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I got a headache bro.
- Uh, his head is starting to hurt.
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Here, jump in here real quick.
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We may have to get you
off the ranch.
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The fact that something
would be interfering
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points to malevolent intent.
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In our tradition,
if you see something,
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you don't talk about it.
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Hey, Look! UAP right there. Yup.
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So we have a region
in altitude that tells us
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there is some kind on phenomenon
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taking place right here
over the triangle.
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There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years,
the federal government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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I don't know if it's
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the things we're doing
that's stimulating these things
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like launching rockets.
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But there seems to be
something happening that is
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jamming, hacking, spoofing us.
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We've recently conducted
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two new experiments at
the triangle and have gotten
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more confirmation
that something strange
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is happening about
a mile above that area.
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Three, two, one, bottle drop.
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First, we dropped GPS units
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from Brandon's helicopter
down through it.
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Holy cow. Look at that.
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So we threw it out right there
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and then, look, it goes upwind.
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But something we couldn't see
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seemed to deflect
our instruments
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away from the spot.
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The rocket is going hot.
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Then, we launched rockets
up there with a team
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of former military experts
who brought a specialized
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tracking system
for studying UAP.
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Hey look, UAP right there.
- Yep. I see it.
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We did stimulate something
to appear in the sky,
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but the tracking system
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mysteriously shut down
over and over...
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You got to be kidding me.
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...preventing us
from getting any data.
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Everything just went off-line.
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We need to find a way
to collect data in that zone
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for a sustained period of time
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to figure out just what's
causing these strange events
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that keep happening
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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Well, you know,
these rockets are great
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and we're seeing this data.
The problem with them is
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they go up so fast
and come down so fast,
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I don't feel like you guys are
really getting a lot of data.
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A typical flight trajectory is,
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even with a very
big chute on them,
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is less than 20 or 30 seconds.
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Yeah. - So,
it would be nice to linger there
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like with a fixed-wing aircraft
that we could just keep fly--
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orbiting over the spot,
or something.
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You know, where we just make
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a push broom-type of pattern
at various altitudes.
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You could do that with, like,
a Cessna or something like that
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and you could put
plenty of instruments in it.
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They could go about a hundred
miles an hour, or slower,
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and just push broom back
and forth over the ranch.
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And then you could
go up in altitude
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and do it again
and keep doing it.
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We could get a complete 3D map
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of GPS, gamma rays, radio,
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whatever we wanted
to do like that.
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Well, we've talked about this
for a while, I say we do it.
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Right.
- I'll bet you
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that Cameron knows somebody,
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that's got a plane that would
do this, that would help us out.
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Okay, should we go do it?
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We need to reach out to Cameron
to see if he can help us out.
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Sounds good.
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Thanks, Erik.
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Right up here is where
the petroglyph is.
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Okay.
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While we were preparing
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for the experiment
above the triangle,
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Tom Lewis
and Kandus Linde went to
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nearby McConkie Ranch
to meet with a respected
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Navajo Nation's member
named Jon Dover.
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I think he said he was
going to meet us
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just at the trailhead up here.
- Hello!
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I'm up here.
- Jon.
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Hello.
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Come on up.
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Let's head on up.
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Now, we want
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any information that can
help us with our investigation
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and the Indigenous people
in this region
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have a long history with
all kinds of strange phenomenon.
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You're good?
- Oh, yeah.
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Just recently,
we met with Corey Serawop
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who shared a story with us
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about his experience
in the Uinta Basin.
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One thing he brought up was
that we should visit
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McConkie Ranch and check out
the petroglyphs there.
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This is amazing.
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Wow, yeah.
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Jon Dover has
a deep understanding
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of the petroglyphs
and pictographs that are up
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on the walls at McConkie Ranch.
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And so, Kandus and I
are very interested
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to hear what Jon has to say.
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Ah, there you are. Hi.
- Hey, there.
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Glad you made it.
- Thanks so much for having us.
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Kandus.
- Jon.
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Jon, nice to meet you.
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And I'm Tom.
- Hi, Tom.
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My name is Jonathan Dover.
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I spent 27 years
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as a, uh, archeological
resource investigator
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with the Navajo Nation Rangers.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah, this place is amazing.
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This is one place
of a whole bunch of places
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that have petroglyphs
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that were put on these rocks
a thousand years ago
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or even earlier than that.
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Mm-hmm.
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The ancient people
that populated
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this place and some of the other
places around here show
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that the natives back then
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were seeing unusual
things happening
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and were recording them, too.
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There's a lot of information
that's put on these rocks
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and they are put on
in successive "timescape."
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Everybody that came through
would add something to it.
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They're a record and...
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unusual things would be
documented on them.
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They could depict clans,
they could depict Gods,
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they could even
depict maps of the area.
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Yeah, we have a few small panels
at the ranch and we're really
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trying to tie anything together
that's in this region
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to the ranch, to see if there's
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connections or anything
that we could draw
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lines to.
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We'll definitely see
some connections here.
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Excellent.
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If we go further down here,
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we're going to take
a look at one of them.
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Great.
- Show us the way.
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Wow.
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Here is the most interesting
one that I've found so far,
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is this spiral right here.
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The spiral seems
to be universal.
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All through
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the United States,
through the Southwest,
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in Europe, in Africa.
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Some archeologists
tell me that this spiral
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could refer to
some kind of a portal.
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A portal?
- Yeah, a portal.
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Okay.
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And, uh, we think
that there's something
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called infrasound.
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Which is different
frequencies of sound
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that you can't detect them
with human hearing.
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And we believe that
it's very possible
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that these different frequencies
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can open portals
to other places.
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For two years now,
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all over Skinwalker Ranch
we've seen this strange signal
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with an RF frequency
of 1.6 gigahertz.
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We've got liftoff.
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Oh, my God, during launch
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the electromagnetic
spectrum is going
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crazy, guys-- I've never
seen anything like it.
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No technology that we know of
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uses this specific
1.6 gigahertz frequency,
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but we often see it
when people have
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physiological
episodes on the ranch,
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and also, when we've seen UAPs.
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Now, the idea that UAP
and strange frequencies
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are somehow connected to
a phenomenon like a portal,
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is very interesting,
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especially since many
of the Indigenous people
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in this area truly believe
that connection exists.
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You're saying this is a portal?
Or could be a portal?
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This very much
could be a portal.
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The significance of portals
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or dimensional gates,
if you would...
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Mm-hmm.
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...is that
the Navajos themselves
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talk about a people
coming to visit.
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Different dimensions
are not like walls.
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If you can imagine...
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...they're interlaced together.
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So,
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what if every now and then
something just leaks through?
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Mm-hmm.
- You could travel,
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we just don't know how to do it.
- Yeah.
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Even the Navajo creation story
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talks about coming through
several different worlds
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until they see a hole in the sky
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and they climb up
into this world.
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We think that there's something
going on with frequency...
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...that is creating this effect.
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Wow.
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There's a lot more
we need to look at up here.
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All right.
- So, we'll move along here.
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As we were looking at
this spiral petroglyph
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described as a portal,
Kandus and I realized
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there is some sort
of connection here
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with what's happening
on the ranch
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and possibly at the triangle.
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We've heard a lot of
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very interesting stories
about seeing portals
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that opened right
above people's heads
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and figures coming out
of these portals.
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It's amazing.
- Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. I see it.
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Oh, and that's like a human...
It's another figure.
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One thing I've just
thought about is, you know,
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just on this rock wall
right here,
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and it is speculation
and inference...
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Right.
- But...
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we could have
a skinwalker shape-shifter.
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We could have...
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aliens. - Somebody coming
through another dimension.
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Through other dimensions.
- Right.
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The idea of Navajo skinwalkers,
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gods coming from the sky,
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even UFOs,
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all had one thing in common
and that's this idea
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of dimensions and portals,
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and it's the one thing
that ties everything together.
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With the spirals
back here that you were
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talking about could be
indicative of-of a portal,
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it could be that
it was right here
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or maybe off in the distance?
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What do you think?
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It-it could be a whole
range of things.
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We've actually
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had stories involving
UAPs that have
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entered into mesas...
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...and just gone
right into the rock.
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This idea of portals,
of dimensions,
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it all ties together, and that's
what we're seeing with a lot
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of these places and I think
that's what you're
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experiencing
in the Uinta Basin there.
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A lot of phenomenon
that's associated
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with cross-dimensional
things going on.
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Wow. We'd really love
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to have you come to the ranch
and look at a few things.
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Based on what
you've told us today
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and your interpretation
of these panels,
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I think there's a good
chance that the same
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people that were here
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could've very well been
on our ranch at one point.
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I think we'd both benefit
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from you coming to the ranch
and giving your insight to
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what we've seen there.
- We have some
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very interesting things
right on the Skinwalker Ranch.
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It might be things you've
never seen before, so...
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I'd love to come over there.
- Great.
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Lead the way.
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I think we should
stop right here.
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Because of what happened
last year with the sensors
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on Brandon's helicopter
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detecting an object
right below us,
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and also, what happened
just two weeks ago
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when we dropped GPS units
into the triangle anomaly
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which appeared
to just bounce off
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of an invisible object
in the sky above the ranch...
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Hey, Kendra, how are you?
- Hey.
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...we really
wanted to go further
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with attempting
to map that anomaly.
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So, to conduct
today's experiment
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above the triangle area,
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Cameron Fugal put us in touch
with a pilot named Kendra Hart
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who's agreed to take
Erik up in her Cessna
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to help us collect our data.
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Since you fly out here, have
you flown over the property?
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The ranch itself?
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I have not.
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Most of my students
stay further west and so,
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this will be my first time
this far out east
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and especially
over the ranch, so...
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Really?
- Yeah, it will be my first time.
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First time? - First time. So...
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What we want to do is fly
from here over to the ranch.
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When you get there,
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we would like for you
to do a grid pattern,
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at, uh, five
different altitudes.
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Erik will show you
the points of interest,
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but there's a triangle right
in the middle of the property
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and directly above that,
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between, say,
2,500 and 5,000 feet,
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we've seen some weird things.
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Okay.
- And, so we're hoping to get
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some instrumentation
in that area
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and see if we can figure out
what those weird things are.
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00:13:05,915 --> 00:13:08,004
Awesome.
- One thing that,
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uh, not to scare you,
but occasionally,
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when people are
on the ranch and even
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above the ranch have
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sort of a physiological
response to being there.
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If you start feeling
anything at any point,
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you know, you're the pilot,
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if it's time to
abort the mission
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'cause you got a weird feeling,
then you abort the mission.
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All right?
- Mm-hmm.
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Well, we've got some work
to do to get ready to go
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and you may have
some flight prep
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or something.
- Absolutely.
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So, we'll be maybe in
and out of the cargo area
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for the next couple minutes and
then we'll be ready to go. - Okay.
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Let's get it done.
All right, Erik, let's grab everything.
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00:13:38,556 --> 00:13:40,950
I'll be going up in
the Cessna aircraft today
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with some GPS trackers
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and a data-logging
radiation meter,
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our standard equipment set
including our spectrum analyzer,
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Geiger counter
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and other local equipment
to observe whether
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there are any GPS anomalies
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up near the 5,000-foot point
over the triangle.
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00:13:57,619 --> 00:13:59,447
All right.
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00:13:59,577 --> 00:14:01,697
I'm gonna close it up and
then go put it in the plane.
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00:14:01,753 --> 00:14:03,277
Sounds good.
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00:14:03,407 --> 00:14:05,279
Today, the plan is to fly
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the Cessna in a sequential push
broom pattern over the ranch
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sweeping back and forth
over the triangle
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at various altitudes.
At the same time,
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using the GPS sensors
to collect data
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00:14:16,507 --> 00:14:18,529
that we hope will give us
a three-dimensional model
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00:14:18,553 --> 00:14:20,468
of the anomaly
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00:14:20,598 --> 00:14:22,818
that we believe is up there
somewhere between
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3,000 and 5,000 feet
above the ground.
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00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:27,788
What do you got there?
- This is your headset.
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00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:31,609
Got it.
- Okay, and then, this is the radio
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00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:33,829
that we are using
for the radio source.
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00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,614
For this experiment,
we're also making use of
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a new avionic comm system,
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00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:40,531
making it easier
for us to directly
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00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,925
communicate from
the aircraft to the ground.
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00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,580
I'm gonna head back
over to the ranch.
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00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:47,930
You guys get in the air.
We're burning daylight, right?
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00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,889
See you.
- All right, see you in a bit.
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While I'm in the plane
above the ranch,
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00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:16,480
the rest of the team
will be monitoring from below.
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00:15:16,611 --> 00:15:19,440
I'm really excited
to see what happens
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00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:21,050
during the course
of the experiment.
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00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:31,191
I've got these antennas running.
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00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:34,281
This is going out to
the two jaggies. - Okay.
356
00:15:34,411 --> 00:15:37,327
Once she gets over here,
we should, uh,
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00:15:37,458 --> 00:15:39,112
see her start tracking on there.
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00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:40,635
Okay.
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00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:42,047
We're going to monitor
this experiment
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with a couple of
different systems.
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First, we have an ADSB.
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00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:48,077
Now, that identifies
all the air traffic flying
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00:15:48,208 --> 00:15:50,950
in the vicinity of the ranch
and shows them on a map.
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00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,995
We've also mounted two antennas
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00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,526
on the deck
of the command center.
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00:15:54,605 --> 00:15:56,607
Those are pointed
at the triangle
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00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:59,219
to track the signals being
broadcast from Kendra's plane
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00:15:59,349 --> 00:16:01,003
as well as scan
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for any dangerous energy spikes
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00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:04,528
like we've detected
there in the past.
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00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:07,140
All right, great.
Ah, let me get this going.
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00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,447
There it is, got it.
All right, both are...
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00:16:10,578 --> 00:16:12,972
Both antennas and radios
are functioning properly.
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00:16:14,016 --> 00:16:15,539
Hey, Kaleb.
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00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:17,498
This is the command center,
do you copy?
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00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,456
Go ahead.
377
00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:21,241
Start keeping an eye out,
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00:16:21,371 --> 00:16:23,373
probably five to ten minutes
before we see them.
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00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:26,289
10-4. You guys will be
the first to know.
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00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:51,401
This may be them right here
'cause this looks like...
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00:16:51,532 --> 00:16:52,924
would this be
Roosevelt right here?
382
00:16:53,055 --> 00:16:55,797
No. So, Roosevelt Airport
is about right here.
383
00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:57,929
Oh, then why are we not seeing
their ADSB take off?
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00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:59,366
I don't understand that.
385
00:16:59,496 --> 00:17:01,542
We're not getting them.
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00:17:01,672 --> 00:17:05,328
So, we need to make sure that
their, uh, ADSB is transponding.
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00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:08,244
Even though the Cessna
was approaching the ranch,
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00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:10,899
it never showed up
on the ADSB system.
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00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,076
All the other air traffic
in the area appeared on the map,
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00:17:14,207 --> 00:17:15,860
and I could see
with our antenna set up
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00:17:15,991 --> 00:17:17,906
that she was still broadcasting.
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00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,126
What could cause Kendra's plane
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00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,866
not to show up
on the ADSB like that?
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00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,607
It makes no sense.
395
00:17:23,738 --> 00:17:25,618
Why are we not...
- We're not picking them up.
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00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:35,576
Here.
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00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:39,058
Hey, Erik, this is Travis,
do you copy?
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00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,759
We-we are not
seeing you on the ADSB.
399
00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:51,200
I wonder if Kaleb's
gotten eyes on them.
400
00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:52,767
Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him.
401
00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:57,685
Go ahead.
402
00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,774
Have you gotten eyes
on the plane yet?
403
00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,950
10-4.
404
00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,605
It's, uh, going over
the property now.
405
00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:18,097
What the heck
is going on up there?
406
00:18:25,626 --> 00:18:28,977
So... why are we not
picking her up?
407
00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:32,067
Hey, Erik, it's Bryant.
408
00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:36,245
We are still not picking you up
on the flight tracker.
409
00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,423
Do you have any other traffic
on the display right now?
410
00:18:40,554 --> 00:18:42,338
Tell him yes.
- Yes, we do.
411
00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:44,645
We are seeing all sorts
of air traffic.
412
00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:48,866
But she's broadcasting
on the ADSB.
413
00:18:48,997 --> 00:18:50,607
I'm watching her.
414
00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:52,418
This is her, right here
with both antennas.
415
00:18:52,522 --> 00:18:54,133
She's broadcasting...
416
00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,823
Yeah, I can see that.
- ...the signal.
417
00:18:56,874 --> 00:18:58,137
I mean, this is picking up
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00:18:58,267 --> 00:19:00,400
planes that are
a hundred miles away
419
00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:02,050
and 30,000 feet up.
- That doesn't...
420
00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:03,620
That doesn't make any sense.
421
00:19:05,535 --> 00:19:08,321
I had antennas that were
tuned to that frequency,
422
00:19:08,451 --> 00:19:11,062
and I could pick up the signal
coming from the airplane,
423
00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:12,238
but for some reason
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00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,718
her system isn't working.
425
00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:17,068
This is what's so weird
about the ranch.
426
00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,375
One thing we do know is,
427
00:19:19,506 --> 00:19:23,727
uh, her system does record
the ADSB data,
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00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:26,295
and even though
we will get a text file
429
00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:30,343
that we can reinterpret after
the flight, but I wanted it now.
430
00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,389
It wasn't ideal,
431
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,653
but we knew that Erik
was collecting GPS data
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00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:40,875
and Kendra was recording
the ADSB data.
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00:19:41,005 --> 00:19:43,747
We hoped that would be enough to
salvage some of this experiment.
434
00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:45,421
So should I still
keep going over or...?
435
00:19:45,445 --> 00:19:46,533
Oh, yeah.
436
00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:55,498
Over the middle of the triangle.
437
00:19:55,629 --> 00:19:57,674
All right.
- Got it.
438
00:19:57,805 --> 00:19:59,981
Wait, is that-- There they are.
Right there, look.
439
00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:01,698
Thomas, in the middle.
Look in the middle.
440
00:20:01,722 --> 00:20:03,002
Look way up there.
- Okay, yup.
441
00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:03,941
There they are, right there.
442
00:20:04,072 --> 00:20:06,335
November 8-4-7-1-7,
443
00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:08,555
could you tell us your
pressure altitude, please?
444
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,777
So, that's...
445
00:20:13,908 --> 00:20:15,562
Going up to 4,000 feet
above ground level.
446
00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:16,737
Gosh, she's moving fast.
447
00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,480
Thomas, I got them
coming in eastbound
448
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,916
over the triangle again.
449
00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,006
While Erik and Kendra
were continuing
450
00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,964
their pattern sweep
above the triangle,
451
00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:29,228
all we could do back
in the command center
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00:20:29,358 --> 00:20:31,795
was just hope that they were
getting data that we could use.
453
00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,017
Hopefully, the GPS trackers
are the saving grace
454
00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:37,864
for this experiment,
because we're not getting
455
00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:39,325
what we want out of this.
- Yeah,
456
00:20:39,455 --> 00:20:41,544
I'm hoping I can
salvage something out of it.
457
00:20:41,675 --> 00:20:43,111
We have not had
458
00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,461
a single experiment
out at the triangle,
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00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:48,595
up in the air,
that has gone per plan.
460
00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:50,988
So, what is it
about the triangle
461
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,817
and us trying to do
experiments at the triangle
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00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:56,603
that seems to trigger,
you know, irregularities?
463
00:20:56,733 --> 00:20:58,213
It seems
464
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,261
like someone or something,
doesn't want us
465
00:21:02,391 --> 00:21:03,711
to collect data
from the triangle.
466
00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:07,004
That's what it seems like.
467
00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:08,963
It's a pattern.
468
00:21:09,093 --> 00:21:10,533
It's certainly
making it hard for us.
469
00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:20,975
Copy that.
470
00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:29,157
What happened?
What the heck is that?
471
00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:35,032
What just suddenly
popped up on... What?
472
00:21:35,163 --> 00:21:36,991
That 1.6.
473
00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:38,882
It was there for a couple
seconds, now it's gone.
474
00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:39,906
It sure as heck was.
475
00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:58,055
What are you hearing?
476
00:22:06,237 --> 00:22:08,501
All right, what's going on?
477
00:22:08,631 --> 00:22:10,348
We're not broadcasting
anything like that. All right.
478
00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:12,412
So, yeah, we're not
broadcasting anything like that.
479
00:22:31,698 --> 00:22:35,658
Negative, Erik,
there's, uh, nothing within
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00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:39,053
40, 50 miles of the ranch.
481
00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:43,884
Is it another airplane?
482
00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:55,504
We were all totally mystified
483
00:22:55,635 --> 00:22:59,421
when both Erik and Kendra,
the pilot, suddenly reported
484
00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:02,511
that some kind of shadow was
tracking along with the Cessna.
485
00:23:02,642 --> 00:23:05,166
That's extremely strange.
486
00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:07,560
We checked our ADSB system
487
00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,997
and there was no
other plane in the area.
488
00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:11,999
It immediately made me
think of last year
489
00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:13,783
when Erik and I were
490
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:15,394
in the helicopter
with Cameron Fugal
491
00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:17,831
over the triangle
and something showed up
492
00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:19,659
on his radar
just 50 feet beneath us.
493
00:23:22,662 --> 00:23:24,822
There's something underneath us
according to the radar.
494
00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:27,928
That we later identified
in camera footage
495
00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,583
as some kind of shadowy UAP.
496
00:23:31,714 --> 00:23:34,021
Kaleb, do you have eyes
497
00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:35,326
on a second aircraft?
498
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,764
I am scanning now.
499
00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:46,512
Look at that.
- The 1.6 is going crazy.
500
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:49,253
I don't know what that is.
501
00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:53,257
In the middle of all
this chaos, once again
502
00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:56,652
the spectrum analyzer suddenly
registered an RF radiation spike
503
00:23:56,783 --> 00:24:00,308
at a frequency
of 1.6 gigahertz.
504
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:02,441
Now, that's the same
kind of energy spike
505
00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:06,749
we've seen over and over when
UAPs have appeared in the past.
506
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,057
And it happened at the same time
Erik and Kendra were seeing
507
00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:12,363
the shadow of some sort
of mysterious aircraft.
508
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:19,414
What is that?
509
00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:21,460
What the heck?
510
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:23,766
What?
511
00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,813
Why is that picking us up?
512
00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:30,077
Uh...
It's picking us all up.
513
00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:33,080
Just after the 1.6
gigahertz RF spike
514
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:36,518
in the control room,
we suddenly heard our own voices
515
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:40,043
being broadcast
and echoing back at us.
516
00:24:40,174 --> 00:24:42,481
Call them and tell them
to give me the signal.
517
00:24:45,396 --> 00:24:48,356
Stand by, stand by
for one moment, please.
518
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,489
There's no way that
should have been possible.
519
00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,360
It was like we were
being recorded
520
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,058
by someone or something
in real time.
521
00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:58,497
Maybe it's in here.
522
00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:08,942
That is
telling us that one of us
523
00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:13,773
is broadcasting at
1.623800 gigahertz.
524
00:25:13,903 --> 00:25:16,558
That is really odd.
525
00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,388
Erik and I have been having
a conversation lately
526
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,477
that we think that
there could be
527
00:25:22,608 --> 00:25:25,262
an eavesdropping device here.
528
00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:29,397
Maybe we've been detecting it
with the spectrum analyzers.
529
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,268
And it...
530
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,879
That might be it.
531
00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:34,620
Really?
532
00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:36,491
And so, somebody is
turning it on and off
533
00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,754
which is why we're not
seeing it all the time.
534
00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:41,017
Possibly.
535
00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:43,716
The strange energy spike
along with the sound frequency
536
00:25:43,846 --> 00:25:46,283
from the radio
and our voices being
537
00:25:46,414 --> 00:25:49,330
broadcast and echoing
back at us could mean
538
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:51,637
that we are being
surveilled on the ranch.
539
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:54,988
But what I can't even
begin to explain,
540
00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:57,207
especially given
that Erik and Kendra saw
541
00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,340
what they believed to be a UAP,
542
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,169
is what the source of
that surveillance could be.
543
00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:04,339
I'm gonna walk outside
and see if somehow it's on me
544
00:26:04,388 --> 00:26:05,999
and then maybe
you guys take turns.
545
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:09,437
So, you go out and talk.
546
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,570
Right.
- We'll listen for you.
547
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,981
Okay. Yep. - And then we can
send him out there with you.
548
00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:19,752
Hello, can you guys hear me?
Hello, testing, testing...
549
00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:21,492
Well, we can hear him.
- Yeah.
550
00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:22,842
This has me really concerned.
551
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,061
The fact that
552
00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:29,196
there is something or someone
that could be listening to us
553
00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:32,591
and actually broadcasting
our sound back to us again?
554
00:26:34,244 --> 00:26:35,594
Why is this happening?
555
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:38,248
So, we could still
hear you outside.
556
00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:39,989
Huh.
557
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,383
Testing, testing, testing.
558
00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:45,821
Are you guys picking me up
at all? Testing, testing.
559
00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,737
The most troubling thing for me
560
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:51,871
was hearing Travis, Bryant
561
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:54,743
and myself being broadcast
over this frequency.
562
00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,832
What in the crap does that mean?
563
00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:58,355
I've said before,
564
00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:00,749
is there not any
safe place on the ranch?
565
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,318
I would say now, is there
any private place on the ranch?
566
00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:09,062
The signal stopped.
567
00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,456
What have we played with?
- What just happened?
568
00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:15,285
That was really odd.
569
00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:17,636
So, we are descending now...
570
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:32,781
We were getting
this interference
571
00:27:32,912 --> 00:27:34,783
on our, on our comms.
572
00:27:37,917 --> 00:27:39,875
Erik, I don't like that.
573
00:27:40,006 --> 00:27:43,531
I would advise that you come
down, from a safety standpoint.
574
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,846
...head on back to
the airport from there.
575
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,857
Well, they're done. That's it.
576
00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,312
They're headed
back to the airport.
577
00:28:06,336 --> 00:28:07,860
Erik's still got the handheld
578
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:09,644
if we want to talk
to him on his way,
579
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:11,535
but they'll be at the airport
in five or ten minutes.
580
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:13,213
All right.
581
00:28:13,343 --> 00:28:15,041
The main bit of data
582
00:28:15,171 --> 00:28:17,304
that we're really
looking forward to
583
00:28:17,434 --> 00:28:19,915
is the GPS data
that Erik and I put
584
00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:22,309
in the plane,
it's collecting it real time
585
00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,790
on the computer so we know
it's actually working.
586
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,531
And when he gets on
the ground and we crunch that,
587
00:28:27,662 --> 00:28:31,492
we're gonna be able
to create a GPS anomaly map
588
00:28:31,622 --> 00:28:33,886
over the entire ranch
from a thousand feet
589
00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,844
to 6,000 feet
above ground level.
590
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,128
They'll be there
before I get there,
591
00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:40,259
so I probably need to get going.
592
00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:41,720
Okay.
- Okay.
593
00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:54,515
Well, hey, Jon.
- Hey, hello.
594
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:56,560
After meeting
595
00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,911
with Jon at McConkie,
it was obvious that he needed
596
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:00,869
to come to Skinwalker Ranch.
597
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,305
His interpretation
598
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:03,785
of the petroglyphs
and pictographs
599
00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,179
that are up on the walls
at McConkie Ranch
600
00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:09,530
could be really interesting
to Erik and Travis.
601
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,141
There's a lot of similarities
in what we saw there
602
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:14,622
and then there are some
things here that
603
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,102
I've never seen before
and we hope
604
00:29:16,232 --> 00:29:17,538
you can give us some insight on.
605
00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:19,279
Right, I'd love to see them.
606
00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:21,760
Let's jump in the Ranger
and head down.
607
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:28,201
We've found
a strange notable location
608
00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:29,768
on top of the mesa,
609
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,508
and we are hoping
to get his take
610
00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:32,901
on what it is.
611
00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,816
So, it is just right
612
00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:38,037
kind of at the top of this mesa,
so it's a little bit of a hike.
613
00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,648
It's important that we explore
614
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,302
what all these sites could mean
615
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:46,132
in the bigger picture
of the ranch.
616
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,919
Yeah, so, this spot is
some sort of mound.
617
00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,794
Absolutely amazing.
618
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,190
The fact that there's
all of these stones
619
00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:04,715
around what seems to be
some sort of mound
620
00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:06,892
in the very middle.
621
00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:09,111
What do you think?
622
00:30:09,242 --> 00:30:12,767
I get the sense that this is
something sacred here.
623
00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,856
That it was purpose-built.
624
00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,119
I was gonna make a suggestion.
625
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:18,686
Mm-hmm.
- Um...
626
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,733
In a lot of native
cultures, your...
627
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,694
you approach things
from a clockwise direction.
628
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:31,177
So, uh, what I'd like to do
is approach this and go around
629
00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,005
in a clockwise manner
630
00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:34,963
and take a look at things.
- Okay.
631
00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:39,794
It's just a sign of respect
on any type of sacred site
632
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,058
and we just want
to honor that here.
633
00:30:43,189 --> 00:30:47,019
If you go counterclockwise,
it's kind of a negative thing.
634
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,195
Let's do that.
- Yeah, why don't you lead the way?
635
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,635
We got up to the top
of the mesa there
636
00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:57,072
and to me it looked almost like
637
00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,814
a Stonehenge-type structure
638
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:02,773
with these rocks in a circular
pattern around there.
639
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:06,299
Traditional beliefs
with the Navajo are
640
00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:08,736
something that is brought up
when you're a child.
641
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,433
You grow up
642
00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,124
in that there is
a certain way to act,
643
00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:13,828
there is a certain way
to do things
644
00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:19,051
and so, you would start
and go clockwise around it
645
00:31:19,181 --> 00:31:24,012
and come back to it to complete
the circle before you entered.
646
00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:28,364
Um, that's just traditional--
most native tribes.
647
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,801
So, I want to stop
and show you something
648
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,021
on this boulder.
649
00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:37,504
Maybe you want to step over
and look at it here yourself
650
00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,724
for just a minute,
but there were a few things...
651
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,250
...that seemed worth noting.
652
00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,818
What do you think of those?
653
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:53,041
What I'm seeing here
is four distinct lines
654
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,522
that are carved into this rock
655
00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,177
and, uh, typically,
656
00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:00,483
they could be marking
periods of time.
657
00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,529
We don't know what the time was.
658
00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:04,768
And then... - And around the side
there, you'll see...
659
00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:06,228
You see right
where you're standing.
660
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,317
You see that little...
- Yeah.
661
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,625
We understand the erosion here,
but that hole...
662
00:32:12,626 --> 00:32:14,933
Right.
- Yeah, so...
663
00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:18,719
That looks like
it could be natural?
664
00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:22,766
Well, this one, uh, if you...
if you sight through it,
665
00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:24,638
it's right on the horizon.
- Mm-hmm.
666
00:32:24,768 --> 00:32:26,596
When you're looking at it.
667
00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:29,860
And during spring and fall,
668
00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:32,341
when the sun rises,
669
00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:34,474
it-it comes straight
through this hole.
670
00:32:34,604 --> 00:32:36,519
Yeah.
671
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:38,608
So, what do you believe this is?
672
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,959
This place?
- This is, uh,
673
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,961
is rather interesting.
674
00:32:43,091 --> 00:32:46,268
Uh, when I see mounds like this,
675
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:49,619
it could be a holy place.
676
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,361
I'm thinking here's a place
677
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:54,276
where prayers were offered.
678
00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:55,669
A sacred place.
679
00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,542
I believe that
this area was used
680
00:32:59,673 --> 00:33:02,502
as a talisman to keep
the evil on that side.
681
00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:12,207
That's incredible.
682
00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,469
Hmm.
683
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,470
I'm thinking there's
684
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:16,603
definitely something here.
685
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,127
And I-I just, I can...
686
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:21,521
I can feel it in my bones, you know?
Mm-hmm.
687
00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:22,913
Yeah.
688
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:24,219
Well, let's continue around
689
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:26,613
and complete the circle.
- Okay.
690
00:33:26,743 --> 00:33:29,616
Looking at this place
in its entirety, it struck me
691
00:33:29,746 --> 00:33:31,879
as a holy place.
692
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:36,362
It could have been used as
some kind of protection ceremony
693
00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:40,670
to keep whatever is historically
here on Skinwalker Ranch
694
00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,239
from traveling over the mesa.
695
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:48,504
And we have basically
a spiral right here...
696
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:53,988
...that's been put
into this ground here.
697
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,513
And as we've seen
today at McConkie
698
00:33:57,644 --> 00:33:59,472
and maybe here, that spiral
699
00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:01,300
is indicative of...
700
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:04,390
A portal,
a dimensional rift, an opening.
701
00:34:06,392 --> 00:34:09,395
The ancient people that
populated this land
702
00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,658
knew of this place.
703
00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:15,401
There's evil there, there is
something that can kill you,
704
00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:20,014
whether it's skinwalkers
or some kind of malignant power.
705
00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:21,885
So, it doesn't strike me
706
00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:26,716
as unusual, this spiritual
idea, this warding off
707
00:34:26,847 --> 00:34:28,457
of what could come that way.
708
00:34:28,588 --> 00:34:30,024
So, Jon,
709
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,982
you've enlightened us so much
710
00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,202
and given us
so much more to work on,
711
00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:36,248
and added greatly
to our investigation, so...
712
00:34:36,378 --> 00:34:38,424
Well, good, good. I'm glad.
- Yeah.
713
00:34:38,554 --> 00:34:40,252
Thank you for having me
out here.
714
00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:43,385
Thank you for coming and
spending this much time with us.
715
00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:44,778
Yeah, let's head back down.
716
00:34:54,962 --> 00:34:56,703
We're going to take a look at
717
00:34:56,833 --> 00:35:00,707
the data that we got out of
the experiment with the Cessna.
718
00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,883
I've got our own data.
719
00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:04,798
We also have some data
from the pilot.
720
00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:06,669
Oh, good.
721
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,410
The day after
our Cessna experiment
722
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,674
over the triangle, Erik has
all the data sorted out.
723
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:14,286
So, we're eager to see
what he was able to collect,
724
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:17,202
given all the bizarre things
that happened during the flight.
725
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:19,465
I'm glad that you had
instruments on board
726
00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:20,790
because we got
bubkes of data here.
727
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,685
Right.
728
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,818
Now, I know, during
the course of the experiment,
729
00:35:24,948 --> 00:35:28,387
we could never
pick her up on the radar.
730
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:29,668
You're talking about
the ADSB receiver?
731
00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:31,390
Yeah.
- Yeah.
732
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,001
Yeah, we saw you leave Roosevelt
and go back to Roosevelt,
733
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,698
but that's it.
- Right after
734
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:37,961
all the frustrations
I know we had on the ground.
735
00:35:38,092 --> 00:35:40,921
I mean, the stuff that I got
out of the actual data logging,
736
00:35:41,051 --> 00:35:42,531
it's really perplexing.
737
00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,316
Get this.
738
00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:45,966
These little guys,
they receive signals
739
00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,493
directly from the satellites.
740
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,059
They're GPS tracker units.
741
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:51,975
I had five of these things
on the flight.
742
00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:56,676
The data from four of the five
was either absent or garbled.
743
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:58,330
And get this.
744
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,767
The one that worked,
it's flawless.
745
00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:03,378
This is really suggestive
746
00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:05,511
that there is something
locally going on here.
747
00:36:06,468 --> 00:36:07,556
Well, let's see it.
748
00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,689
Yeah, let me bring this up.
749
00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:17,218
So, here we are at
the Roosevelt airstrip.
750
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:19,089
And we did, just as planned,
751
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:22,832
we did several altitudes
making those S-turns
752
00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,748
and, uh, doing what we call
the push broom pattern.
753
00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,403
So, you said that
her system data-logged...
754
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:30,414
Uh-huh. - ...uh, on board.
So, what did it show?
755
00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:31,885
You're not going
to believe this.
756
00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:35,497
So, this is what
one of our units got.
757
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:39,109
And as I said, it looks pristine.
It really does.
758
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,459
I don't see anything in that,
759
00:36:40,589 --> 00:36:42,189
that looks like anything
jumped out of...
760
00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:43,766
I mean, yeah.
761
00:36:43,897 --> 00:36:45,396
Now, you guys are
not gonna believe this.
762
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,683
Let me show you what
I received from Kendra.
763
00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:53,254
Uh...
is that under the ranch?
764
00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:55,038
So, yeah. I need
to explain this.
765
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:56,344
Look at that.
766
00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:57,737
Uh-huh.
- That's interesting.
767
00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,304
Just as you saw
768
00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,871
with the yellow tracks
from our trackers,
769
00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,309
uh, you see the flight out.
770
00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:06,311
Mm-hmm.
- Okay?
771
00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:08,226
She's taking this path.
772
00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:11,794
We execute one loop,
if you will, over the property
773
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,231
and then everything falls apart.
774
00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:19,367
Many of the altitude readings
775
00:37:19,498 --> 00:37:21,717
that she reported were
776
00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:25,243
far beneath the ground;
in fact, beneath sea level.
777
00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:30,335
And not just beneath
sea level, but 62 and a half
778
00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:31,901
miles below sea level.
779
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:39,169
62 and a half miles?
- ERIK: Yes.
780
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:43,478
62 and a half miles is
the altitude above sea level
781
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:47,700
that is considered
the von Kármán line
782
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,310
where you go from
atmosphere to space.
783
00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:52,705
And that's exactly
62 and a half?
784
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,663
And this is-is exactly
62 and a half miles.
785
00:37:54,794 --> 00:37:56,578
So, why did this choose
62 and a half miles
786
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,058
under the ground?
787
00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,365
What do you get
when you go there?
788
00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:03,019
That is weird, though.
789
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:05,500
But this also is not
the first time we've had
790
00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:08,677
GPS telling instrumentation that
it's underground. Below ground.
791
00:38:08,808 --> 00:38:10,636
I know. That's right.
- That's the point.
792
00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:14,161
These blue cubes appear to be
793
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,033
70 feet below
the surface of the mesa.
794
00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,513
Two weeks ago,
795
00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:20,472
when we flew up
into the mile-high zone
796
00:38:20,602 --> 00:38:22,735
above the triangle
in Brandon's helicopter,
797
00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:26,913
our GPS data indicated
that we flew into the mesa
798
00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:29,394
and traveled through it
for several hundred feet.
799
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,570
It looks like
you smashed into the mesa.
800
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,833
What the heck?
801
00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:37,880
Now, this new GPS data
collected over the same zone
802
00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,056
above the triangle indicates
803
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:43,016
that the Cessna went
into and below the mesa
804
00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:47,194
the same distance that it is
from sea level to outer space.
805
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,631
What in the hell
could that possibly mean?
806
00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:51,720
Given this,
807
00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,201
and especially the fact
that it seems like
808
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,768
we're being monitored out here,
809
00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:57,683
with that strange
810
00:38:57,813 --> 00:39:00,555
projecting of
our voices remotely,
811
00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:04,429
it's definitely
a security issue and so,
812
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,145
I'm going to let Brandon
know what's going on
813
00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:07,736
and I'm sure he's
going to be curious
814
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:09,782
to know what's going on
with the data as well.
815
00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,089
You know, I'm trying to think
of other ways to look
816
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,657
at this anomaly other
than just GPS systems.
817
00:39:15,788 --> 00:39:18,312
What if we got some telescopes
818
00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:20,967
and we looked
through the anomaly,
819
00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:23,099
and if it is some sort
820
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,840
of optical
or gravitational anomaly,
821
00:39:24,971 --> 00:39:27,669
our atmosphere should change.
822
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,237
And it should change in a way
that it's not supposed to.
823
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,761
And then, we would measure,
"Hey, look, there's something,
824
00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:35,590
an anomaly there,"
and that would be data.
825
00:39:36,765 --> 00:39:39,289
Well, I'm going
to go call Brandon.
826
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,248
Yeah, I'll reach out
to the astronomy guys.
827
00:39:42,423 --> 00:39:43,729
That's cool stuff, Erik.
828
00:39:46,253 --> 00:39:48,386
Previous researchers
have commented
829
00:39:48,516 --> 00:39:50,953
that theirs is the impression
that the ranch phenomenology
830
00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:53,478
responds, if not anticipates,
831
00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:55,480
the experiments
that they have attempted,
832
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,134
and we do see some
support for that
833
00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:00,006
in our experience here
over the years.
834
00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,356
Perhaps what we're seeing
with the ADSB
835
00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:06,752
transponder data receiver is
an example of that interference.
836
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,540
There are so many GPS
anomalies that we're seeing.
837
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:17,632
There could be actually
some advanced physics
838
00:40:17,763 --> 00:40:19,721
like you would see
in science fiction,
839
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:21,984
or like the stories
of portals opening up.
840
00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:24,900
Now, if that's the case,
we could be on the edge
841
00:40:25,031 --> 00:40:26,946
of some amazing discoveries.
842
00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,253
Even with continued events
843
00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:33,126
occurring at the triangle,
we have setbacks.
844
00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:36,346
It seems like something
continues to push back on us
845
00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:38,131
and create obstacles.
846
00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:42,440
I think that just makes the team
more determined than ever
847
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:46,444
to try to find out
what is behind
848
00:40:46,574 --> 00:40:48,184
a lot of the strange activity
849
00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,143
on Skinwalker Ranch.
850
00:40:55,801 --> 00:40:58,107
We would like to look
through the anomaly
851
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,109
at an astronomical object
852
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,372
and see if they seem obscured.
853
00:41:02,503 --> 00:41:05,201
Erik, the cows have scattered
through the entire field.
854
00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:07,682
Something's
definitely scared them.
855
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:09,815
What the hell
is that in the sky?
856
00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:11,904
That thing is big and spherical.
Yes, it is.
857
00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:14,036
It's got a black dot in
the center of it. - What?
858
00:41:14,167 --> 00:41:16,430
There is something
I'd like to get your eyes on.
859
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:18,041
Whoa! What was that?
- There, there.
860
00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:19,999
That's the brightest
thing in the sky.
861
00:41:20,129 --> 00:41:22,349
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