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MARIANA VAN ZELLER:
Maybe tell me a little bit
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about your day today.
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You wake up and
then what happens?
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GOTTI: I wake up, make sure
my sons are in school,
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and then drive
all over creation,
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looking at these
young, pretty girls.
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MAN: Train stations.
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MAN: Instagram.
WOMAN: Instagram.
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MAN: Facebook.
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MAN: County jail.
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All‐night Denny's.
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MARIANA:
First comes the seduction.
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Then comes the reality.
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LADY P: After a couple of days
of drinking and smoking,
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now you got to walk the street.
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MARIANA:
This is a story about pimps.
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How they work, how they think,
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and what they'll do
to grab their share
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of the billion‐dollar market
for illicit sex in America.
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(knocking)
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JACK KNIFE: I'm not saying
what I do is right,
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but I'm a wolf out here
to survive on these streets.
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Because I'm not
gonna be no sheep.
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(sirens)
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♪ ♪
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(siren)
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MICHELLE: The very first time
I ever did it,
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it was a complete rush.
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And then you just kind of
start to get used to it.
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MARIANA: What is it like when
you're, when you're out there?
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MICHELLE: It's cold.
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It's really cold.
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This is a good amount
of clothes.
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We've seen girls out there in
just like a bra and underwear.
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MARIANA: In the winter?
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MICHELLE: In the winter,
in the rain.
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A lot of them can't leave
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until they are told
that they can come back in.
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MARIANA: By their pimps?
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MICHELLE: Yeah. Pimps.
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MARIANA: Is it dangerous?
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MICHELLE:
Oh, it's extremely dangerous.
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Vehicles pull up to us
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that you don't know if
they're just gonna roll by
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and just start shooting at you.
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Like a rival pimp,
that you're working for someone,
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and that's technically
their enemy,
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so instead of going
after the pimp,
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they're gonna go
after the girls.
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MARIANA: How often are you
approached by pimps?
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MICHELLE: Almost every time
we're out there.
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MARIANA: And you've been doing
this for how long?
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MICHELLE: I've been doing this
for around three years.
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MARIANA: Was it soon after you
joined the police department or?
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MICHELLE: Um, it was a good
chunk of time after.
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MARIANA: Michelle,
as we'll call her,
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is one of two
Oakland police officers
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who will be going undercover
tonight as decoys.
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So how do you...
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MICHELLE: We have people
very close.
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MARIANA: Watching?
MICHELLE: Mm‐hmm.
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MICHELLE: And we do have
our firearms on us also.
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MARIANA:
Oh, you take a gun with you?
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MICHELLE: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Where?
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MICHELLE:
We just, we make it work.
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MARIANA: Sex trafficking has
become front‐page news recently,
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thanks to high‐profile cases
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like that of multi‐millionaire
Jeffrey Epstein.
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NEWSCASTER: For several years,
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Epstein was operating
a sex trafficking ring.
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MARIANA: Not long ago,
sex trafficking was thought
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to be largely
a transnational problem,
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with criminal networks
smuggling undocumented women
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across borders
to work as sex slaves,
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but there's a far more
common variety,
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happening in every U. S. city,
big and small,
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that sees Americans
exploiting other Americans.
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No state reports more cases
than California.
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And by all accounts,
Oakland is a hot spot.
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POLICE OFFICER: Thanks,
everyone, for being here,
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we're doing
a decoy operation today.
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It's very dangerous
for the decoys.
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Stay out of sight. Keep close.
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If we do arrest a pimp,
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we're gonna call a Code 3
response for an arrest.
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MARIANA: The goal of the
operation is to disrupt business
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around one of California's most
notorious prostitution tracks,
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International Boulevard
in East Oakland.
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It's a place where pimps
have long been known
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to sell underage girls.
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You guys used to go after
mainly the women
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working on the streets,
and you've since shift,
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and are now going
after the traffickers
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and the johns,
the demand as well.
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When did that happen?
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JIMMY BEERE:
October of last year. Yeah.
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MARIANA:
Just October of last year.
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JIMMY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Pretty recent change.
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JIMMY:
Yes, pretty recent change.
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And we want to target
what's fueling the demand
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here in Oakland.
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We want to go after
the exploiters,
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the ones that are victimizing
our young women.
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So by attacking the demand
and making people know
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that Oakland's not a place
that's gonna tolerate
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forcing people
into prostitution.
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MARIANA: Lieutenant Jimmy Beere
is the commander
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of the vice unit and
my guide for the evening.
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JIMMY: When a john pulls up,
they pull up real slow,
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kind of to check out the girls,
see how they look.
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Window shopping, I hate to say.
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Pimp, on the other hand,
they want to make it known
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they're the big dog
in this neighborhood.
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So, they usually swoop up
onto the corner really fast.
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Anything intimidating,
like do a burnout
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and take off at
a really high rate of speed.
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MAN: Got a male Hispanic
on foot
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talking to the girls right now.
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JIMMY: Swoop signal on the dude
with the bald head.
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(siren)
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MAN: He just got into a white
'80s model Toyota pickup truck.
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JIMMY: Yeah, that's it
right there. Positive ID.
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MARIANA: It's happening,
you see that?
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JIMMY: Yeah, they're
arresting him right now.
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MARIANA: The decoys move
several blocks away
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and start working
on another corner.
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Within minutes, a car pulls up.
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JIMMY: He's hauling ass
to get out of here.
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MARIANA: Yeah.
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That's him.
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What do you find with
the majority of these johns?
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What's sort of the profile?
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JIMMY: As you see already,
it's been, like, one male Asian,
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one male Hispanic,
one male Black.
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Typically, there'll be
a male white next,
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you know, if I'm gonna,
if I'm gonna bet.
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MARIANA: And young, old,
married, single?
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JIMMY: All of that. All of that.
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Yeah, there's no real
profile of a john.
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WOMAN: There's a male
in a Lexus
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hanging out the window
with a gun.
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JIMMY: Oh, (bleep).
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Might have a guy pointing guns
at the prostitutes.
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(siren)
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MARIANA: Quickly,
it becomes clear
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that they could arrest johns
all night long.
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(siren)
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But it's not the johns
they're really after.
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JIMMY: We're trying
to draw the pimp out.
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Lure him out from
behind the shadows.
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Try to get them to actually
recruit one of our girls
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and then we go after him.
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MARIANA: Do you think they're
making more money as pimps
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than they are if they
were selling drugs?
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JIMMY: Yes.
MARIANA: Why?
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JIMMY: There's more of it.
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There's more demand.
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You don't have to buy
the product,
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so I don't have to come
out‐of‐pocket.
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I don't have to package it.
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I'm not being at risk
for holding on to it.
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Renewable product
that never expires
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as long as she's still alive.
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And if she's alive,
she better be making money.
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MARIANA: The challenge is
actually finding them,
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or getting them.
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JIMMY: That's it.
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BARACK OBAMA: Our fight
against human trafficking
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is one of the great human rights
causes of our time.
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And the United States
will continue to lead it.
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DONALD TRUMP: We will not rest
until we've stopped
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every last human trafficker and
liberated every last survivor.
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MARIANA: The fight against
trafficking seems to be
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one of the few issues
that transcends politics.
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But all of that attention
hides an ugly truth,
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that busting sex traffickers
is extremely difficult,
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in part because their victims
are often afraid to testify.
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JIMMY: It's more difficult
to solve these cases,
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I would venture to say,
than murder charges.
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MARIANA: For these pimps, that
means the risk is relatively low
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and the profits sky high,
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a combination that
must be irresistible,
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which is exactly why
I want to find one.
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(rapping)
♪ Cash, cash, cash, cash ♪
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♪ I will not stop
till I'm filthy rich ♪
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♪ I made a dollar
out of 50 cents ♪
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♪ I made the track
over 50 bricks ♪
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♪ .22 on me like... ♪
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My search begins on Instagram.
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That's where I learn that pimps
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have their own ecosystem
of hashtags.
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There's this one hashtag, 3‐0‐4.
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If you turn around 304,
it actually spells "hoe."
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Can't show a lot of these faces,
but #GameRelated,
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#PGO, Pimp Game On,
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#HGO, which means Ho Game On,
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#IZM, which is, like,
the swagger.
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More jewelry, more diamonds.
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This display of
wealth and power.
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These stacks of cash.
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All of this is just a way
to show these women
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what their lives could be like
if they were working for them.
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I have no idea if
any of these guys
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are actually pimps
or just playing the part.
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But for some, it certainly feels
like their social media feed
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is the marketing arm
of their operation.
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Doesn't seem like
they're very ashamed
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or trying to hide what
they're doing at all.
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In fact, they want
to show it off.
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Over several weeks, I message
countless guys and a few women,
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asking if any of them
would be up for talking.
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I get mostly silence.
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Then finally, a breakthrough.
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I stumble upon a genre of book
I didn't know existed:
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the pimp memoir.
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That's how I found Mickey Royal.
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Sure enough,
the author of The Pimp Game
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agrees to meet me at a motel
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in the heart of
South Central Los Angeles.
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I'm hopeful that Mickey
will be the key
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to finding my way inside
his former profession.
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How are you?
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MICKEY ROYAL: Alright.
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MARIANA: Mariana.
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MICKEY: Mickey Royal.
At your service.
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MARIANA: Hi, Mickey,
so nice to meet you.
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MICKEY: Same here. Likewise.
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I didn't really start
really pimping
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until I was about 19 or 20.
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I came from a drug and gang
background,
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so I always thought of that
particular life as being weak,
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you know, because if
it didn't involve a pistol,
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I wasn't interested.
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But it was something
about the allure of it.
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It just sucks you in,
and I fell in love with it.
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DREXL SPIVEY: I know I'm pretty.
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MARIANA: The allure of pimping
is no secret.
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GOLDIE: I want you to
get yourself together
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and get back out there
and get me my money.
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MARIANA: From movies
to music videos...
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50 CENT:
♪ That I'm a ‐‐‐‐ P‐I‐M‐P ♪
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MARIANA: ...to Seinfeld.
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(laughter)
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Very few underworld figures
have gotten as much love
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from pop culture as the pimp.
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But I want to know
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how the business of pimping
really works.
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Mickey offers
to take me for a tour
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of the most infamous track
in L. A.
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Where are we heading?
Where are we going?
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MICKEY: We're headed
to Figueroa.
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It's referred to as
the track, the blade.
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It's been around since the '60s.
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We're talking about 95 blocks.
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MARIANA: Wow.
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MICKEY: 95 blocks.
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MARIANA: How dangerous is it,
do you think?
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MICKEY:
It's extremely dangerous.
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You got the tricks
you have to worry about.
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You have upsetting the pimp
you have to worry about.
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Kidnapping, stabbings,
shootings, plenty of them.
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You're talking about
a profession
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where sexual assault and rape
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are just occupational
daily hazards.
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MARIANA: So, I've lived in
Los Angeles for over 10 years,
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and I know Figueroa,
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but I have never seen
any of this till tonight.
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MICKEY: That's why I call it
the Shadow World.
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It exists at night
and broad daylight.
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She's working to the right.
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MARIANA:
Oh, she's wearing a bikini.
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MICKEY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: It's also freezing.
It's 46 degrees outside.
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MICKEY: I mean,
you got to understand,
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if they have pimps or whatever,
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they can make extra money
by being seen from a distance,
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they're not even allowed
to wear jackets.
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See how they both were naked?
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More than likely,
they have the same pimp.
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MARIANA: Was that a thing?
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Where your girls that worked
with you dressed the same?
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MICKEY: Yeah, 'cause
it's easier to shop
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for all of them
at the same time.
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MARIANA: So all these
three girls have the same shoes.
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Does that mean that they work
for the same pimp?
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MICKEY: More than likely.
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MARIANA: She was so young.
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She looked like she was
like 15 or something.
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Did you see that?
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MICKEY: Yeah. You'll see
a lot of those.
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MARIANA: I mean, it's dozens
and dozens and dozens of women
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that we've seen so far in, what,
in about 20 blocks, right?
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MICKEY: Right.
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You should see them on
Friday and Saturday night.
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It's like a concert.
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(siren)
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MARIANA: So where would you be?
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Imagine a girl
would be on this corner.
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Where would you be?
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MICKEY: Sitting in the car
not far away.
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MARIANA: Oh, watching her.
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MICKEY: Yeah.
MARIANA: Why?
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MICKEY: To make sure she's okay.
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And I figured that was my job.
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MARIANA: And if you had
more than one girl,
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how do you do that?
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MICKEY: You cruise around.
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You might sit here for about 10
minutes until she gets a date,
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see where it goes, and then
you cruise up to see this one.
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Pull up on one,
you collect your money.
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But she's not gonna
get any dates
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while you're sitting there.
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MARIANA: We've been circling
the same stretch of blocks
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several times when
Mickey gets spooked.
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MICKEY: Okay, that's, uh,
we got to go somewhere else.
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MARIANA: What happened?
MICKEY: That's them.
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MARIANA: Why? What happened?
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MICKEY:
It's starting to get hot.
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MARIANA: What do you mean?
What'd he do?
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MICKEY: Once we got made,
as far as the cameras,
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what'll happen is they'll start
telling everybody what they saw
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and pointing out the car.
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MICKEY: You don't
want to do that.
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No. You want to call it a night
right now, trust me.
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MARIANA: I follow
Mickey's advice,
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but I'm still hopeful he can
connect me to an active pimp.
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So, we've been working on
this story for a long time,
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and it's been really hard
to get people to talk to us,
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especially people who are
currently in the game.
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MICKEY: Yeah,
you won't get that.
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MARIANA: I mean, if you were
currently doing it,
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would you even admit it to us?
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MICKEY: No.
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You hopping out
with the cameras,
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you're better off
pulling guns on me.
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No.
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Guns I'll challenge,
the camera I'll just run.
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No.
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MARIANA: Why not?
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MICKEY: Because if you want
to get away with a crime,
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it has to be a secret.
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Simple as that.
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MARIANA: After our interview,
Mickey pulls me aside.
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He gives me a name, a number,
and a promise.
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One phone call later,
doors begin to open.
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(phone ringing)
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NINA: Hello?
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MARIANA: Hi, it's Mariana here.
How are you?
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NINA: I'm fine.
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MARIANA: Mickey gave me
your number
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and said that you'd be
willing to talk to us.
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We'd love to meet with you at
a place somewhere in Inglewood
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if you're available.
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NINA: Yes.
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MARIANA: Okay. And you're
bringing some people
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that work with you, right?
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NINA: Right.
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MARIANA: That hotel, is that
the place you want to meet?
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NINA: Right. Yeah.
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MARIANA: Have you worked
out of there?
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NINA: Yeah.
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MARIANA: So, we've rented
this motel room.
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It's a place that they've said
they've worked at before.
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We were supposed to meet here
an hour ago.
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They still haven't showed up.
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But we're, you know,
we're hoping they will.
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It's been really hard
to get people to talk to us,
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so it sounded really positive,
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and I'm hoping that
they will show up tonight.
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MARIANA: Oh, hi.
NINA: Nice to meet you.
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MARIANA: I'm Mariana.
How are you?
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NINA: I'm fine.
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MARIANA: Come on in.
Thanks for meeting us here.
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'Cause I know you want us
to disguise your identities.
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So, we actually got all
these masks here for you.
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BEE: That's more me.
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MARIANA:
That's a real pretty one.
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It's funny because
when I looked at them
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and I was trying to figure out
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which one I would wear
if it was me,
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I changed my mind
about three times.
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WOMAN: Right.
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BEE: Perfect.
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WOMAN: A little bit,
here, over the...
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BEE: Uh‐uh. I like this.
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MARIANA: So, we're very close
to Figueroa,
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which is one of the most famous
tracks or blades in Los Angeles.
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Have you guys
ever been out there?
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NINA: I have.
BEE: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Do you think that a lot
of the women that are working
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out on the blade, the track,
they all have pimps?
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BEE: I say 80% of them do.
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NINA: Yeah.
HONEY: I say, yeah.
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MARIANA: Did you have a pimp?
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NINA:
When I first started out, no.
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I was just,
"Hey, let's get away."
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You know what I mean?
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But I did try it out.
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Like, guys wanted me
to be they ho.
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And, you know,
I'll hang around them
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or kick it with their female
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and see how
their environment was,
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and it just wasn't for me.
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It was a lot of violence.
It was a lot of jealousy.
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I didn't see where
the money was going.
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MARIANA: Why do you think
other women do it, then?
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NINA: Daddy issues.
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Seeking attention,
might've been molested.
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Might feel that they need
to be valued by a man
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and not really know
they value for they self.
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HONEY: Yeah,
there's a lot of people
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that grow up in broken homes.
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Not having that father figure
is like a huge part
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in a young girl's life.
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When you don't seek and get
that love that you deserve,
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it pushes you to
a whole 'nother state
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that you can't really
explain or describe.
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You just feel the pain.
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MARIANA: Do you think that
the pimps know that
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and they exploit that?
They go after those...
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HONEY: Yeah, that's how
they abuse you.
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That's how they get you
to never leave.
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And that's why most girls
that's my age,
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they get stuck and they live
like that for a very long time.
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MARIANA: The more we talk,
the more I realize
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how many different ways women
are pulled onto the streets.
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This is a woman we'll call Bee.
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Prostitution is not her day job;
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just something she does
after her shifts as a nurse.
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BEE: Paying for school.
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So it was, like,
I'm doing it anyway.
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Why not?
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I mean, I'm not ashamed,
I'm not ashamed of it.
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So it's like it ain't
no need to be ashamed.
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Everybody having sex.
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Don't you ever fantasize
about being a stripper?
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MARIANA: Yeah, see, this is
the part where I'm not sure
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if I should be nodding or not.
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BEE: Exactly. (laughs)
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MARIANA: Honey says she works
primarily with clients
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from the business world.
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HONEY: I'm very high priced.
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I mean, I make a lot of money
doing what I'm doing.
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MARIANA: She says she can make
as much as $20,000 a week.
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But all that money comes
at a high personal cost.
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HONEY: So I had a friend,
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and her father, he was
a drug dealer and a pimp.
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My mother was never around,
so, you know,
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I always spent a lot of time
at her house.
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And her dad, you know, he would
always hit on me and touch me.
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But, I never told anyone,
I didn't have anyone around, so.
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MARIANA: How old were you?
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HONEY: Um, I was 12.
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MARIANA: I'm sorry if
I'm gonna ask you this,
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and tell me if
you don't want to answer
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or if you don't even
want the question,
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we can take it out,
but did he rape you?
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HONEY: Yes, he did.
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MARIANA: When you were 12?
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HONEY: Yes.
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MARIANA: And then how did it
progress from there?
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HONEY: He told me like,
"It's okay if you do it for me.
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I'm not gonna judge you.
No one's gonna judge you.
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Don't tell anybody."
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So, you know, I always
kept it a secret,
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like no one ever knew
what I did.
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MARIANA: And how did
he convince you
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that you should be selling
your body out to other men?
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HONEY: I didn't have a mother
and a father around,
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so I grew up thinking
that it was okay,
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you know, to sell my body.
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I was young, I was naive,
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like, you tell me it's okay
and I just believed you.
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MARIANA: He was a pimp.
HONEY: Yes.
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MARIANA: He had several women
working for him?
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HONEY: Yes.
MARIANA: How many?
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HONEY: About five of us.
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MARIANA: All of them
as young as you?
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HONEY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: So they were
all between 12...
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HONEY: 12 to like 15,
no older than that.
484
00:19:17,615 --> 00:19:21,786
MARIANA: After four years,
Honey finally escaped.
485
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:23,746
Did he do any time
in jail or anything?
486
00:19:23,746 --> 00:19:26,123
HONEY: No. I didn't press any
charges, nothing like that.
487
00:19:26,123 --> 00:19:27,917
I just wanted to get away.
488
00:19:27,917 --> 00:19:29,335
MARIANA: One of the things
that we hear a lot
489
00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:32,296
is how women that have pimps,
even when they're abusive,
490
00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:33,756
that they just don't want to
talk to the police,
491
00:19:33,756 --> 00:19:35,049
they don't want to testify.
492
00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:37,593
They just want to
leave that behind.
493
00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:39,970
HONEY: Snitches get stitches,
so if you tell,
494
00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:41,597
people will put a bounty
on your head,
495
00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:43,140
and they don't care
how much it costs.
496
00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,017
MARIANA: Right.
That's what they say?
497
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,727
HONEY: The lingo. Mm‐hmm.
498
00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:48,729
MARIANA: Meaning that they will
beat you up if you talk?
499
00:19:48,729 --> 00:19:50,064
HONEY: Right.
500
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:53,401
And they'll do it,
they'll make sure it get done.
501
00:19:53,401 --> 00:19:55,653
NINA: Once you in it,
it's hard to escape.
502
00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:57,988
It's always gonna
come back to you.
503
00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:02,034
Once you turn a good girl bad,
it's hard to turn back good.
504
00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:05,955
MARIANA: After the interview,
505
00:20:05,955 --> 00:20:11,085
Nina tells me she knows everyone
on the streets, pimps included.
506
00:20:11,085 --> 00:20:14,630
She makes some introductions,
I trade some texts,
507
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,216
and it looks like it's
all about to happen...
508
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,467
until it doesn't.
509
00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,511
(text message tone)
510
00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:22,471
We've been in three
different locations so far
511
00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:25,683
just today alone, waiting
for these pimps to show up.
512
00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:28,185
(text message tone)
513
00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:29,186
They tell us they're coming,
514
00:20:29,186 --> 00:20:30,771
they tell us
they're on their way.
515
00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:33,190
We get everything set up
and we wait and wait and wait,
516
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:36,235
and then last minute,
they either don't show up
517
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:38,195
or they text us telling us
they can't come,
518
00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:41,490
or they're, you know,
unsure whether we're police,
519
00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:42,908
and they don't feel comfortable.
520
00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:45,077
(text message tone)
He just bailed.
521
00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:46,704
He's not coming anymore.
522
00:20:46,704 --> 00:20:47,955
(text message tone)
523
00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:50,916
We actually just got a text
from this one guy
524
00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:53,085
who says he's on
54th and Western.
525
00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:54,086
He's on the corner.
526
00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:56,213
He told us he'd
be waiting for us.
527
00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,340
We have no idea what
we're walking into,
528
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,301
who we're meeting with exactly.
529
00:21:00,301 --> 00:21:04,180
But we're hoping that at least
there's somebody there.
530
00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:07,099
The process is frustrating.
531
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,976
I've had easier times
getting access
532
00:21:08,976 --> 00:21:11,604
to gunrunners and drug lords.
533
00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:14,690
But I'm realizing
this black market is different
534
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:16,192
and darker.
535
00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:17,359
(siren)
536
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,361
Okay. So, this is it.
537
00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:23,240
We're in a parking lot
of a laundromat.
538
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,910
This is where
he told us to meet him.
539
00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:28,746
No surprise, he's not there.
540
00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:31,332
It could be that he's just
looking at us from somewhere
541
00:21:31,332 --> 00:21:34,043
and checking us out to make sure
that we're not cops.
542
00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:36,754
In which case it might be a good
idea if I get out of the car
543
00:21:36,754 --> 00:21:39,173
and just go walk around
and tell him
544
00:21:39,173 --> 00:21:42,092
I'm the woman with the red vest
or something.
545
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:51,435
What's that?
546
00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:56,190
MARIANA: No, taking pictures
of me. They're filming me.
547
00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:00,528
MARIANA: Yeah, I don't know.
548
00:22:00,528 --> 00:22:01,821
I mean, I think
cameras down for now,
549
00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:03,697
because they're getting
more and more upset.
550
00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:04,990
MAN: Really?
MARIANA: Yeah.
551
00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,408
(text message tone)
552
00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:10,204
MARIANA: Okay, come around
the corner to 1609, duh duh duh.
553
00:22:10,204 --> 00:22:12,373
Okay, we got an address.
554
00:22:12,373 --> 00:22:15,292
Let's see what happens now.
555
00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:18,420
From Western, we turn into
a residential neighborhood
556
00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:20,631
and make our way to the address.
557
00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:25,344
Finally, after months of trying,
558
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:30,224
here I am, looking into the dark
shades of a working pimp.
559
00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:45,573
♪ ♪
560
00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:46,949
MARIANA: After months of trying,
561
00:22:46,949 --> 00:22:51,287
I'm finally face to face
with a working pimp.
562
00:22:51,287 --> 00:22:54,582
He wants me to call him Chill,
563
00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:59,128
and this is his
business partner, Lady P.
564
00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:01,922
I know that when we were
texting back and forth,
565
00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:03,966
you were, you didn't
want to give us
566
00:23:03,966 --> 00:23:05,926
the right address immediately.
567
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:07,887
So you weren't sure if
we were police, essentially?
568
00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:09,263
CHILL: Absolutely.
569
00:23:09,263 --> 00:23:11,015
Because of the business
that we're in.
570
00:23:11,015 --> 00:23:12,057
If you're even claiming
571
00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:14,018
that you're in this part
of the business,
572
00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:15,644
they've changed (bleep),
573
00:23:15,644 --> 00:23:18,939
so now instead of just
some regular (bleep)
574
00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,066
where pimping is pimping, no.
575
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:24,820
What we're doing now is
considered human trafficking,
576
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:28,699
and that (bleep) is completely
different from what pimping is.
577
00:23:28,699 --> 00:23:30,576
MARIANA: So tell me
what is pimping about.
578
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,745
CHILL: It's about choice.
579
00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,955
It's they see the flash,
they see the gold,
580
00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:37,416
they see the money,
they see the cars.
581
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,085
Every time you turn on a radio,
what do you hear?
582
00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:41,629
Oh, it's some rapper dude
talking about
583
00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:44,924
how he got a bunch of bitches
and all this other (bleep).
584
00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:46,258
So what do they want?
585
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,801
They want that rapper dude.
586
00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:51,263
They see the Ferrari, the
Lamborghini, all that (bleep).
587
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:52,431
They want that (bleep).
588
00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:53,974
What's next to a rapper?
589
00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:57,519
(bleep) A pimp! Why not?
590
00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,105
He can get you
everything you want, easy.
591
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:01,899
Drugs, sex, rock and roll.
592
00:24:01,899 --> 00:24:03,984
That's what it is.
593
00:24:03,984 --> 00:24:05,611
MARIANA: That may be the way
pimps like Chill
594
00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:07,571
view the lifestyle,
595
00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:10,407
but I imagine the reality
is far more complicated
596
00:24:10,407 --> 00:24:12,910
for the women working for him.
597
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:14,328
How do you find the girls?
598
00:24:14,328 --> 00:24:15,412
LADY P: Clubs.
599
00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,122
They see us hanging out.
600
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:18,415
We're in the VIP section
601
00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:20,668
and we're drinking
and we're having fun.
602
00:24:20,668 --> 00:24:22,419
Of course they don't want to be
sitting over there
603
00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:25,089
with normal people,
they want to come to the VIP.
604
00:24:25,089 --> 00:24:26,757
"Hey, girl, you want to
come back with us?"
605
00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:27,758
MARIANA: Who says that?
606
00:24:27,758 --> 00:24:29,218
LADY P: I do.
607
00:24:29,218 --> 00:24:31,053
They come back.
608
00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:35,099
They see the glitz, the glamour,
the gold, the cars, the bikes.
609
00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:38,268
They want to smoke weed,
do powder, ecstasy.
610
00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:40,104
We have all that around.
611
00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:41,939
Couple of days after
they've been there,
612
00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:45,067
okay, now you got to come up
with some money.
613
00:24:45,067 --> 00:24:47,236
CHILL: Bills got to get
(bleep) paid.
614
00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:49,029
You got a choice at that point.
615
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:51,865
You can say, "I'm cool.
(bleep) that, I'm out."
616
00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:56,453
99.9% of the time, these young
(bleep) are gonna be like,
617
00:24:56,453 --> 00:25:00,165
"Hey, I got (bleep) weed,
I got ecstasy,
618
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,292
I got every (bleep) thing
I want,
619
00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:06,380
and I can get some money
out of this? Why not?"
620
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:07,548
MARIANA: Is it really that high,
621
00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:09,591
like, that amount of girls,
the majority?
622
00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:10,843
LADY P: It's not like
you're going out
623
00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:13,762
looking for
the classiest of females,
624
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,765
you know, you want the ones
that are "ahhh," turnt up.
625
00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:18,058
CHILL: Or keeps looking
over at us.
626
00:25:18,058 --> 00:25:19,476
LADY P: Keeps looking over.
You can tell.
627
00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:21,228
CHILL: Just keep on (bleep)
eyeing and watching.
628
00:25:21,228 --> 00:25:23,397
She done already been spotted.
629
00:25:23,397 --> 00:25:25,274
Over here, we just spotted her.
630
00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:26,316
It's a wrap.
631
00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:30,195
At that point
the choice is made.
632
00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:31,697
MARIANA: Chill says
that his women
633
00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:33,949
don't work out on the streets.
634
00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:36,076
They find their customers online
635
00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:38,203
where they can charge
a higher price.
636
00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:41,498
So when people call you a sex
trafficker or human trafficker,
637
00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:43,042
what do you think of that?
638
00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:44,501
CHILL: I think it's (bleep).
639
00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:46,462
If you go talk to my bitches
and ask them what they think,
640
00:25:46,462 --> 00:25:48,088
"Am I sex trafficking?"
641
00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:50,924
They'll be like,
"Yeah, he's trafficking me.
642
00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:55,095
To (bleep) Miami,
to (bleep) Vegas, to Florida."
643
00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:56,930
MARIANA: Do you do that?
Do you transport them?
644
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,071
CHILL: ...and it's gonna be
like cha‐ching!
645
00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:17,284
MARIANA: It's shocking
how little is known
646
00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,537
about the underground
sex economy.
647
00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:24,500
One recent study estimates
that illicit sex in the U. S.
648
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:29,630
brings in $5.7 billion a year
through street prostitution,
649
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:31,548
online escort services,
650
00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:35,469
residential brothels,
and massage parlors.
651
00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:37,179
But there's no reliable data
652
00:26:37,179 --> 00:26:40,390
about how many pimps and
traffickers are operating
653
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:43,560
or how many victims
may be out there.
654
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,189
It's rare to get an inside look
at a pimp's operation,
655
00:26:47,189 --> 00:26:50,192
which is why I want
to see others.
656
00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:53,153
Over the next week,
I connect with two more pimps
657
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,614
who are currently in the game.
658
00:26:55,614 --> 00:27:00,077
At a cheap motel in Inglewood,
I meet Jack Knife,
659
00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:01,954
and after a bit of convincing,
660
00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:07,876
I sit down with Gotti late night
at a bar near the airport.
661
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:09,837
So these women, that you
meet them on the street
662
00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,046
or how do you recruit them?
663
00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:12,506
How do you get them
to work for you?
664
00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,007
JACK KNIFE: On the street,
9 times out of 10.
665
00:27:14,007 --> 00:27:15,801
Sometimes Instagram,
you know what I'm saying?
666
00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:18,262
Sometimes Facebook, it depends.
667
00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:26,436
MARIANA: What do you
say to them?
668
00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:27,646
GOTTI: How are you doing,
beautiful?
669
00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:29,481
You mind if I hang out with you
while you shop?
670
00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,526
And, uh, we can talk
and get to know each other.
671
00:27:32,526 --> 00:27:34,528
We hang out, become friends,
672
00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:38,365
and talk about how
we can make money,
673
00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:43,453
and if they want to go along
with the situation,
674
00:27:43,453 --> 00:27:44,746
we go do this.
675
00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:45,873
MARIANA: You butter them up?
676
00:27:45,873 --> 00:27:46,874
JACK KNIFE: Of course
I butter them up.
677
00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:48,125
I got to tell them they pretty,
678
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,043
so they can get out there
and get this money.
679
00:27:50,043 --> 00:27:52,296
They got to be out here
with a big head,
680
00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:55,424
so they can get out here
and get this bread.
681
00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:56,508
MARIANA: Is there
a particular kind of girl
682
00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:58,010
that you're looking for?
683
00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:01,638
GOTTI: Someone that's
not showing fear.
684
00:28:01,638 --> 00:28:04,308
Ready to go.
685
00:28:04,308 --> 00:28:08,270
MICKEY: An easy target would be,
let's say Jan Brady.
686
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:09,354
If you're familiar
with The Brady Bunch,
687
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:10,898
she's the middle child,
688
00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:13,108
and she's the one that gets
the least amount of attention.
689
00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:15,527
She's the one that feels
the most unattractive.
690
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,487
I would show Jan the majority
of the attention
691
00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:21,241
and point out how Jan is much
prettier than her sister Marcia.
692
00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:23,410
And Jan, when she leaves
my presence,
693
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,330
she goes back to being ugly
in that house.
694
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:28,832
So her self‐esteem,
her sense of empowerment,
695
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:32,586
her will to be number one, or
the fact that she is number one,
696
00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:35,297
is only present when I'm around.
697
00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:39,051
So, she's gonna be around me
more and more.
698
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:40,510
MARIANA: I try to pin them down
699
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:44,556
on the financials of their
business, but they're evasive.
700
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:47,851
Each admits to working
a certain number of women.
701
00:28:47,851 --> 00:28:49,478
LADY P: I'd say about seven.
702
00:28:49,478 --> 00:28:52,147
JACK KNIFE: Six is the lowest,
eight or nine at the most.
703
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:53,482
GOTTI: Right now, I got four.
704
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,692
MARIANA: These four girls
work full‐time for you?
705
00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,570
GOTTI: Yes. They're only for me.
706
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,697
MARIANA: And each takes
a certain percentage
707
00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:02,199
of the earnings.
708
00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:04,117
Do they keep the majority or
do you guys keep the majority?
709
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,160
LADY P:
No. We keep the majority.
710
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,244
MARIANA: You guys
keep the majority?
711
00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:07,788
LADY P:
If I'm taking care of you,
712
00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:09,122
I have to keep the majority.
713
00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:10,332
CHILL: Absolutely.
714
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:13,377
MARIANA: Can you tell me
what the percentage is?
715
00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:15,587
Is it a higher percentage
for them or for you?
716
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:16,880
GOTTI: For me.
717
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,256
JACK KNIFE: It's my money.
It's our money.
718
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:19,675
This is a "our" thing.
719
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:21,176
So, yeah, of course,
you gonna get some money.
720
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:22,552
I'm gonna break you off
something.
721
00:29:22,552 --> 00:29:24,262
Or I'm gonna go buy you
something or whatever.
722
00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:27,557
But you ain't gonna get no money
every single time.
723
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:30,936
MARIANA: It's crazy to me;
a woman sells her body,
724
00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:34,314
and these pimps feel
entitled to the profits.
725
00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:36,441
And we're talking
serious money here.
726
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,069
A Justice Department study
found that pimps can make
727
00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:43,156
between $5,000
and $30,000 a week.
728
00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:47,202
It's no surprise how
some of them maintain control.
729
00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,080
Have you ever beat your women?
730
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,791
GOTTI: Uhh...
731
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:56,294
Next question.
732
00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:58,964
MARIANA: I'll take that
as a yes, then.
733
00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:03,093
What leads a person to do that?
What led you?
734
00:30:03,093 --> 00:30:05,887
GOTTI: My case,
money was stolen.
735
00:30:05,887 --> 00:30:07,222
JACK KNIFE:
If they get out of line,
736
00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:09,474
if they look like they
finna say something stupid,
737
00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:10,892
knack‐knack, slapped up,
738
00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:13,061
you might get punched up,
whatever.
739
00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,355
(bleep) might cut you, whatever.
740
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:16,440
MARIANA: Have you done that?
741
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,607
JACK KNIFE: Me?
742
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:20,444
Female ran away, once or twice,
743
00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:22,821
I cut the bottom of her foot.
744
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,364
MARIANA: You cut, with a knife?
745
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:26,658
JACK KNIFE: The bottom of her
foot. Nah, not with no knife.
746
00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,827
I cut the bottom of her foot
with a razor.
747
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,037
MARIANA: With a razor?
748
00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:31,329
JACK KNIFE: What is you
running away for?
749
00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:33,123
What is you doing?
You got my money and all that.
750
00:30:33,123 --> 00:30:34,875
What you trying to do, rob me?
751
00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:36,209
No. What is you doing?
752
00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:40,172
When I did that,
that let all the bitches know.
753
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,798
So, I didn't have
to do that no more.
754
00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:43,508
MARIANA: So if they want to
leave, you don't let them leave?
755
00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,927
JACK KNIFE: They can leave.
They can leave.
756
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:47,971
'Cause I'm not holding you,
I'm not holding you at gunpoint.
757
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:49,473
MARIANA: You're not,
but you've admitted to...
758
00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:50,807
JACK KNIFE: And I don't
have you handcuffed.
759
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,267
MARIANA: You say it's
a choice for them, but...
760
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,144
JACK KNIFE: Yeah.
761
00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:55,520
MARIANA: After you just
told me what you did,
762
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,981
I'm sure they're scared
to death of leaving.
763
00:30:57,981 --> 00:30:59,566
JACK KNIFE: She can still leave,
I told her.
764
00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:03,570
I just told her, if you leave,
you gonna remember me, though.
765
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,030
MARIANA: Is she still with you?
766
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:06,448
JACK KNIFE: Yeah,
she's still with me.
767
00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,033
MARIANA:
She still works for you?
768
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:09,618
JACK KNIFE: To this day.
769
00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:10,994
You understand,
770
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:12,537
it's either you gonna
(bleep) with me or you not.
771
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:13,830
MARIANA: So, so, you...
772
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,665
JACK KNIFE: Hold on, hold on.
MARIANA: Go ahead.
773
00:31:15,665 --> 00:31:16,666
JACK KNIFE:
There's pimps out her
774
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:18,794
doing way worse (bleep)
than that.
775
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,253
Killing bitches.
776
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:26,384
Out here kidnapping bitches,
for real, tying (bleep) up.
777
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,386
"Nah, you can't go nowhere
against your will."
778
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:30,931
"Bitch, don't talk to your
family or none of that."
779
00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:33,100
It's bad out here.
780
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,561
MARIANA: The reality is bleak
and all too common,
781
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:40,482
but there are people out there
trying to make a difference.
782
00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:41,483
Okay, be careful
with the cameras
783
00:31:41,483 --> 00:31:43,652
'cause he's right
in front of us.
784
00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:46,488
(engine revving)
785
00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:04,506
MARIANA: I'm in Los Angeles,
not that far from where I live,
786
00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:08,677
trying to understand how pimps
justify what they do.
787
00:32:08,677 --> 00:32:11,304
I think people listening to this
would say that what you're doing
788
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:14,975
is exploiting women when they're
at the worst of their worst.
789
00:32:14,975 --> 00:32:17,060
You either stay and
you have a place to stay
790
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:18,854
and you go out on the street
and sell your body,
791
00:32:18,854 --> 00:32:20,689
or we're gonna kick you out.
792
00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:22,649
Isn't that exploitation?
793
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:24,985
LADY P: We're not out there
beating on these females,
794
00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:27,988
choking 'em out, getting them
strung out on drugs.
795
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:29,990
We don't have a white van.
796
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:32,742
We're not about
to pull up and kidnap you.
797
00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:34,578
You can always leave.
798
00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:39,082
It could be worse.
You could choose worse.
799
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,751
MARIANA: Experts believe that
the majority of the young women
800
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:43,712
pimps and traffickers recruit,
801
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:46,882
maybe even as high
as 60% or 70%,
802
00:32:46,882 --> 00:32:50,510
have spent time in
the foster care system.
803
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:53,597
It's a crime that preys
on the most vulnerable.
804
00:32:56,516 --> 00:32:58,643
MICKEY: Nobody cares about 'em.
805
00:32:58,643 --> 00:33:00,729
They're viewed as the rejected.
806
00:33:00,729 --> 00:33:04,191
And that's what makes it so easy
for a pimp to recruit them.
807
00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:07,319
I love you. I love you.
808
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,070
Your mother doesn't love you
because she put you out.
809
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:10,197
Your daddy doesn't love you
810
00:33:10,197 --> 00:33:12,115
because he molested you
in the first place.
811
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:13,783
I love you.
812
00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:20,749
CHILL: If you haven't
had something,
813
00:33:20,749 --> 00:33:24,377
and you're experiencing it
for the first time,
814
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:27,088
and it's beautiful,
you'll take it;
815
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:29,925
even if it's ugly.
816
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,509
MARIANA: Which part of it
is ugly?
817
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,136
CHILL: (bleep), you tell me.
818
00:33:33,136 --> 00:33:34,971
LADY P: Selling your body.
819
00:33:34,971 --> 00:33:37,140
That's the ugly.
820
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:38,975
That's the ugly.
You're selling your body.
821
00:33:38,975 --> 00:33:40,060
MARIANA: So you do realize
it's ugly, though,
822
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,394
but you're still
asking them to do it?
823
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:43,939
LADY P: Yeah.
But she still said yes.
824
00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,149
CHILL: Again,
it's a (bleep) choice.
825
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:47,275
MARIANA: I mean,
but is it a choice?
826
00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,569
CHILL: It is. It is.
827
00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:50,946
We always have a choice.
828
00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:52,989
Everyone has a choice.
829
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,619
MARIANA: Any prosecutor trying
to bust a pimp like Chill
830
00:33:57,619 --> 00:33:59,037
for sex trafficking
831
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:02,582
has to prove that he used
force, fraud, or coercion
832
00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:05,710
to induce a woman
into selling her body.
833
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,589
That's a difficult challenge,
especially when pimps like Chill
834
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:12,717
know where the legal lines
are drawn.
835
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:15,553
I imagine that's why
he and Lady P
836
00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:18,598
are so fond of
that word, "choice."
837
00:34:18,598 --> 00:34:20,016
Still, these days,
838
00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:23,061
pimps know they have targets
on their backs.
839
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,771
They just might be surprised
840
00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:28,817
by some of the people
trying to hunt them down.
841
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:35,699
♪ ♪
842
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,618
Why don't you want
to be on camera?
843
00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:41,538
JENNA: For security reasons.
844
00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:45,041
We are gathering evidence
against people
845
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:47,711
who may in fact be criminals
846
00:34:47,711 --> 00:34:51,423
and who may in fact end up on a
district attorney's target list
847
00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:52,924
because of us,
848
00:34:52,924 --> 00:34:56,886
and I wouldn't want them to
come back and try to kill me.
849
00:34:56,886 --> 00:34:58,305
MARIANA: Because these
are dangerous people.
850
00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:02,434
JENNA: These are dangerous
people that we're dealing with.
851
00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,185
MARIANA: Jenna,
as I'll call her,
852
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,688
is a successful
tech entrepreneur who lives
853
00:35:06,688 --> 00:35:10,025
in one of Silicon Valley's
wealthiest ZIP codes.
854
00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:13,236
JENNA: I'll say to our donors,
"You know what? We can do this."
855
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:16,531
We have an established
track record of success.
856
00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,576
We can find kids
for under $20,000.
857
00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:21,202
I mean, what would
you rather have?
858
00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,663
Another diamond bracelet
on your wrist?
859
00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:26,708
Or would you rather be able
to actually find a girl
860
00:35:26,708 --> 00:35:29,377
who's missing and save her?
861
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,297
MARIANA: That's the mission
of Special Operations,
862
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:35,050
the non‐profit Jenna founded.
863
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:37,093
There's no shortage
of groups like hers
864
00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:40,805
who have taken up the cause
of sex trafficking.
865
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,643
But Special Operations is
more aggressive than most.
866
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:46,978
It not only rescues
girls in trouble,
867
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:50,023
it also goes after
their traffickers.
868
00:35:50,023 --> 00:35:53,485
JENNA: Special Operations is
designed to fill in the gaps
869
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:58,323
in society in order to solve
sex trafficking crimes.
870
00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,533
The way the system works
right now,
871
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:03,078
the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children
872
00:36:03,078 --> 00:36:05,330
sends law enforcement
half a million tips.
873
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:07,832
Polaris,
the sex trafficking hotlines,
874
00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:09,918
sends thousands of tips.
875
00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:11,544
They can be months old
876
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:14,589
by the time they land
in somebody's file folder.
877
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:17,342
MAN: 10‐4, I'm in front
of the hotel, copy.
878
00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:20,136
MARIANA: Jenna has connected me
to her lead investigator,
879
00:36:20,136 --> 00:36:23,139
a former cop named Mike Ferrari.
880
00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:25,058
How long have you been
after this guy?
881
00:36:25,058 --> 00:36:29,604
MIKE FERRARI: It's been
on and off for about a year.
882
00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:31,272
MAN: I only have visual on Mark.
883
00:36:31,272 --> 00:36:33,858
I don't have visual
of the subject.
884
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,985
MARIANA: Mike's team, which
consists of three other
885
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:39,531
private investigators,
each in their own car,
886
00:36:39,531 --> 00:36:43,576
is currently working a case
involving a man we'll call Ray.
887
00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,870
MIKE: He has a history
of trafficking minors.
888
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:47,956
We know this guy is
a serial predator.
889
00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:50,417
we've been trying to develop
a pattern on him
890
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:53,712
to find a location where there
are certainly other victims.
891
00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:55,463
Because each time
there was an arrest made,
892
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:56,840
there was more than one victim.
893
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,841
MARIANA: How many girls
is it believed
894
00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,384
that he has working for him?
895
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:03,346
MIKE: We know of three discreet
victims that we've spoken with,
896
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:08,226
um, but each one of them has
talked about multiple girls.
897
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,647
One time, when one of
the 15‐year‐olds was recovered,
898
00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:15,066
there were three other girls
that time.
899
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,068
MARIANA: As is so often
the case, though,
900
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,739
the victims were too scared
to testify against him.
901
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:23,658
MAN: Sir, he's gonna exit
another way.
902
00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,202
MIKE: I've got
the back entrance.
903
00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:29,330
When he does, somebody
get on foot to let us know
904
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:33,376
which way he goes
out of the courtyard.
905
00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:35,587
MARIANA: Ray is expected
to appear in court today
906
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:37,297
for an unrelated charge.
907
00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:39,132
(radio chatter)
908
00:37:39,132 --> 00:37:40,717
Assuming he shows up,
909
00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:45,305
Mike and his team will use the
opportunity to hop on his tail.
910
00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:48,516
Mike is convinced that Ray
is still trafficking,
911
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:50,560
but they need evidence.
912
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,396
MIKE: Any new information
of this guy will help.
913
00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:57,901
Part of the purpose of our
organization is to work on guys
914
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,904
that do slip through the cracks.
915
00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:03,156
MAN: Courtyard north,
that's you.
916
00:38:03,156 --> 00:38:05,825
MARIANA: So they have eyes on
him, we're heading there now.
917
00:38:05,825 --> 00:38:08,661
MAN: Hey, Mark's got direct
visual. Do you have visual?
918
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:10,663
He's out on the street
right now with his attorney.
919
00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:13,416
Um, across the street.
920
00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:14,501
MARIANA: Okay, here he is.
921
00:38:14,501 --> 00:38:17,086
That's him right there
on that corner.
922
00:38:17,086 --> 00:38:18,296
Be careful with the cameras.
923
00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:19,631
MIKE: Yeah.
924
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:21,883
MARIANA: Discreet, discreet.
But he didn't see us.
925
00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:23,718
MAN: I got you, Mike.
926
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:26,012
Walking down Fuller Street.
927
00:38:28,348 --> 00:38:30,642
MAN: Who has visual?
928
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,435
MAN: Yes, Mark has eyes.
929
00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:35,313
MIKE: Yes, Mark's to your right.
930
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:39,359
MARK: I'm here. I got him.
He's about to drive past me.
931
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,986
MARIANA: Running through
red lights, left and right here.
932
00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:45,532
MAN: Hold on, trying to keep us
flagged, give me a second.
933
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,578
MAN: I'm behind the subject.
934
00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:53,832
MAN: I saw him one mile.
935
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,333
MIKE: Okay. Stay with him.
936
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,710
MAN: Mark, in number four lane.
937
00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:06,427
MIKE: Okay. Stay with him.
938
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:08,513
MAN: Mike, too much traffic
on the...
939
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:09,848
MARIANA: I'm in the Bay Area,
940
00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,267
embedded with a team
of private investigators,
941
00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:14,686
chasing a suspected trafficker.
942
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:17,397
From the get‐go,
he's acting suspicious,
943
00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:18,940
flying down the highway.
944
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:19,941
Okay, be careful
with the cameras,
945
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:21,734
because he's right
in front of us.
946
00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:23,945
Weaving through neighborhoods.
947
00:39:23,945 --> 00:39:26,906
MIKE: Man, I need somebody
here now, guys.
948
00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,325
MAN: Behind you, coming up.
949
00:39:29,325 --> 00:39:30,827
MARIANA: He finally pulls
into a house
950
00:39:30,827 --> 00:39:33,413
not far from Stanford University
951
00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:36,374
that the PIs know well
from previous surveillance.
952
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:37,625
MIKE: He's at Grandma's house.
953
00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:39,669
Grandma's house.
Grandma's house.
954
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,802
MARIANA: The day is spent
keeping track of his movements.
955
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,597
Where does he go?
Who does he see?
956
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,599
Who else might he
be working with?
957
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,894
MIKE: Already there's a new car
that we haven't seen before,
958
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:59,647
so it looks like
we got some activity.
959
00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,524
MARIANA: Traffickers are known
to move victims
960
00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:04,527
between different counties
and even states
961
00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:09,282
to keep them disoriented and to
keep law enforcement guessing.
962
00:40:09,282 --> 00:40:13,494
MIKE: This guy, he reports
one address in the county
963
00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:17,665
across the bay,
one address in the South Bay.
964
00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:20,293
He acquires the victims
in another county,
965
00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:22,629
so you've got multiple
jurisdictions involved.
966
00:40:22,629 --> 00:40:24,130
MAN: You can have
something happening
967
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:26,507
on one side of the bay,
and then really,
968
00:40:26,507 --> 00:40:29,886
what, maybe four or five miles
between the two?
969
00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:32,013
But there's no communication
between law enforcement
970
00:40:32,013 --> 00:40:34,098
and sometimes
the judicial system itself.
971
00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:36,434
MARIANA: So that makes it really
hard to catch guys like this?
972
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:38,186
MAN: Yes.
973
00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:40,271
MARIANA: Building a real case
against Ray
974
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,565
will take more missions
like this one.
975
00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:45,568
If successful, Mike will then
hand over his findings
976
00:40:45,568 --> 00:40:47,070
to law enforcement
977
00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:50,615
with the hopes they'll open
their own investigation.
978
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:53,242
But there's no guarantee.
979
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,745
And all of this
is to try and stop
980
00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:59,832
just one of the countless pimps
and traffickers out there.
981
00:40:59,832 --> 00:41:02,877
Still, Jenna is convinced.
982
00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:05,588
JENNA: This is a crime
that money and a good network
983
00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:07,256
can actually solve.
984
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:10,301
MARIANA: Maybe that's a bit
of Silicon Valley optimism.
985
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:12,261
Or maybe it's the truth.
986
00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:15,056
But in thinking about
money and resources
987
00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,558
and the ugly business
of trafficking,
988
00:41:17,558 --> 00:41:20,603
there are other truths
to consider, too.
989
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:23,481
MICKEY: As crazy as these pimps
and prostitutes are,
990
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,776
they don't cross King Boulevard.
991
00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,904
Once you cross King Boulevard,
you cross into money.
992
00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:33,366
MARIANA: To the north of King
lies the campus of USC,
993
00:41:33,366 --> 00:41:36,619
with its nearly
$6 billion endowments.
994
00:41:36,619 --> 00:41:39,622
To the south of King,
it gets rough quick.
995
00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:41,582
MICKEY: That look like someone
had dropped a bomb on it,
996
00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:43,459
like it looked war‐torn.
997
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:46,462
MARIANA: For Mickey, this divide
explains everything
998
00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:52,135
about where you end up in life;
geography as destiny.
999
00:41:52,135 --> 00:41:54,095
JACK KNIFE: We growing up
in a certain area
1000
00:41:54,095 --> 00:41:56,347
where we ain't got no
(bleep) resources.
1001
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,640
We ain't got nothin'.
1002
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,517
We can't do this and that
1003
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:02,395
like certain other races can
in their areas.
1004
00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:03,896
There ain't no jobs around.
1005
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:06,649
You got a whole community
that's not getting hired,
1006
00:42:06,649 --> 00:42:10,403
and you got a lot of (bleep)
that's like, "What we gonna do?"
1007
00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:13,406
CHILL: I grew up around
gangbangers, pimps.
1008
00:42:13,406 --> 00:42:15,950
At 15, you're not thinking
about it like that,
1009
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:17,744
but then now it's in your face
and you're like,
1010
00:42:17,744 --> 00:42:21,622
"(bleep) it, why not?"
1011
00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:23,291
LADY P: My brother was a pimp.
1012
00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:25,376
MARIANA: And so you
just grew up...
1013
00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:27,420
LADY P: I grew up with it. Yup.
1014
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:29,672
GOTTI: There was a lot
of pimpin' going on.
1015
00:42:29,672 --> 00:42:31,257
MARIANA: People in your family?
1016
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:34,552
GOTTI: A couple guys
in my family were pimps.
1017
00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:35,636
MARIANA: So you think if you
grew up in another neighborhood,
1018
00:42:35,636 --> 00:42:36,721
in another place...
1019
00:42:36,721 --> 00:42:37,930
JACK KNIFE:
It'd be totally different.
1020
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,015
MARIANA: Another city,
you'd be different?
1021
00:42:39,015 --> 00:42:40,016
JACK KNIFE:
It'd be totally different.
1022
00:42:40,016 --> 00:42:41,392
I grew up with
everybody around me.
1023
00:42:41,392 --> 00:42:44,854
Pimps, gangbangers, thieves,
murderers, jackers,
1024
00:42:44,854 --> 00:42:47,523
all these (bleep),
it's like one boiling pot.
1025
00:42:47,523 --> 00:42:49,275
It's (bleep) real out here.
1026
00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:51,944
I grew up with (bleep)
I thought that was right.
1027
00:42:51,944 --> 00:42:54,489
(bleep) I'm seeing
as I'm growing up,
1028
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:56,115
I'm a kid, what the (bleep)?
1029
00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:57,992
And I got people
telling me it's wrong,
1030
00:42:57,992 --> 00:42:59,535
but they got the money, though.
1031
00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:01,120
Well, how can I get this money?
1032
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:06,000
It's a (bleep) up situation,
but it's a hustle.
1033
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,420
MARIANA: I make no excuses
for these pimps.
1034
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,423
But I understand
Jack Knife's frustration.
1035
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:16,385
It must be hard growing up
adjacent to so much wealth
1036
00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:19,680
and having so few options.
1037
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,017
But what makes pimping different
than other hustles
1038
00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:26,270
is that people's lives
are in the balance.
1039
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:28,022
Most often young women
1040
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:31,234
coming from their own
difficult circumstances.
1041
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:35,154
So I'm actually surprised when
Chill agrees to let me sit down
1042
00:43:35,154 --> 00:43:38,032
with one of the women
who works for him.
1043
00:43:38,032 --> 00:43:39,784
When did you start escorting?
1044
00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:43,913
CANDY: About when I was 15,
and I fell into the wrong guy.
1045
00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,207
And it was horrible.
1046
00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:48,209
And then I met Chill at a bar
1047
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:50,711
and he just seemed
like a nice guy.
1048
00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,714
He was so sweet, honorable.
1049
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,592
He's always a man of his word.
1050
00:43:56,592 --> 00:43:59,470
He does exactly what
he said he's gonna do.
1051
00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,722
He believed in my dreams.
1052
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:05,560
And he was just like,
"Oh," like, "I can help you."
1053
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,895
And he just started helping me.
1054
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:11,023
MARIANA: I quickly realize
that something feels off.
1055
00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:14,485
CANDY: He never judged me,
and he just kind of took me in.
1056
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,529
MARIANA: It's the most
glowing review of a pimp
1057
00:44:16,529 --> 00:44:18,447
you could ever imagine.
1058
00:44:18,447 --> 00:44:20,032
Do you give him part
of your money, though?
1059
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:28,207
CANDY: Just, like, as if you
would take your card out
1060
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:29,709
and make a withdrawal.
1061
00:44:29,709 --> 00:44:33,004
Only mine is not a card,
it's a person.
1062
00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:34,547
MARIANA: So he's your pimp?
1063
00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:36,299
CANDY: I wouldn't
call him my pimp.
1064
00:44:36,299 --> 00:44:38,050
Because he's sweet.
1065
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:39,969
He's very honorable.
1066
00:44:39,969 --> 00:44:41,179
MARIANA: You don't like
to call him pimp?
1067
00:44:41,179 --> 00:44:42,597
What do you call him?
1068
00:44:42,597 --> 00:44:43,806
CANDY: My friend.
1069
00:44:43,806 --> 00:44:45,808
MARIANA: And I realize
I have no idea
1070
00:44:45,808 --> 00:44:48,186
how many of these
details are true.
1071
00:44:48,186 --> 00:44:50,688
And how many of them
are simply talking points
1072
00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:54,901
to please her boss who spends
the entire interview
1073
00:44:54,901 --> 00:44:59,530
looming over us with
a pool stick in his hand.
1074
00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:00,781
That's the tricky thing
1075
00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:03,659
about doing these
sex trafficking stories.
1076
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:04,744
When you drive down a street
1077
00:45:04,744 --> 00:45:07,496
like Figueroa or
International Boulevard,
1078
00:45:07,496 --> 00:45:09,707
and you see the women working,
1079
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:13,294
it's impossible to know
their realities.
1080
00:45:13,294 --> 00:45:16,464
Some of them are
out there by choice,
1081
00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:19,592
but some of them are not.
1082
00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:22,178
Some of them are like Honey.
1083
00:45:22,178 --> 00:45:25,514
Do you ever get angry knowing
that there's men, right now,
1084
00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:27,099
all over the city,
all over the country,
1085
00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:30,603
doing to women
what your pimp did to you?
1086
00:45:30,603 --> 00:45:31,604
HONEY: Yes.
1087
00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:35,107
In my case,
a 12‐year‐old, for one,
1088
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,026
they don't know what's best
for them at the time.
1089
00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:40,696
I'm looking at an adult
who can potentially guide me
1090
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:41,822
in the right direction,
1091
00:45:41,822 --> 00:45:43,908
but I was guided
in the wrong direction.
1092
00:45:43,908 --> 00:45:47,328
So it always crosses my mind,
like, if I never got introduced
1093
00:45:47,328 --> 00:45:49,664
to this type of lifestyle,
how would I be living?
1094
00:45:49,664 --> 00:45:51,707
Or what would my life be like?
Or how would I be?
1095
00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:53,709
Would I be different?
Would I still be the same?
1096
00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:56,504
Like, I just feel sorry
for the females out there
1097
00:45:56,504 --> 00:45:58,130
who has to go through
the same thing,
1098
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:04,762
because it's like, it's just
destroying a woman's whole life.
1099
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:08,557
Uh‐oh!
1100
00:46:08,557 --> 00:46:11,269
Go get it.
1101
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:14,105
Now, I'm like to the point
where I have a child of my own,
1102
00:46:14,105 --> 00:46:18,025
and I have to make sure that
I have more than enough for her.
1103
00:46:18,025 --> 00:46:19,694
Because I want to
give her the world,
1104
00:46:19,694 --> 00:46:21,070
you know, 'cause
she deserves it.
1105
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:23,698
You know, she didn't ask
to be here, I brought her here.
1106
00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:27,785
MARIANA: So I've been
reading your book
1107
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,663
and I've been taking
some notes here.
1108
00:46:30,663 --> 00:46:32,498
"A ho to a pimp
is worth nothing.
1109
00:46:32,498 --> 00:46:34,625
She's actually
worth everything."
1110
00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:36,294
"You take away
everything she has
1111
00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,878
then give her what she needs.
1112
00:46:37,878 --> 00:46:39,380
You, the pimp, are the cause
1113
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:41,799
as well as the solution
to all her problems.
1114
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:45,177
You give her the poison
and sell her the cure."
1115
00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:46,762
So this is something you...
1116
00:46:46,762 --> 00:46:48,139
MICKEY: That's actually true.
1117
00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:49,807
Pimpin' is premeditated.
1118
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:52,268
You know exactly
what you're doing
1119
00:46:52,268 --> 00:46:54,562
and you know
the long‐term effects of it.
1120
00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:56,397
You have to be a sadist,
1121
00:46:56,397 --> 00:46:58,190
because you have to enjoy
what you're doing,
1122
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:01,902
and you know good and well
what you're doing.
1123
00:47:01,902 --> 00:47:04,697
You know good and well
what you're doing.
1124
00:47:04,697 --> 00:47:06,574
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