1 00:00:02,002 --> 00:00:04,872 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:05,005 --> 00:00:11,011 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:14,915 - Hi, everyone, I'm Dan Abrams, and this is "Court Cam." 4 00:00:14,982 --> 00:00:17,084 - You should be ashamed of yourself. 5 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:19,353 - I want dude off my case. [spits] 6 00:00:19,419 --> 00:00:20,354 ♪ ♪ 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:21,722 - Got a runner. 8 00:00:21,822 --> 00:00:23,624 [people yelling] 9 00:00:23,757 --> 00:00:24,791 - Get out! 10 00:00:24,892 --> 00:00:28,795 - This is not TV court. This is for real. 11 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:34,635 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:34,735 --> 00:00:36,436 - First up, we're in Paducah, Kentucky, 13 00:00:36,503 --> 00:00:38,505 for a protective order hearing. 14 00:00:38,639 --> 00:00:40,874 ♪ ♪ 15 00:00:40,941 --> 00:00:42,910 24-year-old Luke McClain 16 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,312 has been charged with fourth-degree assault 17 00:00:45,445 --> 00:00:48,248 with domestic violence and resisting arrest. 18 00:00:48,348 --> 00:00:51,018 The alleged victim? His own mother. 19 00:00:51,151 --> 00:00:53,120 ♪ ♪ 20 00:00:53,186 --> 00:00:55,956 He's being held on $10,000 bond. 21 00:00:56,023 --> 00:00:58,792 And today, McClain's mother, Penny Lumley, 22 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,028 is asking Judge Deanna Henschel 23 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:03,564 for a personal protection order against him. 24 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,632 - Mrs. Lumley, what is the relationship 25 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:07,200 between you and Luke? 26 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:13,073 - You're asking that there be no contact? 27 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:16,310 - At least six months to a year so he can get help. 28 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:17,611 - OK. 29 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:19,046 ♪ ♪ 30 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:21,782 So I'm going to order that you cannot have any contact 31 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:24,718 with your mother while this order is in effect, 32 00:01:24,785 --> 00:01:26,687 and I'll put it in effect for a year. 33 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:29,590 And I'm hearing from your mom that she wants you to get help, 34 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:32,993 and so if you do, and this-- she can be protected, 35 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:37,364 then we can-- we can amend this order. 36 00:01:45,005 --> 00:01:47,274 - Uh-huh. - We just can't do it. 37 00:01:47,374 --> 00:01:50,544 There was too much property damage this time and-- 38 00:01:50,677 --> 00:01:51,845 - I honestly don't care. 39 00:01:51,912 --> 00:01:53,914 I don't have any intention of ever having 40 00:01:54,014 --> 00:01:56,717 a relationship with my mother. 41 00:01:56,850 --> 00:01:59,319 - He broke $3,000 worth of stuff. 42 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:04,591 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:04,691 --> 00:02:08,462 - The bailiff, Charles Holt, approaches the defendant. 44 00:02:08,595 --> 00:02:09,630 - I'm not her, OK? - You don't scare me. 45 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:10,897 - I'm not trying to scare you. 46 00:02:11,031 --> 00:02:12,432 I'm trying to tell you you in the courtroom. 47 00:02:12,532 --> 00:02:14,301 Act like you're in a courtroom. - [bleep] you! 48 00:02:14,434 --> 00:02:16,837 - Let's go. Come on. Let's go. Come on. 49 00:02:16,937 --> 00:02:20,841 - Get the [bleep] off me. - Get up. Get up. Get up. 50 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:23,710 - Bailiff Holt seems to have things under control. 51 00:02:23,844 --> 00:02:25,512 Moments later... 52 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:26,513 ♪ ♪ 53 00:02:26,646 --> 00:02:27,881 - [bleep]. 54 00:02:27,948 --> 00:02:30,384 ♪ ♪ 55 00:02:30,517 --> 00:02:35,389 - Luke, stop! - [bleep]. 56 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:37,391 - McClain sends the bailiff to the ground 57 00:02:37,491 --> 00:02:39,926 and is quickly on top of him 58 00:02:40,027 --> 00:02:43,363 when a bystander and legal aid lawyer 59 00:02:43,463 --> 00:02:46,466 John Straub stepped in to help and restrain him. 60 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,567 ♪ ♪ 61 00:02:47,668 --> 00:02:51,238 - [bleep]. I'll kill you later! 62 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:52,706 - Hey. 63 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:57,411 ♪ ♪ 64 00:02:57,511 --> 00:02:58,879 - Stop, Luke. 65 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:00,714 You're just making this worse. 66 00:03:00,781 --> 00:03:02,249 ♪ ♪ 67 00:03:02,349 --> 00:03:05,719 - [bleep] you. Get the [bleep] off of me. 68 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:07,721 ♪ ♪ 69 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:09,389 Get off of me! 70 00:03:09,489 --> 00:03:11,258 ♪ ♪ 71 00:03:11,391 --> 00:03:13,794 Get off the-- [bleep] off me! 72 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,696 - A court deputy arrives to give Holt a hand. 73 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:18,298 - [grunts] - Stop that. 74 00:03:18,432 --> 00:03:19,700 Child-- 75 00:03:31,311 --> 00:03:34,347 - Breathe, please. - Is he OK? 76 00:03:34,481 --> 00:03:36,716 - The bailiff and the bystander 77 00:03:36,817 --> 00:03:39,319 suffered minor injuries in the skirmish. 78 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:43,056 As for McClain, he was charged with disorderly conduct, 79 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:46,026 menacing, and third-degree assault for his actions 80 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:47,494 in court that day. 81 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:50,464 He has yet to enter a plea on any of his charges. 82 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:52,632 Both of these cases are pending. 83 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:58,972 ♪ ♪ 84 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,074 Next, we're in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 85 00:04:01,141 --> 00:04:03,243 for a sentencing hearing. 86 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:05,011 ♪ ♪ 87 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:07,581 65-year-old Garry Artman has been convicted 88 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:09,750 of murder, felony murder, 89 00:04:09,883 --> 00:04:13,754 first-degree criminal sexual conduct. 90 00:04:13,854 --> 00:04:15,188 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:15,288 --> 00:04:18,058 27 years earlier, police say a delivery driver 92 00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:20,827 found the body of 29-year-old Sharon Hammack 93 00:04:20,894 --> 00:04:22,028 on the side of a road 94 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:24,664 near Division Avenue in Grand Rapids. 95 00:04:24,798 --> 00:04:28,368 The pregnant mother of two was found hogtied 96 00:04:28,468 --> 00:04:30,070 and wrapped in a blanket. 97 00:04:30,203 --> 00:04:33,206 She'd been sexually assaulted, stabbed, 98 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:35,475 and strangled to death. 99 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:37,677 At the time, Sharon was one of 12 100 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:40,680 unsolved murders of young women in the area, 101 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:42,949 many of them sex workers. 102 00:04:43,083 --> 00:04:47,120 In Sharon's case, police had no viable leads, 103 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:50,190 and for decades, the case went cold. 104 00:04:50,257 --> 00:04:52,392 But in 2019, through the advancement 105 00:04:52,459 --> 00:04:54,227 of forensic genealogy, 106 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:56,463 investigators were able to match DNA 107 00:04:56,596 --> 00:04:58,832 found on Sharon to Artman, 108 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:01,034 a long-haul trucker who lived 109 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:04,171 just 8 miles from the crime scene. 110 00:05:04,271 --> 00:05:07,474 Artman had previously been convicted of sexual assault 111 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:11,745 and for threatening to kill two 16-year-old girls. 112 00:05:11,878 --> 00:05:14,981 He was arrested in Mississippi and officially charged 113 00:05:15,115 --> 00:05:16,716 with Sharon's death. 114 00:05:16,783 --> 00:05:20,220 Artman pled not guilty, and the case went to trial. 115 00:05:20,353 --> 00:05:24,724 Jury just took 30 minutes to find him guilty. 116 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:28,028 Today, Artman appears in court for sentencing, 117 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:31,631 but first, Sharon's sisters Terri Navitskas 118 00:05:31,731 --> 00:05:34,434 and Tina DeYoung have something to say 119 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:36,369 to the defendant. 120 00:05:36,469 --> 00:05:38,205 - You're not even a person. 121 00:05:38,271 --> 00:05:41,241 You killed my sister and my nephew 122 00:05:41,308 --> 00:05:43,310 that was inside of her body. 123 00:05:43,443 --> 00:05:44,444 'Cause you're not even a person. 124 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:45,679 You're not a man. 125 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:49,316 You're not nothing but a piece of garbage. 126 00:05:49,382 --> 00:05:50,951 ♪ ♪ 127 00:05:51,051 --> 00:05:54,454 And I hope you get everything that's coming to you 128 00:05:54,588 --> 00:05:57,057 for the rest of your life. 129 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,392 - When Artman is given a chance to speak, 130 00:05:59,492 --> 00:06:03,597 he offers no apology or admission of guilt. 131 00:06:03,663 --> 00:06:05,031 - You detectives right there-- 132 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:07,934 excuse my language-- are [bleep] idiots. 133 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:09,302 Why? 134 00:06:09,436 --> 00:06:13,640 Because you keep looking at me, and I didn't do it. 135 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,108 ♪ ♪ 136 00:06:15,242 --> 00:06:16,943 Why don't you go back and start from the beginning 137 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:21,181 and look and actually do your job, 138 00:06:21,314 --> 00:06:24,818 and maybe you'll find out who did it? 139 00:06:24,951 --> 00:06:26,820 Yeah, no [bleep]. 140 00:06:26,953 --> 00:06:30,657 ♪ ♪ 141 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:35,362 - Thank you for your time, Your Honor. 142 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:36,963 For the murder of Sharon Hammack, 143 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:39,032 Artman was sentenced to life in prison 144 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:41,635 with no chance of parole. 145 00:06:41,701 --> 00:06:44,037 And while he was interviewed but never charged 146 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:46,873 for any other murders near Grand Rapids, 147 00:06:47,007 --> 00:06:49,209 Artman was later charged with murder 148 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:52,746 in the 2006 killing of a sex worker in Maryland. 149 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:55,715 His DNA was found on the victim. 150 00:06:55,815 --> 00:06:57,751 But that case never went to trial 151 00:06:57,817 --> 00:07:00,487 since Artman died of natural causes 152 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:02,656 just months after being sent to prison. 153 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:08,228 ♪ ♪ 154 00:07:08,228 --> 00:07:10,697 - Next, we go to Reno, Nevada, for an arraignment. 155 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:13,033 ♪ ♪ 156 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,635 28-year-old Max Seve has been charged 157 00:07:15,735 --> 00:07:17,103 with trespassing. 158 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:19,406 ♪ ♪ 159 00:07:19,472 --> 00:07:21,207 A day earlier, Seve was arrested 160 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:23,610 for trespassing at a local casino. 161 00:07:23,710 --> 00:07:25,045 According to police reports, 162 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:27,614 it was his second trespassing charge 163 00:07:27,714 --> 00:07:31,151 at the same location in two months. 164 00:07:31,217 --> 00:07:33,353 Seve was found guilty in the first case, 165 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:36,523 and a judge sentenced him to 130 days in jail, 166 00:07:36,623 --> 00:07:39,559 which was suspended, provided he stay away 167 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:42,362 from the casino and not get arrested again. 168 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:43,697 ♪ ♪ 169 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:46,232 Today, Seve appears from the county jail 170 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:49,002 before Judge Christopher Hazlett-Stevens 171 00:07:49,069 --> 00:07:51,037 to enter a plea in his new case 172 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:53,573 and to see if his suspended sentence 173 00:07:53,673 --> 00:07:55,008 will be revoked. 174 00:07:55,075 --> 00:07:57,877 He's represented by attorney Roberto Fuentes. 175 00:07:57,978 --> 00:07:59,212 - In this case, sir, you were charged 176 00:07:59,312 --> 00:08:00,680 with a crime of trespassing. 177 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:02,315 This was alleged to have occurred 178 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:05,151 at the Cal Neva Casino. Do you understand that charge? 179 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:06,686 - Yes. 180 00:08:06,786 --> 00:08:09,055 - How do you wish to plead to that charge, Mr. Seve? 181 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:12,258 - Can I respond back before I plead to anything, Your Honor? 182 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:13,960 - Mr. Fuentes, do you know what he's going to say, 183 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:16,062 or do you want-- 184 00:08:16,196 --> 00:08:17,864 - Mr. Seve, hang on. 185 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:31,244 ♪ ♪ 186 00:08:33,546 --> 00:08:35,348 ♪ ♪ 187 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,563 - Mr. Seve, please stop. Please stop. 188 00:08:50,663 --> 00:08:53,032 Mr. Fuentes, do you know what he's trying to do? 189 00:08:53,099 --> 00:08:54,934 - Your Honor, at one point, he was going to admit. 190 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:56,469 I told him about the revocation, 191 00:08:56,603 --> 00:08:59,239 and then he became extremely disrespectful. 192 00:08:59,305 --> 00:09:00,840 ♪ ♪ 193 00:09:00,907 --> 00:09:03,309 And the conversation didn't get much further after that. 194 00:09:03,443 --> 00:09:05,278 - OK, I got you. Thank you. All right. 195 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:08,148 So, Mr. Seve, my question to you is, 196 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:09,749 how do you wish to plead to your new charge 197 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,751 of trespassing? 198 00:09:14,187 --> 00:09:15,588 - I'll accept your not guilty plea. 199 00:09:15,688 --> 00:09:16,823 We're going to set this for trial. 200 00:09:16,956 --> 00:09:19,426 I will appoint counsel to represent you. 201 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,927 - Mr. Seve, hang on. 202 00:09:21,027 --> 00:09:23,229 I will appoint counsel to represent you 203 00:09:23,296 --> 00:09:24,831 because you do face the possibility 204 00:09:24,931 --> 00:09:27,233 of having that suspended sentence revoked. 205 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:29,402 There's also, on that same case, 206 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:31,404 10 days Washoe County Jail... 207 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:33,573 - Consecutive. So-- 208 00:09:35,108 --> 00:09:36,242 - Mr. Seve. 209 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:41,681 - The judge does not seem too happy 210 00:09:41,781 --> 00:09:44,117 with the defendant's name-calling. 211 00:09:44,184 --> 00:09:46,953 - Mr. Seve, if you continue to act like that-- 212 00:09:47,053 --> 00:09:49,355 Deputy, Deputy I'm going to-- 213 00:09:52,625 --> 00:09:55,395 - Mr. Seve. Mr. Seve. 214 00:09:56,896 --> 00:09:59,833 - I'm going to hold you in contempt right now 215 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:01,734 if you continue to act this way. 216 00:10:01,835 --> 00:10:04,971 You're being belligerent to me, belligerent to your attorney, 217 00:10:05,071 --> 00:10:06,039 and I'm going to hold you in contempt. 218 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:08,041 ♪ ♪ 219 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:12,011 Stop, please, or you're gonna spend more days in jail. 220 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:14,447 We're gonna go ahead and continue Mr. Seve's case. 221 00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:15,982 He's not in the right spirit, 222 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:18,718 so we'll continue into Tuesday morning. 223 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:20,420 Actually, we're good. 224 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:22,622 We'll get him a trial date, and he'll be given 225 00:10:22,755 --> 00:10:26,392 that trial date in his cell. You can take Mr. Seve away. 226 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:30,029 His trial date will be given to him. 227 00:10:30,096 --> 00:10:31,397 - As he's taken back to his cell, 228 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:34,667 Seve has a few parting words for the court. 229 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,815 ♪ ♪ 230 00:10:48,915 --> 00:10:52,318 - The judge set bond at $1,500, 231 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:54,154 and Seve's latest trespassing charge 232 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:56,189 was eventually dismissed. 233 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:57,957 As for his first case, 234 00:10:58,024 --> 00:11:00,660 the judge revoked Seve's suspended sentence 235 00:11:00,793 --> 00:11:05,765 and was made to serve 130 days in the county jail. 236 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:11,237 - Next, we're in Jonesboro, Georgia, 237 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:13,306 for the beginning of a trial. 238 00:11:13,439 --> 00:11:15,642 ♪ ♪ 239 00:11:15,708 --> 00:11:18,144 24-year-old Hannah Payne has been charged 240 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:20,079 with malice murder, felony murder, 241 00:11:20,146 --> 00:11:23,316 aggravated assault, and a number of other charges. 242 00:11:23,383 --> 00:11:25,552 ♪ ♪ 243 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:27,720 Three years earlier, Payne told police 244 00:11:27,787 --> 00:11:30,156 that she was driving in Clayton County 245 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:33,192 when she witnessed 62-year-old Kenneth Herring 246 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:36,863 run a red light and then hit a semi-truck with his pickup. 247 00:11:36,996 --> 00:11:40,166 No one was hurt, but Herring left the scene 248 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:43,236 of the accident and Payne called 911. 249 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:59,352 - But according to prosecutors, 250 00:11:59,452 --> 00:12:02,288 Payne did follow Herring for a mile 251 00:12:02,388 --> 00:12:05,758 before boxing him in on the highway. 252 00:12:05,825 --> 00:12:09,662 Payne then approached the vehicle with a loaded gun 253 00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:12,966 and commanded Herring get out of the car. 254 00:12:16,936 --> 00:12:18,671 - But Herring refused, and the two 255 00:12:18,805 --> 00:12:20,640 allegedly got into a struggle. 256 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,875 That's when Payne's gun went off... 257 00:12:23,009 --> 00:12:27,213 - Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 258 00:12:27,313 --> 00:12:29,916 - Hitting Herring once in the stomach. 259 00:12:38,992 --> 00:12:40,960 ♪ ♪ 260 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:44,197 - Herring died later that day at the hospital. 261 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,234 Payne was arrested and charged with murder. 262 00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:52,438 She pled not guilty and, after being denied bond, 263 00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:56,409 was later released on a bond of $320,000. 264 00:12:56,476 --> 00:12:59,012 According to a state corrections officer 265 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:02,282 with medic training who spoke to Herring at the scene, 266 00:13:02,348 --> 00:13:05,685 Herring, a diabetic, was most likely experiencing 267 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:09,188 a medical emergency at the time of the accident. 268 00:13:09,322 --> 00:13:12,358 And investigators say they found no evidence 269 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:15,395 that Herring was intoxicated that day. 270 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:18,464 Now, three years after the incident, 271 00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:21,134 Payne is about to get her day in court. 272 00:13:21,234 --> 00:13:23,369 There's just one problem. 273 00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:25,672 She's informed the court that her attorney, 274 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:28,274 Matt Tucker, recently had a stroke 275 00:13:28,408 --> 00:13:30,109 and is recovering in the hospital. 276 00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:34,080 This is news to Judge Shana Rooks Malone, 277 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,916 and she's not exactly sympathetic. 278 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:39,819 - I'm going to find that Mr. Tucker 279 00:13:39,952 --> 00:13:41,621 is in contempt of court. 280 00:13:41,754 --> 00:13:43,289 He failed to follow the rules of court 281 00:13:43,389 --> 00:13:44,824 in notifying the court. 282 00:13:44,957 --> 00:13:49,028 I'm gonna also file a grievance with the State Bar of Georgia. 283 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,763 But what I will tell you, Ms. Payne, 284 00:13:50,863 --> 00:13:54,701 is you need to seriously seek new counsel. 285 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,370 - Later that day, after Tucker's informed 286 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:59,305 of the judge's ruling, 287 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,908 he shares his feelings with a local news crew 288 00:14:02,041 --> 00:14:03,476 from his hospital bed. 289 00:14:03,576 --> 00:14:05,678 - I was astonished. I couldn't believe it. 290 00:14:05,778 --> 00:14:08,715 I've never lied to the court. I'm a officer of the court. 291 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:11,017 We've been waiting for this trial for three years. 292 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:14,153 - Tucker claims he did follow protocol 293 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,422 and alerted the court of his condition. 294 00:14:16,556 --> 00:14:18,324 He also claims the judge never filed 295 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:19,726 a grievance against him 296 00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:22,962 and that he was not charged with contempt. 297 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:25,798 Payne retained Tucker as her attorney. 298 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:29,435 They filed a motion to recuse Judge Malone from the trial. 299 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:32,438 That was denied initially, but the judge 300 00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,974 was ultimately reassigned. 301 00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:38,044 Seven months later, before a new judge, 302 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:40,213 Payne's trial concluded, and the jury 303 00:14:40,313 --> 00:14:42,081 returned with a verdict. 304 00:14:42,148 --> 00:14:44,684 - As to the offense of malice murder, 305 00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:47,720 we, the jury, find the defendant guilty. 306 00:14:47,787 --> 00:14:50,022 As to the offense of felony murder, 307 00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:52,925 we, the jury, find the defendant guilty. 308 00:14:53,025 --> 00:14:54,627 ♪ ♪ 309 00:14:54,761 --> 00:14:57,964 - Payne was also found guilty of aggravated assault, 310 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:00,466 false imprisonment, and possession of a firearm 311 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,001 during a felony. 312 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:04,370 She was sentenced to life in prison 313 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:09,509 with the possibility of parole during a minimum of 43 years. 314 00:15:09,642 --> 00:15:15,114 ♪ ♪ 315 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:17,116 - Next, we head to Adrian, Michigan, 316 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,152 for a pretrial hearing. 317 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:20,787 ♪ ♪ 318 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,589 53-year-old Donald Lester has been arrested 319 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:26,192 and charged with possession of methamphetamine, 320 00:15:26,292 --> 00:15:29,562 two counts of resisting or obstructing a police officer. 321 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:32,432 Bond was set at $20,000. 322 00:15:32,498 --> 00:15:35,601 The defendant has been unable to pay. 323 00:15:35,701 --> 00:15:39,172 So today, Lester appears from the county jail 324 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:41,440 before Judge Michael Olsaver. 325 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:44,610 He's represented by public defender John Glaser, 326 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:47,613 Lester's second attorney, having had his first one 327 00:15:47,713 --> 00:15:49,315 removed from the case. 328 00:15:49,448 --> 00:15:54,187 - Mr. Glaser, where do we stand with Mr. Lester's case today? 329 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,791 - Your Honor, at this point, I can't talk to Mr. Lester. 330 00:15:58,858 --> 00:16:02,195 He-- when we try to talk, he just starts screaming 331 00:16:02,261 --> 00:16:04,130 and yelling at me and won't listen to anything 332 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:05,898 I've got to say. 333 00:16:06,032 --> 00:16:08,534 ♪ ♪ 334 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,436 Now, there are some notes that he may have some... 335 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:12,038 - Oh, my God. 336 00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:16,042 - Some mental health issues, according to a family member. 337 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:17,877 - What did you just say? What did you just say? 338 00:16:17,944 --> 00:16:19,645 A family member did what? 339 00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:23,115 - Mr. Lester, Mr. Lester, please sit down and be quiet. 340 00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:25,318 - My family member couldn't have. 341 00:16:25,384 --> 00:16:27,220 There's nobody up here with me but me. 342 00:16:27,353 --> 00:16:29,555 - This phone call-- - There's no one here but me. 343 00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:31,591 And if you have a name, please let me have it. 344 00:16:31,691 --> 00:16:33,593 Put the phone number, because I've been 345 00:16:33,693 --> 00:16:36,963 trying to call my family for the past three months, sir. 346 00:16:37,029 --> 00:16:39,031 Let me say something, please. Can I say something? 347 00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:40,199 - All right, both of you-- 348 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,834 both of you stop talking right now. 349 00:16:41,934 --> 00:16:43,436 - OK, that's fine. 350 00:16:43,569 --> 00:16:45,571 I'm willing to listen, but this is getting ridiculous. 351 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:47,273 - Mr. Lester, I said stop talking. 352 00:16:47,406 --> 00:16:49,475 You're continuing to talk. If you continue to-- 353 00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:52,411 Mr. Glaser, stop talking. 354 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,480 ♪ ♪ 355 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:57,950 That is not a difficult instruction. 356 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,987 And I am not going to lose control of this proceeding. 357 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,756 - I appreciate that. Thank you. 358 00:17:03,823 --> 00:17:06,025 - Mr. Lester, I've muted your device. 359 00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:08,561 I instructed you to not talk two times, 360 00:17:08,628 --> 00:17:09,862 and you continue to talk. 361 00:17:09,996 --> 00:17:10,963 I can't hear what you're saying. 362 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,565 You're on mute. 363 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:14,767 Mr. Bayoneto, is there a plea offer in this case? 364 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,269 - There is, Your Honor? 365 00:17:16,402 --> 00:17:19,705 - That's assistant prosecutor Alexander Bayoneto. 366 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,975 - The plea offer is attempted possession of methamphetamine 367 00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:25,478 and then the two R&Os as charged. 368 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:28,047 - The state's offering to lower Lester's 369 00:17:28,114 --> 00:17:32,485 initial charge from possession to attempted possession. 370 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:34,954 - I need to speak with Mr. Lester, but-- 371 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,189 and see if he can calmly talk 372 00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:38,958 about this plea bargain with me. 373 00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:41,394 ♪ ♪ 374 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:43,562 - Mr. Lester, Mr. Glaser just said 375 00:17:43,629 --> 00:17:48,334 he would like to talk to you to explain that offer to you. 376 00:17:48,434 --> 00:17:51,570 But you need to be able to sit and listen to what he says. 377 00:17:51,671 --> 00:17:53,706 Do you want to do that? - I'm being railroaded. 378 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,076 What am I supposed to do? - You're not being railroaded. 379 00:17:57,209 --> 00:17:59,111 Mr. Lester, if you're not-- if you're not gonna 380 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,681 to participate and answer my questions, 381 00:18:01,781 --> 00:18:03,015 I'm just going to set this for another-- 382 00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:04,984 - I don't know how many times I gotta say it. 383 00:18:05,117 --> 00:18:07,553 Let me talk to Mr. Glaser, please. 384 00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:08,821 - OK, thank you. 385 00:18:08,955 --> 00:18:10,389 That's the first time you've said that. 386 00:18:10,523 --> 00:18:12,992 So I will set up a breakout session for you 387 00:18:13,059 --> 00:18:15,594 with Mr. Glaser right now. 388 00:18:15,695 --> 00:18:18,831 - 15 minutes later, the defendant and his lawyer 389 00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:20,466 returned to the hearing. 390 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,836 - Mr. Glaser, where do we stand with Mr. Lester's case 391 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:25,104 at the moment? 392 00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:30,810 ♪ ♪ 393 00:18:30,876 --> 00:18:32,311 - He belittled me, and I would like to get somebody else, 394 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:33,679 please. Please. 395 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:35,681 - Mr. Lester, I only have the ability 396 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:38,150 to appoint the public defender's office, so-- 397 00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:39,585 - Not out of their office. 'Cause he keep-- 398 00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:41,821 - Mr. Lester, stop interrupting me. 399 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:43,389 ♪ ♪ 400 00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:44,857 I'm trying to explain to you that I 401 00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:46,626 only have the ability to appoint 402 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,729 the public defender's office. I've done that. 403 00:18:49,829 --> 00:18:51,864 We've been through two attorneys 404 00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:54,467 now that you have not liked. 405 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,572 You don't have the ability to pick your public defender. 406 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:01,640 - OK, that's fine, but I still don't want him 407 00:19:01,707 --> 00:19:03,809 to no longer represent me in this. 408 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:06,846 Mr. Glaser continues to sit up there 409 00:19:06,912 --> 00:19:09,081 and belittle me and slander my name to you. 410 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:11,350 There's no way this is gonna work between me and him. 411 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:13,285 - Mr. Glaser has not said anything 412 00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:15,554 to me that has not occurred on the record about you 413 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:18,658 or about your case. - Yes, he did. 414 00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:20,993 - Mr. Lester, do not interrupt. 415 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:23,763 ♪ ♪ 416 00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:33,172 - All right, at this point, I don't think 417 00:19:33,272 --> 00:19:35,007 Mr. Lester is in a position 418 00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:36,642 to be able to continue this hearing. 419 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:37,877 - I'm sorry. 420 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,312 - We can address who represents you next. 421 00:19:40,446 --> 00:19:42,848 - I don't want him as an attorney, man. 422 00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:44,984 Y'all railroad me, man. 423 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:48,387 This is crazy. This is crazy. 424 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,089 ♪ ♪ 425 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:53,125 - Lester was granted a new attorney, 426 00:19:53,225 --> 00:19:56,395 but soon after, that lawyer withdrew from the case, 427 00:19:56,495 --> 00:19:59,165 citing a breakdown in their relationship. 428 00:19:59,265 --> 00:20:02,401 Lester was also disruptive in court again 429 00:20:02,468 --> 00:20:06,439 and was sentenced to 93 days in jail for contempt. 430 00:20:06,505 --> 00:20:09,175 Lester now has another new attorney, 431 00:20:09,275 --> 00:20:11,911 and the court has entered a not guilty plea 432 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:15,081 on his behalf. That case is pending. 433 00:20:15,147 --> 00:20:17,283 ♪ ♪ 434 00:20:17,349 --> 00:20:19,685 That's it for this edition of "Court Cam." 435 00:20:19,785 --> 00:20:22,354 I'm Dan Abrams. Thanks for watching. 436 00:20:22,455 --> 00:20:26,459 ♪ ♪