1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,080 RADIO HOST: And it's seven minutes now past the hour. 2 00:00:10,099 --> 00:00:14,199 Our number across the country is 1-800-449-GLKN, 3 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:18,000 locally, 664-8255. 4 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:20,089 I'm David Masters, this is Radioactive Talk, 5 00:00:20,109 --> 00:00:22,039 on the Talk Radio. 6 00:00:22,059 --> 00:00:24,039 Our guests on this particular program 7 00:00:24,059 --> 00:00:25,209 are Rick and Yvonne 8 00:00:25,230 --> 00:00:27,130 and they've devoted their lives, 9 00:00:27,149 --> 00:00:29,089 along with a number of other people on the planet, 10 00:00:29,109 --> 00:00:31,119 to awaken the rest of us up, 11 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:34,170 uh, to some very important truths as they see it. 12 00:00:34,189 --> 00:00:36,009 One of the important truths 13 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:37,120 is the end of civilization as we know it. 14 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:39,010 Is this correct? 15 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:39,210 Get right up on the mic. 16 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:41,209 We feel very strongly 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,140 that this is the end times 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,209 that was prophesized by in the Bible. 19 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:49,219 DAVID: That is a known fact one of the messages that you bring. 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,170 That-- and this is part of our message, yes. 21 00:00:53,189 --> 00:00:54,219 DAVID: Let me ask you this, 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,060 how do you know you're not hypnotized? 23 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:58,039 Or deceased? Or brainwashed? 24 00:00:58,060 --> 00:00:59,100 Do I look hypnotized? 25 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:00,109 Do I look brainwashed? 26 00:01:00,130 --> 00:01:01,200 - Yeah. - All right. 27 00:01:01,219 --> 00:01:03,139 [laughing] 28 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:06,069 But then again, so do I. 29 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:08,010 MAN: No, I think you do-- you-- you have, uh, 30 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:09,180 a particular look on your face 31 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,100 of a person who is in a hypnotic trance. 32 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,100 Well, when you mention being brainwashed, 33 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,150 I think we-- we thought about that too. 34 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:20,100 Over-- you know, over some time 35 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,180 and we feel that, in a lot of ways, 36 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,210 we hope we are. 37 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:28,020 [music] 38 00:01:34,069 --> 00:01:36,019 [rain pattering] 39 00:01:53,049 --> 00:01:54,139 SAWYER: Ti and Do gave us the tools 40 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:56,069 to brainwash ourselves. 41 00:01:56,090 --> 00:01:59,040 Literally wash out our humanness 42 00:01:59,060 --> 00:02:00,190 from our brains. 43 00:02:00,209 --> 00:02:04,149 And that's the same thing that was meant by Baptism. 44 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:08,030 There was washing your humanness out of you 45 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:11,170 and starting fresh, like a new creature. 46 00:02:11,189 --> 00:02:12,199 Like the butterfly, 47 00:02:12,219 --> 00:02:14,079 the beginning of the butterfly. 48 00:02:14,099 --> 00:02:17,189 DO: The mind that you had as a human, 49 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:21,130 is aborted and the soul that was given to you 50 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,070 is filled with next level information, 51 00:02:24,090 --> 00:02:26,110 next level mind, 52 00:02:26,129 --> 00:02:31,129 and a new creature is born. 53 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:33,170 Brainwashing is one of the controversial terms 54 00:02:33,189 --> 00:02:35,019 in this field. 55 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:36,219 And-- and there are some academics 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,040 who want us to think that it doesn't exist. 57 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:41,200 But as someone who brainwashed people, 58 00:02:41,219 --> 00:02:44,119 I can guarantee you that it does exist. 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,210 JANJA: One of the myths about cults 60 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:51,169 is that they're all religious. 61 00:02:51,189 --> 00:02:54,079 And, in fact, there's many kinds of cults. 62 00:02:57,189 --> 00:02:59,229 I myself was in a political cult. 63 00:03:00,009 --> 00:03:03,059 The Democratic Workers Party. 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,090 We were a very strict Marxist-Leninist organization. 65 00:03:08,110 --> 00:03:10,130 I thought that I was going to 66 00:03:10,150 --> 00:03:12,190 help bringing back social change. 67 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:18,060 After about the sixth year I got very disillusioned. 68 00:03:18,079 --> 00:03:22,089 I didn't stay out of any kind of loyalty to the leader, 69 00:03:22,110 --> 00:03:24,080 I didn't stay even 70 00:03:24,099 --> 00:03:26,039 out of any loyalty to the belief system 71 00:03:26,060 --> 00:03:27,120 at that point. 72 00:03:27,139 --> 00:03:29,049 I stayed because I was scared, 73 00:03:29,069 --> 00:03:31,019 and I couldn't figure out how to leave. 74 00:03:32,129 --> 00:03:35,019 So I was in for about 10 and a half years, 75 00:03:38,079 --> 00:03:41,019 People do go through a very deep 76 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:44,179 psychological change that is brought about 77 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,159 by the indoctrination methods in the group. 78 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:49,210 And the group really believed 79 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:54,059 that they were training for this trip to outer space. 80 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,029 They said: "We want to be part of a crew. 81 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:01,050 A crew which acts as a whole." 82 00:04:01,069 --> 00:04:03,059 And they looked at Star Trek and said: "That's it." 83 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,040 PICCARD: Captain's log, stardate 41153.7. 84 00:04:14,060 --> 00:04:17,020 Our destination is planet Deneb IV, 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,130 beyond which lies the great unexplored mass of the galaxy. 86 00:04:23,050 --> 00:04:28,030 We watched several approved TV programs. 87 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:31,000 Star Trek was one of them. 88 00:04:31,019 --> 00:04:33,089 It was about expanding 89 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:36,190 our potential into space travel. 90 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:40,229 Which was analogous to what we were doing. 91 00:04:41,009 --> 00:04:44,029 MAN: Initiate docking procedures. 92 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:46,130 Maneuvering thrusters only. 93 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:09,080 ...for as a benefit of the overall collective. 94 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:12,150 We do are on a quest to better ourselves. 95 00:05:12,170 --> 00:05:15,180 Evolving toward a state of perfection. 96 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:18,029 Who are you? 97 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:20,070 I am the Borg. 98 00:05:20,089 --> 00:05:23,099 DATA: The Borg have a collective consciousness, 99 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,020 there are no individuals. 100 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:30,040 SAWYER: Do said that's like depicting the Next Level. 101 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:32,130 The members of the Borg. 102 00:05:32,149 --> 00:05:34,009 I thought: "Ooh." 103 00:05:34,029 --> 00:05:37,209 That's-- that's kind of, like, uncomfortable, 104 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:41,200 A cog in wheel is a very significant item, 105 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:44,130 when you are in our Father's Kingdom 106 00:05:44,149 --> 00:05:47,089 serving as a member of a crew. 107 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:51,060 [robotic voice] We are the Borg, resistance is futile. 108 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,100 FRANK: In the group 109 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,190 we obviously didn't go out and get haircuts 110 00:06:31,209 --> 00:06:33,089 at the barber shop. 111 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:36,220 So we would cut each other's hair. 112 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I was a hair cutter at one point, 113 00:06:39,019 --> 00:06:40,099 I cut hair, you know? 114 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,180 WOMAN: Oh! 115 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:43,219 Well, next time you come in you'll be cutting my hair. 116 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,120 [laughing] 117 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,169 Within the first couple of years, 118 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:52,189 after Ti passed, 119 00:06:52,209 --> 00:06:55,129 we were gathered in the main room, 120 00:06:55,149 --> 00:06:59,189 Do is taking questions, 121 00:06:59,209 --> 00:07:02,039 and I raised my hand 122 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:05,060 To make an observation 123 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:07,029 because it was in the morning, my... 124 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:10,080 my voice was a little bit... 125 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:12,050 huskier. 126 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,070 Hence, we're moving into a world that is genderless, 127 00:07:36,090 --> 00:07:38,140 we are doing everything we can do 128 00:07:38,159 --> 00:07:41,999 to not identify with a gender. 129 00:07:42,019 --> 00:07:44,159 But I was... 130 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:46,040 humiliated. 131 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:50,200 I felt this smoldering anger 132 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:53,210 come up in me. 133 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,190 And then, after that, 134 00:08:05,209 --> 00:08:12,019 I gradually developed this severe 135 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,010 inability to speak like-- 136 00:08:14,029 --> 00:08:17,119 like I have still 137 00:08:17,139 --> 00:08:20,179 'cause there's always this push-pull, 138 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,149 always this suppression. 139 00:08:26,149 --> 00:08:28,009 I wrote a note to Do, 140 00:08:28,029 --> 00:08:32,019 telling him I'm feeling 141 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,039 I can't be in the group anymore. 142 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,100 He came to talk to me and said: 143 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,120 "You are throwing away 144 00:08:39,139 --> 00:08:43,089 "your opportunity to graduate. 145 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:45,170 "You haven't done anything 146 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:47,110 "to displease me. 147 00:08:47,129 --> 00:08:51,009 There's no reason for you to leave." 148 00:08:51,029 --> 00:08:55,219 And I kept returning to this, gut knowing, 149 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,150 and saying: "I'm sorry, I have no choice." 150 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,099 A couple days after I arrived in Calgary, 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,020 Erika called me on the phone. 152 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:14,029 And, of course, 153 00:09:14,049 --> 00:09:16,149 there would've been somebody else 154 00:09:16,169 --> 00:09:18,029 on the extension. 155 00:09:18,049 --> 00:09:20,119 Check partner. 156 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:44,190 I don't know if she would've wanted to say anything 157 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:49,190 but she had her check partner in the extension. 158 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:53,200 That was the last time I spoke to her. 159 00:10:14,179 --> 00:10:16,229 JANJA: This is a thing people don't understand 160 00:10:17,009 --> 00:10:18,069 about leaving cult, 161 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:20,140 you're-- you're leaving your whole world. 162 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:23,029 And you don't know what's out there 163 00:10:23,049 --> 00:10:25,039 and you've been fed a bunch of bull 164 00:10:25,059 --> 00:10:27,009 about what's gonna happen to you. 165 00:10:28,110 --> 00:10:31,110 In Heaven's Gate you weren't this person. 166 00:10:31,129 --> 00:10:34,029 So you really had nothing to go back to. 167 00:10:34,049 --> 00:10:35,129 And so, to me, 168 00:10:35,149 --> 00:10:38,159 that's a far deeper type of indoctrination. 169 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:42,079 Steve Hassan is a world renowned cult expert. 170 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:46,080 He himself was recruited into a cult at 19 years of age. 171 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:47,190 Now, he's written a book called 172 00:10:47,210 --> 00:10:49,200 Combatting Cult Mind Control. 173 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:51,040 [applause] 174 00:10:51,059 --> 00:10:52,079 Steve, what's going on here? 175 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,200 People can be systematically broken down, 176 00:10:55,220 --> 00:10:59,080 indoctrinated, through controlling information, 177 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:02,040 controlling their behavior, controlling their thoughts, 178 00:11:02,059 --> 00:11:03,999 controlling their emotions, 179 00:11:04,019 --> 00:11:07,999 and made into obedient, dependent slaves, 180 00:11:08,019 --> 00:11:10,079 or clones, of the cult leader. 181 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,210 In my work counseling people who have left cults, 182 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:16,200 you know, physically leaving the cult 183 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:18,180 doesn't get it out of your head. 184 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,010 Specially if you've been in it for years. 185 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:28,080 People tend to blame the members, 186 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:31,000 they did not appreciate 187 00:11:31,019 --> 00:11:34,129 the robust amount of social psychological 188 00:11:34,149 --> 00:11:37,119 destructive mind control techniques 189 00:11:37,139 --> 00:11:40,129 that were systematically applied. 190 00:11:40,149 --> 00:11:45,009 They made people cut off from their family and friends. 191 00:11:45,029 --> 00:11:48,089 They made people be in couples. 192 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:50,050 So they had no privacy. 193 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:52,050 They changed their names. 194 00:11:52,070 --> 00:11:54,010 They changed their clothing. 195 00:11:54,029 --> 00:11:56,059 They change their diet. 196 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,050 It's classic mind control, in my opinion, 197 00:12:00,070 --> 00:12:02,100 to create a new pseudo-identity 198 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,210 that was obedient. 199 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:09,020 NARRATOR: The experiment of Solomon Asch 200 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:10,169 examines behavior under the pressure 201 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:12,180 of social forces. 202 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,100 STEVEN: In my practice, 203 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,180 when I'm doing interventions with people, 204 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,180 I show videos of the Asch Conformity Study. 205 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,150 MAN: The experiment you'll be taking part in today, 206 00:12:24,169 --> 00:12:27,099 involves the perception of lengths of lines. 207 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,060 You're to look at the line on the left, 208 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,140 and determine which of the three lines on the right 209 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:33,079 is equal to it in length. 210 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:36,050 STEVE: And everybody was in on the experiment 211 00:12:36,070 --> 00:12:39,070 except the person in seat six. 212 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:42,060 And they start giving the correct answer 213 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,190 for two rounds 214 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:46,150 and then they all start giving the wrong answer. 215 00:12:46,169 --> 00:12:48,019 MAN: Two. 216 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:49,999 MAN 2: Two. 217 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:51,009 MAN 3: Two. 218 00:12:52,179 --> 00:12:55,189 Two. 219 00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:57,170 Uh, two. 220 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:59,220 NARRATOR: The subject denies the evidence 221 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,060 of his own eyes and yields to group influence. 222 00:13:03,129 --> 00:13:05,089 And this experiment has been done 223 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:07,190 over and over again for decades 224 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:10,000 and the answer universally is 225 00:13:10,019 --> 00:13:13,199 two thirds of everyone who does this experiment 226 00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:16,060 starts giving the wrong answer. 227 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:18,079 One. 228 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:19,180 They must be right, 229 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,070 they're four of them and one of me. 230 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:23,150 Uh, one. 231 00:13:23,169 --> 00:13:26,039 We all wanna think that we're independent, 232 00:13:26,059 --> 00:13:28,119 and we would never agree. 233 00:13:28,139 --> 00:13:31,039 But the science, the social science says, 234 00:13:31,059 --> 00:13:34,119 we're programmed to fit into groups, 235 00:13:34,139 --> 00:13:36,179 we're gonna start adapting 236 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,000 to the people in our environment 237 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:40,109 in order to fit in. 238 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:41,159 MAN: Hi. 239 00:13:41,179 --> 00:13:43,079 WOMAN: We're good you're here. 240 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:44,200 JANJA: When you're in a cult, 241 00:13:44,220 --> 00:13:46,110 specially for any length of time, 242 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:49,039 you're in what I call a self-sealing system. 243 00:13:49,059 --> 00:13:50,999 This is a social system 244 00:13:51,019 --> 00:13:52,199 that's closed in on itself. 245 00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:55,170 Your free will is under the will 246 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:57,110 of the leader and the group. 247 00:13:57,129 --> 00:14:00,169 So, you're only doing what you need to do 248 00:14:00,190 --> 00:14:03,090 to stay in the good graces of the group. 249 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:06,089 What ended up happening 250 00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:08,060 was there's these idle threats, 251 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,210 from my point of view, 252 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:14,180 of fear, that if you missed the boat, 253 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,090 you may not get another chance. 254 00:14:20,070 --> 00:14:22,020 MAN: Come on. 255 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:23,119 JANJA: Peer pressure 256 00:14:23,139 --> 00:14:24,999 is so important in these groups, right? 257 00:14:25,019 --> 00:14:26,139 So you can see, 258 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,049 you know, SRRODY doing it, 259 00:14:28,070 --> 00:14:29,200 so that you know that you should be at least 260 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:32,040 as dedicated as SRRODY. 261 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:35,090 So you are often comparing yourself 262 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:38,050 to the people who looked like they're more devoted, 263 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:39,160 so you can be ridding yourself 264 00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:42,039 of all these human characteristics 265 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:43,159 that are in this... 266 00:14:43,179 --> 00:14:45,189 body that you happen to be living in. 267 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,050 DO: I'm afraid that here I need to get a little personal, 268 00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:55,020 sex is the strongest drug, 269 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,129 there's not a drug, there's not a morphine 270 00:14:57,149 --> 00:14:59,229 or anything that is produced by 271 00:15:00,009 --> 00:15:02,109 chemicals or plants of this world, 272 00:15:02,129 --> 00:15:05,209 as strong as that drug. 273 00:15:07,090 --> 00:15:11,100 It's something we have to go through the withdrawal of, 274 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,160 we have to overcome. 275 00:15:14,179 --> 00:15:16,229 Just looking at a female, 276 00:15:17,009 --> 00:15:20,089 would inflame the-- the--, you know, 277 00:15:20,110 --> 00:15:22,150 the hormones in my body. 278 00:15:22,169 --> 00:15:28,049 And he would just constantly tried to find techniques 279 00:15:28,070 --> 00:15:31,230 that would eliminate that desire. 280 00:15:32,009 --> 00:15:33,229 We had a procedure 281 00:15:34,009 --> 00:15:36,159 that if you had a nocturnal emission, 282 00:15:36,179 --> 00:15:39,189 they had wash clothes set aside in the bath chambers 283 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:43,200 so you can clean up before you went back to bed. 284 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:47,110 And I didn't want to use them, 285 00:15:47,129 --> 00:15:49,109 because I didn't want to expose 286 00:15:49,129 --> 00:15:52,069 that I had a nocturnal emission. 287 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:53,210 I did feel guilty about it. 288 00:15:55,059 --> 00:15:57,169 And then they made it into a sign out. 289 00:15:57,190 --> 00:16:02,130 So that they would know who had a nocturnal emission. 290 00:16:04,149 --> 00:16:08,029 Having to admit to it and the same around it, 291 00:16:08,049 --> 00:16:10,049 the defeated feeling, 292 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:13,010 like, you know, almost had to go back to square one, 293 00:16:13,029 --> 00:16:15,219 uh, was enough for me 294 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,050 and, I think I can speak for everybody, 295 00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:20,150 to keep them in check. 296 00:16:20,169 --> 00:16:25,159 And this is, uh, Dick Joslyn. 297 00:16:27,049 --> 00:16:31,229 He had been recruited in Los Angeles in 1975. 298 00:16:32,009 --> 00:16:34,119 He's obviously a very attractive guy, 299 00:16:34,139 --> 00:16:37,189 and he became one of Do's helpers 300 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:40,010 after Ti died. 301 00:16:40,029 --> 00:16:42,199 One of the core members of the group. 302 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:47,010 Do, of course, was gay, 303 00:16:47,029 --> 00:16:50,019 and Dick Joslyn was gay, 304 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:54,049 and one day Do called him aside 305 00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:56,090 and said, 306 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:58,010 "I hate to tell you this, 307 00:16:58,029 --> 00:17:02,009 "but my vehicle is becoming attracted to your vehicle 308 00:17:02,029 --> 00:17:05,119 "and so I got to relieve you of your responsibility 309 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:08,050 of being one of my helpers." 310 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:12,169 And Dick was absolutely devastated. 311 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:16,050 Marshall Applewhite didn't like his homosexuality. 312 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:20,169 So he created a myth around that piece he didn't like. 313 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:23,150 He came to a conclusion about his body 314 00:17:23,170 --> 00:17:25,180 that it was abhorrent. 315 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,100 SAWYER: Do held a meeting 316 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,059 and he said that he had a nocturnal emission 317 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:35,169 and he was investigating having himself castrated. 318 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:38,020 Will any of you have reservations 319 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:40,059 of having the same procedure done? 320 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,139 And I didn't have any reservations. 321 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,190 I was committed to being celibate 322 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:47,110 for the rest of my life. 323 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:50,150 If-- if your eye offend you, block it out. 324 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,230 It's the same idea, 325 00:17:53,009 --> 00:17:54,999 if something is so offensive to you 326 00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:58,009 that your control is threatened by it 327 00:17:58,029 --> 00:17:59,219 then why shouldn't you dispose of it 328 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,060 if you have that option to do it. 329 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:03,099 Not that I have ever talked to anyone 330 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,199 into taking that action. 331 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:08,220 JANJA: And I think Do was greatly influenced 332 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,190 by some of the stronger members at that point 333 00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:15,030 who fed him some of the more extreme ideas. 334 00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:17,189 And that's not unusual in a group. 335 00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:20,230 It kind of took control of him. 336 00:18:21,009 --> 00:18:22,099 I think, in a sense, 337 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,149 he was also a victim. 338 00:18:27,089 --> 00:18:29,079 I was told that, for example, 339 00:18:29,099 --> 00:18:32,229 the castrations, uh, was not his idea. 340 00:18:33,009 --> 00:18:35,079 And was, actually SRRODY's idea, 341 00:18:35,099 --> 00:18:38,999 who was one of the more gung ho members. 342 00:18:39,019 --> 00:18:41,149 DO: SRRODY is the clown of the class, or-- 343 00:18:41,170 --> 00:18:43,030 All right, I shouldn't say that. 344 00:18:43,049 --> 00:18:46,179 I'm teasing him, as I always do. 345 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080 SRRODY was always a go getter. 346 00:18:49,099 --> 00:18:50,199 You know, his Irish vehicle. 347 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,170 And he was very quick. 348 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:55,160 He would run to go do things, 349 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:56,200 there was a task 350 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:58,220 and people would criticize him for running. 351 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,180 DO: Never shy of energy, 352 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,120 you always have to tone him down. 353 00:19:03,140 --> 00:19:05,100 We keep saying, "Down, SRRODY." 354 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:07,210 Had this thought, 355 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:10,120 SRRODY was gonna beat me to the punch 356 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:12,210 of having this castration experience. 357 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:15,200 In my mind, it was like-- giving proof to the Next Level 358 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:18,040 that I was all the way in. 359 00:19:18,059 --> 00:19:20,109 This is terribly human. 360 00:19:20,130 --> 00:19:22,060 It was, like, competitive. 361 00:19:24,049 --> 00:19:25,039 Do said, 362 00:19:25,059 --> 00:19:27,159 "We've set up a sterile room 363 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:29,180 "and we're gonna proceed doing the castrations 364 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,220 that you all have convinced me that you wanted." 365 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,110 He made a sign, and the sing said "Mexico". 366 00:19:37,130 --> 00:19:39,040 And he put that above the door. 367 00:19:39,059 --> 00:19:42,209 So that if we ever were questioned by authorities, 368 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:47,020 we could honestly say that we went to Mexico to do it. 369 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,099 LVVODY and JNNODY were there. 370 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,049 And LVVODY was gonna perform the procedure 371 00:19:52,069 --> 00:19:53,089 'cause she is the nurse 372 00:19:53,109 --> 00:19:56,169 and she had worked for orchidectomist 373 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:59,000 and individual that removed testicles. 374 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,139 Do said, "Who's gonna go first?" 375 00:20:06,069 --> 00:20:08,049 And so he flipped the coin, 376 00:20:08,069 --> 00:20:10,139 and SRRODY won the toss, 377 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,140 so he got to choose who would go first, 378 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,150 and he wanted to go first. 379 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:18,230 LVVODY cut the testicle sack open, 380 00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:21,189 and I almost fainted. 381 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,230 So I was done, but then, 382 00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:29,229 SRRODY's testicle sack started to get bigger. 383 00:20:30,009 --> 00:20:31,999 And, uh... 384 00:20:32,019 --> 00:20:33,169 You know... 385 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:35,210 getting a little iffy. 386 00:20:35,230 --> 00:20:38,210 And SRRODY started to moan. 387 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:43,229 And Do said that... 388 00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:46,059 he did a terrible thing. 389 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,119 [sniffles] 390 00:20:51,009 --> 00:20:53,029 He-- he went too far, he said. 391 00:20:53,049 --> 00:20:54,129 He said, "I went too far 392 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:56,150 "to allow this to happen 393 00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:59,020 and you need to take me to the police." 394 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,149 And LVVODY and JNNODY and I said, 395 00:21:05,170 --> 00:21:07,120 "No way. 396 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:10,120 We'll take care of it." 397 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:11,220 We didn't want to go to a hospital 398 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,110 'cause we were afraid that 399 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:16,220 something would be seen as, uh, 400 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,230 illegal. 401 00:21:19,009 --> 00:21:21,999 And we didn't want that to get back to Do. 402 00:21:24,069 --> 00:21:27,069 And so we ended up calling a priest. 403 00:21:27,089 --> 00:21:30,179 Seeing if they had any experience with anybody that 404 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,040 chose to be castrated. 405 00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:36,179 And the priest didn't know what we were talking about. 406 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,140 He wasn't any worse, 407 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,150 but he wasn't any better either. 408 00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:45,010 It was just, what can we do to, you know, 409 00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:48,029 uh, to fix this. 410 00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:50,049 We decided to bring him to a hospital. 411 00:21:50,069 --> 00:21:52,209 SRRODY stayed there overnight for observation. 412 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:55,080 I was wired, I mean, it was like, 413 00:21:55,099 --> 00:21:56,999 people say that when they're 414 00:21:57,019 --> 00:21:59,079 in a big crime scene or something is like surreal. 415 00:21:59,099 --> 00:22:01,079 That's what I was experiencing. 416 00:22:01,099 --> 00:22:03,199 I was... surreal about this. 417 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:07,160 And JNNODY and I went to the pier 418 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:10,040 and we threw the testicles in there. 419 00:22:10,059 --> 00:22:12,039 [splashing] 420 00:22:12,059 --> 00:22:14,039 I don't know if that was necessary or not, 421 00:22:14,059 --> 00:22:16,049 but we didn't want any evidence. 422 00:22:16,069 --> 00:22:18,129 And Do at that point said, 423 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:20,170 that, um, 424 00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:23,130 he didn't want to continue with the castrations 425 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:26,000 and I know I was disappointed. 426 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:32,010 But then, they found some doctors 427 00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:34,129 that would do the procedure. 428 00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:38,020 And Do was also castrated. 429 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:39,209 Eventually, they were, 430 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:42,050 depending on which source you look to, 431 00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:44,179 between seven and nine men within the group 432 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,090 who had been castrated. 433 00:22:47,109 --> 00:22:49,199 But most of the men were not interested 434 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:51,140 in having the surgery done. 435 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,119 KELLY: My father had issue 436 00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:18,010 with how they castrated themselves 437 00:23:18,029 --> 00:23:21,019 to overcome their sexuality. 438 00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:27,210 That was something really couldn't identify with doing. 439 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,109 And he-- he just left. 440 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,109 And then my mom came back. 441 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:41,200 They had a way of relating to each other 442 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:43,110 since they've both been in the cult. 443 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:48,100 And that became very isolating to them. 444 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,229 So I knew there was a possibility 445 00:23:51,009 --> 00:23:53,229 for them to rejoin the cult. 446 00:23:54,009 --> 00:23:56,049 They didn't say when, 447 00:23:56,069 --> 00:23:59,229 it was just a matter of time. 448 00:24:00,009 --> 00:24:05,029 I living in this constant state of limbo. 449 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:15,220 This was a group where people were free to come and go. 450 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,080 There were many people who left of their own free will, 451 00:24:18,099 --> 00:24:20,119 including some who were told to leave 452 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,040 because they weren't following the rules. 453 00:24:25,109 --> 00:24:29,209 DO: This little classroom dwindled to 50 454 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:34,030 and then dwindled down to couple dozen. 455 00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:38,130 BENJAMIN: Starting in 1991, 456 00:24:38,150 --> 00:24:40,230 the group engaged in a media onslaught, 457 00:24:41,009 --> 00:24:43,999 trying to reach out to new members. 458 00:24:44,019 --> 00:24:46,189 Part because the group had really shrunk, 459 00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:48,180 but it's also because for many members 460 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,050 and leaders of the group, 461 00:24:50,069 --> 00:24:52,059 they thought they were approaching the end. 462 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:53,189 Not just the end of the group 463 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:55,070 but the potential for the end of the world. 464 00:24:55,089 --> 00:24:57,079 Now the end of the age, 465 00:24:57,099 --> 00:25:01,039 I'm afraid I feel is right upon us. 466 00:25:01,059 --> 00:25:02,169 It's gonna come... 467 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:06,040 and I-- I don't want to sound like a prophet, 468 00:25:06,059 --> 00:25:09,159 but my gut says, and everything else that I know, 469 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:13,000 points to that it's going to come 470 00:25:13,019 --> 00:25:15,059 before the turn of the century. 471 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,229 BENJAMIN: This was a time 472 00:25:19,009 --> 00:25:21,209 that was rife with end-of-the-world fears. 473 00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:24,200 And there were a lot of new religious movements 474 00:25:24,220 --> 00:25:26,120 in the 1990s 475 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:28,130 that looked to the year 2000 476 00:25:28,150 --> 00:25:31,050 and a few years before and after that, 477 00:25:31,069 --> 00:25:35,149 as a moment at which the world was going to end. 478 00:25:35,170 --> 00:25:38,100 This is the countdown to the coming of Christ, folks. 479 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,039 We don't know the day and the hour in Matthew 24:36, 480 00:25:41,059 --> 00:25:43,119 but Jesus said, you'll know when it's near. 481 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:45,130 CHUCK: And as far as our departure, 482 00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:47,100 we don't really know whether we're gonna depart 483 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,019 with that end or whether our departure 484 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,169 will be before or somewhere in between 485 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:54,080 or anything like that. 486 00:25:54,099 --> 00:25:56,159 And that for 16 years 487 00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,230 we haven't shared this truth. 488 00:26:00,109 --> 00:26:03,029 And now, all of a sudden, we're getting instruction 489 00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:05,109 to give it out 490 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,050 more clearly. 491 00:26:07,069 --> 00:26:11,219 And this is what you're witnessing tonight. 492 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,100 BENJAMIN: They began a satellite television series 493 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,029 called "Beyond Human." 494 00:26:16,049 --> 00:26:19,059 They paid for 14 hours of time. 495 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:20,219 Where were we? 496 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,160 Remind me of our question again. 497 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:25,200 Um, how do I identify which god? 498 00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:28,100 BENJAMIN: They took out an ad in USA Today, 499 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,999 a national newspaper. 500 00:26:30,019 --> 00:26:32,229 SAWYER: It was, uh, third on the page, I believe, 501 00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:34,149 and it cost $30,000. 502 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:36,230 They put a PO box there, 503 00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:41,109 and we got people who would correspond with us. 504 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:44,070 And we started responding to the correspondence. 505 00:26:46,069 --> 00:26:48,149 They created several VHS tapes 506 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:51,200 which they mailed around to anyone who wanted copy. 507 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,100 From this they were able to reconnect 508 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,109 with several ex members, 509 00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:57,110 some new members joined, 510 00:26:57,130 --> 00:27:00,150 and then, of course, they went back on the road. 511 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:04,150 ♪ ♪ 512 00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:06,160 Here we go. 513 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:19,029 Sometimes use an analogy of Star Trek, 514 00:27:19,049 --> 00:27:21,019 most everybody hopefully have seen 515 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,119 some kind of Star Trek show. 516 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:24,210 DENISE: You know, we've been in seclusion for 18 years 517 00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:26,120 and our description of this material 518 00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,080 is probably lacking, 519 00:27:28,099 --> 00:27:31,029 and if you can help us know where your areas are 520 00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:33,229 that we've left unclear then we can help fill 'em in. 521 00:27:44,019 --> 00:27:46,219 ♪ I had to praise you ♪ 522 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,080 ♪ ♪ 523 00:27:48,099 --> 00:27:51,009 ♪ I had to praise you like I should ♪ 524 00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:53,229 HOST: Members are not often intellectually deprived, 525 00:27:54,009 --> 00:27:55,039 sociologically deprived, 526 00:27:55,059 --> 00:27:56,209 but often times very intelligent people. 527 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:59,090 What would make an intelligent person then, 528 00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:02,029 essentially, give up their life to somebody else. 529 00:28:02,049 --> 00:28:04,039 Well, as a former cult member, 530 00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:05,169 and a licensed mental health counselor 531 00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:07,040 who's been working for 20 years, 532 00:28:07,059 --> 00:28:09,049 I can tell you that I've counseled, literally, 533 00:28:09,069 --> 00:28:12,199 thousands of people who are very bright, educated. 534 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:14,060 And, essentially, 535 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,019 they're ignorant about cult tactics, 536 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,079 the cults use deception, manipulation, 537 00:28:18,099 --> 00:28:21,069 hypnosis, behavior modification to get people in. 538 00:28:21,089 --> 00:28:23,209 And they're also situationally vulnerable. 539 00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:27,120 I've had a hundred or more cases 540 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,010 where people described 541 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:31,089 a vulnerable moment in their life 542 00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:33,089 when they were approached. 543 00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:35,189 Death of a loved one, illness, 544 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:38,100 uh, moving to a new city, state or country, 545 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:39,199 losing a job... 546 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:42,020 Where the person goes, 547 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:46,229 "God, tell me what I'm supposed to be doing with my life." 548 00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:49,039 And then, knock, knock, 549 00:28:49,059 --> 00:28:51,999 "Can we study the Bible with you?" 550 00:28:52,019 --> 00:28:55,119 ♪ ♪ 551 00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:59,190 JASON: I first met up with the class 552 00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:03,070 in July of 1994 in Madison, Wisconsin, 553 00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:04,229 after I dropped out of college. 554 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:11,030 I didn't really have a whole lot at that point. 555 00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:12,999 A really close friend of mine 556 00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:14,999 brought home a flyer for the meeting. 557 00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,029 Immediately we both were fascinated by it 558 00:29:17,049 --> 00:29:19,149 and said "We have to do this." 559 00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:24,080 He was talking about how there are 560 00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:28,069 beings here right now from another level of existence 561 00:29:28,089 --> 00:29:30,019 doing their last circuit around, 562 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,089 gathering up individuals. 563 00:29:34,049 --> 00:29:36,149 As I was at the meeting, it was just 564 00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:38,170 a deep sense of recognition. 565 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:40,070 I-- I knew who they were 566 00:29:40,089 --> 00:29:42,029 and I knew what they were saying. 567 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:45,230 DEB: For my brother, 568 00:29:46,009 --> 00:29:48,999 I think he was, in colloquial terms, 569 00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:50,109 ripe for the picking. 570 00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:56,080 He'd had an attempted suicide once before the cult, 571 00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:59,199 and someone had left the copy of the USA Today 572 00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:03,190 in the breakroom at work and he picked it up. 573 00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:07,000 The cult had placed a full page ad 574 00:30:07,019 --> 00:30:10,199 making comments like the Earth is about to be recycled, 575 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:12,210 this is your last opportunity... 576 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:15,040 And he was drawn to that. 577 00:30:16,210 --> 00:30:19,190 He was looking for a place to belong. 578 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:23,160 People that he felt he could align with. 579 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:24,230 WOMAN: Hey, Gail, are you ready? 580 00:30:25,009 --> 00:30:26,169 - For what? - The big day? 581 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:28,080 To entertain you? [laughing] 582 00:30:28,099 --> 00:30:32,059 She had just broken off with a boyfriend of four, five years. 583 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,229 And the store wasn't going well. 584 00:30:34,009 --> 00:30:35,199 I think that was a trigger, 585 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,130 because a couple of months later 586 00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:39,130 we got one of these recruitment flyers 587 00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:40,170 for this group. 588 00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:42,060 Talking about UFOs and all that. 589 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:43,999 Then we knew we were in trouble. 590 00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:45,089 ALICE: When she called home, 591 00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:46,209 I said, "Hi, Gail, what are you doing?" 592 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:48,180 And she said, "Did you get my flyer?" 593 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,050 And we said yes, and she said, 594 00:30:50,069 --> 00:30:51,199 well, that's what I'm doing, what do you think of it? 595 00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:54,010 Oh, when you're coming home? 596 00:30:56,009 --> 00:30:58,149 Oh, no, Gail, you've got to come. 597 00:30:58,170 --> 00:31:00,180 So, what kind of group are you with? 598 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:05,050 Oh, really? 599 00:31:05,069 --> 00:31:07,209 Yeah? 600 00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:09,170 Do you have an address or a phone number 601 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:11,230 where I can get a hold of you if you need be? 602 00:31:12,009 --> 00:31:14,019 Well, keep in contact, baby, 603 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,209 because I love you so much and I miss you awfully. 604 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,110 And, uh, we figured, all right, all right, 605 00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:22,180 someday she'll realize this is not for her 606 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,130 and she'll walk out. 607 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:13,140 BENJAMIN: While they were able to attract, 608 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,030 uh, some new members, 609 00:32:16,049 --> 00:32:17,229 the attempts of the members of Heaven's Gate and Do 610 00:32:18,009 --> 00:32:21,029 to reach out, really met widely with rejection. 611 00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:26,149 RADIO HOST: There must be some thing, some experience 612 00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:28,100 some knowledge, some truth 613 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:32,219 some something that has given you to know 614 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,110 what you say you know. 615 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:35,200 And I'm only asking you what is it. 616 00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:37,090 What makes you different? 617 00:32:37,109 --> 00:32:40,109 Besides the fact that you recognize truth or-- 618 00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:41,110 [laughing] 619 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,110 Any questions? 620 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:45,189 [laughing] 621 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,219 [indistinct chattering] 622 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,080 WOMAN: You are plugged into a tree, literally! 623 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:07,229 You see? 624 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:10,230 WOMAN: I said, "Look, there's JWNODY plugged into a tree!" 625 00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:13,050 MAN: Here we have JWNODY with this, 626 00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:16,110 and we understand that you have something you'd like to share? 627 00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:19,080 Well, yes, this is for our clients. 628 00:35:19,099 --> 00:35:21,119 And you may ask who are our clients. 629 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:25,040 We have a little business that we call Higher Source, 630 00:35:25,059 --> 00:35:28,999 from which we earn our income so we can consume 631 00:35:29,019 --> 00:35:30,129 while we are on this planet. 632 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,160 We always were self-supporting, 633 00:35:34,179 --> 00:35:37,199 which a lot of entities that are in our position 634 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:39,119 might not be. 635 00:35:40,219 --> 00:35:43,999 ROBERT BALCH: At the time, there weren't that many people 636 00:35:44,019 --> 00:35:46,099 who were heavily into computers, 637 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,189 as far as going out and making money. 638 00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:53,000 One of the early members, RKKODY, Chuck Humphrey, 639 00:35:53,019 --> 00:35:55,209 we actually had a computer shop. 640 00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:58,010 Um, it was probably one of the very first computer shops 641 00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:59,220 way back in the 70s. 642 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,109 He introduced people to computers, 643 00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:06,050 a lot were self-taught. 644 00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:09,010 JASON: There was a core group 645 00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:10,130 who were, uh, computer people 646 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:13,090 and so they had the kind of nine to five jobby jobs 647 00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:15,170 and they would-- they would leave the warehouse every day. 648 00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:21,200 FRANK: About half the group worked outside the class, 649 00:36:21,219 --> 00:36:26,169 to bring in funds after the trust fund ran out. 650 00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:29,170 SAWYER: We had pretty good tasks at that point, 651 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:33,180 working, you know, professional jobs in computers. 652 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:37,050 SRRODY was a great Assembly programmer, 653 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,050 and C programmer, you know, I couldn't... 654 00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:42,040 really get with it, like to that degree of technicalities. 655 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,999 ROBERT: They did have some really great people 656 00:36:48,019 --> 00:36:51,039 and they tried to put their message out on the Internet. 657 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,180 BENJAMIN: They did look the Internet 658 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,019 as a way to reach out 659 00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,139 and connect with people. 660 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,069 [modem hissing] 661 00:37:01,090 --> 00:37:03,130 They began uploading content to the website 662 00:37:07,179 --> 00:37:10,099 Bu they were greeted with, affectively, cyber bullying. 663 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,120 I think the best example of this are Do's Usenet postings. 664 00:37:17,010 --> 00:37:19,140 Usenet is an online bulletin board system 665 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,179 where you can post really almost anything. 666 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,139 And it's organized by topic. 667 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,209 Do posted to, uh, topics 668 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:29,180 associated with artificial intelligence, 669 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:33,079 with science fiction, with Christianity, 670 00:37:33,099 --> 00:37:36,059 And he posted a, really, a manifesto, 671 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,139 that he was Jesus that he had come back, 672 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:38,229 that the world was ending, 673 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:42,140 the way to leave the Earth was to join with him. 674 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,179 Within the group it made sense 675 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,209 to talk about disincarnated space aliens, 676 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:51,020 it made sense to talk about the Next Level. 677 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:54,149 These vehicles we occupy or human vehicles, 678 00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:57,080 that we also recognize that the mind 679 00:37:57,099 --> 00:38:00,179 that we are attempting to graft into, 680 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,999 and receive our nourishment from 681 00:38:04,019 --> 00:38:06,079 comes from the Kingdom Level of Heaven. 682 00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:08,159 BENJAMIN: Outside the group it looks like nonsense. 683 00:38:08,179 --> 00:38:10,019 And it was treated as nonsense. 684 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:14,200 People posted incendiary rude responses, 685 00:38:14,219 --> 00:38:16,079 saying that you are an idiot to believe this, 686 00:38:16,099 --> 00:38:17,999 you must be crazy, are you occultist... 687 00:38:19,219 --> 00:38:21,169 The members of the group began to feel 688 00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:24,050 as if their attempts to reach out had failed 689 00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:28,150 and the sign had come for them to give up on our planet. 690 00:38:31,019 --> 00:38:32,999 It's a very short time 691 00:38:33,019 --> 00:38:35,119 before our departure. 692 00:38:35,139 --> 00:38:39,089 Our thoughts will be of you, 693 00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:41,230 we hope that your thoughts will be... 694 00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:44,140 [voice breaking] of our Father's Kingdom. 695 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:47,030 Thank you. 696 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:51,120 They had become, in their words, a class. 697 00:38:51,139 --> 00:38:53,029 And what happens with a class? 698 00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:54,090 They graduate. 699 00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:55,120 And that was the term they used. 700 00:38:55,139 --> 00:38:56,189 They called it a graduation. 701 00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:17,010 They talked about it in a variety of ways, 702 00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:20,050 but they never talked about it as suicide. 703 00:39:20,070 --> 00:39:22,080 There was always the exit, 704 00:39:22,099 --> 00:39:26,079 suicide would be to stay here on this planet. 705 00:39:26,099 --> 00:39:28,029 This world is rotten 706 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:31,000 And I would rather die in service to my interpretation 707 00:39:31,019 --> 00:39:33,139 of what God is than stay here. 708 00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:38,059 And they didn't always talk about the exit 709 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,179 as something that they would do to themselves. 710 00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,179 There was a series of events that demonstrated, 711 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,119 at least to the members of Heaven's Gate, 712 00:39:45,139 --> 00:39:47,209 that there was a war between the US Government 713 00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:50,020 and people who believed and acted differently. 714 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,179 People who loved their God so, in their own way, 715 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,089 that they end up being-- 716 00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:59,020 like what happened to Randy Weaver. 717 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:00,169 Ruby Ridge. 718 00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:03,120 What happened at Waco. 719 00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:07,150 [gunshots firing] 720 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:08,160 REPORTER: The stand-off's been going on 721 00:40:08,179 --> 00:40:09,219 for about 45 minutes now. 722 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,080 OFFICER: You hear what we're talking about? 723 00:40:11,099 --> 00:40:12,139 REPORTER: Yes, sir. 724 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,009 OFFICER: I gotta take the shot. 725 00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:15,100 - Get the hell off of here. - I'll get off the property, 726 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,139 that's what I'm doing, sir. 727 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:17,219 [sirens blaring] 728 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,140 REPORTER: The credo of the Branch Davidians cult 729 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,179 was preparing for the end of the world 730 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,159 and it has been said that David Koresh 731 00:40:23,179 --> 00:40:25,069 and his followers have been seeking 732 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:27,190 some kind of confrontation. 733 00:40:32,059 --> 00:40:34,229 I'm sure every cult in the United States, 734 00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:37,210 like, glued to the TV, during that whole event. 735 00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:39,020 And they're all thinking 736 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:40,209 "Could this happen to us?" 737 00:40:46,059 --> 00:40:47,189 BENJAMING: So, members of Heaven's Gate 738 00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:51,010 feared the government was going to come and kill them. 739 00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:53,110 However, in a twist, 740 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:57,000 they actually thought this would be a good thing. 741 00:40:57,019 --> 00:41:01,029 FRANK: Do openly talked with us, as a group, 742 00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:04,150 saying, "Perhaps we could 743 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:08,120 "buy firearms, learn to use them, 744 00:41:08,139 --> 00:41:11,119 "and be seen as a threat 745 00:41:11,139 --> 00:41:15,229 that would trigger our demise." 746 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:19,030 And it's like, ah, that doesn't sound very nice, 747 00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:21,080 you know, and half of us would be dead, 748 00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:23,179 and the other half will end up maimed and crippled, 749 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,189 and still stuck here on planet Earth. 750 00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:27,080 And sounds painful 751 00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:29,129 and so they didn't really like that idea. 752 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,059 I mean, I don't care for any of... 753 00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:41,199 the fame or glory of the human role 754 00:41:41,219 --> 00:41:43,159 it's absolutely worthless to me. 755 00:41:43,179 --> 00:41:45,089 I can't wait to get out of here. 756 00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:50,010 I apologize for being so emotional, 757 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:52,130 But that happens to be the truth, 758 00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:54,200 I want to leave here. 759 00:41:54,219 --> 00:41:59,049 Now, I'm in a vehicle that is already falling apart on me. 760 00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:00,200 I feel that he got to a point 761 00:42:00,219 --> 00:42:02,139 where he didn't know any other way out. 762 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,089 That he had created this-- 763 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:06,140 this enormous belief system 764 00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,189 this, um, this structure, 765 00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:10,080 and this people that were 766 00:42:10,099 --> 00:42:12,209 totally, totally committed to him. 767 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:14,080 Personally. 768 00:42:14,099 --> 00:42:16,029 He was their god. 769 00:42:25,019 --> 00:42:27,179 We had a meeting in the top floor of the warehouse, 770 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,169 where we always had our meetings. 771 00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:32,190 SAWYER: Do had said 772 00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:34,200 he wants to hear from each individual 773 00:42:34,219 --> 00:42:39,179 if they have any reservations about suicide as an exit. 774 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,179 We would be taking a strong barbituric, 775 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,219 and that would, basically, put our vehicles to sleep. 776 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,010 Of the gentlest way he could think about doing it. 777 00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:52,140 There was some tear shed by some individuals, 778 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,199 definitely, who I think had some real difficulties, 779 00:42:55,219 --> 00:42:58,009 with contemplating it. 780 00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:59,080 And I said, wow, that's huge. 781 00:42:59,099 --> 00:43:01,019 I mean, Do even said, 782 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:02,179 he's only been here two weeks, 783 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,039 you know, and I'm talking about 784 00:43:04,059 --> 00:43:06,219 something incredibly drastic here. 785 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,060 At the same time, I said, well, 786 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,069 if that's something I have to consider down the line, 787 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:13,230 then that's something I have to consider, you know? 788 00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:16,150 I wasn't saying we are gonna go do this tomorrow. 789 00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:18,120 I said I had no reservations. 790 00:43:18,139 --> 00:43:20,109 I always felt right from the beginning now 791 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:22,010 I was gonna lose my vehicle. 792 00:43:22,030 --> 00:43:23,170 Even though that's what-- 793 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,070 not the way we would do the teaching in the beginning. 794 00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:31,000 BENJAMIN: This is a powerful moment. 795 00:43:31,019 --> 00:43:33,229 This was in mid 1990s, 796 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:36,230 some of them have been members since 1974. 797 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,230 20 years in a group. 798 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:43,180 20 years in a group, living, breathing and vibing 799 00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,149 the teachings, the doctrines, 800 00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:47,080 the practices of the group 801 00:43:47,099 --> 00:43:48,199 and being asked in that moment, 802 00:43:48,219 --> 00:43:51,019 "What do you think? Do you wanna exit with us?" 803 00:43:54,099 --> 00:43:57,109 After that meeting, five people eventually left. 804 00:43:57,130 --> 00:43:58,210 Including Sawyer. 805 00:44:00,219 --> 00:44:02,159 I left in September of '94. 806 00:44:02,179 --> 00:44:04,079 Not long after that. 807 00:44:04,099 --> 00:44:06,009 But not for that reason. 808 00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:21,090 I was invested in just being in the program, 809 00:44:21,110 --> 00:44:23,160 being, uh, with my teachers. 810 00:44:23,179 --> 00:44:25,229 The people that I recognize 811 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:27,190 that I believed were from outer space 812 00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:29,080 and from Next Level 813 00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:30,219 and that created the planet. 814 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:41,040 I was given so much. 815 00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:45,019 I was overseer of a crew. 816 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,169 Yeah, tomorrow is gonna be, uh, a zillion people... 817 00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:51,160 It's a little bit of an exaggeration for the camera. 818 00:44:51,179 --> 00:44:54,009 I was looked up to by some of the students. 819 00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:57,090 They kind of told me that. 820 00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:59,100 So when I-- when I fell, 821 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,099 I think a number of people were pretty shocked. 822 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,209 We refer to our lifestyle as a monastic lifestyle. 823 00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:07,100 On a sense, like a monastery. 824 00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:11,210 I was holding meetings where I was the primary speaker, 825 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,220 Telling people that we had to give up 826 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,130 all sexuality and everything 827 00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:18,020 to become a member of the next level. 828 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:20,169 And yet I was the hypocrite. 829 00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:27,100 I remember turning on MTV one time 830 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,209 and, boy, did that inflame me. 831 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:32,060 You know, just seeing women dancing around, you know, 832 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,199 half-clad, you know. 833 00:45:34,219 --> 00:45:36,129 I was off the wagon! 834 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,060 I was... 835 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,179 occasionally masturbating, 836 00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,169 I would have a thought 837 00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:44,200 and the thought was so powerful I couldn't-- 838 00:45:44,219 --> 00:45:46,009 I couldn't hold back. 839 00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:50,100 I didn't know how-- I didn't even-- 840 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,019 have the desire to ask for help. 841 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,029 It was that intense. 842 00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:57,070 But I was like, you know, like two people, 843 00:45:57,090 --> 00:46:00,010 I was like a schizophrenic person in-- in a sense. 844 00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:07,060 Well, see, I-- I didn't recognize... 845 00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:11,070 that I was breaking those procedures, 846 00:46:11,090 --> 00:46:13,130 it was leading up to something. 847 00:46:22,059 --> 00:46:24,029 So I was in the house where we were living, 848 00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:26,050 and I was walking up the staircase, 849 00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:28,110 and Do was walking down, 850 00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:29,160 and he said, 851 00:46:29,179 --> 00:46:31,109 "You've been distant." 852 00:46:32,179 --> 00:46:34,129 And, um... 853 00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:44,120 Sorry, it's just-- 854 00:46:44,139 --> 00:46:46,189 That, uh, he was-- 855 00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:51,220 Well, I told him what I was doing. 856 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,020 And, uh... 857 00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,079 Do, he said, 858 00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:57,199 "So, you already you have 859 00:46:57,219 --> 00:47:01,069 "the potential to become a really good member 860 00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:03,030 "of the Next Level 861 00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:05,190 and I don't want to throw you away." 862 00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:11,210 Because I wasn't influencing anyone else 863 00:47:11,230 --> 00:47:15,020 to get involved with sensuality. 864 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:18,129 He was willing to help me with it 865 00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:22,200 while I stay in the classroom. 866 00:47:24,099 --> 00:47:26,209 But, then, it didn't change me. 867 00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:30,210 I kept on giving in to masturbation. 868 00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:35,010 And I told Do, "I feel like I need to leave the group." 869 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:38,130 And so he got me a plane ticket and gave me $600. 870 00:47:43,179 --> 00:47:45,169 You know, it's-- it's-- 871 00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:46,230 It's really, uh... 872 00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:49,060 I'm really kind of a pitiful person, really. 873 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,079 But, then again, you know, I'm not the judge of myself. 874 00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:57,049 And, uh, maybe I was doing the best I could. 875 00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:59,090 [fire crackling] 876 00:48:00,170 --> 00:48:02,080 Whenever I come home at night, 877 00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:04,109 I look up at the heavens. 878 00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,189 People say to me frequently, 879 00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:13,100 "Oh, you were duped." 880 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:14,219 You know, "Why don't you go on with your life, 881 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,190 instead of, you know, continuing to think about this." 882 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:19,040 But, uh... 883 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,009 I still believe in all the teachings of Ti and Do. 884 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:24,210 And, uh, 885 00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:27,110 that if I continue to grow 886 00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:30,020 then I will... 887 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:34,019 potentially pass through the Heaven's Gate. 888 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:35,199 The birth canal. 889 00:48:49,110 --> 00:48:52,000 It's gotta be a UFO, everything is. 890 00:49:02,050 --> 00:49:04,030 Well, this comet is amazing because it's very bright 891 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:05,120 even to the naked eye. 892 00:49:05,139 --> 00:49:06,159 You really don't need a telescope. 893 00:49:06,179 --> 00:49:09,209 Oh, yes, I can, yeah. 894 00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:12,100 REPORTER: The Hale-Bopp comet 895 00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,039 is making its closest pass to Earth 896 00:49:14,059 --> 00:49:17,179 coming to withing 122 million miles of our planet. 897 00:49:21,019 --> 00:49:22,109 MAN: It's the brightest comet 898 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:25,120 that's passed through the Solar System since 1577. 899 00:49:25,139 --> 00:49:29,039 REPORTER: Comets, so different from anything else in the sky, 900 00:49:29,059 --> 00:49:33,039 that through history they've inspired and terrified. 901 00:49:33,059 --> 00:49:34,199 People used to go out and kill themselves, 902 00:49:34,219 --> 00:49:37,039 uh, getting scared that the comet will... 903 00:49:37,059 --> 00:49:38,209 you know, blow up or something. 904 00:49:42,059 --> 00:49:44,069 REPORTER: Now, as we get closer to the year 2000 905 00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:45,130 and the end of the millennium, 906 00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:47,000 more and more fringe groups 907 00:49:47,019 --> 00:49:48,199 are spreading Doomsday predictions 908 00:49:48,219 --> 00:49:51,029 of the end of the human species. 909 00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:53,110 RADIO HOST: Chuck Shramek in Houston, Texas, 910 00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:56,010 - Chuck, welcome to the program. - CHUCK: Thanks, Art. 911 00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:57,100 ART: A lot of people have felt 912 00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,089 something is going on with Hale-Bopp. 913 00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:00,210 CHUCK: Well, I have too. 914 00:50:00,230 --> 00:50:02,160 Wow. 915 00:50:02,179 --> 00:50:04,139 HOST: And now maybe you got it on film? 916 00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:08,119 CHUCK: Well, I photographed tonight, just showed up. 917 00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:11,119 This is a big thing. 918 00:50:11,139 --> 00:50:14,139 It appears to be several times larger than the Earth. 919 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,159 Maybe about 150,000 miles away from Hale-Bopp. 920 00:50:17,179 --> 00:50:20,199 RADIO HOST: What could it be? 921 00:50:20,219 --> 00:50:23,119 [chuckles] CHUCK: I have no idea. 922 00:50:28,030 --> 00:50:30,140 ♪ ♪ 923 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:37,050 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 924 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:39,080 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 925 00:50:39,099 --> 00:50:41,079 ♪ And it opened up my eyes ♪ 926 00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:42,169 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 927 00:50:42,190 --> 00:50:47,030 ♪ Life is demanding without understanding ♪ 928 00:50:47,050 --> 00:50:49,090 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 929 00:50:49,110 --> 00:50:51,090 ♪ And it opened up my eyes ♪ 930 00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:52,180 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 931 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,079 ♪ No one's gonna drag you up ♪ 932 00:50:54,099 --> 00:50:57,189 ♪ To get into the light where you belong ♪♪