1 00:00:02,002 --> 00:00:04,872 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:05,005 --> 00:00:11,011 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:14,915 - Hi, everyone, I'm Dan Abrams, and this is "Court Cam." 4 00:00:14,982 --> 00:00:17,084 - You should be ashamed of yourself. 5 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:19,353 - I want dude off my case. [spits] 6 00:00:19,419 --> 00:00:20,354 ♪ ♪ 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:21,722 - Got a runner. 8 00:00:21,822 --> 00:00:23,624 [people yelling] 9 00:00:23,757 --> 00:00:25,559 - Get out! 10 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:29,596 - This is not TV court. This is for real. 11 00:00:29,663 --> 00:00:35,969 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:39,006 - First up, we go to Albany, Oregon, for a hearing. 13 00:00:39,072 --> 00:00:41,675 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:43,744 30-year-old Christopher Jackson 15 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:46,480 has been charged with trespassing, resisting arrest, 16 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:48,882 and unlawful use of a weapon. 17 00:00:48,949 --> 00:00:50,784 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,287 Three months earlier, county officials say 19 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,856 Jackson was walking on a private road 20 00:00:55,989 --> 00:00:58,792 when a resident called the sheriff's office. 21 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,962 After Jackson refused to show ID to a county deputy 22 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,564 and walked away, things got physical. 23 00:01:04,665 --> 00:01:06,233 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:07,834 According to the sheriff's department, 25 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:11,872 Jackson and the deputy rolled down a 25-foot embankment. 26 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:13,507 And during the scuffle, 27 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,642 Jackson reached into his pocket, 28 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:18,612 where a box cutter was later found. 29 00:01:18,712 --> 00:01:22,482 Jackson was taken into custody and officially charged. 30 00:01:22,549 --> 00:01:25,319 ♪ ♪ 31 00:01:25,385 --> 00:01:28,188 Today, he appears in court with his attorney, 32 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:32,659 Edward Talmadge as well as his mother, Julia Stickney. 33 00:01:32,793 --> 00:01:36,029 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:36,129 --> 00:01:37,798 The hearing hasn't started yet, 35 00:01:37,864 --> 00:01:41,001 but Jackson makes himself at home. 36 00:01:41,068 --> 00:01:43,770 When the only court staffer present at the time, 37 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:45,672 a clerk seated off camera, 38 00:01:45,806 --> 00:01:48,875 asks Jackson to move his feet off the desk, 39 00:01:48,976 --> 00:01:53,213 Jackson responds by flipping her the double bird. 40 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:56,116 ♪ ♪ 41 00:01:56,216 --> 00:01:58,352 And when his mother tries to intervene, 42 00:01:58,452 --> 00:02:01,421 Jackson shoves her by the neck. 43 00:02:01,555 --> 00:02:03,256 Talmadge tries to calm his client, 44 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:06,526 but he's not having much luck either. 45 00:02:06,626 --> 00:02:08,595 Eventually, Jackson lowers his fingers. 46 00:02:08,662 --> 00:02:12,399 And things appear to settle down-- 47 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:14,434 until this happens. 48 00:02:14,534 --> 00:02:21,541 ♪ ♪ 49 00:02:23,844 --> 00:02:25,712 Jackson grabs a chair, 50 00:02:25,846 --> 00:02:29,483 but his mom stops him from doing anything with it. 51 00:02:29,549 --> 00:02:32,085 But he just grabs another one-- 52 00:02:32,185 --> 00:02:34,388 ♪ ♪ 53 00:02:34,454 --> 00:02:37,324 And charges at the clerk. 54 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:39,760 Talmadge quickly comes to the clerk's aid 55 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:42,195 as the group crashes under a desk, 56 00:02:42,262 --> 00:02:46,233 causing this clock to topple over. 57 00:02:46,299 --> 00:02:49,369 The clerk breaks free and motions to a deputy 58 00:02:49,469 --> 00:02:52,072 who's just entered the courtroom. 59 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:55,108 A second deputy arrives just as Jackson's mother, 60 00:02:55,242 --> 00:02:58,011 who appears frustrated, takes a seat. 61 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:00,547 ♪ ♪ 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,349 The deputies assist Talmadge 63 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:05,752 whose pinned Jackson underneath the desk. 64 00:03:05,819 --> 00:03:07,788 One of the deputies removes his taser 65 00:03:07,888 --> 00:03:11,191 and points it in Jackson's direction. 66 00:03:11,258 --> 00:03:13,527 But as Talmadge steps away, 67 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:16,296 it looks like the taser won't be necessary. 68 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:18,765 ♪ ♪ 69 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:22,202 When the deputies pull Jackson out from beneath the desk, 70 00:03:22,269 --> 00:03:25,405 they place him in cuffs and take him into custody. 71 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:27,741 ♪ ♪ 72 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,077 The court clerk and Jackson were both unharmed 73 00:03:30,143 --> 00:03:31,678 during the scuffle. 74 00:03:31,778 --> 00:03:35,048 But Talmadge, who no longer represents Jackson, 75 00:03:35,148 --> 00:03:37,617 suffered multiple scratches to his face 76 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:41,121 and was bitten on his arm and hand. 77 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:43,356 The deputies suffered bite marks. 78 00:03:43,423 --> 00:03:47,227 They were treated and released from a local hospital. 79 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,663 Jackson was later charged with assault, 80 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:52,365 menacing, and unlawful use of a weapon. 81 00:03:52,466 --> 00:03:55,602 Pled not guilty, but was convicted in court 82 00:03:55,669 --> 00:03:57,971 and sentenced to six years in prison. 83 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:01,508 As for his original charges, they're pending. 84 00:04:01,641 --> 00:04:06,880 ♪ ♪ 85 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:10,183 Next, we go to Ann Arbor, Michigan, for an arraignment. 86 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,953 ♪ ♪ 87 00:04:13,019 --> 00:04:15,822 19-year-old Eternity Jackson 88 00:04:15,956 --> 00:04:20,393 has been charged with driving without insurance. 89 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:23,263 Today, she appears before Judge Cedric Simpson 90 00:04:23,396 --> 00:04:25,699 to discuss next steps in the case. 91 00:04:25,832 --> 00:04:29,836 But first, the judge has a question for the defendant. 92 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:31,838 - All right, before we begin, who-- 93 00:04:31,905 --> 00:04:33,473 who escorted you to the court today? 94 00:04:35,242 --> 00:04:36,843 - Pardon? 95 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:39,112 - Who were you with? 96 00:04:39,246 --> 00:04:41,314 - Your grandfather? 97 00:04:41,414 --> 00:04:43,950 - Jackson's hearing was scheduled for 9:00 AM. 98 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:46,419 But according to court staff, 99 00:04:46,553 --> 00:04:48,455 when her case wasn't called on time, 100 00:04:48,588 --> 00:04:52,993 her grandfather wasn't happy and had some words with them. 101 00:04:53,093 --> 00:04:57,631 - All right, sir, I realize you wanted her case called. 102 00:04:57,731 --> 00:05:00,767 But I'll just give this admonition. 103 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:04,271 I call the cases in order as I have them by their blocks. 104 00:05:04,404 --> 00:05:07,674 We're not going to call this thing at 9 o'clock. 105 00:05:07,741 --> 00:05:13,346 And I don't appreciate ever my staff being yelled at or you-- 106 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,684 or you trying to send them back to pose a question to me. 107 00:05:23,557 --> 00:05:24,824 - Sir? 108 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:28,161 It isn't even your case. 109 00:05:28,261 --> 00:05:30,830 So have a seat. 110 00:05:30,897 --> 00:05:32,465 - Have a seat. 111 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:35,402 - Have a seat. 112 00:05:35,468 --> 00:05:38,271 ♪ ♪ 113 00:05:38,405 --> 00:05:40,941 I've given my admonition. 114 00:05:41,074 --> 00:05:43,543 That's the way that it will roll. 115 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:47,480 - Judge Simpson checks in with the prosecutor. 116 00:05:47,581 --> 00:05:49,749 - Ms. Reiser, you have something on this case. 117 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:51,351 - Yes, Your Honor. 118 00:05:51,418 --> 00:05:54,654 The public defender did provide me with proof 119 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:58,158 of now there is an insurance policy for six months. 120 00:05:58,225 --> 00:06:00,794 Given that pre-arraignment, 121 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:04,397 I would move to dismiss the charge. 122 00:06:04,464 --> 00:06:07,701 - Ms. Jackson, you have any objection to dismissal? 123 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:09,870 ♪ ♪ 124 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:11,438 - Case is dismissed. 125 00:06:11,538 --> 00:06:13,506 Thank you, ma'am. 126 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,843 - After Jackson and her grandfather exit the courtroom 127 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:20,080 Judge Simpson takes a moment with his staff. 128 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:23,717 - You know, 129 00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:26,753 how many people have I taken into custody today? 130 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:28,588 - One. - Just one? 131 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:31,524 - Yeah. - There was almost two. 132 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:34,160 And I tried so hard. 133 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:38,765 [chuckles] 134 00:06:38,865 --> 00:06:40,800 - Good job, sir. [laughs] 135 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:41,902 ♪ ♪ 136 00:06:45,538 --> 00:06:47,574 - Next, we head to Eureka, Kansas, 137 00:06:47,674 --> 00:06:49,809 for a preliminary hearing. 138 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:51,811 ♪ ♪ 139 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:55,081 33-year-old Bailey Cargile has been charged 140 00:06:55,148 --> 00:06:58,018 with aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer, 141 00:06:58,151 --> 00:07:00,487 fleeing an officer, possession of opiates, 142 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:03,356 driving under the influence, and other charges. 143 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,425 ♪ ♪ 144 00:07:05,558 --> 00:07:08,595 A month earlier, Cargile was driving with her boyfriend 145 00:07:08,662 --> 00:07:10,630 when police say they attempted to pull her over 146 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:13,366 for driving recklessly. [sirens wailing] 147 00:07:13,466 --> 00:07:15,802 Police say that's when Cargile slammed on her brakes, 148 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:18,438 causing the officer to rear-end her vehicle. 149 00:07:18,505 --> 00:07:20,073 [tires screech] 150 00:07:20,206 --> 00:07:23,243 Then officers say she got out of the car and fled the scene. 151 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:27,080 But after a brief foot chase, Cargile was apprehended. 152 00:07:27,147 --> 00:07:29,716 Inside the vehicle, police say they found 153 00:07:29,816 --> 00:07:32,419 cocaine and methamphetamine. 154 00:07:32,552 --> 00:07:35,722 Cargile and her boyfriend, 25-year-old Owen Solomon, 155 00:07:35,822 --> 00:07:37,390 were both arrested. 156 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:40,393 Solomon, who was hit with four drug-related charges, 157 00:07:40,493 --> 00:07:44,064 was released on $12,500 bond, 158 00:07:44,197 --> 00:07:48,635 while Cargile was held on a $45,000 bond. 159 00:07:48,735 --> 00:07:50,603 ♪ ♪ 160 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:53,506 Today, Cargile appears from the county jail 161 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,275 before Judge Phyllis Webster 162 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,310 to discuss next steps in the case. 163 00:07:57,444 --> 00:08:00,547 Solomon is also on the call for his case. 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,717 The county prosecutor is Jill Gillett. 165 00:08:03,783 --> 00:08:07,020 Cargile's represented by attorney Richard Paugh. 166 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:09,589 - Mr. Paugh, you said you wanted to be heard on bond. 167 00:08:09,689 --> 00:08:10,790 - Yes, Your Honor. 168 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:14,260 Now, she's being held on a $45,000 bond. 169 00:08:14,394 --> 00:08:17,831 We would ask for a $25,000 cash or surety bond. 170 00:08:17,897 --> 00:08:20,500 Judge, also, there is a no-contact order 171 00:08:20,633 --> 00:08:23,236 with her boyfriend. 172 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:25,805 They've been together five years. 173 00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:28,808 And I would ask that the no-contact order 174 00:08:28,908 --> 00:08:30,310 be lifted, as well. 175 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:32,479 - Ms. Gillett, what do you-- 176 00:08:32,545 --> 00:08:35,515 what do you have to say about this request? 177 00:08:35,615 --> 00:08:40,687 - Judge, she had four failures to appear on her record 178 00:08:40,787 --> 00:08:42,522 and has run twice. 179 00:08:42,622 --> 00:08:47,594 So I think $45,000 cash surety is appropriate for the charges. 180 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:49,662 - Judge Webster has heard enough 181 00:08:49,796 --> 00:08:51,765 and is ready to make a ruling. 182 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:55,335 - I appreciate your efforts on behalf of your client, Counsel, 183 00:08:55,435 --> 00:08:59,639 but the modification request is denied at this time. 184 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:02,108 - Including the no-contact order, Judge? 185 00:09:02,242 --> 00:09:04,411 - Yes. - OK, thank you. 186 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:07,347 - Before Cargile returns to jail, 187 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,683 she makes a subtle gesture towards the camera. 188 00:09:10,784 --> 00:09:12,552 - [no audible speech] 189 00:09:12,619 --> 00:09:14,754 - Who are you telling you love? 190 00:09:14,821 --> 00:09:16,990 - And the judge takes notice. 191 00:09:17,056 --> 00:09:20,060 - Did she just violate the court's order of no contact? 192 00:09:20,193 --> 00:09:21,795 Sit back down. 193 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:27,300 - It appears Cargile mouthed "I love you" twice-- 194 00:09:27,434 --> 00:09:29,769 perhaps in the direction of her boyfriend. 195 00:09:29,869 --> 00:09:32,672 - Who were you just mouthing "I love you" to? 196 00:09:32,806 --> 00:09:35,742 - No, I was just saying that I'm about ready to go. 197 00:09:35,875 --> 00:09:37,076 - No-- - Like, I'm about done. 198 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:39,746 - Who's there? Ma'am, I can replay the tape. 199 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:41,748 - OK. - You said, "I love you." 200 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:43,683 Who are you speaking to? 201 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:47,320 - I love my lawyer. 202 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:49,022 - Who do you love? Who did you-- 203 00:09:49,155 --> 00:09:52,258 - My lawyer, like, for having my back today. 204 00:09:52,392 --> 00:09:54,794 - No, come on. - Like, I like him. 205 00:09:54,894 --> 00:09:56,896 - OK, so you love your attorney. 206 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:58,465 You like your attorney. - Yes. 207 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:00,967 - And you are mouthing to your attorney, to Mr. Paugh, 208 00:10:01,034 --> 00:10:02,869 "I love you." [playful whistle] 209 00:10:03,002 --> 00:10:07,006 - I was actually saying that to the guard as I got up. 210 00:10:07,073 --> 00:10:10,110 - You were saying it towards the camera as you got up. 211 00:10:10,243 --> 00:10:12,745 I was like-- - OK, stop. 212 00:10:16,716 --> 00:10:18,551 - Judge, he's on here. 213 00:10:18,651 --> 00:10:23,957 - All right, is Owen Solomon your boyfriend of five years? 214 00:10:24,023 --> 00:10:25,425 - Yes, Your Honor, he is. 215 00:10:25,558 --> 00:10:27,594 - And you didn't know he was on here? 216 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:30,063 - I--I can't see. 217 00:10:30,196 --> 00:10:32,232 There's a lot of different people up on the screen. 218 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:33,833 And it was-- you were the big one. 219 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:36,369 [playful bounce] 220 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:40,039 I was literally talking to the CO. 221 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:42,041 - No, I don't buy that. 222 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:43,343 You were looking at the screen. 223 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:45,512 Your mouthing was very clear. 224 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:47,747 See, this is why I can't trust you 225 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:51,584 to have a bond modification. 226 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,620 You just burnt some serious bridges 227 00:10:53,753 --> 00:10:56,589 on credibility with the court 228 00:10:56,689 --> 00:10:58,358 because you just showed me 229 00:10:58,424 --> 00:11:00,426 you don't have respect for the court. 230 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,229 You don't have respect for your attorney, 231 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:05,798 even though you claim he's the one you love. 232 00:11:05,865 --> 00:11:08,134 In any event, go ahead and leave. 233 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:10,069 Go into jail now. And just-- 234 00:11:10,203 --> 00:11:12,071 - Thank you, Your Honor. 235 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:14,707 ♪ ♪ 236 00:11:14,841 --> 00:11:16,809 - All right. 237 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:20,280 - Cargile was later released on her $45,000 bond 238 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:22,348 and has yet to enter a plea. 239 00:11:22,482 --> 00:11:26,953 If found guilty, she's facing up to 33 years in prison. 240 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:30,757 As for Solomon, he was charged with possession of narcotics, 241 00:11:30,823 --> 00:11:33,760 possession with intent to use drug paraphernalia, 242 00:11:33,826 --> 00:11:36,162 and other drug-related charges. 243 00:11:36,262 --> 00:11:39,232 If found guilty, he's facing up to 11 1/2 years 244 00:11:39,299 --> 00:11:41,067 in prison. 245 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,837 Both Cargile and Solomon's cases are pending. 246 00:11:44,904 --> 00:11:46,206 ♪ ♪ 247 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:52,045 - Next, we go to Painesville, Ohio, 248 00:11:52,111 --> 00:11:54,914 for a probation violation hearing. 249 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:56,749 ♪ ♪ 250 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,953 Three years earlier, 40-year-old Brian Kochis 251 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:02,488 was convicted of aggravated drug trafficking 252 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:04,591 and possession of cocaine. 253 00:12:04,691 --> 00:12:07,060 ♪ ♪ 254 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:09,596 He was initially sentenced to 30 months in prison. 255 00:12:09,696 --> 00:12:12,098 But after serving just eight months, 256 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:14,634 he was placed on probation for five years 257 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,236 with the condition he undergo regular 258 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:19,038 drug and alcohol testing. 259 00:12:19,105 --> 00:12:22,442 But when Kochis overdosed after taking a pill laced with 260 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:25,712 fentanyl and then admitted to using methamphetamine, 261 00:12:25,845 --> 00:12:28,681 he was taken back into custody. 262 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,484 Today, he appears before Judge John O'Donnell 263 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:34,087 to see if his probation will be revoked. 264 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:37,857 Kochis is represented by attorney James Matthews. 265 00:12:37,991 --> 00:12:39,993 - Mr. Kochis would like to waive his right to both 266 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:41,995 a probable cause and final hearing 267 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:45,164 and enter a plea of guilty to the violations, Your Honor. 268 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:48,067 - Is that what you want to do? - Yes. 269 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:49,402 - All right, I'll accept your guilty plea 270 00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:50,637 and find you guilty. 271 00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:52,572 So what's-- what's going on here? 272 00:12:52,672 --> 00:12:54,207 - Well, I screwed up. 273 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:56,042 I don't-- 274 00:12:56,142 --> 00:12:58,478 - Where were you getting the meth? 275 00:12:58,544 --> 00:13:00,647 - Couple of my friends that I know. 276 00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:03,916 - OK, who were you getting the meth from? 277 00:13:03,983 --> 00:13:05,018 - This friend that I know, [bleep]. 278 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:06,352 - So listen-- - My friend [bleep]. 279 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:07,887 - So listen. Hold on. 280 00:13:07,987 --> 00:13:09,722 Hold on, OK? 281 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:13,459 This seems to be the way you like to deal with things. 282 00:13:13,593 --> 00:13:15,228 And now you're not telling me the truth. 283 00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:16,396 - I am. - Now wait a minute! 284 00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:18,665 I'm not done yet. 285 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:23,836 You were here on February 2 of 2022. 286 00:13:23,903 --> 00:13:25,705 And I sent you to prison for 30 months. 287 00:13:25,838 --> 00:13:27,473 - Yes. 288 00:13:27,607 --> 00:13:31,277 - You were here on October 27 of '22. 289 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:32,745 And I let you out of prison 290 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,815 and put you on community control for five years. 291 00:13:35,915 --> 00:13:39,152 When you started testing positive for meth 292 00:13:39,252 --> 00:13:40,953 at the probation department, 293 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:43,222 you told them it was your Wellbutrin 294 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:45,058 that was making you test positive. 295 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:48,194 - At first-- - And you kept that up. 296 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:49,595 And you kept that up. 297 00:13:49,696 --> 00:13:52,398 And you kept that up until the result 298 00:13:52,465 --> 00:13:55,435 went off the chart on a test, 299 00:13:55,568 --> 00:13:58,271 and then you finally admitted it. 300 00:13:58,404 --> 00:14:00,039 Right? - Yes. 301 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:03,176 - Up until then, you weren't admitting it, right? 302 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:06,145 You figure out what you want to do, 303 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:07,814 how you want to live your life. 304 00:14:07,914 --> 00:14:10,316 Talk to Mr. Matthews. 305 00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:12,352 - After a brief recess, 306 00:14:12,452 --> 00:14:15,354 Kochis tries to explain his overdose. 307 00:14:15,421 --> 00:14:18,257 - That pill, I had never taken another pill 308 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:19,659 that I don't know what it is. 309 00:14:19,792 --> 00:14:20,927 Again, that was-- - Why did you take it? 310 00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,195 - That was horrible. 311 00:14:22,261 --> 00:14:24,597 Like, I thought it was just a regular Percocet. 312 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:25,965 And my back was kind of hurting. 313 00:14:26,065 --> 00:14:27,800 I was like, eh. 314 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,202 I know I shouldn't have done it. 315 00:14:29,268 --> 00:14:30,870 But that was the most-- 316 00:14:31,003 --> 00:14:33,439 the worst thing I've ever been through. 317 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:35,041 - Whose pill was that? 318 00:14:35,141 --> 00:14:37,477 - This girl I met on Facebook Dating. 319 00:14:37,543 --> 00:14:39,011 - OK. 320 00:14:39,112 --> 00:14:41,748 And you just decided to take-- what, she gave you a pill? 321 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,516 - She left it there. 322 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:45,184 She was at my house, and then she left. 323 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,953 And then I noticed it was sitting there. 324 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,122 And I don't even know why it was left. 325 00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:50,990 Like, she must have forgot it or something, 326 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:55,561 or fell out of her purse or something. 327 00:14:55,628 --> 00:14:59,198 - You ever hear of fentanyl showing up 328 00:14:59,265 --> 00:15:04,637 in otherwise what is purported to be prescription medication? 329 00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,005 - Yeah, I've heard of it. 330 00:15:06,072 --> 00:15:07,807 - You've heard of that, but you took it anyway. 331 00:15:07,874 --> 00:15:10,276 - Well, I didn't think it was. I mean, I thought-- 332 00:15:10,343 --> 00:15:11,911 - Well, how did you know it wasn't? 333 00:15:12,044 --> 00:15:13,513 - I didn't. - You didn't. 334 00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:15,281 - I didn't. - OK. 335 00:15:15,381 --> 00:15:16,916 - I didn't. 336 00:15:17,016 --> 00:15:20,720 - Why don't you stop being so selfish? 337 00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:23,356 This whole thing is about you being selfish. 338 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:24,991 Knock it off. 339 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,059 Why don't you grow up? 340 00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:30,830 You're either going to stop acting like a selfish brat, 341 00:15:30,897 --> 00:15:33,633 or you're going to be dead again from the next thing. 342 00:15:33,699 --> 00:15:37,003 You can shake your head no, but you're sitting here. 343 00:15:37,069 --> 00:15:39,872 I sent you to prison. I let you out. 344 00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:45,244 And you're sitting here again because you're a selfish brat. 345 00:15:45,311 --> 00:15:47,880 - I don't want to do it no more, though. 346 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:51,417 - Then don't do it no more. - I'm not going to. 347 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:55,154 - If you don't want to do it, then don't do it. 348 00:15:55,254 --> 00:15:57,190 ♪ ♪ 349 00:15:57,256 --> 00:16:00,259 - The judge decides to give Kochis another chance, 350 00:16:00,393 --> 00:16:02,562 allowing him to remain on probation 351 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:04,630 as long as he stays clean. 352 00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:06,632 But just a month later, 353 00:16:06,699 --> 00:16:11,037 Kochis violated his probation by testing positive again. 354 00:16:11,103 --> 00:16:13,806 He was sentenced to 35 days in jail 355 00:16:13,873 --> 00:16:17,810 with credit for 26 days' time served. 356 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:19,445 ♪ ♪ 357 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:25,985 - Next, we're in Detroit, Michigan, for an arraignment. 358 00:16:26,118 --> 00:16:28,554 ♪ ♪ 359 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:31,958 36-year-old Juna Lee-Edward Green 360 00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:34,994 has been charged with DWI, speeding, 361 00:16:35,094 --> 00:16:36,996 driving with a suspended license, 362 00:16:37,096 --> 00:16:40,032 and several other charges. 363 00:16:40,132 --> 00:16:41,634 ♪ ♪ 364 00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,370 Today, Green appears before Judge Shawn Perkins 365 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:47,673 to find out if he'll be offered bond. 366 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:50,042 - Oh, that's Berry Junior on behalf 367 00:16:50,109 --> 00:16:51,844 of the defendant, Your Honor. 368 00:16:57,483 --> 00:17:00,553 - $500 personal bond. 369 00:17:00,653 --> 00:17:02,989 Going to be testing once a week. 370 00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:04,657 - For what? 371 00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:07,260 - Alcohol. 372 00:17:07,393 --> 00:17:09,996 I'm going to have you testing one time per week. 373 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:12,231 I'll have you no leaving the state 374 00:17:12,331 --> 00:17:14,267 without the court's permission. 375 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,205 And no drinking during the pendency of this case. 376 00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:21,374 Let's get probation in here now. 377 00:17:21,474 --> 00:17:23,709 - What is the probation for? 378 00:17:23,843 --> 00:17:26,546 - So they can assist in you testing 379 00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:29,282 and make sure that you're testing. 380 00:17:29,348 --> 00:17:31,884 - I'm not an alcoholic. - Listen, I don't-- 381 00:17:31,984 --> 00:17:35,588 I didn't--I didn't say you were an alcoholic. 382 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:37,223 It's a procedure, right? 383 00:17:37,356 --> 00:17:39,558 When I see this charge, everybody's got to go through 384 00:17:39,625 --> 00:17:41,961 the same procedure. 385 00:17:42,028 --> 00:17:44,063 - Joining the hearing is probation officer 386 00:17:44,196 --> 00:17:46,766 Jennifer O'Driscoll, who spoke with Green 387 00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:49,435 in a breakout room earlier that day. 388 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:50,803 - I did speak with the defendant 389 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:53,839 regarding the testing at ATS. 390 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:57,209 I did tell him that he would need to report tomorrow. 391 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,615 - Wait a minute, please. 392 00:18:02,715 --> 00:18:06,919 Everybody's going to be orderly in here, all right? 393 00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:09,155 - Green, who's turned his camera off, 394 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:11,991 is claiming he's unable to get to the testing site 395 00:18:12,058 --> 00:18:14,126 on the West Side of Detroit. 396 00:18:14,226 --> 00:18:16,062 - OK, Mr. Green. 397 00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:19,265 Turn your camera on, please, because I want you to-- 398 00:18:19,398 --> 00:18:20,766 I want to see. 399 00:18:20,866 --> 00:18:23,469 Take your hat off, please. 400 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:25,471 I want to see you in the-- 401 00:18:25,604 --> 00:18:26,706 stop. 402 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:30,576 Stop moving, please. Please. 403 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:32,044 How old are you? 404 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,813 - 36. 405 00:18:33,913 --> 00:18:35,848 - You're 36 years old. 406 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:38,684 You're born and raised in the city of Detroit. 407 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:41,354 And you're telling the court that you don't know 408 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,155 how to get around on the West Side. 409 00:18:43,255 --> 00:18:44,991 - Correct. 410 00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:47,460 - I'm not-- I'm not buying that. 411 00:18:47,593 --> 00:18:50,796 I need to have testing this week. 412 00:18:50,863 --> 00:18:53,833 And I'm not--I'm not buying the fact that you can't get there 413 00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:56,435 by 8 o'clock tomorrow. 414 00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:59,672 - How can you not and I don't know where I'm going, sir? 415 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,074 I mean, I could call them on my phone. 416 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:03,409 - Yes. Yes. 417 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:05,277 Yes, sir, you could figure it out. 418 00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,079 You're 36 years old. 419 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,048 You're a grown man. 420 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,953 - You're moving around pretty good on the camera. 421 00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:15,488 - 'Cause my back is hurting. 422 00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:18,257 I can't sit down and stand up, due to my injury, too long. 423 00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:20,626 - So, listen, I'm not going to-- 424 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,928 I want you testing tomorrow. 425 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:25,564 And--and you're going to have to figure it out. 426 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:27,066 - You expect me to walk tomorrow, 427 00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,001 because I don't have no money. [tape whirs] 428 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:33,873 - I'm done. You make your own decisions. 429 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,776 And you do what you do. I'm going to do my job. 430 00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:40,212 The trial date is April the 29 at 9:00 AM. 431 00:19:40,312 --> 00:19:45,117 Tomorrow, you need to have testing done by 8:00 PM. 432 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:46,719 - So I just have to beat you guys. 433 00:19:46,786 --> 00:19:47,820 That's the only way. 434 00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:49,355 It's me against the world out here. 435 00:19:49,455 --> 00:19:51,757 - Don't put me in it, because I didn't-- 436 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:53,192 I didn't give you the ticket. 437 00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:56,662 And I'm just here doing what I do in my job, all right? 438 00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:58,964 ♪ ♪ 439 00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:01,600 - Green did not show up for testing the next day. 440 00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:04,904 But he did appear the day after that. 441 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:06,872 His test came back negative. 442 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:08,574 And his attorney informed the judge 443 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:10,076 that getting to the testing site 444 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,913 on the West Side of Detroit was no longer an issue. 445 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:16,482 Green pled not guilty to the charges, 446 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:18,551 and his case is pending. 447 00:20:18,617 --> 00:20:20,553 ♪ ♪ 448 00:20:20,619 --> 00:20:21,987 That's it for this edition of "Court Cam." 449 00:20:22,121 --> 00:20:24,523 I'm Dan Abrams. 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