17:32,375
Well, they were like,
631
00:17:32,458 --> 00:17:34,292
"You're from Def Jam
632
00:17:32,458 --> 00:17:34,292
and you're calling us?"
633
00:17:34,375 --> 00:17:37,125
I was like, "Yeah,
634
00:17:34,375 --> 00:17:37,125
you guys are dope."
635
00:17:37,208 --> 00:17:38,833
- Tupac was on that album.
636
00:17:38,917 --> 00:17:41,417
Slick Rick,
637
00:17:38,917 --> 00:17:41,417
Dr. Dre.
638
00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:45,542
She got Method Man and Redman
639
00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:45,542
on the record together.
640
00:17:45,625 --> 00:17:47,375
- Method Man and Redman.
641
00:17:47,458 --> 00:17:50,167
That literally meant she gave
642
00:17:47,458 --> 00:17:50,167
some of the best MCs
643
00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:52,875
on the planet a deal.
644
00:17:52,958 --> 00:17:56,833
That's dope.
645
00:17:52,958 --> 00:17:56,833
That's dope.
646
00:17:56,917 --> 00:17:58,417
- "The Show" was a big success.
647
00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:01,167
Um, I worked on other things
648
00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:01,167
that were big successes.
649
00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:04,458
I, um, heard an interlude
650
00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:04,458
when they were working
651
00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:06,500
on Method Man's album,
652
00:18:06,583 --> 00:18:08,583
and the interlude literally
653
00:18:06,583 --> 00:18:08,583
was just Method Man
654
00:18:08,667 --> 00:18:10,208
a cappella saying,
655
00:18:10,292 --> 00:18:12,500
"Shorty, I'm there for you
656
00:18:10,292 --> 00:18:12,500
anytime you need me.
657
00:18:12,583 --> 00:18:13,833
"For real, girl,
658
00:18:12,583 --> 00:18:13,833
it's me in your world.
659
00:18:13,917 --> 00:18:14,875
Believe me."
660
00:18:14,958 --> 00:18:16,500
- ♪ Believe me ♪
661
00:18:16,583 --> 00:18:18,292
♪ Nothing make a man
662
00:18:16,583 --> 00:18:18,292
feel better than a woman ♪
663
00:18:18,375 --> 00:18:20,208
♪ Queen with a crown
664
00:18:18,375 --> 00:18:20,208
that be down for whatever ♪
665
00:18:20,292 --> 00:18:23,083
- I was like, "Wow.
666
00:18:20,292 --> 00:18:23,083
Well, that's dope.
667
00:18:23,167 --> 00:18:27,542
"That's, like,
668
00:18:23,167 --> 00:18:27,542
a hip-hop sonnet.
669
00:18:27,625 --> 00:18:30,375
That's dope."
670
00:18:30,458 --> 00:18:32,125
Like, I remember
671
00:18:30,458 --> 00:18:32,125
telling Russell,
672
00:18:32,208 --> 00:18:34,208
"That's a song.
673
00:18:32,208 --> 00:18:34,208
That's not an interlude.
674
00:18:34,292 --> 00:18:36,333
And it should be a duet."
675
00:18:36,417 --> 00:18:37,708
I was like,
676
00:18:36,417 --> 00:18:37,708
"What about Mary?"
677
00:18:37,792 --> 00:18:39,250
He's like, "Okay."
678
00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:41,292
And then I remember
679
00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:41,292
a phone call with Puffy.
680
00:18:41,375 --> 00:18:44,125
And he's like, "Okay, so I
681
00:18:41,375 --> 00:18:44,125
have an idea for this record.
682
00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:46,667
Do you know the song
683
00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:46,667
"You're All I Need to Get By"
684
00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,208
by Marvin Gaye
685
00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,208
and Tammi Terrell?
686
00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:49,750
I was like, "Of course I do."
687
00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:52,083
He's like, "Okay, can you sing
688
00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:52,083
the Tammi Terrell part?"
689
00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:54,042
And I was like, "Okay."
690
00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:54,042
♪ You're all I need ♪
691
00:18:54,125 --> 00:18:55,500
- ♪ You're all I need ♪
692
00:18:55,583 --> 00:18:57,542
- ♪ All I need ♪
693
00:18:55,583 --> 00:18:57,542
- ♪ To get by ♪
694
00:18:57,625 --> 00:19:00,000
- ♪ To get by ♪
695
00:18:57,625 --> 00:19:00,000
- ♪ Aye ♪
696
00:19:00,083 --> 00:19:02,875
- He's like, "Okay,
697
00:19:00,083 --> 00:19:02,875
now imagine the--
698
00:19:02,958 --> 00:19:06,208
the 'Children's Story' track."
699
00:19:06,292 --> 00:19:07,708
He's like, "Okay."
700
00:19:07,792 --> 00:19:09,250
♪ Shorty, I'm there for you
701
00:19:07,792 --> 00:19:09,250
anytime you-- ♪
702
00:19:09,333 --> 00:19:10,750
And I'm, like, singing Tammi
703
00:19:09,333 --> 00:19:10,750
and he's like...
704
00:19:10,833 --> 00:19:12,083
♪ For real girl ♪
705
00:19:10,833 --> 00:19:12,083
I was like, "Oh, my God.
706
00:19:12,167 --> 00:19:14,167
"Mind blown!
707
00:19:12,167 --> 00:19:14,167
Yo, this is crazy!
708
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:17,625
Oh, my God.
709
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:17,625
We have to do this."
710
00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:21,625
- To this day
711
00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:21,625
when you hear that song,
712
00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:23,292
you know that the people
713
00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:23,292
behind that had a vision.
714
00:19:23,375 --> 00:19:24,583
First of all, you had to know
715
00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,208
that Mary and Method
716
00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,208
go together.
717
00:19:26,292 --> 00:19:30,083
They just do,
718
00:19:26,292 --> 00:19:30,083
but who knew?
719
00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:33,167
- The record won a Grammy.
720
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:35,583
I mean, literally,
721
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:35,583
it's on Obama's mixtape
722
00:19:35,667 --> 00:19:37,250
of his favorite songs,
723
00:19:35,667 --> 00:19:37,250
and I'm like...
724
00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:45,000
After the duet was successful,
725
00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:46,958
and then "The Show" soundtrack
726
00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:46,958
hit number one
727
00:19:47,042 --> 00:19:51,083
on the R&B chart,
728
00:19:47,042 --> 00:19:51,083
shipped platinum,
729
00:19:51,167 --> 00:19:53,083
it really helped build
730
00:19:51,167 --> 00:19:53,083
our credibility
731
00:19:53,167 --> 00:19:55,333
with PolyGram records.
732
00:19:55,417 --> 00:19:57,625
I was suddenly on the radar
733
00:19:55,417 --> 00:19:57,625
with the parent company.
734
00:19:57,708 --> 00:20:01,125
I wasn't just Drew Dixon
735
00:19:57,708 --> 00:20:01,125
from Def Jam.
736
00:20:01,208 --> 00:20:04,917
Lyor sent me this, like,
737
00:20:01,208 --> 00:20:04,917
massive gourmet gift basket
738
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,833
to thank me for my hard work
739
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,833
and to sort of say, "I'm sorry
740
00:20:07,917 --> 00:20:10,750
I didn't appreciate
741
00:20:07,917 --> 00:20:10,750
how talented you were."
742
00:20:10,833 --> 00:20:11,958
- That's one
743
00:20:10,833 --> 00:20:11,958
of the beautiful things
744
00:20:12,042 --> 00:20:13,875
about the music industry.
745
00:20:13,958 --> 00:20:17,125
If you have a great work ethic
746
00:20:13,958 --> 00:20:17,125
and you have some talent,
747
00:20:17,208 --> 00:20:19,708
you can end up
748
00:20:17,208 --> 00:20:19,708
running a label.
749
00:20:19,792 --> 00:20:21,500
So it is a space
750
00:20:19,792 --> 00:20:21,500
where there was
751
00:20:21,583 --> 00:20:24,125
a lot of mobility for women,
752
00:20:24,208 --> 00:20:26,917
but at the same time,
753
00:20:24,208 --> 00:20:26,917
there was tremendous amount
754
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,708
of sexual harassment that was
755
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,708
just baked into the culture.
756
00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:41,292
all: Thank you, Daddy.
757
00:20:41,375 --> 00:20:43,958
- Music comes with a certain
758
00:20:41,375 --> 00:20:43,958
sense of promiscuity.
759
00:20:44,042 --> 00:20:45,417
Like, whether you're an artist
760
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:46,917
or the--you're the guy
761
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:46,917
making the artist,
762
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,208
you have that kind of power
763
00:20:48,292 --> 00:20:50,625
where sex is just part
764
00:20:48,292 --> 00:20:50,625
of the game.
765
00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:53,542
- When things went awry,
766
00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:53,542
if things were uncomfortable,
767
00:20:53,625 --> 00:20:56,333
if they were misogynist,
768
00:20:53,625 --> 00:20:56,333
if they were sexist,
769
00:20:56,417 --> 00:20:59,500
you didn't get a lot
770
00:20:56,417 --> 00:20:59,500
of sympathy for that, you know?
771
00:20:59,583 --> 00:21:02,042
That was considered
772
00:20:59,583 --> 00:21:02,042
the price of admission.
773
00:21:02,125 --> 00:21:06,667
- The first time Russell
774
00:21:02,125 --> 00:21:06,667
was inappropriate with me,
775
00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:09,833
we were at Café Tabac.
776
00:21:09,917 --> 00:21:11,583
He was waiting outside
777
00:21:09,917 --> 00:21:11,583
of the restroom
778
00:21:11,667 --> 00:21:13,542
as I was leaving the restroom
779
00:21:11,667 --> 00:21:13,542
and he grabbed me
780
00:21:13,625 --> 00:21:17,500
and pulled me into a closet
781
00:21:13,625 --> 00:21:17,500
and tried to kiss me
782
00:21:17,583 --> 00:21:19,708
and I got away,
783
00:21:19,792 --> 00:21:22,167
and then it started happening
784
00:21:19,792 --> 00:21:22,167
in my office,
785
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:25,292
and he would come in
786
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:25,292
and lock the door.
787
00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,500
The first couple times,
788
00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,500
he would just try to kiss me
789
00:21:27,583 --> 00:21:29,500
and I got out of it,
790
00:21:29,583 --> 00:21:31,250
but then Russell escalated
791
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:32,708
from pushing me
792
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:32,708
against the wall
793
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,542
to literally coming in,
794
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,542
not touching me,
795
00:21:34,625 --> 00:21:37,125
but exposing himself.
796
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:40,708
I thought that he was,
797
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:40,708
like, this tragic, like,
798
00:21:40,792 --> 00:21:45,083
ADD puppy dog that I just had
799
00:21:40,792 --> 00:21:45,083
to keep retraining,
800
00:21:45,167 --> 00:21:48,292
but then he wasn't,
801
00:21:45,167 --> 00:21:48,292
like, violent.
802
00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:52,958
- He always sheepishly
803
00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:52,958
apologized later,
804
00:21:53,042 --> 00:21:57,917
so I thought, "He feels bad,"
805
00:21:53,042 --> 00:21:57,917
and he would sort of back off
806
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,042
for a while, and then
807
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,042
he would do it again.
808
00:22:01,125 --> 00:22:03,542
I guess I thought it was part
809
00:22:01,125 --> 00:22:03,542
of the culture
810
00:22:03,625 --> 00:22:07,500
and I needed
811
00:22:03,625 --> 00:22:07,500
to just manage around it,
812
00:22:07,583 --> 00:22:12,208
and then eventually I thought
813
00:22:07,583 --> 00:22:12,208
that I had proven myself
814
00:22:12,292 --> 00:22:17,375
and was now too valuable for him
815
00:22:12,292 --> 00:22:17,375
to wanna burn the bridge.
816
00:22:17,458 --> 00:22:20,417
I thought,
817
00:22:17,458 --> 00:22:20,417
"I am an executive with value,
818
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:21,750
"and he's a businessperson,
819
00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:23,458
"and he's a very
820
00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:23,458
well-regarded one,
821
00:22:23,542 --> 00:22:25,625
so surely he'll leave me alone."
822
00:22:27,833 --> 00:22:29,417
I really didn't understand
823
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,250
that all of those
824
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,250
other violations
825
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:36,708
of my physical boundaries
826
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:36,708
were breaking me down.
827
00:22:46,333 --> 00:22:50,667
- You stay because you hope
828
00:22:46,333 --> 00:22:50,667
that perhaps you can
829
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:53,417
provide enough value
830
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:53,417
to the company
831
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,583
and move ahead,
832
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:59,042
but part of the ability
833
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:59,042
to ascend
834
00:22:59,125 --> 00:23:03,458
is contingent upon your ability
835
00:22:59,125 --> 00:23:03,458
to either, A,
836
00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:06,625
comply with someone's
837
00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:06,625
sexual advances
838
00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:13,792
or letting them think that they
839
00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:13,792
might have a shot in hell
840
00:23:13,875 --> 00:23:16,542
without encouraging them.
841
00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:18,750
It's something that you have
842
00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:18,750
to go along with
843
00:23:18,833 --> 00:23:22,958
because the alternative
844
00:23:18,833 --> 00:23:22,958
is that you'll be unemployed.
845
00:23:23,042 --> 00:23:26,625
- I think for a lot of women
846
00:23:23,042 --> 00:23:26,625
of that era,
847
00:23:26,708 --> 00:23:31,667
it's only now that we're really
848
00:23:26,708 --> 00:23:31,667
unpacking how toxic
849
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:34,042
so much of that time was.
850
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:41,833
- When I was in college
851
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:41,833
and rap started,
852
00:23:41,917 --> 00:23:44,708
it was like party music,
853
00:23:44,792 --> 00:23:49,208
and at some point, I remember
854
00:23:44,792 --> 00:23:49,208
dancing and--and singing along,
855
00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:53,333
and then words--"bitch,"
856
00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:53,333
"ho," you know,
857
00:23:53,417 --> 00:23:55,667
stuff like that started
858
00:23:53,417 --> 00:23:55,667
coming into the music,
859
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:57,083
and I was like,
860
00:23:57,167 --> 00:23:59,583
"I'm not quite sure
861
00:23:57,167 --> 00:23:59,583
if I'm down for this."
862
00:24:06,875 --> 00:24:08,542
- I'd say by mid-'80s,
863
00:24:08,625 --> 00:24:12,833
you have your G Raps and
864
00:24:08,625 --> 00:24:12,833
you have your hard-core MCs
865
00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:17,375
who are introducing misogyny
866
00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:17,375
over, like, dope beats
867
00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:20,042
and then things
868
00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:20,042
become palatable.
869
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,917
- And then you introduce video
870
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,917
at the level video begins
871
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,875
in the '90s, and women began
872
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,875
to look alike.
873
00:24:31,958 --> 00:24:34,458
They were all typically
874
00:24:31,958 --> 00:24:34,458
light-skinned.
875
00:24:34,542 --> 00:24:38,875
They all had long
876
00:24:34,542 --> 00:24:38,875
and/or wavy hair.
877
00:24:38,958 --> 00:24:44,500
It was clearly a statement
878
00:24:38,958 --> 00:24:44,500
against the large majority
879
00:24:44,583 --> 00:24:47,333
of black women,
880
00:24:44,583 --> 00:24:47,333
how we look
881
00:24:47,417 --> 00:24:48,792
and how we present.
882
00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:50,958
- ♪ And go dig in them guts
883
00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:50,958
like a gardener ♪
884
00:24:51,042 --> 00:24:53,500
♪ If she starts screaming,
885
00:24:51,042 --> 00:24:53,500
I'ma fuck the bitch harder ♪
886
00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:55,958
- I actually think that
887
00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:55,958
the things that are being said
888
00:24:56,042 --> 00:24:59,167
about black women
889
00:24:56,042 --> 00:24:59,167
are actually racist.
890
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:01,250
You know,
891
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:01,250
you're basically dancing,
892
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:06,458
you know, to, um, ideology
893
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:06,458
that had been, you know,
894
00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,167
spread by defenders of slavery.
895
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:11,500
You don't realize that this
896
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:11,500
is basically the same kind
897
00:25:11,583 --> 00:25:14,792
of idea that justified the--
898
00:25:11,583 --> 00:25:14,792
the abuse of black women
899
00:25:14,875 --> 00:25:17,250
for centuries.
900
00:25:14,875 --> 00:25:17,250
- When I was younger,
901
00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:19,708
I would look at the women
902
00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:19,708
and I would judge them, right?
903
00:25:19,792 --> 00:25:20,958
And I would feel
904
00:25:19,792 --> 00:25:20,958
some type of way,
905
00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:22,292
but as I get older,
906
00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:24,167
I look at the culture
907
00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:24,167
that breeds that.
908
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:28,042
- Hip-hop certainly didn't
909
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:28,042
invent misogyny in music.
910
00:25:28,125 --> 00:25:29,417
Just did not.
911
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,750
Every other music form
912
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,750
essentially
913
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:37,542
has some level of misogyny.
914
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:17,583
- Hip-hop has always
915
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:17,583
been reflective
916
00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:19,917
of the world that we live in.
917
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,625
These white patriarchal
918
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,625
power structures that exist,
919
00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:24,083
we just mimic them,
920
00:26:24,167 --> 00:26:25,792
and we carry them on
921
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:27,167
and make them our own.
922
00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:30,208
- Hip-hop was not just
923
00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:30,208
about misogyny,
924
00:26:30,292 --> 00:26:33,000
that hip-hop was not just
925
00:26:30,292 --> 00:26:33,000
about sexism.
926
00:26:33,083 --> 00:26:35,333
- ♪ We got to fight
927
00:26:33,083 --> 00:26:35,333
the powers that be ♪
928
00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,667
- And even though
929
00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,667
it may have been couched
930
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:41,375
in very hyper-masculine
931
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:41,375
imagery and language,
932
00:26:41,458 --> 00:26:44,750
there was really an expression
933
00:26:41,458 --> 00:26:44,750
of, like, pain
934
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:46,667
and struggle
935
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:46,667
and what it meant
936
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:48,333
to grow up with the legacy
937
00:26:48,417 --> 00:26:51,292
that the hip-hop
938
00:26:48,417 --> 00:26:51,292
generation inherited.
939
00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:53,375
- You stand in solidarity
940
00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:53,375
with the movement
941
00:26:53,458 --> 00:26:54,333
as a black woman.
942
00:26:54,417 --> 00:26:55,667
You don't parse the sexism
943
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,750
within the movement
944
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,750
as a black woman,
945
00:26:57,833 --> 00:27:01,583
and we were all so excited
946
00:26:57,833 --> 00:27:01,583
about hip-hop and what it meant
947
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:03,208
that we just sort of
948
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:03,208
tolerated it.
949
00:27:03,292 --> 00:27:04,375
We laughed it off.
950
00:27:04,458 --> 00:27:05,667
We thought, like,
951
00:27:04,458 --> 00:27:05,667
"Whatever.
952
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:10,042
"It's, you know, like--
953
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:10,042
it's--
954
00:27:10,125 --> 00:27:11,542
don't be so thin-skinned,"
955
00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:14,375
is sort of what we said
956
00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:14,375
to anyone who pushed back
957
00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:16,042
against some of that language,
958
00:27:16,125 --> 00:27:18,958
and now that I'm older,
959
00:27:16,125 --> 00:27:18,958
I realize that language
960
00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:20,875
set a tone,
961
00:27:20,958 --> 00:27:24,125
but I didn't see it that way
962
00:27:20,958 --> 00:27:24,125
at the time.
963
00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:32,917
"The New York Times" is doing
964
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,792
a super-rigorous
965
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,792
background check
966
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:40,667
to determine if I'm even
967
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:40,667
a credible source,
968
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:43,042
and I haven't even decided
969
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:43,042
if I'm gonna do this--
970
00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:45,167
if I'm even gonna go
971
00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:45,167
on the record.
972
00:28:01,250 --> 00:28:02,333
- Hello?
973
00:28:02,417 --> 00:28:03,917
- Hey, Joe.
974
00:28:02,417 --> 00:28:03,917
How are you?
975
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,708
- Good, and you?
976
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,708
- I'm okay.
977
00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:06,958
Is this an okay time?
978
00:28:07,042 --> 00:28:09,083
- Are we--are we on camera?
979
00:28:09,167 --> 00:28:10,750
- Uh, you are,
980
00:28:09,167 --> 00:28:10,750
so if you don't wanna be,
981
00:28:10,833 --> 00:28:12,375
we can--we can remedy that.
982
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:15,500
- Yeah, I mean, I think
983
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:15,500
this'll probably be, like,
984
00:28:15,583 --> 00:28:16,958
sort of sensitive.
985
00:28:15,583 --> 00:28:16,958
- Okay.
986
00:28:17,042 --> 00:28:20,667
- Uh, I don't know.
987
00:28:17,042 --> 00:28:20,667
I, uh--
988
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:22,375
I don't really know
989
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:22,375
what the rules are,
990
00:28:22,458 --> 00:28:24,583
but I just feel like--
991
00:28:22,458 --> 00:28:24,583
'cause we wanna sort of
992
00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:26,917
take you through the story,
993
00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:26,917
uh--
994
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,667
- Yeah, okay.
995
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:30,125
- Yeah, I don't--I don't know.
996
00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,667
Uh, let me merge Melena
997
00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,667
onto the call.
998
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:34,583
Is that okay?
999
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:34,583
- Sure.
1000
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:46,125
♪ ♪
1001
00:28:46,208 --> 00:28:49,958
I don't have a game plan.
1002
00:28:46,208 --> 00:28:49,958
Zero.
1003
00:28:50,042 --> 00:28:55,958
I haven't told the story
1004
00:28:50,042 --> 00:28:55,958
in probably a decade,
1005
00:28:56,042 --> 00:29:01,250
and talking to the reporters
1006
00:28:56,042 --> 00:29:01,250
just brought it all back.
1007
00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:08,500
♪ ♪
1008
00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:17,500
That particular night,
1009
00:29:17,583 --> 00:29:20,708
we were all at the Bowery Bar,
1010
00:29:17,583 --> 00:29:20,708
which was very common,
1011
00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:23,208
and he left ahead of me,
1012
00:29:23,292 --> 00:29:27,208
which I think I actually
1013
00:29:23,292 --> 00:29:27,208
purposely waited for
1014
00:29:27,292 --> 00:29:28,500
because there had been times
1015
00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:31,250
when he'd sort of
1016
00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:31,250
followed me out,
1017
00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:36,333
and I had to walk by
1018
00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:36,333
his apartment to get a cab,
1019
00:29:36,417 --> 00:29:37,958
and he stopped me
1020
00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:39,708
and he asked me
1021
00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:39,708
where I was going,
1022
00:29:39,792 --> 00:29:41,958
and I said I was going home
1023
00:29:39,792 --> 00:29:41,958
and I was just getting cash
1024
00:29:42,042 --> 00:29:43,500
to get a cab,
1025
00:29:43,583 --> 00:29:45,375
and he was like,
1026
00:29:43,583 --> 00:29:45,375
"Don't be ridiculous, Money.
1027
00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:46,792
"Like, you've got
1028
00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:46,792
this hit record.
1029
00:29:46,875 --> 00:29:48,083
"Like, you're a big deal.
1030
00:29:48,167 --> 00:29:50,333
"Like,
1031
00:29:48,167 --> 00:29:50,333
you're a big executive now.
1032
00:29:50,417 --> 00:29:54,792
Why don't you, um,
1033
00:29:50,417 --> 00:29:54,792
let me order you a car?"
1034
00:29:54,875 --> 00:29:58,917
And so I went upstairs,
1035
00:29:54,875 --> 00:29:58,917
and this was the first time
1036
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,208
I literally walked
1037
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,208
into his apartment
1038
00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:01,708
and I was alone,
1039
00:30:01,792 --> 00:30:06,458
and I--I immediately
1040
00:30:01,792 --> 00:30:06,458
felt uncomfortable,
1041
00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:07,875
and so then I said,
1042
00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:11,500
"Why don't I wait downstairs
1043
00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:11,500
for the car?"
1044
00:30:11,583 --> 00:30:12,875
And he said,
1045
00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:14,542
"No, no, no, no,
1046
00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:14,542
no problem, Money,
1047
00:30:14,625 --> 00:30:19,667
"but there's a demo that I got
1048
00:30:14,625 --> 00:30:19,667
that you're gonna love.
1049
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:23,833
I want you to hear that first,"
1050
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:23,833
which is catnip for me.
1051
00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:26,125
I was like, "Really?
1052
00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:26,125
Okay.
1053
00:30:26,208 --> 00:30:29,875
"Um, why don't I
1054
00:30:26,208 --> 00:30:29,875
take it with me?
1055
00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:31,875
I'll take it with me."
1056
00:30:31,958 --> 00:30:34,583
And he's like, "Okay, cool.
1057
00:30:34,667 --> 00:30:36,542
Um, it's in the CD player."
1058
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:39,458
I'm like,
1059
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:39,458
"Where's the CD player?"
1060
00:30:39,542 --> 00:30:40,833
"It's in my bedroom.
1061
00:30:40,917 --> 00:30:42,833
Just go in there
1062
00:30:40,917 --> 00:30:42,833
and make a left."
1063
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:47,917
So I go in and I see
1064
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:47,917
this huge, daunting stereo.
1065
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,417
I remember I was struggling
1066
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,417
to figure out
1067
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,917
how to turn it on.
1068
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,250
The next thing I know,
1069
00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:57,750
he is naked
1070
00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:57,750
wearing a condom,
1071
00:30:57,833 --> 00:31:00,583
and he just grabbed me.
1072
00:31:00,667 --> 00:31:03,292
He just grabbed me,
1073
00:31:03,375 --> 00:31:08,333
and he just threw me on the bed
1074
00:31:03,375 --> 00:31:08,333
and he wrestled me to the bed
1075
00:31:08,417 --> 00:31:13,000
and pins me down,
1076
00:31:08,417 --> 00:31:13,000
and I'm fighting,
1077
00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:15,042
and I'm saying no.
1078
00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:18,458
He's telling me to stop
1079
00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:18,458
fighting in a very cold...
1080
00:31:21,917 --> 00:31:28,292
Menacing,
1081
00:31:21,917 --> 00:31:28,292
detached voice
1082
00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:32,167
that I'd never,
1083
00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:32,167
ever heard from him before.
1084
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:37,958
Um, I see handcuffs dangling
1085
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:37,958
from the canopy.
1086
00:31:38,042 --> 00:31:39,250
I'm not saying for one second
1087
00:31:39,333 --> 00:31:41,125
I had any interaction
1088
00:31:39,333 --> 00:31:41,125
with those,
1089
00:31:41,208 --> 00:31:46,208
but they scared me,
1090
00:31:41,208 --> 00:31:46,208
and I just blacked out.
1091
00:31:46,292 --> 00:31:48,625
I blacked out.
1092
00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:52,042
I blacked out,
1093
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:56,250
which is something survivors
1094
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:56,250
often do.
1095
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,125
It's, like,
1096
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,125
a self-preservation tactic.
1097
00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:03,667
♪ ♪
1098
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:05,250
The next thing I remember,
1099
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:08,750
I was in the bathtub
1100
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:08,750
with him naked
1101
00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:10,250
and he says,
1102
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,833
"And so now that you
1103
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,833
and I are fucking, Drew,
1104
00:32:12,917 --> 00:32:15,917
we'll hang out
1105
00:32:12,917 --> 00:32:15,917
and we'll fuck all the time."
1106
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,625
And I was just like,
1107
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,625
"I'm gonna go."
1108
00:32:20,708 --> 00:32:21,833
I don't know if I said,
1109
00:32:20,708 --> 00:32:21,833
"I'm gonna go."
1110
00:32:21,917 --> 00:32:22,875
Maybe I said I'm gonna go.
1111
00:32:22,958 --> 00:32:24,208
I got out,
1112
00:32:22,958 --> 00:32:24,208
I'm naked,
1113
00:32:24,292 --> 00:32:25,833
I'm wet,
1114
00:32:25,917 --> 00:32:31,125
I'm naked walking around his bed
1115
00:32:25,917 --> 00:32:31,125
trying to find my clothes,
1116
00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:32,667
and I walk home.
1117
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:36,625
I lived 22 blocks away.
1118
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:36,625
I walk home.
1119
00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:41,042
And when I got home,
1120
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:46,667
I got in the shower
1121
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:46,667
with all my clothes on,
1122
00:32:46,750 --> 00:32:48,625
and I took, like,
1123
00:32:46,750 --> 00:32:48,625
a cold shower,
1124
00:32:48,708 --> 00:32:50,833
lying down just crying,
1125
00:32:50,917 --> 00:32:54,042
and I just laid there
1126
00:32:50,917 --> 00:32:54,042
for a really long time.
1127
00:32:54,125 --> 00:33:00,625
♪ ♪
1128
00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:05,917
I was reduced to nothing
1129
00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:05,917
in that moment.
1130
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,833
I was nothing.
1131
00:33:08,917 --> 00:33:10,667
I was trash.
1132
00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,583
Nothing about me mattered.
1133
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:18,875
Nothing about anything that
1134
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:18,875
makes me who I am mattered.
1135
00:33:18,958 --> 00:33:24,583
I was a physical object.
1136
00:33:18,958 --> 00:33:24,583
I was a physical device.
1137
00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:26,333
I was a physical...
1138
00:33:27,917 --> 00:33:31,417
I--I--some physical thing
1139
00:33:27,917 --> 00:33:31,417
that he utilized
1140
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,083
for his pleasure.
1141
00:33:33,167 --> 00:33:39,542
♪ ♪
1142
00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,208
- At that time,
1143
00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,208
when she came to me,
1144
00:33:41,292 --> 00:33:43,250
she had told me that she had
1145
00:33:41,292 --> 00:33:43,250
been assaulted
1146
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:46,208
a few days earlier.
1147
00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:48,125
I believed her
1148
00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:48,125
when she told me.
1149
00:33:48,208 --> 00:33:51,042
I could see it in her face,
1150
00:33:48,208 --> 00:33:51,042
like, something had happened.
1151
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:52,750
That spirit,
1152
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:52,750
that light wasn't there.
1153
00:33:52,833 --> 00:33:55,583
Like, it had been, like,
1154
00:33:52,833 --> 00:33:55,583
almost, like, taken away.
1155
00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:59,750
♪ ♪
1156
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:03,333
Then I had asked her, um,
1157
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:03,333
"Are you all right?
1158
00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:05,542
Do you wanna go to the police?"
1159
00:34:05,625 --> 00:34:09,708
And she was reluctant
1160
00:34:05,625 --> 00:34:09,708
because she was like,
1161
00:34:09,792 --> 00:34:11,292
"No one's gonna
1162
00:34:09,792 --> 00:34:11,292
take me seriously.
1163
00:34:11,375 --> 00:34:12,958
"He's, like, Russell Simmons.
1164
00:34:13,042 --> 00:34:14,458
Like, who's gonna believe me?"
1165
00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:17,042
- I think I must have
1166
00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:17,042
continued working there
1167
00:34:17,125 --> 00:34:18,292
for a little while longer.
1168
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:20,292
I remember going in
1169
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:20,292
for some meeting
1170
00:34:20,375 --> 00:34:21,417
and he was in the building
1171
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,125
and asked me to sit on his lap,
1172
00:34:24,208 --> 00:34:27,417
and I just remember
1173
00:34:24,208 --> 00:34:27,417
feeling like, "My God."
1174
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:31,292
I'm like...
1175
00:34:31,375 --> 00:34:33,708
"He thinks I'm that person now."
1176
00:34:36,042 --> 00:34:39,208
"I'm not that person."
1177
00:34:39,292 --> 00:34:40,708
And so then I, like,
1178
00:34:40,792 --> 00:34:43,417
submitted a handwritten letter
1179
00:34:40,792 --> 00:34:43,417
of resignation
1180
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,500
which I wrote once and had,
1181
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,500
like, all these cross-outs,
1182
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:47,833
but I literally did not even
1183
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:47,833
have the physical strength
1184
00:34:47,917 --> 00:34:50,542
to crumple it up
1185
00:34:47,917 --> 00:34:50,542
and start again.
1186
00:34:52,292 --> 00:34:53,667
And they were like,
1187
00:34:52,292 --> 00:34:53,667
"Do you want more money?
1188
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:55,500
"Do you wanna be
1189
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:55,500
a vice president?
1190
00:34:55,583 --> 00:34:56,792
How much money
1191
00:34:55,583 --> 00:34:56,792
is it gonna take?"
1192
00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:59,375
This is Russell talking.
1193
00:34:59,458 --> 00:35:01,667
And then finally Lyor
1194
00:34:59,458 --> 00:35:01,667
was like, "Stop.
1195
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:04,000
"Stop talking.
1196
00:35:04,083 --> 00:35:07,750
"Let her go.
1197
00:35:04,083 --> 00:35:07,750
She's gone.
1198
00:35:07,833 --> 00:35:09,250
Let her go."
1199
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:13,625
And that was it.
1200
00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:25,500
Yeah.
1201
00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:30,417
So...
1202
00:35:54,167 --> 00:35:57,375
Wait, that was a call
1203
00:35:54,167 --> 00:35:57,375
from California.
1204
00:35:59,083 --> 00:36:00,542
That's scary.
1205
00:36:02,292 --> 00:36:03,833
Hey, Joe.
1206
00:36:03,917 --> 00:36:06,708
Like, every 310 phone call
1207
00:36:03,917 --> 00:36:06,708
I get today,
1208
00:36:06,792 --> 00:36:08,417
I have to tell,
1209
00:36:06,792 --> 00:36:08,417
you I've had a heart attack.
1210
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,958
I'm like--I think it's, like,
1211
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,958
either Russell or LA,
1212
00:36:12,042 --> 00:36:13,292
and I'm like,
1213
00:36:12,042 --> 00:36:13,292
"Oh, my God, oh, my God,
1214
00:36:13,375 --> 00:36:14,667
should I not answer?
1215
00:36:13,375 --> 00:36:14,667
Oh, my God."
1216
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:25,667
- Mm-hmm.
1217
00:36:27,125 --> 00:36:28,542
- Sure, okay.
1218
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:31,083
- Mm.
1219
00:36:31,167 --> 00:36:33,208
Okay, okay.
1220
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,167
"The New York Times"
1221
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,167
called me back and said
1222
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:39,792
there were other women and
1223
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:39,792
there were other black women
1224
00:36:39,875 --> 00:36:43,458
who've been assaulted
1225
00:36:39,875 --> 00:36:43,458
by Russell,
1226
00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:44,667
that they won't
1227
00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:44,667
go on the record
1228
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:47,750
unless I go on the record,
1229
00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:51,792
but I'm still terrified
1230
00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:51,792
of the backlash.
1231
00:36:51,875 --> 00:36:57,750
♪ ♪
1232
00:36:57,833 --> 00:36:59,292
I remember my senior year
1233
00:36:57,833 --> 00:36:59,292
and Stanford,
1234
00:36:59,375 --> 00:37:02,417
watching
1235
00:36:59,375 --> 00:37:02,417
the Anita Hill hearings.
1236
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,417
- Professor, do you swear
1237
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,417
to tell the whole truth
1238
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,292
and nothing but the truth,
1239
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,292
so help you God?
1240
00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:07,708
- I do.
1241
00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:09,542
He spoke about acts
1242
00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:09,542
that he had seen
1243
00:37:09,625 --> 00:37:13,500
in pornographic films
1244
00:37:09,625 --> 00:37:13,500
involving such matters as women
1245
00:37:13,583 --> 00:37:15,417
having sex with animals
1246
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,583
and films showing group sex
1247
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,583
or rape scenes.
1248
00:37:19,667 --> 00:37:22,833
- I was like, "Well, that
1249
00:37:19,667 --> 00:37:22,833
didn't go very well for her.
1250
00:37:22,917 --> 00:37:26,125
"He's on the Supreme Court now.
1251
00:37:26,208 --> 00:37:28,208
I'm never gonna do that."
1252
00:37:28,292 --> 00:37:30,958
- Now, again,
1253
00:37:28,292 --> 00:37:30,958
for the record,
1254
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,083
did he just say,
1255
00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,417
"I have great physical
1256
00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,417
capability and attributes,"
1257
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:37,833
or was he more graphic in--
1258
00:37:37,917 --> 00:37:39,500
- He was much more graphic.
1259
00:37:39,583 --> 00:37:41,250
- Can you tell us what he said?
1260
00:37:41,333 --> 00:37:45,708
- Well, I can tell you that
1261
00:37:41,333 --> 00:37:45,708
he compared his penis size,
1262
00:37:45,792 --> 00:37:51,292
uh, he measured his penis
1263
00:37:45,792 --> 00:37:51,292
in terms of le--length,
1264
00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:54,667
um, those kinds of comments.
1265
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:56,042
- I mean, that's one thing
1266
00:37:56,125 --> 00:38:00,375
about being a victim
1267
00:37:56,125 --> 00:38:00,375
of sexual abuse.
1268
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,958
The words are on your mouth.
1269
00:38:03,042 --> 00:38:05,750
You're the one that has
1270
00:38:03,042 --> 00:38:05,750
to disgust the world
1271
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:07,333
by telling them
1272
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:07,333
what happened to you,
1273
00:38:07,417 --> 00:38:12,500
so you then become associated
1274
00:38:07,417 --> 00:38:12,500
with this vile,
1275
00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:14,542
vile act.
1276
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,958
You are defiled again because
1277
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,958
you have to tell people,
1278
00:38:18,042 --> 00:38:19,458
and they see it on your lips.
1279
00:38:19,542 --> 00:38:23,208
- Unequivocally,
1280
00:38:19,542 --> 00:38:23,208
uncategorically,
1281
00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:26,958
that I deny each
1282
00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:26,958
and every single allegation
1283
00:38:27,042 --> 00:38:31,375
against me today
1284
00:38:27,042 --> 00:38:31,375
that suggested in any way
1285
00:38:31,458 --> 00:38:36,250
that I had conversations
1286
00:38:31,458 --> 00:38:36,250
of a sexual nature...
1287
00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:40,125
- And then the person who did it
1288
00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:40,125
is shocked to the core,
1289
00:38:40,208 --> 00:38:41,542
as is society,
1290
00:38:41,625 --> 00:38:43,625
so then they're aligned
1291
00:38:41,625 --> 00:38:43,625
with society like...
1292
00:38:43,708 --> 00:38:46,750
Clutching their pearls.
1293
00:38:46,833 --> 00:38:50,917
- It is a high-tech lynching
1294
00:38:46,833 --> 00:38:50,917
for uppity blacks
1295
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,375
who in any way deign
1296
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,375
to think for themselves.
1297
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:58,667
- And you have this tawdry,
1298
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:58,667
sordid
1299
00:38:58,750 --> 00:39:03,167
nastiness on your lips,
1300
00:38:58,750 --> 00:39:03,167
so you seem gross.
1301
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:04,625
- There are a lot of people--
1302
00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:06,875
and you know it, Desiree--
1303
00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:06,875
who say
1304
00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:11,292
2:00 in the morning
1305
00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:11,292
in a man's room with beds,
1306
00:39:11,375 --> 00:39:14,750
what--what were you doing there
1307
00:39:11,375 --> 00:39:14,750
at 2:00 in the morning?
1308
00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:16,625
- I just wasn't thinking.
1309
00:39:16,708 --> 00:39:18,917
It--there's--you know,
1310
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,708
there's no other explanation.
1311
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,583
- And then I remember
1312
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,583
Desiree Washington,
1313
00:39:22,667 --> 00:39:26,583
who was the pageant winner
1314
00:39:22,667 --> 00:39:26,583
who was raped by Mike Tyson,
1315
00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,458
and, like, the black community
1316
00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,458
was not kind to her.
1317
00:39:29,542 --> 00:39:30,958
- "The Washington Post"
1318
00:39:31,042 --> 00:39:33,417
conducted interviews
1319
00:39:31,042 --> 00:39:33,417
with young women
1320
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,417
in college of your age,
1321
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,417
black women,
1322
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,958
and they didn't seem to show
1323
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,958
a lot of sympathy.
1324
00:39:39,042 --> 00:39:42,958
One said, "18-year-olds are not
1325
00:39:39,042 --> 00:39:42,958
naive in this day and age.
1326
00:39:43,042 --> 00:39:45,500
What did she think a guy wanted
1327
00:39:43,042 --> 00:39:45,500
at 2:00 in the morning?"
1328
00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:48,958
Another said, "She asked for it.
1329
00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:48,958
She got it.
1330
00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:51,292
It's not fair to cry rape."
1331
00:39:51,375 --> 00:39:53,125
- It's sad.
1332
00:39:53,208 --> 00:39:57,542
It's sad that women
1333
00:39:53,208 --> 00:39:57,542
in 1992 feel that way.
1334
00:39:57,625 --> 00:39:59,417
- It's like,
1335
00:39:57,625 --> 00:39:59,417
"Oh, no.
1336
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,500
"No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1337
00:40:01,583 --> 00:40:03,792
"I'm never, ever
1338
00:40:01,583 --> 00:40:03,792
gonna be that person.
1339
00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:06,292
"He's Russell Simmons.
1340
00:40:06,375 --> 00:40:08,542
He's the king of hip-hop."
1341
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:14,125
"No, I'm never gonna be
1342
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:14,125
that person.
1343
00:40:14,208 --> 00:40:18,375
"The black community
1344
00:40:14,208 --> 00:40:18,375
will hate my guts.
1345
00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:21,375
No."
1346
00:40:21,458 --> 00:40:25,667
- Black women's need, um,
1347
00:40:21,458 --> 00:40:25,667
and really duty that we feel
1348
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:27,583
to protect black men
1349
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:27,583
is definitely
1350
00:40:27,667 --> 00:40:29,167
a hindrance
1351
00:40:27,667 --> 00:40:29,167
to protecting ourselves.
1352
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:31,417
There's this added layer
1353
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:31,417
in the black community
1354
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,000
that we have to contend with
1355
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,000
of, like,
1356
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:37,125
"Oh, you're gonna put this
1357
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:37,125
before the race?"
1358
00:40:37,208 --> 00:40:38,917
Right, "You're gonna put this--
1359
00:40:37,208 --> 00:40:38,917
because this--
1360
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,792
"you let this thing happen
1361
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,792
to you,
1362
00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:43,042
now we have to pay for it
1363
00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:43,042
as a race?"
1364
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,458
And--and then we're silenced
1365
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,458
even more.
1366
00:40:45,542 --> 00:40:46,750
- On the one hand,
1367
00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:48,750
they are in an incredible amount
1368
00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:48,750
of pain
1369
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:52,125
and want their perpetrator
1370
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:52,125
to be punished,
1371
00:40:52,208 --> 00:40:55,500
but they're also fearful
1372
00:40:52,208 --> 00:40:55,500
of being cast as the person
1373
00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:58,333
who is putting a black man
1374
00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:58,333
in the line of fire.
1375
00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:02,208
- Many black women will allow
1376
00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:02,208
race loyalty to buy them
1377
00:41:02,292 --> 00:41:06,708
an early tombstone because
1378
00:41:02,292 --> 00:41:06,708
they cannot reconcile
1379
00:41:06,792 --> 00:41:08,875
the idea of engaging in
1380
00:41:08,958 --> 00:41:10,625
American criminal
1381
00:41:08,958 --> 00:41:10,625
justice system
1382
00:41:10,708 --> 00:41:13,542
that has been so brutal
1383
00:41:10,708 --> 00:41:13,542
to black men.
1384
00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:15,000
- This whole
1385
00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:15,000
ride-or-die mentality
1386
00:41:15,083 --> 00:41:16,583
is killing black women.
1387
00:41:16,667 --> 00:41:18,458
There's part of us that, um,
1388
00:41:16,667 --> 00:41:18,458
we're innately designed
1389
00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:21,375
to protect them because America
1390
00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:21,375
destroys our men, right?
1391
00:41:21,458 --> 00:41:22,917
So we're designed
1392
00:41:21,458 --> 00:41:22,917
to protect them
1393
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,500
from what America
1394
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,500
has historically done to them.
1395
00:41:26,583 --> 00:41:28,875
From slavery to beyond, like,
1396
00:41:26,583 --> 00:41:28,875
to Jim Crow,
1397
00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:31,000
like, we're designed
1398
00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:31,000
to innately protect them
1399
00:41:31,083 --> 00:41:33,250
'cause we know the struggle.
1400
00:41:33,333 --> 00:41:34,792
- If we go back historically,
1401
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,167
we know that one
1402
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,167
of the allegations
1403
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:40,958
that led to the lynching
1404
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:40,958
of black men
1405
00:41:41,042 --> 00:41:42,833
has been sexual assault.
1406
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:47,667
So there has developed over
1407
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:47,667
time in the black community
1408
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,625
an awareness that lynching
1409
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,625
is an expression
1410
00:41:50,708 --> 00:41:52,417
of white supremacy.
1411
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:57,375
It's a particular expression,
1412
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:57,375
the sexual projection
1413
00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:01,083
of black men
1414
00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:01,083
as being dangerous.
1415
00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:05,000
- You're worried
1416
00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:05,000
as a black woman
1417
00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:08,000
that you'll say something
1418
00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:08,000
that will have
1419
00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:11,208
consequences that you
1420
00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:11,208
hadn't anticipated.
1421
00:42:11,292 --> 00:42:13,458
Even down to just calling
1422
00:42:11,292 --> 00:42:13,458
the police.
1423
00:42:13,542 --> 00:42:17,042
- Your responsibility
1424
00:42:13,542 --> 00:42:17,042
to muffle, you know,
1425
00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:19,750
your screams is greater
1426
00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:19,750
than his responsibility
1427
00:42:19,833 --> 00:42:21,583
not to do it in the first place.
1428
00:42:21,667 --> 00:42:25,083
- It's a very, very terrible
1429
00:42:21,667 --> 00:42:25,083
burden to bear
1430
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:28,875
to know that you might still
1431
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:28,875
be judged as somehow
1432
00:42:28,958 --> 00:42:32,250
being a traitor.
1433
00:42:32,333 --> 00:42:35,583
- Are we gonna pile on?
1434
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:39,125
We're gonna add fuel
1435
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:39,125
to the fire of the myth
1436
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:43,375
of the sexually aggressive
1437
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:43,375
black man?
1438
00:42:43,458 --> 00:42:46,333
I don't wanna do that.
1439
00:42:48,375 --> 00:42:51,333
I wanted Russell
1440
00:42:48,375 --> 00:42:51,333
to be a hero too.
1441
00:42:52,667 --> 00:42:55,792
I mean, for 22 years,
1442
00:42:52,667 --> 00:42:55,792
I took it for the team.
1443
00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:57,583
Russell Simmons is the king
1444
00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:57,583
of hip-hop,
1445
00:42:57,667 --> 00:43:00,500
and I was proud of him
1446
00:42:57,667 --> 00:43:00,500
for that.
1447
00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:03,458
So I took it for the team.
1448
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:09,083
I didn't wanna let
1449
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:09,083
the culture down.
1450
00:43:11,958 --> 00:43:14,000
I love the culture.
1451
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:18,167
I loved Russell too.
1452
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:29,250
- Turn your head
1453
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:29,250
to the left for me.
1454
00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:34,292
Turn to the right.
1455
00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:51,167
I think it's important
1456
00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:51,167
that you do tell your story
1457
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:55,375
because people, like--
1458
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:55,375
little girls need it.
1459
00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:58,000
Even grown women with little
1460
00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:58,000
girls inside of them
1461
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:00,792
need it--to hear,
1462
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:00,792
like, "It wasn't just me.
1463
00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:03,000
Oh, my God, somebody else
1464
00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:03,000
went through the same thing."
1465
00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:04,208
Like...
1466
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:08,375
And you're showing, like,
1467
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:08,375
your daughter, like,
1468
00:44:08,458 --> 00:44:12,542
"Look, no matter what happens,
1469
00:44:08,458 --> 00:44:12,542
you can overcome it."
1470
00:44:15,458 --> 00:44:18,292
And really, more people
1471
00:44:15,458 --> 00:44:18,292
are abused than they talk about.
1472
00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:19,958
You know?
1473
00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:19,958
- Mm-hmm.
1474
00:44:22,458 --> 00:44:24,042
Yeah.
1475
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:33,417
♪ ♪
1476
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,583
- I grew up in a certain part
1477
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,583
of the Bronx.
1478
00:44:36,667 --> 00:44:39,750
When you used to go outside,
1479
00:44:36,667 --> 00:44:39,750
on every corner,
1480
00:44:39,833 --> 00:44:41,375
somebody was playing or rapping.
1481
00:44:41,458 --> 00:44:44,000
You have Grandmaster Flash
1482
00:44:41,458 --> 00:44:44,000
playing on one corner
1483
00:44:44,083 --> 00:44:47,125
and you could have Kool Herc
1484
00:44:44,083 --> 00:44:47,125
playing on the other.
1485
00:44:47,208 --> 00:44:50,500
It was empowering, like,
1486
00:44:47,208 --> 00:44:50,500
to hear somebody's talking
1487
00:44:50,583 --> 00:44:53,750
about where you're coming from
1488
00:44:50,583 --> 00:44:53,750
and--and actually making
1489
00:44:53,833 --> 00:44:56,583
our neighborhood
1490
00:44:53,833 --> 00:44:56,583
look fabulous, you know?
1491
00:44:56,667 --> 00:44:58,042
And me,
1492
00:44:56,667 --> 00:44:58,042
I felt important.
1493
00:44:58,125 --> 00:45:00,292
You know, when we discovered
1494
00:44:58,125 --> 00:45:00,292
hip-hop and rap,
1495
00:45:00,375 --> 00:45:02,958
that's--we went for it.
1496
00:45:03,042 --> 00:45:08,917
♪ ♪
1497
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,292
Mercedes Ladies is the first
1498
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,292
all-female DJ and rap group
1499
00:45:14,375 --> 00:45:17,167
in hip-hop history.
1500
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:19,583
We had to be tough because
1501
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:19,583
we was going against
1502
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:21,833
an all-male arena,
1503
00:45:21,917 --> 00:45:24,292
and that's how we met Russell,
1504
00:45:24,375 --> 00:45:26,917
and so I told him
1505
00:45:24,375 --> 00:45:26,917
Mercedes Ladies is looking
1506
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,625
for some serious management,
1507
00:45:28,708 --> 00:45:31,458
so he's like,
1508
00:45:28,708 --> 00:45:31,458
"Oh, yeah, I heard of y'all,
1509
00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:33,417
and I wanna get you
1510
00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:33,417
in the studio."
1511
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,708
So for three,
1512
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,708
four months straight,
1513
00:45:35,792 --> 00:45:38,125
we was just rehearsing
1514
00:45:35,792 --> 00:45:38,125
every single day.
1515
00:45:38,208 --> 00:45:40,958
He had us in there for hours,
1516
00:45:38,208 --> 00:45:40,958
and we was like,
1517
00:45:41,042 --> 00:45:43,000
"We're finally gonna get
1518
00:45:41,042 --> 00:45:43,000
our chance, you know?
1519
00:45:43,083 --> 00:45:46,625
After the hard work,
1520
00:45:43,083 --> 00:45:46,625
it's finally paying off."
1521
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,792
And then one night, he says,
1522
00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:53,667
"You wanna come see
1523
00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:53,667
my new office?"
1524
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:57,000
It was a little, small office,
1525
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:57,000
and then he's like,
1526
00:45:57,083 --> 00:45:58,458
"Sit down, sit down."
1527
00:45:58,542 --> 00:46:00,500
So then he sat down
1528
00:45:58,542 --> 00:46:00,500
next to me,
1529
00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:03,708
so I thought we was
1530
00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:03,708
gonna talk business,
1531
00:46:03,792 --> 00:46:05,833
and the next thing you know,
1532
00:46:05,917 --> 00:46:10,917
I'm pinned down to the, um--
1533
00:46:05,917 --> 00:46:10,917
the couch that he had,
1534
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,542
and I could remember
1535
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,542
I kept saying,
1536
00:46:13,625 --> 00:46:15,083
"What are you doing?
1537
00:46:13,625 --> 00:46:15,083
Like, get off of me.
1538
00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:16,458
What are you doing?"
1539
00:46:16,542 --> 00:46:21,000
So I'm trying
1540
00:46:16,542 --> 00:46:21,000
to force him off of me.
1541
00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:22,458
It happened so fast.
1542
00:46:22,542 --> 00:46:24,625
He had his pants down,
1543
00:46:22,542 --> 00:46:24,625
and it just--
1544
00:46:24,708 --> 00:46:29,583
he just took, took,
1545
00:46:24,708 --> 00:46:29,583
took what he wanted.
1546
00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:34,500
♪ ♪
1547
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:37,083
When you're raised in that
1548
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:37,083
environment in the hood,
1549
00:46:37,167 --> 00:46:41,083
everybody was taught
1550
00:46:37,167 --> 00:46:41,083
that things happened.
1551
00:46:41,167 --> 00:46:44,125
You just didn't talk about it,
1552
00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:47,583
and so I just always
1553
00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:47,583
put on this front.
1554
00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:50,375
Like, everybody always say,
1555
00:46:50,458 --> 00:46:51,917
um, "Sheri, how you doing?"
1556
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,750
And this is me,
1557
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,750
always with a smile.
1558
00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:55,208
"Oh, I'm okay.
1559
00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:55,208
I'm okay,"
1560
00:46:55,292 --> 00:46:57,875
and then I, um,
1561
00:46:55,292 --> 00:46:57,875
finally realized,
1562
00:46:57,958 --> 00:47:00,833
all these years,
1563
00:46:57,958 --> 00:47:00,833
I wasn't okay.
1564
00:47:00,917 --> 00:47:02,917
I wasn't okay,
1565
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,750
but I'm taking more control
1566
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,750
of myself now
1567
00:47:09,833 --> 00:47:12,417
and forgiving myself
1568
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,833
and--and starting to know
1569
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,833
who my--my worth is
1570
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,542
and not--my worth is not based
1571
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,542
on things I've been in life
1572
00:47:19,625 --> 00:47:22,125
and all the unfairness
1573
00:47:19,625 --> 00:47:22,125
that was done to me in life.
1574
00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:25,875
My--my worth is based on that
1575
00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:25,875
I got through these things
1576
00:47:25,958 --> 00:47:28,708
and I'm still standing.
1577
00:47:28,792 --> 00:47:35,958
♪ ♪
1578
00:47:43,167 --> 00:47:45,250
- It was in '94.
1579
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:50,083
I was modeling.
1580
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:50,083
I was living in Europe.
1581
00:47:50,167 --> 00:47:53,750
I was in Italy working,
1582
00:47:53,833 --> 00:47:59,167
and I came back because I--
1583
00:47:53,833 --> 00:47:59,167
there was some personal drama
1584
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:02,750
that I was going through,
1585
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:02,750
and I reached out to Russell
1586
00:48:02,833 --> 00:48:04,583
'cause we had stayed friendly.
1587
00:48:04,667 --> 00:48:08,125
We hadn't had any type of
1588
00:48:04,667 --> 00:48:08,125
physical sexual relationship
1589
00:48:08,208 --> 00:48:10,500
in close to two years,
1590
00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,042
and it was really odd.
1591
00:48:12,125 --> 00:48:15,000
I remember he was
1592
00:48:12,125 --> 00:48:15,000
drinking Pellegrino,
1593
00:48:15,083 --> 00:48:17,292
and I was like,
1594
00:48:15,083 --> 00:48:17,292
"You're not gonna have a drink?"
1595
00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:20,000
'Cause we used
1596
00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:20,000
to party hard together.
1597
00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:22,583
And he said--he said,
1598
00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:22,583
"No, I'm not drinking.
1599
00:48:22,667 --> 00:48:25,458
I quit drinking."
1600
00:48:22,667 --> 00:48:25,458
I said, "Okay."
1601
00:48:25,542 --> 00:48:27,750
You know, he was--
1602
00:48:25,542 --> 00:48:27,750
he was coming on to me.
1603
00:48:27,833 --> 00:48:30,750
He said something,
1604
00:48:27,833 --> 00:48:30,750
and I told him, I said,
1605
00:48:30,833 --> 00:48:32,708
"Russell, I've got
1606
00:48:30,833 --> 00:48:32,708
a boyfriend,
1607
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:39,208
and I'm really happy,
1608
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:39,208
and that's not happening."
1609
00:48:40,583 --> 00:48:45,625
And--and he grabbed my hands
1610
00:48:40,583 --> 00:48:45,625
and he said, "Sil Lai,
1611
00:48:45,708 --> 00:48:47,500
we are friends."
1612
00:48:47,583 --> 00:48:49,333
He said, "That's your pussy,
1613
00:48:49,417 --> 00:48:53,250
"and I would never
1614
00:48:49,417 --> 00:48:53,250
take anything from you
1615
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:56,500
that you didn't give me."
1616
00:48:56,583 --> 00:49:00,042
And at a certain point,
1617
00:48:56,583 --> 00:49:00,042
I said to him,
1618
00:49:00,125 --> 00:49:01,500
"I wanna go home,"
1619
00:49:01,583 --> 00:49:03,250
but instead of taking me
1620
00:49:03,333 --> 00:49:05,292
to my girlfriend's place,
1621
00:49:05,375 --> 00:49:07,500
he took me to his place.
1622
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:11,500
I figured I would just crash
1623
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:11,500
like I'd crashed
1624
00:49:11,583 --> 00:49:14,917
at other friends' houses.
1625
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,167
I remember I came upstairs
1626
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:20,000
and I passed out
1627
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:20,000
on--on his bed
1628
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:21,292
and I heard some noise.
1629
00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:23,500
I think he had gone
1630
00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:23,500
to take a shower,
1631
00:49:23,583 --> 00:49:29,708
and he--and I opened my eyes
1632
00:49:23,583 --> 00:49:29,708
and he is walking towards me
1633
00:49:29,792 --> 00:49:33,875
and he's naked except
1634
00:49:29,792 --> 00:49:33,875
he's wearing a condom.
1635
00:49:35,958 --> 00:49:39,583
I kept on saying,
1636
00:49:35,958 --> 00:49:39,583
"No, no, no,"
1637
00:49:39,667 --> 00:49:41,208
and--and I remember thinking,
1638
00:49:41,292 --> 00:49:43,917
"My boyfriend, my boyfriend,
1639
00:49:41,292 --> 00:49:43,917
my boyfriend."
1640
00:49:47,125 --> 00:49:50,333
And then he raped me,
1641
00:49:50,417 --> 00:49:52,750
and I couldn't fight.
1642
00:49:52,833 --> 00:49:56,250
I couldn't do anything.
1643
00:49:52,833 --> 00:49:56,250
I just lay there.
1644
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:01,417
And then when it was over,
1645
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:02,750
I remember he just said,
1646
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:05,042
"Okay, well,
1647
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:05,042
you know,
1648
00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:08,208
I'm gonna have Kenny
1649
00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:08,208
take you home,"
1650
00:50:08,292 --> 00:50:12,875
and I get dropped off
1651
00:50:08,292 --> 00:50:12,875
and I go upstairs
1652
00:50:12,958 --> 00:50:17,417
and I--I freaked.
1653
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,583
I freaked out.
1654
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,583
I...
1655
00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:28,375
I--I mean, I just--
1656
00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:28,375
I was so angry
1657
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:30,833
and I was so filled
1658
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:30,833
with self-loathing
1659
00:50:30,917 --> 00:50:33,417
and I was so filled
1660
00:50:30,917 --> 00:50:33,417
with guilt...
1661
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:41,250
And rage, just rage
1662
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:41,250
over what he had done,
1663
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:46,458
and so I swallowed--
1664
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:46,458
I believe it was 18
1665
00:50:46,542 --> 00:50:47,792
prescription sleeping pills.
1666
00:50:47,875 --> 00:50:49,583
These things were lethal,
1667
00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:52,083
and I kissed my son good-bye.
1668
00:50:53,875 --> 00:50:57,542
I just remember looking at him
1669
00:50:53,875 --> 00:50:57,542
and seeing how--
1670
00:50:57,625 --> 00:51:01,208
how beautiful
1671
00:50:57,625 --> 00:51:01,208
and how pure he was.
1672
00:51:02,333 --> 00:51:05,750
I mean, he really was
1673
00:51:02,333 --> 00:51:05,750
such a beautiful child,
1674
00:51:05,833 --> 00:51:07,167
and, um...
1675
00:51:09,083 --> 00:51:11,625
I was like,
1676
00:51:09,083 --> 00:51:11,625
"Your mother's a failure."
1677
00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,458
"She can't do anything right,
1678
00:51:15,542 --> 00:51:18,042
and nobody treats her
1679
00:51:15,542 --> 00:51:18,042
like a human being."
1680
00:51:20,208 --> 00:51:21,625
"You're just a fuck toy.
1681
00:51:21,708 --> 00:51:24,667
You're a chew toy
1682
00:51:21,708 --> 00:51:24,667
for men of power."
1683
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:27,542
"This is your life."
1684
00:51:28,792 --> 00:51:32,417
"How are you going to be able
1685
00:51:28,792 --> 00:51:32,417
to give him anything?
1686
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:34,917
How are you gonna be able
1687
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:34,917
to be there?"
1688
00:51:38,208 --> 00:51:39,500
And I said--
1689
00:51:38,208 --> 00:51:39,500
you know,
1690
00:51:39,583 --> 00:51:41,375
my girlfriend
1691
00:51:39,583 --> 00:51:41,375
that I was staying with,
1692
00:51:41,458 --> 00:51:43,583
she was older--
1693
00:51:41,458 --> 00:51:43,583
20 years older than me.
1694
00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,958
She was very responsible,
1695
00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,958
and I said,
1696
00:51:47,042 --> 00:51:49,500
"Carol's gonna be
1697
00:51:47,042 --> 00:51:49,500
your mommy now."
1698
00:51:52,417 --> 00:51:55,875
Eventually I get taken
1699
00:51:52,417 --> 00:51:55,875
to the hospital.
1700
00:51:55,958 --> 00:51:57,458
It's too late to pump
1701
00:51:55,958 --> 00:51:57,458
my stomach.
1702
00:51:57,542 --> 00:51:59,833
They give me
1703
00:51:57,542 --> 00:51:59,833
activated charcoal,
1704
00:51:59,917 --> 00:52:01,792
and it was touch-and-go.
1705
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,708
The doctors said that
1706
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,708
had I gotten there 20,
1707
00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,583
25 minutes later,
1708
00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,583
I would have been dead.
1709
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:14,292
It's definitely the low point
1710
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:14,292
of my life,
1711
00:52:14,375 --> 00:52:20,125
and it caverned me,
1712
00:52:20,208 --> 00:52:21,917
and I left fashion.
1713
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,542
I didn't wanna do anything
1714
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,542
where I would see people
1715
00:52:27,625 --> 00:52:31,208
who were adjacent to this man.
1716
00:52:31,292 --> 00:52:34,625
Russell was everywhere
1717
00:52:31,292 --> 00:52:34,625
I looked.
1718
00:52:34,708 --> 00:52:37,042
- ♪ Now you tell me
1719
00:52:34,708 --> 00:52:37,042
who the fuck is winning ♪
1720
00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:40,042
♪ I'm on my Russell Simmons,
1721
00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:40,042
Nicki denim, Nicki linen ♪
1722
00:52:40,125 --> 00:52:41,917
- Our special guest
1723
00:52:40,125 --> 00:52:41,917
Russell Simmons,
1724
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,667
a man who needs no introduction.
1725
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:46,750
- He was named one of the top 25
1726
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:46,750
most influential people.
1727
00:52:46,833 --> 00:52:49,042
- The one and only,
1728
00:52:46,833 --> 00:52:49,042
the godfather of hip-hop,
1729
00:52:49,125 --> 00:52:51,917
Russell Simmons is in the house.
1730
00:52:49,125 --> 00:52:51,917
- Oh, man.
1731
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,458
- Russell Simmons went on
1732
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,458
to create clothing lines,
1733
00:52:54,542 --> 00:52:55,917
"Def Comedy Jam" on HBO,
1734
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,958
and "Def Poetry Jam"
1735
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,958
on Broadway.
1736
00:52:58,042 --> 00:52:59,625
- Russell Simmons
1737
00:52:58,042 --> 00:52:59,625
is one of the wealthiest
1738
00:52:59,708 --> 00:53:01,000
entrepreneurs in the world.
1739
00:53:01,083 --> 00:53:02,167
- He later sold his stake
1740
00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:04,417
in Def Jam for $100 million.
1741
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- ♪ Who's the animal
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invented lower living ♪
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00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:09,000
♪ The projects thank God
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00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:09,000
for Russell Simmons ♪
1745
00:53:09,083 --> 00:53:10,750
- A pioneering philanthropist
1746
00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,417
who's also a "New York Times"
1747
00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,417
best-selling author.
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00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:13,625
- He describes the journey
1749
00:53:13,708 --> 00:53:15,458
in his new book, "Super Rich."
1750
00:53:15,542 --> 00:53:17,833
- He's out with a new book,
1751
00:53:15,542 --> 00:53:17,833
"Success Through Stillness."
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00:53:17,917 --> 00:53:19,542
- This whole idea
1753
00:53:17,917 --> 00:53:19,542
of being selfless
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00:53:19,625 --> 00:53:21,250
and giving all this effort
1755
00:53:19,625 --> 00:53:21,250
to the world
1756
00:53:21,333 --> 00:53:22,792
but not taking care of yourself,
1757
00:53:22,875 --> 00:53:24,292
you're not as good a servant,
1758
00:53:24,375 --> 00:53:25,958
so you have to take care
1759
00:53:24,375 --> 00:53:25,958
of yourself.
1760
00:53:26,042 --> 00:53:28,542
- You know him
1761
00:53:26,042 --> 00:53:28,542
as the godfather of hip-hop.
1762
00:53:28,625 --> 00:53:30,917
- Russell Simmons!
1763
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,458
- Thank you so much.
1764
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,458
Thank you.
1765
00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:33,917
I love you.
1766
00:53:36,167 --> 00:53:41,333
- I told a few friends about
1767
00:53:36,167 --> 00:53:41,333
what happened with Russell,
1768
00:53:41,417 --> 00:53:44,042
but I didn't tell
1769
00:53:41,417 --> 00:53:44,042
that many people.
1770
00:53:45,708 --> 00:53:47,458
I just wanted
1771
00:53:45,708 --> 00:53:47,458
to put it behind me.
1772
00:53:49,292 --> 00:53:52,333
Even in that dark shame,
1773
00:53:52,417 --> 00:53:54,250
I just wanted to make records.
1774
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:57,583
Once I decided, okay,
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00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:57,583
I have something to offer,
1776
00:53:57,667 --> 00:54:00,625
well, let me try again.
1777
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:06,292
And then finally I met Clive,
1778
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:06,292
and I loved Clive.
1779
00:54:06,375 --> 00:54:08,958
He was a music man.
1780
00:54:09,042 --> 00:54:11,208
So I started working
1781
00:54:09,042 --> 00:54:11,208
for Clive Davis
1782
00:54:11,292 --> 00:54:15,833
at Arista Records
1783
00:54:11,292 --> 00:54:15,833
in May of 1996,
1784
00:54:15,917 --> 00:54:17,625
and I was back.
1785
00:54:17,708 --> 00:54:19,750
I had a run of phenomenal hits.
1786
00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:22,708
- ♪ A rose is still a rose ♪
1787
00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:24,917
- Lauryn Hill gave me
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00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:24,917
"A Rose Is Still a Rose"
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00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,083
for Aretha.
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00:54:26,167 --> 00:54:28,542
- ♪ Your love is my love ♪
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00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:31,292
- Wyclef gave me "My Love
1792
00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:31,292
is Your Love" for Whitney.
1793
00:54:31,375 --> 00:54:32,792
So I worked closely
1794
00:54:31,375 --> 00:54:32,792
with the artists
1795
00:54:32,875 --> 00:54:34,500
who made the Album of the Year
1796
00:54:34,583 --> 00:54:35,667
two years in a row.
1797
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:36,917
Lauryn one year...
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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,833
- "The Miseducation
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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,833
of Lauryn Hill,"
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00:54:38,917 --> 00:54:41,375
Lauryn Hill.
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00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:43,833
- Carlos Santana
1802
00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:43,833
the next year.
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00:54:46,917 --> 00:54:48,917
♪ ♪
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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,292
- And I was good.
1805
00:54:50,375 --> 00:54:51,917
I had a hot hand,
1806
00:54:50,375 --> 00:54:51,917
and I was back.
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00:54:55,417 --> 00:54:57,917
♪ ♪
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00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,792
And then in 2000,
1809
00:54:59,875 --> 00:55:05,125
L.A. Reid replaced Clive Davis
1810
00:54:59,875 --> 00:55:05,125
as my boss at Arista Records.
1811
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L.A. Reid is one
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00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:09,375
of the most important
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00:55:09,458 --> 00:55:11,208
black music producers
1814
00:55:11,292 --> 00:55:15,833
and black record executives
1815
00:55:11,292 --> 00:55:15,833
really of the past 20 years.
1816
00:55:15,917 --> 00:55:18,750
He discovered TLC,
1817
00:55:15,917 --> 00:55:18,750
Toni Braxton,
1818
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Usher,
1819
00:55:18,833 --> 00:55:21,042
Outkast,
1820
00:55:21,125 --> 00:55:23,292
and I really admired him.
1821
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,792
And then when I worked
1822
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,792
with him,
1823
00:55:25,875 --> 00:55:27,375
all of a sudden,
1824
00:55:25,875 --> 00:55:27,375
it just changed.
1825
00:55:27,458 --> 00:55:30,042
It became,
1826
00:55:27,458 --> 00:55:30,042
"Meet me at the Four Seasons
1827
00:55:30,125 --> 00:55:32,417
when you leave the studio."
1828
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:36,708
And so I felt like,
1829
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:36,708
"Okay,
1830
00:55:36,792 --> 00:55:39,333
"maybe I can just
1831
00:55:36,792 --> 00:55:39,333
sort of be flirtatious
1832
00:55:39,417 --> 00:55:42,208
"and play along and,
1833
00:55:39,417 --> 00:55:42,208
you know,
1834
00:55:42,292 --> 00:55:44,667
he can play with my hair
1835
00:55:42,292 --> 00:55:44,667
in the back of the car,"
1836
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:50,875
and--and then you realize
1837
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:50,875
this is gonna end one way.
1838
00:55:50,958 --> 00:55:54,792
He wants me to come to the hotel
1839
00:55:50,958 --> 00:55:54,792
with him and listen to music
1840
00:55:54,875 --> 00:55:56,250
and I just keep not going,
1841
00:55:56,333 --> 00:55:59,167
and he gets meaner and meaner
1842
00:55:56,333 --> 00:55:59,167
and meaner,
1843
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:03,167
and there are more and more
1844
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:03,167
professional consequences.
1845
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:06,000
I auditioned Kanye West,
1846
00:56:06,083 --> 00:56:08,417
and not only did
1847
00:56:06,083 --> 00:56:08,417
he pass on Kanye.
1848
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,875
L.A. Reid dressed me down
1849
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,875
in front
1850
00:56:10,958 --> 00:56:12,792
of the entire A&R department.
1851
00:56:12,875 --> 00:56:14,042
"Drew, this was not only
1852
00:56:12,875 --> 00:56:14,042
a pass.
1853
00:56:14,125 --> 00:56:15,875
This was a waste of my time."
1854
00:56:17,333 --> 00:56:18,583
And I remember after, like,
1855
00:56:18,667 --> 00:56:20,917
a 45-minute
1856
00:56:18,667 --> 00:56:20,917
dressing down, saying,
1857
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,417
"Kanye's still
1858
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,417
in the waiting area.
1859
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,167
"Can I just go tell him?
1860
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:26,250
'Cause he's waiting."
1861
00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:28,292
And I remember I brought Kanye
1862
00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:28,292
into my office.
1863
00:56:28,375 --> 00:56:30,125
He had tears in his eyes.
1864
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,875
I was like,
1865
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,875
"Let me tell you something.
1866
00:56:31,958 --> 00:56:35,083
"You're gonna get a deal
1867
00:56:31,958 --> 00:56:35,083
You're gonna win Grammys.
1868
00:56:35,167 --> 00:56:36,625
"You're gonna look back
1869
00:56:35,167 --> 00:56:36,625
on this.
1870
00:56:36,708 --> 00:56:38,167
"You're gonna laugh.
1871
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:40,167
Promise you."
1872
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:43,042
John Legend was the last
1873
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:43,042
artist I tried to sign
1874
00:56:43,125 --> 00:56:45,000
back when he was
1875
00:56:43,125 --> 00:56:45,000
John Stephens.
1876
00:56:45,083 --> 00:56:47,625
I scheduled an audition
1877
00:56:45,083 --> 00:56:47,625
for him with L.A.,
1878
00:56:47,708 --> 00:56:50,167
and he was really excited.
1879
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:53,250
We even booked a concert space
1880
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:53,250
two days before
1881
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,708
so that he could rehearse
1882
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,708
with his band,
1883
00:56:56,792 --> 00:56:59,958
and then L.A. told me
1884
00:56:56,792 --> 00:56:59,958
he didn't wanna go,
1885
00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:02,917
and he told his senior staff
1886
00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:02,917
not to go.
1887
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,458
He passed on him.
1888
00:57:04,542 --> 00:57:05,958
He just passed.
1889
00:57:06,042 --> 00:57:08,583
So I walked in all alone
1890
00:57:06,042 --> 00:57:08,583
and watched John perform
1891
00:57:08,667 --> 00:57:11,167
with his band
1892
00:57:08,667 --> 00:57:11,167
in the folding chairs.
1893
00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:14,167
I was the only one there.
1894
00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:16,500
I had to tell John,
1895
00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:16,500
"I can't sign you.
1896
00:57:16,583 --> 00:57:18,333
I'm so sorry."
1897
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:26,083
Unless I sleep with L.A. Reid
1898
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:26,083
as a quid pro quo,
1899
00:57:26,167 --> 00:57:30,750
not because I like him but
1900
00:57:26,167 --> 00:57:30,750
literally as a quid pro quo,
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00:57:30,833 --> 00:57:32,667
I am doomed.
1902
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:34,667
I mean, I can't get
1903
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:34,667
John Legend
1904
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:36,000
or Kanye West signed?
1905
00:57:36,083 --> 00:57:38,542
I mean, I'm dead
1906
00:57:36,083 --> 00:57:38,542
in the water now.
1907
00:57:41,375 --> 00:57:44,167
So I give up.
1908
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,500
I give up.
1909
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,500
I give up.
1910
00:57:49,958 --> 00:57:52,917
After a decade of working
1911
00:57:49,958 --> 00:57:52,917
my way up from the bottom
1912
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,583
of my industry,
1913
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,583
I just quit.
1914
00:57:59,458 --> 00:58:03,375
I also completely and utterly
1915
00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:07,958
cut myself off from the parts
1916
00:58:08,042 --> 00:58:10,917
of myself that I love the most:
1917
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,583
my creativity,
1918
00:58:14,667 --> 00:58:16,375
music.
1919
00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:20,208
I mean, I don't listen to any
1920
00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:20,208
of the songs that I made.
1921
00:58:20,292 --> 00:58:22,625
I don't listen to them.
1922
00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:24,750
I just--
1923
00:58:24,833 --> 00:58:30,792
I tried to bury that part
1924
00:58:24,833 --> 00:58:30,792
of myself in, like, a manhole.
1925
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,208
And I just tried
1926
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,208
to become cerebral
1927
00:58:36,292 --> 00:58:38,792
and steady.
1928
00:58:39,833 --> 00:58:41,250
So I thought,
1929
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:44,667
"I'm going to Harvard
1930
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:44,667
Business School."
1931
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:49,000
I ran away from anything that
1932
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:49,000
might even get anywhere near
1933
00:58:49,083 --> 00:58:50,583
that pain
1934
00:58:49,083 --> 00:58:50,583
and I turned around
1935
00:58:50,667 --> 00:58:53,292
and I scorched the earth
1936
00:58:50,667 --> 00:58:53,292
so I would never,
1937
00:58:53,375 --> 00:58:55,625
ever have the option
1938
00:58:53,375 --> 00:58:55,625
of going back.
1939
00:58:55,708 --> 00:59:01,625
♪ ♪
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00:59:01,708 --> 00:59:07,792
What I'm grateful for is that
1941
00:59:01,708 --> 00:59:07,792
I met my husband there
1942
00:59:07,875 --> 00:59:10,167
and we got married and had the
1943
00:59:07,875 --> 00:59:10,167
two most wonderful children
1944
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:13,792
on the Earth,
1945
00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:17,292
and I really did wanna be able
1946
00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:17,292
to be the person
1947
00:59:17,375 --> 00:59:22,542
that absolutely covered them
1948
00:59:17,375 --> 00:59:22,542
365 days a year,
1949
00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:27,083
but there was a part of me
1950
00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:27,083
that was sleepwalking.
1951
00:59:27,167 --> 00:59:30,333
You know, I just ran away
1952
00:59:27,167 --> 00:59:30,333
from my dream,
1953
00:59:30,417 --> 00:59:31,958
from my passion.
1954
00:59:32,042 --> 00:59:34,792
♪ ♪
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00:59:41,375 --> 00:59:43,958
- Let's get started
1956
00:59:41,375 --> 00:59:43,958
with breaking news.
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00:59:44,042 --> 00:59:45,917
Allegations
1958
00:59:44,042 --> 00:59:45,917
of sexual harassment
1959
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,333
are rocking
1960
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,333
another media mogul.
1961
00:59:48,417 --> 00:59:50,292
This time,
1962
00:59:48,417 --> 00:59:50,292
it's Russell Simmons.
1963
00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:52,125
In a scathing letter
1964
00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:52,125
to Simmons
1965
00:59:52,208 --> 00:59:54,208
published today
1966
00:59:52,208 --> 00:59:54,208
by "The Hollywood Reporter,"
1967
00:59:54,292 --> 00:59:57,833
screenwriter Jenny Lumet
1968
00:59:54,292 --> 00:59:57,833
alleges Simmons forced her
1969
00:59:57,917 --> 01:00:00,375
to have sex with him
1970
00:59:57,917 --> 01:00:00,375
back in 1991.
1971
01:00:00,458 --> 01:00:03,333
She writes in very graphic
1972
01:00:00,458 --> 01:00:03,333
and disturbing detail...
1973
01:00:03,417 --> 01:00:06,500
- There were three things
1974
01:00:03,417 --> 01:00:06,500
that pushed me over the edge:
1975
01:00:06,583 --> 01:00:09,375
Jenny Lumet's piece--
1976
01:00:09,458 --> 01:00:11,167
first of all,
1977
01:00:09,458 --> 01:00:11,167
she's a black woman
1978
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:13,333
putting herself out there.
1979
01:00:13,417 --> 01:00:14,708
She specifically said,
1980
01:00:14,792 --> 01:00:18,708
"When I read
1981
01:00:14,792 --> 01:00:18,708
Keri Claussen's account
1982
01:00:18,792 --> 01:00:21,000
"and he called her a liar,
1983
01:00:18,792 --> 01:00:21,000
I couldn't let her twist
1984
01:00:21,083 --> 01:00:23,750
in the wind knowing
1985
01:00:21,083 --> 01:00:23,750
what I know,"
1986
01:00:23,833 --> 01:00:25,917
and I remember thinking,
1987
01:00:23,833 --> 01:00:25,917
"Well,
1988
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,792
"I can't let Jenny twist
1989
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,792
in the wind.
1990
01:00:27,875 --> 01:00:29,250
"I mean,
1991
01:00:27,875 --> 01:00:29,250
I don't know her,
1992
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:32,958
but I can't let her twist
1993
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:32,958
in the wind."
1994
01:00:33,917 --> 01:00:36,000
The other thing
1995
01:00:33,917 --> 01:00:36,000
was Beverly Young.
1996
01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:38,083
She was one
1997
01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:38,083
of the Roy Moore accusers,
1998
01:00:38,167 --> 01:00:40,542
and she was crying on TV
1999
01:00:38,167 --> 01:00:40,542
about him assaulting her
2000
01:00:40,625 --> 01:00:43,250
when she was
2001
01:00:40,625 --> 01:00:43,250
a 16-year-old waitress.
2002
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:47,542
- Mr. Moore reached over
2003
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:47,542
and began groping me
2004
01:00:47,625 --> 01:00:50,292
and putting his hands
2005
01:00:47,625 --> 01:00:50,292
on my breasts.
2006
01:00:50,375 --> 01:00:51,833
Instead of stopping,
2007
01:00:51,917 --> 01:00:53,708
he began squeezing my neck,
2008
01:00:53,792 --> 01:00:58,042
attempting to force my head
2009
01:00:53,792 --> 01:00:58,042
onto his crotch.
2010
01:00:58,125 --> 01:01:00,042
- I saw her on TV crying,
2011
01:00:58,125 --> 01:01:00,042
and I thought,
2012
01:01:00,125 --> 01:01:01,833
this is her hometown.
2013
01:01:00,125 --> 01:01:01,833
She's in her 60s.
2014
01:01:01,917 --> 01:01:03,208
These are the--these are
2015
01:01:01,917 --> 01:01:03,208
the only people
2016
01:01:03,292 --> 01:01:04,958
she's ever known,
2017
01:01:03,292 --> 01:01:04,958
and she's standing
2018
01:01:05,042 --> 01:01:07,583
in her hometown where she will
2019
01:01:05,042 --> 01:01:07,583
spend the rest of her life,
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01:01:07,667 --> 01:01:12,208
in all likelihood,
2021
01:01:07,667 --> 01:01:12,208
putting it all on the line
2022
01:01:12,292 --> 01:01:15,625
and being called a liar.
2023
01:01:12,292 --> 01:01:15,625
That's brave.
2024
01:01:17,667 --> 01:01:19,208
And then the other thing
2025
01:01:17,667 --> 01:01:19,208
that did it,
2026
01:01:19,292 --> 01:01:21,583
I read Harold Perrineau's
2027
01:01:19,292 --> 01:01:21,583
statement
2028
01:01:21,667 --> 01:01:24,167
about his daughter Aurora,
2029
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:25,917
and he said he was terrified
2030
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,750
when she decided
2031
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,750
to come forward,
2032
01:01:27,833 --> 01:01:30,167
but he said he looked at her
2033
01:01:27,833 --> 01:01:30,167
the other day and realized,
2034
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,750
"My daughter's not
2035
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,750
a victim anymore.
2036
01:01:31,833 --> 01:01:34,750
She's a warrior."
2037
01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:38,125
And I thought,
2038
01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:38,125
"I'd like to be a warrior.
2039
01:01:38,208 --> 01:01:40,667
"I'm tired of being a victim.
2040
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:44,958
"I've been a victim
2041
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:44,958
for 22 years.
2042
01:01:45,042 --> 01:01:47,333
"Let me see what
2043
01:01:45,042 --> 01:01:47,333
the other thing feels like.
2044
01:01:47,417 --> 01:01:50,167
Can't be worse."
2045
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,417
And that's when I said,
2046
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,417
"Okay,
2047
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,208
I will go on the record."
2048
01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:10,708
- Hey, Joe,
2049
01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:10,708
it's Drew.
2050
01:02:10,792 --> 01:02:13,667
Just out of curiosity,
2051
01:02:10,792 --> 01:02:13,667
in any of the other cases,
2052
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:17,000
have the sources
2053
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:17,000
been contacted?
2054
01:02:17,083 --> 01:02:18,625
So I can literally say,
2055
01:02:18,708 --> 01:02:21,167
"If you wanna talk to somebody,
2056
01:02:18,708 --> 01:02:21,167
if you wanna comment,
2057
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:23,000
you can speak
2058
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:23,000
to the reporters"?
2059
01:02:23,083 --> 01:02:25,708
You're saying that to say that
2060
01:02:23,083 --> 01:02:25,708
his lawyers would tell him
2061
01:02:25,792 --> 01:02:28,833
not to call me?
2062
01:02:25,792 --> 01:02:28,833
Right?
2063
01:02:28,917 --> 01:02:30,958
Okay, are you only reaching out
2064
01:02:28,917 --> 01:02:30,958
to Russell,
2065
01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:33,250
or are you also reaching out
2066
01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:33,250
to L.A.?
2067
01:02:34,875 --> 01:02:36,500
So he isn't--
2068
01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,625
So they're both in the story?
2069
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:44,875
Okay.
2070
01:02:48,833 --> 01:02:53,042
They are both going to find out
2071
01:02:48,833 --> 01:02:53,042
that they're in the story
2072
01:02:53,125 --> 01:02:57,375
either tonight
2073
01:02:53,125 --> 01:02:57,375
or tomorrow morning,
2074
01:02:57,458 --> 01:03:00,042
and they will know that they
2075
01:02:57,458 --> 01:03:00,042
are in the story
2076
01:03:00,125 --> 01:03:03,500
and that I named them.
2077
01:03:03,583 --> 01:03:05,042
- From recent searches,
2078
01:03:05,125 --> 01:03:08,542
and this is a search
2079
01:03:05,125 --> 01:03:08,542
of information about,
2080
01:03:08,625 --> 01:03:10,167
uh, the United States
2081
01:03:08,625 --> 01:03:10,167
proceeding?
2082
01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:12,167
- Well, it's, uh--
2083
01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:12,167
it's a query.
2084
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:14,042
- The White House
2085
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:14,042
and President Trump's
2086
01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:16,042
private attorneys
2087
01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:16,042
will go over the part...
2088
01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:20,792
♪ ♪
2089
01:03:23,292 --> 01:03:25,167
- Joe texted me.
2090
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:28,083
They have Russell's
2091
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:28,083
lawyer's response.
2092
01:03:28,167 --> 01:03:32,583
He admits harassing me.
2093
01:03:28,167 --> 01:03:32,583
He denies sex.
2094
01:03:32,667 --> 01:03:35,208
He says we made out a few times,
2095
01:03:35,292 --> 01:03:40,125
and he, uh--the "Times"
2096
01:03:35,292 --> 01:03:40,125
will call me once they talk
2097
01:03:40,208 --> 01:03:42,125
to their lawyer.
2098
01:03:42,208 --> 01:03:45,625
♪ ♪
2099
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,125
Wow.
2100
01:03:57,167 --> 01:04:00,250
If locking someone
2101
01:03:57,167 --> 01:04:00,250
in their office
2102
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:03,208
and pulling your penis out
2103
01:04:03,292 --> 01:04:06,042
and making out with them
2104
01:04:03,292 --> 01:04:06,042
in a tiny space
2105
01:04:06,125 --> 01:04:08,167
where they can't escape
2106
01:04:06,125 --> 01:04:08,167
is making out a few times,
2107
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:13,542
then that's an interesting way
2108
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:13,542
to describe it.
2109
01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:28,083
Can't do that right now.
2110
01:04:40,875 --> 01:04:42,417
I don't think
2111
01:04:40,875 --> 01:04:42,417
I should call anybody.
2112
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,125
I don't wanna, like,
2113
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,125
rope anybody into my, like,
2114
01:04:45,208 --> 01:04:47,625
mania right now.
2115
01:04:47,708 --> 01:04:50,417
I'll just wait for them
2116
01:04:47,708 --> 01:04:50,417
to call me back.
2117
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:57,667
♪ ♪
2118
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,875
♪ ♪
2119
01:05:27,958 --> 01:05:29,250
Hi.
2120
01:05:27,958 --> 01:05:29,250
Just the paper.
2121
01:05:29,333 --> 01:05:31,417
- Do you need a bag?
2122
01:05:29,333 --> 01:05:31,417
- Uh, no, thanks.
2123
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:35,125
$2.50.
2124
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:35,125
I'll just do the $20.
2125
01:05:35,208 --> 01:05:42,375
♪ ♪
2126
01:06:37,417 --> 01:06:44,583
♪ ♪
2127
01:06:58,833 --> 01:07:01,583
- Russell Simmons is strongly
2128
01:06:58,833 --> 01:07:01,583
denying new accusations
2129
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:03,792
that he raped three women
2130
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:03,792
decades ago.
2131
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:06,500
All three women say
2132
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:06,500
their music industry careers
2133
01:07:06,583 --> 01:07:08,208
were derailed or ruined.
2134
01:07:08,292 --> 01:07:11,667
Simmons says he categorically
2135
01:07:08,292 --> 01:07:11,667
rejects the allegations.
2136
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:13,750
- In extensive reports
2137
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:13,750
in the "LA Times"
2138
01:07:13,833 --> 01:07:14,917
and "New York Times,"
2139
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,750
nine more women accuse Simmons
2140
01:07:16,833 --> 01:07:20,208
of a wide range of misconduct.
2141
01:07:20,292 --> 01:07:21,917
- Russell invited me out.
2142
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Um, he wanted me
2143
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000
to see his new apartment.
2144
01:07:25,083 --> 01:07:26,292
- I felt really safe with him,
2145
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:28,625
and I don't think
2146
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:28,625
we were comrades,
2147
01:07:28,708 --> 01:07:31,458
but I felt like we were,
2148
01:07:28,708 --> 01:07:31,458
I mean, peer--
2149
01:07:31,542 --> 01:07:32,750
like, hangout peers.
2150
01:07:32,833 --> 01:07:34,750
- And we talked a lot
2151
01:07:32,833 --> 01:07:34,750
about yoga.
2152
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,250
We talked a lot
2153
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,250
about spirituality.
2154
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:39,250
- And he said, "Well, why don't
2155
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:39,250
we go back to my apartment
2156
01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,667
and we can talk there?"
2157
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:46,583
- And suddenly here I am
2158
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:46,583
and he has pinned me.
2159
01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:50,542
- It was just so out
2160
01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:50,542
of left field.
2161
01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:52,833
I remember being really shocked
2162
01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:52,833
to the point where I--
2163
01:07:52,917 --> 01:07:54,333
I thought it was a joke.
2164
01:07:54,417 --> 01:07:58,958
- And I was absolutely shocked
2165
01:07:54,417 --> 01:07:58,958
and taken aback
2166
01:07:59,042 --> 01:08:00,375
and I froze.
2167
01:08:00,458 --> 01:08:03,708
- He pushed me into the door--
2168
01:08:03,792 --> 01:08:04,958
in through the door
2169
01:08:05,042 --> 01:08:06,875
and pushed me down
2170
01:08:05,042 --> 01:08:06,875
on the ground.
2171
01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:09,250
- I remember fighting it,
2172
01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:09,250
fighting on the bed,
2173
01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:11,750
because I didn't want
2174
01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:11,750
his penis in me.
2175
01:08:11,833 --> 01:08:17,083
- He puts his knees on my legs
2176
01:08:11,833 --> 01:08:17,083
and pins my hands down.
2177
01:08:17,167 --> 01:08:19,000
- I think of it akin
2178
01:08:17,167 --> 01:08:19,000
to that feeling
2179
01:08:19,083 --> 01:08:23,000
that must happen when you think
2180
01:08:19,083 --> 01:08:23,000
that you're on a plane
2181
01:08:23,083 --> 01:08:24,500
and it starts to go down.
2182
01:08:24,583 --> 01:08:26,375
That, "No, no, no,
2183
01:08:24,583 --> 01:08:26,375
this isn't happening."
2184
01:08:26,458 --> 01:08:31,375
- That anybody could so swiftly
2185
01:08:31,458 --> 01:08:36,208
and forcibly penetrate me...
2186
01:08:37,583 --> 01:08:38,792
Um...
2187
01:08:39,875 --> 01:08:42,833
While--actually while
2188
01:08:39,875 --> 01:08:42,833
I'm saying no.
2189
01:08:42,917 --> 01:08:45,708
- He wanted
2190
01:08:42,917 --> 01:08:45,708
to physically dominate me
2191
01:08:45,792 --> 01:08:47,208
and rape me.
2192
01:08:47,292 --> 01:08:49,375
- I pushed him off of me
2193
01:08:47,292 --> 01:08:49,375
and I was like,
2194
01:08:49,458 --> 01:08:50,792
"What the fuck are you doing?
2195
01:08:50,875 --> 01:08:52,208
What the fuck
2196
01:08:50,875 --> 01:08:52,208
is wrong with you?"
2197
01:08:52,292 --> 01:08:53,625
- I kicked really, really hard
2198
01:08:53,708 --> 01:08:54,917
and I fucking screamed,
2199
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,208
and I--and I just ran
2200
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,208
to the door
2201
01:08:56,292 --> 01:08:57,750
and he, like,
2202
01:08:56,292 --> 01:08:57,750
let me go.
2203
01:08:57,833 --> 01:09:00,958
- I had to really do some
2204
01:08:57,833 --> 01:09:00,958
dark nights of the soul
2205
01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:02,875
to work through this layer
2206
01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:02,875
of shame.
2207
01:09:02,958 --> 01:09:08,833
- He took a piece of me with him
2208
01:09:02,958 --> 01:09:08,833
when he did this,
2209
01:09:08,917 --> 01:09:12,708
and then--then he carried it
2210
01:09:08,917 --> 01:09:12,708
with him,
2211
01:09:12,792 --> 01:09:17,167
and he carried it with him
2212
01:09:12,792 --> 01:09:17,167
for three fucking decades.
2213
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:23,458
♪ ♪
2214
01:09:23,542 --> 01:09:24,917
- On Instagram,
2215
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,042
Russell Simmons was defiant,
2216
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,042
writing,
2217
01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:30,208
"Today, I begin
2218
01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:30,208
to properly defend myself."
2219
01:09:30,292 --> 01:09:33,500
- Simmons again denied
2220
01:09:30,292 --> 01:09:33,500
all the allegations of rape
2221
01:09:33,583 --> 01:09:35,167
and other misconduct,
2222
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:36,542
and then he posted
2223
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:36,542
the hashtag,
2224
01:09:36,625 --> 01:09:39,792
and he used "NotMe.
2225
01:09:39,875 --> 01:09:45,625
♪ ♪
2226
01:09:45,708 --> 01:09:48,917
- You think you'll be vindicated
2227
01:09:45,708 --> 01:09:48,917
at the end of all this, man?
2228
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,417
Honestly, I mean,
2229
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,417
I wouldn't--
2230
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:52,417
- I don't have a stitch
2231
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:52,417
of violence in me.
2232
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:53,958
I would never hurt anybody.
2233
01:09:54,042 --> 01:09:56,417
And I never had
2234
01:09:54,042 --> 01:09:56,417
any violence in me,
2235
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:58,667
but, you know...
2236
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:58,667
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, no--
2237
01:09:58,750 --> 01:10:00,042
- It's a difficult time
2238
01:09:58,750 --> 01:10:00,042
for everybody.
2239
01:10:00,125 --> 01:10:01,583
- Absolutely, absolutely.
2240
01:10:00,125 --> 01:10:01,583
- All right.
2241
01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:02,792
Thanks, guys.
2242
01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:02,792
- All right, man.
2243
01:10:02,875 --> 01:10:04,125
We'll be watching for you,
2244
01:10:02,875 --> 01:10:04,125
Rus.
2245
01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:05,750
Have a good one, man.
2246
01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:05,750
- Take care.
2247
01:10:05,833 --> 01:10:07,167
- Have a good night, you guys.
2248
01:10:05,833 --> 01:10:07,167
- Thank you guys.
2249
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:09,750
♪ ♪
2250
01:10:09,833 --> 01:10:15,000
- You pinned me down
2251
01:10:09,833 --> 01:10:15,000
with your entire might.
2252
01:10:15,083 --> 01:10:17,958
I was screaming.
2253
01:10:15,083 --> 01:10:17,958
I was crying.
2254
01:10:18,042 --> 01:10:19,292
I was begging.
2255
01:10:19,375 --> 01:10:21,708
- Have a good night, Rus!
2256
01:10:21,792 --> 01:10:24,958
- That's violent.
2257
01:10:25,042 --> 01:10:28,917
That's violent.
2258
01:10:25,042 --> 01:10:28,917
You're violent.
2259
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:36,167
♪ ♪
2260
01:10:40,917 --> 01:10:44,625
- There is a discourse
2261
01:10:40,917 --> 01:10:44,625
that says that it's still,
2262
01:10:44,708 --> 01:10:49,083
like, a cultural impossibility
2263
01:10:44,708 --> 01:10:49,083
for black women to be raped.
2264
01:10:49,167 --> 01:10:52,792
- They, um, use their sexuality
2265
01:10:49,167 --> 01:10:52,792
as gold diggers.
2266
01:10:52,875 --> 01:10:55,542
They use their sexuality
2267
01:10:52,875 --> 01:10:55,542
as means of control.
2268
01:10:55,625 --> 01:10:58,625
Um, you really can't
2269
01:10:55,625 --> 01:10:58,625
sexually abuse
2270
01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:00,333
or rape a black woman
2271
01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:00,333
because there's nothing
2272
01:11:00,417 --> 01:11:01,833
that they wouldn't do.
2273
01:11:01,917 --> 01:11:03,750
- White women are always--
2274
01:11:01,917 --> 01:11:03,750
there's a stereotype
2275
01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:06,042
of being, like,
2276
01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:06,042
docile and sweet
2277
01:11:06,125 --> 01:11:07,542
and innocent and pure,
2278
01:11:07,625 --> 01:11:10,292
and if this docile and sweet
2279
01:11:07,625 --> 01:11:10,292
and innocent, pure
2280
01:11:10,375 --> 01:11:14,167
can still get questioned
2281
01:11:10,375 --> 01:11:14,167
and not believed and discounted,
2282
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,083
what do you think is happening
2283
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,083
to black women in America
2284
01:11:16,167 --> 01:11:18,750
when we come forward with
2285
01:11:16,167 --> 01:11:18,750
stories about sexual violence?
2286
01:11:18,833 --> 01:11:20,083
- It's enraging.
2287
01:11:20,167 --> 01:11:21,667
It's enraging to know that
2288
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:23,875
you are more likely to be harmed
2289
01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:26,875
and yet fewer people
2290
01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:26,875
are going to believe you.
2291
01:11:26,958 --> 01:11:28,542
Fewer people are going
2292
01:11:26,958 --> 01:11:28,542
to help you.
2293
01:11:28,625 --> 01:11:30,875
The system doesn't appear set up
2294
01:11:28,625 --> 01:11:30,875
in any way to help you.
2295
01:11:30,958 --> 01:11:35,375
- We're not entering
2296
01:11:30,958 --> 01:11:35,375
into America's history
2297
01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:37,542
with any kind of protection,
2298
01:11:37,625 --> 01:11:40,500
and that has a lot
2299
01:11:37,625 --> 01:11:40,500
to do with our history
2300
01:11:40,583 --> 01:11:43,542
from the transatlantic
2301
01:11:40,583 --> 01:11:43,542
slave trade.
2302
01:11:43,625 --> 01:11:50,792
♪ ♪
2303
01:11:52,292 --> 01:11:54,417
- When I was 26 years old,
2304
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:57,875
my dad invited me to go
2305
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:57,875
on this trip with him
2306
01:11:57,958 --> 01:11:59,833
to West Africa,
2307
01:11:59,917 --> 01:12:06,375
and we went to
2308
01:11:59,917 --> 01:12:06,375
St. George's Castle in Ghana.
2309
01:12:06,458 --> 01:12:09,750
So it's this big fort, really,
2310
01:12:09,833 --> 01:12:11,833
and in the middle
2311
01:12:09,833 --> 01:12:11,833
of it is a church,
2312
01:12:11,917 --> 01:12:15,167
and then on either side,
2313
01:12:11,917 --> 01:12:15,167
there were two chambers--
2314
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:16,917
one for women,
2315
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:16,917
one for men--
2316
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,375
where the slaves were held,
2317
01:12:19,458 --> 01:12:21,083
and in the courtyard,
2318
01:12:21,167 --> 01:12:25,583
the women were chained
2319
01:12:21,167 --> 01:12:25,583
to a cannonball by the ankle,
2320
01:12:25,667 --> 01:12:29,042
and they were selected
2321
01:12:25,667 --> 01:12:29,042
to be raped by the governor
2322
01:12:29,125 --> 01:12:31,958
or they were raped
2323
01:12:29,125 --> 01:12:31,958
by the guards.
2324
01:12:32,042 --> 01:12:35,125
These women had no right
2325
01:12:32,042 --> 01:12:35,125
to say no
2326
01:12:35,208 --> 01:12:38,292
for the rest of their lives,
2327
01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:42,417
and so I think more than half
2328
01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:42,417
of the women were pregnant
2329
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:46,292
by the time they got on the boat
2330
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:46,292
for the middle passage.
2331
01:12:46,375 --> 01:12:48,583
The other thing that
2332
01:12:46,375 --> 01:12:48,583
was really striking to me,
2333
01:12:48,667 --> 01:12:52,958
there's this little room
2334
01:12:48,667 --> 01:12:52,958
and there's scratch marks
2335
01:12:53,042 --> 01:12:56,375
and this is where the men
2336
01:12:53,042 --> 01:12:56,375
who attempted to defend
2337
01:12:56,458 --> 01:12:58,833
the women were taken to die.
2338
01:13:00,833 --> 01:13:06,583
So just the intentional
2339
01:13:00,833 --> 01:13:06,583
cruel breakdown
2340
01:13:06,667 --> 01:13:11,833
of the black
2341
01:13:06,667 --> 01:13:11,833
male-female dynamic
2342
01:13:11,917 --> 01:13:13,875
from the beginning.
2343
01:13:16,542 --> 01:13:17,875
And...
2344
01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,333
I understand the plunder
2345
01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,333
of black men
2346
01:13:22,417 --> 01:13:24,583
and I understand...
2347
01:13:26,625 --> 01:13:30,333
The burden of black men,
2348
01:13:30,417 --> 01:13:33,292
but I also think it's time
2349
01:13:30,417 --> 01:13:33,292
for somebody to acknowledge
2350
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:35,958
the burden and the plunder
2351
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:35,958
of black women.
2352
01:13:39,542 --> 01:13:40,917
What did you think
2353
01:13:39,542 --> 01:13:40,917
of the article?
2354
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,167
How are the millennials
2355
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,167
taking it?
2356
01:13:43,250 --> 01:13:45,583
- I was really happy with how
2357
01:13:43,250 --> 01:13:45,583
the article was written
2358
01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:52,167
and that they didn't hesitate
2359
01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:52,167
to be very clear, like,
2360
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:56,833
this is--not only is this these
2361
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:56,833
particular women's experiences
2362
01:13:56,917 --> 01:13:58,292
but because they are black
2363
01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,583
and because they're
2364
01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,583
in this industry,
2365
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:01,875
this is what
2366
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:01,875
it is like for them.
2367
01:14:01,958 --> 01:14:04,417
- All right, I'm gonna play
2368
01:14:01,958 --> 01:14:04,417
this, um, clip
2369
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,292
from Hot 97 this morning,
2370
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:09,458
which I'm actually kind of
2371
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:09,458
scared to listen to
2372
01:14:09,542 --> 01:14:11,667
'cause Hot 97
2373
01:14:09,542 --> 01:14:11,667
is where hip-hop lives.
2374
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:13,167
- Mm.
2375
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:16,042
- So that would be, like,
2376
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:16,042
a very pro-Russell platform.
2377
01:14:16,125 --> 01:14:17,500
- Let's hear it.
2378
01:14:17,583 --> 01:14:19,583
- On Hot 97.
2379
01:14:19,667 --> 01:14:20,875
- So "The New York Times"
2380
01:14:20,958 --> 01:14:22,667
posted a report
2381
01:14:20,958 --> 01:14:22,667
that four women
2382
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:26,375
are detailing their experiences
2383
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:26,375
of sexual misconduct
2384
01:14:26,458 --> 01:14:28,917
and rape from Russell Simmons
2385
01:14:26,458 --> 01:14:28,917
between the years
2386
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,042
of 1988 to 2014.
2387
01:14:32,125 --> 01:14:33,583
- Hold my hand for this.
2388
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:36,208
- He said, "I absolutely
2389
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:36,208
have not raped anyone.
2390
01:14:36,292 --> 01:14:39,250
Absolutely not."
2391
01:14:39,333 --> 01:14:42,333
Russell's somebody I consider
2392
01:14:39,333 --> 01:14:42,333
a friend in this business.
2393
01:14:42,417 --> 01:14:43,667
At times like this,
2394
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:46,833
it is about having
2395
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:46,833
open conversation.
2396
01:14:46,917 --> 01:14:48,083
Doesn't mean
2397
01:14:46,917 --> 01:14:48,083
I don't like Russell.
2398
01:14:48,167 --> 01:14:49,417
Doesn't mean I don't like what
2399
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:51,042
he's contributed to hip-hop,
2400
01:14:51,125 --> 01:14:52,542
but it does mean that
2401
01:14:51,125 --> 01:14:52,542
the way you go about...
2402
01:14:52,625 --> 01:14:54,208
- I disagree.
2403
01:14:52,625 --> 01:14:54,208
- Sexualizing women
2404
01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:56,167
and your behavior has been
2405
01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:56,167
out of line for a long time,
2406
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:57,833
and it needs
2407
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:57,833
to be addressed now.
2408
01:14:57,917 --> 01:14:59,542
- Can I ask the tough question
2409
01:14:57,917 --> 01:14:59,542
in the room, though?
2410
01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:01,875
Does it sound like
2411
01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:01,875
we're being nicer to,
2412
01:15:01,958 --> 01:15:03,667
easier on,
2413
01:15:01,958 --> 01:15:03,667
and more open-minded
2414
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:07,083
about Russell than anyone else
2415
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:07,083
who's caught an accusation?
2416
01:15:07,167 --> 01:15:10,917
I could at the very least say
2417
01:15:07,167 --> 01:15:10,917
I thought he seemed coarse
2418
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,875
and inappropriate probably
2419
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,875
around women,
2420
01:15:12,958 --> 01:15:16,250
and now he has several
2421
01:15:12,958 --> 01:15:16,250
rape allegations,
2422
01:15:16,333 --> 01:15:19,583
some of which are from women
2423
01:15:16,333 --> 01:15:19,583
who are very credible,
2424
01:15:19,667 --> 01:15:21,708
worked in the industry
2425
01:15:19,667 --> 01:15:21,708
at executive levels, not--
2426
01:15:21,792 --> 01:15:23,958
- And who's saying
2427
01:15:21,792 --> 01:15:23,958
they don't believe them?
2428
01:15:24,042 --> 01:15:26,500
- I'm saying the tone
2429
01:15:24,042 --> 01:15:26,500
we're having to me is one
2430
01:15:26,583 --> 01:15:29,167
that's much more like,
2431
01:15:26,583 --> 01:15:29,167
"Well, open.
2432
01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:30,625
Let's have dialogue."
2433
01:15:30,708 --> 01:15:32,083
We didn't do that
2434
01:15:30,708 --> 01:15:32,083
for other people.
2435
01:15:32,167 --> 01:15:33,708
- Mm-hmm.
2436
01:15:32,167 --> 01:15:33,708
- Even though we have evidence
2437
01:15:33,792 --> 01:15:36,458
to that he was--
2438
01:15:33,792 --> 01:15:36,458
has been a--a dirtbag,
2439
01:15:36,542 --> 01:15:39,292
we're all kinda keeping our lips
2440
01:15:36,542 --> 01:15:39,292
a little bit pursed
2441
01:15:39,375 --> 01:15:40,583
and not going the next step.
2442
01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:42,208
- He's real.
2443
01:15:42,292 --> 01:15:44,750
- Russell's like,
2444
01:15:42,292 --> 01:15:44,750
"That's not how I remember it.
2445
01:15:44,833 --> 01:15:45,917
I'm stepping down."
2446
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,458
Then the rape allegations
2447
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,458
come out.
2448
01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:48,792
He's like, "I absolutely"--
2449
01:15:48,875 --> 01:15:50,167
- But is that why
2450
01:15:48,875 --> 01:15:50,167
he stepped down?
2451
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:51,458
Why'd he really step down?
2452
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792
- Mm-hmm.
2453
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792
- Because--I don't know.
2454
01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:54,375
Why?
2455
01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:54,375
What are you saying?
2456
01:15:54,458 --> 01:15:56,625
- Because he knew more
2457
01:15:54,458 --> 01:15:56,625
were coming, guys.
2458
01:15:56,708 --> 01:15:58,375
And guess who else did.
2459
01:15:56,708 --> 01:15:58,375
We did.
2460
01:15:58,458 --> 01:15:59,917
- Word.
2461
01:15:58,458 --> 01:15:59,917
Word.
2462
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,375
- There's these--all these
2463
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,375
women who were trying
2464
01:16:01,458 --> 01:16:02,417
to make it in the industry.
2465
01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:03,667
One had to--what--
2466
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:05,083
she just ran away,
2467
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:05,083
and guess what.
2468
01:16:05,167 --> 01:16:06,875
Then she ended up working
2469
01:16:05,167 --> 01:16:06,875
for L.A. Reid.
2470
01:16:06,958 --> 01:16:07,958
- And then he did
2471
01:16:06,958 --> 01:16:07,958
something to her.
2472
01:16:08,042 --> 01:16:09,083
- And then he did it!
2473
01:16:09,167 --> 01:16:10,875
- Yeah.
2474
01:16:10,958 --> 01:16:12,625
- Sorry, that's not where
2475
01:16:10,958 --> 01:16:12,625
my prayers went.
2476
01:16:12,708 --> 01:16:14,292
My prayers were, like,
2477
01:16:12,708 --> 01:16:14,292
to any woman who's had
2478
01:16:14,375 --> 01:16:15,542
to be in this industry
2479
01:16:14,375 --> 01:16:15,542
the last 30 years.
2480
01:16:15,625 --> 01:16:18,083
Wow.
2481
01:16:19,458 --> 01:16:23,125
- Uh, when--when
2482
01:16:19,458 --> 01:16:23,125
Drew disappeared,
2483
01:16:23,208 --> 01:16:26,875
it didn't strike me per se,
2484
01:16:23,208 --> 01:16:26,875
because a lot of women
2485
01:16:26,958 --> 01:16:28,833
had started to disappear.
2486
01:16:28,917 --> 01:16:32,000
- So when did you find out
2487
01:16:28,917 --> 01:16:32,000
why she'd left?
2488
01:16:32,083 --> 01:16:34,625
- Um, when I read
2489
01:16:32,083 --> 01:16:34,625
"The New York Times."
2490
01:16:36,750 --> 01:16:41,458
And it was devastating to me.
2491
01:16:41,542 --> 01:16:45,667
Devastating.
2492
01:16:41,542 --> 01:16:45,667
I was shaking for days.
2493
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:52,417
Every story--every Russell story
2494
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:52,417
is personal and...
2495
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:57,583
Hard,
2496
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:57,583
really, really hard,
2497
01:16:57,667 --> 01:16:59,917
and so when I read that
2498
01:16:57,667 --> 01:16:59,917
about Drew,
2499
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,208
I was in bed.
2500
01:17:01,292 --> 01:17:03,000
I stayed in bed
2501
01:17:01,292 --> 01:17:03,000
because I was like,
2502
01:17:03,083 --> 01:17:04,833
"This is my Drew."
2503
01:17:04,917 --> 01:17:07,125
I immediately went
2504
01:17:04,917 --> 01:17:07,125
right back there
2505
01:17:07,208 --> 01:17:09,792
to my 23-year-old self.
2506
01:17:09,875 --> 01:17:13,625
I know her! So well.
2507
01:17:13,708 --> 01:17:15,708
Even now, like, this has
2508
01:17:13,708 --> 01:17:15,708
just unpacked so much,
2509
01:17:15,792 --> 01:17:17,542
it's just forced me to think
2510
01:17:15,792 --> 01:17:17,542
about all the things
2511
01:17:17,625 --> 01:17:20,042
that I've endured
2512
01:17:17,625 --> 01:17:20,042
and experienced
2513
01:17:20,125 --> 01:17:23,917
and seen,
2514
01:17:20,125 --> 01:17:23,917
and particularly with Russell,
2515
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,042
because I was
2516
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,042
a 22-year-old woman
2517
01:17:26,125 --> 01:17:30,125
alone with Russell
2518
01:17:26,125 --> 01:17:30,125
in the early '90s,
2519
01:17:30,208 --> 01:17:36,708
and so I know exactly
2520
01:17:30,208 --> 01:17:36,708
what is possible,
2521
01:17:36,792 --> 01:17:38,708
and even though I--
2522
01:17:38,792 --> 01:17:43,542
you know, I have fear
2523
01:17:38,792 --> 01:17:43,542
around speaking, um, publicly
2524
01:17:43,625 --> 01:17:45,417
for all the wrong reasons, like,
2525
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:49,208
I'm smart enough to know
2526
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:49,208
that shame has no place
2527
01:17:49,292 --> 01:17:52,667
and, you know, all the things
2528
01:17:49,292 --> 01:17:52,667
that I would say
2529
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:55,458
to any younger woman
2530
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:55,458
who needed my counsel,
2531
01:17:55,542 --> 01:17:58,042
I have all
2532
01:17:55,542 --> 01:17:58,042
the right things to say.
2533
01:17:58,125 --> 01:18:00,292
Um, but I'm also
2534
01:17:58,125 --> 01:18:00,292
a very private person.
2535
01:18:00,375 --> 01:18:01,583
I'm also a journalist.
2536
01:18:01,667 --> 01:18:03,917
I'm not used
2537
01:18:01,667 --> 01:18:03,917
to being the subject.
2538
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,167
And this isn't a rape story.
2539
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:06,583
That's another reason why I--
2540
01:18:06,667 --> 01:18:11,125
I think I don't want
2541
01:18:06,667 --> 01:18:11,125
to conflate
2542
01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:14,333
my story with other stories.
2543
01:18:15,667 --> 01:18:18,750
But the fact remains that you
2544
01:18:15,667 --> 01:18:18,750
can keep something inside
2545
01:18:18,833 --> 01:18:21,417
for 25 years
2546
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,917
and keep on keeping on,
2547
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,500
and then a thing can happen
2548
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,500
like the bravery
2549
01:18:27,583 --> 01:18:29,583
of someone like Drew
2550
01:18:29,667 --> 01:18:32,625
or Sil Lai
2551
01:18:29,667 --> 01:18:32,625
or Jenny
2552
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:35,792
or any of these women
2553
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:35,792
who have dared
2554
01:18:35,875 --> 01:18:40,333
to say a name and speak
2555
01:18:35,875 --> 01:18:40,333
to a specific time
2556
01:18:40,417 --> 01:18:43,125
and you didn't have
2557
01:18:40,417 --> 01:18:43,125
to reconcile.
2558
01:18:43,208 --> 01:18:44,125
You've gotta deal,
2559
01:18:44,208 --> 01:18:45,125
and that's really why
2560
01:18:45,208 --> 01:18:46,250
I showed up today.
2561
01:18:46,333 --> 01:18:50,125
I'm here really to bear witness
2562
01:18:50,208 --> 01:18:54,167
and to say I'm really sorry
2563
01:18:50,208 --> 01:18:54,167
to all of these women
2564
01:18:54,250 --> 01:18:56,458
who have suffered,
2565
01:18:56,542 --> 01:18:58,917
and to those who
2566
01:18:56,542 --> 01:18:58,917
will never tell their story,
2567
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,792
that's okay too.
2568
01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:02,792
I believe you too,
2569
01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:06,500
and there's so many of us
2570
01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:06,500
who believe you too.
2571
01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:10,167
So, um, you know...
2572
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,750
You know.
2573
01:19:26,958 --> 01:19:32,167
- I am looking forward
2574
01:19:26,958 --> 01:19:32,167
to meeting Sil Lai.
2575
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:37,125
Her story just came out
2576
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:37,125
in "The Hollywood Reporter."
2577
01:19:37,208 --> 01:19:40,667
And I'm always happy
2578
01:19:37,208 --> 01:19:40,667
to see Jenny.
2579
01:19:40,750 --> 01:19:43,333
I've met her twice now,
2580
01:19:40,750 --> 01:19:43,333
and we've gotten to know
2581
01:19:43,417 --> 01:19:46,333
each other over text as well,
2582
01:19:46,417 --> 01:19:50,917
and I consider her
2583
01:19:46,417 --> 01:19:50,917
a sister already.
2584
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,208
It's this bond that's hard
2585
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,208
to describe.
2586
01:19:57,792 --> 01:20:00,167
- Come in, come in, come in!
2587
01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:05,333
Wow, I'm seeing you in person
2588
01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:05,333
after all this time!
2589
01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:08,708
- Jenny?
2590
01:20:08,792 --> 01:20:10,875
- Hello.
2591
01:20:08,792 --> 01:20:10,875
- Here, have a seat here.
2592
01:20:10,958 --> 01:20:13,917
- I--I was, like, in mom mode.
2593
01:20:10,958 --> 01:20:13,917
- Me too.
2594
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,375
- Well...
2595
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,375
- I was making pancakes.
2596
01:20:15,458 --> 01:20:17,458
- This is good.
2597
01:20:15,458 --> 01:20:17,458
I can have a Beyoncé, like--
2598
01:20:17,542 --> 01:20:18,542
- Right in the wind.
2599
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:25,667
- I'm doing this mental
2600
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:25,667
checklist with everybody.
2601
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:27,833
- Oh, yeah.
2602
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:27,833
- 'Cause I wanna know
2603
01:20:27,917 --> 01:20:34,000
who I know is still supporting
2604
01:20:27,917 --> 01:20:34,000
this man 19 allegations in.
2605
01:20:34,083 --> 01:20:35,458
- Oh, yeah.
2606
01:20:34,083 --> 01:20:35,458
- Are you an ally?
2607
01:20:35,542 --> 01:20:38,542
Are you a real ally?
2608
01:20:35,542 --> 01:20:38,542
Are you down with him?
2609
01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:39,792
Do you support me?
2610
01:20:39,875 --> 01:20:42,125
Why do you not
2611
01:20:39,875 --> 01:20:42,125
say anything to me?
2612
01:20:42,208 --> 01:20:43,750
Why do you stay silent?
2613
01:20:43,833 --> 01:20:46,292
- It was kind of
2614
01:20:43,833 --> 01:20:46,292
like I did not...
2615
01:20:48,125 --> 01:20:50,708
Expect, uh...
2616
01:20:52,833 --> 01:20:56,250
Anyone to be in it
2617
01:20:52,833 --> 01:20:56,250
for the long haul with me,
2618
01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,458
and I was okay.
2619
01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,458
- Mm.
2620
01:20:59,542 --> 01:21:02,375
- Um, it'd be lovely,
2621
01:21:02,458 --> 01:21:03,833
but I'm glad I met you guys,
2622
01:21:03,917 --> 01:21:05,875
'cause we're in it
2623
01:21:03,917 --> 01:21:05,875
for the long haul.
2624
01:21:05,958 --> 01:21:08,625
- Like, I don't--I've been
2625
01:21:05,958 --> 01:21:08,625
in bed for four days.
2626
01:21:08,708 --> 01:21:11,125
Like, I don't know
2627
01:21:08,708 --> 01:21:11,125
how to do this.
2628
01:21:11,208 --> 01:21:14,417
I don't know--how do you tell
2629
01:21:11,208 --> 01:21:14,417
your story in front
2630
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:17,875
of a national--
2631
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:17,875
in a national forum?
2632
01:21:17,958 --> 01:21:20,500
But at the same time
2633
01:21:17,958 --> 01:21:20,500
realizing the privilege.
2634
01:21:20,583 --> 01:21:22,625
Like, looking at us,
2635
01:21:20,583 --> 01:21:22,625
we're all light-skinned.
2636
01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:25,625
We're all
2637
01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:25,625
"conventionally attractive."
2638
01:21:25,708 --> 01:21:28,667
The fact that our story
2639
01:21:25,708 --> 01:21:28,667
has been told
2640
01:21:28,750 --> 01:21:30,542
is a privilege.
2641
01:21:28,750 --> 01:21:30,542
- Mm-hmm.
2642
01:21:30,625 --> 01:21:32,917
- It shouldn't be a privilege.
2643
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,750
Every woman's story
2644
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,750
deserves to be heard.
2645
01:21:36,833 --> 01:21:38,792
- Part of the reason
2646
01:21:36,833 --> 01:21:38,792
I did speak out
2647
01:21:38,875 --> 01:21:41,875
is because I do have
2648
01:21:38,875 --> 01:21:41,875
light privilege,
2649
01:21:41,958 --> 01:21:44,625
so I have to go ahead
2650
01:21:44,708 --> 01:21:48,750
and stick my neck out
2651
01:21:44,708 --> 01:21:48,750
and say, "Me too,"
2652
01:21:48,833 --> 01:21:53,250
for other black women
2653
01:21:48,833 --> 01:21:53,250
who are not safe.
2654
01:21:53,333 --> 01:21:54,958
♪ ♪
2655
01:21:55,042 --> 01:22:01,167
- I wasn't prepared
2656
01:21:55,042 --> 01:22:01,167
in whatever way
2657
01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:06,167
to speak at all until 2017,
2658
01:22:06,250 --> 01:22:09,833
which is the first time
2659
01:22:06,250 --> 01:22:09,833
I said anything to anybody.
2660
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:13,000
And I thought...
2661
01:22:16,042 --> 01:22:19,583
"I wish I could have gotten
2662
01:22:16,042 --> 01:22:19,583
my shit together earlier..."
2663
01:22:23,083 --> 01:22:25,292
"So he would have left
2664
01:22:23,083 --> 01:22:25,292
everybody alone."
2665
01:22:25,375 --> 01:22:30,167
♪ ♪
2666
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:34,167
- The aftermath
2667
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:34,167
of coming forward is just--
2668
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:38,417
you can't even begin
2669
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:38,417
to describe what it's like,
2670
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:43,750
but someone else out there
2671
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:43,750
knows exactly what it is,
2672
01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:48,417
you know, and to go through
2673
01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:48,417
the first,
2674
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:49,750
the assault,
2675
01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:53,583
and then the coming forward...
2676
01:22:56,625 --> 01:22:59,167
And there's a bond.
2677
01:22:59,250 --> 01:23:01,375
You know, there's a bond there.
2678
01:23:07,542 --> 01:23:09,375
♪ ♪
2679
01:23:09,458 --> 01:23:12,208
- I don't know
2680
01:23:09,458 --> 01:23:12,208
that there's any comp--
2681
01:23:12,292 --> 01:23:13,333
like, any comparable...
2682
01:23:13,417 --> 01:23:14,792
- No, there isn't
2683
01:23:13,417 --> 01:23:14,792
any comparable--
2684
01:23:14,875 --> 01:23:17,708
- Experience to coming forward,
2685
01:23:14,875 --> 01:23:17,708
being believed,
2686
01:23:17,792 --> 01:23:19,833
finding other victims...
2687
01:23:19,917 --> 01:23:21,292
- The trauma,
2688
01:23:19,917 --> 01:23:21,292
the coming forward...
2689
01:23:21,375 --> 01:23:22,875
- Of the same trauma
2690
01:23:22,958 --> 01:23:26,167
by the same person
2691
01:23:22,958 --> 01:23:26,167
and suddenly we're together.
2692
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:28,333
I mean, I'd been alone
2693
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:28,333
for 22 years.
2694
01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:30,083
I thought it was just me.
2695
01:23:30,167 --> 01:23:32,792
- Meeting you was,
2696
01:23:30,167 --> 01:23:32,792
"I'm not alone."
2697
01:23:32,875 --> 01:23:34,000
- Yeah.
2698
01:23:34,083 --> 01:23:36,917
- Meeting you now is,
2699
01:23:34,083 --> 01:23:36,917
"I'm not alone."
2700
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,625
Um, it's a big deal.
2701
01:23:40,708 --> 01:23:42,125
- It's a big deal.
2702
01:23:42,208 --> 01:23:49,375
♪ ♪
2703
01:24:05,167 --> 01:24:06,917
After the article came out,
2704
01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:09,458
I asked my husband
2705
01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:09,458
for a divorce,
2706
01:24:09,542 --> 01:24:12,125
not because it was, like,
2707
01:24:09,542 --> 01:24:12,125
toxic or terrible
2708
01:24:12,208 --> 01:24:16,125
but because suddenly
2709
01:24:12,208 --> 01:24:16,125
I had to deal with this thing
2710
01:24:16,208 --> 01:24:17,458
that had happened to me
2711
01:24:17,542 --> 01:24:20,792
in, like,
2712
01:24:17,542 --> 01:24:20,792
a three-dimensional way,
2713
01:24:20,875 --> 01:24:24,125
and I found myself
2714
01:24:20,875 --> 01:24:24,125
in a very dark place
2715
01:24:24,208 --> 01:24:27,167
and ultimately had
2716
01:24:24,208 --> 01:24:27,167
to summon the strength
2717
01:24:27,250 --> 01:24:31,125
to leave
2718
01:24:27,250 --> 01:24:31,125
and get to know myself
2719
01:24:31,208 --> 01:24:34,458
and find out
2720
01:24:31,208 --> 01:24:34,458
who that person is.
2721
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:43,167
I thought the only thing
2722
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:43,167
that would be different
2723
01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:45,958
after "The New York Times"
2724
01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:45,958
published my story
2725
01:24:46,042 --> 01:24:47,292
is that the rest of the world
2726
01:24:47,375 --> 01:24:48,792
would have the information
2727
01:24:47,375 --> 01:24:48,792
I had.
2728
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:52,625
What I did not anticipate
2729
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:52,625
is that I would have
2730
01:24:52,708 --> 01:24:55,917
a new relationship
2731
01:24:52,708 --> 01:24:55,917
with this information,
2732
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,208
which was essentially I had
2733
01:24:57,292 --> 01:24:58,667
to process it
2734
01:24:57,292 --> 01:24:58,667
for the first time.
2735
01:24:58,750 --> 01:25:00,875
It was, like,
2736
01:24:58,750 --> 01:25:00,875
unmetabolized information.
2737
01:25:00,958 --> 01:25:05,542
Like, it's like
2738
01:25:00,958 --> 01:25:05,542
I'd swallowed it whole in 1995
2739
01:25:05,625 --> 01:25:09,083
and I had never actually
2740
01:25:05,625 --> 01:25:09,083
digested it.
2741
01:25:09,167 --> 01:25:13,458
You know, it was literally like
2742
01:25:09,167 --> 01:25:13,458
pressing play
2743
01:25:13,542 --> 01:25:16,708
on a movie that
2744
01:25:13,542 --> 01:25:16,708
I paused 22 years ago
2745
01:25:16,792 --> 01:25:18,833
in, like, the middle
2746
01:25:16,792 --> 01:25:18,833
of the scariest scene.
2747
01:25:18,917 --> 01:25:20,917
I'm just like, play.
2748
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:25,333
♪ ♪
2749
01:25:25,417 --> 01:25:26,708
I didn't even realize until
2750
01:25:26,792 --> 01:25:29,458
I read the "New York Times"
2751
01:25:26,792 --> 01:25:29,458
article
2752
01:25:29,542 --> 01:25:32,042
that there was never even a CD.
2753
01:25:32,125 --> 01:25:34,792
I literally for 22 years
2754
01:25:32,125 --> 01:25:34,792
have wondered
2755
01:25:34,875 --> 01:25:37,458
what it was
2756
01:25:34,875 --> 01:25:37,458
and was it good
2757
01:25:37,542 --> 01:25:40,542
until I read the article
2758
01:25:37,542 --> 01:25:40,542
and realized--
2759
01:25:40,625 --> 01:25:42,042
I mean,
2760
01:25:40,625 --> 01:25:42,042
read the article,
2761
01:25:42,125 --> 01:25:44,500
met other survivors of his,
2762
01:25:42,125 --> 01:25:44,500
talked to--
2763
01:25:44,583 --> 01:25:46,750
talked to them about
2764
01:25:44,583 --> 01:25:46,750
the traps he set.
2765
01:25:46,833 --> 01:25:49,042
It's like, "Oh, my God.
2766
01:25:46,833 --> 01:25:49,042
There was no CD."
2767
01:25:50,417 --> 01:25:53,083
There was never a CD.
2768
01:25:53,167 --> 01:25:56,208
It was all a ruse
2769
01:25:53,167 --> 01:25:56,208
to get me in there
2770
01:25:56,292 --> 01:25:57,875
'cause he knew I would
2771
01:25:56,292 --> 01:25:57,875
wanna hear the demo
2772
01:25:57,958 --> 01:26:00,583
and it was my job,
2773
01:26:00,667 --> 01:26:02,333
and that is why I walked right
2774
01:26:02,417 --> 01:26:06,083
into that trap
2775
01:26:02,417 --> 01:26:06,083
with Russell Simmons at 24.
2776
01:26:06,167 --> 01:26:13,375
♪ ♪
2777
01:26:39,208 --> 01:26:43,917
- ♪ You're all I need ♪
2778
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,542
♪ To get by ♪
2779
01:26:46,625 --> 01:26:49,250
♪ Aye ♪
2780
01:26:49,333 --> 01:26:54,250
♪ You're all I need ♪
2781
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:56,750
♪ To get by ♪
2782
01:26:56,833 --> 01:26:59,667
♪ Aye ♪
2783
01:26:59,750 --> 01:27:02,417
- ♪ Shorty, I'm there for you
2784
01:26:59,750 --> 01:27:02,417
anytime you need me ♪
2785
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:05,000
♪ For real, girl, it's me
2786
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:05,000
in your world, believe me ♪
2787
01:27:05,083 --> 01:27:07,333
♪ Nothing make a man
2788
01:27:05,083 --> 01:27:07,333
feel better than a woman ♪
2789
01:27:07,417 --> 01:27:09,875
♪ Queen with a crown
2790
01:27:07,417 --> 01:27:09,875
that be down for whatever ♪
2791
01:27:09,958 --> 01:27:12,542
♪ There are few things
2792
01:27:09,958 --> 01:27:12,542
that's forever, my lady ♪
2793
01:27:12,625 --> 01:27:14,125
♪ We can make war
2794
01:27:12,625 --> 01:27:14,125
or make babies ♪
2795
01:27:14,208 --> 01:27:15,875
♪ Back when I was nothing ♪
2796
01:27:15,958 --> 01:27:17,958
♪ You made a brother feel
2797
01:27:15,958 --> 01:27:17,958
like he was something ♪
2798
01:27:18,042 --> 01:27:20,333
♪ That's why I'm with you to
2799
01:27:18,042 --> 01:27:20,333
this day, boo, no fronting ♪
2800
01:27:20,417 --> 01:27:22,792
- You have to ask yourself,
2801
01:27:20,417 --> 01:27:22,792
you know,
2802
01:27:22,875 --> 01:27:25,250
where would her career
2803
01:27:22,875 --> 01:27:25,250
have gone in music?
2804
01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:27,083
What music did we lose?
2805
01:27:27,167 --> 01:27:29,458
What are we poorer for
2806
01:27:29,542 --> 01:27:33,583
for Drew not being
2807
01:27:29,542 --> 01:27:33,583
a music executive?
2808
01:27:33,667 --> 01:27:37,208
If this is what her 20s was,
2809
01:27:37,292 --> 01:27:38,833
the magic,
2810
01:27:38,917 --> 01:27:42,458
what would the next
2811
01:27:38,917 --> 01:27:42,458
20 years have been?
2812
01:27:42,542 --> 01:27:43,708
And we'll never know.
2813
01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:46,000
It's like we've been robbed
2814
01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:46,000
of that.
2815
01:27:46,083 --> 01:27:47,833
- When people get out, like, um,
2816
01:27:47,917 --> 01:27:48,917
for those kind of reasons,
2817
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,833
I think that us as the public,
2818
01:27:50,917 --> 01:27:53,333
we suffer because we don't know
2819
01:27:50,917 --> 01:27:53,333
what they could have produced
2820
01:27:53,417 --> 01:27:54,583
or what they could have brought.
2821
01:27:54,667 --> 01:27:55,667
Like, maybe music wouldn't
2822
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:57,000
have changed the way it did
2823
01:27:57,083 --> 01:27:59,625
if we had more women,
2824
01:27:57,083 --> 01:27:59,625
uh, in music.
2825
01:27:59,708 --> 01:28:02,792
- This is so emblematic
2826
01:27:59,708 --> 01:28:02,792
of what happens
2827
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:05,333
to women routinely,
2828
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:05,333
and we lose.
2829
01:28:05,417 --> 01:28:10,542
We all lose when
2830
01:28:05,417 --> 01:28:10,542
brilliant women go away,
2831
01:28:10,625 --> 01:28:13,875
when powerful women go away,
2832
01:28:10,625 --> 01:28:13,875
you know?
2833
01:28:13,958 --> 01:28:16,083
When people lose
2834
01:28:13,958 --> 01:28:16,083
their inner light,
2835
01:28:16,167 --> 01:28:19,833
that thing--when shame keeps you
2836
01:28:16,167 --> 01:28:19,833
from stepping up,
2837
01:28:19,917 --> 01:28:22,125
what--all of that,
2838
01:28:19,917 --> 01:28:22,125
it's a loss for all of us.
2839
01:28:22,208 --> 01:28:23,750
It really, really is.
2840
01:28:25,625 --> 01:28:31,667
- You know, I've had glimpses
2841
01:28:25,625 --> 01:28:31,667
of access to my creativity
2842
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:34,750
and my joy
2843
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:34,750
and my fearlessness,
2844
01:28:34,833 --> 01:28:37,958
but it's really been buried.
2845
01:28:38,042 --> 01:28:41,333
The most authentic part
2846
01:28:38,042 --> 01:28:41,333
of myself carried the pain,
2847
01:28:41,417 --> 01:28:45,000
so I couldn't--
2848
01:28:41,417 --> 01:28:45,000
I couldn't open that box.
2849
01:28:47,792 --> 01:28:51,583
- Would you rather hear a song
2850
01:28:47,792 --> 01:28:51,583
called "Medicine" or "Silver"?
2851
01:28:51,667 --> 01:28:53,167
- "Medicine."
2852
01:28:51,667 --> 01:28:53,167
- Okay.
2853
01:28:57,792 --> 01:29:02,833
♪ ♪
2854
01:29:02,917 --> 01:29:07,250
- ♪ Let me spell it out, babe,
2855
01:29:02,917 --> 01:29:07,250
I want you to go ♪
2856
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:11,042
♪ ♪
2857
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:15,750
♪ All you do is try to teach me
2858
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:15,750
things I've already known ♪
2859
01:29:15,833 --> 01:29:19,333
♪ ♪
2860
01:29:19,417 --> 01:29:25,333
♪ Do you really think it helps
2861
01:29:19,417 --> 01:29:25,333
me having you in control ♪
2862
01:29:25,417 --> 01:29:28,125
- There's a mom whose daughter
2863
01:29:25,417 --> 01:29:28,125
is in the 11th grade
2864
01:29:28,208 --> 01:29:29,958
at my kids' school
2865
01:29:28,208 --> 01:29:29,958
and she read the article
2866
01:29:30,042 --> 01:29:31,250
and thought
2867
01:29:30,042 --> 01:29:31,250
that I might be able
2868
01:29:31,333 --> 01:29:34,292
to give her daughter advice.
2869
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:36,250
The last thing I thought
2870
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:36,250
would come from this article
2871
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:38,667
was having somebody want me
2872
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:38,667
to help them with music.
2873
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:41,458
I thought I was, like,
2874
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:41,458
officially closing that door
2875
01:29:41,542 --> 01:29:43,000
whether I wanted to or not.
2876
01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:45,792
♪ ♪
2877
01:29:45,875 --> 01:29:48,375
It's awesome.
2878
01:29:45,875 --> 01:29:48,375
I love it.
2879
01:29:48,458 --> 01:29:50,000
Like, I love it.
2880
01:29:48,458 --> 01:29:50,000
- You do?
2881
01:29:50,083 --> 01:29:54,125
- Yeah, so those are some
2882
01:29:50,083 --> 01:29:54,125
of my favorite verses of yours.
2883
01:29:54,208 --> 01:29:55,125
Like--
2884
01:29:54,208 --> 01:29:55,125
- Yeah?
2885
01:29:55,208 --> 01:29:56,583
- Of, like, all.
2886
01:29:55,208 --> 01:29:56,583
- Really?
2887
01:29:56,667 --> 01:29:58,375
- I love those verses.
2888
01:29:58,458 --> 01:30:02,917
They're really haunting and,
2889
01:29:58,458 --> 01:30:02,917
like, I love them.
2890
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,042
- Oh, thanks.
2891
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,042
- Beautiful.
2892
01:30:05,125 --> 01:30:06,125
- Thank you.
2893
01:30:06,208 --> 01:30:13,333
♪ ♪
2894
01:30:20,292 --> 01:30:26,333
♪ And you can't wrap your mind
2895
01:30:20,292 --> 01:30:26,333
around my words ♪
2896
01:30:26,417 --> 01:30:28,208
♪ ♪
2897
01:30:28,292 --> 01:30:35,167
♪ But your healing efforts
2898
01:30:28,292 --> 01:30:35,167
only make me hurt ♪
2899
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:36,958
♪ Don't you know ♪
2900
01:30:37,042 --> 01:30:41,000
♪ You're not a medicine,
2901
01:30:37,042 --> 01:30:41,000
you're not a medicine ♪
2902
01:30:41,083 --> 01:30:45,333
♪ You gave me bad news
2903
01:30:41,083 --> 01:30:45,333
and I'm stuck in my bed again ♪
2904
01:30:45,417 --> 01:30:52,083
♪ You're not a medicine,
2905
01:30:45,417 --> 01:30:52,083
you're not a medicine ♪
2906
01:30:52,167 --> 01:30:55,417
♪ ♪
2907
01:30:57,542 --> 01:31:00,042
- I am excited
2908
01:30:57,542 --> 01:31:00,042
to be making music again.
2909
01:31:00,125 --> 01:31:04,500
I mean, it's sort of like--
2910
01:31:00,125 --> 01:31:04,500
it's like breathing.
2911
01:31:04,583 --> 01:31:06,708
I feel like I've been holding
2912
01:31:04,583 --> 01:31:06,708
my breath for 16 years
2913
01:31:06,792 --> 01:31:08,542
and I didn't know it.
2914
01:31:08,625 --> 01:31:15,792
♪ ♪
2915
01:31:18,667 --> 01:31:22,042
If you're a rape survivor,
2916
01:31:18,667 --> 01:31:22,042
you are the crime scene.
2917
01:31:22,125 --> 01:31:24,375
My life is the crime scene.
2918
01:31:24,458 --> 01:31:27,292
The crime doesn't end
2919
01:31:24,458 --> 01:31:27,292
the moment the assault ends.
2920
01:31:27,375 --> 01:31:31,167
The crime is perpetrated
2921
01:31:27,375 --> 01:31:31,167
and reperpetrated
2922
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:33,792
every day that you
2923
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:33,792
carry it with you,
2924
01:31:33,875 --> 01:31:35,375
and it informs your behavior,
2925
01:31:35,458 --> 01:31:37,833
so, like,
2926
01:31:35,458 --> 01:31:37,833
I'm a living crime scene.
2927
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:43,375
And I realize now it was a cage.
2928
01:31:43,458 --> 01:31:50,542
I had no idea how much
2929
01:31:43,458 --> 01:31:50,542
this one night of my life
2930
01:31:50,625 --> 01:31:53,500
shattered me,
2931
01:31:53,583 --> 01:31:55,375
and until I said it out loud
2932
01:31:55,458 --> 01:31:58,250
and lived to, like,
2933
01:31:55,458 --> 01:31:58,250
tell the tale--
2934
01:31:58,333 --> 01:32:01,708
I'm still here--
2935
01:32:01,792 --> 01:32:05,458
I couldn't fully start to put
2936
01:32:01,792 --> 01:32:05,458
the pieces back together,
2937
01:32:05,542 --> 01:32:07,417
and I would have
2938
01:32:05,542 --> 01:32:07,417
been shattered forever
2939
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:09,917
if this Me Too moment
2940
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:09,917
hadn't happened.
2941
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:14,125
I mean, literally,
2942
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:14,125
it's like--it saved my life.
2943
01:32:14,208 --> 01:32:16,875
I--it saved my life.
2944
01:32:16,958 --> 01:32:24,125
♪ ♪
2945
01:33:17,417 --> 01:33:24,583
♪ ♪
2946
01:34:05,708 --> 01:34:08,792
[Ms. Lauryn Hill's
2947
01:34:05,708 --> 01:34:08,792
"Damnable Heresies"]
2948
01:34:08,875 --> 01:34:16,042
♪ ♪
2949
01:34:28,833 --> 01:34:33,000
- ♪ These damnable heresies ♪
2950
01:34:33,083 --> 01:34:36,833
♪ Sold into slavery ♪
2951
01:34:36,917 --> 01:34:38,917
♪ By my insecurities ♪
2952
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:44,833
♪ Oh, they keep
2953
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:44,833
taking me down ♪
2954
01:34:44,917 --> 01:34:48,792
♪ Shaking me down ♪
2955
01:34:48,875 --> 01:34:51,917
♪ Taking me down ♪
2956
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,750
♪ They keep breaking me down ♪
2957
01:34:54,833 --> 01:35:00,833
♪ Shaking me, taking me ♪
2958
01:35:00,917 --> 01:35:04,792
♪ Total hypocrisy ♪
2959
01:35:04,875 --> 01:35:08,708
♪ Teaching me lies ♪
2960
01:35:08,792 --> 01:35:12,583
♪ Spirituality ♪
2961
01:35:12,667 --> 01:35:16,667
♪ Through human eyes ♪
2962
01:35:16,750 --> 01:35:20,708
♪ Total confusion ♪
2963
01:35:20,792 --> 01:35:24,583
♪ No right or wrong ♪
2964
01:35:24,667 --> 01:35:27,875
♪ Keeping the people ♪
2965
01:35:27,958 --> 01:35:32,708
♪ From where they belong ♪
2966
01:35:32,792 --> 01:35:36,625
♪ Refusing to speak ♪
2967
01:35:36,708 --> 01:35:40,542
♪ Afraid to upset ♪
2968
01:35:40,625 --> 01:35:44,042
♪ Spending the rest
2969
01:35:40,625 --> 01:35:44,042
of your life ♪
2970
01:35:44,125 --> 01:35:48,208
♪ Oh, in total regret ♪
2971
01:35:48,292 --> 01:35:52,083
♪ This emotional force ♪
2972
01:35:52,167 --> 01:35:55,833
♪ Keeps conforming my mind ♪
2973
01:35:55,917 --> 01:36:00,375
♪ Keeping me blind,
2974
01:35:55,917 --> 01:36:00,375
keeping me blind ♪
2975
01:36:00,458 --> 01:36:04,333
♪ Keeping me blind ♪
2976
01:36:04,417 --> 01:36:08,250
♪ From the reality ♪
2977
01:36:08,333 --> 01:36:11,875
♪ Of what's being done, yeah ♪
2978
01:36:11,958 --> 01:36:15,833
♪ I keep playing the fool ♪
2979
01:36:15,917 --> 01:36:19,500
♪ To help everyone ♪
2980
01:36:19,583 --> 01:36:23,917
♪ These damnable heresies ♪
2981
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,167
♪ Sold into slavery ♪
2982
01:36:28,250 --> 01:36:30,250
♪ By my insecurities ♪
2983
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:35,417
♪ Oh, they keep
2984
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:35,417
taking me down ♪
2985
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:40,042
♪ Shaking me down,
2986
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:40,042
down, down ♪
2987
01:36:40,125 --> 01:36:42,708
♪ Taking me down ♪
2988
01:36:42,792 --> 01:36:48,292
♪ They keep taking me,
2989
01:36:42,792 --> 01:36:48,292
breaking me ♪
2990
01:36:48,375 --> 01:36:51,250
♪ Making me ♪
2991
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:55,417
♪ These damnable heresies ♪
2992
01:36:55,500 --> 01:37:00,042
♪ Sold into slavery ♪
2993
01:37:00,125 --> 01:37:02,083
♪ By my insecurities ♪
2994
01:37:02,167 --> 01:37:05,125
♪ Oh, they keep taking me ♪