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So, abuse is
a made up human construct.
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BONNIE:
As much as I thought this was
a curriculum for growth,
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it's really just a weapon.
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MARK: Everything was designed
to protect him.
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ANTHONY: I got played,
and I helped this guy build
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whatever he was building
around him.
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And I was apart of that.
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We didn't join a cult!
Nobody joins a cult.
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Nobody!
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KEITH RANIERE: How we illustrate
human nobility is to get rid of
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the concept of victim like that.
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CATHERINE: They may be assigning
an FBI taskforce.
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They wanna speak to witnesses
immediately.
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SARAH: I just had my meeting
with the FBI today.
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I gave them all my evidence.
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MAN: A Tell the truth.
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KEITH: Good people do bad things
all the time.
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-Mark Vicente:
Yeah, you're right.
-Cameraman: Oh, move the camera?
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Vicente:
Yeah, move the camera,
just a little bit.
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-So, you want me to--
-Vicente: Yeah.
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Okay, I, I wrote a fable once,
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that started that
there was a mighty king
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that took over, uh, a culture,
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and this king used
torture and fear
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to create obedience.
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And over time,
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people found that if they just
obeyed what the king said,
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there was peace across the land.
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But what they sacrificed
for that was their traditions,
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their customs,
and all of their identity.
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So they just became
a group of slaves,
almost like cattle,
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that were used by the king.
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The threat of violence
was enough to keep social order.
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But if the king went
and killed everyone,
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then he would have to do
all the work.
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So, the people who are
being victimized
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have a certain power.
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And they can stand
against the king.
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And even though the king has
all sorts of weapons that
they don't have,
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and all sorts of violence
that they don't have,
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ultimately, they would
likely prevail.
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("Dream State"
by Son Lux playing)
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♪ DAYS WE WERE YOUNG ♪
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♪ WE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF
EVERYTHING WE COULD SEE ♪
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♪ WE HAD TO RUN FROM IT ♪
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♪ PRIEST AND PROPHETESS ♪
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♪ WE WERE NOTHING
WE WOULD DEFY ♪
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♪ OH, INVISIBLE SKIN ♪
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♪ WHERE IS THE WORLD WITHIN ♪
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♪ INVINCIBLE SKIN ♪
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♪ IT'S HOW WE ALL BEGIN ♪
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(phone ringing)
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Frank.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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♪
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Toni Zarattini:
AS OF, UH, RIGHT NOW,
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OUR BELOVED VANGUARD
WAS IN MONTERREY.
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AND I HAVE A PICTURE COMING
WITH CONFIRMATION,
SO WAIT FOR IT.
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He's on the run.
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Bonnie Piesse:
Show us the picture.
Can you hold it up?
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Uh, yeah.
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SO, THE PICTURE.
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THAT'S KEITH RANIERE
RIGHT THERE.
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AND THAT WAS TODAY,
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IN MEXICO.
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Then I'd like to call the FBI
and the police and tell them,
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"This is what we've
heard's happening.
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"So, if you guys are serious
about any of this,
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"you're about to lose your shot,
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BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS
OF LOYAL ESP-IANS IN MEXICO."
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THE CHILDREN OF VERY
INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES
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ARE RUNNING THE CENTER
DOWN THERE.
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YOU KNOW, LIKE,
EMILIANO SALINAS.
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HE IS THE SON OF ONE
OF THE EX-PRESIDENTS.
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HE'S SORT OF LIKE
THE JFK JR. OF MEXICO.
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AND SO KEITH HAD A LOT
OF POLITICAL CLOUT THERE.
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(car alarm chirps)
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-(dog barking)
-Catherine Oxenberg: Greg?
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Hi, little pup. Aw!
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Vicente:
I mean, he's got a lot of power
around him down there.
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Oxenberg:
And they've moved
all their classes to Mexico?
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So, we're in a tricky spot,
because
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law enforcement has said,
"Stop. Don't do any more shit."
And we're like...
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It's a, it's a waiting game.
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Greg Hannley:
So didn't he have
houses and offices
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and stuff like that in,
um, Albany?
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Vicente:
Yeah. All in other
people's names.
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-Yeah.
-Vicente: Many of them are--
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the houses are quiet
and shuttered now.
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Hannley:
So, all of that got disrupted.
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-Yeah.
-Piesse: There's still
some diehards there.
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Hannley:
Like India? Is she one of the
diehards that are over there?
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-Vicente: Yeah.
-She's here. I'm seeing
her this afternoon.
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Hannley:
But she's not here
recruiting people.
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We don't know.
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She's meeting with me
today at three o'clock.
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Hannley:
Well, and, and right now,
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she's got such blinders on that,
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she's not questioning
anything except for you.
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Oxenberg:
Correct. Shit. What do
I do if she's going--
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if she goes to Mexico?
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Hannley:
You just continually...
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It's the same way.
It's kind of like
a reverse brainwash.
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You just continually
play the message
over to her,
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till one day maybe
she hears it.
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And the message is?
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Well, tell her to stop
doing weird shit.
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Oxenberg:
Okay.
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-(all chuckling)
-Hannley: You know?
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-"Stop doing..."
-Hannley: Yeah. If you're
doing weird shit,
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-people want to hear about it.
-(laughter)
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Well, you ask questions that
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she would have to
think about now.
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Why is he in Mexico?
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Why are the houses shuttered?
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-Piesse: Yeah.
-Why is the FBI
investigating him?
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Doesn't it seem a little odd
that a guy who's
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on the up-and-up
and doing good business
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and helping people
and doing the right thing
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has to move to Mexico?
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So, 2000 and...
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I think nine, was when...
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a number of the Mexicans
spoke to him at V Week
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and said, you know,
"We are under enormous,
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"uh, fear in our country.
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"You know,
we're being kidnapped,
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Kidnapping is a business.
You know, we don't know
what to do."
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AND KEITH SAID,
"I CAN SOLVE THIS."
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Keith called all the Mexicans
together and sat
and spoke to them,
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and I recorded
all those conversations.
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(indistinct chatter)
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Good to see you.
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-Marquitos.
-Vicente: Yes!
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(woman speaking Spanish)
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It's interesting, because
when I was express kidnapped,
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I asked a lot of questions,
and I had a conversation
with these guys.
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Uh, and for them at least,
my impression was,
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that they go into
their business, like,
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like they tell their wives,
you know, "I'm going to work."
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Vicente:
NXIVM MEXICO, I MEAN, IT JUST,
IT BASICALLY SEEMED LIKE
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THEY LIVED IN SOME KIND OF
RAREFIED AIR.
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A LOT OF MONEY.
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And even in the
mission statement,
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it talks about reaching
the most influential,
powerful, you know,
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wealthiest people, blah, blah,
in the world because...
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if you go and try
and give this education
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to the people that have
zero influence,
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the lowest laborers,
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they have no influence
over society at all.
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The only sustainable way
to change a society
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is the wealthiest,
most powerful people
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needed this education.
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And that would trickle down
to everything else.
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Keith Raniere:
I think part of the problem here
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is that you guys are numb
to your own condition.
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Class neutrality is one of the
biggest problems in Mexico.
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It's one of the things
that's generating a lot of fear,
if you will.
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The entitlement of the poor
to take from the rich,
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and the fear of the poor
that they're,
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they're nothing. Oblivion.
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And the fear of the rich
that they've gotten their riches
for no reason
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and really, they don't
deserve them, either.
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I want you to imagine
a $10 bill.
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Do you know what that
$10 bill means?
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Some person in Mexico
is probably willing to work,
what, a day?
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They're willing to go and sweat,
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and spend a whole day,
just to get that little
piece of paper.
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You hold the life of
a whole family in your hand
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when you hold that $10 bill.
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And you go out and spend
that $10 bill on what?
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Drinks at a bar?
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That's what I think
of your family.
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That's what I think
of your efforts.
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That's what I think
of a whole day of your work.
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I just piss it off.
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I piss on your family.
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So why am I saying all of this?
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'Cause you have to understand
the nature of it,
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and you have to understand
the nature of what you do.
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And do the wealthy people
have to change? Yeah.
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You have to respect
the wealth that you have,
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and what it represents
in the world.
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Vicente:
KEITH SAID TO ME,
"YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE COOL
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IF YOU COULD CONTINUE
DOCUMENTING THIS."
I SAID, "I'D LOVE TO."
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So I followed them
down to Mexico to see
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what would they do with
these, this information
in these meetings.
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Raniere:
This thing will not work
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if you do not resolve
your class struggle.
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You have to be visible,
day after day,
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location after location,
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on the radio, in the news.
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Yes, I am.
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Although I don't know how
to implement this.
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I, I don't know how
to organize people
like that.
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Well, start small.
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(newscaster speaking Spanish)
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IN LAK'ECH translates to
"you are my other me."
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(speaking Spanish)
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Raniere:
So there's two aspects.
There's the economic aspect,
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which is the creation
of affluence, so to speak.
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AND THEN THE OTHER HAND
IS PEACEFUL DRILLS AND
TOOLS OF PEACE.
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Vicente:
EVERY SUNDAY AT 3:00 P.M.,
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3,000 TO 5,000
PEOPLE WOULD STAND
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all over Mexico and basically
say this particular pledge
that he had written.
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Raniere:
ALL VIOLENCE IS
A MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
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All violence traces
back to a, a fear.
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(speaking Spanish)
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So what is the nature
of compassion?
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To get to the root
of the violence,
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to transform the violence.
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(Emiliano Salinas
speaking Spanish)
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Vicente:
I DECIDED TO MAKE A FILM
ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.
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I named it
"Encender El Corazón."
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"IGNITE THE HEART."
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I WAS LIKE, I'M GONNA
FUCKING MAKE THIS FILM
A WAKEUP CALL.
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AND SO I FOUND GREAT STORIES.
AND GREAT PEOPLE.
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(indistinct chatter)
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I MET TONI ZARATTINI IN ESP,
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PROBABLY IN 2005.
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AND TONI WAS KIDNAPPED,
UM, MANY YEARS BEFORE.
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And for ransom from his family,
they cut off his ears,
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and they cut off
one of his fingers.
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(speaking Spanish)
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Vicente:
TONI AND I HAD KNOWN
EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME,
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AND I CONSIDERED HIM A HERO.
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He tried to escape once
from his kidnappers.
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They beat the shit out of him,
put him back in,
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and eventually he tried again,
and, and got away.
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TONI'S A GREAT MAN.
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HE WAS A COACH IN NXIVM,
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until he discovered that
one of his dear friends
was involved in DOS,
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and had been branded,
and he was horrified.
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AND SO HIS BATTLE WITH
THE ENTIRE MEXICAN
ESP COMMUNITY BEGAN.
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One of the reasons I got out
236
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is when I learned that Mark
had gotten out.
237
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It was like,
"What? He got out?
238
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"Mark Vicente got out?
239
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"He's like, like what?
How? He's a Green.
240
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"He's on the board.
241
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What do you-- What--
What do you mean he's out?"
242
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And they said, "No, well,
he wanted to go make movies."
243
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Didn't make any sense.
244
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(line ringing)
245
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This is my friend.
246
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HOLA.
247
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Vicente:
Um, do you have any updates?
248
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Vicente:
I hope so, Toni,
because if it doesn't,
249
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they're gonna hunt us forever.
250
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Vicente: Yeah.
251
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Right.
252
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Yeah.
253
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Vicente:
THERE'S BEEN A CERTAIN
LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY
254
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BECAUSE OF, LIKE,
LAW ENFORCEMENT
GETTING MORE INVOLVED.
255
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AND I DON'T KNOW IF
THEY HAVE A CASE OR NOT.
256
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EVERYTHING WE DID BEFORE WAS,
WE NEED TO GET THIS EXPOSED.
257
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WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT THERE.
258
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WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF CONTROL OVER WHAT
WE WERE DOING.
259
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AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S LESS
IN OUR HANDS NOW.
260
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When I first saw her,
like, oh, my God.
I love this child so much.
261
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Just being able to, like,
kiss her and hug her.
262
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(sighs) And...
263
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I feel so many mixed emotions,
I can't tell you.
264
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On one hand,
265
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I did--
I planted a lot of stuff,
266
00:16:09,089 --> 00:16:12,255
but I swear to God,
I felt like I was
planting seeds...
267
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in... (sighs)
268
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granite.
269
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Well, there's no
getting through to her
270
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that what she's doing
is super fucked up.
271
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And I did say what Greg said.
Like, I said, you know,
272
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"This is very weird."
She said, "So what
if it's weird?"
273
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I mean, what do you say
to somebody?
274
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I'm like, "Well, the world
thinks it's weird."
275
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And I said, "Not okay weird.
276
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Like fuck--
Like, creepy weird."
277
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But it doesn't seem to be
a problem for her.
278
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And I can just see how, um,
279
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like, how her morality
has been bent.
280
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So I was saying,
"Well, what if people
are going to jail?
281
00:17:00,964 --> 00:17:03,756
And what if people
have broken the law?"
282
00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,464
And she said,
"Well, I don't think
that I've done anything,
283
00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:07,964
personally, to break the law."
284
00:17:08,047 --> 00:17:10,839
I said, "I believe
that you would never
break the law knowingly."
285
00:17:10,923 --> 00:17:14,923
I said, "But what if you were
guided to break the law
by people who knew?
286
00:17:16,381 --> 00:17:18,506
Why do you think Keith fled?"
287
00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:22,005
"Well..." Her response is,
"'Cause there's a lot of people
who don't like him."
288
00:17:22,089 --> 00:17:24,923
And I'm like,
"Well, why do you think
they don't like him?"
289
00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:27,464
And...
290
00:17:29,047 --> 00:17:31,506
again, she couldn't
really come up--
291
00:17:31,589 --> 00:17:33,756
She couldn't come up
with an answer.
292
00:17:35,547 --> 00:17:37,547
(sighs)
293
00:17:37,631 --> 00:17:41,673
She really thinks that
Mark and Bonnie are
the masterminds
294
00:17:41,756 --> 00:17:43,381
of this whole operation,
295
00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,339
and that I'm being used
by Mark and Bonnie.
296
00:17:45,422 --> 00:17:48,798
Uh, Sarah and Nippy
are being used, like,
everybody's being used.
297
00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:03,464
If there's hope...
298
00:18:05,673 --> 00:18:09,381
it's not in any of the words
that were communicated.
299
00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,923
It's in... it's in here.
300
00:18:13,005 --> 00:18:14,673
You know?
301
00:18:14,756 --> 00:18:17,839
What we're up against
is such darkness.
302
00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,381
Such incredible darkness.
303
00:18:28,506 --> 00:18:30,005
(sobbing)
304
00:18:44,422 --> 00:18:45,881
I don't have
any evidence at all,
305
00:18:45,964 --> 00:18:47,255
but I feel like we're
gonna get her back.
306
00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:50,297
But I don't have
any evidence at all.
307
00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:58,547
(indistinct)
308
00:19:06,381 --> 00:19:08,381
(baby babbling)
309
00:19:23,798 --> 00:19:26,297
-(sign dings)
-Electronic voice:
TO PREPARE FOR LANDING,
310
00:19:26,381 --> 00:19:30,172
PLEASE CLOSE YOUR TRAY TABLE,
AND PUT AWAY CARRY-ON ITEMS.
311
00:19:30,255 --> 00:19:32,005
PLACE YOUR SEAT
IN THE ORIGINAL...
312
00:19:32,089 --> 00:19:34,714
Piesse:
WHEN MARK AND I LEFT,
WE PUT EVERYTHING IN STORAGE.
313
00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:36,297
Electronic voice:
ANY ITEMS YOU WISH
TO DISCARD...
314
00:19:36,381 --> 00:19:38,506
Piesse:
IT'S YEARS AND YEARS
OF OUR LIVES.
315
00:19:38,589 --> 00:19:40,464
Electronic voice:
WE'LL BE LANDING SOON.
316
00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:45,089
♪
317
00:19:49,047 --> 00:19:51,255
(indistinct announcement
over PA)
318
00:19:55,756 --> 00:19:57,214
NOW THAT KEITH'S GONE,
319
00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,422
WE FINALLY FEEL
OKAY TO GO BACK.
320
00:20:01,631 --> 00:20:03,714
Vicente:
I can see why we like LA.
321
00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:06,839
Piesse:
This is, like, gray and dead.
322
00:20:06,923 --> 00:20:08,923
-Vicente: Disgusting.
-Piesse: Yeah.
323
00:20:10,964 --> 00:20:12,881
But being back here
just reminds me
324
00:20:12,964 --> 00:20:15,172
of the heartache of, like,
how much we've lost, you know?
325
00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,297
We have lost a lot of friends.
326
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,047
-(car alarm beeps)
-Piesse: You want to go first
or you want me?
327
00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:35,756
(dog barking)
328
00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:37,297
(doorbell rings)
329
00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:40,214
It's a puppy.
330
00:20:40,297 --> 00:20:41,923
-(door lock clicks)
-It's a puppy.
331
00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:44,130
-It's a puppy. It's a puppy.
-Hi.
332
00:20:44,631 --> 00:20:46,464
Hi.
333
00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:48,798
-Hi, puppy.
-Oh, you're so--
Are you cold?
334
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,881
-Come in here.
-Oh, no, I'm all right.
I actually kind of like it.
335
00:20:50,964 --> 00:20:52,047
-Hi!
-Hi.
336
00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:55,005
-Hey.
-Piesse: How's it going?
337
00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:57,631
Something I never thought
I'd see standing in my doorway.
338
00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:58,881
-Vicente: Really?
-Piesse: Yeah.
339
00:20:58,964 --> 00:21:00,506
Yeah. You.
340
00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,255
Where do you wanna sit?
Actually, I'll sit here, boo.
341
00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:07,756
-Yeah. Okay.
-And you sit here.
342
00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,005
Toni, thank you so much
for opening up
your house to us.
343
00:21:10,089 --> 00:21:12,798
Oh, and, listen,
thank you so much
for opening your eyes.
344
00:21:12,881 --> 00:21:15,089
-Vicente: (laughs)
It took a while.
-Like, that's just...
345
00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:17,381
-Piesse: It took a while.
-Hey, I don't care
346
00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:19,047
when anyone wakes up,
347
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:22,172
how they wake up,
as long as they wake up.
348
00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:25,923
-Is that right?
How did that work?
-Vicente: Well...
349
00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:27,923
-I don't-- Let me think.
-Piesse: I never felt
like enemies.
350
00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:30,255
-Vicente: I never felt--
-I felt like you were enemies.
351
00:21:30,339 --> 00:21:32,005
-(laughter)
-No, I, I understand,
352
00:21:32,089 --> 00:21:33,881
-and you should have,
absolutely.
-Toni Natalie: I'm sorry.
353
00:21:33,964 --> 00:21:35,422
-Yeah.
-No, no. You should have.
354
00:21:35,506 --> 00:21:37,631
-Not anymore!
-Natalie: Right.
355
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:38,964
It's good.
356
00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:41,297
It had to be very
difficult for him
357
00:21:41,381 --> 00:21:45,172
to not be able to
split you guys up.
So how hard did he try?
358
00:21:45,255 --> 00:21:47,547
-Piesse: Pretty trying.
Pretty hard after I left, yeah.
-Yeah, yeah. Right?
359
00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,964
Yeah. To me, you...
360
00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:52,673
You both leaving
was a big deal.
361
00:21:52,756 --> 00:21:56,631
Because someone
that close to him leaving,
362
00:21:56,714 --> 00:21:58,881
is a crack in his plate.
363
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:02,839
When he loses that control,
364
00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:04,673
he loses his mind.
365
00:22:06,631 --> 00:22:08,506
I have something for you.
366
00:22:10,381 --> 00:22:15,130
I'm looking for the letter
that I sent to Mark in 2010.
367
00:22:15,214 --> 00:22:17,255
-2010?
-Mm-hmm.
368
00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:19,297
-(keys clicking)
-Piesse: Right when I came in.
369
00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:20,798
-Yeah.
-Piesse: Wow.
370
00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,172
Vicente:
But I, I never received it
back then.
371
00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:24,547
So that was like
eight years ago.
372
00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:26,172
Natalie:
Mm-hmm.
373
00:22:26,255 --> 00:22:28,339
-Is that the one?
-Natalie:
Yeah, yeah. That's it.
374
00:22:28,422 --> 00:22:31,673
Um, it was in response
to a TED Talk
375
00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,547
that Mark did.
376
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:35,464
MY NAME IS MARK VICENTE.
377
00:22:35,547 --> 00:22:38,673
I'M A FILMMAKER FROM THE
APARTHEID ERA SOUTH AFRICA.
378
00:22:38,756 --> 00:22:41,047
I HAVE AS MY MENTOR
AN AMERICAN SCIENTIST
379
00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:43,756
AND PHILOSOPHER BY THE
NAME OF KEITH RANIERE.
380
00:22:44,589 --> 00:22:46,339
HE ASKED ME A QUESTION,
381
00:22:46,422 --> 00:22:48,130
AND THE QUESTION
HE ASKED ME WAS,
382
00:22:48,214 --> 00:22:50,464
"WHAT IS BRAVERY?"
383
00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:51,798
WHAT IS IT?
384
00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,339
Nobody's ever seen this letter.
385
00:22:56,422 --> 00:22:59,673
Natalie:
No. No. I just sent it to you.
386
00:22:59,756 --> 00:23:01,130
It says, "Mark,
387
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,964
"I think it's very important
that you temper
388
00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:06,255
"how much of your good deeds
you attribute to Keith Raniere.
389
00:23:06,339 --> 00:23:10,381
"By attributing your goodness
to Raniere, you give him credit.
390
00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:14,047
"And worse yet, credibility,
where none is due.
391
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,047
"Just look at how he cons people
392
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,839
"into believing that
they are doing good deeds,
393
00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:20,798
"when in fact,
all they're doing
is helping to make
394
00:23:20,881 --> 00:23:23,130
"his sordid lifestyle possible.
395
00:23:23,214 --> 00:23:25,756
"If only you and others
would be brave enough
396
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,714
"to truly look at his past
and his present,
397
00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:30,547
"and objectively,
you would see that
you've been conned.
398
00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:33,923
"Keith destroys people's lives
and will continue to do so
399
00:23:34,005 --> 00:23:36,839
"until people like yourself
are brave enough
400
00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:38,589
"to really look at
what he does.
401
00:23:38,673 --> 00:23:40,381
"And if you choose not to,
402
00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:42,631
then you must ask yourself why."
403
00:23:45,047 --> 00:23:46,255
You did, though.
404
00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:48,589
-Mm-hmm. Finally.
-You did wake up.
405
00:23:48,673 --> 00:23:49,673
Yeah, but you know what?
406
00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:51,089
-It doesn't matter.
-Seven years later.
407
00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:54,005
It doesn't matter, Mark.
It's that you woke up.
408
00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:55,839
Vicente:
Yeah, I wish I got it.
409
00:23:55,923 --> 00:23:57,130
Natalie:
You weren't ready.
410
00:23:57,214 --> 00:23:58,506
Vicente:
I wasn't ready.
411
00:24:21,881 --> 00:24:23,506
Fuckin' hell.
412
00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:25,714
Aah.
413
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,005
(turn signal clicking)
414
00:24:36,964 --> 00:24:39,506
This, this is our
old house right here.
415
00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,339
On top of the garage,
to the right,
416
00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:44,714
-the receivers and transmitters.
-Piesse: See,
they're watching us.
417
00:24:44,798 --> 00:24:46,839
-There's probably
a camera there, as well.
-They're watching us.
418
00:24:46,923 --> 00:24:49,005
They're probably
watching us, yeah.
419
00:24:49,089 --> 00:24:50,506
They have, like,
420
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:53,089
cameras all around
at the ESP-ians' houses.
421
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:55,547
So they're monitoring.
Someone's monitoring.
422
00:24:56,547 --> 00:24:59,381
Keith could be looking
at that in Mexico.
423
00:25:01,047 --> 00:25:02,673
Puts us in a little bit
of danger.
424
00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:04,422
If they have papers
ready for us,
425
00:25:04,506 --> 00:25:07,547
and they've been trying
to find us, they could
come and serve us.
426
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,631
'Cause we've been in hiding.
427
00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,589
This is dark right here.
428
00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:24,464
KEITH WAS TRYING TO SEE
HOW SUBMISSIVE I'D BE.
429
00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:27,506
AND HE'D CALL ME FOR WALKS
AT LIKE, 3:00 A.M.
430
00:25:27,589 --> 00:25:29,964
AND I JUST JUMPED
RIGHT OUT OF BED AND WENT,
431
00:25:30,047 --> 00:25:32,464
LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS AN HONOR.
432
00:26:24,631 --> 00:26:25,964
Piesse: OKAY.
433
00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:09,381
(Piesse crying)
434
00:27:19,714 --> 00:27:23,214
♪
435
00:27:27,631 --> 00:27:29,464
Piesse:
AT ONE POINT IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
436
00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:30,798
I WAS WALKING WITH HIM,
437
00:27:30,881 --> 00:27:33,964
AND HE WAS DOING
LITTLE TESTS WITH ME.
438
00:27:34,047 --> 00:27:38,589
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"WHY DON'T YOU RUN
TOWARDS THAT TREE?
439
00:27:38,673 --> 00:27:40,964
SO I STARTED--
I RAN TOWARDS THE TREE
AND I STOPPED.
440
00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,923
I DIDN'T MASH MY FACE UP.
441
00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:47,839
AND I CAME BACK AND HE SAID,
"INTERESTING HOW PROTECTIVE
OF YOUR BODY YOU ARE."
442
00:27:50,005 --> 00:27:51,798
AND I FELT ASHAMED.
443
00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:54,464
BUT I SAW THAT
AS A LIMITATION.
444
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,923
AND THEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT.
445
00:27:58,005 --> 00:28:01,964
GO AND LICK THAT PUDDLE.
YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT.
LICK THE PUDDLE."
446
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,923
SO I WENT AND
LICKED THE PUDDLE.
447
00:28:04,923 --> 00:28:07,297
I WAS TRYING TO LET DOWN MY,
MY GUARDS,
448
00:28:07,381 --> 00:28:09,297
AND ALL MY FEARS,
AND, YOU KNOW,
449
00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:12,130
TO OPEN MYSELF UP
TO HIS TEACHING.
450
00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:15,964
I THINK I FAILED
WHATEVER HIS TESTS WERE.
451
00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:26,255
Raniere:
OKAY, LET'S, LET'S JUST DO A...
452
00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:28,339
START IT.
LET'S SEE, HERE.
453
00:28:28,422 --> 00:28:30,422
-(laughter)
-Sorry. Could you just...
454
00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:33,089
-(singing on computer)
-I'm a little punchy,
that's all.
455
00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:36,047
Don't mind me.
(laughing)
456
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:39,297
(Emiliano Salinas speaking
Spanish on computer)
457
00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:44,422
This is history
of the movement, right?
458
00:28:45,756 --> 00:28:47,714
(Emiliano Salinas speaking
Spanish on computer)
459
00:28:47,798 --> 00:28:49,339
Who cares?
460
00:28:55,798 --> 00:28:57,506
-(snores)
-Vicente: Boring?
461
00:28:57,589 --> 00:29:00,964
Not boring, but not of the
emotional tenor you need.
462
00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:02,964
Raniere (over computer):
THE REASON WHY
I THINK YOU SHOULD IS...
463
00:29:03,047 --> 00:29:06,673
The thing that I say
about Mexico being
an optimal time,
464
00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,214
maybe that's something.
465
00:29:09,297 --> 00:29:13,506
This is very documentary,
intellectual...
466
00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:14,923
Raniere:
In this situation,
467
00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:19,589
I see there are
four basic philosophies
for which--
468
00:29:19,673 --> 00:29:22,089
Great. I don't give a shit.
469
00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:23,798
I don't even know
the word philosophy.
470
00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:25,923
I'm a typical person
watching this.
471
00:29:26,005 --> 00:29:27,756
(Emiliano Salinas speaking
Spanish on computer)
472
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,130
I mean, I--
Nothing against
being myself.
473
00:29:32,881 --> 00:29:35,297
Now, to, to put this
on pause a second.
474
00:29:35,381 --> 00:29:36,464
(video stops)
475
00:29:36,547 --> 00:29:38,130
So again,
I have to keep in mind,
476
00:29:38,214 --> 00:29:40,506
who's the typical person
that's seeing this?
477
00:29:40,589 --> 00:29:43,673
If you go to all of the wealthy,
educated people
478
00:29:43,756 --> 00:29:45,506
and they all see this film,
and whatever,
479
00:29:45,589 --> 00:29:47,172
you're not gonna change Mexico.
480
00:29:47,255 --> 00:29:48,756
It's not gonna work.
481
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,214
I don't-- Do you--
I don't think I need
to see much more.
482
00:29:51,297 --> 00:29:54,381
I think you need
to rethink this.
It's essential.
483
00:29:54,464 --> 00:29:56,089
I agree.
484
00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,089
-Okay.
-Thanks.
485
00:29:58,172 --> 00:30:00,130
-So I'll speak to you later.
-Yes, you will.
486
00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:02,047
-Later, later.
-I gotta think.
487
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:03,673
Woman:
This is funny.
488
00:30:03,756 --> 00:30:07,005
-(laughing)
-I knew I'd mess things up.
489
00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,005
Yeah, I knew you would, too.
490
00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:11,422
Vicente:
HE MADE PEOPLE FEEL
REALLY SHIT ABOUT THEMSELVES
491
00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:12,881
SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL
492
00:30:12,964 --> 00:30:16,005
THEY OWED SO MUCH MORE
THAN THEY WERE GIVING
493
00:30:18,005 --> 00:30:20,339
HE REALLY WORKED EMILIANO
494
00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:23,089
ABOUT THE POWER AND CORRUPTION
OF HIS FAMILY,
495
00:30:23,172 --> 00:30:27,130
AND USED THAT TO
TRY TO CONVINCE EMILIANO
THAT HE HAD A LOT TO DO
496
00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:28,673
TO FIX WHAT HIS FAMILY
HAD DONE,
497
00:30:28,756 --> 00:30:31,756
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID
WITH CLARE AND SARA, AS WELL.
498
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,089
Bye-bye.
499
00:30:33,172 --> 00:30:35,839
-(all chattering goodbyes)
-Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
500
00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:38,464
Vicente:
YOU FELT LIKE SHIT,
501
00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,130
AND HE WAS THE ONLY ONE
THAT COULD FIX IT.
502
00:30:50,923 --> 00:30:52,589
(shutter clicks)
503
00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:56,422
Vicente:
I mean, it's a long story.
504
00:30:58,255 --> 00:31:00,214
Vicente:
Um, 30-second version.
505
00:31:00,297 --> 00:31:02,464
Lived here for 12 years.
Was part of an organization
506
00:31:02,547 --> 00:31:04,089
that turned out to be
a very dangerous cult.
507
00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,714
Blew the whistle on
human trafficking
and sex trafficking.
508
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,005
Now there's a massive
federal investigation
underway.
509
00:31:09,089 --> 00:31:11,255
This is the first time
we're back in a year.
510
00:31:12,756 --> 00:31:14,464
Man:
Do you mind if I ask
what they're called?
511
00:31:14,547 --> 00:31:17,047
Vicente:
The umbrella company
is NXIVM. N-X-I-V-M.
512
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:18,673
-No way.
-Vicente: That's the one!
513
00:31:18,756 --> 00:31:21,756
I actually had a meeting
with them one time,
accidentally.
514
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,130
Right? Like, just that--
515
00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:50,255
And it's weird. I don't know.
516
00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:52,214
Piesse:
It starts off,
it feels like real answers.
517
00:31:52,297 --> 00:31:54,714
Like, I think the experience
you had was weird.
518
00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:56,631
But there are different ways
that, like--
519
00:31:56,714 --> 00:31:59,381
For us, we came in because
we had real, legitimate,
520
00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:01,547
good experiences with people.
521
00:32:01,631 --> 00:32:04,089
And it was people we trusted.
522
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,130
-So...
-Woman: Yeah.
No, I think it all starts
523
00:32:06,214 --> 00:32:08,673
with someone you know,
essentially, right?
524
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,214
No. No.
525
00:32:11,297 --> 00:32:13,673
I dragged her in.
526
00:32:13,756 --> 00:32:15,172
Yeah.
527
00:32:15,255 --> 00:32:17,589
Piesse:
I think the hardest thing
is the shame.
528
00:32:17,673 --> 00:32:21,339
It's easy to think that
people are stupid for
getting involved.
529
00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:24,089
And I don't think we're stupid.
530
00:32:24,172 --> 00:32:26,923
I think we're sensitive,
good people, and...
531
00:32:27,005 --> 00:32:28,506
It's just... it's hard.
532
00:32:30,673 --> 00:32:32,839
-Not anymore.
-Not anymore.
533
00:32:48,714 --> 00:32:51,589
(door clattering)
534
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:54,297
Vicente:
This is our life.
535
00:32:54,381 --> 00:32:57,756
Piesse:
Oh, geez. (laughs)
536
00:33:02,255 --> 00:33:04,381
It was a whole apartment.
537
00:33:10,714 --> 00:33:12,130
Vicente:
Look what I found.
538
00:33:12,214 --> 00:33:14,547
First one I had
as a camera assistant.
539
00:33:14,631 --> 00:33:16,798
-Wow.
-Piesse:
That's my action figure.
540
00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:18,756
I've got very long arms.
541
00:33:20,714 --> 00:33:22,506
I wrote this book.
542
00:33:23,422 --> 00:33:25,005
In another life.
543
00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,297
It's a lot of shit
to go through.
544
00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:32,881
I mean, I've got modules, here.
545
00:33:35,589 --> 00:33:38,923
"World Audience."
"Pain and Suffering."
546
00:33:40,381 --> 00:33:42,422
Oh, Shifter strategy!
547
00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:46,172
-Vicente:
Oh, you got "Shifter" there?
-Yep.
548
00:33:46,255 --> 00:33:49,339
Piesse:
"The term 'Shifter' does not
usually refer to a person,
549
00:33:49,422 --> 00:33:53,089
"but rather to a strategy
that is an unlimited form
of cheating.
550
00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:55,130
"HAVE YOU EVER
SEEN A MAGIC TRICK
551
00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,255
THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLE THAT
YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT
HOW IT WAS DONE?"
552
00:33:58,339 --> 00:34:00,297
-Oh, wait.
How do you do that?
-(clapping)
553
00:34:00,381 --> 00:34:02,506
(whistling noise)
554
00:34:02,589 --> 00:34:04,339
Piesse:
"Maybe you wanted to
watch it again and again
555
00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:05,506
"to try to figure it out.
556
00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:07,089
"Then one day, you learned
how it was done
557
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,422
"and you couldn't believe
that you were taken in by it.
558
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,339
It became so obvious to you."
559
00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:13,631
-Tails.
-(slaps)
560
00:34:13,714 --> 00:34:14,964
Tails.
561
00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:17,297
"We do not live in a world
that plays by the rules.
562
00:34:17,381 --> 00:34:19,422
If you and I are
playing a game..."
563
00:34:19,506 --> 00:34:21,381
And I'm cheating
and you're not,
564
00:34:21,464 --> 00:34:24,214
chances are, I'm gonna win.
Unless you discover my cheating.
565
00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:26,589
-Hand goes faster
than the quarter does.
-Oh!
566
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:29,047
-Right.
-(slaps)
567
00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:30,798
(clattering)
568
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,714
Ooh, what's this?
569
00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:37,381
"Suppressive: someone with
very low self-esteem.
570
00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,172
"Whenever this person
sees something good,
571
00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,130
"they want to suppress it
and destroy it.
572
00:34:41,214 --> 00:34:44,589
These people never have
anything nice to say
about anyone."
573
00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:50,339
AFTER I LEFT, I HEARD
THAT I WAS BEING CALLED
A SUPPRESSIVE.
574
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,673
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED
TO ASK QUESTIONS AND
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
575
00:34:54,547 --> 00:34:56,047
(sighs)
576
00:34:59,506 --> 00:35:03,339
IN ESP, WE LEARNED THAT
EVERYONE HAS SUPPRESSIVE
TENDENCIES.
577
00:35:03,422 --> 00:35:06,047
WE ALL HAVE
NARCISSISTIC TRAITS.
578
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,506
BUT A FULL SUPPRESSIVE
IS SOMEONE WHO,
579
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,673
LIKE, REALLY HAS BAD INTENT,
580
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:12,255
AND WANTS TO HURT PEOPLE.
581
00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:15,714
THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN
THE MODULE "THE FALL."
582
00:35:15,798 --> 00:35:18,005
Raniere:
THERE'S AN INTERESTING
BOOK WRITTEN, UH,
583
00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:20,673
poem, actually,
"Paradise Lost," by Milton.
584
00:35:20,756 --> 00:35:24,422
Written a while ago.
It's about the fall of Lucifer
585
00:35:24,506 --> 00:35:26,089
from the Garden of Eden.
586
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,506
At one point,
he's personifying Lucifer,
587
00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:31,756
and Lucifer looks up
and sees Heaven,
588
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,172
and then sees
Heaven's creation,
which is man.
589
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:39,589
And you know what
Lucifer's first reaction
to man is?
590
00:35:39,673 --> 00:35:42,381
He is amazed by man.
591
00:35:43,297 --> 00:35:46,964
He admires, even loves, man.
592
00:35:47,047 --> 00:35:49,005
One can interpret that.
593
00:35:49,089 --> 00:35:51,464
But then you know
what his reaction is?
594
00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:55,464
"That creature reminds me
of what I lost.
595
00:35:55,547 --> 00:35:58,339
"The perfection of that creature
596
00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:02,297
"brings such hate,
such memories,
597
00:36:02,381 --> 00:36:05,547
"such awful things in me.
I must destroy that.
598
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:09,464
I don't want to see Heaven
embodied anywhere."
599
00:36:09,547 --> 00:36:12,047
So he seeks to destroy.
600
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,381
♪
601
00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:18,798
Piesse:
SO, "THE FALL" WAS DESCRIBED
AS, LIKE, THIS DISCOVERY
602
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,172
THAT A PERSON CAN MAKE.
603
00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:25,130
THAT IF THEIR SELF-ESTEEM
GETS SUPER, SUPER LOW,
604
00:36:25,214 --> 00:36:27,506
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
A TON OF OPTIONS
605
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:29,172
IF THEY DESTROY
THEIR CONSCIENCE,
606
00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:31,464
AND BY HURTING PEOPLE
607
00:36:31,547 --> 00:36:33,255
OR BY DOING DESTRUCTIVE THINGS,
608
00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:36,089
THEY ACTUALLY CAN FEEL GOOD.
609
00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:39,089
This is what Vanguard terms
a Luciferian.
610
00:36:39,172 --> 00:36:42,923
It's the worst possible thing
that could ever occur,
611
00:36:43,005 --> 00:36:45,798
because Luciferians
look like you,
612
00:36:45,881 --> 00:36:47,798
and they seem to act like you,
613
00:36:47,881 --> 00:36:49,339
but they are nothing like you.
614
00:36:49,422 --> 00:36:51,464
It's like an aching.
They wake up in the morning,
615
00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:54,798
and they feel vengeful.
They feel bad.
616
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:57,881
And the only thing
that can relieve that gut,
that pain,
617
00:36:57,964 --> 00:37:01,964
is to go out and destroy
and to exercise power.
618
00:37:08,881 --> 00:37:10,798
(papers shuffling)
619
00:37:11,923 --> 00:37:13,756
Piesse:
KEITH DID SEEM TO HAVE,
620
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,381
LIKE, A FASCINATION
WITH PSYCHOPATHS,
621
00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,464
AND PEOPLE WHO WERE
REALLY EVIL,
622
00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:20,589
OR HAD, HAD NO CONSCIENCE.
623
00:37:21,964 --> 00:37:25,172
If those people of what
we call anti-conscience,
624
00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,881
the Luciferic people,
didn't exist,
625
00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:29,714
we'd have to invent them.
626
00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:31,547
They're very important for us.
627
00:37:31,631 --> 00:37:34,255
-Vicente: MM-HMM.
-Raniere:
IT'S A REAL PARTNERSHIP.
628
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,506
AND SUCH A PERSON
COULD EVEN ARGUE THAT
629
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,547
genetically,
they are superior.
630
00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,756
They're not burdened
by a conscience.
631
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,964
They're not burdened
by a system of honor.
632
00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:45,381
They're Machiavellian.
633
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,923
The sociopath,
who doesn't have
the circuitry in the brain,
634
00:37:48,005 --> 00:37:50,255
looks at everything
like a video game.
635
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:51,881
And because they
look at things like that,
636
00:37:51,964 --> 00:37:53,923
they have more
degrees of freedom
637
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,756
than an empathy-feeling person.
638
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,589
The truth of the matter is,
sociopaths have made us
what we were.
639
00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:01,798
If it weren't for sociopaths,
we wouldn't understand
compassion.
640
00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,506
Yeah.
641
00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:10,172
Piesse:
I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS
JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED
642
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:13,339
to help people not
become that way,
643
00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:15,422
and know what
they were looking at,
644
00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:18,798
so they could avoid being
hurt by people like that.
645
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:22,130
But I think ultimately,
what he was doing was just
646
00:38:22,214 --> 00:38:24,381
putting everything
in plain sight.
647
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:28,798
Vicente:
I HAD THE KIND OF LOVE
WITH KEITH THAT WAS UNEASY,
648
00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,047
BECAUSE I LOVED HIM
AND I WAS AFRAID OF HIM.
649
00:39:10,339 --> 00:39:12,589
(indistinct chatter)
650
00:39:16,339 --> 00:39:18,422
(sobbing)
651
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:21,214
It feels like, uh...
652
00:39:21,297 --> 00:39:24,130
I looked into Hell
and I got stuck there.
653
00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,255
I feel super fucked up.
654
00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:33,923
I READ THE DOCUMENT
ON MY COMPUTER.
655
00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:37,172
It was just called "V.doc."
656
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,631
The "V" was the nickname
657
00:39:39,714 --> 00:39:42,798
for Keith Raniere,
like Vanguard.
658
00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:46,339
I didn't know what it was,
and I just, like,
659
00:39:46,422 --> 00:39:50,005
opened it up and I read it,
and I was like, "What the fuck?"
660
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:53,214
And it's basically--
It's like a story idea...
661
00:39:53,297 --> 00:39:55,547
that he came up with.
662
00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:59,547
And, um, basically about,
like, a corporation
663
00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:01,297
where there's like a,
664
00:40:01,381 --> 00:40:03,255
a good guy that's running
the corporation,
665
00:40:03,339 --> 00:40:06,381
and there's like
this mentor character.
666
00:40:06,464 --> 00:40:10,923
And the good guy
kind of realizes that
there's a psychopath...
667
00:40:11,005 --> 00:40:14,923
that's in the system,
trying to destroy everything.
668
00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:18,756
And the punchline
in the end is that he
realizes that the mentor,
669
00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:22,631
who he thought was a good guy,
is actually the psychopath.
670
00:40:24,297 --> 00:40:26,130
And it just...
671
00:40:26,214 --> 00:40:30,089
I was fucking horrified,
'cause it's like, "You fucker.
672
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:32,089
"Ten years ago,
you showed me
673
00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:34,339
exactly what you were
gonna do to me."
674
00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:38,255
And I know this is
what he wanted,
675
00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:40,214
'cause this is fun.
676
00:40:40,297 --> 00:40:43,047
It was the best
practical joke ever.
677
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:06,714
Oh, Jesus. The hair!
678
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:17,255
Now that your hair's
out of the way,
it's much better.
679
00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:18,506
Vicente:
Not bad.
680
00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:25,673
You're not gonna do that,
are you?
681
00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:28,381
-(laughing)
-You didn't do that,
did you?
682
00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:46,589
How would you respond
to somebody
683
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,005
who believes that
the cause of violence
is poverty?
684
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:50,464
IT IS POVERTY.
685
00:41:50,547 --> 00:41:53,631
HOW DO YOU DEFINE POVERTY?
POVERTY OF WHAT?
686
00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:55,339
Let me just tie that together.
687
00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:56,673
-Are you rolling?
-Cameraman: I'm rolling.
688
00:41:56,756 --> 00:41:58,381
Vicente:
How was the exposure?
Good?
689
00:41:58,464 --> 00:42:00,297
-Cameraman: It was good.
-Vicente:
We're still rolling, guys?
690
00:42:00,381 --> 00:42:02,172
Okay. Let's go back
to that question,
691
00:42:02,255 --> 00:42:04,589
which was basically,
how would you respond
to somebody
692
00:42:04,673 --> 00:42:06,589
who says the cause
of violence is poverty?
693
00:42:06,673 --> 00:42:10,005
Well, uh, it is poverty,
actually.
694
00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:12,339
Uh, but a poverty of what?
695
00:42:12,422 --> 00:42:15,381
You're born into a rich family.
696
00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:17,881
You're not stealing anything,
per se.
697
00:42:17,964 --> 00:42:19,422
But you haven't
earned it.
698
00:42:19,506 --> 00:42:22,214
You're born into
a rich family.
699
00:42:22,297 --> 00:42:25,547
That means you haven't
stolen anything, per se.
700
00:42:25,631 --> 00:42:27,464
But you haven't
earned it, either.
701
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:29,297
But imagine a $10 bill.
702
00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:31,547
Do you know what
that $10 bill means?
703
00:42:31,631 --> 00:42:34,881
Some person in Mexico
is probably willing
to work, what?
704
00:42:34,964 --> 00:42:36,464
A day?
705
00:42:36,547 --> 00:42:40,214
So you hold the life
of the whole family
706
00:42:40,297 --> 00:42:42,381
in your hand when you hold...
707
00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:43,547
that $10 bill.
708
00:42:43,631 --> 00:42:46,297
AND YOU GO AND SPEND
A $10 BILL ON WHAT?
709
00:42:46,381 --> 00:42:48,047
(scoffs)
DRINKS AT A BAR?
710
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,881
That's what I think
of your family.
711
00:42:49,964 --> 00:42:51,547
That's what I think
of your efforts.
712
00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,547
That's what I think
of a whole day of your work.
713
00:42:53,631 --> 00:42:56,297
Just spend it on a drink
at a bar.
714
00:42:56,381 --> 00:42:58,214
I just piss it off.
715
00:42:58,297 --> 00:42:59,881
I piss on your family.
716
00:42:59,964 --> 00:43:02,506
I piss on your whole family.
717
00:43:07,964 --> 00:43:10,798
(indistinct chatter)
718
00:43:10,881 --> 00:43:13,381
Vicente:
TONI ZARATTINI HAD TO
RESHOOT EVERYTHING.
719
00:43:13,464 --> 00:43:16,631
ALL HIS STUFF AGAIN,
TO GIVE TRIBUTE TO RANIERE.
720
00:43:18,714 --> 00:43:22,214
(Zarattini speaking
in Spanish)
721
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:49,881
Done, done to him
for a long period of time?
722
00:43:50,631 --> 00:43:51,964
Okay.
723
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,589
Vicente:
I WAS A FUCKING SERVANT.
724
00:43:55,673 --> 00:43:57,381
I mean, I was a...
725
00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,381
I was obedient to him.
726
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:02,339
I know.
727
00:45:02,422 --> 00:45:05,422
I know he gets
pleasure in this.
728
00:45:06,923 --> 00:45:10,172
This is one of those things
where if you got stabbed
in the soul,
729
00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:13,631
and there's no way--
There's nothing that's
gonna make it better.
730
00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:16,255
And he's done that
to my friends.
731
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:17,923
He's done that to my wife.
732
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:21,839
And he knows he did.
733
00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:25,589
And that was his joy.
734
00:45:27,381 --> 00:45:29,464
♪
735
00:45:37,297 --> 00:45:39,297
Piesse:
THIS IS SILVER BAY,
736
00:45:39,381 --> 00:45:41,172
WHERE V WEEK WAS.
737
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,214
AND I DO HAVE SOME
REALLY NICE MEMORIES
738
00:45:44,297 --> 00:45:46,798
OF, LIKE, WALKING ACROSS
THE GRASS.
739
00:45:51,881 --> 00:45:56,798
♪ BREAKING DOWN
ALL THE CROOKED LINES ♪
740
00:45:57,756 --> 00:46:00,714
♪ UNRAVELING ♪
741
00:46:00,798 --> 00:46:02,923
Vicente:
THIS PLACE IN THE FALL
IS BEAUTIFUL.
742
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,631
I MEAN, THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN
IS JUST ORANGE,
743
00:46:04,714 --> 00:46:07,506
AND THERE'S A LAKE
AND THERE'S GREEN GRASS.
744
00:46:10,172 --> 00:46:15,005
♪ MEMORIES ARE FALLING
TO THE GROUND ♪
745
00:46:16,214 --> 00:46:18,839
♪ SPIRALING ♪
746
00:46:22,172 --> 00:46:25,756
♪ IT'S WHO YOU ♪
747
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,506
♪ WHO YOU ARE ♪
748
00:46:34,547 --> 00:46:38,756
♪ NOT WHO YOU ♪
749
00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:42,756
♪ BELIEVE IN ♪
750
00:46:46,964 --> 00:46:50,255
♪ IT'S WHO YOU ♪
751
00:46:50,339 --> 00:46:54,714
♪ WHO YOU ARE ♪
752
00:46:55,714 --> 00:46:58,756
(cheering and applause)
753
00:46:58,839 --> 00:47:03,297
♪ NOT WHO YOU ♪
754
00:47:03,381 --> 00:47:06,923
♪ BELIEVE IN ♪
755
00:47:13,381 --> 00:47:15,714
(distant birds chirping)
756
00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:23,422
(footsteps thudding)
757
00:47:28,005 --> 00:47:30,297
(phone jingling)
758
00:47:34,422 --> 00:47:36,339
Hey, boo, it's Sally.
Do you want to take it?
759
00:47:36,422 --> 00:47:38,839
-Piesse:
I'll go outside and call her.
-Here.
760
00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:40,381
Piesse: Okay.
761
00:47:40,464 --> 00:47:41,923
-No. What?
-No.
762
00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:45,964
-No!
-Fuck me.
763
00:47:51,047 --> 00:47:52,089
Oh, my God.
764
00:47:54,547 --> 00:47:55,756
Fuck.
765
00:47:57,172 --> 00:47:58,339
Fuck!
766
00:47:58,422 --> 00:47:59,964
-I'll tell you what, Sally.
-Put it in the thread.
767
00:48:00,047 --> 00:48:02,172
-Fuck me!
-I don't have my phone.
My phone's in the car.
768
00:48:02,255 --> 00:48:04,172
Can we pass this on
to the rest of the team?
769
00:48:04,255 --> 00:48:06,089
'Cause I want to let
the rebels know.
770
00:48:06,964 --> 00:48:10,339
(cheering, excited chatter)
771
00:48:10,839 --> 00:48:12,631
Oh, I wanna--
772
00:48:13,255 --> 00:48:15,464
(laughing excitedly)
773
00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:19,589
Oh, my God. I'm so happy.
774
00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:22,339
-(excited chatter over phone)
-Please let me see your face.
775
00:48:22,422 --> 00:48:25,756
OH, MY GOD. I'M SO
FUCKING EXCITED I JUST
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
776
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,923
-Catherine.
-Oxenberg (over phone):
I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK
777
00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:29,172
I'M SO EXCITED.
778
00:48:29,255 --> 00:48:31,756
Piesse: (laughing)
Love you, Catherine!
779
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,422
Guys, it's in the press.
780
00:48:33,506 --> 00:48:35,464
-It's in the press!
It's in the press.
-It's in the press.
781
00:48:35,547 --> 00:48:38,798
Zarattini:
There you are, darling.
On the front page.
782
00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,798
Alleged leader of
a secret society
783
00:48:40,881 --> 00:48:43,214
accused of branding women
has been arrested
784
00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,214
just hours ago.
785
00:48:44,297 --> 00:48:46,714
(jazz music playing)
786
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:49,756
(footsteps tapping)
787
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,339
(people conversing in Spanish)
788
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:11,005
Look at this picture
of Keith Raniere
789
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:13,506
in the back of the cop car.
790
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:16,589
(laughing)
HE LOOKS SO UNHAPPY.
791
00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:17,964
"The defendant, Keith Raniere,
792
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:19,923
"is scheduled to appear
in the northern district
of Texas
793
00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,089
"tomorrow at 2:00 p.m.
for arraignment.
794
00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:25,297
"The government
respectfully submits
this letter in anticipation
795
00:49:25,381 --> 00:49:28,714
"of the defendant's expected
removal to the eastern
district of New York,
796
00:49:28,798 --> 00:49:30,547
"AND IN SUPPORT OF THE
GOVERNMENT'S REQUEST
797
00:49:30,631 --> 00:49:32,130
FOR A PERMANENT ORDER
OF DETENTION."
798
00:49:32,214 --> 00:49:34,506
(laughs)
I can't believe
they're doing this.
799
00:49:34,589 --> 00:49:37,464
Vicente:
"THE DEFENDANT, WHO WAS LIVING
IN MEXICO PRIOR TO HIS ARREST,
800
00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:39,881
"and has access
to vast resources,
801
00:49:39,964 --> 00:49:42,673
"poses a significant
risk of flight.
802
00:49:42,756 --> 00:49:46,047
If released, he would pose
a danger to the community."
803
00:49:47,923 --> 00:49:49,881
-Piesse: They got him.
-They fuckin' got him.
804
00:49:49,964 --> 00:49:52,047
-(sniffles)
-(sighs)
805
00:49:57,798 --> 00:49:59,381
(exhales)
806
00:50:06,464 --> 00:50:09,381
Newscaster:
FBI CREWS RAID A HOME
IN WATERFORD
807
00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:10,923
WITH APPARENT CONNECTIONS
808
00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:13,047
-TO THE ALLEGED CULT
IN OUR AREA.
-(distant siren blaring)
809
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,381
Newscaster 2:
HEY, GOOD EVENING, CAMILLE.
WHILE FBI AGENTS
810
00:50:15,464 --> 00:50:18,047
CONTINUE TO RAID THE HOME
BEHIND ME HERE IN WATERFORD
811
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:19,589
ON OREGON TRAIL.
812
00:50:19,673 --> 00:50:21,506
THEY'VE BEEN HERE
ALL DAY LONG,
SINCE THIS MORNING.
813
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:25,547
Now, according to neighbors,
Nancy Salzman left the home
yesterday,
814
00:50:25,631 --> 00:50:28,547
after the leader of the company
she helped to start
815
00:50:28,631 --> 00:50:31,339
WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED
WITH SEX TRAFFICKING.
816
00:50:31,422 --> 00:50:33,506
Newscaster 3:
SO THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS
TO THIS THING,
817
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:35,881
BUT FIRST OF ALL,
THEY GOT THIS GUY,
UH, KEITH RANIERE
818
00:50:35,964 --> 00:50:38,506
DOWN IN MEXICO
AND THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK.
HE'S GOING TO BE EXTRADITED.
819
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:41,339
Newscaster 4:
NOW, RANIERE IS EXPECTED BACK
IN NEW YORK IN THE COMING DAYS.
820
00:50:41,422 --> 00:50:45,005
HE IS STILL UNDER THE CUSTODY
OF US MARSHALS.
821
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:46,839
Newscaster 5:
KEITH RANIERE IS NO LONGER
822
00:50:46,923 --> 00:50:49,339
AT THAT FEDERAL
TRANSFER CENTER IN OKLAHOMA.
823
00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:51,881
RIGHT NOW,
RANIERE IS ON A BUS
824
00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:55,214
ON HIS WAY BACK TO NEW YORK.
825
00:50:55,297 --> 00:50:57,673
Court clerk:
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A CRIMINAL
CAUSE FOR AN ARRAIGNMENT.
826
00:50:57,756 --> 00:51:01,339
18M132, UNITED STATES
VERSUS KEITH RANIERE.
827
00:51:01,422 --> 00:51:04,047
-Man: GOOD AFTERNOON.
-Judge: GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. RANIERE.
828
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:05,381
Raniere:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
829
00:51:05,464 --> 00:51:07,214
Judge:
HAVE YOU SEEN A COPY
OF THE COMPLAINT
830
00:51:07,297 --> 00:51:09,381
THAT HAS BEEN FILED
AGAINST YOU IN THIS CASE?
831
00:51:09,464 --> 00:51:11,964
-Raniere: YES, YOUR HONOR.
-Judge: OKAY.
832
00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,839
IN LIGHT OF THE NATURE
OF THE CHARGES
833
00:51:13,923 --> 00:51:16,631
AND THE, UH, EVIDENCE LAID OUT
IN THE GOVERNMENT'S LETTER,
834
00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:20,589
THE COURT IS GOING TO
ISSUE A PERMANENT
ORDER OF DETENTION.
835
00:51:20,673 --> 00:51:22,214
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,
MR. RANIERE?
836
00:51:22,297 --> 00:51:24,464
-Raniere: YES, YOUR HONOR.
-Judge: OKAY.
837
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,339
Marc Agnifilo:
Good afternoon, everybody.
838
00:51:30,422 --> 00:51:32,339
We just wanna say,
um,
839
00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,422
Mr. Raniere, uh, denies
these allegations.
840
00:51:35,506 --> 00:51:38,422
We are looking forward
to a swift resolution.
841
00:51:38,506 --> 00:51:40,547
We're not waiving
any speedy trial time.
842
00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:42,839
We don't think the government
can prove these things,
843
00:51:42,923 --> 00:51:45,089
and we look forward
to our day in court.
844
00:51:45,172 --> 00:51:46,756
Reporter:
Some people might say that, uh,
845
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,422
simply by virtue of the fact
that he fled to Mexico,
846
00:51:50,506 --> 00:51:53,172
if that's the right word,
that's-- those are the acts
of the guilty.
847
00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:54,839
Keith Raniere did not
flee to Mexico.
848
00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:57,589
We will explain what happened
at the appropriate time.
849
00:51:57,673 --> 00:52:00,339
Reporter:
HE'S MAINTAINING HIS
INNOCENCE. I MEAN,
850
00:52:00,422 --> 00:52:03,381
to hear him say that,
I mean, what comes to mind?
851
00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:06,381
He's a sociopath.
Of course he's going to
maintain his innocence.
852
00:52:06,464 --> 00:52:08,172
It's very hard for me
to be in this courtroom
853
00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,923
because my, my daughter
is a victim of this man.
854
00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:12,589
If you listen to what
he has to say,
855
00:52:12,673 --> 00:52:15,422
he claims, you know,
no one involved in this
is a victim.
856
00:52:15,506 --> 00:52:17,130
But, but India is,
in your mind.
857
00:52:17,214 --> 00:52:19,172
India-- They're--
Ultimately, they're all victims
858
00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:22,214
of, of Keith Raniere.
Ultimately.
859
00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:24,255
If you could say something
to your daughter right now?
860
00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:25,798
I love you. Come home.
861
00:52:25,881 --> 00:52:29,631
Agnifilo:
THIS IS A CASE ABOUT HOW
GROWN ADULTS
862
00:52:29,714 --> 00:52:31,589
are intimate with each other,
863
00:52:31,673 --> 00:52:34,798
and the choices
that grown adults make,
864
00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:37,172
in terms of how to
live their lives.
865
00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,506
THERE ARE WELL-KNOWN
GROUPS OF MEN
866
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:41,297
THAT BRAND THEMSELVES.
867
00:52:41,381 --> 00:52:43,005
IT'S UTTERLY UNCONTROVERSIAL.
868
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:45,547
BUT A GROUP OF WOMEN
DECIDE TO BRAND THEMSELVES,
869
00:52:45,631 --> 00:52:47,881
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,
WE ASSUME THAT
THEY'RE VICTIMS.
870
00:52:47,964 --> 00:52:51,547
Quite frankly, I think
this is something that
women very much can do
871
00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:54,214
on their own,
as a matter of
their own free choice.
872
00:52:54,297 --> 00:52:57,255
AND I, I ASSURE YOU,
I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY WOMEN.
873
00:52:57,339 --> 00:52:59,047
AND THEY'VE GIVEN ME
THEIR REASONS.
874
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,964
This was their choice.
875
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,506
Newscaster:
RANIERE NOT THE ONLY
MEMBER OF NXIVM...
876
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:05,255
Newscaster 2:
ALLISON MACK'S IN
A WORLD OF HURT.
877
00:53:05,339 --> 00:53:06,881
Newscaster 3:
SHE WAS ARRAIGNED
IN FEDERAL COURT
878
00:53:06,964 --> 00:53:09,798
ON CHARGES OF
SEX TRAFFICKING
AND FORCED LABOR.
879
00:53:09,881 --> 00:53:12,339
Reporter 1:
What do you say about
the charges against you?
880
00:53:12,422 --> 00:53:15,047
Reporter 2:
Were you involved in a sex cult?
881
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:18,172
Newscaster:
THE ALLEGED FINANCIAL BACKER
OF THE OPERATION,
882
00:53:18,255 --> 00:53:20,964
CLARE BRONFMAN,
WAS ALSO INDICTED TODAY.
883
00:53:21,047 --> 00:53:25,506
Newscaster 2:
I HAVE NEVER SEEN BAIL
SET AS HIGH AS IT WAS TODAY.
884
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:27,172
CLARE BRONFMAN COULD GO FREE.
885
00:53:27,255 --> 00:53:30,673
ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS POST
$100 MILLION.
886
00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,673
Reporter:
Do you have anything to say?
887
00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:34,339
Newscaster 3:
ARRESTED TODAY,
NANCY SALZMAN,
888
00:53:34,422 --> 00:53:36,506
THE CO-FOUNDER AND
PRESIDENT OF NXIVM,
889
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:38,422
AS WELL AS HER DAUGHTER,
LAUREN SALZMAN.
890
00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:40,798
Newscaster 4:
IF CONVICTED OF THESE,
UH, CHARGES,
891
00:53:40,881 --> 00:53:43,214
THEY'RE LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM
OF 20 YEARS.
892
00:53:43,297 --> 00:53:45,798
Reporter 1:
You co-founded this group,
Nancy.
893
00:53:45,881 --> 00:53:49,631
Reporter 2: Any comment?
Why do you think you were
misguided by Raniere?
894
00:53:55,798 --> 00:53:58,297
Nancy Salzman:
NOW, WHEN KEITH AND I
GOT TOGETHER,
895
00:53:58,381 --> 00:54:02,172
he asked me if I wanted him
to be my mentor.
896
00:54:02,255 --> 00:54:05,923
AND I SAID,
"I WOULD DO ANYTHING
TO BE YOUR STUDENT."
897
00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:08,214
AND HE SAID TO ME,
"NOT SO FAST.
898
00:54:08,297 --> 00:54:10,422
"IF YOU'RE GOING TO
WORK WITH ME,
899
00:54:10,506 --> 00:54:14,297
you have to work with me
for the rest of your life."
900
00:54:24,005 --> 00:54:27,130
Salzman:
LOYALTY IS GOOD
IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS,
901
00:54:27,214 --> 00:54:30,130
AND VERY BAD
IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
902
00:54:30,214 --> 00:54:32,756
WE TALK ABOUT
GETTING LOST IN THE MOVIE.
903
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:37,547
WE'RE KIND OF LOST
IN THE ROLE OF OUR LIFE.
904
00:54:37,631 --> 00:54:40,923
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO
IS STOP BELIEVING THAT
THAT'S WHO YOU ARE.
905
00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:43,130
THEN YOU CAN CHANGE
YOUR ROLE.
906
00:54:47,673 --> 00:54:51,547
♪
907
00:54:52,172 --> 00:54:54,506
(phone ringing)
908
00:54:58,339 --> 00:55:00,422
-(phone line clicks)
-Electronic voice:
THIS CALL IS FROM...
909
00:55:00,506 --> 00:55:01,964
Raniere:
KEITH RANIERE.
910
00:55:02,047 --> 00:55:04,923
Electronic voice (over phone):
AN INMATE AT A FEDERAL PRISON.
911
00:55:27,881 --> 00:55:31,422
♪
912
00:55:32,589 --> 00:55:36,506
("Dream State"
by Son Lux playing)
913
00:55:42,798 --> 00:55:45,172
♪ DAYS WE WERE YOUNG ♪
914
00:55:45,255 --> 00:55:47,464
♪ WE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF ♪
915
00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:50,756
♪ EVERYTHING WE COULD BE ♪
916
00:55:52,255 --> 00:55:54,214
♪ WE KNEW WE WERE ♪
917
00:55:54,297 --> 00:56:00,172
♪ IMPERVIOUS NO MATTER
HOW WE'D BLEED ♪
918
00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:03,547
♪ WE NEVER FOUGHT FOR BREATH ♪
919
00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:05,506
♪ PRIEST AND PROPHETESS ♪
920
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:10,255
♪ WE WERE NOTHING
WE WOULD DEFY ♪
921
00:56:11,422 --> 00:56:15,214
♪ OH, INVINCIBLE SKIN ♪
922
00:56:15,297 --> 00:56:18,297
♪ IT'S HOW WE ALL BEGIN ♪
923
00:56:19,756 --> 00:56:23,506
-♪ OH OH OH ♪
-♪ AWAKE, AWAKE ♪
924
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:27,297
-♪ OH OH ♪
-♪ THIS IS A DREAM STATE ♪
925
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:34,005
♪ OH OH OH, OH OH ♪
926
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:40,673
♪ OH OH OH... ♪