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<i>ANDY: Part two of</i>

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<i>"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.</i>

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Who here has received
mean texts from Mary?

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- Everyone except Jennie.
- Yeah, I didn't get the texts.

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She probably blocked
your number.

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She just said it to you
in person.

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Cameron was on a path
for spiritual healing.

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You believe they were
having an affair?

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Yeah.

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He mortgaged his house
to give her money.

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Lisa, you flat-out told me
off-camera

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that he did not donate $300,000,
and Mary told me the same thing.

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You were so hurt
about Meredith's relationship

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with Mary that you called her

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a ----ing piece of sh--
Garbage whore...

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No, no, no, no, no.

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that she ----ed half
of New York.

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- I did not. I did not!
- [crying] You hurt me,

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and you let me down.
[sniffles]

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There was some kind of a rumor
that Meredith and Jen

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were seeing the same... guy.

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♪♪♪

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Part two of "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion

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starts now.

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So Jack and Henry did

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the guest list for your event,
right?

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- Yes, they did.
- I wanna know why they

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would invite Whitney
but not invite Jen?

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They didn't invite Whitney.
I did.

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Why not invite Jen?

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At the photo shoot,
Jen and I got really hot.

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- Yeah.
- And when we left,

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Jen called me, and we got
into it all over again,

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and Henry heard it,
and he was crying...

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[voice breaking]
because I was very upset.

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I love Jen Shah,

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as controversial as that is,
I do, and I was very upset.

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You don't have to add
"As controversial as that is

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to love Jen Shah."

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It is controversial.
Get out of it.

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Oh, it is? It's controversial
for me to love you, too.

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- Okay, I know that's--
- Leave that sh-- out.

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Either love me or don't love me,
but I'm tired

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of all the disclaimers
when it comes to Jen Shah.

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It's bullsh--.

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Jen, I've been a great friend
to you, and I... okay.

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I mean, Heather doesn't say,
"I love you, Jen, however..."

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- The fine print.
- This is really--

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I'll get a lot of heat.
They're actually canceling me.

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Like, how do you think
that makes me feel?

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I didn't mean it that way,
and I'm very sorry

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if that's how it landed.
I'm very sorry.

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Why did you lie to her about
your kids doing the guest list

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for the event?
- I didn't lie to her.

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Jack put together
the guest list.

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It was his event.

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I added Whitney on, and, like,

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and I had mixed feelings
about it.

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John thought it was
a great idea.

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John was like,
"Just keep trying."

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Andy, I have one more question.
It's important.

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- Okay.
- Lisa, at Mary's luncheon,

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when we sat down to discuss this
and Jen was very upset,

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and I said, "Not everyone
gets invited to everything,"

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did I have your back
and support you at that lunch?

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- Yes, she did.
- Thank you.

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She is slowly making her case
over there, Meredith Marks.

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I am a lawyer.

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Jennie, um, there were a lot
of times where you fell silent

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when Whitney and Heather
accused Lisa

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of being a master manipulator.
Why didn't you stand up for her?

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Well, I don't know
their relationship

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from the first... year,
what's going on,

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but what I've heard was--
- You knew her and Meredith.

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- Huh?
- Right, you knew--

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You knew everything about me.
- No, I don't know.

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Enough to make
a character assassination

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after meeting me at a party.

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From watching the show.
I did not ever talk to her--

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But she didn't ask me about you.

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- I didn't accuse that.
- I did not.

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I am explaining what
Andy's asking me.

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The question is why didn't you
defend her? She's your friend.

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- That was the question.
- I do defend her.

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- I do defend her.
- The question is when they were

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accusing her of stirring the pot
and everything...

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I-I did not say
she stirred the pot.

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- No, they--
- They stirred the pot.

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They--When they accused her
of being a master manipulator,

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why didn't you stand up for her?

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She says she's direct,
but Lisa likes to make sure

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the water is always stirred up
and muddy,

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but she does not wanna get
her hands dirty.

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Lisa has all the information,

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but she's unwilling to share it
with me.

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- I do stand up for her.
- You do. Okay, fine.

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- I do stand up for her.
- All right, fine.

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- Yeah.
- Jennifer from Santa Barbara

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says, Lisa,
you gave her whiplash

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going downstairs
and telling Mary

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what everyone was saying
about her.

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Right.

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But then conveniently pitting it
on Whitney.

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Why didn't you own
your part in it?

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Oh, I didn't. I went downstairs
and the first thing--

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- No, you harped on what I said.
- Excuse me.

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You only saw part of it. So when
I first went to her room,

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she was in the doorway
talking about her,

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and the very first thing
I asked her is,

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"I've seen the text messages
and a lot of stuff online

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about you and Robert.
Can we talk about that?"

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And she goes, "Why? We're good."

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And then that's where
the conversation started.

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I asked her a lot of questions.

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I asked her if she smoked pot,
'cause in your church,

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you're not supposed to drink
or do any kind of drug.

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I asked her, like,
lots of questions.

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- Do you smoke weed?
- [laughter]

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Seems like you have a lot

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of important conversations
off-camera.

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- Two. Two.
- Two.

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Two. One with Mary
and one with Meredith.

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So I wanna talk
about your dad's memorial

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and all of the speculation
around that.

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When you spoke to Meredith
on that Tuesday...

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- Mm-hmm.
- you said, "I'm sorry

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to interrupt you. I know
you're in the middle of it,"

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and you said, "Thank you"
or something like that.

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- You didn't disagree with her.
- She didn't say--

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She said, "I know you're
with your family."

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I feel awful calling you.

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Jen's husband, um,
is in the hospital.

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Meredith, I hate
interrupting you right now.

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Go be with your family
right now. I love you.

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I'll see you in a little bit.

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<i>I love you. I love you.
All right, bye.</i>

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All right, I love you.
All right, bye.

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Meredith's
at her father's memorial.

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I hate even bothering her.

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Why would I answer the phone
at my father's memorial?

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- Uh, I-I don't know.
- Okay, so what happened is

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when I called Meredith to tell
her the news about Sharrieff,

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she said, "Hold on a second.

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I just stepped out
of my dad's memorial."

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- I did not say that.
- And then I put you on speaker.

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- I 100% did not say that.
- You did. You did. 100% you did.

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Because you weren't there.
It was the day before.

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We finished--We finished
the conversation.

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- Correct.
- And I got off.

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I was physically in Vail.
My father is buried in Aspen.

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Whitney and Jennie
both heard me.

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- You both heard me say...
- Right.

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- "Oh, my God, I feel horrible."
- Yeah, you did say that.

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"I just interrupted
her dad's memorial."

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Because you told me that,
and I'm not lying about that.

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- No, I did not.
- Okay, so, I mean,

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it was a major misunderstanding,
obviously,

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that led to some horrible,
brutal interactions.

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Did you speculate
on my father's death?!

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- I did not speculate.
- Don't lie!

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You're the ----ing liar!

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Yes, I feel like I could have
very been easily asked

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before all the speculation
went on, and--

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- If it wasn't--
- And then when I was asked...

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- I hate this.
- I was attacked repeatedly

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over and over after I answered
the first time.

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I said, "Yes, I was
at my father's memorial."

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I understand why
you were so pissed,

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but I'm saying that it seemed
as a viewer that

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if you had said, "It was Monday.
What are you talking about?"

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Then it would have been...

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Lisa had clearly said to us,
"You guys,

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we just interrupted her
in the middle

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of her dad's memorial."

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I did,
because you said it to me.

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And we looked at each other,
and we're like, "What?"

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Because I was shocked
that you would even answer,

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and you were whispering.
- Zero chance.

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I was actually in the bathtub,
not at the house in Vail--

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In the hotel in Vail...
- Okay, wait.

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- when you called me.
- Okay.

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- Okay, wait.
- So that is not true.

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I was not in the memorial.
I was in the bathtub...

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- Okay, I am going to be...
- for the second time.

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- I am going to--
- Okay. All right.

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- It's enough.
- Okay, enough.

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So we are breaking for lunch,
apparently.

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- Already?
- I know. So when we come back,

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I wanna jump ahead

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to the elephant in the room--
Mary.

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So, ladies, we'll walk--
We'll walk back to our trailers.

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- Where are we going?
- But do you know I love you?

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- I don't know what to know.
- Oh, well, no, I just--

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And that's, like, you know,
I don't wanna hear the excuses.

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- Okay, we're done.
- Please, just stop. Thank you.

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Yeah, we're done.

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Where's my husband?

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♪♪♪

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<i>Coming up...</i>

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Did Cameron really give Mary
$300,000?

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He mortgaged his house
to give her money.

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Lisa, you flat-out told me
off-camera

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that he did not donate $300,000,

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and Mary told me the same thing.

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♪♪♪

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It's like "The Twilight Zone"
out there.

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I feel like Lisa's literally,
like,

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"Oh, I had a small outburst
where I violated

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my friend's character
and said horrible, ugly things

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that I can't recover from,
but we're just gonna move on

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and act like that
never happened."

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Yeah.

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Anywho...

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I feel bad for Meredith.

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<i>Hey. Oh, my God. So your--
Your mascara is not running.</i>

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<i>You don't look like
you were crying too hard.</i>

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<i>- How'd it go?</i>
- I actually was.

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- I already cried.
- [bleep]

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We were on the topic of me
having to do my apology tour...

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- Right.
- you know, to everybody

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at the beginning of the season,
and, um,

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Meredith got emotional

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and apologized for the way
she treated me and said

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there was a lot of other things
going on in her life.

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She talked about her dad
a little bit, and...

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- Oh.
- you know, that...

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- I know her dad passed away.
- I can identify with.

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That's exactly what I was doing,

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you know, a year and a half ago,
a year ago.

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Yeah.

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♪♪♪

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- Can you hear Lisa?
- So, baby gorgeous,

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how do you
think it's going today?

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I think it's going good.
I can't wait to get into more.

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This afternoon's gonna be rough.

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This afternoon
is gonna be rough.

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All right.

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Gloves are making
a second appearance.

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- Cher is back.
- Cher is back.

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Let's get into position.

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Quiet on the set, please!

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♪♪♪

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5... 4... 3...

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2...

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Welcome back to

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"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

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I'm Andy Cohen.

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Okay, guys, I wanna talk
about Mary.

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By a show of hands,
who here has received

251
00:09:56,898 --> 00:09:59,964
mean texts from Mary?

252
00:09:59,966 --> 00:10:01,567
"I'm thankful I'm older
than you.

253
00:10:01,569 --> 00:10:03,768
I also know
I look younger than you.

254
00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:05,838
I don't need all
the fake injections in my face

255
00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,173
to make my face
look like whatever,

256
00:10:08,175 --> 00:10:10,709
and I don't need tummy tucks
and face-lifts

257
00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:11,976
and eyebrow lifts
and breast implants.

258
00:10:11,978 --> 00:10:15,113
Everything is fake. I've never
had plastic surgery, never.

259
00:10:15,115 --> 00:10:17,249
I don't need it like you do."

260
00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:20,786
- Everyone except you.
- Yeah, I didn't get the texts.

261
00:10:20,788 --> 00:10:22,254
Right, she probably blocked
your number.

262
00:10:22,256 --> 00:10:23,788
Probably.

263
00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:24,790
She just said it to you
in person. [laughs]

264
00:10:24,792 --> 00:10:26,457
- I'm on the blacklist.
- Wow, you, too, Meredith?

265
00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,193
What did the text to<i> you</i> say?

266
00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:29,527
Right after Jennie
through the glass at her...

267
00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:30,863
Yeah.

268
00:10:30,865 --> 00:10:31,997
Run away, Mary!
Run the [bleep] away

269
00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:33,497
because you don't have
nothing...

270
00:10:33,499 --> 00:10:35,800
[gasps]

271
00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:38,203
She was upset
that I didn't check in on her.

272
00:10:38,205 --> 00:10:41,339
Got it. Kelly from Tennessee
said, "Jennie, you seem to be

273
00:10:41,341 --> 00:10:43,675
the only one who's not afraid
of Mary.

274
00:10:43,677 --> 00:10:46,745
Why are you not intimidated
by Mary like the others are?"

275
00:10:46,747 --> 00:10:48,946
I'm not intimidated by anybody.

276
00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:51,683
I have really high
confrontational tolerance,

277
00:10:51,685 --> 00:10:53,017
and if you don't like that,

278
00:10:53,019 --> 00:10:55,153
then that's your problem,
not mine.

279
00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:56,487
I don't feel afraid of Mary.
I just wanna make that clear.

280
00:10:56,489 --> 00:10:57,689
- That's why I went in her room.
- I-I think that might be why

281
00:10:57,691 --> 00:11:00,458
Mary's not here, Jennie.
I mean, not in a negative way,

282
00:11:00,460 --> 00:11:04,763
but, like, we--we've learned
to navigate and not--

283
00:11:04,765 --> 00:11:09,100
Not ever say no, but that's easy
for me because that's kind of--

284
00:11:09,102 --> 00:11:11,703
- I feel like I have.
- Well, you have.

285
00:11:11,705 --> 00:11:13,037
Yeah.

286
00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:14,873
But, like, nobody go--
Went in like Jennie.

287
00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:16,040
Alli from California
wants to know

288
00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:18,978
why no one stood up for Heather
when Mary body-shamed her

289
00:11:18,980 --> 00:11:20,912
and said she drinks too much.

290
00:11:20,914 --> 00:11:23,715
That's horrible, and Heather--
She's doing all of her yelling,

291
00:11:23,717 --> 00:11:27,251
oh, with her little chubby self.

292
00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:28,287
- Were you guys all in the room?
- Well, I-I ran after you.

293
00:11:28,289 --> 00:11:31,055
It was so--it was already
so chaotic.

294
00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:33,591
It's like, do you really wanna
pour gas on that fire?

295
00:11:33,593 --> 00:11:35,393
I didn't get on the private jet
for Heather.

296
00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:36,527
Well, I don't think anyone
could handle any more.

297
00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:38,330
Yeah, she didn't get
on the private plane. That's--

298
00:11:38,332 --> 00:11:39,932
You can't stand up bigger than
saying, "I'm not flying private.

299
00:11:39,934 --> 00:11:40,865
I'm gonna pay $1,000 to drive
to Denver and..."

300
00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:43,669
- Yeah, right.
- "...fly home with you."

301
00:11:43,671 --> 00:11:45,203
Esther from Washington said,

302
00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:47,739
"There was a lot of talk
this season about whether

303
00:11:47,741 --> 00:11:49,207
Mary's church is a cult.

304
00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:52,543
Meredith, Whitney, and Jen,
you attended Mary's church.

305
00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:55,613
Do you believe it to be a cult?"

306
00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:57,149
Meredith.

307
00:11:57,151 --> 00:11:58,549
I didn't see anything
at the church

308
00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:00,218
that would lead me to believe
it was a cult.

309
00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,954
- Whitney.
- When I attended, no.

310
00:12:02,956 --> 00:12:04,223
- I question now.
- Jen.

311
00:12:04,225 --> 00:12:07,892
I think every church is a cult
to some extent.

312
00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:10,028
- Mm-hmm.
- What made you feel

313
00:12:10,030 --> 00:12:11,362
that the church
was worshiping Mary,

314
00:12:11,364 --> 00:12:12,430
which is what you said
after you saw it?

315
00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:14,500
- Well, when I--
- I mean, they were fanning her.

316
00:12:14,502 --> 00:12:17,036
- I saw that.
- Yeah, they were fanning her,

317
00:12:17,038 --> 00:12:19,904
and it was a Mother's Day
tribute only to Mary.

318
00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:23,107
You are a master of positivity.

319
00:12:23,109 --> 00:12:25,109
You are a perfect teacher.

320
00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:29,046
[voice breaking]
You are a perfect dresser.

321
00:12:29,048 --> 00:12:32,116
- You are the facsimile of God.
- Oh! [laughs]

322
00:12:32,118 --> 00:12:34,585
They were, like,
losing their minds over Mary.

323
00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,321
Like, they're there for her.

324
00:12:36,323 --> 00:12:39,458
Whitney, you believe Mary
thinks she's God.

325
00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:42,193
I don't think that
she thinks she's God,

326
00:12:42,195 --> 00:12:44,129
'cause if--if we all could
claim that we're God,

327
00:12:44,131 --> 00:12:46,864
then what are we doing here,
right?

328
00:12:46,866 --> 00:12:50,635
Like, but she uses that--
The fear of God

329
00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:53,072
to get what she wants.

330
00:12:53,074 --> 00:12:54,805
- Andy, I have a question.
- That's how religion works.

331
00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:57,275
Why is Mary's church so
interesting to everybody here

332
00:12:57,277 --> 00:13:00,345
and we have to talk about it?
- 'Cause it's out there.

333
00:13:00,347 --> 00:13:02,413
Because Lisa invited Cameron
and made him...

334
00:13:02,415 --> 00:13:04,282
- No.
- the topic of conversation.

335
00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,683
Robert and Mary want money.

336
00:13:05,685 --> 00:13:07,351
They call church meetings
together,

337
00:13:07,353 --> 00:13:10,321
and they'll beat you down
until they get what they want.

338
00:13:10,323 --> 00:13:11,556
Is that why you mortgaged
your house?

339
00:13:11,558 --> 00:13:14,292
Yes, that is exactly why
I mortgaged my house.

340
00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:16,160
Cameron has nothing to do
with this conversation.

341
00:13:16,162 --> 00:13:18,363
We can remove him completely
out of it.

342
00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:21,032
Why are we acting like
we didn't know

343
00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:22,300
that Mary's church
was questionable?

344
00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:23,034
Well, it's been
an ongoing conversation.

345
00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:25,169
The Mormon Church
is questionable.

346
00:13:25,171 --> 00:13:25,904
- No. No, it's va--
- The Mormon Church does not have

347
00:13:25,906 --> 00:13:27,572
equal rights for LGBTQIA...
- Okay.

348
00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:28,907
- or women.
- Well, we've been talking about

349
00:13:28,909 --> 00:13:29,908
the Mormon Church
for two seasons, too.

350
00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:32,176
And they're a cult, possibly,
as well. Who knows?

351
00:13:32,178 --> 00:13:33,978
Lisa, there was a lot said
about Cameron.

352
00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:36,315
- Yes.
- May he rest in peace.

353
00:13:36,317 --> 00:13:37,783
But what was
your friendship like

354
00:13:37,785 --> 00:13:40,651
and how would you describe it?

355
00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:41,986
Cameron's amazing.

356
00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:43,120
[voice breaking]
Like, I'll get emotional.

357
00:13:43,122 --> 00:13:46,859
I miss him so much,
and I am so sad he's not here.

358
00:13:46,861 --> 00:13:48,927
- He died of a brain tumor.
- Mm.

359
00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:52,597
He had surgery,
and it was successful,

360
00:13:52,599 --> 00:13:54,131
and he's such a good person,

361
00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:56,601
and I'm devastated
he's not here.

362
00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:59,670
- How long did you know him?
- Over--Little over five years.

363
00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:03,140
Meredith, why do you think Lisa
introduced you to Cameron?

364
00:14:03,142 --> 00:14:06,210
Meredith and Mary
are extremely close.

365
00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:08,679
Like, they're very good friends.

366
00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:10,248
- Yeah.
- Oh.

367
00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:13,217
Um, well, I'd like to ask Lisa
a question before I answer that.

368
00:14:13,219 --> 00:14:15,887
Was Cameron on the board
of Foster Care Utah?

369
00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:18,156
Cameron was part
of Utah Foster Care's board.

370
00:14:18,158 --> 00:14:20,092
He was on their guest--
Guest list.

371
00:14:20,094 --> 00:14:21,759
We split the guest list.

372
00:14:21,761 --> 00:14:23,294
He's not a board d--
He's not a member of the board.

373
00:14:23,296 --> 00:14:25,030
- He's not on the board.
- He's a supporter.

374
00:14:25,032 --> 00:14:26,631
- He was in process.
- Don't call me a liar again.

375
00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,433
He was acting as a board member.

376
00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:29,767
- Okay.
- But it wasn't finally.

377
00:14:29,769 --> 00:14:30,903
Like, they had three more weeks.

378
00:14:30,905 --> 00:14:32,537
- He was there on their list.
- And he--he was on their list.

379
00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:33,504
He's not a board member.
He's not listed.

380
00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:35,640
- He was there because she--
- He--Meredith...

381
00:14:35,642 --> 00:14:36,642
You thought Meredith would take
the football and run with it.

382
00:14:36,644 --> 00:14:37,842
- No, I am so--No. That is a lie.
- She only believes--

383
00:14:37,844 --> 00:14:38,643
And then you thought,
"Meredith isn't totally loyal.

384
00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:41,245
Let's get Whit now."
- Stop. Stop.

385
00:14:41,247 --> 00:14:43,781
- She only believes Meredith.
- It is put on their in--

386
00:14:43,783 --> 00:14:46,050
- Meredith, was he on the board?
- As far as I know, no.

387
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:47,318
- No, I looked it up.
- Okay.

388
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,786
- Okay. I-I--
- So, Whitney, you felt...

389
00:14:48,788 --> 00:14:51,389
You guys are so sick.
I can't even believe this.

390
00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,524
You guys are sick. You're sick.

391
00:14:52,526 --> 00:14:54,459
So, Whitney, you felt that Lisa
invited you to the event

392
00:14:54,461 --> 00:14:57,395
so that you would meet Cameron,
and he would give you

393
00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:01,132
information about Mary's church,
which you would then...

394
00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:02,733
- Yes.
- spread to the group.

395
00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:04,735
Like I said, she's brilliant
at igniting the fire,

396
00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,737
and I always fall for it.

397
00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:08,072
I have another question, Lisa.

398
00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:11,542
Did Cameron really give Mary
$300,000?

399
00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,244
- Something.
- He mortgaged his house

400
00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:14,612
and gave her 300 grand.

401
00:15:14,614 --> 00:15:17,949
I think I got the numbers wrong,
but it was, um,

402
00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:18,951
he had an expensive house
when he passed.

403
00:15:18,953 --> 00:15:21,953
I think he--I--
They--They have footage of it.

404
00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:23,754
- I don't wanna say the number.
- Why would he even care, though?

405
00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:26,490
He--He did mortgage his house
to give her money.

406
00:15:26,492 --> 00:15:28,292
Lisa, you flat-out told me
off-camera

407
00:15:28,294 --> 00:15:31,362
that he did not donate $300,000.

408
00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:34,700
You told me it was about
10% of that is what you told me.

409
00:15:34,702 --> 00:15:37,835
And Mary told me the same thing.

410
00:15:37,837 --> 00:15:40,038
♪♪♪

411
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,240
<i>Coming up...</i>

412
00:15:41,242 --> 00:15:43,641
Cameron was very--he was young.

413
00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:45,176
He was ready to come out
about Mary.

414
00:15:45,178 --> 00:15:46,578
You believe they were having
an affair?

415
00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:48,112
Yeah.

416
00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:48,179
♪♪♪

417
00:15:48,380 --> 00:15:56,380
I have another question, Lisa.

418
00:15:57,724 --> 00:16:00,858
Did Cameron really give Mary
$300,000?

419
00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:03,594
I might have had it wrong.
I said he mortgaged his house,

420
00:16:03,596 --> 00:16:06,397
and I don't know if it was
a $300,000 house, and I--

421
00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,533
- Or a $300,000 mortgage.
- Yes.

422
00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,334
But you didn't correct it
with the group.

423
00:16:10,336 --> 00:16:11,469
No.

424
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,204
You let everyone else
believe that.

425
00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:15,540
- She let me run with it.
- On worldwide television.

426
00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:19,076
@imperialquirk wants to know,
"Why is Lisa mad at Whitney

427
00:16:19,078 --> 00:16:21,079
for calling Cameron
to get the story,

428
00:16:21,081 --> 00:16:23,415
when Lisa is the one who brought
him into the conversation?"

429
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,017
- 'Cause you went on call him.
- Great question, yeah.

430
00:16:25,019 --> 00:16:26,617
- Yeah.
- And you were upset about that.

431
00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:27,686
Did you think I was gonna
trust her after the caterers?

432
00:16:27,688 --> 00:16:29,353
I wanted to go
to the horse's mouth.

433
00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:30,488
I didn't think it was
appropriate to do that.

434
00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:32,890
I thought it was like, if you
want information on Mary,

435
00:16:32,892 --> 00:16:34,692
like, you don't need to get it
that way. You can get it online.

436
00:16:34,694 --> 00:16:36,427
But I wanna read this
text message from Cameron

437
00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:37,628
that he sent to me.
- We don't know that

438
00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:39,097
those are real. You could
have crafted those. Like...

439
00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:40,431
They're on my phone.

440
00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:41,766
They're not crafted,
and this is disgusting.

441
00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:43,034
Well, then bring out your phone.

442
00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:44,635
- This is disgusting.
- No, he's passed on.

443
00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:46,304
Why would you be his voice?
I don't know if he, like,

444
00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:48,306
elected you to be represent him.
- Because he wrote it.

445
00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:51,909
He said in April, "I wanna
text you in case someone

446
00:16:51,911 --> 00:16:53,644
tries to misconstrue the truth.

447
00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:55,580
Whitney Rose reached out to me
through Angie.

448
00:16:55,582 --> 00:16:58,182
I don't know her at all.
I didn't tell her anything

449
00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,117
that happened
between me and Mary."

450
00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:01,453
But he did tell Meredith what
happened between him and Mary...

451
00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:04,188
- Cameron Williams...
- and told Meredith

452
00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:06,190
a lot of horrible things.
- But that's his decision.

453
00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:08,392
She didn't make him go
tell Meredith.

454
00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:09,594
No, but he texted me about it,

455
00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:11,128
and I reached out to him
through text.

456
00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,999
I-I decided because of what
Meredith told me

457
00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:16,535
at the cooking class...

458
00:17:16,537 --> 00:17:19,403
He kept saying he had been
very close with Mary.

459
00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:21,939
They no longer were close.

460
00:17:21,941 --> 00:17:27,545
He said, you know, "Best of luck
to you. Be careful."

461
00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,748
And the fact that he--
I thought it was suspicious--

462
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,883
- He barely said anything.
- Let me talk, please.

463
00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:34,286
- Yeah, hold on. Let her talk.
- I thought it was suspicious

464
00:17:34,288 --> 00:17:35,686
that all of sudden,
he surfaced at this...

465
00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:37,221
- He said a lot to Meredith.
- He did not.

466
00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:38,823
- He did.
- Fresh Wolf event.

467
00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:40,958
So I knew that she met him
through Angie.

468
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,160
I did not meet him
through Angie.

469
00:17:42,162 --> 00:17:43,561
Please talk to my husband
about that.

470
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,162
So I called Angie
for his phone number.

471
00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:45,362
Call--I'll call Angie right now.

472
00:17:45,364 --> 00:17:48,499
And Angie--Angie--I texted him
very kindly and said,

473
00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:49,567
"I don't want to create an issue
with you and Lisa."

474
00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:50,569
- Okay.
- "But a few of the things

475
00:17:50,571 --> 00:17:52,571
that I have heard are
weighing heavy on my heart,

476
00:17:52,573 --> 00:17:53,771
and I'd like to hear it
from you.

477
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:56,507
- Okay.
- Because if they are true,

478
00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:58,176
we need to know.
- Okay.

479
00:17:58,178 --> 00:18:00,177
I have many texts from him
you can see.

480
00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:02,447
He was ready to come out
about Mary.

481
00:18:02,449 --> 00:18:06,450
He tells me in this text
that he was ready to come out

482
00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:08,320
and say everything about Mary.
- Cameron was on a path

483
00:18:08,322 --> 00:18:10,055
for spiritual healing.
- Well, then what did he mean

484
00:18:10,057 --> 00:18:11,656
when he texted you, saying,
"I didn't tell her anything?"

485
00:18:11,658 --> 00:18:12,523
- Because he clearly did.
- So Lisa gave him a--

486
00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:14,059
[laughs]
Yeah, that's pretty suspect.

487
00:18:14,061 --> 00:18:15,860
Well, I think
that's after the fact.

488
00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:19,063
- What did Cameron tell you?
- That--That Mary's congregation

489
00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:20,931
definitely believes
that she's God,

490
00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:24,935
and later episodes, we actually
see the woman reading to her

491
00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:28,673
that she's a facsimile of God,
which is an exact copy,

492
00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:30,875
um, is the definition.
He told me that he had

493
00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:33,410
a relationship with her.
- Like a sexual relationship.

494
00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:36,347
No, he did not say--
I did not ask--push--

495
00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:38,483
You believe they were having
an affair?

496
00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:39,818
- Yeah.
- I think they had one.

497
00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:41,553
I don't think it was going on
anymore. I think it was over.

498
00:18:41,555 --> 00:18:42,620
- Yeah, it was not--No.
- Cameron was engaged to Indya.

499
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:43,888
And I was--
- It was well over.

500
00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:45,557
- I filmed his engagement.
- When he was young.

501
00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:47,491
- He was engaged.
- Cameron was very--he was young

502
00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:50,694
when this happened with Mary,
and he felt, uh...

503
00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:53,397
he was taken advantage of.

504
00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:57,368
I wish she was here to...

505
00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:58,503
- Yeah.
- Mary should be here.

506
00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:00,439
I wish--I wish Cameron was here,
and I wish Mary was here.

507
00:19:00,441 --> 00:19:02,507
Mary should be here.

508
00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:04,909
Delia from New Orleans said,
"I've heard rumors

509
00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:06,644
that there's a support group
for ex-members..."

510
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,245
- There is.
- "...of Mary's church."

511
00:19:08,247 --> 00:19:09,380
Does anyone know
if this is true?

512
00:19:09,382 --> 00:19:11,649
It's true. It's 100% true.

513
00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:12,850
I've had ex-members of
her congregation come up to me

514
00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:16,454
and say that I have it right,
that we have it right.

515
00:19:16,456 --> 00:19:18,856
Okay. Let's move on.

516
00:19:18,858 --> 00:19:20,658
I wanna talk
about something else--

517
00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:23,527
Something a little lighter
for the group.

518
00:19:23,529 --> 00:19:26,398
While most Housewives
don't enjoy being upstaged

519
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,233
by a younger, cuter version
of themselves,

520
00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:33,404
I think there's an exception
if it's their own offspring.

521
00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:34,739
So let's take a look at

522
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:37,541
"The Real<i> Housekids</i>
of Salt Lake City."

523
00:19:37,543 --> 00:19:39,009
Aw.

524
00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:40,611
I think school's more important.

525
00:19:40,613 --> 00:19:41,679
You're straight A's, aren't you?
No B's.

526
00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:44,816
Yeah, no B's. That's why
we're Asian, not B-sian.

527
00:19:44,818 --> 00:19:47,685
[laughs] Oh, my God.

528
00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:49,420
Can I just touch up your hair?

529
00:19:49,422 --> 00:19:52,523
- Your hair sucks.
- Want the scissors?

530
00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:54,358
- [laughs]
- At least I<i> have</i> hair.

531
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,160
Words of encouragement.
[laughs]

532
00:19:56,162 --> 00:19:58,830
Do you think Bobbie should be
a part of this conversation?

533
00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:07,304
You think you can get ugly guys,
but you can get cute guys.

534
00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:08,439
You think I'm just saying
ugly guys are cute

535
00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:10,107
because that's all
I can hope for?

536
00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:12,510
- Yeah!
- [laughter]

537
00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:13,978
You know Mommy was
on the basketball team?

538
00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,313
Yes, ma'am.

539
00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:18,116
- [laughs]
- You can't do that, Mama.

540
00:20:18,118 --> 00:20:19,651
Okay.

541
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:22,953
♪♪♪

542
00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:25,856
We would put the dancer
in the hot tub.

543
00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:27,524
They could dance
on this second step.

544
00:20:27,526 --> 00:20:30,661
Wait, but how do you know
how tall your dancers are?

545
00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:32,896
How big of a difference
is it going to be?

546
00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:35,132
Whatever. It's not my party.
I don't care.

547
00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:38,402
Oh, by the way,
is Karlyn like that off-camera?

548
00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:39,737
- Yes, all the time.
- Yes.

549
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,071
- She's exact same.
- All the time.

550
00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:42,540
- Same way.
- Same way.

551
00:20:42,542 --> 00:20:44,341
Where did Bobbie get her wit?

552
00:20:44,343 --> 00:20:45,342
- From Whit.
- There you go.

553
00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:47,077
[laughter]

554
00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,748
Um, Meredith, what's the latest
with Brooks' fashion line?

555
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:53,484
Brooks is doing great.
He's working hard.

556
00:20:53,486 --> 00:20:55,687
He's finishing up at NYU
this spring as well,

557
00:20:55,689 --> 00:20:57,822
so he's, you know, doing a lot--

558
00:20:57,824 --> 00:21:02,026
School and running a company.
It's intense.

559
00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:03,695
- How's Chloe?
- Chloe's great.

560
00:21:03,697 --> 00:21:06,030
She's spending a little time
in L.A. with me,

561
00:21:06,032 --> 00:21:07,564
and, well,
I guess Boulder's remote

562
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,767
for the first part
of the semester,

563
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,036
so she's probably gonna come
back to Utah for a little bit.

564
00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:15,572
Lisa, did your boys give you
any outfit advice?

565
00:21:15,574 --> 00:21:18,509
My kids--their biggest rule
is, "Mom, don't look single."

566
00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:20,444
- [laughs]
- So when I leave the house,

567
00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:21,980
every time I go out
with John or something,

568
00:21:21,982 --> 00:21:23,715
they're like, "That's single,"
and that means,

569
00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:26,450
like, it's showing
too much skin, but, like,

570
00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:28,653
Henry's like,
"Mom, just don't look single."

571
00:21:28,655 --> 00:21:30,187
Um, Jen, how's Omar doing?

572
00:21:30,189 --> 00:21:32,589
Omar's doing awesome.

573
00:21:32,591 --> 00:21:34,458
Did he let you decorate
his locker?

574
00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,795
- [laughter]
- No. No, in fact, I tried,

575
00:21:36,797 --> 00:21:39,598
and he doesn't have a locker.
He did that on purpose.

576
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,265
- Oh, really?
- [laughter]

577
00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:42,933
I was like, "What do you mean,
you don't have a locker?"

578
00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:44,468
So I called the school,
and I'm like,

579
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:45,870
"Why does my son not have
a locker?"

580
00:21:45,872 --> 00:21:48,273
And they're like, "Well,
he just--he didn't come get it."

581
00:21:48,275 --> 00:21:49,807
And I think he did it
on purpose.

582
00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:51,275
He's, like,
sharing with a friend.

583
00:21:51,277 --> 00:21:53,010
Right. Heather, you had a kid

584
00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:54,545
graduating high school
this year.

585
00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:56,547
What's it like having
your babies become adults?

586
00:21:56,549 --> 00:22:00,084
It feels like...
a big, huge payoff as a mom.

587
00:22:00,086 --> 00:22:01,952
We got some response
from viewers who felt like

588
00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:05,956
you were kind of living
vicariously through Ashley

589
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:08,359
by encouraging her
to have a wild time at school.

590
00:22:08,361 --> 00:22:10,562
You know how to use a condom,
right?

591
00:22:10,564 --> 00:22:12,663
Yeah. Had sex ed for that. Bye!

592
00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,633
So don't get pregnant.
Don't get a disease.

593
00:22:14,635 --> 00:22:17,267
Love you.

594
00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:19,303
Is that at all...

595
00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:20,771
Absolutely.

596
00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:22,306
It's not--I don't really wanna
live vicariously,

597
00:22:22,308 --> 00:22:24,442
but I think that when you know
better, you do better,

598
00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:28,645
and as a mom, I thought,
get it out now,

599
00:22:28,647 --> 00:22:31,383
not when you're 40.
Like, be wild now,

600
00:22:31,385 --> 00:22:33,984
and also learn how
to balance life and fun,

601
00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,054
and which, you know, college is
the time to do that, you know?

602
00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:39,924
Are you doing the reverse now
in your life?

603
00:22:39,926 --> 00:22:41,658
- Yeah, absolutely.
- Yeah. Good.

604
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:44,128
Absolutely. I have
no balance whatsoever. [laughs]

605
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:47,098
Uh, we need to take a break.
We'll be right back.

606
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,565
<i>Coming up...</i>

607
00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:50,401
[crying]
I needed a moment to grieve

608
00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:52,536
and a friend to be there for me,

609
00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:55,006
and you hurt me,
and you let me down.

610
00:22:55,008 --> 00:22:55,072
♪♪♪

611
00:22:55,273 --> 00:23:03,273
♪♪♪

612
00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:04,949
And we are back

613
00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:07,684
with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

614
00:23:07,686 --> 00:23:09,020
Well, as the saying goes,

615
00:23:09,022 --> 00:23:12,156
"Keep your friends close
and your enemies closer."

616
00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:15,427
But what happens when
you can't tell who's who?

617
00:23:15,429 --> 00:23:18,896
♪♪♪

618
00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:20,899
Jen, you told Lisa
multiple times

619
00:23:20,901 --> 00:23:22,700
that Meredith wasn't
a good friend to her.

620
00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:24,368
Why did you think that?

621
00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:26,570
All I'm seeing from Lisa is,

622
00:23:26,572 --> 00:23:27,905
"This is my best friend
for 10 years.

623
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:29,307
We're like sisters. I love her,"

624
00:23:29,309 --> 00:23:31,909
and then she's just with Mary.

625
00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:33,712
And I'm seeing
that's making her upset,

626
00:23:33,714 --> 00:23:35,646
and I can see
that there's tension,

627
00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:38,182
but it's not being talked about,

628
00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:39,917
and Lisa's hurt,
and I'm not getting this side,

629
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:41,986
so I'm like, she's not being
a good friend to you.

630
00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:43,253
I was never hurt

631
00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:44,789
about Meredith's relationship
with Mary. I actually--

632
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,324
- Yes, you were.
- No, I was not.

633
00:23:46,326 --> 00:23:49,527
Meredith and I have to work
through some stuff.

634
00:23:49,529 --> 00:23:50,527
The double standard
with Meredith is

635
00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:52,930
I don't know how she can say,
"I love kindness.

636
00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:55,332
I wanna be kind"
and defend the person

637
00:23:55,334 --> 00:23:58,536
that's the ----ing meanest
in the whole ----ing group.

638
00:23:58,538 --> 00:23:59,738
You were so hurt

639
00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:01,072
about Meredith's relationship
with Mary

640
00:24:01,074 --> 00:24:02,674
that you called her a ----ing
piece of sh-- garbage whore...

641
00:24:02,676 --> 00:24:03,475
No, no, no, no, that's not
why I said it, no.

642
00:24:03,477 --> 00:24:04,942
that she ----ed
half of New York

643
00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,210
and that her husband
doesn't have a job.

644
00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:07,144
- Don't put words in my mouth.
- That's a pretty host--That's--

645
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:08,345
That's not--
Don't put words in my mouth.

646
00:24:08,347 --> 00:24:09,080
- Words for your mouth?
- Don't put words in my mouth.

647
00:24:22,963 --> 00:24:25,595
What hurt my feelings is when
she said, "I'm offended"

648
00:24:25,597 --> 00:24:28,232
because every time I try
and express my feelings,

649
00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:30,801
they're offensive.

650
00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,169
- Nobody had my back.
- No one ever has your back.

651
00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:34,905
- Keep saying it.
- No, nobody had my back.

652
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:36,574
I've been a very good friend
to you, Lisa,

653
00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:37,975
and it's offensive to me

654
00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:40,177
that you continually say that
over and over.

655
00:24:40,179 --> 00:24:43,847
First of all, to the best
of my understanding,

656
00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:47,652
what triggered that tirade
was us sitting at the table.

657
00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:49,720
You and Mary had an argument.

658
00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:52,656
You got upset
that I didn't take your side,

659
00:24:52,658 --> 00:24:57,194
and you went into a rage
that I--

660
00:24:57,196 --> 00:25:00,531
That how could I be offended
by your feelings?

661
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:01,999
You're entitled
to your feelings.

662
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,401
I'm entitled to mine. And--

663
00:25:04,403 --> 00:25:07,804
And what you've been
slowly doing is pointing out

664
00:25:07,806 --> 00:25:10,674
situations through tonight
that you feel

665
00:25:10,676 --> 00:25:12,276
that you<i> have</i> had her back,

666
00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:14,411
and that's why you were
doing that. Is that correct?

667
00:25:14,413 --> 00:25:15,814
- 100%.
- Okay,

668
00:25:15,816 --> 00:25:17,814
Lisa, I have a question for you.

669
00:25:17,816 --> 00:25:20,818
On Casino Night, when you ran
into this problem with Angie,

670
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:22,619
did you feel that I had
your back and stood up for you?

671
00:25:22,621 --> 00:25:26,023
I do feel like you had my back.
I do.

672
00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:28,691
One more question.
Lisa, at Mary's luncheon,

673
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,895
when we sat down
to discuss this,

674
00:25:30,897 --> 00:25:32,897
and Jen was very upset,

675
00:25:32,899 --> 00:25:35,766
and I said, "Not everyone gets
invited to everything,"

676
00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:36,867
did I have your back
and support you at that lunch?

677
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,103
- Yes, she did.
- Thank you.

678
00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:41,840
Go on.

679
00:25:41,842 --> 00:25:44,775
The argument
between you and Mary

680
00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:48,178
started by
you calling Mary fake.

681
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:49,446
Uh, it started--

682
00:25:49,448 --> 00:25:50,848
And she took off on you as well,

683
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,983
and both of you were vicious
with each other.

684
00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:55,652
If you think I was gonna get
in the middle of that,

685
00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:58,455
you are out of your mind.
That's not gonna happen.

686
00:25:58,457 --> 00:26:02,125
The argument started with Mary
because I was defending Jennie

687
00:26:02,127 --> 00:26:04,528
because she was
attacking Jennie, and that's--

688
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:05,997
- I was defending Jennie.
- We--I, too--

689
00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:07,197
I defended Jennie, too.
They don't show everything.

690
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:09,066
'Cause I didn't say the horrible
things about Meredith.

691
00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:10,200
That's how
that whole conversation--

692
00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:11,736
Is that all you wanted
to say to her?

693
00:26:11,738 --> 00:26:13,003
- I had your back at the table.
- No, okay, so go on.

694
00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:14,338
We all had your back
at the table.

695
00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:17,007
- Okay, go on.
- I find it incomprehensible

696
00:26:17,009 --> 00:26:20,143
that me expressing my feelings
of being offended

697
00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:22,012
could be enough.

698
00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:24,348
There's nothing that
could be enough to trigger

699
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,017
that kind of tirade
against anyone.

700
00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:27,551
I've never spoken that way
about anybody,

701
00:26:27,553 --> 00:26:32,823
nonetheless somebody who
I profess to be like sisters,

702
00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:37,095
family friends,
friends for 10 years, ever.

703
00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:43,635
It seems like a huge... barrier
in your friendship with Lisa

704
00:26:43,637 --> 00:26:46,103
was Lisa's friendship with Jen.

705
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,972
Um, well, just... even starting

706
00:26:48,974 --> 00:26:51,842
at the Shabbat dinner that I had
and...

707
00:26:53,846 --> 00:26:55,179
[voice breaking] Sorry.

708
00:26:55,181 --> 00:26:57,181
[sniffles]
I need another tissue, please.

709
00:26:57,183 --> 00:27:00,284
[crying]

710
00:27:02,855 --> 00:27:04,188
[sniffles]

711
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:06,190
[exhales deeply]

712
00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:10,394
The memory of my father was...
[sniffles] really hard.

713
00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:13,798
Lisa, you really, really hurt me
with that.

714
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,134
I called you three days
before he passed away,

715
00:27:17,136 --> 00:27:19,336
and I said,
"My father is dying,"

716
00:27:19,338 --> 00:27:23,073
and you never called me
to check on me.

717
00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:25,276
Two days after he died,
I called you and said he died,

718
00:27:25,278 --> 00:27:27,211
and then I invited you
to Shabbat dinner,

719
00:27:27,213 --> 00:27:29,346
and all you wanted to do
was attack me

720
00:27:29,348 --> 00:27:31,215
to make friends with Jen,
which you knew

721
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,750
was a sensitive subject
at that moment.

722
00:27:33,752 --> 00:27:36,153
We need to all listen to her.

723
00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:38,890
You can't mistreat other people,
which is what she has done...

724
00:27:38,892 --> 00:27:40,157
- I don't--
- for a year.

725
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,124
I feel like
she's been mistreated, too.

726
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:42,760
She has gone on
an unwarranted vendetta

727
00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:44,095
against my family.

728
00:27:44,097 --> 00:27:48,099
Jen's feelings and emotions stem
from something. Okay, can we--

729
00:27:48,101 --> 00:27:50,367
I have not done anything
to Jennifer Shah.

730
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:51,970
[voice breaking]
I needed a moment to grieve

731
00:27:51,972 --> 00:27:54,905
and a friend to be there for me,
and you hurt me,

732
00:27:54,907 --> 00:27:56,907
and you let me down.

733
00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,575
I absolutely called
Meredith back.

734
00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,243
No.

735
00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:03,180
And I absolutely talked to you
about it. I knew--You even--

736
00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:05,715
Two days after he died.
I called you three days before

737
00:28:05,717 --> 00:28:07,117
and said he's dying.

738
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,187
I checked on you. I d--
I always check on you.

739
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:12,322
Meredith, my dad had passed,
and she texted me and said,

740
00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:14,458
"I hope your dad's
feeling better."

741
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:16,927
- No, I did not say that.
- After he died?

742
00:28:16,929 --> 00:28:18,796
Yeah,
the day after he had passed.

743
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:20,263
- I didn't know he had passed.
- I know, Lisa.

744
00:28:20,265 --> 00:28:22,065
That's why I don't care.
I'm just saying, like,

745
00:28:22,067 --> 00:28:23,266
it's just indicative.
- Yeah. It was not intentional.

746
00:28:23,268 --> 00:28:24,468
- I was--I didn't--
- Bullsh--.

747
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:26,269
Well, I mean, she may have
known. Everyone else knew.

748
00:28:26,271 --> 00:28:27,205
When your father passed,
I did send you a text message

749
00:28:27,207 --> 00:28:29,807
and--and expressed sorrow.
- A few days later,

750
00:28:29,809 --> 00:28:31,208
but while he--when he--
- But I mean, we--

751
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:32,342
I'm just saying I understand.

752
00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:33,745
It wasn't about attacking you,
Lisa.

753
00:28:33,747 --> 00:28:34,878
And I was there for her.
I was--

754
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,079
I'm saying I understand.
That's it.

755
00:28:36,081 --> 00:28:37,080
I was there for you, Meredith.
I was 100% there for you.

756
00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:39,182
- It sounds like you weren't.
- No, I was. I was.

757
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:40,617
I mean, it sounds like she
doesn't feel like you were.

758
00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:42,953
- That's--I mean, so--
- I'm--I'm so sorry.

759
00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:45,023
I'm a horrible human being,
and I regret it forever.

760
00:28:45,025 --> 00:28:48,558
About a month later, Lisa,
I sent you a text.

761
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,093
- I was--I checked up on her.
- I had said to you verbally

762
00:28:50,095 --> 00:28:53,230
prior to this text
that I had things going on.

763
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:55,233
May I see your message?
Can I see it?

764
00:28:55,235 --> 00:28:56,967
Yes, I will show it to you
in just a moment...

765
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,101
- Okay, I--
- if you would let me

766
00:28:58,103 --> 00:29:00,470
finish speaking. Thank you.

767
00:29:00,472 --> 00:29:03,307
Wow.

768
00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:05,576
I sent you a text, and I said,

769
00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:08,245
"If you love my family,
please stand up for it.

770
00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:12,382
[voice breaking] I am in
immense pain, suffering daily.

771
00:29:12,384 --> 00:29:14,318
[sniffles] What you decide
is right for you,

772
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,522
I will always respect,
but I am asking for a friend.

773
00:29:18,524 --> 00:29:20,924
I have gone through
what no one should ever.

774
00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:25,262
I am hurting. I love you.
I am in extreme pain

775
00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:26,730
and feel alone."
- And this was--

776
00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:28,199
And this was about Br--
- And those were the things

777
00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:30,267
you had to say about me
after that.

778
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:30,333
♪♪♪

779
00:29:30,535 --> 00:29:38,535
After I had called you,

780
00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:44,014
after my father had passed,
when I was struggling

781
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:46,550
to make arrangements for him
when I was going

782
00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:48,351
through a lot of stuff
with my family,

783
00:29:48,353 --> 00:29:51,821
those were the things you had
to say about me after that.

784
00:29:51,823 --> 00:29:52,790
I was there for you with your--

785
00:29:52,792 --> 00:29:54,491
It actually started before that.

786
00:29:54,493 --> 00:29:55,358
I was there for her for her
father. In fact, I called her--

787
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,896
I know, but she's--
You're having a...

788
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:00,230
You're--it's not landing
with her, so...

789
00:30:00,232 --> 00:30:01,966
- Okay, it is landing with me.
- I hear what you're saying

790
00:30:01,968 --> 00:30:03,733
about your dad.
- What?

791
00:30:03,735 --> 00:30:06,503
Listen, Andy, I'm sorry.
I hear it.

792
00:30:06,505 --> 00:30:08,372
There's a lot coming at me.
I just need a minute.

793
00:30:08,374 --> 00:30:09,907
- Okay.
- There's too many people.

794
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:12,509
Okay, so to address,
I feel like I was there.

795
00:30:12,511 --> 00:30:15,378
- Okay.
- I know I was there. I know--

796
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:18,783
- It sounds like it didn't land.
- I<i> know</i> I was there for you.

797
00:30:18,785 --> 00:30:20,450
- I know.
- Let me jump ahead.

798
00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:23,488
In a season
of jaw-dropping moments,

799
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:25,189
this was at the top.

800
00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:28,992
You say, "Meredith can go
[bleep] herself.

801
00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:30,394
I'm done with her 'cause I'm not
a ----ing whore."

802
00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:32,062
Oh, I was gonna read it.
Thank you.

803
00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:33,463
"And I don't cheat
on my husband.

804
00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:36,267
Her and her dumb ----ing family
that poses.

805
00:30:36,269 --> 00:30:38,136
Why don't you own a house?
Well, you can't,

806
00:30:38,138 --> 00:30:41,538
'cause your husband changes jobs
every five minutes.

807
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,941
Meredith is a piece of sh--.

808
00:30:43,943 --> 00:30:46,543
I have your back.
I'm offended by that.

809
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:50,080
[bleep] you. That ----ing
piece of sh-- garbage whore.

810
00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:51,681
I ----ing hate her.
She's a whore.

811
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:57,388
She's ----ed half of New York.
She can go [bleep] herself."

812
00:30:57,390 --> 00:31:00,156
- So...
- That's a lot.

813
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:01,291
And I wanna say something
about it.

814
00:31:01,293 --> 00:31:03,760
The content is absurd.

815
00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:06,029
That's how you feel about me,
that's fine. None of it's true.

816
00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:06,964
- It's not.
- But that's okay.

817
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:09,634
I don't really care about that.

818
00:31:09,636 --> 00:31:12,702
The venom and hatred
that the delivery came with

819
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,172
is what resonated.

820
00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:16,373
I couldn't even sit
and watch it. I'd stop it.

821
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,976
It took me about an hour
to get through it.

822
00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:20,777
I was sick.

823
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:24,114
Utterly sick.

824
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:27,084
You wouldn't go when Jen,
your good friend,

825
00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:29,519
was arrested
with federal charges...

826
00:31:29,521 --> 00:31:31,122
- Oh.
- and needed a friend

827
00:31:31,124 --> 00:31:32,522
and called you and called you
and called you.

828
00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:34,192
You said you didn't return
her call

829
00:31:34,194 --> 00:31:36,660
because she yelled at you
when your kids were in the car

830
00:31:36,662 --> 00:31:38,662
and heard the horrible things
they had to say about you.

831
00:31:38,664 --> 00:31:41,598
How do you think<i> my</i> kids feel
about the things

832
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,000
you just said about me...
- I'm sure--

833
00:31:43,002 --> 00:31:45,136
and the rest of the world?

834
00:31:45,138 --> 00:31:46,403
I was packing my stuff
to get out.

835
00:31:46,405 --> 00:31:48,037
- Who were you speaking to?
- I was talking to myself.

836
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,274
I was, like, in a--
In a blind rage rant.

837
00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:53,477
- You said a lot.
- I did.

838
00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:55,479
And I don't wanna make
this worse,

839
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:58,281
but it kind of seemed like some
sort of a truth dump for you.

840
00:31:58,283 --> 00:32:00,150
- No, it wasn't.
- Do you think she's a whore?

841
00:32:00,152 --> 00:32:01,552
No, I do not.

842
00:32:01,554 --> 00:32:02,887
Do you think she ----ed half
of New York?

843
00:32:02,889 --> 00:32:04,287
- I'm--I'm glad you asked that.
- Okay.

844
00:32:04,289 --> 00:32:05,423
Do I think you ----ed
4.2 million people? No.

845
00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:08,092
I've slept with fewer people
than I have fingers, okay?

846
00:32:08,094 --> 00:32:10,493
So there you go.
New York City is pretty large.

847
00:32:10,495 --> 00:32:12,696
Since I'm a pot stirrer,
if since the shoe fits, wear it.

848
00:32:12,698 --> 00:32:15,231
- Wait. Wait. Can I please stop--
- She told people

849
00:32:15,233 --> 00:32:18,234
before this even filmed...
- I did not.

850
00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:19,436
- exactly that.
- I did not. I did not.

851
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:21,371
- I'm sure she did.
- I did not. I did not!

852
00:32:21,373 --> 00:32:24,641
Hey, Meredith, you should
call Sara Jane Warner.

853
00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:25,642
I have never talked
about your marriage.

854
00:32:25,644 --> 00:32:27,043
I have never talked about you
before that rant.

855
00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:28,246
You didn't think the cameras
were on.

856
00:32:28,248 --> 00:32:29,113
You revealed
your true character.

857
00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:30,847
And I'm sorry it was caught
on audio.

858
00:32:30,849 --> 00:32:32,116
I called you right after this.

859
00:32:32,118 --> 00:32:34,252
I made a lot of comments
that I feel sorry for.

860
00:32:34,254 --> 00:32:37,587
Are my words awful? Yes.

861
00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:39,923
Was I at a breaking point?
Absolutely.

862
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:44,327
Was I in the privacy of my room?
100%. I could not take any more.

863
00:32:44,329 --> 00:32:48,465
Do I regret saying it? Yes.
Am I sorry? 1,000%.

864
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:51,602
Meredith, I can't say it enough
how sorry I am. I am.

865
00:32:51,604 --> 00:32:53,336
Big picture, it took a lot

866
00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:55,539
to get there for me emotionally,
too.

867
00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:58,208
It didn't just happen
that night.

868
00:32:58,210 --> 00:33:00,343
It was a build-up of things
that I probably

869
00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:04,081
just felt devastated by
because for the last year,

870
00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:08,485
I felt like you were
rejecting me because

871
00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:09,487
you keep saying, "You're seeking
out a friendship with Jen.

872
00:33:09,489 --> 00:33:11,621
You're seeking this out.
You're seeking this out."

873
00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:13,290
Only because you had attacked me
about being friends

874
00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:14,157
with Heather and Whitney...
- I didn't say that.

875
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:15,692
- I was trying--
- ad nauseam for hours

876
00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:17,460
and hours and hours on end.
- I was trying for you

877
00:33:17,462 --> 00:33:21,431
to understand that why is it
okay for you to be friends

878
00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:23,868
with Heather and Whitney but me
not to be friends with Jen?

879
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:26,770
Why is it okay for Heather and
Whitney to be friends with Jen

880
00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:29,372
but not me?
That was where I was confused.

881
00:33:29,374 --> 00:33:30,507
But you can be friends
with everyone,

882
00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:34,444
but I have parameters on who
I can be friends with.

883
00:33:34,446 --> 00:33:35,712
And that was rough for me.

884
00:33:35,714 --> 00:33:37,714
I got basically cut off from you

885
00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:41,118
because I didn't fit in the mold
for Meredith Marks' friend.

886
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,186
Wait, Lisa. Hold on a second.
Because, uh--

887
00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:45,589
Here's part of the problem.

888
00:33:45,591 --> 00:33:49,259
Your delivery for an apology--
It doesn't come across like--

889
00:33:49,261 --> 00:33:50,994
It needs to be a little bit
softer and, like--

890
00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:52,862
I'm sorry this is
a group setting

891
00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:55,933
where I have to talk to her
about it. I'm sorry about this.

892
00:33:55,935 --> 00:33:59,403
I'm sorry I ever even said it.
I'm sorry I put it out there.

893
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:01,672
Are you sorry you said it
or are you sorry you got caught?

894
00:34:01,674 --> 00:34:03,573
I'm not sorry I got caught.
I'm not sorry I got caught.

895
00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:04,607
- You're sorry you got caught.
- No. No.

896
00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,409
Because I believe you've said
things like that

897
00:34:06,411 --> 00:34:07,678
about every single one of us.
- I have not. I have not.

898
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,013
'Cause I know you've said it
about Jen.

899
00:34:09,015 --> 00:34:10,814
- Yeah.
- I know you've said it about me,

900
00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:12,682
and I know you've said it
about Whitney.

901
00:34:12,684 --> 00:34:14,751
And if I were friends with more
of Jennie's mutual friends

902
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:17,487
that were also friends with you,
I'd probably hear it about them.

903
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,955
- This is--
- I feel like you think that

904
00:34:18,957 --> 00:34:20,757
we're gonna crucify you for this
one moment, but, Lisa...

905
00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,959
- Yes, you are, and you have.
- what the one moment was,

906
00:34:22,961 --> 00:34:25,095
was like a "Scooby-Doo" episode
where we rip the mask off,

907
00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:27,163
and we see who
the real villain was.

908
00:34:27,165 --> 00:34:28,498
- Okay. My gosh, I'm--I'm--
- And now we can deal with it.

909
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:29,966
- Well, just let her talk.
- Okay. Yes.

910
00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:31,367
- Lisa, go ahead and you speak.
- Just let her talk.

911
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:33,637
I wanna hear what she has
to say. Can we let her...

912
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,772
When it came to your father,
when it came to your father,

913
00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:37,641
I was 100% there for you.
I talked to you

914
00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:39,710
about the memorial.
I was there for you.

915
00:34:39,712 --> 00:34:41,644
I checked in on you
all the time, Meredith.

916
00:34:41,646 --> 00:34:44,447
Whitney, what was it like
for you to see

917
00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:46,449
the breakdown
of this friendship?

918
00:34:46,451 --> 00:34:48,051
- Are you sad for them?
- No.

919
00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:53,790
Yes, because if they truly had
this deep of a friendship

920
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:56,593
and 10 years just thrown away
in a moment like that,

921
00:34:56,595 --> 00:34:59,129
but I think we all saw it coming
this season.

922
00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:00,931
There was a slow build.

923
00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:02,533
So why did<i> you</i> tell me, Heather,

924
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:05,401
that you don't feel like
Meredith's my friend,

925
00:35:05,403 --> 00:35:07,537
she wasn't showing up for me,
after horseback riding?

926
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:10,073
You've been at odds
with everybody

927
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,609
in defense of Meredith.

928
00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:15,412
I just felt for you, and I just,
I feel like...

929
00:35:15,414 --> 00:35:18,014
I feel for me, too.

930
00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:19,782
You know, I told you guys this
on the van.

931
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,718
There has been tension
between me and Meredith.

932
00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:26,623
I never considered,
not for even a second,

933
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,892
really, the fact that Meredith
hadn't been showing up

934
00:35:28,894 --> 00:35:30,493
for you at all.

935
00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:32,095
I was trying to mend this,
and Meredith knows that.

936
00:35:32,097 --> 00:35:33,596
No, you weren't trying
to mend it.

937
00:35:33,598 --> 00:35:34,965
You were telling me
that she's not my friend...

938
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:36,567
- I said I know--I-I--
- she never has my back.

939
00:35:36,569 --> 00:35:37,834
- She did. She did.
- Then why--then it would be

940
00:35:37,836 --> 00:35:39,370
on camera if I said
those things.

941
00:35:39,372 --> 00:35:41,105
- Um, well...
- It would be,

942
00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:42,906
because that's pretty rich.
- Maybe it will show up.

943
00:35:42,908 --> 00:35:44,641
- That's pretty good TV.
- Maybe it will show up.

944
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:47,977
I wanted you guys... [stammers]
Big thing for me, Lisa,

945
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,914
is I'd never felt for you. I had
never seen your point of view.

946
00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:55,185
I'd never had compassion for how
you might have felt abandoned.

947
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:57,320
And I can say to Meredith
right here.

948
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:59,122
She didn't really show up
for you as much as, like,

949
00:35:59,124 --> 00:36:00,657
I'm blindly showing up
for this one

950
00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,792
who's been horrible to me.
I'm just like--

951
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:04,594
You don't have to keep
saying that.

952
00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:06,930
Well, you know what? It's true,
and so Jen's been horrible to me

953
00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,798
and I show up no matter what,

954
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,201
in a fight, like, whatever,
and, like, I suddenly compared

955
00:36:12,203 --> 00:36:13,469
the way I behaved as a friend

956
00:36:13,471 --> 00:36:14,871
to how Meredith behaved
as a friend,

957
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:17,407
and there was a vast difference,
and for the first time I saw it,

958
00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:19,342
and I said to you
and I felt for you,

959
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,211
and I came out
on this reunion stage

960
00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:25,549
wanting to defend you and help
you support your point of view

961
00:36:25,551 --> 00:36:28,885
because I thought it was valid,
and you are unwilling

962
00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:32,956
to say you're sorry for anything
in a way that's meaningful.

963
00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:34,624
You are still defending
your behavior.

964
00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:35,759
You are still not
acknowledging--

965
00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:37,627
I'm explaining my behavior.
That's the difference.

966
00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:39,495
- I'm explaining it.
- And that to me is--

967
00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:41,831
I have literally been
a great friend to you

968
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:45,101
for the last 10 years,
and I think that one moment,

969
00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:47,570
everyone's gonna crucify me for?
- No.

970
00:36:47,572 --> 00:36:48,705
Crucify me for it.
I made a mistake.

971
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:49,906
It seems like what
she's saying is--

972
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,708
You want me to cut my wrists
in front of you and be like,

973
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:53,376
"I'm so sorry."
- No, no, I want you to say,

974
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,111
"I'm going to be better."
- I am--I'm being, like--

975
00:36:55,113 --> 00:36:56,247
Let her talk.

976
00:36:56,249 --> 00:36:58,581
[crying] I am being myself
right now.

977
00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:01,518
That's the problem. I'm, like,
shutting the [bleep] down

978
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,787
like I did with you
because everybody here

979
00:37:03,789 --> 00:37:06,255
wants to break me all the time.

980
00:37:06,257 --> 00:37:06,323
♪♪♪

981
00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:14,391
[crying] I am being myself
right now. That's the problem.

982
00:37:19,205 --> 00:37:22,872
I'm, like, shutting the [bleep]
down like I did with you,

983
00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:25,541
because everybody here wants
to break me all the time.

984
00:37:25,543 --> 00:37:27,544
I'm done with that.

985
00:37:27,546 --> 00:37:29,346
Lisa, you don't have to be
this strong--

986
00:37:29,348 --> 00:37:30,681
- I do, though!
- No, you don't!

987
00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,281
- You don't get that! I do! I do!
- It's okay.

988
00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:33,650
- We're your friends. You don't.
- I do!

989
00:37:33,652 --> 00:37:35,285
None of us think we're perfect!
You do,

990
00:37:35,287 --> 00:37:36,554
and you can't break out of it.
- I don't think I'm perfect,

991
00:37:36,556 --> 00:37:39,356
and I'm so sick of people
saying that to me.

992
00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:40,691
- I am so sick of it.
- Can I offer you

993
00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:42,258
a piece of advice
that would help?

994
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,261
Please offer me all the advice.

995
00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:48,032
Just, in these moments,
just stop talking.

996
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,633
I know for you, you need to
process it and talk through it.

997
00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:53,703
But in a moment when your friend
is devastated,

998
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:56,639
just be quiet.

999
00:37:56,641 --> 00:37:59,576
Well, there's a lot
of back and forth.

1000
00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:01,512
- Yeah.
- I just wanna go

1001
00:38:01,514 --> 00:38:04,048
to the bigger issue,
which is where the two of you

1002
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:07,383
see things right now
and where you go from here.

1003
00:38:07,385 --> 00:38:10,454
I'm genuinely sorry. I regret
saying those words. I want--

1004
00:38:10,456 --> 00:38:13,723
I hope you're hearing me
and open to hearing me.

1005
00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:16,926
I regret saying it.
It was a moment of rage.

1006
00:38:16,928 --> 00:38:19,996
We've all--maybe not
to my extreme--had them,

1007
00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:24,534
and I am very, very sorry,
and I hope that we can

1008
00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:26,503
work on repairing
our friendship.

1009
00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,406
Meredith?

1010
00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:32,675
I saw this less
than 48 hours ago.

1011
00:38:32,677 --> 00:38:34,878
As you like to say,
I am processing.

1012
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,813
- Mm-hmm.
- I don't know where I stand.

1013
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,082
I hate to throw
a 10-year friendship

1014
00:38:38,084 --> 00:38:40,950
out the window. I'm devastated.

1015
00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:43,486
I know. I'm sure you are,
and I'm--and I caused that.

1016
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,688
-I caused that devastation
-I cannot fathom someone

1017
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:47,824
speaking about me that way ever.
- I-I caused that devastation,

1018
00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,826
and I take full responsibility
of it.

1019
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,361
And I have to start question if
you did it intentionally miked.

1020
00:38:52,363 --> 00:38:54,030
- No. I was--
- Then why'd you take

1021
00:38:54,032 --> 00:38:55,833
your mic off and throw it
at the audio guy?

1022
00:38:55,835 --> 00:38:58,502
- Well, I realized it was on.
- That's so--That's bullsh--.

1023
00:38:58,504 --> 00:39:00,837
I call bullsh-- on that one.

1024
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:04,841
I realized that I was in a rage
packing my stuff to go home.

1025
00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:06,009
Jennie came in the room,
and you continued to say

1026
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:07,844
horrible things,
and I came in the room,

1027
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,846
and you continued to say
horrible things.

1028
00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:15,184
All right. Before we move on,
I wanna ask... one more question.

1029
00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:17,921
What did you mean at the finale

1030
00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:21,524
when you said that you will
expose who everyone slept with?

1031
00:39:21,526 --> 00:39:23,193
I'll talk about who
<i>everybody</i> dated

1032
00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:26,130
that<i> nobody</i> knows about!

1033
00:39:26,132 --> 00:39:29,199
- All right, stop.
- Seth and I dated other people.

1034
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,235
- Yeah, all right.
- Wow.

1035
00:39:31,237 --> 00:39:33,737
They knew who they are.
They know what they've done.

1036
00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:35,739
Maybe I--Maybe I know. Maybe I--
Maybe I know this

1037
00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:37,807
about this one
and that about that one.

1038
00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:39,610
But it hurt my feelings that
all season you would say--

1039
00:39:39,612 --> 00:39:42,011
But I'm just--I'm tired of it.
Stop talking about me.

1040
00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:42,946
Stop attacking me.

1041
00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:45,681
Stop weaponizing
my father's death against me.

1042
00:39:45,683 --> 00:39:47,216
- Stop making up rumors...
- Okay.

1043
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:49,886
that I turned Jen in
to the FBI. Leave me alone.

1044
00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:52,622
It's basically you're--
You're threatening everyone,

1045
00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:54,223
is what you're doing.

1046
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:55,425
- Um...
- Yes.

1047
00:39:55,427 --> 00:39:56,425
- I mean...
- That's how I see it.

1048
00:39:56,427 --> 00:39:57,693
- Yep.
- I'm just stating...

1049
00:39:57,695 --> 00:39:59,762
that I have information...
- Yep.

1050
00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:02,098
and that I can use it
if I choose or not.

1051
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:03,833
- Okay, well, that's a threat.
- That is a threat.

1052
00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:05,835
- Yeah.
- All right. Pretty much.

1053
00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:09,372
I wanna bring up something
that it's been floating around,

1054
00:40:09,374 --> 00:40:15,044
and there was some kind of
a rumor that Meredith and Jen

1055
00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:19,515
were seeing the same... guy
at some point.

1056
00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:22,518
Like I said earlier,
I haven't dated anyone

1057
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,254
other than my husband
for well over two years.

1058
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,056
I can't speak for Jen.
She can speak for herself.

1059
00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:28,726
- I have no clue.
- Yeah, that's not true.

1060
00:40:28,728 --> 00:40:30,426
Whitney, have you heard rumors

1061
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:32,129
about the other ladies
in this group?

1062
00:40:32,131 --> 00:40:33,796
Heather, have you heard rumors
about the other ladies

1063
00:40:33,798 --> 00:40:34,931
in this group?
- Of course.

1064
00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:36,734
- Jen, have you heard--Thank you.
- I would like to know what

1065
00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:37,867
the rumors about me.
- Lisa, have you heard rumors

1066
00:40:37,869 --> 00:40:39,068
about the others?
- Yes, everybody.

1067
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:39,936
Have you heard anything
about me, Whitney?

1068
00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:41,737
- Thank you. It is true.
- I'm done.

1069
00:40:41,739 --> 00:40:42,605
Have you heard anything about m
dating any of the--No.

1070
00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:43,873
But it doesn't mean
they're true.

1071
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,008
- You have a sister wife.
- [laughs]

1072
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:46,609
And it doesn't make 'em true,
either.

1073
00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:48,144
- No.
- Like, somebody DM'd me

1074
00:40:48,146 --> 00:40:51,247
something crazy about, like--
- Me?

1075
00:40:51,249 --> 00:40:52,748
- No. I would know.
- [laughs] Yeah, Andy,

1076
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:54,884
I've heard stuff about you, too.
- No.

1077
00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:56,819
[laughter]

1078
00:40:56,821 --> 00:40:57,954
- This is ammunition.
- People say things all the time.

1079
00:40:57,956 --> 00:40:59,556
Like, I called her,
joking with her...

1080
00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:00,957
You know, and that's why--
That's why I feel like--

1081
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:01,824
and I'm like, "Oh, I heard
you hooked up with Meredith

1082
00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:03,394
in a steakhouse."
Like, there's a joke.

1083
00:41:03,396 --> 00:41:04,827
Like, I was, like, laughing
about it.

1084
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:08,231
I'm like, that's, like, crazy.
Like, nobody would believe that.

1085
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:10,833
But there's stuff people say
all the time.

1086
00:41:10,835 --> 00:41:13,302
- No, there's tons of stuff.
- All right, well...

1087
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:14,571
- [laughs] Let's move on, Andy.
- And some has more evidence

1088
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:16,839
attached to it than others.
- [laughs]

1089
00:41:16,841 --> 00:41:18,841
Well,
we're gonna leave it there.

1090
00:41:18,843 --> 00:41:20,410
We're gonna take a break,

1091
00:41:20,412 --> 00:41:22,979
and we're gonna be right back
after this.

1092
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:23,747
[machine beeps]

1093
00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:26,115
Do we get a real break now
or no?

1094
00:41:26,117 --> 00:41:27,917
Can we talk or no?

1095
00:41:27,919 --> 00:41:30,186
I don't think we can talk
off-camera right now

1096
00:41:30,188 --> 00:41:31,721
in the middle of this.

1097
00:41:31,723 --> 00:41:33,122
I'm gonna go to the restroom
really quick.

1098
00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:34,590
We're--We're resetting
for the husbands.

1099
00:41:34,592 --> 00:41:37,461
I wanna go to the restroom also.

1100
00:41:43,535 --> 00:41:44,668
No...

1101
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,572
Thank you.

1102
00:41:54,212 --> 00:41:56,814
I did not ever mean to hurt you.
I understand that hurting you

1103
00:41:56,816 --> 00:41:58,748
hurts Seth, Reid, Chloe,
and Brooks.

1104
00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:01,017
You spoke poorly
of my whole family.

1105
00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:02,820
And--And...

1106
00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:08,725
What would I say
about your renovation?

1107
00:42:10,963 --> 00:42:12,830
I didn't talk about your house,
Lisa.

1108
00:42:12,832 --> 00:42:14,230
That's what I was told,
and I was--

1109
00:42:14,232 --> 00:42:15,832
- Okay, so it was--Okay.
- It was only about that.

1110
00:42:15,834 --> 00:42:18,901
So your ugly house issue,
rip my character to shreds.

1111
00:42:18,903 --> 00:42:20,102
- Okay. Wonderful.
- No. No, it wasn't--Oh, yeah.

1112
00:42:20,104 --> 00:42:23,038
♪♪♪

1113
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,508
Next week,
it's the dramatic conclusion

1114
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,877
of "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

1115
00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:29,545
- Love you guys.
- I love you back, bro.

1116
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:31,981
Seth, Lisa screaming
that Meredith

1117
00:42:31,983 --> 00:42:34,383
had sex with half of New York,
questioning why you don't

1118
00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:38,254
own a house--what was
your reaction to that rant?

1119
00:42:38,256 --> 00:42:43,793
Sharrieff, have you two had
crises of infidelity

1120
00:42:43,795 --> 00:42:46,996
in your marriage?
- Hmm.

1121
00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:51,268
Stuart's changed his plea.
He pled guilty,

1122
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:55,806
which people regard as being
very bad for the case.

1123
00:42:55,808 --> 00:42:58,609
What was your reaction to that?

1124
00:42:58,611 --> 00:43:00,009
♪♪♪

1125
00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:02,078
Any claim against you
is on the docket.

1126
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,479
Bitch, don't talk to me
about a ----ing docket.

1127
00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:05,214
- I know what it is.
- Okay, bitch. Okay, bitch.

1128
00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:07,416
I can yell just as loud as you.
I can poke just as far as you.

1129
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:08,886
- I see what you're doing here.
- Oh, what? What am I doing?

1130
00:43:08,888 --> 00:43:10,687
I see what you're doing here.
Turning the narrative.

1131
00:43:10,689 --> 00:43:13,155
Do any of you think
she's guilty?

1132
00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:19,563
♪♪♪