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<i>ANDY: Coming up--a 3-part</i>

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<i>"Real Housewives</i> <i>
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.</i>

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I heard you hooked up
with Meredith in the steakhouse.

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[laughter]

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Meredith, did you wear
a chest plate at one point

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during your confessionals?
- [laughter]

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Why is Mary not here?

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You're threatening everyone
is what you're doing.

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Um...

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- That's how I see it.
- Yep.

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What it feels like
on my end is, like,

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"Hey, Jen, we can treat you
like sh--,"

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'cause you need all the friends
you can get right now.

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Well, you sh-- on me,
and I still showed up for you.

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Did you ever question
where the money came from?

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You called us inbred
polygamist cousins, Lisa.

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- I did not!
- Do you think she's a whore?

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- Do you think she's--
- No, I do not.

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I was sick!

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I can yell just as loud
as you.

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I can poke just as far as you.

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I just feel like everybody here

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wants to break me
all the time. [cries]

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<i>"The Real Housewives</i> <i>
of Salt Lake City" Reunion</i>

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<i>starts now.</i>

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♪

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- Good morning.
- Good morning.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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Our friendship group
is in crisis.

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Well, it's like game day.

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I have to watch the other team play.

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That's what I feel like I'm
doing right now. [chuckles]

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Yeah.

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[laughs]

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- Right.
- [laughs]

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♪

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- Jen Shah.
- [gasps]

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- Here she is.
- I mean, I'm here.

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- I got some inches, like...
- Yes, you do.

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- Yes, you do.
- [laughs]

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- I'm glad you're here.
- I am, too.

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And we have a lot to talk about.

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- Yes.
- And I want you to hear from <i>me</i>

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that we did not give Erika
any questions in advance

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of the Beverly Hills reunion,
okay?

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Okay.

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- There was a rumor out there.
- Yeah, yeah.

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So I just want you
to hear that from me.

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- Thank you. Okay.
- And I don't want you to think

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that you got the short end
of the stick...

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- Right, right.
- ...or anything.

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How you feeling about today?

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- Good. It's gonna be a lot.
- Yeah.

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I mean, I got pushed to a point
where I was like, "I'm done."

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Got a lot of stuff
going on here I gotta address.

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Well, you do. You do.

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I mean, you just saw
the last few episodes.

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I...saw the last one
last night.

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Well, that had to be
fairly eye-opening...

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- Ah.
- ...seeing Lisa

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behind the closed door.

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Revolting?

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♪

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- Andy, stand by.
- Oh, my God. I love that color.

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- Wow. [laughs]
- [laughs]

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- Oh, my God. That's...
- She brought the bling!

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- What is that? A fish...
- It's water.

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- Shut up.
- Ice fishing.

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[singsongy]
Jennie. Hi, baby girl.

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Like, isn't that so pretty?

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- [gasps]
- Hi.

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[indistinct conversations]

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- [laughter]
- Hi, Whitney.

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Hello!

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And everyone got the memo.
This is real water.

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- Don't storm off the stage.
- This is the most insane set.

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- Wait, there's seven of us.
- Yeah, is there--

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Where's Mary going?

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Mary and Meredith--right there.
[laughs]

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- Is Mary going on the poof?
- Let's guess. Let's guess.

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Oh, that's our ice fishing.

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- Hey.
- Oh.

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- You look beautiful.
- Hi, guys.

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- Where's Mary?
- Why is Mary not here?

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Quiet on the set, please.

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Yes?

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It's a massive audio issue.
Jen, they're like...

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I mean, this is what made
the outfit, but it's fine.

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- [laughter]
- Yeah, you look plain now.

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Rolling in 5...4...

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3...2...

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Welcome to "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City"

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season two Reunion.

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I am Andy Cohen,
joined by the women,

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whose sophomore season
just about set

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the snowcapped mountains
of Salt Lake on fire.

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- Hi, ladies.
- Hi, Andy.

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- Hey.
- Hello.

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Great to see you.
We have transformed our set

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into the beautiful ice castles
in Utah,

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where after months of feuding,

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Jen and Heather
finally made peace,

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so I'm hoping that we can mend
some other rifts

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that transpired this season.

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- Hi, baby gorgeous.
- Hey, Andy.

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Aren't you glad we're not
in the Sprinter van?

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I'm so glad we're not
in the Sprinter van.

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- I bet.
- Just be ready, Andy,

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in the middle of us.
- Yes.

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- Everyone stay on your couches.
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Jen, you're looking understated.

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Some might have expected you
to show up kind of piously

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in white today, but no.
- No.

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[laughter]

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- Hi, Meredith.
- Hello.

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Did you take a nice, long soak
in a bubble bath today?

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Well, I didn't because you guys

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put us in a hotel
without a bathtub.

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Oh, no. [laughs]

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- It's a kind of a no-no for me.
- Okay. Oh, my God.

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We have to look at
Meredith's rider next time.

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Jennie,
welcome to your first reunion.

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Thank you very much.

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How are you feeing
about being here?

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Very excited.
I'm just glad to be here.

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Good. Uh, Whitney, I'm glad
you could take a break

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from driving carpool to be here.

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[laughs]

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The nanny is at home
with the kids.

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- You look great.
- Thank you, Andy.

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- Hi, Heather.
- Hi.

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- How are you?
- I'm feeling good.

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Good. Did you finally get
a real Louis Vuitton bag?

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I finally bought
my first real Louis Vuitton.

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- Does it feel different?
- It feels exactly the same

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as all the fakes I've been
carrying all these years.

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- [laughter]
- Well, it should be apparent

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to all of you that Mary chose
not to join us tonight.

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Disappointing, to say the least.

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Why didn't Mary come?

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Um, I spoke to her
the other day.

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She was...pretty upset
about everyone speaking

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behind her back
about her church,

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and I encouraged her to come
and defend her church,

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and she was very upset that
you called her a predator

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and was stunned by that
and kept bringing that up.

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So what do you think about that?

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- I wish she was here.
- Yeah.

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Because I tried to have
conversations with her

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throughout the season, and she
would not afford me the respect

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of a conversation.
- Right.

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- First of all, you're not 100%.
- Just come talk to me.

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Like, right now.
I can smell it on your breath.

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Mary, I am--

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And now we still don't
get to talk about it.

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I wish she was here, too.

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Mary said so many insightful
things in confessional,

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and I gained respect for Mary
watching the episodes.

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- Mm.
- Like kind of--

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she has this kind of, like,
weird ability

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to read everybody
like the Bible, and so--

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I don't think they're
accurate reads, though.

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Oh, I think they're right
on the money.

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Like what?
What did she get right?

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Like Lisa doesn't know
how to be real.

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Oh, my God. [laughs]

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I think that was
the truest thing I'd ever heard.

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I know that's why you loved it.
You're so textbook. It's okay.

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No, I heard her. She said
things about me, Lisa.

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- Yeah.
- She said things about Jen.

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I know how to be real.
I am real.

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- She said things about Whitney.
- But she called Whitney a whore.

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- She called her a whore.
- She called you a whore?

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- In Zion, yeah.
- Isn't that contradicting

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what you're saying?
She gets it right or she's...

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The thing about Mary--

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I understand
what Heather's saying.

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- I don't.
- And when Mary is, like,

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she does have moments
of great wisdom and insight.

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- Moments.
- Absolutely.

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- Moments.
- I think she would have.

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- I'm sorry she's not here.
- She's really not showing up?

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And I feel like she should've
showed up for Meredith.

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- She's really not showing up.
- 'Cause Meredith

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was her ride or die
all season long,

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and, like, after everything
that went down,

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Meredith could use
as many people

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supporting her as possible,

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and Mary's not here to do that,
and that makes me mad.

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What's your reaction to that?

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I have mixed feelings about it,
because I'm not so sure

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that the show
is very healthy for Mary.

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But you know, I-I like
having her support. So...

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Well, we have a lot to discuss,
and I wanna start with you, Jen,

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because I haven't seen you
in person...

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- Right.
- ...since the last reunion.

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Obviously, so much has happened.

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You're facing
Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud

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with a maximum of 30 years
in prison,

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and Conspiracy to Commit
Money Laundering

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with an additional 20 years.

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How are you doing?

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Honestly, this is...devastating
for me personally,

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and more so for my family.

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I think that's why it was
so hard for me especially,

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you know, seeing the Vail trip.

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I saw it real time
with the rest of the world,

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and it broke my heart.

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I'm glad I didn't see all
the things that were said

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until I watched it because
if I would have known that,

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we would have turned that
bus over on the way to Zion.

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- Hey!
- Push me

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one more ----ing time!
- No, no, no, no, no.

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Come on, come on, come on!
You wanna go?

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- You almost did.
- Yeah, but...

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- Yeah, we definitely would've.
- [laughter]

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Um, after the arrest, did you
consider quitting the show?

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We did have a discussion--
me and Coach and the boys.

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And I was like, no.
I'm innocent, and I felt like

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I need to tell my story.

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How do your lawyers feel
about you being here today?

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- Oh, they were ecstatic.
- [laughter]

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No, I mean,
they weren't thrilled about it,

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but because I felt like
it was important

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for me to be here with the rest
of the group of friends,

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and...show up.

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When is the trial?

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It's scheduled for March 22nd
right now.

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- So I mean that's...
- Yeah.

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- ...really soon.
- Will you be in New York?

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Yeah, I'll be in New York
for the trial.

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Will you be wearing this outfit
for your first day?

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- I...You know...
- [laughter]

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I think that's a very bad idea.

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No, I don't think it's
a very good idea.

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- The lawyers put this together.
- [laughter]

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All right, well,
we have more to discuss

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about everything you're facing

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and everything
that you've been through,

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but I wanna start
with something

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00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,199
a little lighter for the group.
- [laughs]

243
00:09:51,242 --> 00:09:54,419
Jen began this season
on a small apology tour.

244
00:09:54,463 --> 00:09:57,553
Why are you throwing out little
dumb digs behind my back?

245
00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:01,078
I am sorry.
Meredith, I'm sorry.

246
00:10:01,122 --> 00:10:05,909
I would never want you to feel
I somehow outed you,

247
00:10:05,953 --> 00:10:08,085
and I'm sorry.
- Thank you.

248
00:10:08,129 --> 00:10:12,133
Meredith, I am sorry for hurting
you and your family.

249
00:10:13,308 --> 00:10:14,396
I'm sorry.

250
00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:15,919
Jen, do you feel like
you apologize

251
00:10:15,963 --> 00:10:19,270
more than the other women?
- Absolutely.

252
00:10:19,314 --> 00:10:21,272
Margaret from Lake Geneva said,
"Heather, you felt like

253
00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:25,015
Jen's apology was genuine enough
to move on,

254
00:10:25,059 --> 00:10:27,278
but I wouldn't be able
to move forward with Jen

255
00:10:27,322 --> 00:10:30,891
after being called Shrek
or Honey Boo Boo. How can you?"

256
00:10:30,934 --> 00:10:34,634
Because it was a bad joke
that she said behind my back

257
00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:39,421
to a random person, and I would
rather deal with someone

258
00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:42,424
that makes really bad jokes
on low-hanging fruit

259
00:10:42,467 --> 00:10:45,906
that I enjoy and like,
and I can get over it.

260
00:10:45,949 --> 00:10:49,649
I got over it,
and I think she's deeply sorry

261
00:10:49,692 --> 00:10:51,563
that she said those things.
Are you?

262
00:10:51,607 --> 00:10:53,174
Absolutely, and you know I--

263
00:10:53,217 --> 00:10:55,132
Do you think I look like
Honey Boo Boo? [laughs]

264
00:10:55,176 --> 00:10:56,568
- No. And...
- [chuckles]

265
00:10:56,612 --> 00:11:00,137
Shrek is because you were
acting like an ogre to me.

266
00:11:00,181 --> 00:11:01,530
- I was Donkey.
- Because--

267
00:11:01,573 --> 00:11:02,879
She was Donkey. I was Shrek.

268
00:11:02,923 --> 00:11:04,664
Wait, wait, wait.
Who else called her Shrek?

269
00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:05,882
Nobody remembered
she was Donkey.

270
00:11:05,926 --> 00:11:07,318
Who else was talking
all kinds of stuff?

271
00:11:07,362 --> 00:11:09,799
There's a bunch of other stuff
going on,

272
00:11:09,843 --> 00:11:11,192
but I always get called out
for it.

273
00:11:11,235 --> 00:11:12,497
You're looking at Lisa.
Did you call her Shrek?

274
00:11:12,541 --> 00:11:13,847
I never called--
I never called Heather Shrek.

275
00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:15,587
Oh, you've called me
horrible things, Lisa.

276
00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:17,720
- I have never called you Shrek.
- You called me a LEGO figurine.

277
00:11:17,764 --> 00:11:19,069
You've called me
horrible things.

278
00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:20,505
- Oh, I did not. Oh, I did not.
- You said--Yeah.

279
00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:22,986
- You know you have.
- I did not. I did not.

280
00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:24,814
Well, Lisa, you've called
friends on this couch

281
00:11:24,858 --> 00:11:26,294
that you've known for 10 years

282
00:11:26,337 --> 00:11:29,514
a ----ing piece of sh--
garbage whore,

283
00:11:29,558 --> 00:11:31,734
and I think I would rather be
called Shrek every day than be

284
00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,823
called the horrible things...
- Tell everyone all the things

285
00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:35,303
you call me
and the lies you tell about me.

286
00:11:35,346 --> 00:11:37,435
...you said about your friend
of 10 years.

287
00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:43,398
♪

288
00:11:46,575 --> 00:11:49,447
♪

289
00:11:49,491 --> 00:11:51,580
I would rather be called Shrek
every day than be called

290
00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:53,321
the horrible things...
- Tell everyone all the things

291
00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:54,844
you call me
and the lies you tell about me.

292
00:11:54,888 --> 00:11:56,672
...you said about your friend
of 10 years.

293
00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:58,108
That was in a rage in my room,
and we'll address that.

294
00:11:58,152 --> 00:11:59,631
You know what? I think
that's how you really feel,

295
00:11:59,675 --> 00:12:01,242
'cause it was so ugly.
- No, it's not.

296
00:12:01,285 --> 00:12:02,765
That doesn't come out in a rage.
But you can keep saying that

297
00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:04,419
- That is not--
- That is the Lisa Barlow that

298
00:12:04,462 --> 00:12:05,855
I've known from day one.
I'm glad you've finally

299
00:12:05,899 --> 00:12:07,552
revealed yourself.
- From day one since 2017.

300
00:12:07,596 --> 00:12:09,250
I said you're gonna reveal
yourself, and you finally did.

301
00:12:09,293 --> 00:12:11,252
- Okay, you've revealed yourself.
- The curtains were pulled back.

302
00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:12,557
Okay,
and you've revealed yourself.

303
00:12:12,601 --> 00:12:13,820
And that's who you are,
and it's very ugly.

304
00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:15,386
I knew that this was
gonna happen.

305
00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:16,823
- I had one moment--
- You did? Because you called

306
00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:17,954
your friend of 10 years...
- Wait. I'm still talking.

307
00:12:17,998 --> 00:12:19,216
...a ----ing piece of sh--
garbage whore.

308
00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:21,001
I'll stop talking until I can--

309
00:12:21,044 --> 00:12:22,698
And that's the smallest
of the things you've said,

310
00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:24,961
but I'm gonna, like,
preserve everyone's dignity

311
00:12:25,005 --> 00:12:26,528
and let you face that,
and I'm not gonna bring it up.

312
00:12:26,571 --> 00:12:28,182
Did you call her
a LEGO figurine?

313
00:12:28,225 --> 00:12:29,531
I never did.

314
00:12:29,574 --> 00:12:31,054
I got sent a picture
from their best friend

315
00:12:31,098 --> 00:12:33,709
that had her and said,
"This looks like Heather."

316
00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,015
- I never said that.
- We saw the text.

317
00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:36,538
That's how we know that
that's what you said.

318
00:12:36,581 --> 00:12:38,714
I haven't said that.
I haven't said that,

319
00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,585
and I'll show you all of 'em.
- We've seen 'em.

320
00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:41,848
- I can show you all of 'em.
- We've seen 'em.

321
00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:43,327
- I can print it.
- Angie showed us everything,

322
00:12:43,371 --> 00:12:44,807
and it--it's exactly the way
you spoke of Meredith--

323
00:12:44,851 --> 00:12:46,243
Did she show you her husband
calling you trash

324
00:12:46,287 --> 00:12:47,679
and you trash and everything?
Okay.

325
00:12:47,723 --> 00:12:48,985
We've talked about all of it.

326
00:12:49,029 --> 00:12:50,508
We just spent a week in Cabo
with her husband.

327
00:12:50,552 --> 00:12:52,075
Do you know what I think
is fascinating? Listen. Listen.

328
00:12:52,119 --> 00:12:53,468
Because they are
authentic people,

329
00:12:53,511 --> 00:12:54,991
and they only felt
that way about us

330
00:12:55,035 --> 00:12:56,427
because of the horrible things
you said, and now that

331
00:12:56,471 --> 00:12:57,733
we're all friends...
- I've never talked to them

332
00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:58,952
about you guys.
- ...and we know how you

333
00:12:58,995 --> 00:13:00,736
really feel about everyone
on this stage...

334
00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:02,042
I have never talked to them
about you guys. I did not.

335
00:13:02,085 --> 00:13:03,434
- ...you've been revealed, Lisa.
- I did not.

336
00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:04,566
So own it. Own it,
or we cannot move forward.

337
00:13:04,609 --> 00:13:05,915
I will own what I didn't say
100%.

338
00:13:05,959 --> 00:13:08,744
- Is a LEGO figurine bad?
- She just meant because

339
00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,833
my body is, like, too square.
- It's body shaming.

340
00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:12,313
Body and fat shaming--
it's a big thing for her.

341
00:13:12,356 --> 00:13:13,705
No, I don't fat shame you
or body shame you.

342
00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:15,838
I think you look great, Heather.

343
00:13:15,882 --> 00:13:18,232
Okay, I wanna get back
to Jen's apology tour.

344
00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:19,886
Meredith,
after the apology to Brooks,

345
00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:22,018
you seemed okay with Jen.

346
00:13:22,062 --> 00:13:24,891
What made you pull away
from her again?

347
00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:28,546
First of all, what I would like
to accomplish today with Jen

348
00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:31,071
is a peaceful space.

349
00:13:31,114 --> 00:13:33,769
I've been trying to get to that
peaceful space for a while.

350
00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:38,861
Right. And for starters,
I'd like to apologize to you

351
00:13:38,905 --> 00:13:41,081
for hurting you
and/or your family

352
00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:42,865
for anything that I said.

353
00:13:42,909 --> 00:13:44,693
Thank you.

354
00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:46,042
Oh.

355
00:13:46,086 --> 00:13:47,348
I... [sighs]

356
00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:53,006
[sniffles] Sorry.

357
00:13:53,049 --> 00:13:54,703
Sorry. I-I just need
a moment, Andy.

358
00:13:54,746 --> 00:13:56,836
I'm a little verklempt.
[sniffles]

359
00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:57,924
Yeah.

360
00:13:57,967 --> 00:14:00,100
[crying]

361
00:14:00,143 --> 00:14:02,842
- What are you feeling right now?
- [exhales deeply] Sorry.

362
00:14:02,885 --> 00:14:04,931
There's a lot more stuff
that went on

363
00:14:04,974 --> 00:14:07,281
that goes well beyond you, Jen,
that I-I--

364
00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:10,588
I don't even know how I can
approach talking to you

365
00:14:10,632 --> 00:14:12,460
until I deal
with some other stuff.

366
00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:14,810
- Okay. Is it about Brooks?
- [sighs]

367
00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:18,205
There was a lot going on
last winter

368
00:14:18,248 --> 00:14:20,642
that I could not talk about.

369
00:14:20,685 --> 00:14:22,774
I had told Lisa that I had
some very serious issues

370
00:14:22,818 --> 00:14:25,038
well beyond
just losing my father,

371
00:14:25,081 --> 00:14:28,084
which was incredibly painful.

372
00:14:28,128 --> 00:14:29,781
The last time I saw my father

373
00:14:29,825 --> 00:14:32,523
was through a glass door
on a FaceTime

374
00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:34,874
because of COVID.

375
00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:39,661
[sobbing]

376
00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:42,794
We had some very serious issues
going on in my family.

377
00:14:42,838 --> 00:14:45,362
[sniffles]
I couldn't get him buried.

378
00:14:45,406 --> 00:14:47,147
I couldn't get any peace.

379
00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:51,934
I was fighting incessantly
with my sister.

380
00:14:51,978 --> 00:14:54,502
I have a nephew
with mental health issues.

381
00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,243
[sniffles]
It wasn't my story to tell.

382
00:14:56,286 --> 00:14:58,549
I couldn't talk about it,

383
00:14:58,593 --> 00:15:02,118
and I was in a state
of immense, immense pain.

384
00:15:02,162 --> 00:15:03,728
[sniffles]

385
00:15:03,772 --> 00:15:05,861
My fears, my reactions,

386
00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:10,953
everything was amplified
a million times over.

387
00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:15,001
I think every one of you,
anyone watching

388
00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:20,093
my behavior change
from season one to season two,

389
00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:23,879
I was insane by the end,
completely insane,

390
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,188
because I was
emotionally devastated.

391
00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:30,538
I-I totally understand,
and, Meredith, honestly,

392
00:15:30,581 --> 00:15:33,889
when I saw you,
I saw myself a year ago

393
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:38,981
with exactly how I responded
and reacted,

394
00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:40,896
because I was grieving,
and I didn't know,

395
00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:45,727
and I couldn't get better until
I went through all of that.

396
00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:48,295
Meredith, I'm curious,
as you watch the show back,

397
00:15:48,338 --> 00:15:50,732
how did you feel about the way
that Jen treated you?

398
00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:52,777
How did she treat you
this season?

399
00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:56,825
Seeing how everything unfolded
and the information

400
00:15:56,868 --> 00:16:00,698
that was given to Jen,
or I should say misinformation,

401
00:16:00,742 --> 00:16:04,920
she was actually...pretty kind
at the end of the day.

402
00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:07,618
Thank you for saying that.
With your marriage last year

403
00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:09,229
and then with your dad
and everything,

404
00:16:09,272 --> 00:16:12,797
I would kind of hold--hold back
because I...

405
00:16:12,841 --> 00:16:15,148
I know what it is
to be going through a lot,

406
00:16:15,191 --> 00:16:17,977
and you're not being
your normal true self.

407
00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:20,283
You're reacting,
like you said, amplified.

408
00:16:20,327 --> 00:16:22,764
Do you think ultimately
she wound up treating you better

409
00:16:22,807 --> 00:16:24,287
this season than your friend?

410
00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:26,898
- Yes.
- Oh.

411
00:16:26,942 --> 00:16:29,031
I feel like in a weird way,
we're rewriting history, too.

412
00:16:29,075 --> 00:16:31,991
Like, I'm happy that you guys
are in a good place right now

413
00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:33,731
and you're talking,
but what's really weird to me

414
00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:37,779
is for the last year,
this has not been working.

415
00:16:37,822 --> 00:16:39,085
This has been disjointed, horrible.

416
00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:40,695
And you've been
in the middle of it.

417
00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:41,783
Wait, wait, wait, why is this
being pointed out right now?

418
00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,176
And I've been
in the middle of it.

419
00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:44,525
And I've been in the middle
of it, and so to me,

420
00:16:44,568 --> 00:16:45,961
it just seems like
all of a sudden,

421
00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,268
we're, like, kumbaya.
"I understand you. I--"

422
00:16:48,311 --> 00:16:49,486
But I thought that's what
you wanted, though, right?

423
00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:51,053
No, I do,
but I know what I said,

424
00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:52,968
and I know it was horrible.
- Yeah.

425
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,970
I know it was wrong.
What happened if we erased that?

426
00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,145
Like, what is everyone
gonna say?

427
00:16:56,189 --> 00:16:57,973
"Oh, your character's so bad.
Oh, this."

428
00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:00,019
I know my character
in that moment was horrible

429
00:17:00,062 --> 00:17:01,933
because I said this. With this--
- You can erase that, Lisa.

430
00:17:01,977 --> 00:17:03,283
- But wait, listen. It was--
- But what she just said

431
00:17:03,326 --> 00:17:05,024
about needing a friend--
- What I did was horrible.

432
00:17:05,067 --> 00:17:07,287
No, no, no, with what she said
about needing a friend...

433
00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:09,506
- I was there for her, though.
- What changed?

434
00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,421
I have to be perfect
all the time, or it's...

435
00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:14,120
I'm held to, like,
a different bar.

436
00:17:14,163 --> 00:17:18,211
♪

437
00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,171
♪

438
00:17:22,215 --> 00:17:23,912
And we are back

439
00:17:23,955 --> 00:17:27,089
with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

440
00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:28,873
Okay, I wanna switch gears
for a minute.

441
00:17:28,917 --> 00:17:31,267
Jennie, tell me what it means

442
00:17:31,311 --> 00:17:35,358
to be an immigrant woman
of color in Salt Lake City.

443
00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:38,709
It's very difficult because
growing up in Long Beach,

444
00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:40,189
there's a lot of diversity,

445
00:17:40,233 --> 00:17:43,453
and being an immigrant,
I have a very heavy accent,

446
00:17:43,497 --> 00:17:45,107
and people don't respect that
because, like,

447
00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:49,155
"You live in America. You need
to learn how to communicate."

448
00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:52,027
- I can communicate fine, okay?
- Clearly.

449
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,376
- Yes.
- Just because I have an accent

450
00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:55,291
doesn't mean I don't know how
to communicate.

451
00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:56,771
Lisa is a long-time friend
of Jennie's.

452
00:17:56,814 --> 00:18:00,166
What made you think
she'd be a fit in this group?

453
00:18:00,209 --> 00:18:02,429
Since we met
when our boys were little,

454
00:18:02,472 --> 00:18:03,734
I just thought
she was so fun and funny,

455
00:18:03,778 --> 00:18:06,911
and I loved when our families
got together.

456
00:18:06,955 --> 00:18:10,480
I mean, Duy adjusted Henry
at 2 weeks old. He's like,

457
00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:12,482
"This is good for babies."
He gave him a little adjustment.

458
00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:14,267
You sent your 2-year-old
for an adjustment?

459
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,138
- Or 2-month-old.
- 2 months old.

460
00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:17,531
- 2-month-old?
- Yeah.

461
00:18:17,574 --> 00:18:18,575
- For an adjustment?
- Yeah, he got an adjustment.

462
00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:19,750
- Wow.
- Yeah.

463
00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:21,143
Meredith, what did you
think when Jennie

464
00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:24,190
tried to get you and Jen
to make up at ice fishing?

465
00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:25,930
Jen, do you wanna be friends
with her or not?

466
00:18:25,974 --> 00:18:27,149
Just tell me now. Do you wanna
be friends with her?

467
00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:28,324
Yes, Jennie.

468
00:18:28,368 --> 00:18:29,978
Do you wanna be friends
with her?

469
00:18:30,021 --> 00:18:31,849
Then you guys shut the [bleep]
up and listen to each other.

470
00:18:31,893 --> 00:18:33,155
Was she overstepping?

471
00:18:33,199 --> 00:18:35,157
Uh, it felt a little bit
that way.

472
00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:36,506
Jennie hadn't been there before,

473
00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:39,683
and she didn't fully understand
the situation,

474
00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:43,687
and she was, you know, very, um...uh...

475
00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:45,733
- She had a lot to say, yeah.
- Right.

476
00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:48,779
Jen, as--as someone who is
known for losing her temper,

477
00:18:48,823 --> 00:18:51,391
did Jennie come in too hot?

478
00:18:51,434 --> 00:18:54,394
I appreciate
Jennie's...demeanor. [laughs]

479
00:18:54,437 --> 00:18:57,701
But that time, I was--I think
I said something to Jennie,

480
00:18:57,745 --> 00:18:59,616
like, "You don't know
what's going on"

481
00:18:59,660 --> 00:19:01,705
or "You weren't here
when it happened."

482
00:19:01,749 --> 00:19:03,359
- Yeah, she did.
- Heather and Whitney,

483
00:19:03,403 --> 00:19:06,754
you accused Lisa of pulling
the puppet strings this season.

484
00:19:06,797 --> 00:19:08,495
Do you think
Lisa manipulated Jennie

485
00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:10,888
into fighting
some of her battles?

486
00:19:10,932 --> 00:19:12,760
- Yeah, 100%.
- You do?

487
00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:17,156
I don't--No. I'm not her minion,
and when you guys said that

488
00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:20,159
at the "After Show,"
I was taken aback.

489
00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:23,727
I love Jennie, but I think
she's very, very loyal to Lisa,

490
00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:27,514
and Lisa likes her minions
to do her dirty work.

491
00:19:27,557 --> 00:19:32,736
I'm her friend, and she
will not control what I do.

492
00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:34,173
So when you guys said that,
I don't appreciate that.

493
00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:36,349
And I don't try to, either.
I would never try to.

494
00:19:36,392 --> 00:19:38,133
In fact, I was very careful

495
00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,569
bringing Jennie
into this friend group,

496
00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,615
and I said,
"You've seen the show.

497
00:19:41,658 --> 00:19:45,184
You've seen our dynamic.
Make your own judgments

498
00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:47,142
and have
your own relationships."

499
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,275
- So you had watched the show?
- Yes, I had watched the show.

500
00:19:49,318 --> 00:19:52,756
But I would like to know
what make you think that Lisa

501
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,369
has the power to tell me what
I should and should not do

502
00:19:56,412 --> 00:19:57,326
and do her dirty work?
- I never said Lisa has the power

503
00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:58,762
to--to control you at all.

504
00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,069
I said I think Jennie's
in a tough position

505
00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:03,811
'cause she is Lisa's friend,
and Lisa has expectations

506
00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:05,769
of her friends
that are very controlling.

507
00:20:05,813 --> 00:20:07,118
You're narrating me.
Don't do that.

508
00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:08,250
But you said
that I was her minion.

509
00:20:08,294 --> 00:20:09,425
You're narrating me.
Don't do that.

510
00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:11,035
- I'm not her minion.
- Don't narrate me.

511
00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:13,951
I was worried that you were
going to be motivated to do what

512
00:20:13,995 --> 00:20:15,257
she was manipulating you to do.

513
00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:16,606
What am I trying to make her do?

514
00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:17,999
What is--What do I need her
to do?

515
00:20:18,042 --> 00:20:19,566
- Jennie, do you not feel--
- When you need her,

516
00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:20,958
you're there for her,
and when you don't need her...

517
00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:22,177
- Yeah.
- ...you dismiss her.

518
00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:23,918
And I think that
Jennie probably felt that,

519
00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:26,050
but will never say it 'cause
she's a loyal, good friend.

520
00:20:26,094 --> 00:20:27,356
- Um--
- You know what you do?

521
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,270
I wanna--I wanna say something
real quick here.

522
00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:29,489
- Okay.
- You know what you do?

523
00:20:29,532 --> 00:20:30,533
You talked to "Bad Weather"
right now?

524
00:20:30,577 --> 00:20:32,231
Yeah, I'm talking
to "Bad Weather."

525
00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:33,928
You like to say that,
"Oh, that's..."

526
00:20:33,971 --> 00:20:35,451
- Talking to me or "Bad Weather"?
- You say this to us or Heather?

527
00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:37,061
- Both. Everybody here.
- That's--Okay, great. Bring it.

528
00:20:37,105 --> 00:20:40,282
I don't want to nor do I control
anyone through manipulation

529
00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:42,980
or any other tactics.
I have no tactics.

530
00:20:43,024 --> 00:20:45,679
You guys use the word "minions"
so that if anyone stands up

531
00:20:45,722 --> 00:20:47,463
for me, they are the bad guy,
and I don't like that.

532
00:20:47,507 --> 00:20:50,292
I'm not saying that
for an advantage.

533
00:20:50,336 --> 00:20:51,902
I'm saying that because
I like Jennie a lot.

534
00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,513
I know you don't like me,
so we should disparage me.

535
00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:55,166
I think she's a strong, smart,
powerful--

536
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:56,820
- I like you, too, Lisa.
- I want--I wanna hear from--

537
00:20:56,864 --> 00:20:58,213
I apologize
if I called you a minion.

538
00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,388
I wanna hear from Meredith
on this.

539
00:20:59,432 --> 00:21:00,868
I apologize that
we called you a minion.

540
00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,478
- Meredith, what do you think?
- Thank you very much.

541
00:21:02,522 --> 00:21:03,392
It's not the words. I feel like
it's a horrible situation.

542
00:21:03,436 --> 00:21:04,915
- I mean...
- Let's hear from Meredith.

543
00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:07,483
I do think there is some level
of control that goes on

544
00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:13,054
more over Lisa's own life
than the other person.

545
00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,317
It's not--it's more of what
you shouldn't be doing

546
00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:17,493
to respect her space.

547
00:21:17,537 --> 00:21:19,103
I wanna talk
about something serious.

548
00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:24,370
This season Mary made a lot
of racially insensitive remarks.

549
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:28,852
Fans were all outraged.
We were all outraged.

550
00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:32,682
The words were ignorant,
intolerant, and hurtful.

551
00:21:32,726 --> 00:21:35,685
To Lisa, about Jen in Vail,
she said...

552
00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:37,252
[voice breaking]
When I think about Jen,

553
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,560
I see a heartless...
I see a thug.

554
00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:44,346
You know those Mexican people
that make all those drugs?

555
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:47,349
Jennie, she talked
about your yellow tone.

556
00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:49,351
She talked about slanted eyes.

557
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,745
You look amazing as a blonde.
So does she.

558
00:21:51,788 --> 00:21:55,183
You do have yellow tones.
I like the slanted eyes.

559
00:21:55,226 --> 00:21:56,358
Ah! Love it.

560
00:21:56,402 --> 00:21:58,708
She imitated your accent.

561
00:21:58,752 --> 00:22:00,275
Jennie comes--
starts coming at me.

562
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,537
[imitating Asian accent]
"Mary is lying.

563
00:22:01,581 --> 00:22:03,800
She said a lot of things
about you. We think--"

564
00:22:03,844 --> 00:22:06,847
- [normal voice] Okay, sorry.
- No characters, please.

565
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:09,023
I can't imagine...

566
00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:10,416
- It's hurtful.
- Yeah.

567
00:22:10,459 --> 00:22:11,678
Because she's a minority.
I'm a minority.

568
00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,897
We're supposed to support
each other.

569
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,117
Have you experienced
that type of racism before?

570
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,250
Yes. I grew up with this
every day.

571
00:22:19,294 --> 00:22:20,948
Especially now
with a lot of Asian hate,

572
00:22:20,991 --> 00:22:24,343
every time I go,
I'm afraid for my life,

573
00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,083
because people will stalk me.

574
00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,650
People will be like,
"Oh, you're the virus.

575
00:22:27,694 --> 00:22:29,173
You're this. You're that."

576
00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:33,090
I have kids that are dealing
with this right now.

577
00:22:33,134 --> 00:22:35,571
And for me, it's like,
if one day they watch the show

578
00:22:35,615 --> 00:22:39,706
and seeing their mom
being attacked,

579
00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:41,838
how are they gonna live
their life?

580
00:22:41,882 --> 00:22:46,016
Meredith, when Mary imitated
Jennie's Asian accent at lunch,

581
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:47,757
it seemed like you were
giving her a pass.

582
00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:51,326
What's your response to that
and what Jennie just said?

583
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,590
No, when--I assume when you
say defended her with Jennie,

584
00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,941
you're talking about in Zion
at the Cinco de Mayo? Is--

585
00:22:57,985 --> 00:23:00,640
No, at the luncheon,
when she made fun of my accent,

586
00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:02,816
you both sat there and laughed.

587
00:23:02,859 --> 00:23:04,252
I did not laugh.
It was a grimace.

588
00:23:04,295 --> 00:23:06,602
I was horrified
and uncomfortable.

589
00:23:06,646 --> 00:23:08,691
I said, "No characters"
because I was

590
00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:12,347
trying to give a reminder to her
that it was not okay.

591
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,436
But then I felt that
at Whitney's event--

592
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,569
But then it was during
the confrontation, uh,

593
00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:19,963
at Whitney's party,

594
00:23:20,007 --> 00:23:23,880
you were asked about
Mary's "slanted eyes" comment,

595
00:23:23,924 --> 00:23:25,404
then stayed silent.

596
00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:27,014
Did anyone else know
that's offensive?

597
00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:28,276
Really?

598
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,453
I didn't know.
Is that offensive?

599
00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:33,629
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know that.

600
00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:36,458
- Why?
- So my understanding

601
00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:39,983
going into that moment was when
you're dealing with a comment

602
00:23:40,027 --> 00:23:44,597
that is prejudicial,
you are supposed to really look

603
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,123
to the party affected by it
to get a cue.

604
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:51,691
And if I could do it again,
I would have just said yes.

605
00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:53,997
The reason I didn't say yes
is because before I was asked,

606
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:58,698
"Is it offensive?" Jennie
responded to the same question,

607
00:23:58,741 --> 00:24:00,961
"Is it offensive?"
Mary had asked you,

608
00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,832
and you said,
"Well, it's inappropriate."

609
00:24:02,876 --> 00:24:05,748
And I got very nervous that
I was not being respectful

610
00:24:05,792 --> 00:24:07,228
of your own views,
and that's why--

611
00:24:07,271 --> 00:24:09,970
I did say it was very offensive.
I said it was racist,

612
00:24:10,013 --> 00:24:13,190
very offensive,
very inappropriate.

613
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,365
You guys all heard it.

614
00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:15,497
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

615
00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:17,412
To me,
it's a very discriminatory,

616
00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,415
racist kind of joke.

617
00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,504
It doesn't seem like there was
any question about whether

618
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:25,681
what she said was wrong.
I mean...

619
00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:26,943
- A-Agreed.
- You can't say "slanted."

620
00:24:26,987 --> 00:24:29,511
- I mean, it's...
- Yeah, it's horrible.

621
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:32,035
- It's terrible.
- Horrific.

622
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,517
Heather, you said that Jennie
looked like an anime character.

623
00:24:35,561 --> 00:24:38,433
You gotta see this.

624
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,609
You look like
an anime character.

625
00:24:40,653 --> 00:24:41,741
- Like, you look gorgeous.
- She does.

626
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:43,612
Yeah. You look surreal.

627
00:24:43,656 --> 00:24:46,876
It was not because you're Asian,
which I realize,

628
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,488
and it's terrible
that it came out that way,

629
00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,402
but you were wearing
a vinyl corset.

630
00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:55,363
You looked like a cartoon,
you know, drawn physical...

631
00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:56,886
She looked gorgeous.

632
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:58,409
...you know,
physically beautiful,

633
00:24:58,453 --> 00:25:00,673
ridiculously overdesigned
anime character,

634
00:25:00,716 --> 00:25:03,327
like you looked like a cartoon,
and it was beautiful.

635
00:25:03,371 --> 00:25:04,633
No, that's the thing I have
is that I love the compliment.

636
00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:05,982
And I didn't mean it
to be Asian.

637
00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:07,897
I just don't like
the labeling...

638
00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:09,638
I know. I shouldn't have
said that, and I'm sorry.

639
00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:11,466
...of me as a minority,
a woman of color.

640
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:12,902
- It wasn't okay, and I'm sorry.
- I'm curious, do you have any--

641
00:25:12,946 --> 00:25:17,428
As the season--As you saw
the season back, Meredith,

642
00:25:17,472 --> 00:25:21,302
do you have any regrets
about going so hard for Mary

643
00:25:21,345 --> 00:25:23,478
or not speaking up more?

644
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,872
I definitely regret that moment
for sure.

645
00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:29,092
Um, and I did text Jennie
a couple days later

646
00:25:29,136 --> 00:25:30,137
to make sure she knew

647
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:31,573
that I felt horribly

648
00:25:31,617 --> 00:25:32,879
that she had gone through that

649
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:34,489
and that she had my support.

650
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:38,058
But I don't think I went
quite so hard in support

651
00:25:38,101 --> 00:25:41,061
as the interpretation
of it is.

652
00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:43,106
You're always there for Mary.
You always defend her.

653
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:46,022
Even if I say something to Mary,
and I was like,

654
00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:47,415
"Mary, I'm trying to open up
to you.

655
00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:49,939
I'm trying to talk to you"
when we went to Zion,

656
00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:51,941
and we had that spa thing,
and she's like,

657
00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:54,770
"I'm not comfortable with that.
I don't even know you.

658
00:25:54,814 --> 00:25:55,902
And you're just like,
"Oh, okay."

659
00:25:55,945 --> 00:25:57,773
You should have been there
and said,

660
00:25:57,817 --> 00:25:59,209
"Mary, she's trying to open up
to you.

661
00:25:59,253 --> 00:26:00,950
She's trying to be nice to you."
Why can't you give--

662
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,691
I'm not her keeper, Jennie.
She's an adult woman.

663
00:26:02,735 --> 00:26:04,998
But you are her friend.
You are her friend.

664
00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:06,477
She is an adult woman.
If she wants to walk away,

665
00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:08,262
she should walk away.
- Just because she's your friend,

666
00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,959
you don't turn a blind eye
and say, "Oh, you can be rude

667
00:26:10,003 --> 00:26:12,266
to Jennie. You can be rude to--"
- I feel like I stood up for you

668
00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:14,398
every time she said something,
I stood up for you

669
00:26:14,442 --> 00:26:15,965
every time she came after you.
- Exactly, but I don't feel it

670
00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:17,880
from you at all, Meredith. Every
time when it comes to Mary--

671
00:26:17,924 --> 00:26:20,056
Well, Jennie, that's because
I felt under attack by you

672
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,536
the entire season.

673
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:26,149
♪

674
00:26:29,457 --> 00:26:32,286
- "You can be rude to--"
- I feel like I stood up for you

675
00:26:32,329 --> 00:26:34,636
every time she said something,
I stood up for you

676
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,985
every time she came after you.
- Exactly, you did,

677
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,508
but I don't feel it
from you at all, Meredith.

678
00:26:37,552 --> 00:26:39,075
Every time when
it comes to Mary--

679
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,642
Well, Jennie,
maybe that's because

680
00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:42,165
I felt under attack by you
the entire season. You went--

681
00:26:42,209 --> 00:26:43,645
How did I attack you?

682
00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:45,647
Because you wouldn't--you had
made all these judgments

683
00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,562
and never once asked me
a question.

684
00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,042
What judgment did I make?
Point out one.

685
00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:50,565
Well, let's start out
with on the way to ice fishing

686
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:51,827
in the car with Lisa.
- Okay.

687
00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:55,048
"I've known Meredith
for a little while now."

688
00:26:55,091 --> 00:26:56,353
- Excuse me.
- Your definition of

689
00:26:56,397 --> 00:26:57,398
"a little while"
and my definition...

690
00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:59,356
Don't cut me off, please, Jennie.

691
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,054
...of a "little while" is
two different definitions.

692
00:27:01,097 --> 00:27:02,185
- You want me to speak or not?
- Okay, let her--let her finish.

693
00:27:02,229 --> 00:27:03,752
"I've known Meredith
for a little while,

694
00:27:03,796 --> 00:27:06,146
and she tends to ice people out
when there's conflict."

695
00:27:06,189 --> 00:27:08,931
- I met you one week before.
- Mm-hmm.

696
00:27:08,975 --> 00:27:12,152
I don't know that meeting you
one week before at a party

697
00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:14,328
is quite enough time
to make a judgment

698
00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:16,417
on how I handle conflict.

699
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:18,506
- Let's start there.
- Okay.

700
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:23,337
Okay? You also decided to take
and misinterpret

701
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:27,689
a lot of things I said
and create a lot of problems

702
00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:29,822
between me and Jen
where I thought we were

703
00:27:29,865 --> 00:27:31,519
in a peaceful spot momentarily.

704
00:27:31,562 --> 00:27:35,349
You ----ing told me she hired
a private investigator

705
00:27:35,392 --> 00:27:37,525
to investigate me!
That's what you said!

706
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:39,135
I never hired
a private investigator

707
00:27:39,179 --> 00:27:42,573
to investigate you.
I hired an investigator

708
00:27:42,617 --> 00:27:44,750
to investigate why my family
was receiving threats.

709
00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:46,708
You made this
into something it wasn't.

710
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:49,711
You never asked me. You--
I saw you with your husband.

711
00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,147
"Well, why wouldn't she
call the police?"

712
00:27:51,191 --> 00:27:53,541
If you get text messages,

713
00:27:53,584 --> 00:27:57,023
do you go hire
a private investigator,

714
00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:58,720
or you go file a report?

715
00:27:58,764 --> 00:28:01,462
Who hire a private investigator
to search this?

716
00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:03,029
Why didn't you ask me
if I called the police?

717
00:28:03,072 --> 00:28:06,728
I have a police report, Jennie.
I did call the police.

718
00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:10,471
There was no benefit
of the doubt for me whatsoever.

719
00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:14,301
It was just...you made
your choices, and you went on.

720
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,477
- Are you done?
- You didn't ask me.

721
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,914
- Are you done?
- What else can we go to?

722
00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:21,221
Um...let's see.

723
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:24,180
You are so offended
by Mary's gift because

724
00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:26,443
you thought it was used.

725
00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:28,663
Do you understand that
it's insulting to give someone

726
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:29,838
a used item?

727
00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:33,059
But they're not used.
They're brand-new.

728
00:28:33,102 --> 00:28:34,582
It wasn't meant for me, Mary.

729
00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:37,585
Yet my husband received
used golf balls

730
00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:40,109
as a birthday present from you.

731
00:28:40,153 --> 00:28:42,242
Did you give her husband
used golf balls?

732
00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:43,417
- What?
- What?

733
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:45,767
- I gave you used golf balls?
- Yes.

734
00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:48,552
I'll donate them
to the Clubhouse if you'd like.

735
00:28:48,596 --> 00:28:51,555
I don't know that
they're iconic enough.

736
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,688
I have no idea.
My husband picked it out.

737
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,473
Okay. Danny from Iowa City said,
"Lisa, did it surprise <i>you</i>

738
00:28:56,517 --> 00:29:00,216
to see Meredith so tolerant
of Mary's ignorance?"

739
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:04,351
That's a great question. Let me
think how I wanna answer this.

740
00:29:04,394 --> 00:29:06,396
- It's yes or no.
- Um...

741
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,529
- [chuckles]
- I was shocked

742
00:29:08,572 --> 00:29:12,315
that Meredith wasn't more vocal,
but I do know that

743
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,103
Meredith does not like
unacceptable behaviors,

744
00:29:17,146 --> 00:29:19,496
so I was shocked
that she wasn't as vocal

745
00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:21,498
as I normally would expect
Meredith to be.

746
00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:22,804
Jennie--

747
00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:24,763
Can I speak to that
for one second?

748
00:29:24,806 --> 00:29:27,548
- Yes.
- You know, there's a lot that--

749
00:29:27,591 --> 00:29:29,637
Every relationship has
a different dynamic,

750
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,814
and Mary and I
have a lot of moments

751
00:29:32,858 --> 00:29:34,816
where we speak one-on-one.

752
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,297
Mary knows exactly
where I stand.

753
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:38,689
I guess what good is it
if you don't call her out

754
00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:40,735
in front of the other women
or on camera?

755
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:44,826
Because then here we are having
a misrepresentation of you.

756
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:48,438
Well, there's plenty on camera.
There's plenty on camera.

757
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,615
Jennie, Akilah from L.A. said,

758
00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:53,530
"We all agree that Mary was
wrong for mocking your accent.

759
00:29:53,574 --> 00:29:57,012
When are you gonna address,
take accountability,

760
00:29:57,056 --> 00:29:58,927
and apologize for the fact

761
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:01,887
that <i>you</i> constantly used
a Blaccent?

762
00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,498
You roll your neck
and you wag your finger

763
00:30:04,541 --> 00:30:07,936
and other stereotypical
depictions of Black women

764
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,243
when you talk to or about Mary."

765
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:11,722
Okay, can we stop
and have some fun?

766
00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:13,115
Shut the [bleep] up
and let's go!

767
00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:15,944
- Don't ever use that word again.
- This is how I talk.

768
00:30:15,988 --> 00:30:17,946
If you don't like it,
you don't have to listen.

769
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:19,339
Oh, wow.

770
00:30:19,382 --> 00:30:20,993
She is full of sh--.
No, Mary.

771
00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:22,342
- So do you believe that, right?
- Unh-unh, I sat next to you.

772
00:30:22,385 --> 00:30:24,518
- What?
- You talk about her...

773
00:30:24,561 --> 00:30:25,867
- I sure did
- ...as much as we did.

774
00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:27,390
Don't lie, Mary. Don't lie.

775
00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:29,871
No, you ----ing shut up!
Don't tell me to shut up, okay?

776
00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:33,353
I asked you about it on
"Watch What Happens Live."

777
00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:35,050
- Yeah.
- And it just kept coming up.

778
00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:36,486
- Mm-hmm.
- So I mean...

779
00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:38,880
I don't see
I have a Black accent.

780
00:30:38,924 --> 00:30:40,316
Okay.

781
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,710
I grew up
in Long Beach, California.

782
00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:45,713
It shaped who I am.
That's where I get my accent.

783
00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:47,367
And I don't understand
why people look at me and say

784
00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:49,412
when I talk to Mary,
I have a Black accent.

785
00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:51,327
I don't see that.
Do you guys see that?

786
00:30:51,371 --> 00:30:53,721
Do you guys see
I have a Black accent?

787
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:57,116
I have an accent.
Whatever comes out, comes out.

788
00:30:57,159 --> 00:30:59,901
Jennie, you threw a glass
at Mary.

789
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:01,729
Run away, Mary!
Run the [bleep] away

790
00:31:01,772 --> 00:31:05,515
because you don't have nothing...

791
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,866
Is that a little bit
hypocritical to reprimand Mary

792
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:09,824
for being violent
with her words

793
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,958
when you were violent
with your actions?

794
00:31:13,001 --> 00:31:14,437
I didn't throw it at Mary.
I threw it on the floor.

795
00:31:14,481 --> 00:31:15,743
- Okay.
- It didn't hit Mary.

796
00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:16,962
If I wanna hit Mary,
I would've hit Mary.

797
00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:18,441
Okay. Let me ask you this.

798
00:31:18,485 --> 00:31:20,139
- Do you like Mary?
- No.

799
00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:21,749
- Okay.
- [laughs]

800
00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:23,707
The reason why I don't like
her--because she didn't like me.

801
00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:25,405
- Okay.
- I have a comment right here.

802
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:27,059
- Okay.
- So when we were all together

803
00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:30,366
when we went tubing, I think
you just went in really hot,

804
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:33,195
and Mary, I feel like,
was, like, whoa.

805
00:31:33,239 --> 00:31:34,980
Like, you came in too strong.
That's what I'm saying.

806
00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:36,372
But it wasn't toward Mary.

807
00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:38,461
I said, "Shut the [bleep] up
and have some fun."

808
00:31:38,505 --> 00:31:39,898
- And then she told--
- I know, but if you're a guest

809
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,943
at somewhere and you're like,
"Shut the [bleep] up

810
00:31:41,987 --> 00:31:43,989
and have some fun," and you're
like, "Who the hell's this?"

811
00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,425
But I apologized to her
when I did her makeup.

812
00:31:45,468 --> 00:31:46,948
- Hey, it doesn't matter.
- I apologized.

813
00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:48,297
- It doesn't matter.
- She won't let it go.

814
00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:50,560
It's Mary M. Cosby. Once...

815
00:31:50,604 --> 00:31:53,346
And then it didn't stop there.
She keep--continue.

816
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:54,564
It didn't stop there,
and there's a part of me

817
00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,958
that thinks that there's
something in Mary

818
00:31:57,002 --> 00:31:59,439
that is racist
because it didn't stop there,

819
00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,876
and it seemed to always
come up.

820
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,922
I did speak to her, uh,
last week,

821
00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:07,229
and she told me
that she didn't think that

822
00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:09,797
Black people were capable
of being racist.

823
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,801
They are. Everyone is capable
of being racist.

824
00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:17,805
♪

825
00:32:17,848 --> 00:32:20,677
Uh, we need to take a break.
We'll be right back.

826
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:26,945
Well, to be fair,
all Housewives stir the pot

827
00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:30,078
from time to time,
but this season, it seemed

828
00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:33,603
that one or two women
were putting some extra muscle

829
00:32:33,647 --> 00:32:35,954
into mixing up the mess.

830
00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:37,956
Watch this.

831
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,958
I wanna have some fun,
get everyone together.

832
00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:41,350
We're gonna gamble for charity.

833
00:32:41,394 --> 00:32:43,744
- Oh, I love that.
- Whitney's gonna be there.

834
00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:44,614
Do you and Whitney
have an issue?

835
00:32:44,658 --> 00:32:47,139
I don't have an issue.

836
00:32:47,182 --> 00:32:49,010
With the party,
there's been a hiccup.

837
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:53,101
We've been asked to host
events at the restaurant

838
00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:55,060
by Lisa's assistant.

839
00:32:55,103 --> 00:32:58,063
- "We can't do your event."
- Lisa's sabotaging you.

840
00:32:58,106 --> 00:33:01,805
I see [bleep] getting gifts
from our friend group

841
00:33:01,849 --> 00:33:03,329
on social media.

842
00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:05,896
Lisa, why would you ask
if her feelings were hurt?

843
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:08,116
- Oh, my gosh.
- You're planting a seed

844
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,248
from the beginning.
- No, I'm not. I wasn't.

845
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:10,727
The reason you planted a bug

846
00:33:10,771 --> 00:33:12,120
in Jen's ear against me
and invited me and not her--

847
00:33:12,164 --> 00:33:13,730
I didn't plant a bug in her ear.

848
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:15,254
Don't accuse me
of doing something I didn't do.

849
00:33:15,297 --> 00:33:16,472
- All right.
- [whispers] Wow.

850
00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:17,865
By a show of hands,

851
00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:21,521
who thinks Lisa is
the pot stirrer in the group?

852
00:33:23,914 --> 00:33:27,483
I'm, like, right here.

853
00:33:27,527 --> 00:33:29,050
- And I think there's...
- Don't raise your hand, Jennie.

854
00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:30,225
...more than one.

855
00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:31,879
You think there's more than one?

856
00:33:31,922 --> 00:33:34,316
One's on that couch, and then
one's on this couch. [laughs]

857
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,189
I think that--I think that
Lisa does a brilliant job

858
00:33:37,232 --> 00:33:39,843
of stirring the pot,
and I always take the baton.

859
00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:42,890
Why do you think Lisa?
You raised your hand for Lisa.

860
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,152
I'll be real honest.

861
00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:46,328
I feel like I was played
a fool.

862
00:33:46,372 --> 00:33:48,026
- Played a fool.
- So do I.

863
00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:49,462
- So do you?
- So do I.

864
00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:53,553
- Who played you for a fool?
- We'll talk about it.

865
00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:56,904
Jill from Marlboro, New Jersey,
said, "Lisa, how do you explain

866
00:33:56,947 --> 00:33:59,428
the timeline
of the catering debacle?

867
00:33:59,472 --> 00:34:01,474
They were committed
to Angie's party.

868
00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:03,911
Your assistant called.
Then they pulled out.

869
00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:05,608
Did you or did you not

870
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:07,349
have your assistant
call the caterer?"

871
00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:09,134
I got a call
from the caterers,

872
00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:12,050
and they were like,
"Lisa's assistant called,

873
00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,313
and we--we can't do it anymore.

874
00:34:14,356 --> 00:34:16,532
We have to pull out
of your event."

875
00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:19,361
No, I did not, because
I don't have an assistant

876
00:34:19,405 --> 00:34:21,537
that would call
Angie's caterers.

877
00:34:21,581 --> 00:34:23,757
- Okay, you have seven lawyers.
- My people work for Vida.

878
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,890
- I do have that.
- [laughter]

879
00:34:26,934 --> 00:34:29,067
- Okay.
- So let's talk about timeline.

880
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,069
- Okay. Oh, boy.
- They're all right here.

881
00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:32,983
- Okay.
- I have all the receipts.

882
00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:34,376
I wanna hear Lisa
defend herself.

883
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:36,161
- Yeah, okay.
- Lisa--Yeah, I would love to.

884
00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:38,685
Because I also saw the texts
on Angie's phone.

885
00:34:38,728 --> 00:34:40,208
And Angie's the only person
that has stood up to you

886
00:34:40,252 --> 00:34:43,255
and not con-conspired with you
before--

887
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:44,821
- Hold on. This is a message--
- That's not the first person

888
00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,258
that was real and authentic
and absolutely close to you.

889
00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:49,174
This is a text from Angie.
She says, "Would you guys

890
00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:52,394
be interested in catering
an event? It'll be on TV.

891
00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:54,875
It's a secret," and they said,
"Of course. We'd love to.

892
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,878
Heads up. Lisa reached out to us
to come to the restaurant

893
00:34:57,921 --> 00:34:59,662
to shoot as well."

894
00:34:59,706 --> 00:35:02,796
They said, "I'm not sure
we can do multiple shoots,

895
00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:04,928
but I think so."
- Yep.

896
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:07,844
And then they say,
"Don't tell Lisa."

897
00:35:07,888 --> 00:35:10,238
- Yeah, that was weird.
- That was Angie said...

898
00:35:10,282 --> 00:35:11,587
- Yeah.
- ..."Don't tell Lisa."

899
00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:12,936
Yeah.

900
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:15,765
Okay. So why did she not
want to tell?

901
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:18,116
- I don't know.
- I have an answer for that.

902
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:19,378
- Okay.
- I do, too.

903
00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,510
Angie asked them
not to tell Lisa

904
00:35:21,554 --> 00:35:23,947
because production asked her--
they didn't want her to know

905
00:35:23,991 --> 00:35:25,253
that Angie was getting
the first event.

906
00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:26,907
- Okay.
- And that right there is true.

907
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:29,431
'Cause that would have sent her
to a tailspin, which it did.

908
00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:30,606
No, no, no, no, no. It did not
send me in a tailspin,

909
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:31,955
because none of us
were getting along.

910
00:35:31,999 --> 00:35:33,653
- It was the right move.
- None of that's true.

911
00:35:33,696 --> 00:35:39,267
What would have been her motive
in sabotaging this for Angie?

912
00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:41,008
Angie and I connect.
that's motive.

913
00:35:41,051 --> 00:35:42,357
- Okay.
- No, that's not.

914
00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:44,751
There's no motive.
I don't do things like that.

915
00:35:44,794 --> 00:35:45,926
I would never do that.

916
00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:47,449
Lisa asked Angie
to not be my friend.

917
00:35:47,493 --> 00:35:49,582
Don't follow me on social media.
Don't acknowledge her.

918
00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:51,149
We've seen the receipts.

919
00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,281
She doesn't--She doesn't
like that we're friends.

920
00:35:53,325 --> 00:35:56,545
No. She asked me to not
acknowledge you as my cousin.

921
00:35:56,589 --> 00:35:58,068
♪

922
00:35:58,112 --> 00:35:59,722
Do you know what I said?
You're twisting it.

923
00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:01,420
- I said, "Don't claim her."
- But I'm not twisting it. I'm--

924
00:36:01,463 --> 00:36:02,943
Because she said, "I just found
out from watching the show..."

925
00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:04,031
- Those are... Those are...
- "...that Whitney is my cousin."

926
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:05,641
You also called us--

927
00:36:05,685 --> 00:36:07,208
you called us inbred
polygamist cousins, Lisa.

928
00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:08,340
And I'm a snarky bitch
and I said, "Don't claim her."

929
00:36:08,383 --> 00:36:09,471
Because they don't go
to the same--

930
00:36:09,515 --> 00:36:10,733
Clearly, you think that
us being--

931
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:13,301
Did you call them
inbred polygamist cousins?

932
00:36:13,345 --> 00:36:15,738
I do not buy Angie and Whitney
being close now

933
00:36:15,782 --> 00:36:17,914
because they're like these
inbred polygamy cousins.

934
00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:21,004
- It's, like, weird.
- I did.

935
00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:23,833
Yeah, so okay, so then why are
you defending yourself now?

936
00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:26,923
So why would she try to sabotage
her friend of 20 years?

937
00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,317
Because Angie knows all
of her deepest, darkest secrets,

938
00:36:29,361 --> 00:36:30,840
to protect herself.
- Um, insane.

939
00:36:30,884 --> 00:36:33,365
Lisa, I have a question for you.
May I ask you a question?

940
00:36:33,408 --> 00:36:35,323
That on casino night,

941
00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:38,239
when you ran into this problem
with Angie,

942
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:40,328
do you feel that I had
your back enough for you?

943
00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:42,809
I do feel like you had my back.
I do.

944
00:36:42,852 --> 00:36:45,203
When you take a step back,
can you at least see that

945
00:36:45,246 --> 00:36:47,509
the timeline and cadence
of all of the events...

946
00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:48,945
- No.
- ...look--You can't?

947
00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:50,251
No, I cannot because I did not--
100% did not do it.

948
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:51,339
And you cannot take accountability

949
00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:52,645
for being territorial
and controlling?

950
00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,255
We're never gonna agree
on it, Lisa.

951
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:55,474
- 'Cause you're wrong.
- They were buried

952
00:36:55,517 --> 00:36:56,605
in a text message, Andy,
and they said--

953
00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:57,824
And Jennie's evidence of it, honestly.

954
00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,304
- They explained it all.
- Evidence of what?

955
00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:00,609
They think--They're thinking
me and Angie are friends.

956
00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:01,523
- You'll see. Just wait.
- They explained it.

957
00:37:01,567 --> 00:37:02,959
They volunteer and all queue up.

958
00:37:03,003 --> 00:37:04,352
We all have been through it,
Jennie. It's horrible.

959
00:37:04,396 --> 00:37:06,789
Yes. Heather, you and Lisa
developed a close relationship

960
00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,791
towards the end of the season.
- Yeah.

961
00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:11,707
But you know, you've also become
good friends with Angie.

962
00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:14,536
They just celebrated Angie's
birthday--her 40th--in Cabo.

963
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:16,669
How does that make you feel
that they're all just--

964
00:37:16,712 --> 00:37:17,800
I'm happy that
they're all friends.

965
00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:19,324
- Oh, okay.
- It was a phenomenal trip.

966
00:37:19,367 --> 00:37:21,630
We were on a yacht
that Chris actually paid for

967
00:37:21,674 --> 00:37:24,242
and didn't just front pictures
on like you like to do.

968
00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:25,373
I pay for my stuff.
Are you kidding?

969
00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:26,983
We went to Cabo.
Everything was paid for.

970
00:37:27,027 --> 00:37:29,334
I pay for my stuff. Are you
insulting John Barlow right now?

971
00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:30,900
It's the life
that you pretend to have

972
00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:34,252
that Angie actually has,
and we enjoyed the spoils of it.

973
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:35,688
Oh, my gosh. She is so horrible.

974
00:37:35,731 --> 00:37:37,080
- Okay. Meredith--
- You know what?

975
00:37:37,124 --> 00:37:38,604
I have dirt on you, Lisa,
and I hold it all back,

976
00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:40,736
but I won't hold it back any
longer if you wanna go there.

977
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,260
What about your DUI?
You're such--

978
00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:43,957
- You have great character.
- You wanna go there?

979
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,958
- I don't have one. Look it up.
- Yes, you do. I did look it up.

980
00:37:45,001 --> 00:37:46,307
- It's a lie.
- All right, okay.

981
00:37:46,351 --> 00:37:47,613
Yeah, you do. You're a liar.
This is so insane.

982
00:37:47,656 --> 00:37:49,310
- It's not insane, Lisa.
- It's not. We posed.

983
00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:50,659
We know you,
and we love you as you are.

984
00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:52,182
- Oh, my gosh.
- And we want you

985
00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:53,836
to have all of that
for yourself.

986
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,316
- I do have it for myself.
- You don't have to fake it

987
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,752
until you get there.
- I don't fake anything.

988
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,537
- Lisa, you do. It's okay.
- Honestly, I-I fake a lot.

989
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,713
- If you can just pivot...
- Do you want my K-1s?

990
00:38:00,756 --> 00:38:02,149
- ...we will support you.
- You love her as she is?

991
00:38:02,192 --> 00:38:05,413
I liked her more when I saw
her true self show up

992
00:38:05,457 --> 00:38:06,762
than I've ever liked her.
- She doesn't know me.

993
00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:08,590
Because I don't wanna be friends
with a caricature

994
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,463
of some, you know, teen magazine
she read in eighth grade

995
00:38:11,506 --> 00:38:13,116
that said,
"How to Be a Cool Mean Girl."

996
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:19,166
♪

997
00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:23,997
You love her as she is?

998
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,087
I liked her more when I saw
her true self show up...

999
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:28,523
- She doesn't know me.
- ...than I ever liked her.

1000
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,133
- Yeah.
- Because I don't wanna be

1001
00:38:30,177 --> 00:38:32,745
friends with a caricature of
some, you know, teen magazine

1002
00:38:32,788 --> 00:38:34,355
she read in eighth grade
that said,

1003
00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:36,052
"How to Be a Cool Mean Girl."

1004
00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:38,751
Okay. All right, okay,
let's move on.

1005
00:38:38,794 --> 00:38:40,318
Monica from South Dakota said,

1006
00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:41,710
"Jen, why do you think
Lisa mentioned

1007
00:38:41,754 --> 00:38:44,191
your former dress designer
on the show?

1008
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:45,584
Do you think she wanted
to humiliate you,

1009
00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:47,716
or was she worried Whitney
was being a bad friend

1010
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,892
by sending him
free skincare products?"

1011
00:38:49,936 --> 00:38:51,285
- No.
- What I thought that--

1012
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:55,289
in that moment was
that she wanted me to know

1013
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,640
that Whitney is not
a good person.

1014
00:38:58,684 --> 00:39:00,250
This is about my business,
so I want to clear this up.

1015
00:39:00,294 --> 00:39:01,600
This is not about your business.
I wanna just explain this.

1016
00:39:01,643 --> 00:39:03,123
Yeah, you need to--
you need to say.

1017
00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:04,385
- So I'll wait.
- Well, so does she.

1018
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,213
At the time,
he was working for Jen.

1019
00:39:06,256 --> 00:39:09,129
We thought he was
Jen's, like, ride or die.

1020
00:39:09,172 --> 00:39:12,001
That was prior
to the leak of the audio.

1021
00:39:12,045 --> 00:39:14,787
Once it all came out,
I sent them a screenshot

1022
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:16,397
of what was out there,

1023
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:17,746
and I said, "Please do not
respond back to him,"

1024
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,400
and my team never did again.

1025
00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:20,749
My intention is bringing it up
was I was like--

1026
00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:23,665
- Stir the point.
- You're holding me to a standard

1027
00:39:23,709 --> 00:39:25,275
but why is it okay
for them to, you know...

1028
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:26,668
- Explain my horrible behavior.
- That was my intention.

1029
00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:27,930
- It wasn't--
- Right.

1030
00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:29,018
I didn't wanna hurt
or disparage,

1031
00:39:29,062 --> 00:39:31,630
and I was also, like, questioning

1032
00:39:31,673 --> 00:39:34,937
my friendship with Jen because,
like, I was feeling like,

1033
00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:36,156
hey, we talk all the time.
- That's why you did it.

1034
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:37,244
'Cause you were
questioning your control.

1035
00:39:37,287 --> 00:39:38,506
- No. No. And--
- And you wanted to--

1036
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:39,855
- No, it's not about control.
- You wanted to

1037
00:39:39,899 --> 00:39:41,204
put her in her place.
- I wanna know what Jen believes.

1038
00:39:41,248 --> 00:39:42,684
- It's not about control.
- What do you believe?

1039
00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:44,164
Well, I felt like the reason
Lisa told me was, like,

1040
00:39:44,207 --> 00:39:46,645
"Jen, why are you friends
with Whitney?

1041
00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:50,170
She's not your friend.
She's talking to this person,

1042
00:39:50,213 --> 00:39:52,738
and he's an ambassador."
- I was asking you why you--

1043
00:39:52,781 --> 00:39:54,348
I was asking you, like,
the difference,

1044
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,132
like why are you, like, so upset
with me for bringing it up?

1045
00:39:56,176 --> 00:39:57,525
You said, "I think people
need to defend you..."

1046
00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:59,135
Do you think the motive
was to stir the pot, Jen?

1047
00:39:59,179 --> 00:40:00,659
..."and you're not being
defended," and Jen told me that

1048
00:40:00,702 --> 00:40:01,921
she texted you before and said,
"Don't mention his name,

1049
00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:03,444
no matter what."
- No. No.

1050
00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:05,228
- We talked the day before.
- Which is what you always do

1051
00:40:05,272 --> 00:40:07,056
before anyone films with you.
You make sure everyone knows

1052
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,580
what they're supposed to say
or not say.

1053
00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:10,146
You keep, like, saying what you
thought in the moment.

1054
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:11,583
I wonder what you think now.

1055
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:15,674
Um, what I think now
after I saw the Vail episodes?

1056
00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:17,458
I was extremely hurt,

1057
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:20,200
and now I know why
Lisa didn't answer the phone.

1058
00:40:20,243 --> 00:40:21,331
Do you think that her intention
was to create beef between us?

1059
00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:23,029
- Why? What do you mean?
- Absolutely.

1060
00:40:23,072 --> 00:40:25,379
What do you mean?
Jen, what do you mean, now that

1061
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,686
you've seen the episodes
you get why she didn't call you?

1062
00:40:27,729 --> 00:40:29,775
Because you see what she was
saying behind your back

1063
00:40:29,818 --> 00:40:31,167
after you were arrested?

1064
00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:32,691
I didn't think that
Lisa would ever do that.

1065
00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:35,737
I-I defended Lisa adamantly about...

1066
00:40:35,781 --> 00:40:37,043
- Lisa would ever do what?
- To talk to her.

1067
00:40:37,086 --> 00:40:38,697
Say exactums.
I wanna hear exactly.

1068
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:41,351
- Well, there's a whole part of--
- Well, Lisa would be two-faced,

1069
00:40:41,395 --> 00:40:42,918
and, like...
- That isn't two-faced.

1070
00:40:42,962 --> 00:40:44,833
- That is two-faced.
- I was going through a lot.

1071
00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:47,401
- I didn't mean to be.
- So Jack and Henry did

1072
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:48,968
the guest list for your event.
- Yes, they did.

1073
00:40:49,011 --> 00:40:52,928
Right? I wanna know why they
would invite Whitney

1074
00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:55,061
but not invite Jen.

1075
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:56,192
They didn't invite Whitney.
I did.

1076
00:40:56,236 --> 00:40:57,585
- Okay.
- I added Whitney on.

1077
00:40:57,629 --> 00:40:59,021
- You did.
- Last minute.

1078
00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:01,284
I called Whitney and said--
I was thinking, like,

1079
00:41:01,328 --> 00:41:03,504
I'm extending an olive branch,
and then she can see me

1080
00:41:03,548 --> 00:41:07,334
being a mother and who I
really am and who I'm raising,

1081
00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:10,468
because that's my character.
That's who I am.

1082
00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:12,078
- And so--
- I'm raising two amazing kids,

1083
00:41:12,121 --> 00:41:13,427
and I'm a great mother.
- Lisa, Lisa, your character--

1084
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:15,951
- Why not invite Jen?
- Um, I don't want you

1085
00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:17,953
to talk about my character.
- Why not invite Jen?

1086
00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:19,389
- I'm going to.
- At the kids--

1087
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:21,740
At the photo shoot, I had
a lot of emotions, right?

1088
00:41:21,783 --> 00:41:25,221
Because Jen and I got
really hot.

1089
00:41:25,265 --> 00:41:27,572
- Yeah.
- And--And I was sitting there,

1090
00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:29,661
and I'm like, I messed up.
I mentioned somebody's name,

1091
00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:31,924
and I felt horrible for it.

1092
00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:34,274
And then when we left,
Jen called me,

1093
00:41:34,317 --> 00:41:36,276
and we got into it
all over again,

1094
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:37,930
and I actually thought that was
gonna be the last time

1095
00:41:37,973 --> 00:41:39,758
I talked to Jen Shah.

1096
00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:41,281
- Wow.
- And Henry heard it,

1097
00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:43,239
and he was crying,
and he was like,

1098
00:41:43,283 --> 00:41:45,285
"Mommy, you're a great mommy.
You're a great person"

1099
00:41:45,328 --> 00:41:46,939
and hugging me...

1100
00:41:46,982 --> 00:41:49,289
[voice breaking]
because I was very upset.

1101
00:41:49,332 --> 00:41:50,682
- And I love Jen Shah.
- At 2 a.m. in the morning,

1102
00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:52,248
in the car, he was hugging you?

1103
00:41:52,292 --> 00:41:53,598
As controversial as that is,
I do, and I was very upset.

1104
00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:54,990
You don't have to add,

1105
00:41:55,034 --> 00:41:56,296
"As controversial as that is
to love Jen Shah."

1106
00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:57,776
It is controversial.
Get out of it.

1107
00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:59,255
Oh, it is? It's controversial
for me to love you, too.

1108
00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:00,561
- Okay, I know--
- Leave that sh-- out.

1109
00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:02,345
Either love me or don't love me,
but I'm tired

1110
00:42:02,389 --> 00:42:05,305
of all the disclaimers
when it comes to Jen Shah.

1111
00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:06,567
It's bullsh--.

1112
00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:11,050
♪

1113
00:42:11,093 --> 00:42:13,618
<i>Next week,</i> <i>
the Reunion continues.</i>

1114
00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:15,010
♪

1115
00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:18,492
Who here has received
mean texts from Mary?

1116
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,538
- Everyone except you.
- Yeah. I didn't get the text.

1117
00:42:20,581 --> 00:42:22,322
Right, she probably blocked
your number.

1118
00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:24,367
She just said it
to you in person.

1119
00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:27,196
Cameron was on a path
for spiritual healing.

1120
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,590
He told me that he had
a relationship with her.

1121
00:42:29,634 --> 00:42:32,158
He did mortgage his house
to give her money.

1122
00:42:32,201 --> 00:42:34,160
Lisa, you flat-out told me
off camera

1123
00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:35,901
that he did not loan her
$300,000.

1124
00:42:35,944 --> 00:42:37,990
- It was actually more than that.
- I thought it was suspicious.

1125
00:42:38,033 --> 00:42:40,296
- He barely said anything.
- Let me talk, please.

1126
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:41,950
After my father had passed,

1127
00:42:41,994 --> 00:42:47,086
those were the things you had
to say about me after that.