1 00:00:04,004 --> 00:00:06,310 LACI: Hello,Premeditated podcast listeners. 2 00:00:06,354 --> 00:00:08,356 Have you ever heard of Joe Kelsey? 3 00:00:08,399 --> 00:00:10,575 That was the name given to a European immigrant 4 00:00:10,619 --> 00:00:12,490 after World War II. 5 00:00:12,534 --> 00:00:16,407 Joe spoke no English, had no family and no friends, 6 00:00:16,451 --> 00:00:20,455 but in 1950, he landed a job in a Poughkeepsie factory, 7 00:00:20,498 --> 00:00:24,067 where a watchman was killed in a robbery. 8 00:00:24,111 --> 00:00:25,895 Joe confessed to the murder. 9 00:00:25,938 --> 00:00:27,505 He was executed in the electric chair, 10 00:00:27,549 --> 00:00:30,508 leaving behind zero trace of his existence 11 00:00:30,552 --> 00:00:34,251 except for one box of evidence. 12 00:00:34,295 --> 00:00:36,340 I tracked that box through federal, 13 00:00:36,384 --> 00:00:38,342 state and local warehouses, 14 00:00:38,386 --> 00:00:40,692 till it ended up in government storage 15 00:00:40,736 --> 00:00:42,999 near Horseshoe Bay, Maine, 16 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,914 where as fate would have it, 17 00:00:44,957 --> 00:00:47,960 a listener of thisPremeditated pod 18 00:00:48,004 --> 00:00:51,138 with municipal connections has promised 19 00:00:51,181 --> 00:00:52,835 to deliver me that box. 20 00:00:52,878 --> 00:00:55,794 In exchange, I'll be telling this young woman 21 00:00:55,838 --> 00:00:59,189 everything I've ever unearthed about the Frozen Hearts Killer, 22 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:02,540 who-- as I have frequently predicted-- 23 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:04,325 recently resurfaced. 24 00:01:04,368 --> 00:01:06,327 It's all going down live at DetectiveCon 25 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:08,242 in Portland, Maine. 26 00:01:08,285 --> 00:01:11,810 Featuring yours truly, Laci McAllister. 27 00:01:11,854 --> 00:01:14,857 So mash that button or just come and find me. 28 00:01:21,168 --> 00:01:23,300 ♪ 29 00:01:34,268 --> 00:01:36,618 I am so glad we're going on this road trip. 30 00:01:36,661 --> 00:01:38,924 You're fired up for DetectiveCon? 31 00:01:38,968 --> 00:01:40,839 Personally, 32 00:01:40,883 --> 00:01:42,276 I am not looking forward to a bunch of 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,539 cosplaying Sherlock Holmeses pointing 34 00:01:44,582 --> 00:01:47,019 their magnifying glasses at me. 35 00:01:47,063 --> 00:01:48,891 But if we want to catch the Frozen Hearts Killer, 36 00:01:48,934 --> 00:01:50,414 this is a trade we have to make. 37 00:01:50,458 --> 00:01:52,982 Didn't I recently see you giving a press conference? 38 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:54,636 I mean, what's the point of all this PR 39 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:56,768 if you can't bask in the adulation of your people? 40 00:01:56,812 --> 00:02:00,120 The only people that I have are from Horseshoe Bay. 41 00:02:04,646 --> 00:02:07,823 Not to, you know, dampen 42 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:10,608 your shocking enthusiasm you have for DetectiveCon. 43 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:14,090 Nah. DetectiveCon can bite the entirety of my butt. 44 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:15,961 I'm just stoked to go anywhere where I don't have 45 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:17,876 to think about having Odette's spirit trapped 46 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,530 in my subconscious, 47 00:02:19,574 --> 00:02:22,359 or anywhere where Nick isn't stressing me out. 48 00:02:22,403 --> 00:02:25,101 Everything okay?No, everything's fine. 49 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:28,060 Just sometimes the best way to support someone you love 50 00:02:28,104 --> 00:02:30,106 is to give them the space to do their thing, 51 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,716 with their endless last-minute 52 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,762 youth center-opening to-do lists. 53 00:02:33,805 --> 00:02:35,938 Woo-hoo, DetectiveCon. 54 00:02:35,981 --> 00:02:38,767 ♪ 55 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:40,464 ♪ Hey! 56 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:47,906 ♪ Ooh-ooh, hey, ooh-ooh-ooh. 57 00:02:51,214 --> 00:02:52,694 What do you think Laci McAllister thinks 58 00:02:52,737 --> 00:02:54,304 she's gonna find in here? 59 00:02:54,348 --> 00:02:57,394 Joe Kelsey's crime and execution is a closed case. 60 00:02:57,438 --> 00:02:59,004 GEORGE: Not our problem. 61 00:02:59,048 --> 00:03:00,702 It's just our ticket to getting her to tell us 62 00:03:00,745 --> 00:03:02,878 the Frozen Hearts Killer's identity confidentially, 63 00:03:02,921 --> 00:03:04,445 without podcasting about it, 64 00:03:04,488 --> 00:03:06,664 which could send the killer into hiding. 65 00:03:06,708 --> 00:03:07,926 ACE: If she has all this information, 66 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:09,058 why hasn't she gone to the police? 67 00:03:09,101 --> 00:03:10,364 NANCY: She tried. 68 00:03:10,407 --> 00:03:12,017 Turns out, when you keep claiming to solve 69 00:03:12,061 --> 00:03:14,890 another unsolvable crime without actually solving it, 70 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:16,892 law enforcement stops trusting you. 71 00:03:16,935 --> 00:03:18,894 [tape crinkling] 72 00:03:18,937 --> 00:03:21,201 ACE: I don't think the podcast lady wants you poking through that. 73 00:03:21,244 --> 00:03:22,724 It's just that the tape is... 74 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,334 the tape is alr-- is already loose. 75 00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:27,685 BESS: They ditched us. 76 00:03:27,729 --> 00:03:28,991 We-We've been ditched. 77 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:31,123 They did not ditch us. 78 00:03:31,167 --> 00:03:32,908 Your fiancée yelled, "Winter of George," 79 00:03:32,951 --> 00:03:34,388 and then jumped into the backseat 80 00:03:34,431 --> 00:03:35,693 with her feet out the window. 81 00:03:35,737 --> 00:03:37,869 Yeah, 'cause George and I both realized 82 00:03:37,913 --> 00:03:39,697 I was stressing her out, and it'd be better 83 00:03:39,741 --> 00:03:42,265 if I just took this down the homestretch without her. 84 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:44,702 And Nancy probably assumed you had your own stuff going on. 85 00:03:44,746 --> 00:03:47,401 Yeah, well, that's not accurate. 86 00:03:47,444 --> 00:03:50,230 Are you sure you haven't seen my youth center list? 87 00:03:50,273 --> 00:03:52,536 It was on a, uh, a yellow legal pad 88 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:54,756 and had things on it like, uh, delivery details 89 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:57,149 and contact info for my new STEM hire. 90 00:03:57,193 --> 00:03:59,282 It did not have "waste morning 91 00:03:59,326 --> 00:04:01,328 looking for the list" on it.Okay. Easy. 92 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:04,461 You know what, I'm starting to understand George's motivation. 93 00:04:04,505 --> 00:04:06,594 I'm supposed to open tomorrow, Bess. 94 00:04:06,637 --> 00:04:08,248 I can't mess this up. 95 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:10,641 There are kids who need me not to mess this up. 96 00:04:12,556 --> 00:04:15,516 [sighs] Why didn't I take a picture of it on my phone? 97 00:04:15,559 --> 00:04:18,301 [whispers]: Or you could've just written it on your phone. 98 00:04:18,345 --> 00:04:20,956 Um, have you check yesterday's jeans? 99 00:04:20,999 --> 00:04:24,394 That's it. Yesterday's jeans. 100 00:04:24,438 --> 00:04:26,178 [chuckles]: Look at us. 101 00:04:26,222 --> 00:04:27,658 Oh, no, wait, wait, wait. 102 00:04:27,702 --> 00:04:29,747 Do-do you want me to come with you to the youth center? 103 00:04:29,791 --> 00:04:31,967 Oh, thanks, but no. I'm-I'm in the zone, 104 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:33,795 and I got my new staff member coming over to help me. 105 00:04:33,838 --> 00:04:37,189 And so I'll just leave you to your, um, uh... 106 00:04:37,233 --> 00:04:39,322 uh, yourself. 107 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,542 Yeah, I've got my own things to do, so...[door opens and closes] 108 00:04:41,585 --> 00:04:43,718 The lid is really on there. 109 00:04:43,761 --> 00:04:45,850 Yeah, 70 years' worth of people 110 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:47,330 with the good sense not to mess with it. 111 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:48,853 You know, it's not too late to leave it 112 00:04:48,897 --> 00:04:50,377 the heck alone.[Nancy grunts] 113 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:52,379 Ooh, ah. 114 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:53,902 And you don't. You never do. 115 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:58,602 Look at those boots. 116 00:04:58,646 --> 00:05:01,475 These are all of Joe Kelsey's possessions. 117 00:05:02,998 --> 00:05:04,521 Okay, that is moderately cool. 118 00:05:04,565 --> 00:05:05,870 Can I see that watch? 119 00:05:11,267 --> 00:05:13,313 "Vos-tok." 120 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:14,879 Vostok? Huh? 121 00:05:14,923 --> 00:05:16,141 Soviet. 122 00:05:16,185 --> 00:05:17,795 My zadiehas one his father gave him. 123 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,101 GEORGE: No way. 124 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:21,321 I think it's still ticking. 125 00:05:21,364 --> 00:05:23,105 Built 'em different back then. 126 00:05:24,149 --> 00:05:25,760 Is that dried blood? 127 00:05:25,803 --> 00:05:27,979 Yeah, I think it's the murder weapon. 128 00:05:32,157 --> 00:05:33,507 Let's see. 129 00:05:35,204 --> 00:05:36,988 It's a police report. 130 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:41,384 Uh, and the original coroner's notes. 131 00:05:41,428 --> 00:05:42,777 [stammers] 132 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:45,214 "Blunt force trauma to the right side of the skull. 133 00:05:45,257 --> 00:05:48,304 Angle of impact indicates a downward attack from the rear." 134 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:52,221 Huh. Seems like somebody 135 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:53,831 who worked at the same factory as Joe Kelsey 136 00:05:53,875 --> 00:05:56,399 tried to clear him. 137 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:58,009 But by then, 138 00:05:58,053 --> 00:06:00,621 the police already had his full confession. [shushes] 139 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:03,275 You guys smell something? 140 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:05,408 Electrical spark? 141 00:06:05,452 --> 00:06:07,628 The heat is off.What does this do? 142 00:06:07,671 --> 00:06:09,978 ACE: No. 143 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:11,022 Florence's panel looks all right. 144 00:06:11,066 --> 00:06:12,241 What, is it outside? 145 00:06:13,242 --> 00:06:15,810 Uh, no. 146 00:06:15,853 --> 00:06:17,333 [loud static on radio] 147 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:18,334 Ooh. 148 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:19,770 That's weird. 149 00:06:19,814 --> 00:06:21,598 [static continues] 150 00:06:21,642 --> 00:06:23,557 Florence, your slip is showing. 151 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,862 [engine sputtering] 152 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:26,298 Ooh, we're losing power now. 153 00:06:26,342 --> 00:06:28,039 Hold on, I'm gonna take the next exit. 154 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:29,824 Hold on. 155 00:06:32,261 --> 00:06:34,263 [car rattling] 156 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:40,530 [engine stalling] 157 00:06:44,447 --> 00:06:46,493 Um, something's burning, you guys. 158 00:06:46,536 --> 00:06:48,582 [sniffs] Something wrong with the wiring? 159 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:50,018 [all gasp] 160 00:06:50,061 --> 00:06:52,455 [speaking Yiddish] 161 00:06:52,499 --> 00:06:53,978 Oh! NANCY: Oh, my God! 162 00:06:54,022 --> 00:06:55,980 Come on, Florence.[engine stalling] 163 00:06:56,024 --> 00:06:58,374 [panting] 164 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:00,550 GEORGE: What the hell was that? 165 00:07:02,509 --> 00:07:04,815 I told you not to open that box. 166 00:07:12,127 --> 00:07:14,477 Okay, what just happened tells us 167 00:07:14,521 --> 00:07:16,610 that the items in the box are haunted. 168 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,568 By the ghost of a cold-blooded murderer 169 00:07:18,612 --> 00:07:20,135 who was executed by the electric chair. 170 00:07:20,178 --> 00:07:22,659 Or maybe he burned to death? 171 00:07:22,703 --> 00:07:25,793 Electrocution can result in burns like that. 172 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:28,143 I saw it happen to Josh Dodd. 173 00:07:28,186 --> 00:07:29,753 I'm sure it was a horrible way to die, 174 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:31,538 but why does the ghost want to take it out on Florence? 175 00:07:31,581 --> 00:07:34,279 [horn honking] 176 00:07:34,323 --> 00:07:35,890 [honking stops] 177 00:07:37,935 --> 00:07:40,111 I've only got like half a bar. 178 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:42,157 We're gonna have to go up there. 179 00:07:43,767 --> 00:07:46,335 Inside the nightmare factory? 180 00:07:46,378 --> 00:07:48,337 How come you never take a vote? 181 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:51,340 Sorry, girl. We'll be right back. 182 00:07:54,778 --> 00:07:56,258 [door creaks] 183 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:06,747 [door closing]No! 184 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:17,148 We're locked in. 185 00:08:17,192 --> 00:08:19,847 Locked in? Are you kidding me? 186 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:26,984 NANCY: Joe Kelsey's things went everywhere. 187 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:29,334 We should put the stuff back in the box. 188 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,396 There's more stuff up here. 189 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:50,355 GEORGE: How far did these things go? 190 00:09:03,630 --> 00:09:06,197 [door opens and closes] 191 00:09:06,241 --> 00:09:08,025 Where did that coaster come from? 192 00:09:08,069 --> 00:09:10,506 Well, if it isn't "glampy." 193 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,160 [scoffs] 194 00:09:12,203 --> 00:09:14,641 If it isn't my most tedious coffee date ever. 195 00:09:14,684 --> 00:09:17,948 [scoffs] You stalk much? 196 00:09:17,992 --> 00:09:19,559 I told you I wasn't interested. 197 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:23,084 And you're trailing mud on my rugs. 198 00:09:23,127 --> 00:09:25,129 [sighs] 199 00:09:26,653 --> 00:09:28,742 I did not come in here looking for you. 200 00:09:28,785 --> 00:09:31,309 I'm looking for historical documentation 201 00:09:31,353 --> 00:09:34,356 about former Passamaquoddy land in Horseshoe Bay, 202 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:36,227 specifically for this address. 203 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:38,447 Well, as a matter of fact, 204 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:40,405 you are looking for me. 205 00:09:40,449 --> 00:09:42,494 In the absence of the woman who's normally in charge here, 206 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:44,192 I have recently began an internship 207 00:09:44,235 --> 00:09:46,542 as a historical intern. 208 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:50,241 Great. 209 00:09:53,854 --> 00:09:56,639 Suppose you absolutely need the electric kettle 210 00:09:56,683 --> 00:09:57,988 to brew a cup of tea. 211 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:00,295 You know, thermal shock from overly hot water 212 00:10:00,338 --> 00:10:02,036 can burn sensitive tea leaves. 213 00:10:02,079 --> 00:10:03,298 I'm not one for reading tea leaves, 214 00:10:03,341 --> 00:10:06,083 but maybe try being less sensitive. 215 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:08,608 If you want to check this out, I'm gonna need your name. 216 00:10:08,651 --> 00:10:09,652 Abby, was it? 217 00:10:09,696 --> 00:10:12,481 Addy. Soctomah. 218 00:10:14,918 --> 00:10:17,268 Have this back to you by end of day. 219 00:10:19,270 --> 00:10:20,576 And if I'm not here, then I guess 220 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:21,925 I'll just see you never. 221 00:10:21,969 --> 00:10:23,579 Mm. That would be too soon. 222 00:10:24,798 --> 00:10:26,103 [phone vibrating] 223 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:27,365 Oh. 224 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:30,499 Hi, George. 225 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:32,240 You missed me, right? 226 00:10:33,415 --> 00:10:34,677 You're stuck in a what? 227 00:10:34,721 --> 00:10:36,200 [phone beeps]Okay. 228 00:10:36,244 --> 00:10:39,073 Bess is working up a plan of action for the haunted box, 229 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:40,988 and then she's gonna come pick us up. 230 00:10:41,031 --> 00:10:42,511 Found Joe Kelsey's watch. 231 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:44,426 [Nancy sighs] 232 00:10:44,469 --> 00:10:47,385 I am guessing that his ghost did not want us 233 00:10:47,429 --> 00:10:48,691 to look at the evidence in the box. 234 00:10:48,735 --> 00:10:51,259 Us? I assume this is the royal we 235 00:10:51,302 --> 00:10:53,261 from the soon-to-be queen of DetectiveCon. 236 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:54,784 But why? 237 00:10:54,828 --> 00:10:56,830 He confessed to the murder. 238 00:10:56,873 --> 00:10:58,048 He was executed for it. 239 00:10:58,092 --> 00:11:00,137 What did his confession say? 240 00:11:02,009 --> 00:11:03,750 Oh, thank you. 241 00:11:10,539 --> 00:11:12,541 "I, Joe Kelsey, 242 00:11:12,584 --> 00:11:14,717 "being of sound mind and informed of my rights, 243 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:16,806 "do hereby waive my right to a trial. 244 00:11:16,850 --> 00:11:19,374 "I confess that on the night of July 17, 1950 245 00:11:19,417 --> 00:11:21,376 "in Poughkeepsie, New York, 246 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:22,986 "while attempting to take a cash box 247 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:24,074 from the offices..."[slow clanking] 248 00:11:24,118 --> 00:11:25,685 [gasps] 249 00:11:25,728 --> 00:11:29,689 No. I really don't like that sound. 250 00:11:29,732 --> 00:11:33,954 "I struck the night watchman a blow with my hammer." 251 00:11:33,997 --> 00:11:36,478 So, of course, you follow it. 252 00:11:36,521 --> 00:11:38,480 No one cares about George. Whatever. 253 00:11:38,523 --> 00:11:39,524 Here. 254 00:11:40,569 --> 00:11:43,441 Wait, hold on. 255 00:11:43,485 --> 00:11:45,008 ACE: That's his hammer. 256 00:11:49,099 --> 00:11:50,710 Whoa. 257 00:11:54,409 --> 00:11:56,541 Oh, watch out!He's not aiming at us. 258 00:11:58,848 --> 00:12:00,371 Where are we? 259 00:12:00,415 --> 00:12:01,895 Joe Kelsey's ghost is 260 00:12:01,938 --> 00:12:04,462 restaging the crime? 261 00:12:04,506 --> 00:12:06,508 [speaking Yiddish] 262 00:12:09,119 --> 00:12:10,207 What is he saying? 263 00:12:10,251 --> 00:12:12,296 Nachtmensch. 264 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:14,298 Nightman. Is that German? 265 00:12:14,342 --> 00:12:15,909 I think it's Yiddish. 266 00:12:19,042 --> 00:12:21,479 [speaking Yiddish] 267 00:12:21,523 --> 00:12:22,742 Look out! 268 00:12:22,785 --> 00:12:24,526 [screams] 269 00:12:24,569 --> 00:12:26,571 GEORGE:Oh, my God! Nancy. 270 00:12:33,187 --> 00:12:35,885 [grunts] Help me! 271 00:12:35,929 --> 00:12:38,496 Come on. I got you. 272 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:40,716 [grunting] 273 00:12:44,372 --> 00:12:46,461 [sighs] 274 00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:48,724 Dude, I didn't know you spoke Yiddish. 275 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:49,725 I don't. 276 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:51,683 My grandparents did. 277 00:12:51,727 --> 00:12:54,121 I only remember a couple words here and there. 278 00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:56,384 Something about that reenactment didn't make sense. 279 00:12:56,427 --> 00:12:59,517 Just one thing? 280 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:01,171 Joe Kelsey was left-handed. 281 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:03,434 Or his ghost was at least. 282 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:05,175 He swung with his left hand. 283 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:06,220 And? 284 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:09,223 And... 285 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:12,530 the coroner's report indicates 286 00:13:12,574 --> 00:13:15,707 that the killer swung with his right hand. 287 00:13:15,751 --> 00:13:18,710 A downward blow from behind 288 00:13:18,754 --> 00:13:20,582 to the right side of the skull would be consistent 289 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:22,671 with a right-handed attack. 290 00:13:22,714 --> 00:13:24,325 Maybe it was left-handed 291 00:13:24,368 --> 00:13:26,283 and just kept hitting the same spot? 292 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:27,981 It wouldn't match the blood spatter on the wall. 293 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:29,373 So, what the ghost showed us 294 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:30,940 matches his confession, 295 00:13:30,984 --> 00:13:33,508 but it's not what actually happened?NANCY: Right. 296 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:35,727 The evidence can't lie. 297 00:13:35,771 --> 00:13:37,642 But a-a ghost can. 298 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:39,644 Maybe he wants us to believe 299 00:13:39,688 --> 00:13:41,864 that he was the murderer. 300 00:13:41,908 --> 00:13:43,387 Uh, we already think that. 301 00:13:43,431 --> 00:13:44,475 Right, the world did. 302 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:49,089 Based on, what, a confession 303 00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:51,482 that could have easily been falsified and written 304 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:54,050 by cops who spoke fluent English, unlike Joe. 305 00:13:54,094 --> 00:13:55,443 So, they executed 306 00:13:55,486 --> 00:13:57,271 an innocent man. 307 00:13:57,314 --> 00:13:59,316 Yeah. 308 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,318 But that's not why he's upset. 309 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:03,930 He's upset about the lie being exposed 310 00:14:03,973 --> 00:14:06,410 by people looking too deep into the evidence. 311 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:08,630 That's why he's trying to keep it all locked up here. 312 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:10,893 I mean, but why would a ghost work so hard 313 00:14:10,937 --> 00:14:13,026 to convince us that he's guilty if he's not? 314 00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:15,419 I don't know. That's the question. 315 00:14:15,463 --> 00:14:16,943 Hey. 316 00:14:20,424 --> 00:14:22,905 The matchbook from Joe's personal effects. 317 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:25,081 Imagine living your whole life, 318 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:26,953 and this is all you leave on the planet 319 00:14:26,996 --> 00:14:28,258 to show you were ever here. 320 00:14:28,302 --> 00:14:29,738 [phone vibrating]Ooh, I sure hope that's Bess 321 00:14:29,781 --> 00:14:31,914 with something useful. 322 00:14:31,958 --> 00:14:33,046 [sighs][phone beeps] 323 00:14:33,089 --> 00:14:34,221 All right, what you got? 324 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:36,440 So, I found an account in Hannah's files 325 00:14:36,484 --> 00:14:39,443 about a curio shop that was selling estate sale heirlooms 326 00:14:39,487 --> 00:14:41,706 by a ghost who still wanted to possess them. 327 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:44,579 So the shopkeeper burned them all and the spirit moved on. 328 00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:47,277 Sweet. Bess says burn it all. 329 00:14:47,321 --> 00:14:48,888 You're on speaker.[phone beeps] 330 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:51,151 Um, that-that's gonna cause big problems, 331 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:53,762 because I promised the evidence to Laci. 332 00:14:53,805 --> 00:14:56,330 But the ghost doesn't want the evidence examined. 333 00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:58,332 I mean, does Laci even know what's in the box? 334 00:14:58,375 --> 00:15:00,160 Okay. That is a good point. 335 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:01,552 It's a mystery box. 336 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:04,338 So if she opens it, anything that looks 1950s-like, 337 00:15:04,381 --> 00:15:06,514 it should still feel legit. 338 00:15:06,557 --> 00:15:07,732 Exactly. 339 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:09,125 And there's plenty of vintage decorations 340 00:15:09,169 --> 00:15:11,040 at the Historical Society that could fit the bill. 341 00:15:11,084 --> 00:15:14,304 I mean, it's misleading and not very honest. 342 00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:15,523 Eh... 343 00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:17,177 But in the debate between what Laci wants 344 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:18,656 versus what the ghost wants, 345 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,267 I think we should prioritize the lives we can save 346 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,616 by catching the Frozen Hearts Killer 347 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:23,313 as quickly as possible.Agreed. 348 00:15:23,357 --> 00:15:25,054 All right, bring the fake evidence, Bess. 349 00:15:25,098 --> 00:15:27,404 Where would we be without you? 350 00:15:27,448 --> 00:15:29,276 Mm, broken down, trapped in a factory 351 00:15:29,319 --> 00:15:30,712 and haunted, I imagine. 352 00:15:30,755 --> 00:15:31,713 Ciao. 353 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:33,802 Ted. 354 00:15:33,845 --> 00:15:35,456 Uh, is Nick about? 355 00:15:35,499 --> 00:15:36,979 He's trying to fix the Wi-Fi. 356 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:38,285 Okay. 357 00:15:38,328 --> 00:15:39,982 Okay, Ted, give it another shot. 358 00:15:40,026 --> 00:15:41,027 Hey. 359 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:43,899 Wi-Fi. 360 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:45,118 Okay, good. 361 00:15:45,161 --> 00:15:46,771 Now you can get your homework done, huh? 362 00:15:46,815 --> 00:15:50,123 Jesse says you haven't been turning in assignments? 363 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:52,995 That's not like you. What's going on? 364 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:55,780 Nothing. I'm fine. 365 00:15:57,913 --> 00:15:59,219 Found my list. 366 00:15:59,262 --> 00:16:01,177 Almost done. What's up? 367 00:16:01,221 --> 00:16:03,310 It's not as bad as it sounds. 368 00:16:03,353 --> 00:16:05,051 Oh, that's a comforting preamble. 369 00:16:05,094 --> 00:16:07,096 Okay, but Nancy, uh, George and Ace are trapped 370 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:08,489 in an abandoned factory 371 00:16:08,532 --> 00:16:10,012 by a ghost who only speaks Yiddish. 372 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,320 Okay. So, what do they need? 373 00:16:13,363 --> 00:16:15,235 Antiques, which I can give them. 374 00:16:15,278 --> 00:16:17,237 And a ride that you can give me. 375 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,542 Okay. Okay.Yeah. 376 00:16:18,586 --> 00:16:20,544 Uh, Jesse's putting together bookshelves, 377 00:16:20,588 --> 00:16:21,937 so let me see if my new STEM counselor 378 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:23,025 can-can watch things here. 379 00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:24,113 She's a godsend.Okay. 380 00:16:24,157 --> 00:16:25,114 Uh, Addy? 381 00:16:25,158 --> 00:16:27,160 No. 382 00:16:29,597 --> 00:16:31,816 I talked to my contact at the state recorder's office. 383 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:33,166 These documents should get us 384 00:16:33,209 --> 00:16:35,298 the plaque. 385 00:16:36,386 --> 00:16:39,563 Oh, uh, oh, this place was built on unceded lands 386 00:16:39,607 --> 00:16:42,088 that belong to the Passamaquoddy. 387 00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:44,525 So, we're gonna get a plaque out front to commemorate. 388 00:16:44,568 --> 00:16:45,787 So, she works here? 389 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,876 NICK: Yeah. 390 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:50,487 Huh. Yeah, you two, uh... 391 00:16:50,531 --> 00:16:52,750 you know each other? 392 00:16:52,794 --> 00:16:55,405 Hmm. Oh, you know, we should go. 393 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,016 Our friends really need us, so... 394 00:16:57,059 --> 00:16:59,409 Yeah. Addy, can you hold it down here for a few hours? 395 00:16:59,453 --> 00:17:00,671 Oh, yeah. Sure thing. 396 00:17:05,372 --> 00:17:07,243 Guess we'll be seeing more of each other after all. 397 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:08,897 Hmm. 398 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:11,639 Come on, Nick. Let's go. 399 00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:16,992 Joe Kelsey, 400 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,081 we have heard you. 401 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:20,909 Your secret is safe with us. 402 00:17:20,952 --> 00:17:23,303 We will not tell your story. No one will ever know. 403 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:25,827 This we promise. 404 00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:27,481 Okay. Are we sure that we found everything? 405 00:17:27,524 --> 00:17:29,091 Yeah. 406 00:17:29,135 --> 00:17:30,658 There's nothing left of him. 407 00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:37,230 Thank you, Joe. 408 00:17:41,712 --> 00:17:43,714 ♪ 409 00:17:46,543 --> 00:17:48,545 [fire crackling] 410 00:17:50,243 --> 00:17:52,201 [engine starts] 411 00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:55,161 Feels normal. 412 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:56,814 All right. 413 00:17:56,858 --> 00:17:58,338 We back in business. 414 00:17:58,381 --> 00:17:59,861 Okay. 415 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:02,559 I will text Nick and Bess to tell them to meet us 416 00:18:02,603 --> 00:18:04,300 at the convention site. 417 00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:06,128 [shifts gear] 418 00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,174 ♪ 419 00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:28,324 What was the name again? 420 00:18:28,368 --> 00:18:30,065 Nancy Drew. 421 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:31,762 GEORGE:Feel like you would've been bigger here. 422 00:18:31,806 --> 00:18:34,591 I guess my legend's purely coastal. 423 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:36,506 Great costume. 424 00:18:38,508 --> 00:18:39,509 BESS: Hey. 425 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:42,164 Oh, here. Yeah. 426 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,210 Hi. I am so sorry to pull you away. Hey. 427 00:18:44,253 --> 00:18:45,776 I know you have so much on your plate right now. 428 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,648 I got it all under control. My new hire's on it. 429 00:18:47,691 --> 00:18:49,171 The kids are plugged in. 430 00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:50,390 I got time to have some fun. 431 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:51,782 Really?Yeah. 432 00:18:51,826 --> 00:18:53,741 Aw, 'cause I didn't need to be away from you. 433 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,657 Let's have fun. 434 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,267 At DetectiveCon. 435 00:18:58,311 --> 00:18:59,312 Hmm. 436 00:18:59,355 --> 00:19:02,271 Ah, it was under "Drew Nancy." 437 00:19:02,315 --> 00:19:04,012 Here are your passes for the floor, your lanyards, 438 00:19:04,055 --> 00:19:06,057 and your clue sheet. 439 00:19:06,101 --> 00:19:07,363 This year's incognito nemesis is 440 00:19:07,407 --> 00:19:10,149 diabolical social worker. 441 00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:12,847 If you solve the mystery and track down your nemesis, 442 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:15,763 you win a gift card to Bread Herring Fish & Chips. 443 00:19:15,806 --> 00:19:18,026 Cute. Cool. 444 00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:20,855 Hey, um, so... 445 00:19:20,898 --> 00:19:23,118 as requested. 446 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,119 Did you burn everything? 447 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:25,251 Yes. 448 00:19:25,294 --> 00:19:26,426 GEORGE: Good plan, Bess. It worked. 449 00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:28,819 Hey, but you keptthe box 450 00:19:28,863 --> 00:19:31,344 and-and this gross old tape? 451 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:34,260 Joe Kelsey's ghost opened the door and let us out. 452 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:35,435 So maybe he didn't care about the wrapping? 453 00:19:35,478 --> 00:19:36,610 Yeah, but you didn't burn everything. 454 00:19:36,653 --> 00:19:38,264 We need to get rid of this tape, too. 455 00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:40,309 We need to make this box look like Nancy never messed with it. 456 00:19:40,353 --> 00:19:42,877 It just has to be good enough to fool Laci 457 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,096 so she gives me her Frozen Hearts Killer info. 458 00:19:46,968 --> 00:19:48,970 [groans] 459 00:19:51,929 --> 00:19:53,366 Very nice. 460 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,845 DetectiveCon, here we come. 461 00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:56,020 [exhales] 462 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:03,767 [panting] 463 00:20:03,811 --> 00:20:05,813 [takes deep breath] 464 00:20:05,856 --> 00:20:07,815 You all right? 465 00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:09,120 [speaking Yiddish] 466 00:20:11,297 --> 00:20:12,820 Beg your pardon? 467 00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:14,561 My head is burning. 468 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:22,960 [crying] 469 00:20:36,452 --> 00:20:38,454 What is happening with you right now? 470 00:20:49,987 --> 00:20:53,164 They said Laci should be in the mainstage area. 471 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:56,037 Okay, let's try not to get... separated. 472 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,212 What? 473 00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,823 What the hell is that? 474 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:00,824 Hey, 475 00:21:00,868 --> 00:21:02,652 why does that look exactly 476 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:03,958 like your Claw uniform? 477 00:21:04,001 --> 00:21:06,743 You totally nailed her. 478 00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:08,310 I nailed who? 479 00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:11,139 You know what would round it out is a nametag. 480 00:21:14,490 --> 00:21:16,275 Oh, my... 481 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:18,233 What... Are you...Oh, 482 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,887 so George of you to pretend you don't know. 483 00:21:20,931 --> 00:21:22,324 We're the Fan Fans. 484 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:25,545 Fans of George Fan. We also sell 485 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:27,242 officially licensed crowbars. 486 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:28,548 Huh. 487 00:21:28,591 --> 00:21:30,419 "Purchase your own George Fan 488 00:21:30,463 --> 00:21:32,160 official merchandise." 489 00:21:32,203 --> 00:21:34,815 You know, a tribute to the anonymously-penned, 490 00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:38,122 epic legend of George Fan the ghost detective. 491 00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:41,256 She gruesomely died, then returned from the dead 492 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,953 to solve supernatural mysteries 493 00:21:42,997 --> 00:21:45,173 with her plucky sidekick, Nancy Drew. 494 00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:48,219 Oh. Plucky. 495 00:21:48,263 --> 00:21:50,657 Okay, how-how did all of this happen? 496 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:52,267 Wait. 497 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:54,051 You really aren't a fan? 498 00:21:54,095 --> 00:21:56,315 No, girl. I am theFan! 499 00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,881 Who-who is writing about me? 500 00:21:57,925 --> 00:21:59,274 Where can I find these stories? 501 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:00,623 Uh, well, online. 502 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:03,365 I am really glad I made this trip. 503 00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:10,503 [groans] 504 00:22:12,156 --> 00:22:14,376 Have some of this.[groans] 505 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:16,813 Feels like an electrical storm in my brain. 506 00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:18,946 Well, the Con can be very overwhelming. 507 00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:21,601 Plus, you owe me four dollars for that water. 508 00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:22,863 [chuckles] 509 00:22:22,906 --> 00:22:24,908 Hey. 510 00:22:24,952 --> 00:22:27,607 Nearly got a smile out of you. 511 00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:30,044 Nick says that I was imagining things, 512 00:22:30,087 --> 00:22:31,828 but when you didn't invite me to this adventure, 513 00:22:31,872 --> 00:22:35,832 I thought that you were leaving me behind on purpose. 514 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,967 I guess I was feeling a little bit mothered by you. 515 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,143 So, I was right. 516 00:22:43,884 --> 00:22:47,017 Wait. Mothered? 517 00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:50,586 Ace, you needed it. 518 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:53,894 Letting Mr. Bobbsey worm his way into your life. 519 00:22:53,937 --> 00:22:55,504 I kicked him out of my car. 520 00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:57,376 That doesn't mean it's over. 521 00:22:57,419 --> 00:23:00,074 People like that don't take no for an answer, trust me. 522 00:23:00,117 --> 00:23:01,554 [groans] 523 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:03,991 Okay. Okay, let's just deal with one problem at a time. 524 00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,167 You have to sit down. Now. 525 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:09,997 I think I made a connection with Joe Kelsey's ghost. 526 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,783 Maybe because I kept something 527 00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:15,829 from his evidence box. 528 00:23:17,483 --> 00:23:21,400 That is exactly what I told you not to do. 529 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:23,445 I know.Okay, whatever it is, 530 00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:25,360 we need to burn it right now. 531 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:30,409 ♪ 532 00:23:31,845 --> 00:23:34,108 He's showing me something else. 533 00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,901 What? Are you... 534 00:23:47,251 --> 00:23:49,210 Wha... 535 00:23:53,301 --> 00:23:54,998 Okay, your face is on fire 536 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:56,913 like someone has just sat you in an electric chair, 537 00:23:56,957 --> 00:23:59,002 and you're randomly speaking in Yiddish. 538 00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:02,397 We need to neutralize this curse right now. 539 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:05,052 Come on.No. 540 00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:07,315 I have to see what his ghost is trying to tell me. 541 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,709 But why? 542 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:12,189 Joe had numbers on his arm. 543 00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:13,800 Just like my grandfather. 544 00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:15,715 I have to know 545 00:24:15,758 --> 00:24:18,413 why someone who survived the Holocaust 546 00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:19,849 would decide to give up 547 00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:22,417 his own life in America.But... 548 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,158 Ace, come back here, now. 549 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:25,202 [exclaims softly] 550 00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:27,944 Laci? 551 00:24:27,988 --> 00:24:30,251 Hi, I'm-I'm Nancy Drew. 552 00:24:30,294 --> 00:24:32,906 Oh, my God, um, hi. 553 00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:34,342 You're real. 554 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:36,605 I think so. [chuckles] 555 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:40,087 Is that it-- the Joe Kelsey evidence? 556 00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:42,263 I can't believe it.Uh, 557 00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:45,396 I know how much you care about the Joe Kelsey case. 558 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,095 And I know how much you care 559 00:24:48,138 --> 00:24:49,923 about catching the Frozen Hearts Killer. 560 00:24:49,966 --> 00:24:53,404 Right. So, what do you know about him? 561 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:58,845 Well, I did a show real early in my podcast 562 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:01,543 where I proposed that FHK stopped killing three years ago 563 00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,980 because he used argon as a freezing agent 564 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:05,504 and accidentally froze off two of his fingers. 565 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,811 I did a deep dive. I listened to that episode. 566 00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:10,900 Yeah, but you can't listen to my voice mails. 567 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,686 A listener called in. Which was remarkable, 568 00:25:13,729 --> 00:25:16,906 because although I get about 100,000 downloads per pod now, 569 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:19,692 I had no idea I had any listeners back then. 570 00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:22,608 And he said he liked the part when I said 571 00:25:22,651 --> 00:25:24,914 that FHK had a lot of pride. 572 00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:27,787 And that he targeted victims who he felt slighted him. 573 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:29,658 You did listen. 574 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:34,620 The caller thanked me for, quote... 575 00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:36,099 "Getting it right." 576 00:25:36,143 --> 00:25:38,798 Well, he was claiming to be the killer.Exactly. 577 00:25:38,841 --> 00:25:41,148 I profiled the caller, I sifted through metadata, 578 00:25:41,191 --> 00:25:42,845 and I tracked his digital footprint 579 00:25:42,889 --> 00:25:45,544 to the alias Richard Trott. 580 00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:47,937 The eight-fingered man. I got that far, too. 581 00:25:47,981 --> 00:25:50,374 Did you get his real name? 582 00:25:50,418 --> 00:25:52,768 Rodric T. Hartt. 583 00:25:52,812 --> 00:25:55,205 That's Hartt with...Two Ts? 584 00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:58,948 It's an anagram. Classic. 585 00:25:58,992 --> 00:26:00,689 He still occasionally leaves me positive reviews. 586 00:26:00,733 --> 00:26:01,908 He gave me this great write-up 587 00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:05,607 after I spoke at DetectiveCon '18 in Bangor. 588 00:26:05,651 --> 00:26:07,522 Are you planning to say all of this on your show? 589 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,612 Are you planning on letting go of this box? 590 00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:14,050 Thank you. 591 00:26:14,094 --> 00:26:15,835 No. Thank you. 592 00:26:20,056 --> 00:26:21,754 Whoa, okay, can you please not... 593 00:26:21,797 --> 00:26:23,582 No, don't-don't take a selfie or post that. 594 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:24,757 No, I'm-I'm not signing autographs. 595 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,454 I'm so sorry, I... 596 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,369 Can someone please tell me who the online anonymous author is? 597 00:26:28,412 --> 00:26:30,937 But you're so good at solving mysteries. 598 00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:32,286 You should tell us. 599 00:26:32,329 --> 00:26:35,289 No.Hey, I just purchased some of their merch 600 00:26:35,332 --> 00:26:38,335 and their payment app is linked with one of my contacts. 601 00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:40,120 Uh-oh. 602 00:26:40,163 --> 00:26:41,425 What's uh-oh? 603 00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:45,125 Oh, look, it's-it's George's plucky sidekick. 604 00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:47,127 George's what? 605 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:49,085 Fan Fans? 606 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:50,696 I'll get back to that. 607 00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:54,351 Listen, Laci gave me Trott's real name and a decent profile. 608 00:26:54,395 --> 00:26:57,311 Sounds like he really loves hearing himself talked about. 609 00:26:57,354 --> 00:26:59,661 Like a lot of serial killers, 610 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:02,708 he follows his own investigation and he... 611 00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:04,753 He's been to DetectiveCon before. 612 00:27:04,797 --> 00:27:08,365 I just saw a lightbulb go on over her head. 613 00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:14,502 Hey, can you go over there and check in 614 00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:16,330 under the name Rodric T. Hartt? 615 00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:18,201 Yeah. Got it. 616 00:27:20,203 --> 00:27:21,509 So, you're famous here. 617 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:24,686 Trust me, I did not mean to steal your thunder. 618 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:26,427 I am definitely not psyched 619 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:27,907 about someone telling my story, 620 00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:30,257 and also I hate not knowing who started this legend. 621 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:33,782 Rodric T. Hartt has already checked in. 622 00:27:33,826 --> 00:27:35,915 The Frozen Hearts Killer is here. 623 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:48,667 ♪ 624 00:27:54,368 --> 00:27:56,283 WOMAN [over speaker]: Hey, gumshoes! 625 00:27:56,326 --> 00:27:58,459 In ten minutes, we'll be broadcasting live 626 00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:01,549 with Laci McAllister's Premeditatedpodcast 627 00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:03,333 on the mainstage. 628 00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:10,166 WOMAN: Do you need a seat? 629 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:14,823 This isn't my first Con. 630 00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:16,956 I brought these chairs from home. 631 00:28:16,999 --> 00:28:18,305 Thank you, ma'am. 632 00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:20,350 This is helpful. 633 00:28:21,308 --> 00:28:22,222 That's my granddaughter up there. 634 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:23,658 ACE: Oh. 635 00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:33,146 Oh, your trash, Nancy Drew. 636 00:28:33,189 --> 00:28:34,625 Is that Y-O-U-R or apostrophe R-E? 637 00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:35,626 Both. 638 00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:37,063 That isn't the real box. 639 00:28:37,106 --> 00:28:38,717 Y-You thought I would buy it? 640 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,153 This is DetectiveCon, bitch, 641 00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:43,330 and I needed the evidence in the box. 642 00:28:43,373 --> 00:28:45,332 What, did you steal it and keep it for yourself? 643 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:47,769 No. I had to burn it.What? 644 00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:50,250 If you're trying to solve the Kelsey case 645 00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:52,252 before I can...No, I'm not. 646 00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:54,515 I just... I got distracted by it 647 00:28:54,558 --> 00:28:55,864 because I thought it might have something to do 648 00:28:55,908 --> 00:28:57,344 with the Frozen Hearts Killer. 649 00:28:57,387 --> 00:28:59,999 But listen... he's here. 650 00:29:00,042 --> 00:29:03,089 Rodric T. Hartt is in the crowd somewhere. 651 00:29:03,132 --> 00:29:05,439 He checked in under his real name, 652 00:29:05,482 --> 00:29:06,745 and I'm gonna lure him out. 653 00:29:09,835 --> 00:29:11,619 That's the sound of me blinking. 654 00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,752 We both want to catch this guy. 655 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,624 And I need your help. 656 00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:19,758 Please. 657 00:29:22,282 --> 00:29:24,545 [indistinct chatter] 658 00:29:26,025 --> 00:29:27,722 Okay, so, what are we looking for? 659 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:30,203 Uh, suspicious reactions from the crowd during Laci's podcast. 660 00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:32,596 Someone who's really interested, agitated, 661 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,947 you know, murder-y. 662 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:37,732 [speaking Yiddish]NICK: Ace? 663 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,255 Ace? 664 00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:40,779 BESS: He's fine. 665 00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:44,739 It's just some haunting residue from unwise decisions. 666 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:47,481 Hey, are you... are you good 667 00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:49,178 to help us look for the Frozen Hearts Killer? 668 00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:51,964 Yes. 669 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:53,139 Yes. I can do that. 670 00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:55,054 No, no, no, whoa. 671 00:29:55,097 --> 00:29:56,359 Sit in the chair.Okay. 672 00:29:56,403 --> 00:29:57,883 I'm gonna look here. 673 00:29:57,926 --> 00:29:59,188 I'll cover this. 674 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:00,363 You look over there.Great. 675 00:30:00,407 --> 00:30:02,061 Over there. 676 00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:09,720 Here, honey. How are you feeling? 677 00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:13,724 Better. Better now. 678 00:30:13,768 --> 00:30:15,596 LACI: Here we go, DetectiveCon. 679 00:30:15,639 --> 00:30:18,512 Laci McAllister coming to you live. 680 00:30:18,555 --> 00:30:20,644 Let me hear it. 681 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,737 Please welcome my guest: 682 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,088 Horseshoe Bay's very own little homegrown detective, 683 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,872 Nancy Drew. 684 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,614 [clapping, whooping] 685 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,271 So, tell me 686 00:30:38,314 --> 00:30:39,533 about the profile that you created 687 00:30:39,576 --> 00:30:40,534 for the Frozen Hearts Killer. 688 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:44,146 NANCY: Well, FHK 689 00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:45,931 loves to hear himself talked about. 690 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,324 He believes he's destined to become a legend. 691 00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:51,371 But it's kind of sad, really, 692 00:30:51,414 --> 00:30:53,503 because he's a pathetic joke. 693 00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,462 You know why this guy stopped killing? 694 00:30:55,505 --> 00:30:57,159 He froze his own fingers off. 695 00:30:57,203 --> 00:31:00,467 LACI:Well, you can't reach legend status 696 00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:01,598 if every kill costs you a digit. 697 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:02,904 NANCY: Exactly. 698 00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:04,427 And your audience knows what's really terrifying 699 00:31:04,471 --> 00:31:06,255 about a serial killer. 700 00:31:06,299 --> 00:31:07,866 The hunt. 701 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:09,780 But there's no care invested 702 00:31:09,824 --> 00:31:11,173 in how he picks his targets, 703 00:31:11,217 --> 00:31:13,219 when he picks his targets. 704 00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:17,223 He-he is impulsive. Stupid, really. 705 00:31:17,266 --> 00:31:20,226 Easily offended and impatient. 706 00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:23,577 His is never gonna be a name remembered by history. 707 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,666 Hey!In fact, 708 00:31:25,709 --> 00:31:26,885 We should be focusing on 709 00:31:26,928 --> 00:31:28,451 remembering the unfortunate victims, 710 00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,062 not immortalizing some loser. 711 00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:31,672 You got me. 712 00:31:33,761 --> 00:31:37,025 Here's your gift card to Bread Herring Fish & Chips. 713 00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:40,159 You're the incognito nemesis 714 00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:41,987 from the DetectiveCon game.Yeah. 715 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:43,553 The diabolical social worker. 716 00:31:43,597 --> 00:31:45,468 Are you kidding me? 717 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,255 NANCY: ...who's blocked. 718 00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:51,126 But this guy's method-- 719 00:31:51,170 --> 00:31:53,259 freezing the hearts of his victims? 720 00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:54,869 LACI: Let's take a moment 721 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,610 to remember the most recent victims. 722 00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,961 [mouths]Matthew Burke. 723 00:32:00,005 --> 00:32:02,442 Dustin Yates. 724 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:05,227 And that brings us to a couple of messages 725 00:32:05,271 --> 00:32:06,794 from my sponsors. 726 00:32:06,837 --> 00:32:08,361 Back in five. 727 00:32:08,404 --> 00:32:12,017 [applause]I am gonna go get my notes from the car. 728 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,757 And then after the commercial break, 729 00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:15,107 I can go over the crime scene details. 730 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,239 Maybe that'll catch the killer's attention. 731 00:32:17,283 --> 00:32:19,154 Okay. 732 00:32:24,072 --> 00:32:26,770 [indistinct chatter] 733 00:32:26,814 --> 00:32:28,120 [door closes] 734 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:32,820 ♪ 735 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:48,662 [doorknob rattling] 736 00:32:50,794 --> 00:32:53,972 What you said about me wasn't true. 737 00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:01,196 ♪ 738 00:33:08,421 --> 00:33:09,900 Hello, Rodric. 739 00:33:09,944 --> 00:33:11,772 Huh. 740 00:33:11,815 --> 00:33:14,035 And you said you'd never say my name. 741 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:18,083 Also, you were wrong to call me sloppy. 742 00:33:18,126 --> 00:33:20,172 It's just... 743 00:33:20,215 --> 00:33:22,304 It's-it's not easy. 744 00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:24,698 But I'm... 745 00:33:24,741 --> 00:33:26,743 I'm getting closer. 746 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,051 I'm-I'm getting it right. 747 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:33,446 You want to be studied. 748 00:33:33,489 --> 00:33:35,491 You want to be known. 749 00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,493 You don't really get it. 750 00:33:37,537 --> 00:33:40,844 Maybe someone else will, though. 751 00:33:40,888 --> 00:33:44,544 When they find your heart frozen. 752 00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:49,288 Richard Trott.Rodric Hartt. 753 00:33:49,331 --> 00:33:50,637 We know who you are. 754 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,986 Put your hands up. 755 00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:57,818 [shouts] 756 00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:04,259 [chuckles] 757 00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,481 [handcuffs clicking] 758 00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:14,052 What happened to Matthew Burke's heart? 759 00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:15,531 Why did you take it? 760 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:17,011 What don't I get? 761 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:19,579 I'm a part of something much bigger. 762 00:34:19,622 --> 00:34:21,624 You'll never understand. 763 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:41,383 Are you okay? 764 00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:44,430 [siren chirps]Yeah, just like we planned. 765 00:34:44,473 --> 00:34:46,475 [cars depart] 766 00:34:56,572 --> 00:34:58,487 Hey, you finish your homework? 767 00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:01,751 What else would I be doing?Oh, I don't know-- 768 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:05,103 just checking your Fan Fan sales on a payment app? 769 00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:08,541 Are you mad? 770 00:35:10,673 --> 00:35:13,328 Ted, how'd you even find out 771 00:35:13,372 --> 00:35:15,200 about all that stuff that happened? 772 00:35:15,243 --> 00:35:18,377 Odette told me. I thought it was cool. 773 00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,771 So you were... 774 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,164 proud of me? 775 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:25,601 I guess. 776 00:35:28,691 --> 00:35:31,346 Well, then... 777 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:32,826 I guess I'm a Fan Fan, too. 778 00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:36,177 Sign me up. 779 00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:37,396 It's ten dollars to join. 780 00:35:37,439 --> 00:35:38,832 Excuse you? 781 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,573 I was gonna share the money. 782 00:35:45,273 --> 00:35:47,319 Well, okay. [chuckles] 783 00:35:47,362 --> 00:35:49,495 That's a lot of money. Okay, you know what, 784 00:35:49,538 --> 00:35:52,802 I'm gonna try to encourage your entrepreneurial spirit. 785 00:35:52,846 --> 00:35:54,978 But no slacking off in school over this 786 00:35:55,022 --> 00:35:57,677 or taking my old hoodies and selling them without asking. 787 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,200 And you're still grounded. 788 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:00,593 [sighs]Do you want me 789 00:36:00,636 --> 00:36:02,116 to limit her Wi-Fi access here? 790 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,639 Mm, no. 791 00:36:03,683 --> 00:36:05,685 She'll just find a workaround, 'cause that's who she is. 792 00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,600 And that's fine. 793 00:36:08,644 --> 00:36:12,300 I mean, that's why you're making this space, right? 794 00:36:12,344 --> 00:36:15,216 So that people can connect over who they really are. 795 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:18,567 That's one thing you can check off your to-do list. 796 00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:22,441 [chuckles] 797 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,059 [clears throat] 798 00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,934 You know, you're the only person 799 00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:39,414 that I've been on a date with 800 00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:41,547 who was disappointed I didn't want to just get coffee. 801 00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:47,466 Conversation isn't a deterrent for someone with depth. 802 00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:49,076 [chuckles] 803 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,512 You know what I did today 804 00:36:50,556 --> 00:36:52,035 other than make a perfect cup of tea? 805 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,256 Hmm.I helped my friends deal 806 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,998 with paranormal mishaps. I solved a case. 807 00:36:58,041 --> 00:36:59,478 I caught a serial killer 808 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,785 and I wrangled a haunted spirit. 809 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,787 My life is swirling 810 00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:07,399 with weirdness that occasionally 811 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:12,142 I like to go for a spot of word-free physicality. 812 00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:13,622 Okay? 813 00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:16,451 ♪ Maybe I'm addicted to the fight... ♪ 814 00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:19,672 I totally would have banged you, 815 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,326 if I'd known you were interesting. 816 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:23,502 ♪ So darkness turns to daylight ♪ 817 00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:25,547 ♪ 818 00:37:41,476 --> 00:37:44,392 Can't believe she caught an actual serial killer. 819 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:47,439 Well, it wasn't my plan. It was, uh... 820 00:37:49,658 --> 00:37:53,314 Uh, look, everyone, sorry. 821 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:55,229 I need to get my Grandma home. 822 00:38:05,935 --> 00:38:07,023 What is this? 823 00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:08,547 [gasps] 824 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:11,071 Bluebird Motor Hotel? 825 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:14,248 How did you get this matchbook? 826 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,469 I kept one last item from Joe Kelsey's evidence box. 827 00:38:17,512 --> 00:38:19,949 H-How do you know about Joe? 828 00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:21,951 Uh, Grandma, 829 00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:24,519 I, um, tried to get the box 830 00:38:24,563 --> 00:38:25,738 of his personal effects. 831 00:38:26,782 --> 00:38:29,568 I'm sorry. 832 00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,222 I didn't just want the box for a podcast. 833 00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:33,441 It was for her. 834 00:38:33,485 --> 00:38:35,791 You knew him? 835 00:38:36,836 --> 00:38:38,490 We worked together. 836 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:39,534 NANCY: Somebody who worked in 837 00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,319 the same factory as Joe Kelsey 838 00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,060 tried to clear him, but by then, 839 00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:46,367 the police already had his full confession. 840 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,630 You knew he was innocent. 841 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:49,718 [speaking Yiddish] 842 00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:54,984 Those were Joe's words. 843 00:38:55,028 --> 00:38:56,377 Do you know what they mean? 844 00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:03,297 "I'll never leave you, sweetheart." 845 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,864 I couldn't understand 846 00:39:04,907 --> 00:39:06,822 most of what Joe said, 847 00:39:06,866 --> 00:39:08,911 but that's what he'd whisper to me 848 00:39:08,955 --> 00:39:11,958 when it was time for us to leave each other. 849 00:39:12,001 --> 00:39:13,829 Bluebird 850 00:39:13,873 --> 00:39:17,267 Motor Hotel was where we'd meet. 851 00:39:17,311 --> 00:39:20,488 We'd arrive separately so no one would see us together. 852 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:24,405 It's where he was the night of the murder. 853 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:25,537 With me. 854 00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:27,234 LACI: This was 1950, 855 00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:28,888 almost 20 years before Loving v. Virginia 856 00:39:28,931 --> 00:39:30,368 went to the Supreme Court. 857 00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:33,283 If the people in my Grandma's neighborhood found out 858 00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:36,156 that a white man and a Black woman were in a relationship, 859 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,507 it would've been her who paid the price. 860 00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,248 NANCY: But you didn't care. 861 00:39:41,291 --> 00:39:43,032 You still tried to alibi him. 862 00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:44,294 I knew he was innocent. 863 00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:45,818 I suspected it was 864 00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,036 the other night watchman 865 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,430 who stole the money box 866 00:39:49,474 --> 00:39:50,866 and murdered his colleague, 867 00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:53,434 pinned the crime on Joe. 868 00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:57,003 That same watchman robbed another spot 869 00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,266 a few years later and got caught. 870 00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:02,269 NANCY: Either way, you couldn't help Joe. 871 00:40:02,312 --> 00:40:06,491 He confessed to a crime he didn't commit 872 00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:09,058 rather than see anything happen to you. 873 00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:11,583 ACE: He died thinking of you. 874 00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:16,109 Protecting the secret you two had. 875 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:20,156 It's why his ghost wasn't able to move on. 876 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,899 I used to go to his grave late at night, 877 00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:27,468 in a black mourning veil, so no one would recognize me. 878 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:32,342 Just wish I could let him know, 879 00:40:32,386 --> 00:40:34,432 so his soul can rest. 880 00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:35,694 LACI:Grandma. 881 00:40:35,737 --> 00:40:38,000 I'm okay. 882 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:41,177 His sacrifice 883 00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,920 let me live my full life. 884 00:40:46,879 --> 00:40:48,750 [gasps] 885 00:40:56,845 --> 00:40:59,021 He knows now. 886 00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:21,914 You can feel good. 887 00:41:21,957 --> 00:41:23,611 You gave those people some peace, 888 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:26,266 and you caught a serial killer. 889 00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:28,703 Yeah. 890 00:41:28,747 --> 00:41:31,184 It's just that he s... 891 00:41:31,227 --> 00:41:34,143 said something to me. 892 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:38,713 TROTT: I'm a part of something much bigger. 893 00:41:38,757 --> 00:41:41,629 You'll never understand. 894 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:46,068 Do you ever feel like a mystery isn't quite solved? 895 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:50,072 Captioning sponsored by CBS 896 00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,552 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 897 00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:17,578 [woman screams, bell dings] 898 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:19,580 [pencil scribbling]