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       ♪tender ethereal music♪      

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       [Orna VO] Most couples       
    therapies are around crises,    

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        and helping a couple        
        unpack a certain...         

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 pattern that they got stuck in.   

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                 ♪♪♪                

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           It can become            
           like a vortex,           

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          around which the          
          couple revolves.          

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                 ♪♪♪                

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       So what I try to do is       
 figure out what else is there.    

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                 ♪♪♪                

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       And that scares people.      

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     But there's a saying in the    
 couples therapy world that to do 

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         real work, you have        
         to block the exits,        

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            and stay in.            

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                -Hi!                
                -Hi!                

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              -Hello!               
               -Yay!                

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      [Orna VO] So you have to      
      tolerate a lot of messy,      

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        confusing, scary, and       
        inappropriate things.       

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                 ♪♪♪                

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 Otherwise, you're not...          

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 touching new material.            

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                 ♪♪♪                

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             [Jessica]              
               Okay.                

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            -Bye, guys!             
        -[Boris] Thank you.         

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          -[Jessica] Bye.           
               -Bye.                

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            [whispering]            
             Thank you.             

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               [kiss]               

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             [Orna VO]              
 So we have a little bit of a...   

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        puzzle to solve here        
       with Boris and Jessica.      

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              [Eyal VO]             
                Yeah.               

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         I did not expect           
      what they came in with,       

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                 basically saying, 
                  you know, like,   

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            a fairytale.            

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 With a prince and a king, even.   

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            -[chuckles]             
        -[Orna] Yeah, right!        

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                             [Ken] 
                             Yeah. 

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                  Boris is saying   
                 that he actually, 

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       in the background, was       
       planning this whole...       

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      birthday party for her,       

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              and then somehow,     
           in the way he did this, 

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         he managed to kind of      
      really turn things around... 

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 Mm-hm.                            

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   [Orna] Which, in turn, made her 
    suddenly able to listen to his 

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 plight completely differently... 

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               Mm-hm.               

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     And that's all she needed.     

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                      [Jessica]     
                   No cannonballs! 

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           [girl shrieks]           

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 [Boris]                           
   Whoo!                            

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           [girl laughs]            

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 Again!                            

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         My thought is that         

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         his partner asked          
          him to leave...           

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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           And he didn't.           

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       And maybe that already       
    demonstrated something about    

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           his commitment.          

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     [Orna VO] So you're saying     
    maybe him not leaving was the   

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         therapeutic agent?         

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           At least the             
      beginning of something.       

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                            [Kali] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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           But do you think the     
         story continues that way? 

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      This Happy-- Happyland?       

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         -[Eyal] I think...         
            -[chuckles]             

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 Ye-- yeah!                        

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         I think there's a          
       good chance because...       

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             [grumbles]             

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     She initiated the              
 tragic end of the story,          

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          and he refused.           

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 That's my--                       

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              I get where-- you     
           know, it's significant. 

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      I think it's-- it was an      
   important thing that happened.   

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    But I just am too much of a     
 skeptic and believe in patterns, 

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             -like...               
            -[Eyal] Mm.             

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   This is gonna come back again.   

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               Yeah.                

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                 None of you are    
               buying their story. 

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        [chuckling] Are you         
        buying their story?         

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     Maybe they wanted to take      
     control of the narrative.      

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                            [Orna] 
                             Yes.   

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      And why shouldn't they?       

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 It doesn't make it fake!          

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                            [Nuar] 
                             No.    

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               But I don't think    
              it's the full story. 

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        It's real right now,        

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        but my thing is that I get 
       worried when couples think, 

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           "We're cured!"           

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 [Nuar]                            
 Yeah.                             

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 But he did something to           
 avert that immediate--            

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          Very tragic end.          

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 [Eyal]                            
 Yeah.                             

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      Maybe it's still coming,      
      but he did postpone it.       

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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     I think I would say that...    

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 the key to unlock the misery is   
 to break out of narcissism --     

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      is to, like, put yourself     
     outside of yourself towards    

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           another person.          

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              [Eyal VO]             
                Yes.                

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         [Orna VO] And that         
      act of generosity, like,      

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          made it possible          
         for her to see him.        

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              [Kali VO]             
                Yeah!               

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        ♪upbeat tender music♪       

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 [Orna VO] I was happy for them    
 that they got to a better place, 

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      but the truth is, they...     

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    did the opposite of therapy.    

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                 ♪♪♪                

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          It was not about          
          talking for them.         

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         ♪chill funky music♪        

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 [Nick] I just really appreciate   
   you unlocking this for me...     

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              -Mm-hm.               
           -And kinda...            

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 [inhales deeply]                  

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           giving me the            
       space to open it up...       

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          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            
         -[Nick] And talk.          

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                 ♪♪♪                

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        The whole experience        
      revolved around my shame      

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          and some abstract         
       fear about masculinity,      

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    and then that lived with me     
 for 20 or 25 years and has been   

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            eating me up.           

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               But...               

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    I feel like this is not a big   
    deal [chuckles] in many ways.   

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    All my friends will support     
 me, my family will support me,    

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        and the more I talk         
     about it, the more it's...     

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             minimized.             

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              [Orna VO]             
         So how are you two?        

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           -Pretty good.            
           -Pretty good.            

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          I think we had a          
      stressful morning, so...      

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           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           
               -Um...               

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              just...               

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 in-car fight, but we're okay.     

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                   "In-car fight?" 

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        Yeah, just                  
 small, but we're okay.            

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          -[Orna] Uh-huh.           
              -Yeah.                

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   But I do think that we're        
 bouncing back from things...      

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 [Orna]                            
 Mm-hm.                            

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                           Better. 

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                       [Katherine] 
                          Yeah.     

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    You know, we had an argument    
    -- a pretty big argument --     

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       the other day, and...        

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         I hadn't told her          
         something about...         

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    this thing, and she'd found     
   out about it and it was, like,   

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      a breach of trust, and        
    she was really angry at me.     

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                  [inhales deeply] 

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                             Um... 

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      Do you wanna talk             
 about that, what happened?        

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          -[softly] Yeah.           
     -Do you think it's useful?     

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        Yeah, like, I mean--        

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                [Nick]              
    Then let's just talk about it. 

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                         Whatever. 

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       -[clears throat] Um...       
           -C'est la vie.           

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           [both chuckle]           

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                             Um... 

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             I mean, I took in the 
              mail the other day,   

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        and I-- there was a         
      tax return from FanDuel,      

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         which is a online          
         sports gambling,           

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 and, um, there was a              
 large amount of money             

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 in the tax return...              

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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 As earnings.                      

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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 And, um...                        

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 I-- I confronted                  
 him; I was like,                  

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          "What is this?"           

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 [Orna]                            
 Mm-hm.                            

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     "Have you been gambling?"      

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                        And, um... 

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                   he said, "Yes." 

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                            And... 

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    you didn't tell me about this, 
      so obviously, you knew...     

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        -[inhales sharply]          
    -That this was something...     

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                  [exhales deeply] 

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     -You shouldn't be doing...     
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

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   Because you would've told me.    

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    Meaning it's risky for you.     
 I mean, it's risky for anyone... 

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      It's risky because, you       
     know, he's in recovery...      

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        -[Orna] Yeah, yeah.         
       -From gambling, and...       

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     [chuckling] I was              
 like, "What's going on?"          

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              -Like...              
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

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         -[inhales sharply]         
               -Um...               

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     I was just really angry,       
   and I fel-- I also felt like,    

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    you know, we've been doing      
 all this work around trust and,   

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          like, we've been          
      coming here and, like...      

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   and you still didn't tell me?    

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             You know?              

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     Like, what is that about?      

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    And it's a few days before,     
      like, our last session.       

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              -Like...              
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

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    You know, you've had plenty     
 of opportunities to tell me you   

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 were doing this, and that I have 
   to find out by opening a piece   

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 of mail that, like...             

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 If I hadn't seen that, he         
   never would've told me,          

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 and I never would've known.       

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    And he was very apologetic,     
    but then sort of was like,      

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       "Well, your shopping         
   addiction is the same thing."    

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                            Mm-hm. 

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 It became that...                 

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        -[Orna] Comparison.         
        -Comparison thing...        

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           -[Orna] Yeah.            
        -That, like, I hate.        

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                Well, I mean,       
           forget the comparisons; 

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           it never goes anywhere. 

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            [Katherine]             
                No.                 

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         But then, he-- he          
      shifted a little bit...       

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          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            
        -And he was like...         

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      started talking about...      

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 I guess the place where he comes 
 from that makes him wanna do it. 

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                             Yeah. 

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 Just to clarify all of that --    
 'cause I think it needs to be     

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            clarified -- like, in   
           the past with gambling, 

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 it was, like, addictive, like... 

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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     "I need to...be playing--"     
       like, "I need to win,        

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         and then it's all          
      gonna solve everything,"      

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       and then I would do it       
        and I would go back.        

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       And this is-- this is,       
         like, literally...         

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     spending like 30 dollars on    
   Sundays to win a million-dollar 

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           -tournament...           
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

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        With 400,000 people in it, 

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   and I happened to                
 come in fifth place.              

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               Mm-hm.               

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     And so it's sort of            
 like an alcoholic saying,         

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      -"I can have one drink!"      
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

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        I know you're not really    
      supposed to, like, go there, 

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            but it is very much... 

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                             that. 

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          And so for me, it has     
        been that sort of, like... 

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    "That would solve everything." 

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               [Orna]               
               Mm-hm.               

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                         You know? 

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              -Um...                
           -[Orna] Yeah.            

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   That, I understand, and that,    
 the two of you will keep talking 

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          -about it and...          
         -[Katherine] Yeah.         

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       Living with and having       
    your relationship with that.    

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              -I'm...               
              -Yeah.                

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    For our purposes, I'm           
 more interested in what--         

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   -how the conversation goes...    
          -[Nick] Right.            

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             -On this.              
    -[Nick] Right, right, right.    

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    I think I was surprised, when   
   we laid down the next night and 

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        -talked about it...         
          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            

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           I was surprised at how   
          she didn't say anything, 

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                   and she just... 

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             -listened.             
              -Mm-hm.               

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    The ability to give me the      
    room to do that was, like--     

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            I was super             
         grateful for that.         

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                And I feel like... 

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        that's what I need.         

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 I mean, in many ways,             
     I feel relieved                

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   -that Katherine found that...    
          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            

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     And that, like, we're just... 

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              talking about it,     
            because, I don't know, 

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 I just think it's really          
   healthy that, like...            

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       this stuff is out in         
       the open and, like...        

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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    I mean, now we really don't     
    have any secrets, I guess.      

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                    Now it's done! 

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   I mean, there's nothing left.    

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            -[chuckles]             
           -There's no...           

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                  there's no more. 

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               -Yeah.               
             -Is there?             

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          -[chuckling] No.          
         -I'm just kidding.         

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      So how are you leaving?       

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 How has this whole experience... 

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           been for you?            

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           -Really hard.            
            -[chuckles]             

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               Mm-hm.               

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        Yeah, like, I mean,         
      I think coming in, like,      

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      I knew that we just have      
       been stuck in, like...       

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 these patterns and...             
         [sighs]                    

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      I feel us, like, opening      
      up out of those patterns      

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 and, like, I-- I think we've...   

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 become much closer.               

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                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

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       [Katherine] I mean, I        
   think we're both kind of like,   

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            "What now?"             

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    Like, "How do we continue?"     

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                            Mm-hm. 

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 I mean, it's a lot                
 of things for me.                 

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        I f-- I feel like...        

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    -it's just the beginning...     
              -Mm-hm.               

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    [Nick] And, like, "Okay,        
 let's get [chuckles] started"     

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         -in a lot of ways.         
               -Yeah.               

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 What did you say?                 

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         What kind of therapy were 
          you recommending for me? 

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          You need to get           
        into psychoanalysis.        

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    -[Katherine] Psychoanalysis.    
      -[Nick] Psychoanalysis.       

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         -That is, like...          
    -[Nick] That's gonna happen.    

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             -For sure.             
        -[Katherine laughs]         

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    [Nick]                          
 I'm very--                        

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         That, [chuckling]          
     you're getting a referral.     

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        I'm curious and excited     
      about that opportunity and-- 

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    Yeah, you're gonna love it.     

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        It's gonna be super         
        interesting for you.        

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    [Nick]                          
 Yeah, yeah.                       

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               Yeah.                

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 I feel like the one thing that    
 I'll walk away with is, like,     

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             being able             
          to just be like,          

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          "Hey, I'm going           
      through something hard.       

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      -Can you give me a hug?"      
              -Mm-hm.               

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 [Nick] Like, "This is what's      
 happening to me right now,"       

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 and, like, just that              
 simplicity of, like,              

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 finding the words                 
 for what we need.                 

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 [Orna]                            
 Yeah.                             

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 But it seems to me like you're    
   both very good at hearing...     

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       when the other person        
      speaks from that place.       

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              -Mm-hm.               
              -Mm-hm.               

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          You have plenty of        
     goodwill to offer each other, 

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        plenty of real love.        

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 [Nick]                            
 Mm-hm.                            

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           And, like, that's so... 

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              simple.               

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                     [Orna]         
               Yeah, but it's big. 

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           -But it's big.           
           -[Orna] Yeah.            

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                             Yeah. 

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 So--                              

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            It's a very             
      different way of living.      

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 [Nick]                            
 Yeah.                             

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                            It is. 

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        ♪mellow synth music♪        

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    [Orna VO] Sometimes there's a   
 glass ceiling on what you can do 

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       as a couples therapist       
       because there's, like,       

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         serious individual         
     work that needs to happen,     

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          either with both          
         people or just one.        

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    For Nick, he ended with this    
    feeling that his own journey    

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     -is-- is just beginning...     
            -Just begun.            

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                  And, over the     
               course of our work, 

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    became quite interested and     
 excited about the possibility of 

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          more individual therapy. 

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           That's great.            

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   So I feel a little win on that. 

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             -[laughs]              
        -[Virginia] Totally.        

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           [Luna laughs]            

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      [Orna VO] I think it will     
 make a huge difference for them. 

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           [Luna laughs]            

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                 ♪♪♪                

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 You wanna go for walks?           

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 You wanna go to Orna's?           

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                 ♪♪♪                

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        What are ya thinkin'?       

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        You wanna meet Nico?        

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             You wanna?             

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             And Orna?              

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              You do?               

341
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              -Hello!               
       -Orna, this is Peanut!       

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               -Hi!                 
        -Peanut, meet Nico!         

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        [chuckling]                 
 They just walk right by.          

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              [Alison]              
                Hi!                 

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                             Okay? 

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 -[Alison] What are ya thinkin'?   
            -[Orna] Aw!             

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               [Rod]                
               Yeah?                

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              [Orna]                
        I think we're good!         

349
00:12:57,318 --> 00:12:58,486
               [Rod]                
          Nico's wagging.           

350
00:12:58,527 --> 00:12:59,820
          [dogs sniffing]           

351
00:12:59,820 --> 00:13:01,947
          She's like, "I can't      
       believe this is happening!" 

352
00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:03,657
          -[Rod chuckles]           
   -"Finally, something for me!"    

353
00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:05,326
               [Rod]                
      You've got some company.      

354
00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:06,744
               [Orna]               
               So...                

355
00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:08,120
           [Alison sighs]           

356
00:13:08,162 --> 00:13:09,497
                  How are you two? 

357
00:13:09,538 --> 00:13:11,999
      Um, I don't-- I guess I       
   haven't-- not had much time to   

358
00:13:11,999 --> 00:13:14,126
    kind of digest, but it          
 was pretty heavy last week.       

359
00:13:14,168 --> 00:13:15,002
               Mm-hm.               

360
00:13:15,044 --> 00:13:16,462
               We touched some      
            pretty serious issues. 

361
00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:17,838
 [Orna]                            
   Yes.                             

362
00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,633
               It's hard to know    
              how to be present... 

363
00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:22,176
 to someone dying or...            

364
00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:22,802
                            Mm-hm. 

365
00:13:22,843 --> 00:13:24,512
 Anything else.                    

366
00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:27,681
         I thought that was         
         really important.          

367
00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:29,517
        -I wanna be present.        
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           

368
00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:31,435
          'Cause you lo--           
        you miss so much...         

369
00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:32,353
           -[Orna] Yeah.            
       -By not being present.       

370
00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:33,312
                           [Orna]   
                          Exactly. 

371
00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:36,148
        But I really,               
 honestly have to tell you,        

372
00:13:36,190 --> 00:13:37,483
 this has really...                

373
00:13:37,525 --> 00:13:39,985
     made a huge, huge change.      

374
00:13:40,027 --> 00:13:41,028
               Mm-hm.               

375
00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:43,823
 I didn't realize how              
 much help we needed.              

376
00:13:44,323 --> 00:13:46,700
    I didn't realize how much...    

377
00:13:46,742 --> 00:13:48,160
        we hurt each other.         

378
00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:49,662
                            Mm-hm. 

379
00:13:50,746 --> 00:13:52,206
                             So... 

380
00:13:52,248 --> 00:13:55,960
                I think it's        
           important for you to... 

381
00:13:56,001 --> 00:13:58,170
         fully take in --           
      which I think you have,       

382
00:13:58,212 --> 00:14:01,549
        over the course of          
        our work -- that...         

383
00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:04,677
         your jumping in...         

384
00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:07,221
        is blocking Rod from        

385
00:14:07,221 --> 00:14:08,514
        expressing himself.         

386
00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:09,849
               Mm-hm.               

387
00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:13,561
    That does not absolve Rod...    

388
00:14:13,561 --> 00:14:16,981
       of understanding that        
       you're relying on that       

389
00:14:17,022 --> 00:14:18,524
        and hiding in that.         

390
00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:19,984
 Mm-hm.                            

391
00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:23,696
   And it's very easy for you to    
   invite Alison to do that for     

392
00:14:23,737 --> 00:14:26,866
   you, and bypass your own work.   

393
00:14:26,907 --> 00:14:28,200
                            Mm-hm. 

394
00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:31,036
         You know, I need           
        to take that, like,         

395
00:14:31,078 --> 00:14:33,914
 -obsession and obsessiveness...   
          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            

396
00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:36,250
 Away from things that             
 are out of my control.            

397
00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:37,042
                            Mm-hm. 

398
00:14:37,084 --> 00:14:38,002
 It's...                           

399
00:14:38,043 --> 00:14:40,713
         the unknown, and I         
      never was able to, like,      

400
00:14:40,754 --> 00:14:42,548
         be okay with that.         

401
00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:44,216
      It was a control thing!       

402
00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:45,551
              -Mm-hm.               
       -[Rod] No, it's true.        

403
00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:47,094
          You can be overpowering. 

404
00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:48,929
 The fact you know so you can      
 take a deep breath is gonna       

405
00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:51,223
    allow me, maybe, to             
 open my mouth somewhat.           

406
00:14:51,265 --> 00:14:52,474
             I'm not criticizing    
            you, I'm praising you. 

407
00:14:52,516 --> 00:14:53,893
   But what-- no, no, no, but I'm   
   not-- but I'm not criticizing    

408
00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:54,810
         -you either but...         
            -[Rod] Yeah.            

409
00:14:54,852 --> 00:14:57,271
        Why does it have to         
        be what I'm doing...        

410
00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:58,939
   dictates how you're gonna be?    

411
00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:00,774
         It-- it makes me angry... 

412
00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:01,817
               Mm-hm.               

413
00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:04,737
    To, like, almost wanna          
 say something back to you.        

414
00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:08,574
 First of all, wonderful that      
 you're not just reacting but      

415
00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:09,450
         you're reflecting.         

416
00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:10,910
 [Alison]                          
   Mm-hm.                           

417
00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:13,913
       That's very different.       

418
00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:15,956
                            Mm-hm. 

419
00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:18,250
 Like, in that, you hold...        

420
00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:21,962
   a lot of power to change a lot   
   of the dynamic between the two   

421
00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:22,922
             -of you.               
            -Thank you.             

422
00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:24,924
        -[Orna] It's great.         
            -Thank you.             

423
00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:27,801
       I can't do this alone.       

424
00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,094
         So I need for y--          

425
00:15:29,136 --> 00:15:30,137
        No, I don't wanna--         
          I don't wanna--           

426
00:15:30,137 --> 00:15:31,430
       I don't need for you.        

427
00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:32,932
              -Nice.                
          -[Rod chuckles]           

428
00:15:32,973 --> 00:15:34,600
 'Cause that's you going--         
    looking at me going--           

429
00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:36,060
    -giving me eyeballs like...     
          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            

430
00:15:36,101 --> 00:15:37,102
           "Don't start."           

431
00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:37,811
                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

432
00:15:37,853 --> 00:15:39,563
   "Don't tell him what you need." 

433
00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:41,148
               [Orna]               
               Mm-hm.               

434
00:15:41,482 --> 00:15:42,441
               'Kay.                

435
00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:43,484
          [inhales deeply]          

436
00:15:43,525 --> 00:15:44,985
         [exhales sharply]          

437
00:15:45,694 --> 00:15:47,947
               Where are you, Rod? 

438
00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:50,616
         No, I respect what Alison 
           said; it makes sense.    

439
00:15:50,658 --> 00:15:52,993
         I do sometimes project... 

440
00:15:52,993 --> 00:15:55,120
 on her to maybe deflect from me. 

441
00:15:55,162 --> 00:15:56,205
                            Mm-hm. 

442
00:15:56,246 --> 00:15:58,290
        Last week, you were         
 feeling it, and all of a sudden, 

443
00:15:58,332 --> 00:15:59,959
      you let your guard down.      

444
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,126
           I liked that.            

445
00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:02,461
 [Orna]                            
 Good.                             

446
00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:04,797
          The more you let          
          your guard down,          

447
00:16:04,838 --> 00:16:07,800
       the less Alison will         
      need to come after you.       

448
00:16:07,841 --> 00:16:11,804
     The less you fill in, the      
    more you'll have space to...    

449
00:16:11,845 --> 00:16:12,763
          -Do your thing.           
          -[Orna] Speak.            

450
00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:14,807
              -Mm-hm.               
       -[Orna] Do your thing.       

451
00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:16,892
                 Yeah, it does--    
                it does feel like, 

452
00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:19,812
    in our apartment and our life, 
   it does feel like there's a new 

453
00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:22,189
            level of calmness,      
        which is-- which is great. 

454
00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:23,649
           -[Orna] Yeah.            
           -Absolutely.             

455
00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:25,693
    But we have to maintain it,     
 'cause we're gonna have relapse. 

456
00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,194
     We know that;                  
 last weekend we did,              

457
00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:29,863
    and it's been-- it's be-- but   
   the fact we're conscientious of 

458
00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:31,824
               it is so important. 

459
00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:36,870
       That's good, but what if we 
        take what you just said... 

460
00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:39,540
        and try to translate        
         it back into you?          

461
00:16:39,581 --> 00:16:40,791
                             [Rod] 
                            Mm-hm. 

462
00:16:40,791 --> 00:16:43,460
   If we work with the assumption   
    that you're partial to using    

463
00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:45,713
           Alison to find           
      something in yourself...      

464
00:16:45,713 --> 00:16:47,131
                             [Rod] 
                            Right. 

465
00:16:47,589 --> 00:16:48,215
            What is it?             

466
00:16:48,215 --> 00:16:49,466
      Let's go back into you.       

467
00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:50,843
   What are you saying with that?   

468
00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:54,221
   Maybe I was, you know, hiding    
 behind grief with anger as well, 

469
00:16:54,263 --> 00:16:55,264
                             or... 

470
00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:57,349
         -buffering grief.          
    -But are you saying that...     

471
00:16:57,391 --> 00:16:58,392
      because it sounds right,      

472
00:16:58,434 --> 00:16:59,351
            -or do you--            
           -[Rod] No, I--           

473
00:16:59,393 --> 00:17:00,352
        Do you connect with         
        what you're saying?         

474
00:17:00,394 --> 00:17:01,562
              No, I'm saying it     
           'cause it sounds right. 

475
00:17:01,603 --> 00:17:02,521
              I don't-- I don't     
           know, I'm just kinda... 

476
00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:03,480
 [Orna]                            
 Yeah.                             

477
00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:04,273
              Articulating,         
       talking out loud right now, 

478
00:17:04,314 --> 00:17:05,065
         -so I don't know.          
           -[Orna] Yeah.            

479
00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:05,733
               -I--                 
           -[Orna] So...            

480
00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:06,942
    [inhales and exhales deeply]    

481
00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:08,861
    [Orna] What-- what if you took 
     a minute and tried to see if   

482
00:17:08,902 --> 00:17:10,362
     what you said about Alison... 

483
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:11,071
 [Rod]                             
 Mm-hm.                            

484
00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:13,032
          Pertains to you?          

485
00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:15,200
        I think maybe I-- maybe     
     I've suppressed my feeling in 

486
00:17:15,242 --> 00:17:16,702
            -general...             
              -Mm-hm.               

487
00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:19,705
          -[Rod] Without--          
      -Get curious about them.      

488
00:17:19,747 --> 00:17:21,206
                             [Rod] 
                            Mm-hm. 

489
00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:25,044
           I keep on dabbling with 
           the idea of meditation. 

490
00:17:25,085 --> 00:17:26,420
                 I mean, I've done 
                 that in the past. 

491
00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:27,546
 [Orna]                            
 Mm-hm.                            

492
00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:28,672
        And in my mind, it's like, 
         "I should and I need to." 

493
00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:31,258
      I-- I haven't, but it's       
 something I'm very conscious of. 

494
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:32,134
           -[Orna] Yeah.            
       -I'll do it with you!        

495
00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:32,760
             -I'll go.              
    -[Rod] On these days that--     

496
00:17:32,801 --> 00:17:33,719
             Let's go!              

497
00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:34,678
           -But let's--             
 -You don't have to go anywhere,   

498
00:17:34,678 --> 00:17:35,763
              you can-- you don't   
             have to go anywhere-- 

499
00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:36,805
         No, but I'm just saying,   
        like, I would even go to-- 

500
00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:37,389
   [Rod] You can just sit           
 on the toilet and do it--         

501
00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:38,390
                            [Orna] 
                           Alison. 

502
00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:39,725
               Sorry.               

503
00:17:39,767 --> 00:17:41,226
              -Right.               
   -[Rod] It's a personal thing.    

504
00:17:41,268 --> 00:17:42,770
    Why are you going in there?     

505
00:17:42,811 --> 00:17:43,604
           I don't know.            

506
00:17:43,645 --> 00:17:45,230
                        [chuckles] 

507
00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:48,108
   It's just I see it               
 all, which, I guess,              

508
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:49,610
      frightens me right now.       

509
00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:52,571
        And the fear is...?         

510
00:17:53,947 --> 00:17:57,409
     Being able to come out on      
     the other side and be...       

511
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:59,953
 content what the other side is.   

512
00:17:59,995 --> 00:18:00,579
           I don't know!            

513
00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:01,455
           I don't know.            

514
00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:02,623
       Is-- is that okay too?       

515
00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:03,457
               Yeah.                

516
00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:04,583
            [Alison]                
 Like, the unknown right now?      

517
00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:05,751
               Mm-hm.               

518
00:18:05,793 --> 00:18:08,295
 I think everything that I've      
 learned in all these weeks of     

519
00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,589
 therapy and everything,           

520
00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:12,091
        this has come full circle, 

521
00:18:12,132 --> 00:18:13,425
              and now I'm sitting   
             here with my husband, 

522
00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:15,219
                   where I know... 

523
00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:16,595
 that we're gonna be okay.         

524
00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:17,971
               Mm-hm.               

525
00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:18,972
                 I think maybe I    
                should go sit on-- 

526
00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:20,307
         -like, over here.          
            -[chuckles]             

527
00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:21,308
     -Should I give you a kiss?     
              -[kiss]               

528
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:21,934
             That's it.             
              [claps]               

529
00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:22,935
            -We're done.            
              -Great!               

530
00:18:22,935 --> 00:18:24,144
        We gave each other a kiss! 

531
00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:25,479
          -[Rod chuckles]           
           -[dog whines]            

532
00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:27,106
                          [laughs] 

533
00:18:28,482 --> 00:18:30,150
            [dog whines]            

534
00:18:30,192 --> 00:18:35,155
        ♪upbeat chill music♪        

535
00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:56,426
 [Mondo]                           
   Nice.                            

536
00:18:56,468 --> 00:18:58,470
 Turn around.                      

537
00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:00,472
 Very nice.                        

538
00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:05,477
                 ♪♪♪                

539
00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:16,822
        Did we tell you the         
      story of our first date?      

540
00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:17,698
               Mm-mm.               

541
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:19,867
                 So, we had a       
             great date, but then, 

542
00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:22,202
    we winded up falling asleep,    

543
00:19:22,244 --> 00:19:25,164
      and I woke up at, like,       
   three or four in the morning,    

544
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:27,374
      and I decided to leave.       

545
00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:29,168
 But I didn't say goodbye.         

546
00:19:29,209 --> 00:19:30,377
 I just left.                      

547
00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:31,128
                            Mm-hm. 

548
00:19:31,128 --> 00:19:34,548
                    And I left      
                because I thought, 

549
00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,049
 "Wow, this is too                 
 good to be true.                  

550
00:19:36,091 --> 00:19:37,634
     Surely, he'll                  
 come to his senses."              

551
00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:39,052
 Mm-hm.                            

552
00:19:39,052 --> 00:19:41,221
     "I should probably just...     

553
00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:42,389
            end it now."            

554
00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:43,348
 Slink away.                       

555
00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:44,224
                           [Mondo] 
                            Yeah.   

556
00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,351
 And I just remember               
 getting in the cab,               

557
00:19:46,393 --> 00:19:48,854
 and I was like, "What             
   the fuck was that?"              

558
00:19:48,896 --> 00:19:49,938
              Like...               

559
00:19:49,938 --> 00:19:52,191
         just one of those          
 perfect, beautiful first dates,   

560
00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:53,400
              just...               

561
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,361
     too good to be true, stuff     
 that you literally see in films. 

562
00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:58,363
 I-- I just thought,               
 "This is impossible!              

563
00:19:58,363 --> 00:20:00,532
 How did that-- how                
 did that happen?"                 

564
00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,702
              And then I went home 
               and I fell asleep,   

565
00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:07,206
    and I woke up, and he had       
 sent me this really long text     

566
00:20:07,247 --> 00:20:09,750
     message, and                   
 basically, it said,               

567
00:20:09,791 --> 00:20:12,044
      "I was sad when I woke        
     up and you weren't there.      

568
00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,754
         Please don't ever          
        do that to me again.        

569
00:20:13,795 --> 00:20:15,088
     When can I see you again?"     

570
00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:17,216
   -[muffled speech] I was upset.   
            -[chuckles]             

571
00:20:17,257 --> 00:20:18,091
              -Mm-hm.               
        -[Kyle] I was upset.        

572
00:20:18,133 --> 00:20:19,343
        I was like, "I just         
        had a great night.          

573
00:20:19,384 --> 00:20:20,928
    Now you're leaving me too?!"    

574
00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:21,887
                            [Orna] 
                            Mm-hm. 

575
00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:23,263
      Like, the "abandonment."      

576
00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:24,723
          And I was like,           
        "I'm not doing this.        

577
00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:27,392
 I'm not gonna not say anything." 

578
00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:29,603
           -[Mondo] Yeah.           
           -That's great.           

579
00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:33,440
              So, any thoughts      
           about our last session? 

580
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:34,566
 [Kyle]                            
 Yeah.                             

581
00:20:34,608 --> 00:20:37,402
   Prior to coming here, our        
 relationship has been good.       

582
00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:38,403
 Mm-hm.                            

583
00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:40,906
         But now, leaving           
     here, I feel much more...      

584
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:43,533
 -Absolutely, a hundred percent.   
      -Grounded, confident...       

585
00:20:43,575 --> 00:20:44,826
 Mm-hm.                            

586
00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:47,204
   I feel like, also, we've kind    
 of shared some of the stuff that 

587
00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:47,955
            we both had.            

588
00:20:47,996 --> 00:20:48,622
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           
               -Yeah!               

589
00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:49,748
           Right? Like...           

590
00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:52,751
             I had the              
     overbearing kind of, like,     

591
00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,044
           over-worry...            

592
00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:55,128
           -[Orna] Mm-hm.           
              -Right?               

593
00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:57,923
       Now, I've given him a        
     little bit of the worry...     

594
00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,134
 to think about, wherein now, I'm 
 also taking some of the freedom   

595
00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:02,803
        -that he's enjoying.        
               -Yeah.               

596
00:21:02,844 --> 00:21:03,762
               -Nice.               
   -[Mondo] Right? That he wants.   

597
00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:05,472
    -I'm seeing us exchanging...    
              -Mm-hm.               

598
00:21:05,514 --> 00:21:07,557
               That's allowing      
           this balance to happen, 

599
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:09,726
           that I hope...           

600
00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:13,105
      I hope we can keep that       
     up in that-- and-- and...      

601
00:21:13,146 --> 00:21:15,148
     build it from that place.      

602
00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:17,985
 'Cause I think, from there, then 
    I think we should be able to    

603
00:21:18,026 --> 00:21:19,069
            understand each other. 

604
00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,279
              -Mm-hm.               
           -[Kyle] Mm-hm.           

605
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,823
     I hear him, and I hear a much 
      more responsible person now. 

606
00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:24,449
 [Orna]                            
 Mm-hm.                            

607
00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,284
             Thank you.             

608
00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:26,743
 Yeah.                             

609
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,831
          One of the many things    
         that bonds the two of you 

610
00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:32,499
 is that...                        

611
00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:35,961
 I think you give each other the   
 feeling that you're intelligible 

612
00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:39,131
     to each other -- that you      
    make sense to each other --     

613
00:21:39,172 --> 00:21:42,134
         in a way that you          
      didn't have growing up.       

614
00:21:42,175 --> 00:21:43,468
 Mm.                               

615
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:47,139
      I totally see it, because     
   there's also been moments where 

616
00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:49,641
          Kyle and I have           
   referred to our inner child...   

617
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,101
          -[Orna] Mm-hm.            
   -The-- the young inner child.    

618
00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:52,644
     -Like, his is "Kalushu"...     
             -Kalushu.              

619
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:53,437
               [Orna]               
               Mm-hm.               

620
00:21:53,478 --> 00:21:54,313
            -Armandito.             
        -Mine is "Armandito"        

621
00:21:54,354 --> 00:21:55,063
               [Orna]               
               Mm-hm.               

622
00:21:55,105 --> 00:21:56,064
     So in a way,                   
 when you said that,               

623
00:21:56,106 --> 00:21:57,858
   -I almost saw the two kids...    
           -[Orna] Yeah!            

624
00:21:57,899 --> 00:21:59,484
             -Playing!              
               -Yes!                

625
00:21:59,484 --> 00:22:00,485
                [Mondo]             
     Like, those are the two kids! 

626
00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:01,987
 -You guys are like, "I see you." 
           -[Kyle] Mm-hm.           

627
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:03,613
           -[Mondo] Yeah.           
              -Mm-hm.               

628
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,033
          We recognize each other. 

629
00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:08,160
 You recognize each other, yeah.   

630
00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:09,953
              [Kyle]                
            Yeah, yeah.             

631
00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:12,289
                             Yeah! 

632
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,166
             [sniffles]             

633
00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:17,711
       Two little kids lost.        

634
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:21,381
         And if we were to          
         find each other,           

635
00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:22,883
             the world              
       wouldn't be so lonely.       

636
00:22:22,924 --> 00:22:24,468
                            [Orna] 
                            Right. 

637
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,303
              [Kyle]                
          It's beautiful.           

638
00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:29,014
                          [laughs] 

639
00:22:29,056 --> 00:22:30,182
 That's...                         

640
00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,809
      It's so cheesy and            
 beautiful and-- and perfect       

641
00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,061
         -in so many ways.          
      -It's not cheesy at all!      

642
00:22:34,102 --> 00:22:35,354
      -It's cheesy, but it's--      
         -[Kyle] It's not.          

643
00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:37,522
          [Mondo] No, it's cheesy   
         in a cute way, but still. 

644
00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:38,690
                        [sniffles] 

645
00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,567
        ♪upbeat synth music♪        

646
00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:41,860
              [softly]              
               Yeah.                

647
00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:45,739
      -[Nick] Thank you, Orna.      
      -[Katherine] Thank you.       

648
00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:48,367
               [Nick]               
             Thank you.             

649
00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:50,160
   [Mondo]                          
 Thank you.                        

650
00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:54,081
     -[Katherine] See you soon.     
           -See you soon.           

651
00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:55,165
              [Alison]              
               Ready?               

652
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:56,249
   -[Rod] That's it, we're cured?   
        -Yeah, we're cured.         

653
00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:57,376
     [Rod] We're cured,             
 we're good, we're cured.          

654
00:22:57,417 --> 00:22:58,210
              [Alison]              
                Yup.                

655
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,545
          ♪We're all goin'♪         

656
00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:03,715
      ♪Where we won't come back♪    

657
00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:07,427
           ♪Take your foot♪         

658
00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:10,722
            ♪Off the gas♪           

659
00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:14,893
          ♪I wanna get lost♪        

660
00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:17,270
          ♪Along the way...♪        

661
00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:19,064
        Happy, happy puppy?         

662
00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:20,190
         Wanna kiss Mommy?          

663
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:24,111
          ♪We're gonna make         
          it there one day♪         

664
00:23:24,152 --> 00:23:29,199
                 ♪♪♪                

665
00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:37,207
        ♪Early in the morning♪      

666
00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:40,585
     ♪When the light is blue...♪    

667
00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:45,966
       I cannot wait to begin this 
      new life journey with you... 

668
00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:47,759
                as your husband... 

669
00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:50,595
                  and forever ever 
                  your twin flame. 

670
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,267
               [kiss]               

671
00:23:55,267 --> 00:24:00,272
       [cheers and applause]        

672
00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:05,944
                 ♪♪♪