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<i> Andy: Coming up--a 3-part</i>

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<i> "real housewives</i>
<i> of salt lake city" reunion.</i>

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I heard you hooked up
with meredith in the steakhouse.

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[laughter]

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meredith, did you wear
a chest plate at one point

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during your confessionals?
-[laughter]

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why is mary not here?

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You're threatening everyone
is what you're doing.

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Um...

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-That's how I see it.
-Yep.

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What it feels like
on my end is, like,

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"hey, jen, we can treat you
like sh--,"

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'cause you need all the friends
you can get right now.

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Well, you sh-- on me,
and I still showed up for you.

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Did you ever question
where the money came from?

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You called us inbred
polygamist cousins, lisa.

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-I did not!
-Do you think she's a whore?

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-Do you think she's--
-no, I do not.

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I was sick!

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I can yell just as loud
as you.

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I can poke just as far as you.

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I just feel like everybody here

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wants to break me
all the time. [cries]

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<i> "the real housewives</i>
<i> of salt lake city" reunion</i>

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<i> starts now.</i>

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♪♪♪

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-good morning.
-Good morning.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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Our friendship group
is in crisis.

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Well, it's like game day.

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I have to watch the other team
play.

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That's what I feel like I'm
doing right now. [chuckles]

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yeah.

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[laughs]

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-right.
-[laughs]

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♪♪♪

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-jen shah.
-[gasps]

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-here she is.
-I mean, I'm here.

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-I got some inches, like...
-Yes, you do.

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-Yes, you do.
-[laughs]

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-I'm glad you're here.
-I am, too.

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And we have a lot to talk about.

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-Yes.
-And I want you to hear from<i> me</i>

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that we did not give erika
any questions in advance

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of the beverly hills reunion,
okay?

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Okay.

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-There was a rumor out there.
-Yeah, yeah.

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So I just want you
to hear that from me.

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-Thank you. Okay.
-And I don't want you to think

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that you got the short end
of the stick...

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-Right, right.
-...Or anything.

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How you feeling about today?

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-Good. It's gonna be a lot.
-Yeah.

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I mean, I got pushed to a point
where I was like, "I'm done."

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got a lot of stuff
going on here I gotta address.

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Well, you do. You do.

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I mean, you just saw
the last few episodes.

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I...Saw the last one
last night.

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Well, that had to be
fairly eye-opening...

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-Ah.
-...Seeing lisa

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behind the closed door.

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Revolting?

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♪♪♪

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-andy, stand by.
-Oh, my god. I love that color.

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-Wow. [laughs]
-[laughs]

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-oh, my god. That's...
-She brought the bling!

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-What is that? A fish...
-It's water.

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-Shut up.
-Ice fishing.

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[singsongy]
jennie. Hi, baby girl.

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Like, isn't that so pretty?

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-[gasps]
-hi.

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[indistinct conversations]

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-[laughter]
-hi, whitney.

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Hello!

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And everyone got the memo.
This is real water.

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-Don't storm off the stage.
-This is the most insane set.

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-Wait, there's seven of us.
-Yeah, is there--

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where's mary going?

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Mary and meredith--right there.
[laughs]

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-is mary going on the poof?
-Let's guess. Let's guess.

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Oh, that's our ice fishing.

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-Hey.
-Oh.

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-You look beautiful.
-Hi, guys.

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-Where's mary?
-Why is mary not here?

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Quiet on the set, please.

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Yes?

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It's a massive audio issue.
Jen, they're like...

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I mean, this is what made
the outfit, but it's fine.

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-[laughter]
-yeah, you look plain now.

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Rolling in 5...4...

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3...2...

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Welcome to "the real housewives
of salt lake city"

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season two reunion.

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I am andy cohen,
joined by the women,

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whose sophomore season
just about set

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the snowcapped mountains
of salt lake on fire.

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-Hi, ladies.
-Hi, andy.

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-Hey.
-Hello.

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Great to see you.
We have transformed our set

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into the beautiful ice castles
in utah,

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where after months of feuding,

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jen and heather
finally made peace,

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so I'm hoping that we can mend
some other rifts

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that transpired this season.

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-Hi, baby gorgeous.
-Hey, andy.

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Aren't you glad we're not
in the sprinter van?

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I'm so glad we're not
in the sprinter van.

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-I bet.
-Just be ready, andy,

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in the middle of us.
-Yes.

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-Everyone stay on your couches.
-[laughter]

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jen, you're looking understated.

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Some might have expected you
to show up kind of piously

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in white today, but no.
-No.

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[laughter]

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-hi, meredith.
-Hello.

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Did you take a nice, long soak
in a bubble bath today?

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Well, I didn't because you guys

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put us in a hotel
without a bathtub.

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Oh, no. [laughs]

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-it's a kind of a no-no for me.
-Okay. Oh, my god.

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We have to look at
meredith's rider next time.

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Jennie,
welcome to your first reunion.

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Thank you very much.

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How are you feeing
about being here?

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Very excited.
I'm just glad to be here.

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Good. Uh, whitney, I'm glad
you could take a break

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from driving carpool to be here.

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[laughs]

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the nanny is at home
with the kids.

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-You look great.
-Thank you, andy.

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-Hi, heather.
-Hi.

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-How are you?
-I'm feeling good.

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Good. Did you finally get
a real louis vuitton bag?

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I finally bought
my first real louis vuitton.

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-Does it feel different?
-It feels exactly the same

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as all the fakes I've been
carrying all these years.

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-[laughter]
-well, it should be apparent

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to all of you that mary chose
not to join us tonight.

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Disappointing, to say the least.

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Why didn't mary come?

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Um, I spoke to her
the other day.

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She was...Pretty upset
about everyone speaking

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behind her back
about her church,

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and I encouraged her to come
and defend her church,

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and she was very upset that
you called her a predator

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and was stunned by that
and kept bringing that up.

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So what do you think about that?

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-I wish she was here.
-Yeah.

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Because I tried to have
conversations with her

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throughout the season, and she
would not afford me the respect

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of a conversation.
-Right.

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-First of all, you're not 100%.
-Just come talk to me.

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Like, right now.
I can smell it on your breath.

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Mary, I am--

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and now we still don't
get to talk about it.

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I wish she was here, too.

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Mary said so many insightful
things in confessional,

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and I gained respect for mary
watching the episodes.

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-Mm.
-Like kind of--

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she has this kind of, like,
weird ability

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to read everybody
like the bible, and so--

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I don't think they're
accurate reads, though.

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Oh, I think they're right
on the money.

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Like what?
What did she get right?

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Like lisa doesn't know
how to be real.

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Oh, my god. [laughs]

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I think that was
the truest thing I'd ever heard.

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I know that's why you loved it.
You're so textbook. It's okay.

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No, I heard her. She said
things about me, lisa.

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-Yeah.
-She said things about jen.

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I know how to be real.
I am real.

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-She said things about whitney.
-But she called whitney a whore.

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-She called her a whore.
-She called you a whore?

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-In zion, yeah.
-Isn't that contradicting

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what you're saying?
She gets it right or she's...

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The thing about mary--

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I understand
what heather's saying.

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-I don't.
-And when mary is, like,

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she does have moments
of great wisdom and insight.

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-Moments.
-Absolutely.

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-Moments.
-I think she would have.

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-I'm sorry she's not here.
-She's really not showing up?

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And I feel like she should've
showed up for meredith.

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-She's really not showing up.
-'cause meredith

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was her ride or die
all season long,

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and, like, after everything
that went down,

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meredith could use
as many people

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supporting her as possible,

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and mary's not here to do that,
and that makes me mad.

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What's your reaction to that?

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I have mixed feelings about it,
because I'm not so sure

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that the show
is very healthy for mary.

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But you know, I-I like
having her support. So...

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Well, we have a lot to discuss,
and I wanna start with you, jen,

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because I haven't seen you
in person...

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-Right.
-...Since the last reunion.

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Obviously, so much has happened.

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You're facing
conspiracy to commit wire fraud

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with a maximum of 30 years
in prison,

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and conspiracy to commit
money laundering

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with an additional 20 years.

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How are you doing?

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Honestly, this is...Devastating
for me personally,

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and more so for my family.

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I think that's why it was
so hard for me especially,

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you know, seeing the vail trip.

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I saw it real time
with the rest of the world,

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and it broke my heart.

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I'm glad I didn't see all
the things that were said

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until I watched it because
if I would have known that,

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we would have turned that
bus over on the way to zion.

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-Hey!
-Push me

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one more ----ing time!
-No, no, no, no, no.

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Come on, come on, come on!
You wanna go?

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-You almost did.
-Yeah, but...

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-Yeah, we definitely would've.
-[laughter]

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um, after the arrest, did you
consider quitting the show?

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We did have a discussion--
me and coach and the boys.

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And I was like, no.
I'm innocent, and I felt like

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I need to tell my story.

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How do your lawyers feel
about you being here today?

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-Oh, they were ecstatic.
-[laughter]

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no, I mean,
they weren't thrilled about it,

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but because I felt like
it was important

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for me to be here with the rest
of the group of friends,

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and...Show up.

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When is the trial?

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It's scheduled for March 22nd
right now.

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-So I mean that's...
-Yeah.

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-...Really soon.
-Will you be in new york?

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Yeah, I'll be in new york
for the trial.

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Will you be wearing this outfit
for your first day?

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-I...You know...
-[laughter]

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I think that's a very bad idea.

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No, I don't think it's
a very good idea.

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-The lawyers put this together.
-[laughter]

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all right, well,
we have more to discuss

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about everything you're facing

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and everything
that you've been through,

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00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:48,336
but I wanna start
with something

242
00:09:48,355 --> 00:09:50,338
a little lighter for the group.
-[laughs]

243
00:09:50,357 --> 00:09:53,608
jen began this season
on a small apology tour.

244
00:09:53,644 --> 00:09:56,561
Why are you throwing out little
dumb digs behind my back?

245
00:09:56,613 --> 00:10:00,181
I am sorry.
Meredith, I'm sorry.

246
00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,120
I would never want you to feel
I somehow outed you,

247
00:10:05,155 --> 00:10:07,238
and I'm sorry.
-Thank you.

248
00:10:07,291 --> 00:10:11,293
Meredith, I am sorry for hurting
you and your family.

249
00:10:12,362 --> 00:10:13,495
I'm sorry.

250
00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:15,080
Jen, do you feel like
you apologize

251
00:10:15,132 --> 00:10:18,333
more than the other women?
-Absolutely.

252
00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:20,468
Margaret from lake geneva said,
"heather, you felt like

253
00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:24,139
jen's apology was genuine enough
to move on,

254
00:10:24,174 --> 00:10:26,424
but I wouldn't be able
to move forward with jen

255
00:10:26,476 --> 00:10:29,978
after being called shrek
or honey boo boo. How can you?"

256
00:10:30,013 --> 00:10:33,848
because it was a bad joke
that she said behind my back

257
00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:38,603
to a random person, and I would
rather deal with someone

258
00:10:38,655 --> 00:10:41,606
that makes really bad jokes
on low-hanging fruit

259
00:10:41,658 --> 00:10:44,993
that I enjoy and like,
and I can get over it.

260
00:10:45,028 --> 00:10:48,663
I got over it,
and I think she's deeply sorry

261
00:10:48,699 --> 00:10:50,665
that she said those things.
Are you?

262
00:10:50,701 --> 00:10:52,334
Absolutely, and you know I--

263
00:10:52,369 --> 00:10:54,285
do you think I look like
honey boo boo? [laughs]

264
00:10:54,338 --> 00:10:55,787
-no. And...
-[chuckles]

265
00:10:55,839 --> 00:10:59,341
shrek is because you were
acting like an ogre to me.

266
00:10:59,376 --> 00:11:00,575
-I was donkey.
-Because--

267
00:11:00,594 --> 00:11:01,960
she was donkey. I was shrek.

268
00:11:02,012 --> 00:11:03,712
Wait, wait, wait.
Who else called her shrek?

269
00:11:03,747 --> 00:11:04,963
Nobody remembered
she was donkey.

270
00:11:05,015 --> 00:11:06,514
Who else was talking
all kinds of stuff?

271
00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:08,883
There's a bunch of other stuff
going on,

272
00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:10,301
but I always get called out
for it.

273
00:11:10,354 --> 00:11:11,353
You're looking at lisa.
Did you call her shrek?

274
00:11:11,388 --> 00:11:12,920
I never called--
I never called heather shrek.

275
00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:14,255
Oh, you've called me
horrible things, lisa.

276
00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,858
-I have never called you shrek.
-You called me a lego figurine.

277
00:11:16,893 --> 00:11:17,892
You've called me
horrible things.

278
00:11:17,927 --> 00:11:19,694
-Oh, I did not. Oh, I did not.
-You said--yeah.

279
00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:22,063
-You know you have.
-I did not. I did not.

280
00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:23,931
Well, lisa, you've called
friends on this couch

281
00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:25,433
that you've known for 10 years

282
00:11:25,452 --> 00:11:28,603
a ----ing piece of sh--
garbage whore,

283
00:11:28,622 --> 00:11:30,938
and I think I would rather be
called shrek every day than be

284
00:11:30,957 --> 00:11:32,824
called the horrible things...
-Tell everyone all the things

285
00:11:32,876 --> 00:11:34,442
you call me
and the lies you tell about me.

286
00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,544
...You said about your friend
of 10 years.

287
00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:42,550
♪♪♪

288
00:11:45,604 --> 00:11:48,440
♪♪♪

289
00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:50,558
I would rather be called shrek
every day than be called

290
00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,310
the horrible things...
-Tell everyone all the things

291
00:11:52,345 --> 00:11:53,978
you call me
and the lies you tell about me.

292
00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:55,680
...You said about your friend
of 10 years.

293
00:11:55,699 --> 00:11:56,781
That was in a rage in my room,
and we'll address that.

294
00:11:56,817 --> 00:11:58,650
You know what? I think
that's how you really feel,

295
00:11:58,685 --> 00:11:59,868
'cause it was so ugly.
-No, it's not.

296
00:11:59,903 --> 00:12:01,853
That doesn't come out in a rage.
But you can keep saying that

297
00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:03,405
-that is not--
-that is the lisa barlow that

298
00:12:03,457 --> 00:12:04,989
I've known from day one.
I'm glad you've finally

299
00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:06,157
revealed yourself.
-From day one since 2017.

300
00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:08,359
I said you're gonna reveal
yourself, and you finally did.

301
00:12:08,378 --> 00:12:10,245
-Okay, you've revealed yourself.
-The curtains were pulled back.

302
00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:11,246
Okay,
and you've revealed yourself.

303
00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:12,997
And that's who you are,
and it's very ugly.

304
00:12:13,032 --> 00:12:14,048
I knew that this was
gonna happen.

305
00:12:14,084 --> 00:12:15,133
-I had one moment--
-you did? Because you called

306
00:12:15,168 --> 00:12:17,085
your friend of 10 years...
-Wait. I'm still talking.

307
00:12:17,137 --> 00:12:18,253
...A ----ing piece of sh--
garbage whore.

308
00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,138
I'll stop talking until I can--

309
00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:21,723
and that's the smallest
of the things you've said,

310
00:12:21,758 --> 00:12:24,041
but I'm gonna, like,
preserve everyone's dignity

311
00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:25,643
and let you face that,
and I'm not gonna bring it up.

312
00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,228
Did you call her
a lego figurine?

313
00:12:27,264 --> 00:12:28,212
I never did.

314
00:12:28,231 --> 00:12:30,181
I got sent a picture
from their best friend

315
00:12:30,216 --> 00:12:32,734
that had her and said,
"this looks like heather."

316
00:12:32,769 --> 00:12:33,852
-I never said that.
-We saw the text.

317
00:12:33,887 --> 00:12:35,520
That's how we know that
that's what you said.

318
00:12:35,555 --> 00:12:37,772
I haven't said that.
I haven't said that,

319
00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:39,607
and I'll show you all of 'em.
-We've seen 'em.

320
00:12:39,659 --> 00:12:40,608
-I can show you all of 'em.
-We've seen 'em.

321
00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:41,743
-I can print it.
-Angie showed us everything,

322
00:12:41,778 --> 00:12:43,895
and it--it's exactly the way
you spoke of meredith--

323
00:12:43,914 --> 00:12:45,163
did she show you her husband
calling you trash

324
00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:46,798
and you trash and everything?
Okay.

325
00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:47,782
We've talked about all of it.

326
00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:49,000
We just spent a week in cabo
with her husband.

327
00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:51,068
Do you know what I think
is fascinating? Listen. Listen.

328
00:12:51,087 --> 00:12:52,504
Because they are
authentic people,

329
00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:54,071
and they only felt
that way about us

330
00:12:54,090 --> 00:12:55,072
because of the horrible things
you said, and now that

331
00:12:55,091 --> 00:12:56,841
we're all friends...
-I've never talked to them

332
00:12:56,877 --> 00:12:58,075
about you guys.
-...And we know how you

333
00:12:58,094 --> 00:12:59,744
really feel about everyone
on this stage...

334
00:12:59,763 --> 00:13:01,078
I have never talked to them
about you guys. I did not.

335
00:13:01,097 --> 00:13:02,413
-...You've been revealed, lisa.
-I did not.

336
00:13:02,432 --> 00:13:03,631
So own it. Own it,
or we cannot move forward.

337
00:13:03,683 --> 00:13:05,049
I will own what I didn't say
100%.

338
00:13:05,084 --> 00:13:07,752
-Is a lego figurine bad?
-She just meant because

339
00:13:07,771 --> 00:13:09,888
my body is, like, too square.
-It's body shaming.

340
00:13:09,923 --> 00:13:11,256
Body and fat shaming--
it's a big thing for her.

341
00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:12,857
No, I don't fat shame you
or body shame you.

342
00:13:12,893 --> 00:13:14,893
I think you look great, heather.

343
00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:17,228
Okay, I wanna get back
to jen's apology tour.

344
00:13:17,263 --> 00:13:18,897
Meredith,
after the apology to brooks,

345
00:13:18,932 --> 00:13:21,149
you seemed okay with jen.

346
00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:23,935
What made you pull away
from her again?

347
00:13:23,954 --> 00:13:27,655
First of all, what I would like
to accomplish today with jen

348
00:13:27,707 --> 00:13:30,208
is a peaceful space.

349
00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:32,827
I've been trying to get to that
peaceful space for a while.

350
00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:37,999
Right. And for starters,
I'd like to apologize to you

351
00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:40,117
for hurting you
and/or your family

352
00:13:40,136 --> 00:13:41,836
for anything that I said.

353
00:13:41,888 --> 00:13:43,671
Thank you.

354
00:13:43,723 --> 00:13:45,089
Oh.

355
00:13:45,124 --> 00:13:46,307
I... [sighs]

356
00:13:49,846 --> 00:13:52,180
[sniffles] sorry.

357
00:13:52,232 --> 00:13:53,765
Sorry. I-I just need
a moment, andy.

358
00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,800
I'm a little verklempt.
[sniffles]

359
00:13:55,836 --> 00:13:57,018
yeah.

360
00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:59,237
[crying]

361
00:13:59,272 --> 00:14:01,940
-what are you feeling right now?
-[exhales deeply] sorry.

362
00:14:01,975 --> 00:14:04,075
There's a lot more stuff
that went on

363
00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:06,444
that goes well beyond you, jen,
that I-I--

364
00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,614
I don't even know how I can
approach talking to you

365
00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:11,482
until I deal
with some other stuff.

366
00:14:11,501 --> 00:14:13,918
-Okay. Is it about brooks?
-[sighs]

367
00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:17,205
there was a lot going on
last winter

368
00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,624
that I could not talk about.

369
00:14:19,659 --> 00:14:21,826
I had told lisa that I had
some very serious issues

370
00:14:21,845 --> 00:14:23,995
well beyond
just losing my father,

371
00:14:24,014 --> 00:14:27,015
which was incredibly painful.

372
00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:28,833
The last time I saw my father

373
00:14:28,852 --> 00:14:31,636
was through a glass door
on a facetime

374
00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:33,855
because of covid.

375
00:14:33,890 --> 00:14:38,610
[sobbing]

376
00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:41,846
we had some very serious issues
going on in my family.

377
00:14:41,865 --> 00:14:44,449
[sniffles]
I couldn't get him buried.

378
00:14:44,484 --> 00:14:46,284
I couldn't get any peace.

379
00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:51,022
I was fighting incessantly
with my sister.

380
00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:53,491
I have a nephew
with mental health issues.

381
00:14:53,526 --> 00:14:55,293
[sniffles]
it wasn't my story to tell.

382
00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:57,528
I couldn't talk about it,

383
00:14:57,547 --> 00:15:01,165
and I was in a state
of immense, immense pain.

384
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,800
[sniffles]

385
00:15:02,836 --> 00:15:04,869
my fears, my reactions,

386
00:15:04,888 --> 00:15:10,008
everything was amplified
a million times over.

387
00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:14,045
I think every one of you,
anyone watching

388
00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,216
my behavior change
from season one to season two,

389
00:15:19,235 --> 00:15:22,987
I was insane by the end,
completely insane,

390
00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:27,325
because I was
emotionally devastated.

391
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,527
I-I totally understand,
and, meredith, honestly,

392
00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:32,997
when I saw you,
I saw myself a year ago

393
00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:38,036
with exactly how I responded
and reacted,

394
00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,871
because I was grieving,
and I didn't know,

395
00:15:39,906 --> 00:15:44,709
and I couldn't get better until
I went through all of that.

396
00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:47,412
Meredith, I'm curious,
as you watch the show back,

397
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,797
how did you feel about the way
that jen treated you?

398
00:15:49,849 --> 00:15:51,749
How did she treat you
this season?

399
00:15:51,768 --> 00:15:55,803
Seeing how everything unfolded
and the information

400
00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:59,641
that was given to jen,
or I should say misinformation,

401
00:15:59,693 --> 00:16:03,895
she was actually...Pretty kind
at the end of the day.

402
00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:06,597
Thank you for saying that.
With your marriage last year

403
00:16:06,616 --> 00:16:08,399
and then with your dad
and everything,

404
00:16:08,434 --> 00:16:11,819
I would kind of hold--hold back
because I...

405
00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,271
I know what it is
to be going through a lot,

406
00:16:14,290 --> 00:16:17,075
and you're not being
your normal true self.

407
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,410
You're reacting,
like you said, amplified.

408
00:16:19,445 --> 00:16:21,879
Do you think ultimately
she wound up treating you better

409
00:16:21,915 --> 00:16:23,381
this season than your friend?

410
00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,883
-Yes.
-Oh.

411
00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:28,052
I feel like in a weird way,
we're rewriting history, too.

412
00:16:28,088 --> 00:16:31,005
Like, I'm happy that you guys
are in a good place right now

413
00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:32,724
and you're talking,
but what's really weird to me

414
00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,844
is for the last year,
this has not been working.

415
00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:38,229
This has been disjointed,
horrible.

416
00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:39,463
And you've been
in the middle of it.

417
00:16:39,482 --> 00:16:40,848
Wait, wait, wait, why is this
being pointed out right now?

418
00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:41,933
And I've been
in the middle of it.

419
00:16:41,968 --> 00:16:43,568
And I've been in the middle
of it, and so to me,

420
00:16:43,603 --> 00:16:44,936
it just seems like
all of a sudden,

421
00:16:44,971 --> 00:16:47,355
we're, like, kumbaya.
"I understand you. I--"

422
00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:48,472
but I thought that's what
you wanted, though, right?

423
00:16:48,491 --> 00:16:50,141
No, I do,
but I know what I said,

424
00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,026
and I know it was horrible.
-Yeah.

425
00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:54,078
I know it was wrong.
What happened if we erased that?

426
00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:55,279
Like, what is everyone
gonna say?

427
00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:56,948
"oh, your character's so bad.
Oh, this."

428
00:16:56,983 --> 00:16:59,033
I know my character
in that moment was horrible

429
00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:00,818
because I said this. With this--
-you can erase that, lisa.

430
00:17:00,837 --> 00:17:01,853
-But wait, listen. It was--
-but what she just said

431
00:17:01,888 --> 00:17:04,055
about needing a friend--
-what I did was horrible.

432
00:17:04,090 --> 00:17:06,424
No, no, no, with what she said
about needing a friend...

433
00:17:06,459 --> 00:17:08,459
-I was there for her, though.
-What changed?

434
00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:10,428
I have to be perfect
all the time, or it's...

435
00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:13,131
I'm held to, like,
a different bar.

436
00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:17,351
♪♪♪

437
00:17:19,972 --> 00:17:21,139
♪♪♪

438
00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:22,857
and we are back

439
00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:25,943
with "the real housewives
of salt lake city" reunion.

440
00:17:25,979 --> 00:17:27,695
Okay, I wanna switch gears
for a minute.

441
00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:30,114
Jennie, tell me what it means

442
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:34,218
to be an immigrant woman
of color in salt lake city.

443
00:17:34,254 --> 00:17:37,488
It's very difficult because
growing up in long beach,

444
00:17:37,507 --> 00:17:38,673
there's a lot of diversity,

445
00:17:38,708 --> 00:17:42,376
and being an immigrant,
I have a very heavy accent,

446
00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:43,994
and people don't respect that
because, like,

447
00:17:44,013 --> 00:17:48,066
"you live in america. You need
to learn how to communicate."

448
00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:50,802
-I can communicate fine, okay?
-Clearly.

449
00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:51,836
-Yes.
-Just because I have an accent

450
00:17:51,855 --> 00:17:54,138
doesn't mean I don't know how
to communicate.

451
00:17:54,173 --> 00:17:55,673
Lisa is a long-time friend
of jennie's.

452
00:17:55,692 --> 00:17:59,010
What made you think
she'd be a fit in this group?

453
00:17:59,045 --> 00:18:01,345
Since we met
when our boys were little,

454
00:18:01,364 --> 00:18:02,346
I just thought
she was so fun and funny,

455
00:18:02,365 --> 00:18:05,850
and I loved when our families
got together.

456
00:18:05,869 --> 00:18:09,287
I mean, duy adjusted henry
at 2 weeks old. He's like,

457
00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,355
"this is good for babies."
he gave him a little adjustment.

458
00:18:11,374 --> 00:18:13,190
You sent your 2-year-old
for an adjustment?

459
00:18:13,209 --> 00:18:15,025
-Or 2-month-old.
-2 months old.

460
00:18:15,044 --> 00:18:16,461
-2-month-old?
-Yeah.

461
00:18:16,496 --> 00:18:17,361
-For an adjustment?
-Yeah, he got an adjustment.

462
00:18:17,380 --> 00:18:18,262
-Wow.
-Yeah.

463
00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:19,330
Meredith, what did you
think when jennie

464
00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:23,034
tried to get you and jen
to make up at ice fishing?

465
00:18:23,069 --> 00:18:24,869
Jen, do you wanna be friends
with her or not?

466
00:18:24,888 --> 00:18:26,170
Just tell me now. Do you wanna
be friends with her?

467
00:18:26,205 --> 00:18:27,305
Yes, jennie.

468
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:28,923
Do you wanna be friends
with her?

469
00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:30,708
Then you guys shut the [bleep]
up and listen to each other.

470
00:18:30,743 --> 00:18:32,043
Was she overstepping?

471
00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:34,145
Uh, it felt a little bit
that way.

472
00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:35,179
Jennie hadn't been there before,

473
00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:38,649
and she didn't fully understand
the situation,

474
00:18:38,685 --> 00:18:42,653
and she was, you know, very,
um...Uh...

475
00:18:42,689 --> 00:18:44,655
-She had a lot to say, yeah.
-Right.

476
00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:47,558
Jen, as--as someone who is
known for losing her temper,

477
00:18:47,577 --> 00:18:50,278
did jennie come in too hot?

478
00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:53,197
I appreciate
jennie's...Demeanor. [laughs]

479
00:18:53,232 --> 00:18:56,701
but that time, I was--I think
I said something to jennie,

480
00:18:56,736 --> 00:18:58,536
like, "you don't know
what's going on"

481
00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,538
or "you weren't here
when it happened."

482
00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:02,173
-yeah, she did.
-Heather and whitney,

483
00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:05,710
you accused lisa of pulling
the puppet strings this season.

484
00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:07,411
Do you think
lisa manipulated jennie

485
00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:09,747
into fighting
some of her battles?

486
00:19:09,766 --> 00:19:11,682
-Yeah, 100%.
-You do?

487
00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:15,920
I don't--no. I'm not her minion,
and when you guys said that

488
00:19:15,939 --> 00:19:19,140
at the "after show,"
I was taken aback.

489
00:19:19,192 --> 00:19:22,693
I love jennie, but I think
she's very, very loyal to lisa,

490
00:19:22,729 --> 00:19:26,314
and lisa likes her minions
to do her dirty work.

491
00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:31,602
I'm her friend, and she
will not control what I do.

492
00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:32,703
So when you guys said that,
I don't appreciate that.

493
00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:35,272
And I don't try to, either.
I would never try to.

494
00:19:35,291 --> 00:19:36,908
In fact, I was very careful

495
00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:38,543
bringing jennie
into this friend group,

496
00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:40,545
and I said,
"you've seen the show.

497
00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:44,048
You've seen our dynamic.
Make your own judgments

498
00:19:44,083 --> 00:19:46,083
and have
your own relationships."

499
00:19:46,118 --> 00:19:48,085
-so you had watched the show?
-Yes, I had watched the show.

500
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,589
But I would like to know
what make you think that lisa

501
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:55,176
has the power to tell me what
I should and should not do

502
00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:56,260
and do her dirty work?
-I never said lisa has the power

503
00:19:56,295 --> 00:19:57,678
to--to control you at all.

504
00:19:57,730 --> 00:20:00,064
I said I think jennie's
in a tough position

505
00:20:00,099 --> 00:20:02,767
'cause she is lisa's friend,
and lisa has expectations

506
00:20:02,802 --> 00:20:04,735
of her friends
that are very controlling.

507
00:20:04,771 --> 00:20:05,937
You're narrating me.
Don't do that.

508
00:20:05,972 --> 00:20:07,138
But you said
that I was her minion.

509
00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:08,356
You're narrating me.
Don't do that.

510
00:20:08,408 --> 00:20:09,607
-I'm not her minion.
-Don't narrate me.

511
00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:12,743
I was worried that you were
going to be motivated to do what

512
00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:14,111
she was manipulating you to do.

513
00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:15,580
What am I trying to make her do?

514
00:20:15,615 --> 00:20:16,948
What is--what do I need her
to do?

515
00:20:16,983 --> 00:20:18,082
-Jennie, do you not feel--
-when you need her,

516
00:20:18,117 --> 00:20:19,750
you're there for her,
and when you don't need her...

517
00:20:19,786 --> 00:20:20,668
-Yeah.
-...You dismiss her.

518
00:20:20,703 --> 00:20:22,787
And I think that
jennie probably felt that,

519
00:20:22,822 --> 00:20:24,822
but will never say it 'cause
she's a loyal, good friend.

520
00:20:24,841 --> 00:20:25,840
-Um--
-you know what you do?

521
00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:27,208
I wanna--I wanna say something
real quick here.

522
00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:28,426
-Okay.
-You know what you do?

523
00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:29,210
You talked to "bad weather"
right now?

524
00:20:29,262 --> 00:20:30,995
Yeah, I'm talking
to "bad weather."

525
00:20:31,014 --> 00:20:32,663
you like to say that,
"oh, that's..."

526
00:20:32,682 --> 00:20:33,831
-talking to me or "bad weather"?
-You say this to us or heather?

527
00:20:33,850 --> 00:20:35,049
-Both. Everybody here.
-That's--okay, great. Bring it.

528
00:20:35,101 --> 00:20:39,053
I don't want to nor do I control
anyone through manipulation

529
00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:41,939
or any other tactics.
I have no tactics.

530
00:20:41,975 --> 00:20:44,558
You guys use the word "minions"
so that if anyone stands up

531
00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:46,394
for me, they are the bad guy,
and I don't like that.

532
00:20:46,446 --> 00:20:49,063
I'm not saying that
for an advantage.

533
00:20:49,115 --> 00:20:50,815
I'm saying that because
I like jennie a lot.

534
00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:52,450
I know you don't like me,
so we should disparage me.

535
00:20:52,485 --> 00:20:54,151
I think she's a strong, smart,
powerful--

536
00:20:54,186 --> 00:20:55,786
-I like you, too, lisa.
-I want--I wanna hear from--

537
00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:57,021
I apologize
if I called you a minion.

538
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,955
I wanna hear from meredith
on this.

539
00:20:57,991 --> 00:20:59,073
I apologize that
we called you a minion.

540
00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:00,291
-Meredith, what do you think?
-Thank you very much.

541
00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:02,293
It's not the words. I feel like
it's a horrible situation.

542
00:21:02,328 --> 00:21:03,461
-I mean...
-Let's hear from meredith.

543
00:21:03,496 --> 00:21:06,330
I do think there is some level
of control that goes on

544
00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:12,003
more over lisa's own life
than the other person.

545
00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:14,205
It's not--it's more of what
you shouldn't be doing

546
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,407
to respect her space.

547
00:21:16,442 --> 00:21:17,642
I wanna talk
about something serious.

548
00:21:17,677 --> 00:21:23,180
This season mary made a lot
of racially insensitive remarks.

549
00:21:23,215 --> 00:21:27,818
Fans were all outraged.
We were all outraged.

550
00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:31,605
The words were ignorant,
intolerant, and hurtful.

551
00:21:31,658 --> 00:21:34,659
To lisa, about jen in vail,
she said...

552
00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:36,060
[voice breaking]
when I think about jen,

553
00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:39,397
I see a heartless...
I see a thug.

554
00:21:39,432 --> 00:21:43,134
You know those mexican people
that make all those drugs?

555
00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:46,237
Jennie, she talked
about your yellow tone.

556
00:21:46,272 --> 00:21:48,205
She talked about slanted eyes.

557
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,675
You look amazing as a blonde.
So does she.

558
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:54,078
You do have yellow tones.
I like the slanted eyes.

559
00:21:54,113 --> 00:21:55,346
Ah! Love it.

560
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:57,682
She imitated your accent.

561
00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,050
Jennie comes--
starts coming at me.

562
00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:00,084
[imitating asian accent]
"mary is lying.

563
00:22:00,103 --> 00:22:02,687
She said a lot of things
about you. We think--"

564
00:22:02,722 --> 00:22:05,639
-[normal voice] okay, sorry.
-No characters, please.

565
00:22:05,692 --> 00:22:07,858
I can't imagine...

566
00:22:07,894 --> 00:22:09,259
-It's hurtful.
-Yeah.

567
00:22:09,278 --> 00:22:10,594
Because she's a minority.
I'm a minority.

568
00:22:10,613 --> 00:22:12,863
We're supposed to support
each other.

569
00:22:12,899 --> 00:22:14,899
Have you experienced
that type of racism before?

570
00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:18,035
Yes. I grew up with this
every day.

571
00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:19,937
Especially now
with a lot of asian hate,

572
00:22:19,956 --> 00:22:23,207
every time I go,
I'm afraid for my life,

573
00:22:23,242 --> 00:22:25,076
because people will stalk me.

574
00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:26,627
People will be like,
"oh, you're the virus.

575
00:22:26,662 --> 00:22:28,162
You're this. You're that."

576
00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:32,049
I have kids that are dealing
with this right now.

577
00:22:32,085 --> 00:22:34,452
And for me, it's like,
if one day they watch the show

578
00:22:34,487 --> 00:22:38,589
and seeing their mom
being attacked,

579
00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:40,674
how are they gonna live
their life?

580
00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:44,962
Meredith, when mary imitated
jennie's asian accent at lunch,

581
00:22:44,981 --> 00:22:46,630
it seemed like you were
giving her a pass.

582
00:22:46,649 --> 00:22:50,267
What's your response to that
and what jennie just said?

583
00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:53,404
No, when--I assume when you
say defended her with jennie,

584
00:22:53,439 --> 00:22:56,857
you're talking about in zion
at the cinco de mayo? Is--

585
00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:59,610
no, at the luncheon,
when she made fun of my accent,

586
00:22:59,645 --> 00:23:01,779
you both sat there and laughed.

587
00:23:01,814 --> 00:23:03,030
I did not laugh.
It was a grimace.

588
00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:05,533
I was horrified
and uncomfortable.

589
00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:07,585
I said, "no characters"
because I was

590
00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:11,122
trying to give a reminder to her
that it was not okay.

591
00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:13,290
But then I felt that
at whitney's event--

592
00:23:13,325 --> 00:23:15,543
but then it was during
the confrontation, uh,

593
00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:18,829
at whitney's party,

594
00:23:18,848 --> 00:23:22,666
you were asked about
mary's "slanted eyes" comment,

595
00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:24,235
then stayed silent.

596
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:25,936
Did anyone else know
that's offensive?

597
00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:27,054
Really?

598
00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:30,307
I didn't know.
Is that offensive?

599
00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:32,560
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know that.

600
00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:35,479
-Why?
-So my understanding

601
00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:38,849
going into that moment was when
you're dealing with a comment

602
00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:43,454
that is prejudicial,
you are supposed to really look

603
00:23:43,489 --> 00:23:47,992
to the party affected by it
to get a cue.

604
00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:50,494
And if I could do it again,
I would have just said yes.

605
00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:52,913
The reason I didn't say yes
is because before I was asked,

606
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:57,635
"is it offensive?" jennie
responded to the same question,

607
00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:59,870
"is it offensive?"
mary had asked you,

608
00:23:59,889 --> 00:24:01,639
and you said,
"well, it's inappropriate."

609
00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:04,675
and I got very nervous that
I was not being respectful

610
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:05,810
of your own views,
and that's why--

611
00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:08,929
I did say it was very offensive.
I said it was racist,

612
00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:12,049
very offensive,
very inappropriate.

613
00:24:12,068 --> 00:24:13,217
You guys all heard it.

614
00:24:13,236 --> 00:24:14,384
-Mm-hmm.
-Yeah.

615
00:24:14,403 --> 00:24:16,320
To me,
it's a very discriminatory,

616
00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:19,390
racist kind of joke.

617
00:24:19,425 --> 00:24:21,442
It doesn't seem like there was
any question about whether

618
00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:24,612
what she said was wrong.
I mean...

619
00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:25,896
-A-agreed.
-You can't say "slanted."

620
00:24:25,915 --> 00:24:28,365
-I mean, it's...
-Yeah, it's horrible.

621
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,868
-It's terrible.
-Horrific.

622
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:34,505
Heather, you said that jennie
looked like an anime character.

623
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,241
You gotta see this.

624
00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:39,510
You look like
an anime character.

625
00:24:39,545 --> 00:24:40,711
-Like, you look gorgeous.
-She does.

626
00:24:40,746 --> 00:24:42,463
Yeah. You look surreal.

627
00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:45,850
It was not because you're asian,
which I realize,

628
00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:48,302
and it's terrible
that it came out that way,

629
00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:50,387
but you were wearing
a vinyl corset.

630
00:24:50,422 --> 00:24:54,225
You looked like a cartoon,
you know, drawn physical...

631
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:55,860
She looked gorgeous.

632
00:24:55,895 --> 00:24:57,194
...You know,
physically beautiful,

633
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:59,463
ridiculously overdesigned
anime character,

634
00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:02,199
like you looked like a cartoon,
and it was beautiful.

635
00:25:02,235 --> 00:25:03,534
No, that's the thing I have
is that I love the compliment.

636
00:25:03,569 --> 00:25:04,935
And I didn't mean it
to be asian.

637
00:25:04,954 --> 00:25:06,820
I just don't like
the labeling...

638
00:25:06,873 --> 00:25:08,539
I know. I shouldn't have
said that, and I'm sorry.

639
00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:10,407
...Of me as a minority,
a woman of color.

640
00:25:10,442 --> 00:25:11,458
-It wasn't okay, and I'm sorry.
-I'm curious, do you have any--

641
00:25:11,494 --> 00:25:16,380
as the season--as you saw
the season back, meredith,

642
00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:20,167
do you have any regrets
about going so hard for mary

643
00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:22,253
or not speaking up more?

644
00:25:22,288 --> 00:25:24,755
I definitely regret that moment
for sure.

645
00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:27,925
Um, and I did text jennie
a couple days later

646
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,959
to make sure she knew

647
00:25:28,978 --> 00:25:30,511
that I felt horribly

648
00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:31,896
that she had gone through that

649
00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:33,264
and that she had my support.

650
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:37,067
But I don't think I went
quite so hard in support

651
00:25:37,103 --> 00:25:39,937
as the interpretation
of it is.

652
00:25:39,972 --> 00:25:42,022
You're always there for mary.
You always defend her.

653
00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,975
Even if I say something to mary,
and I was like,

654
00:25:44,994 --> 00:25:46,360
"mary, I'm trying to open up
to you.

655
00:25:46,412 --> 00:25:48,862
I'm trying to talk to you"
when we went to zion,

656
00:25:48,915 --> 00:25:50,814
and we had that spa thing,
and she's like,

657
00:25:50,833 --> 00:25:53,650
"I'm not comfortable with that.
I don't even know you.

658
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:54,818
And you're just like,
"oh, okay."

659
00:25:54,837 --> 00:25:56,704
you should have been there
and said,

660
00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:57,821
"mary, she's trying to open up
to you.

661
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,790
She's trying to be nice to you."
why can't you give--

662
00:25:59,825 --> 00:26:01,542
I'm not her keeper, jennie.
She's an adult woman.

663
00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:03,928
But you are her friend.
You are her friend.

664
00:26:03,963 --> 00:26:05,062
She is an adult woman.
If she wants to walk away,

665
00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:07,164
she should walk away.
-Just because she's your friend,

666
00:26:07,183 --> 00:26:08,799
you don't turn a blind eye
and say, "oh, you can be rude

667
00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:11,218
to jennie. You can be rude to--"
-I feel like I stood up for you

668
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:13,304
every time she said something,
I stood up for you

669
00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:14,521
every time she came after you.
-Exactly, but I don't feel it

670
00:26:14,557 --> 00:26:16,724
from you at all, meredith. Every
time when it comes to mary--

671
00:26:16,776 --> 00:26:18,842
well, jennie, that's because
I felt under attack by you

672
00:26:18,878 --> 00:26:20,477
the entire season.

673
00:26:20,512 --> 00:26:25,065
♪♪♪

674
00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,703
-"you can be rude to--"
-I feel like I stood up for you

675
00:26:29,738 --> 00:26:32,172
every time she said something,
I stood up for you

676
00:26:32,208 --> 00:26:33,173
every time she came after you.
-Exactly, you did,

677
00:26:33,209 --> 00:26:35,042
but I don't feel it
from you at all, meredith.

678
00:26:35,077 --> 00:26:36,510
Every time when
it comes to mary--

679
00:26:36,545 --> 00:26:37,678
well, jennie,
maybe that's because

680
00:26:37,713 --> 00:26:39,713
I felt under attack by you
the entire season. You went--

681
00:26:39,748 --> 00:26:40,881
how did I attack you?

682
00:26:40,916 --> 00:26:43,183
Because you wouldn't--you had
made all these judgments

683
00:26:43,219 --> 00:26:45,085
and never once asked me
a question.

684
00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:46,220
What judgment did I make?
Point out one.

685
00:26:46,255 --> 00:26:48,138
Well, let's start out
with on the way to ice fishing

686
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:49,156
in the car with lisa.
-Okay.

687
00:26:49,191 --> 00:26:52,493
"I've known meredith
for a little while now."

688
00:26:52,528 --> 00:26:53,861
-excuse me.
-Your definition of

689
00:26:53,896 --> 00:26:54,645
"a little while"
and my definition...

690
00:26:54,697 --> 00:26:56,763
Don't cut me off, please,
jennie.

691
00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:58,065
...Of a "little while" is
two different definitions.

692
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:59,599
-You want me to speak or not?
-Okay, let her--let her finish.

693
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:00,784
"I've known meredith
for a little while,

694
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:03,570
and she tends to ice people out
when there's conflict."

695
00:27:03,605 --> 00:27:06,490
-I met you one week before.
-Mm-hmm.

696
00:27:06,542 --> 00:27:09,576
I don't know that meeting you
one week before at a party

697
00:27:09,611 --> 00:27:11,879
is quite enough time
to make a judgment

698
00:27:11,914 --> 00:27:13,947
on how I handle conflict.

699
00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:16,000
-Let's start there.
-Okay.

700
00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:20,754
Okay? You also decided to take
and misinterpret

701
00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:25,175
a lot of things I said
and create a lot of problems

702
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:27,227
between me and jen
where I thought we were

703
00:27:27,263 --> 00:27:28,962
in a peaceful spot momentarily.

704
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,766
You ----ing told me she hired
a private investigator

705
00:27:32,801 --> 00:27:35,069
to investigate me!
That's what you said!

706
00:27:35,104 --> 00:27:36,520
I never hired
a private investigator

707
00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:40,074
to investigate you.
I hired an investigator

708
00:27:40,109 --> 00:27:42,376
to investigate why my family
was receiving threats.

709
00:27:42,411 --> 00:27:44,194
You made this
into something it wasn't.

710
00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:47,247
You never asked me. You--
I saw you with your husband.

711
00:27:47,283 --> 00:27:48,649
"well, why wouldn't she
call the police?"

712
00:27:48,684 --> 00:27:51,085
if you get text messages,

713
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,538
do you go hire
a private investigator,

714
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:56,223
or you go file a report?

715
00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:58,792
Who hire a private investigator
to search this?

716
00:27:58,827 --> 00:28:00,544
Why didn't you ask me
if I called the police?

717
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:04,164
I have a police report, jennie.
I did call the police.

718
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:07,885
There was no benefit
of the doubt for me whatsoever.

719
00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:11,772
It was just...You made
your choices, and you went on.

720
00:28:11,807 --> 00:28:13,974
-Are you done?
-You didn't ask me.

721
00:28:14,009 --> 00:28:16,443
-Are you done?
-What else can we go to?

722
00:28:16,479 --> 00:28:18,645
Um...Let's see.

723
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,681
You are so offended
by mary's gift because

724
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,850
you thought it was used.

725
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:26,070
Do you understand that
it's insulting to give someone

726
00:28:26,122 --> 00:28:27,404
a used item?

727
00:28:27,456 --> 00:28:30,524
But they're not used.
They're brand-new.

728
00:28:30,543 --> 00:28:32,076
It wasn't meant for me, mary.

729
00:28:32,128 --> 00:28:35,129
Yet my husband received
used golf balls

730
00:28:35,164 --> 00:28:37,531
as a birthday present from you.

731
00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:39,750
Did you give her husband
used golf balls?

732
00:28:39,802 --> 00:28:40,867
-What?
-What?

733
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:43,337
-I gave you used golf balls?
-Yes.

734
00:28:43,372 --> 00:28:45,973
I'll donate them
to the clubhouse if you'd like.

735
00:28:46,008 --> 00:28:49,009
I don't know that
they're iconic enough.

736
00:28:49,044 --> 00:28:51,145
I have no idea.
My husband picked it out.

737
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:53,880
Okay. Danny from iowa city said,
"lisa, did it surprise<i> you</i>

738
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:57,768
to see meredith so tolerant
of mary's ignorance?"

739
00:28:57,820 --> 00:29:01,855
that's a great question. Let me
think how I wanna answer this.

740
00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:03,890
-It's yes or no.
-Um...

741
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:05,993
-[chuckles]
-I was shocked

742
00:29:06,028 --> 00:29:09,696
that meredith wasn't more vocal,
but I do know that

743
00:29:09,731 --> 00:29:14,535
meredith does not like
unacceptable behaviors,

744
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:16,954
so I was shocked
that she wasn't as vocal

745
00:29:17,006 --> 00:29:18,872
as I normally would expect
meredith to be.

746
00:29:18,907 --> 00:29:20,340
Jennie--

747
00:29:20,376 --> 00:29:22,292
can I speak to that
for one second?

748
00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:25,012
-Yes.
-You know, there's a lot that--

749
00:29:25,047 --> 00:29:27,297
every relationship has
a different dynamic,

750
00:29:34,723 --> 00:29:35,022
I guess d is it
if you don't cal

751
00:29:36,225 --> 00:29:38,192
in fronte other women
or on camera?

752
00:29:38,227 --> 00:29:42,262
Because then here we are having
a misrepresentation of you.

753
00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:45,932
Well, there's plenty on camera.
There's plenty on camera.

754
00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:49,036
Jennie, akilah from l.A. Said,

755
00:29:49,071 --> 00:29:50,938
"we all agree that mary was
wrong for mocking your accent.

756
00:29:50,973 --> 00:29:54,441
When are you gonna address,
take accountability,

757
00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:56,543
and apologize for the fact

758
00:29:56,579 --> 00:29:59,446
that<i> you</i> constantly used
a blaccent?

759
00:29:59,482 --> 00:30:01,915
You roll your neck
and you wag your finger

760
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:05,385
and other stereotypical
depictions of black women

761
00:30:05,421 --> 00:30:07,688
when you talk to or about mary."

762
00:30:07,723 --> 00:30:09,256
okay, can we stop
and have some fun?

763
00:30:09,291 --> 00:30:10,724
Shut the [bleep] up
and let's go!

764
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,527
-Don't ever use that word again.
-This is how I talk.

765
00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:15,429
If you don't like it,
you don't have to listen.

766
00:30:15,464 --> 00:30:16,797
Oh, wow.

767
00:30:16,832 --> 00:30:18,065
She is full of sh--.
No, mary.

768
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,799
-So do you believe that, right?
-Unh-unh, I sat next to you.

769
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,035
-What?
-You talk about her...

770
00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:23,270
-I sure did
-...As much as we did.

771
00:30:23,305 --> 00:30:24,471
Don't lie, mary. Don't lie.

772
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,441
No, you ----ing shut up!
Don't tell me to shut up, okay?

773
00:30:29,512 --> 00:30:30,811
I asked you about it on
"watch what happens live."

774
00:30:30,846 --> 00:30:32,479
-yeah.
-And it just kept coming up.

775
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:33,947
-Mm-hmm.
-So I mean...

776
00:30:33,982 --> 00:30:36,416
I don't see
I have a black accent.

777
00:30:36,452 --> 00:30:37,751
Okay.

778
00:30:37,786 --> 00:30:40,153
I grew up
in long beach, california.

779
00:30:40,189 --> 00:30:43,123
It shaped who I am.
That's where I get my accent.

780
00:30:43,158 --> 00:30:44,758
And I don't understand
why people look at me and say

781
00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:46,877
when I talk to mary,
I have a black accent.

782
00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:48,762
I don't see that.
Do you guys see that?

783
00:30:48,797 --> 00:30:51,164
Do you guys see
I have a black accent?

784
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,551
I have an accent.
Whatever comes out, comes out.

785
00:30:54,603 --> 00:30:57,471
Jennie, you threw a glass
at mary.

786
00:30:57,506 --> 00:30:59,139
Run away, mary!
Run the [bleep] away

787
00:30:59,174 --> 00:31:02,943
because you don't have
nothing...

788
00:31:02,978 --> 00:31:05,445
Is that a little bit
hypocritical to reprimand mary

789
00:31:05,481 --> 00:31:07,314
for being violent
with her words

790
00:31:07,349 --> 00:31:10,484
when you were violent
with your actions?

791
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:11,952
I didn't throw it at mary.
I threw it on the floor.

792
00:31:11,987 --> 00:31:12,886
-Okay.
-It didn't hit mary.

793
00:31:12,922 --> 00:31:14,354
If I wanna hit mary,
I would've hit mary.

794
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,956
Okay. Let me ask you this.

795
00:31:15,991 --> 00:31:17,624
-Do you like mary?
-No.

796
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:19,192
-Okay.
-[laughs]

797
00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,194
the reason why I don't like
her--because she didn't like me.

798
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:22,863
-Okay.
-I have a comment right here.

799
00:31:22,898 --> 00:31:24,581
-Okay.
-So when we were all together

800
00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:27,801
when we went tubing, I think
you just went in really hot,

801
00:31:27,836 --> 00:31:30,771
and mary, I feel like,
was, like, whoa.

802
00:31:30,806 --> 00:31:32,372
Like, you came in too strong.
That's what I'm saying.

803
00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:33,423
But it wasn't toward mary.

804
00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:35,842
I said, "shut the [bleep] up
and have some fun."

805
00:31:35,877 --> 00:31:37,311
-and then she told--
-I know, but if you're a guest

806
00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:39,396
at somewhere and you're like,
"shut the [bleep] up

807
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:41,515
and have some fun," and you're
like, "who the hell's this?"

808
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:42,849
but I apologized to her
when I did her makeup.

809
00:31:42,885 --> 00:31:44,484
-Hey, it doesn't matter.
-I apologized.

810
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,819
-It doesn't matter.
-She won't let it go.

811
00:31:45,854 --> 00:31:47,955
It's mary m. Cosby. Once...

812
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:50,724
And then it didn't stop there.
She keep--continue.

813
00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:52,025
It didn't stop there,
and there's a part of me

814
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,444
that thinks that there's
something in mary

815
00:31:54,496 --> 00:31:56,896
that is racist
because it didn't stop there,

816
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,333
and it seemed to always
come up.

817
00:31:59,368 --> 00:32:01,401
I did speak to her, uh,
last week,

818
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:04,638
and she told me
that she didn't think that

819
00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:07,291
black people were capable
of being racist.

820
00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:11,211
They are. Everyone is capable
of being racist.

821
00:32:11,246 --> 00:32:15,182
♪♪♪

822
00:32:15,217 --> 00:32:18,101
uh, we need to take a break.
We'll be right back.

823
00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,541
Well, to be fair,
all housewives stir the pot

824
00:32:24,593 --> 00:32:27,761
from time to time,
but this season, it seemed

825
00:32:27,796 --> 00:32:31,331
that one or two women
were putting some extra muscle

826
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:33,767
into mixing up the mess.

827
00:32:33,802 --> 00:32:35,636
Watch this.

828
00:32:35,671 --> 00:32:37,738
I wanna have some fun,
get everyone together.

829
00:32:37,773 --> 00:32:39,139
We're gonna gamble for charity.

830
00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:41,408
-Oh, I love that.
-Whitney's gonna be there.

831
00:32:41,443 --> 00:32:42,342
Do you and whitney
have an issue?

832
00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:44,945
I don't have an issue.

833
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:46,730
With the party,
there's been a hiccup.

834
00:32:46,782 --> 00:32:50,951
We've been asked to host
events at the restaurant

835
00:32:50,986 --> 00:32:52,786
by lisa's assistant.

836
00:32:52,821 --> 00:32:55,789
-"we can't do your event."
-lisa's sabotaging you.

837
00:32:55,824 --> 00:32:59,626
I see [bleep] getting gifts
from our friend group

838
00:32:59,662 --> 00:33:01,128
on social media.

839
00:33:01,163 --> 00:33:03,580
Lisa, why would you ask
if her feelings were hurt?

840
00:33:03,632 --> 00:33:05,865
-Oh, my gosh.
-You're planting a seed

841
00:33:05,884 --> 00:33:07,084
from the beginning.
-No, I'm not. I wasn't.

842
00:33:07,136 --> 00:33:08,218
The reason you planted a bug

843
00:33:08,253 --> 00:33:09,903
in jen's ear against me
and invited me and not her--

844
00:33:09,938 --> 00:33:11,538
I didn't plant a bug in her ear.

845
00:33:11,557 --> 00:33:13,090
Don't accuse me
of doing something I didn't do.

846
00:33:13,142 --> 00:33:14,091
-All right.
-[whispers] wow.

847
00:33:14,143 --> 00:33:15,208
By a show of hands,

848
00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:19,346
who thinks lisa is
the pot stirrer in the group?

849
00:33:21,684 --> 00:33:25,268
I'm, like, right here.

850
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,937
-And I think there's...
-Don't raise your hand, jennie.

851
00:33:26,989 --> 00:33:28,055
...More than one.

852
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:29,322
You think there's more than one?

853
00:33:29,358 --> 00:33:32,058
One's on that couch, and then
one's on this couch. [laughs]

854
00:33:32,077 --> 00:33:34,895
I think that--I think that
lisa does a brilliant job

855
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,698
of stirring the pot,
and I always take the baton.

856
00:33:37,733 --> 00:33:40,667
Why do you think lisa?
You raised your hand for lisa.

857
00:33:40,703 --> 00:33:42,002
I'll be real honest.

858
00:33:42,037 --> 00:33:44,204
I feel like I was played
a fool.

859
00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:45,739
-Played a fool.
-So do I.

860
00:33:45,758 --> 00:33:46,840
-So do you?
-So do I.

861
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:51,261
-Who played you for a fool?
-We'll talk about it.

862
00:33:51,296 --> 00:33:54,581
Jill from marlboro, new jersey,
said, "lisa, how do you explain

863
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,250
the timeline
of the catering debacle?

864
00:33:57,286 --> 00:33:59,186
They were committed
to angie's party.

865
00:33:59,221 --> 00:34:01,688
Your assistant called.
Then they pulled out.

866
00:34:01,724 --> 00:34:03,473
Did you or did you not

867
00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:05,192
have your assistant
call the caterer?"

868
00:34:05,227 --> 00:34:06,860
I got a call
from the caterers,

869
00:34:06,895 --> 00:34:09,730
and they were like,
"lisa's assistant called,

870
00:34:09,765 --> 00:34:12,065
and we--we can't do it
anymore.

871
00:34:12,101 --> 00:34:14,334
We have to pull out
of your event."

872
00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:17,170
no, I did not, because
I don't have an assistant

873
00:34:17,206 --> 00:34:19,322
that would call
angie's caterers.

874
00:34:19,374 --> 00:34:21,441
-Okay, you have seven lawyers.
-My people work for vida.

875
00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:24,544
-I do have that.
-[laughter]

876
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:26,780
-okay.
-So let's talk about timeline.

877
00:34:26,799 --> 00:34:28,832
-Okay. Oh, boy.
-They're all right here.

878
00:34:28,884 --> 00:34:30,667
-Okay.
-I have all the receipts.

879
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,118
I wanna hear lisa
defend herself.

880
00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:33,887
-Yeah, okay.
-Lisa--yeah, I would love to.

881
00:34:33,922 --> 00:34:36,506
Because I also saw the texts
on angie's phone.

882
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:37,974
And angie's the only person
that has stood up to you

883
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:40,927
and not con-conspired with you
before--

884
00:34:40,962 --> 00:34:42,128
-hold on. This is a message--
-that's not the first person

885
00:34:42,147 --> 00:34:43,180
that was real and authentic
and absolutely close to you.

886
00:34:43,232 --> 00:34:46,900
This is a text from angie.
She says, "would you guys

887
00:34:46,935 --> 00:34:50,103
be interested in catering
an event? It'll be on tv.

888
00:34:50,138 --> 00:34:52,689
It's a secret," and they said,
"of course. We'd love to.

889
00:34:52,741 --> 00:34:55,609
Heads up. Lisa reached out to us
to come to the restaurant

890
00:34:55,644 --> 00:34:57,477
to shoot as well."

891
00:34:57,513 --> 00:35:00,480
they said, "I'm not sure
we can do multiple shoots,

892
00:35:00,516 --> 00:35:02,582
but I think so."
-yep.

893
00:35:02,618 --> 00:35:05,719
And then they say,
"don't tell lisa."

894
00:35:05,754 --> 00:35:08,088
-yeah, that was weird.
-That was angie said...

895
00:35:08,123 --> 00:35:09,322
-Yeah.
-..."don't tell lisa."

896
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,590
yeah.

897
00:35:10,626 --> 00:35:13,627
Okay. So why did she not
want to tell?

898
00:35:13,662 --> 00:35:15,929
-I don't know.
-I have an answer for that.

899
00:35:15,964 --> 00:35:17,230
-Okay.
-I do, too.

900
00:35:17,266 --> 00:35:19,266
Angie asked them
not to tell lisa

901
00:35:19,301 --> 00:35:21,635
because production asked her--
they didn't want her to know

902
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:23,053
that angie was getting
the first event.

903
00:35:23,105 --> 00:35:24,337
-Okay.
-And that right there is true.

904
00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:27,173
'cause that would have sent her
to a tailspin, which it did.

905
00:35:27,192 --> 00:35:28,441
No, no, no, no, no. It did not
send me in a tailspin,

906
00:35:28,477 --> 00:35:29,476
because none of us
were getting along.

907
00:35:29,511 --> 00:35:31,394
-It was the right move.
-None of that's true.

908
00:35:31,446 --> 00:35:37,017
What would have been her motive
in sabotaging this for angie?

909
00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:38,785
Angie and I connect.
That's motive.

910
00:35:38,821 --> 00:35:40,120
-Okay.
-No, that's not.

911
00:35:40,155 --> 00:35:42,455
There's no motive.
I don't do things like that.

912
00:35:42,491 --> 00:35:43,323
I would never do that.

913
00:35:43,358 --> 00:35:45,191
Lisa asked angie
to not be my friend.

914
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:47,244
Don't follow me on social media.
Don't acknowledge her.

915
00:35:47,296 --> 00:35:48,829
We've seen the receipts.

916
00:35:48,864 --> 00:35:50,997
She doesn't--she doesn't
like that we're friends.

917
00:35:51,032 --> 00:35:54,251
No. She asked me to not
acknowledge you as my cousin.

918
00:35:54,303 --> 00:35:55,702
♪♪♪

919
00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:56,970
do you know what I said?
You're twisting it.

920
00:35:57,005 --> 00:35:59,005
-I said, "don't claim her."
-but I'm not twisting it. I'm--

921
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,206
because she said, "I just found
out from watching the show..."

922
00:36:00,225 --> 00:36:01,808
-those are...Those are...
-"...That whitney is my cousin."

923
00:36:01,844 --> 00:36:03,410
you also called us--

924
00:36:03,445 --> 00:36:04,878
you called us inbred
polygamist cousins, lisa.

925
00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:06,045
And I'm a snarky bitch
and I said, "don't claim her."

926
00:36:06,064 --> 00:36:07,280
because they don't go
to the same--

927
00:36:07,316 --> 00:36:08,214
clearly, you think that
us being--

928
00:36:08,233 --> 00:36:11,050
did you call them
inbred polygamist cousins?

929
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,553
I do not buy angie and whitney
being close now

930
00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:15,605
because they're like these
inbred polygamy cousins.

931
00:36:15,657 --> 00:36:18,825
-It's, like, weird.
-I did.

932
00:36:18,861 --> 00:36:21,611
Yeah, so okay, so then why are
you defending yourself now?

933
00:36:21,663 --> 00:36:24,731
So why would she try to sabotage
her friend of 20 years?

934
00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:27,066
Because angie knows all
of her deepest, darkest secrets,

935
00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:28,618
to protect herself.
-Um, insane.

936
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:31,237
Lisa, I have a question for you.
May I ask you a question?

937
00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:33,072
That on casino night,

938
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:35,959
when you ran into this problem
with angie,

939
00:36:36,011 --> 00:36:38,128
do you feel that I had
your back enough for you?

940
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:40,580
I do feel like you had my back.
I do.

941
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:42,883
When you take a step back,
can you at least see that

942
00:36:42,918 --> 00:36:45,385
the timeline and cadence
of all of the events...

943
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:46,469
-No.
-...Look--you can't?

944
00:36:46,521 --> 00:36:47,971
No, I cannot because I did not--
100% did not do it.

945
00:36:48,023 --> 00:36:48,889
And you cannot take
accountability

946
00:36:48,924 --> 00:36:50,473
for being territorial
and controlling?

947
00:36:50,525 --> 00:36:52,025
We're never gonna agree
on it, lisa.

948
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:53,259
-'cause you're wrong.
-They were buried

949
00:36:53,278 --> 00:36:54,110
in a text message, andy,
and they said--

950
00:36:54,146 --> 00:36:55,612
and jennie's evidence of it,
honestly.

951
00:36:55,647 --> 00:36:56,763
-They explained it all.
-Evidence of what?

952
00:36:56,782 --> 00:36:57,764
They think--they're thinking
me and angie are friends.

953
00:36:57,783 --> 00:36:58,448
-You'll see. Just wait.
-They explained it.

954
00:36:58,483 --> 00:36:59,566
They volunteer and all queue up.

955
00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:00,734
We all have been through it,
jennie. It's horrible.

956
00:37:00,769 --> 00:37:04,654
Yes. Heather, you and lisa
developed a close relationship

957
00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:06,573
towards the end of the season.
-Yeah.

958
00:37:06,608 --> 00:37:09,459
But you know, you've also become
good friends with angie.

959
00:37:09,494 --> 00:37:12,278
They just celebrated angie's
birthday--her 40th--in cabo.

960
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:14,497
How does that make you feel
that they're all just--

961
00:37:14,549 --> 00:37:15,665
I'm happy that
they're all friends.

962
00:37:15,717 --> 00:37:17,050
-Oh, okay.
-It was a phenomenal trip.

963
00:37:17,085 --> 00:37:19,386
We were on a yacht
that chris actually paid for

964
00:37:19,421 --> 00:37:21,922
and didn't just front pictures
on like you like to do.

965
00:37:21,957 --> 00:37:22,839
I pay for my stuff.
Are you kidding?

966
00:37:22,891 --> 00:37:24,090
We went to cabo.
Everything was paid for.

967
00:37:24,125 --> 00:37:27,093
I pay for my stuff. Are you
insulting john barlow right now?

968
00:37:27,128 --> 00:37:28,678
It's the life
that you pretend to have

969
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:32,065
that angie actually has,
and we enjoyed the spoils of it.

970
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,533
Oh, my gosh. She is so horrible.

971
00:37:33,568 --> 00:37:34,601
-Okay. Meredith--
-you know what?

972
00:37:34,636 --> 00:37:35,819
I have dirt on you, lisa,
and I hold it all back,

973
00:37:35,854 --> 00:37:38,571
but I won't hold it back any
longer if you wanna go there.

974
00:37:38,607 --> 00:37:39,906
What about your dui?
You're such--

975
00:37:39,942 --> 00:37:41,574
-you have great character.
-You wanna go there?

976
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:42,642
-I don't have one. Look it up.
-Yes, you do. I did look it up.

977
00:37:42,661 --> 00:37:43,977
-It's a lie.
-All right, okay.

978
00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:44,978
Yeah, you do. You're a liar.
This is so insane.

979
00:37:44,997 --> 00:37:47,030
-It's not insane, lisa.
-It's not. We posed.

980
00:37:47,082 --> 00:37:48,531
We know you,
and we love you as you are.

981
00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:49,866
-Oh, my gosh.
-And we want you

982
00:37:49,918 --> 00:37:51,618
to have all of that
for yourself.

983
00:37:51,653 --> 00:37:53,036
-I do have it for myself.
-You don't have to fake it

984
00:37:53,088 --> 00:37:54,120
until you get there.
-I don't fake anything.

985
00:37:54,155 --> 00:37:56,256
-Lisa, you do. It's okay.
-Honestly, I-I fake a lot.

986
00:37:56,291 --> 00:37:58,491
-If you can just pivot...
-Do you want my k-1s?

987
00:37:58,510 --> 00:37:59,592
-...We will support you.
-You love her as she is?

988
00:37:59,628 --> 00:38:03,129
I liked her more when I saw
her true self show up

989
00:38:03,164 --> 00:38:04,264
than I've ever liked her.
-She doesn't know me.

990
00:38:04,299 --> 00:38:06,299
Because I don't wanna be friends
with a caricature

991
00:38:06,334 --> 00:38:09,219
of some, you know, teen magazine
she read in eighth grade

992
00:38:09,271 --> 00:38:10,937
that said,
"how to be a cool mean girl."

993
00:38:10,973 --> 00:38:16,776
♪♪♪

994
00:38:18,446 --> 00:38:19,913
you love her as she is?

995
00:38:19,948 --> 00:38:23,516
I liked her more when I saw
her true self show up...

996
00:38:23,535 --> 00:38:24,951
-She doesn't know me.
-...Than I ever liked her.

997
00:38:24,987 --> 00:38:26,185
-Yeah.
-Because I don't wanna be

998
00:38:26,204 --> 00:38:29,155
friends with a caricature of
some, you know, teen magazine

999
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:30,690
she read in eighth grade
that said,

1000
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:32,525
"how to be a cool mean girl."

1001
00:38:32,561 --> 00:38:35,195
okay. All right, okay,
let's move on.

1002
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:36,863
Monica from south dakota said,

1003
00:38:36,898 --> 00:38:38,131
"jen, why do you think
lisa mentioned

1004
00:38:38,166 --> 00:38:40,667
your former dress designer
on the show?

1005
00:38:40,702 --> 00:38:42,085
Do you think she wanted
to humiliate you,

1006
00:38:42,137 --> 00:38:44,137
or was she worried whitney
was being a bad friend

1007
00:38:44,172 --> 00:38:46,339
by sending him
free skincare products?"

1008
00:38:46,374 --> 00:38:47,774
-no.
-What I thought that--

1009
00:38:47,809 --> 00:38:51,811
in that moment was
that she wanted me to know

1010
00:38:51,847 --> 00:38:55,214
that whitney is not
a good person.

1011
00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:56,399
This is about my business,
so I want to clear this up.

1012
00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:57,984
This is not about your business.
I wanna just explain this.

1013
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:59,602
Yeah, you need to--
you need to say.

1014
00:38:59,654 --> 00:39:00,937
-So I'll wait.
-Well, so does she.

1015
00:39:00,989 --> 00:39:02,722
At the time,
he was working for jen.

1016
00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:05,658
We thought he was
jen's, like, ride or die.

1017
00:39:05,694 --> 00:39:08,445
That was prior
to the leak of the audio.

1018
00:39:08,497 --> 00:39:11,281
Once it all came out,
I sent them a screenshot

1019
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:12,899
of what was out there,

1020
00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:14,200
and I said, "please do not
respond back to him,"

1021
00:39:14,235 --> 00:39:15,902
and my team never did again.

1022
00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:16,903
My intention is bringing it up
was I was like--

1023
00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:20,040
-stir the point.
-You're holding me to a standard

1024
00:39:20,075 --> 00:39:21,708
but why is it okay
for them to, you know...

1025
00:39:21,743 --> 00:39:23,126
-Explain my horrible behavior.
-That was my intention.

1026
00:39:23,178 --> 00:39:24,377
-It wasn't--
-right.

1027
00:39:24,412 --> 00:39:25,512
I didn't wanna hurt
or disparage,

1028
00:39:25,547 --> 00:39:28,181
and I was also, like,
questioning

1029
00:39:28,216 --> 00:39:31,351
my friendship with jen because,
like, I was feeling like,

1030
00:39:31,386 --> 00:39:32,268
hey, we talk all the time.
-That's why you did it.

1031
00:39:32,304 --> 00:39:33,586
'cause you were
questioning your control.

1032
00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:34,554
-No. No. And--
-and you wanted to--

1033
00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:35,688
-no, it's not about control.
-You wanted to

1034
00:39:35,724 --> 00:39:36,806
put her in her place.
-I wanna know what jen believes.

1035
00:39:36,858 --> 00:39:39,142
-It's not about control.
-What do you believe?

1036
00:39:39,194 --> 00:39:40,693
Well, I felt like the reason
lisa told me was, like,

1037
00:39:40,729 --> 00:39:43,146
"jen, why are you friends
with whitney?

1038
00:39:43,198 --> 00:39:46,649
She's not your friend.
She's talking to this person,

1039
00:39:46,701 --> 00:39:49,102
and he's an ambassador."
-I was asking you why you--

1040
00:39:49,121 --> 00:39:50,703
I was asking you, like,
the difference,

1041
00:39:50,739 --> 00:39:52,572
like why are you, like, so upset
with me for bringing it up?

1042
00:39:52,607 --> 00:39:53,990
You said, "I think people
need to defend you..."

1043
00:39:54,042 --> 00:39:55,208
do you think the motive
was to stir the pot, jen?

1044
00:39:55,243 --> 00:39:57,243
..."and you're not being
defended," and jen told me that

1045
00:39:57,278 --> 00:39:58,411
she texted you before and said,
"don't mention his name,

1046
00:39:58,446 --> 00:39:59,546
no matter what."
-no. No.

1047
00:39:59,581 --> 00:40:01,614
-We talked the day before.
-Which is what you always do

1048
00:40:01,633 --> 00:40:03,500
before anyone films with you.
You make sure everyone knows

1049
00:40:03,552 --> 00:40:04,667
what they're supposed to say
or not say.

1050
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,669
You keep, like, saying what you
thought in the moment.

1051
00:40:06,721 --> 00:40:08,121
I wonder what you think now.

1052
00:40:08,156 --> 00:40:12,192
Um, what I think now
after I saw the vail episodes?

1053
00:40:12,227 --> 00:40:13,927
I was extremely hurt,

1054
00:40:13,962 --> 00:40:16,563
and now I know why
lisa didn't answer the phone.

1055
00:40:16,598 --> 00:40:17,764
Do you think that her intention
was to create beef between us?

1056
00:40:17,799 --> 00:40:19,432
-Why? What do you mean?
-Absolutely.

1057
00:40:19,467 --> 00:40:21,801
What do you mean?
Jen, what do you mean, now that

1058
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:24,237
you've seen the episodes
you get why she didn't call you?

1059
00:40:24,272 --> 00:40:26,272
Because you see what she was
saying behind your back

1060
00:40:26,307 --> 00:40:27,607
after you were arrested?

1061
00:40:27,642 --> 00:40:29,075
I didn't think that
lisa would ever do that.

1062
00:40:29,111 --> 00:40:32,145
I-I defended lisa adamantly
about...

1063
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:33,446
-Lisa would ever do what?
-To talk to her.

1064
00:40:33,481 --> 00:40:35,248
Say exactums.
I wanna hear exactly.

1065
00:40:35,283 --> 00:40:37,884
-Well, there's a whole part of--
-well, lisa would be two-faced,

1066
00:40:37,919 --> 00:40:39,285
and, like...
-That isn't two-faced.

1067
00:40:39,321 --> 00:40:41,204
-That is two-faced.
-I was going through a lot.

1068
00:40:41,256 --> 00:40:43,923
-I didn't mean to be.
-So jack and henry did

1069
00:40:43,959 --> 00:40:45,324
the guest list for your event.
-Yes, they did.

1070
00:40:45,343 --> 00:40:49,462
Right? I wanna know why they
would invite whitney

1071
00:40:49,497 --> 00:40:51,548
but not invite jen.

1072
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,715
They didn't invite whitney.
I did.

1073
00:40:52,767 --> 00:40:54,000
-Okay.
-I added whitney on.

1074
00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:55,101
-You did.
-Last minute.

1075
00:40:55,137 --> 00:40:57,637
I called whitney and said--
I was thinking, like,

1076
00:40:57,672 --> 00:41:00,006
I'm extending an olive branch,
and then she can see me

1077
00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:03,810
being a mother and who I
really am and who I'm raising,

1078
00:41:03,845 --> 00:41:07,013
because that's my character.
That's who I am.

1079
00:41:07,032 --> 00:41:08,181
-And so--
-I'm raising two amazing kids,

1080
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,883
and I'm a great mother.
-Lisa, lisa, your character--

1081
00:41:09,918 --> 00:41:12,318
-why not invite jen?
-Um, I don't want you

1082
00:41:12,353 --> 00:41:14,454
to talk about my character.
-Why not invite jen?

1083
00:41:14,489 --> 00:41:15,855
-I'm going to.
-At the kids--

1084
00:41:15,874 --> 00:41:18,074
at the photo shoot, I had
a lot of emotions, right?

1085
00:41:18,126 --> 00:41:21,661
Because jen and I got
really hot.

1086
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:24,080
-Yeah.
-And--and I was sitting there,

1087
00:41:24,132 --> 00:41:26,082
and I'm like, I messed up.
I mentioned somebody's name,

1088
00:41:26,134 --> 00:41:28,367
and I felt horrible for it.

1089
00:41:28,386 --> 00:41:30,803
And then when we left,
jen called me,

1090
00:41:30,839 --> 00:41:32,705
and we got into it
all over again,

1091
00:41:32,724 --> 00:41:34,424
and I actually thought that was
gonna be the last time

1092
00:41:34,476 --> 00:41:36,209
I talked to jen shah.

1093
00:41:36,228 --> 00:41:37,760
-Wow.
-And henry heard it,

1094
00:41:37,812 --> 00:41:39,646
and he was crying,
and he was like,

1095
00:41:39,681 --> 00:41:41,648
"mommy, you're a great mommy.
You're a great person"

1096
00:41:41,683 --> 00:41:43,382
and hugging me...

1097
00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:45,785
[voice breaking]
because I was very upset.

1098
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:47,103
-And I love jen shah.
-At 2 a.M. In the morning,

1099
00:41:47,155 --> 00:41:48,321
in the car, he was hugging you?

1100
00:41:48,356 --> 00:41:50,056
As controversial as that is,
I do, and I was very upset.

1101
00:41:50,075 --> 00:41:51,391
You don't have to add,

1102
00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:52,792
"as controversial as that is
to love jen shah."

1103
00:41:52,827 --> 00:41:53,943
it is controversial.
Get out of it.

1104
00:41:53,995 --> 00:41:55,695
Oh, it is? It's controversial
for me to love you, too.

1105
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:56,696
-Okay, I know--
-leave that sh-- out.

1106
00:41:56,731 --> 00:41:58,831
Either love me or don't love me,
but I'm tired

1107
00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:01,668
of all the disclaimers
when it comes to jen shah.

1108
00:42:01,703 --> 00:42:03,002
It's bullsh--.

1109
00:42:03,038 --> 00:42:07,507
♪♪♪

1110
00:42:07,542 --> 00:42:10,126
<i> next week,</i>
<i> the reunion continues.</i>

1111
00:42:10,178 --> 00:42:11,144
♪♪♪

1112
00:42:11,179 --> 00:42:14,964
who here has received
mean texts from mary?

1113
00:42:15,016 --> 00:42:17,050
-Everyone except you.
-Yeah. I didn't get the text.

1114
00:42:17,085 --> 00:42:18,851
Right, she probably blocked
your number.

1115
00:42:18,887 --> 00:42:20,853
She just said it
to you in person.

1116
00:42:20,889 --> 00:42:23,640
Cameron was on a path
for spiritual healing.

1117
00:42:23,692 --> 00:42:26,142
He told me that he had
a relationship with her.

1118
00:42:26,194 --> 00:42:28,595
He did mortgage his house
to give her money.

1119
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:30,647
Lisa, you flat-out told me
off camera

1120
00:42:30,699 --> 00:42:32,448
that he did not loan her
$300,000.

1121
00:42:32,484 --> 00:42:34,400
-It was actually more than that.
-I thought it was suspicious.

1122
00:42:34,435 --> 00:42:36,819
-He barely said anything.
-Let me talk, please.

1123
00:42:36,871 --> 00:42:38,538
After my father had passed,

1124
00:42:38,573 --> 00:42:43,493
those were the things you had
to say about me after that.