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This program me contains
some strong language
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and scenes which some viewers
may find upsetting from the start
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In Birmingham, West Midlands Police
are dispatched to an address
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after a man called 999,
claiming to have killed a woman.
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Crime scene coordinatorjo Ward is
leading the forensic investigation.
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23 years in a job,
the feelings are the same.
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It doesn't get any easier.
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I'm still nervous,
as I'm getting my white suit on.
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There's always kind of apprehension.
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just the unknown, I suppose,
of what I'm going to walk into.
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Does she live on her own?
No, it's an HMO. HMO.
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So I believe there's four flats,
effectively. Yeah.
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It is quite unusual for a suspect
to ring the police
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and confess to a stabbing.
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That doesn't alter the way
we carry out our scene examination.
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You can't assume anything.
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The suspect could change his story.
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There might have been
other people involved.
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You have to process that scene
and the forensic evidence
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can either disprove or
prove his account.
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Right. Ready? Yeah.
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Half a mile away from the scene,
officers arrive to arrest the man
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who confessed to the stabbing
in the call.
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Step out, step out, on the floor!
Step out onto the floor, do it now!
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Hands behind your back!
Hands behind your back.
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Drop it out your hand,
drop it out your hand.
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The suspect
is 27-year-old Pablo Hoad.
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Priority message - we've made it
to Whitmore Road,
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we've got the offender in cuffs.
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Right, what's this on your hand?
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OK. Have you got any other injuries
I need to be aware of?
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OK, right,
are you going to be able to sit up?
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The suspect's phone is ceased
and he is taken into custody.
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Knees up. Yeah.
OK, take a seat in there, mate.
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At the crime scene,
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jo and investigators carry out
an initial assessment,
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while the victim's body is still
in the flat.
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Christ Almighty!
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It's absolutely saturated,
isn't it, here? Yeah.
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You've got blood spatter everywhere.
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The scene is quite shocking.
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There's a lot of blood on the walls,
on the doors, on the flooring.
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She'd obviously received
some substantial injuries
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to cause that blood loss.
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The victim is 27-year-old
Shannon Stanley.
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She'd obviously been
lying on that pillow. Yeah.
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Good grief!
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It is tragic.
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There's a young woman
that's had their life taken away.
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You do have to, within scenes,
kind of relive the last moments
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of their life, cos obviously
you're trying to put together
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what's actually happened.
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One of the officers outside said
something about her being found
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and moved.
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And, obviously, you've got the
contact marks, haven't you, on the walls?
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Ancl then we've got obviously
the spray as well, haven't you?
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On both doors, isn't it,
either side? Yeah.
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So, obviously, something's
happened here.
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Blood spatter in several different
rooms in the flat
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makes it unclear where the attack
took place.
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So, obviously, she's been
placed here after.
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Yeah.
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I can't see the blood loss just coming
from that one injury to her forehead.
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It's got to have hit an artery,
hasn't it?
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With the amount of blood in there,
it's quite unusual.
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But it gives me
quite a lot of evidence to process.
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Smell the cannabis in here.
Can you smell it? Yes. Yeah, yeah.
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There's a lot of drink
and beer as well. Cheers.
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There's evidence of
a gathering of people,
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all having a drink
within the living room.
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Potentially, there might have been
a witness to this offence.
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We've got to find out
who was at the party.
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Yeah.
Was there kind of any arguments?
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What's the reason for this?
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There might have been other people
within the scene
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at the time of the offence,
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people who live at that address.
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We can identify witnesses
at that scene via DNA
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and fingerprints of those items,
if they don't come forward.
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Stand up.
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You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
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if you do not mention when questioned
something you later rely on in court.
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Anything you do say may be given
in evidence, all right, yeah?
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The suspect, Pablo, is brought
into custody to be processed.
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He's aggravated a bit of a hand
injury and it's started to actively bleed.
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We've sort of bandaged it up
as best we can. Right.
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Might need a nurse just to come
and have a look at it.
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He is given medical attention
for the wound on his hand,
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which he claims to have suffered
during the fatal stabbing.
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Pablo's clothes, fingerprints
and DNA are taken as evidence.
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And his phone is sent to
digital forensics for analysis.
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So, Operation Drilidae,
which is a beetle, I'm told.
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The case is being investigated
by Detective lnspectorjim Mahon
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and his homicide team.
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Suspect in custody is Pablo Hoad.
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He called in to admit
killing the deceased
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and he stated the murder weapon
was a knife.
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The premises was accessed
via a door at the back,
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and you go straight up the stairs
and there's four separate bedrooms,
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all with coded locks on the door.
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As a murder detective,
you have to be questioning.
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You've got to not assume anything.
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just cos someone's confessed
to killing somebody
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doesn't mean that we can just
go home.
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He might be lying, or he might
change his story, or could be
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covering up for somebody else.
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We can't just solely rely
on that confession alone.
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The victim, Shannon,
and the suspect, Pablo,
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rented separate rooms
in the property.
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The deceased was found in the
bedroom, but they took her out to do
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the first aid in the lounge because
there was space on the floor.
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It is an absolute bloodbath.
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There's sprays of blood everywhere,
in pretty much every room,
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other than rooms one and two.
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Aims and objectives, then -
number one, we need to try
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and keep this suspect detained.
We need to locate witnesses.
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Secure and preserve evidence
through forensic searches.
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We need to find the knife,
principally,
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and to arrange
a forensic postmortem.
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We need to locate a next of kin.
Right, thank you all.
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Somebody has been killed.
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We need to establish exactly how,
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what their cause of death was,
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what the motivations and
the reasonings are behind it.
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It's really important that we
question the suspect straight away
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because they can lead us
to forensic evidence
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to convict them of that crime.
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Detectives take Pablo in
for questioning.
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If you want to take a seat there
for me.
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So, we're here today
to talk about a murder.
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Of course.
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Pablo is claiming that
he acted in self-defence.
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In layman's terms,
if someone attacks you,
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you are allowed to protect yourself
from harm.
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You're not criminally responsible
for that death.
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So, this just changes the whole
nature of the investigation.
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Ultimately, Shannon's been killed,
so we need forensics to establish -
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was his life under threat
from Shannon?
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Pablo could be a murderer,
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but if it's deemed that he acted
in defence of himself,
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then he could walk free.
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So, the stakes are really high.
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With the suspect claiming
he acted in self-defence,
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specialist crime scene investigator
Julie Slater joins jo at the scene
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to help gather crucial evidence
from the victim's body.
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Pablo has confessed to this offence,
so if we find his footprint,
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or we find his fingerprints,
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that doesn't prove or disprove
his account
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because he's already put himself
at the scene.
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So, it does make it more difficult,
with regards to forensic evidence.
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With self-defence, there's always
a question of what force is
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necessary to deter someone.
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Was it proportionate?
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Pablo's account is that
she come at him with the knife
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and he's had no alternative
to get her off.
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That could be a possibility.
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This is what we need to identify.
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There's that injury to the left side
of her forehead. Yeah.
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Looks like it could be quite deep,
possibly quite deep. Yeah.
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It's quite long, isn't it?
Yes, long and linear. Yeah.
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I can't see the blood loss just coming
from that one injury to her forehead. Yeah.
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The body in a murder investigation
is a scene.
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We class it as a scene as well
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because we can gather forensic
evidence from Shannon's body.
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Well, let's hope so.
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That would be great, wouldn't it,
if she has? Yeah.
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I always say that we're actually
speaking for the victims,
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because they can't
speak for themselves.
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On her left hand there...
There's a potential defence injury.
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Yeah. Certainly quite a nasty...
Like she kind of put her hand up.
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Looks like it's kind of
gone through.
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It's gone between the fingers.
Possibly, yeah. Yeah.
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Gone quite deep. Yeah.
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Yeah, it goes through.
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On Shannon's left hand, I can see
quite a significant injury,
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possibly a defence injury.
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Did he need to use that much force?
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Does that fit in, really,
with his account of self-defence?
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Photographs of Shannon's injuries,
DNA and clothing,
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including a blood-stained jacket,
are collected and sent for analysis.
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It's like a puffer jacket, yeah.
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She's got injuries to her head,
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so she was obviously
wearing that at the time.
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This appears to be the only
cutlery drawer. Yeah.
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Ancl there is a lack, in general, of
sharp knives, isn't there? Yes, yeah.
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Where have all the knives gone?
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We can't actually find any weapon
within that scene,
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but interestingly enough,
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there's not actually any knives
within the knife drawer.
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You'd at least have one or two sharp
knives, normally, within a kitchen,
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so it is quite unusual.
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There's obviously been a knife
that's been used
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to commit the injuries to Shannon
and it's no longer in the scene.
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Detectives start to review footage
from nearby CCTV cameras
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to track Shannon and
Pablo's movements
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and identify any potential witnesses
they were with
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in the hours leading up
to the fatal stabbing.
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CCTV makes or breaks
a lot of our cases now.
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People have CCTV and Ring doorbells,
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restaurants and commercial venues
have CCTV,
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so even if the actual murder's
not caught on CCTV,
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you can piece together the events
of that clay.
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So, all these are cameras...
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Yeah. ..and you can see the route
that they take.
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So, you sort of tracked them when
you saw them coming out? Yes. Yeah.
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What we know is that there was
a number of people within the house.
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So, we then look at the CCTV
in that area
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to try and see who those people are,
try and find who the witnesses are.
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We're also just looking at people's
behaviours throughout the clay.
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Are they getting along well?
Are there signs of arguments?
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Are there disagreements?
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So they're coming from the direction
of Mount Pleasant, up Coventry Road.
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Ancl then that's the victim there
who's coming back from Morrisons.
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They've got Morrisons carrier bags.
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Cameras capture the victim
walking with a flatmate,
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just hours before the attack.
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So, then this is back to Whitmore
and this is Pablo and Waqar.
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Police identify Pablo, along with
a friend, Waqar Ali, on CCTV.
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Waqar has already told police
that he was not present
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when Shannon was stabbed, but that
Pablo turned up at his house
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shortly before he was arrested.
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Ancl then this is much later on,
going towards McDonald's.
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Ancl that's Pablo.
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CCTV shows Pablo joining Shannon
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and their flatmate less than
two hours before he called 999.
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That group seem to get on OK
at this point.
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Yeah.
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And from what I can see
from the cameras inside McDonald's,
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they go to the toilet.
They're all drinking in there.
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Nothing happens between them.
Between them.
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It is strange watching the CCTV.
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You know that at some point,
the person stood next to Shannon
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is going to...
Going to kill her.
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You can see on the CCTV
that Pablo and Shannon,
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they're both comfortable together.
They're both friendly.
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You're sort of then thinking,
"What's the trigger point that
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"set off that chain of events, which
leads to Shannon being killed?"
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The witness may potentially know.
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The flatmate identified on CCTV
on the evening of the stabbing
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is brought in for questioning.
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If she witnessed the fight,
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she could confirm or disprove
Pablo's story of self-defence.
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LOUD BUZZING
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The female witness provides us with
an account where she supported
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what Pablo's saying and paints Pablo
in a very good light.
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But she's not present when
the events have taken place, so
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we still only have Pablo's account
of what happened in the room.
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So, it's really important we try
and find more forensic evidence
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that could tell us
what happened to Shannon.
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The witness's confirmation that
there were knives in the kitchen
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of the flat prior to Shannon's death
prompts police to widen their search
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to the property where Pablo
was arrested.
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It's really important
for any investigation
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to try and locate the murder weapon.
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The knife that's been used
to commit the murder
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will yield some forensic evidence.
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In here? Yes.
258
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The meat cleaver found in the sink
appears to have been washed,
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like he's attempted to
remove forensic evidence.
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Blood staining over it,
handle and blade.
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Blood stained.
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I'm quite surprised that...
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You know, I didn't realise
we were going to find...
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...five knives in total.
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It's quite hard to understand
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why Pablo's taken all those
knives away from the scene.
267
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Why has he hidden the knives?
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There's an awful lot of questions
that need answering.
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We've clone a search
on the Whitmore Road address.
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Our forensic team have found
some knives in there.
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So there's the grey and white.
OK, there's two other knives.
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What knife did you stab
Shannon with?
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No comment.
274
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Is that the knife that you
took off her earlier? No comment.
275
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Can you describe that kitchen knife
to me at all?
276
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Can you describe that meat cleaver
to me at all, mate?
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OK.
278
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Pablo, what's happened in the house?
279
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,855
Obviously, there's been some
argument between you and Shannon.
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There has.
281
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So why did this argument
start, mate?
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I asked someone to leave the house.
OK.
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She didn't like that.
284
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Then she started going...crazy
like she usually does,
285
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shouting and swearing.
286
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,815
And I told her,
"Don't talk to me like that.
287
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,775
"|'m not your other mates
that you talk shit to."
288
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,615
OK. So she picked up...
289
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,775
It sounds weird, she picked up
my knife from the draining board.
290
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,855
OK.
291
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,095
She approached me with it,
saying she was going to kill me...
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...and stab me. So I grabbed
the blade with this hand.
293
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OK. And I put my thumb on top
of the handle there
294
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and I twisted it up
and out of her hand.
295
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,215
I didn't know, like, what had
actually happened to my hand.
296
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I just knew that the knife
has sliced into my fingers
297
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,095
while I was trying to get it off
of her. OK.
298
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,695
And even then I didn't,
I still weren't...
299
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,335
There was nothing, like, in my head
that I was going to use that knife,
300
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,935
even after I took it off of her...
OK.
301
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,295
...until she went to grab
the meat cleaver.
302
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,255
So I stabbed her.
303
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,815
And then...
304
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,815
...she's still... Like,
she's grabbing the meat cleaver
305
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and trying to swing it.
306
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,575
I carried on stabbing her,
307
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,655
but I weren't thinking about, like,
"|'m going to seriously hurt her."
308
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,455
And then, like, she's slouched over,
309
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,335
but she's still swinging
the meat cleaver towards my legs.
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So I'm, like, with my legs back,
still trying to...
311
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just to get her to stop.
312
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,135
But then as soon as she dropped it,
she said,
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00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,935
"|'m sorry, I'll stop it.
just let me go to my room."
314
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I let her go, go to her room.
315
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,815
I collected all of the knives
from the kitchen
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00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,055
and my plan was just
to put them in my room,
317
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so she didn't have no access
to them.
318
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,095
So when she dropped the cleaver,
319
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,895
have you tried to give her
any help at all?
320
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,855
No. If I'd known
she was seriously hurt,
321
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,615
I wouldn't have even left
the property.
322
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,975
I would have rang 999 the way I did
when I knew she was seriously hurt.
323
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,975
I would have been still
at the property,
324
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,815
trying to help her,
cos that was never my aim.
325
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,495
And as soon as I knew, I rang
and tried to get her help.
326
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,175
OK. OK.
327
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,295
I was just trying to... OK.
"protect myself.
328
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,015
That's all I was trying to do.
329
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,495
OK.
330
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,575
Self-defence,
it's not a simple concept.
331
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,615
His response has to be reasonable,
necessary and proportionate.
332
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,535
So if someone came to punch you,
333
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,455
you would be justified
in pushing them away.
334
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,975
But if someone came at you
with a gun,
335
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,055
then you might be justified in
running them over in your car.
336
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,455
So you have to balance that level
of threat with the response.
337
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:16,215
But to flee the scene with weapons
and hide them
338
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,415
makes you question his account.
339
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,215
If he is lying,
the lie's just got a lot bigger.
340
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,815
In an attempt to verify
Pablo's account,
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00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,575
the recovered knives are examined.
342
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,615
There's just blood everywhere
on that.
343
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,655
Looks pretty covered, doesn't it?
Yep.
344
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,215
Pablo is saying that he's been
attacked with a knife
345
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,775
and also the meat cleaver,
346
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,175
but we'd found five knives
in total.
347
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,895
Have all of the knives been used on
Shannon or just one in particular?
348
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,175
Is it proportionate with regards
to him saying it was self-defence?
349
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,215
A further examination of those
knives hopefully will ascertain
350
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,535
which one has been used.
351
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,375
First, they look at the grey-handled
kitchen knife.
352
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,535
It does look quite fatty
in places... Yeah.
353
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,015
.and quite greasy, which is a
characteristic of a knife being used
354
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,655
as a stabbing implement.
355
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,335
When a knife penetrates a body,
it goes through a layer of fat.
356
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,455
And when the knife is pulled out
of the body,
357
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,015
it may leave traces of fat
on the blade.
358
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,415
I'm after handler DNA
as opposed to touch DNA,
359
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,415
so if someone's just touched it.
360
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,975
We're looking for someone
that's actually used it.
361
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,055
We start by recovering
any cellular material
362
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,415
to get a good handler DNA sample -
363
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,375
skin cells, for example, or sweat.
364
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,175
It's obviously invisible
to the naked eye.
365
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,495
So much blood.
366
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,495
We then examine the knives
under a microscope for blood.
367
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,615
Blood is a much richer source
of DNA.
368
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,375
There's some ridge details as well.
369
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,695
It's kind of quite faint. Yeah.
370
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,455
ls there an indication that
he's got an injury, did we say?
371
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,055
It says he's cut his hand. Yeah?
372
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,655
So that might indicate that
it's been held with blood wet hands.
373
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,695
Samples are taken
from all five knives,
374
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,775
including the meat cleaver,
375
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,415
to be compared to Pablo
and Shannon's DNA profiles.
376
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,015
If both Shannon's blood and Pablo's
DNA are found on the same knife,
377
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,895
it could identify which one killed
Shannon and support Pablo's account.
378
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,455
TELEPHONE RINGS
379
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,575
Jo Ward, Crime Scene Coordinator.
380
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,735
Oh, hiya, Jo.
It's Lucy from Eurofins.
381
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,895
I've got some results from you
from the knives
382
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,135
in the Shannon Stanley case.
Oh, OK, lovely.
383
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,295
So the meat cleaver,
384
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,135
we sampled the hilt, where
the handle meets the blade...
385
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,455
Yeah.
386
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,175
...and that produced an apparent
major DNA profile matching Shannon.
387
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,375
Given the knives were found
within her address,
388
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,975
we expect some of her DNA
to be on them. Yeah, yeah. OK.
389
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,975
And then we found blood
on the grey-handled knife.
390
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,895
That's the larger one, wasn't it?
Larger knife. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
391
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,295
The blood on the blade
gave a complete major DNA profile
392
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,935
matching Shannon.
393
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,815
And then the blood on the handle
of that knife produced
394
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,815
a complete major DNA profile
matching Pablo.
395
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,495
OK, that's interesting.
396
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,295
Pablo's account is that
he's cut his hand
397
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,735
by pulling, obviously, the knife
off Shannon.
398
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,895
So he's bleeding, isn't he?
Yeah.
399
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,455
Obviously that injury would need to
have been bleeding at the time
400
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,055
for that transfer to have occurred.
401
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,255
We've got a contact blood stain
on one of the knives
402
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,335
which produced a major DNA profile
matching the suspect himself.
403
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,935
That might be because he did have
a bleeding injury,
404
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,935
which corresponds
with what he's saying.
405
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,535
Could you say that
that had possibly been used
406
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,815
as a weapon on Shannon at all?
407
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,015
My conclusions that I've drawn
in relation to all of the knives,
408
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,855
they're the same, to be honest.
409
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,975
We haven't seen any specific
blood patterns on them
410
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,815
that might suggest any of the knives
have been used as a weapon.
411
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,415
It could be that they did exhibit
some of the features,
412
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,015
but those features
have been removed or altered
413
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,375
as a result of Pablo moving
the knives to a different location
414
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,735
or washing them
or anything like that.
415
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,335
While there's some evidence
to support Pablo's claim
416
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,215
he was injured taking the knife
from Shannon,
417
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,335
the tests do not conclusively say
418
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,095
if one or more weapons
were used against her.
419
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,135
Hmm.
420
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,255
It's very frustrating
from my point of view.
421
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,695
I was hoping for some evidence
that would either prove
422
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,495
or disprove his account.
423
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,655
So the examination of the knives
424
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,855
really haven't took us
any further forward.
425
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,815
In digital forensics, Pablo's phone
is examined by a data specialist
426
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,295
to track its usage
on the day of the killing.
427
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,975
I think the average person would be
quite surprised with how much
428
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,055
is recorded and
kept on the device -
429
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,895
messages, calls, contacts,
web history.
430
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,055
We can extract data...
431
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,855
...and images and videos
which have previously been deleted
432
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,975
from applications which sell
themselves on removing data -
433
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,615
ie, Snapchat.
434
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,775
When we extract a person's device,
435
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,815
we can uncover their deepest
and darkest secrets...
436
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,455
...even though you think
they're deleted.
437
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,855
There's a lot going on, isn't there?
Yeah.
438
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,575
While data is extracted
from the phone,
439
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,415
jo calls in blood pattern analysists
440
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,615
to interrogate the sequence
of events Pablo described.
441
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,495
They start in the kitchen, where
Pablo claims to have stabbed Shannon
442
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,975
before leaving unaware
that she was fatally injured.
443
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,895
I've been going to scenes
for probably 22, 23 years now,
444
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:21,055
and this is the most blood
I think I've seen in one property.
445
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,855
Very fine spatter. Very fine.
Extremely. Yeah.
446
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,775
So how's it got all the way
over there?
447
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,135
That's kind of that sort of...
448
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,895
They're all going downs,
aren't they? Yeah. Yeah.
449
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,335
By looking at
all the blood patterns,
450
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,575
we can reconstruct
what's taken place at the scene.
451
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,575
We can say where the victim
sustained their injuries,
452
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,055
how ferocious was the incident.
453
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,735
It's about looking
at the distribution of blood
454
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,255
and what does it tell us?
455
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,295
We've got blood runs here
that have run over the two drawers.
456
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,655
We're looking at the size
of the stains,
457
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,535
the actual shapes of
the individual stains as well.
458
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,175
We can tell which direction
they've travelled
459
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,215
before they've hit the surface.
460
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,655
We've got this spatters
low down on the skirting.
461
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,415
Those drips are quite heavy,
aren't they? Yeah.
462
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,175
These are actually spatters of blood
which have landed on the doors
463
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,375
and they've run down, so it's
a relatively large volume of blood.
464
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,415
Quite strong indication
it started in the kitchen,
465
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,815
mainly based on
the widespread distribution
466
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,095
and variety of
blood patterns present.
467
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,975
OK, so you've got some kind of
event happening.
468
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,695
Blood's being spattered in here
and the d00r's closed.
469
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,055
And it's maybe continued
into the other room.
470
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,975
It's like a trail, isn't it?
Isn't it?
471
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,215
Blood is also present in the
corridor leading to the bedrooms,
472
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,695
where the team make
a significant discovery.
473
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,975
There's bubbles
in some of these. Look.
474
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,495
Oh, there are. Yeah, big ones.
475
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,215
It's very likely that the victim was
bleeding from an arterial injury,
476
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:21,095
which are indication of
quite a forceful breach of arteries.
477
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,695
You can sometimes see arterial
injuries whereby the blood
478
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,735
is spurted quite high.
479
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,095
I've seen arterial injuries
maybe eight feet high on the wall.
480
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,775
It's just covered in blood.
481
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,895
When Pablo initially spoke
to the police,
482
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,095
he said he didn't call 999
483
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,295
because he thought Shannon was OK
when he left.
484
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,055
The blood patterning tells
a completely different story.
485
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,175
It suggests that
there was blood spraying out.
486
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,895
Most people aren't going to think
that that's not a serious injury
487
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,215
that requires medical help.
488
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,895
I just thought I'd go through
these postmortem results. Yes.
489
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,575
To confirm whether Shannon sustained
an arterial injury,
490
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,295
as the blood at the scene suggests,
491
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,575
jo goes through the postmortem
report with jim.
492
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,015
So she's got at least,
possibly 12, sharp force injuries
493
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,775
according to the postmortem.
494
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,975
The number of stab wounds
that someone's got
495
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,895
is really key to self-defence.
496
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,095
If you're saying you're under attack
497
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,095
and you're having to stab someone
to protect yourself,
498
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,255
Shannon's got multiple injuries and
Pablo's got an injury to his hand,
499
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,975
so to inflict so many injuries
in self-defence
500
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,335
seems less and less plausible.
501
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,415
She's got quite deep wounds
to the left side of her forehead.
502
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,095
So she's got one here. Yeah.
503
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,455
But obviously the most significant
is this one here,
504
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,495
which is just kind of
behind her ear,
505
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,135
and that's the one
that has caused her death
506
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,575
cos it's gone through
some major vessels.
507
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,895
She's also got kind of
defence injuries in her left hand,
508
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,335
and it was kind of
in this area here.
509
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,815
Ancl that had actually gone
right the way through.
510
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,455
So it's obviously taken
quite a lot of force to... Yes.
511
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,975
You know, for that to go through.
512
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,495
So whether, you know, in defence,
whether she's kind of, you know,
513
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,495
trying to protect her head
or her face
514
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,055
and she's clone that
and he's kind of...
515
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,175
Pablo is left-handed,
516
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,375
so you would expect that Shannon,
if they were facing each other,
517
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,615
would have injuries
to her right side.
518
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,975
If he's left-handed... Yeah.
519
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,615
...and you've gone at me
with a knife
520
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,775
and his wound on his hand...
521
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,575
...is protecting the knife,
takes it off her... Yeah.
522
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,175
...and then attacks,
523
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,695
you would expect the injuries
to be on the...
524
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,855
To the right. ..more to the left.
To your right. Yeah.
525
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,815
But obviously the main one,
obviously quite significant one,
526
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,855
is...to the left, isn't it?
Yes.
527
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,295
So it's interesting. You know,
what position was Shannon in?
528
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,055
Yeah. Was she kind of facing away,
or...
529
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,455
Yeah, so he's clone it from behind.
Behind, yeah.
530
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,335
If you kill somebody
when their back's turned to you,
531
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,695
or you're attacking them while
they're trying to protect themselves,
532
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,495
are they that much of a threat?
533
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,975
We've got quite a lot
of forensic evidence
534
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,775
of Pablo not telling us the truth,
535
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,775
but that's not enough
to convict somebody.
536
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,135
We have to prove it beyond
responsible doubt to a jury.
537
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,735
We still don't have anything
that's concrete
538
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,255
that says it wasn't self-defence.
539
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,415
Quite heavily blood-stained,
that is.
540
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,815
With the postmortem revealing
that Shannon suffered
541
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,055
a considerable number of injuries,
542
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,175
jo examines her coat -
recovered from the crime scene -
543
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,015
to assess the level of violence
used by Pablo.
544
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,335
These are almost like child sizes,
aren't they?
545
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,095
It's quite petite. Yeah.
546
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,095
Shannon's approximately
five foot four in height
547
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,415
and I'd say probably about six
and a half, seven stone in weight.
548
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,175
What level of force is necessary
to deter someone
549
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,615
so small and so petite as Shannon?
550
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,575
Can you just check, is there any...?
551
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,575
Cos obviously she was stabbed
to the left side of her neck.
552
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,495
That's that side, isn't it?
Yeah.
553
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,175
From the postmortem,
we can see you know the injuries
554
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,255
that she's got to her body
corresponds to
555
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,935
the damage to the jacket.
556
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,375
Obviously these two, we know that
she's got three injuries to her head
557
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,335
and, yeah, back of the head.
558
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,095
And both of these have
both gone through. Yeah.
559
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,055
That suggests to me
that she's had her hood on.
560
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,175
Had it up, yeah.
561
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,615
I'm just thinking, has that damage
actually gone all the way through?
562
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,335
So it's just gone through
to the jacket,
563
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,255
so it's not made contact
with her skin.
564
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,855
We've got what looks like damage
caused by a knife.
565
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,335
So if we turn the jacket over,
we can see it's not gone through,
566
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,455
so it wouldn't have made contact
with the skin.
567
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,015
It's obviously just gone
so far into the jacket
568
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,815
and then not come out
the other side.
569
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,615
Ancl she had no injuries to her chest
or abdomen on the postmortem.
570
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,535
This is quite interesting,
571
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,455
similar to the one on the front
of the jacket.
572
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,175
Obviously this is to
the right sleeve of the jacket,
573
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,255
but there's no reported stab wound
to the right side of her arm.
574
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,735
Ancl the inside, the filling
of the coat is still white,
575
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,695
so it would indicate fresh damage.
576
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,615
So it would obviously mean
as he's been stabbing,
577
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,455
he's obviously tried
to stab her more times
578
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,975
than what we've seen
from the postmortem results.
579
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,295
The amount of times that
Shannon's been stabbed,
580
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,055
it's obviously a prolonged kind of,
581
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,815
I suppose, quite frenzied attack.
582
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,215
Pablo is claiming self-defence.
583
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,295
It's quite hard to understand
how in self-defence
584
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,615
that she's received
so many injuries.
585
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,255
jo also reviews photographs
of Pablo's clothing -
586
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,255
recovered after his arrest -
587
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,255
for signs he was attacked by Shannon
in the way that he described.
588
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,775
Looking at the jacket,
there's actual damage marks.
589
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,375
There's five areas of damage.
590
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,295
The two at the top here
have possibly been caused by
591
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,055
a cigarette burn or
something like that.
592
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,615
But these three here
definitely are consistent
593
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,735
with being caused by
a sharp instrument.
594
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,735
I'm just looking at
the white vest top.
595
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,095
There's three areas,
indicated by the arrows there...
596
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,775
...which show damage marks.
597
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,775
So they've gone right
the way through the top.
598
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,175
Ancl they're all consistent with
being caused by a sharp instrument.
599
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,695
He said he's been attacked
by Shannon,
600
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,575
but he's not actually mentioned
in his interview that the knife
601
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,335
has made contact and caused
any damage to his clothing.
602
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,895
Why?
603
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,535
It certainly raises questions.
604
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,415
With forensic evidence
suggesting Pablo may be lying,
605
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,215
investigator Andy Hiles
analyses data
606
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:25,295
extracted from his phone
from the night of the attack.
607
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,975
So this is a period that
I'm particularly interested in -
608
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,695
before the murder took place
at 00:34.
609
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:45,055
So I just want to have a quick look
at the chat that he's had.
610
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,215
So here I can see that
there's Snapchat messages.
611
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,215
I've got part of the message
in the description -
612
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,335
"Not really, but will be.
These tried stab me.
613
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,935
"Got my hand sliced open."
614
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,695
But the question is,
what's the context of that?
615
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,775
So I'm able to now look ancl see if
there's any audio or any video
616
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,815
that marries up in the time.
617
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,975
I have got one here that's seconds
before that message is sent.
618
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,415
The mobile number that
the voice message is sent to
619
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,575
belongs to Pablo's friend,
Waqar Ali.
620
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,895
It gives me the time stamp
from the handset,
621
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,335
so I can see here that the timing of
that message sits before our murder.
622
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,295
So you've got an account
which says that the injury
623
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,975
occurred during the assault
while he's talking about an injury
624
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,535
to his hand before that assault
has taken place...
625
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:26,135
...which would then suggest that
that isn't the case at all.
626
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,975
He hasn't sustained that
during the attack,
627
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,095
he's in fact sustained this earlier.
628
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,175
Ancl he's also talking about
having a knife with him
629
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,015
during the course of that attack.
630
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,455
Pablo, let's get this done,
then. OK?
631
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,535
This is a big breakthrough.
632
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,775
Pablo says he's been
attacked by a man with knives
633
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,495
and that they've actually
sliced up his hand.
634
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,295
Whether that's to do with gangs
or for some other reason,
635
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,655
we don't know.
636
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,335
But that suggests at least
that he's lied about
637
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,975
how he's got his hand injury.
638
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,295
Also, that message to Waqar explains
why he's got the stab wounds
639
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,535
to his clothing.
640
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,775
Detectives bring Pablo back in
for interview
641
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,775
to put the new evidence to him.
642
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,495
At this interview, our plan
is to present new information
643
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,175
that we've found that might
contradict what he's told us
644
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,055
and start to say,
"This isn't adding up...
645
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,015
"..and this is your chance now
to tell us the truth."
646
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,575
Pablo hasn't really acknowledged
any of the evidence.
647
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,375
He said he doesn't want to
talk about the earlier altercation.
648
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,815
He's received injuries,
he's been attacked.
649
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,055
You know, he must
be quite worked up.
650
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,015
It's a possibility that
his state of mind's led to him
651
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,335
being a lot more brutal
in his attack of Shannon.
652
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,135
PABLO SNIFFS
653
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,975
At this point, I'm starting to think
Shannon never had a knife at all.
654
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,855
Has he just killed her and
has fabricated a whole web of lies,
655
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,615
portraying her to be violent
to try and justify
656
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,895
every injury, every movement?
657
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,975
You know, there's
a real possibility now
658
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,935
that he's just killed her
in cold blood.
659
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,535
In light of new evidence that Pablo
was attacked earlier in the day,
660
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,095
detectives review further CCTV
cameras from the surrounding area...
661
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,615
...and make an unexpected discovery.
662
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,415
This is the walk there, is it?
This is the walk there, yes.
663
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,895
Filmed shortly before the attack,
664
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,215
it shows Pablo en route to the scene
with his friend Waqar,
665
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:47,455
who told police he was not present
when Shannon was stabbed.
666
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,135
So 23:23, he's crossing... That's
him crossing towards. ..and then...
667
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,175
And they do a fist bump - there.
668
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,335
And then this is them leaving.
669
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,495
That's them coming back
after she's dead.
670
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,375
Post-murder? Yes.
671
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,175
Another camera reveals Waqar and
Pablo walking away from the flat,
672
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,575
moments after the attack
has taken place.
673
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,935
You can see some dark marks
on the shoulders of his tracksuit,
674
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,615
a white...normal area,
but there's some dark marks.
675
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,775
They walk until they get
a bit further into Camelot Way.
676
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,575
Then they run.
677
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,415
So it's very different
to Waqar's statement.
678
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,495
Waqar says that Pablo turns up
to his house,
679
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,135
having phoned him saying
he'd clone something terrible,
680
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,775
and that Waqar didn't leave.
But obviously that's not correct.
681
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,815
So...
682
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,215
...clearly people are lying.
Yeah.
683
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,815
We've got Waqar, who's potentially
someone who's present in that room.
684
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,415
So Waqar's going to know
exactly what's happened.
685
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,775
He could give us an account,
686
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,175
which will really help all that
supporting evidence that we've got.
687
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,335
With evidence Pablo's friend
Waqar Ali was lying,
688
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,975
police arrest him and bring him
into custody for questioning.
689
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,015
The offence? Assisting an offender
in relation to a murder.
690
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,455
It's the high five moment.
691
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,295
That's a really, really good moment
because we've got
692
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,815
the scientific forensic evidence
that supports what Waqar's saying -
693
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,495
the amount of blood at the scene
694
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,815
and the number of injuries
to Shannon,
695
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,495
and he's lied about his hand injury.
696
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,295
OK, mate? I need you to come
and speak to the sergeant, come on.
697
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,015
Pablo's story of self—defence
is now in tatters.
698
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,215
It just does not hold
any weight any more.
699
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,655
Now, a charge has been
authorised for murder.
700
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,655
It's a very serious offence.
701
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,175
Murder, I don't think it can really
get much more serious than that.
702
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,135
So the next question I always
get asked is, willl grant bail?
703
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,895
No. I cannot grant bail for murder.
704
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,935
You're going to be remanded,
so you're going to stay here
705
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,695
and you're going to be taken
to court tomorrow morning.
706
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,855
We will try to contact your mum.
707
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,295
A3, please.
708
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,935
Thank you very much.
709
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,935
The most compelling piece
of evidence in this investigation
710
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,855
is the amount of injuries that
she's received and at what force...
711
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,695
...and certainly adding into that
712
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,815
the defence injury
that she's got to her hand.
713
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,615
It's quite hard to conceive
how it was self-defence.
714
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,615
You feel an enormous responsibility,
715
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,975
for Shannon's family
and for Shannon.
716
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Pablo tried to paint
a picture of self-defence
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to get out of going to prison
for a long time.
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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,015
But there's a wealth of
scientific evidence and witnesses
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that disprove his account
and show that he's lied throughout.