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Previously on "The Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
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Okay, listen,
I don't ever wanna----ing
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talk about you again or to you.
Stop talking to me.
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- Stop talking to me.
- You put hands on people.
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It's not that----ing deep, Monica.
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May they find peace.
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Seth and I have been
through a lot of ups and downs,
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so we've decided
to start a podcast
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about relationships.
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If you were to go get a divorce,
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it is not favorable for women
in Utah.
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I was worried
that I would lose my children
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and that he would leave me.
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I am so focused on my daughter
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that sometimes
I forget that I'm a wife.
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I know my husband
feels neglected.
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Maybe I should add intimacy
to my to-do list.
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I enjoyed tonight so much.
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Like, you're still figuring out
where you are in the journey.
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This is definitely a big
breakthrough for me and Lisa.
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I need to be more open
to your experience
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and the fact that, like,
instead of just being like,
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it's not fair.
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You can't wear strapless dresses
and drink tequila.
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I think it's okay to have both.
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Hi, Mommy!
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Hi. To what do I owe
this wonderful surprise?
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I just miss you so much,
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and I feel like there's so much
going on. I need some updates.
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Uh, there is a lot going on.
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It's so good to see you.
You look so good.
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Sunkissed.
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Life is so good over here,
but I...
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am sad
I missed the book signing
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'cause I was talking
to the girls about it,
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and I just want to hear,
like, who ca--
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Like, was it, like,
a good turnout?
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It was really, really cool.
Like, everyone came.
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Lisa came. Lisa--
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Lisa wrote, like,
a custom rap to introduce me.
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♪ Away in SLC
in her new crib in her bed ♪
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♪ This best-selling author
laid down her sweet head ♪
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It was like a big reset for us
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'cause there's been
so much conflict with Jack--
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Drama going on. Yeah.
- Yeah, and Jack going
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on a mission, and I was
so, like, worked up about it
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and triggered by it.
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And, like, it was
a really cool thing for her
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to, like, show up for me,
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just to have that type
of support just felt, like,
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really fun
to have everyone together.
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I'm really, like, grateful,
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and I wanna throw,
like, a luncheon for everybody,
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but I want it to be, like
a spinoff of the Mormon thing,
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but, like, something super fun.
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You have to keep it on theme
for the girls.
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Right? Like a homemaking night,
but not homemaking.
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Since it's the month of April
and April 6, 1830--
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that's the founding
of the Church, you know?
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That's a fact that you should
have memorized in Young Women.
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And, like, we can kind of...
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Well, I thought we could do,
like, pioneer crafts,
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have, like,
pioneer comfort foods.
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Do you think that's stupid?
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I wanna thank everyone
for coming to the book party,
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and I wanna do it in a way
that celebrates kind of the fun,
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kitschy aspects of our culture,
what Lisa would call
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"embarrassing" aspects
of growing up Mormon.
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Nothing gives me more pleasure
than forcing Lisa
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to face traditional Mormonism
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and participate
in Mormon handicraft.
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I mean, don't you want to see
Lisa Barlow in a pioneer bonnet?
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I think that's genius.
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Hey.
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- Hey.
- What are you doing?
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- Texting Anthony.
- Texting Anthony?
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Yeah. We're just talking
about prom and the plan.
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- You stole my blanket, I see.
- It was out here for the taking.
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It was.
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Did you show him your dress, by
the way? The color for his tie?
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- Yeah, I told him.
- Okay.
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Weren't you prom queen
your senior year?
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Yes, I was.
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Did I ever show you
the pictures?
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No.
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Oh, my gosh.
It's my time to shine.
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I'm gonna get 'em,
and you're gonna see.
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Oh, Lord.
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You're gonna die.
I don't even--
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Why do you have
so many photo albums?
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Because once upon a time, we had
these things called cameras.
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And it wasn't your phone,
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and you had to, like, buy film
and then go and develop it,
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leading to photo albums.
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- Just show me the pictures.
- Okay.
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Okay. Seriously, oh, my gosh.
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Look at my boyfriend--
Actually, let's not look at him.
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Oh, let's not look at that, either.
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Oh, my gosh.
Okay, look.
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This one right here--this was
my senior prom. Look it.
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Aw.
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And Vovó has my crown.
Of course.
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- Look at Vovó.
- That's Vovó?
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- Yes.
- No, it's not.
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- You're lying.
- Look at me pulling her hair.
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The aggression started
from such a young age.
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I already knew who she was
out the womb.
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But this was my first flight
ever to Bermuda,
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which was where Nana was born.
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And we all went--
the whole family.
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It was Christmas.
Look how beautiful Bermuda is.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I, like, miss this.
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I wanna take you guys
to Bermuda.
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Well, let's just go. Let's just
get on a plane and go.
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Okay. I actually have something
really special
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that I wanted to show you.
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This photo album...
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Not gonna get emotional.
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You say that now.
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Okay.
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So, when my dad left
when I was 4...
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my mom, like,
destroyed everything.
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So, I don't even know
what my dad looks like.
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- There's no pictures of him?
- No.
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Vovó like, ripped 'em all up,
threw everything away.
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So, it was important to me
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for you to never feel that.
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So...
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These are all pictures--
this photo album is yours now--
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of me when I was pregnant
with you.
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But...
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it's also of your dad.
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Your biological dad.
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I got pregnant very young.
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I married her father
at the time.
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He left for work one day,
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and my daughter
was crawling on the floor.
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And I could hear
her playing with something,
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and it was a clear plastic bag
full of OxyContin.
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In that moment,
I grabbed my daughter,
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and I never looked back.
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I started dating Mike
when Bri was 1.
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So, that has always been Dad.
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This is not the first time
that Bri has seen these photos.
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So, Bri is very well aware
that Mike adopted her.
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Because when I was going through
all of this, I went to therapy.
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And the number one thing
that the therapist told me was
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always be honest.
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I don't want you
to ever feel like how I felt,
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which was like
a whole part of me is missing.
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Vovó's dressed up for my birth.
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Of course, Vovó was dressed up
for your birth
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because it was her day.
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All right, watch your step.
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Thanks.
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Love your outfit.
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- Hi.
- Hey.
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- Hey, Shawn and Angie.
- All right.
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- We'll be right this way.
- Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Feels kinda good to be out, huh?
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- Kind of.
- Yeah.
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- Hi. How are you?
- Good to see you again.
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- Good to see you. Thank you.
- Sparkling?
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- Of course.
- Yes, please.
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Are you interested in cocktails
tonight? Glass of wine?
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You know, you guys get Angie
a great cabernet
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every time we get in here.
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Yes, we will do that.
And for you, Shawn?
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I'll have a, uh, cup of coffee.
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When you go out
with younger women like me,
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you gotta drink coffee.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Thank you.
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I wanted to check
and see if you guys
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have made a selection
this evening.
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I'm gonna do your--
your special chicken.
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- Okay.
- And then I'm gonna have
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the steak, medium rare, please.
Thank you.
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So, what do we talk about?
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We haven't been out,
the two of us, for years.
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It's like a first date. Like,
what do we say to each other?
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- Do you like that?
- It's so good.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mmm.
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You know, just something
that I've been wanting to share.
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And I know it's hard
with Elektra around,
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but obviously at home,
it's like rainbows and unicorns,
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and you always
want to keep it positive and--
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Right.
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It's like we're passing, right?
Like, we're picking her up.
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We're going to lessons.
You're on the phone.
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I'm on the phone.
You're returning emails.
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It's like we're together,
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but it's like
we're not really together.
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When I'm alone with you,
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sometimes I feel, like,
lost for words.
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This sounds so dumb,
but I don't even know
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what music you like anymore.
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All the country music
you play in your car--
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I'm just cringing
the whole ride.
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When I first met you,
you didn't listen to country.
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I--I've always listened
to country.
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Not with me in your car.
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Then you didn't care what I did
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because you were so smitten
and in love.
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It didn't matter
what I was doing.
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I still love it, and I should be
allowed to love it.
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But it's--it's annoying.
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- It's annoying.
- Like I said,
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when I get in yours,
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and you're listening
to "The Humpty Dance"--
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I am listening
to "The Humpty Dance."
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- But that's annoying.
- Why is that annoying?
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So, what if "The Humpty Dance"
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makes me feel like
I'm 30 years old again?
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- And I don't say anything.
- You know what I mean?
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I just let you play
"The Humpty Dance."
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- No, you hate it.
- I hate it,
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but I let you play it.
- You complain.
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No, I don't. I don't anymore.
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It's not even about the music.
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That's part of why I haven't
loved being alone with you.
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Like, I don't wanna feel like
I'm annoying to my own husband.
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You know...
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it's been two years
since you and I have been alone.
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You know, we kind of lose
the relationship stuff.
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We're--We're worried
about everything else.
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We're worried about Elektra,
the business,
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starting something new,
the house, building this.
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And then all of a sudden
you're looking around,
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and it's like, okay, do we
still have stuff in common?
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We're not connecting on
a relationship kind of a level.
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How do you see us
reprioritizing our relationship?
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- More time together.
- Yeah.
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Alone, you know?
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And I think Elektra's
totally cool with that.
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I know she is.
It's just, I felt like
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I need more
of your attention, too.
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I tend to hold things in,
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and I don't wanna be
a complainer.
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And it felt good
to let this out. I feel lighter.
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And I can see that some
of the challenges
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that Shawn and I have between us
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are things
that we can actually work on.
248
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It's time
that we worry about us.
249
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It's time that we worry
about our relationship.
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It's time that we have
a no-compromise attitude
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in terms
of having this time together.
252
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Coming up...
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We are going to churn butter
by hand.
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Just shake it, shake it.
Takes six minutes.
255
00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,161
You know what, Heather?
This is dirty.
256
00:12:02,161 --> 00:12:04,119
You guys have done this
for longer than six minutes,
257
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so just get to it.
258
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I didn't see anything.
259
00:12:30,319 --> 00:12:31,799
Is it bad?
Did I ruin my car?
260
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Aah!
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Oh, my gosh.
262
00:12:48,773 --> 00:12:50,513
- Hey.
- Hi!
263
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- How are you?
- Hi!
264
00:12:51,776 --> 00:12:55,692
I just hit your rock on my car.
265
00:12:55,692 --> 00:12:58,086
The plastic part hit that rock.
266
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That giant boulder?
Yes.
267
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- I wanna have that removed.
- You need to.
268
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This is not how I wanted
to start this new chapter
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in my relationship with Lisa,
270
00:13:05,964 --> 00:13:07,487
having her slam
into the boulder.
271
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I don't even know if
my homeowner's insurance
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is activated yet.
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00:13:10,795 --> 00:13:13,101
I'm gonna have to, like,
start a GoFundMe
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for taking out her Porsche.
275
00:13:14,581 --> 00:13:17,410
I got some fast food burgers
and chicken nuggets.
276
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Okay, all my favorite things.
And thanks for coming.
277
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Yeah, thanks for having me.
Do you have a scooper?
278
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Do you wanna use this--
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No, this is just
two best friends hanging out.
280
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- Oh, I love that.
- Having a good time.
281
00:13:26,419 --> 00:13:27,812
- We're in the bestie phase.
- Two, uh...
282
00:13:29,291 --> 00:13:32,251
Me and Heather are in
a new phase in our relationship.
283
00:13:32,251 --> 00:13:34,906
Like, she's doing
everything right.
284
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She's got all
my favorite treats here.
285
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I've got Wendy's
with extra barbecue sauce,
286
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shortbread cookies
from my favorite bakery.
287
00:13:41,129 --> 00:13:43,610
Literally, I hope we can stay
in this space,
288
00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:46,439
because it's the first time
in, like, five years.
289
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Do you have a paper towel
or napkin? That's like...
290
00:13:50,182 --> 00:13:51,487
- Yeah, I need one.
- I cannot believe
291
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you just opened
a barbecue sauce, like,
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with a white shirt
on a white couch.
293
00:13:56,101 --> 00:13:57,754
Girl, I'm a pro. This is--
this is easy for me.
294
00:13:57,754 --> 00:13:59,931
With heart-shaped nails.
295
00:13:59,931 --> 00:14:01,889
That was
for Jack's mission call.
296
00:14:01,889 --> 00:14:04,152
- I think he's ready to go.
- I'm sure.
297
00:14:04,152 --> 00:14:05,675
I mean, just to get away
from us.
298
00:14:05,675 --> 00:14:07,634
Like, I think he just wants
to do his own thing.
299
00:14:07,634 --> 00:14:09,636
It's exciting. You know,
he's going to Colombia.
300
00:14:09,636 --> 00:14:11,203
He's, like, irritated
that I keep saying
301
00:14:11,203 --> 00:14:12,465
his mission's bougie,
'cause I--
302
00:14:12,465 --> 00:14:15,033
Yeah, that's irritating.
Why do you do that?
303
00:14:15,033 --> 00:14:17,252
And then he's like,
"Mom, it's not a vacation.
304
00:14:17,252 --> 00:14:19,472
It's not a shopping trip." Yeah,
but in my head, it's like--
305
00:14:19,472 --> 00:14:20,865
It's literally not.
306
00:14:20,865 --> 00:14:22,518
Listen, this is my first kid
going on a mission.
307
00:14:22,518 --> 00:14:26,261
You're only allowed to shop
on one day, and it's groceries.
308
00:14:26,261 --> 00:14:29,395
Anyhow, how your event was
so good, though, Heather.
309
00:14:29,395 --> 00:14:31,745
I was, like, thrilled
to have everyone there.
310
00:14:31,745 --> 00:14:34,530
I'm mostly excited about, like,
the place we're in right now.
311
00:14:34,530 --> 00:14:35,836
- Mm-hmm.
- And I feel like
312
00:14:35,836 --> 00:14:37,969
I'm in a good place
with everyone,
313
00:14:37,969 --> 00:14:39,579
and we really
haven't rewarded ourselves
314
00:14:39,579 --> 00:14:41,624
for everything
we've been through,
315
00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:43,322
and I wanna plan a trip.
316
00:14:43,322 --> 00:14:44,714
Oh, good.
Where are we gonna go?
317
00:14:44,714 --> 00:14:46,586
- Where do you wanna go?
- Well, tropical for sure.
318
00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:48,283
Ooh. Ooh, I like that.
319
00:14:48,283 --> 00:14:49,981
I went out with Monica
last night.
320
00:14:49,981 --> 00:14:51,634
Oh, you did?
321
00:14:51,634 --> 00:14:53,810
We went to this new
little tiki parlor lounge.
322
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Cheers!
323
00:14:59,642 --> 00:15:01,818
She was telling me
that she used to, like,
324
00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:03,908
spend her summers in Bermuda.
325
00:15:03,908 --> 00:15:06,040
So, I still have,
like, family in Bermuda.
326
00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,216
In Bermuda?
The Bermuda Triangle?
327
00:15:08,216 --> 00:15:11,524
- Bitch, the Devil's Triangle.
- Oh, that's so crazy.
328
00:15:11,524 --> 00:15:12,917
And I was like,
"So, you're telling me
329
00:15:12,917 --> 00:15:14,701
that we have people in Bermuda?"
330
00:15:14,701 --> 00:15:16,790
What if we got everybody
together and went to Bermuda,
331
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:18,400
like, for your birthday?
332
00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,186
Wait, I would die!
I would seriously die.
333
00:15:21,186 --> 00:15:24,537
But I said, "I wanna go
on this trip, but, like,
334
00:15:24,537 --> 00:15:29,281
I, uh, wanna go with Lisa,
and you have to apologize."
335
00:15:29,281 --> 00:15:32,153
You have to make up with Lisa
if we do it,
336
00:15:32,153 --> 00:15:33,981
because she's gotta be invited.
337
00:15:35,069 --> 00:15:38,290
- Okay, fine!
- Thank you.
338
00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:40,292
Let's announce the trip to
everyone at the pioneer lunch.
339
00:15:40,292 --> 00:15:43,164
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
340
00:15:43,164 --> 00:15:44,513
After all the progress
we've made,
341
00:15:44,513 --> 00:15:46,080
I do not want you
to think that this is, like...
342
00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,690
- Yeah, no, I get it.
- ...a bitch move,
343
00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:49,257
that I'm trying
to, like, cause problems.
344
00:15:49,257 --> 00:15:52,608
Like, I really think that
she's gonna make things right,
345
00:15:52,608 --> 00:15:54,567
and I think we can have
a good time in Bermuda.
346
00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:57,657
I-I don't care if she's there,
but she's not my problem.
347
00:15:57,657 --> 00:15:59,311
I don't even need
an apology from her.
348
00:15:59,311 --> 00:16:01,400
Like, I'm just not interested.
349
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,923
Yeah.
350
00:16:16,241 --> 00:16:19,287
- Hello.
- Hi.
351
00:16:19,287 --> 00:16:21,202
- How's it going?
- Good. How about yourself?
352
00:16:21,202 --> 00:16:23,988
Really good.
I have a friend joining me.
353
00:16:25,163 --> 00:16:28,035
Rawr! Look at you.
354
00:16:28,035 --> 00:16:29,645
- Hey.
- You look beautiful.
355
00:16:29,645 --> 00:16:32,257
- So do you.
- Pretty in pink, girl.
356
00:16:32,257 --> 00:16:33,693
- I ordered some oysters.
- Ooh, I'm ready for anything.
357
00:16:33,693 --> 00:16:37,349
And then the Egg N' Chips,
some rosé.
358
00:16:37,349 --> 00:16:41,353
Why don't I just do, like,
a pinot noir and steak tartare?
359
00:16:41,353 --> 00:16:42,484
- I'll do that.
- Okay.
360
00:16:42,484 --> 00:16:43,703
Okay. Thank you.
361
00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:46,184
- Hi.
- I don't mean to cut you off.
362
00:16:46,184 --> 00:16:49,100
- Thank you. These look amazing.
- They're so good.
363
00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:50,884
I have so much
I wanna talk to you about.
364
00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:53,365
Do you know I haven't been
having any girl time?
365
00:16:53,365 --> 00:16:54,757
And I feel like
I've been spending
366
00:16:54,757 --> 00:16:57,325
more girl time with you
and getting out more.
367
00:16:57,325 --> 00:16:59,675
And I have loved it
and needed it so much.
368
00:16:59,675 --> 00:17:01,590
We're always taking care
of everyone else,
369
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:03,853
and I think
it's really important for us
370
00:17:03,853 --> 00:17:05,768
to get together
and take care of ourselves.
371
00:17:05,768 --> 00:17:09,337
It is. Like you, I have kids.
I have my businesses.
372
00:17:09,337 --> 00:17:10,860
I don't even have time
for my husband.
373
00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:13,037
I talk to Lisa more than
I talk to my husband, right?
374
00:17:13,037 --> 00:17:15,169
How are you and Shawn?
375
00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:18,520
We hadn't had a date night
in two years,
376
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,653
and we finally went out
to dinner the other night.
377
00:17:20,653 --> 00:17:21,784
Two years.
378
00:17:21,784 --> 00:17:23,699
For about 15 minutes,
it was like--
379
00:17:23,699 --> 00:17:26,180
The awkward silence?
380
00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:27,529
- It's awkward silence...
- I know.
381
00:17:27,529 --> 00:17:28,878
...because Elektra
is always with us.
382
00:17:28,878 --> 00:17:31,316
I experienced that lately,
too, where I'm like,
383
00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:33,100
I actually don't know
what to say to you.
384
00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,276
Like, when we were
first married,
385
00:17:35,276 --> 00:17:37,539
Justin came home
to a home-cooked meal,
386
00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:39,106
wife and lingerie
under the clothes.
387
00:17:39,106 --> 00:17:40,934
- Like, I was like...
- Every guy's dream.
388
00:17:40,934 --> 00:17:42,544
...the 1950s, like...
389
00:17:42,544 --> 00:17:44,459
- Yeah.
- And I loved it, though.
390
00:17:44,459 --> 00:17:46,896
But then I wanted more,
and I wanted to develop myself.
391
00:17:46,896 --> 00:17:48,289
And I have noticed,
392
00:17:48,289 --> 00:17:51,205
especially with Justin going
back to work,
393
00:17:51,205 --> 00:17:53,425
like, now we're both just
doing our own thing,
394
00:17:53,425 --> 00:17:55,209
and there's, like, a void.
395
00:17:55,209 --> 00:17:57,342
Yeah. Yeah.
396
00:17:57,342 --> 00:18:00,127
As a couple, I just...
I want him to hear me, right?
397
00:18:00,127 --> 00:18:01,563
- Yeah.
- Like, I...I need to be heard
398
00:18:01,563 --> 00:18:03,478
because we're business partners.
399
00:18:03,478 --> 00:18:07,743
Are you feeling like...
you have a better work life
400
00:18:07,743 --> 00:18:09,876
than you do marriage?
401
00:18:09,876 --> 00:18:14,750
We haven't made time, which is,
like, embarrassing to say.
402
00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:18,711
We have not made time to be
husband and wife, right?
403
00:18:18,711 --> 00:18:20,234
So, it's like,
we're never alone.
404
00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:21,888
When do you have sex?
405
00:18:21,888 --> 00:18:24,586
We're, like, fighting, like,
even to get together
406
00:18:24,586 --> 00:18:26,197
with each other,
like, once a week.
407
00:18:26,197 --> 00:18:29,461
I feel like I need to go home
and organize more date nights
408
00:18:29,461 --> 00:18:31,811
and, like, organize, like,
more alone time.
409
00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:36,032
- Don't organize it. Just do it.
- Do it, do it, do it, do it.
410
00:18:36,032 --> 00:18:39,123
What I'm missing right now
is, like, having my husband back
411
00:18:39,123 --> 00:18:41,125
the way that I had him.
412
00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:42,604
I know.
413
00:18:42,604 --> 00:18:43,866
Justin and I got to a point,
though, Ange,
414
00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:48,175
where it was just, like,
the work is so hard,
415
00:18:48,175 --> 00:18:50,395
where literally, like,
last November,
416
00:18:50,395 --> 00:18:53,659
it was our anniversary,
and we went up to Stillwell Spa,
417
00:18:53,659 --> 00:18:55,400
and we literally
asked each other.
418
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,793
I just asked him, like,
"Do you still wanna do this?"
419
00:18:59,578 --> 00:19:02,581
And he's like, "Do you?"
And I was like, "I don't know."
420
00:19:02,581 --> 00:19:05,279
Every marriage has
its ups and downs,
421
00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:07,629
but Justin and I's current issue
422
00:19:07,629 --> 00:19:11,155
is that we are not
the same people that we were
423
00:19:11,155 --> 00:19:13,287
when we got married
14 years ago.
424
00:19:13,287 --> 00:19:18,466
We are now trying to navigate
how to run our household 50/50.
425
00:19:18,466 --> 00:19:20,860
I'm no longer
a stay-at-home mom.
426
00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:23,210
I have two businesses.
I'm very busy.
427
00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:24,646
And the way
that we communicate
428
00:19:24,646 --> 00:19:26,909
as a married couple
is different than it used to be.
429
00:19:26,909 --> 00:19:29,869
I'm more outspoken
than I have been in the past.
430
00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:34,613
So, it's just all
of those things combined.
431
00:19:34,613 --> 00:19:37,398
You guys seem so together.
Looking at you from the outside,
432
00:19:37,398 --> 00:19:38,573
you guys seem together.
- Well....yeah.
433
00:19:38,573 --> 00:19:40,575
Justin hates when I say this,
434
00:19:40,575 --> 00:19:43,361
but I don't think it's natural
to be married and monogamous.
435
00:19:43,361 --> 00:19:44,884
Well, we're--we're like,
we are animals.
436
00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:46,233
And if you read about animals,
they don't stay--
437
00:19:46,233 --> 00:19:47,974
I'm doing a damn good job
at it...
438
00:19:47,974 --> 00:19:49,628
- We are.
- ...but it's hard.
439
00:19:49,628 --> 00:19:51,717
Animals don't stay
with the same mate
440
00:19:51,717 --> 00:19:53,458
their whole life
unless they're a duck.
441
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,937
- Did you know that?
- What?
442
00:19:54,937 --> 00:19:58,114
See, I thought ducks
would be sluts.
443
00:20:13,608 --> 00:20:17,264
Look.
My little Oreo "M" cookies.
444
00:20:17,264 --> 00:20:19,135
Look how cute they are.
445
00:20:23,879 --> 00:20:26,404
Where do you want
Justin and Whitney to sit?
446
00:20:26,404 --> 00:20:29,581
Um, I don't know.
Wherever you think.
447
00:20:29,581 --> 00:20:31,583
Seth and I have wanted
to get Whitney and Justin
448
00:20:31,583 --> 00:20:33,498
on the podcast
for a little while now.
449
00:20:33,498 --> 00:20:35,761
And, you know, with the way
things have been
450
00:20:35,761 --> 00:20:38,024
with me and Whitney,
that was not an easy ask.
451
00:20:38,024 --> 00:20:41,462
One thing you are,
amongst many positive things,
452
00:20:41,462 --> 00:20:43,072
is you are emotionally aware.
453
00:20:43,072 --> 00:20:44,465
Thank you.
454
00:20:44,465 --> 00:20:46,293
They would be amazing
on our podcast.
455
00:20:46,293 --> 00:20:50,123
But after a couple cocktails,
we knew we'd get a yes.
456
00:20:52,865 --> 00:20:54,432
They're here, honey!
457
00:20:54,432 --> 00:20:56,172
Oh, fab. Let them in.
458
00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:57,609
- Hey!
- Hey!
459
00:20:57,609 --> 00:20:58,784
Group hug, group hug, group hug.
460
00:20:58,784 --> 00:21:01,395
Look at this podcaster
with headphones.
461
00:21:01,395 --> 00:21:02,701
Thank you guys so much
for coming.
462
00:21:02,701 --> 00:21:04,311
- Thanks for having us.
- Yes. Look at this view.
463
00:21:04,311 --> 00:21:05,834
We're excited to see your place.
464
00:21:05,834 --> 00:21:07,358
Yes.
Hi!
465
00:21:12,493 --> 00:21:14,321
That's actually a great look.
466
00:21:14,321 --> 00:21:16,845
This is actually, I think,
467
00:21:16,845 --> 00:21:20,066
my favorite photo
of the two of you.
468
00:21:20,066 --> 00:21:23,330
Seth, your setup is
really not pretty.
469
00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:24,810
I'm not done.
470
00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:26,768
'Cause you're
a dirty, stinky boy.
471
00:21:26,768 --> 00:21:29,815
I am. I'm always
a dirty, stinky boy.
472
00:21:29,815 --> 00:21:33,166
- So is Justin.
- I actually bathe regularly.
473
00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:37,562
Can I publicly apologize
for commenting on your bathtub?
474
00:21:37,562 --> 00:21:38,780
- Can I see your bathtub?
- Oh, my God.
475
00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:39,999
Can we all go get
in the bathtub?
476
00:21:41,870 --> 00:21:44,786
- The bathtub is ready.
- We're so good on the bathtub.
477
00:21:44,786 --> 00:21:47,833
Question 19--would you like
to take a bath with us?
478
00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:53,317
Okay. Anyway, well, welcome back
479
00:21:53,317 --> 00:21:56,363
to "Hanging by a Thread"
with Meredith and Seth Marks.
480
00:21:56,363 --> 00:22:00,193
Joining us,
Whitney and Justin Rose.
481
00:22:00,193 --> 00:22:03,065
I'm just curious with the theme,
"Hanging by a Thread,"
482
00:22:03,065 --> 00:22:05,154
why were we
your first couple invited?
483
00:22:05,154 --> 00:22:07,635
The whole concept
is to talk about relationships
484
00:22:07,635 --> 00:22:09,420
and interesting relationships.
485
00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:10,682
It doesn't mean
that your relationship
486
00:22:10,682 --> 00:22:12,292
is currently
hanging by a thread,
487
00:22:12,292 --> 00:22:16,252
but there is something
of interest in your relationship
488
00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:17,732
that we thought would make you
489
00:22:17,732 --> 00:22:20,779
an excellent couple
to come on...
490
00:22:20,779 --> 00:22:22,215
- Oh, that's an honor.
- ...and be a guest.
491
00:22:22,215 --> 00:22:23,695
- We're happy to be here.
- Yeah.
492
00:22:23,695 --> 00:22:26,306
And I think people are
delusional if they don't think
493
00:22:26,306 --> 00:22:28,395
marriage is hanging by a thread
every second.
494
00:22:28,395 --> 00:22:29,875
It's always hanging by a threat.
495
00:22:29,875 --> 00:22:31,746
I'm gonna go to question 18
right away.
496
00:22:31,746 --> 00:22:33,139
Oh.
497
00:22:33,139 --> 00:22:36,229
Craziest place
you guys ever had whoopee.
498
00:22:36,229 --> 00:22:38,710
That one time I hid
under your desk and got caught.
499
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:40,842
- No. No.
- I walked in,
500
00:22:40,842 --> 00:22:42,366
and I hid under the desk.
- Excuse me.
501
00:22:42,366 --> 00:22:45,369
Like, dear Jesus,
please don't...
502
00:22:45,369 --> 00:22:48,110
- I'm gonna ask that.
- So, question 19?
503
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:51,026
Under the desk with a woman
standing in the room.
504
00:22:51,026 --> 00:22:54,508
- HR. The head of HR.
- Stop. No.
505
00:22:54,508 --> 00:22:57,163
- Mm-hmm.
- We're gonna leave it there.
506
00:22:57,163 --> 00:23:02,124
You guys are authentic AF.
507
00:23:02,124 --> 00:23:06,433
What's the hardest thing
you guys ever went through?
508
00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:07,869
Take us through it.
509
00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:09,393
Hardest thing
we ever went through?
510
00:23:09,393 --> 00:23:10,611
Yeah.
511
00:23:10,611 --> 00:23:15,529
Um... I would say
when his dad died.
512
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,752
I was physically holding him
when he passed.
513
00:23:20,752 --> 00:23:22,928
Justin couldn't
physically be there,
514
00:23:22,928 --> 00:23:26,453
so I...just stepped up,
and I did it,
515
00:23:26,453 --> 00:23:30,588
and I held his dad's hand.
516
00:23:30,588 --> 00:23:33,025
We put his mom
and dad's hands together.
517
00:23:33,025 --> 00:23:34,679
It was like the real-life
"Notebook,"
518
00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:40,119
because... that's what
you do for your partner.
519
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,948
That's amazing.
520
00:23:42,948 --> 00:23:44,776
Meredith, you look
a little emotional right now.
521
00:23:44,776 --> 00:23:46,734
- Yeah.
- I know, 'cause...
522
00:23:46,734 --> 00:23:48,867
- And that's really beautiful.
- Beautiful.
523
00:23:48,867 --> 00:23:50,477
- That's really beautiful.
- Mm-hmm.
524
00:23:50,477 --> 00:23:53,132
- You're so lucky, man.
- I know.
525
00:23:53,132 --> 00:23:55,221
So, to Justin's credit,
that's easy for me to step up
526
00:23:55,221 --> 00:23:58,703
in that moment 'cause
he steps up for me every day.
527
00:23:58,703 --> 00:24:01,662
Justin, you know,
when he married me,
528
00:24:01,662 --> 00:24:03,664
he's not only signing up for me,
529
00:24:03,664 --> 00:24:06,754
he's supported my dad
through his sobriety.
530
00:24:06,754 --> 00:24:08,582
When we've had bad news
about my siblings,
531
00:24:08,582 --> 00:24:10,323
Justin has stepped in
and helped.
532
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,846
He's helped my mother.
533
00:24:11,846 --> 00:24:15,067
That's marriage, and that's
being with your partner.
534
00:24:15,067 --> 00:24:17,504
The sh-- that I've put
that man through,
535
00:24:17,504 --> 00:24:20,594
just me
working my own stuff out,
536
00:24:20,594 --> 00:24:22,291
most people would have left.
537
00:24:22,291 --> 00:24:25,164
Like, technically,
I should be on husband seven.
538
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:31,170
Everything you said, I think is
probably both cathartic for you,
539
00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:34,521
but also very good for
all of our listeners to hear,
540
00:24:34,521 --> 00:24:36,044
and hopefully we, you know,
help some people
541
00:24:36,044 --> 00:24:38,482
with whatever
they're struggling with,
542
00:24:38,482 --> 00:24:40,005
so thank you so much.
543
00:24:40,005 --> 00:24:43,530
I love you guys, and I'm
so happy we did this today.
544
00:24:43,530 --> 00:24:44,879
- Is that a wrap?
- That's a wrap.
545
00:24:44,879 --> 00:24:46,402
That's a wrap!
546
00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:47,665
Whoo-hoo!
547
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:51,059
Coming up...
548
00:24:51,059 --> 00:24:53,366
Okay. There's a game
that we're gonna play.
549
00:24:53,366 --> 00:24:58,980
Our wagon has too much weight.
Who do you throw off your wagon?
550
00:25:01,983 --> 00:25:04,246
Wow.
551
00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:32,013
Hi.
552
00:25:32,013 --> 00:25:33,493
- Oh, hi, Heather.
- Are you Emily?
553
00:25:33,493 --> 00:25:34,842
Yes. So good to see you.
554
00:25:34,842 --> 00:25:36,365
Oh, it's so nice to meet you
in person. Hi.
555
00:25:36,365 --> 00:25:37,584
- How are you doing? Good?
- Everything looks awesome.
556
00:25:37,584 --> 00:25:39,107
- Thank you.
- I was just worried
557
00:25:39,107 --> 00:25:40,892
about the weather,
but it seems like it might hold.
558
00:25:40,892 --> 00:25:43,547
It's gonna be beautiful.
Yes, and this is pretty here.
559
00:25:43,547 --> 00:25:44,591
- This looks spectacular.
- Yes.
560
00:25:44,591 --> 00:25:46,027
- Show me everything.
- Okay.
561
00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:47,942
- This is so wonderful.
- So... we have your caterer.
562
00:25:47,942 --> 00:25:49,944
- He is back in the cooking--
- Oh, Chef Ortega?
563
00:25:49,944 --> 00:25:51,250
- Yeah, Chef. He's in the--
- Has he been great?
564
00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:52,860
Yes, and a bartender.
He's all set up there.
565
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:54,949
Okay. Wonderful. We've got
their bonnets and aprons.
566
00:25:54,949 --> 00:25:57,299
This is gonna be the hard sell.
567
00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:59,171
If they knew this was
happening, they wouldn't come.
568
00:25:59,171 --> 00:26:00,694
I got the message
in Palm Springs
569
00:26:00,694 --> 00:26:03,044
that these ladies
do not like to dress up.
570
00:26:03,044 --> 00:26:05,481
But the bonnets and aprons--
they're a must.
571
00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,920
I wanna pick mine right now
based on my outfit,
572
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,399
what color I want to do.
573
00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:12,314
I want these prima donnas
574
00:26:12,314 --> 00:26:16,536
to feel a little bit of the grit
that created the state of Utah.
575
00:26:16,536 --> 00:26:19,626
These bonnets are brimmed
to keep the sun from our face,
576
00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:21,585
to keep the dust out
of our mouths,
577
00:26:21,585 --> 00:26:25,066
to keep us safe as we trudged
across the plains.
578
00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:28,417
- Well, hello!
- Oh, hi!
579
00:26:28,417 --> 00:26:29,897
- How are you?
- Good.
580
00:26:29,897 --> 00:26:32,291
Meredith Marks
with her Styrofoam cup.
581
00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:35,163
Let me introduce you
to our barkeep.
582
00:26:35,163 --> 00:26:38,645
This is
a jalapeño blackberry margarita.
583
00:26:38,645 --> 00:26:40,647
It's not sweet at all.
584
00:26:40,647 --> 00:26:41,692
Want to try one of those?
All right.
585
00:26:41,692 --> 00:26:43,302
Hey!
586
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:45,652
- Hi. Mwah.
- Okay. I dressed for spring.
587
00:26:45,652 --> 00:26:47,523
- I know.
- Thank you.
588
00:26:47,523 --> 00:26:49,308
- It's Utah weather.
- Oh, no.
589
00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:50,831
Why are there bonnets
and dresses here?
590
00:26:50,831 --> 00:26:52,616
- Because I know--Listen.
- Oh, my gosh, Heather Gay.
591
00:26:52,616 --> 00:26:54,008
I can't tell you.
It's a surprise.
592
00:26:54,008 --> 00:26:55,575
- Oh, my gosh.
- But you're--
593
00:26:55,575 --> 00:26:57,359
- It's gonna be worth it.
- Um...
594
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,013
- No more costumes.
- We do not do costumes anymore.
595
00:26:59,013 --> 00:27:00,406
- No.
- Oh, good.
596
00:27:00,406 --> 00:27:02,016
I would never make you guys
do a costume.
597
00:27:02,016 --> 00:27:04,410
I would, however,
ask you to partake in honoring
598
00:27:04,410 --> 00:27:06,151
our shared heritage,
which is not a costume.
599
00:27:06,151 --> 00:27:07,935
Um, what shared heritage?
600
00:27:07,935 --> 00:27:10,372
You can pick the color
that complements your outfit.
601
00:27:10,372 --> 00:27:13,898
Those aren't my roots.
Are we really putting these on?
602
00:27:15,551 --> 00:27:18,816
Okay, let me see. Actually,
you look really cute in this.
603
00:27:18,816 --> 00:27:20,556
It doesn't look bad.
604
00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:22,558
- You look almost virginal.
- Why don't we take a picture?
605
00:27:22,558 --> 00:27:24,430
Are you not gonna tie your bow?
606
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:27,738
- What the hell?
- That's what I said!
607
00:27:27,738 --> 00:27:29,653
- What are you wearing?
- Oh, my God.
608
00:27:29,653 --> 00:27:33,526
What do you mean? You don't
recognize our native attire?
609
00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:35,354
What the [bleep] is happening?
610
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:37,356
You wrote a book about
leaving the Mormon Church.
611
00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:39,924
Why are we going
right back to where it started?
612
00:27:39,924 --> 00:27:41,229
- Are you being serious?
- Yes.
613
00:27:41,229 --> 00:27:42,753
- This is for you.
- As long as
614
00:27:42,753 --> 00:27:47,366
we are not making vows,
I can go along with it, I think.
615
00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,847
Wow, you... [laughs] Hi!
616
00:27:49,847 --> 00:27:51,239
How are you?
617
00:27:51,239 --> 00:27:53,807
Pick your bonnet and apron.
618
00:27:53,807 --> 00:27:55,722
That goes with the cream.
619
00:27:55,722 --> 00:27:57,071
Look at you!
620
00:27:57,071 --> 00:27:59,247
- Okay. How are you?
- Pioneer Marks over here.
621
00:27:59,247 --> 00:28:01,902
Oh, my gosh.
She looks so good. Hi, Lisa.
622
00:28:04,252 --> 00:28:05,776
Oh.
623
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,433
I woke up today
and decided to choose peace.
624
00:28:13,653 --> 00:28:16,743
So, yay. Happy to be here.
625
00:28:16,743 --> 00:28:20,442
How dare you?
- It's pioneer...
626
00:28:20,442 --> 00:28:22,923
- I am not wearing a bonnet.
- Oh, my God.
627
00:28:22,923 --> 00:28:24,882
How dare you? Look at my hair.
628
00:28:24,882 --> 00:28:26,666
I know.
629
00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:28,799
Oh, my God.
630
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,844
- Wait.
- Little Bo Peep and her sheep.
631
00:28:30,844 --> 00:28:32,672
- That's your sheep.
- Hello, my little sheep.
632
00:28:32,672 --> 00:28:34,282
Baa.
633
00:28:34,282 --> 00:28:35,849
- Baa-d girl.
- I don't know.
634
00:28:35,849 --> 00:28:38,547
- We just go, "b-i-itch."
- Baa-itch.
635
00:28:41,115 --> 00:28:43,117
Okay, I...I would like
to make a toast
636
00:28:43,117 --> 00:28:45,990
to all of my sister wives.
637
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:48,079
I wanted to say thank you
to you guys
638
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,646
for showing up
for the book event,
639
00:28:50,646 --> 00:28:52,170
for my reading of "Bad Mormon."
640
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:54,520
And it reminded me
April is the month
641
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,609
that the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints
642
00:28:56,609 --> 00:28:59,307
was founded--April 6, 1830.
643
00:28:59,307 --> 00:29:01,440
And so I wanted to have
some fun today
644
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,009
and focus on the fun aspects
of that--of our heritage.
645
00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:07,011
We're gonna do
some fun pioneer crafts,
646
00:29:07,011 --> 00:29:08,795
so I hope you know
how to churn butter by hand.
647
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,799
So, in honor
of our differences,
648
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,933
but also the things
that bring us together, cheers.
649
00:29:15,933 --> 00:29:17,891
- Cheers.
- Cheers.
650
00:29:17,891 --> 00:29:19,632
Wait, what did
they say in Pioneer times?
651
00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:22,330
They said, "Get your ass
over to that barrel
652
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:23,854
and keep your mouth shut.
You're a woman."
653
00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:28,249
So, we are going
to churn butter by hand,
654
00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:30,164
and all you need is heavy cream
655
00:29:30,164 --> 00:29:31,818
and some salt
if you like salted butter.
656
00:29:31,818 --> 00:29:35,691
You take your jar, and you're
gonna fill the cream up halfway.
657
00:29:37,824 --> 00:29:41,349
These types of crafts are
deeply embedded in our culture.
658
00:29:41,349 --> 00:29:43,699
There are stores everywhere
where you can buy jars
659
00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:46,398
to churn butter and yarn
for handkerchief dolls.
660
00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:49,793
This is not something
that I've had to seek out.
661
00:29:49,793 --> 00:29:52,839
How do you think I found
pioneer bonnets and aprons
662
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,145
on a moment's notice?
663
00:29:54,145 --> 00:29:55,711
Just shake it. Shake it.
664
00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:57,844
It's gotta hit the top
of the lid and the bottom.
665
00:29:57,844 --> 00:29:59,019
- Takes six minutes.
- Shake.
666
00:29:59,019 --> 00:30:00,934
All you have to do is shake it.
667
00:30:00,934 --> 00:30:03,023
You're churning the butter,
but you're churning it by hand.
668
00:30:03,023 --> 00:30:05,591
Okay. What is this?
The maraca churn?
669
00:30:05,591 --> 00:30:07,114
That is not gonna churn
your butter.
670
00:30:07,114 --> 00:30:09,203
It has to hit the top
of the jar.
671
00:30:09,203 --> 00:30:11,205
It has to, like, be vigorous.
672
00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:13,686
- You gotta, like...
- I was gonna say...
673
00:30:13,686 --> 00:30:15,166
It only takes six minutes.
674
00:30:15,166 --> 00:30:17,081
You guys have done this
for longer than six minutes,
675
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:18,604
so just get to it.
676
00:30:22,216 --> 00:30:24,349
- Angie!
- You guys!
677
00:30:24,349 --> 00:30:27,787
- I need you to really dig deep.
- Two hands! Here we go!
678
00:30:27,787 --> 00:30:29,571
See, Monica got it.
679
00:30:29,571 --> 00:30:30,964
Ahh!
680
00:30:30,964 --> 00:30:32,661
Okay, so let's all let
our butter sit,
681
00:30:32,661 --> 00:30:34,098
and we'll assess it in a minute.
682
00:30:34,098 --> 00:30:36,187
I'm gonna take you on
to our next wonderful craft.
683
00:30:36,187 --> 00:30:39,843
I raised my children
that once you start something,
684
00:30:39,843 --> 00:30:41,496
you have to finish it.
685
00:30:41,496 --> 00:30:43,455
I don't see
any butter on the table.
686
00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:46,806
- Okay, so, um...
- What are we doing, Heather?
687
00:30:46,806 --> 00:30:48,373
When resources were small,
688
00:30:48,373 --> 00:30:51,680
the pioneer children,
or parents, probably the moms,
689
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,596
would have to go find, like,
a pine cone or a rock,
690
00:30:54,596 --> 00:30:57,208
and they would take
one of their handkerchiefs,
691
00:30:57,208 --> 00:30:59,427
draw a face,
and tie a little knot
692
00:30:59,427 --> 00:31:02,082
in all four corners
of the handkerchief,
693
00:31:02,082 --> 00:31:03,910
and that makes, like,
little hands and feet.
694
00:31:03,910 --> 00:31:04,998
- Oh.
- So, it's a doll.
695
00:31:07,696 --> 00:31:10,482
Whitney, yours looks like
a giant, old-fashioned lollipop.
696
00:31:10,482 --> 00:31:12,614
Sister Gay is not
- ing around.
697
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:16,967
Okay, pencils down.
698
00:31:16,967 --> 00:31:18,751
Meredith,
present your doll to the group.
699
00:31:18,751 --> 00:31:20,361
This is my Pink Pioneer.
700
00:31:20,361 --> 00:31:22,363
Oh.
701
00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:26,106
She's definitely
wearing the icy bling.
702
00:31:26,106 --> 00:31:27,455
- I love that.
- She has jewels.
703
00:31:27,455 --> 00:31:29,805
They'll cut her hands off
for that on the trail.
704
00:31:29,805 --> 00:31:31,938
I have Trina, the Trekker.
705
00:31:33,635 --> 00:31:35,507
Say hello to Margaret.
706
00:31:37,944 --> 00:31:40,642
- This is Celestial.
- Oh.
707
00:31:40,642 --> 00:31:42,470
Okay. This is Eunice.
708
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:45,778
She's a good-time girl.
Watch her churn better.
709
00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:50,652
Can you see your little hand?
710
00:31:50,652 --> 00:31:52,176
Watch her sweep.
711
00:31:54,482 --> 00:31:58,095
This is Molly
to represent Molly Mormon,
712
00:31:58,095 --> 00:32:00,227
which at one point I was.
713
00:32:01,489 --> 00:32:03,622
And now she bears
a scarlet letter
714
00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:07,626
to remind all the good other
pioneers on the trail,
715
00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:09,367
since all of you are
goody-goodies,
716
00:32:09,367 --> 00:32:12,979
that this is really what
the Church is about,
717
00:32:12,979 --> 00:32:15,547
which is forgiveness...
718
00:32:15,547 --> 00:32:19,246
and welcoming the black sheep
into the fold.
719
00:32:26,123 --> 00:32:27,646
Coming up...
720
00:32:27,646 --> 00:32:29,300
- No! Come for her!
- Monica, bring it down a level!
721
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,650
She's the one that sits down
and starts with me.
722
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:33,173
Monica.
I wanna say something.
723
00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:34,566
- You're being crazy.
- Monica.
724
00:32:34,566 --> 00:32:36,481
- Aah!
- ...anything too...
725
00:32:47,187 --> 00:32:48,754
I'm over here.
726
00:32:50,756 --> 00:32:53,672
So, are the bonnets staying on
during the meal?
727
00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:55,369
I think it's appropriate.
728
00:32:55,369 --> 00:32:57,937
I'm keeping the bonnet on
'cause it's keeping the heat in.
729
00:32:57,937 --> 00:33:01,419
Are we allowed to take
a break from churning to eat,
730
00:33:01,419 --> 00:33:03,595
or do we just keep churning?
- Yes!
731
00:33:03,595 --> 00:33:05,249
No, you definitely
wanna take a break.
732
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:08,469
Here, you guys,
the menu is, like,
733
00:33:08,469 --> 00:33:10,732
created
around pioneer comfort foods.
734
00:33:10,732 --> 00:33:13,083
We've got, like, ribs...
735
00:33:13,083 --> 00:33:14,823
some cornbread with Utah honey.
736
00:33:14,823 --> 00:33:18,349
This is mac and cheese,
which is a pioneer comfort food
737
00:33:18,349 --> 00:33:20,438
that our ancestors
would have wanted us to enjoy.
738
00:33:20,438 --> 00:33:22,222
Okay.
- You know, I'm only a quarter
739
00:33:22,222 --> 00:33:23,441
of the way
through the Book of Mormon,
740
00:33:23,441 --> 00:33:25,182
but I'm pretty sure
in the sacred text,
741
00:33:25,182 --> 00:33:26,922
there's no talking
about cornbread,
742
00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:29,925
mac and cheese, and ribs.
743
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,492
These are funeral potatoes.
744
00:33:31,492 --> 00:33:33,103
Even though
you're an East Coast Mormon,
745
00:33:33,103 --> 00:33:33,799
you've had funeral potatoes.
- Yeah, sharing them with you.
746
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,280
Yeah.
747
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,977
- You've never had--okay.
- Never in my life.
748
00:33:37,977 --> 00:33:39,457
I love them. That's my favorite.
749
00:33:39,457 --> 00:33:41,415
I can't even Mormon with you, Lisa.
750
00:33:41,415 --> 00:33:42,895
Can we Mormon over, like,
Jell-O?
751
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:45,680
These are a staple
at missionary farewells.
752
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,943
Like, Whitney, have you ever
been to a missionary farewell
753
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,467
without funeral potatoes?
754
00:33:49,467 --> 00:33:51,425
I make funeral potatoes
all the time.
755
00:33:51,425 --> 00:33:53,079
I make the best.
You do?
756
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,256
I love Mormon food.
I thought Greek food was good.
757
00:33:56,256 --> 00:33:57,605
This is actually
really good, though.
758
00:33:57,605 --> 00:33:59,085
- It's really flavorful.
- Right?
759
00:33:59,085 --> 00:34:00,130
Yes.
760
00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:02,088
I think this is the modern take.
761
00:34:02,088 --> 00:34:04,134
They probably just
killed the deer and ate it.
762
00:34:06,788 --> 00:34:10,314
Okay, there's another game
that we're gonna play.
763
00:34:10,314 --> 00:34:12,316
- Oh, my gosh.
- It's a pioneer favorite.
764
00:34:12,316 --> 00:34:14,100
It's called who's on your wagon?
765
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,276
Ooh.
766
00:34:16,276 --> 00:34:18,365
Imagine you're on a wagon train.
767
00:34:19,323 --> 00:34:21,368
You're crossing the plains.
768
00:34:21,368 --> 00:34:24,415
The oxen are worn.
You're at Winters Quarters.
769
00:34:24,415 --> 00:34:26,852
The snow and early winter storm
has come in,
770
00:34:26,852 --> 00:34:30,377
and our wagon
has too much weight,
771
00:34:30,377 --> 00:34:33,206
so one person has to go.
772
00:34:33,206 --> 00:34:35,208
Who do you throw off your wagon?
773
00:34:37,645 --> 00:34:39,691
Wow.
774
00:34:39,691 --> 00:34:41,562
Okay, Lisa, who are you
kicking off your wagon train?
775
00:34:41,562 --> 00:34:45,131
Um... well,
I'm a big supporter of women,
776
00:34:45,131 --> 00:34:47,307
so I would keep everyone
777
00:34:47,307 --> 00:34:49,527
but the one
that's the nastiest to women,
778
00:34:49,527 --> 00:34:51,442
so, Monica, you would have to go
779
00:34:51,442 --> 00:34:53,357
just 'cause you're mouthy
and mean to women.
780
00:34:53,357 --> 00:34:55,228
Oh, my God, you're so nasty.
781
00:34:55,228 --> 00:34:56,751
- No, I'm not.
- You really are nasty.
782
00:34:56,751 --> 00:34:58,579
I'm honest.
There's a difference.
783
00:34:58,579 --> 00:35:00,364
That's not...[mockingly] honest.
There's not a difference.
784
00:35:00,364 --> 00:35:01,974
You're just nasty.
785
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:03,236
You like my voice so much.
786
00:35:03,236 --> 00:35:04,759
You like to use it all the time.
I love that.
787
00:35:04,759 --> 00:35:05,717
I hate your voice so much.
788
00:35:05,717 --> 00:35:07,197
Actually, it's really annoying.
789
00:35:07,197 --> 00:35:08,546
I don't think
that's your real voice,
790
00:35:08,546 --> 00:35:09,851
to be honest, but...
791
00:35:09,851 --> 00:35:11,766
You wouldn't know
'cause we're not friends.
792
00:35:11,766 --> 00:35:13,725
- No, we're not.
- We're not.
793
00:35:13,725 --> 00:35:15,553
I mean, one of the main goals
of this brunch
794
00:35:15,553 --> 00:35:17,250
is for Monica and Lisa
to make amends
795
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:20,819
so that we can go on this trip
without all of this tension,
796
00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:23,561
and Lisa opens up
with "nasty to women"?
797
00:35:23,561 --> 00:35:24,997
Couldn't you have said
something a little softer like,
798
00:35:24,997 --> 00:35:27,260
"We're scared you'll sleep
with our brother-in-laws"
799
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:30,698
or... [laughs] something that
we could have come back from?
800
00:35:30,698 --> 00:35:31,873
You know what's nasty
is comments
801
00:35:31,873 --> 00:35:33,875
about someone's parent
not wanting them.
802
00:35:33,875 --> 00:35:35,790
- You're not my mother.
- Okay, Monica.
803
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:37,183
So, I don't need
to listen to you.
804
00:35:37,183 --> 00:35:40,491
Loving the moments.
805
00:35:41,796 --> 00:35:43,407
So, the real nasty bitch here
is you.
806
00:35:43,407 --> 00:35:46,061
You called your mom Ted Bundy.
807
00:35:46,061 --> 00:35:48,760
My mom was very, very charming
808
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,458
and very charismatic
and very nice,
809
00:35:51,458 --> 00:35:53,895
and so was Ted Bundy.
810
00:35:53,895 --> 00:35:56,507
The real nasty bitch here
is you.
811
00:35:56,507 --> 00:35:57,638
No, you called
your mom Ted Bundy.
812
00:35:57,638 --> 00:35:59,249
That's it. Period. End of story.
813
00:35:59,249 --> 00:36:01,033
And anyone that could talk
about their mother like that...
814
00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:02,687
- Period. End of story.
- ...will never be your friend.
815
00:36:02,687 --> 00:36:03,905
Oh, my God, Lisa.
Give me a break.
816
00:36:03,905 --> 00:36:05,603
Used to kill people,
have sex with them,
817
00:36:05,603 --> 00:36:07,126
decapitate 'em, and eat 'em.
- I would say--Oh.
818
00:36:07,126 --> 00:36:08,475
That's nasty.
819
00:36:08,475 --> 00:36:11,739
I'm not up to date
on all my serial killer facts,
820
00:36:11,739 --> 00:36:15,134
but I'm pretty sure it was
Jeffrey Dahmer that ate people,
821
00:36:15,134 --> 00:36:18,485
not Ted Bundy.
822
00:36:18,485 --> 00:36:20,661
It makes sense
that you liked the fakest one,
823
00:36:20,661 --> 00:36:21,619
'cause fake likes fake.
824
00:36:21,619 --> 00:36:23,969
Like, just be quiet.
825
00:36:23,969 --> 00:36:27,015
No, because we weren't done.
We weren't done.
826
00:36:27,015 --> 00:36:29,801
- No, I was done. I was done.
- We were not done with that.
827
00:36:29,801 --> 00:36:31,716
Hey, remember the Greek wedding?
Remember the Greek wedding?
828
00:36:31,716 --> 00:36:33,500
No, you don't get to tell me
when--when we're done.
829
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:34,675
And you don't get to tell me.
You don't get to tell me.
830
00:36:34,675 --> 00:36:36,982
Wait, this is not--Okay.
Okay, okay, okay.
831
00:36:36,982 --> 00:36:39,245
- You are so nasty on the inside.
- Monica, the day you treated
832
00:36:39,245 --> 00:36:41,116
your mother--
- You are so ugly.
833
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:45,947
I hate liars. There's
nothing uglier than a liar.
834
00:36:45,947 --> 00:36:47,558
- You don't know sh--.
- Monica, Monica, Monica.
835
00:36:47,558 --> 00:36:49,995
- No! Come for her!
- Monica, bring it down a level!
836
00:36:49,995 --> 00:36:51,301
She's the one that sits down
and starts with me.
837
00:36:51,301 --> 00:36:52,650
Monica.
I wanna say something.
838
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:54,913
- You're being crazy.
- Monica. Opa!
839
00:36:54,913 --> 00:36:56,567
I have never done
anything to her!
840
00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:58,090
Be quiet for a minute!
841
00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:02,355
The hypocrisy
is, like, next level.
842
00:37:04,183 --> 00:37:07,882
The fact that I'm being made
to feel like
843
00:37:07,882 --> 00:37:10,755
I'm in the wrong
when I'm just defending myself
844
00:37:10,755 --> 00:37:12,757
is very triggering for me.
845
00:37:12,757 --> 00:37:15,847
I think this is
very similar to situations
846
00:37:15,847 --> 00:37:18,110
with my mom where it's like
you can say
847
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,678
disgusting, awful,
hurtful, mean things,
848
00:37:20,678 --> 00:37:22,593
but you're never in the wrong.
849
00:37:22,593 --> 00:37:25,900
Come on, Monica. Come on,
get up. Bring your butter.
850
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:27,902
Your butter?
851
00:37:29,077 --> 00:37:31,079
What, are you crying?
What's going on?
852
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:32,994
I'm just being quiet.
853
00:37:50,098 --> 00:37:51,883
Are you crying? What ha--
854
00:37:51,883 --> 00:37:53,798
Why are you, like,
a different person right now?
855
00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:56,583
- What's going on?
- I'm just being quiet.
856
00:37:58,498 --> 00:38:00,239
You're not going?
857
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,155
Why? What did she say that
hurt you to this point?
858
00:38:03,155 --> 00:38:04,461
What?!
859
00:38:04,461 --> 00:38:07,333
I'm--I'm being sincere.
I don't understand.
860
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,944
- Were you not at that table?
- Yeah, but it was tit for tat.
861
00:38:09,944 --> 00:38:12,164
It was both of you guys, equal.
862
00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:14,253
- No, it was all of you...
- Lisa's fine. She's smiling.
863
00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:15,776
...against me.
864
00:38:15,776 --> 00:38:17,604
You know what?
865
00:38:19,084 --> 00:38:21,521
She----ing sat down
and came right for me.
866
00:38:21,521 --> 00:38:24,002
- No, she didn't. It was a game.
- That was not a game.
867
00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:25,743
- It was a game. It was a game.
- No, it was not a game.
868
00:38:25,743 --> 00:38:29,050
Hey, hey, listen, if you need
for me to acknowledge
869
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:31,183
that your mom's
not nice to you, I'm sorry.
870
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,620
And by me saying
I saw her being nice
871
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:37,189
does not mean
I...negate any of your feelings.
872
00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:39,887
The bottom line is,
Heather put a lot of effort
873
00:38:39,887 --> 00:38:42,499
into this lunch and this trip
she planned for all of us,
874
00:38:42,499 --> 00:38:45,023
and if it means, like,
talking to Monica
875
00:38:45,023 --> 00:38:47,373
and, like, working this out,
I'm willing to do it.
876
00:38:47,373 --> 00:38:49,201
Is that where I missed?
877
00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:52,291
I...don't... know.
878
00:38:52,291 --> 00:38:56,600
I'm just going to apologize
for saying you were ugly.
879
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,864
- I didn't mean that.
- Thanks.
880
00:38:59,864 --> 00:39:03,694
It shouldn't be this way.
We didn't start off this way.
881
00:39:06,044 --> 00:39:07,175
Do you know what I mean?
Like, let's just...
882
00:39:07,175 --> 00:39:09,395
take a deep breath,
move forward.
883
00:39:09,395 --> 00:39:11,397
- Mm-hmm.
- Come on.
884
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:22,713
Okay. Are we peaceful?
885
00:39:22,713 --> 00:39:25,672
Don't have to be besties,
but peaceful?
886
00:39:25,672 --> 00:39:27,935
Monica apologized.
We're gonna move forward.
887
00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:33,027
Okay, ladies, these are not
just place settings, you guys.
888
00:39:34,377 --> 00:39:35,595
These are actually invitations
889
00:39:35,595 --> 00:39:38,555
from Monica and me...
890
00:39:38,555 --> 00:39:41,384
...to go on a spectacular
girls trip
891
00:39:41,384 --> 00:39:44,691
to a foreign
passport-required location...
892
00:39:44,691 --> 00:39:46,171
- Whoo!
- Whoo!
893
00:39:46,171 --> 00:39:47,302
...that we wanna share
with you!
894
00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,609
- Oh, my God! Whoo!
- But I need Monica
895
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:51,742
to find her energy...
- Whoo!
896
00:39:51,742 --> 00:39:53,744
...and help me announce it.
897
00:39:57,704 --> 00:40:02,405
Come on, Monica.
898
00:40:02,405 --> 00:40:04,929
Okay, so these are the clues.
899
00:40:04,929 --> 00:40:08,323
The first clue is
where we're going is easy.
900
00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,761
So, why would a seashell
be important?
901
00:40:10,761 --> 00:40:11,892
'Cause we're
going to the ocean.
902
00:40:11,892 --> 00:40:13,111
We're going
somewhere near the ocean!
903
00:40:14,721 --> 00:40:15,766
In fact, where we're going
is an island.
904
00:40:15,766 --> 00:40:17,507
- There's an island?!
- Aah!
905
00:40:18,812 --> 00:40:21,075
It's somewhere with what?
Monica, tell them.
906
00:40:21,075 --> 00:40:22,555
You're the only person here
that's seen it.
907
00:40:22,555 --> 00:40:23,861
Pink sand in an ocean.
908
00:40:23,861 --> 00:40:25,602
Pink sand.
Get your pink sand out.
909
00:40:25,602 --> 00:40:27,734
- Pink sand?
- Pink sand beaches.
910
00:40:27,734 --> 00:40:29,606
Does anyone know
where pink sand beaches exist?
911
00:40:29,606 --> 00:40:31,477
Bermuda!
912
00:40:31,477 --> 00:40:33,479
Oh, my gosh.
913
00:40:34,741 --> 00:40:37,004
You're the smartest one here!
914
00:40:37,004 --> 00:40:38,789
We're going to Bermuda.
915
00:40:38,789 --> 00:40:41,748
Monica used to go there for the
summers with her grandmother.
916
00:40:41,748 --> 00:40:43,271
It's part of
the New York mission.
917
00:40:43,271 --> 00:40:45,535
It has
a huge Portuguese community,
918
00:40:45,535 --> 00:40:48,233
and, Monica, tell them why
there's a tiny, little skull.
919
00:40:48,233 --> 00:40:52,019
Because we're all
going home to hell,
920
00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:55,153
to Devil's Triangle,
where we all belong.
921
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:56,502
Okay.
922
00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:04,858
Are you okay?
923
00:41:04,858 --> 00:41:07,600
I feel done. I'm done.
I'm spent.
924
00:41:13,867 --> 00:41:15,347
Okay, so, we're not going
on the trip?
925
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:18,132
I really don't think
it's a good idea for me to go.
926
00:41:18,132 --> 00:41:19,830
That's how I feel right now.
927
00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:22,659
Well, we planned it around you
and Bermuda and your grandma...
928
00:41:22,659 --> 00:41:24,182
I don't know what to--
I don't know--
929
00:41:24,182 --> 00:41:25,575
...and the summers
you spent there.
930
00:41:25,575 --> 00:41:26,880
Yeah, that was
a very different--
931
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,708
This is
totally different energy.
932
00:41:28,708 --> 00:41:31,189
Like, you were
attacking her full force,
933
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,844
and now you're crying and acting
like we all came at you?
934
00:41:37,064 --> 00:41:40,677
I always really wondered why Jen
935
00:41:40,677 --> 00:41:45,159
never had anything nice
to say about Heather and Lisa,
936
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,250
and now I know exactly why.
937
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:52,427
Well, Bermuda is
gonna be great fun.
938
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:59,826
- Where is that Monica?
- Y'all killed her real quick.
939
00:42:01,872 --> 00:42:05,440
She's dead,
like Taylor Swift said.
940
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,920
What?
941
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,921
She's dead.
942
00:42:13,492 --> 00:42:16,713
Next time on "The Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
943
00:42:16,713 --> 00:42:18,497
What is your perfect man?
944
00:42:18,497 --> 00:42:20,368
He's faceless.
He has a ski mask on.
945
00:42:20,368 --> 00:42:22,980
Is there
a therapist in the house?!
946
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:26,592
I don't want Pioneer Day
part two to happen in Bermuda.
947
00:42:26,592 --> 00:42:28,594
I'm starting
to realize that you can never
948
00:42:28,594 --> 00:42:31,075
really count on what you're
gonna get with Monica.
949
00:42:31,075 --> 00:42:32,076
The trip is
hanging in the balance.
950
00:42:32,076 --> 00:42:35,601
I just got a really bad message.
951
00:42:35,601 --> 00:42:38,082
What?
952
00:42:38,082 --> 00:42:42,347
I feel like Lisa--
she gets nasty, that one.
953
00:42:42,347 --> 00:42:43,957
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
954
00:42:43,957 --> 00:42:47,265
The whole thing
with Angie felt icky,
955
00:42:47,265 --> 00:42:48,919
and I don't wanna
be around this anymore.
956
00:42:48,919 --> 00:42:51,704
I am not the one bringing
the tornado.
957
00:42:51,704 --> 00:42:53,924
Karma comes back.
958
00:42:53,924 --> 00:42:56,143
- Everything is about you.
- No, it's not.
959
00:42:56,143 --> 00:42:57,971
- I am always there for you!
- No, I'm so sorry.
960
00:42:57,971 --> 00:42:59,625
- Always there for you.
- No, no, no. listen.
961
00:42:59,625 --> 00:43:02,323
- Always there for you.
- this. [bleep] this.