1 00:00:08,181 --> 00:00:10,101 RADIO HOST: And it's seven minutes now past the hour. 2 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:14,220 Our number across the country is 1-800-449-GLKN, 3 00:00:14,241 --> 00:00:18,021 locally, 664-8255. 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,110 I'm David Masters, this is Radioactive Talk, 5 00:00:20,130 --> 00:00:22,060 on the Talk Radio. 6 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,060 Our guests on this particular program 7 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:25,231 are Rick and Yvonne 8 00:00:25,251 --> 00:00:27,150 and they've devoted their lives, 9 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:29,110 along with a number of other people on the planet, 10 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:31,141 to awaken the rest of us up, 11 00:00:31,161 --> 00:00:34,191 uh, to some very important truths as they see it. 12 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:36,030 One of the important truths 13 00:00:36,051 --> 00:00:37,140 is the end of civilization as we know it. 14 00:00:37,161 --> 00:00:39,030 Is this correct? 15 00:00:39,051 --> 00:00:39,231 Get right up on the mic. 16 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:41,231 We feel very strongly 17 00:00:42,021 --> 00:00:43,161 that this is the end times 18 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:45,231 that was prophesized by in the Bible. 19 00:00:45,250 --> 00:00:49,240 DAVID: That is a known fact one of the messages that you bring. 20 00:00:50,021 --> 00:00:53,191 That-- and this is part of our message, yes. 21 00:00:53,210 --> 00:00:54,240 DAVID: Let me ask you this, 22 00:00:55,021 --> 00:00:56,081 how do you know you're not hypnotized? 23 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,060 Or deceased? Or brainwashed? 24 00:00:58,081 --> 00:00:59,121 Do I look hypnotized? 25 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:00,130 Do I look brainwashed? 26 00:01:00,151 --> 00:01:01,221 - Yeah. - All right. 27 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,161 [laughing] 28 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:06,090 But then again, so do I. 29 00:01:06,111 --> 00:01:08,031 MAN: No, I think you do-- you-- you have, uh, 30 00:01:08,051 --> 00:01:09,201 a particular look on your face 31 00:01:09,221 --> 00:01:12,120 of a person who is in a hypnotic trance. 32 00:01:12,141 --> 00:01:15,120 Well, when you mention being brainwashed, 33 00:01:15,141 --> 00:01:18,171 I think we-- we thought about that too. 34 00:01:18,191 --> 00:01:20,120 Over-- you know, over some time 35 00:01:20,141 --> 00:01:22,201 and we feel that, in a lot of ways, 36 00:01:22,221 --> 00:01:23,231 we hope we are. 37 00:01:25,191 --> 00:01:28,040 [music] 38 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:36,041 [rain pattering] 39 00:01:53,070 --> 00:01:54,161 SAWYER: Ti and Do gave us the tools 40 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:56,090 to brainwash ourselves. 41 00:01:56,111 --> 00:01:59,060 Literally wash out our humanness 42 00:01:59,081 --> 00:02:00,210 from our brains. 43 00:02:00,230 --> 00:02:04,171 And that's the same thing that was meant by Baptism. 44 00:02:04,191 --> 00:02:08,051 There was washing your humanness out of you 45 00:02:08,071 --> 00:02:11,190 and starting fresh, like a new creature. 46 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:12,220 Like the butterfly, 47 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,101 the beginning of the butterfly. 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,210 DO: The mind that you had as a human, 49 00:02:17,231 --> 00:02:21,150 is aborted and the soul that was given to you 50 00:02:21,171 --> 00:02:24,090 is filled with next level information, 51 00:02:24,111 --> 00:02:26,131 next level mind, 52 00:02:26,150 --> 00:02:31,150 and a new creature is born. 53 00:02:31,171 --> 00:02:33,191 Brainwashing is one of the controversial terms 54 00:02:33,210 --> 00:02:35,041 in this field. 55 00:02:35,060 --> 00:02:36,240 And-- and there are some academics 56 00:02:37,021 --> 00:02:39,060 who want us to think that it doesn't exist. 57 00:02:39,081 --> 00:02:41,220 But as someone who brainwashed people, 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,141 I can guarantee you that it does exist. 59 00:02:48,141 --> 00:02:49,231 JANJA: One of the myths about cults 60 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:51,191 is that they're all religious. 61 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:54,100 And, in fact, there's many kinds of cults. 62 00:02:57,210 --> 00:02:59,250 I myself was in a political cult. 63 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:03,081 The Democratic Workers Party. 64 00:03:03,101 --> 00:03:08,111 We were a very strict Marxist-Leninist organization. 65 00:03:08,131 --> 00:03:10,150 I thought that I was going to 66 00:03:10,171 --> 00:03:12,210 help bringing back social change. 67 00:03:14,201 --> 00:03:18,081 After about the sixth year I got very disillusioned. 68 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:22,111 I didn't stay out of any kind of loyalty to the leader, 69 00:03:22,131 --> 00:03:24,100 I didn't stay even 70 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,060 out of any loyalty to the belief system 71 00:03:26,081 --> 00:03:27,141 at that point. 72 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,071 I stayed because I was scared, 73 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:31,041 and I couldn't figure out how to leave. 74 00:03:32,150 --> 00:03:35,041 So I was in for about 10 and a half years, 75 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:41,041 People do go through a very deep 76 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:44,201 psychological change that is brought about 77 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:46,180 by the indoctrination methods in the group. 78 00:03:48,081 --> 00:03:49,231 And the group really believed 79 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:54,081 that they were training for this trip to outer space. 80 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:58,051 They said: "We want to be part of a crew. 81 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:01,071 A crew which acts as a whole." 82 00:04:01,090 --> 00:04:03,081 And they looked at Star Trek and said: "That's it." 83 00:04:10,131 --> 00:04:14,060 PICCARD: Captain's log, stardate 41153.7. 84 00:04:14,081 --> 00:04:17,040 Our destination is planet Deneb IV, 85 00:04:17,061 --> 00:04:21,150 beyond which lies the great unexplored mass of the galaxy. 86 00:04:23,071 --> 00:04:28,050 We watched several approved TV programs. 87 00:04:28,071 --> 00:04:31,021 Star Trek was one of them. 88 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,111 It was about expanding 89 00:04:33,131 --> 00:04:36,210 our potential into space travel. 90 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:40,251 Which was analogous to what we were doing. 91 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:44,050 MAN: Initiate docking procedures. 92 00:04:44,071 --> 00:04:46,150 Maneuvering thrusters only. 93 00:05:05,201 --> 00:05:09,100 ...for as a benefit of the overall collective. 94 00:05:09,121 --> 00:05:12,170 We do are on a quest to better ourselves. 95 00:05:12,191 --> 00:05:15,201 Evolving toward a state of perfection. 96 00:05:15,220 --> 00:05:18,050 Who are you? 97 00:05:18,071 --> 00:05:20,090 I am the Borg. 98 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:23,121 DATA: The Borg have a collective consciousness, 99 00:05:23,141 --> 00:05:25,040 there are no individuals. 100 00:05:26,121 --> 00:05:30,061 SAWYER: Do said that's like depicting the Next Level. 101 00:05:30,081 --> 00:05:32,150 The members of the Borg. 102 00:05:32,170 --> 00:05:34,030 I thought: "Ooh." 103 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:37,230 That's-- that's kind of, like, uncomfortable, 104 00:05:37,251 --> 00:05:41,220 A cog in wheel is a very significant item, 105 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:44,150 when you are in our Father's Kingdom 106 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:47,111 serving as a member of a crew. 107 00:05:47,131 --> 00:05:51,081 [robotic voice] We are the Borg, resistance is futile. 108 00:06:26,181 --> 00:06:28,121 FRANK: In the group 109 00:06:28,141 --> 00:06:31,210 we obviously didn't go out and get haircuts 110 00:06:31,230 --> 00:06:33,111 at the barber shop. 111 00:06:33,131 --> 00:06:36,241 So we would cut each other's hair. 112 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:39,021 I was a hair cutter at one point, 113 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,121 I cut hair, you know? 114 00:06:40,141 --> 00:06:41,201 WOMAN: Oh! 115 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:43,241 Well, next time you come in you'll be cutting my hair. 116 00:06:44,021 --> 00:06:45,141 [laughing] 117 00:06:47,220 --> 00:06:50,191 Within the first couple of years, 118 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:52,210 after Ti passed, 119 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:55,150 we were gathered in the main room, 120 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:59,210 Do is taking questions, 121 00:06:59,230 --> 00:07:02,061 and I raised my hand 122 00:07:02,081 --> 00:07:05,081 To make an observation 123 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:07,050 because it was in the morning, my... 124 00:07:07,071 --> 00:07:10,100 my voice was a little bit... 125 00:07:10,121 --> 00:07:12,071 huskier. 126 00:07:33,021 --> 00:07:36,090 Hence, we're moving into a world that is genderless, 127 00:07:36,111 --> 00:07:38,160 we are doing everything we can do 128 00:07:38,180 --> 00:07:42,021 to not identify with a gender. 129 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,180 But I was... 130 00:07:44,201 --> 00:07:46,061 humiliated. 131 00:07:46,081 --> 00:07:50,220 I felt this smoldering anger 132 00:07:50,241 --> 00:07:53,230 come up in me. 133 00:08:04,061 --> 00:08:05,210 And then, after that, 134 00:08:05,230 --> 00:08:12,040 I gradually developed this severe 135 00:08:12,061 --> 00:08:14,030 inability to speak like-- 136 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:17,141 like I have still 137 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,201 'cause there's always this push-pull, 138 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:23,170 always this suppression. 139 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:28,030 I wrote a note to Do, 140 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:32,040 telling him I'm feeling 141 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:34,060 I can't be in the group anymore. 142 00:08:35,141 --> 00:08:37,121 He came to talk to me and said: 143 00:08:37,141 --> 00:08:39,141 "You are throwing away 144 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,111 "your opportunity to graduate. 145 00:08:43,131 --> 00:08:45,190 "You haven't done anything 146 00:08:45,211 --> 00:08:47,131 "to displease me. 147 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:51,030 There's no reason for you to leave." 148 00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:55,241 And I kept returning to this, gut knowing, 149 00:08:56,021 --> 00:08:59,170 and saying: "I'm sorry, I have no choice." 150 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:09,121 A couple days after I arrived in Calgary, 151 00:09:09,141 --> 00:09:12,040 Erika called me on the phone. 152 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:14,050 And, of course, 153 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:16,170 there would've been somebody else 154 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:18,050 on the extension. 155 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:20,141 Check partner. 156 00:09:41,211 --> 00:09:44,211 I don't know if she would've wanted to say anything 157 00:09:44,231 --> 00:09:49,211 but she had her check partner in the extension. 158 00:09:49,231 --> 00:09:53,221 That was the last time I spoke to her. 159 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,251 JANJA: This is a thing people don't understand 160 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:18,091 about leaving cult, 161 00:10:18,111 --> 00:10:20,160 you're-- you're leaving your whole world. 162 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:23,050 And you don't know what's out there 163 00:10:23,070 --> 00:10:25,060 and you've been fed a bunch of bull 164 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,030 about what's gonna happen to you. 165 00:10:28,131 --> 00:10:31,131 In Heaven's Gate you weren't this person. 166 00:10:31,150 --> 00:10:34,050 So you really had nothing to go back to. 167 00:10:34,070 --> 00:10:35,150 And so, to me, 168 00:10:35,170 --> 00:10:38,180 that's a far deeper type of indoctrination. 169 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,101 Steve Hassan is a world renowned cult expert. 170 00:10:42,121 --> 00:10:46,101 He himself was recruited into a cult at 19 years of age. 171 00:10:46,121 --> 00:10:47,211 Now, he's written a book called 172 00:10:47,231 --> 00:10:49,221 Combatting Cult Mind Control. 173 00:10:49,241 --> 00:10:51,060 [applause] 174 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,101 Steve, what's going on here? 175 00:10:52,121 --> 00:10:55,221 People can be systematically broken down, 176 00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:59,101 indoctrinated, through controlling information, 177 00:10:59,121 --> 00:11:02,060 controlling their behavior, controlling their thoughts, 178 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,021 controlling their emotions, 179 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,021 and made into obedient, dependent slaves, 180 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,101 or clones, of the cult leader. 181 00:11:10,121 --> 00:11:13,231 In my work counseling people who have left cults, 182 00:11:13,251 --> 00:11:16,221 you know, physically leaving the cult 183 00:11:16,241 --> 00:11:18,200 doesn't get it out of your head. 184 00:11:18,221 --> 00:11:21,030 Specially if you've been in it for years. 185 00:11:24,131 --> 00:11:28,101 People tend to blame the members, 186 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:31,021 they did not appreciate 187 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,150 the robust amount of social psychological 188 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:37,141 destructive mind control techniques 189 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,150 that were systematically applied. 190 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:45,030 They made people cut off from their family and friends. 191 00:11:45,050 --> 00:11:48,111 They made people be in couples. 192 00:11:48,131 --> 00:11:50,070 So they had no privacy. 193 00:11:50,091 --> 00:11:52,070 They changed their names. 194 00:11:52,091 --> 00:11:54,030 They changed their clothing. 195 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:56,080 They change their diet. 196 00:11:56,101 --> 00:12:00,070 It's classic mind control, in my opinion, 197 00:12:00,091 --> 00:12:02,121 to create a new pseudo-identity 198 00:12:02,141 --> 00:12:04,231 that was obedient. 199 00:12:07,111 --> 00:12:09,040 NARRATOR: The experiment of Solomon Asch 200 00:12:09,060 --> 00:12:10,190 examines behavior under the pressure 201 00:12:10,211 --> 00:12:12,200 of social forces. 202 00:12:12,221 --> 00:12:14,121 STEVEN: In my practice, 203 00:12:14,141 --> 00:12:16,200 when I'm doing interventions with people, 204 00:12:16,221 --> 00:12:21,200 I show videos of the Asch Conformity Study. 205 00:12:21,221 --> 00:12:24,170 MAN: The experiment you'll be taking part in today, 206 00:12:24,190 --> 00:12:27,121 involves the perception of lengths of lines. 207 00:12:27,141 --> 00:12:29,080 You're to look at the line on the left, 208 00:12:29,101 --> 00:12:31,160 and determine which of the three lines on the right 209 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:33,101 is equal to it in length. 210 00:12:33,121 --> 00:12:36,070 STEVE: And everybody was in on the experiment 211 00:12:36,091 --> 00:12:39,091 except the person in seat six. 212 00:12:39,111 --> 00:12:42,080 And they start giving the correct answer 213 00:12:42,101 --> 00:12:43,211 for two rounds 214 00:12:43,231 --> 00:12:46,170 and then they all start giving the wrong answer. 215 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:48,040 MAN: Two. 216 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:50,021 MAN 2: Two. 217 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,030 MAN 3: Two. 218 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,211 Two. 219 00:12:55,231 --> 00:12:57,190 Uh, two. 220 00:12:57,211 --> 00:12:59,241 NARRATOR: The subject denies the evidence 221 00:13:00,021 --> 00:13:02,080 of his own eyes and yields to group influence. 222 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:05,111 And this experiment has been done 223 00:13:05,131 --> 00:13:07,211 over and over again for decades 224 00:13:07,231 --> 00:13:10,021 and the answer universally is 225 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,221 two thirds of everyone who does this experiment 226 00:13:13,241 --> 00:13:16,080 starts giving the wrong answer. 227 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:18,101 One. 228 00:13:18,121 --> 00:13:19,200 They must be right, 229 00:13:19,221 --> 00:13:21,091 they're four of them and one of me. 230 00:13:21,111 --> 00:13:23,170 Uh, one. 231 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:26,060 We all wanna think that we're independent, 232 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,141 and we would never agree. 233 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,060 But the science, the social science says, 234 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,141 we're programmed to fit into groups, 235 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,200 we're gonna start adapting 236 00:13:36,221 --> 00:13:39,021 to the people in our environment 237 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,131 in order to fit in. 238 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:41,180 MAN: Hi. 239 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,101 WOMAN: We're good you're here. 240 00:13:43,121 --> 00:13:44,221 JANJA: When you're in a cult, 241 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:46,131 specially for any length of time, 242 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:49,060 you're in what I call a self-sealing system. 243 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,021 This is a social system 244 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,221 that's closed in on itself. 245 00:13:52,241 --> 00:13:55,190 Your free will is under the will 246 00:13:55,211 --> 00:13:57,131 of the leader and the group. 247 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:00,190 So, you're only doing what you need to do 248 00:14:00,211 --> 00:14:03,111 to stay in the good graces of the group. 249 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:06,111 What ended up happening 250 00:14:06,131 --> 00:14:08,080 was there's these idle threats, 251 00:14:08,101 --> 00:14:09,231 from my point of view, 252 00:14:09,251 --> 00:14:14,200 of fear, that if you missed the boat, 253 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:17,111 you may not get another chance. 254 00:14:20,091 --> 00:14:22,040 MAN: Come on. 255 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:23,141 JANJA: Peer pressure 256 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,021 is so important in these groups, right? 257 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,160 So you can see, 258 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:28,070 you know, SRRODY doing it, 259 00:14:28,091 --> 00:14:29,221 so that you know that you should be at least 260 00:14:29,241 --> 00:14:32,060 as dedicated as SRRODY. 261 00:14:33,211 --> 00:14:35,111 So you are often comparing yourself 262 00:14:35,131 --> 00:14:38,070 to the people who looked like they're more devoted, 263 00:14:38,091 --> 00:14:39,180 so you can be ridding yourself 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,060 of all these human characteristics 265 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,180 that are in this... 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,211 body that you happen to be living in. 267 00:14:47,101 --> 00:14:51,070 DO: I'm afraid that here I need to get a little personal, 268 00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:55,040 sex is the strongest drug, 269 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:57,150 there's not a drug, there's not a morphine 270 00:14:57,170 --> 00:14:59,251 or anything that is produced by 271 00:15:00,030 --> 00:15:02,131 chemicals or plants of this world, 272 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:05,231 as strong as that drug. 273 00:15:07,111 --> 00:15:11,121 It's something we have to go through the withdrawal of, 274 00:15:11,141 --> 00:15:14,180 we have to overcome. 275 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,251 Just looking at a female, 276 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:20,111 would inflame the-- the--, you know, 277 00:15:20,131 --> 00:15:22,170 the hormones in my body. 278 00:15:22,190 --> 00:15:28,070 And he would just constantly tried to find techniques 279 00:15:28,091 --> 00:15:31,251 that would eliminate that desire. 280 00:15:32,030 --> 00:15:33,251 We had a procedure 281 00:15:34,030 --> 00:15:36,180 that if you had a nocturnal emission, 282 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,211 they had wash clothes set aside in the bath chambers 283 00:15:39,231 --> 00:15:43,221 so you can clean up before you went back to bed. 284 00:15:45,231 --> 00:15:47,131 And I didn't want to use them, 285 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:49,131 because I didn't want to expose 286 00:15:49,150 --> 00:15:52,091 that I had a nocturnal emission. 287 00:15:52,111 --> 00:15:53,231 I did feel guilty about it. 288 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,190 And then they made it into a sign out. 289 00:15:57,211 --> 00:16:02,150 So that they would know who had a nocturnal emission. 290 00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:08,050 Having to admit to it and the same around it, 291 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:10,070 the defeated feeling, 292 00:16:10,091 --> 00:16:13,030 like, you know, almost had to go back to square one, 293 00:16:13,050 --> 00:16:15,241 uh, was enough for me 294 00:16:16,021 --> 00:16:18,070 and, I think I can speak for everybody, 295 00:16:18,091 --> 00:16:20,170 to keep them in check. 296 00:16:20,190 --> 00:16:25,180 And this is, uh, Dick Joslyn. 297 00:16:27,070 --> 00:16:31,251 He had been recruited in Los Angeles in 1975. 298 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:34,141 He's obviously a very attractive guy, 299 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,211 and he became one of Do's helpers 300 00:16:37,231 --> 00:16:40,030 after Ti died. 301 00:16:40,050 --> 00:16:42,221 One of the core members of the group. 302 00:16:42,241 --> 00:16:47,030 Do, of course, was gay, 303 00:16:47,050 --> 00:16:50,040 and Dick Joslyn was gay, 304 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:54,070 and one day Do called him aside 305 00:16:54,091 --> 00:16:56,111 and said, 306 00:16:56,131 --> 00:16:58,030 "I hate to tell you this, 307 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:02,030 "but my vehicle is becoming attracted to your vehicle 308 00:17:02,050 --> 00:17:05,140 "and so I got to relieve you of your responsibility 309 00:17:05,161 --> 00:17:08,070 of being one of my helpers." 310 00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:12,191 And Dick was absolutely devastated. 311 00:17:12,211 --> 00:17:16,070 Marshall Applewhite didn't like his homosexuality. 312 00:17:16,090 --> 00:17:20,191 So he created a myth around that piece he didn't like. 313 00:17:20,211 --> 00:17:23,171 He came to a conclusion about his body 314 00:17:23,191 --> 00:17:25,201 that it was abhorrent. 315 00:17:25,221 --> 00:17:27,120 SAWYER: Do held a meeting 316 00:17:27,140 --> 00:17:30,080 and he said that he had a nocturnal emission 317 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:35,191 and he was investigating having himself castrated. 318 00:17:35,211 --> 00:17:38,040 Will any of you have reservations 319 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:40,080 of having the same procedure done? 320 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,161 And I didn't have any reservations. 321 00:17:43,181 --> 00:17:45,211 I was committed to being celibate 322 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:47,130 for the rest of my life. 323 00:17:47,151 --> 00:17:50,171 If-- if your eye offend you, block it out. 324 00:17:50,191 --> 00:17:52,251 It's the same idea, 325 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,021 if something is so offensive to you 326 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,030 that your control is threatened by it 327 00:17:58,050 --> 00:17:59,241 then why shouldn't you dispose of it 328 00:18:00,021 --> 00:18:01,080 if you have that option to do it. 329 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:03,120 Not that I have ever talked to anyone 330 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:05,221 into taking that action. 331 00:18:05,241 --> 00:18:08,241 JANJA: And I think Do was greatly influenced 332 00:18:09,021 --> 00:18:11,211 by some of the stronger members at that point 333 00:18:11,231 --> 00:18:15,050 who fed him some of the more extreme ideas. 334 00:18:15,070 --> 00:18:17,211 And that's not unusual in a group. 335 00:18:17,231 --> 00:18:20,251 It kind of took control of him. 336 00:18:21,030 --> 00:18:22,120 I think, in a sense, 337 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:25,171 he was also a victim. 338 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:29,100 I was told that, for example, 339 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,251 the castrations, uh, was not his idea. 340 00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:35,100 And was, actually SRRODY's idea, 341 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,021 who was one of the more gung ho members. 342 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,171 DO: SRRODY is the clown of the class, or-- 343 00:18:41,191 --> 00:18:43,050 All right, I shouldn't say that. 344 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:46,201 I'm teasing him, as I always do. 345 00:18:46,221 --> 00:18:49,100 SRRODY was always a go getter. 346 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:50,221 You know, his Irish vehicle. 347 00:18:50,241 --> 00:18:53,191 And he was very quick. 348 00:18:53,211 --> 00:18:55,181 He would run to go do things, 349 00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:56,221 there was a task 350 00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:58,241 and people would criticize him for running. 351 00:18:59,021 --> 00:19:00,201 DO: Never shy of energy, 352 00:19:00,221 --> 00:19:03,140 you always have to tone him down. 353 00:19:03,161 --> 00:19:05,120 We keep saying, "Down, SRRODY." 354 00:19:06,201 --> 00:19:07,231 Had this thought, 355 00:19:07,251 --> 00:19:10,140 SRRODY was gonna beat me to the punch 356 00:19:10,161 --> 00:19:12,231 of having this castration experience. 357 00:19:12,251 --> 00:19:15,221 In my mind, it was like-- giving proof to the Next Level 358 00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:18,060 that I was all the way in. 359 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,130 This is terribly human. 360 00:19:20,151 --> 00:19:22,080 It was, like, competitive. 361 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:25,060 Do said, 362 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,181 "We've set up a sterile room 363 00:19:27,201 --> 00:19:29,201 "and we're gonna proceed doing the castrations 364 00:19:29,221 --> 00:19:33,241 that you all have convinced me that you wanted." 365 00:19:34,021 --> 00:19:37,130 He made a sign, and the sing said "Mexico". 366 00:19:37,151 --> 00:19:39,060 And he put that above the door. 367 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,231 So that if we ever were questioned by authorities, 368 00:19:42,251 --> 00:19:47,040 we could honestly say that we went to Mexico to do it. 369 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:50,120 LVVODY and JNNODY were there. 370 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:52,070 And LVVODY was gonna perform the procedure 371 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:53,110 'cause she is the nurse 372 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:56,191 and she had worked for orchidectomist 373 00:19:56,211 --> 00:19:59,021 and individual that removed testicles. 374 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,161 Do said, "Who's gonna go first?" 375 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:08,070 And so he flipped the coin, 376 00:20:08,090 --> 00:20:10,161 and SRRODY won the toss, 377 00:20:10,181 --> 00:20:12,161 so he got to choose who would go first, 378 00:20:12,181 --> 00:20:13,171 and he wanted to go first. 379 00:20:15,231 --> 00:20:18,251 LVVODY cut the testicle sack open, 380 00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:21,211 and I almost fainted. 381 00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:25,251 So I was done, but then, 382 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:29,251 SRRODY's testicle sack started to get bigger. 383 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:32,021 And, uh... 384 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,191 You know... 385 00:20:33,211 --> 00:20:35,231 getting a little iffy. 386 00:20:35,251 --> 00:20:38,231 And SRRODY started to moan. 387 00:20:41,050 --> 00:20:43,251 And Do said that... 388 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:46,080 he did a terrible thing. 389 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,140 [sniffles] 390 00:20:51,030 --> 00:20:53,050 He-- he went too far, he said. 391 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:54,151 He said, "I went too far 392 00:20:54,171 --> 00:20:56,171 "to allow this to happen 393 00:20:56,191 --> 00:20:59,040 and you need to take me to the police." 394 00:21:03,140 --> 00:21:05,171 And LVVODY and JNNODY and I said, 395 00:21:05,191 --> 00:21:07,140 "No way. 396 00:21:07,161 --> 00:21:10,140 We'll take care of it." 397 00:21:10,161 --> 00:21:11,241 We didn't want to go to a hospital 398 00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:13,130 'cause we were afraid that 399 00:21:13,151 --> 00:21:16,241 something would be seen as, uh, 400 00:21:17,021 --> 00:21:18,251 illegal. 401 00:21:19,030 --> 00:21:22,021 And we didn't want that to get back to Do. 402 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:27,090 And so we ended up calling a priest. 403 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:30,201 Seeing if they had any experience with anybody that 404 00:21:30,221 --> 00:21:33,060 chose to be castrated. 405 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,201 And the priest didn't know what we were talking about. 406 00:21:36,221 --> 00:21:38,161 He wasn't any worse, 407 00:21:38,181 --> 00:21:41,171 but he wasn't any better either. 408 00:21:41,191 --> 00:21:45,030 It was just, what can we do to, you know, 409 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:48,050 uh, to fix this. 410 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:50,070 We decided to bring him to a hospital. 411 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,231 SRRODY stayed there overnight for observation. 412 00:21:52,251 --> 00:21:55,100 I was wired, I mean, it was like, 413 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,021 people say that when they're 414 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,100 in a big crime scene or something is like surreal. 415 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,100 That's what I was experiencing. 416 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,221 I was... surreal about this. 417 00:22:03,241 --> 00:22:07,181 And JNNODY and I went to the pier 418 00:22:07,201 --> 00:22:10,060 and we threw the testicles in there. 419 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,060 [splashing] 420 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,060 I don't know if that was necessary or not, 421 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,070 but we didn't want any evidence. 422 00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:18,151 And Do at that point said, 423 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:20,191 that, um, 424 00:22:20,211 --> 00:22:23,151 he didn't want to continue with the castrations 425 00:22:23,171 --> 00:22:26,021 and I know I was disappointed. 426 00:22:29,241 --> 00:22:32,030 But then, they found some doctors 427 00:22:32,050 --> 00:22:34,151 that would do the procedure. 428 00:22:34,171 --> 00:22:38,040 And Do was also castrated. 429 00:22:38,060 --> 00:22:39,231 Eventually, they were, 430 00:22:39,251 --> 00:22:42,070 depending on which source you look to, 431 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:44,201 between seven and nine men within the group 432 00:22:44,221 --> 00:22:47,110 who had been castrated. 433 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:49,221 But most of the men were not interested 434 00:22:49,241 --> 00:22:51,161 in having the surgery done. 435 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:14,140 KELLY: My father had issue 436 00:23:14,161 --> 00:23:18,030 with how they castrated themselves 437 00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:21,040 to overcome their sexuality. 438 00:23:23,231 --> 00:23:27,231 That was something really couldn't identify with doing. 439 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,130 And he-- he just left. 440 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:36,130 And then my mom came back. 441 00:23:37,211 --> 00:23:41,221 They had a way of relating to each other 442 00:23:41,241 --> 00:23:43,130 since they've both been in the cult. 443 00:23:43,151 --> 00:23:48,120 And that became very isolating to them. 444 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:50,251 So I knew there was a possibility 445 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,251 for them to rejoin the cult. 446 00:23:54,030 --> 00:23:56,070 They didn't say when, 447 00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:59,251 it was just a matter of time. 448 00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:05,050 I living in this constant state of limbo. 449 00:24:13,151 --> 00:24:15,241 This was a group where people were free to come and go. 450 00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:18,100 There were many people who left of their own free will, 451 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,140 including some who were told to leave 452 00:24:20,161 --> 00:24:22,060 because they weren't following the rules. 453 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:29,231 DO: This little classroom dwindled to 50 454 00:24:29,251 --> 00:24:34,050 and then dwindled down to couple dozen. 455 00:24:36,151 --> 00:24:38,151 BENJAMIN: Starting in 1991, 456 00:24:38,171 --> 00:24:40,251 the group engaged in a media onslaught, 457 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:44,021 trying to reach out to new members. 458 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,211 Part because the group had really shrunk, 459 00:24:46,231 --> 00:24:48,201 but it's also because for many members 460 00:24:48,221 --> 00:24:50,070 and leaders of the group, 461 00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:52,080 they thought they were approaching the end. 462 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:53,211 Not just the end of the group 463 00:24:53,231 --> 00:24:55,090 but the potential for the end of the world. 464 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:57,100 Now the end of the age, 465 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,060 I'm afraid I feel is right upon us. 466 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,191 It's gonna come... 467 00:25:02,211 --> 00:25:06,060 and I-- I don't want to sound like a prophet, 468 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,181 but my gut says, and everything else that I know, 469 00:25:09,201 --> 00:25:13,021 points to that it's going to come 470 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080 before the turn of the century. 471 00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:18,251 BENJAMIN: This was a time 472 00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:21,231 that was rife with end-of-the-world fears. 473 00:25:21,251 --> 00:25:24,221 And there were a lot of new religious movements 474 00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:26,140 in the 1990s 475 00:25:26,161 --> 00:25:28,151 that looked to the year 2000 476 00:25:28,171 --> 00:25:31,070 and a few years before and after that, 477 00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:35,171 as a moment at which the world was going to end. 478 00:25:35,191 --> 00:25:38,120 This is the countdown to the coming of Christ, folks. 479 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:41,060 We don't know the day and the hour in Matthew 24:36, 480 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,140 but Jesus said, you'll know when it's near. 481 00:25:43,161 --> 00:25:45,151 CHUCK: And as far as our departure, 482 00:25:45,171 --> 00:25:47,120 we don't really know whether we're gonna depart 483 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:50,040 with that end or whether our departure 484 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:52,191 will be before or somewhere in between 485 00:25:52,211 --> 00:25:54,100 or anything like that. 486 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,181 And that for 16 years 487 00:25:56,201 --> 00:25:58,251 we haven't shared this truth. 488 00:26:00,130 --> 00:26:03,050 And now, all of a sudden, we're getting instruction 489 00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:05,130 to give it out 490 00:26:05,151 --> 00:26:07,070 more clearly. 491 00:26:07,090 --> 00:26:11,241 And this is what you're witnessing tonight. 492 00:26:12,021 --> 00:26:14,120 BENJAMIN: They began a satellite television series 493 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:16,050 called "Beyond Human." 494 00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:19,080 They paid for 14 hours of time. 495 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:20,241 Where were we? 496 00:26:21,021 --> 00:26:22,181 Remind me of our question again. 497 00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:25,221 Um, how do I identify which god? 498 00:26:25,241 --> 00:26:28,120 BENJAMIN: They took out an ad in USA Today, 499 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:30,021 a national newspaper. 500 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,251 SAWYER: It was, uh, third on the page, I believe, 501 00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:34,171 and it cost $30,000. 502 00:26:34,191 --> 00:26:36,251 They put a PO box there, 503 00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:41,130 and we got people who would correspond with us. 504 00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:44,090 And we started responding to the correspondence. 505 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:48,171 They created several VHS tapes 506 00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:51,221 which they mailed around to anyone who wanted copy. 507 00:26:51,241 --> 00:26:53,120 From this they were able to reconnect 508 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:54,130 with several ex members, 509 00:26:54,151 --> 00:26:57,130 some new members joined, 510 00:26:57,151 --> 00:27:00,171 and then, of course, they went back on the road. 511 00:27:00,191 --> 00:27:04,171 ♪ ♪ 512 00:27:04,191 --> 00:27:06,181 Here we go. 513 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:19,050 Sometimes use an analogy of Star Trek, 514 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:21,040 most everybody hopefully have seen 515 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:22,140 some kind of Star Trek show. 516 00:27:22,161 --> 00:27:24,231 DENISE: You know, we've been in seclusion for 18 years 517 00:27:24,251 --> 00:27:26,140 and our description of this material 518 00:27:26,161 --> 00:27:28,100 is probably lacking, 519 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,050 and if you can help us know where your areas are 520 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:33,251 that we've left unclear then we can help fill 'em in. 521 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,241 ♪ I had to praise you ♪ 522 00:27:47,021 --> 00:27:48,100 ♪ ♪ 523 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,030 ♪ I had to praise you like I should ♪ 524 00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:53,251 HOST: Members are not often intellectually deprived, 525 00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:55,060 sociologically deprived, 526 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,231 but often times very intelligent people. 527 00:27:56,251 --> 00:27:59,110 What would make an intelligent person then, 528 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:02,050 essentially, give up their life to somebody else. 529 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:04,060 Well, as a former cult member, 530 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,191 and a licensed mental health counselor 531 00:28:05,211 --> 00:28:07,060 who's been working for 20 years, 532 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,070 I can tell you that I've counseled, literally, 533 00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:12,221 thousands of people who are very bright, educated. 534 00:28:12,241 --> 00:28:14,080 And, essentially, 535 00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,040 they're ignorant about cult tactics, 536 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,100 the cults use deception, manipulation, 537 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,090 hypnosis, behavior modification to get people in. 538 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:23,231 And they're also situationally vulnerable. 539 00:28:23,251 --> 00:28:27,140 I've had a hundred or more cases 540 00:28:27,161 --> 00:28:29,030 where people described 541 00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:31,110 a vulnerable moment in their life 542 00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:33,110 when they were approached. 543 00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:35,211 Death of a loved one, illness, 544 00:28:35,231 --> 00:28:38,120 uh, moving to a new city, state or country, 545 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:39,221 losing a job... 546 00:28:39,241 --> 00:28:42,040 Where the person goes, 547 00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:46,251 "God, tell me what I'm supposed to be doing with my life." 548 00:28:47,030 --> 00:28:49,060 And then, knock, knock, 549 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,021 "Can we study the Bible with you?" 550 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,140 ♪ ♪ 551 00:28:57,171 --> 00:28:59,211 JASON: I first met up with the class 552 00:28:59,231 --> 00:29:03,090 in July of 1994 in Madison, Wisconsin, 553 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:04,251 after I dropped out of college. 554 00:29:07,251 --> 00:29:11,050 I didn't really have a whole lot at that point. 555 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:13,021 A really close friend of mine 556 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,021 brought home a flyer for the meeting. 557 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,050 Immediately we both were fascinated by it 558 00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:19,171 and said "We have to do this." 559 00:29:21,191 --> 00:29:24,100 He was talking about how there are 560 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,090 beings here right now from another level of existence 561 00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:30,040 doing their last circuit around, 562 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,110 gathering up individuals. 563 00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:36,171 As I was at the meeting, it was just 564 00:29:36,191 --> 00:29:38,191 a deep sense of recognition. 565 00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:40,090 I-- I knew who they were 566 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:42,050 and I knew what they were saying. 567 00:29:44,201 --> 00:29:45,251 DEB: For my brother, 568 00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:49,021 I think he was, in colloquial terms, 569 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,130 ripe for the picking. 570 00:29:50,151 --> 00:29:56,100 He'd had an attempted suicide once before the cult, 571 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,221 and someone had left the copy of the USA Today 572 00:29:59,241 --> 00:30:03,211 in the breakroom at work and he picked it up. 573 00:30:03,231 --> 00:30:07,021 The cult had placed a full page ad 574 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,221 making comments like the Earth is about to be recycled, 575 00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:12,231 this is your last opportunity... 576 00:30:12,251 --> 00:30:15,060 And he was drawn to that. 577 00:30:16,231 --> 00:30:19,211 He was looking for a place to belong. 578 00:30:19,231 --> 00:30:23,181 People that he felt he could align with. 579 00:30:23,201 --> 00:30:24,251 WOMAN: Hey, Gail, are you ready? 580 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:26,191 - For what? - The big day? 581 00:30:26,211 --> 00:30:28,100 To entertain you? [laughing] 582 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,080 She had just broken off with a boyfriend of four, five years. 583 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,251 And the store wasn't going well. 584 00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:35,221 I think that was a trigger, 585 00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:37,151 because a couple of months later 586 00:30:37,171 --> 00:30:39,151 we got one of these recruitment flyers 587 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:40,191 for this group. 588 00:30:40,211 --> 00:30:42,080 Talking about UFOs and all that. 589 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,021 Then we knew we were in trouble. 590 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,110 ALICE: When she called home, 591 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,231 I said, "Hi, Gail, what are you doing?" 592 00:30:46,251 --> 00:30:48,201 And she said, "Did you get my flyer?" 593 00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,070 And we said yes, and she said, 594 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:51,221 well, that's what I'm doing, what do you think of it? 595 00:30:51,241 --> 00:30:54,030 Oh, when you're coming home? 596 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:58,171 Oh, no, Gail, you've got to come. 597 00:30:58,191 --> 00:31:00,201 So, what kind of group are you with? 598 00:31:03,171 --> 00:31:05,070 Oh, really? 599 00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:07,231 Yeah? 600 00:31:07,251 --> 00:31:09,191 Do you have an address or a phone number 601 00:31:09,211 --> 00:31:11,251 where I can get a hold of you if you need be? 602 00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:14,040 Well, keep in contact, baby, 603 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:16,231 because I love you so much and I miss you awfully. 604 00:31:17,021 --> 00:31:19,130 And, uh, we figured, all right, all right, 605 00:31:19,151 --> 00:31:22,201 someday she'll realize this is not for her 606 00:31:22,221 --> 00:31:24,151 and she'll walk out. 607 00:32:11,211 --> 00:32:13,161 BENJAMIN: While they were able to attract, 608 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:16,050 uh, some new members, 609 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:17,251 the attempts of the members of Heaven's Gate and Do 610 00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:21,050 to reach out, really met widely with rejection. 611 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:26,171 RADIO HOST: There must be some thing, some experience 612 00:32:26,191 --> 00:32:28,120 some knowledge, some truth 613 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:32,241 some something that has given you to know 614 00:32:33,021 --> 00:32:34,130 what you say you know. 615 00:32:34,151 --> 00:32:35,221 And I'm only asking you what is it. 616 00:32:35,241 --> 00:32:37,110 What makes you different? 617 00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:40,130 Besides the fact that you recognize truth or-- 618 00:32:40,151 --> 00:32:41,130 [laughing] 619 00:32:41,151 --> 00:32:43,130 Any questions? 620 00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:45,211 [laughing] 621 00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:03,240 [indistinct chattering] 622 00:35:04,021 --> 00:35:06,100 WOMAN: You are plugged into a tree, literally! 623 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,251 You see? 624 00:35:08,031 --> 00:35:10,251 WOMAN: I said, "Look, there's JWNODY plugged into a tree!" 625 00:35:11,031 --> 00:35:13,071 MAN: Here we have JWNODY with this, 626 00:35:13,091 --> 00:35:16,131 and we understand that you have something you'd like to share? 627 00:35:16,151 --> 00:35:19,100 Well, yes, this is for our clients. 628 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,140 And you may ask who are our clients. 629 00:35:22,231 --> 00:35:25,060 We have a little business that we call Higher Source, 630 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,021 from which we earn our income so we can consume 631 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,151 while we are on this planet. 632 00:35:32,251 --> 00:35:34,180 We always were self-supporting, 633 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,220 which a lot of entities that are in our position 634 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,140 might not be. 635 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,021 ROBERT BALCH: At the time, there weren't that many people 636 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,120 who were heavily into computers, 637 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:48,211 as far as going out and making money. 638 00:35:48,231 --> 00:35:53,021 One of the early members, RKKODY, Chuck Humphrey, 639 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,231 we actually had a computer shop. 640 00:35:55,251 --> 00:35:58,031 Um, it was probably one of the very first computer shops 641 00:35:58,051 --> 00:35:59,240 way back in the 70s. 642 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:04,131 He introduced people to computers, 643 00:36:04,151 --> 00:36:06,071 a lot were self-taught. 644 00:36:06,091 --> 00:36:09,031 JASON: There was a core group 645 00:36:09,051 --> 00:36:10,151 who were, uh, computer people 646 00:36:10,171 --> 00:36:13,111 and so they had the kind of nine to five jobby jobs 647 00:36:13,131 --> 00:36:15,191 and they would-- they would leave the warehouse every day. 648 00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:21,220 FRANK: About half the group worked outside the class, 649 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:26,191 to bring in funds after the trust fund ran out. 650 00:36:28,031 --> 00:36:29,191 SAWYER: We had pretty good tasks at that point, 651 00:36:29,211 --> 00:36:33,200 working, you know, professional jobs in computers. 652 00:36:35,051 --> 00:36:37,071 SRRODY was a great Assembly programmer, 653 00:36:37,091 --> 00:36:39,071 and C programmer, you know, I couldn't... 654 00:36:39,091 --> 00:36:42,060 really get with it, like to that degree of technicalities. 655 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:48,021 ROBERT: They did have some really great people 656 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,060 and they tried to put their message out on the Internet. 657 00:36:55,021 --> 00:36:56,200 BENJAMIN: They did look the Internet 658 00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:58,040 as a way to reach out 659 00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:59,160 and connect with people. 660 00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:01,091 [modem hissing] 661 00:37:01,111 --> 00:37:03,151 They began uploading content to the website 662 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Bu they were greeted with, affectively, cyber bullying. 663 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:15,140 I think the best example of this are Do's Usenet postings. 664 00:37:17,031 --> 00:37:19,160 Usenet is an online bulletin board system 665 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:21,200 where you can post really almost anything. 666 00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:24,160 And it's organized by topic. 667 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:26,231 Do posted to, uh, topics 668 00:37:26,251 --> 00:37:29,200 associated with artificial intelligence, 669 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:33,100 with science fiction, with Christianity, 670 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,080 And he posted a, really, a manifesto, 671 00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:37,160 that he was Jesus that he had come back, 672 00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:38,251 that the world was ending, 673 00:37:39,031 --> 00:37:42,160 the way to leave the Earth was to join with him. 674 00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:44,200 Within the group it made sense 675 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:48,231 to talk about disincarnated space aliens, 676 00:37:48,251 --> 00:37:51,040 it made sense to talk about the Next Level. 677 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:54,171 These vehicles we occupy or human vehicles, 678 00:37:54,191 --> 00:37:57,100 that we also recognize that the mind 679 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,200 that we are attempting to graft into, 680 00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:04,021 and receive our nourishment from 681 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,100 comes from the Kingdom Level of Heaven. 682 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,180 BENJAMIN: Outside the group it looks like nonsense. 683 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,040 And it was treated as nonsense. 684 00:38:12,071 --> 00:38:14,220 People posted incendiary rude responses, 685 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,100 saying that you are an idiot to believe this, 686 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,021 you must be crazy, are you occultist... 687 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,191 The members of the group began to feel 688 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:24,071 as if their attempts to reach out had failed 689 00:38:24,091 --> 00:38:28,171 and the sign had come for them to give up on our planet. 690 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,021 It's a very short time 691 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,140 before our departure. 692 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,111 Our thoughts will be of you, 693 00:38:39,131 --> 00:38:41,251 we hope that your thoughts will be... 694 00:38:42,031 --> 00:38:44,160 [voice breaking] of our Father's Kingdom. 695 00:38:45,251 --> 00:38:47,051 Thank you. 696 00:38:48,251 --> 00:38:51,140 They had become, in their words, a class. 697 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,051 And what happens with a class? 698 00:38:53,071 --> 00:38:54,111 They graduate. 699 00:38:54,131 --> 00:38:55,140 And that was the term they used. 700 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,211 They called it a graduation. 701 00:39:14,211 --> 00:39:17,031 They talked about it in a variety of ways, 702 00:39:17,051 --> 00:39:20,071 but they never talked about it as suicide. 703 00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:22,100 There was always the exit, 704 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,100 suicide would be to stay here on this planet. 705 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,051 This world is rotten 706 00:39:28,071 --> 00:39:31,021 And I would rather die in service to my interpretation 707 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,160 of what God is than stay here. 708 00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:38,080 And they didn't always talk about the exit 709 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,200 as something that they would do to themselves. 710 00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:43,200 There was a series of events that demonstrated, 711 00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:45,140 at least to the members of Heaven's Gate, 712 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,231 that there was a war between the US Government 713 00:39:47,251 --> 00:39:50,040 and people who believed and acted differently. 714 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:54,200 People who loved their God so, in their own way, 715 00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:56,111 that they end up being-- 716 00:39:56,131 --> 00:39:59,040 like what happened to Randy Weaver. 717 00:39:59,060 --> 00:40:00,191 Ruby Ridge. 718 00:40:00,211 --> 00:40:03,140 What happened at Waco. 719 00:40:05,191 --> 00:40:07,171 [gunshots firing] 720 00:40:07,191 --> 00:40:08,180 REPORTER: The stand-off's been going on 721 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,240 for about 45 minutes now. 722 00:40:10,021 --> 00:40:11,100 OFFICER: You hear what we're talking about? 723 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,160 REPORTER: Yes, sir. 724 00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:14,031 OFFICER: I gotta take the shot. 725 00:40:14,051 --> 00:40:15,120 - Get the hell off of here. - I'll get off the property, 726 00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:16,160 that's what I'm doing, sir. 727 00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:17,240 [sirens blaring] 728 00:40:18,021 --> 00:40:19,160 REPORTER: The credo of the Branch Davidians cult 729 00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:21,200 was preparing for the end of the world 730 00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:23,180 and it has been said that David Koresh 731 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,091 and his followers have been seeking 732 00:40:25,111 --> 00:40:27,211 some kind of confrontation. 733 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,251 I'm sure every cult in the United States, 734 00:40:35,031 --> 00:40:37,231 like, glued to the TV, during that whole event. 735 00:40:37,251 --> 00:40:39,040 And they're all thinking 736 00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:40,231 "Could this happen to us?" 737 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,211 BENJAMING: So, members of Heaven's Gate 738 00:40:47,231 --> 00:40:51,031 feared the government was going to come and kill them. 739 00:40:51,051 --> 00:40:53,131 However, in a twist, 740 00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:57,021 they actually thought this would be a good thing. 741 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,051 FRANK: Do openly talked with us, as a group, 742 00:41:01,071 --> 00:41:04,171 saying, "Perhaps we could 743 00:41:04,191 --> 00:41:08,140 "buy firearms, learn to use them, 744 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,140 "and be seen as a threat 745 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,251 that would trigger our demise." 746 00:41:16,031 --> 00:41:19,051 And it's like, ah, that doesn't sound very nice, 747 00:41:19,071 --> 00:41:21,100 you know, and half of us would be dead, 748 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,200 and the other half will end up maimed and crippled, 749 00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:25,211 and still stuck here on planet Earth. 750 00:41:25,231 --> 00:41:27,100 And sounds painful 751 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,151 and so they didn't really like that idea. 752 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:37,080 I mean, I don't care for any of... 753 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,220 the fame or glory of the human role 754 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,180 it's absolutely worthless to me. 755 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,111 I can't wait to get out of here. 756 00:41:45,131 --> 00:41:50,031 I apologize for being so emotional, 757 00:41:50,051 --> 00:41:52,151 But that happens to be the truth, 758 00:41:52,171 --> 00:41:54,220 I want to leave here. 759 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,071 Now, I'm in a vehicle that is already falling apart on me. 760 00:41:59,091 --> 00:42:00,220 I feel that he got to a point 761 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,160 where he didn't know any other way out. 762 00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,111 That he had created this-- 763 00:42:04,131 --> 00:42:06,160 this enormous belief system 764 00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:08,211 this, um, this structure, 765 00:42:08,231 --> 00:42:10,100 and this people that were 766 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,231 totally, totally committed to him. 767 00:42:12,251 --> 00:42:14,100 Personally. 768 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,051 He was their god. 769 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,200 We had a meeting in the top floor of the warehouse, 770 00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:29,191 where we always had our meetings. 771 00:42:31,131 --> 00:42:32,211 SAWYER: Do had said 772 00:42:32,231 --> 00:42:34,220 he wants to hear from each individual 773 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,200 if they have any reservations about suicide as an exit. 774 00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:42,200 We would be taking a strong barbituric, 775 00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:45,240 and that would, basically, put our vehicles to sleep. 776 00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:50,031 Of the gentlest way he could think about doing it. 777 00:42:50,051 --> 00:42:52,160 There was some tear shed by some individuals, 778 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,220 definitely, who I think had some real difficulties, 779 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,031 with contemplating it. 780 00:42:58,051 --> 00:42:59,100 And I said, wow, that's huge. 781 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,040 I mean, Do even said, 782 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:02,200 he's only been here two weeks, 783 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:04,060 you know, and I'm talking about 784 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,240 something incredibly drastic here. 785 00:43:07,021 --> 00:43:09,080 At the same time, I said, well, 786 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:12,091 if that's something I have to consider down the line, 787 00:43:12,111 --> 00:43:13,251 then that's something I have to consider, you know? 788 00:43:14,031 --> 00:43:16,171 I wasn't saying we are gonna go do this tomorrow. 789 00:43:16,191 --> 00:43:18,140 I said I had no reservations. 790 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,131 I always felt right from the beginning now 791 00:43:20,151 --> 00:43:22,031 I was gonna lose my vehicle. 792 00:43:22,051 --> 00:43:23,191 Even though that's what-- 793 00:43:23,211 --> 00:43:26,091 not the way we would do the teaching in the beginning. 794 00:43:28,111 --> 00:43:31,021 BENJAMIN: This is a powerful moment. 795 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,251 This was in mid 1990s, 796 00:43:34,031 --> 00:43:36,251 some of them have been members since 1974. 797 00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:39,251 20 years in a group. 798 00:43:40,031 --> 00:43:43,200 20 years in a group, living, breathing and vibing 799 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:45,171 the teachings, the doctrines, 800 00:43:45,191 --> 00:43:47,100 the practices of the group 801 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,220 and being asked in that moment, 802 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,040 "What do you think? Do you wanna exit with us?" 803 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,131 After that meeting, five people eventually left. 804 00:43:57,151 --> 00:43:58,231 Including Sawyer. 805 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,180 I left in September of '94. 806 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,100 Not long after that. 807 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,031 But not for that reason. 808 00:44:18,111 --> 00:44:21,111 I was invested in just being in the program, 809 00:44:21,131 --> 00:44:23,180 being, uh, with my teachers. 810 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,251 The people that I recognize 811 00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:27,211 that I believed were from outer space 812 00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:29,100 and from Next Level 813 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,240 and that created the planet. 814 00:44:37,211 --> 00:44:41,060 I was given so much. 815 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,040 I was overseer of a crew. 816 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,191 Yeah, tomorrow is gonna be, uh, a zillion people... 817 00:44:48,211 --> 00:44:51,180 It's a little bit of an exaggeration for the camera. 818 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,031 I was looked up to by some of the students. 819 00:44:54,051 --> 00:44:57,111 They kind of told me that. 820 00:44:57,131 --> 00:44:59,120 So when I-- when I fell, 821 00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:02,120 I think a number of people were pretty shocked. 822 00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:05,231 We refer to our lifestyle as a monastic lifestyle. 823 00:45:05,251 --> 00:45:07,120 On a sense, like a monastery. 824 00:45:08,251 --> 00:45:11,231 I was holding meetings where I was the primary speaker, 825 00:45:12,021 --> 00:45:13,240 Telling people that we had to give up 826 00:45:14,021 --> 00:45:15,151 all sexuality and everything 827 00:45:15,171 --> 00:45:18,040 to become a member of the next level. 828 00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:20,191 And yet I was the hypocrite. 829 00:45:25,071 --> 00:45:27,120 I remember turning on MTV one time 830 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:29,231 and, boy, did that inflame me. 831 00:45:29,251 --> 00:45:32,080 You know, just seeing women dancing around, you know, 832 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,220 half-clad, you know. 833 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,151 I was off the wagon! 834 00:45:36,171 --> 00:45:38,080 I was... 835 00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,200 occasionally masturbating, 836 00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,191 I would have a thought 837 00:45:42,211 --> 00:45:44,220 and the thought was so powerful I couldn't-- 838 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,031 I couldn't hold back. 839 00:45:48,031 --> 00:45:50,120 I didn't know how-- I didn't even-- 840 00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:52,040 have the desire to ask for help. 841 00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:54,051 It was that intense. 842 00:45:54,071 --> 00:45:57,091 But I was like, you know, like two people, 843 00:45:57,111 --> 00:46:00,031 I was like a schizophrenic person in-- in a sense. 844 00:46:04,171 --> 00:46:07,080 Well, see, I-- I didn't recognize... 845 00:46:09,071 --> 00:46:11,091 that I was breaking those procedures, 846 00:46:11,111 --> 00:46:13,151 it was leading up to something. 847 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,051 So I was in the house where we were living, 848 00:46:24,071 --> 00:46:26,071 and I was walking up the staircase, 849 00:46:26,091 --> 00:46:28,131 and Do was walking down, 850 00:46:28,151 --> 00:46:29,180 and he said, 851 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,131 "You've been distant." 852 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,151 And, um... 853 00:46:42,231 --> 00:46:44,140 Sorry, it's just-- 854 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,211 That, uh, he was-- 855 00:46:49,091 --> 00:46:51,240 Well, I told him what I was doing. 856 00:46:52,021 --> 00:46:54,040 And, uh... 857 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:56,100 Do, he said, 858 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,220 "So, you already you have 859 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:01,091 "the potential to become a really good member 860 00:47:01,111 --> 00:47:03,051 "of the Next Level 861 00:47:03,071 --> 00:47:05,211 and I don't want to throw you away." 862 00:47:08,071 --> 00:47:11,231 Because I wasn't influencing anyone else 863 00:47:11,251 --> 00:47:15,040 to get involved with sensuality. 864 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:18,151 He was willing to help me with it 865 00:47:18,171 --> 00:47:22,220 while I stay in the classroom. 866 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,231 But, then, it didn't change me. 867 00:47:26,251 --> 00:47:30,231 I kept on giving in to masturbation. 868 00:47:30,251 --> 00:47:35,031 And I told Do, "I feel like I need to leave the group." 869 00:47:35,051 --> 00:47:38,151 And so he got me a plane ticket and gave me $600. 870 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,191 You know, it's-- it's-- 871 00:47:45,211 --> 00:47:46,251 It's really, uh... 872 00:47:47,031 --> 00:47:49,080 I'm really kind of a pitiful person, really. 873 00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:53,100 But, then again, you know, I'm not the judge of myself. 874 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,071 And, uh, maybe I was doing the best I could. 875 00:47:57,091 --> 00:47:59,111 [fire crackling] 876 00:48:00,191 --> 00:48:02,100 Whenever I come home at night, 877 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,131 I look up at the heavens. 878 00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:11,211 People say to me frequently, 879 00:48:11,231 --> 00:48:13,120 "Oh, you were duped." 880 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,240 You know, "Why don't you go on with your life, 881 00:48:15,021 --> 00:48:17,211 instead of, you know, continuing to think about this." 882 00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:19,060 But, uh... 883 00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:23,031 I still believe in all the teachings of Ti and Do. 884 00:48:23,051 --> 00:48:24,231 And, uh, 885 00:48:24,251 --> 00:48:27,131 that if I continue to grow 886 00:48:27,151 --> 00:48:30,040 then I will... 887 00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:34,040 potentially pass through the Heaven's Gate. 888 00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:35,220 The birth canal. 889 00:48:49,131 --> 00:48:52,021 It's gotta be a UFO, everything is. 890 00:49:02,071 --> 00:49:04,051 Well, this comet is amazing because it's very bright 891 00:49:04,071 --> 00:49:05,140 even to the naked eye. 892 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,180 You really don't need a telescope. 893 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,231 Oh, yes, I can, yeah. 894 00:49:11,071 --> 00:49:12,120 REPORTER: The Hale-Bopp comet 895 00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:14,060 is making its closest pass to Earth 896 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,200 coming to withing 122 million miles of our planet. 897 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,131 MAN: It's the brightest comet 898 00:49:22,151 --> 00:49:25,140 that's passed through the Solar System since 1577. 899 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,060 REPORTER: Comets, so different from anything else in the sky, 900 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,060 that through history they've inspired and terrified. 901 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,220 People used to go out and kill themselves, 902 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,060 uh, getting scared that the comet will... 903 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,231 you know, blow up or something. 904 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,091 REPORTER: Now, as we get closer to the year 2000 905 00:49:44,111 --> 00:49:45,151 and the end of the millennium, 906 00:49:45,171 --> 00:49:47,021 more and more fringe groups 907 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,220 are spreading Doomsday predictions 908 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,051 of the end of the human species. 909 00:49:51,071 --> 00:49:53,131 RADIO HOST: Chuck Shramek in Houston, Texas, 910 00:49:53,151 --> 00:49:56,031 - Chuck, welcome to the program. - CHUCK: Thanks, Art. 911 00:49:56,051 --> 00:49:57,120 ART: A lot of people have felt 912 00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:59,111 something is going on with Hale-Bopp. 913 00:49:59,131 --> 00:50:00,231 CHUCK: Well, I have too. 914 00:50:00,251 --> 00:50:02,180 Wow. 915 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,160 HOST: And now maybe you got it on film? 916 00:50:04,180 --> 00:50:08,140 CHUCK: Well, I photographed tonight, just showed up. 917 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,140 This is a big thing. 918 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,160 It appears to be several times larger than the Earth. 919 00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:17,180 Maybe about 150,000 miles away from Hale-Bopp. 920 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,220 RADIO HOST: What could it be? 921 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,140 [chuckles] CHUCK: I have no idea. 922 00:50:28,051 --> 00:50:30,160 ♪ ♪ 923 00:50:34,211 --> 00:50:37,071 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 924 00:50:37,091 --> 00:50:39,100 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 925 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,100 ♪ And it opened up my eyes ♪ 926 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,191 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 927 00:50:42,211 --> 00:50:47,051 ♪ Life is demanding without understanding ♪ 928 00:50:47,071 --> 00:50:49,111 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 929 00:50:49,131 --> 00:50:51,111 ♪ And it opened up my eyes ♪ 930 00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:52,200 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 931 00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:54,100 ♪ No one's gonna drag you up ♪ 932 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,211 ♪ To get into the light where you belong ♪♪