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Tonight on
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"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion...
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Lisa screaming that Meredith had
sex with half of New York--
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what was your reaction
to that rant?
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Sharrieff, did you ever question
where the money came from?
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- Just pile on.
- Bitch.
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Don't call me bitch.
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- You are a bitch!
- Ahh.
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You're being charged with fraud
and money laundering.
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Do any of you think
she's guilty?
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Do we get a real break now?
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Can we talk or no?
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Well, I don't think we can talk
off camera right now
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in the middle of this.
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I'm gonna go to the restroom
really quick.
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We're resetting
for the husbands, right?
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I wanna go
to the restroom also.
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What?
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No.
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Thank you.
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I did not ever mean to hurt you.
I understand that hurting you
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hurts Seth, Reid, Chloe,
and Brooks.
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You spoke poorly
of my whole family.
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Uh, and--and...
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And I was like--
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What would I say about
your renovation?
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I didn't talk about your house, Lisa.
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That's what I told,
and I was, you know--
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Okay, so you have a ugly house,
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so you should rip
my character to shreds.
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Okay. Wonderful.
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- That's good for you.
- Yep, love you guys.
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Yep, love you back, brother.
Love you back.
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I wish you were here in person.
I'm so sad that you're not here.
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It's intense, you know?
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Fair enough.
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Can I just see something
in your camera?
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Okay.
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Can you see okay?
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Rolling in five, four,
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three, two...
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We are back
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with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City."
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You know what they say?
Behind every strong woman
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is a man who just wants
the wives to get along
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so he can play golf...
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...or...something like that.
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Let's say hi to
the house husbands. Hey, guys.
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- Hello.
- Hey, hey.
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Great to see you. Seth,
I'm sorry that you're not here.
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I know that COVID
is keeping us apart.
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Are you still in Mississippi
part-time?
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Yes. Loving it.
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- Has Meredith come to visit?
- She actually has.
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Wow, I'd like to see that.
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-
- Hey.
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John, we all know
that it was your big plan
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to mess up Angie's catering.
Why'd you do it?
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You know what? I don't know.
I'm just that type of person.
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Yeah, you seem--you seem to be
nothing but drama.
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- Um, hey, Sharrieff.
- Andy.
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Jen been using that megaphone
in the bedroom?
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- Thankfully, no.
- Right.
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No.
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- Thankfully.
- Uh, Duy, how's it going?
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Hello, Andy.
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It's been an interesting ride
watching you.
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How has it been received
at work?
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Oh, my goodness. Um,
there's been no applications
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for sister wives.
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Okay.
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You made the joke.
I didn't want to.
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I didn't want Jennie
to come after me,
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but you're clearly fine
joking about it.
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- We're trying.
- There you go.
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Justin, when Whitney re-enacted
having sex in an interview,
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would you say that was
an accurate description?
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Everything Whitney does
is an accurate description.
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Have you since
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upped the quota
from two times a week?
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Um, no, we're pretty solid
two times a week.
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Whitney, maybe a sore subject,
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but how much of Justin
and your savings
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did you use
to rebrand the business?
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We took half of our savings
and put it into this,
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and I'm figuring out how we're
gonna get that money back.
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I have spent my family's
entire savings plus some.
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Upwards of hundreds
of thousands.
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You have to be accountable.
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Um...well, when talking
about the money,
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it's bigger
than just the rebrand.
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I had bought
my business partner out,
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so that's part of the lump sum,
and how much was it, babe?
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- It was, like, half.
- Well, I think--I think
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the important thing--
it was a savings account
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that was liquid,
available for us to buy a cabin.
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- It's not our entire savings.
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And so, yeah, she took
a lot of it out,
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but Whitney is the best
investment I've ever made, so...
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- Aw.
- Aw.
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The rate of return is better
than anything else
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I can get out there.
- Aw.
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- How deep in are you?
- We're pretty deep in,
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but her business is doing great.
- Is it?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah, just January
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compared to last year,
I'm up 540%.
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And we carry all of her products
at Beauty Lab,
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and they sell out
as soon as we get them in.
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Lizzie from Houston said,
"Whitney, did you feel guilty
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knowing Justin's
20 years older than you,
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and you're squandering
his retirement?
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Now he has to work
until the day he dies."
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Listen,
I am his retirement plan,
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and like I said, I'm profiting,
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and I'm putting
the money back in.
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Great.
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Seth, you--you commented
on Whitney's cleavage
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quite a bit this season.
- Oh, my gosh.
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You set the bar for cleavage.
I've been talking to Meredith
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about getting
the Whitney augmentation.
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Oh!
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That is art in its purest form.
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I mean, Whitney,
was that awkward for you,
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or was it--is it part
of your rapport with Seth?
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No, the first couple times
it was funny,
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and then I was like,
this is becoming a thing.
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And I think I made my point by
showing up with a titty cake.
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Right.
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I know that you have a certain
appreciation for my cleavage.
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I thought
I'd give you a mouthful.
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So you'll never have
to hear it again.
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Ohh!
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Justin, anything you wanna say
to Seth?
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You know what?
No, I-I actually--
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It's--It's a--I know
where it comes from with Seth.
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If you hang
around Seth long enough--
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I think I know where
it comes from, too.
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Well, I just--I took it in
the light that Seth brought it.
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Seth, we've really come through
a very intense conversation
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between your wife and Lisa.
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Seeing the clip of Lisa
screaming that Meredith
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had sex with half of New York
and you know, questioning
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why you don't own a house
and saying that you change jobs
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every five minutes, what was
your reaction to that rant?
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Everything this season,
I think, Andy--
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and I'm a big sports guy--
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nobody played through pain
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more than Meredith Marks did
this year.
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Second day Dad passed away,
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and our family
and Meredith especially
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never got a chance to grieve
and heal,
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and the worst thing that
could ever happen
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is to have cameras in her face
during this time,
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and I commend her
for getting through it,
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and all I tried to do is make
an ass out of myself
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to distract the heaviness.
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Um... I-I totally get that.
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What was your reaction
to hearing Lisa say that
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she had had sex
with half of New York?
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Did she mention the part that
I had sex with the other half?
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Oh, my God.
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It's disheartening.
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Friendships go through
a lot of different chapters.
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I'm super hopeful 'cause I
know John and Lisa super well,
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and I hope that everyone can
do what we gotta do to heal.
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John, how did it feel
hearing your wife
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say that stuff about Meredith?
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You know, it was a little--
It was tough.
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That's not how Lisa normally is.
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As soon as she saw it,
she broke down.
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Uh, she holds Meredith
dear to her heart,
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and she wouldn't wanna say that
about anybody
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on the stage right now,
and especially Meredith.
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Duy, I gotta talk to you
because, um,
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you and Jennie shared
a real experience of trauma
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when you talked about the birth
of your stillborn daughter.
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- We went to a hospital.
- Uh-huh.
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And we hooked you up.
Everything was good.
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Next thing you know,
monitor flatlines.
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She didn't make it.
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You know, when her birthday
comes around...
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it hurts.
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Do you really, Duy, think
that having more children
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will ever make up for that?
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That's a very valid question.
It's...
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Family planning has always
been a factor.
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We've struggled since 2008.
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It's an experience
that I don't wish upon anybody,
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and I don't think
that any parent
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should ever have to be
burying their children.
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But the challenge is you guys
saw a little window
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of how awesome our children are.
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Wouldn't the world be nicer
if we had more of that?
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More kindness,
more, you know, beauty.
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I get it,
and you expressed that,
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and you express it well,
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but there's a disconnect
with the viewers.
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Elizabeth from New York asked
a really, really good question
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that you really
have to think about.
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She says, "Duy,
as a medical professional,
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knowing the physical
and emotional trauma
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that Jennie has endured
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with nine miscarriages
and losing a baby,
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how can you justify
pressuring her
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to literally risk her life
for another child,
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much less her emotional stress?"
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Very good question,
and the reality is,
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I worship this woman,
and at no point
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did I ever ask Jennie
to get pregnant again.
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Did you consider adoption
or a surrogate?
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Yeah, we did.
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We did consider adoption
after my daughter passed away,
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and we were gonna adopt
two twins. Um...
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- Okay.
- But, you know, life dealt us
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with a different hand,
and it didn't work out.
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But Duy still hasn't
changed his mind.
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You, um, asked Jennie
for a sister wife.
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How long had you been
considering that as an option
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or thinking about that
in your mind?
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You know, I--It's one
of those things where I
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haven't been planning on it
at all.
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- Okay.
- But it was just one
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of those things where it was
like, look, I need--
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we're all businesspeople here,
and in business,
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sometimes we put
our emotions aside
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and just think logical
or just want results.
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And that moment,
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it's like,
"Look, baby, I want results."
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Coming up...
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This is a tweet from somebody
named Ugly Adjacent--
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says, "Why does Sharrieff
not getting the same energy
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as Erika Jayne?
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Do you ever question where
the money came from?
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We're all businesspeople here.
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And in business, sometimes we
put our emotion aside
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and just think logical
or just want results.
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And that moment, it's like,
"Look, baby, I want results."
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Unfortunately, I did not
consider my wife's emotion
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at the time.
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I was just like,
"Let's get results.
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Let's get more children. How are
we gonna go about doing this?"
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And this has taken you
to the brink, right?
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- Your marriage.
- Yes.
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I...at one point, I told him,
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"You need to go get help
because if you continue
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with this sister wife thing,
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this relationship
will not work."
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And he agreed. He's like,
"I will go get help."
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And are you getting help?
Yes.
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- And you feel it is helping?
- Very helpful.
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- Oh, great. That's great.
- Oh, that's amazing.
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Have any of the other couples
been to therapy?
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I'm assuming that you two have, yes.
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- Well, we have.
- You have.
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Yes. This is just--
I need to say this.
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- Okay.
- Because it's too important.
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Please, please, recognize,
I'm just saying for men,
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particularly for Black men,
therapy is good for us.
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- Yeah.
- And therapy has been
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a huge stigma for therapists
in African American communities
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that we don't seek them out,
so if I can tell anybody,
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therapy has been a blessing.
- Yeah.
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Go get it. We need it,
just like you.
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You lift weights. You do
everything to--for your body.
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- You need therapy.
- Yeah.
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There needs to be somebody
who's trained
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to help you for your mind.
- Yeah.
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And let me interject,
for Asians, the same way.
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- Yeah.
- You know, growing up in Asia,
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we don't ever go to therapy.
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You know, we hurt as well,
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and that's never been identified.
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So therapy has been
very, very helpful.
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So please go.
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Okay, I wanna switch gears
for a minute.
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Sharrieff,
walk us through the moment
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you found out
about Jen's arrest.
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Well, I, uh,
was with an assistant.
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I had some, uh, personal health
issues that I was dealing with,
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and I was being examined.
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One of my assistants had
my phone and called my wife.
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Within 25 minutes
of hanging up,
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I received a phone call
from Homeland Security.
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- And my heart just stopped.
- Wow.
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So I began making my way home,
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where I found
law enforcement officers
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all throughout my house
with guns,
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some of which
pointed at my baby.
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So the call that you got, Jen,
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that was a real call.
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That was a real call.
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Hi, baby.
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No, not yet. We're still--
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We're at Beauty Lab + Laser
in the parking lot.
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I need to go to the house?
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Okay.
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- I have some bad news.
- What's going on?
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I just got a phone call,
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and Sharrieff Sr.'s
in the hospital.
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Yeah, absolutely.
301
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Sharrieff--he does not
go to the doctor,
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and we had been arguing about--
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I'm like, "You need to go.
You need to go."
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And this was like
the fourth or fifth checkup.
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Did you have internal bleeding?
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I'll tell you this much.
I've had a history of, uh,
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unfortunately,
some rectal bleeding.
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And at this particular time,
I was, um...
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bleeding so much that
the doctor thought
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it was important, so I wanted
to let, you know, her know, um,
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so the internal bleeding
was more, I guess,
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gastro internal bleeding.
- Right.
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Yes, that's accurate.
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So I asked, "Can you un-mic me?
I need to go
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try to figure out is he okay?
What's happening?"
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I mean, the speculation was that
you got tipped off by someone.
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Right, yeah. No. Uh, if--Hey,
if I would've got tipped off,
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I wouldn't have waited around...
for, like--
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- She was there for a while.
- I mean, there was
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a period of time that, you know?
- Right. Right.
321
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So, yeah, that's the phone call
that I got.
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So when you got a call
at the hospital
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from the Homeland Security,
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is that when you called Jen...
- No.
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...to say Homeland Security
was coming?
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00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:43,665
No, I never talked to her.
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Did your assistant say,
"I'm at the hospital with Coach,
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and Homeland Security's
coming."
329
00:14:47,321 --> 00:14:50,280
No. He just told her exactly
what I was going through.
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- He didn't know that yet.
- And then Homeland Security
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called you after
your assistant called Jen
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and said, "We're at your house."
333
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- Correct.
- Got it.
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- That's the sequence.
- Got it.
335
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- Correct.
- Okay.
336
00:15:01,683 --> 00:15:03,163
Just wanna make sure.
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Sharrieff, how did it feel
watching the women's response
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to Jen's arrest?
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00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:10,779
None of us are safe
unless we know the facts.
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00:15:10,822 --> 00:15:13,042
Today one of my friends
mentioned something to me,
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which was that she's
red-flagged in the system
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of Louis Vuitton
because she pays in cash.
343
00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:21,964
I ordered an Uber for my house
the other night
344
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and physically put her in
the Uber, sent her on her way,
345
00:15:24,358 --> 00:15:26,403
and she had gotten out,
like, a half mile away.
346
00:15:26,447 --> 00:15:27,796
I don't know what happened
that night,
347
00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:30,190
but I just wanted to check
with somebody and see
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if they met up with her.
349
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You think she's meeting up
with another guy?
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Uh, unbelievably painful.
351
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It hurt.
352
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I mean, I couldn't even
watch it.
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00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:42,724
- It hurt.
- Coach watched it.
354
00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,030
- Yeah, she didn't--
- And he's like,
355
00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:45,466
"You wanna know
who's saying what?"
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00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:46,858
I was like...
Wait, hold on.
357
00:15:46,902 --> 00:15:48,121
- Yeah.
- I'm sure you expected.
358
00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:51,472
- Right, but not to the extent.
- Right.
359
00:15:51,515 --> 00:15:54,779
- I did not expect that from...
- Right.
360
00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:56,912
We've been talking about rumors
361
00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:58,740
and everything all night.
I mean, have--have you two
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00:15:58,783 --> 00:16:07,227
had, um, cr-crises
of infidelity in your marriage?
363
00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:10,795
- No.
- No?
364
00:16:12,232 --> 00:16:15,322
Um...this is a tweet from
someone named Ugly Adjacent.
365
00:16:15,365 --> 00:16:18,412
Says, "Why is Sharrieff
not getting the same energy
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00:16:18,455 --> 00:16:20,240
as Erika Jayne?
367
00:16:20,283 --> 00:16:22,938
Was he not confused about
where all the designer clothing
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00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,027
and million-dollar lifestyle
came from?
369
00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:26,376
It doesn't add up."
370
00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:30,815
Did you ever question
where the money came from?
371
00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:33,383
No, my wife has worked
for 20-plus years,
372
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:36,473
and so much of what people
may see in her closet,
373
00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:38,910
the things that she has
accumulated over 20-plus years,
374
00:16:38,954 --> 00:16:40,869
it didn't come just yesterday.
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00:16:40,912 --> 00:16:42,131
It's been amassed over
the years.
376
00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:44,133
Accurate.
377
00:16:44,177 --> 00:16:45,700
Was there ever a point
where you worried
378
00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:48,094
that you were somehow
implicated in it
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00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:51,053
because you've benefited
from the lifestyle?
380
00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:54,056
No. No. I've worked
my whole life. No.
381
00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,060
You know, no. I-I have not,
not at one point.
382
00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:00,106
Like, oh, my God. Maybe I'm
gonna be under investigat--
383
00:17:00,149 --> 00:17:02,978
Never. Never, you know?
384
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,894
We've been dealing with this now
for almost a year,
385
00:17:05,937 --> 00:17:08,679
and it has been painful
every day,
386
00:17:08,723 --> 00:17:11,378
but I have not worried
that it had any issue--
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00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:14,424
any issue about myself.
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00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:16,731
Sharrieff, after the charges,
was there ever a conversation
389
00:17:16,774 --> 00:17:19,516
that you had with Jen where
you doubted her or said,
390
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,476
"Was there anything improper
that happened in your business?"
391
00:17:27,916 --> 00:17:29,874
You're being charged
with fraud and money laundering.
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00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,876
And then you're innocent
until proven guilty,
393
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,357
and because I'm charged, she
puts a blanket statement out?
394
00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:38,057
We've never had a conversation
about my businesses.
395
00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:45,020
Sharrieff, after the charges,
was there ever a conversation
396
00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:48,676
that you had with Jen
where you doubted her or said,
397
00:17:48,719 --> 00:17:51,940
"Was there anything improper
that happened in your business?"
398
00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:54,769
- No.
- No?
399
00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:57,641
No. No. No.
400
00:17:57,685 --> 00:18:00,818
I looked at her, and I told her,
I said, "Listen,
401
00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:05,258
this is going to be tough,
tough, and whatever it is,
402
00:18:05,301 --> 00:18:07,173
we're gonna deal with it."
403
00:18:07,216 --> 00:18:12,047
And there was a consensus
among, um, the friend group
404
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,136
that they didn't totally
ever understand
405
00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:17,008
what it is that she did.
406
00:18:17,052 --> 00:18:18,488
Have you understood?
407
00:18:18,532 --> 00:18:21,143
What was your understanding
of what her job was?
408
00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:23,667
Well, my wife has done
a few things.
409
00:18:23,711 --> 00:18:26,670
Obviously, she's into beauty.
She's into fashion.
410
00:18:26,714 --> 00:18:29,543
Right, that's what she does.
What she did prior to that,
411
00:18:29,586 --> 00:18:31,545
I can't even begin
to elaborate on,
412
00:18:31,588 --> 00:18:34,461
because it deals with her case.
413
00:18:34,504 --> 00:18:36,202
Did I understand it? I did.
414
00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:37,638
- You did?
- I did.
415
00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:39,770
And I wanna say something.
It was very hurtful
416
00:18:39,814 --> 00:18:43,513
to see people like Whitney
speculating on what I do
417
00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:46,560
and my business
is less than par.
418
00:18:46,603 --> 00:18:48,344
Why would she take advantage
of the elderly, though?
419
00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:50,607
So when you buy data,
you can actually select
420
00:18:50,651 --> 00:18:53,697
what demographic you want.
- Yeah, correct.
421
00:18:53,741 --> 00:18:55,395
So they would collect
vulnerable people,
422
00:18:55,438 --> 00:18:58,137
get 'em on a subscription,
get their credit card charged
423
00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:59,399
every month,
and they can't get off of it.
424
00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:01,879
I have busted my ass from zero.
425
00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:03,229
I'm sure you know what
that feels like, right?
426
00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:05,883
- Yeah, absolutely.
- From zero.
427
00:19:05,927 --> 00:19:09,191
So it was very hurtful, and you
have never taken the time
428
00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:11,280
to sit down with me
one and one and say--
429
00:19:11,324 --> 00:19:13,500
we've never had a conversation
about my businesses.
430
00:19:13,543 --> 00:19:15,545
Yeah, but you're being charged
with fraud and money laundering.
431
00:19:15,589 --> 00:19:17,504
And you're innocent
until proven guilty
432
00:19:17,547 --> 00:19:19,462
and because I'm charged
with that,
433
00:19:19,506 --> 00:19:21,551
she puts a blanket statement out
that, oh, Jen's doing this
434
00:19:21,595 --> 00:19:23,118
and she's setting up companies
and this is why?
435
00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,685
- I didn't--I--
- She said that
436
00:19:24,728 --> 00:19:26,469
this is what this is.
- Yeah.
437
00:19:26,513 --> 00:19:28,906
She explained what
lead generation was, not you.
438
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:30,560
I will apologize
for speculating.
439
00:19:30,604 --> 00:19:32,214
I was just reading
the indictment and explaining,
440
00:19:32,258 --> 00:19:35,217
'cause I did understand
to some degree.
441
00:19:35,261 --> 00:19:36,740
I mean, how would you feel
if everybody--
442
00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:39,830
Justin has an FTC thing
out there, and everybody's like,
443
00:19:39,874 --> 00:19:41,832
automatically, "Oh, my gosh,
that means--"
444
00:19:41,876 --> 00:19:45,314
no wonder why you set up
IRIS+BEAU. No wonder why."
445
00:19:45,358 --> 00:19:47,142
- Like, that's the same thing.
- Yeah, it's sh--ty.
446
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:48,709
I'm sorry for doing that.
447
00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:51,320
You've been embroiled
in a lawsuit, Justin,
448
00:19:51,364 --> 00:19:54,105
that alleges that your company
is a pyramid scheme.
449
00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:55,933
Anything you can say about that?
450
00:19:55,977 --> 00:19:57,326
I mean, it's--it's a lawsuit
that was put out there
451
00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:59,241
four years ago.
452
00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:01,243
My name was quickly removed
from it.
453
00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:03,027
Uh, but it still lives
out there,
454
00:20:03,071 --> 00:20:06,335
and it's, uh, our--our company
is fighting it vigorously.
455
00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:07,771
It's still in litigation?
456
00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:09,425
It's, well, it just lives
out there. There's--
457
00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:11,035
There hasn't been
a lot of movement
458
00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:12,602
through the last couple years.
459
00:20:12,646 --> 00:20:14,604
And I wanna add to that.
I don't understand
460
00:20:14,648 --> 00:20:18,913
why it is so groundbreaking
that Jen, the Brown girl,
461
00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:20,958
and her Black husband--
how do they get all this money?
462
00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:23,787
Oh, my gosh. It must be
through something illegal.
463
00:20:23,831 --> 00:20:25,528
Why is that the first place
it goes?
464
00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:26,834
Because let me
tell you something.
465
00:20:26,877 --> 00:20:29,445
My husband--
he has three degrees.
466
00:20:29,489 --> 00:20:31,926
My husband was an attorney,
okay?
467
00:20:31,969 --> 00:20:34,015
He was an attorney for what,
babe, 15 years?
468
00:20:34,058 --> 00:20:36,539
- 13, baby.
- 13 years, okay?
469
00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:39,499
Out of those 13 years,
he was a certified NFL agent.
470
00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:41,370
Seth, you know how much
they make, right?
471
00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:42,632
- Yeah.
- Okay.
472
00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:45,156
I wish I was one.
473
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,984
- You know?
- I think that the viewers
474
00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:49,378
didn't understand what you did
and thought,
475
00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,206
"Well, he's an assistant coach."
476
00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,642
They think
he's a Little League coach.
477
00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:54,296
- They think...
- Little League.
478
00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:55,993
...that you're both living off
the job of an assistant coach
479
00:20:56,037 --> 00:20:57,386
because they don't understand
what you do.
480
00:20:57,430 --> 00:21:01,260
No. My husband is a D1 coach
in the Pac-12.
481
00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:02,696
We just played in the Rose Bowl.
482
00:21:02,739 --> 00:21:04,480
- Yeah.
- This isn't Little League.
483
00:21:04,524 --> 00:21:08,441
Um, John, when Lisa got the text
from Jen after the arrest,
484
00:21:08,484 --> 00:21:10,312
you thought it would be
a good idea for them to talk,
485
00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:13,489
but were you surprised
Lisa needed time?
486
00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:14,882
No, I'm not surprised
Lisa needed time.
487
00:21:14,925 --> 00:21:18,712
I think there was
some back and forth after the--
488
00:21:18,755 --> 00:21:20,844
what was it, the photo shoot
that Lisa was still--
489
00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:22,411
felt a little hurt from.
490
00:21:22,455 --> 00:21:23,978
You know, everybody's entitled
to feel hurt
491
00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:25,327
and have some healing time.
492
00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:27,982
Um, I did tell her not to wait
very long
493
00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:29,505
because it's harder
to pick up the phone
494
00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:32,682
after, you know, weeks
than it days or hours.
495
00:21:32,726 --> 00:21:35,468
Right. I guess you're referring
to the fight where,
496
00:21:35,511 --> 00:21:37,644
uh, Lisa had said that she was
driving in the car
497
00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:39,298
with your sons and Jen called...
498
00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:40,951
- He was in there, too.
- Yeah.
499
00:21:40,995 --> 00:21:43,476
...and proceeded to scream
at her on speakerphone.
500
00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,000
What--What was your reaction
when you heard that?
501
00:21:46,043 --> 00:21:50,439
I was hysterical, crying,
so they were all trying to--
502
00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:51,832
It's not like you haven't done
that to me
503
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:53,703
many, many times, so...
- Well, what I--what I was
504
00:21:53,747 --> 00:21:55,488
gonna say is that my reaction--
there wasn't much
505
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,881
of a reaction
because I've been in the room
506
00:21:57,925 --> 00:22:01,276
when Lisa and Jen have talked
both positively and negatively.
507
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,060
They're two firecrackers that
are going off at the same time.
508
00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:04,540
So my reaction was more like,
509
00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:06,629
"Okay,
let's just let it blow over,
510
00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:08,239
and then you guys
can talk again."
511
00:22:08,283 --> 00:22:11,242
Sharrieff, what did you think
of Lisa ignoring Jen's calls
512
00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:12,940
after the arrest?
513
00:22:12,983 --> 00:22:14,811
Very candidly, of all the people
514
00:22:14,855 --> 00:22:18,380
I thought would respond
the quickest or the soonest,
515
00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:23,907
I thought it would have
been Lisa, so I was sad,
516
00:22:23,951 --> 00:22:29,130
and for Heather to show up,
uh, it literally made me cry.
517
00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:31,262
- Aw.
- It--It was overwhelming.
518
00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:33,613
Because the only thing my wife
needed in that moment was, um,
519
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:38,052
a friend, you know, nobody to
judge, to say anything,
520
00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:39,575
to what--"Girl, I'm here."
521
00:22:39,619 --> 00:22:41,490
You know, I was talking to Jen
about it earlier,
522
00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:46,756
and facing 50 years,
I mean, this is...
523
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,584
I-I can't even put it
into words.
524
00:22:48,628 --> 00:22:50,891
How do you stay optimistic?
525
00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:53,763
You don't have a choice.
You just don't.
526
00:22:53,807 --> 00:22:58,115
'Cause the other choice is
to absolutely roll over.
527
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:01,031
You know, I've literally picked
my wife up.
528
00:23:01,075 --> 00:23:04,687
You know, there were days that
she won't turn over.
529
00:23:04,731 --> 00:23:08,865
She just stays...in the bed
with the covers over her head,
530
00:23:08,909 --> 00:23:10,737
and she's like,
"I'm not getting out of bed.
531
00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:13,783
I won't move.
People hate me anyway.
532
00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:16,482
They all think
that I've done this bad thing,"
533
00:23:16,525 --> 00:23:20,442
and to have my youngest son
come in like clockwork--
534
00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:23,140
"Mommy, I love you.
535
00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:26,448
I need you to get up 'cause
Daddy said you have to get up."
536
00:23:26,492 --> 00:23:28,232
Right?
537
00:23:28,276 --> 00:23:29,625
'Cause that's what he says,
'cause if I leave early,
538
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:31,845
then it's his time.
- Right.
539
00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:33,324
- And my baby will go to her.
- Yeah.
540
00:23:33,368 --> 00:23:34,630
And she'll listen to him.
541
00:23:34,674 --> 00:23:36,676
She may not listen
the first seven times to me,
542
00:23:36,719 --> 00:23:38,417
but the first kiss
that he gives her,
543
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:42,290
she will almost bloom like
a rose, and she will open up.
544
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,074
Say, "Okay, baby.
I'm gonna get up."
545
00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:45,989
And I tell him,
"Tell Mommy that you're hungry
546
00:23:46,033 --> 00:23:47,643
so that she can get up
and make you something to eat."
547
00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:50,733
Because if he says, "Mom,
I'm fine," she'll stay there.
548
00:23:50,777 --> 00:23:53,649
And then several hours
will pass, and she hasn't moved.
549
00:23:53,693 --> 00:23:55,999
That's--That's dealing with this
every day.
550
00:23:56,043 --> 00:23:57,871
This cloud will not go away
until my wife
551
00:23:57,914 --> 00:23:59,873
is vindicated
through this trial.
552
00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:01,918
It's, uh, at times, unfathomable.
553
00:24:01,962 --> 00:24:03,746
Are you gonna be there
for the trial?
554
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:06,662
Sir, yes, sir, to the extent
that I am able to.
555
00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:09,491
- Yeah.
- Yeah. Yeah.
556
00:24:09,535 --> 00:24:11,101
Well, thank you
for your openness,
557
00:24:11,145 --> 00:24:12,755
for your honesty about that.
558
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:16,063
So, fellas, uh, what's the plan
for Mother's Day next year?
559
00:24:16,106 --> 00:24:18,500
You going to the island
in "Squid Games," maybe?
560
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:21,329
- That sounds appropriate.
- Yes.
561
00:24:21,372 --> 00:24:23,723
Uh, guys, it was great
seeing you,
562
00:24:23,766 --> 00:24:25,812
and we're gonna be right back
after this.
563
00:24:25,855 --> 00:24:27,291
- Thanks, guys.
- This was fun.
564
00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:28,945
Thank you very much.
565
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:30,294
Coming up...
566
00:24:30,338 --> 00:24:33,472
The Ring footage of your kids
was so upsetting,
567
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:35,517
and we don't know
if Stuart's kids
568
00:24:35,561 --> 00:24:37,824
were put through the same.
569
00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:41,523
Have you talked to him
since the arrest?
570
00:24:47,442 --> 00:24:51,446
Back with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.
571
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:52,926
I'm Andy Cohen.
572
00:24:52,969 --> 00:24:56,233
Now during the break, you just
had a big Kumbaya moment
573
00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:59,193
with Whitney and Heather.
- I gave them hugs.
574
00:24:59,236 --> 00:25:01,369
Okay, I gotta hug you guys.
575
00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:08,550
You gotta stop. You gotta
know me before you say stuff.
576
00:25:08,594 --> 00:25:11,553
Do I get a hug,
or is it just Heather?
577
00:25:11,597 --> 00:25:15,470
- Do I not get a hug?
- Yes, you do, but...
578
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,907
I have put time in.
579
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:19,953
Why?
580
00:25:19,996 --> 00:25:22,303
Because we should work
on things.
581
00:25:22,346 --> 00:25:25,262
I think we left
the end of the season great.
582
00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:26,612
- Right.
- I think, um,
583
00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:29,223
we had a lot of fun in Zion's,
584
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,138
and we're getting
to know each other.
585
00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,835
I feel like that's, like,
where we're missing,
586
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:36,883
is we haven't really gotten
to know each other that well.
587
00:25:36,926 --> 00:25:40,060
Well, Heather, you know, you did
end the season well with Lisa.
588
00:25:40,103 --> 00:25:42,018
Absolutely.
589
00:25:42,062 --> 00:25:43,063
And then you came in strong tonight.
590
00:25:43,106 --> 00:25:44,630
Because I thought she was
591
00:25:44,673 --> 00:25:48,285
going to come in contrite
and horrified, and, um,
592
00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:51,288
with her hat in her hand,
and then when she came in
593
00:25:51,332 --> 00:25:53,639
continuing to do
her daily affirmations
594
00:25:53,682 --> 00:25:55,466
of how she's a good person,
how she's perfect,
595
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:58,513
how she does it right,
how she was justified,
596
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,081
I--it triggered me.
- Right.
597
00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:03,997
It triggered me because
I basically--
598
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,304
I just want to be in the ugly
with you.
599
00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:08,392
- Yeah.
- You know?
600
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:09,611
I feel like we're both trying.
601
00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:11,526
Lisa is the reason
that I'm on this couch.
602
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:14,964
I have never forgotten that,
and I feel like you have--
603
00:26:15,008 --> 00:26:17,445
Well, so am I.
Don't leave me out.
604
00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:19,099
- Meredith, truth. You know what?
- I recommended you.
605
00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:20,579
Because at first
Lisa only claimed me,
606
00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:24,017
'cause you didn't, but the truth
is Meredith was like,
607
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,409
"Heather, I recommended you
as well,"
608
00:26:25,453 --> 00:26:28,238
'cause we would do Sundance
together--us three.
609
00:26:28,282 --> 00:26:30,197
- Um--
- And I still feel allegiance
610
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,025
to that threesome.
611
00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:34,288
I also thought maybe
I saw some thawing
612
00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:36,420
between the two of you.
613
00:26:36,464 --> 00:26:38,640
I think it's gonna take
more work.
614
00:26:38,684 --> 00:26:41,556
I mean, Meredith was mad
at Jen for a year
615
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,123
over liking a tweet.
616
00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:44,777
She's gonna be mad at you
for, like, seven.
617
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:46,430
I mean, you've got--Like, if we
do the math on this one, Jen,
618
00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:48,041
what's your prediction?
- Seven.
619
00:26:48,084 --> 00:26:51,958
Um, I actually do not
hold grudges.
620
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,481
I establish boundaries
621
00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:56,005
based on behavior
to protect myself.
622
00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:57,528
Okay.
623
00:26:57,572 --> 00:26:59,792
And, Jen, so you know,
it was not about liking a tweet.
624
00:26:59,835 --> 00:27:02,533
There were things that
I read in that indictment
625
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:05,014
that trigger all sorts
of stuff for me.
626
00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:06,581
So that's why I was talking
627
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,191
about the things
I was talking about.
628
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,803
It wasn't about being mean.
I wasn't wishing you ill.
629
00:27:10,846 --> 00:27:12,282
Well, we're gonna--
630
00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:14,154
It was I needed a boundary
to protect myself.
631
00:27:14,197 --> 00:27:16,635
Okay, well,
we're gonna get into it.
632
00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:18,332
It is time to talk about
the most dramatic thing
633
00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:22,336
to ever happen
in the Beauty Lab parking lot.
634
00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:24,338
- Why are the police there?
- N.Y.P.D.?
635
00:27:24,381 --> 00:27:26,253
We're looking for Jen Shah.
636
00:27:26,296 --> 00:27:28,255
She just left.
637
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,605
Holy sh--.
What the is going on?
638
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,128
Take me back.
639
00:27:32,172 --> 00:27:34,435
You leave Beauty Lab + Laser
parking lot.
640
00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:36,437
- Yeah.
- ...to go to the hospital.
641
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,481
Right.
642
00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,222
How long were you
on the road then
643
00:27:39,266 --> 00:27:41,572
before you got pulled over
by the cops?
644
00:27:41,616 --> 00:27:43,226
Maybe 20 minutes.
645
00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:44,750
Did they arrest you and read you
your Miranda rights right there?
646
00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:47,666
No. They just said,
"We wanna talk to you."
647
00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:49,276
I said, "What's going on?"
And they said,
648
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,408
"Come with us,
and we'll explain it."
649
00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:53,367
And they took you
into the court building
650
00:27:53,410 --> 00:27:55,761
and took you
right into a courtroom?
651
00:27:55,804 --> 00:27:57,197
- Yes.
- So they--
652
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,242
So they said I needed
to see the judge,
653
00:27:59,286 --> 00:28:00,200
and that's when they said,
"He'll explain."
654
00:28:00,243 --> 00:28:02,071
I didn't know anything.
655
00:28:02,115 --> 00:28:03,899
Did you say,
"Am I under arrest? Am I...
656
00:28:03,943 --> 00:28:05,553
Can I call my lawyer?"
657
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:06,859
They said I was under arrest,
and I said, "For what?"
658
00:28:06,902 --> 00:28:08,469
They said you were under arrest.
659
00:28:08,512 --> 00:28:11,733
Right, and then that's when
an attorney came in and said,
660
00:28:11,777 --> 00:28:14,257
"The judge is gonna come out,
and there's been an indictment,"
661
00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:17,173
and that's--at that point
is when I found out
662
00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:18,740
what the charges were.
663
00:28:18,784 --> 00:28:21,743
And your initial reaction
to the charges was?
664
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,485
Um, shock.
665
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:27,401
Did they say,
"We are charging you
666
00:28:27,444 --> 00:28:30,578
with fraud
and money laundering,
667
00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:33,886
and you are--"
that you could face 50 years?
668
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,236
Is that when they tell you that?
669
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:37,759
No. I mean,
I don't remember, really...
670
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,630
- Right.
- ...what happened that day...
671
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,024
or what he said,
but I just remember
672
00:28:42,068 --> 00:28:45,941
that's when I found out
that there was an indictment.
673
00:28:45,985 --> 00:28:49,684
The Ring footage of your kids
was so upsetting,
674
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:54,297
and viewers were really upset
by it.
675
00:28:54,341 --> 00:28:57,561
Why did you give us the footage
and--and want people to see it?
676
00:28:57,605 --> 00:28:59,346
You know, I went back and forth
with this.
677
00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:03,219
I-I talked to Coach about it,
and, um,
678
00:29:03,263 --> 00:29:04,786
because it's extremely traumatizing.
679
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:06,309
Yeah.
680
00:29:06,353 --> 00:29:08,181
But I feel like it's important
for people to see.
681
00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:10,618
- Why?
- For people to see that
682
00:29:10,661 --> 00:29:12,533
it doesn't matter if you live
683
00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:15,797
in a gated community
in Park City.
684
00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:19,801
It doesn't matter what you have.
We're in 2022,
685
00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,324
and this is still happening.
686
00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:23,762
These are how my boys
were treated--
687
00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,633
my nephew, his son, Omar.
688
00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:30,203
One of the things that was
most upsetting is, um...
689
00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:33,119
I didn't know
any of this until that night
690
00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:34,729
when I got home,
691
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,644
and then Coach showed me
the footage
692
00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:41,344
on the security camera,
and I just...
693
00:29:41,388 --> 00:29:45,261
I fell apart to have my son
marched out
694
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,524
like he did something
with his hands up
695
00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:50,832
with rifles pointed at him,
and it made me sick,
696
00:29:50,876 --> 00:29:52,573
'cause I'm like, heaven forbid,
you know, we all wake up
697
00:29:52,616 --> 00:29:54,836
out of sleep, and you might--
I mean, I know I do.
698
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,317
I'll jump and, like,
wait, where am I?
699
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,188
- Yeah.
- And if he would've done that,
700
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:00,886
and the officers took it
the wrong way,
701
00:30:00,929 --> 00:30:03,584
then what would--
what could have happened?
702
00:30:03,627 --> 00:30:08,676
It just made me sick
to my stomach that, you know,
703
00:30:08,719 --> 00:30:12,332
he had to experience that
and my nephew and his wife
704
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,726
and his son that's 12
were there also.
705
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:19,426
And we don't know if Stuart's
kids were put through the same.
706
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,515
We don't know.
707
00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:23,734
Have you talked to him
since the arrest?
708
00:30:23,778 --> 00:30:25,867
No.
709
00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:30,350
You told Heather that you
and Stuart didn't work together.
710
00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:31,742
What is he?
You know what I mean?
711
00:30:31,786 --> 00:30:34,136
- Is he your business partner?
- Well...no, he's--
712
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:35,529
- Is he your assistant? Is he--
- He's not my business partner.
713
00:30:35,572 --> 00:30:37,879
I mean, we're not partners
in any business.
714
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:41,361
We didn't work together in
the businesses that, you know,
715
00:30:41,404 --> 00:30:43,058
were being discussed.
716
00:30:43,102 --> 00:30:45,800
We... Meaning on a daily basis.
717
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,846
I mean, Stuart was not around me
every day,
718
00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,370
which is why I had a lot
of other assistants.
719
00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:51,501
- Right.
- Because he was doing
720
00:30:51,545 --> 00:30:52,807
his own stuff.
He would base his--
721
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,940
You refer to him as more
than a business partner.
722
00:30:54,983 --> 00:30:57,333
He's very loyal.
723
00:30:57,377 --> 00:30:58,900
This account is going good.
724
00:30:58,944 --> 00:31:00,641
The infomercial lead is doing
really, really well.
725
00:31:00,684 --> 00:31:02,208
It's just doing more
than we thought.
726
00:31:02,251 --> 00:31:03,949
See what a good boss I am?
727
00:31:03,992 --> 00:31:05,167
- Feed me?
- I feed you while you work.
728
00:31:05,211 --> 00:31:06,865
While you make me money,
I feed you.
729
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:10,912
It's good. It's a good day.
730
00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,741
Then you said he's not
your business partner.
731
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:15,090
No, meaning, like,
he's been around me
732
00:31:15,134 --> 00:31:18,398
for 10 years, and I'm gonna
take care of people
733
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:22,097
that are around me, so as
I expanded my businesses,
734
00:31:22,141 --> 00:31:23,620
I brought him into that,
you know?
735
00:31:23,664 --> 00:31:25,405
Um, and he always knew that
736
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:27,494
I would always make sure
he was taken care of.
737
00:31:27,537 --> 00:31:29,931
If I could be successful
in something,
738
00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,064
I was gonna bring along
everybody that I felt
739
00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:33,413
had helped me get there.
740
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:36,807
He has changed his plea.
He pled guilty,
741
00:31:36,851 --> 00:31:43,249
uh, which people regard
as being very bad for your case.
742
00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,164
What was your reaction to that?
743
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,954
Coming up...
744
00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,825
You called my husband
a sugar daddy.
745
00:31:54,869 --> 00:31:56,392
That's disrespectful
to Sharrieff.
746
00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,438
- That's just a funny joke.
- No, no, no, no.
747
00:31:58,481 --> 00:32:00,048
You're finding
the one specific detail, but--
748
00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:02,268
Can I talk?
749
00:32:02,311 --> 00:32:03,573
Please.
750
00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:12,017
Stuart's changed his plea.
He pled guilty,
751
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:16,586
which people regard
as being very bad for your case.
752
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,545
What was your reaction to that?
753
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,942
I mean, I wish I could respond
to that or answer it,
754
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:26,553
but I can't because it has
to do with--
755
00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:30,252
obviously with the legal case.
But, um...
756
00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:33,081
Yeah, I can't--
I can't comment on it.
757
00:32:33,125 --> 00:32:35,257
- You know Stuart.
- Yes.
758
00:32:35,301 --> 00:32:37,607
Have you spoken to him
since the arrest?
759
00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:40,088
I have not. I have not.
760
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,916
Has anyone here
spoken to Stuart?
761
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,787
I reached out
right after the arrest,
762
00:32:43,831 --> 00:32:45,224
but I didn't hear back.
763
00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:46,660
I-I tried to call him, too,
but--
764
00:32:46,703 --> 00:32:48,053
I'm sure you did,
just like you tried to call...
765
00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:50,011
But when he pled guilty,
I thought, you know...
766
00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:52,274
- ...my former person.
- ...he's pleading,
767
00:32:52,318 --> 00:32:54,189
and Jen's gonna be--like,
there's a chance that he's just
768
00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:57,105
gonna take it, own it, and this
will be Jen's vindication.
769
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:58,977
I mean, this was someone
who you described as being
770
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,327
so close to you. It had to...
771
00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:02,937
Yeah, absolutely.
772
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:06,549
I think I've told you this,
but I wanna tell you again that,
773
00:33:06,593 --> 00:33:08,421
you know, I appreciate you
sticking with me
774
00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:10,510
through the bad times,
the good times,
775
00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:14,166
and I hope you realize, too,
like, the sacrifices I made.
776
00:33:14,209 --> 00:33:16,646
They're to take care of you
and your family.
777
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:18,997
I've seen that, and I know
that you'll always be there,
778
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,042
and I'll always be here
for you.
779
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:23,262
To have someone close to you
780
00:33:23,305 --> 00:33:24,567
and then told one day
out of the blue,
781
00:33:24,611 --> 00:33:28,180
"You can't talk to him
anymore," that's...hard.
782
00:33:28,223 --> 00:33:30,486
How did it feel watching
the women discuss
783
00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,880
how you paid for things
like lavish parties
784
00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:34,708
and the Shah Squad?
785
00:33:34,751 --> 00:33:37,667
I have had a lot of questions
around Jen's lifestyle.
786
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:39,321
Like, it intrigues me where
787
00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:42,977
she gets all of her money
and all of her things from.
788
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:47,112
Like, throwing down an $80,000
birthday party for Meredith.
789
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,810
I knew some people were
full of sh-- a year ago.
790
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,203
Like, Lisa, you brought up
to me--
791
00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,726
She came to me. She's like,
"I just want you to know
792
00:33:52,769 --> 00:33:54,293
people are questioning
where you get your money from,"
793
00:33:54,336 --> 00:33:56,425
and I'm like, why? Because I'm
Brown and Sharrieff's Black?
794
00:33:56,469 --> 00:33:58,340
- This is what I said. This is--
- And you guys don't know?
795
00:33:58,384 --> 00:33:59,689
And so you gotta--
you gotta put down, like,
796
00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:01,300
successful people of color?
797
00:34:01,343 --> 00:34:02,518
I didn't--I didn't say
I questioned you.
798
00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:04,781
Don't direct that at me.
What I said--
799
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,261
You--but you're the--
the only time I ever heard it,
800
00:34:06,305 --> 00:34:08,742
you brought it to me.
- The only thing I ever said,
801
00:34:08,785 --> 00:34:10,178
and, yeah, we all talked
about it.
802
00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:11,571
- Who?
- Like, I heard, like...
803
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:12,876
You guys all said it.
804
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,878
I never had a conversation
with you about it.
805
00:34:14,922 --> 00:34:16,402
I've never had a conversation
about Jen's livelihood.
806
00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:17,577
You guys have said it.
You guys have said it.
807
00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:19,100
I don't comment
on other people's money.
808
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:20,319
I've talked about not
understanding your business,
809
00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:21,624
but I've never counted
your money.
810
00:34:21,668 --> 00:34:23,235
So what was your motive
in telling Jen
811
00:34:23,278 --> 00:34:24,845
that people were questioning
where she got her money?
812
00:34:24,888 --> 00:34:26,412
Well, she was wondering why
everyone was always against her,
813
00:34:26,455 --> 00:34:28,936
and I go, "I think that they
think things don't add up."
814
00:34:28,979 --> 00:34:31,243
There was no motive. It was
just a direct conversation.
815
00:34:31,286 --> 00:34:33,549
But why does nothing add up?
Like, what did I do
816
00:34:33,593 --> 00:34:35,116
that it doesn't add up?
Because I have nice things?
817
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,118
Ask everybody else. Don't
ask me, 'cause I didn't say it.
818
00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:38,772
You told me, though.
819
00:34:38,815 --> 00:34:40,165
I told you that other people
said it. Ask them.
820
00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:41,383
- Yeah.
- Ask them.
821
00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:42,819
Okay, well,
Whitney, Whitney, why?
822
00:34:42,863 --> 00:34:44,256
No, and I-I have to say this.
823
00:34:44,299 --> 00:34:47,215
I've never questioned
your success. You are smart,
824
00:34:47,259 --> 00:34:48,999
and I know people that you used
to work with,
825
00:34:49,043 --> 00:34:50,044
and they speak very highly
of you,
826
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,524
and they're very intelligent.
827
00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:53,221
And they make a lot of money,
too, you know?
828
00:34:53,265 --> 00:34:55,789
Yeah. I feel bad that you feel
like we were questioning,
829
00:34:55,832 --> 00:34:57,443
like, your success.
830
00:34:57,486 --> 00:35:01,186
That's not what I questioned.
I just have never had a friend
831
00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:03,318
at your level
that has spent money that way.
832
00:35:03,362 --> 00:35:05,146
- Like, that's new for me.
- You said--You said
833
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:07,931
in your audition that you spend,
like, $50,000 a month...
834
00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:09,281
- Yeah.
- ...on things.
835
00:35:09,324 --> 00:35:11,587
My husband travels a lot.
836
00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:14,373
There are, like,
20 pieces of luggage
837
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,549
when we travel, and, like,
838
00:35:16,592 --> 00:35:18,246
maybe 17 are mine.
839
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:20,640
I'm telling you, boy,
she's two types of crazy now.
840
00:35:20,683 --> 00:35:22,772
I probably spend at least
50 grand a month.
841
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:27,081
My wife's shopping habits
can be in and of themselves
842
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:30,040
a daily source of my drama.
843
00:35:30,084 --> 00:35:34,436
So that seems like a lot
to people.
844
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,352
Well, Whitney,
you were also speculating
845
00:35:37,396 --> 00:35:39,615
about Jen's business practices
in the van,
846
00:35:39,659 --> 00:35:42,227
and a lot of viewers wondered
how you knew so much
847
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,708
about fraud
and money laundering.
848
00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:47,362
That's a good question.
849
00:35:47,406 --> 00:35:49,190
Um, one, I was just reading
the indictment,
850
00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,366
and two, like I said,
I do know someone that
851
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:54,804
she used to work with,
and it was explained to me.
852
00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:58,939
You were able to explain
what legal lead generation is.
853
00:35:58,982 --> 00:36:02,203
She buys people's information.
She sells that information.
854
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,205
That's like the simplistic way of...yeah.
855
00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:05,902
Yeah, but it's just
lead nurturing is what it is.
856
00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:07,469
She gives companies leads.
857
00:36:07,513 --> 00:36:10,559
The entire way that people
do online marketing
858
00:36:10,603 --> 00:36:12,648
is through
legal lead generation,
859
00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:16,217
and that's when you opt in
on a website or opt out
860
00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,698
of, like, your data being used.
861
00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:23,224
So how is that different from
what Jen is being accused of?
862
00:36:23,268 --> 00:36:25,661
I don't know,
but I do know that
863
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:28,925
there's a big gray area.
864
00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:31,189
Like, people can be practicing
something and be unaware
865
00:36:31,232 --> 00:36:33,321
that it's breaking a rule.
866
00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:34,975
Jen, what did you think
of Whitney's assessment
867
00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:37,020
of your business?
868
00:36:37,064 --> 00:36:39,501
- It's not accurate.
- Was it--
869
00:36:39,545 --> 00:36:40,720
But what she said about
lead generation was accurate.
870
00:36:40,763 --> 00:36:42,722
I know, but I don't do
lead generation.
871
00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:43,984
- Okay, so that's--
- I do data monetization.
872
00:36:44,027 --> 00:36:45,507
Oh, okay.
873
00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:47,379
How do you define
data monetization?
874
00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:52,906
Monetization is generating money
from data--
875
00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:54,342
a name and a phone number.
876
00:36:54,386 --> 00:36:57,519
So the accusation is that
you're selling information
877
00:36:57,563 --> 00:37:02,742
about people who are elderly
or somehow impaired
878
00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:05,179
who are then being roped
into paying for things.
879
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,268
That's the accusation?
880
00:37:07,312 --> 00:37:11,316
I-I can't comment on it.
881
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,450
Courtney Dione thinks you are
a flip-flopper, Whitney.
882
00:37:15,494 --> 00:37:18,540
"One minute you're persecuting
and investigating Jen,
883
00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:21,543
and the next you're offering
your support." Did you feel like
884
00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:23,850
she was a flip-flopper
once you watched it?
885
00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:27,027
When I watched it,
I was surprised to see--
886
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:28,724
obviously, I didn't know.
887
00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:30,465
When we were going through it
at the moment,
888
00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:32,293
I felt like you were supportive.
889
00:37:32,337 --> 00:37:34,252
Yeah, it took me a moment
to figure out
890
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,993
how I was gonna show up for you,
891
00:37:37,037 --> 00:37:39,387
because when you hear all of
this information about a friend,
892
00:37:39,431 --> 00:37:43,304
I don't care who you are,
it rocks your own moral code.
893
00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:44,436
Like, how am I gonna show up
as a friend?
894
00:37:44,479 --> 00:37:45,567
But it shouldn't
if you're a real friend.
895
00:37:45,611 --> 00:37:47,177
If you--Then I must not be
your friend.
896
00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:48,918
But, Jen, I made the--I made
the choice to show up for you.
897
00:37:48,962 --> 00:37:50,529
- Okay.
- And questioning it
898
00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:52,139
and showing up--
- Well, the things you said
899
00:37:52,182 --> 00:37:53,314
afterward hurt not only me.
900
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:55,403
It hurt my husband,
and it hurt my boys.
901
00:37:55,447 --> 00:37:58,058
- I feel--
- What, though?
902
00:37:58,101 --> 00:38:00,539
- On "Watch What Happens Live"--
- What did I say or do?
903
00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:03,368
It wasn't positive. Like,
you were like, "I don't know."
904
00:38:03,411 --> 00:38:04,847
I don't know, Jen.
905
00:38:04,891 --> 00:38:08,329
As more information came out,
it--I was pretty certain
906
00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:10,897
one of them
had to have been involved.
907
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:12,290
I worry for Jen and her family.
908
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,640
I don't think that this is
good for Jen.
909
00:38:14,683 --> 00:38:15,945
- But she wasn't horrible.
- I'm taking your word for it.
910
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:17,512
Like, I--You say
you're innocent,
911
00:38:17,556 --> 00:38:19,035
and I'm supporting you in it.
- But if you believe me--
912
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:20,428
It wasn't cruel and horrible
and say a lot of horrible,
913
00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:22,125
cruel, ridiculously bad things,
and no one did.
914
00:38:22,169 --> 00:38:26,565
Jen, that same--that same week,
you hashtagged #Marywasright.
915
00:38:26,608 --> 00:38:28,218
Because you called my husband
a sugar daddy,
916
00:38:28,262 --> 00:38:30,656
and you put me
and the work I've done down,
917
00:38:30,699 --> 00:38:33,963
and my husband. That's
disrespectful for Sharrieff.
918
00:38:34,007 --> 00:38:35,530
That's ----ing racist.
919
00:38:35,574 --> 00:38:37,837
I thought she said,
"Maybe she has a sugar daddy."
920
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,274
Whitney, John D. wants to know
if you ever questioned
921
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:43,059
or suspect Jen's
business practices.
922
00:38:43,103 --> 00:38:47,542
So... I've never questioned
if what she's doing
923
00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:48,935
was legal or not.
- Okay.
924
00:38:48,978 --> 00:38:51,764
I questioned the lifestyle,
the amount of money.
925
00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:53,287
I always thought she had
a sugar daddy...
926
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,462
- Okay.
- ...to be honest with you.
927
00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:56,029
- I never--No.
- It was not Coach Shah.
928
00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:59,162
No, I-I honestly thought someone
was just giving her money.
929
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:00,686
- I made the situation lighter.
- I mean, after everything
930
00:39:00,729 --> 00:39:02,818
that's gone on,
you're upset about her saying
931
00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:04,342
maybe she has a sugar daddy?
- No, because she--
932
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:05,647
- That's just a funny joke.
- You said you--
933
00:39:05,691 --> 00:39:06,779
No, no, no.
934
00:39:06,822 --> 00:39:08,302
You've made jokes
like that, too, Jen.
935
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:09,825
I'm doing it now because
I'm trying to make a joke
936
00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:11,697
out of what you said.
937
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:13,220
You think she hasn't shown up
for you?
938
00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:14,569
But you told us you had
a sugar daddy.
939
00:39:14,613 --> 00:39:16,092
You're--You're finding
the one specific detail,
940
00:39:16,136 --> 00:39:17,485
but overall, has she not--
- No, this is what I'm talk-
941
00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:19,705
Can I talk, please?
942
00:39:24,797 --> 00:39:26,407
Coming up...
943
00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:27,930
You know what the docket is,
and I've explained this to you.
944
00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:29,192
- So don't go hard on me right--
- Bitch, don't talk to me
945
00:39:29,236 --> 00:39:30,498
about a ----ing docket.
I know what it is.
946
00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:31,630
Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.
So then you should understand
947
00:39:31,673 --> 00:39:33,414
and you shouldn't be going
this hard.
948
00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:34,633
What are you even talking about,
docket?
949
00:39:34,676 --> 00:39:35,982
Don't call me bitch.
Don't call me bitch.
950
00:39:36,025 --> 00:39:37,244
- Bitch.
- Ah!
951
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,554
Do you feel like
she hasn't shown up for you?
952
00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:44,033
You're finding
the one specific detail,
953
00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:45,208
but overall, has she not--
- No, this is what I'm talk--
954
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:47,776
Can I talk?
955
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,865
Please.
956
00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:51,432
- Yes.
- What it feels like on my end
957
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,217
is, like, "Hey, Jen, we can
treat you like sh--
958
00:39:54,261 --> 00:39:57,525
'cause you should be happy that
you even have a friend
959
00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:58,918
that shows up 60%.
960
00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:01,442
So if we sh-- on you,
it's okay 'cause you need
961
00:40:01,486 --> 00:40:03,096
all the friends you can get
right now."
962
00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:04,576
That's the message I get.
963
00:40:04,619 --> 00:40:07,622
That's not fair, and that's
what I'm talking about.
964
00:40:07,666 --> 00:40:09,581
Well, you sh-- on me,
and I still showed up for you.
965
00:40:09,624 --> 00:40:12,453
- And we went through it.
- So that's the truth of it.
966
00:40:12,497 --> 00:40:14,063
But why does it keep coming up?!
967
00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:15,325
It hasn't. I didn't bring it up.
968
00:40:15,369 --> 00:40:17,458
- Every day. Today.
- Ask Andy why
969
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,155
it's still coming up.
- No, today you said, too.
970
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:20,853
You're like,
"Jen's always sh--ty."
971
00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:22,289
I know. You guys remind me constantly.
972
00:40:22,332 --> 00:40:24,160
I didn't say,
"Jen's always sh--ty."
973
00:40:24,204 --> 00:40:25,640
- Heather--
- I've never made that joke.
974
00:40:25,684 --> 00:40:26,685
No, just earlier, and I go,
"Heather, can we, like,
975
00:40:26,728 --> 00:40:28,295
not say that anymore?"
976
00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:30,471
I'm blindly showing up
for this one,
977
00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:31,864
who's been horrible to me,
and I'm just, like--
978
00:40:31,907 --> 00:40:33,518
You don't have to
keep saying that.
979
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:34,997
Well, you know what? It's true,
980
00:40:35,041 --> 00:40:37,130
and so Jen's been horrible
to me, and I show up.
981
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:39,785
It hurts me every time
you say that, 'cause I'm sorry.
982
00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:42,527
- I'm sorry.
- Can I ask you a question?
983
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:45,051
Jen...
984
00:40:45,094 --> 00:40:46,966
They're--They're in
a Sprinter van
985
00:40:47,009 --> 00:40:50,404
that is swarmed by
Homeland Security and the FBI.
986
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:54,713
Wouldn't it be natural for them
to question this...
987
00:40:54,756 --> 00:40:56,628
- Absolutely.
- ...and look into it
988
00:40:56,671 --> 00:40:58,717
and speculate about it?
989
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,501
It is, yep.
It's absolutely normal...
990
00:41:00,545 --> 00:41:02,764
- It's human nature.
- ...to think--Absolutely.
991
00:41:02,808 --> 00:41:04,505
But to sit there
and then go beyond it,
992
00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:07,943
and when I'm at my lowest
bring up other sh--
993
00:41:07,987 --> 00:41:11,077
that's not ----ing true?
No! That's not normal.
994
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,905
Okay, well,
let's talk about that.
995
00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:14,080
Well, first of all,
Lisa, after the arrest,
996
00:41:14,123 --> 00:41:16,256
it seemed like
you were immediately
997
00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:17,823
trying to distance yourself...
- No, I was not.
998
00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:19,172
- ...from Jen.
- No, I was not.
999
00:41:19,215 --> 00:41:21,130
- Yes, you were.
- No, I'm gonna speak for myself.
1000
00:41:21,174 --> 00:41:22,392
- You don't get to speak for me.
- I'll speak for you,
1001
00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:23,916
'cause you speak
for everyone else!
1002
00:41:23,959 --> 00:41:25,091
No, no, no, I do not speak
for everyone else.
1003
00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:26,222
- Yes, you do!
- Okay, I'm gonna answer
1004
00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:27,833
the question, and I--
- No! Be quiet!
1005
00:41:27,876 --> 00:41:29,269
- No, I'm not gonna be quiet.
- I'll speak for you. You did.
1006
00:41:29,312 --> 00:41:30,966
- No, I did not. I called--
- Yes, you did!
1007
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:32,533
- Don't--
- You called all your lawyers.
1008
00:41:32,577 --> 00:41:34,535
Can you tell me what's going on?
1009
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:36,842
Would Homeland Security
show up for that?
1010
00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:39,192
I mean, like, I-I'm, like,
literally shook.
1011
00:41:39,235 --> 00:41:43,022
Is something bigger happening?
Should I be stressed?
1012
00:41:43,065 --> 00:41:45,067
I'm physically shaking.
1013
00:41:45,111 --> 00:41:47,548
I called six lawyers because
there was no information.
1014
00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:48,636
I called them and asked them,
1015
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,159
"Is there anything
on the docket?"
1016
00:41:50,203 --> 00:41:51,465
Like, the docket?
Like, some legal legi--
1017
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:54,033
That is a smart--
It's something I--
1018
00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:55,382
What was your reaction
to her calling the lawyers?
1019
00:41:55,425 --> 00:41:58,472
No, no, any claim against you
is on the docket.
1020
00:41:58,516 --> 00:41:59,908
I don't know what the docket is, but...
1021
00:41:59,952 --> 00:42:02,128
- Google it before you judge.
- You Google it.
1022
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:03,303
You know what it--
You know what the docket is,
1023
00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:04,913
and I've explained this to you,
1024
00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:06,306
so don't go hard on me
when I'm--
1025
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:07,568
Bitch, don't talk to me
about a ----ing docket.
1026
00:42:07,612 --> 00:42:08,787
I know what it is.
Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.
1027
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:09,831
Then don't--
then you should understand,
1028
00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:11,006
and you shouldn't be going
this hard.
1029
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:12,181
What are you even talking
about, docket?
1030
00:42:12,225 --> 00:42:13,400
Don't call me bitch.
Don't call me bitch.
1031
00:42:13,443 --> 00:42:14,793
- Bitch.
- Does that make you feel good?
1032
00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:16,359
- Jen.
- Does that make you feel good?
1033
00:42:16,403 --> 00:42:17,273
It does, because you're a bitch
to everyone else up here.
1034
00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:18,579
- Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.
- Jen--
1035
00:42:18,623 --> 00:42:20,494
- Just pile on.
- I can yell just as loud as you.
1036
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,105
I can poke just as far as you.
I could do this
1037
00:42:23,149 --> 00:42:24,411
just as much as you.
We can do this all day long.
1038
00:42:24,454 --> 00:42:26,065
Okay, okay, I see what
you're doing here.
1039
00:42:26,108 --> 00:42:27,545
- I see what you're doing here.
- Oh, what am I doing?
1040
00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:29,372
I see what you're doing here.
Turning the narrative.
1041
00:42:29,416 --> 00:42:30,635
Oh, my gosh!
1042
00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:33,812
The women all got together
in Vail at dinner,
1043
00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:35,465
and a lot was said at the table.
1044
00:42:35,509 --> 00:42:38,077
Meredith, in Vail,
you decided Jen was guilty
1045
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,383
without hesitation.
Why was that?
1046
00:42:40,427 --> 00:42:41,820
No, I did not. I said
innocent until proven guilty
1047
00:42:41,863 --> 00:42:43,996
a hundred times.
1048
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,085
Yeah, but me watching it, Meredith,
1049
00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:47,869
I remember you saying that,
but then you were like,
1050
00:42:47,913 --> 00:42:49,175
"You see?
1051
00:42:49,218 --> 00:42:51,743
I tried to tell you guys.
You don't know her."
1052
00:42:51,786 --> 00:42:53,614
And then you're over here,
coddling Lisa, which,
1053
00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:55,616
you know what? I do say I get
why Meredith was probably pissed
1054
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,097
because you were like,
"I don't know Jen."
1055
00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:59,533
You literally wrote me off.
1056
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,535
What was your reaction
to hearing
1057
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:03,450
that she didn't wanna be
in a room with you?
1058
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,540
It was hurtful because I'm like,
wow, she doesn't believe me.
1059
00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,542
I wanna talk
about the Uber story.
1060
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,546
Lisa, were you insinuating
that Jen was having an affair?
1061
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,898
Jen was calling me that night
at, like, 1:30 in the morning.
1062
00:43:16,942 --> 00:43:20,685
She was really upset with me.
It was after my kids' event.
1063
00:43:20,728 --> 00:43:22,991
I wasn't insinuating
that she was having an affair.
1064
00:43:23,035 --> 00:43:27,387
I just was like, she's out
and about and, like, mad at me.
1065
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:29,824
Why did you get out
of Heather's Uber?
1066
00:43:29,868 --> 00:43:32,218
Because
was picking me up.
1067
00:43:32,261 --> 00:43:34,046
And out of respect
for Heather,
1068
00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:35,613
he can't come
to Heather's house.
1069
00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:36,831
No, 'cause he stole from me.
1070
00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:38,311
He's not welcome anywhere
in my vicinity.
1071
00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:40,226
Why couldn't the Uber
just bring you home?
1072
00:43:40,269 --> 00:43:43,185
- It's a 45-minute drive and--
- So you just got out.
1073
00:43:43,229 --> 00:43:45,666
- I don't wanna drive 45 minutes.
- She also had told me
1074
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:47,015
continually that she had
no relationship with him.
1075
00:43:47,059 --> 00:43:48,582
This was after that.
1076
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,367
There was
a whole Uber driver story.
1077
00:43:51,411 --> 00:43:54,066
Yeah, there was a podcast where
they interviewed the Uber driver
1078
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:57,460
who picked you up, allegedly...
- An Uber driver?
1079
00:43:57,504 --> 00:43:58,940
...and brought you
to some condo.
1080
00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:02,248
Yeah, that's--that's a lie.
1081
00:44:02,291 --> 00:44:04,250
As far as you know,
1082
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:06,382
are you red-flagged
at Louis Vuitton?
1083
00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,689
- No, I'm not.
- Where did you get that?
1084
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:11,344
From somebody who works
at Louis Vuitton.
1085
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:15,304
Meredith, Danielle from New York
wants to know
1086
00:44:15,348 --> 00:44:17,742
what Jen has done specifically
to terrorize your family
1087
00:44:17,785 --> 00:44:19,613
the last two years?
1088
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,747
Well, for starters, I'd been
told by multiple parties,
1089
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,009
some of which are in this room,
1090
00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:26,751
that you were looking
to destroy me.
1091
00:44:26,794 --> 00:44:29,623
Just say the names, Meredith.
Say the names,
1092
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,277
because otherwise
I feel like it's me,
1093
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,366
and it pisses me off.
1094
00:44:33,409 --> 00:44:37,326
And then I start hearing other
things that led me to believe
1095
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:41,461
that there was collusion
involved, things like that,
1096
00:44:41,504 --> 00:44:44,812
and I just--I was like, okay,
this is enough. I'm done.
1097
00:44:44,856 --> 00:44:46,466
And that was it.
1098
00:44:46,509 --> 00:44:49,948
I have never looked
to destroy you or anybody else.
1099
00:44:49,991 --> 00:44:52,385
I've never dug up information.
1100
00:44:52,428 --> 00:44:53,516
I've never hired
an private investigator.
1101
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,170
I've never done
any of that stuff.
1102
00:44:55,214 --> 00:44:56,911
I wanna talk about
the private investigator.
1103
00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:59,392
Why did you hire one?
You felt like you were getting--
1104
00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:01,394
Well, he was actually
a cyber specialist.
1105
00:45:01,437 --> 00:45:04,310
- Okay.
- And Heather had called me.
1106
00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:06,791
She had gotten these
very bizarre, you know,
1107
00:45:06,834 --> 00:45:08,836
threatening kinds of texts.
- Horrible rhyming--
1108
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,056
rhyming messages of death.
- They were really strange.
1109
00:45:11,099 --> 00:45:14,624
And then my sons actually
both got them.
1110
00:45:14,668 --> 00:45:16,670
- And what were they?
- You know, they were just
1111
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,846
very nasty, menacing--
"I'm coming for you."
1112
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:21,327
I mean, they're lo--wo--long--
One was very long.
1113
00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:23,851
- The other was not.
- I remember mine.
1114
00:45:23,895 --> 00:45:25,853
- I memorized mine.
- What was yours?
1115
00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:27,768
"Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
1116
00:45:27,812 --> 00:45:31,337
Season one is over.
We all played you."
1117
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:32,817
- Wow.
- I mean, it was very--
1118
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:35,080
And what did
the private investigator find?
1119
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:38,518
He believed it could be Jen,
but he didn't say conclusively.
1120
00:45:38,561 --> 00:45:40,781
And so that's why I dropped it.
1121
00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:43,088
And why would he think it's me?
1122
00:45:43,131 --> 00:45:44,524
There are a very limited number
of people
1123
00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:46,004
who would have both contacts.
1124
00:45:46,047 --> 00:45:47,353
'Cause that was the connection.
1125
00:45:47,396 --> 00:45:49,485
They had to have
both of our numbers and emails,
1126
00:45:49,529 --> 00:45:51,705
which made it
a lot smaller pool.
1127
00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:56,231
So basically it's this room
plus Mary and plus production.
1128
00:45:56,275 --> 00:45:58,233
Those are the only people
in this world
1129
00:45:58,277 --> 00:45:59,844
that would have
both of those contacts.
1130
00:45:59,887 --> 00:46:02,716
And so he went through them,
and you know, that was just--
1131
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,849
but he didn't give me
an conclusive answer.
1132
00:46:04,892 --> 00:46:07,808
That was just his opinion,
and that's why I just, again,
1133
00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:10,376
put it away, so I don't--
I don't like to operate
1134
00:46:10,419 --> 00:46:13,379
off of things that aren't fact.
I don't.
1135
00:46:13,422 --> 00:46:15,729
So how about this?
Since we wanna bring up
1136
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,340
all the horrible,
racist ----ing text messages
1137
00:46:18,384 --> 00:46:21,648
and emails...
Can somebody get Coach, please?
1138
00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:23,432
Because apparently
my word on its own
1139
00:46:23,476 --> 00:46:25,434
isn't enough for everybody.
1140
00:46:25,478 --> 00:46:28,568
So we'll get Coach out here,
so all of the texts--
1141
00:46:28,611 --> 00:46:29,656
- I never said it was you.
- Lisa, I'm talking right now.
1142
00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:31,484
- Okay.
- So all the text messages
1143
00:46:31,527 --> 00:46:33,921
that I've gotten that said,
"Tell your ----ing sons
1144
00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:38,099
that we're gonna skin them
and burn them"--should I,
1145
00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:41,668
by your deduction and logic,
should I say that's from you?
1146
00:46:41,711 --> 00:46:43,583
This is--Do you see
how insane this is?
1147
00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:45,759
But I didn't say it was
from you, Jen. I did not.
1148
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:47,892
Nobody on
this stage would ever say that
1149
00:46:47,935 --> 00:46:49,415
about your sons, ever.
1150
00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:52,331
But why would you guys think
I'm threatening you guys?!
1151
00:46:52,374 --> 00:46:53,811
- But none of us do.
- That's why I dropped it, Jen.
1152
00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:56,335
- This doesn't make any sense!
- That's why I dropped it
1153
00:46:56,378 --> 00:46:58,903
until I read
about encrypted messaging
1154
00:46:58,946 --> 00:47:01,470
in the indictment,
and that's what triggered that.
1155
00:47:01,514 --> 00:47:03,429
Why? There was something
about encrypted messaging
1156
00:47:03,472 --> 00:47:05,605
in the indictment?
- In the indictment, yes.
1157
00:47:05,648 --> 00:47:08,260
And that was what
triggered that,
1158
00:47:08,303 --> 00:47:09,827
and that's why
I started talking.
1159
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:11,263
And that's why it triggered
the conversation that night.
1160
00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:13,613
- Correct.
- Let me ask you this.
1161
00:47:13,656 --> 00:47:18,357
Do any of you think she's guilty
of fraud and money laundering?
1162
00:47:20,925 --> 00:47:23,623
I love Jen. I don't care
if she's guilty or not.
1163
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:24,929
I don't care.
1164
00:47:24,972 --> 00:47:26,539
Jen told me she's innocent,
and I believe her.
1165
00:47:26,582 --> 00:47:29,629
And I believe her, too,
and I want the best for her
1166
00:47:29,672 --> 00:47:32,023
and her family, and I will be
in court every day,
1167
00:47:32,066 --> 00:47:36,766
and I will fight for her to--
she's in the fight of her life.
1168
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:39,726
Meredith, do you think
she's innocent?
1169
00:47:39,769 --> 00:47:41,859
I have no idea. I hope so.
It's...
1170
00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:44,774
You know,
I'm not the judge and jury.
1171
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:46,385
Yeah, we got your back.
We love you. We love you.
1172
00:47:46,428 --> 00:47:50,911
Just the--the success rate of
the New York State Attorney
1173
00:47:50,955 --> 00:47:56,482
is, like, 95%. Does that--
- Because people take plea deals.
1174
00:47:56,525 --> 00:47:57,787
I'm fighting this.
I am innocent.
1175
00:47:57,831 --> 00:47:59,398
She's fighting this.
She's fighting it.
1176
00:47:59,441 --> 00:48:01,487
And I will
fight for every person out there
1177
00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:02,967
that can't fight for themselves
1178
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:05,012
because they don't have
the resources or the means,
1179
00:48:05,056 --> 00:48:06,840
so they--they don't fight.
1180
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,625
I will fight because
number one, I'm innocent,
1181
00:48:09,669 --> 00:48:12,498
and number two--
I'm gonna ----ing represent
1182
00:48:12,541 --> 00:48:14,500
every other person out there
that can't fight
1183
00:48:14,543 --> 00:48:16,806
and hasn't been able to.
1184
00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:18,939
Why do you think
they targeted you?
1185
00:48:18,983 --> 00:48:21,072
'Cause Meredith called the feds.
1186
00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:23,726
Just kidding.
1187
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:27,948
All right, we're gonna
be right back after this.
1188
00:48:32,083 --> 00:48:34,563
I love you.
1189
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:43,659
Okay.
1190
00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:48,360
Do we need a touch-up?
1191
00:48:48,403 --> 00:48:50,231
Where's our makeup bag?
1192
00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:52,755
All right.
1193
00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:55,628
And be quiet, please.
1194
00:48:55,671 --> 00:48:58,674
Four...three...two...
1195
00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:01,460
Welcome back to "The Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City"
1196
00:49:01,503 --> 00:49:02,983
season two Reunion.
1197
00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:06,987
Well, I wanna close this topic.
1198
00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:10,469
Jen, the trial is set
for March 22nd.
1199
00:49:10,512 --> 00:49:12,471
- Mm-hmm.
- It's a jury trial?
1200
00:49:12,514 --> 00:49:13,907
Yes.
1201
00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:15,953
I keep saying
the max sentence is 30 years,
1202
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:17,563
but there's one charge
that's 30 years
1203
00:49:17,606 --> 00:49:21,045
and one charge that's 20 years?
Is that right?
1204
00:49:21,088 --> 00:49:23,177
I-I-I honest--I honestly--
I don't know. I don't know.
1205
00:49:23,221 --> 00:49:25,658
You don't know what
the charge is?
1206
00:49:25,701 --> 00:49:27,181
- What does your attorney say?
- Yeah, what--what--yeah.
1207
00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:29,836
- I mean...
- Like, they don't meet with me
1208
00:49:29,879 --> 00:49:31,881
and say, "Hey, listen,
guess what."
1209
00:49:31,925 --> 00:49:34,145
- Right.
- So I...Yeah.
1210
00:49:34,188 --> 00:49:36,799
You know, you've been watching
the season.
1211
00:49:36,843 --> 00:49:40,890
You've been...pretty quiet
on social media. You've been--
1212
00:49:40,934 --> 00:49:42,370
- Are you proud of me?
- I am.
1213
00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:44,198
- We prefer that.
- I'm really impressed.
1214
00:49:44,242 --> 00:49:45,765
I think it's great.
Is there anything else
1215
00:49:45,808 --> 00:49:49,856
that you didn't get to say
today that you feel is important
1216
00:49:49,899 --> 00:49:51,379
for you to say?
1217
00:49:51,423 --> 00:49:54,556
What I wanna say is thank you
for those of you
1218
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,038
that have been there
because you never know
1219
00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,214
your one nice word that day
1220
00:50:00,258 --> 00:50:02,477
could be the difference
for somebody.
1221
00:50:02,521 --> 00:50:06,133
And also, I just hope
we can do better in the future
1222
00:50:06,177 --> 00:50:09,049
and--and not judge people,
and myself included.
1223
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:10,964
You're gonna be on the couch
1224
00:50:11,008 --> 00:50:14,185
at the end of season three
with me?
1225
00:50:14,228 --> 00:50:16,448
Of course.
1226
00:50:16,491 --> 00:50:18,798
- I ain't going nowhere.
- All right.
1227
00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:22,236
Okay.
1228
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,239
All right.
We are wrapping things up.
1229
00:50:25,283 --> 00:50:27,546
Before we leave,
I would love to hear something
1230
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:29,330
that you're gonna take away
from this season--
1231
00:50:29,374 --> 00:50:32,638
something that you learned
or, you know,
1232
00:50:32,681 --> 00:50:34,857
that you leave tonight thinking.
1233
00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:36,163
Who wants to start?
1234
00:50:36,207 --> 00:50:38,122
- I can start.
- Okay.
1235
00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:41,516
My biggest takeaway...
1236
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,779
is that we're all human.
1237
00:50:43,823 --> 00:50:46,652
We've all done things we regret
and we can move on,
1238
00:50:46,695 --> 00:50:48,001
and we can make it up to people,
1239
00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,308
and no one is beyond redemption
in this group,
1240
00:50:50,351 --> 00:50:56,096
and we uniquely love each other,
and, Jen,
1241
00:50:56,140 --> 00:51:00,274
for you showing up today,
I commend you, I admire you,
1242
00:51:00,318 --> 00:51:02,624
and you know that I love you.
- Thank you.
1243
00:51:02,668 --> 00:51:03,930
All right.
1244
00:51:03,973 --> 00:51:05,540
Well, we're all gonna be
rooting for you.
1245
00:51:05,584 --> 00:51:07,325
- Thank you.
- Yes.
1246
00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:08,717
Jennie?
1247
00:51:08,761 --> 00:51:13,113
So, you know, walking into
this season as a newbie,
1248
00:51:13,157 --> 00:51:16,986
what I took from this is
I will speak my mind more.
1249
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:18,945
I will not just sit back
and observe,
1250
00:51:18,988 --> 00:51:21,078
because I should just
be out there,
1251
00:51:21,121 --> 00:51:22,340
and I feel like I should be
out there more.
1252
00:51:22,383 --> 00:51:23,906
- Absolutely.
- We love you.
1253
00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:25,647
Whitney "Wild" Rose?
1254
00:51:25,691 --> 00:51:28,172
There's so many things I learned
this season, but the biggest
1255
00:51:28,215 --> 00:51:30,435
is to believe in myself
1256
00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:32,828
and the growth
that I've gone through,
1257
00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:34,656
I can do anything.
1258
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:38,486
I also have learned that it's
very important to take a stand
1259
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:40,271
and have an opinion
and stand up.
1260
00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:43,665
Even if it's not
the popular one, it's important.
1261
00:51:43,709 --> 00:51:45,276
Meredith?
1262
00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:48,757
I have learned that it's really
important not to let things
1263
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,325
fester and build
and to communicate,
1264
00:51:51,369 --> 00:51:53,849
because a lot of times
I will internalize things.
1265
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:55,590
I mean, obviously,
some of the stuff
1266
00:51:55,634 --> 00:51:57,940
I internalized last season,
I didn't have a choice on
1267
00:51:57,984 --> 00:52:00,204
because it wasn't my story
to tell,
1268
00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:02,858
but to not approach
and not communicate
1269
00:52:02,902 --> 00:52:05,818
just snowballs into a mess.
1270
00:52:05,861 --> 00:52:07,689
Lisa?
1271
00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:10,170
Um, I've learned
a lot of things,
1272
00:52:10,214 --> 00:52:11,998
especially
in the last five days.
1273
00:52:12,041 --> 00:52:13,695
Um...
1274
00:52:13,739 --> 00:52:18,047
I have a very
hard time being vulnerable.
1275
00:52:18,091 --> 00:52:20,137
I just wasn't raised that way,
1276
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:21,877
and I think
that because I'm not,
1277
00:52:21,921 --> 00:52:25,403
people don't see me for who I am
and what my heart really is.
1278
00:52:27,753 --> 00:52:29,233
Jen Shah?
1279
00:52:29,276 --> 00:52:31,583
You're stronger than you think
you are,
1280
00:52:31,626 --> 00:52:36,588
and if you can get through
the impact of the initial news
1281
00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:38,677
or that whatever
you're going through,
1282
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,592
if you can get
through the impact of that,
1283
00:52:40,635 --> 00:52:42,376
you're gonna be okay,
and as devastating
1284
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:44,030
as this experience
has been for me,
1285
00:52:44,073 --> 00:52:45,901
the legal situation,
1286
00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:47,512
um, I know that...
1287
00:52:47,555 --> 00:52:49,731
my husband loves me, like,
1288
00:52:49,775 --> 00:52:51,211
more than anything.
1289
00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:53,692
And then my kids do, too,
and how much I love them,
1290
00:52:53,735 --> 00:52:57,043
and so, you know, those are
the takeaways that I've learned,
1291
00:52:57,086 --> 00:52:58,784
you know, from this past year.
1292
00:52:58,827 --> 00:53:03,702
Well, thanks to all of you
for a truly mind-blowing season.
1293
00:53:03,745 --> 00:53:05,834
Since we are paying homage
to Jen and Heather's
1294
00:53:05,878 --> 00:53:07,662
ice castle moment...
1295
00:53:07,706 --> 00:53:09,229
- Oh, my gosh.
- ...what better way to wrap up
1296
00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:15,148
the season than with some
fire-roasted friendship churros?
1297
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:16,802
Oh, my gosh!
1298
00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:18,760
We have churros.
1299
00:53:18,804 --> 00:53:22,024
I don't think you're supposed
to throw that in there.
1300
00:53:22,068 --> 00:53:24,853
Now, ladies,
if you burn your tongue,
1301
00:53:24,897 --> 00:53:27,291
I am not liable.
Thank you. Okay?
1302
00:53:27,334 --> 00:53:28,596
- Oh, wow, these are--
- Thank you.
1303
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,251
- These are big.
- I will continue to, like...
1304
00:53:31,295 --> 00:53:33,819
So, Heather, say something
to take us out.
1305
00:53:33,862 --> 00:53:35,603
Say something poetic.
1306
00:53:35,647 --> 00:53:37,605
I would like to say
"Housewives of Salt Lake City,"
1307
00:53:37,649 --> 00:53:43,132
we are phenomenal,
beautiful, fashionable,
1308
00:53:43,176 --> 00:53:44,960
real, fake,
1309
00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:47,006
and ----ed up.
1310
00:53:47,049 --> 00:53:48,442
- And that's why we're here.
- Amen.
1311
00:53:48,486 --> 00:53:49,791
- Cheers!
- To Salt Lake City.
1312
00:53:49,835 --> 00:53:52,664
- Cheers.
- Cheers.
1313
00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:54,927
Cheers.
Oh, these are good.
1314
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,450
- These are good.
- They're so good.
1315
00:53:56,494 --> 00:53:57,886
These are really good.
Oh, my God.
1316
00:53:57,930 --> 00:53:59,453
It's not gluten-free.
1317
00:53:59,497 --> 00:54:01,238
We can eat it.