Andy: Tonight on
"the real housewives of salt lake city" reunion...
Lisa screaming that meredith had sex with half of new york--
what was your reaction to that rant?
Sharrieff, did you ever question where the money came from?
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-just pile on. -Bitch.
Don't call me bitch.
-You are a bitch! -Ahh.
You're being charged with fraud and money laundering.
Do any of you think she's guilty?
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-[beep] -do we get a real break now?
Can we talk or no?
Well, I don't think we can talk off camera right now
in the middle of this.
I'm gonna go to the restroom really quick.
We're resetting for the husbands, right?
I wanna go to the restroom also.
What?
No.
Thank you.
I did not ever mean to hurt you. I understand that hurting you
hurts seth, reid, chloe, and brooks.
You spoke poorly of my whole family.
Uh, and--and...
And I was like--
what would I say about your renovation?
I didn't talk about your house, lisa.
That's what I told, and I was, you know--
okay, so you have a ugly house,
so you should rip my character to shreds.
Okay. Wonderful.
-That's good for you. -Yep, love you guys.
Yep, love you back, brother. Love you back.
I wish you were here in person. I'm so sad that you're not here.
It's intense, you know?
Fair enough.
Can I just see something in your camera?
Okay.
Can you see okay?
Rolling in five, four,
three, two...
We are back
with "the real housewives of salt lake city."
you know what they say? Behind every strong woman
is a man who just wants the wives to get along
so he can play golf... -[laughter]
...Or...Something like that.
Let's say hi to the house husbands. Hey, guys.
-Hello. -Hey, hey.
Great to see you. Seth, I'm sorry that you're not here.
I know that covid is keeping us apart.
Are you still in mississippi part-time?
Yes. Loving it.
-Has meredith come to visit? -She actually has.
Wow, I'd like to see that.
-[laughs] -hey.
John, we all know that it was your big plan
to mess up angie's catering. Why'd you do it?
[laughter]
you know what? I don't know. I'm just that type of person.
Yeah, you seem--you seem to be nothing but drama.
[laughter]
-um, hey, sharrieff. -Andy.
Jen been using that megaphone in the bedroom?
-Thankfully, no. -Right.
-No. -[laughter]
-thankfully. -Uh, duy, how's it going?
Hello, andy.
It's been an interesting ride watching you.
How has it been received at work?
Oh, my goodness. Um, there's been no applications
for sister wives.
-Okay. -[laughter]
you made the joke. I didn't want to.
I didn't want jennie to come after me,
but you're clearly fine joking about it.
-We're trying. -There you go.
Justin, when whitney re-enacted having sex in an interview,
would you say that was an accurate description?
Everything whitney does is an accurate description.
-[laughter] -have you since
upped the quota from two times a week?
Um, no, we're pretty solid two times a week.
[laughter]
whitney, maybe a sore subject,
but how much of justin and your savings
did you use to rebrand the business?
We took half of our savings and put it into this,
and I'm figuring out how we're gonna get that money back.
I have spent my family's entire savings plus some.
Upwards of hundreds of thousands.
You have to be accountable.
Um...Well, when talking about the money,
it's bigger than just the rebrand.
I had bought my business partner out,
so that's part of the lump sum, and how much was it, babe?
-It was, like, half. -Well, I think--I think
the important thing-- it was a savings account
that was liquid, available for us to buy a cabin.
-It's not our entire savings. -Okay.
And so, yeah, she took a lot of it out,
but whitney is the best investment I've ever made, so...
-Aw. -Aw.
The rate of return is better than anything else
I can get out there. -Aw.
-How deep in are you? -We're pretty deep in,
but her business is doing great. -Is it?
-Yeah. -Yeah, just January
compared to last year, I'm up 540%.
And we carry all of her products at beauty lab,
and they sell out as soon as we get them in.
Lizzie from houston said, "whitney, did you feel guilty
knowing justin's 20 years older than you,
and you're squandering his retirement?
Now he has to work until the day he dies."
listen, I am his retirement plan,
and like I said, I'm profiting,
and I'm putting the money back in.
Great.
Seth, you--you commented on whitney's cleavage
quite a bit this season. -Oh, my gosh.
You set the bar for cleavage. I've been talking to meredith
about getting the whitney augmentation.
Oh!
That is art in its purest form.
I mean, whitney, was that awkward for you,
or was it--is it part of your rapport with seth?
No, the first couple times it was funny,
and then I was like, this is becoming a thing.
And I think I made my point by showing up with a titty cake.
-[laughter] -right.
I know that you have a certain appreciation for my cleavage.
I thought I'd give you a mouthful.
[laughter]
so you'll never have to hear it again.
-All: Ohh! -[laughter]
justin, anything you wanna say to seth?
You know what? No, I-I actually--
it's--it's a--I know where it comes from with seth.
If you hang around seth long enough--
I think I know where it comes from, too.
[laughter]
well, I just--I took it in the light that seth brought it.
Seth, we've really come through a very intense conversation
between your wife and lisa.
Seeing the clip of lisa screaming that meredith
had sex with half of new york and you know, questioning
why you don't own a house and saying that you change jobs
every five minutes, what was your reaction to that rant?
Everything this season, I think, andy--
and I'm a big sports guy--
nobody played through pain
more than meredith marks did this year.
Second day dad passed away,
and our family and meredith especially
never got a chance to grieve and heal,
and the worst thing that could ever happen
is to have cameras in her face during this time,
and I commend her for getting through it,
and all I tried to do is make an ass out of myself
to distract the heaviness.
Um...I-I totally get that.
What was your reaction to hearing lisa say that
she had had sex with half of new york?
Did she mention the part that I had sex with the other half?
-Oh, my god. -[laughter]
it's disheartening.
Friendships go through a lot of different chapters.
I'm super hopeful 'cause I know john and lisa super well,
and I hope that everyone can do what we gotta do to heal.
John, how did it feel hearing your wife
say that stuff about meredith?
You know, it was a little-- it was tough.
That's not how lisa normally is.
As soon as she saw it, she broke down.
Uh, she holds meredith dear to her heart,
and she wouldn't wanna say that about anybody
on the stage right now, and especially meredith.
[both mouthing words]
duy, I gotta talk to you because, um,
you and jennie shared a real experience of trauma
when you talked about the birth of your stillborn daughter.
-We went to a hospital. -Uh-huh.
And we hooked you up. Everything was good.
Next thing you know, monitor flatlines.
She didn't make it.
You know, when her birthday comes around...
[voice breaking] it hurts.
Do you really, duy, think that having more children
will ever make up for that?
That's a very valid question. It's...
Family planning has always been a factor.
We've struggled since 2008.
It's an experience that I don't wish upon anybody,
and I don't think that any parent
should ever have to be burying their children.
But the challenge is you guys saw a little window
of how awesome our children are.
Wouldn't the world be nicer if we had more of that?
More kindness, more, you know, beauty.
I get it, and you expressed that,
and you express it well,
but there's a disconnect with the viewers.
Elizabeth from new york asked a really, really good question
that you really have to think about.
She says, "duy, as a medical professional,
knowing the physical and emotional trauma
that jennie has endured
with nine miscarriages and losing a baby,
how can you justify pressuring her
to literally risk her life for another child,
much less her emotional stress?"
very good question, and the reality is,
I worship this woman, and at no point
did I ever ask jennie to get pregnant again.
Did you consider adoption or a surrogate?
Yeah, we did.
We did consider adoption after my daughter passed away,
and we were gonna adopt two twins. Um...
-Okay. -But, you know, life dealt us
with a different hand, and it didn't work out.
But duy still hasn't changed his mind.
You, um, asked jennie for a sister wife.
How long had you been considering that as an option
or thinking about that in your mind?
You know, I--it's one of those things where I
haven't been planning on it at all.
-Okay. -But it was just one
of those things where it was like, look, I need--
we're all businesspeople here, and in business,
sometimes we put our emotions aside
and just think logical or just want results.
And that moment,
it's like, "look, baby, I want results."
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coming up...
This is a tweet from somebody named ugly adjacent--
says, "why does sharrieff not getting the same energy
as erika jayne?
Do you ever question where the money came from?
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we're all businesspeople here.
And in business, sometimes we put our emotion aside
and just think logical or just want results.
And that moment, it's like, "look, baby, I want results."
unfortunately, I did not consider my wife's emotion
at the time.
I was just like, "let's get results.
Let's get more children. How are we gonna go about doing this?"
and this has taken you to the brink, right?
-Your marriage. -Yes.
I...At one point, I told him,
"you need to go get help because if you continue
with this sister wife thing,
this relationship will not work."
and he agreed. He's like, "I will go get help."
-and are you getting help? -Both: Yes.
-And you feel it is helping? -Very helpful.
-Oh, great. That's great. -Oh, that's amazing.
Have any of the other couples been to therapy?
I'm assuming that you two have, yes.
-Well, we have. -You have.
Yes. This is just-- I need to say this.
-Okay. -Because it's too important.
Please, please, recognize, I'm just saying for men,
particularly for black men, therapy is good for us.
-Yeah. -And therapy has been
a huge stigma for therapists in african american communities
that we don't seek them out, so if I can tell anybody,
therapy has been a blessing. -Yeah.
Go get it. We need it, just like you.
You lift weights. You do everything to--for your body.
-You need therapy. -Yeah.
There needs to be somebody who's trained
to help you for your mind. -Yeah.
And let me interject, for asians, the same way.
-Yeah. -You know, growing up in asia,
we don't ever go to therapy.
You know, we hurt as well,
and that's never been identified.
So therapy has been very, very helpful.
So please go.
Okay, I wanna switch gears for a minute.
Sharrieff, walk us through the moment
you found out about jen's arrest.
Well, I, uh, was with an assistant.
I had some, uh, personal health issues that I was dealing with,
and I was being examined.
One of my assistants had my phone and called my wife.
Within 25 minutes of hanging up,
I received a phone call from homeland security.
-And my heart just stopped. -Wow.
So I began making my way home,
where I found law enforcement officers
all throughout my house with guns,
some of which pointed at my baby.
So the call that you got, jen,
that was a real call.
That was a real call.
[cellphone ringing]
hi, baby.
No, not yet. We're still--
we're at beauty lab + laser in the parking lot.
I need to go to the house?
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okay.
-I have some bad news. -What's going on?
I just got a phone call,
and sharrieff sr.'s in the hospital.
Yeah, absolutely.
Sharrieff--he does not go to the doctor,
and we had been arguing about--
I'm like, "you need to go. You need to go."
and this was like the fourth or fifth checkup.
Did you have internal bleeding?
I'll tell you this much. I've had a history of, uh,
unfortunately, some rectal bleeding.
And at this particular time, I was, um...
Bleeding so much that the doctor thought
it was important, so I wanted to let, you know, her know, um,
so the internal bleeding was more, I guess,
gastro internal bleeding. -Right.
Yes, that's accurate.
So I asked, "can you un-mic me? I need to go
try to figure out is he okay? What's happening?"
I mean, the speculation was that you got tipped off by someone.
Right, yeah. No. Uh, if--hey, if I would've got tipped off,
I wouldn't have waited around... [laughs] for, like--
-she was there for a while. -I mean, there was
a period of time that, you know? -Right. Right.
So, yeah, that's the phone call that I got.
So when you got a call at the hospital
from the homeland security,
is that when you called jen... -No.
...To say homeland security was coming?
No, I never talked to her.
Did your assistant say, "I'm at the hospital with coach,
and homeland security's coming."
no. He just told her exactly what I was going through.
-He didn't know that yet. -And then homeland security
called you after your assistant called jen
and said, "we're at your house."
-correct. -Got it.
-That's the sequence. -Got it.
-Correct. -Okay.
Just wanna make sure.
Sharrieff, how did it feel watching the women's response
to jen's arrest?
None of us are safe unless we know the facts.
Today one of my friends mentioned something to me,
which was that she's red-flagged in the system
of louis vuitton because she pays in cash.
I ordered an uber for my house the other night
and physically put her in the uber, sent her on her way,
and she had gotten out, like, a half mile away.
I don't know what happened that night,
but I just wanted to check with somebody and see
if they met up with her.
You think she's meeting up with another guy?
Uh, unbelievably painful.
It hurt.
I mean, I couldn't even watch it.
-It hurt. -Coach watched it.
-Yeah, she didn't-- -and he's like,
"you wanna know who's saying what?"
I was like... [laughs] wait, hold on.
-Yeah. -I'm sure you expected.
-Right, but not to the extent. -Right.
-I did not expect that from... -Right.
We've been talking about rumors
and everything all night. I mean, have--have you two
had, um, cr-crises of infidelity in your marriage?
-No. -No?
Um...This is a tweet from someone named ugly adjacent.
Says, "why is sharrieff not getting the same energy
as erika jayne?
Was he not confused about where all the designer clothing
and million-dollar lifestyle came from?
It doesn't add up."
did you ever question where the money came from?
No, my wife has worked for 20-plus years,
and so much of what people may see in her closet,
the things that she has accumulated over 20-plus years,
it didn't come just yesterday.
It's been amassed over the years.
Accurate.
Was there ever a point where you worried
that you were somehow implicated in it
because you've benefited from the lifestyle?
No. No. I've worked my whole life. No.
You know, no. I-I have not, not at one point.
Like, oh, my god. Maybe I'm gonna be under investigat--
never. Never, you know?
We've been dealing with this now for almost a year,
and it has been painful every day,
but I have not worried that it had any issue--
any issue about myself.
Sharrieff, after the charges, was there ever a conversation
that you had with jen where you doubted her or said,
"was there anything improper that happened in your business?"
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you're being charged with fraud and money laundering.
And then you're innocent until proven guilty,
and because I'm charged, she puts a blanket statement out?
We've never had a conversation about my businesses.
Sharrieff, after the charges, was there ever a conversation
that you had with jen where you doubted her or said,
"was there anything improper that happened in your business?"
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-no. -No?
No. No. No.
I looked at her, and I told her, I said, "listen,
this is going to be tough, tough, and whatever it is,
we're gonna deal with it."
and there was a consensus among, um, the friend group
that they didn't totally ever understand
what it is that she did.
-Have you understood? -[chuckles]
what was your understanding of what her job was?
Well, my wife has done a few things.
Obviously, she's into beauty. She's into fashion.
Right, that's what she does. What she did prior to that,
I can't even begin to elaborate on,
because it deals with her case.
Did I understand it? I did.
-You did? -I did.
And I wanna say something. It was very hurtful
to see people like whitney speculating on what I do
and my business is less than par.
Why would she take advantage of the elderly, though?
So when you buy data, you can actually select
what demographic you want. -Yeah, correct.
So they would collect vulnerable people,
get 'em on a subscription, get their credit card charged
every month, and they can't get off of it.
I have busted my ass from zero.
I'm sure you know what that feels like, right?
-Yeah, absolutely. -From zero.
So it was very hurtful, and you have never taken the time
to sit down with me one and one and say--
we've never had a conversation about my businesses.
Yeah, but you're being charged with fraud and money laundering.
And you're innocent until proven guilty
and because I'm charged with that,
she puts a blanket statement out that, oh, jen's doing this
and she's setting up companies and this is why?
-I didn't--I-- -she said that
this is what this is. -Yeah.
She explained what lead generation was, not you.
I will apologize for speculating.
I was just reading the indictment and explaining,
'cause I did understand to some degree.
I mean, how would you feel if everybody--
justin has an ftc thing out there, and everybody's like,
automatically, "oh, my gosh, that means--"
no wonder why you set up iris+beau. No wonder why."
-like, that's the same thing. -Yeah, it's sh--ty.
I'm sorry for doing that.
You've been embroiled in a lawsuit, justin,
that alleges that your company is a pyramid scheme.
Anything you can say about that?
I mean, it's--it's a lawsuit that was put out there
four years ago.
My name was quickly removed from it.
Uh, but it still lives out there,
and it's, uh, our--our company is fighting it vigorously.
It's still in litigation?
It's, well, it just lives out there. There's--
there hasn't been a lot of movement
through the last couple years.
And I wanna add to that. I don't understand
why it is so groundbreaking that jen, the brown girl,
and her black husband-- how do they get all this money?
Oh, my gosh. It must be through something illegal.
Why is that the first place it goes?
Because let me tell you something.
My husband-- he has three degrees.
My husband was an attorney, okay?
He was an attorney for what, babe, 15 years?
-13, baby. -13 years, okay?
Out of those 13 years, he was a certified nfl agent.
Seth, you know how much they make, right?
-Yeah. -Okay.
-I wish I was one. -[laughter]
-you know? -I think that the viewers
didn't understand what you did and thought,
"well, he's an assistant coach."
they think he's a little league coach.
-They think... -[laughs] little league.
...That you're both living off the job of an assistant coach
because they don't understand what you do.
No. My husband is a d1 coach in the pac-12.
We just played in the rose bowl.
-Yeah. -This isn't little league.
Um, john, when lisa got the text from jen after the arrest,
you thought it would be a good idea for them to talk,
but were you surprised lisa needed time?
No, I'm not surprised lisa needed time.
I think there was some back and forth after the--
what was it, the photo shoot that lisa was still--
felt a little hurt from.
You know, everybody's entitled to feel hurt
and have some healing time.
Um, I did tell her not to wait very long
because it's harder to pick up the phone
after, you know, weeks than it days or hours.
Right. I guess you're referring to the fight where,
uh, lisa had said that she was driving in the car
with your sons and jen called...
-He was in there, too. -Yeah.
...And proceeded to scream at her on speakerphone.
What--what was your reaction when you heard that?
I was hysterical, crying, so they were all trying to--
it's not like you haven't done that to me
many, many times, so... -Well, what I--what I was
gonna say is that my reaction-- there wasn't much
of a reaction because I've been in the room
when lisa and jen have talked both positively and negatively.
They're two firecrackers that are going off at the same time.
So my reaction was more like,
"okay, let's just let it blow over,
and then you guys can talk again."
sharrieff, what did you think of lisa ignoring jen's calls
after the arrest?
Very candidly, of all the people
I thought would respond the quickest or the soonest,
I thought it would have been lisa, so I was sad,
and for heather to show up, uh, it literally made me cry.
-Aw. -It--it was overwhelming.
Because the only thing my wife needed in that moment was, um,
a friend, you know, nobody to judge, to say anything,
to what--"girl, I'm here."
you know, I was talking to jen about it earlier,
and facing 50 years, I mean, this is...
I-I can't even put it into words.
How do you stay optimistic?
You don't have a choice. You just don't.
'cause the other choice is to absolutely roll over.
You know, I've literally picked my wife up.
You know, there were days that she won't turn over.
She just stays...In the bed with the covers over her head,
and she's like, "I'm not getting out of bed.
I won't move. People hate me anyway.
They all think that I've done this bad thing,"
and to have my youngest son come in like clockwork--
"mommy, I love you.
I need you to get up 'cause daddy said you have to get up."
-[laughs] -right?
'cause that's what he says, 'cause if I leave early,
then it's his time. -Right.
-And my baby will go to her. -Yeah.
And she'll listen to him.
She may not listen the first seven times to me,
but the first kiss that he gives her,
she will almost bloom like a rose, and she will open up.
Say, "okay, baby. I'm gonna get up."
and I tell him, "tell mommy that you're hungry
so that she can get up and make you something to eat."
because if he says, "mom, I'm fine," she'll stay there.
And then several hours will pass, and she hasn't moved.
That's--that's dealing with this every day.
This cloud will not go away until my wife
is vindicated through this trial.
It's, uh, at times, unfathomable.
Are you gonna be there for the trial?
Sir, yes, sir, to the extent that I am able to.
-Yeah. -Yeah. Yeah.
Well, thank you for your openness,
for your honesty about that.
So, fellas, uh, what's the plan for mother's day next year?
You going to the island in "squid games," maybe?
[laughter]
-that sounds appropriate. -Yes.
Uh, guys, it was great seeing you,
and we're gonna be right back after this.
-Thanks, guys. -This was fun.
Thank you very much.
Coming up...
The ring footage of your kids was so upsetting,
and we don't know if stuart's kids
were put through the same.
Have you talked to him since the arrest?
♪♪♪
back with "the real housewives of salt lake city" reunion.
I'm andy cohen.
Now during the break, you just had a big kumbaya moment
with whitney and heather. -I gave them hugs.
Okay, I gotta hug you guys.
You gotta stop. You gotta know me before you say stuff.
Do I get a hug, or is it just heather?
-Do I not get a hug? -Yes, you do, but...
I have put time in.
Why?
Because we should work on things.
I think we left the end of the season great.
-Right. -I think, um,
we had a lot of fun in zion's,
and we're getting to know each other.
I feel like that's, like, where we're missing,
is we haven't really gotten to know each other that well.
Well, heather, you know, you did end the season well with lisa.
Absolutely.
And then you came in strong tonight.
Because I thought she was
going to come in contrite and horrified, and, um,
with her hat in her hand, and then when she came in
continuing to do her daily affirmations
of how she's a good person, how she's perfect,
how she does it right, how she was justified,
I--it triggered me. -Right.
It triggered me because I basically--
I just want to be in the ugly with you.
-Yeah. -You know?
I feel like we're both trying.
Lisa is the reason that I'm on this couch.
I have never forgotten that, and I feel like you have--
well, so am I. Don't leave me out.
-Meredith, truth. You know what? -I recommended you.
Because at first lisa only claimed me,
'cause you didn't, but the truth is meredith was like,
"heather, I recommended you as well,"
'cause we would do sundance together--us three.
-Um-- -and I still feel allegiance
to that threesome.
I also thought maybe I saw some thawing
between the two of you.
I think it's gonna take more work.
I mean, meredith was mad at jen for a year
over liking a tweet.
She's gonna be mad at you for, like, seven.
I mean, you've got--like, if we do the math on this one, jen,
what's your prediction? -Seven.
Um, I actually do not hold grudges.
I establish boundaries
based on behavior to protect myself.
Okay.
And, jen, so you know, it was not about liking a tweet.
There were things that I read in that indictment
that trigger all sorts of stuff for me.
So that's why I was talking
about the things I was talking about.
It wasn't about being mean. I wasn't wishing you ill.
Well, we're gonna--
it was I needed a boundary to protect myself.
Okay, well, we're gonna get into it.
It is time to talk about the most dramatic thing
to ever happen in the beauty lab parking lot.
-Why are the police there? -N.Y.P.D.?
We're looking for jen shah.
She just left.
Holy sh--. What the [bleep] is going on?
Take me back.
You leave beauty lab + laser parking lot.
-Yeah. -...To go to the hospital.
Right.
How long were you on the road then
before you got pulled over by the cops?
Maybe 20 minutes.
Did they arrest you and read you your miranda rights right there?
No. They just said, "we wanna talk to you."
I said, "what's going on?" and they said,
"come with us, and we'll explain it."
and they took you into the court building
and took you right into a courtroom?
-Yes. -So they--
so they said I needed to see the judge,
and that's when they said, "he'll explain."
I didn't know anything.
Did you say, "am I under arrest? Am I...
Can I call my lawyer?"
they said I was under arrest, and I said, "for what?"
they said you were under arrest.
Right, and then that's when an attorney came in and said,
"the judge is gonna come out, and there's been an indictment,"
and that's--at that point is when I found out
what the charges were.
And your initial reaction to the charges was?
Um, shock.
Did they say, "we are charging you
with fraud and money laundering,
and you are--" that you could face 50 years?
Is that when they tell you that?
No. I mean, I don't remember, really...
-Right. -...What happened that day...
[laughs] or what he said, but I just remember
that's when I found out that there was an indictment.
The ring footage of your kids was so upsetting,
and viewers were really upset by it.
Why did you give us the footage and--and want people to see it?
You know, I went back and forth with this.
I-I talked to coach about it, and, um,
because it's extremely traumatizing.
Yeah.
But I feel like it's important for people to see.
-Why? -For people to see that
it doesn't matter if you live
in a gated community in park city.
It doesn't matter what you have. We're in 2022,
and this is still happening.
These are how my boys were treated--
my nephew, his son, omar.
One of the things that was most upsetting is, um...
[voice breaking] I didn't know any of this until that night
when I got home,
and then coach showed me the footage
on the security camera, and I just...
I fell apart to have my son marched out
like he did something with his hands up
with rifles pointed at him, and it made me sick,
'cause I'm like, heaven forbid, you know, we all wake up
out of sleep, and you might-- I mean, I know I do.
I'll jump and, like, wait, where am I?
-Yeah. -And if he would've done that,
and the officers took it the wrong way,
then what would-- what could have happened?
It just made me sick to my stomach that, you know,
he had to experience that and my nephew and his wife
and his son that's 12 were there also.
And we don't know if stuart's kids were put through the same.
We don't know.
Have you talked to him since the arrest?
No.
You told heather that you and stuart didn't work together.
What is he? You know what I mean?
-Is he your business partner? -Well...No, he's--
-is he your assistant? Is he-- -he's not my business partner.
I mean, we're not partners in any business.
We didn't work together in the businesses that, you know,
were being discussed.
We...Meaning on a daily basis.
I mean, stuart was not around me every day,
which is why I had a lot of other assistants.
-Right. -Because he was doing
his own stuff. He would base his--
you refer to him as more than a business partner.
He's very loyal.
This account is going good.
The infomercial lead is doing really, really well.
It's just doing more than we thought.
See what a good boss I am?
-[mouth full] feed me? -I feed you while you work.
While you make me money, I feed you.
It's good. It's a good day.
Then you said he's not your business partner.
No, meaning, like, he's been around me
for 10 years, and I'm gonna take care of people
that are around me, so as I expanded my businesses,
I brought him into that, you know?
Um, and he always knew that
I would always make sure he was taken care of.
If I could be successful in something,
I was gonna bring along everybody that I felt
had helped me get there.
He has changed his plea. He pled guilty,
uh, which people regard as being very bad for your case.
What was your reaction to that?
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coming up...
You called my husband a sugar daddy.
That's disrespectful to sharrieff.
-That's just a funny joke. -No, no, no, no.
You're finding the one specific detail, but--
can I talk?
Please.
Stuart's changed his plea. He pled guilty,
which people regard as being very bad for your case.
What was your reaction to that?
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I mean, I wish I could respond to that or answer it,
but I can't because it has to do with--
obviously with the legal case. But, um...
Yeah, I can't-- I can't comment on it.
-You know stuart. -Yes.
Have you spoken to him since the arrest?
I have not. I have not.
Has anyone here spoken to stuart?
I reached out right after the arrest,
but I didn't hear back.
I-I tried to call him, too, but--
I'm sure you did, just like you tried to call...
But when he pled guilty, I thought, you know...
-...My former person. -...He's pleading,
and jen's gonna be--like, there's a chance that he's just
gonna take it, own it, and this will be jen's vindication.
I mean, this was someone who you described as being
so close to you. It had to...
Yeah, absolutely.
I think I've told you this, but I wanna tell you again that,
you know, I appreciate you sticking with me
through the bad times, the good times,
and I hope you realize, too, like, the sacrifices I made.
They're to take care of you and your family.
I've seen that, and I know that you'll always be there,
and I'll always be here for you.
To have someone close to you
and then told one day out of the blue,
"you can't talk to him anymore," that's...Hard.
How did it feel watching the women discuss
how you paid for things like lavish parties
and the shah squad?
I have had a lot of questions around jen's lifestyle.
Like, it intrigues me where
she gets all of her money and all of her things from.
Like, throwing down an $80,000 birthday party for meredith.
I knew some people were full of sh-- a year ago.
Like, lisa, you brought up to me--
she came to me. She's like, "I just want you to know
people are questioning where you get your money from,"
and I'm like, why? Because I'm brown and sharrieff's black?
-This is what I said. This is-- -and you guys don't know?
And so you gotta-- you gotta put down, like,
successful people of color?
I didn't--I didn't say I questioned you.
Don't direct that at me. What I said--
you--but you're the-- the only time I ever heard it,
you brought it to me. -The only thing I ever said,
and, yeah, we all talked about it.
-Who? -Like, I heard, like...
You guys all said it.
I never had a conversation with you about it.
I've never had a conversation about jen's livelihood.
You guys have said it. You guys have said it.
I don't comment on other people's money.
I've talked about not understanding your business,
but I've never counted your money.
So what was your motive in telling jen
that people were questioning where she got her money?
Well, she was wondering why everyone was always against her,
and I go, "I think that they think things don't add up."
there was no motive. It was just a direct conversation.
But why does nothing add up? Like, what did I do
that it doesn't add up? Because I have nice things?
Ask everybody else. Don't ask me, 'cause I didn't say it.
You told me, though.
I told you that other people said it. Ask them.
-Yeah. -Ask them.
Okay, well, whitney, whitney, why?
No, and I-I have to say this.
I've never questioned your success. You are smart,
and I know people that you used to work with,
and they speak very highly of you,
and they're very intelligent.
And they make a lot of money, too, you know?
Yeah. I feel bad that you feel like we were questioning,
like, your success.
That's not what I questioned. I just have never had a friend
at your level that has spent money that way.
-Like, that's new for me. -You said--you said
in your audition that you spend, like, $50,000 a month...
-Yeah. -...On things.
My husband travels a lot.
There are, like, 20 pieces of luggage
when we travel, and, like,
maybe 17 are mine.
I'm telling you, boy, she's two types of crazy now.
I probably spend at least 50 grand a month.
My wife's shopping habits can be in and of themselves
a daily source of my drama.
So that seems like a lot to people.
Well, whitney, you were also speculating
about jen's business practices in the van,
and a lot of viewers wondered how you knew so much
about fraud and money laundering.
That's a good question.
Um, one, I was just reading the indictment,
and two, like I said, I do know someone that
she used to work with, and it was explained to me.
You were able to explain what legal lead generation is.
She buys people's information. She sells that information.
That's like the simplistic way of...Yeah.
Yeah, but it's just lead nurturing is what it is.
She gives companies leads.
The entire way that people do online marketing
is through legal lead generation,
and that's when you opt in on a website or opt out
of, like, your data being used.
So how is that different from what jen is being accused of?
I don't know, but I do know that
there's a big gray area.
Like, people can be practicing something and be unaware
that it's breaking a rule.
Jen, what did you think of whitney's assessment
of your business?
-It's not accurate. -Was it--
but what she said about lead generation was accurate.
I know, but I don't do lead generation.
-Okay, so that's-- -I do data monetization.
Oh, okay.
How do you define data monetization?
Monetization is generating money from data--
a name and a phone number.
So the accusation is that you're selling information
about people who are elderly or somehow impaired
who are then being roped into paying for things.
That's the accusation?
I-I can't comment on it.
Courtney dione thinks you are a flip-flopper, whitney.
"one minute you're persecuting and investigating jen,
and the next you're offering your support." did you feel like
she was a flip-flopper once you watched it?
When I watched it, I was surprised to see--
obviously, I didn't know.
When we were going through it at the moment,
I felt like you were supportive.
Yeah, it took me a moment to figure out
how I was gonna show up for you,
because when you hear all of this information about a friend,
I don't care who you are, it rocks your own moral code.
Like, how am I gonna show up as a friend?
But it shouldn't if you're a real friend.
If you--then I must not be your friend.
But, jen, I made the--I made the choice to show up for you.
-Okay. -And questioning it
and showing up-- -well, the things you said
afterward hurt not only me.
It hurt my husband, and it hurt my boys.
-I feel-- -what, though?
-On "watch what happens live"-- -what did I say or do?
It wasn't positive. Like, you were like, "I don't know."
I don't know, jen.
As more information came out, it--I was pretty certain
one of them had to have been involved.
I worry for jen and her family.
I don't think that this is good for jen.
-But she wasn't horrible. -I'm taking your word for it.
Like, I--you say you're innocent,
and I'm supporting you in it. -But if you believe me--
it wasn't cruel and horrible and say a lot of horrible,
cruel, ridiculously bad things, and no one did.
Jen, that same--that same week, you hashtagged #marywasright.
Because you called my husband a sugar daddy,
and you put me and the work I've done down,
and my husband. That's disrespectful for sharrieff.
That's ----ing racist.
I thought she said, "maybe she has a sugar daddy."
whitney, john d. Wants to know if you ever questioned
or suspect jen's business practices.
So...I've never questioned if what she's doing
was legal or not. -Okay.
I questioned the lifestyle, the amount of money.
I always thought she had a sugar daddy...
-Okay. -...To be honest with you.
-I never--no. -It was not coach shah.
No, I-I honestly thought someone was just giving her money.
-I made the situation lighter. -I mean, after everything
that's gone on, you're upset about her saying
maybe she has a sugar daddy? -No, because she--
-that's just a funny joke. -You said you--
no, no, no.
You've made jokes like that, too, jen.
I'm doing it now because I'm trying to make a joke
out of what you said.
You think she hasn't shown up for you?
But you told us you had a sugar daddy.
You're--you're finding the one specific detail,
but overall, has she not-- -no, this is what I'm talk-
can I talk, please?
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coming up...
You know what the docket is, and I've explained this to you.
-So don't go hard on me right-- -bitch, don't talk to me
about a ----ing docket. I know what it is.
Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch. So then youhould understand
and you shouldn't be going this hard.
What are you even talking about, docket?
Don't call me bitch. Don't call me bitch.
-Bitch. -Ah!
Do you feel like she hasn't shown up for you?
You're finding the one specific detail,
but overall, has she not-- -no, this is what I'm talk--
can I talk?
Please.
-Yes. -What it feels like on my end
is, like, "hey, jen, we can treat you like sh--
'cause you should be happy that you even have a friend
that shows up 60%.
So if we sh-- on you, it's okay 'cause you need
all the friends you can get right now."
[voice breaking] that's the message I get.
That's not fair, and that's what I'm talking about.
Well, you sh-- on me, and I still showed up for you.
-And we went through it. -So that's the truth of it.
But why does it keep coming up?!
It hasn't. I didn't bring it up.
-Every day. Today. -Ask andy why
it's still coming up. -No, today you said, too.
You're like, "jen's always sh--ty."
I know. You guys remind me constantly.
I didn't say, "jen's always sh--ty."
-heather-- -I've never made that joke.
No, just earlier, and I go, "heather, can we, like,
not say that anymore?"
I'm blindly showing up for this one,
who's been horrible to me, and I'm just, like--
you don't have to keep saying that.
Well, you know what? It's true,
and so jen's been horrible to me, and I show up.
It hurts me every time you say that, 'cause I'm sorry.
-I'm sorry. -Can I ask you a question?
-Jen... -[scoffs]
they're--they're in a sprinter van
that is swarmed by homeland security and the fbi.
Wouldn't it be natural for them to question this...
-Absolutely. -...And look into it
and speculate about it?
It is, yep. It's absolutely normal...
-It's human nature. -...To think--absolutely.
But to sit there and then go beyond it,
and when I'm at my lowest bring up other sh--
that's not ----ing true? No! That's not normal.
Okay, well, let's talk about that.
Well, first of all, lisa, after the arrest,
it seemed like you were immediately
trying to distance yourself... -No, I was not.
-...From jen. -No, I was not.
-Yes, you were. -No, I'm gonna speak for myself.
-You don't get to speak for me. -I'll speak for you,
'cause you speak for everyone else!
No, no, no, I do not speak for everyone else.
-Yes, you do! -Okay, I'm gonna answer
the question, and I-- -no! Be quiet!
-No, I'm not gonna be quiet. -I'll speak for you. You did.
-No, I did not. I called-- -yes, you did!
-Don't-- -you called all your lawyers.
Can you tell me what's going on?
Would homeland security show up for that?
I mean, like, I-I'm, like, literally shook.
Is something bigger happening? Should I be stressed?
I'm physically shaking.
I called six lawyers because there was no information.
I called them and asked them,
"is there anything on the docket?"
like, the docket? Like, some legal legi--
that is a smart-- it's something I--
what was your reaction to her calling the lawyers?
No, no, any claim against you is on the docket.
I don't know what the docket is, but...
-Google it before you judge. -You google it.
You know what it-- you know what the docket is,
and I've explained this to you,
so don't go hard on me when I'm--
bitch, don't talk to me about a ----ing docket.
I know what it is. Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.
Then don't-- then you should understand,
and you shouldn't be going this hard.
What are you even talking about, docket?
Don't call me bitch. Don't call me bitch.
-Bitch. -Does that make you feel good?
-Jen. -Does that make you feel good?
It does, because you're a bitch to everyone else up here.
-Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. -Jen--
-just pile on. -I can yell just as loud as you.
I can poke just as far as you. I could do this
just as much as you. We can do this all day long.
Okay, okay, I see what you're doing here.
-I see what you're doing here. -Oh, what am I doing?
I see what you're doing here. Turning the narrative.
Oh, my gosh!
The women all got together in vail at dinner,
and a lot was said at the table.
Meredith, in vail, you decided jen was guilty
without hesitation. Why was that?
No, I did not. I said innocent until proven guilty
a hundred times.
Yeah, but me watching it, meredith,
I remember you saying that, but then you were like,
"you see? I tried to tell you guys.
You don't know her."
and then you're over here, coddling lisa, which,
you know what? I do say I get why meredith was probably pissed
because you were like, "I don't know jen."
you literally wrote me off.
What was your reaction to hearing
that she didn't wanna be in a room with you?
It was hurtful because I'm like, wow, she doesn't believe me.
I wanna talk about the uber story.
Lisa, were you insinuating that jen was having an affair?
Jen was calling me that night at, like, 1:30 in the morning.
She was really upset with me. It was after my kids' event.
I wasn't insinuating that she was having an affair.
I just was like, she's out and about and, like, mad at me.
Why did you get out of heather's uber?
Because [bleep] was picking me up.
And out of respect for heather,
he can't come to heather's house.
No, 'cause he stole from me.
He's not welcome anywhere in my vicinity.
Why couldn't the uber just bring you home?
-It's a 45-minute drive and-- -so you just got out.
-I don't wanna drive 45 minutes. -She also had told me
continually that she had no relationship with him.
This was after that.
There was a whole uber driver story.
Yeah, there was a podcast where they interviewed the uber driver
who picked you up, allegedly... -An uber driver?
...And brought you to some condo.
Yeah, that's--that's a lie.
-[scoffs] -as far as you know,
are you red-flagged at louis vuitton?
-No, I'm not. -Where did you get that?
From somebody who works at louis vuitton.
Meredith, danielle from new york wants to know
what jen has done specifically to terrorize your family
the last two years?
Well, for starters, I'd been told by multiple parties,
some of which are in this room,
that you were looking to destroy me.
Just say the names, meredith. Say the names,
because otherwise I feel like it's me,
and it pisses me off.
And then I start hearing other things that led me to believe
that there was collusion involved, things like that,
and I just--I was like, okay, this is enough. I'm done.
And that was it.
I have never looked to destroy you or anybody else.
I've never dug up information.
I've never hired an private investigator.
I've never done any of that stuff.
I wanna talk about the private investigator.
Why did you hire one? You felt like you were getting--
well, he was actually a cyber specialist.
-Okay. -And heather had called me.
She had gotten these very bizarre, you know,
threatening kinds of texts. -Horrible rhyming--
rhyming messages of death. -They were really strange.
And then my sons actually both got them.
-And what were they? -You know, they were just
very nasty, menacing-- "I'm coming for you."
I mean, they're lo--wo--long-- one was very long.
-The other was not. -I remember mine.
-I memorized mine. -What was yours?
"roses are red. Violets are blue.
Season one is over. We all played you." [laughs]
-wow. -I mean, it was very--
and what did the private investigator find?
He believed it could be jen, but he didn't say conclusively.
And so that's why I dropped it.
And why would he think it's me?
There are a very limited number of people
who would have both contacts.
'cause that was the connection.
They had to have both of our numbers and emails,
which made it a lot smaller pool.
So basically it's this room plus mary and plus production.
Those are the only people in this world
that would have both of those contacts.
And so he went through them, and you know, that was just--
but he didn't give me an conclusive answer.
That was just his opinion, and that's why I just, again,
put it away, so I don't-- I don't like to operate
off of things that aren't fact. I don't.
So how about this? Since we wanna bring up
all the horrible, racist ----ing text messages
and emails... Can somebody get coach, please?
Because apparently my word on its own
isn't enough for everybody.
So we'll get coach out here, so all of the texts--
-I never said it was you. -Lisa, I'm talking right now.
-Okay. -So all the text messages
that I've gotten that said, "tell your ----ing sons
that we're gonna skin them and burn them"--should I,
by your deduction and logic, should I say that's from you?
This is--do you see how insane this is?
But I didn't say it was from you, jen. I did not.
[voice breaking] nobody on this stage would ever say that
about your sons, ever.
But why would you guys think I'm threatening you guys?!
-But none of us do. -That's why I dropped it, jen.
-This doesn't make any sense! -That's why I dropped it
until I read about encrypted messaging
in the indictment, and that's what triggered that.
Why? There was something about encrypted messaging
in the indictment? -In the indictment, yes.
And that was what triggered that,
and that's why I started talking.
And that's why it triggered the conversation that night.
-Correct. -Let me ask you this.
Do any of you think she's guilty of fraud and money laundering?
I love jen. I don't care if she's guilty or not.
I don't care.
Jen told me she's innocent, and I believe her.
And I believe her, too, and I want the best for her
and her family, and I will be in court every day,
and I will fight for her to-- she's in the fight of her life.
Meredith, do you think she's innocent?
I have no idea. I hope so. It's...
You know, I'm not the judge and jury.
Yeah, we got your back. We love you. We love you.
Just the--the success rate of the new york state attorney
is, like, 95%. Does that-- -because people take plea deals.
I'm fighting this. I am innocent.
She's fighting this. She's fighting it.
[voice breaking] and I will fight for every person out there
that can't fight for themselves
because they don't have the resources or the means,
so they--they don't fight.
I will fight because number one, I'm innocent,
and number two-- I'm gonna ----ing represent
every other person out there that can't fight
and hasn't been able to. [sniffles]
why do you think they targeted you?
'cause meredith called the feds.
-Just kidding. -[laughter]
all right, we're gonna be right back after this.
♪♪♪
I love you.
♪♪♪
[coughs]
[sniffles] okay.
♪♪♪
do we need a touch-up?
Where's our makeup bag?
All right.
And be quiet, please.
Four...Three...Two...
Welcome back to "the real housewives of salt lake city"
season two reunion.
Well, I wanna close this topic.
Jen, the trial is set for March 22nd.
-Mm-hmm. -It's a jury trial?
Yes.
I keep saying the max sentence is 30 years,
but there's one charge that's 30 years
and one charge that's 20 years? Is that right?
I-I-I honest--I honestly-- I don't know. I don't know.
You don't know what the charge is?
-What does your attorney say? -Yeah, what--what--yeah.
-I mean... -Like, they don't meet with me
and say, "hey, listen, guess what." [laughs]
-right. -So I...Yeah.
You know, you've been watching the season.
You've been...Pretty quiet on social media. You've been--
-are you proud of me? -I am.
-We prefer that. -I'm really impressed.
I think it's great. Is there anything else
that you didn't get to say today that you feel is important
for you to say?
What I wanna say is thank you for those of you
that have been there because you never know
your one nice word that day
could be the difference for somebody.
And also, I just hope we can do better in the future
and--and not judge people, and myself included.
You're gonna be on the couch
at the end of season three with me?
-Of course. -[laughs]
-I ain't going nowhere. -All right.
Okay.
All right. We are wrapping things up.
Before we leave, I would love to hear something
that you're gonna take away from this season--
something that you learned or, you know,
that you leave tonight thinking.
Who wants to start?
-I can start. -Okay.
My biggest takeaway...
Is that we're all human.
We've all done things we regret and we can move on,
and we can make it up to people,
and no one is beyond redemption in this group,
and we uniquely love each other, and, jen,
for you showing up today, I commend you, I admire you,
and you know that I love you. -Thank you.
-All right. -[sniffles]
well, we're all gonna be rooting for you.
-Thank you. -Yes.
Jennie?
So, you know, walking into this season as a newbie,
what I took from this is I will speak my mind more.
I will not just sit back and observe,
because I should just be out there,
and I feel like I should be out there more.
-Absolutely. -We love you.
Whitney "wild" rose?
There's so many things I learned this season, but the biggest
is to believe in myself
and the growth that I've gone through,
I can do anything.
I also have learned that it's very important to take a stand
and have an opinion and stand up.
Even if it's not the popular one, it's important.
Meredith?
I have learned that it's really important not to let things
fester and build and to communicate,
because a lot of times I will internalize things.
I mean, obviously, some of the stuff
I internalized last season, I didn't have a choice on
because it wasn't my story to tell,
but to not approach and not communicate
just snowballs into a mess.
Lisa?
Um, I've learned a lot of things,
especially in the last five days.
Um...
[voice breaking] I have a very hard time being vulnerable.
I just wasn't raised that way,
and I think that because I'm not,
people don't see me for who I am and what my heart really is.
[sniffles]
jen shah?
You're stronger than you think you are,
and if you can get through the impact of the initial news
or that whatever you're going through,
if you can get through the impact of that,
you're gonna be okay, and as devastating
as this experience has been for me,
the legal situation,
um, I know that...
[voice breaking] my husband loves me, like,
more than anything.
And then my kids do, too, and how much I love them,
and so, you know, those are the takeaways that I've learned,
you know, from this past year.
Well, thanks to all of you for a truly mind-blowing season.
Since we are paying homage to jen and heather's
ice castle moment... -[laughter]
-oh, my gosh. -...What better way to wrap up
the season than with some fire-roasted friendship churros?
Oh, my gosh!
We have churros.
I don't think you're supposed to throw that in there.
Now, ladies, if you burn your tongue,
I am not liable. Thank you. Okay?
-Oh, wow, these are-- -thank you. [laughs]
-these are big. -I will continue to, like...
So, heather, say something to take us out.
Say something poetic.
I would like to say "housewives of salt lake city,"
we are phenomenal, beautiful, fashionable,
real, fake,
and ----ed up. -[laughter]
-and that's why we're here. -Amen.
-Cheers! -To salt lake city.
-Cheers. -Cheers.
Cheers. [mouth full] oh, these are good.
-These are good. -They're so good.
These are really good. Oh, my god.
It's not gluten-free.
We can eat it.