1 00:00:17,083 --> 00:00:19,834 ESP is a methodology 2 00:00:19,917 --> 00:00:24,250 for optimizing or enhancing human experience and behavior. 3 00:00:24,458 --> 00:00:26,500 Some of the questions that the coaches asked 4 00:00:26,917 --> 00:00:28,417 were just so spot on. 5 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:31,834 If you could have or be anything, 6 00:00:32,041 --> 00:00:33,792 what would that feel like? 7 00:00:34,417 --> 00:00:37,041 Raniere proposed this map of how everything worked. 8 00:00:37,458 --> 00:00:40,041 It was a unified theory to explain 9 00:00:40,125 --> 00:00:42,625 why people do what they do and how to change that. 10 00:00:43,083 --> 00:00:46,625 This is a code to understand myself. 11 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:51,208 It was like, holy shit, I can be the ideal version of myself, 12 00:00:51,291 --> 00:00:52,625 to write my own character. 13 00:00:52,709 --> 00:00:54,125 The deeper the commitment, 14 00:00:54,417 --> 00:00:57,291 the better and clearer life becomes. 15 00:00:57,792 --> 00:00:59,083 Hey, can you talk quick? 16 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:00,700 Bonnie got there first. 17 00:01:01,166 --> 00:01:03,806 If I look at those women, they're all not doing well. 18 00:01:03,875 --> 00:01:04,875 It took me longer. 19 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,500 There's a lot of things I'm starting to see 20 00:01:07,583 --> 00:01:09,125 about the organization. 21 00:01:09,709 --> 00:01:10,792 It's not right. 22 00:01:11,625 --> 00:01:13,542 I feel like my life and body was stolen. 23 00:01:14,166 --> 00:01:17,333 I want to have that life. I want to get it back. 24 00:01:43,583 --> 00:01:45,375 Hmm. 25 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:39,083 Okay, so I feel wounded right now. 26 00:03:39,166 --> 00:03:42,500 And I've been trying really hard to turn it around and stay positive, 27 00:03:42,583 --> 00:03:45,375 and, you know, trust that, 28 00:03:45,458 --> 00:03:47,417 that good always wins. 29 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:50,458 That, that light wins over darkness. 30 00:03:51,333 --> 00:03:54,709 But Keith head-fucked us, 31 00:03:54,792 --> 00:03:58,792 the girls that were in that group, specifically, in a way that... 32 00:03:58,875 --> 00:04:01,834 I don't know that everyone got head-fucked like that. 33 00:04:03,041 --> 00:04:06,792 So... So that's the daily struggle. 34 00:04:16,750 --> 00:04:17,750 Huh. 35 00:04:28,250 --> 00:04:30,166 - Well... - But, yeah. 36 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:42,834 Hmm. 37 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,709 When I first met Keith, 38 00:05:54,792 --> 00:05:57,333 my gut feeling was like... 39 00:05:57,417 --> 00:06:00,834 Ew! You know, something's a bit gross. 40 00:06:00,917 --> 00:06:03,125 He would kiss you on the lips. 41 00:06:04,583 --> 00:06:07,166 That's just kind of what he did. 42 00:06:07,250 --> 00:06:09,417 And everyone else did it, as well. 43 00:06:11,291 --> 00:06:14,792 But at the same time, I had really enjoyed the five-day 44 00:06:14,875 --> 00:06:17,875 and was very moved and he was the creator of that, 45 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:19,959 and so I need to like, let go of that, 46 00:06:20,041 --> 00:06:21,601 and just see what's right in front of me, 47 00:06:21,625 --> 00:06:23,750 which is a guy who's saying he wants to help me. 48 00:06:23,834 --> 00:06:27,375 If this guy's created all these things that are helping so many people, 49 00:06:27,458 --> 00:06:30,125 like, who cares about the kissing on the lips thing? 50 00:06:59,667 --> 00:07:01,166 Mm-hmm. 51 00:07:25,667 --> 00:07:29,417 Keith said to me, you know, you could be in Simply Human, 52 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:31,542 the singing group of ESP. 53 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:36,083 That's when I started spending a lot of time with Allison Mack. 54 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:40,625 Allison saw Keith as like a guru, a spiritual master, 55 00:07:40,709 --> 00:07:43,083 and she was very committed to the mission. 56 00:07:43,166 --> 00:07:46,000 If we actually understood compassion, 57 00:07:46,083 --> 00:07:47,667 the world would be a much better place. 58 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:51,500 Like, not even the world. Like .00 percent. 59 00:07:51,583 --> 00:07:54,041 Three percent of the world. If they could just have 60 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:56,166 this little dose of love, 61 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:58,000 everything would change. 62 00:07:58,083 --> 00:07:59,500 Everything. 63 00:07:59,583 --> 00:08:00,875 - Everything. - 64 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,041 Are you ready for promotions? 65 00:08:07,125 --> 00:08:10,625 Our proctors have met various ethical standards 66 00:08:10,709 --> 00:08:13,125 to qualify to enter into 67 00:08:13,208 --> 00:08:15,542 an independent contractor-ship 68 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:17,291 on one of our career paths. 69 00:08:17,375 --> 00:08:19,500 - You ready? - Yes. 70 00:08:19,583 --> 00:08:21,166 Bonnie Piesse. 71 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:27,542 Allison Mack. 72 00:08:32,041 --> 00:08:35,750 Our new one-stripe full proctors. 73 00:08:42,333 --> 00:08:44,333 I was amazed by the EM tech. 74 00:08:45,917 --> 00:08:47,375 Ta-da! - Man: Yeah! 75 00:08:47,458 --> 00:08:49,375 Yay! Thank you. 76 00:08:49,458 --> 00:08:50,750 - - Ow! 77 00:08:50,834 --> 00:08:52,709 Where you break a Pavlovian link 78 00:08:52,792 --> 00:08:55,750 to help a person overcome a limiting belief. 79 00:08:55,834 --> 00:08:59,667 And I wanted to do that right away. 80 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:02,834 But then you're told that you need to wait till you're a two-stripe coach 81 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:05,458 to even start learning the tech. 82 00:09:05,542 --> 00:09:09,500 Then you had to go out and practice. 83 00:09:09,583 --> 00:09:12,834 And so I, I practiced two and a half years. 84 00:09:12,917 --> 00:09:16,625 Like, 1,500 EMs to get to two stripe. 85 00:09:16,709 --> 00:09:19,000 I was told that I could earn money 86 00:09:19,083 --> 00:09:20,709 by the time I got to EM one. 87 00:09:20,792 --> 00:09:22,333 And by the time I got there, they said, 88 00:09:22,417 --> 00:09:24,208 "Oh, no, we've changed the standards." 89 00:09:24,291 --> 00:09:28,291 Now you have to pass, like, we're thinking, EM five. 90 00:09:28,375 --> 00:09:31,375 Financially, I was going deeper into debt. 91 00:09:31,458 --> 00:09:34,083 I was kind of just getting by 92 00:09:34,166 --> 00:09:35,875 going to "Star Wars" conventions, 93 00:09:35,959 --> 00:09:37,834 going and playing shows at colleges. 94 00:09:37,917 --> 00:09:40,166 Thank you so much! 95 00:09:40,250 --> 00:09:41,667 It wasn't working. 96 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:43,709 And Keith kept saying to us, 97 00:09:43,792 --> 00:09:46,417 "Give it a few months and you guys will be earning great money." 98 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:49,166 But instead, it felt like once I got to proctor, 99 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:52,250 suddenly I was more obligated to give for free. 100 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:55,250 And so you're strung along, practicing, practicing, practicing. 101 00:09:55,333 --> 00:10:00,250 Then Keith invited some of us into development teams. 102 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:04,750 And that's when the workload started to get heavier and heavier. 103 00:10:04,834 --> 00:10:07,250 A typical day during that time would be 104 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:09,125 up at five... 105 00:10:09,208 --> 00:10:11,542 shove some breakfast in my body, 106 00:10:11,625 --> 00:10:15,125 run a yoga class, get feedback from Keith, 107 00:10:15,208 --> 00:10:17,667 coach intensives, go and give free EMs. 108 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:21,458 As a facilitator, you couldn't really get up and even use the bathroom. 109 00:10:21,542 --> 00:10:22,959 I wouldn't have a lunch break. 110 00:10:23,041 --> 00:10:25,333 I would eat on the way in the car. 111 00:10:25,417 --> 00:10:28,125 Meetings, meetings, meetings. I was still trying to uphold 112 00:10:28,208 --> 00:10:29,750 my obligation to being a proctor. 113 00:10:29,834 --> 00:10:32,625 And then drive to Simply Human practice. 114 00:10:37,458 --> 00:10:39,792 And then I'd be on the phone practicing EMs 115 00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:41,625 until two or three. 116 00:10:41,709 --> 00:10:44,625 - - Up at five. 117 00:10:44,709 --> 00:10:47,792 So like, we were all running on no sleep. 118 00:10:47,875 --> 00:10:50,166 And even as you're working 23 hours a day, 119 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:53,208 you're getting feedback of like, "Why aren't you doing more?" 120 00:10:53,291 --> 00:10:56,000 What is comfort? Think about it for a second. 121 00:10:56,083 --> 00:10:57,458 It was about productivity, 122 00:10:57,542 --> 00:10:59,333 but it was about pushing through. 123 00:10:59,417 --> 00:11:02,125 Like, we were taught in everything 124 00:11:02,208 --> 00:11:04,417 that to have character you need to, like, 125 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,125 overcome your body feelings. 126 00:11:06,208 --> 00:11:09,625 And you don't need as much rest as you think and, like, it's... 127 00:11:09,709 --> 00:11:11,667 It shows you how strong you are. 128 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:13,709 Comfort is like an addiction, 129 00:11:13,792 --> 00:11:17,000 and when you find comfort, you try to be more comfortable, 130 00:11:17,083 --> 00:11:18,333 and just everything comfortable 131 00:11:18,417 --> 00:11:20,000 and we don't push our bodies too much, 132 00:11:20,083 --> 00:11:22,291 and comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, right? 133 00:11:22,375 --> 00:11:25,542 The more we indulge in this addiction, 134 00:11:25,625 --> 00:11:27,291 the more we have to lose. 135 00:11:27,375 --> 00:11:29,083 So it feels like tough love. 136 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:31,059 It feels like you've got these people who care about you, 137 00:11:31,083 --> 00:11:33,166 who are saying, "You need to do this. 138 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:34,834 "This is all for your own good. 139 00:11:34,917 --> 00:11:36,542 And for the good of the world." 140 00:11:36,625 --> 00:11:40,000 And you're even thankful. You're like, "Thank you for, for pushing me, 141 00:11:40,083 --> 00:11:42,375 and like, trying to help me get through this." 142 00:11:42,458 --> 00:11:45,208 So welcome to the world of discomfort. 143 00:11:45,291 --> 00:11:49,125 If you are not uncomfortable, you are not working on anything. 144 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:52,834 Your life should be a life of discomfort if you want to grow. 145 00:11:52,917 --> 00:11:56,583 If you don't want to grow, hey, sent shit away. Your choice. 146 00:11:59,041 --> 00:12:00,875 I found myself, like, 147 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:04,250 sitting in Clifton Park going, "What are, like... 148 00:12:04,333 --> 00:12:05,625 "How'd I get here? 149 00:12:07,625 --> 00:12:09,834 This is my life now." 150 00:12:09,917 --> 00:12:11,959 And that didn't feel good. 151 00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:16,000 And I was looking around at all these people 152 00:12:16,083 --> 00:12:17,709 that just didn't seem joyful to me. 153 00:12:17,792 --> 00:12:21,041 And I was like, I feel like everyone's being squished. 154 00:12:21,125 --> 00:12:24,250 And I started to see red flags with Allison. 155 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:27,500 I noticed that she was getting obsessed with her weight. 156 00:12:27,583 --> 00:12:29,709 Like, it started to feel weird. 157 00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:32,959 And I couldn't really put my finger on it. 158 00:12:33,041 --> 00:12:35,625 But it was just like a feeling that I had. 159 00:12:37,834 --> 00:12:39,834 The coaches didn't really deny intuition, 160 00:12:39,917 --> 00:12:42,458 but they led you to believe that your intuition 161 00:12:42,542 --> 00:12:44,583 was just a feeling, just a viscera, 162 00:12:44,667 --> 00:12:47,250 and that you needed to try to fix it. 163 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:50,458 Like, if you had a normal emotional reaction to something, 164 00:12:50,542 --> 00:12:53,500 they explained that it was just the world controlling you, 165 00:12:53,583 --> 00:12:56,875 and it was something that you needed to overcome and work through. 166 00:12:59,458 --> 00:13:01,917 We want to empower people, 167 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 particularly the way our will 168 00:13:06,083 --> 00:13:10,458 interfaces with our body, our neurology, our viscera. 169 00:13:10,542 --> 00:13:14,542 And we have these different techniques that help people, 170 00:13:14,625 --> 00:13:16,625 if you will, drive their vehicle better. 171 00:13:16,709 --> 00:13:18,667 In exo/eso, we were taught that 172 00:13:18,750 --> 00:13:20,291 just like you can stretch your body, 173 00:13:20,375 --> 00:13:23,583 you can also stretch your emotions and unlock feelings 174 00:13:23,667 --> 00:13:26,125 that are holding back your growth. 175 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:30,125 They give you exercises where you can literally open up the viscera, 176 00:13:30,208 --> 00:13:33,333 and expand it into, like, joy. 177 00:13:35,792 --> 00:13:39,000 Find yourself in a comfortable position. 178 00:13:40,125 --> 00:13:42,875 Maybe lay on the ground, and... 179 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:45,000 just relax your body. 180 00:13:46,333 --> 00:13:51,000 Now transition to the feeling of suffering. 181 00:13:52,208 --> 00:13:54,375 Think back to the last time you suffered. 182 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:56,500 Just feel that feeling. 183 00:13:58,250 --> 00:13:59,667 Now intensify it. 184 00:13:59,750 --> 00:14:01,834 Bring it up to the most intense 185 00:14:01,917 --> 00:14:04,000 that you can make the suffering. 186 00:14:04,083 --> 00:14:06,542 To 25, up to 50. 187 00:14:06,625 --> 00:14:09,333 Seventy-five. Push a little harder. 188 00:14:09,417 --> 00:14:11,250 All the way up to 100! 189 00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,417 One-hundred percent suffering! 190 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:14,500 Now switch. 191 00:14:16,417 --> 00:14:18,583 Bring up this opposite emotion. 192 00:14:18,667 --> 00:14:20,083 What is it for you? 193 00:14:20,166 --> 00:14:21,917 What do you call it? 194 00:14:23,709 --> 00:14:26,000 Now start to intensify that even further. 195 00:14:26,083 --> 00:14:28,458 Bring it all the way up to the 100 of it. 196 00:14:30,208 --> 00:14:33,125 One-hundred percent of the opposite emotion. 197 00:14:33,208 --> 00:14:35,333 What is this? 198 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:38,542 What do you call it? Have you felt it before? 199 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:43,041 And now you're going to switch back to suffering. 200 00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:44,834 Go ahead. Switch. 201 00:14:47,041 --> 00:14:48,583 Were you able to bring it back up? 202 00:14:48,667 --> 00:14:50,917 And now switch. 203 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,792 How do you feel now that you've stretched, 204 00:14:53,875 --> 00:14:57,500 and explored your internal emotional experience? 205 00:14:59,792 --> 00:15:01,875 And that's great, in a lot of ways. 206 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:03,709 It feels powerful. 207 00:15:03,792 --> 00:15:05,583 It feels like you can go out 208 00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:07,834 and achieve the things that you want. 209 00:15:07,917 --> 00:15:10,125 And that's in your hands. 210 00:15:12,709 --> 00:15:16,500 But looking back, I can see how that's really misused. 211 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:19,834 It's a way to get you to ignore your gut feelings. 212 00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:27,709 I had to tread really carefully. 213 00:15:27,792 --> 00:15:30,291 Like I couldn't really say what I thought to Mark. 214 00:15:30,375 --> 00:15:32,083 He was very defensive. 215 00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:35,834 And he'd fight back and say, "You have to stop." 216 00:15:36,917 --> 00:15:39,000 But I couldn't stop. 217 00:15:49,417 --> 00:15:50,625 Mm-hmm. 218 00:16:03,542 --> 00:16:05,208 Mm-hmm. 219 00:16:14,333 --> 00:16:16,500 Keith used to teach some of us that 220 00:16:16,583 --> 00:16:18,375 on the path to enlightenment, 221 00:16:18,458 --> 00:16:20,917 you'd reach this barren wasteland. 222 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,667 Like, you reach a space of nothing 223 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:26,375 before you find this ultimate joy. 224 00:16:26,458 --> 00:16:30,125 Joy feels like your, your cells are gonna burst apart. 225 00:16:30,208 --> 00:16:31,667 As a matter of fact, 226 00:16:31,750 --> 00:16:34,542 the more pain we feel, the more we feel, 227 00:16:34,625 --> 00:16:37,500 uh, alive in a body. 228 00:16:37,583 --> 00:16:40,166 My body was starting to fall apart. 229 00:16:42,375 --> 00:16:45,041 And I was having blood sugar crashes. 230 00:16:50,125 --> 00:16:52,041 And I felt like I couldn't breathe 231 00:16:52,125 --> 00:16:54,208 when I was in the classrooms. 232 00:16:55,417 --> 00:16:58,583 And then Mark encouraged me to talk to Keith. 233 00:17:07,083 --> 00:17:08,875 - Yep. - Well... 234 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:14,417 Um-hmm. 235 00:17:32,542 --> 00:17:34,125 - You know? - Mm-hmm. 236 00:17:47,208 --> 00:17:49,750 Right. 237 00:17:53,875 --> 00:17:55,125 And it just... 238 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:04,000 No. 239 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,667 Usually, I had just obeyed. 240 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:49,166 But at that point, my intuition was, like, screaming at me. 241 00:18:49,250 --> 00:18:51,875 It was like, "You have to get out." 242 00:18:56,458 --> 00:18:59,625 Before I left, Allison invited me for a walk. 243 00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:01,291 She was kind of at her skinniest. 244 00:19:01,375 --> 00:19:04,291 She looked like her back bones were sticking out. 245 00:19:04,375 --> 00:19:06,834 But I confronted her and I said, "I think you're sick. 246 00:19:07,667 --> 00:19:09,125 "You're not eating. 247 00:19:09,208 --> 00:19:11,291 "Like, there's a problem, and you need to address it, 248 00:19:11,375 --> 00:19:12,625 and start eating." 249 00:19:12,709 --> 00:19:16,375 And she said, "Well, Keith is measuring my calories. 250 00:19:16,458 --> 00:19:20,208 And he says as long as I'm having my period, I'm fine." 251 00:19:20,291 --> 00:19:22,458 And then she said that she'd made 252 00:19:22,542 --> 00:19:24,709 a lifetime vow to Keith. 253 00:19:25,375 --> 00:19:27,625 And I think she said it was 254 00:19:27,709 --> 00:19:29,709 a vow of devotion. 255 00:19:29,792 --> 00:19:33,625 And she lifted up her shirt and showed me her belly chain. 256 00:19:33,709 --> 00:19:38,166 She said, "And this is to symbolize the vow that I've made." 257 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:40,709 I certainly didn't understand it. 258 00:19:40,792 --> 00:19:42,583 But I didn't see the darkness in it 259 00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:44,750 that was really there at that point. 260 00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,458 I reached out to someone who had quit 261 00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:56,250 and who had kind of dropped hints 262 00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:58,917 that they knew what was going on. 263 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,792 And I felt like they knew something that I didn't. 264 00:20:02,458 --> 00:20:03,792 I just said, like, 265 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:06,000 "Would you trust me enough to tell me what you see? 266 00:20:06,083 --> 00:20:09,291 "'Cause I don't intellectually know what I'm looking at. 267 00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:10,959 I know what I'm feeling." 268 00:20:11,959 --> 00:20:14,834 And she said, "Well, 269 00:20:14,917 --> 00:20:17,250 in a high-control group..." 270 00:20:17,333 --> 00:20:19,226 And I don't even remember the rest of the sentence, 271 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:22,333 but, like, when I heard high-control group... 272 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:25,875 It... I didn't know what it was, 273 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:28,291 but it just doesn't sound very good. 274 00:20:39,041 --> 00:20:41,500 And I actually asked, "Do you think Keith knows? 275 00:20:41,583 --> 00:20:43,083 Like, maybe we need to tell him." 276 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:47,750 And she was like, "I think it's deliberately designed that way." 277 00:20:47,834 --> 00:20:50,959 And so I called him and I said, you know, "Here's what I see. 278 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:53,917 "I see that all your companies are... 279 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,417 "built on abuse, obligation, guilt, 280 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,667 and coercion. I can't support it." 281 00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,750 And he said... 282 00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:03,667 "Oh, I think, you know, 283 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:06,458 "there are some issues that you never worked. 284 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,500 "You seem to have a... 285 00:21:09,583 --> 00:21:12,000 a commitment to being a victim." 286 00:21:14,083 --> 00:21:16,542 We have a fight or flight mechanism, 287 00:21:16,625 --> 00:21:19,375 which triggers this thing we call fear. 288 00:21:19,458 --> 00:21:20,750 When we're fearful, 289 00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:23,500 when we're making decisions based on fear, 290 00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:24,875 we are at effect. 291 00:21:24,959 --> 00:21:27,583 It's the lowest state of existence. 292 00:21:27,667 --> 00:21:30,750 As you make your decision based on fear, 293 00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:33,458 now it's not your psyche controlling, 294 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:35,625 it's the body and the world 295 00:21:35,709 --> 00:21:37,458 controlling your psyche. 296 00:21:37,542 --> 00:21:40,250 Now we have joy. What is joy? 297 00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:43,792 And what's the opposite of joy? We talk about joy and misery. 298 00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:47,000 When someone is miserable, 299 00:21:47,083 --> 00:21:48,959 they feel small. 300 00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:51,291 Misery is constrictive. 301 00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:53,417 It's self-oriented, 302 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,333 and it's destructive. 303 00:21:55,417 --> 00:21:57,875 You know, it's involved with suffering, 304 00:21:57,959 --> 00:21:59,959 self-pity, things along those lines, 305 00:22:00,041 --> 00:22:01,750 or malice. 306 00:22:09,375 --> 00:22:10,500 No. 307 00:22:10,583 --> 00:22:12,125 So, I lost my opportunity 308 00:22:12,208 --> 00:22:14,667 to talk to people freely, because... 309 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:17,875 I think a lot of people saw it as... 310 00:22:17,959 --> 00:22:20,750 dishonorable and weak that I left. 311 00:22:21,542 --> 00:22:23,542 I feel unsure of myself. 312 00:22:23,625 --> 00:22:27,667 We were taught you need to push through. 313 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:29,792 It shows you how strong you are. 314 00:22:29,875 --> 00:22:32,583 Like, maybe I really am a bad person 315 00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:36,125 for questioning and being disloyal and leaving. 316 00:22:36,208 --> 00:22:38,291 Maybe I'm the problem. 317 00:22:41,834 --> 00:22:43,518 Hi. You've called Bonnie. 318 00:22:43,542 --> 00:22:46,000 Leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 319 00:23:23,709 --> 00:23:26,229 "Finally, I wish to remain on good terms with the company 320 00:23:26,291 --> 00:23:30,125 and have no ethical or unresolved issues with NXIVM and ESP." 321 00:23:44,291 --> 00:23:45,667 Mm-hmm. 322 00:23:51,041 --> 00:23:52,458 Yeah. 323 00:24:25,959 --> 00:24:28,083 I finally opened up with a friend. 324 00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:31,792 I just, like, let it all out, and told her everything. 325 00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,959 And she said, "You know, you might need to break up with him. 326 00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:37,041 You might need to leave him." 327 00:24:39,792 --> 00:24:41,625 It's so sad that a lot of relationships 328 00:24:41,709 --> 00:24:44,041 go from being great in the beginning, 329 00:24:44,125 --> 00:24:46,291 to there's all this resentment and anger, 330 00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:48,583 and they just seem to get kind of more and more bitter. 331 00:24:48,667 --> 00:24:51,667 This helps you resolve those things, so that you can 332 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,208 make your relationship get better. 333 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:58,208 This marriage is one of the most successful things in my life. 334 00:24:58,291 --> 00:24:59,792 For certain. 335 00:24:59,875 --> 00:25:02,333 I believe we have a really successful relationship, 336 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:04,041 and it didn't just happen. 337 00:25:39,125 --> 00:25:40,768 Hi. You've called Bonnie. 338 00:25:40,792 --> 00:25:43,625 Leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 339 00:26:44,834 --> 00:26:46,917 So you want to interview me or something, or...? 340 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,500 Light bulbs out. 341 00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:52,166 Okay, so you're gonna sit there. 342 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:54,959 I'll interview you, and film you? 343 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,875 So, 344 00:26:59,959 --> 00:27:02,166 um, Keith, in the time that I spent with you, 345 00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,250 it's clear that you have a whole series of ideas 346 00:27:04,333 --> 00:27:05,709 that are really amazing. 347 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,458 Well, first of all, 348 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:09,834 I, I don't know if the ideas are amazing or not. 349 00:27:09,917 --> 00:27:11,542 I... 350 00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:14,750 My assumption is that I, I have some, 351 00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:17,125 uh, relatively strong ideas, 352 00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:19,875 uh, that I communicate pretty well. 353 00:27:29,208 --> 00:27:30,542 My name is Mark Vicente. 354 00:27:30,625 --> 00:27:34,458 I'm a filmmaker from the apartheid era South Africa. 355 00:27:34,542 --> 00:27:37,125 George Lucas had as his mentor Joseph Campbell, 356 00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:39,166 an American mythologist. 357 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:41,583 I have as my mentor an American scientist 358 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:43,917 and philosopher by the name of Keith Raniere. 359 00:27:44,709 --> 00:27:46,125 He asked me a question, 360 00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:48,000 and the question he asked me was, 361 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:49,875 "What is bravery?" 362 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:52,250 What does that mean? 363 00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:54,375 Well, there's a dictionary definition. 364 00:27:54,458 --> 00:27:58,417 But in the deepest sense, it means to be able to bear pain. 365 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,417 You know, you look at all the people who 366 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,000 are allegedly enlightened. 367 00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:04,583 All the different gurus, whether it be the Buddha, 368 00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:06,333 the Jesus, or, or Gandhi. 369 00:28:06,417 --> 00:28:08,792 They're not just sitting on a pillow. 370 00:28:08,875 --> 00:28:11,000 They're not just being fed grapes 371 00:28:11,083 --> 00:28:12,500 and doing nothing, you know? 372 00:28:12,583 --> 00:28:15,125 And struggle, there's nothing negative about it. 373 00:28:15,208 --> 00:28:17,125 It's the nature of life. 374 00:28:17,208 --> 00:28:20,291 When I first met Keith, he said to me, 375 00:28:20,375 --> 00:28:22,142 "You know, it'd be good if you just moved here 376 00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:25,667 so we could, like, have more of these conversations." 377 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,125 Albany, anybody? Albany? 378 00:28:31,125 --> 00:28:32,765 It wasn't really in Albany proper. 379 00:28:32,834 --> 00:28:35,583 It was more north in Clifton Park. 380 00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:40,125 Everybody knew, pretty much, where everybody lived. 381 00:28:40,208 --> 00:28:42,792 So you'd always run into people. 382 00:28:42,875 --> 00:28:45,083 And in between, we're just the civilians. 383 00:28:45,166 --> 00:28:47,125 You know, those people who just live there. 384 00:28:48,166 --> 00:28:49,375 And then at night, 385 00:28:49,458 --> 00:28:51,917 you know, you were expected to go to volleyball. 386 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,166 It was like, you know, midnight to 7:00 a.m. 387 00:28:56,458 --> 00:28:59,375 And around, um, 10:30 or 11, 388 00:28:59,458 --> 00:29:01,959 the A team and Keith Raniere would show up. 389 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:11,291 Help, help. Help! 390 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:13,458 Why volleyball? 391 00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:16,834 I didn't understand volleyball at first. 392 00:29:16,917 --> 00:29:19,917 But it became a big social event. 393 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,458 When intensives were going on, 394 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,333 you could have like 50, 60 people in the bleachers, 395 00:29:24,417 --> 00:29:26,583 basically just watching, 396 00:29:26,667 --> 00:29:30,000 EM-ing each other, whispering to each other, talking, 397 00:29:30,083 --> 00:29:31,750 and then in between games, 398 00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:33,750 everybody would gaggle around him, you know, 399 00:29:33,834 --> 00:29:35,768 and ask him question after question after question, 400 00:29:35,792 --> 00:29:37,643 and we'd stand there for like half an hour sometimes, 401 00:29:37,667 --> 00:29:39,959 cooling down while he was talking, 402 00:29:40,041 --> 00:29:42,000 and then we'd play again. 403 00:30:05,709 --> 00:30:07,500 You know, he was like the rock star. 404 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,542 Is that okay? 405 00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:19,792 And in the end, it was all about 406 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,595 - seeing him. - ...tries to handle the ball. 407 00:30:23,792 --> 00:30:26,709 That's what everybody said. It's a chance to see him. 408 00:30:27,875 --> 00:30:30,959 I basically try every day to reach him. 409 00:30:31,041 --> 00:30:34,125 We're gonna... Let's talk about projects. Let's talk about things. 410 00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:36,875 And it's very frustrating, because he won't respond. 411 00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:38,810 And I go to volleyball, like, three times a week, 412 00:30:38,834 --> 00:30:40,768 and I'm talking to him and say, "When are we gonna start? 413 00:30:40,792 --> 00:30:42,917 When are we gonna start? When are we gonna start?" 414 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,917 And it's like he just... 415 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,291 Almost like he forgot. 416 00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:49,333 And so I'm in this state of complete insecurity. 417 00:30:49,417 --> 00:30:51,291 Like, I just uprooted my life. 418 00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:53,083 Six weeks go by. 419 00:30:53,625 --> 00:30:54,875 On my birthday, 420 00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:57,583 seven o'clock in the morning, Keith Raniere calls me. 421 00:30:57,667 --> 00:31:00,375 And he says, "Hey, you wanna take a walk?" I mean... 422 00:31:00,458 --> 00:31:02,333 And I'm like fuckin' ready. 423 00:31:02,417 --> 00:31:03,875 You know, I'm there. 424 00:31:03,959 --> 00:31:05,119 I've got my recorder with me, 425 00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:06,583 I've got a little note pad with me, 426 00:31:06,667 --> 00:31:08,625 and I'm so excited. 427 00:31:09,709 --> 00:31:11,375 He's gonna work with me now. 428 00:31:24,875 --> 00:31:26,333 Uh-huh. 429 00:31:30,875 --> 00:31:32,667 Nancy said to me, "You know what? 430 00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:34,976 "It would be great if you'd document Keith now that you're here, 431 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,959 'cause you know how to shoot and everything. Could you document him?" 432 00:31:41,458 --> 00:31:43,125 Mark is trying to film me. 433 00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:46,208 I'll just keep on asking and shooting until someone says no. 434 00:31:46,291 --> 00:31:49,583 Okay. Very cool idea. 435 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:51,226 - You guys ready? - Mm-hmm. 436 00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:54,041 I started shooting, like, in 2005, 437 00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:56,750 and then a number of people said to me they'd like to learn. 438 00:31:56,834 --> 00:31:57,875 Switch it to "camera." 439 00:31:57,959 --> 00:32:00,458 So I began this program of like teaching people, 440 00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:02,625 you know, how to shoot, how to do sound, 441 00:32:02,709 --> 00:32:04,250 you know, how to edit. 442 00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:07,542 - Cool! - 443 00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:09,250 And it grew to people, 444 00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:10,875 you know, recording with audio, 445 00:32:10,959 --> 00:32:13,250 you had people shooting with video. 446 00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:15,375 And then you had, like, people that were basically 447 00:32:15,458 --> 00:32:18,625 writing down what he said and categorizing it, you know. 448 00:32:18,709 --> 00:32:21,208 It was, it was a whole operation constantly. 449 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:26,792 Good. 450 00:32:26,875 --> 00:32:28,351 And he just said, like, it's important to 451 00:32:28,375 --> 00:32:31,083 document this because, you know, we're talking about 452 00:32:31,166 --> 00:32:32,709 the generations in the future. 453 00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:34,417 Like, at some point in the future, 454 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:36,709 my hope is this work that we're doing 455 00:32:36,792 --> 00:32:39,000 will end up in universities, will end up in books. 456 00:32:39,083 --> 00:32:41,643 And wouldn't it be wonderful if the world could look back and say, 457 00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:43,500 "Oh, that's what happened." 458 00:32:43,583 --> 00:32:47,125 I take walks with him at like, 2:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., 4:00 a.m. 459 00:32:47,208 --> 00:32:50,667 And when we're done, I go home and I transcribe the entire thing. 460 00:32:52,792 --> 00:32:54,125 Uh-huh. 461 00:33:00,166 --> 00:33:02,875 Mm-hmm. 462 00:33:09,375 --> 00:33:12,709 Mm-hmm. 463 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:22,291 And in that moment, I remember thinking, 464 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,709 this guy fuckin' knows me like nobody has ever known me. 465 00:33:24,792 --> 00:33:27,458 Like, nobody in my family knows me. He knows me. 466 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,375 And I'm astounded, 467 00:33:30,458 --> 00:33:32,226 and I remember going... I didn't sleep much that night, 468 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,267 and I was writing in journals, and writing about, like, 469 00:33:34,291 --> 00:33:37,458 all these things, and, and how much that it impacted me. 470 00:33:37,542 --> 00:33:40,375 And how much I yearned to be this... 471 00:33:40,458 --> 00:33:42,458 I yearned to be like him. 472 00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:52,625 Mm-hmm. 473 00:33:55,083 --> 00:33:56,125 Okay. 474 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,125 Right. 475 00:34:14,125 --> 00:34:16,834 Yes. 476 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,291 Mm-hmm. 477 00:34:26,709 --> 00:34:28,291 Right. 478 00:34:29,792 --> 00:34:30,792 Right. 479 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:33,667 Right. 480 00:34:38,792 --> 00:34:41,583 Mm-hmm. 481 00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:52,291 Right. 482 00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:04,000 Right. 483 00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:09,625 Over time, these ideas evolved into a screenplay 484 00:35:09,709 --> 00:35:11,333 called "Carbon Crimes." 485 00:35:12,417 --> 00:35:13,583 It follows Joe, 486 00:35:13,667 --> 00:35:16,333 an idealistic aide to a powerful Senator. 487 00:35:16,417 --> 00:35:19,250 So, Joe, who's spirited and impulsive. 488 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:20,583 Wants to prove he's good. 489 00:35:20,667 --> 00:35:23,333 Passionate and hopeful. Struggles with lying. 490 00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:25,208 He meets Erik Einhaert, 491 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:29,542 a world-renowned scientist, professor, and humanitarian. 492 00:35:29,625 --> 00:35:32,083 Yes. 493 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,417 Yep. 494 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:44,375 Mm-hmm. 495 00:35:44,458 --> 00:35:46,542 Einhaert takes Joe under his wing, 496 00:35:46,625 --> 00:35:49,917 and challenges Joe to question all of his assumptions 497 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,875 about the entire universe. 498 00:35:53,083 --> 00:35:54,542 So he gave me all the ideas. 499 00:35:54,625 --> 00:35:56,101 And part of it was cool, 'cause it was like, 500 00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:57,250 "Oh, now I'm like Nancy." 501 00:35:57,333 --> 00:35:59,458 Like, he's downloading all the ideas to me 502 00:35:59,542 --> 00:36:01,351 and I'm gonna, like, turn this into something, you know. 503 00:36:01,375 --> 00:36:02,685 So she would turn it into modules, 504 00:36:02,709 --> 00:36:04,229 and I was gonna turn this into a movie. 505 00:36:10,834 --> 00:36:13,083 Mm-hmm. 506 00:36:18,166 --> 00:36:19,583 I'm in heaven. 507 00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:22,291 We're doing an EM in a movie, 508 00:36:22,375 --> 00:36:24,625 which is all I ever wanted to do. 509 00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:37,333 I suppose I was like this 510 00:36:37,417 --> 00:36:39,250 very eager student. 511 00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:41,542 So for seven years of my life, 512 00:36:41,625 --> 00:36:44,166 I call him every single day. 513 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:51,166 Hello. 514 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:52,875 - Hi. - Hi! 515 00:36:52,959 --> 00:36:54,083 How's it going there? 516 00:37:10,625 --> 00:37:11,750 Correct. 517 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:14,959 Right. Is that... 518 00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:37,542 Yeah. 519 00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:42,000 I felt that there was a closeness. 520 00:37:42,083 --> 00:37:45,250 You know, the highest IQ in the world is telling you 521 00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:46,959 that you're the one. 522 00:37:47,041 --> 00:37:49,291 You're smart enough to get me. 523 00:37:49,375 --> 00:37:52,583 That's... I don't know. It could be pretty intoxicating. 524 00:37:52,667 --> 00:37:54,917 Nancy said to me, "It's extraordinary, 525 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,184 this relationship you have with Keith." And I was like, "Why?" 526 00:37:57,208 --> 00:37:59,417 She says, "'Cause you're his only male friend." 527 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:01,351 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 528 00:38:03,834 --> 00:38:05,714 I have the Vanguard. I have the Prefect. 529 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:08,333 - I have Sarah, my business partner. - Namaste. 530 00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:09,976 I have all these people that, like, 531 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,680 anytime I need anything, I'll say, "Listen. 532 00:38:11,709 --> 00:38:13,429 Hey, can I talk something through with you?" 533 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,083 They'll say, "Of course you can. Let's go for a walk." You know? 534 00:38:20,291 --> 00:38:22,458 Actually, let's have everybody stand up for a second. 535 00:38:22,542 --> 00:38:24,792 ...For the first time in my life, 536 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:26,667 I had the feeling of like, 537 00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:28,792 I am with me, and I love me, 538 00:38:28,875 --> 00:38:30,115 and I remember just being like, 539 00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:32,375 "Oh, my God. This is what self-love is." 540 00:38:33,792 --> 00:38:35,333 This feeling is the thing 541 00:38:35,417 --> 00:38:38,333 every single human being in the world wants. 542 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:40,583 It's priceless. 543 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:17,583 Right. 544 00:39:19,709 --> 00:39:21,149 You know, like... 545 00:39:30,417 --> 00:39:33,125 Yeah. Yeah. 546 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,250 When Bonnie leaves in 2017, 547 00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:58,667 I'm like, "What the fuck am I gonna do?" 548 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:02,417 If I took in what she said, 549 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,625 it was, it was pretty horrifying. 550 00:40:05,417 --> 00:40:07,625 Because I'd have to question... 551 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:09,250 Questioning him 552 00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:12,208 felt like I'd question everything about myself. 553 00:40:12,291 --> 00:40:14,125 And I wanted her just to stop. 554 00:40:14,208 --> 00:40:16,448 Like, "Can we stop? Can we not talk about this right now? 555 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,542 Can we, can we talk about it some other time?" 556 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,208 And she was insistent. 557 00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:22,291 I was like, constantly, 558 00:40:22,375 --> 00:40:24,055 every day, trying to get him to understand. 559 00:40:24,125 --> 00:40:25,417 Putting evidence in front of him, 560 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,834 begging him to listen, begging him to read cult books. 561 00:40:29,917 --> 00:40:32,250 He begged me to not keep pushing him, 562 00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:35,458 and to let him have his own process with it. 563 00:40:35,542 --> 00:40:38,125 But he was still talking to Keith. 564 00:40:38,208 --> 00:40:42,250 And I was like, "Fuck." You know, like, all... 565 00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:45,625 All the work, all the progress that I was... 566 00:40:45,709 --> 00:40:47,792 trying to make with him would then be, like, 567 00:40:47,875 --> 00:40:49,333 flushed down the toilet. 568 00:41:58,792 --> 00:42:00,834 You know what Bonnie said to me? 569 00:42:00,917 --> 00:42:04,041 Like, "What will it take?" I said, "Data." 570 00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:10,166 Soon after I left, 571 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:13,333 another person left and came to LA, 572 00:42:13,417 --> 00:42:15,667 and we started talking about everything. 573 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:18,667 She gave me information about things that she'd seen 574 00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:20,583 that were very concerning. 575 00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:24,500 And she agreed to talk to Mark. 576 00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:47,750 Mm-hmm. 577 00:44:04,792 --> 00:44:07,542 I'm like, "What the fuck is going on here?" 578 00:44:08,166 --> 00:44:09,458 There's something wrong. 579 00:44:09,542 --> 00:44:13,083 Keith is amazing, but something is fucked up. 580 00:44:26,959 --> 00:44:27,959 Mm! 581 00:44:36,417 --> 00:44:37,500 Mm-hmm. 582 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:41,291 Mm-hmm. 583 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:49,166 Mm-hmm. 584 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:51,458 Mm-hmm. 585 00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:52,625 Mm-hmm. 586 00:45:08,083 --> 00:45:09,458 Yep. 587 00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:12,291 Yep. 588 00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:20,208 It was very hard, 589 00:45:20,291 --> 00:45:23,208 because you're going up against the leader. 590 00:45:23,291 --> 00:45:26,625 And in this case, a leader who had spent 12 years 591 00:45:26,709 --> 00:45:29,834 working his way into my psyche. 592 00:46:24,166 --> 00:46:25,500 Yep. 593 00:46:25,583 --> 00:46:27,834 - Boom. There you go. Yeah. - Oh, yeah. That felt good. 594 00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:29,792 Right. 595 00:46:55,375 --> 00:46:56,542 Um... 596 00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:09,208 Yes, yeah. 597 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:33,500 I... I... 598 00:47:39,583 --> 00:47:42,041 You feel like you're going crazy. 599 00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,792 He got my best friend to basically spy on me. 600 00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:48,333 Every single thing that I was suspecting him of, 601 00:47:48,417 --> 00:47:50,125 I kept on explaining it away, 602 00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:52,041 like, maybe there's a good reason. 603 00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:53,667 That day I allowed myself 604 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:55,917 to like question, what if there's not? 605 00:48:02,125 --> 00:48:05,333 Uh-huh. 606 00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:08,625 Okay. 607 00:48:13,875 --> 00:48:15,625 Mm-hmm. 608 00:48:16,959 --> 00:48:18,125 Uh-huh. 609 00:48:19,291 --> 00:48:20,542 Mm-hmm. 610 00:50:22,792 --> 00:50:24,583 He's lying to me. 611 00:50:32,417 --> 00:50:34,458 Twelve years of spending time with him, 612 00:50:34,542 --> 00:50:37,875 thinking that every single thing that comes out of his mouth 613 00:50:37,959 --> 00:50:39,917 is honest. 614 00:50:47,458 --> 00:50:49,417 Wait, okay, so that's a lie. 615 00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:52,583 What if it's not the only one? 616 00:50:53,542 --> 00:50:57,458 It was like there was a crack in the dam. 617 00:51:01,291 --> 00:51:03,625 You collapse in a puddle... 618 00:51:04,625 --> 00:51:06,625 of, of horror and shock. 619 00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:09,792 That's waking up. 620 00:51:09,875 --> 00:51:12,208 It's a very, very deep and disturbing 621 00:51:12,291 --> 00:51:14,000 dark night of the soul. 622 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,250 We went for a hike, 623 00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,041 and he said to me, "My eyes are open, 624 00:51:22,125 --> 00:51:25,125 and I want you to know that I am loyal to you above them." 625 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:29,417 And for the first time, he started asking me questions 626 00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:31,208 about what I thought. 627 00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,768 Hello, this is Mark. 628 00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:39,792 Please leave a message after the beep. 629 00:52:11,041 --> 00:52:12,667 "Dear Keith, Nancy, 630 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:14,458 "and members of the executive board, 631 00:52:14,542 --> 00:52:17,583 "as I've expressed in many different ways over the last years, 632 00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:18,959 "I've had strong aspirations 633 00:52:19,041 --> 00:52:21,834 "to return my focus and effort to my career. 634 00:52:22,875 --> 00:52:25,417 "As such, I am resigning from ESP. 635 00:52:26,166 --> 00:52:27,326 "With respect to the centers, 636 00:52:27,375 --> 00:52:29,625 "I will be discussing my transition with Sarah, 637 00:52:29,709 --> 00:52:31,792 "and I will apprise the Greens of which coaches 638 00:52:31,875 --> 00:52:33,125 need to be transferred." 639 00:52:34,792 --> 00:52:37,667 It was the point of no return. 640 00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:40,250 And I now understand I have to tell Sarah. 641 00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:48,667 Mm-hmm. 642 00:54:52,458 --> 00:54:54,208 When we switched off the recording, 643 00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:57,875 Sarah tells me that she is in this thing, 644 00:54:57,959 --> 00:55:00,917 that it's called DOS, and then she tells me, 645 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,792 um, "They branded me as well." 646 00:55:02,875 --> 00:55:04,667 And I remember going, something like, "What? 647 00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:06,583 They b... They did what?" 648 00:55:10,125 --> 00:55:12,250 What the fuck? 649 00:56:40,858 --> 00:56:43,858 Subtitles Diego Moraes(oakislandtk) www.opensubtitles.org