Coming up--a 3-part
"Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion.
I heard you hooked up with Meredith in the steakhouse.
Meredith, did you wear a chest plate at one point
during your confessionals?
Why is Mary not here?
You're threatening everyone is what you're doing.
Um...
- That's how I see it. - Yep.
What it feels like on my end is, like,
"Hey, Jen, we can treat you like sh--,"
'cause you need all the friends you can get right now.
Well, you sh-- on me, and I still showed up for you.
Did you ever question where the money came from?
You called us inbred polygamist cousins, Lisa.
- I did not! - Do you think she's a whore?
- Do you think she's-- - No, I do not.
I was sick!
I can yell just as loud as you.
I can poke just as far as you.
I just feel like everybody here
wants to break me all the time.
"The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion
starts now.
- Good morning. - Good morning.
Thank you.
Hi.
Our friendship group is in crisis.
Well, it's like game day.
I have to watch the other team play.
That's what I feel like I'm doing right now.
Yeah.
Right.
Jen Shah.
- Here she is. - I mean, I'm here.
- I got some inches, like... - Yes, you do.
Yes, you do.
- I'm glad you're here. - I am, too.
And we have a lot to talk about.
- Yes. - And I want you to hear from me
that we did not give Erika any questions in advance
of the Beverly Hills reunion, okay?
Okay.
- There was a rumor out there. - Yeah, yeah.
So I just want you to hear that from me.
- Thank you. Okay. - And I don't want you to think
that you got the short end of the stick...
- Right, right. - ...or anything.
How you feeling about today?
- Good. It's gonna be a lot. - Yeah.
I mean, I got pushed to a point where I was like, "I'm done."
Got a lot of stuff going on here I gotta address.
Well, you do. You do.
I mean, you just saw the last few episodes.
I...saw the last one last night.
Well, that had to be fairly eye-opening...
- Ah. - ...seeing Lisa
behind the closed door.
Revolting?
- Andy, stand by. - Oh, my God. I love that color.
Wow.
- Oh, my God. That's... - She brought the bling!
- What is that? A fish... - It's water.
- Shut up. - Ice fishing.
Jennie. Hi, baby girl.
Like, isn't that so pretty?
Hi.
Hi, Whitney.
Hello!
And everyone got the memo. This is real water.
- Don't storm off the stage. - This is the most insane set.
- Wait, there's seven of us. - Yeah, is there--
Where's Mary going?
Mary and Meredith--right there.
- Is Mary going on the poof? - Let's guess. Let's guess.
Oh, that's our ice fishing.
- Hey. - Oh.
- You look beautiful. - Hi, guys.
- Where's Mary? - Why is Mary not here?
Quiet on the set, please.
Yes?
It's a massive audio issue. Jen, they're like...
I mean, this is what made the outfit, but it's fine.
Yeah, you look plain now.
Rolling in 5...4...
3...2...
Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"
season two Reunion.
I am Andy Cohen, joined by the women,
whose sophomore season just about set
the snowcapped mountains of Salt Lake on fire.
- Hi, ladies. - Hi, Andy.
- Hey. - Hello.
Great to see you. We have transformed our set
into the beautiful ice castles in Utah,
where after months of feuding,
Jen and Heather finally made peace,
so I'm hoping that we can mend some other rifts
that transpired this season.
- Hi, baby gorgeous. - Hey, Andy.
Aren't you glad we're not in the Sprinter van?
I'm so glad we're not in the Sprinter van.
- I bet. - Just be ready, Andy,
in the middle of us. - Yes.
Everyone stay on your couches.
Jen, you're looking understated.
Some might have expected you to show up kind of piously
in white today, but no. - No.
- Hi, Meredith. - Hello.
Did you take a nice, long soak in a bubble bath today?
Well, I didn't because you guys
put us in a hotel without a bathtub.
Oh, no.
- It's a kind of a no-no for me. - Okay. Oh, my God.
We have to look at Meredith's rider next time.
Jennie, welcome to your first reunion.
Thank you very much.
How are you feeing about being here?
Very excited. I'm just glad to be here.
Good. Uh, Whitney, I'm glad you could take a break
from driving carpool to be here.
The nanny is at home with the kids.
- You look great. - Thank you, Andy.
- Hi, Heather. - Hi.
- How are you? - I'm feeling good.
Good. Did you finally get a real Louis Vuitton bag?
I finally bought my first real Louis Vuitton.
- Does it feel different? - It feels exactly the same
as all the fakes I've been carrying all these years.
Well, it should be apparent
to all of you that Mary chose not to join us tonight.
Disappointing, to say the least.
Why didn't Mary come?
Um, I spoke to her the other day.
She was...pretty upset about everyone speaking
behind her back about her church,
and I encouraged her to come and defend her church,
and she was very upset that you called her a predator
and was stunned by that and kept bringing that up.
So what do you think about that?
- I wish she was here. - Yeah.
Because I tried to have conversations with her
throughout the season, and she would not afford me the respect
of a conversation. - Right.
- First of all, you're not 100%. - Just come talk to me.
Like, right now. I can smell it on your breath.
Mary, I am--
And now we still don't get to talk about it.
I wish she was here, too.
Mary said so many insightful things in confessional,
and I gained respect for Mary watching the episodes.
- Mm. - Like kind of--
she has this kind of, like, weird ability
to read everybody like the Bible, and so--
I don't think they're accurate reads, though.
Oh, I think they're right on the money.
Like what? What did she get right?
Like Lisa doesn't know how to be real.
Oh, my God.
I think that was the truest thing I'd ever heard.
I know that's why you loved it. You're so textbook. It's okay.
No, I heard her. She said things about me, Lisa.
- Yeah. - She said things about Jen.
I know how to be real. I am real.
- She said things about Whitney. - But she called Whitney a whore.
- She called her a whore. - She called you a whore?
- In Zion, yeah. - Isn't that contradicting
what you're saying? She gets it right or she's...
The thing about Mary--
I understand what Heather's saying.
- I don't. - And when Mary is, like,
she does have moments of great wisdom and insight.
- Moments. - Absolutely.
- Moments. - I think she would have.
- I'm sorry she's not here. - She's really not showing up?
And I feel like she should've showed up for Meredith.
- She's really not showing up. - 'Cause Meredith
was her ride or die all season long,
and, like, after everything that went down,
Meredith could use as many people
supporting her as possible,
and Mary's not here to do that, and that makes me mad.
What's your reaction to that?
I have mixed feelings about it, because I'm not so sure
that the show is very healthy for Mary.
But you know, I-I like having her support. So...
Well, we have a lot to discuss, and I wanna start with you, Jen,
because I haven't seen you in person...
- Right. - ...since the last reunion.
Obviously, so much has happened.
You're facing Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud
with a maximum of 30 years in prison,
and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering
with an additional 20 years.
How are you doing?
Honestly, this is...devastating for me personally,
and more so for my family.
I think that's why it was so hard for me especially,
you know, seeing the Vail trip.
I saw it real time with the rest of the world,
and it broke my heart.
I'm glad I didn't see all the things that were said
until I watched it because if I would have known that,
we would have turned that bus over on the way to Zion.
- Hey! - Push me
one more ----ing time! - No, no, no, no, no.
Come on, come on, come on! You wanna go?
- You almost did. - Yeah, but...
Yeah, we definitely would've.
Um, after the arrest, did you consider quitting the show?
We did have a discussion-- me and Coach and the boys.
And I was like, no. I'm innocent, and I felt like
I need to tell my story.
How do your lawyers feel about you being here today?
Oh, they were ecstatic.
No, I mean, they weren't thrilled about it,
but because I felt like it was important
for me to be here with the rest of the group of friends,
and...show up.
When is the trial?
It's scheduled for March 22nd right now.
- So I mean that's... - Yeah.
- ...really soon. - Will you be in New York?
Yeah, I'll be in New York for the trial.
Will you be wearing this outfit for your first day?
I...You know...
I think that's a very bad idea.
No, I don't think it's a very good idea.
The lawyers put this together.
All right, well, we have more to discuss
about everything you're facing
and everything that you've been through,
but I wanna start with something
a little lighter for the group.
Jen began this season on a small apology tour.
Why are you throwing out little dumb digs behind my back?
I am sorry. Meredith, I'm sorry.
I would never want you to feel I somehow outed you,
and I'm sorry. - Thank you.
Meredith, I am sorry for hurting you and your family.
I'm sorry.
Jen, do you feel like you apologize
more than the other women? - Absolutely.
Margaret from Lake Geneva said, "Heather, you felt like
Jen's apology was genuine enough to move on,
but I wouldn't be able to move forward with Jen
after being called Shrek or Honey Boo Boo. How can you?"
Because it was a bad joke that she said behind my back
to a random person, and I would rather deal with someone
that makes really bad jokes on low-hanging fruit
that I enjoy and like, and I can get over it.
I got over it, and I think she's deeply sorry
that she said those things. Are you?
Absolutely, and you know I--
Do you think I look like Honey Boo Boo?
No. And...
Shrek is because you were acting like an ogre to me.
- I was Donkey. - Because--
She was Donkey. I was Shrek.
Wait, wait, wait. Who else called her Shrek?
Nobody remembered she was Donkey.
Who else was talking all kinds of stuff?
There's a bunch of other stuff going on,
but I always get called out for it.
You're looking at Lisa. Did you call her Shrek?
I never called-- I never called Heather Shrek.
Oh, you've called me horrible things, Lisa.
- I have never called you Shrek. - You called me a LEGO figurine.
You've called me horrible things.
- Oh, I did not. Oh, I did not. - You said--Yeah.
- You know you have. - I did not. I did not.
Well, Lisa, you've called friends on this couch
that you've known for 10 years
a ----ing piece of sh-- garbage whore,
and I think I would rather be called Shrek every day than be
called the horrible things... - Tell everyone all the things
you call me and the lies you tell about me.
...you said about your friend of 10 years.
I would rather be called Shrek every day than be called
the horrible things... - Tell everyone all the things
you call me and the lies you tell about me.
...you said about your friend of 10 years.
That was in a rage in my room, and we'll address that.
You know what? I think that's how you really feel,
'cause it was so ugly. - No, it's not.
That doesn't come out in a rage. But you can keep saying that
- That is not-- - That is the Lisa Barlow that
I've known from day one. I'm glad you've finally
revealed yourself. - From day one since 2017.
I said you're gonna reveal yourself, and you finally did.
- Okay, you've revealed yourself. - The curtains were pulled back.
Okay, and you've revealed yourself.
And that's who you are, and it's very ugly.
I knew that this was gonna happen.
- I had one moment-- - You did? Because you called
your friend of 10 years... - Wait. I'm still talking.
...a ----ing piece of sh-- garbage whore.
I'll stop talking until I can--
And that's the smallest of the things you've said,
but I'm gonna, like, preserve everyone's dignity
and let you face that, and I'm not gonna bring it up.
Did you call her a LEGO figurine?
I never did.
I got sent a picture from their best friend
that had her and said, "This looks like Heather."
- I never said that. - We saw the text.
That's how we know that that's what you said.
I haven't said that. I haven't said that,
and I'll show you all of 'em. - We've seen 'em.
- I can show you all of 'em. - We've seen 'em.
- I can print it. - Angie showed us everything,
and it--it's exactly the way you spoke of Meredith--
Did she show you her husband calling you trash
and you trash and everything? Okay.
We've talked about all of it.
We just spent a week in Cabo with her husband.
Do you know what I think is fascinating? Listen. Listen.
Because they are authentic people,
and they only felt that way about us
because of the horrible things you said, and now that
we're all friends... - I've never talked to them
about you guys. - ...and we know how you
really feel about everyone on this stage...
I have never talked to them about you guys. I did not.
- ...you've been revealed, Lisa. - I did not.
So own it. Own it, or we cannot move forward.
I will own what I didn't say 100%.
- Is a LEGO figurine bad? - She just meant because
my body is, like, too square. - It's body shaming.
Body and fat shaming-- it's a big thing for her.
No, I don't fat shame you or body shame you.
I think you look great, Heather.
Okay, I wanna get back to Jen's apology tour.
Meredith, after the apology to Brooks,
you seemed okay with Jen.
What made you pull away from her again?
First of all, what I would like to accomplish today with Jen
is a peaceful space.
I've been trying to get to that peaceful space for a while.
Right. And for starters, I'd like to apologize to you
for hurting you and/or your family
for anything that I said.
Thank you.
Oh.
I...
Sorry.
Sorry. I-I just need a moment, Andy.
I'm a little verklempt.
Yeah.
- What are you feeling right now? - Sorry.
There's a lot more stuff that went on
that goes well beyond you, Jen, that I-I--
I don't even know how I can approach talking to you
until I deal with some other stuff.
Okay. Is it about Brooks?
There was a lot going on last winter
that I could not talk about.
I had told Lisa that I had some very serious issues
well beyond just losing my father,
which was incredibly painful.
The last time I saw my father
was through a glass door on a FaceTime
because of COVID.
We had some very serious issues going on in my family.
I couldn't get him buried.
I couldn't get any peace.
I was fighting incessantly with my sister.
I have a nephew with mental health issues.
It wasn't my story to tell.
I couldn't talk about it,
and I was in a state of immense, immense pain.
My fears, my reactions,
everything was amplified a million times over.
I think every one of you, anyone watching
my behavior change from season one to season two,
I was insane by the end, completely insane,
because I was emotionally devastated.
I-I totally understand, and, Meredith, honestly,
when I saw you, I saw myself a year ago
with exactly how I responded and reacted,
because I was grieving, and I didn't know,
and I couldn't get better until I went through all of that.
Meredith, I'm curious, as you watch the show back,
how did you feel about the way that Jen treated you?
How did she treat you this season?
Seeing how everything unfolded and the information
that was given to Jen, or I should say misinformation,
she was actually...pretty kind at the end of the day.
Thank you for saying that. With your marriage last year
and then with your dad and everything,
I would kind of hold--hold back because I...
I know what it is to be going through a lot,
and you're not being your normal true self.
You're reacting, like you said, amplified.
Do you think ultimately she wound up treating you better
this season than your friend?
- Yes. - Oh.
I feel like in a weird way, we're rewriting history, too.
Like, I'm happy that you guys are in a good place right now
and you're talking, but what's really weird to me
is for the last year, this has not been working.
This has been disjointed, horrible.
And you've been in the middle of it.
Wait, wait, wait, why is this being pointed out right now?
And I've been in the middle of it.
And I've been in the middle of it, and so to me,
it just seems like all of a sudden,
we're, like, kumbaya. "I understand you. I--"
But I thought that's what you wanted, though, right?
No, I do, but I know what I said,
and I know it was horrible. - Yeah.
I know it was wrong. What happened if we erased that?
Like, what is everyone gonna say?
"Oh, your character's so bad. Oh, this."
I know my character in that moment was horrible
because I said this. With this-- - You can erase that, Lisa.
- But wait, listen. It was-- - But what she just said
about needing a friend-- - What I did was horrible.
No, no, no, with what she said about needing a friend...
- I was there for her, though. - What changed?
I have to be perfect all the time, or it's...
I'm held to, like, a different bar.
And we are back
with "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion.
Okay, I wanna switch gears for a minute.
Jennie, tell me what it means
to be an immigrant woman of color in Salt Lake City.
It's very difficult because growing up in Long Beach,
there's a lot of diversity,
and being an immigrant, I have a very heavy accent,
and people don't respect that because, like,
"You live in America. You need to learn how to communicate."
- I can communicate fine, okay? - Clearly.
- Yes. - Just because I have an accent
doesn't mean I don't know how to communicate.
Lisa is a long-time friend of Jennie's.
What made you think she'd be a fit in this group?
Since we met when our boys were little,
I just thought she was so fun and funny,
and I loved when our families got together.
I mean, Duy adjusted Henry at 2 weeks old. He's like,
"This is good for babies." He gave him a little adjustment.
You sent your 2-year-old for an adjustment?
- Or 2-month-old. - 2 months old.
- 2-month-old? - Yeah.
- For an adjustment? - Yeah, he got an adjustment.
- Wow. - Yeah.
Meredith, what did you think when Jennie
tried to get you and Jen to make up at ice fishing?
Jen, do you wanna be friends with her or not?
Just tell me now. Do you wanna be friends with her?
Yes, Jennie.
Do you wanna be friends with her?
Then you guys shut the up and listen to each other.
Was she overstepping?
Uh, it felt a little bit that way.
Jennie hadn't been there before,
and she didn't fully understand the situation,
and she was, you know, very, um...uh...
- She had a lot to say, yeah. - Right.
Jen, as--as someone who is known for losing her temper,
did Jennie come in too hot?
I appreciate Jennie's...demeanor.
But that time, I was--I think I said something to Jennie,
like, "You don't know what's going on"
or "You weren't here when it happened."
- Yeah, she did. - Heather and Whitney,
you accused Lisa of pulling the puppet strings this season.
Do you think Lisa manipulated Jennie
into fighting some of her battles?
- Yeah, 100%. - You do?
I don't--No. I'm not her minion, and when you guys said that
at the "After Show," I was taken aback.
I love Jennie, but I think she's very, very loyal to Lisa,
and Lisa likes her minions to do her dirty work.
I'm her friend, and she will not control what I do.
So when you guys said that, I don't appreciate that.
And I don't try to, either. I would never try to.
In fact, I was very careful
bringing Jennie into this friend group,
and I said, "You've seen the show.
You've seen our dynamic. Make your own judgments
and have your own relationships."
- So you had watched the show? - Yes, I had watched the show.
But I would like to know what make you think that Lisa
has the power to tell me what I should and should not do
and do her dirty work? - I never said Lisa has the power
to--to control you at all.
I said I think Jennie's in a tough position
'cause she is Lisa's friend, and Lisa has expectations
of her friends that are very controlling.
You're narrating me. Don't do that.
But you said that I was her minion.
You're narrating me. Don't do that.
- I'm not her minion. - Don't narrate me.
I was worried that you were going to be motivated to do what
she was manipulating you to do.
What am I trying to make her do?
What is--What do I need her to do?
- Jennie, do you not feel-- - When you need her,
you're there for her, and when you don't need her...
- Yeah. - ...you dismiss her.
And I think that Jennie probably felt that,
but will never say it 'cause she's a loyal, good friend.
- Um-- - You know what you do?
I wanna--I wanna say something real quick here.
- Okay. - You know what you do?
You talked to "Bad Weather" right now?
Yeah, I'm talking to "Bad Weather."
You like to say that, "Oh, that's..."
- Talking to me or "Bad Weather"? - You say this to us or Heather?
- Both. Everybody here. - That's--Okay, great. Bring it.
I don't want to nor do I control anyone through manipulation
or any other tactics. I have no tactics.
You guys use the word "minions" so that if anyone stands up
for me, they are the bad guy, and I don't like that.
I'm not saying that for an advantage.
I'm saying that because I like Jennie a lot.
I know you don't like me, so we should disparage me.
I think she's a strong, smart, powerful--
- I like you, too, Lisa. - I want--I wanna hear from--
I apologize if I called you a minion.
I wanna hear from Meredith on this.
I apologize that we called you a minion.
- Meredith, what do you think? - Thank you very much.
It's not the words. I feel like it's a horrible situation.
- I mean... - Let's hear from Meredith.
I do think there is some level of control that goes on
more over Lisa's own life than the other person.
It's not--it's more of what you shouldn't be doing
to respect her space.
I wanna talk about something serious.
This season Mary made a lot of racially insensitive remarks.
Fans were all outraged. We were all outraged.
The words were ignorant, intolerant, and hurtful.
To Lisa, about Jen in Vail, she said...
When I think about Jen,
I see a heartless... I see a thug.
You know those Mexican people that make all those drugs?
Jennie, she talked about your yellow tone.
She talked about slanted eyes.
You look amazing as a blonde. So does she.
You do have yellow tones. I like the slanted eyes.
Ah! Love it.
She imitated your accent.
Jennie comes-- starts coming at me.
"Mary is lying.
She said a lot of things about you. We think--"
- Okay, sorry. - No characters, please.
I can't imagine...
- It's hurtful. - Yeah.
Because she's a minority. I'm a minority.
We're supposed to support each other.
Have you experienced that type of racism before?
Yes. I grew up with this every day.
Especially now with a lot of Asian hate,
every time I go, I'm afraid for my life,
because people will stalk me.
People will be like, "Oh, you're the virus.
You're this. You're that."
I have kids that are dealing with this right now.
And for me, it's like, if one day they watch the show
and seeing their mom being attacked,
how are they gonna live their life?
Meredith, when Mary imitated Jennie's Asian accent at lunch,
it seemed like you were giving her a pass.
What's your response to that and what Jennie just said?
No, when--I assume when you say defended her with Jennie,
you're talking about in Zion at the Cinco de Mayo? Is--
No, at the luncheon, when she made fun of my accent,
you both sat there and laughed.
I did not laugh. It was a grimace.
I was horrified and uncomfortable.
I said, "No characters" because I was
trying to give a reminder to her that it was not okay.
But then I felt that at Whitney's event--
But then it was during the confrontation, uh,
at Whitney's party,
you were asked about Mary's "slanted eyes" comment,
then stayed silent.
Did anyone else know that's offensive?
Really?
I didn't know. Is that offensive?
I'm so sorry. I didn't know that.
- Why? - So my understanding
going into that moment was when you're dealing with a comment
that is prejudicial, you are supposed to really look
to the party affected by it to get a cue.
And if I could do it again, I would have just said yes.
The reason I didn't say yes is because before I was asked,
"Is it offensive?" Jennie responded to the same question,
"Is it offensive?" Mary had asked you,
and you said, "Well, it's inappropriate."
And I got very nervous that I was not being respectful
of your own views, and that's why--
I did say it was very offensive. I said it was racist,
very offensive, very inappropriate.
You guys all heard it.
- Mm-hmm. - Yeah.
To me, it's a very discriminatory,
racist kind of joke.
It doesn't seem like there was any question about whether
what she said was wrong. I mean...
- A-Agreed. - You can't say "slanted."
- I mean, it's... - Yeah, it's horrible.
- It's terrible. - Horrific.
Heather, you said that Jennie looked like an anime character.
You gotta see this.
You look like an anime character.
- Like, you look gorgeous. - She does.
Yeah. You look surreal.
It was not because you're Asian, which I realize,
and it's terrible that it came out that way,
but you were wearing a vinyl corset.
You looked like a cartoon, you know, drawn physical...
She looked gorgeous.
...you know, physically beautiful,
ridiculously overdesigned anime character,
like you looked like a cartoon, and it was beautiful.
No, that's the thing I have is that I love the compliment.
And I didn't mean it to be Asian.
I just don't like the labeling...
I know. I shouldn't have said that, and I'm sorry.
...of me as a minority, a woman of color.
- It wasn't okay, and I'm sorry. - I'm curious, do you have any--
As the season--As you saw the season back, Meredith,
do you have any regrets about going so hard for Mary
or not speaking up more?
I definitely regret that moment for sure.
Um, and I did text Jennie a couple days later
to make sure she knew
that I felt horribly
that she had gone through that
and that she had my support.
But I don't think I went quite so hard in support
as the interpretation of it is.
You're always there for Mary. You always defend her.
Even if I say something to Mary, and I was like,
"Mary, I'm trying to open up to you.
I'm trying to talk to you" when we went to Zion,
and we had that spa thing, and she's like,
"I'm not comfortable with that. I don't even know you.
And you're just like, "Oh, okay."
You should have been there and said,
"Mary, she's trying to open up to you.
She's trying to be nice to you." Why can't you give--
I'm not her keeper, Jennie. She's an adult woman.
But you are her friend. You are her friend.
She is an adult woman. If she wants to walk away,
she should walk away. - Just because she's your friend,
you don't turn a blind eye and say, "Oh, you can be rude
to Jennie. You can be rude to--" - I feel like I stood up for you
every time she said something, I stood up for you
every time she came after you. - Exactly, but I don't feel it
from you at all, Meredith. Every time when it comes to Mary--
Well, Jennie, that's because I felt under attack by you
the entire season.
- "You can be rude to--" - I feel like I stood up for you
every time she said something, I stood up for you
every time she came after you. - Exactly, you did,
but I don't feel it from you at all, Meredith.
Every time when it comes to Mary--
Well, Jennie, maybe that's because
I felt under attack by you the entire season. You went--
How did I attack you?
Because you wouldn't--you had made all these judgments
and never once asked me a question.
What judgment did I make? Point out one.
Well, let's start out with on the way to ice fishing
in the car with Lisa. - Okay.
"I've known Meredith for a little while now."
- Excuse me. - Your definition of
"a little while" and my definition...
Don't cut me off, please, Jennie.
...of a "little while" is two different definitions.
- You want me to speak or not? - Okay, let her--let her finish.
"I've known Meredith for a little while,
and she tends to ice people out when there's conflict."
- I met you one week before. - Mm-hmm.
I don't know that meeting you one week before at a party
is quite enough time to make a judgment
on how I handle conflict.
- Let's start there. - Okay.
Okay? You also decided to take and misinterpret
a lot of things I said and create a lot of problems
between me and Jen where I thought we were
in a peaceful spot momentarily.
You ----ing told me she hired a private investigator
to investigate me! That's what you said!
I never hired a private investigator
to investigate you. I hired an investigator
to investigate why my family was receiving threats.
You made this into something it wasn't.
You never asked me. You-- I saw you with your husband.
"Well, why wouldn't she call the police?"
If you get text messages,
do you go hire a private investigator,
or you go file a report?
Who hire a private investigator to search this?
Why didn't you ask me if I called the police?
I have a police report, Jennie. I did call the police.
There was no benefit of the doubt for me whatsoever.
It was just...you made your choices, and you went on.
- Are you done? - You didn't ask me.
- Are you done? - What else can we go to?
Um...let's see.
You are so offended by Mary's gift because
you thought it was used.
Do you understand that it's insulting to give someone
a used item?
But they're not used. They're brand-new.
It wasn't meant for me, Mary.
Yet my husband received used golf balls
as a birthday present from you.
Did you give her husband used golf balls?
- What? - What?
- I gave you used golf balls? - Yes.
I'll donate them to the Clubhouse if you'd like.
I don't know that they're iconic enough.
I have no idea. My husband picked it out.
Okay. Danny from Iowa City said, "Lisa, did it surprise you
to see Meredith so tolerant of Mary's ignorance?"
That's a great question. Let me think how I wanna answer this.
- It's yes or no. - Um...
I was shocked
that Meredith wasn't more vocal, but I do know that
Meredith does not like unacceptable behaviors,
so I was shocked that she wasn't as vocal
as I normally would expect Meredith to be.
Jennie--
Can I speak to that for one second?
- Yes. - You know, there's a lot that--
Every relationship has a different dynamic,
and Mary and I have a lot of moments
where we speak one-on-one.
Mary knows exactly where I stand.
I guess what good is it if you don't call her out
in front of the other women or on camera?
Because then here we are having a misrepresentation of you.
Well, there's plenty on camera. There's plenty on camera.
Jennie, Akilah from L.A. said,
"We all agree that Mary was wrong for mocking your accent.
When are you gonna address, take accountability,
and apologize for the fact
that you constantly used a Blaccent?
You roll your neck and you wag your finger
and other stereotypical depictions of Black women
when you talk to or about Mary."
Okay, can we stop and have some fun?
Shut the up and let's go!
- Don't ever use that word again. - This is how I talk.
If you don't like it, you don't have to listen.
Oh, wow.
She is full of sh--. No, Mary.
- So do you believe that, right? - Unh-unh, I sat next to you.
- What? - You talk about her...
- I sure did - ...as much as we did.
Don't lie, Mary. Don't lie.
No, you ----ing shut up! Don't tell me to shut up, okay?
I asked you about it on "Watch What Happens Live."
- Yeah. - And it just kept coming up.
- Mm-hmm. - So I mean...
I don't see I have a Black accent.
Okay.
I grew up in Long Beach, California.
It shaped who I am. That's where I get my accent.
And I don't understand why people look at me and say
when I talk to Mary, I have a Black accent.
I don't see that. Do you guys see that?
Do you guys see I have a Black accent?
I have an accent. Whatever comes out, comes out.
Jennie, you threw a glass at Mary.
Run away, Mary! Run the away
because you don't have nothing...
Is that a little bit hypocritical to reprimand Mary
for being violent with her words
when you were violent with your actions?
I didn't throw it at Mary. I threw it on the floor.
- Okay. - It didn't hit Mary.
If I wanna hit Mary, I would've hit Mary.
Okay. Let me ask you this.
- Do you like Mary? - No.
Okay.
The reason why I don't like her--because she didn't like me.
- Okay. - I have a comment right here.
- Okay. - So when we were all together
when we went tubing, I think you just went in really hot,
and Mary, I feel like, was, like, whoa.
Like, you came in too strong. That's what I'm saying.
But it wasn't toward Mary.
I said, "Shut the up and have some fun."
- And then she told-- - I know, but if you're a guest
at somewhere and you're like, "Shut the up
and have some fun," and you're like, "Who the hell's this?"
But I apologized to her when I did her makeup.
- Hey, it doesn't matter. - I apologized.
- It doesn't matter. - She won't let it go.
It's Mary M. Cosby. Once...
And then it didn't stop there. She keep--continue.
It didn't stop there, and there's a part of me
that thinks that there's something in Mary
that is racist because it didn't stop there,
and it seemed to always come up.
I did speak to her, uh, last week,
and she told me that she didn't think that
Black people were capable of being racist.
They are. Everyone is capable of being racist.
Uh, we need to take a break. We'll be right back.
Well, to be fair, all Housewives stir the pot
from time to time, but this season, it seemed
that one or two women were putting some extra muscle
into mixing up the mess.
Watch this.
I wanna have some fun, get everyone together.
We're gonna gamble for charity.
- Oh, I love that. - Whitney's gonna be there.
Do you and Whitney have an issue?
I don't have an issue.
With the party, there's been a hiccup.
We've been asked to host events at the restaurant
by Lisa's assistant.
- "We can't do your event." - Lisa's sabotaging you.
I see getting gifts from our friend group
on social media.
Lisa, why would you ask if her feelings were hurt?
- Oh, my gosh. - You're planting a seed
from the beginning. - No, I'm not. I wasn't.
The reason you planted a bug
in Jen's ear against me and invited me and not her--
I didn't plant a bug in her ear.
Don't accuse me of doing something I didn't do.
- All right. - Wow.
By a show of hands,
who thinks Lisa is the pot stirrer in the group?
I'm, like, right here.
- And I think there's... - Don't raise your hand, Jennie.
...more than one.
You think there's more than one?
One's on that couch, and then one's on this couch.
I think that--I think that Lisa does a brilliant job
of stirring the pot, and I always take the baton.
Why do you think Lisa? You raised your hand for Lisa.
I'll be real honest.
I feel like I was played a fool.
- Played a fool. - So do I.
- So do you? - So do I.
- Who played you for a fool? - We'll talk about it.
Jill from Marlboro, New Jersey, said, "Lisa, how do you explain
the timeline of the catering debacle?
They were committed to Angie's party.
Your assistant called. Then they pulled out.
Did you or did you not
have your assistant call the caterer?"
I got a call from the caterers,
and they were like, "Lisa's assistant called,
and we--we can't do it anymore.
We have to pull out of your event."
No, I did not, because I don't have an assistant
that would call Angie's caterers.
- Okay, you have seven lawyers. - My people work for Vida.
I do have that.
- Okay. - So let's talk about timeline.
- Okay. Oh, boy. - They're all right here.
- Okay. - I have all the receipts.
I wanna hear Lisa defend herself.
- Yeah, okay. - Lisa--Yeah, I would love to.
Because I also saw the texts on Angie's phone.
And Angie's the only person that has stood up to you
and not con-conspired with you before--
- Hold on. This is a message-- - That's not the first person
that was real and authentic and absolutely close to you.
This is a text from Angie. She says, "Would you guys
be interested in catering an event? It'll be on TV.
It's a secret," and they said, "Of course. We'd love to.
Heads up. Lisa reached out to us to come to the restaurant
to shoot as well."
They said, "I'm not sure we can do multiple shoots,
but I think so." - Yep.
And then they say, "Don't tell Lisa."
- Yeah, that was weird. - That was Angie said...
- Yeah. - ..."Don't tell Lisa."
Yeah.
Okay. So why did she not want to tell?
- I don't know. - I have an answer for that.
- Okay. - I do, too.
Angie asked them not to tell Lisa
because production asked her-- they didn't want her to know
that Angie was getting the first event.
- Okay. - And that right there is true.
'Cause that would have sent her to a tailspin, which it did.
No, no, no, no, no. It did not send me in a tailspin,
because none of us were getting along.
- It was the right move. - None of that's true.
What would have been her motive in sabotaging this for Angie?
Angie and I connect. that's motive.
- Okay. - No, that's not.
There's no motive. I don't do things like that.
I would never do that.
Lisa asked Angie to not be my friend.
Don't follow me on social media. Don't acknowledge her.
We've seen the receipts.
She doesn't--She doesn't like that we're friends.
No. She asked me to not acknowledge you as my cousin.
Do you know what I said? You're twisting it.
- I said, "Don't claim her." - But I'm not twisting it. I'm--
Because she said, "I just found out from watching the show..."
- Those are... Those are... - "...that Whitney is my cousin."
You also called us--
you called us inbred polygamist cousins, Lisa.
And I'm a snarky bitch and I said, "Don't claim her."
Because they don't go to the same--
Clearly, you think that us being--
Did you call them inbred polygamist cousins?
I do not buy Angie and Whitney being close now
because they're like these inbred polygamy cousins.
- It's, like, weird. - I did.
Yeah, so okay, so then why are you defending yourself now?
So why would she try to sabotage her friend of 20 years?
Because Angie knows all of her deepest, darkest secrets,
to protect herself. - Um, insane.
Lisa, I have a question for you. May I ask you a question?
That on casino night,
when you ran into this problem with Angie,
do you feel that I had your back enough for you?
I do feel like you had my back. I do.
When you take a step back, can you at least see that
the timeline and cadence of all of the events...
- No. - ...look--You can't?
No, I cannot because I did not-- 100% did not do it.
And you cannot take accountability
for being territorial and controlling?
We're never gonna agree on it, Lisa.
- 'Cause you're wrong. - They were buried
in a text message, Andy, and they said--
And Jennie's evidence of it, honestly.
- They explained it all. - Evidence of what?
They think--They're thinking me and Angie are friends.
- You'll see. Just wait. - They explained it.
They volunteer and all queue up.
We all have been through it, Jennie. It's horrible.
Yes. Heather, you and Lisa developed a close relationship
towards the end of the season. - Yeah.
But you know, you've also become good friends with Angie.
They just celebrated Angie's birthday--her 40th--in Cabo.
How does that make you feel that they're all just--
I'm happy that they're all friends.
- Oh, okay. - It was a phenomenal trip.
We were on a yacht that Chris actually paid for
and didn't just front pictures on like you like to do.
I pay for my stuff. Are you kidding?
We went to Cabo. Everything was paid for.
I pay for my stuff. Are you insulting John Barlow right now?
It's the life that you pretend to have
that Angie actually has, and we enjoyed the spoils of it.
Oh, my gosh. She is so horrible.
- Okay. Meredith-- - You know what?
I have dirt on you, Lisa, and I hold it all back,
but I won't hold it back any longer if you wanna go there.
What about your DUI? You're such--
- You have great character. - You wanna go there?
- I don't have one. Look it up. - Yes, you do. I did look it up.
- It's a lie. - All right, okay.
Yeah, you do. You're a liar. This is so insane.
- It's not insane, Lisa. - It's not. We posed.
We know you, and we love you as you are.
- Oh, my gosh. - And we want you
to have all of that for yourself.
- I do have it for myself. - You don't have to fake it
until you get there. - I don't fake anything.
- Lisa, you do. It's okay. - Honestly, I-I fake a lot.
- If you can just pivot... - Do you want my K-1s?
- ...we will support you. - You love her as she is?
I liked her more when I saw her true self show up
than I've ever liked her. - She doesn't know me.
Because I don't wanna be friends with a caricature
of some, you know, teen magazine she read in eighth grade
that said, "How to Be a Cool Mean Girl."
You love her as she is?
I liked her more when I saw her true self show up...
- She doesn't know me. - ...than I ever liked her.
- Yeah. - Because I don't wanna be
friends with a caricature of some, you know, teen magazine
she read in eighth grade that said,
"How to Be a Cool Mean Girl."
Okay. All right, okay, let's move on.
Monica from South Dakota said,
"Jen, why do you think Lisa mentioned
your former dress designer on the show?
Do you think she wanted to humiliate you,
or was she worried Whitney was being a bad friend
by sending him free skincare products?"
- No. - What I thought that--
in that moment was that she wanted me to know
that Whitney is not a good person.
This is about my business, so I want to clear this up.
This is not about your business. I wanna just explain this.
Yeah, you need to-- you need to say.
- So I'll wait. - Well, so does she.
At the time, he was working for Jen.
We thought he was Jen's, like, ride or die.
That was prior to the leak of the audio.
Once it all came out, I sent them a screenshot
of what was out there,
and I said, "Please do not respond back to him,"
and my team never did again.
My intention is bringing it up was I was like--
- Stir the point. - You're holding me to a standard
but why is it okay for them to, you know...
- Explain my horrible behavior. - That was my intention.
- It wasn't-- - Right.
I didn't wanna hurt or disparage,
and I was also, like, questioning
my friendship with Jen because, like, I was feeling like,
hey, we talk all the time. - That's why you did it.
'Cause you were questioning your control.
- No. No. And-- - And you wanted to--
- No, it's not about control. - You wanted to
put her in her place. - I wanna know what Jen believes.
- It's not about control. - What do you believe?
Well, I felt like the reason Lisa told me was, like,
"Jen, why are you friends with Whitney?
She's not your friend. She's talking to this person,
and he's an ambassador." - I was asking you why you--
I was asking you, like, the difference,
like why are you, like, so upset with me for bringing it up?
You said, "I think people need to defend you..."
Do you think the motive was to stir the pot, Jen?
..."and you're not being defended," and Jen told me that
she texted you before and said, "Don't mention his name,
no matter what." - No. No.
- We talked the day before. - Which is what you always do
before anyone films with you. You make sure everyone knows
what they're supposed to say or not say.
You keep, like, saying what you thought in the moment.
I wonder what you think now.
Um, what I think now after I saw the Vail episodes?
I was extremely hurt,
and now I know why Lisa didn't answer the phone.
Do you think that her intention was to create beef between us?
- Why? What do you mean? - Absolutely.
What do you mean? Jen, what do you mean, now that
you've seen the episodes you get why she didn't call you?
Because you see what she was saying behind your back
after you were arrested?
I didn't think that Lisa would ever do that.
I-I defended Lisa adamantly about...
- Lisa would ever do what? - To talk to her.
Say exactums. I wanna hear exactly.
- Well, there's a whole part of-- - Well, Lisa would be two-faced,
and, like... - That isn't two-faced.
- That is two-faced. - I was going through a lot.
- I didn't mean to be. - So Jack and Henry did
the guest list for your event. - Yes, they did.
Right? I wanna know why they would invite Whitney
but not invite Jen.
They didn't invite Whitney. I did.
- Okay. - I added Whitney on.
- You did. - Last minute.
I called Whitney and said-- I was thinking, like,
I'm extending an olive branch, and then she can see me
being a mother and who I really am and who I'm raising,
because that's my character. That's who I am.
- And so-- - I'm raising two amazing kids,
and I'm a great mother. - Lisa, Lisa, your character--
- Why not invite Jen? - Um, I don't want you
to talk about my character. - Why not invite Jen?
- I'm going to. - At the kids--
At the photo shoot, I had a lot of emotions, right?
Because Jen and I got really hot.
- Yeah. - And--And I was sitting there,
and I'm like, I messed up. I mentioned somebody's name,
and I felt horrible for it.
And then when we left, Jen called me,
and we got into it all over again,
and I actually thought that was gonna be the last time
I talked to Jen Shah.
- Wow. - And Henry heard it,
and he was crying, and he was like,
"Mommy, you're a great mommy. You're a great person"
and hugging me...
because I was very upset.
- And I love Jen Shah. - At 2 a.m. in the morning,
in the car, he was hugging you?
As controversial as that is, I do, and I was very upset.
You don't have to add,
"As controversial as that is to love Jen Shah."
It is controversial. Get out of it.
Oh, it is? It's controversial for me to love you, too.
- Okay, I know-- - Leave that sh-- out.
Either love me or don't love me, but I'm tired
of all the disclaimers when it comes to Jen Shah.
It's bullsh--.
Next week, the Reunion continues.
Who here has received mean texts from Mary?
- Everyone except you. - Yeah. I didn't get the text.
Right, she probably blocked your number.
She just said it to you in person.
Cameron was on a path for spiritual healing.
He told me that he had a relationship with her.
He did mortgage his house to give her money.
Lisa, you flat-out told me off camera
that he did not loan her $300,000.
- It was actually more than that. - I thought it was suspicious.
- He barely said anything. - Let me talk, please.
After my father had passed,
those were the things you had to say about me after that.