[dramatic music playing]
[crowd cheering]
Michael! Michael! Michael!
[dramatic music playing]
[phone rings]
[operator] ...what is your emergency?
[caller] Yes, sir, I need to-- I, uh,
I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir,
I have-- We have a gentleman here that needs help,
and he's stopped breathing.
[dramatic music playing]
[Scott] You're talking about Michael Jackson here.
It was absolutely huge.
[Orlando] There was a lot of pressure
to get it right.
[suspenseful music playing]
This isn't a man who should have died.
[caller] He's stopped breathing, he's not breathing,
and we need to-- we're trying to pump him,
-but he's not-- he's not-- -[operator] Okay.
Okay, how old is he?
[caller] He's, uh, 50 years old, sir.
[operator] Fifty? Okay.
He's unconscious, he's not breathing?
[caller] Yes, he's not breathing.
[Richard] When we were dispatched
to a 50-year-old male, cardiac arrest,
we think, "This is a viable patient."
"This is someone if we get to in a timely manner we can save."
And then, when I enter this room,
opulent room, with medical equipment in it,
I realize there's something unusual here.
What 50-year-old male would be laying in bed at noon
with medical equipment?
We're not looking at the patient at that moment.
Till my partner did.
He looked up and whispered the name,
Michael Jackson.
When I realized who it was,
I was surprised.
We had no idea he was there. None of us had any idea
he was living in our neighborhood.
[operator] Um...[clears throat]
Where did-- Did anybody witness what happened?
[caller] Um, no, just the doctor, sir.
There was a man with our patient
who identified himself as the doctor,
and, as such, I immediately asked him
some information, what had happened?
How long has this been going on?
And he told me then that it had just happened.
This was a patient to me that it seemed
that he had not just passed away,
that some time had gone by before we were notified.
And, in fact, later
when you're reflecting on this call,
the days, the weeks, the months afterwards,
one of the greatest regrets that all of us had
was that we had not been called sooner.
[dramatic music playing]
When we came outside, that's when we became aware
of a very large presence.
We were trying to back out on the street
only to be hindered by many, many cameramen
putting their lenses against the glass windows
of the moving ambulance.
[dramatic music playing]
Michael! Michael!
[Scott] People seem to forget or don't realize
about this investigation, it was a death investigation.
There really wasn't a crime, um, at the time.
[Orlando] From the information that I had, it was probably
an accident or natural, and we would find out
that he had some pre-existing medical condition
and then we would be done.
[Dan] Just look at what we knew in the first hours of this.
Taken to the hospital, there wasn't a bloody knife,
there wasn't a smoking gun, there was nothing on the surface
that would lead anyone to believe
anything nefarious had occurred.
[Orlando] When I arrived at the hospital,
Dr. Murray was gone,
so he was no longer there at the scene.
[Scott] We're in a bit of a panic then,
uh, the one person that was in the room with him at the time
that everything happened is no longer at the hospital.
There were several attempts right away
to get a hold of Dr. Murray, uh, that were negative,
that he-- they were going to voicemail.
[Scott] We had family members,
Jackson family members coming in,
and people wanting some questions answered,
as well as us.
[Jermaine] It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest
in his home.
A team of doctors, including emergency physicians
and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him.
[Orlando] The emergency room physician,
they believed it was a heart attack,
partly because of what Mr. Murray had told them.
Never told them anything about any other narcotics
or anything. They just believed he had had a heart attack
and stopped breathing.
[dramatic music playing]
So here we are at the Carolwood house.
That day...
by the time I got here,
we had to block off this side of the street,
the entrance side of the street, and it was full of media vans.
We had never seen anything like it.
I had never seen anything like it.
[suspenseful music playing]
[Orlando] There was the room
where Dr. Murray treated Mr. Jackson,
and then there was a locked room,
which was, uh, Mr. Jackson's bedroom.
[dramatic music playing]
There was a fireplace in the room and it was roaring,
so the room was very, very hot.
There were, like, Post-it notes or pieces of paper taped,
uh, all over the room on mirrors, on doors
with little slogans and phrases.
I don't know if they were lyrics or thoughts,
or some of them seemed like poems.
The bedroom was...
it was a mess.
In the room where he was being treated,
it did not seem like a room fit
for any type of medical treatment.
Not even like a home, makeshift medical suite.
It was just... bare bones.
I just remember going in there and there was an IV stand
and a saline bag
and just various medications strewn about.
[Orlando] There was a computer on the bed,
there was a lifelike, uh, doll on the bed,
and kind of like advertisements of, uh, pictures with babies.
Everybody knew about the allegations
that had been leveled
against Mr. Jackson over the years.
One of the things when I saw the laptop on the bed,
do I go into it?
But... you have to realize
the type of case I was investigating.
When you get, you know, hold of an investigation,
you have to kind of whittle out
what is and what isn't.
[Dan] It's like with any case, um, you don't allow
whatever the victim was into prior to his death.
Your investigation is focused on, "How did he die?"
and "Who was responsible for it?"
[Orlando] In the room where he was being treated,
a bottle of Propofol...
had fallen on the ground
and rolled under this moving nightstand.
I didn't know what it did.
That ended up being a huge deal later.
I had no medical background whatsoever.
My neighbor was a doctor, so I went to my neighbor
and I asked him about it,
and my neighbor was the one who got it started of,
"Whoa, what is this doing here?"
"This is only used in surgeries,
this is used to put people under."
[ambient music playing]
[Orlando] We had put it out in the press
that we were looking for Dr. Murray.
We still didn't think
that there was anything criminal going on.
The only thing that we knew was this surgery drug
was at the location
and it shouldn't have been there.
The next day, we get a call.
His attorney has been in contact.
He consents to an interview.
So our plan was to let him talk,
and, uh, that's what we did.
[Orlando, on recording] So, um, how long have you been a doctor
for Mr. Jackson?
[Conrad, on recording] I first, um, started
attending to him in 2006.
[Orlando] And it was continuous, 2006 on?
-[Conrad] No. Well, no. -[Orlando] Or on and off?
[Conrad] Off and on, intermittent.
[Orlando] Okay.
We didn't know what happened,
we didn't want to assume anything,
and we wanted to give the doctor an opportunity
to dig his own hole, if that was the case.
[interviewer] So it's just you and Michael?
[Conrad] Usually, that's how it is.
[interviewer] Okay. On this night, it was just you
-and Michael? -[Conrad] Just myself and him.
[Scott] And he proceeded to tell us that, you know,
Michael just couldn't sleep, he was just so amped up
about this upcoming concert.
He, by nature,
had a hard time sleeping.
He gave him some drugs.
[Scott] Some Valium, Lorazepam, and Diazepam,
and a few others to try and calm Michael to try
and get him to rest, to fall asleep,
-and nothing works. -[Conrad] He was wide awake.
I said, "Do you feel a little bit drowsy?"
"Do you think your eyes are telling you
you wanna sleep?" He said, "No."
Dr. Murray says, "You know, after trying
all these various things, nothing was working,
and it's in the early morning hours of the next day
and, uh, so finally, I just gave Michael his milk."
[Conrad] At that time, he said, well, um...
"I'd like to have... some milk."
[Orlando] Milk?
Hot, cold milk? What are we talking about?
He says, "Oh, well, that's a-- it's a medication.
Does the medication have a name?
He says, "Well, it's Propofol."
And this was again a big revelation
during this interview that Propofol's mentioned.
[Scott, on recording] And what is this, uh, Propofol?
[Conrad] It is a sedative
that can also be used for anesthesia.
He freely admits that for months he's been using this
to help Mr. Jackson sleep.
[Scott] Okay. You've administered it
-more than ten times? -[Conrad] Yes.
[Scott] More than 20 times?
[Conrad] Thirty days a month roughly, every day.
-[Orlando] So it's a daily-- -[Scott] A daily.
In my head I was thinking what the heck.
To drug someone to sleep, even with their permission,
the way that he did.
I didn't think it was legal.
[Conrad] I monitored. I sat there and watched him
for long enough a period that I felt was comfortable.
[Orlando] He gave him Propofol and then goes to the bathroom,
comes back, Mr. Jackson's not breathing.
[Conrad] So I started immediately to perform CPR
and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
He goes into a panic,
uh, he tries CPR while Michael's on the bed,
he summons Alberto Alvarez, the head of security,
and, ultimately, Alberto Alvarez is the one that calls 911.
[dramatic music playing]
[Orlando] When we reviewed the CCTV at the mansion,
we saw that he carried in a bag with him,
and also the family and the security staff told us
he would always carry a bag with him.
When he went to the hospital,
he did not have the bag with him.
The biggest, uh, "aha" moment was
when I had asked Dr. Murray
where his bags were.
[Scott, on recording] Where-- Where's your bag
where those syringes would be at now?
-[Chernoff] Oh, really? -[Conrad] I don't have them.
[Chernoff] I thought you left it there?
He was assuming that we had it.
You haven't got my bags?
Once he realized we didn't have that, he's like,
you know, a deer in headlights look, if you will.
You know, legally we can search
the areas that are relevant.
It wasn't in the room that was relevant.
[Conrad] If you walk into the dressing room
and you turn right, the high level top,
the bags are right there with the items in it.
You know, in those moments, people aren't their sharpest,
they're not thinking the best,
so it's our job to take those little mistakes
that people make and build the case on them.
[dramatic music playing]
[Orlando] First thing Monday morning,
we went to the house,
we went to where Dr. Murray had said the medical bag was.
A different room, in a closet,
in a cubby above the closet, we recovered the bag.
We recovered a treasure trove of evidence
from Murray's doctor's bag.
[Orlando] We found a bunch of more medicines
that he had used.
Like Propofol and Lidocaine.
One of the other things we found was we found all the waste,
all the trash, the needles,
the empty bottles,
the stuff that, when we went into the room,
should have been laying around.
So we knew that sometime during this medical emergency,
Dr. Murray had stopped
either giving CPR
or had waited to give CPR,
and cleaned up everything.
So we're thinking what could be the reasons for that.
Within 48 hours, it appeared that it was a suspicious death,
in the sense that there was something
more than just an overdose.
If your goal is to preserve the life
of the person that you're giving CPR to,
why would you pause that to pick up trash?
Unless you were trying to hide something.
If he wouldn't have told us where it was, or if he would've
taken it with him, we wouldn't have had it,
we would have lost that element of the hiding,
the trying to cover up.
[Dan] We were now looking at Murray.
He was behind the death.
[dramatic music playing]
Not only do you have to do
what you can for the victim,
but you also have to take into account the organization.
[Dan] You're donning a uniform that has--
that's been a part of history,
and growing up with the stories that you'd heard
from the Manson cases,
you know, Marilyn Monroe, all these notorious cases
that you'd seen and heard about growing up,
were part of LAPD.
[Orlando] Historically, our department had not had
very much success on high-profile cases.
We had, um, lost the OJ case,
everybody remembers the Bronco chase.
Ourselves and the DA's office allowed him
to turn himself in,
and it turned into a pursuit
and a hostage situation, just ridiculous.
[Dan] And even though you have this overwhelming
amount of evidence to secure a conviction,
you don't get it.
[female juror] We the jury in the above-entitled action
find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson
not guilty of the crime of murder,
a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
a human being, as charged in Count 1 of the information.
For us working the cases,
we didn't want to make the same mistakes
that had been made in the department's memory
and in the public memory.
There was a lot of pressure to get it right.
Me personally, I thought that it was gonna be horrible.
The public scrutiny,
the second guessing.
[man] This is kind of like when, um,
the generation when Kennedy was assassinated.
I now will remember that I was in Times Square,
you know, when I found out that Michael Jackson passed away.
[Scott] There was a lot more pressure, if you will.
There was a lot of eyes on us, obviously,
to get the job done.
It was daunting at times.
[dramatic music playing]
[Scott] When I showed up to go into the autopsy,
you know, they had a little cover over the window,
and they were looking to make sure it's just me
and no one else is around, and they open the door
and they usher me in right away and close the door and lock it.
And I'm like, "Oh my gosh," you know,
we're in a controlled environment,
this is your office, this is a coroner's office,
what's the problem?
Everything had been cleared out of there.
I remember it being close to, uh, five hours long.
It was extraordinarily long.
The thing that was odd that I found myself
periodically looking at was, you know, his head, his scalp,
because whenever he was out in public, he was wearing a wig.
[dramatic music playing]
Looking at his scalp and the top of his head
and being, you know, severely scarred,
hardly any hair at all on the sides
to what he had looked like in public with the flowing hair,
um, that was, you know, a bit different.
Not defending his use of prescription medicine
by any means, but, you know,
when you experience something like that,
it kinda opens up the door for painkillers
and whatever else that may lead to.
But other than that, it truly just...
let's do this and get it done. Yeah.
Blood is drawn,
uh, and then that blood is sent to a toxicology unit,
so the initial autopsy didn't show much,
you know, nothing much that you wouldn't be shocked
a 50-year-old body would have.
He was relatively healthy, you know.
This isn't a man who should have died.
[reporter] Although the official cause of death has yet
to be determined, the coroner's office says
it has everything needed to make a ruling
-on why Jackson died. -We're still waiting
for the toxicology reports
and the further completion of all the reports
-that are coming in. -[man] The body was removed...
It was weeks that went by, and we kept asking,
"When are we going to hear from toxicology?"
"When are we gonna hear?"
We had a death,
but we didn't have a criminal death yet.
[dramatic music playing]
[woman] It's official.
Michael Jackson's death was a homicide.
[crowd cheering]
[woman] The LA County coroner's office says
the cause of death was an acute intoxication
from the anesthetic Propofol.
[Orlando] Once the toxicology report came back,
it gave us a lot more-- a lot more power
behind our investigation.
Other than going on a hunch, now we're going on facts.
[Dan] And then there became the idea of, how bad?
That was the big question, "How bad is this?"
[Scott] Ultimately, the toxicology results,
you had those over here
and you have Dr. Murray's statement here,
it just wasn't jiving.
There was just no way
that what he said was factual to what they found out.
He had enough Propofol in him to drop a rhinoceros.
[Dan] He could no longer breathe on his own,
and Murray had not set up an environment
to allow for artificial means of breathing,
which is reckless... gross negligence.
[ambient music playing]
[Orlando] This is a bottle that people pee into
when they're bedridden.
This was found at the bedside and it was full.
He used the restroom
without having to get out of bed.
What it made us think was that he was completely incapacitated,
that someone was caring for him to that extent.
Seeing things like this, I realized that...
he wasn't being helped to fall asleep,
he was being kept under.
As a consequence, not having the strength
or the ability to get up and go to the restroom,
just take care of business and continue sleeping.
[woman 1] We stand up and fight for the doctor.
[woman 2] We stand up for Michael.
[woman 1] We fight for the doctor.
[protesters] Justice for Michael!
Justice for Michael!
[Dan] What we did is we took our case,
and this included all of our interviews,
all of our statements, and, most significantly,
the toxicology reports and the autopsy reports.
We had 11 physicians
and I think five or six different specialties
review this material
and were asked to render an opinion.
As I was looking for doctors to evaluate the level of care,
I came across Dr. Shafer.
He was instrumental in developing Propofol.
[Shafer] I demonstrated that in statement after statement
after statement in Conrad Murray's interview,
what he said made no sense, it was not possible.
He just asserted things that were not true.
He-- You would need a continuous drip
of the Propofol and not a shot, not an injection
like Dr. Murray had said he had used.
It wears off really quickly.
[Shafer] So what I'm simulating right here,
uh, is the dose that Conrad Murray claims
was available to Michael Jackson and the defense claimed,
um, resulted in Michael Jackson's death,
a dose of just 25 milligrams.
Two and a half CCs of drug, which is ridiculous.
It only lasts for a few seconds,
and this was the whole point of the mathematics
that I presented,
and the heart, of course, keeps pumping.
So we know that there was a 100CC vial
hanging over Michael Jackson.
Knowing it was empty, we can see exactly
how over a period of about 30 to 40 minutes
it enters into a dose that would be associated
with a lethal concentration of drug in a patient
who wasn't being looked after, because they're really under
pretty deep general anesthesia at that point in time,
and this corresponds to having an empty 100ml vial
hanging over Michael Jackson's head.
And I thought, oh, my God, this is it.
This is the smoking gun. This is actually
the bottle of Propofol that killed Michael Jackson.
[ambient music playing]
What we discovered was one of the IV bags
had been emptied.
One of the Propofol bottles had been upside down
inside the bag.
There's a bottle of Propofol inside an IV bag?
I mean one of the single weirdest details.
[Orlando] There was a big tear,
a pike or a needle that is large
would have broken the top of the Propofol bottle,
so that it could drip freely down.
Basically, Murray was using the saline bag
to hang the bottle of Propofol from the stand,
but also I think to hide it,
because he didn't want anybody to know
he was using Propofol.
So to get an idea of just how crazy this is,
the anesthetic drugs are all dangerous,
there is really no access
outside of the healthcare setting.
We have pumps that are set up that are precisely calibrated,
and we precisely control the dose.
He had an IV line coming down from here
and it's got a little roller clamp on the side,
and you just adjust this little roller clamp.
It's a gravity-fed system, there is almost--
there's very little control on the rate of the drug,
and that's what he was using. It's insane.
Nobody trained in Propofol administration
would not precisely control the infusion rate.
Nobody trained in the use of Propofol
would ever walk away from a patient
who is receiving Propofol as a continuous infusion.
Physicians with no training in anesthesia
have no business giving Propofol.
[Orlando] So at that point, we knew
this was not an honest mistake,
but that this was on purpose, bad medicine.
An MD degree is not a license
to do whatever the hell you wanna do
and just think you can get away with it.
[dramatic music playing]
One of the challenges in the investigation was
the uncooperative witnesses.
Um, one of those was Dr. Murray's girlfriend.
Um, when we finally served the search warrant
at the-- at her apartment,
the whole place had been cleaned out.
There was nothing to show that Dr. Murray had been there,
stayed there, frequented there at all.
Fortunately, they had missed behind one of the bookcases.
Behind one of the bookcases,
we found a receipt for a pharmacy.
That led us to the Propofol.
These items here are what we found
at Nicole Alvarez's house.
So it brings me back to remembering
how, uh, difficult things were when dealing with her.
This business card and this receipt were
the only things in his name at her place.
This led us to the pharmacy.
When we arrived at the pharmacy,
the pharmacy had all the records ready.
They had been following the news and they knew
that the police would be there eventually.
And as you go through, you can see all the amounts.
One case of the 100ml bottles,
one case of the 20ml bottles,
in June, four cases of the 100ml bottles,
all of the amounts,
it's over five gallons worth of Propofol.
[Shafer] A massive amount of Propofol,
a massive amount of Propofol was shipped
to his girlfriend's house.
[Scott] We found that there was other doctors
that Michael had reached out to
in hopes of, uh, being administered Propofol,
and, uh, he was turned down.
[Dan] That relationship was a perfect storm.
Michael first got introduced to Propofol
through a dental procedure, and he liked it.
He felt like, "Wow, this is the best way to go to sleep."
[Scott] That was his drug of choice,
and he was looking for doctors that would administer that,
you know, as wrong as it was.
[dramatic music playing]
[Orlando] Usually, you think of a doctor as someone
very successful and ethical and distinguished.
Why they would risk a patient's life for anything,
what would make it worth it?
[Scott] We had search warrants out
in, uh, Las Vegas, at his residence
as well as his, uh, place of business in Las Vegas
and then his office, uh, out in Houston, Texas.
[Orlando] We get into finances, we get into business dealings,
and his relationships.
We executed a search warrant
down at the Armstrong Medical Clinic this morning
with members from the DEA
and the Houston Police Department
and, uh, we are from LAPD Robbery/Homicide division.
[Dan] He had several children,
we would learn several of them by several different wives.
He would go out to places of adult entertainment
and spend outrageous amounts of money.
He would put on a show
and not be able to support it financially.
He would leverage his closeness to a celebrity
to manipulate young women into relationships with him.
[Dan] We knew that he had purchased a home in October,
in Las Vegas, uh, for over a million dollars,
and his mortgage was $10,000 a month,
and he had stopped paying it.
[dramatic music playing]
He... had censures from different states
where he had-- he practiced medicine.
[dramatic music playing]
[Orlando] With these different medical boards, they sent us
the files of the complaints and the penalties
that they would impose on Dr. Murray
when he would violate their rules.
We saw a pattern of sloppy behavior.
[Scott] A private physician to Michael Jackson
and here he is, uh, just an absolute mess,
you know, yeah, surprising.
[Orlando] This is what I recovered from, uh, his car,
the doctor's car.
[dramatic music playing]
This was the contract uh, as we first found it.
The agreement between Dr. Murray,
AEG, and, uh, Mr. Jackson.
"The producer shall remit payment to Dr. Murray
in the amount of $150,000 per month."
So this is where the money came into it.
[crowd cheering]
[Scott] Michael had started working,
preparing for this huge comeback tour,
and that's when he had reached out, Michael,
and, uh, told AEG that he wanted Conrad Murray with him.
And, initially, AEG was like, you know,
London is not a third world country,
they have fabulous doctors over there,
what do you need your own physician for?
[Dan] And Michael's response to his managers were,
"Listen, the President of the Unites States
has a physician travel with him,
I want a physician to travel with me."
[Scott] Dr. Murray agreed to go ahead and accompany him,
and, uh, provide Michael with what he wanted.
[Orlando] So he needed this gig with Mr. Jackson,
either to pay off or to keep up with his debts.
[Dan] He had the right motive.
He needed money.
[dramatic music playing]
[indistinct radio chatter]
[Scott] Ultimately, the decision was made
to, uh, charge Dr. Murray with involuntary manslaughter,
as opposed to second-degree murder.
The DA's office didn't want another high-profile failure.
It was an election year for the district attorney.
I think it was a--
I don't wanna say the lazy way out,
uh, but again, a manslaughter charge was, you know,
the path of least resistance.
The family wasn't happy with it at all.
Mrs. Jackson was just beside herself
that it wasn't going to be a second-degree murder file.
[Dan] We felt the evidence suggests
that it was a second degree.
The level of his negligence was just so clear
that we thought that it would apply.
We do not charge people,
we investigate the case and we present it.
We were not happy with the choice,
but we deal with what we can and, uh, we move forward.
[Scott] When I felt a little pressure, I guess,
is when it came time to arrest Dr. Murray.
[Dan] We wanted to see Murray in handcuffs,
and I think a lot, you know,
of people wanted to see him in handcuffs.
[Scott] His attorneys didn't want Dr. Murray
to be seen in handcuffs in public,
because that's not good for his image.
Neither is killing somebody but...
[Orlando] Behind our backs, the DA's office made
that agreement with Dr. Murray's attorneys.
[crowd shouting]
[Scott] The doctor turned himself in,
voluntary surrender.
[camera shutters clicking]
You know, I'm of the opinion that regardless of who you are,
or what walk of life you come from,
uh, if you've done wrong,
then you need to answer for that.
[dramatic music playing]
I am an innocent man.
I, therefore, plead not guilty.
Again, he feels he'd done nothing wrong,
it wasn't his fault.
He's just-- He's an arrogant individual.
[dramatic music playing]
[David] Conrad Murray, figuratively
and literally, abandoned Michael Jackson.
We look at Murray's phone records.
That was a big, huge piece.
We could see Murray on his phone at certain times.
He left this vulnerable man filled with Valium,
and Midazolam, and Lorazepam, and Propofol,
with no medical monitoring equipment,
no necessary resuscitative equipment.
He left him there, abandoned him
to fend for himself.
So as far as stepping away for a minute
and going to the bathroom and coming back
and, "Oh, my gosh, Michael's dead," no.
He was sending emails, reviewing a contract,
and he was also on the telephone with various people.
While he was on the phone,
he realized that Mr. Jackson was not breathing.
I heard, um, mumbling of voices,
it sounded like the phone was maybe in his pocket
or something, it was... [imitates noise]
and I heard coughing.
We looked at the timelines of the 911 call.
It was, I think, around 20 to 25 minutes
after that call with Sade Anding.
[Orlando] Mr. Murray started cleaning up
the mess that he had left,
covering up the medical treatment that he was giving,
put that away,
called for help from security, directed them to call 911
while he gave ineffective, one-handed CPR...
and then travelled to the hospital
with Mr. Jackson.
Dr. Murray fled the hospital before we arrived,
waited a couple of days to get his story straight,
and, ultimately,
was, uh, prosecuted for his conduct.
[woman] We the jury in the above-entitled action
find the defendant, Conrad Robert Murray,
guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter.
[crowd cheering]
That's how that turned out.
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[Dan] Should it have been a second-degree murder?
Yeah, I think it could have been.
Unfortunately, that is not a choice
that we were able to make.
The biggest thing is that he does not get
his medical license back in any state,
and I-- I personally don't see that happening.
And I'm just trying to keep it light and polite here,
uh, but yeah. He's-- He's in his own world,
he's in his own world, Dr. Murray.
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[Orlando] I think that this case,
we actually had the answers.
We won't be in that book of unsolved murders,
all the big ones where we've failed.
At least my name won't be, uh, put--
put in the same place as those.
It's something I'll never forget, obviously,
for the rest of my life.
Uh, one hell of an experience. Yeah, no regrets.
In big cases like this, um, sometimes, you know,
friendships can really dissolve, but not in this case.
It was, uh, we all lived happily ever after.
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[Orlando] As soon as this one was over,
it comes to, "This is what we expect of you."
You get your next murder and you move forward.
[Orlando] About four years after the trial,
I was driving home, uh, from work.
I look over to my left and I see this green,
older, nice Mercedes.
I feel someone staring at me.
I look over and it's the same car,
and I see Dr. Murray.
It took me a few seconds to register that it was him,
and by that time our cars had separated,
but I never saw any double takes
or any instant moment of recognition.
At that time, I was-- I wondered
whether or not he would start practicing medicine again.
Do you give someone like that a second chance?
Someone who's done their time
for the crime that they've committed.
When do you let it go?
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