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Previously on
"women of the movement"...
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Ollie: They think they found
emmett -- his body.
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Dr. Otken: I've never seen
such damage
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in such a short amount of time.
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Honestly don't see any use for
an autopsy.
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This whole thing is a hoax
cooked up by the naacp.
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The photo of that boy
when he's alive?
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Don't look like nothing
I saw.
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The defense is running
with strider's hoax theory,
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but a mother's testimony
means something
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in a southern courtroom.
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Before those men
killed that boy,
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some field hands saw him riding
in the back of a pickup truck,
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sitting between two negro men.
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If we can track them down,
maybe we can tie
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bryant and milam directly to
the murder.
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All I saw was a truck parked
over at the shed that morning.
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You recognize any of
those men?
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But one of them was tall
and was kind of bald-headed.
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Willie reed.
I heard you know something
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about that chicago boy.
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I think I seen him.
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You know, on the back
of some truck.
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You heard about that third man?
Goes by too tight.
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He's missing?
He worked for
one of them milam brothers.
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How do you respond to
local citizens who say,
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"a civilized mother would never
have put a child's body
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on public display?"
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opening my son's casket
made it impossible to ignore
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what really goes on down here.
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[ gunshots ]
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[ laughter ]
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there's quite a bit
being said about you,
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and I think it's time
we heard your side.
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♪♪
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[ eartha kitt's "if I was a boy"
plays ]
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♪♪
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♪ if I was a boy ♪
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♪ I'd know the things
a girl shouldn't know ♪
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♪ I'd go where girls
shouldn't go ♪
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♪ so, oh ♪
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[ sighs ]
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♪ so ♪
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♪ if I was a boy ♪
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what's the hold up?
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I just wish I had
something to wear
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that was worth
looking at.
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What about
this one here?
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It's fine,
I suppose.
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Except I've worn it
once already to court.
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♪ I'd pack and catch me
a train ♪
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♪ go out and raise me
some cain ♪
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♪ if I was a boy ♪
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they sure dress different
up north, don't they?
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They talk different,
too.
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What she wears and how she talks
is none of your concern.
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♪ there is such a lot a girl
has gotta cope with ♪
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♪ there are times
I think ♪
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I expect the press will be
after me today,
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once I testify.
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Lord, I wish they'd
just leave us alone.
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Juanita: I suppose I don't need
to remind you
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that this ain't another one
of your high school
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beauty pageants.
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Roy's life is on the line,
and so is j.W.'s.
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For heaven's sake, juanita,
you don't think I know it?
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[ child screams in distance ]
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I'll deal with him.
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You need to hurry up
and get your head on straight.
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You got us all
into this mess.
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It's up to you
to get us out.
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[ paper slaps ]
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♪♪
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chatham: The defense is
desperate, mrs. Bradley.
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I can smell it.
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We have kidnapping confessions
from both defendants,
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a great deal
of circumstantial evidence,
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and now, thanks to
these new witnesses,
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we can place emmett
at the plantation
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where milam's own brother
worked
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a few hours after
his disappearance.
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Thank god for dr. Howard
and his team.
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[ sighs ]
you can bet we did.
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Before these witnesses
came forward,
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we had no clue
where the crime was committed,
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only that it was.
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And today, I intend to prove
that bryant and milam
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killed your son
on that very plantation
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that same morning.
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It's gonna be tough
for a jury to ignore
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eye-witness testimony
from these farmhands, ma'am.
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I'm glad to hear that.
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However...
The fact remains
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that our only shred
of physical evidence --
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our only proof that
a murder occurred --
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is your son's body.
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Which is why they are so
determined to deny his identity.
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And why we need you
to prove to the jury
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that there was no hoax,
and that, as a mother,
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you would know
your son better than anyone.
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I understand.
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You need me
to tell the truth.
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And that's exactly
what I intend to do.
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The defense will try to cast
doubts, of course,
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but just stick to the facts
and you'll do fine.
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Now, um,
there is one more thing.
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We've received a few letters
from concerned citizens
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who haven't taken kindly
to the fact
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that I've referred to you
in the press as "mrs. Bradley."
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I'm sure you're aware
of the southern custom?
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I am.
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We believe it would not
serve us well
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to risk offending the jury
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before they've even had
a chance to hear you speak.
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If you'll permit me,
I suggest
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I stick to the custom
during questioning.
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You're welcome to
call me mamie.
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Thank you.
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And please take care
with your responses, too.
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They're going to want
to hear you say "sir."
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vendor: Pop!
Get your ice cold soda pop.
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[ tense music plays ]
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[ indistinct conversations ]
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♪♪
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[ smooches ]
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♪♪
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good morning.
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Look at you.
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Almost didn't recognize you
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with all that paint
on your face.
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[ chuckles ]
soda pop!
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Ice cold soda pop.
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Milam: Damn,
it just gets hotter
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in this hell hole every day,
doesn't it?
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Son. Gimme a couple of them
cold ones.
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Keep 'em coming.
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♪♪
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you straight on
what you're saying?
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Of course, roy.
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chatham: Now, mandy,
I direct your attention
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to the 28th day
of August, 1955.
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Did you see willie reed
that morning?
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Yes, sir.
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He stopped by my house
about, uh --
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well, along 6:30,
7 o'clock.
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And at that time,
did you look out
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towards mr. Leslie milam's
house?
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Y-yes, sir.
I looked out the window.
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[whispering] what the hell
happened to our chairs?
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Ruby: [whispering] shh!
Somebody must have moved them.
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Shh.
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Judge swango:
I need order, please.
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I understand our audience
has grown today,
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but I cannot allow anyone
in those aisles
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because it poses
a fire hazard.
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I'm sorry, but if you do not
have a seat,
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you'll have to wait outside.
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Better luck next time,
boys.
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You may proceed.
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Now, what did you see
when you looked out
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towards mr. Leslie milam's
house, mandy?
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I saw a green and white truck
out there,
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and four white men.
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They were going in and out
the shed,
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and one went to the well
and got a drink of water
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and then back
to the shed.
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Would you recognize that man
if you saw him again?
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yes.
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He was kind of a tall man.
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And bald-headed.
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thank you, mandy.
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Hicks: Three days trying to
track those witnesses down
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and now we can't even report
on what they say?
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Well, the drug store's been
selling folding chairs.
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I've seen a few white reporters
bringing them in.
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And you think they're going to
let us get away with that, too?
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Never know
unless you try.
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Excuse me.
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You're a reporter,
aren't ya?
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Trying to be.
[ sighs ]
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what can I do for you?
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Well, we've been out here
hoping to find somebody
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that could help us.
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You see, m--
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you see, my wife,
she heard some talk yesterday
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while she was getting
her hair done.
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And we thought somebody
ought to know about it.
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What did you hear?
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Well, it's about them men
folks have been talking about.
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The ones that were
in the truck the night
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they got
that chicago boy.
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[ birds chirping ]
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chatham: Willie,
as you came up
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towards mr. Leslie milam's
house,
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did you see anyone there?
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N-no, sir,
not at first.
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But there was
a green a-and white truck
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in front of the shed,
and it was the same truck
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I had seen earlier
that had passed me by.
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Who was in
that truck then?
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Four white men
in the cab,
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um, and three colored men
in the back,
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and I seen somebody
sitting down
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in the bed of the truck --
a colored boy.
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Hmm.
Now, later on,
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did you recognize
a photograph
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or anything that indicated
to you
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who was sitting down
in the bed of that truck?
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When I looked at the newspaper,
um, I seen a photo of a boy.
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It was the same one I seen
in the back of the truck.
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And was that emmett till?
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Well --
we object, your honor.
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Judge swango:
Objection is sustained
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unless it's connected,
of course.
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Now, I have a picture here
that was offered as exhibit 1.
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Have you ever seen
this boy before?
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Yes, sir.
It is a picture of the boy
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I seen on the back of
the truck.
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Now, as you were passing by
mr. Leslie milam's place
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later that morning,
was mr. J.W. Milam there?
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Yes, sir.
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I-I seen him come out
of the shed to the well.
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Mr. J.W. Milam, the man that is
sitting right over there?
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Yes, sir.
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Will you state
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whether he had
anything unusual
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on his person?
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He had a pistol
on his belt.
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And what did mr. J.W. Milam do
when you saw him?
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Well, he, um --
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he just went to the well,
got a drink of water,
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and then -- and then
went back towards the shed.
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And after you passed
the shed,
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did you hear
or see anything unusual?
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[ clears throat ]
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I heard somebody hollering
from in there,
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and I heard some licks
like --
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like somebody
was whipping somebody.
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Thank you.
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No further questions.
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Willie... [ clears throat ]
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when that truck passed
by you that morning,
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00:11:57,884 --> 00:12:01,970
did you recognize
mr. J.W. Milam in there?
258
00:12:02,089 --> 00:12:04,305
Well, I-I didn't pay
too much attention
259
00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:05,807
to them in--
inside the truck.
260
00:12:05,926 --> 00:12:07,842
I-I just looked at the ones
in the back.
261
00:12:07,928 --> 00:12:12,931
Then you wouldn't say that
mr. Milam was inside the truck?
262
00:12:13,016 --> 00:12:14,015
No, sir,
I wouldn't say that.
263
00:12:14,101 --> 00:12:16,735
No. Later on,
when you passed this shed,
264
00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:18,403
how far were you from it?
265
00:12:18,488 --> 00:12:20,605
Yeah.
I wasn't too far, sir.
266
00:12:20,707 --> 00:12:23,474
Well, would you say
it was, um, 100 yards away?
267
00:12:23,577 --> 00:12:24,976
I wouldn't know, sir.
268
00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,111
Mm.
269
00:12:26,196 --> 00:12:28,113
Now, this person
you testified, uh,
270
00:12:28,198 --> 00:12:31,499
was mr. Milam, how, uh --
271
00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:35,336
how far was he from you
when you first saw him there?
272
00:12:37,657 --> 00:12:38,823
[ gulps ]
273
00:12:38,859 --> 00:12:43,361
well, I wouldn't say how far,
just because I --
274
00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:44,829
I just wouldn't know, sir.
275
00:12:44,848 --> 00:12:48,533
Then you don't know whether
you were 100 yards away,
276
00:12:48,568 --> 00:12:52,170
or 200 yards,
or 500 yards
277
00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:54,506
away from him?
278
00:12:54,574 --> 00:12:55,773
No -- no, sir.
279
00:12:55,792 --> 00:12:57,242
You, uh --
you stated that you heard
280
00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,644
something that sounded
like licks from inside the shed,
281
00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,679
but you don't know
whether mr. Milam
282
00:13:01,715 --> 00:13:04,482
was in there or not,
do you?
283
00:13:04,551 --> 00:13:06,684
But I-I seen mr. Milam,
284
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,852
uh, when --
when he left the shed.
285
00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:12,023
But you didn't see him
in the shed, did you?
286
00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:13,191
Well, no, sir.
287
00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:16,361
But I-I seen him
w-when he left the shed and --
288
00:13:16,396 --> 00:13:18,530
and went to the well,
289
00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:21,266
a-and I seen him
when he went back towards it.
290
00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,401
But you don't know whether
the sounds you heard
291
00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:25,503
was somebody hammering,
292
00:13:25,539 --> 00:13:27,772
trying to fix a wagon,
or something like that.
293
00:13:27,808 --> 00:13:30,208
It was somebody
whipping somebody.
294
00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:31,810
S-sir.
295
00:13:34,881 --> 00:13:37,182
[ sighs ]
296
00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:40,602
um, your honor, so,
we ask the court
297
00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,973
to exclude all evidence
as offered by this witness
298
00:13:45,058 --> 00:13:49,093
and to direct the jury
to wholly disregard it,
299
00:13:49,196 --> 00:13:53,198
because roy bryant has
not been identified in any way
300
00:13:53,283 --> 00:13:57,101
as being present on the occasion
as testified by this witness.
301
00:13:57,204 --> 00:13:59,287
Your honor,
the defendants had the right
302
00:13:59,406 --> 00:14:00,872
to be tried separately,
303
00:14:00,957 --> 00:14:06,110
but they chose
to stand trial together.
304
00:14:06,213 --> 00:14:07,912
The motion will be overruled.
305
00:14:07,998 --> 00:14:10,548
The testimony stands.
306
00:14:10,634 --> 00:14:12,250
You may step down.
307
00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:19,591
♪♪
308
00:14:19,676 --> 00:14:22,260
the state calls mamie bradley
next.
309
00:14:22,345 --> 00:14:23,961
♪♪
310
00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:25,146
[ door opens ]
311
00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:26,231
[ crowd murmuring ]
312
00:14:26,316 --> 00:14:28,266
[ gavel bangs ]
313
00:14:28,351 --> 00:14:31,269
[ solemn music plays ]
314
00:14:31,354 --> 00:14:35,106
♪♪
315
00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:39,444
damn it. Sold out.
Listen.
316
00:14:39,529 --> 00:14:41,145
Ain't they got any more chairs
in this godforsaken town?
317
00:14:41,248 --> 00:14:43,531
You know about those missing men
I heard about at the dance hall?
318
00:14:43,617 --> 00:14:46,501
They were spotted yesterday,
about 20 miles up the road
319
00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:49,203
in the charleston...Jail.
[ panting ]
320
00:14:49,289 --> 00:14:51,673
wait.
Hold on...
321
00:14:51,791 --> 00:14:52,957
We gave their names
to chatham
322
00:14:53,043 --> 00:14:54,842
so they could be
brought in to testify,
323
00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:56,661
and you're telling me
they ended up in jail?
324
00:14:56,763 --> 00:14:59,514
Charleston jail is in
sheriff strider's jurisdiction,
325
00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:01,332
and we know
he's crooked as hell.
326
00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:02,300
What if he's got them
hidden away in there
327
00:15:02,385 --> 00:15:03,768
so chatham
can't find them?
328
00:15:03,853 --> 00:15:06,387
Well, the state wraps
up testimony today.
329
00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,172
Once they rest, it's over.
330
00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:10,441
We can't introduce
more witnesses.
331
00:15:10,527 --> 00:15:11,976
Well, I doubt the folks
at the jail would appreciate
332
00:15:12,062 --> 00:15:13,945
the likes of us just waltzing
in there to ask questions.
333
00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:16,230
Well, then we better find
another way to prove it.
334
00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:19,233
[ tense music plays ]
335
00:15:19,319 --> 00:15:26,157
♪♪
336
00:15:26,242 --> 00:15:28,242
hi. Excuse me,
can you tell me
337
00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:30,027
how to get to the jail
over in charleston?
338
00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:31,696
♪♪
339
00:15:31,798 --> 00:15:33,998
what kind of business
you got down there?
340
00:15:34,084 --> 00:15:35,300
I'm a reporter.
341
00:15:35,385 --> 00:15:37,635
Uh, dan wakefield -- I-I write
for the nation.
342
00:15:37,721 --> 00:15:39,754
Just following up
on a tip.
343
00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:42,140
Wondering if there was a --
a bus or some way
344
00:15:42,225 --> 00:15:43,808
to get out there?
[ laughs nervously ]
345
00:15:43,893 --> 00:15:47,211
♪♪
346
00:15:47,314 --> 00:15:48,713
tell you what.
347
00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:51,349
We was fixing to head
out there ourselves.
348
00:15:51,434 --> 00:15:53,050
Why don't you hitch
along with us?
349
00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:55,069
♪♪
350
00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:59,273
now, mamie, will you please
state for the court and jury
351
00:15:59,359 --> 00:16:01,609
whether you were able
to identify the body
352
00:16:01,695 --> 00:16:04,579
you saw at the funeral home
in chicago?
353
00:16:04,698 --> 00:16:05,913
Yes, sir.
354
00:16:06,032 --> 00:16:10,868
I positively identified the body
as being that of my son,
355
00:16:10,954 --> 00:16:14,455
emmett louis till.
356
00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:20,745
Please tell the court and
the jury how you looked at it
357
00:16:20,847 --> 00:16:24,081
and what you did
in identifying it.
358
00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:28,686
I looked at the face
very carefully.
359
00:16:28,722 --> 00:16:33,491
I looked at the ears
and the forehead
360
00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:37,428
and the hairline
and also the hair.
361
00:16:37,464 --> 00:16:42,500
And I looked at the nose
and the lips and his chin.
362
00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,736
I just looked at it
all over very thoroughly.
363
00:16:44,771 --> 00:16:47,572
And I knew, definitely,
that was my boy,
364
00:16:47,607 --> 00:16:50,008
beyond a shadow
of a doubt.
365
00:16:50,043 --> 00:16:53,244
Mamie, when your husband,
the father of emmett till,
366
00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:56,080
was killed overseas,
were his effects sent to you?
367
00:16:56,115 --> 00:16:57,415
Yes, sir.
They were.
368
00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,301
I'd like ask you if in those
effects there was a ring?
369
00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:02,253
Yes, sir --
now, your honor.
370
00:17:02,338 --> 00:17:04,756
We now object to the testimony
of this witness
371
00:17:04,841 --> 00:17:07,842
with reference to the effects,
or what is purported to be
372
00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:10,428
the effects of her dead husband
being sent to her,
373
00:17:10,513 --> 00:17:12,096
without showing just who,
when, and how
374
00:17:12,182 --> 00:17:14,348
those effects were sent.
375
00:17:14,434 --> 00:17:16,467
Yes, I believe there would
have to be a prior connection
376
00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:18,269
to identification
of the ring.
377
00:17:18,354 --> 00:17:19,487
Sustained.
378
00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:21,639
Your honor, we're just trying
to identify the ring
379
00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:23,074
that the boy had on.
380
00:17:23,159 --> 00:17:26,160
You can proceed
a little differently, I believe.
381
00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:27,612
Yes, sir.
382
00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:32,650
Mamie, I will ask you
if your son had a ring
383
00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:34,368
and frequently wore a ring
384
00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:36,921
and if that was sent to you
along with the effects
385
00:17:37,006 --> 00:17:38,706
of your husband that you got?
386
00:17:38,792 --> 00:17:40,842
Yes, sir.
We object to that,
your honor,
387
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,127
for the reason that she said
the effects were sent to her
388
00:17:43,213 --> 00:17:45,680
that were supposed to belong
to her dead husband,
389
00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:47,215
but it hasn't been shown
in evidence
390
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,350
anything about the identity
of these effects.
391
00:17:49,469 --> 00:17:51,102
The objection
is overruled.
392
00:17:54,858 --> 00:17:57,525
[ sighs ]
393
00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:01,846
I will now hand you
this ring, mamie,
394
00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:05,533
with an engraving on it,
"may 25, 1943,"
395
00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:07,318
and the large initials
of "l.T.,"
396
00:18:07,403 --> 00:18:09,620
and I will ask you
if this ring was sent along
397
00:18:09,706 --> 00:18:11,372
with the effects
purported to be
398
00:18:11,491 --> 00:18:12,857
the effects
of your dead husband?
399
00:18:12,909 --> 00:18:13,808
Yes, sir.
400
00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:15,293
What was
your husband's name?
401
00:18:15,361 --> 00:18:16,427
Louis till.
402
00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:18,830
In other words,
his initials were "l.T."?
403
00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:19,997
Yes, sir.
404
00:18:20,033 --> 00:18:21,599
And when you got that ring
in his effects,
405
00:18:21,634 --> 00:18:23,367
what happened to it?
406
00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:26,304
Uh, well, I kept the ring
in a jewelry box.
407
00:18:26,339 --> 00:18:28,639
Before he left for
mississippi,
408
00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:32,677
emmett looked in this jewelry
box to get, um, cuff links,
409
00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:34,846
I think it was, and when
he looked in the box there,
410
00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,047
he saw this ring.
411
00:18:36,082 --> 00:18:37,615
And he left chicago with it,
did he?
412
00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:38,783
Yes, sir.
413
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,084
And you definitely saw that
that was the ring
414
00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,519
that he left there with?
Yes, sir.
415
00:18:41,554 --> 00:18:43,221
And that was the ring
that he had on him
416
00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:44,622
when he came down here
to mississippi?
417
00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:46,157
Yes, sir.
418
00:18:54,601 --> 00:19:00,972
Now, mamie, I have here
some photos
419
00:19:01,057 --> 00:19:04,859
taken by the police photographer
shortly after the body
420
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:08,345
was removed
from the tallahatchie river.
421
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,348
[ solemn music plays ]
422
00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:16,871
♪♪
423
00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:21,242
is that a picture of your son,
emmett till?
424
00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:27,882
♪♪
425
00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:30,751
yes, sir.
It is.
426
00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:32,369
Thank you, mamie.
427
00:19:32,472 --> 00:19:40,895
♪♪
428
00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:49,437
♪♪
429
00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:52,440
[ crying ]
430
00:19:52,525 --> 00:20:06,220
♪♪
mamie, did you have any life
insurance out on emmett till?
431
00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:08,589
We object, your honor.
432
00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:11,893
I'm gonna overrule that.
433
00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:15,096
Did you have
any life insurance on him?
434
00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:16,463
Yes, sir.
435
00:20:16,566 --> 00:20:18,816
How much insurance
did you have?
436
00:20:18,935 --> 00:20:20,701
About $400.
437
00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:22,536
And how long
had you had these, uh --
438
00:20:22,605 --> 00:20:25,273
these policies out on him?
439
00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:26,824
Almost from his birth.
440
00:20:26,943 --> 00:20:28,492
And to whom
were they payable?
441
00:20:28,611 --> 00:20:30,111
We object to that,
your honor.
442
00:20:30,213 --> 00:20:33,314
The objection is overruled.
443
00:20:33,416 --> 00:20:35,383
I was the beneficiary of one
of them
444
00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:37,501
and my mother
was of the other.
445
00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:39,987
And, uh -- and have you
tried to collect on --
446
00:20:40,089 --> 00:20:41,589
on those, uh,
payments yet?
447
00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:42,924
We object to that,
your honor.
448
00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:44,208
That is highly irrelevant.
449
00:20:44,294 --> 00:20:46,794
The objection
is overruled.
450
00:20:46,879 --> 00:20:50,831
Have you contacted the insurance
companies about collecting?
451
00:20:50,934 --> 00:20:54,352
Yes, sir.
452
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:56,304
Now, [clears throat]
453
00:20:56,389 --> 00:21:00,007
was, uh, emmett ever
in any trouble up in chicago?
454
00:21:00,109 --> 00:21:02,109
We object to that,
your honor. Relevance.
455
00:21:02,195 --> 00:21:03,811
Judge swango:
The objection is sustained.
456
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:08,366
You said you discussed
your son's trip down
457
00:21:08,484 --> 00:21:10,151
to mississippi
several times with him
458
00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:13,520
before he left chicago,
is that correct?
459
00:21:13,623 --> 00:21:14,739
Yes, sir.
460
00:21:14,824 --> 00:21:17,024
And did you caution him
how to conduct himself
461
00:21:17,126 --> 00:21:19,210
while he was down here
in mississippi before he left?
462
00:21:19,329 --> 00:21:20,411
Again -- relevance?
463
00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:21,712
I'll tell you
how it's relevant.
464
00:21:21,831 --> 00:21:25,199
I have an exhibit that I want
the witness to identify.
465
00:21:25,301 --> 00:21:27,134
Your honor, I think
it's perfectly clear
466
00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:28,302
what he is trying to do,
467
00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:30,054
and I think counsel
should be counseled
468
00:21:30,173 --> 00:21:32,306
to stop asking
more questions like that.
469
00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:33,808
The objection
is sustained.
470
00:21:33,893 --> 00:21:35,542
The court would like to ask
the gentlemen of the jury
471
00:21:35,645 --> 00:21:37,345
to step into the jury room
for a moment,
472
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:39,313
so that we may discuss
this further.
473
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,484
[ chairs sliding ]
474
00:21:45,071 --> 00:21:46,387
[ door opens ]
475
00:21:46,489 --> 00:21:49,106
[ crowd murmuring ]
476
00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:02,536
the court will allow
the defense counsel
477
00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:04,372
to proceed
with this line of questioning
478
00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:06,257
without the presence
of the jury.
479
00:22:06,376 --> 00:22:09,176
If counsel can show that the
testimony is indeed relevant,
480
00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:12,680
the court will allow the jury
to hear it repeated.
481
00:22:12,765 --> 00:22:13,597
You may proceed.
482
00:22:13,716 --> 00:22:15,299
Well, thank you,
your honor.
483
00:22:15,885 --> 00:22:17,385
[ grunts ]
484
00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:20,388
before he left chicago,
did you caution your son
485
00:22:20,473 --> 00:22:22,940
how to conduct himself
while in mississippi?
486
00:22:23,059 --> 00:22:24,775
Yes, sir.
Well...
487
00:22:24,894 --> 00:22:29,313
Now, I have a -- a paper here
where you are quoted.
488
00:22:29,399 --> 00:22:31,315
Listen carefully,
it says --
489
00:22:31,401 --> 00:22:35,736
"I -- I told him several times
before he left for mississippi
490
00:22:35,822 --> 00:22:40,458
that he should kneel on
the street and beg forgiveness
491
00:22:40,576 --> 00:22:44,628
if he ever insulted
a white man or a white woman."
492
00:22:47,083 --> 00:22:50,217
now...
493
00:22:50,303 --> 00:22:52,920
Did you, uh,
say that to him?
494
00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:54,388
Not those exact words.
495
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:56,457
Then what did
you tell him?
496
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,459
Well, I told him he would
have to be very careful
497
00:22:58,561 --> 00:23:00,394
with how he spoke,
498
00:23:00,463 --> 00:23:04,215
to always remember to say
"yes, sir," and "no, ma'am."
499
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:06,267
and if ever there was
an incident that would arise
500
00:23:06,302 --> 00:23:07,802
that might be any trouble
501
00:23:07,837 --> 00:23:09,937
of any kind
with white people --
502
00:23:09,972 --> 00:23:13,541
um, if he bumped into somebody
on the street, for example,
503
00:23:13,576 --> 00:23:15,943
I told him to go ahead
and humble himself.
504
00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:19,447
Did you specifically indicate
to him and caution him
505
00:23:19,482 --> 00:23:20,881
not to do anything
to a white man
506
00:23:20,917 --> 00:23:22,416
so as not to bring on
any trouble?
507
00:23:22,452 --> 00:23:23,517
Yes, sir.
508
00:23:23,553 --> 00:23:24,785
Now, while he was living there
in chicago,
509
00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,287
had he been doing anything
to cause you
510
00:23:26,322 --> 00:23:27,788
to give him
that special instruction?
511
00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:31,792
No, sir. Emmett has never been
in any trouble at any time.
512
00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:33,761
And he had never been
in a reform school?
513
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:34,662
No, sir.
514
00:23:34,697 --> 00:23:36,163
And he had never had
any trouble
515
00:23:36,199 --> 00:23:37,431
in any way
with any white people?
516
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,967
No, sir.
517
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:41,702
Now, your honor, we submit
that the testimony
518
00:23:41,771 --> 00:23:42,937
is indeed relevant
519
00:23:42,972 --> 00:23:45,039
and that the witness
be permitted to repeat it
520
00:23:45,074 --> 00:23:46,207
in the presence
of the jury.
521
00:23:46,242 --> 00:23:48,042
The prior objections
to this portion
522
00:23:48,077 --> 00:23:49,677
of the testimony
will be sustained,
523
00:23:49,712 --> 00:23:52,713
and the testimony will not
be permitted before the jury.
524
00:23:52,815 --> 00:23:55,566
No further questions,
your honor.
525
00:23:55,685 --> 00:23:57,101
You may step down.
526
00:23:57,186 --> 00:24:04,442
♪♪
527
00:24:04,527 --> 00:24:11,832
♪♪
528
00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:13,451
the state rests.
529
00:24:13,536 --> 00:24:14,869
Your honor, the defense
would like to call
530
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:18,622
its first witness,
sheriff h.C. Strider.
531
00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:21,208
Hicks: We think the sheriff's
just trying
532
00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:22,543
to keep them
from talking,
533
00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:25,346
but if you agree to verify
your husband's identity,
534
00:24:25,431 --> 00:24:27,131
along with too tight,
535
00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:29,800
we could get authorities
to grant you access to the jail
536
00:24:29,886 --> 00:24:32,052
and allies to protect you.
537
00:24:32,155 --> 00:24:34,922
You said you were a friend
of too tight's.
538
00:24:34,957 --> 00:24:36,190
Ma'am, if your husband
539
00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,025
was a witness
to emmett till's murder,
540
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:41,028
there are probably a lot
of people who want him dead.
541
00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:42,396
Okay, now, the fact that
he's still alive
542
00:24:42,431 --> 00:24:44,198
means there's still a chance
to save him.
543
00:24:44,267 --> 00:24:46,350
[ sighs ]
544
00:24:46,435 --> 00:24:49,737
henry is a good guy.
545
00:24:49,772 --> 00:24:52,773
If he was mixed up in anything
with that boy,
546
00:24:52,808 --> 00:24:54,475
it's because
he had no choice.
547
00:24:54,577 --> 00:24:56,110
We know.
548
00:24:56,145 --> 00:24:57,411
That's why we want to make sure
that the men
549
00:24:57,446 --> 00:25:00,347
who are responsible
are held accountable.
550
00:25:07,689 --> 00:25:09,690
Breland: As sheriff of
tallahatchie county,
551
00:25:09,792 --> 00:25:10,908
have you taken bodies
out of that river
552
00:25:10,993 --> 00:25:11,992
during the summer period,
553
00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:13,077
with weather like we had
here in August?
554
00:25:13,162 --> 00:25:15,195
I have.
And what is your opinion,
555
00:25:15,298 --> 00:25:17,915
based on your past experience,
as to how long
556
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,466
that body
had been in that river?
557
00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:21,502
We object to that, your honor.
He is not a doctor,
558
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:24,205
and he is not qualified
to testify about that.
559
00:25:24,307 --> 00:25:28,842
He is not qualified as a doctor,
but I think he is qualified.
560
00:25:28,928 --> 00:25:30,427
Overruled.
561
00:25:30,513 --> 00:25:33,347
I would say at least 10 days,
if not 15.
562
00:25:33,382 --> 00:25:34,982
And when the body
was discovered,
563
00:25:35,017 --> 00:25:36,350
how long had it been
since
564
00:25:36,385 --> 00:25:37,818
emmett till
was reported missing?
565
00:25:37,887 --> 00:25:38,986
Three days.
566
00:25:39,021 --> 00:25:40,454
Could you tell whether this was
a white person
567
00:25:40,489 --> 00:25:41,739
or a colored person?
568
00:25:41,791 --> 00:25:43,390
The only way you might able
to tell
569
00:25:43,426 --> 00:25:45,426
it was a colored person
would be the hair,
570
00:25:45,461 --> 00:25:47,695
and I have seen white people
have kinky hair.
571
00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:50,264
And was this body
recognizable to be
572
00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:52,933
that of
any particular person?
573
00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:57,371
Well, if one of my own boys
had been missing,
574
00:25:57,406 --> 00:25:58,839
I really don't think
I could say
575
00:25:58,874 --> 00:26:01,108
whether it was
my son or not.
576
00:26:01,177 --> 00:26:03,677
Or anyone else's.
577
00:26:03,746 --> 00:26:05,679
I couldn't tell that.
578
00:26:05,715 --> 00:26:07,448
All I could tell...
579
00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:09,500
It was a human being.
580
00:26:09,585 --> 00:26:11,252
Your witness.
581
00:26:19,929 --> 00:26:21,478
Mr. Strider,
582
00:26:21,597 --> 00:26:25,399
there was a death certificate
prepared for emmett till,
583
00:26:25,484 --> 00:26:27,818
was there not?
That's right.
584
00:26:27,937 --> 00:26:31,438
And I believe
that you signed
585
00:26:31,524 --> 00:26:33,240
that death certificate,
did you not?
586
00:26:33,326 --> 00:26:34,441
Yes, sir.
587
00:26:34,527 --> 00:26:37,278
And this death certificate
certified the fact
588
00:26:37,363 --> 00:26:39,813
that this body
was that of emmett till,
589
00:26:39,915 --> 00:26:42,649
isn't that correct?
No.
590
00:26:42,752 --> 00:26:45,652
I did not certify
it was emmett till.
591
00:26:45,755 --> 00:26:47,788
I said it was
a dead body.
592
00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:49,590
I never seen emmett till.
593
00:26:49,675 --> 00:26:51,208
I could not swear
it was emmett till
594
00:26:51,294 --> 00:26:53,827
because I didn't know
what he looked like.
595
00:26:53,929 --> 00:26:57,681
♪♪
596
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,336
sheriff, have you made
any investigation to find out
597
00:27:02,438 --> 00:27:03,837
whose body that was?
598
00:27:03,939 --> 00:27:06,774
Who that person was?
599
00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:08,175
I sure have.
600
00:27:08,277 --> 00:27:11,378
What efforts have you made
to find out who that body was?
601
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,398
Well, I got reports
of a negro
602
00:27:14,483 --> 00:27:16,850
who disappeared
over at lambert.
603
00:27:16,952 --> 00:27:19,069
I went over there,
investigated that,
604
00:27:19,155 --> 00:27:22,189
and one man'd tell you
he saw him,
605
00:27:22,291 --> 00:27:23,240
and another man'd tell you
606
00:27:23,326 --> 00:27:25,626
that someone told him
that they saw him,
607
00:27:25,711 --> 00:27:26,994
and then somebody else'd
tell you
608
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,129
that somebody else
knew something about it,
609
00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,999
and you'd just end up
right back where you started.
610
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:34,468
But you have no information
whatsoever to indicate
611
00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:36,637
whose body that was?
612
00:27:36,722 --> 00:27:42,042
You have not gotten
any information about that?
613
00:27:42,144 --> 00:27:44,144
♪♪
614
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:46,063
no, I have not.
615
00:27:46,182 --> 00:27:53,270
♪♪
616
00:27:53,356 --> 00:27:55,272
so she agreed to go
to the jail?
617
00:27:55,358 --> 00:27:58,242
Mm-hmm.
As long we can
get her in safely.
618
00:27:58,361 --> 00:27:59,743
Which is where you come in.
619
00:27:59,862 --> 00:28:02,413
We need you to go
to chatham again.
620
00:28:02,531 --> 00:28:03,747
Get him to authorize
a search
621
00:28:03,866 --> 00:28:05,399
while there's still time
to introduce new witnesses.
622
00:28:05,501 --> 00:28:06,750
The prosecution rested.
623
00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:08,919
They've already moved on
to the defense.
624
00:28:09,038 --> 00:28:12,089
[ sighs ]
okay, uh...
625
00:28:12,208 --> 00:28:13,257
We need to try anyway.
626
00:28:13,376 --> 00:28:15,008
The judge could make
an exception.
627
00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:16,794
We're talking about
two potential eyewitnesses
628
00:28:16,879 --> 00:28:18,379
to the actual murder.
629
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,764
We just need someone
to bring them in.
630
00:28:23,219 --> 00:28:24,918
I'm sorry that you
and your compatriots
631
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:26,804
went to all that trouble,
mr. Packton,
632
00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:30,124
but those men are not
in the charleston jail.
633
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:31,308
What?
How do you know?
634
00:28:31,343 --> 00:28:34,094
Because I took it upon myself
to have it searched,
635
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:35,996
along with the jail
in sunflower county,
636
00:28:36,031 --> 00:28:37,765
right after I received
the letter you passed along
637
00:28:37,833 --> 00:28:38,899
from dr. Howard.
638
00:28:38,934 --> 00:28:40,901
You suspected
they were being held?
639
00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:45,038
No, but there was mention
of two men named levi collins
640
00:28:45,074 --> 00:28:46,974
and henry lee loggins
and that they were missing,
641
00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:48,809
so I didn't want to leave
any stone unturned.
642
00:28:48,844 --> 00:28:50,778
Both searches, however,
came up empty,
643
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:52,246
according to
my investigators,
644
00:28:52,281 --> 00:28:53,914
and both sheriffs
raised hell about it.
645
00:28:53,949 --> 00:28:57,334
But if the men were being
held under false names,
646
00:28:57,369 --> 00:28:58,886
how can you be sure
they weren't there?
647
00:28:58,921 --> 00:29:01,922
Loggins' wife should still
be allowed to check.
648
00:29:02,024 --> 00:29:04,391
My investigators
are thorough,
649
00:29:04,427 --> 00:29:06,226
and butting heads
with sheriff strider again
650
00:29:06,262 --> 00:29:08,762
is not going to do
my case any good.
651
00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:10,431
Thank you for coming in.
652
00:29:10,499 --> 00:29:13,133
[ tense music plays ]
653
00:29:13,202 --> 00:29:19,039
♪♪
654
00:29:19,141 --> 00:29:22,676
you know, if this really is
the last case of your career,
655
00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:24,061
you sure you'll be able
to live with yourself,
656
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:25,596
knowing that you might have let
the only witnesses
657
00:29:25,681 --> 00:29:28,649
to the crime
slip right through your fingers?
658
00:29:28,751 --> 00:29:43,096
♪♪
breland: Mrs. Bryant,
I direct your attention
659
00:29:43,165 --> 00:29:44,731
to Wednesday night,
the 24th of August.
660
00:29:44,834 --> 00:29:46,633
Who was in the store
with you that night?
661
00:29:46,719 --> 00:29:47,968
Chatham: If the court pleases,
we object
662
00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:49,720
to anything that happened
on that evening
663
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,239
unless it is connected
to the crime in question,
664
00:29:52,341 --> 00:29:55,342
which began on Sunday morning,
the 28th.
665
00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:57,094
Well, we will connect it.
666
00:30:01,684 --> 00:30:03,350
The court would ask the jury
to retire
667
00:30:03,435 --> 00:30:04,985
to the jury room
for a moment.
668
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:08,121
[ chairs sliding, shuffling ]
669
00:30:22,254 --> 00:30:25,873
now, the court will permit both
sides to address the question
670
00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:27,140
as to whether or not
this testimony
671
00:30:27,243 --> 00:30:29,409
will be permissible
before the jury.
672
00:30:29,512 --> 00:30:32,846
[ clears throat ]
your honor, the state argued
673
00:30:32,932 --> 00:30:34,848
that one of the men
who came to the home
674
00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:37,768
of mose wright on August 28th
wanted to see the boy
675
00:30:37,887 --> 00:30:39,186
who did the talking at money.
676
00:30:39,271 --> 00:30:42,222
Now, the state raised inferences
which the defendants believe
677
00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:46,259
they are entitled to explain
and to show what happened.
678
00:30:46,362 --> 00:30:49,112
And further, we believe that
these occurrences are a part
679
00:30:49,231 --> 00:30:52,366
of what the state alleges
is one entire transaction --
680
00:30:52,451 --> 00:30:54,768
the beginning and the inception
of the incident.
681
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:57,404
And as much, the occurrences
there on that occasion
682
00:30:57,489 --> 00:30:58,939
are a part of
the res gestae --
683
00:30:59,041 --> 00:31:01,825
the circumstances --
which relate to the case.
684
00:31:01,911 --> 00:31:03,493
And as such, the defendants
should be permitted
685
00:31:03,579 --> 00:31:06,463
to offer testimony
in that particular.
686
00:31:06,582 --> 00:31:09,750
Chatham: Our proof started
with the occurrences
687
00:31:09,785 --> 00:31:12,152
early Sunday morning,
when two or more persons
688
00:31:12,187 --> 00:31:14,888
came to mose wright's house
to get the boy.
689
00:31:14,924 --> 00:31:17,457
We offered no proof
of anything prior,
690
00:31:17,493 --> 00:31:20,527
and mrs. Bryant wasn't brought
into this whatsoever.
691
00:31:20,563 --> 00:31:22,162
And I think I can say that
692
00:31:22,197 --> 00:31:25,065
her name was never
mentioned in this case.
693
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,633
Your honor, the supreme court
of mississippi
694
00:31:26,669 --> 00:31:28,769
has many times held
that former difficulties
695
00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,138
between parties cannot be
brought in as evidence.
696
00:31:31,173 --> 00:31:33,774
And further, we contend that
anything that happened
697
00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:36,276
down there is no justification
for murder anyway.
698
00:31:36,312 --> 00:31:39,313
Your honor, I would like
to call attention to the fact
699
00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:41,398
that the supreme court
has ruled
700
00:31:41,517 --> 00:31:43,984
that an incident
may be separated by days,
701
00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:47,387
and by weeks even, but if they
can be connected as part
702
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,523
or partial
of a man's transaction,
703
00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:50,941
then it doesn't mean
that these things
704
00:31:51,026 --> 00:31:53,076
must all happen
right together.
705
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:56,363
[ clears throat ]
706
00:31:58,751 --> 00:32:01,168
gentlemen, the court is of
the opinion
707
00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:02,603
that the testimony
being offered here
708
00:32:02,705 --> 00:32:06,106
pertains to an incident
prior to the crime in question.
709
00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:08,342
Therefore, it is
not admissible for the jury.
710
00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,461
[ crowd murmuring ]
711
00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:15,382
[ murmuring quiets ]
712
00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:16,883
breland: Your honor, we still
would like to develop
713
00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:19,386
this testimony
for the sake of the record.
714
00:32:22,391 --> 00:32:24,641
The court will allow it,
for the sake of the record,
715
00:32:24,727 --> 00:32:27,027
not for the jury.
716
00:32:27,112 --> 00:32:29,646
You may proceed.
717
00:32:29,732 --> 00:32:31,148
Mrs. Bryant,
718
00:32:31,233 --> 00:32:34,451
on Wednesday evening,
the 24th day of August, 1955,
719
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:38,789
did an incident occur
which made an impression on you?
720
00:32:38,907 --> 00:32:40,807
Yes.
721
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:43,493
And just tell the court
what happened there at the time,
722
00:32:43,579 --> 00:32:45,245
please, ma'am.
723
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,915
This nigger man
came in the store
724
00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:50,950
and stopped there
at the candy case.
725
00:32:51,053 --> 00:32:52,786
Now, when this negro man
came in the store,
726
00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,120
where were you in the store?
727
00:32:54,223 --> 00:32:57,758
I was farther back in the store,
behind the counter.
728
00:32:57,843 --> 00:33:00,594
Now, what transpired up there
at the candy counter?
729
00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:04,798
I asked him
what he wanted.
730
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,400
And did he tell you?
Yes.
731
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:08,185
And after you got
the merchandise for him,
732
00:33:08,270 --> 00:33:09,186
what did you do?
733
00:33:09,271 --> 00:33:10,988
I held out my hand
for his money.
734
00:33:11,106 --> 00:33:13,073
And which hand
did you hold out?
735
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:14,324
My right hand.
736
00:33:14,443 --> 00:33:16,910
Will you show the court
how you held your hand out?
737
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:22,699
And did he give you
the money?
738
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,255
No.
What did he do?
739
00:33:28,323 --> 00:33:29,723
He caught my hand.
740
00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:30,691
[ crowd murmuring ]
741
00:33:30,726 --> 00:33:32,125
[ gavel bangs ]
742
00:33:32,194 --> 00:33:34,494
[ murmuring quiets ]
743
00:33:34,563 --> 00:33:36,096
now, will you, uh --
will you show the court
744
00:33:36,131 --> 00:33:37,631
how he grasped your hand?
745
00:33:38,734 --> 00:33:40,834
[ crowd murmuring ]
746
00:33:40,869 --> 00:33:42,903
and was that a-a strong grip
or a light grip
747
00:33:42,938 --> 00:33:45,238
he had when he, uh,
held your hand?
748
00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:46,707
A strong grip.
749
00:33:46,809 --> 00:33:47,674
Hmm.
750
00:33:47,743 --> 00:33:48,909
How'd you get loose?
751
00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:51,678
Well, I-I jerked it loose,
like this.
752
00:33:51,714 --> 00:33:54,498
[ crowd murmuring,
gavel banging ]
753
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:57,317
quiet! Quiet!
754
00:33:57,352 --> 00:33:59,286
And was it with that much
difficulty that you --
755
00:33:59,354 --> 00:34:00,220
that you got loose?
756
00:34:00,289 --> 00:34:01,705
Yes.
757
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:03,790
[ inhales deeply ]
758
00:34:03,826 --> 00:34:09,196
and just what did he say
when he grabbed your hand?
759
00:34:09,231 --> 00:34:12,232
He said, "how about a date,
baby?"
760
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:13,166
[ crowd murmuring ]
761
00:34:13,202 --> 00:34:14,601
quiet!
[ gavel banging ]
762
00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:16,436
quiet!
Chatham: Your honor!
763
00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:19,389
Your honor!
764
00:34:19,425 --> 00:34:20,357
That is enough.
765
00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:23,210
[ gavel banging ]
766
00:34:23,278 --> 00:34:24,711
that's enough.
767
00:34:24,747 --> 00:34:26,363
[ crowd murmuring quietly ]
768
00:34:30,085 --> 00:34:33,420
and when you freed yourself,
what did you do then?
769
00:34:36,125 --> 00:34:39,009
Well, I turned and tried to get
to the back of the store,
770
00:34:39,128 --> 00:34:43,180
but he came at me
and caught me by the register.
771
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:47,467
Mrs. Bryant,
will you stand up
772
00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:51,772
and put my hands
just where he grasped you?
773
00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:54,357
Will --
will you show the court?
774
00:34:54,476 --> 00:34:57,360
[ suspenseful music plays ]
775
00:34:57,479 --> 00:35:02,983
♪♪
776
00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:08,572
♪♪
777
00:35:08,657 --> 00:35:10,540
[ crowd murmuring,
gavel banging ]
778
00:35:10,659 --> 00:35:12,409
order!
779
00:35:12,494 --> 00:35:14,244
In other words,
with his, uh --
780
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:17,798
his left arm
around your back?
781
00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:22,836
A-and his right hand
on your hip?
[ crowd murmuring ]
782
00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:24,087
[ gavel bangs ]
783
00:35:24,173 --> 00:35:25,639
order.
784
00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:27,040
Yes.
785
00:35:27,142 --> 00:35:28,875
Uh-huh.
786
00:35:28,977 --> 00:35:30,677
Um...
787
00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:31,878
♪♪
788
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:33,480
please.
789
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:43,106
♪♪
790
00:35:43,192 --> 00:35:47,577
and did he say anything to you
at that time
791
00:35:47,696 --> 00:35:50,063
when he grabbed you there?
792
00:35:50,165 --> 00:35:51,198
Yes.
793
00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:54,034
He said, "what's the matter,
baby?
794
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,837
Can't you take it?"
795
00:35:56,872 --> 00:35:57,904
he said, "what's the matter,
baby?
796
00:35:57,973 --> 00:35:59,840
Can't you take it?"
797
00:35:59,942 --> 00:36:02,475
yes.
798
00:36:02,511 --> 00:36:05,645
And did you then
try to free yourself?
799
00:36:05,714 --> 00:36:07,046
Yes.
And was it difficult?
800
00:36:07,065 --> 00:36:09,349
Did you succeed
in freeing yourself?
801
00:36:09,418 --> 00:36:10,500
[voice breaking] yes.
802
00:36:10,536 --> 00:36:13,119
And did he say anything further
to you at that time?
803
00:36:13,155 --> 00:36:15,322
Yes. He said...
[ sobs ]
804
00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:18,558
"you needn't
be afraid of me."
805
00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:23,230
and -- and did he then use, uh,
language that you don't use?
806
00:36:23,298 --> 00:36:24,531
Yes.
Hmm.
807
00:36:24,566 --> 00:36:29,569
And can you tell the court
what that word begins with --
808
00:36:29,605 --> 00:36:31,838
what letter it begins with?
809
00:36:31,907 --> 00:36:34,774
♪♪
810
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:37,510
oh, in other words,
it is an unprintable word?
811
00:36:37,579 --> 00:36:39,679
♪♪
812
00:36:39,748 --> 00:36:40,981
yes.
813
00:36:41,016 --> 00:36:44,150
And did he say anything after
that one unprintable word?
814
00:36:44,219 --> 00:36:46,086
♪♪
815
00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:48,521
yes, he said, well...
816
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:50,223
[ sobs ]
817
00:36:50,292 --> 00:36:52,342
"with white women before."
818
00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:54,361
[ crowd murmuring ]
819
00:36:54,396 --> 00:36:56,196
something to the effect
that he had been
820
00:36:56,265 --> 00:36:58,731
with white women before?
821
00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:01,301
Yes.
822
00:37:01,336 --> 00:37:04,871
And after you, uh,
freed yourself from him,
823
00:37:04,907 --> 00:37:06,289
what did you do then?
824
00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:08,441
♪♪
825
00:37:08,477 --> 00:37:10,877
well, this other nigger came in
and grabbed him by the arm
826
00:37:10,913 --> 00:37:13,246
and told him to "come on,"
and, "let's go."
827
00:37:13,282 --> 00:37:15,615
did he go, uh,
willingly or unwillingly?
828
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,517
Unwillingly.
829
00:37:17,552 --> 00:37:19,286
And did he say
anything further to you
830
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:23,490
after he had said
these obscene remarks?
831
00:37:23,525 --> 00:37:26,860
Yes. He turned and said,
"goodbye."
832
00:37:26,895 --> 00:37:28,561
and what did you do then?
833
00:37:28,597 --> 00:37:32,232
I ran out the door
to go to the car.
834
00:37:32,267 --> 00:37:33,867
Which car?
Mrs. Milam's.
835
00:37:33,902 --> 00:37:35,101
And what did you go
to the car for?
836
00:37:35,137 --> 00:37:36,303
To get the pistol.
837
00:37:36,338 --> 00:37:37,220
Crowd: That's right!
Yeah!
838
00:37:37,306 --> 00:37:38,605
[ gavel bangs ]
839
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,340
[ indistinct conversations ]
840
00:37:40,409 --> 00:37:42,726
[ gavel bangs ]
841
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:45,161
[ clears throat ]
842
00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:46,579
as you went through the door
and went to the car,
843
00:37:46,615 --> 00:37:48,715
did you see
this man again?
844
00:37:48,784 --> 00:37:50,050
Yes.
845
00:37:50,118 --> 00:37:54,220
And did he say or do
anything at that time?
846
00:37:54,289 --> 00:37:56,790
[weakly] he whistled.
847
00:37:56,825 --> 00:38:00,060
Can you make a sound
something like the whistle
848
00:38:00,128 --> 00:38:02,028
he made there?
849
00:38:02,097 --> 00:38:02,963
Hmm?
850
00:38:02,998 --> 00:38:04,698
Well, was it something
like this?
851
00:38:04,733 --> 00:38:06,032
[ wolf whistles ]
852
00:38:06,101 --> 00:38:08,234
[ crowd groans ]
853
00:38:08,303 --> 00:38:09,970
yes.
854
00:38:10,005 --> 00:38:12,088
After you got
your pistol, mrs. Bryant,
855
00:38:12,174 --> 00:38:13,206
where was this boy then?
856
00:38:13,241 --> 00:38:16,710
Or I should say --
where was this man?
857
00:38:16,745 --> 00:38:19,179
When I turned around,
he was getting in a car
858
00:38:19,247 --> 00:38:21,381
down the road.
859
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:22,849
Mrs. Bryant...
860
00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:25,635
♪♪
861
00:38:25,687 --> 00:38:28,588
...What sort of impression
did this occurrence make on you?
862
00:38:28,657 --> 00:38:31,358
♪♪
863
00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,159
I was just
scared to death.
864
00:38:33,261 --> 00:38:36,463
♪♪
865
00:38:36,498 --> 00:38:39,466
your honor, we submit
the testimony's relevant
866
00:38:39,501 --> 00:38:42,302
to remove from the minds
of the jury the impression
867
00:38:42,337 --> 00:38:44,971
that nothing but talk
had occurred in money.
868
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,042
♪♪
869
00:38:49,111 --> 00:38:52,045
it remains the opinion
of this court
870
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,447
that the evidence
is not admissible.
871
00:38:54,483 --> 00:38:56,950
Therefore...
[ crowd murmuring ]
872
00:38:56,985 --> 00:38:59,519
I will have order!
873
00:38:59,554 --> 00:39:03,757
Therefore, the jury will not
hear this testimony.
874
00:39:03,825 --> 00:39:04,724
[ crowd murmuring ]
875
00:39:04,826 --> 00:39:06,626
[ gavel banging ]
876
00:39:06,695 --> 00:39:08,528
[ indistinct conversations ]
877
00:39:08,597 --> 00:39:10,013
that's enough.
878
00:39:10,132 --> 00:39:16,619
♪♪
879
00:39:16,738 --> 00:39:30,400
♪♪
mamie:
How dare that woman!
880
00:39:30,485 --> 00:39:32,235
How dare she swear on
a holy bible to tell the truth,
881
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,156
only to -- to spout horrific
lies about a child!
882
00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:38,625
A child that she knows
is dead because of her!
883
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:41,127
A child they strategically
referred to as a "man."
884
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:43,747
those lawyers never even
showed her a picture of bo.
885
00:39:43,832 --> 00:39:45,415
That was deliberate.
On one hand,
886
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,167
bryant and milam
claim they let him go
887
00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:48,501
because it wasn't the boy
from the store.
888
00:39:48,587 --> 00:39:50,470
On the other hand,
the wife says it was,
889
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:52,205
so he deserved
what he got.
890
00:39:52,307 --> 00:39:53,206
It doesn't make sense.
891
00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,975
None of it does.
892
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,762
Every word of it
was a lie!
893
00:39:58,847 --> 00:40:01,181
And -- and the whistling,
on top of everything else!
894
00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:04,484
My -- my son would never whistle
at a white woman.
895
00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:05,902
I taught him better.
896
00:40:06,021 --> 00:40:06,986
At least the judge
kept the jury
897
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,689
from hearing
those theatrics.
898
00:40:09,775 --> 00:40:14,861
The only reason he would whistle
is because of his stutter.
899
00:40:14,946 --> 00:40:18,198
I taught him to do that
if he got stuck on a word.
900
00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:20,583
So even if he did whistle,
901
00:40:20,702 --> 00:40:22,752
he wouldn't have been
whistling at her.
902
00:40:22,871 --> 00:40:25,455
Sweetheart, what difference
does it make?
903
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:28,007
It still doesn't justify
what they did to him.
904
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,098
I tried so hard to say
the right things in there
905
00:40:35,217 --> 00:40:37,600
and to act the right way.
906
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,419
None of it even mattered,
did it?
907
00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:42,472
Nothing I said could have
changed a thing,
908
00:40:42,557 --> 00:40:45,308
because they were
never going to listen.
909
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:48,394
And I was a fool to hope
that they would.
910
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,197
♪♪
911
00:40:51,283 --> 00:40:56,269
♪♪
912
00:40:56,371 --> 00:40:59,272
[ indistinct conversations ]
913
00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:00,740
♪♪
914
00:41:00,826 --> 00:41:02,041
whiskey neat, please.
915
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,610
Double.
916
00:41:03,712 --> 00:41:11,501
♪♪
917
00:41:11,586 --> 00:41:13,419
[ liquid pouring ]
918
00:41:15,924 --> 00:41:17,006
[ glass taps ]
919
00:41:17,092 --> 00:41:20,793
♪♪
920
00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:22,645
man:
Then he chased her down,
921
00:41:22,764 --> 00:41:25,965
grabbed her
right around the waist,
922
00:41:26,067 --> 00:41:27,800
and he surely would have done
much worse, too,
923
00:41:27,903 --> 00:41:29,652
if she'd not had
the courage to fight back.
924
00:41:29,771 --> 00:41:31,938
Thank god she did.
925
00:41:32,023 --> 00:41:34,491
The next girl might not be
so lucky, though.
926
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:36,826
The fact of the matter is that
the threat from the north
927
00:41:36,945 --> 00:41:39,312
is greater now
than ever before.
928
00:41:39,414 --> 00:41:41,748
Which is why we must come
together and pledge our lives,
929
00:41:41,833 --> 00:41:44,033
our fortunes,
and our sacred honors
930
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,837
so that our way of life
is not destroyed.
931
00:41:47,956 --> 00:41:50,790
And if those two boys
are convicted tomorrow,
932
00:41:50,876 --> 00:41:56,462
by god, it will be destroyed,
and all of us with it.
933
00:41:56,548 --> 00:42:06,439
♪♪
934
00:42:06,525 --> 00:42:09,442
[ crying ]
935
00:42:09,528 --> 00:42:14,647
♪♪
936
00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:15,949
[ sniffles ]
937
00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:22,238
♪♪
938
00:42:22,324 --> 00:42:23,656
[ exclaims ]
939
00:42:23,742 --> 00:42:26,075
♪♪
940
00:42:26,161 --> 00:42:30,363
[ shrieking ]
941
00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:31,664
♪♪
942
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:34,667
[ sobbing ]
943
00:42:34,753 --> 00:42:38,638
♪♪
944
00:42:38,723 --> 00:42:41,641
[ breathing shakily ]
945
00:42:41,726 --> 00:42:50,650
♪♪
946
00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:59,659
♪♪
947
00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:01,327
[ sniffles ]
948
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:08,785
♪♪
949
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:16,242
♪♪
950
00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:18,261
[ crying ]
951
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:26,302
♪♪
952
00:43:26,388 --> 00:43:29,322
[ sobs ]
953
00:43:29,424 --> 00:43:31,774
♪♪
954
00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:32,959
[ whimpers ]
955
00:43:33,061 --> 00:43:39,098
♪♪
956
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,317
[ wails ]
957
00:43:41,403 --> 00:43:44,988
♪♪
958
00:43:45,073 --> 00:43:47,991
[ fire crackling ]
959
00:43:48,076 --> 00:43:55,131
♪♪
960
00:43:55,250 --> 00:44:02,255
♪♪
961
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:05,258
[ indistinct conversations ]
962
00:44:05,343 --> 00:44:17,937
♪♪