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Andy: Tonight on
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"the real housewives
of salt lake city" reunion...
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Lisa screaming that meredith had
sex with half of new york--
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what was your reaction
to that rant?
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Sharrieff, did you ever question
where the money came from?
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-just pile on.
-Bitch.
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Don't call me bitch.
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-You are a bitch!
-Ahh.
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You're being charged with fraud
and money laundering.
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Do any of you think
she's guilty?
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♪♪♪
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-[beep]
-do we get a real break now?
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Can we talk or no?
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Well, I don't think we can talk
off camera right now
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in the middle of this.
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I'm gonna go to the restroom
really quick.
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We're resetting
for the husbands, right?
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I wanna go
to the restroom also.
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What?
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No.
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Thank you.
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I did not ever mean to hurt you.
I understand that hurting you
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hurts seth, reid, chloe,
and brooks.
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You spoke poorly
of my whole family.
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Uh, and--and...
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And I was like--
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what would I say about
your renovation?
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I didn't talk about your house,
lisa.
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That's what I told,
and I was, you know--
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okay, so you have a ugly house,
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so you should rip
my character to shreds.
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Okay. Wonderful.
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-That's good for you.
-Yep, love you guys.
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Yep, love you back, brother.
Love you back.
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I wish you were here in person.
I'm so sad that you're not here.
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It's intense, you know?
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Fair enough.
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Can I just see something
in your camera?
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Okay.
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Can you see okay?
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Rolling in five, four,
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three, two...
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We are back
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with "the real housewives
of salt lake city."
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you know what they say?
Behind every strong woman
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is a man who just wants
the wives to get along
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so he can play golf...
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...Or...Something like that.
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Let's say hi to
the house husbands. Hey, guys.
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-Hello.
-Hey, hey.
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Great to see you. Seth,
I'm sorry that you're not here.
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I know that covid
is keeping us apart.
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Are you still in mississippi
part-time?
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Yes. Loving it.
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-Has meredith come to visit?
-She actually has.
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Wow, I'd like to see that.
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-[laughs]
-hey.
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John, we all know
that it was your big plan
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to mess up angie's catering.
Why'd you do it?
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[laughter]
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you know what? I don't know.
I'm just that type of person.
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Yeah, you seem--you seem to be
nothing but drama.
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[laughter]
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-um, hey, sharrieff.
-Andy.
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Jen been using that megaphone
in the bedroom?
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-Thankfully, no.
-Right.
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-No.
-[laughter]
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-thankfully.
-Uh, duy, how's it going?
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Hello, andy.
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It's been an interesting ride
watching you.
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How has it been received
at work?
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Oh, my goodness. Um,
there's been no applications
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for sister wives.
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-Okay.
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you made the joke.
I didn't want to.
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I didn't want jennie
to come after me,
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but you're clearly fine
joking about it.
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-We're trying.
-There you go.
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Justin, when whitney re-enacted
having sex in an interview,
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would you say that was
an accurate description?
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Everything whitney does
is an accurate description.
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-[laughter]
-have you since
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upped the quota
from two times a week?
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Um, no, we're pretty solid
two times a week.
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whitney, maybe a sore subject,
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but how much of justin
and your savings
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did you use
to rebrand the business?
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We took half of our savings
and put it into this,
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and I'm figuring out how we're
gonna get that money back.
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I have spent my family's
entire savings plus some.
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Upwards of hundreds
of thousands.
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You have to be accountable.
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Um...Well, when talking
about the money,
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it's bigger
than just the rebrand.
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I had bought
my business partner out,
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so that's part of the lump sum,
and how much was it, babe?
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-It was, like, half.
-Well, I think--I think
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the important thing--
it was a savings account
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that was liquid,
available for us to buy a cabin.
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-It's not our entire savings.
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And so, yeah, she took
a lot of it out,
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but whitney is the best
investment I've ever made, so...
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-Aw.
-Aw.
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The rate of return is better
than anything else
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I can get out there.
-Aw.
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-How deep in are you?
-We're pretty deep in,
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but her business is doing great.
-Is it?
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-Yeah.
-Yeah, just January
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compared to last year,
I'm up 540%.
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And we carry all of her products
at beauty lab,
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and they sell out
as soon as we get them in.
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Lizzie from houston said,
"whitney, did you feel guilty
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knowing justin's
20 years older than you,
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and you're squandering
his retirement?
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Now he has to work
until the day he dies."
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listen,
I am his retirement plan,
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and like I said, I'm profiting,
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and I'm putting
the money back in.
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Great.
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Seth, you--you commented
on whitney's cleavage
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quite a bit this season.
-Oh, my gosh.
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You set the bar for cleavage.
I've been talking to meredith
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about getting
the whitney augmentation.
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Oh!
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That is art in its purest form.
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I mean, whitney,
was that awkward for you,
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or was it--is it part
of your rapport with seth?
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No, the first couple times
it was funny,
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and then I was like,
this is becoming a thing.
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And I think I made my point by
showing up with a titty cake.
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-[laughter]
-right.
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I know that you have a certain
appreciation for my cleavage.
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I thought
I'd give you a mouthful.
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[laughter]
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so you'll never have
to hear it again.
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-All: Ohh!
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justin, anything you wanna say
to seth?
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You know what?
No, I-I actually--
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it's--it's a--I know
where it comes from with seth.
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If you hang
around seth long enough--
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I think I know where
it comes from, too.
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[laughter]
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well, I just--I took it in
the light that seth brought it.
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Seth, we've really come through
a very intense conversation
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between your wife and lisa.
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Seeing the clip of lisa
screaming that meredith
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had sex with half of new york
and you know, questioning
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why you don't own a house
and saying that you change jobs
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every five minutes, what was
your reaction to that rant?
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Everything this season,
I think, andy--
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and I'm a big sports guy--
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nobody played through pain
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more than meredith marks did
this year.
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Second day dad passed away,
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and our family
and meredith especially
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never got a chance to grieve
and heal,
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and the worst thing that
could ever happen
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is to have cameras in her face
during this time,
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and I commend her
for getting through it,
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and all I tried to do is make
an ass out of myself
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to distract the heaviness.
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Um...I-I totally get that.
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What was your reaction
to hearing lisa say that
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she had had sex
with half of new york?
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Did she mention the part that
I had sex with the other half?
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-Oh, my god.
-[laughter]
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it's disheartening.
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Friendships go through
a lot of different chapters.
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I'm super hopeful 'cause I
know john and lisa super well,
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and I hope that everyone can
do what we gotta do to heal.
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John, how did it feel
hearing your wife
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say that stuff about meredith?
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You know, it was a little--
it was tough.
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That's not how lisa normally is.
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As soon as she saw it,
she broke down.
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Uh, she holds meredith
dear to her heart,
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and she wouldn't wanna say that
about anybody
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on the stage right now,
and especially meredith.
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duy, I gotta talk to you
because, um,
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you and jennie shared
a real experience of trauma
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when you talked about the birth
of your stillborn daughter.
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-We went to a hospital.
-Uh-huh.
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And we hooked you up.
Everything was good.
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Next thing you know,
monitor flatlines.
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She didn't make it.
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You know, when her birthday
comes around...
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[voice breaking] it hurts.
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Do you really, duy, think
that having more children
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will ever make up for that?
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That's a very valid question.
It's...
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Family planning has always
been a factor.
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We've struggled since 2008.
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It's an experience
that I don't wish upon anybody,
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and I don't think
that any parent
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should ever have to be
burying their children.
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But the challenge is you guys
saw a little window
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of how awesome our children are.
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Wouldn't the world be nicer
if we had more of that?
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More kindness,
more, you know, beauty.
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I get it,
and you expressed that,
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and you express it well,
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but there's a disconnect
with the viewers.
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Elizabeth from new york asked
a really, really good question
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that you really
have to think about.
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She says, "duy,
as a medical professional,
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knowing the physical
and emotional trauma
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that jennie has endured
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with nine miscarriages
and losing a baby,
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how can you justify
pressuring her
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to literally risk her life
for another child,
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much less her emotional stress?"
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very good question,
and the reality is,
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I worship this woman,
and at no point
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did I ever ask jennie
to get pregnant again.
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Did you consider adoption
or a surrogate?
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Yeah, we did.
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We did consider adoption
after my daughter passed away,
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and we were gonna adopt
two twins. Um...
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-Okay.
-But, you know, life dealt us
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with a different hand,
and it didn't work out.
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But duy still hasn't
changed his mind.
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You, um, asked jennie
for a sister wife.
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How long had you been
considering that as an option
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or thinking about that
in your mind?
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You know, I--it's one
of those things where I
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haven't been planning on it
at all.
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-Okay.
-But it was just one
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of those things where it was
like, look, I need--
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we're all businesspeople here,
and in business,
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sometimes we put
our emotions aside
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and just think logical
or just want results.
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And that moment,
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it's like,
"look, baby, I want results."
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♪♪♪
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coming up...
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This is a tweet from somebody
named ugly adjacent--
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says, "why does sharrieff
not getting the same energy
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as erika jayne?
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Do you ever question where
the money came from?
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♪♪♪
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we're all businesspeople here.
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And in business, sometimes we
put our emotion aside
247
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and just think logical
or just want results.
248
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And that moment, it's like,
"look, baby, I want results."
249
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unfortunately, I did not
consider my wife's emotion
250
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at the time.
251
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I was just like,
"let's get results.
252
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Let's get more children. How are
we gonna go about doing this?"
253
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and this has taken you
to the brink, right?
254
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-Your marriage.
-Yes.
255
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I...At one point, I told him,
256
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"you need to go get help
because if you continue
257
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with this sister wife thing,
258
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this relationship
will not work."
259
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and he agreed. He's like,
"I will go get help."
260
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-and are you getting help?
-Both: Yes.
261
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-And you feel it is helping?
-Very helpful.
262
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-Oh, great. That's great.
-Oh, that's amazing.
263
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Have any of the other couples
been to therapy?
264
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I'm assuming that you two have,
yes.
265
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-Well, we have.
-You have.
266
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Yes. This is just--
I need to say this.
267
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-Okay.
-Because it's too important.
268
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Please, please, recognize,
I'm just saying for men,
269
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particularly for black men,
therapy is good for us.
270
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-Yeah.
-And therapy has been
271
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a huge stigma for therapists
in african american communities
272
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that we don't seek them out,
so if I can tell anybody,
273
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therapy has been a blessing.
-Yeah.
274
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Go get it. We need it,
just like you.
275
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You lift weights. You do
everything to--for your body.
276
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-You need therapy.
-Yeah.
277
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There needs to be somebody
who's trained
278
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to help you for your mind.
-Yeah.
279
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And let me interject,
for asians, the same way.
280
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-Yeah.
-You know, growing up in asia,
281
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we don't ever go to therapy.
282
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You know, we hurt as well,
283
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and that's never been
identified.
284
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So therapy has been
very, very helpful.
285
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So please go.
286
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Okay, I wanna switch gears
for a minute.
287
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Sharrieff,
walk us through the moment
288
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you found out
about jen's arrest.
289
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Well, I, uh,
was with an assistant.
290
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I had some, uh, personal health
issues that I was dealing with,
291
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and I was being examined.
292
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One of my assistants had
my phone and called my wife.
293
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Within 25 minutes
of hanging up,
294
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I received a phone call
from homeland security.
295
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-And my heart just stopped.
-Wow.
296
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So I began making my way home,
297
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where I found
law enforcement officers
298
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all throughout my house
with guns,
299
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some of which
pointed at my baby.
300
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So the call that you got, jen,
301
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that was a real call.
302
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That was a real call.
303
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[cellphone ringing]
304
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hi, baby.
305
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No, not yet. We're still--
306
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we're at beauty lab + laser
in the parking lot.
307
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I need to go to the house?
308
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♪♪♪
309
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okay.
310
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-I have some bad news.
-What's going on?
311
00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:31,259
I just got a phone call,
312
00:13:31,294 --> 00:13:33,595
and sharrieff sr.'s
in the hospital.
313
00:13:35,465 --> 00:13:36,330
Yeah, absolutely.
314
00:13:36,349 --> 00:13:39,166
Sharrieff--he does not
go to the doctor,
315
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and we had been arguing about--
316
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I'm like, "you need to go.
You need to go."
317
00:13:43,673 --> 00:13:46,173
and this was like
the fourth or fifth checkup.
318
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Did you have internal bleeding?
319
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I'll tell you this much.
I've had a history of, uh,
320
00:13:51,448 --> 00:13:53,865
unfortunately,
some rectal bleeding.
321
00:13:56,119 --> 00:13:58,453
And at this particular time,
I was, um...
322
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Bleeding so much that
the doctor thought
323
00:14:01,458 --> 00:14:04,993
it was important, so I wanted
to let, you know, her know, um,
324
00:14:05,028 --> 00:14:07,912
so the internal bleeding
was more, I guess,
325
00:14:07,964 --> 00:14:09,130
gastro internal bleeding.
-Right.
326
00:14:09,165 --> 00:14:10,531
Yes, that's accurate.
327
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:13,084
So I asked, "can you un-mic me?
I need to go
328
00:14:13,136 --> 00:14:15,920
try to figure out is he okay?
What's happening?"
329
00:14:15,972 --> 00:14:19,424
I mean, the speculation was that
you got tipped off by someone.
330
00:14:19,476 --> 00:14:22,093
Right, yeah. No. Uh, if--hey,
if I would've got tipped off,
331
00:14:22,145 --> 00:14:25,113
I wouldn't have waited around...
[laughs] for, like--
332
00:14:25,148 --> 00:14:26,097
-she was there for a while.
-I mean, there was
333
00:14:26,149 --> 00:14:28,049
a period of time that, you know?
-Right. Right.
334
00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:30,235
So, yeah, that's the phone call
that I got.
335
00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:32,186
So when you got a call
at the hospital
336
00:14:32,221 --> 00:14:34,989
from the homeland security,
337
00:14:35,025 --> 00:14:37,108
is that when you called jen...
-No.
338
00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,661
...To say homeland security
was coming?
339
00:14:39,696 --> 00:14:42,196
No, I never talked to her.
340
00:14:42,232 --> 00:14:43,781
Did your assistant say,
"I'm at the hospital with coach,
341
00:14:43,833 --> 00:14:45,833
and homeland security's
coming."
342
00:14:45,869 --> 00:14:48,786
no. He just told her exactly
what I was going through.
343
00:14:48,838 --> 00:14:50,588
-He didn't know that yet.
-And then homeland security
344
00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:54,792
called you after
your assistant called jen
345
00:14:54,844 --> 00:14:56,427
and said, "we're at your house."
346
00:14:56,463 --> 00:14:57,428
-correct.
-Got it.
347
00:14:57,464 --> 00:14:59,246
-That's the sequence.
-Got it.
348
00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,181
-Correct.
-Okay.
349
00:15:00,216 --> 00:15:01,749
Just wanna make sure.
350
00:15:01,768 --> 00:15:04,719
Sharrieff, how did it feel
watching the women's response
351
00:15:04,754 --> 00:15:06,054
to jen's arrest?
352
00:15:06,089 --> 00:15:09,307
None of us are safe
unless we know the facts.
353
00:15:09,359 --> 00:15:11,592
Today one of my friends
mentioned something to me,
354
00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:14,062
which was that she's
red-flagged in the system
355
00:15:14,097 --> 00:15:17,532
of louis vuitton
because she pays in cash.
356
00:15:17,567 --> 00:15:20,501
I ordered an uber for my house
the other night
357
00:15:20,537 --> 00:15:22,820
and physically put her in
the uber, sent her on her way,
358
00:15:22,872 --> 00:15:24,973
and she had gotten out,
like, a half mile away.
359
00:15:25,008 --> 00:15:26,040
I don't know what happened
that night,
360
00:15:26,076 --> 00:15:28,776
but I just wanted to check
with somebody and see
361
00:15:28,795 --> 00:15:31,445
if they met up with her.
362
00:15:31,464 --> 00:15:33,781
You think she's meeting up
with another guy?
363
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,301
Uh, unbelievably painful.
364
00:15:36,336 --> 00:15:37,835
It hurt.
365
00:15:37,887 --> 00:15:39,470
I mean, I couldn't even
watch it.
366
00:15:39,506 --> 00:15:41,255
-It hurt.
-Coach watched it.
367
00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:42,590
-Yeah, she didn't--
-and he's like,
368
00:15:42,625 --> 00:15:44,008
"you wanna know
who's saying what?"
369
00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:45,393
I was like... [laughs]
wait, hold on.
370
00:15:45,428 --> 00:15:46,678
-Yeah.
-I'm sure you expected.
371
00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:50,014
-Right, but not to the extent.
-Right.
372
00:15:50,066 --> 00:15:53,318
-I did not expect that from...
-Right.
373
00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:55,469
We've been talking about rumors
374
00:15:55,488 --> 00:15:57,304
and everything all night.
I mean, have--have you two
375
00:15:57,324 --> 00:16:05,813
had, um, cr-crises
of infidelity in your marriage?
376
00:16:05,832 --> 00:16:09,334
-No.
-No?
377
00:16:10,787 --> 00:16:13,871
Um...This is a tweet from
someone named ugly adjacent.
378
00:16:13,923 --> 00:16:16,874
Says, "why is sharrieff
not getting the same energy
379
00:16:16,926 --> 00:16:18,793
as erika jayne?
380
00:16:18,828 --> 00:16:21,462
Was he not confused about
where all the designer clothing
381
00:16:21,497 --> 00:16:23,548
and million-dollar lifestyle
came from?
382
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,882
It doesn't add up."
383
00:16:24,934 --> 00:16:29,354
did you ever question
where the money came from?
384
00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:31,889
No, my wife has worked
for 20-plus years,
385
00:16:31,941 --> 00:16:35,026
and so much of what people
may see in her closet,
386
00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:37,445
the things that she has
accumulated over 20-plus years,
387
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,397
it didn't come just yesterday.
388
00:16:39,449 --> 00:16:40,698
It's been amassed over
the years.
389
00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:42,700
Accurate.
390
00:16:42,736 --> 00:16:44,235
Was there ever a point
where you worried
391
00:16:44,287 --> 00:16:46,654
that you were somehow
implicated in it
392
00:16:46,689 --> 00:16:49,624
because you've benefited
from the lifestyle?
393
00:16:49,659 --> 00:16:52,627
No. No. I've worked
my whole life. No.
394
00:16:52,662 --> 00:16:56,581
You know, no. I-I have not,
not at one point.
395
00:16:56,633 --> 00:16:58,666
Like, oh, my god. Maybe I'm
gonna be under investigat--
396
00:16:58,701 --> 00:17:01,535
never. Never, you know?
397
00:17:01,554 --> 00:17:04,422
We've been dealing with this now
for almost a year,
398
00:17:04,474 --> 00:17:07,225
and it has been painful
every day,
399
00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:09,927
but I have not worried
that it had any issue--
400
00:17:09,979 --> 00:17:12,930
any issue about myself.
401
00:17:12,982 --> 00:17:15,266
Sharrieff, after the charges,
was there ever a conversation
402
00:17:15,318 --> 00:17:18,069
that you had with jen where
you doubted her or said,
403
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:20,938
"was there anything improper
that happened in your business?"
404
00:17:20,990 --> 00:17:26,393
♪♪♪
405
00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:28,396
you're being charged
with fraud and money laundering.
406
00:17:28,431 --> 00:17:30,397
And then you're innocent
until proven guilty,
407
00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:32,917
and because I'm charged, she
puts a blanket statement out?
408
00:17:32,952 --> 00:17:36,587
We've never had a conversation
about my businesses.
409
00:17:40,242 --> 00:17:42,393
Sharrieff, after the charges,
was there ever a conversation
410
00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:46,614
that you had with jen
where you doubted her or said,
411
00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:49,784
"was there anything improper
that happened in your business?"
412
00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:51,452
♪♪♪
413
00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:52,703
-no.
-No?
414
00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:55,606
No. No. No.
415
00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:58,742
I looked at her, and I told her,
I said, "listen,
416
00:17:58,762 --> 00:18:03,214
this is going to be tough,
tough, and whatever it is,
417
00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:05,133
we're gonna deal with it."
418
00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:09,971
and there was a consensus
among, um, the friend group
419
00:18:10,023 --> 00:18:12,106
that they didn't totally
ever understand
420
00:18:12,142 --> 00:18:14,942
what it is that she did.
421
00:18:14,978 --> 00:18:16,461
-Have you understood?
-[chuckles]
422
00:18:16,496 --> 00:18:19,096
what was your understanding
of what her job was?
423
00:18:19,115 --> 00:18:21,616
Well, my wife has done
a few things.
424
00:18:21,651 --> 00:18:24,619
Obviously, she's into beauty.
She's into fashion.
425
00:18:24,654 --> 00:18:27,488
Right, that's what she does.
What she did prior to that,
426
00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:29,490
I can't even begin
to elaborate on,
427
00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:32,410
because it deals with her case.
428
00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:34,162
Did I understand it? I did.
429
00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,580
-You did?
-I did.
430
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:37,715
And I wanna say something.
It was very hurtful
431
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:41,469
to see people like whitney
speculating on what I do
432
00:18:41,504 --> 00:18:44,505
and my business
is less than par.
433
00:18:44,557 --> 00:18:46,307
Why would she take advantage
of the elderly, though?
434
00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:48,559
So when you buy data,
you can actually select
435
00:18:48,595 --> 00:18:51,646
what demographic you want.
-Yeah, correct.
436
00:18:51,681 --> 00:18:53,347
So they would collect
vulnerable people,
437
00:18:53,399 --> 00:18:56,067
get 'em on a subscription,
get their credit card charged
438
00:18:56,102 --> 00:18:57,351
every month,
and they can't get off of it.
439
00:18:57,403 --> 00:18:59,821
I have busted my ass from zero.
440
00:18:59,856 --> 00:19:01,189
I'm sure you know what
that feels like, right?
441
00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:03,807
-Yeah, absolutely.
-From zero.
442
00:19:03,827 --> 00:19:07,144
So it was very hurtful, and you
have never taken the time
443
00:19:07,163 --> 00:19:09,247
to sit down with me
one and one and say--
444
00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:11,482
we've never had a conversation
about my businesses.
445
00:19:11,501 --> 00:19:13,501
Yeah, but you're being charged
with fraud and money laundering.
446
00:19:13,536 --> 00:19:15,486
And you're innocent
until proven guilty
447
00:19:15,505 --> 00:19:17,455
and because I'm charged
with that,
448
00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,507
she puts a blanket statement out
that, oh, jen's doing this
449
00:19:19,542 --> 00:19:21,042
and she's setting up companies
and this is why?
450
00:19:21,094 --> 00:19:22,660
-I didn't--I--
-she said that
451
00:19:22,679 --> 00:19:24,428
this is what this is.
-Yeah.
452
00:19:24,464 --> 00:19:26,848
She explained what
lead generation was, not you.
453
00:19:26,883 --> 00:19:28,516
I will apologize
for speculating.
454
00:19:28,551 --> 00:19:30,184
I was just reading
the indictment and explaining,
455
00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:33,137
'cause I did understand
to some degree.
456
00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:34,705
I mean, how would you feel
if everybody--
457
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:37,775
justin has an ftc thing
out there, and everybody's like,
458
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:39,777
automatically, "oh, my gosh,
that means--"
459
00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:43,281
no wonder why you set up
iris+beau. No wonder why."
460
00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:45,116
-like, that's the same thing.
-Yeah, it's sh--ty.
461
00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:46,684
I'm sorry for doing that.
462
00:19:46,703 --> 00:19:49,320
You've been embroiled
in a lawsuit, justin,
463
00:19:49,355 --> 00:19:52,039
that alleges that your company
is a pyramid scheme.
464
00:19:52,075 --> 00:19:53,875
Anything you can say about that?
465
00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:55,293
I mean, it's--it's a lawsuit
that was put out there
466
00:19:55,328 --> 00:19:57,211
four years ago.
467
00:19:57,247 --> 00:19:59,213
My name was quickly removed
from it.
468
00:19:59,249 --> 00:20:00,915
Uh, but it still lives
out there,
469
00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:04,302
and it's, uh, our--our company
is fighting it vigorously.
470
00:20:04,337 --> 00:20:05,720
It's still in litigation?
471
00:20:05,755 --> 00:20:07,388
It's, well, it just lives
out there. There's--
472
00:20:07,423 --> 00:20:08,923
there hasn't been
a lot of movement
473
00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:10,541
through the last couple years.
474
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,543
And I wanna add to that.
I don't understand
475
00:20:12,562 --> 00:20:16,847
why it is so groundbreaking
that jen, the brown girl,
476
00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:18,900
and her black husband--
how do they get all this money?
477
00:20:18,935 --> 00:20:21,736
Oh, my gosh. It must be
through something illegal.
478
00:20:21,771 --> 00:20:23,521
Why is that the first place
it goes?
479
00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,772
Because let me
tell you something.
480
00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:27,408
My husband--
he has three degrees.
481
00:20:27,443 --> 00:20:29,893
My husband was an attorney,
okay?
482
00:20:29,913 --> 00:20:31,946
He was an attorney for what,
babe, 15 years?
483
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:34,498
-13, baby.
-13 years, okay?
484
00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:37,451
Out of those 13 years,
he was a certified nfl agent.
485
00:20:37,503 --> 00:20:39,337
Seth, you know how much
they make, right?
486
00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:40,588
-Yeah.
-Okay.
487
00:20:40,623 --> 00:20:43,090
-I wish I was one.
-[laughter]
488
00:20:43,126 --> 00:20:44,908
-you know?
-I think that the viewers
489
00:20:44,928 --> 00:20:47,345
didn't understand what you did
and thought,
490
00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,130
"well, he's an assistant coach."
491
00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:50,581
they think
he's a little league coach.
492
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,933
-They think...
-[laughs] little league.
493
00:20:51,968 --> 00:20:53,935
...That you're both living off
the job of an assistant coach
494
00:20:53,970 --> 00:20:55,386
because they don't understand
what you do.
495
00:20:55,421 --> 00:20:59,223
No. My husband is a d1 coach
in the pac-12.
496
00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:00,641
We just played in the rose bowl.
497
00:21:00,693 --> 00:21:02,443
-Yeah.
-This isn't little league.
498
00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:06,430
Um, john, when lisa got the text
from jen after the arrest,
499
00:21:06,449 --> 00:21:08,282
you thought it would be
a good idea for them to talk,
500
00:21:08,318 --> 00:21:11,452
but were you surprised
lisa needed time?
501
00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:12,536
No, I'm not surprised
lisa needed time.
502
00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:16,657
I think there was
some back and forth after the--
503
00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:18,776
what was it, the photo shoot
that lisa was still--
504
00:21:18,795 --> 00:21:20,378
felt a little hurt from.
505
00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,912
You know, everybody's entitled
to feel hurt
506
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:23,280
and have some healing time.
507
00:21:23,299 --> 00:21:25,949
Um, I did tell her not to wait
very long
508
00:21:25,969 --> 00:21:27,468
because it's harder
to pick up the phone
509
00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,638
after, you know, weeks
than it days or hours.
510
00:21:30,673 --> 00:21:33,457
Right. I guess you're referring
to the fight where,
511
00:21:33,476 --> 00:21:35,626
uh, lisa had said that she was
driving in the car
512
00:21:35,645 --> 00:21:37,228
with your sons and jen called...
513
00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:38,896
-He was in there, too.
-Yeah.
514
00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,465
...And proceeded to scream
at her on speakerphone.
515
00:21:41,484 --> 00:21:43,934
What--what was your reaction
when you heard that?
516
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:48,406
I was hysterical, crying,
so they were all trying to--
517
00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:49,774
it's not like you haven't done
that to me
518
00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:51,642
many, many times, so...
-Well, what I--what I was
519
00:21:51,661 --> 00:21:53,444
gonna say is that my reaction--
there wasn't much
520
00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:55,813
of a reaction
because I've been in the room
521
00:21:55,832 --> 00:21:59,200
when lisa and jen have talked
both positively and negatively.
522
00:21:59,252 --> 00:22:01,018
They're two firecrackers that
are going off at the same time.
523
00:22:01,054 --> 00:22:02,503
So my reaction was more like,
524
00:22:02,538 --> 00:22:04,622
"okay,
let's just let it blow over,
525
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:06,173
and then you guys
can talk again."
526
00:22:06,209 --> 00:22:09,176
sharrieff, what did you think
of lisa ignoring jen's calls
527
00:22:09,212 --> 00:22:10,878
after the arrest?
528
00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:12,763
Very candidly, of all the people
529
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,350
I thought would respond
the quickest or the soonest,
530
00:22:16,386 --> 00:22:21,856
I thought it would have
been lisa, so I was sad,
531
00:22:21,891 --> 00:22:27,061
and for heather to show up,
uh, it literally made me cry.
532
00:22:27,113 --> 00:22:29,180
-Aw.
-It--it was overwhelming.
533
00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:31,565
Because the only thing my wife
needed in that moment was, um,
534
00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:36,019
a friend, you know, nobody to
judge, to say anything,
535
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:37,538
to what--"girl, I'm here."
536
00:22:37,573 --> 00:22:39,490
you know, I was talking to jen
about it earlier,
537
00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:44,712
and facing 50 years,
I mean, this is...
538
00:22:44,747 --> 00:22:46,547
I-I can't even put it
into words.
539
00:22:46,582 --> 00:22:48,866
How do you stay optimistic?
540
00:22:48,885 --> 00:22:51,736
You don't have a choice.
You just don't.
541
00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:56,057
'cause the other choice is
to absolutely roll over.
542
00:22:56,092 --> 00:22:58,976
You know, I've literally picked
my wife up.
543
00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:02,646
You know, there were days that
she won't turn over.
544
00:23:02,682 --> 00:23:06,851
She just stays...In the bed
with the covers over her head,
545
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,719
and she's like,
"I'm not getting out of bed.
546
00:23:08,738 --> 00:23:11,739
I won't move.
People hate me anyway.
547
00:23:11,774 --> 00:23:14,458
They all think
that I've done this bad thing,"
548
00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:18,395
and to have my youngest son
come in like clockwork--
549
00:23:18,414 --> 00:23:21,082
"mommy, I love you.
550
00:23:21,117 --> 00:23:24,368
I need you to get up 'cause
daddy said you have to get up."
551
00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:26,120
-[laughs]
-right?
552
00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:27,588
'cause that's what he says,
'cause if I leave early,
553
00:23:27,623 --> 00:23:29,790
then it's his time.
-Right.
554
00:23:29,842 --> 00:23:31,241
-And my baby will go to her.
-Yeah.
555
00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:32,576
And she'll listen to him.
556
00:23:32,595 --> 00:23:34,628
She may not listen
the first seven times to me,
557
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,347
but the first kiss
that he gives her,
558
00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:40,134
she will almost bloom like
a rose, and she will open up.
559
00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:42,052
Say, "okay, baby.
I'm gonna get up."
560
00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:43,938
and I tell him,
"tell mommy that you're hungry
561
00:23:43,973 --> 00:23:45,623
so that she can get up
and make you something to eat."
562
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:48,692
because if he says, "mom,
I'm fine," she'll stay there.
563
00:23:48,728 --> 00:23:51,612
And then several hours
will pass, and she hasn't moved.
564
00:23:51,647 --> 00:23:53,948
That's--that's dealing with this
every day.
565
00:23:53,983 --> 00:23:55,816
This cloud will not go away
until my wife
566
00:23:55,868 --> 00:23:57,818
is vindicated
through this trial.
567
00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,870
It's, uh, at times,
unfathomable.
568
00:23:59,906 --> 00:24:01,705
Are you gonna be there
for the trial?
569
00:24:01,741 --> 00:24:04,608
Sir, yes, sir, to the extent
that I am able to.
570
00:24:04,627 --> 00:24:07,411
-Yeah.
-Yeah. Yeah.
571
00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,046
Well, thank you
for your openness,
572
00:24:09,081 --> 00:24:10,297
for your honesty about that.
573
00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:14,001
So, fellas, uh, what's the plan
for mother's day next year?
574
00:24:14,053 --> 00:24:16,453
You going to the island
in "squid games," maybe?
575
00:24:16,472 --> 00:24:17,922
[laughter]
576
00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:19,173
-that sounds appropriate.
-Yes.
577
00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:21,675
Uh, guys, it was great
seeing you,
578
00:24:21,727 --> 00:24:23,794
and we're gonna be right back
after this.
579
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:25,179
-Thanks, guys.
-This was fun.
580
00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:26,897
Thank you very much.
581
00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:27,932
Coming up...
582
00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:31,402
The ring footage of your kids
was so upsetting,
583
00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:33,437
and we don't know
if stuart's kids
584
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,773
were put through the same.
585
00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:39,443
Have you talked to him
since the arrest?
586
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,580
♪♪♪
587
00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:49,786
back with "the real housewives
of salt lake city" reunion.
588
00:24:49,806 --> 00:24:50,921
I'm andy cohen.
589
00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:54,558
Now during the break, you just
had a big kumbaya moment
590
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,511
with whitney and heather.
-I gave them hugs.
591
00:24:57,563 --> 00:24:59,680
Okay, I gotta hug you guys.
592
00:25:02,068 --> 00:25:06,854
You gotta stop. You gotta
know me before you say stuff.
593
00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:09,857
Do I get a hug,
or is it just heather?
594
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:13,777
-Do I not get a hug?
-Yes, you do, but...
595
00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:16,247
I have put time in.
596
00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:18,282
Why?
597
00:25:18,317 --> 00:25:20,651
Because we should work
on things.
598
00:25:20,670 --> 00:25:23,621
I think we left
the end of the season great.
599
00:25:23,656 --> 00:25:24,988
-Right.
-I think, um,
600
00:25:25,007 --> 00:25:27,541
we had a lot of fun in zion's,
601
00:25:27,593 --> 00:25:29,493
and we're getting
to know each other.
602
00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:31,195
I feel like that's, like,
where we're missing,
603
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:35,216
is we haven't really gotten
to know each other that well.
604
00:25:35,268 --> 00:25:38,385
Well, heather, you know, you did
end the season well with lisa.
605
00:25:38,437 --> 00:25:40,354
Absolutely.
606
00:25:40,389 --> 00:25:41,405
And then you came in strong
tonight.
607
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,973
Because I thought she was
608
00:25:43,008 --> 00:25:46,610
going to come in contrite
and horrified, and, um,
609
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:49,613
with her hat in her hand,
and then when she came in
610
00:25:49,649 --> 00:25:51,982
continuing to do
her daily affirmations
611
00:25:52,017 --> 00:25:53,817
of how she's a good person,
how she's perfect,
612
00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:56,853
how she does it right,
how she was justified,
613
00:25:56,873 --> 00:25:59,406
I--it triggered me.
-Right.
614
00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:02,359
It triggered me because
I basically--
615
00:26:02,378 --> 00:26:05,629
I just want to be in the ugly
with you.
616
00:26:05,665 --> 00:26:06,714
-Yeah.
-You know?
617
00:26:06,749 --> 00:26:07,965
I feel like we're both trying.
618
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,833
Lisa is the reason
that I'm on this couch.
619
00:26:09,868 --> 00:26:13,304
I have never forgotten that,
and I feel like you have--
620
00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:15,756
well, so am I.
Don't leave me out.
621
00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:17,424
-Meredith, truth. You know what?
-I recommended you.
622
00:26:17,476 --> 00:26:18,576
Because at first
lisa only claimed me,
623
00:26:18,611 --> 00:26:22,346
'cause you didn't, but the truth
is meredith was like,
624
00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:23,397
"heather, I recommended you
as well,"
625
00:26:23,432 --> 00:26:26,567
'cause we would do sundance
together--us three.
626
00:26:26,602 --> 00:26:28,552
-Um--
-and I still feel allegiance
627
00:26:28,571 --> 00:26:30,387
to that threesome.
628
00:26:30,406 --> 00:26:32,606
I also thought maybe
I saw some thawing
629
00:26:32,658 --> 00:26:34,742
between the two of you.
630
00:26:34,777 --> 00:26:36,944
I think it's gonna take
more work.
631
00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:39,896
I mean, meredith was mad
at jen for a year
632
00:26:39,916 --> 00:26:41,448
over liking a tweet.
633
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,133
She's gonna be mad at you
for, like, seven.
634
00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:44,752
I mean, you've got--like, if we
do the math on this one, jen,
635
00:26:44,787 --> 00:26:46,370
what's your prediction?
-Seven.
636
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:50,291
Um, I actually do not
hold grudges.
637
00:26:50,343 --> 00:26:51,792
I establish boundaries
638
00:26:51,844 --> 00:26:54,345
based on behavior
to protect myself.
639
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:55,846
Okay.
640
00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,132
And, jen, so you know,
it was not about liking a tweet.
641
00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:00,884
There were things that
I read in that indictment
642
00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:03,387
that trigger all sorts
of stuff for me.
643
00:27:03,422 --> 00:27:04,921
So that's why I was talking
644
00:27:04,941 --> 00:27:06,557
about the things
I was talking about.
645
00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:09,143
It wasn't about being mean.
I wasn't wishing you ill.
646
00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:10,611
Well, we're gonna--
647
00:27:10,646 --> 00:27:12,479
it was I needed a boundary
to protect myself.
648
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:14,949
Okay, well,
we're gonna get into it.
649
00:27:14,984 --> 00:27:16,650
It is time to talk about
the most dramatic thing
650
00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:20,654
to ever happen
in the beauty lab parking lot.
651
00:27:20,706 --> 00:27:22,656
-Why are the police there?
-N.Y.P.D.?
652
00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:24,575
We're looking for jen shah.
653
00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,577
She just left.
654
00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:28,912
Holy sh--.
What the [bleep] is going on?
655
00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:30,447
Take me back.
656
00:27:30,466 --> 00:27:32,783
You leave beauty lab + laser
parking lot.
657
00:27:32,802 --> 00:27:34,785
-Yeah.
-...To go to the hospital.
658
00:27:34,804 --> 00:27:35,803
Right.
659
00:27:35,838 --> 00:27:37,588
How long were you
on the road then
660
00:27:37,623 --> 00:27:39,923
before you got pulled over
by the cops?
661
00:27:39,958 --> 00:27:41,175
Maybe 20 minutes.
662
00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:43,126
Did they arrest you and read you
your miranda rights right there?
663
00:27:43,145 --> 00:27:45,980
No. They just said,
"we wanna talk to you."
664
00:27:46,015 --> 00:27:47,631
I said, "what's going on?"
and they said,
665
00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:49,733
"come with us,
and we'll explain it."
666
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:51,685
and they took you
into the court building
667
00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:54,104
and took you
right into a courtroom?
668
00:27:54,139 --> 00:27:55,522
-Yes.
-So they--
669
00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:57,574
so they said I needed
to see the judge,
670
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:58,525
and that's when they said,
"he'll explain."
671
00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,411
I didn't know anything.
672
00:28:00,446 --> 00:28:02,196
Did you say,
"am I under arrest? Am I...
673
00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:03,864
Can I call my lawyer?"
674
00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:05,199
they said I was under arrest,
and I said, "for what?"
675
00:28:05,251 --> 00:28:06,817
they said you were under arrest.
676
00:28:06,836 --> 00:28:10,037
Right, and then that's when
an attorney came in and said,
677
00:28:10,089 --> 00:28:12,623
"the judge is gonna come out,
and there's been an indictment,"
678
00:28:12,658 --> 00:28:15,509
and that's--at that point
is when I found out
679
00:28:15,544 --> 00:28:17,044
what the charges were.
680
00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:20,047
And your initial reaction
to the charges was?
681
00:28:20,099 --> 00:28:22,800
Um, shock.
682
00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:25,719
Did they say,
"we are charging you
683
00:28:25,771 --> 00:28:28,906
with fraud
and money laundering,
684
00:28:28,941 --> 00:28:32,226
and you are--"
that you could face 50 years?
685
00:28:32,278 --> 00:28:34,561
Is that when they tell you that?
686
00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:36,080
No. I mean,
I don't remember, really...
687
00:28:36,115 --> 00:28:37,948
-Right.
-...What happened that day...
688
00:28:37,983 --> 00:28:40,367
[laughs] or what he said,
but I just remember
689
00:28:40,403 --> 00:28:44,254
that's when I found out
that there was an indictment.
690
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:48,024
The ring footage of your kids
was so upsetting,
691
00:28:48,044 --> 00:28:52,629
and viewers were really upset
by it.
692
00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:55,883
Why did you give us the footage
and--and want people to see it?
693
00:28:55,918 --> 00:28:57,668
You know, I went back and forth
with this.
694
00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:01,555
I-I talked to coach about it,
and, um,
695
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:03,090
because it's extremely
traumatizing.
696
00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:04,641
Yeah.
697
00:29:04,677 --> 00:29:06,510
But I feel like it's important
for people to see.
698
00:29:06,545 --> 00:29:08,929
-Why?
-For people to see that
699
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:10,848
it doesn't matter if you live
700
00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:14,118
in a gated community
in park city.
701
00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:18,188
It doesn't matter what you have.
We're in 2022,
702
00:29:18,223 --> 00:29:19,690
and this is still happening.
703
00:29:19,725 --> 00:29:22,092
These are how my boys
were treated--
704
00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:23,944
my nephew, his son, omar.
705
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:28,565
One of the things that was
most upsetting is, um...
706
00:29:28,584 --> 00:29:31,452
[voice breaking] I didn't know
any of this until that night
707
00:29:31,504 --> 00:29:33,036
when I got home,
708
00:29:33,071 --> 00:29:34,955
and then coach showed me
the footage
709
00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:39,676
on the security camera,
and I just...
710
00:29:39,712 --> 00:29:43,580
I fell apart to have my son
marched out
711
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:45,849
like he did something
with his hands up
712
00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:49,219
with rifles pointed at him,
and it made me sick,
713
00:29:49,254 --> 00:29:50,921
'cause I'm like, heaven forbid,
you know, we all wake up
714
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,140
out of sleep, and you might--
I mean, I know I do.
715
00:29:53,192 --> 00:29:55,642
I'll jump and, like,
wait, where am I?
716
00:29:55,694 --> 00:29:57,528
-Yeah.
-And if he would've done that,
717
00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,262
and the officers took it
the wrong way,
718
00:29:59,281 --> 00:30:01,932
then what would--
what could have happened?
719
00:30:01,951 --> 00:30:06,987
It just made me sick
to my stomach that, you know,
720
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,657
he had to experience that
and my nephew and his wife
721
00:30:10,709 --> 00:30:14,044
and his son that's 12
were there also.
722
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,748
And we don't know if stuart's
kids were put through the same.
723
00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:19,833
We don't know.
724
00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:22,085
Have you talked to him
since the arrest?
725
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,171
No.
726
00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:28,692
You told heather that you
and stuart didn't work together.
727
00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:29,843
What is he?
You know what I mean?
728
00:30:29,895 --> 00:30:32,479
-Is he your business partner?
-Well...No, he's--
729
00:30:32,515 --> 00:30:33,847
-is he your assistant? Is he--
-he's not my business partner.
730
00:30:33,899 --> 00:30:36,200
I mean, we're not partners
in any business.
731
00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:39,703
We didn't work together in
the businesses that, you know,
732
00:30:39,738 --> 00:30:41,371
were being discussed.
733
00:30:41,407 --> 00:30:44,107
We...Meaning on a daily basis.
734
00:30:44,142 --> 00:30:46,143
I mean, stuart was not around me
every day,
735
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:48,695
which is why I had a lot
of other assistants.
736
00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:49,813
-Right.
-Because he was doing
737
00:30:49,832 --> 00:30:50,814
his own stuff.
He would base his--
738
00:30:50,833 --> 00:30:53,316
you refer to him as more
than a business partner.
739
00:30:53,335 --> 00:30:55,669
He's very loyal.
740
00:30:55,704 --> 00:30:57,204
This account is going good.
741
00:30:57,256 --> 00:30:58,989
The infomercial lead is doing
really, really well.
742
00:30:59,008 --> 00:31:00,541
It's just doing more
than we thought.
743
00:31:00,593 --> 00:31:02,325
See what a good boss I am?
744
00:31:02,344 --> 00:31:03,510
-[mouth full] feed me?
-I feed you while you work.
745
00:31:03,546 --> 00:31:05,195
While you make me money,
I feed you.
746
00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:09,266
It's good. It's a good day.
747
00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:12,052
Then you said he's not
your business partner.
748
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:13,387
No, meaning, like,
he's been around me
749
00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:16,723
for 10 years, and I'm gonna
take care of people
750
00:31:16,775 --> 00:31:20,394
that are around me, so as
I expanded my businesses,
751
00:31:20,446 --> 00:31:21,945
I brought him into that,
you know?
752
00:31:21,981 --> 00:31:23,730
Um, and he always knew that
753
00:31:23,782 --> 00:31:25,816
I would always make sure
he was taken care of.
754
00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:28,235
If I could be successful
in something,
755
00:31:28,287 --> 00:31:30,404
I was gonna bring along
everybody that I felt
756
00:31:30,456 --> 00:31:31,755
had helped me get there.
757
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:35,125
He has changed his plea.
He pled guilty,
758
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:41,582
uh, which people regard
as being very bad for your case.
759
00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:43,417
What was your reaction to that?
760
00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:49,590
♪♪♪
761
00:31:49,642 --> 00:31:51,308
coming up...
762
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,143
You called my husband
a sugar daddy.
763
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:54,711
That's disrespectful
to sharrieff.
764
00:31:54,730 --> 00:31:56,763
-That's just a funny joke.
-No, no, no, no.
765
00:31:56,815 --> 00:31:58,382
You're finding
the one specific detail, but--
766
00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:00,601
can I talk?
767
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:01,919
Please.
768
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:10,811
Stuart's changed his plea.
He pled guilty,
769
00:32:10,863 --> 00:32:15,315
which people regard
as being very bad for your case.
770
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:17,317
What was your reaction to that?
771
00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:20,070
♪♪♪
772
00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:22,706
I mean, I wish I could respond
to that or answer it,
773
00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:25,325
but I can't because it has
to do with--
774
00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:29,046
obviously with the legal case.
But, um...
775
00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:31,882
Yeah, I can't--
I can't comment on it.
776
00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:34,084
-You know stuart.
-Yes.
777
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,336
Have you spoken to him
since the arrest?
778
00:32:36,388 --> 00:32:38,922
I have not. I have not.
779
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,674
Has anyone here
spoken to stuart?
780
00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:42,559
I reached out
right after the arrest,
781
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:44,011
but I didn't hear back.
782
00:32:44,063 --> 00:32:45,345
I-I tried to call him, too,
but--
783
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:46,847
I'm sure you did,
just like you tried to call...
784
00:32:46,899 --> 00:32:48,815
But when he pled guilty,
I thought, you know...
785
00:32:48,851 --> 00:32:51,068
-...My former person.
-...He's pleading,
786
00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:52,986
and jen's gonna be--like,
there's a chance that he's just
787
00:32:53,022 --> 00:32:55,906
gonna take it, own it, and this
will be jen's vindication.
788
00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:57,741
I mean, this was someone
who you described as being
789
00:32:57,776 --> 00:33:00,110
so close to you. It had to...
790
00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:01,345
Yeah, absolutely.
791
00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:05,315
I think I've told you this,
but I wanna tell you again that,
792
00:33:05,334 --> 00:33:07,200
you know, I appreciate you
sticking with me
793
00:33:07,252 --> 00:33:09,319
through the bad times,
the good times,
794
00:33:09,355 --> 00:33:12,989
and I hope you realize, too,
like, the sacrifices I made.
795
00:33:13,008 --> 00:33:15,375
They're to take care of you
and your family.
796
00:33:15,427 --> 00:33:17,761
I've seen that, and I know
that you'll always be there,
797
00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:19,846
and I'll always be here
for you.
798
00:33:19,882 --> 00:33:22,049
To have someone close to you
799
00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:23,050
and then told one day
out of the blue,
800
00:33:23,102 --> 00:33:26,970
"you can't talk to him
anymore," that's...Hard.
801
00:33:27,006 --> 00:33:29,272
How did it feel watching
the women discuss
802
00:33:29,308 --> 00:33:31,641
how you paid for things
like lavish parties
803
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,393
and the shah squad?
804
00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:36,396
I have had a lot of questions
around jen's lifestyle.
805
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,115
Like, it intrigues me where
806
00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:41,735
she gets all of her money
and all of her things from.
807
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:45,906
Like, throwing down an $80,000
birthday party for meredith.
808
00:33:45,958 --> 00:33:48,592
I knew some people were
full of sh-- a year ago.
809
00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:50,026
Like, lisa, you brought up
to me--
810
00:33:50,045 --> 00:33:51,194
she came to me. She's like,
"I just want you to know
811
00:33:51,213 --> 00:33:53,096
people are questioning
where you get your money from,"
812
00:33:53,132 --> 00:33:55,232
and I'm like, why? Because I'm
brown and sharrieff's black?
813
00:33:55,267 --> 00:33:57,134
-This is what I said. This is--
-and you guys don't know?
814
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:58,418
And so you gotta--
you gotta put down, like,
815
00:33:58,470 --> 00:34:00,103
successful people of color?
816
00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:01,304
I didn't--I didn't say
I questioned you.
817
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,573
Don't direct that at me.
What I said--
818
00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:05,042
you--but you're the--
the only time I ever heard it,
819
00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:07,427
you brought it to me.
-The only thing I ever said,
820
00:34:07,479 --> 00:34:08,979
and, yeah, we all talked
about it.
821
00:34:09,014 --> 00:34:10,347
-Who?
-Like, I heard, like...
822
00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:11,348
You guys all said it.
823
00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:13,683
I never had a conversation
with you about it.
824
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:15,218
I've never had a conversation
about jen's livelihood.
825
00:34:15,237 --> 00:34:16,103
You guys have said it.
You guys have said it.
826
00:34:16,155 --> 00:34:17,270
I don't comment
on other people's money.
827
00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:19,106
I've talked about not
understanding your business,
828
00:34:19,158 --> 00:34:20,407
but I've never counted
your money.
829
00:34:20,442 --> 00:34:22,058
So what was your motive
in telling jen
830
00:34:22,077 --> 00:34:23,276
that people were questioning
where she got her money?
831
00:34:23,328 --> 00:34:25,228
Well, she was wondering why
everyone was always against her,
832
00:34:25,247 --> 00:34:27,730
and I go, "I think that they
think things don't add up."
833
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:30,033
there was no motive. It was
just a direct conversation.
834
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:32,335
But why does nothing add up?
Like, what did I do
835
00:34:32,371 --> 00:34:33,537
that it doesn't add up?
Because I have nice things?
836
00:34:33,572 --> 00:34:35,872
Ask everybody else. Don't
ask me, 'cause I didn't say it.
837
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:37,457
You told me, though.
838
00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:38,959
I told you that other people
said it. Ask them.
839
00:34:39,011 --> 00:34:40,177
-Yeah.
-Ask them.
840
00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:41,578
Okay, well,
whitney, whitney, why?
841
00:34:41,597 --> 00:34:42,679
No, and I-I have to say this.
842
00:34:42,714 --> 00:34:46,016
I've never questioned
your success. You are smart,
843
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:47,768
and I know people that you used
to work with,
844
00:34:47,803 --> 00:34:48,802
and they speak very highly
of you,
845
00:34:48,854 --> 00:34:50,303
and they're very intelligent.
846
00:34:50,355 --> 00:34:52,055
And they make a lot of money,
too, you know?
847
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,474
Yeah. I feel bad that you feel
like we were questioning,
848
00:34:54,526 --> 00:34:55,758
like, your success.
849
00:34:55,778 --> 00:34:59,980
That's not what I questioned.
I just have never had a friend
850
00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:02,115
at your level
that has spent money that way.
851
00:35:02,151 --> 00:35:03,950
-Like, that's new for me.
-You said--you said
852
00:35:03,986 --> 00:35:06,703
in your audition that you spend,
like, $50,000 a month...
853
00:35:06,738 --> 00:35:08,071
-Yeah.
-...On things.
854
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,373
My husband travels a lot.
855
00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:13,160
There are, like,
20 pieces of luggage
856
00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:15,328
when we travel, and, like,
857
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:17,047
maybe 17 are mine.
858
00:35:17,082 --> 00:35:19,416
I'm telling you, boy,
she's two types of crazy now.
859
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,501
I probably spend at least
50 grand a month.
860
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:25,839
My wife's shopping habits
can be in and of themselves
861
00:35:25,891 --> 00:35:28,809
a daily source of my drama.
862
00:35:28,844 --> 00:35:33,230
So that seems like a lot
to people.
863
00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:36,149
Well, whitney,
you were also speculating
864
00:35:36,185 --> 00:35:38,401
about jen's business practices
in the van,
865
00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:41,021
and a lot of viewers wondered
how you knew so much
866
00:35:41,073 --> 00:35:44,491
about fraud
and money laundering.
867
00:35:44,526 --> 00:35:46,142
That's a good question.
868
00:35:46,161 --> 00:35:47,944
Um, one, I was just reading
the indictment,
869
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,146
and two, like I said,
I do know someone that
870
00:35:50,165 --> 00:35:53,533
she used to work with,
and it was explained to me.
871
00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:57,704
You were able to explain
what legal lead generation is.
872
00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:01,007
She buys people's information.
She sells that information.
873
00:36:01,043 --> 00:36:03,009
That's like the simplistic way
of...Yeah.
874
00:36:03,045 --> 00:36:04,678
Yeah, but it's just
lead nurturing is what it is.
875
00:36:04,713 --> 00:36:06,263
She gives companies leads.
876
00:36:06,298 --> 00:36:09,349
The entire way that people
do online marketing
877
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,434
is through
legal lead generation,
878
00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:14,971
and that's when you opt in
on a website or opt out
879
00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:17,474
of, like, your data being used.
880
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:21,978
So how is that different from
what jen is being accused of?
881
00:36:22,014 --> 00:36:24,447
I don't know,
but I do know that
882
00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:27,701
there's a big gray area.
883
00:36:27,736 --> 00:36:29,986
Like, people can be practicing
something and be unaware
884
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,155
that it's breaking a rule.
885
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:33,740
Jen, what did you think
of whitney's assessment
886
00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:35,792
of your business?
887
00:36:35,827 --> 00:36:38,295
-It's not accurate.
-Was it--
888
00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:39,529
but what she said about
lead generation was accurate.
889
00:36:39,548 --> 00:36:41,531
I know, but I don't do
lead generation.
890
00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:42,749
-Okay, so that's--
-I do data monetization.
891
00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:44,301
Oh, okay.
892
00:36:44,336 --> 00:36:46,169
How do you define
data monetization?
893
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:51,591
Monetization is generating money
from data--
894
00:36:51,643 --> 00:36:52,709
a name and a phone number.
895
00:36:52,728 --> 00:36:56,313
So the accusation is that
you're selling information
896
00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,551
about people who are elderly
or somehow impaired
897
00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:03,937
who are then being roped
into paying for things.
898
00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:06,055
That's the accusation?
899
00:37:06,074 --> 00:37:10,126
I-I can't comment on it.
900
00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:14,247
Courtney dione thinks you are
a flip-flopper, whitney.
901
00:37:14,283 --> 00:37:17,334
"one minute you're persecuting
and investigating jen,
902
00:37:17,369 --> 00:37:20,337
and the next you're offering
your support." did you feel like
903
00:37:20,372 --> 00:37:22,622
she was a flip-flopper
once you watched it?
904
00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:25,792
When I watched it,
I was surprised to see--
905
00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:27,510
obviously, I didn't know.
906
00:37:27,546 --> 00:37:29,245
When we were going through it
at the moment,
907
00:37:29,264 --> 00:37:31,081
I felt like you were supportive.
908
00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:33,016
Yeah, it took me a moment
to figure out
909
00:37:33,051 --> 00:37:35,769
how I was gonna show up for you,
910
00:37:35,804 --> 00:37:38,221
because when you hear all of
this information about a friend,
911
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:42,125
I don't care who you are,
it rocks your own moral code.
912
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,976
Like, how am I gonna show up
as a friend?
913
00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:44,361
But it shouldn't
if you're a real friend.
914
00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,645
If you--then I must not be
your friend.
915
00:37:45,697 --> 00:37:47,647
But, jen, I made the--I made
the choice to show up for you.
916
00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:49,316
-Okay.
-And questioning it
917
00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:50,900
and showing up--
-well, the things you said
918
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:52,118
afterward hurt not only me.
919
00:37:52,154 --> 00:37:54,204
It hurt my husband,
and it hurt my boys.
920
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,823
-I feel--
-what, though?
921
00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:59,326
-On "watch what happens live"--
-what did I say or do?
922
00:37:59,378 --> 00:38:02,162
It wasn't positive. Like,
you were like, "I don't know."
923
00:38:02,214 --> 00:38:03,296
I don't know, jen.
924
00:38:03,332 --> 00:38:07,083
As more information came out,
it--I was pretty certain
925
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,669
one of them
had to have been involved.
926
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,087
I worry for jen and her family.
927
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:13,456
I don't think that this is
good for jen.
928
00:38:13,475 --> 00:38:14,674
-But she wasn't horrible.
-I'm taking your word for it.
929
00:38:14,726 --> 00:38:16,309
Like, I--you say
you're innocent,
930
00:38:16,345 --> 00:38:17,477
and I'm supporting you in it.
-But if you believe me--
931
00:38:17,512 --> 00:38:19,229
it wasn't cruel and horrible
and say a lot of horrible,
932
00:38:19,264 --> 00:38:20,630
cruel, ridiculously bad things,
and no one did.
933
00:38:20,649 --> 00:38:25,352
Jen, that same--that same week,
you hashtagged #marywasright.
934
00:38:25,404 --> 00:38:27,003
Because you called my husband
a sugar daddy,
935
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,439
and you put me
and the work I've done down,
936
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:32,709
and my husband. That's
disrespectful for sharrieff.
937
00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:34,310
That's ----ing racist.
938
00:38:34,329 --> 00:38:36,613
I thought she said,
"maybe she has a sugar daddy."
939
00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:39,032
whitney, john d. Wants to know
if you ever questioned
940
00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:41,851
or suspect jen's
business practices.
941
00:38:41,887 --> 00:38:46,339
So...I've never questioned
if what she's doing
942
00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:47,707
was legal or not.
-Okay.
943
00:38:47,759 --> 00:38:50,543
I questioned the lifestyle,
the amount of money.
944
00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:52,045
I always thought she had
a sugar daddy...
945
00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:53,263
-Okay.
-...To be honest with you.
946
00:38:53,298 --> 00:38:54,514
-I never--no.
-It was not coach shah.
947
00:38:54,549 --> 00:38:57,934
No, I-I honestly thought someone
was just giving her money.
948
00:38:57,969 --> 00:38:59,469
-I made the situation lighter.
-I mean, after everything
949
00:38:59,504 --> 00:39:01,604
that's gone on,
you're upset about her saying
950
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,106
maybe she has a sugar daddy?
-No, because she--
951
00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:04,441
-that's just a funny joke.
-You said you--
952
00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:05,558
no, no, no.
953
00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:07,060
You've made jokes
like that, too, jen.
954
00:39:07,112 --> 00:39:08,611
I'm doing it now because
I'm trying to make a joke
955
00:39:08,647 --> 00:39:10,480
out of what you said.
956
00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:11,981
You think she hasn't shown up
for you?
957
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:13,349
But you told us you had
a sugar daddy.
958
00:39:13,368 --> 00:39:14,567
You're--you're finding
the one specific detail,
959
00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:16,319
but overall, has she not--
-no, this is what I'm talk-
960
00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:18,521
can I talk, please?
961
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:23,543
♪♪♪
962
00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:24,828
coming up...
963
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:25,995
You know what the docket is,
and I've explained this to you.
964
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:26,963
-So don't go hard on me right--
-bitch, don't talk to me
965
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:29,249
about a ----ing docket.
I know what it is.
966
00:39:29,301 --> 00:39:30,417
Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.
So then youhould understand
967
00:39:30,469 --> 00:39:32,168
and you shouldn't be going
this hard.
968
00:39:32,203 --> 00:39:33,420
What are you even talking about,
docket?
969
00:39:33,472 --> 00:39:34,754
Don't call me bitch.
Don't call me bitch.
970
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:36,005
-Bitch.
-Ah!
971
00:39:39,009 --> 00:39:40,593
Do you feel like
she hasn't shown up for you?
972
00:39:40,645 --> 00:39:42,545
You're finding
the one specific detail,
973
00:39:42,564 --> 00:39:43,713
but overall, has she not--
-no, this is what I'm talk--
974
00:39:43,749 --> 00:39:46,316
can I talk?
975
00:39:46,351 --> 00:39:48,401
Please.
976
00:39:48,437 --> 00:39:49,936
-Yes.
-What it feels like on my end
977
00:39:49,988 --> 00:39:52,739
is, like, "hey, jen, we can
treat you like sh--
978
00:39:52,774 --> 00:39:56,076
'cause you should be happy that
you even have a friend
979
00:39:56,111 --> 00:39:57,444
that shows up 60%.
980
00:39:57,496 --> 00:39:59,946
So if we sh-- on you,
it's okay 'cause you need
981
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:01,614
all the friends you can get
right now."
982
00:40:01,666 --> 00:40:02,766
[voice breaking]
that's the message I get.
983
00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:06,169
That's not fair, and that's
what I'm talking about.
984
00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:08,121
Well, you sh-- on me,
and I still showed up for you.
985
00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:10,957
-And we went through it.
-So that's the truth of it.
986
00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:12,575
But why does it keep coming up?!
987
00:40:12,594 --> 00:40:13,843
It hasn't. I didn't bring it up.
988
00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:15,962
-Every day. Today.
-Ask andy why
989
00:40:16,014 --> 00:40:17,680
it's still coming up.
-No, today you said, too.
990
00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:19,382
You're like,
"jen's always sh--ty."
991
00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:20,800
I know. You guys remind me
constantly.
992
00:40:20,852 --> 00:40:22,719
I didn't say,
"jen's always sh--ty."
993
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:23,853
-heather--
-I've never made that joke.
994
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,254
No, just earlier, and I go,
"heather, can we, like,
995
00:40:25,273 --> 00:40:26,806
not say that anymore?"
996
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:28,975
I'm blindly showing up
for this one,
997
00:40:29,027 --> 00:40:30,426
who's been horrible to me,
and I'm just, like--
998
00:40:30,445 --> 00:40:31,978
you don't have to
keep saying that.
999
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:33,530
Well, you know what? It's true,
1000
00:40:33,565 --> 00:40:35,648
and so jen's been horrible
to me, and I show up.
1001
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:38,318
It hurts me every time
you say that, 'cause I'm sorry.
1002
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:40,987
-I'm sorry.
-Can I ask you a question?
1003
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,573
-Jen...
-[scoffs]
1004
00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:45,492
they're--they're in
a sprinter van
1005
00:40:45,544 --> 00:40:48,912
that is swarmed by
homeland security and the fbi.
1006
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:53,249
Wouldn't it be natural for them
to question this...
1007
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,168
-Absolutely.
-...And look into it
1008
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:57,286
and speculate about it?
1009
00:40:57,305 --> 00:40:59,022
It is, yep.
It's absolutely normal...
1010
00:40:59,057 --> 00:41:01,307
-It's human nature.
-...To think--absolutely.
1011
00:41:01,343 --> 00:41:03,009
But to sit there
and then go beyond it,
1012
00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:06,496
and when I'm at my lowest
bring up other sh--
1013
00:41:06,531 --> 00:41:09,632
that's not ----ing true?
No! That's not normal.
1014
00:41:09,668 --> 00:41:11,434
Okay, well,
let's talk about that.
1015
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:12,602
Well, first of all,
lisa, after the arrest,
1016
00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,771
it seemed like
you were immediately
1017
00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:16,356
trying to distance yourself...
-No, I was not.
1018
00:41:16,408 --> 00:41:17,690
-...From jen.
-No, I was not.
1019
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:19,642
-Yes, you were.
-No, I'm gonna speak for myself.
1020
00:41:19,678 --> 00:41:20,910
-You don't get to speak for me.
-I'll speak for you,
1021
00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:22,445
'cause you speak
for everyone else!
1022
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,613
No, no, no, I do not speak
for everyone else.
1023
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:24,747
-Yes, you do!
-Okay, I'm gonna answer
1024
00:41:24,783 --> 00:41:26,032
the question, and I--
-no! Be quiet!
1025
00:41:26,084 --> 00:41:27,817
-No, I'm not gonna be quiet.
-I'll speak for you. You did.
1026
00:41:27,836 --> 00:41:29,502
-No, I did not. I called--
-yes, you did!
1027
00:41:29,538 --> 00:41:31,037
-Don't--
-you called all your lawyers.
1028
00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:33,056
Can you tell me what's going on?
1029
00:41:33,091 --> 00:41:35,375
Would homeland security
show up for that?
1030
00:41:35,427 --> 00:41:37,710
I mean, like, I-I'm, like,
literally shook.
1031
00:41:37,762 --> 00:41:41,548
Is something bigger happening?
Should I be stressed?
1032
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600
I'm physically shaking.
1033
00:41:43,635 --> 00:41:46,052
I called six lawyers because
there was no information.
1034
00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:46,886
I called them and asked them,
1035
00:41:46,938 --> 00:41:48,688
"is there anything
on the docket?"
1036
00:41:48,723 --> 00:41:49,973
like, the docket?
Like, some legal legi--
1037
00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,559
that is a smart--
it's something I--
1038
00:41:52,611 --> 00:41:53,610
what was your reaction
to her calling the lawyers?
1039
00:41:53,645 --> 00:41:56,980
No, no, any claim against you
is on the docket.
1040
00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:58,448
I don't know what the docket is,
but...
1041
00:41:58,483 --> 00:42:00,683
-Google it before you judge.
-You google it.
1042
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,851
You know what it--
you know what the docket is,
1043
00:42:01,887 --> 00:42:03,486
and I've explained this to you,
1044
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:04,537
so don't go hard on me
when I'm--
1045
00:42:04,573 --> 00:42:05,521
bitch, don't talk to me
about a ----ing docket.
1046
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:06,456
I know what it is.
Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.
1047
00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:08,374
Then don't--
then you should understand,
1048
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:09,292
and you shouldn't be going
this hard.
1049
00:42:09,327 --> 00:42:10,710
What are you even talking
about, docket?
1050
00:42:10,745 --> 00:42:11,911
Don't call me bitch.
Don't call me bitch.
1051
00:42:11,963 --> 00:42:13,363
-Bitch.
-Does that make you feel good?
1052
00:42:13,398 --> 00:42:14,547
-Jen.
-Does that make you feel good?
1053
00:42:14,583 --> 00:42:15,798
It does, because you're a bitch
to everyone else up here.
1054
00:42:15,834 --> 00:42:16,799
-Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.
-Jen--
1055
00:42:16,835 --> 00:42:19,002
-just pile on.
-I can yell just as loud as you.
1056
00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:21,638
I can poke just as far as you.
I could do this
1057
00:42:21,673 --> 00:42:22,922
just as much as you.
We can do this all day long.
1058
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:24,591
Okay, okay, I see what
you're doing here.
1059
00:42:24,643 --> 00:42:26,042
-I see what you're doing here.
-Oh, what am I doing?
1060
00:42:26,061 --> 00:42:27,877
I see what you're doing here.
Turning the narrative.
1061
00:42:27,913 --> 00:42:29,112
Oh, my gosh!
1062
00:42:29,147 --> 00:42:32,348
The women all got together
in vail at dinner,
1063
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,017
and a lot was said at the table.
1064
00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:36,603
Meredith, in vail,
you decided jen was guilty
1065
00:42:36,655 --> 00:42:38,905
without hesitation.
Why was that?
1066
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:40,389
No, I did not. I said
innocent until proven guilty
1067
00:42:40,408 --> 00:42:42,558
a hundred times.
1068
00:42:42,577 --> 00:42:44,611
Yeah, but me watching it,
meredith,
1069
00:42:44,663 --> 00:42:46,412
I remember you saying that,
but then you were like,
1070
00:42:46,448 --> 00:42:47,730
"you see?
I tried to tell you guys.
1071
00:42:47,766 --> 00:42:50,300
I tried to tell you guys.
You don't know her."
1072
00:42:50,335 --> 00:42:52,118
and then you're over here,
coddling lisa, which,
1073
00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:54,120
you know what? I do say I get
why meredith was probably pissed
1074
00:42:54,172 --> 00:42:56,623
because you were like,
"I don't know jen."
1075
00:42:56,675 --> 00:42:58,041
you literally wrote me off.
1076
00:42:58,076 --> 00:43:00,043
What was your reaction
to hearing
1077
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:01,961
that she didn't wanna be
in a room with you?
1078
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:05,048
It was hurtful because I'm like,
wow, she doesn't believe me.
1079
00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:07,083
I wanna talk
about the uber story.
1080
00:43:07,102 --> 00:43:11,087
Lisa, were you insinuating
that jen was having an affair?
1081
00:43:11,106 --> 00:43:15,441
Jen was calling me that night
at, like, 1:30 in the morning.
1082
00:43:15,477 --> 00:43:19,145
She was really upset with me.
It was after my kids' event.
1083
00:43:19,197 --> 00:43:21,531
I wasn't insinuating
that she was having an affair.
1084
00:43:21,566 --> 00:43:25,902
I just was like, she's out
and about and, like, mad at me.
1085
00:43:25,937 --> 00:43:28,371
Why did you get out
of heather's uber?
1086
00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:30,740
Because [bleep]
was picking me up.
1087
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:32,575
And out of respect
for heather,
1088
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,110
he can't come
to heather's house.
1089
00:43:34,129 --> 00:43:35,044
No, 'cause he stole from me.
1090
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,829
He's not welcome anywhere
in my vicinity.
1091
00:43:36,881 --> 00:43:38,748
Why couldn't the uber
just bring you home?
1092
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,751
-It's a 45-minute drive and--
-so you just got out.
1093
00:43:41,786 --> 00:43:44,187
-I don't wanna drive 45 minutes.
-She also had told me
1094
00:43:44,222 --> 00:43:45,588
continually that she had
no relationship with him.
1095
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,123
This was after that.
1096
00:43:47,158 --> 00:43:49,892
There was
a whole uber driver story.
1097
00:43:49,928 --> 00:43:52,628
Yeah, there was a podcast where
they interviewed the uber driver
1098
00:43:52,647 --> 00:43:55,982
who picked you up, allegedly...
-An uber driver?
1099
00:43:56,017 --> 00:43:57,483
...And brought you
to some condo.
1100
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,770
Yeah, that's--that's a lie.
1101
00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:02,772
-[scoffs]
-as far as you know,
1102
00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:04,907
are you red-flagged
at louis vuitton?
1103
00:44:04,943 --> 00:44:07,193
-No, I'm not.
-Where did you get that?
1104
00:44:07,245 --> 00:44:09,862
From somebody who works
at louis vuitton.
1105
00:44:09,914 --> 00:44:13,816
Meredith, danielle from new york
wants to know
1106
00:44:13,852 --> 00:44:16,202
what jen has done specifically
to terrorize your family
1107
00:44:16,254 --> 00:44:18,154
the last two years?
1108
00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:21,207
Well, for starters, I'd been
told by multiple parties,
1109
00:44:21,259 --> 00:44:22,542
some of which are in this room,
1110
00:44:22,594 --> 00:44:25,211
that you were looking
to destroy me.
1111
00:44:25,263 --> 00:44:28,164
Just say the names, meredith.
Say the names,
1112
00:44:28,183 --> 00:44:29,832
because otherwise
I feel like it's me,
1113
00:44:29,851 --> 00:44:31,884
and it pisses me off.
1114
00:44:31,936 --> 00:44:35,855
And then I start hearing other
things that led me to believe
1115
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:39,976
that there was collusion
involved, things like that,
1116
00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:43,345
and I just--I was like, okay,
this is enough. I'm done.
1117
00:44:43,365 --> 00:44:44,981
And that was it.
1118
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:48,517
I have never looked
to destroy you or anybody else.
1119
00:44:48,536 --> 00:44:50,903
I've never dug up information.
1120
00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,038
I've never hired
an private investigator.
1121
00:44:52,073 --> 00:44:53,706
I've never done
any of that stuff.
1122
00:44:53,742 --> 00:44:55,458
I wanna talk about
the private investigator.
1123
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:57,910
Why did you hire one?
You felt like you were getting--
1124
00:44:57,962 --> 00:44:59,912
well, he was actually
a cyber specialist.
1125
00:44:59,964 --> 00:45:02,865
-Okay.
-And heather had called me.
1126
00:45:02,884 --> 00:45:05,251
She had gotten these
very bizarre, you know,
1127
00:45:05,303 --> 00:45:07,403
threatening kinds of texts.
-Horrible rhyming--
1128
00:45:07,439 --> 00:45:09,589
rhyming messages of death.
-They were really strange.
1129
00:45:09,641 --> 00:45:13,142
And then my sons actually
both got them.
1130
00:45:13,178 --> 00:45:15,178
-And what were they?
-You know, they were just
1131
00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:17,379
very nasty, menacing--
"I'm coming for you."
1132
00:45:17,399 --> 00:45:19,849
I mean, they're lo--wo--long--
one was very long.
1133
00:45:19,884 --> 00:45:22,402
-The other was not.
-I remember mine.
1134
00:45:22,437 --> 00:45:24,404
-I memorized mine.
-What was yours?
1135
00:45:24,439 --> 00:45:26,289
"roses are red.
Violets are blue.
1136
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,892
Season one is over.
We all played you." [laughs]
1137
00:45:29,911 --> 00:45:31,277
-wow.
-I mean, it was very--
1138
00:45:31,329 --> 00:45:33,613
and what did
the private investigator find?
1139
00:45:33,665 --> 00:45:37,066
He believed it could be jen,
but he didn't say conclusively.
1140
00:45:37,085 --> 00:45:39,285
And so that's why I dropped it.
1141
00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:41,621
And why would he think it's me?
1142
00:45:41,673 --> 00:45:43,039
There are a very limited number
of people
1143
00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:44,540
who would have both contacts.
1144
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:45,875
'cause that was the connection.
1145
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,010
They had to have
both of our numbers and emails,
1146
00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:50,213
which made it
a lot smaller pool.
1147
00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:54,767
So basically it's this room
plus mary and plus production.
1148
00:45:54,803 --> 00:45:56,769
Those are the only people
in this world
1149
00:45:56,805 --> 00:45:58,087
that would have
both of those contacts.
1150
00:45:58,106 --> 00:46:01,257
And so he went through them,
and you know, that was just--
1151
00:46:01,276 --> 00:46:03,309
but he didn't give me
an conclusive answer.
1152
00:46:03,361 --> 00:46:06,312
That was just his opinion,
and that's why I just, again,
1153
00:46:06,364 --> 00:46:08,931
put it away, so I don't--
I don't like to operate
1154
00:46:08,967 --> 00:46:11,901
off of things that aren't fact.
I don't.
1155
00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:14,237
So how about this?
Since we wanna bring up
1156
00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,873
all the horrible,
racist ----ing text messages
1157
00:46:16,908 --> 00:46:20,159
and emails...
Can somebody get coach, please?
1158
00:46:20,211 --> 00:46:21,944
Because apparently
my word on its own
1159
00:46:21,963 --> 00:46:23,946
isn't enough for everybody.
1160
00:46:23,965 --> 00:46:27,083
So we'll get coach out here,
so all of the texts--
1161
00:46:27,118 --> 00:46:28,167
-I never said it was you.
-Lisa, I'm talking right now.
1162
00:46:28,219 --> 00:46:30,002
-Okay.
-So all the text messages
1163
00:46:30,054 --> 00:46:32,488
that I've gotten that said,
"tell your ----ing sons
1164
00:46:32,524 --> 00:46:36,659
that we're gonna skin them
and burn them"--should I,
1165
00:46:36,694 --> 00:46:40,196
by your deduction and logic,
should I say that's from you?
1166
00:46:40,231 --> 00:46:42,131
This is--do you see
how insane this is?
1167
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:44,267
But I didn't say it was
from you, jen. I did not.
1168
00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:46,352
[voice breaking] nobody on
this stage would ever say that
1169
00:46:46,404 --> 00:46:47,937
about your sons, ever.
1170
00:46:47,972 --> 00:46:50,873
But why would you guys think
I'm threatening you guys?!
1171
00:46:50,909 --> 00:46:51,991
-But none of us do.
-That's why I dropped it, jen.
1172
00:46:52,026 --> 00:46:54,861
-This doesn't make any sense!
-That's why I dropped it
1173
00:46:54,913 --> 00:46:57,380
until I read
about encrypted messaging
1174
00:46:57,415 --> 00:46:59,982
in the indictment,
and that's what triggered that.
1175
00:47:00,018 --> 00:47:01,984
Why? There was something
about encrypted messaging
1176
00:47:02,003 --> 00:47:04,153
in the indictment?
-In the indictment, yes.
1177
00:47:04,172 --> 00:47:06,823
And that was what
triggered that,
1178
00:47:06,858 --> 00:47:08,007
and that's why
I started talking.
1179
00:47:08,042 --> 00:47:09,825
And that's why it triggered
the conversation that night.
1180
00:47:09,844 --> 00:47:12,161
-Correct.
-Let me ask you this.
1181
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:16,883
Do any of you think she's guilty
of fraud and money laundering?
1182
00:47:19,437 --> 00:47:22,138
I love jen. I don't care
if she's guilty or not.
1183
00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:23,389
I don't care.
1184
00:47:23,441 --> 00:47:25,057
Jen told me she's innocent,
and I believe her.
1185
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:28,144
And I believe her, too,
and I want the best for her
1186
00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:30,563
and her family, and I will be
in court every day,
1187
00:47:30,615 --> 00:47:35,318
and I will fight for her to--
she's in the fight of her life.
1188
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:38,237
Meredith, do you think
she's innocent?
1189
00:47:38,289 --> 00:47:40,373
I have no idea. I hope so.
It's...
1190
00:47:40,408 --> 00:47:43,292
You know,
I'm not the judge and jury.
1191
00:47:43,328 --> 00:47:44,526
Yeah, we got your back.
We love you. We love you.
1192
00:47:44,546 --> 00:47:49,415
Just the--the success rate of
the new york state attorney
1193
00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:55,004
is, like, 95%. Does that--
-because people take plea deals.
1194
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:56,305
I'm fighting this.
I am innocent.
1195
00:47:56,341 --> 00:47:57,539
She's fighting this.
She's fighting it.
1196
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,009
[voice breaking] and I will
fight for every person out there
1197
00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:01,427
that can't fight for themselves
1198
00:48:01,479 --> 00:48:03,546
because they don't have
the resources or the means,
1199
00:48:03,581 --> 00:48:05,348
so they--they don't fight.
1200
00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:08,184
I will fight because
number one, I'm innocent,
1201
00:48:08,219 --> 00:48:11,053
and number two--
I'm gonna ----ing represent
1202
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:13,055
every other person out there
that can't fight
1203
00:48:13,091 --> 00:48:15,358
and hasn't been able to.
[sniffles]
1204
00:48:15,393 --> 00:48:17,443
why do you think
they targeted you?
1205
00:48:17,495 --> 00:48:19,629
'cause meredith called the feds.
1206
00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:22,265
-Just kidding.
-[laughter]
1207
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:26,469
all right, we're gonna
be right back after this.
1208
00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:30,606
♪♪♪
1209
00:48:30,642 --> 00:48:33,059
I love you.
1210
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:37,146
♪♪♪
1211
00:48:37,181 --> 00:48:39,315
[coughs]
1212
00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:42,218
[sniffles] okay.
1213
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:44,487
♪♪♪
1214
00:48:45,656 --> 00:48:46,956
do we need a touch-up?
1215
00:48:46,991 --> 00:48:48,824
Where's our makeup bag?
1216
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:51,327
All right.
1217
00:48:51,362 --> 00:48:54,229
And be quiet, please.
1218
00:48:54,249 --> 00:48:57,250
Four...Three...Two...
1219
00:48:57,285 --> 00:48:59,952
Welcome back to "the real
housewives of salt lake city"
1220
00:49:00,004 --> 00:49:01,587
season two reunion.
1221
00:49:01,623 --> 00:49:05,574
Well, I wanna close this topic.
1222
00:49:05,593 --> 00:49:08,961
Jen, the trial is set
for March 22nd.
1223
00:49:09,013 --> 00:49:10,963
-Mm-hmm.
-It's a jury trial?
1224
00:49:11,015 --> 00:49:12,465
Yes.
1225
00:49:12,517 --> 00:49:14,550
I keep saying
the max sentence is 30 years,
1226
00:49:14,585 --> 00:49:16,135
but there's one charge
that's 30 years
1227
00:49:16,187 --> 00:49:19,639
and one charge that's 20 years?
Is that right?
1228
00:49:19,691 --> 00:49:21,774
I-I-I honest--I honestly--
I don't know. I don't know.
1229
00:49:21,809 --> 00:49:24,259
You don't know what
the charge is?
1230
00:49:24,279 --> 00:49:25,778
-What does your attorney say?
-Yeah, what--what--yeah.
1231
00:49:25,813 --> 00:49:28,430
-I mean...
-Like, they don't meet with me
1232
00:49:28,449 --> 00:49:30,466
and say, "hey, listen,
guess what." [laughs]
1233
00:49:30,501 --> 00:49:32,735
-right.
-So I...Yeah.
1234
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:35,371
You know, you've been watching
the season.
1235
00:49:35,406 --> 00:49:39,441
You've been...Pretty quiet
on social media. You've been--
1236
00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:40,943
-are you proud of me?
-I am.
1237
00:49:40,962 --> 00:49:42,778
-We prefer that.
-I'm really impressed.
1238
00:49:42,797 --> 00:49:43,963
I think it's great.
Is there anything else
1239
00:49:43,998 --> 00:49:48,450
that you didn't get to say
today that you feel is important
1240
00:49:48,469 --> 00:49:49,969
for you to say?
1241
00:49:50,004 --> 00:49:53,155
What I wanna say is thank you
for those of you
1242
00:49:53,191 --> 00:49:56,642
that have been there
because you never know
1243
00:49:56,678 --> 00:49:58,828
your one nice word that day
1244
00:49:58,863 --> 00:50:01,013
could be the difference
for somebody.
1245
00:50:01,065 --> 00:50:04,734
And also, I just hope
we can do better in the future
1246
00:50:04,769 --> 00:50:07,670
and--and not judge people,
and myself included.
1247
00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:09,522
You're gonna be on the couch
1248
00:50:09,574 --> 00:50:12,775
at the end of season three
with me?
1249
00:50:12,810 --> 00:50:15,027
-Of course.
-[laughs]
1250
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,363
-I ain't going nowhere.
-All right.
1251
00:50:17,415 --> 00:50:20,816
Okay.
1252
00:50:20,835 --> 00:50:23,836
All right.
We are wrapping things up.
1253
00:50:23,871 --> 00:50:26,038
Before we leave,
I would love to hear something
1254
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:27,957
that you're gonna take away
from this season--
1255
00:50:27,992 --> 00:50:31,210
something that you learned
or, you know,
1256
00:50:31,262 --> 00:50:33,429
that you leave tonight thinking.
1257
00:50:33,464 --> 00:50:34,764
Who wants to start?
1258
00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:36,716
-I can start.
-Okay.
1259
00:50:36,768 --> 00:50:40,052
My biggest takeaway...
1260
00:50:40,104 --> 00:50:42,355
Is that we're all human.
1261
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:45,224
We've all done things we regret
and we can move on,
1262
00:50:45,276 --> 00:50:46,559
and we can make it up to people,
1263
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:48,894
and no one is beyond redemption
in this group,
1264
00:50:48,946 --> 00:50:54,683
and we uniquely love each other,
and, jen,
1265
00:50:54,702 --> 00:50:58,871
for you showing up today,
I commend you, I admire you,
1266
00:50:58,906 --> 00:51:01,207
and you know that I love you.
-Thank you.
1267
00:51:01,242 --> 00:51:02,525
-All right.
-[sniffles]
1268
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,076
well, we're all gonna be
rooting for you.
1269
00:51:04,128 --> 00:51:05,911
-Thank you.
-Yes.
1270
00:51:05,963 --> 00:51:06,996
Jennie?
1271
00:51:07,031 --> 00:51:11,717
So, you know, walking into
this season as a newbie,
1272
00:51:11,753 --> 00:51:15,554
what I took from this is
I will speak my mind more.
1273
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:17,506
I will not just sit back
and observe,
1274
00:51:17,541 --> 00:51:19,642
because I should just
be out there,
1275
00:51:19,677 --> 00:51:20,926
and I feel like I should be
out there more.
1276
00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:22,478
-Absolutely.
-We love you.
1277
00:51:22,513 --> 00:51:24,213
Whitney "wild" rose?
1278
00:51:24,232 --> 00:51:26,766
There's so many things I learned
this season, but the biggest
1279
00:51:26,818 --> 00:51:29,051
is to believe in myself
1280
00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:31,404
and the growth
that I've gone through,
1281
00:51:31,439 --> 00:51:33,239
I can do anything.
1282
00:51:33,274 --> 00:51:37,076
I also have learned that it's
very important to take a stand
1283
00:51:37,111 --> 00:51:38,894
and have an opinion
and stand up.
1284
00:51:38,913 --> 00:51:42,248
Even if it's not
the popular one, it's important.
1285
00:51:42,283 --> 00:51:43,899
Meredith?
1286
00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:47,336
I have learned that it's really
important not to let things
1287
00:51:47,371 --> 00:51:49,922
fester and build
and to communicate,
1288
00:51:49,957 --> 00:51:52,407
because a lot of times
I will internalize things.
1289
00:51:52,427 --> 00:51:54,126
I mean, obviously,
some of the stuff
1290
00:51:54,178 --> 00:51:56,512
I internalized last season,
I didn't have a choice on
1291
00:51:56,547 --> 00:51:58,798
because it wasn't my story
to tell,
1292
00:51:58,850 --> 00:52:01,434
but to not approach
and not communicate
1293
00:52:01,469 --> 00:52:04,419
just snowballs into a mess.
1294
00:52:04,439 --> 00:52:06,272
Lisa?
1295
00:52:06,307 --> 00:52:08,757
Um, I've learned
a lot of things,
1296
00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:10,592
especially
in the last five days.
1297
00:52:10,611 --> 00:52:12,278
Um...
1298
00:52:12,313 --> 00:52:16,632
[voice breaking] I have a very
hard time being vulnerable.
1299
00:52:16,667 --> 00:52:18,701
I just wasn't raised that way,
1300
00:52:18,736 --> 00:52:20,453
and I think
that because I'm not,
1301
00:52:20,488 --> 00:52:23,989
people don't see me for who I am
and what my heart really is.
1302
00:52:24,041 --> 00:52:26,275
[sniffles]
1303
00:52:26,294 --> 00:52:27,827
jen shah?
1304
00:52:27,879 --> 00:52:30,162
You're stronger than you think
you are,
1305
00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:35,167
and if you can get through
the impact of the initial news
1306
00:52:35,219 --> 00:52:37,169
or that whatever
you're going through,
1307
00:52:37,221 --> 00:52:39,171
if you can get
through the impact of that,
1308
00:52:39,223 --> 00:52:40,990
you're gonna be okay,
and as devastating
1309
00:52:41,025 --> 00:52:42,624
as this experience
has been for me,
1310
00:52:42,643 --> 00:52:44,477
the legal situation,
1311
00:52:44,512 --> 00:52:46,128
um, I know that...
1312
00:52:46,147 --> 00:52:48,330
[voice breaking]
my husband loves me, like,
1313
00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:49,798
more than anything.
1314
00:52:49,817 --> 00:52:52,184
And then my kids do, too,
and how much I love them,
1315
00:52:52,236 --> 00:52:55,604
and so, you know, those are
the takeaways that I've learned,
1316
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,356
you know, from this past year.
1317
00:52:57,408 --> 00:53:02,194
Well, thanks to all of you
for a truly mind-blowing season.
1318
00:53:02,246 --> 00:53:04,413
Since we are paying homage
to jen and heather's
1319
00:53:04,448 --> 00:53:06,198
ice castle moment...
-[laughter]
1320
00:53:06,250 --> 00:53:07,783
-oh, my gosh.
-...What better way to wrap up
1321
00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:13,706
the season than with some
fire-roasted friendship churros?
1322
00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,391
Oh, my gosh!
1323
00:53:15,426 --> 00:53:17,359
We have churros.
1324
00:53:17,395 --> 00:53:20,596
I don't think you're supposed
to throw that in there.
1325
00:53:20,615 --> 00:53:23,432
Now, ladies,
if you burn your tongue,
1326
00:53:23,451 --> 00:53:25,901
I am not liable.
Thank you. Okay?
1327
00:53:25,936 --> 00:53:27,203
-Oh, wow, these are--
-thank you. [laughs]
1328
00:53:27,238 --> 00:53:29,805
-these are big.
-I will continue to, like...
1329
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,408
So, heather, say something
to take us out.
1330
00:53:32,443 --> 00:53:34,176
Say something poetic.
1331
00:53:34,212 --> 00:53:36,178
I would like to say
"housewives of salt lake city,"
1332
00:53:36,214 --> 00:53:41,717
we are phenomenal,
beautiful, fashionable,
1333
00:53:41,752 --> 00:53:43,552
real, fake,
1334
00:53:43,588 --> 00:53:45,588
and ----ed up.
-[laughter]
1335
00:53:45,623 --> 00:53:47,056
-and that's why we're here.
-Amen.
1336
00:53:47,091 --> 00:53:48,390
-Cheers!
-To salt lake city.
1337
00:53:48,426 --> 00:53:49,558
-Cheers.
-Cheers.
1338
00:53:49,594 --> 00:53:51,260
-Cheers.
-Cheers.
1339
00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:53,528
Cheers.
[mouth full] oh, these are good.
1340
00:53:53,548 --> 00:53:55,047
-These are good.
-They're so good.
1341
00:53:55,082 --> 00:53:56,465
These are really good.
Oh, my god.
1342
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,050
It's not gluten-free.
1343
00:53:58,085 --> 00:53:59,802
We can eat it.