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<i>Tonight, part two of</i>

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<i>"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.</i>

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I don't think I'd be married
to Meredith anymore

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if we didn't engage
in taint play.

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- All right, enough. Enough.
- Okay.

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You really were gonna keep
running with that.

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The hard part I have is
watching you make fun of Lisa.

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I've never said anything
derogatory about Meredith.

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I could not process what was
going on at that time

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due to other things that were
going on in my life...

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- But you were saying it long--
- ...that I had no support

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from my friends on,
and you know what?

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Well, I was supporting you. So
I'll exclude myself from that.

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No, you were not.

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How long can I keep myself open
to repairing something

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that you don't wanna repair?

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She pled guilty. That doesn't
make you have any reaction?

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After she's sentenced, I'm sure
I will have more of an opinion.

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Are you scared of her
coming after you

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by saying something about it?

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There was speculation that she
pled guilty to keep Coach

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from being implicated.

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If that was true,
it makes sense.

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So does that mean you think
he possibly had knowledge

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and is letting her take
the fall?

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<i>Part two of "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion</i>

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<i>starts now.</i>

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We are back with

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"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

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I'm Andy Cohen.

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Angie K., at the finale,

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you said she may have received
the black eye

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during Barbie scissor kicks
and suggested that

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it may be the result of some
sort of sexcapade gone wrong.

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Everybody is saying that perhaps
her and Heather

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were in their room
doing Barbie scissor kicks

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and then Jen beat the sh--
out of her.

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What led you to believe that?

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Well, I was talking to
some people, and they said,

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"Have you ever heard
of any sexual relations

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between Heather and Jen?"

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And I have never heard
that before,

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so I assumed,
okay, this is obviously...

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You've been friends with her
for 20 years.

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You thought we'd had a sex act?

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Girl, there's a lot of things
I didn't know about Jen.

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I know--I don't know things
about your sexual life.

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Well, to add insult to injury,

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now I had--it's a sexcapade

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with Jen that I'm covering up
for my blackout,

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so just is getting better.

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No, but you have to ima--
you have to understand

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what people were thinking
watching you on top of Jen.

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You know where it was?

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And what?

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- You looked like you maybe...
- It wasn't a sex injury.

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I mean, I understand why
she would ask that.

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And if it was, I don't remember,

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and I've never been attracted
to Jen like that.

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Let me ask you this.
As a woman who wakes up

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with a black eye and scratches,

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I mean, didn't you want to find
the person who did it?

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I kind of felt like

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because I had been drinking,
whatever happened to me,

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I deserved it, and I just felt
embarrassed and ashamed.

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Oh, that's terrible.

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Well, Heather, I'm glad
you're safe, at least,

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despite all of the confusion,

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and I hope you give yourself
a break because

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it's certainly not worth
the shame spiral that

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you're putting yourself through.

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All right, Angie H., Angie K.,
and Danna,

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thanks so much for joining us.
- Thank you.

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We're gonna let you go,

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and we'll be right back
after this.

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- Love you.
- I love you, and I'm so sorry.

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Don't be ashamed.

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Oh, can we do that really quick?

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- Can we get a photo?
- Yes, let's do it.

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It's like, they were all right,
you know?

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You go to the dark side,
and look what happens.

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You fall off the--you know,

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you become
this debaucherous fool,

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and I'm so embarrassed.

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I don't wanna block--
I'm blocking Danna.

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All right, here we go, guys.

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Five, four, three, two...

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Back with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

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Throughout this season, Whitney
took us on her healing journey,

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as she worked toward moving past
her childhood pain.

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This must have been

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an incredibly difficult time
for you.

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How did you unlock these
memories in the first place?

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There was something
that would haunt me,

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and this last couple years,

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I started having
physical manifestations,

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meaning like I was having
all these health problems,

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and that's where I started doing
memory recall work,

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'cause I kind of always knew
that there was...

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Something else.

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Something else, and...

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it--it started coming back
to me,

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and I never imagined that
I'd be questioned about it,

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that I'd get hate for it,
that that was--

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Who's questioned you?
The viewers? Your family?

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I felt like my cast members
questioned me,

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and then viewers.

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Given where your relationship,
uh, has gone this season,

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did you feel like you were able
to support her

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in the way that you would've

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had you two been
in a better place?

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No, because we didn't ever
discuss it

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if we weren't on camera.

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Well, after the dinner
in Arizona,

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when she told me that
my healing journey was childish,

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foolish, sloppy, and I made
the trip about myself...

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You arranged this trip.
You wanted to celebrate Jen,

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not to work through all
of your personal issues

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and your issues
and friendship with Lisa.

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You made it about you.

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This--I did not make this
about me.

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The first night was about you,
and you were crying,

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and we talked all about
your childhood abuse.

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Why would I ever come back
to you

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and try to have a conversation
about that?

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I did not realize that that
was what we were talking about,

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and I am horrified
that you would think

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that I would ever dismiss
your feelings like that.

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- That's where--
- That's not how I've ever been.

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It's not how I ever would be,
and that would have been

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a complete anomaly
for how I feel about you.

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How does it feel hearing
what she's saying now?

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Does that change
anything for you?

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Not yet.

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- Not yet.
- Mnh-mnh.

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Jay from Little Rock said,
"Whitney, have you spoken

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to your abuser since these
memories resurfaced?"

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- No.
- You have not.

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Have not.

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I'm sorry you had
to go through that.

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Thank you.

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They're cousins, ex-Mormons,
and good time girls,

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but we experienced Bad Weather
this season,

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as Heather and Whitney's
relationship

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went from bright and sunny
to dark and stormy.

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Let's watch.

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Distant cousins.
The buzzin' cousins.

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Angie told us that John Barlow
and Lisa...

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Babe, that was--we--

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...have those tickets because
Lisa sleeps with [bleep].

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- And you were there.
- I did not hear it.

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- You were there.
- It's a lie.

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At a very basic level,

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if Heather can't validate
my feelings and hear me,

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then I probably have
to take a friendship break.

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You know what? For me, loyalty's
a----ing deal-breaker.

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Deal broken.

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I feel very sad that Bad Weather

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has been, like, a dark
rain cloud over your head.

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Be free, young Whitney.

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I will not hold you back
any longer...

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- That's--that's not what--
- ...and live your best life.

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I want Bad Weather back. I think
that we're stronger together.

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I think that's taking me
for granted

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to assume that it
would come back like it was.

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Okay, so I don't think anyone
saw this one coming.

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Where do the two
of you stand now?

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I mean, it's not good.

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Buzz from L.A. said, "Whitney,
after watching the episode back,

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do you stand by calling Heather
a liar?

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If you told the story again sober,

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do you think you'd have
the same outcome?

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It would be
the same conversation--

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why are you lying about this?

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I didn't hear you say that, Whitney.

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I've come to--I've come to the
terms that she doesn't remember.

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I never heard
you say those rumors about Lisa.

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I've accepted that. I-I don't
agree, but I accept it.

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Angie said she never said it.

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You believe now that she never--

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But being drunk,
it makes it so messy

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because I get confused
with my words,

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and when you're going up
against someone

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who's like a master debater,
it's hard.

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Who's a master debater? Heather?

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- Heather.
- Me?

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- Yes.
- Oh. Thank you.

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- Congratulations.
- Thank you.

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Fola from Atlanta said,
"Heather, if you choose

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to recuse something
from your memory,

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that is your right.

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Is that your way of saying that

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you did hear the rumors
about Lisa?"

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No, I did not hear the rumor
that became the big flame,

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but I did hear rumors about Lisa

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in my bedroom
when we arrived in Arizona.

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Meredith has talked to you
about rumors about Lisa?

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Mm-hmm.

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About what?

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Um, like, affairs.

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But what Meredith has heard
is that Lisa has performed

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sexual favors
for the advancement of Vida.

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Vida Tequila?

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So that's why I was trying--
they were conflated.

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The details are
gonna trip us up.

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I was just trying to answer.
I was--

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Why--Why that one rumor, though?

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- There's two separate issues.
- Why that one thing?

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There's two separate issues.

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If you wanna say horrible things
about people

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and I choose to not believe it
and not ever repeat it,

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I don't want you to come
and say, "I told you,

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therefore you're--
you're part of this."

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That's not fair. That's me
recusing myself from it.

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Why would--why would her--

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But I also didn't hear
that rumor.

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Why would her calling you a liar
evoke such a huge reaction?

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Because I wasn't lying.

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- I thought she was referencing.
- Yeah, and--

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- Let's just be real.
- Well--

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Nobody likes being
called a liar.

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- She called me a liar, too.
- I said, "That's a lie."

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She was equally calling me
a liar.

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You called me a liar
and a drunk.

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Meredith from Mead, Washington,
said, "Heather, you say

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you're a loyal friend,
because you kept forgiving

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and defending Jen,
despite her constant lies

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and scamming innocent victims.

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Didn't Whitney deserve at least
the same patience

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and grace you gave Jen
for far worse?"

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That's an interesting point.

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Do you think she holds you
to a different standard

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that she holds Jen?

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- Definitely.
- Absolutely.

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I hold her to an absolutely
different standard.

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You hold her
to a higher standard.

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- Much higher.
- But your actions

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don't convey that. Like,
Jen can do anything to you,

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and you'll go running
right back.

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Yeah, because I hold her
to a lower standard.

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I-I called you a liar
over a rumor.

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And I was upset by it because
I hold you to a higher standard.

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And--but that's, like, that's
the only thing I've ever done.

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Do you think that her
newfound friendship with Lisa

245
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clouded your judgment
of Whitney?

246
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Yes, 100%. It felt like
such a quick pivot, such a 180,

247
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that it made me question everything.

248
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My question is, though, is,
like, Heather, you and I

249
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were working on our friendship,
so I would think that

250
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you would want me and Whitney
to be friends, too.

251
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- Like, I would think that--
- I-I would.

252
00:10:00,774 --> 00:10:02,123
- Yeah, I thought we were--
- I was--I thought we were

253
00:10:02,123 --> 00:10:03,385
all working toward it.
That's why when she said,

254
00:10:03,385 --> 00:10:04,865
"Should I discuss these rumors
with Lisa?"

255
00:10:04,865 --> 00:10:07,084
I said, "Absolutely not
right now.

256
00:10:07,084 --> 00:10:09,043
Do it in a constructive,
positive way,"

257
00:10:09,043 --> 00:10:11,785
and I think it really was
a giant step backward

258
00:10:11,785 --> 00:10:13,700
for your friendship
and for our friendship

259
00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:15,223
and for our friendship.

260
00:10:15,223 --> 00:10:16,877
- But it wasn't a step where--
- Yeah, but you can't put

261
00:10:16,877 --> 00:10:18,008
all that blame on me.
- It wasn't--It wasn't a step

262
00:10:18,008 --> 00:10:19,401
backward for me and Meredith
because--

263
00:10:19,401 --> 00:10:20,794
No, I just--When that happened--

264
00:10:20,794 --> 00:10:21,882
She's just--she's just saying
that's how she felt.

265
00:10:21,882 --> 00:10:23,361
And you two are still tight.

266
00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:25,320
- Yeah, I love Whitney.
- Yeah, very close.

267
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,236
E.J. from Atlanta said,
"Heather, you seemed shocked

268
00:10:28,236 --> 00:10:30,455
to find out you and Whitney
were on a friendship break.

269
00:10:30,455 --> 00:10:32,719
Whitney, why did you talk
with everyone but Heather

270
00:10:32,719 --> 00:10:34,242
about the break?"

271
00:10:34,242 --> 00:10:35,896
I literally made that decision
in that conversation

272
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in the hot tub
right before San Diego.

273
00:10:38,899 --> 00:10:41,249
What Jen was doing was
deflecting from the fact

274
00:10:41,249 --> 00:10:44,078
that <i>she</i> had said a lot
about Heather in the hot tub,

275
00:10:44,078 --> 00:10:45,819
because I have received
so many texts,

276
00:10:45,819 --> 00:10:47,168
"I----ing hate Heather,"
and I'm like,

277
00:10:47,168 --> 00:10:48,648
"If you----ing hate Heather..."
- Yeah.

278
00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:49,997
...you need to talk
to her about it.

279
00:10:49,997 --> 00:10:51,172
- By the way...
- But--

280
00:10:51,172 --> 00:10:52,564
...you bring up
a really good point,

281
00:10:52,564 --> 00:10:54,566
because the flashbacks
that they showed

282
00:10:54,566 --> 00:10:56,046
of you ladies in the hot tub,

283
00:10:56,046 --> 00:10:58,701
I mean, Jen was
slagging you off.

284
00:10:58,701 --> 00:11:00,703
I felt better when I walked in,

285
00:11:00,703 --> 00:11:02,705
and Heather was, like,
not in charge,

286
00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:03,750
'cause I was like,
if Heather's in charge,

287
00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:04,968
this is not a real thing.

288
00:11:04,968 --> 00:11:06,448
Heather has always
made me feel like,

289
00:11:06,448 --> 00:11:08,842
"Jen, you need as many friends
as you can get,

290
00:11:08,842 --> 00:11:10,670
so just roll with it."

291
00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:12,672
Heather is my friend 60%
of the time.

292
00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:15,631
The point I'm at in my life with
everything I'm going through,

293
00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:17,415
I don't need friends like that.

294
00:11:17,415 --> 00:11:18,590
Were you upset by anything
that you saw?

295
00:11:18,590 --> 00:11:19,940
- I have--I have--
- No, Heather--

296
00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:21,637
You wanna see "I----ing
hate Heather"? I got it.

297
00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:23,639
Were you upset by anything that
you saw Jen saying about you?

298
00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:24,988
- Absolutely.
- You were.

299
00:11:24,988 --> 00:11:26,686
I was completely upset,
and I--when I saw that--

300
00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:28,339
- Did you confront her about it?
- Yeah, when I saw that play out,

301
00:11:28,339 --> 00:11:32,430
I texted her and said, "When did
you get so good at math? 60%?"

302
00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:34,128
But Whitney was talking bad
about me, too.

303
00:11:34,128 --> 00:11:35,912
- Unh-unh, no, I was not.
- No, she was not. She did not.

304
00:11:35,912 --> 00:11:38,045
Uh, let me--let me--can I speak?
This is my question.

305
00:11:38,045 --> 00:11:39,437
I just--everyone was talking bad
about me.

306
00:11:39,437 --> 00:11:41,483
- I'm upset with everyone.
- No, they weren't.

307
00:11:41,483 --> 00:11:42,745
You're blanket statement-ing it,
Heather. It's not true.

308
00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:45,226
Heather, Heather, I did not talk
badly about you.

309
00:11:45,226 --> 00:11:46,749
I said, I need to put up
some boundaries

310
00:11:46,749 --> 00:11:49,578
because I feel like I keep
working on the relationship,

311
00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:53,147
and you keep shutting me down,
and you're not receptive to it.

312
00:11:53,147 --> 00:11:56,803
How long can I keep myself open
to repairing something

313
00:11:56,803 --> 00:11:58,369
that you don't wanna repair?

314
00:12:01,372 --> 00:12:02,417
<i>Up next...</i>

315
00:12:02,417 --> 00:12:03,984
- She pled guilty.
- Right.

316
00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:06,508
That doesn't make you have
any reaction?

317
00:12:06,508 --> 00:12:07,814
I'm sure I will have more
of a opinion on it.

318
00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:10,207
Are you scared of her?

319
00:12:22,045 --> 00:12:25,440
How long can I keep myself open
to repairing something

320
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,704
that you don't wanna repair?

321
00:12:28,704 --> 00:12:31,011
And it very much was a break.
We weren't talking every day.

322
00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:33,970
We weren't doing things
together, and I swear to God,

323
00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:36,016
I never said anything bad
about you in that hot tub.

324
00:12:36,016 --> 00:12:37,626
- She did not.
- Jen absolutely did.

325
00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:40,629
Did you see a flashback
of her talking bad about you

326
00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:42,370
in the hot tub,
or did you hear it from Jen?

327
00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:43,937
I can't remember anything specifically.

328
00:12:43,937 --> 00:12:46,461
Just--Just the thought of,
you know,

329
00:12:46,461 --> 00:12:50,726
your go-to engaging in any part
of that conversation

330
00:12:50,726 --> 00:12:52,075
just felt--
it felt like a betrayal.

331
00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:53,685
Did it feel like a betrayal
when you saw

332
00:12:53,685 --> 00:12:55,035
how Jen was speaking?

333
00:12:55,035 --> 00:12:56,819
Yes, absolutely.
It felt like a betrayal.

334
00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:58,647
But you texted her and not me.

335
00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:00,649
We already knew where we were
because of BravoCon.

336
00:13:00,649 --> 00:13:03,260
Who reaches the most on camera?
Whitney Rose.

337
00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:05,610
How?

338
00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:08,265
You decided that you just
were gonna dump me as a friend,

339
00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:13,575
not tell me, and that to me,
feels like a reach.

340
00:13:13,575 --> 00:13:15,925
I--No. No, no, no, no, no.

341
00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:17,797
And because of the things

342
00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,494
that you said on your podcast
about me.

343
00:13:19,494 --> 00:13:21,670
Honestly, when it comes
to Heather, I...

344
00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:23,977
I'm no longer gonna hold back.

345
00:13:23,977 --> 00:13:25,543
She needs to go look
in the mirror and tell herself

346
00:13:25,543 --> 00:13:29,112
her own lies until she realizes
she's lying to herself.

347
00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:31,419
- Mm-hmm.
- And that's what happens

348
00:13:31,419 --> 00:13:32,768
when people don't live
in their own truth.

349
00:13:32,768 --> 00:13:34,422
They don't know
what the truth is,

350
00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:37,686
so they hide behind a disguise
of manipulation and gaslighting.

351
00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:39,862
- So I knew how we felt.
- That was after BravoCon.

352
00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:43,474
You were the one at BravoCon
that flipflopped on <i>me.</i>

353
00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,302
<i>- Okay.</i>
- But--But I want you to know

354
00:13:45,302 --> 00:13:46,913
something about Jen.
I did not say anything bad--

355
00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:48,305
I don't wanna litigate Jen.
She's not here.

356
00:13:48,305 --> 00:13:49,698
Yeah, but you should know something.

357
00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:51,482
- And I shouldn't--
- She was so nasty that day.

358
00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:53,093
Yes, she would say,
"[bleep] Heather.

359
00:13:53,093 --> 00:13:54,398
My lawyers----ing hate Heather.
Sharrieff hates Heather,"

360
00:13:54,398 --> 00:13:56,096
and we shut it down.
You know what?

361
00:13:56,096 --> 00:13:57,749
Okay, so Jen's
a horrible person.

362
00:13:57,749 --> 00:13:59,142
What do you guys want me to do?

363
00:13:59,142 --> 00:14:01,449
We're not saying that.
I'm telling you.

364
00:14:01,449 --> 00:14:03,364
- What am I in trouble for?
- In this situation, Whitney--

365
00:14:03,364 --> 00:14:06,933
you were throwing Whitney
under the bus for Jen.

366
00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:08,543
You even said it
at the Marilyn Monroe dinner

367
00:14:08,543 --> 00:14:10,458
that you're ride-or-die Jen
to Whitney, who was asking you

368
00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:12,112
to hear her, hear her feelings
and telling her--

369
00:14:12,112 --> 00:14:13,330
I'm not using that term
"ride-or-die" anymore.

370
00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:16,377
I've seen a lot.
I'm processing a lot.

371
00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:17,900
- Okay.
- I saw a lot of information,

372
00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:20,294
and I'm saying to both of you

373
00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:22,992
I appreciate your deep concern
for my loyalty to Jen.

374
00:14:22,992 --> 00:14:24,341
I don't think
it's really an issue anymore.

375
00:14:24,341 --> 00:14:25,560
- It's not. That's--Okay.
- I don't--I don't--

376
00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,083
This is where we're
wordsmithing.

377
00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,345
- That's not an issue.
- No, wait, wait.

378
00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:29,999
This is where
we're wordsmithing.

379
00:14:29,999 --> 00:14:31,348
It's not about your loyalty to
Jen. It's about her feelings.

380
00:14:31,348 --> 00:14:33,524
No, it's not--No, it's about--
it's about--

381
00:14:33,524 --> 00:14:36,658
Is it about her loyalty to Jen
versus her loyalty to you?

382
00:14:36,658 --> 00:14:38,529
Yeah. I have zero loyalty to me.

383
00:14:38,529 --> 00:14:40,270
Okay, I feel like I've tried
to be a loyal friend to you.

384
00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:43,795
Shawn M.J. from Cincinnati
raised a sentiment

385
00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:46,668
that we got a lot, which is, um,
"Is there something going on

386
00:14:46,668 --> 00:14:48,713
in your life off camera

387
00:14:48,713 --> 00:14:50,367
that's making you act
differently this year?

388
00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:52,369
The way you handled a lot
of conflicts,

389
00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:55,198
especially with Whitney,
seemed out of character

390
00:14:55,198 --> 00:14:58,375
from the way that we've seen you
in the past."

391
00:14:58,375 --> 00:14:59,986
What would you put
your finger on there?

392
00:14:59,986 --> 00:15:02,162
We were dealing with a lot of
really, heavy, heavy topics,

393
00:15:02,162 --> 00:15:03,946
which is uncomfortable for me.

394
00:15:03,946 --> 00:15:05,252
Topics--her dealing
with her past abuse?

395
00:15:05,252 --> 00:15:08,211
And we're talking about
childhood trauma,

396
00:15:08,211 --> 00:15:10,953
felony charges, prison...
- Okay.

397
00:15:10,953 --> 00:15:14,348
...adultery, and I,
writing the book,

398
00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:17,003
made me especially vulnerable.

399
00:15:17,003 --> 00:15:19,570
I had to revisit
my entire childhood.

400
00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:22,704
A lot of really cathartic things
in the book that made

401
00:15:22,704 --> 00:15:26,229
my emotions come to the surface
and made me less stable

402
00:15:26,229 --> 00:15:30,059
and less amenable
to being a good person.

403
00:15:30,059 --> 00:15:35,151
I guess for me, you seemed like,
to me,

404
00:15:35,151 --> 00:15:37,414
for the first couple seasons,

405
00:15:37,414 --> 00:15:40,548
like kind of the epitome of
the kind of "own it" girl,

406
00:15:40,548 --> 00:15:43,420
and this season it seemed
really confusing.

407
00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:44,334
- Yeah.
- I was having a hard time

408
00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:46,510
following your train of thought.

409
00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:48,599
Watching it back,
I have a hard time

410
00:15:48,599 --> 00:15:51,776
following my train of thought,
but I think there were victories

411
00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:55,476
like I realized that I'd been
insensitive to Lisa on ski day,

412
00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:56,999
and I went straight over to you

413
00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,566
and was accountable
and apologized.

414
00:15:58,566 --> 00:16:01,264
I'm trying to find moments
of accountability and clarity

415
00:16:01,264 --> 00:16:03,223
and steps forward.

416
00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:07,053
I think for all of us, we all
have moments of weakness.

417
00:16:07,053 --> 00:16:08,837
We all have other things
going on in our lives.

418
00:16:08,837 --> 00:16:11,057
I think every one of us will say
we see things play back,

419
00:16:11,057 --> 00:16:15,452
and we recognize, "Wow, I should
have done something different."

420
00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:18,760
What are you most nervous about,
about the book?

421
00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,589
Because you seem to be under
pressure relating to it.

422
00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:24,331
It's my family,
but coming on the show,

423
00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:26,463
um, was big enough
for my family, but, um--

424
00:16:26,463 --> 00:16:27,551
Yeah, you ripped
that Band-Aid off.

425
00:16:27,551 --> 00:16:29,205
Yeah.
I mean, that was...

426
00:16:29,205 --> 00:16:31,512
- Yeah.
- Uh, I've just been schooled

427
00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:34,036
to never talk about these things
and that if I did

428
00:16:34,036 --> 00:16:36,908
talk about these things,
I would be condemned.

429
00:16:36,908 --> 00:16:38,606
I'm in litigation
with the Church,

430
00:16:38,606 --> 00:16:40,477
and if the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints

431
00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:42,436
is suing me, I can only imagine
the reaction

432
00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:45,830
that my community and friends
and family are gonna have

433
00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,832
when they actually read the book

434
00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:50,313
because I'm talking about
the things that are unspoken.

435
00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,141
- So this is--
- And you know that's big.

436
00:16:52,141 --> 00:16:54,578
So--So you were working
on this book

437
00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:57,451
during the entire season,
so you had--

438
00:16:57,451 --> 00:16:59,148
This is an important piece
of your story.

439
00:16:59,148 --> 00:17:04,066
It is my story, and I should've
been a lot better of a friend,

440
00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:05,633
and I know that it affected me personally.

441
00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:06,982
So the two of you,

442
00:17:06,982 --> 00:17:12,292
where do we see
this friendship going from here?

443
00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:15,251
Everything leading up
until today

444
00:17:15,251 --> 00:17:18,037
tells me that you want nothing
to do with me.

445
00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:19,081
Do you?

446
00:17:19,081 --> 00:17:20,256
Like, you even said it yourself.

447
00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,736
- I don't know.
-"Once people cross me--"

448
00:17:21,736 --> 00:17:23,042
- You don't know? You don't know.
-"Once people cross me,"

449
00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,392
she cuts 'em out forever.
- I'm sitting here.

450
00:17:25,392 --> 00:17:28,003
I'm listening.
I'm trying to receive it.

451
00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,790
All right. Well, we're gonna
leave it there,

452
00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:34,618
and we're gonna be right back.

453
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,626
- It is already 2:40.
- I know.

454
00:17:42,626 --> 00:17:43,932
All right.

455
00:17:43,932 --> 00:17:48,110
- Are we good to go?
- Are we going to lunch?

456
00:18:06,781 --> 00:18:08,696
She's playing the victim card.

457
00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:10,219
She knows that she's--
She knows that she's...

458
00:18:10,219 --> 00:18:11,568
Heather's 100% being the victim.

459
00:18:11,568 --> 00:18:12,700
...----ed up, she knows
that she looks bad.

460
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:13,918
She knows that
she has flipflopped.

461
00:18:13,918 --> 00:18:15,442
She knows that she's talked sh--
about Jen.

462
00:18:15,442 --> 00:18:17,748
She knows that she doesn't
wanna be my friend.

463
00:18:17,748 --> 00:18:19,576
So what she's doing is
she's coming in

464
00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:22,231
with her tail between her legs
and acting like...

465
00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:24,233
- She can't even--
- ...everything that we have done

466
00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:27,671
is to her so that no one
can, like, argue it.

467
00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:30,457
This is hard because
she's so subdued.

468
00:18:30,457 --> 00:18:32,154
I'm like, who is this person?

469
00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:33,634
I don't even know who
this person is.

470
00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:44,993
They're coming back.

471
00:18:44,993 --> 00:18:47,126
All right, guys, two minutes
or less. Two minutes or less.

472
00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:49,432
- You look good, babe.
- Oh, are you on our couch?

473
00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:51,478
- Yeah.
- In between us?

474
00:18:51,478 --> 00:18:53,480
- 90 more seconds.
- I like that.

475
00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,177
Can we get closer, Meredith,
or is that...

476
00:18:55,177 --> 00:18:57,353
No.

477
00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:00,922
I know.

478
00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:02,793
I don't have a husband either.

479
00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:04,665
You're my husband.

480
00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:05,970
- ...Clear the set.
- Oh, she did?

481
00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:09,191
Okay, I will keep this
as painless as possible.

482
00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:10,888
- Okay, we're looking this way.
- All right, in five...

483
00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:13,195
four... three...

484
00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:14,892
two... one.

485
00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:16,372
Welcome back to

486
00:19:16,372 --> 00:19:19,593
"The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" Reunion.

487
00:19:19,593 --> 00:19:21,290
- Welcome, husbands.
- Hi, Andy.

488
00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:23,510
- Thank you.
- How you doing, John Barlow?

489
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:25,816
- Great. Thanks for having me.
- Thanks for coming.

490
00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,557
- How are you, sir?
- I'm doing great.

491
00:19:27,557 --> 00:19:31,692
Looks like career shift has--
it's working well for you.

492
00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:33,084
Yeah, we've got the unemployment
beard working right now.

493
00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:34,477
- Nice.
- Yeah.

494
00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:36,175
- Hey, Seth.
- Hey, Andy.

495
00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:39,526
Has Brett Favre reached out
to you for a meetup?

496
00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:41,484
My perfect boyfriend
is Brett Favre.

497
00:19:41,484 --> 00:19:43,791
Unfortunately, no.

498
00:19:43,791 --> 00:19:46,228
Now I'm actually looking for
a new man crush.

499
00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:47,708
- Okay. Okay.
- Yes.

500
00:19:47,708 --> 00:19:49,840
You're looking good tonight.

501
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,886
Uh, Alyssa from Chicago said,
"Justin, I'm so sorry

502
00:19:51,886 --> 00:19:54,236
to hear about the loss
of your job.

503
00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:55,890
What have you been up to
since parting ways

504
00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:57,761
with your old company?

505
00:19:57,761 --> 00:20:01,548
Once I got over the anxiety
of the uncertainty

506
00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:03,158
of just not knowing
what's coming next,

507
00:20:03,158 --> 00:20:05,595
it was pretty awesome.

508
00:20:05,595 --> 00:20:06,770
You know, I know that
when it was discussed,

509
00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:09,643
that clip of you and Whitney...

510
00:20:09,643 --> 00:20:12,776
- Mm-hmm.
- ...canoodling, so to speak.

511
00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:13,690
Okay.

512
00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:15,910
- Ohh!
- Exactly.

513
00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:17,390
I mean, did
they specifically say,

514
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:19,870
"We don't like how you're
behaving on the show"?

515
00:20:19,870 --> 00:20:21,394
- No.
- No. It--

516
00:20:21,394 --> 00:20:23,874
Nothing specific
was ever said about it,

517
00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:25,354
but it happened
right after that.

518
00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:26,790
Got it.

519
00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:28,096
And I think that was kinda
like a... "Hey, we're..."

520
00:20:28,096 --> 00:20:29,315
- The last straw.
- Yeah.

521
00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:31,055
Seth, anything that crosses
the line for you

522
00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:33,232
when it comes to filming?

523
00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,757
We obviously saw you take
a bubble bath with Meredith.

524
00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:38,062
Thank you for that, by the way.

525
00:20:38,062 --> 00:20:39,934
I wish you would've done
a little more, but...

526
00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:42,153
That's the whole thing. Like,
everyone's making it look like

527
00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:43,503
it's this big, sexy moment.

528
00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:45,940
It was, like, we were chatting
in the tub.

529
00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:50,205
So Brooksy, I think,
is coming out to visit soon.

530
00:20:51,989 --> 00:20:55,863
Please do not put your foot
near my taint

531
00:20:55,863 --> 00:20:56,951
while you're talking
about our children.

532
00:20:56,951 --> 00:21:00,389
A toe in the taint
is pretty sexy.

533
00:21:01,521 --> 00:21:03,610
My foot was under
his butt cheek

534
00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:06,482
so I wouldn't slip.
That's all it was.

535
00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:08,223
- It was a leverage point.
- Exactly.

536
00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:09,703
Got it.

537
00:21:09,703 --> 00:21:13,620
Blair from Connecticut is
worried, Lisa and John,

538
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:16,362
that you're spoiling Jack
with the Range Rover,

539
00:21:16,362 --> 00:21:19,147
fancy vacations,
expensive clothes.

540
00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:21,497
Do you have any regrets
about the way you've raised him,

541
00:21:21,497 --> 00:21:24,239
and do you take responsibility
for him

542
00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:25,893
not having interest in college?

543
00:21:25,893 --> 00:21:27,808
I have no regrets.
He's a great kid.

544
00:21:27,808 --> 00:21:30,332
He's really helpful
around the house.

545
00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:31,594
Since he was in, like,
sixth grade,

546
00:21:31,594 --> 00:21:32,987
we've never had to wake him up.

547
00:21:32,987 --> 00:21:34,945
He gets himself up.
He gets himself to school,

548
00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:38,297
manages his work schedule,
manages school schedule.

549
00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:41,387
We do remind him that he's got
some good things going, too.

550
00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:42,953
- Yeah.
- So keep him humble.

551
00:21:42,953 --> 00:21:45,216
There are some times where
we're like, "It's not yours."

552
00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:48,002
John and Seth, the strain
in your wives' relationship

553
00:21:48,002 --> 00:21:52,528
clearly affected yours and made
for some awkward moments.

554
00:21:52,528 --> 00:21:54,487
Seth, you seemed caught
off-guard

555
00:21:54,487 --> 00:21:57,185
when Lisa approached you
and tried to apologize

556
00:21:57,185 --> 00:21:59,361
at Coach Shah's party.

557
00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:02,408
Can I hug you? Is it okay?

558
00:22:02,408 --> 00:22:04,061
You don't have to.

559
00:22:04,061 --> 00:22:05,672
That's huge.

560
00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:08,544
It was crazy, so I'm still
not understanding.

561
00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:10,067
Yeah, I'm sorry.

562
00:22:10,067 --> 00:22:12,809
Did you expect to have
that conversation that night?

563
00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:16,900
No, I'm--I don't like confrontation,

564
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,468
and I was still shocked
by it all,

565
00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:22,253
so I was trying to kind of
avoid it.

566
00:22:22,253 --> 00:22:24,343
It was a hard conversation
for me to have, too,

567
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,084
and it's hard to keep reliving
over and over again.

568
00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:29,304
I didn't think I was gonna talk
that long,

569
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:31,741
and I definitely didn't wanna
make it awkward for Seth.

570
00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:35,789
But I definitely wanted him
to know, like, "Hey, I'm sorry."

571
00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:39,532
Dennis from Cleveland
wants to know how John felt

572
00:22:39,532 --> 00:22:42,056
when he heard Meredith
was involved with rumors

573
00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:44,101
about Lisa's infidelity.

574
00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:46,669
Uh, it was--it was hurtful.
You know, I, uh,

575
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:49,324
I just took it for what it was,
just a crusade

576
00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,239
to retaliate towards Lisa.

577
00:22:51,239 --> 00:22:54,111
Um, Seth and John,
do you realistically think

578
00:22:54,111 --> 00:22:58,420
the two of you can be friends
if your wives aren't?

579
00:22:58,420 --> 00:22:59,987
I have a lot of friends

580
00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:02,076
that Meredith's not friends
with their wife,

581
00:23:02,076 --> 00:23:04,774
and so I would say yeah.

582
00:23:04,774 --> 00:23:08,909
The hard part I have is
watching you make fun of Lisa,

583
00:23:08,909 --> 00:23:10,780
like in the closet when you guys
were talking about

584
00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:12,521
the whole richer
than whatever thing,

585
00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:15,263
and having 50 cents in your hand
or whatever.

586
00:23:15,263 --> 00:23:16,917
Look what I found.

587
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:18,179
Oh, my gosh.

588
00:23:18,179 --> 00:23:20,921
So Lisa Barlow's no longer
the richest one.

589
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:23,489
You should give that to her,
make her richer.

590
00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:26,100
Our understanding
was to not get involved

591
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,841
or talk about our wives.

592
00:23:27,841 --> 00:23:31,540
I've never said anything
derogatory about Meredith,

593
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:32,846
and so that kinda hurt.

594
00:23:32,846 --> 00:23:35,239
I apologize if the commentary
was hurtful.

595
00:23:35,239 --> 00:23:37,111
The whole world knows you guys
work together.

596
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:40,897
The whole world knows you have
more than 50 cents to your name.

597
00:23:40,897 --> 00:23:44,074
They were so egregious
that it was mean to be funny,

598
00:23:44,074 --> 00:23:47,338
not meant to be hurtful
and cruel.

599
00:23:47,338 --> 00:23:48,949
Thank you, Meredith.
What was hard for me, Seth,

600
00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:52,082
is you didn't stop Meredith
when she was saying

601
00:23:52,082 --> 00:23:54,302
affair, rumors, and things
like that in your kitchen.

602
00:23:54,302 --> 00:23:55,782
During that conversation,

603
00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:57,479
John would have been like,
"You need to stop."

604
00:23:57,479 --> 00:24:00,526
Seth and John, can Meredith
and Lisa be friends again,

605
00:24:00,526 --> 00:24:02,310
do you think?

606
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:04,660
Can there be peace
in the Middle East?

607
00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:05,835
- Yes.
- Oh, my gosh.

608
00:24:05,835 --> 00:24:08,272
Then yes.

609
00:24:08,272 --> 00:24:09,491
I think there can be, yeah.

610
00:24:09,491 --> 00:24:11,058
I think I can help you two, though.

611
00:24:11,058 --> 00:24:12,973
- I can bring you back together.
- How?

612
00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:16,324
I just know both of them.
We're all the same person.

613
00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:18,892
We're supporting our wife
through this whole process,

614
00:24:18,892 --> 00:24:20,807
and... and I--

615
00:24:20,807 --> 00:24:23,287
- I think you mean Seth and I.
- Yes.

616
00:24:23,287 --> 00:24:24,593
I'm talking about Seth and John.

617
00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:25,986
He probably--
He probably could help.

618
00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:27,117
I didn't know if you were
talking about me and Lisa

619
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:28,510
or John and Seth.
- Oh, I can bring Meredith

620
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:29,990
and Lisa back together, too,
like, no.

621
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:33,384
I think you have a new career.
You have a new career.

622
00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:34,821
You are officially employed.

623
00:24:34,821 --> 00:24:36,997
- Dr. Phil.
- That's exactly right.

624
00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:38,999
Nice. We're gonna
leave it there.

625
00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:41,349
I'm gonna let the husbands go,
and we'll be right back.

626
00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:42,524
- Thanks, guys.
- Thank you.

627
00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:43,612
Thank you.

628
00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:44,961
<i>Coming up...</i>

629
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:47,268
She said the cost of trial
was astronomical,

630
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:49,444
and they solicited friends
for money.

631
00:24:49,444 --> 00:24:51,751
- Did you give them money?
- I did not give them money,

632
00:24:51,751 --> 00:24:53,666
but I know on this couch did.

633
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:08,202
We are back. While this season
was full of surprises,

634
00:25:08,202 --> 00:25:13,033
the biggest came after cameras
stopped rolling.

635
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,296
After claiming innocence
for over a year,

636
00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:17,298
Jen pled guilty.

637
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,169
Let's watch.

638
00:25:19,169 --> 00:25:21,737
I've been going through so much,
and you know, my trial starts

639
00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:24,044
in, like, a month and a half.

640
00:25:24,044 --> 00:25:27,308
I'm the only defendant left
that is still going to trial.

641
00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:30,354
But I'm not gonna take
a plea deal

642
00:25:30,354 --> 00:25:32,443
when I'm not guilty.
I'm innocent.

643
00:25:32,443 --> 00:25:36,839
What happens if she is
proven guilty? What--What then?

644
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,841
I don't even let myself go there
because I'm like,

645
00:25:38,841 --> 00:25:40,147
"I have to believe
she's innocent

646
00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:41,496
until they prove her guilty."

647
00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,106
Lisa, and I'm kinda
right there with you,

648
00:25:43,106 --> 00:25:45,892
because I've had people ask me
the same question.

649
00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:50,113
Have either of you
ever asked Jen

650
00:25:50,113 --> 00:25:53,421
if she's guilty
of any of these charges?

651
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:57,207
If, in fact, Jen is proclaiming
her innocence

652
00:25:57,207 --> 00:26:01,560
when she's really guilty
and not taking accountability

653
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,779
to the victims of what she did,

654
00:26:03,779 --> 00:26:10,220
that's a really big problem
for me.

655
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,052
Do you have anything to say?

656
00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:23,799
It's a lot.

657
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,933
Do any of you feel like
shooting the show

658
00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:29,413
while dealing with the trial
changed her mindset?

659
00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:32,895
Did the reality of it
kick in for her?

660
00:26:32,895 --> 00:26:36,725
It's so hard to decipher, like,

661
00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:37,596
when you're filming,
things are huge

662
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,336
and bigger than life,

663
00:26:39,336 --> 00:26:41,948
and I feel like she got arrested
on camera,

664
00:26:41,948 --> 00:26:43,471
this happened
while we were filming,

665
00:26:43,471 --> 00:26:47,040
and it was hard for her
to realize that these charges

666
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,564
were not just part of the show.

667
00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:51,740
Does that make sense?
I think it was really muddled,

668
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:53,655
and reality kicks in
and the cameras go away,

669
00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:56,571
and you're left with your life
and it's in shambles, you know?

670
00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:59,008
Because in some ways, she almost
became, like, idolized

671
00:26:59,008 --> 00:27:01,228
because of it, right? So...

672
00:27:01,228 --> 00:27:02,795
It fed her ego a little bit.
Not a little bit. A lot.

673
00:27:02,795 --> 00:27:04,971
Yeah, like, that would be hard
to, like, discern between,

674
00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,582
"Did I really do this,
or did I not?"

675
00:27:07,582 --> 00:27:10,411
Meredith, season two, you
couldn't stand to be around Jen

676
00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:13,414
and said you knew something
was off when she was arrested.

677
00:27:13,414 --> 00:27:16,025
Meredith, she's been arrested
for fraud.

678
00:27:16,025 --> 00:27:19,681
Honestly, I'm not surprised
by this.

679
00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,944
Season three,
you've done a 180

680
00:27:21,944 --> 00:27:24,555
and blindly stood by her.

681
00:27:24,555 --> 00:27:27,820
How do you justify that
now that she's pled guilty?

682
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:31,258
Guilty, innocent, in between,
she is still a human being.

683
00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:34,174
I will always root
for the underdog, always.

684
00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:37,220
But you said that
if she pled guilty,

685
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:38,352
you would have
a really hard time with it.

686
00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:40,049
Yeah, I said I would struggle
with it,

687
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:42,051
I'd have to understand it,

688
00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:43,879
and of course, that's not
something I can do,

689
00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:45,098
'cause she hasn't been sentenced,

690
00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:46,360
so there's a conversation

691
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,753
I have to have at some point
in time

692
00:27:47,753 --> 00:27:49,450
that I have been unable
to have yet.

693
00:27:49,450 --> 00:27:55,282
How did you go from season two,
hiring a private investigator,

694
00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:57,937
saying all these things, that
she stole from your store...

695
00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:01,462
My manager called me. I'm like,
"Oh, great. What did she buy?"

696
00:28:01,462 --> 00:28:02,942
And she said, "Oh, she spent
a few hundred dollars."

697
00:28:02,942 --> 00:28:05,684
"But that's not the problem, Meredith.

698
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:10,297
There is a green clutch
that I know was here,

699
00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,647
and it is gone."

700
00:28:12,647 --> 00:28:14,518
...to you supporting her.

701
00:28:14,518 --> 00:28:17,304
That--I never understood
where that happened.

702
00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:21,569
Truth of the matter is,
months before San Diego,

703
00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:24,137
months before any of you
had this information,

704
00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:27,140
I was informed by
a very reliable source

705
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,882
that Jen had made
an attempt on her life.

706
00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:34,625
And with what I went through,
I wasn't playing with that.

707
00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:37,367
There is no chance that I wasn't
going to try to support.

708
00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:40,588
But what's interesting
is that you said, you know,

709
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:43,460
"If those victims were actually
victimized by her,

710
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,637
then I can't be her friend
anymore."

711
00:28:46,637 --> 00:28:48,074
Yes.

712
00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:49,945
Um... I said that I would
definitely struggle with it,

713
00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:52,469
and I do have an issue with it.

714
00:28:52,469 --> 00:28:54,602
I'll be honest,
but on the flip side,

715
00:28:54,602 --> 00:28:57,779
I also don't think that, like,
she should die.

716
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:59,607
No one is suggesting
that she die,

717
00:28:59,607 --> 00:29:01,391
but I'm just trying
to parse out your--

718
00:29:01,391 --> 00:29:04,655
I understand, but you also have
to understand that when somebody

719
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:08,181
is in a mental state
where they have already made

720
00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:10,096
an attempt on their life
and they feel alone

721
00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:12,359
and unsupported...

722
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,013
I know where it goes, okay?

723
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:17,190
I lived it,
and I'm not doing that.

724
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:18,582
And I don't care
what you think of me for it.

725
00:29:18,582 --> 00:29:20,193
I'm just trying to understand
your justification

726
00:29:20,193 --> 00:29:24,240
for what you said before,
you know, about her

727
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,071
as a felon, criminal,
whatever you wanna call it.

728
00:29:29,071 --> 00:29:31,813
I have a lot of things
I am trying to reconcile

729
00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:35,251
in my own head with all of this,
and quite frankly,

730
00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:38,646
I don't think I can do that
until after her sentencing.

731
00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:40,387
You know what, though?
I wanna interject here.

732
00:29:40,387 --> 00:29:42,737
When we were in Vail,
that was not the situation.

733
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:46,219
There were a lot of things said,
and that was not the situation,

734
00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:47,437
and it is all on camera.

735
00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:48,917
Yes, Lisa, you had a lot
to say, too.

736
00:29:48,917 --> 00:29:50,440
Everyone was blindsided.
Nobody knew she was arrested.

737
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,007
No, no, no, I did not have
a lot to say. I didn't know.

738
00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:53,487
'Cause I had called you
from the van,

739
00:29:53,487 --> 00:29:55,576
and you said, "I'm not
surprised. I'm not surprised."

740
00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:56,882
You were gloating in
the bathtub when it happened.

741
00:29:56,882 --> 00:29:59,232
- I was not gloating.
- You were, 100%.

742
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:00,711
No, I was taking a bath.

743
00:30:00,711 --> 00:30:04,237
- Why did we not have an inkling?
- You didn't?

744
00:30:04,237 --> 00:30:06,848
Well, okay. Meredith.

745
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,719
I was not surprised.

746
00:30:08,719 --> 00:30:10,852
Not on this capa--No.
Not on this level.

747
00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:12,071
No, I was not surprised.

748
00:30:12,071 --> 00:30:13,550
I'm just saying
we're rewriting history.

749
00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:15,596
- That's not the case.
- No, I'm not rewriting anything.

750
00:30:15,596 --> 00:30:18,338
I've said it over and over
and over again

751
00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:20,906
that I could not process
what was going on at that time

752
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:22,908
due to other things that were
going on in my life...

753
00:30:22,908 --> 00:30:24,257
- But you were saying it long--
- ...that I had no support

754
00:30:24,257 --> 00:30:25,911
from my friends on,
and you know what?

755
00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:28,000
Well, I was supporting you, so
I'll exclude myself from that.

756
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,262
- No, you were not.
- That summer before,

757
00:30:29,262 --> 00:30:31,917
you had a lot to say
about Jen prior, too,

758
00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:33,570
and I'm just saying
that's the truth.

759
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:34,745
Yes, Jen and I were not
getting along prior, too.

760
00:30:34,745 --> 00:30:36,573
We both had a lot to say
about each other.

761
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:37,487
So you dug up on information
on her like you did on me.

762
00:30:37,487 --> 00:30:38,706
And we reconciled that, Lisa.

763
00:30:38,706 --> 00:30:39,881
That's when you dug up
information on Jen.

764
00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:41,013
Lisa, how does
this concern you?

765
00:30:41,013 --> 00:30:42,275
And you dug up
information on me.

766
00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:44,016
No, I didn't dig up anything, ever.

767
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:45,321
You dug up information on me,
and you did it on her, too.

768
00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:46,670
- No, I did not. No, I did not...
- It's a pattern.

769
00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:47,933
- Okay. All right.
- ...when you don't like someone.

770
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:49,282
- It was sent to me, Lisa.
- Yes, it is.

771
00:30:49,282 --> 00:30:50,457
- All right, all right.
- Well, I don't care what

772
00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:51,937
you believe.
How is that for an answer?

773
00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:53,503
- Clearly, you don't.
- Okay.

774
00:30:53,503 --> 00:30:54,940
You would believe someone
that lies all the time over me.

775
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,115
Nor do I care what you think
or have to say about me.

776
00:30:56,115 --> 00:30:57,899
All right, um, she pled guilty.

777
00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:59,988
She's facing 10-plus years
in jail.

778
00:30:59,988 --> 00:31:01,337
Right.

779
00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:03,252
That doesn't make you
have any reaction?

780
00:31:03,252 --> 00:31:05,385
You're like a monotone
about this?

781
00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:07,300
No, I wouldn't say I'm monotone.

782
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:09,868
You have no feeling about this
whatsoever?

783
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:14,089
I think it's absolutely terrible
and gut-wrenching.

784
00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:16,222
I can't speak to anything

785
00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:17,571
regarding her innocence
or guilt, though.

786
00:31:17,571 --> 00:31:19,747
It's not my job.
It's not my place.

787
00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:22,489
You had to say about it
when she was arrested.

788
00:31:22,489 --> 00:31:24,534
And after.
She wasn't invited to parties.

789
00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:26,362
If she was around,
you didn't wanna be there.

790
00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:28,495
That had nothing to do
with her innocence or guilt.

791
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,149
It had to do with the fact,
as I've said--

792
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:32,455
It's just weird to me
that she pled guilty,

793
00:31:32,455 --> 00:31:33,674
and now you have nothing
to say about it.

794
00:31:33,674 --> 00:31:34,980
- I was processing.
- It was like you had

795
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:36,329
this strong moral compass
last season,

796
00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:37,808
and none this season?
- After she's sentenced,

797
00:31:37,808 --> 00:31:39,332
I'm sure I will have more
of an opinion on it.

798
00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:40,986
There's, like,
none this season?

799
00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:44,946
Are you scared of her? Are you
scared of her coming after you

800
00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:47,818
by... saying something
about it?

801
00:31:57,741 --> 00:32:01,397
Are you scared of her
coming after you

802
00:32:01,397 --> 00:32:05,227
by saying something about it?

803
00:32:05,227 --> 00:32:06,663
No, because if I were
afraid of that,

804
00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:09,144
why would I have bothered
confronting her last year?

805
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:10,406
Right.

806
00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,147
Obviously,
I'm not afraid of her.

807
00:32:12,147 --> 00:32:14,019
In my view, I am not the judge.

808
00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:15,455
- I am not the jury.
- Okay.

809
00:32:15,455 --> 00:32:17,022
- I respect the legal system.
- You're quoting me.

810
00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:18,632
I said that multiple times
in interviews last year

811
00:32:18,632 --> 00:32:20,895
and got brutalized for being
her friend and saying just that.

812
00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:23,463
I'm not quoting you, Lisa.
I'm speaking my own mind.

813
00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:25,900
Stop telling me everything
that I think and do.

814
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:27,293
I'm not telling you. I just
think it's so confusing that

815
00:32:27,293 --> 00:32:28,598
all last year--all last year--
- Oh, my gosh.

816
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:31,427
- I'm not interested.
- All last year--

817
00:32:31,427 --> 00:32:32,733
You kind of were
the judge and jury...

818
00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:34,126
- Yes, yes.
- ...before she was even tried.

819
00:32:34,126 --> 00:32:36,389
No, I had one moment in Vail
where we all reacted

820
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:39,261
- Ohh.
- After that, I didn't engage

821
00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:41,960
with Jen for the rest
of the season.

822
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,265
Maddie from Monterey said,

823
00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:45,615
"Jen was actively
committing fraud

824
00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:47,226
while showing her life on TV.

825
00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:51,447
Do any of you think she truly
believed she was innocent?"

826
00:32:51,447 --> 00:32:52,753
I think she believed
she was innocent.

827
00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:54,363
- I thought she believed she was.
- You do?

828
00:32:54,363 --> 00:32:55,756
Yeah, I don't know why you would
sign up to be a Housewife...

829
00:32:55,756 --> 00:32:57,105
- I don't either.
- ...if you were running

830
00:32:57,105 --> 00:33:00,413
a telemarketing scheme.
- And it was imminent.

831
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:01,414
It was happening when she
signed up to be a Housewife.

832
00:33:01,414 --> 00:33:03,459
- Yeah.
- Right, the investigation

833
00:33:03,459 --> 00:33:04,678
was happening. Right.
- Yeah.

834
00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:06,636
- They had to have known.
- Sealed indictment

835
00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:08,682
was on the day you announced
our show at BravoCon.

836
00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,861
- Wow. That's incredible.
- And what does that mean?

837
00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:15,863
Jen didn't know about it yet.
They were in--

838
00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:17,604
- Because it had been...
- Oh, got it.

839
00:33:17,604 --> 00:33:19,084
- ...a grand jury investigation.
- So she had no idea.

840
00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:22,522
And they're trying to get
more information on more people.

841
00:33:22,522 --> 00:33:24,176
How did you know that?

842
00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:25,655
I read it somewhere--
I don't know--

843
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:27,396
in some of the stuff.
- But I mean, was her name listed

844
00:33:27,396 --> 00:33:30,791
in it at that time,
or was it added on later?

845
00:33:30,791 --> 00:33:32,314
I-I don't know.
It was sealed, so I--

846
00:33:32,314 --> 00:33:33,620
I have to assume it was
mentioned, but it was sealed.

847
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,883
- It was sealed.
- Naya from Milwaukee said,

848
00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:37,406
"There's been very little
mention of the victims

849
00:33:37,406 --> 00:33:39,321
of Jen's fraud.

850
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:41,193
Has Jen shown any remorse
to any of you

851
00:33:41,193 --> 00:33:43,847
about the people she defrauded?"

852
00:33:43,847 --> 00:33:44,935
No.

853
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:46,154
Well, I-I was quoted
in an article,

854
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:48,156
and she wrote me and said,

855
00:33:48,156 --> 00:33:51,116
"Tell me who my victims are,
bitch."

856
00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:52,595
Yeah.

857
00:33:52,595 --> 00:33:54,815
It's safe to say
that everyone believes

858
00:33:54,815 --> 00:33:57,252
she will serve time for this.
- Yes.

859
00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:58,906
Pearl from Montclair
wants to know,

860
00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:02,431
"Heather, if Jen goes to jail,
how do you plan to support her?"

861
00:34:02,431 --> 00:34:04,129
Will you visit her?

862
00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:05,521
I mean, it depends on where
she goes.

863
00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:08,698
I mean, I will write her
if she wants that,

864
00:34:08,698 --> 00:34:12,659
and I will look in on Omar
and Coach and I don't know.

865
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:15,923
There was speculation
that she pled guilty

866
00:34:15,923 --> 00:34:24,497
to keep Coach from being
implicated in any way.

867
00:34:24,497 --> 00:34:27,065
Is that anything
that any of you thought?

868
00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,675
I thought about that.

869
00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:31,547
Like, if that was true,
it makes sense.

870
00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:33,593
Sharrieff is a lovely person,

871
00:34:33,593 --> 00:34:35,247
and he's always, like, so on, right?

872
00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:36,465
That sometimes
it always struck me

873
00:34:36,465 --> 00:34:38,598
as, like, too good to be true.

874
00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:41,514
So does that mean you think
he possibly had knowledge

875
00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,081
and is letting her take
the fall?

876
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:45,518
Possibly. I think it's a theory,
a possibility.

877
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:47,868
It's possible that he had knowledge.

878
00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:49,826
I mean, they have
to file taxes together.

879
00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,525
What do you think?

880
00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:55,658
I don't know the first thing
about their relationship.

881
00:34:55,658 --> 00:34:57,617
I think it's, you know,
pulling on a thread.

882
00:34:57,617 --> 00:34:59,097
I don't think you could be
so supportive

883
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,837
if you knew she was implicated.

884
00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,143
- Right.
- 'Cause we were there with them,

885
00:35:02,143 --> 00:35:04,754
and it was like he wanted
to read everything.

886
00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:05,929
- Going through the evidence.
- Didn't you think, like,

887
00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:07,801
maybe Sharrieff knew
when we met?

888
00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:09,281
- Do you think that's an act?
- Like, there's a possibility.

889
00:35:09,281 --> 00:35:10,673
- No?
- Because, look, when we...

890
00:35:10,673 --> 00:35:12,153
I mean, I don't know anything anymore.

891
00:35:12,153 --> 00:35:14,764
When we met for lunch,
you brought up the fact that,

892
00:35:14,764 --> 00:35:17,071
like, hey, how could Sharrieff
not know?

893
00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:21,467
I think that Coach discovered
what Jen was doing

894
00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:26,385
and that it was impossible
to explain away.

895
00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:29,083
I really feel like
it was financial,

896
00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:30,780
and they saw something that was,
like, "Listen, it's not worth

897
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:34,132
rolling the dice, because it's
gonna be so expensive,

898
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:36,960
and if it's not a clear win,
we can't risk it."

899
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,615
She said the cost of trial
was astronomical.

900
00:35:39,615 --> 00:35:41,922
Just to get the transcripts
was $2,000 a day

901
00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:43,750
and that the cost
was overwhelming,

902
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:45,360
and they solicited friends
for money.

903
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,709
- Got it.
- Mm-hmm.

904
00:35:46,709 --> 00:35:48,189
And a lot of our friends
gave them money.

905
00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:49,277
- Did you give them money?
- I did not give them money,

906
00:35:49,277 --> 00:35:54,630
but I know people
on this couch did.

907
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:56,415
- Not right now.
- Wait.

908
00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:57,894
Angie Harrington gave her money.

909
00:35:57,894 --> 00:35:58,765
Wow.

910
00:35:58,765 --> 00:36:01,376
How long did Angie know her?

911
00:36:01,376 --> 00:36:02,943
They asked. They just asked,
and Chris has it,

912
00:36:02,943 --> 00:36:04,466
and so he gave them money.
- No, no, no, how long did they--

913
00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:05,902
I'm just curious, like,
how long they knew each other.

914
00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:07,513
- Wait.
- 'Cause I think that's

915
00:36:07,513 --> 00:36:09,819
a very new relationship, too.
- It is, but I think that

916
00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:11,169
they knew that
the Harringtons had money,

917
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,954
and Chris didn't hesitate
to help as he could.

918
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:15,912
Is that why the @shahxposed
thing went away so quick?

919
00:36:15,912 --> 00:36:17,087
- Yeah.
- I don't know, you guys.

920
00:36:17,087 --> 00:36:20,003
I'm just saying financial strain
was huge.

921
00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:22,136
- Mm-hmm.
- And a lot of people that...

922
00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:23,833
gave her money.
- They asked John. They asked me.

923
00:36:23,833 --> 00:36:25,661
- Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
- Yep.

924
00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,359
Like, no one's--they asked
people for money.

925
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:28,925
It was very expensive,

926
00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:30,405
and a lot of people came forward
with money.

927
00:36:30,405 --> 00:36:31,754
And none of you guys
gave it to them like Angie did.

928
00:36:31,754 --> 00:36:33,321
- I didn't because...
- I didn't give them money.

929
00:36:33,321 --> 00:36:34,496
I didn't because our counsel
said we probably shouldn't.

930
00:36:34,496 --> 00:36:36,455
- Got it.
- I can't.

931
00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:37,673
Otherwise, I would've.
I was ready to.

932
00:36:37,673 --> 00:36:40,459
So, Heather, you and Lisa

933
00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:42,243
discuss the "guilty" plea
over lunch.

934
00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:45,072
Why do you believe Coach
encouraged her to plead guilty?

935
00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:47,161
For the financial strain
and that it was just

936
00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:49,685
an uphill battle, and I have to
assume it was something

937
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:52,079
that he thought wasn't worth
rolling the dice,

938
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,733
just some sort of smoking gun.
- You also believe that there was

939
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:56,605
something that became clear--
- It was in a text or something

940
00:36:56,605 --> 00:36:59,173
she had sent to Stu that
basically incriminated her.

941
00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:00,435
I don't know the details,
but I would assume

942
00:37:00,435 --> 00:37:02,002
it was something like
a smoking gun...

943
00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:03,351
- Some piece of evidence...
- ...that showed knowledge.

944
00:37:03,351 --> 00:37:05,832
- ...that they--right.
- They dropped one charge,

945
00:37:05,832 --> 00:37:07,268
and she's only pled guilty
to conspiracy,

946
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,792
which means she had knowledge
of what was going on.

947
00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:13,318
You told Lisa you believed
Jen really did commit the crime

948
00:37:13,318 --> 00:37:14,623
after she pled guilty.

949
00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:16,495
If you believe
she committed fraud,

950
00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:18,714
why continue to support her?

951
00:37:18,714 --> 00:37:21,587
Because she's said she committed
fraud and she's going to prison,

952
00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:23,806
and she's making
$15 million restitution,

953
00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:27,636
and I think me being mean to her
or mad at her

954
00:37:27,636 --> 00:37:29,725
is just a virtue signal
to the world

955
00:37:29,725 --> 00:37:30,987
and doesn't do anyone any good,
and, like,

956
00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:32,772
I'm this far down the road
with her.

957
00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,296
I'm not gonna drop her now.

958
00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:38,081
You were very emotional
at that lunch with Heather. Why?

959
00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:41,302
I'll get emotional again because

960
00:37:41,302 --> 00:37:44,218
there's a part of me that, like,
loved her so much,

961
00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:47,177
and I was--she sucked me in,

962
00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:49,179
and there's the good times,

963
00:37:49,179 --> 00:37:51,878
and then Jen would cut me,

964
00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:53,401
criticize how I treated
my wound,

965
00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:54,881
and then told me
it was my fault.

966
00:37:54,881 --> 00:37:57,144
That's the relationship
I was in,

967
00:37:57,144 --> 00:38:00,365
and so I'm sad
about the nice times

968
00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:03,106
or when she was cute
with my kids,

969
00:38:03,106 --> 00:38:04,673
but I'm not sad
about the horrible times.

970
00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:06,153
I don't miss that part.

971
00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:09,069
All right. Okay, we're gonna
leave it there.

972
00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:12,290
Uh, we're gonna be back
after this.

973
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,508
We're good.

974
00:38:13,508 --> 00:38:15,162
Okay.

975
00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:16,642
I'm gonna run
to the restroom.

976
00:38:16,642 --> 00:38:18,034
This? All this? Like...
Am I a baby?

977
00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:20,950
No. I just--I have--I have cried
so much this year.

978
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,606
I just think that I--
I'm cried out.

979
00:38:32,962 --> 00:38:37,358
You feel a different kind
of worse. How about that?

980
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,360
All right,
about a minute to Andy.

981
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,841
Four, three, two...

982
00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:46,106
We are back
with our final moments

983
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:49,370
with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City."

984
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:52,112
What a dramatic evening.

985
00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:53,853
You're really emotional.
What's up?

986
00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:57,204
Just a lot, you know?
Lot of heavy topics.

987
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:59,119
I mean, I think you're crying
because I just asked you

988
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,817
if you feel better than you felt
12 hours ago

989
00:39:01,817 --> 00:39:03,166
at the beginning of the day,

990
00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:05,908
and I expected you to say
that you were relieved

991
00:39:05,908 --> 00:39:07,997
and you had gotten
a lot off your chest.

992
00:39:07,997 --> 00:39:10,043
- No.
- But you clearly...

993
00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:13,829
- Maybe you feel worse.
- It's just, you know,

994
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:15,396
this show has brought, like,
so much good to my life,

995
00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:17,224
you know?
- Mm-hmm.

996
00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:18,704
But it's also showed me

997
00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:21,707
a lot of ways I have
to improve, you know?

998
00:39:21,707 --> 00:39:23,012
Got a closer look at yourself,

999
00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:25,232
and you didn't love
what you saw?

1000
00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:27,887
I just got a closer at,
like, you know,

1001
00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:30,933
how tumultuous these waters
have been,

1002
00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:33,240
and we've all been through
a lot, you know?

1003
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,850
- Mm-hmm. It's real life.
- These are big, big,

1004
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:36,809
heavy, heavy, heavy issues,
and I feel ill-equipped

1005
00:39:36,809 --> 00:39:40,029
to be up here talking
about any of 'em, you know?

1006
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,205
I wanted to ask each of you
to tell me

1007
00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,382
what your biggest regret
of the season was.

1008
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,862
Uh, who wants to start?

1009
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:48,864
- I mean, I can start.
- Okay.

1010
00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:51,258
Uh, my biggest regret is not
going to bed immediately

1011
00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:54,957
when we came home from the club,
the Marilyn Monroe night.

1012
00:39:54,957 --> 00:39:56,481
Just gone to bed
and stopped drinking

1013
00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:58,526
and stopped playing around,
and, um,

1014
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:00,441
that's my biggest regret.

1015
00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:02,704
Because you have a lot of shame
about the black eye.

1016
00:40:02,704 --> 00:40:04,793
- Oh, immense, yeah.
- What do you think

1017
00:40:04,793 --> 00:40:08,318
it's gonna take for you
to work through that?

1018
00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:11,104
I mean, I'm in therapy, so...
just continue

1019
00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:13,585
making positive changes
and recognizing my past

1020
00:40:13,585 --> 00:40:15,587
and what I've come from.

1021
00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:17,284
Is this something that you've
talked about in therapy--

1022
00:40:17,284 --> 00:40:18,459
the black eye?

1023
00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:19,721
- Oh, yeah.
- Yeah?

1024
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:21,157
Of course.

1025
00:40:21,157 --> 00:40:23,290
Whitney, what's your biggest
regret of the season?

1026
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:26,119
I wish I would have waited
until I was sober

1027
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:30,819
to have the conversation
surrounding the rumors.

1028
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:35,128
But I was kind of hoping
that you would say

1029
00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:41,047
that one of your regrets
is not mending our friendship.

1030
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:44,964
I know that I gave it
a valiant effort and tried.

1031
00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:49,142
She said she's figuring it out.
Meredith?

1032
00:40:49,142 --> 00:40:52,014
I-I think my biggest regret
is not being more clear

1033
00:40:52,014 --> 00:40:55,017
and careful with my words.

1034
00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:57,150
What about you, Lisa?

1035
00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:59,805
For me, I just learned a lot
this season.

1036
00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:02,503
Um, so I don't wanna call it
a regret,

1037
00:41:02,503 --> 00:41:06,725
but I wish I had, um,
more boundaries with Jen,

1038
00:41:06,725 --> 00:41:10,511
and I'm grateful
for so much more.

1039
00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:12,121
- Thank you very much.
- Oh.

1040
00:41:12,121 --> 00:41:13,296
- Thank you.
- That actually looks lovely.

1041
00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:14,907
Beautiful. It actually
does look lovely.

1042
00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:17,997
- Thank you, really lovely.
- Beautiful.

1043
00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:19,346
- Well deserved.
- Better than a churro.

1044
00:41:19,346 --> 00:41:21,000
Thank you so much.

1045
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,305
- Better than what?
- A churro.

1046
00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:24,220
- Yes, you're right.
- Last year's churro.

1047
00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:29,008
Yeah, you're right.
Well... [sighs] ladies...

1048
00:41:29,008 --> 00:41:32,011
you've been through a lot,
and through it all,

1049
00:41:32,011 --> 00:41:34,535
you have each personally prevailed,

1050
00:41:34,535 --> 00:41:40,019
and you certainly, um, delivered
a really enjoyable season.

1051
00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:43,501
- And let's go, Jazz.
- Go, Jazz.

1052
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,764
- Courtside seats.
- Jazz!

1053
00:41:45,764 --> 00:41:48,462
- Cheers to courtside seats.
- Cheers.

1054
00:41:48,462 --> 00:41:49,942
And, Lisa and Meredith,

1055
00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:51,987
since you've both celebrated
birthdays this week,

1056
00:41:51,987 --> 00:41:55,469
our wish for your birthday

1057
00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:57,863
is that you find a path
to reconciliation,

1058
00:41:57,863 --> 00:41:59,560
and we have a cake
for the two of you.

1059
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,344
- Oh!
- I love it!

1060
00:42:01,344 --> 00:42:03,042
- A little joint...
- It was $80,000.

1061
00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:07,699
...Meredith and Lisa cake.
Ladies, why don't you come in

1062
00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:09,135
and joint blow this out?
- I love it.

1063
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:10,397
Will you switch with me so I can
have the pink side?

1064
00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:12,225
- Yes. Yes.
- Okay.

1065
00:42:12,225 --> 00:42:14,488
Even though this is
my good side.

1066
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:15,707
Oh, perfect.

1067
00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,230
Thank you.
See, that's the first step

1068
00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:19,232
towards reconciliation.
- There you go.

1069
00:42:19,232 --> 00:42:20,407
I'm giving up my good side.
She came to the bad side

1070
00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:21,451
so I could have the pink side.
- Okay.

1071
00:42:21,451 --> 00:42:22,801
Make a wish then.
Make a good wish.

1072
00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:24,367
- There you go.
- Wait. Should we sing?

1073
00:42:24,367 --> 00:42:26,718
- ♪ Happy birthday to us
- ♪ Happy birthday to you

1074
00:42:26,718 --> 00:42:29,590
♪ Happy birthday

1075
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:30,939
- ♪ Dear Lisa and Meredith
- Us.

1076
00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:32,724
♪ Dear Meredith and Lisa

1077
00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:36,466
- ♪ Happy birthday to us
- ♪ Happy birthday to you

1078
00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:40,079
- Nice.
- Whoo!

1079
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,646
- Very good.
- Nice.

1080
00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:44,213
Cheers. That was cute. Good.

1081
00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:46,128
- I love it.
- Thank you.

1082
00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:48,914
- I need a piece of this.
- You've got it now.