1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:20,882 [film reel clicking] 4 00:00:25,611 --> 00:00:28,856 [soft classical music] 5 00:00:39,315 --> 00:00:41,903 [upbeat music] 6 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:26,672 - I was one of those kids, who back in the 80s, 7 00:01:26,707 --> 00:01:29,261 was always in the video store, always renting. 8 00:01:29,296 --> 00:01:32,437 When I wasn't at school, I was in the video store 9 00:01:32,471 --> 00:01:37,476 and I never realized in the 1990s I got my chance 10 00:01:37,925 --> 00:01:40,341 to be the movie geek who worked behind the counter. 11 00:01:40,376 --> 00:01:43,827 I was the guy who people came to for recommendations. 12 00:01:45,243 --> 00:01:48,556 Because the 1990s gave way to the straight to video star. 13 00:01:48,591 --> 00:01:50,558 Like your Don "The Dragon' Wilson, 14 00:01:50,593 --> 00:01:52,836 your Gary Daniels. 15 00:01:52,871 --> 00:01:56,426 Jean-Claude Van Damme, well he was a continuation of, 16 00:01:56,461 --> 00:02:01,431 and for me the 1990s represented, 17 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:03,744 the straight to video side of things, 18 00:02:03,778 --> 00:02:05,711 a chance to just forget about everything. 19 00:02:05,746 --> 00:02:08,197 Just sit back, relax, enjoy, 20 00:02:08,231 --> 00:02:10,164 take your mind off your cares of the world 21 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:11,579 and rent a movie. 22 00:02:11,614 --> 00:02:14,582 [eerie tense music] 23 00:03:19,785 --> 00:03:22,098 [upbeat classical music] 24 00:03:22,132 --> 00:03:23,686 - [Narrator] Meet Wesley. 25 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,066 - He's such a good boy. 26 00:03:25,101 --> 00:03:26,861 - [Narrator] He's a model student. 27 00:03:26,896 --> 00:03:27,966 - What's the matter, retard? 28 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,174 Can't you talk? 29 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:30,934 - [Narrator] But when it comes to girls. 30 00:03:30,969 --> 00:03:32,177 - Have you even talked to her? 31 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:34,006 - [Narrator] He's got a lot to learn. 32 00:03:34,041 --> 00:03:37,044 - Studies have shown that guys get much further with girls 33 00:03:37,078 --> 00:03:38,287 after they talk. 34 00:03:38,321 --> 00:03:42,256 - [Narrator] It's time he got his education. 35 00:03:42,291 --> 00:03:43,464 - I'm Ms. Xenobia. 36 00:03:43,499 --> 00:03:45,052 The new biology teacher. 37 00:03:45,086 --> 00:03:46,847 - Holy mother of God! 38 00:03:47,848 --> 00:03:49,263 - [Narrator] Dr. Alien. 39 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:54,303 - It was Dr. Alien that Charles Band took to Paramount 40 00:03:55,787 --> 00:03:59,722 and said, "We spent one point two million making this film." 41 00:03:59,756 --> 00:04:02,207 I think it actually cost about 350,000 42 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,002 but it was, that's what he said 43 00:04:04,036 --> 00:04:06,901 because they were a huge studio with huge overhead, 44 00:04:06,936 --> 00:04:08,455 they were still blown away. 45 00:04:08,489 --> 00:04:11,147 We can't do anything of this quality 46 00:04:11,181 --> 00:04:12,597 for that amount of money. 47 00:04:12,631 --> 00:04:16,532 So that's what basically started the deal 48 00:04:16,566 --> 00:04:20,398 for Full Moon Pictures with Paramount. 49 00:04:20,432 --> 00:04:22,848 - Full Moon movies were like huge to me. 50 00:04:22,883 --> 00:04:24,609 Those were some of my favorite movies 51 00:04:24,643 --> 00:04:25,817 and still are. 52 00:04:25,851 --> 00:04:27,577 I mean, what set those apart 53 00:04:27,612 --> 00:04:29,821 is you'd go to the video store, you'd rent those, 54 00:04:29,855 --> 00:04:31,823 and it was your first glimpse into the idea 55 00:04:31,857 --> 00:04:34,688 of special features on those VHS movies. 56 00:04:34,722 --> 00:04:36,724 I mean Subspecies, Puppet Master, 57 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:38,347 all of those, Trancers. 58 00:04:38,381 --> 00:04:40,521 You'd watch them and at the end of the VHS 59 00:04:40,556 --> 00:04:42,627 after the credits, they'd have behind the scenes footage 60 00:04:42,661 --> 00:04:45,319 or a mail order catalog to get like replicas. 61 00:04:45,354 --> 00:04:47,321 I mean, that blew my mind 62 00:04:47,356 --> 00:04:48,805 and Full Moon was always that studio 63 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:50,738 that was like off their rocker. 64 00:04:50,773 --> 00:04:52,775 You had no idea what you were getting into. 65 00:04:52,809 --> 00:04:54,949 You know, growing up, I was really into skateboarding 66 00:04:54,984 --> 00:04:57,573 and punk rock because I just, I wasn't one of the cool kids. 67 00:04:57,607 --> 00:04:58,953 Horror movies and that kind 68 00:04:58,988 --> 00:05:00,438 of stuff was the only thing I had. 69 00:05:00,472 --> 00:05:01,887 I didn't have many friends. 70 00:05:01,922 --> 00:05:04,614 So, in a lot of ways Blade, Torch, Jack Death, 71 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:06,167 those were my friends. 72 00:05:06,202 --> 00:05:08,860 I'd go home from school and I'd hang out with those guys 73 00:05:08,894 --> 00:05:11,656 every time I put in, you know, a Full Moon movie. 74 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:12,933 [mechanical whirring] 75 00:05:12,967 --> 00:05:14,728 - I'd written the first draft 76 00:05:14,762 --> 00:05:17,524 of the original Puppet Master for Charlie. 77 00:05:18,697 --> 00:05:22,114 What happened was they brought David Schmoeller 78 00:05:22,149 --> 00:05:23,599 in to direct the film 79 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:28,189 and while they were not gonna go Director's Guild, 80 00:05:28,224 --> 00:05:30,399 they were willing to go Writer's Guild, 81 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:32,918 which apparently Schmoeller was a member of. 82 00:05:32,953 --> 00:05:34,368 So he rewrote the script 83 00:05:34,403 --> 00:05:37,129 and he did a fairly major rewrite on it. 84 00:05:37,164 --> 00:05:40,063 There's still some similarities to my script, 85 00:05:40,098 --> 00:05:42,238 including the fact that there's puppets in it. 86 00:05:42,272 --> 00:05:47,277 - Charlie, what he wanted to do with Puppet Master III 87 00:05:48,417 --> 00:05:50,384 is he wanted a prequel to the first movie 88 00:05:50,419 --> 00:05:54,664 and going back to whether it was gonna be a period piece 89 00:05:54,699 --> 00:05:56,217 to World War II. 90 00:05:56,252 --> 00:05:58,530 Of course, the first film is, starts with a period, 91 00:05:58,565 --> 00:06:00,429 you know, kind of the bookends and all that stuff 92 00:06:00,463 --> 00:06:02,016 with William Hickey and everything. 93 00:06:02,051 --> 00:06:03,708 So, I was like, okay. 94 00:06:03,742 --> 00:06:06,814 So I sat down and started really thinking 95 00:06:06,849 --> 00:06:09,472 about this whole thing as if we did a World War II 96 00:06:09,507 --> 00:06:11,750 and that's when I came up with a whole thing 97 00:06:11,785 --> 00:06:13,545 and David just embraced it like crazy 98 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:15,409 and said, Let's make this, you know, 99 00:06:15,444 --> 00:06:17,515 Where Eagles Dare and Night of the Generals 100 00:06:17,549 --> 00:06:22,554 and all those great pinewood Nazi movies of the 1960s. 101 00:06:23,728 --> 00:06:24,936 David would come over to my place, 102 00:06:24,970 --> 00:06:26,558 we'd sit there and we would watch these films, 103 00:06:26,593 --> 00:06:28,905 or I'd be, load him up with cassettes. 104 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:31,391 He got completely totally into it. 105 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:33,427 Got in the attitude and everything else 106 00:06:33,462 --> 00:06:36,085 but the big stumbling block was 107 00:06:36,119 --> 00:06:37,914 is I was writing the script, is we were supposed 108 00:06:37,949 --> 00:06:39,157 to shoot in Romania 109 00:06:39,191 --> 00:06:41,193 and it was gonna be one of the very first ones 110 00:06:41,228 --> 00:06:43,299 to be done over there. 111 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:44,714 There was some sort of a problem. 112 00:06:44,749 --> 00:06:47,407 So, suddenly that was no longer an option 113 00:06:47,441 --> 00:06:49,374 and we're like going, well what are we going to do? 114 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,583 Because of course to do a World War II film there 115 00:06:51,618 --> 00:06:54,724 and what have you, is a whole different bag of beans 116 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:58,176 than doing it here and it was John Schoweiler 117 00:06:58,210 --> 00:06:59,936 and DeCoteau who got together 118 00:06:59,971 --> 00:07:02,076 and they were the ones who not only convinced Charlie 119 00:07:02,111 --> 00:07:05,045 but made the deal for us to make the movie at Universal 120 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:07,841 which was just sensational. 121 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:12,086 So, we all, you know, we moved into the Universal back lot. 122 00:07:12,121 --> 00:07:13,743 Had more visitors, probably, 123 00:07:13,778 --> 00:07:15,745 than any other Full Moon production 124 00:07:15,780 --> 00:07:17,022 just 'cause everybody wanted to go 125 00:07:17,057 --> 00:07:18,955 'cause we shooting in Frankenstein village. 126 00:07:18,990 --> 00:07:21,958 So everybody wanted to be there and every, 127 00:07:21,993 --> 00:07:23,408 it was great. 128 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,341 We had a ball and of course the film 129 00:07:25,375 --> 00:07:27,032 has this tremendous look. 130 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:31,036 With David and his collaborationwith Adolfo Bartoli 131 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:32,900 because here we have, you know, 132 00:07:32,935 --> 00:07:35,800 a true studio back lot and a back lot 133 00:07:35,834 --> 00:07:38,975 with this history that related directly 134 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:40,114 to the movie we were making. 135 00:07:40,149 --> 00:07:42,013 So, yeah that was really cool. 136 00:07:42,047 --> 00:07:43,911 - You said you could devise a drug 137 00:07:43,946 --> 00:07:46,051 so it would give a dead soldier movement. 138 00:07:46,086 --> 00:07:48,433 [screaming] 139 00:07:51,988 --> 00:07:54,508 [gunshots] 140 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:57,718 - [Narrator] But Andre Toulon didn't need wires. 141 00:07:59,858 --> 00:08:01,066 To make death move. 142 00:08:02,723 --> 00:08:05,277 - This is exactly what we foundin the marionette theater. 143 00:08:05,312 --> 00:08:09,419 - And this will solve all your problems, doctor? 144 00:08:09,454 --> 00:08:11,180 - If I can get to Toulon 145 00:08:11,214 --> 00:08:13,976 I know we can prolong the soldiers new life 146 00:08:14,010 --> 00:08:15,287 but I must get to him. 147 00:08:15,322 --> 00:08:17,738 [tense music] 148 00:08:19,291 --> 00:08:23,157 - Herr Toulon has escaped your custody. 149 00:08:23,192 --> 00:08:25,608 - We are very close to finding him. 150 00:08:25,643 --> 00:08:27,921 - Nothing will stop me from seeking you out 151 00:08:27,955 --> 00:08:31,096 and making each one of you to your knees 152 00:08:31,131 --> 00:08:33,927 for what you have done and you will cry me mercy. 153 00:08:33,961 --> 00:08:35,653 - [Narrator] Puppet Master III. 154 00:08:35,687 --> 00:08:38,414 - Completely and totally and it is the best one. 155 00:08:38,448 --> 00:08:40,623 No, it's not a fan favorite. 156 00:08:40,658 --> 00:08:42,660 - No, it is. - Let's, let's. 157 00:08:42,694 --> 00:08:44,938 No, I know it is, but let's really cut chop 158 00:08:44,972 --> 00:08:46,318 the rest of the heads off. 159 00:08:46,353 --> 00:08:47,872 Come on, it's the best one. 160 00:08:47,906 --> 00:08:50,530 - Some years later they were doing four and five 161 00:08:50,564 --> 00:08:53,843 and my friend, Mike Deak, was running a shop 162 00:08:53,878 --> 00:08:56,881 for Charlie called Alchemy and Wayne Toth 163 00:08:56,915 --> 00:08:58,641 came up with the cool idea 164 00:08:58,676 --> 00:09:02,334 of making this demon puppet. 165 00:09:02,369 --> 00:09:05,130 It was a like a walk around Bunraku puppet. 166 00:09:05,165 --> 00:09:06,787 I thought it was a cool idea. 167 00:09:06,822 --> 00:09:09,445 Basically, the operator was concealed 168 00:09:09,479 --> 00:09:13,311 inside a double layered cape behind the person. 169 00:09:13,345 --> 00:09:17,039 There was a linkage so the puppet was taller 170 00:09:17,073 --> 00:09:18,627 than a person. 171 00:09:18,661 --> 00:09:21,664 So there was a linkage from the operator's head 172 00:09:21,699 --> 00:09:24,667 to the neck and head of the character 173 00:09:24,702 --> 00:09:26,876 I think he had some medallion on his chest 174 00:09:26,911 --> 00:09:30,708 that the performer could actually see out of. 175 00:09:30,742 --> 00:09:34,125 The arms had rods coming out of the elbows 176 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:36,058 and of course there was drapey fabric on there 177 00:09:36,092 --> 00:09:38,474 so you didn't see the puppeteer's arms. 178 00:09:38,508 --> 00:09:41,304 There was something mounting it to the body 179 00:09:41,339 --> 00:09:42,961 to hold over all weight 180 00:09:42,996 --> 00:09:48,001 and then the performer's feet fit behind the thing 181 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:50,348 so it could actually walk 182 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,282 and this thing, of course, had this impossible anatomy, 183 00:09:53,316 --> 00:09:57,079 very skeletal looking, very sinewy things, 184 00:09:57,113 --> 00:09:59,288 it couldn't possibly be a guy in a suit. 185 00:09:59,322 --> 00:10:00,841 - I got involved with Full Moon 186 00:10:01,808 --> 00:10:04,465 on Puppet Master VI and V. 187 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,675 - [Narrator] When Ricky Meyers tapped 188 00:10:06,709 --> 00:10:09,747 into the secret of artificial life. 189 00:10:11,196 --> 00:10:12,404 - It's the formula. 190 00:10:12,439 --> 00:10:14,510 - [Narrator] He became the master 191 00:10:14,544 --> 00:10:17,720 of Andre Toulon's puppets. 192 00:10:17,755 --> 00:10:19,964 - The future is yours [mumbling]. 193 00:10:19,998 --> 00:10:22,863 Guard and protect it and keep it from evil. 194 00:10:22,898 --> 00:10:26,418 - [Narrator] Now, his newfound power 195 00:10:26,453 --> 00:10:28,697 will make him a pawn. 196 00:10:28,731 --> 00:10:31,009 - And you say there are seven of these puppets 197 00:10:31,044 --> 00:10:32,183 still at the hotel? 198 00:10:32,217 --> 00:10:34,634 - [Narrator] Between a corporation. 199 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:36,118 - [Man] Now once we're inside, 200 00:10:36,152 --> 00:10:38,154 what we're looking for is six string less puppets. 201 00:10:38,189 --> 00:10:40,916 [glass shattering] 202 00:10:40,950 --> 00:10:44,505 - [Narrator] And a demon from hell. 203 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:46,162 Puppet Master 5. 204 00:10:47,336 --> 00:10:48,889 - It was gonna be one movie for Paramount 205 00:10:48,924 --> 00:10:50,960 and then they decided no, we're gonna, 206 00:10:50,995 --> 00:10:53,687 it's not gonna be a theatrical for Paramount. 207 00:10:53,722 --> 00:10:55,033 We're gonna pare the budgets down 208 00:10:55,068 --> 00:10:57,587 and do them kinda split the script in half 209 00:10:57,622 --> 00:10:59,037 and do two movies. 210 00:10:59,072 --> 00:11:02,420 So he got kind of two movies for the price of none 211 00:11:04,525 --> 00:11:09,496 and those, because they were Paramount negative pickups, 212 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:13,327 I guess, or they were under a Paramount deal, 213 00:11:13,362 --> 00:11:15,329 they got very good distribution, 214 00:11:15,364 --> 00:11:17,435 video wise, around the world. 215 00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:18,816 They were a hoot to make 216 00:11:18,850 --> 00:11:22,682 and it was, the script had already existed 217 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:24,166 for the theatrical movie 218 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,205 but it had been changed a lot through the, 219 00:11:30,068 --> 00:11:31,518 I think there are five credited, 220 00:11:31,552 --> 00:11:33,175 six counting Charlie, credited writers on the two movies 221 00:11:33,209 --> 00:11:36,247 and we all threw our hand in 222 00:11:36,281 --> 00:11:41,286 and the scripts, both scripts were incoherent mess. 223 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:45,532 So the only way you can have any fun with them 224 00:11:45,566 --> 00:11:49,191 is just to go nuts as much as you could 225 00:11:49,225 --> 00:11:52,677 within the context of the production. 226 00:11:52,712 --> 00:11:55,231 - When Charlie asked me if I would come back 227 00:11:55,266 --> 00:11:57,095 and start writing movies again. 228 00:11:57,130 --> 00:12:01,755 I said look, I really would want to direct again, 229 00:12:01,790 --> 00:12:03,792 or direct period, I should say. 230 00:12:03,826 --> 00:12:06,829 I had been asking him about this back in the Empire days 231 00:12:06,864 --> 00:12:09,314 and in fact, I had come up with, 232 00:12:09,349 --> 00:12:10,626 believe it or not, with an idea 233 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:12,145 to remake Not of this Earth 234 00:12:12,179 --> 00:12:15,148 and this was, of course I didn't know Jim Wynorski 235 00:12:15,182 --> 00:12:17,115 was doing it with Traci Lords and all that stuff. 236 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:18,047 So that was kinda happening. 237 00:12:18,082 --> 00:12:19,877 So that ended that, plus it was, 238 00:12:19,911 --> 00:12:21,741 you know, owned by a different company. 239 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:26,746 But, when Empire shut its door and then Full Moon, 240 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:31,578 so I was like, okay, let's try this again. 241 00:12:32,717 --> 00:12:35,858 Trancers Three happened for me as a director 242 00:12:35,893 --> 00:12:38,585 for really only two reasons. 243 00:12:38,619 --> 00:12:40,483 Albert Band and Tim Thomerson. 244 00:12:40,518 --> 00:12:42,865 Of course, it was Charlie's ultimate decisions 245 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:47,905 but his dad completely backed me on directing the movie 246 00:12:49,078 --> 00:12:53,462 and then Tim just was, he was amazing. 247 00:12:53,496 --> 00:12:56,845 He, 'cause he had been in moviethat I had written already. 248 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,020 So we knew each other, we liked each other, 249 00:13:00,055 --> 00:13:01,642 but boy he just came in there 250 00:13:01,677 --> 00:13:03,955 like the flaming sword of Siegfried 251 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:06,509 and he was the series. 252 00:13:08,132 --> 00:13:09,996 - [Narrator] A cop from another world. 253 00:13:10,997 --> 00:13:12,101 - What's the matter? 254 00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:13,758 You never seen a cop before? 255 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:16,485 - [Narrator] And a nurse shrunk by aliens. 256 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:19,315 - Just the thing to drive G.I. Joe insane. 257 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:22,215 - [Narrator] Are teaming up with a big partner. 258 00:13:22,249 --> 00:13:23,906 - She's a cop in trouble. 259 00:13:23,941 --> 00:13:26,633 - [Narrator] For some deadly fun and games. 260 00:13:26,667 --> 00:13:29,153 - Toys that come to life and kill people 261 00:13:29,187 --> 00:13:30,982 to help a demon from hell? 262 00:13:32,708 --> 00:13:34,192 You can go where those toys go. 263 00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:36,919 You're the perfect size to help me kick their butts. 264 00:13:36,954 --> 00:13:38,645 [gunshots] 265 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,647 - Let's start up the entertainment, boys. 266 00:13:40,681 --> 00:13:41,648 [screaming] 267 00:13:41,682 --> 00:13:42,649 [laughing] 268 00:13:42,683 --> 00:13:43,650 - [Narrator] And this time. 269 00:13:43,684 --> 00:13:45,617 - This is [mumbles] ass kicking. 270 00:13:45,652 --> 00:13:46,929 - Get away from me. 271 00:13:46,964 --> 00:13:48,448 [laughing] 272 00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:51,865 - [Narrator] They're picking on someone their own size. 273 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,315 - Gosh, guys. 274 00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:55,938 This is the best bachelorparty a guy could ever ask for. 275 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,216 [laughing] 276 00:13:59,977 --> 00:14:01,702 - Pop goes the weasel. 277 00:14:01,737 --> 00:14:06,259 - That was, I think we had the original Buechler puppets. 278 00:14:06,293 --> 00:14:09,572 I made Baby Oopsy-Daisy and I made the Jack in the Box. 279 00:14:09,607 --> 00:14:12,058 Baby Oopsy-Daisy I wasn't terribly happy 280 00:14:12,092 --> 00:14:13,369 with the way that turned out 281 00:14:13,404 --> 00:14:15,302 but I basically had a week to make each one 282 00:14:15,337 --> 00:14:16,579 of these things. 283 00:14:16,614 --> 00:14:19,272 So there was no stopping 284 00:14:19,306 --> 00:14:21,826 and then I also made a new character, 285 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:25,312 which was supposed to be sort of like a G.I. Joe 286 00:14:25,347 --> 00:14:27,452 action man thing which was a suit 287 00:14:27,487 --> 00:14:29,420 that was worn by Ted Haines. 288 00:14:29,454 --> 00:14:31,008 - I really like Dr. Mordrid. 289 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:32,802 I think it's just got some great stuff in it. 290 00:14:32,837 --> 00:14:36,565 Even though we were, again, working very limited funds. 291 00:14:36,599 --> 00:14:41,018 There was so much in that worked well. 292 00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:42,364 I really liked Yvette Nipar, 293 00:14:42,398 --> 00:14:44,193 I thought she was terrific 294 00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:46,195 and we had obviously a terrific bad guy 295 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:47,334 in Brian Thompson. 296 00:14:47,369 --> 00:14:49,060 - [Narrator] Dr. M. Tom Mordrid 297 00:14:49,095 --> 00:14:52,857 has stood guard between our world 298 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:54,894 and the dark dimensions. 299 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,725 Now, after centuries of waiting, 300 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,797 evil's ultimate warrior has arrived. 301 00:15:01,831 --> 00:15:04,558 [dramatic music] 302 00:15:05,732 --> 00:15:09,218 - Kabal is a demon who uses mortals to do his bidding. 303 00:15:09,529 --> 00:15:11,255 [screaming] 304 00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:13,395 [dramatic music] 305 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:14,499 - What difference does it make 306 00:15:14,534 --> 00:15:16,639 if I want this dying planet? 307 00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:18,745 - A sorcerer is not a god. 308 00:15:18,779 --> 00:15:23,784 - Full Moon movies, you can tell every single department 309 00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:26,097 put everything into that. 310 00:15:26,132 --> 00:15:27,650 You know? 311 00:15:27,685 --> 00:15:31,275 The art department, special effects, practical effects. 312 00:15:31,309 --> 00:15:34,588 I mean, Jesus Christ, what a glorious time 313 00:15:34,623 --> 00:15:37,867 to be alive in the 80s and 90s watching those movies. 314 00:15:39,248 --> 00:15:41,595 - Parting is such sweet sorrow. 315 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:42,976 - Totally sucks. 316 00:15:43,011 --> 00:15:46,600 ["Sacrifice" by Motorhead] 317 00:15:50,915 --> 00:15:53,918 ♪ Why do they not believe 318 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:57,818 ♪ I have not lied even for this ♪ 319 00:15:57,853 --> 00:16:00,718 ♪ Now no one can conceive 320 00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:04,929 ♪ The lie becomes the loving kiss ♪ 321 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:06,931 ♪ Sacrifice 322 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,553 ♪ Sacrifice 323 00:16:08,588 --> 00:16:10,417 ♪ Sacrifice 324 00:16:10,452 --> 00:16:12,109 ♪ Sacrifice 325 00:16:12,143 --> 00:16:14,076 ♪ Sacrifice 326 00:16:14,111 --> 00:16:15,940 ♪ Pay the price 327 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,424 - I was a huge horror nerd growing up. 328 00:16:17,459 --> 00:16:19,806 You know, watching things like Night of the Demons 329 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,739 and Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama 330 00:16:21,773 --> 00:16:23,741 and like the original Toxic Avenger. 331 00:16:25,191 --> 00:16:27,227 I would, you know, just kind of watch these crazy movies 332 00:16:27,262 --> 00:16:29,022 on the weekend, never in a million years was I like, 333 00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:30,817 oh I can make these films. 334 00:16:30,851 --> 00:16:33,199 Because in my head these are Hollywood movies 335 00:16:33,233 --> 00:16:36,823 and you needed to know Hollywoodpeople to do that, right? 336 00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:38,411 But where I went to school in Manhattan, 337 00:16:38,445 --> 00:16:40,137 there were a lot of actor kids that like would, 338 00:16:40,171 --> 00:16:42,587 you know, Broadway actors and what not 339 00:16:42,622 --> 00:16:44,279 and they would read this paper called Backstage 340 00:16:44,313 --> 00:16:45,832 and I was like, oh let me see that 341 00:16:45,866 --> 00:16:48,317 and there happened to be an ad for Troma Studios. 342 00:16:48,352 --> 00:16:50,526 They were looking for extras for their movie 343 00:16:50,561 --> 00:16:52,390 Tromeo and Juliet 344 00:16:52,425 --> 00:16:54,220 and I was like, that's Troma. 345 00:16:54,254 --> 00:16:55,117 Like oh my god. 346 00:16:55,152 --> 00:16:56,532 Surf Nazis Must Die. 347 00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:58,914 Like I have to go and so I cut school 348 00:16:58,948 --> 00:17:00,226 and I went down to the audition 349 00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:01,710 and I told them all these stories 350 00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:03,815 about what a great actor I was 351 00:17:03,850 --> 00:17:05,127 and they were like, what special skills 352 00:17:05,162 --> 00:17:06,335 do you have? 353 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:08,268 I'm like, man, I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu. 354 00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:12,169 I think I was like maybe a green belt in jiu-jitsu 355 00:17:12,203 --> 00:17:14,240 and I was probably like a triple black belt 356 00:17:14,274 --> 00:17:17,070 in street fighting but I certainly didn't have like, 357 00:17:17,105 --> 00:17:19,693 you know, I wasn't Bruce Lee. 358 00:17:20,867 --> 00:17:23,421 But they I think liked my bullshit 359 00:17:23,456 --> 00:17:25,423 or my excitement for the genre 360 00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:29,255 and James Gunn, it was James Gunn first movie with Troma 361 00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:31,291 and Lloyd Kaufman were like, 362 00:17:31,326 --> 00:17:33,500 well you know, you're pretty good, funny or whatever 363 00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,019 and they gave me the part of Peter 364 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,434 the bodyguard to the Capulet family. 365 00:17:36,469 --> 00:17:38,919 Which I was, like you don't understand. 366 00:17:38,954 --> 00:17:42,475 Like I would have walked in the background 367 00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:44,373 of that movie and I could have been happy 368 00:17:44,408 --> 00:17:45,926 and just kinda of went on with the rest of my life 369 00:17:45,961 --> 00:17:48,101 but the fact that I had like a speaking part in it 370 00:17:48,136 --> 00:17:49,551 and I got to fight in it 371 00:17:49,585 --> 00:17:52,036 and you know, have stunts go wrong, obviously, 372 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,521 because I really didn't know jiu-jitsu 373 00:17:54,556 --> 00:17:56,351 but it was a dream. 374 00:17:56,385 --> 00:17:59,630 It kinda of, it's the only reason I'm still in the genre. 375 00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:02,219 - Well, we began Troma in 1974. 376 00:18:02,253 --> 00:18:04,807 So by the 90s, were considered 377 00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:08,811 a major independent movie studio with movies like 378 00:18:08,846 --> 00:18:12,539 The Toxic Avenger and I think the 90s for us 379 00:18:12,574 --> 00:18:17,510 was the time that we moved from the Toxic Avenger 380 00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,168 and Class of Nuke Em High and Troma's War, 381 00:18:20,202 --> 00:18:22,998 we moved into Shakespeare with Tromeo and Juliet 382 00:18:23,032 --> 00:18:27,623 and we added more and more genres 383 00:18:27,658 --> 00:18:30,626 to our distinct Troma touch. 384 00:18:30,661 --> 00:18:35,666 Troma movies are not really genre movies. 385 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,600 If anything they're a Cuisinart of genres. 386 00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:42,155 They combine horror, science fiction, comedy, politics, 387 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,848 Shakespeare in the case of the movie we just finished also, 388 00:18:45,883 --> 00:18:48,541 Shakespeare Shit Storm, which we just finished shooting. 389 00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:52,269 These are movies that combine genres 390 00:18:52,303 --> 00:18:55,927 and Troma has kinda of its own brand, 391 00:18:55,962 --> 00:18:59,034 shall we say, which may be why we're here for so many years. 392 00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:03,280 - Don't give up the fight for truly independent cinema! 393 00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:08,975 - By the 90s came along, the VHS was going away 394 00:19:09,009 --> 00:19:14,014 and so was all the independent video stores. 395 00:19:14,877 --> 00:19:16,362 Again, I'm a little hazy on it 396 00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:19,330 but it seems that an evil empire called Blockbuster 397 00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:21,160 put everybody out of business 398 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:24,680 and they in turn went bankrupt. 399 00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:26,682 ♪ What a difference 400 00:19:26,717 --> 00:19:28,753 The two elements that make us successful 401 00:19:28,788 --> 00:19:31,135 is our movies are good and they last 402 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,999 and they're still here. 403 00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:35,001 Terror Firmer is literally a movie that came out 404 00:19:35,035 --> 00:19:37,176 in 1999 that nobody understood 405 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,281 and it is a crazy movie. 406 00:19:40,696 --> 00:19:42,284 - [Announcer] Terror Firmer. 407 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,873 - What we got here is a basic cereal killer. 408 00:19:44,907 --> 00:19:47,807 - You know your killer's choices of victims 409 00:19:47,841 --> 00:19:49,843 indicates some sort of personal animosity 410 00:19:49,878 --> 00:19:51,466 against you and your company. 411 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,917 - Family values must be saved! 412 00:19:54,952 --> 00:19:56,125 - Yeah, right. 413 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,748 [laughing] 414 00:19:57,782 --> 00:19:58,921 [wet crunching] 415 00:19:58,956 --> 00:19:59,957 [screaming] 416 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:01,061 - Where's the blood? 417 00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:02,787 Where's the blood?God damn it, where's the blood? 418 00:20:02,822 --> 00:20:03,788 - We're dead. 419 00:20:03,823 --> 00:20:04,617 No! 420 00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:07,033 This is a Troma movie. 421 00:20:07,067 --> 00:20:09,208 - That guy is really dead. 422 00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:11,796 - These movie people are disgusting. 423 00:20:11,831 --> 00:20:13,039 [screaming] 424 00:20:13,073 --> 00:20:15,248 - Oh, so you're asking me about Terror Firmer, 425 00:20:15,283 --> 00:20:17,595 my huge big part in Terror Firmer. 426 00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:21,358 I mean it is like I was the star of that movie, naturally. 427 00:20:21,392 --> 00:20:25,085 My part consisted, I think of this, like. 428 00:20:27,156 --> 00:20:27,950 That's it. 429 00:20:27,985 --> 00:20:29,055 That was it. 430 00:20:29,089 --> 00:20:31,057 I think that was it. I think I came on to the set 431 00:20:31,091 --> 00:20:34,647 to give a really dumb shocked reaction 432 00:20:34,681 --> 00:20:36,821 to somebody's head getting like chopped off, 433 00:20:36,856 --> 00:20:38,996 I think, maybe, if I remember correctly. 434 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,378 I think I was there maybe amatter of 10 minutes on the set, 435 00:20:41,412 --> 00:20:43,345 if I'm remembering right. 436 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,865 So yes, you're welcome for Terror Firmer, 437 00:20:45,899 --> 00:20:46,831 it was all me. 438 00:20:46,866 --> 00:20:48,868 Thank you, thank you. 439 00:20:51,871 --> 00:20:52,665 - Yabba dabba do. 440 00:20:52,699 --> 00:20:54,253 - What did I tell ya? 441 00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:55,633 - You know, Jim and I were friends. 442 00:20:55,668 --> 00:20:57,186 Just he's a fan 443 00:20:57,221 --> 00:21:01,536 and he was friends with Mark McGee and people like that 444 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:04,573 and I met him at some different parties and stuff 445 00:21:04,608 --> 00:21:09,233 but mostly through Bill Warren and Mark McGee. 446 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,890 Jim and I got to know each other. 447 00:21:10,924 --> 00:21:13,410 We really weren't friends but for a few years 448 00:21:13,444 --> 00:21:15,722 and then, you know, we just started hanging out. 449 00:21:15,757 --> 00:21:17,241 We lived near each other 450 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:21,866 and eventually we thought of doing a few projects together. 451 00:21:21,901 --> 00:21:24,731 Which we did and we've had some fun. 452 00:21:26,043 --> 00:21:28,563 [gunfire] 453 00:21:28,597 --> 00:21:31,393 - Dinosaur Island we decided to co-direct. 454 00:21:31,428 --> 00:21:34,603 Which was wonderful because were surrounded 455 00:21:34,638 --> 00:21:39,194 by a horde of hot chicks for two weeks. 456 00:21:39,228 --> 00:21:41,852 Okay and this is beyond Michelle Bauer, 457 00:21:41,886 --> 00:21:44,199 or Griffin Drew, and Antonia Dorian, 458 00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:46,270 and Toni Naples, who was also in that movie. 459 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,654 There were a number of other, you know, fun girls. 460 00:21:50,688 --> 00:21:53,967 That's where we met Nikki Fritz for the first time 461 00:21:54,002 --> 00:21:57,833 and we had hired this girl to do a dance 462 00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:00,629 and she was awful. 463 00:22:00,664 --> 00:22:05,116 We started shooting it and she just didn't know how to move 464 00:22:05,151 --> 00:22:07,498 and I said, and Fred was directing. 465 00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:10,294 I said, Fred let's do this tomorrow. 466 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,848 Call it a night. 467 00:22:12,883 --> 00:22:15,230 I'll get somebody knew and I had met this Nikki Fritz 468 00:22:15,264 --> 00:22:17,681 who was a stripper from Florida 469 00:22:17,715 --> 00:22:21,926 and she came in the next day and just nailed it 470 00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,928 and I'm so glad we waited. 471 00:22:23,963 --> 00:22:24,929 [tense music] 472 00:22:24,964 --> 00:22:27,518 - [Narrator] A house abandoned. 473 00:22:27,553 --> 00:22:28,692 - We're gonna turn this 474 00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:30,418 into the best sorority house in school. 475 00:22:31,591 --> 00:22:33,731 - [Narrator] That holds a secret. 476 00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:35,492 - A Ouija board. 477 00:22:35,526 --> 00:22:37,356 Let's shake up the spirit world. 478 00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,840 - There were sets left over 479 00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:41,429 from Slumber Party Massacre Three 480 00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:42,706 and they were trashed. 481 00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:45,950 They had blood all over and paint spilled on em 482 00:22:45,985 --> 00:22:49,195 and all the furniture had been removed 483 00:22:50,092 --> 00:22:53,268 and I called Julie Corman 484 00:22:53,302 --> 00:22:55,097 and said, you know I could shoot a horror movie 485 00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:58,480 here in about six days, if you gave me the money 486 00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:00,724 and she said, "Well those sets are trashed." 487 00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:03,623 And I said, I'll make it work 488 00:23:03,658 --> 00:23:05,418 and so I came up with the idea 489 00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,387 that five girls are moving into a house 490 00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:10,527 that has been trashed 491 00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,114 and the villain is Hokstedter 492 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:15,048 which by, you know, coincidence 493 00:23:15,083 --> 00:23:16,912 was the name of my Directory of Photography 494 00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:18,604 for the last couple of movies 495 00:23:18,638 --> 00:23:21,814 and it was Clive Hokstedter 496 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:26,439 and I needed somebody to play the other villain 497 00:23:26,474 --> 00:23:30,547 and the other villain was played by Orville Ketchum, 498 00:23:30,581 --> 00:23:32,445 who really wasn't a villain at all. 499 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,103 That name popped into my head 500 00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:38,244 as I was writing the script. 501 00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:40,419 I had to write the script in like four days 502 00:23:41,592 --> 00:23:44,699 just to get, make sure it got read and approved 503 00:23:44,733 --> 00:23:46,770 before everybody left for Europe. 504 00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,875 Rodger and his wife were just taking off. 505 00:23:48,910 --> 00:23:50,946 So I had to write it in four days 506 00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:53,086 and I was sitting there at New Horizons, 507 00:23:53,121 --> 00:23:56,538 in one of the spare rooms, typing away 508 00:23:56,573 --> 00:23:58,609 and that name just came into my head. 509 00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,784 A few days after they approved they script, 510 00:24:00,818 --> 00:24:03,131 I was casting, and he just walked in. 511 00:24:03,165 --> 00:24:06,341 He was the only guy who walked in 512 00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:09,344 and when he came in I said, that's my guy. 513 00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:11,484 That's Orville Ketchum, okay, 514 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,453 and he sat down and he read the script 515 00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:17,421 and he turned on Orville Ketchum. 516 00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:19,837 He just did it. 517 00:24:19,872 --> 00:24:24,221 Right there in the casting office 518 00:24:24,255 --> 00:24:26,223 and it was wonderful. 519 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,707 I said, this the guy. 520 00:24:27,742 --> 00:24:31,400 This is a sign from God that I should make this movie. 521 00:24:31,435 --> 00:24:33,920 [eerie music] 522 00:24:35,646 --> 00:24:37,476 - We were reinventing something there. 523 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:42,204 We were doing a parody ofsomething that was very popular 524 00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:46,623 at the time and in Jim inventing that character 525 00:24:47,865 --> 00:24:50,005 destroyed all the other movies before it, 526 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,180 in my opinion, because I just love Orville. 527 00:24:52,214 --> 00:24:54,320 Orville Ketchum is my favorite character 528 00:24:54,354 --> 00:24:56,391 of all the Jim Wynorski films 529 00:24:56,425 --> 00:24:59,152 and working with Peter Spellos on those things 530 00:24:59,187 --> 00:25:00,568 was amazing, too. 531 00:25:00,602 --> 00:25:01,914 - [Narrator] A madman has sealed 532 00:25:01,948 --> 00:25:03,881 off a Los Angeles high rise 533 00:25:04,744 --> 00:25:06,712 trapping the occupants inside. 534 00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,232 - Who's there? 535 00:25:10,267 --> 00:25:12,303 [eerie music] 536 00:25:12,338 --> 00:25:14,098 - Hey, the phones dead. 537 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,206 - [Narrator] Now, five young women are joining forces 538 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,725 and fighting for their lives. 539 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,797 - Look, it's three against one, 540 00:25:22,831 --> 00:25:24,350 the odds are in our favor. 541 00:25:24,384 --> 00:25:26,076 - Maybe I can increase those odds. 542 00:25:28,216 --> 00:25:29,907 - I love that character 543 00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:33,393 and when Rodger Corman said make another one, 544 00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:36,396 which was Hard to Die, 545 00:25:36,431 --> 00:25:37,812 because he had just finished this thing 546 00:25:37,846 --> 00:25:39,814 called Corporate Assets 547 00:25:39,848 --> 00:25:42,713 and it's a movie that everybody's forgotten, everybody. 548 00:25:42,748 --> 00:25:46,614 I don't think it's even available on DVD or VHS 549 00:25:46,648 --> 00:25:51,204 and he had all these office building pieces 550 00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:54,138 and I just said I'm gonna do hard, you know Die Hard 551 00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,108 with chicks in a, in a great, on great sets 552 00:25:58,142 --> 00:25:59,040 and we did. 553 00:25:59,074 --> 00:26:00,800 We had a great time doing that. 554 00:26:00,835 --> 00:26:02,319 Deborah Dutch was in that one, too. 555 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,633 - We were working in theoriginal Rodger Corman studios, 556 00:26:05,667 --> 00:26:07,531 Santa Rosa Avenue of Venice 557 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:11,984 and the turn around, sometimes,was barely eight hours 558 00:26:12,018 --> 00:26:13,882 but he always made sure it was eight hours 559 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:17,092 but driving from West Hollywood to Venice 560 00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:18,680 and then staying real late. 561 00:26:18,715 --> 00:26:22,132 So the hours, you know, kind of grueling 562 00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:24,548 because we have a budget, you know, 563 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:29,588 in low budget movie making of maybe two weeks top, 564 00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:32,142 if you have that, usually 10 days 565 00:26:32,176 --> 00:26:35,283 and I had a lead role, co-star role. 566 00:26:35,317 --> 00:26:39,011 So it just was boom boom boom boom boom. 567 00:26:39,045 --> 00:26:42,739 So as long as you showed up early 568 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:46,328 before your call time to make sure you were completely 569 00:26:46,363 --> 00:26:50,091 set ready, camera ready, knew your lines, 570 00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:54,543 hit your marks, and weren't a problem, Jim loved you. 571 00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:59,272 We had squibs on us because I get killed by a machine gun 572 00:26:59,307 --> 00:27:02,310 and we were in the warehouse 573 00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:04,346 where the guns are 574 00:27:04,381 --> 00:27:08,350 and Jim goes, and it's towards the end of the movie, 575 00:27:08,385 --> 00:27:10,905 so we had to stay on budget 576 00:27:10,939 --> 00:27:14,218 and with the special effects of squibs back then, 577 00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:15,461 you know, this was a big deal, 578 00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:17,290 'cause blood would splatter allover 579 00:27:17,325 --> 00:27:18,602 and everything like that. 580 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:20,224 So you can't mess up. 581 00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:21,570 You just can't do it. 582 00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:24,677 So, Jim goes, "Okay Debbie, 583 00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:26,506 there's gonna be one shot there, one shot there, 584 00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:28,336 one shot there" with the AK47, 585 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:31,028 "One shot there, one shotthere, one shot there, one shot, 586 00:27:31,063 --> 00:27:34,031 and while the shots there, it hits you in the chest 587 00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:35,067 and you fall back." 588 00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:36,171 And I said, okay. 589 00:27:36,206 --> 00:27:37,897 He says, "Okay, camera rolling." 590 00:27:37,932 --> 00:27:41,176 Boom, boom, boom, boom and I went 591 00:27:41,211 --> 00:27:42,315 and I made a mistake. 592 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:44,041 I did not do it on time 593 00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:45,042 and he's like, "Cut, cut, cut. 594 00:27:45,077 --> 00:27:46,561 No, Debbie. 595 00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:50,082 When the AK47", it's a six shot or something like that, 596 00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,808 "That's when you do it." 597 00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:53,395 I said, okay, okay I got it. 598 00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:54,776 So I'm sitting there, you know, 599 00:27:54,811 --> 00:27:56,916 making sure I got this, with a squib 600 00:27:56,951 --> 00:27:59,022 because they're gonna explode it. 601 00:27:59,056 --> 00:28:00,333 The bloods gonna go. 602 00:28:00,368 --> 00:28:01,749 So, you go boom boom. 603 00:28:01,783 --> 00:28:03,785 I messed up the second time. 604 00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:05,925 The third time I just said, I said like, 605 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,170 oh no, this is it, third one, it's gonna be it. 606 00:28:09,204 --> 00:28:10,827 So boom boom boom boom boom. 607 00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:13,381 I went bam, fall back on my back, 608 00:28:13,415 --> 00:28:17,005 my feet go straight up in the air, I scream of course, 609 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,077 and Jim goes, "Cut" 610 00:28:20,112 --> 00:28:21,769 and the whole place cracked up. 611 00:28:21,803 --> 00:28:24,150 When you see that scene, I literally bounce, 612 00:28:24,185 --> 00:28:27,498 my feet go straight up in the air and then I go dead. 613 00:28:27,533 --> 00:28:30,847 - What would happen is that he kind of threw me in there 614 00:28:30,881 --> 00:28:34,747 and, you know, actors are alwayslooking to pay their rent. 615 00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:36,680 So he would call and he'd go, "Are you free, 616 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,095 do you want to come down, and you know, 617 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,683 so you can make a little bit of money?" 618 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:44,170 and he'd always have these weird things for me to do. 619 00:28:44,205 --> 00:28:46,966 I just remember, I think it was Monique and I, 620 00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:48,243 Monique Gabrielle and I. 621 00:28:48,278 --> 00:28:50,314 - Cut, cut, cut, cut. 622 00:28:50,349 --> 00:28:51,660 For Christ sake, cut. 623 00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:53,007 - What's the matter with that, Mel? 624 00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:54,594 - Yeah, I thought we had a real moment there. 625 00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:55,423 - Me, too. 626 00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:56,735 - Look at your feet. 627 00:28:56,769 --> 00:29:00,221 How many times I have told youto go to bed with your shoes on? 628 00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:02,602 - Well, nobody goes to bed with spiked heels on. 629 00:29:02,637 --> 00:29:03,776 That's ridiculous. 630 00:29:03,811 --> 00:29:05,985 - Yeah, well some people think they're sexy, 631 00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:07,055 - It's stupid. 632 00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:08,401 - I agree. 633 00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:09,955 - I've never been to bed with a girl who keeps her shoes on. 634 00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:11,404 - Yeah and lay you odds 635 00:29:11,439 --> 00:29:13,786 you've never been to bed with two women at the same time, either. 636 00:29:13,821 --> 00:29:15,546 Neither have the slobs that rent these movies. 637 00:29:15,581 --> 00:29:16,996 That's why we're making em. 638 00:29:17,031 --> 00:29:19,688 - You know, any movie with that many machine guns 639 00:29:19,723 --> 00:29:21,794 and that much real pyro 640 00:29:21,829 --> 00:29:26,074 and you can see the wires coming from Peters. 641 00:29:26,109 --> 00:29:28,628 You know, they had him wired up with so many squibs 642 00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,320 and so many, it was just, I loved it. 643 00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:32,322 I loved working on those kind of films. 644 00:29:33,702 --> 00:29:35,118 - [Narrator] They broke into the mall 645 00:29:35,152 --> 00:29:38,017 for the wildest all night party of their lives. 646 00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:40,399 [tense music] 647 00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:41,607 - They're dead meat. 648 00:29:41,641 --> 00:29:42,815 [screaming] 649 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:44,334 - [Narrator] But you're never alone 650 00:29:45,714 --> 00:29:47,544 in the Chopping Mall. 651 00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,961 - I met him because he called me in for a meeting 652 00:29:50,996 --> 00:29:53,515 for, it was called Robot at the time, 653 00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:54,862 then it was called Killbot 654 00:29:54,896 --> 00:29:57,899 and you all know it as Chopping Mall. 655 00:29:57,934 --> 00:29:59,763 [laughing] 656 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,007 Much to our chagrin at the time. 657 00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:03,180 However, little did I know 658 00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:04,837 I'd be sitting here in 2019 659 00:30:04,872 --> 00:30:06,114 talking about Chopping Mall. 660 00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:07,598 So, thank you. 661 00:30:09,117 --> 00:30:11,810 I went in and auditioned and I was doing The Zero Boys 662 00:30:11,844 --> 00:30:13,018 which it was a night shoot, 663 00:30:13,052 --> 00:30:14,985 so we would break at the crack of dawn. 664 00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,953 We did it at Jason's cabin. 665 00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:19,127 So it was kind of a far drive and everything else 666 00:30:19,162 --> 00:30:21,612 and so I went pretty much right from the set. 667 00:30:21,647 --> 00:30:22,751 I was exhausted. 668 00:30:22,786 --> 00:30:24,512 So I was super relaxed. 669 00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:26,307 And he thought, okay this girls gonna be great 670 00:30:26,341 --> 00:30:27,687 to work with because she's got, 671 00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:29,413 hasn't got a nerve in her body 672 00:30:29,448 --> 00:30:31,450 and there's nothing I can do that's going 673 00:30:31,484 --> 00:30:34,384 to upset her, probably is what he thought, 674 00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:36,524 and then I had to read for Julie 675 00:30:36,558 --> 00:30:37,732 and I kind of got nervous. 676 00:30:37,766 --> 00:30:39,216 He said, "What's the matter with you? 677 00:30:39,251 --> 00:30:40,217 You were so relaxed before." 678 00:30:40,252 --> 00:30:42,668 And I said, well I was tired then 679 00:30:42,702 --> 00:30:45,498 and now I'm auditing for the Cormans 680 00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:46,914 but you know, I calmed down 681 00:30:46,948 --> 00:30:48,950 and fortunately for me I got the part 682 00:30:48,985 --> 00:30:51,919 and then from there on, like I said, 683 00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:54,438 I will reiterate, you're always happy 684 00:30:54,473 --> 00:30:57,096 to go in and do something for a day or so 685 00:30:57,131 --> 00:31:00,030 because you're always, you know. 686 00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:02,584 It's a freelance type of gig, acting. 687 00:31:02,619 --> 00:31:05,104 So I was very grateful that, 688 00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:08,487 to anybody that continues to, calls you up 689 00:31:08,521 --> 00:31:11,248 and says do you want to come and do something, 690 00:31:11,283 --> 00:31:13,078 because it means that, 691 00:31:13,112 --> 00:31:15,977 you know it's that no like and trust factor 692 00:31:17,185 --> 00:31:20,361 and that's a lot of this business is all about. 693 00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,328 One day I got a call from Andy Lane 694 00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:25,676 and he said, "Do you want to be in Servants of Twilight?" 695 00:31:25,711 --> 00:31:28,127 And I looked at it, and I thought, 696 00:31:28,162 --> 00:31:30,923 this is a great part because in the book everyone, 697 00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:32,442 I don't know if it reads in the movie 698 00:31:32,476 --> 00:31:34,927 'cause I don't, I haven't seen it in a long time 699 00:31:34,962 --> 00:31:39,828 but in the book it reads like she could be the person, 700 00:31:39,863 --> 00:31:42,141 she could be the leak in that office 701 00:31:42,176 --> 00:31:44,005 and I thought, that's very, 702 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,834 that's great, I'd love to. 703 00:31:45,869 --> 00:31:48,458 And so, and I didn't really, 704 00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:51,047 at the time I don't think I was aware of Bruce Greenwood 705 00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:53,049 but I was afterwards, you know, 706 00:31:53,083 --> 00:31:55,396 and I thought, wow, thank you, Andy. 707 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:56,880 - [Narrator] Servants of Twilight. 708 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,572 [phone ringing] 709 00:32:00,504 --> 00:32:02,023 - Hello? 710 00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:03,956 - [Woman] Joey Scavello? 711 00:32:03,991 --> 00:32:05,233 - Grandma? 712 00:32:05,268 --> 00:32:08,029 - [Woman] I told you couldn't hide from me. 713 00:32:08,064 --> 00:32:11,688 I can see you wherever you go. 714 00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:14,242 I'm going to bring judgment down on you 715 00:32:14,277 --> 00:32:16,382 and cut your vile little heart out. 716 00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,283 - It was so looked down upon. 717 00:32:20,317 --> 00:32:21,801 I remember in the 90s you'd say, 718 00:32:21,836 --> 00:32:22,975 well that's direct to video, 719 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,115 like it was bad thing. 720 00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,014 - Well, it was just one of those old dark house 721 00:32:27,048 --> 00:32:29,326 kind of movies, with a bunch of girls running around. 722 00:32:29,361 --> 00:32:30,603 I liked working with Dick Miller 723 00:32:30,638 --> 00:32:32,467 and I liked having Arte Johnson in there 724 00:32:32,502 --> 00:32:33,986 and David Carradine was friend of mine. 725 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:38,335 So, you know, it was pretty entertaining. 726 00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:39,371 Bob Quarry, you know, 727 00:32:39,405 --> 00:32:40,855 who played Count Yorga, Vampire, 728 00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:42,753 he came in and did some of the voiceovers 729 00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:45,825 for the creature and then I did some of them 730 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,206 and it was fun. 731 00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,897 I mean it was a quick, quick movie 732 00:32:48,932 --> 00:32:50,071 but it was one of those films 733 00:32:50,106 --> 00:32:51,970 where you were putting up your own money 734 00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:53,316 and there was no one to tell you 735 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:54,834 that you couldn't do something. 736 00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:57,596 So just about anything we wanted to do would fly. 737 00:32:59,011 --> 00:33:02,325 - [Narrator] Every step forward is a step backward. 738 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,775 - I've come to destroy you. 739 00:33:06,812 --> 00:33:07,986 - [Narrator] And every room 740 00:33:09,056 --> 00:33:10,540 is a room with a view. 741 00:33:10,574 --> 00:33:12,162 - Doing the animation plates 742 00:33:12,197 --> 00:33:15,579 is something that I had some experience with already 743 00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,721 and we worked with a company called Streamline in New York 744 00:33:19,756 --> 00:33:22,793 and we did it with an aerial image of photography 745 00:33:22,828 --> 00:33:24,899 and we were doing a lot of rotoscoping anyway 746 00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:28,454 with Bret Mixon for movies like Beverly Hill's Vamp 747 00:33:28,489 --> 00:33:29,559 and stuff like that. 748 00:33:29,593 --> 00:33:30,801 So we knew we had 749 00:33:30,836 --> 00:33:33,770 to have a Mitchell Twin Pin registered camera 750 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:36,531 'cause every frame had to be locked in position 751 00:33:36,566 --> 00:33:39,845 or they'd be gate weave andthat would throw off everything. 752 00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:41,226 So we did storyboards. 753 00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:42,882 So where we knew we wanted the monster 754 00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:44,367 to come up and look over a chair 755 00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,679 and we would shoot, you know, the chair 756 00:33:46,714 --> 00:33:48,095 and then, sort of this stuff, 757 00:33:48,129 --> 00:33:49,682 is like where the girl fell down 758 00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:53,652 and then we had to pull her top off with fishing line. 759 00:33:53,686 --> 00:33:56,103 We pulled the little wire so it would pop off 760 00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:58,760 and then, and then Bret would rotoscope it. 761 00:33:58,795 --> 00:34:01,556 He would do a cartoon animation paper cell, 762 00:34:01,591 --> 00:34:02,833 which drew the girl. 763 00:34:02,868 --> 00:34:05,560 So that then when her hand would come up, 764 00:34:05,595 --> 00:34:08,149 her hand would pass in front of the creature 765 00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,497 which was actually an animationcell on top of the footage. 766 00:34:11,532 --> 00:34:14,155 So they would roto out the shape of her hand 767 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:15,708 as it passed in front of them. 768 00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:16,916 So it was pretty complicated 769 00:34:16,951 --> 00:34:18,297 and these were hand painted cells. 770 00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:21,128 You know, there were thousands and thousands of them 771 00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:23,923 and then would project the film one frame 772 00:34:23,958 --> 00:34:26,064 at a time onto the aerial image lens 773 00:34:26,098 --> 00:34:28,307 and hang the animation cell in front 774 00:34:28,342 --> 00:34:30,068 and then re-photograph it. 775 00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:32,070 So it would then combine the two things. 776 00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:34,002 It was pretty complicated for a movie 777 00:34:34,037 --> 00:34:37,420 with $140,000 budget and 35mm, 778 00:34:37,454 --> 00:34:39,732 Screen Actors Guild, and some of the actors picked 779 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493 up $20,000 for their parts. 780 00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,529 So it was quite a feat 781 00:34:43,564 --> 00:34:45,393 for the amount of money we spent. 782 00:34:45,428 --> 00:34:49,087 - Fred is a very efficient filmmaker. 783 00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,331 He doesn't give a lot of personal direction 784 00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:55,886 and unless you would have like a heart attack on set, 785 00:34:55,921 --> 00:34:59,407 you got one take because they were shooting on 35mm. 786 00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:03,239 - [Narrator] Victoria is a very frightened woman. 787 00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:06,380 - I'm having dreams. 788 00:35:06,414 --> 00:35:09,348 Dreams that won't let me sleep. 789 00:35:09,383 --> 00:35:10,729 Nightmares. 790 00:35:10,763 --> 00:35:14,698 Most of the time I'm being buried alive. 791 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,532 - One of my favorite movies was Haunting Fear 792 00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:24,812 in the probably around 1991, I think it was. 793 00:35:24,846 --> 00:35:27,677 It was the biggest part I had to date 794 00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:29,230 and when Fred handed me a script, 795 00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:31,267 I thought it was for the role of the secretary 796 00:35:31,301 --> 00:35:33,545 but he's like, no I want you to play the lead. 797 00:35:33,579 --> 00:35:35,374 So I worked with Jan Michael Vincent, 798 00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:37,687 and Karen Black, and Robert Quarry. 799 00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,655 I was in practically every scene 800 00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:42,692 and it was one of the first movies where 801 00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:46,144 I go from being a victim to kind of being a villain 802 00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:49,008 and I didn't die in the end. 803 00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,321 That was something unique and different. 804 00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:53,323 I am very very fond of that movie. 805 00:35:53,358 --> 00:35:56,015 I wish it would come out on DVD 806 00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:58,121 because it never has. 807 00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,536 - Haunting Fear was a movie 808 00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:03,575 that was made in the samehouse as Evil Toons, same sets. 809 00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:06,267 You see them go into thecellar where Dick Miller's dead 810 00:36:06,302 --> 00:36:08,994 and you find Dick Miller dead. 811 00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:12,135 That's the same cellar where the guys body was buried 812 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:16,691 in Spirits and I don't know why we made that film 813 00:36:16,726 --> 00:36:18,210 but when we did, we went and watched 814 00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:21,213 Legend of Hell House and The Haunting and The Evil, 815 00:36:21,248 --> 00:36:22,559 we watched all these things, 816 00:36:22,594 --> 00:36:25,113 and somebody wanted to make this. 817 00:36:25,148 --> 00:36:29,325 So we did and it obviously it seemed perfect 818 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:32,569 for her to be a psychic in there. 819 00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:34,571 Well, you know, we've always tired 820 00:36:34,606 --> 00:36:38,506 at Retro Media, to produce original content 821 00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:41,751 and I've over the years, I've invested, of course, 822 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,029 and financed other people's films. 823 00:36:44,063 --> 00:36:45,858 [wolf howling] 824 00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,723 - [Narrator] A fairy tale born from a legend. 825 00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:51,174 A truth more terrifying than the tale. 826 00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:54,142 - Say a prayer for Daddy tonight, okay? 827 00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:56,352 - [Narrator] Only one man had the courage 828 00:36:56,386 --> 00:36:58,733 to stand against the forces of darkness. 829 00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:04,981 - In 1994 Fred had a scream queen contest 830 00:37:05,844 --> 00:37:07,052 with the Phil Donahue Show. 831 00:37:07,086 --> 00:37:09,848 He and some celebrity guests were on board 832 00:37:09,882 --> 00:37:13,817 and they had people auditioningto be a scream queen 833 00:37:13,852 --> 00:37:17,027 and whoever did the best audition got the part 834 00:37:17,062 --> 00:37:19,823 and would come down in February to meet with us 835 00:37:19,858 --> 00:37:22,343 in Orlando to make the film. 836 00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:27,452 So, he had a concept and a storyline 837 00:37:27,486 --> 00:37:30,420 that he worked out and he sent that to us 838 00:37:30,455 --> 00:37:32,905 and we started hurriedly writing the script. 839 00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:37,393 Because this was now October of 1994 840 00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:39,360 and he wanted it in video stores 841 00:37:39,395 --> 00:37:42,087 in time for Halloween 1995. 842 00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:46,609 In those days, it was still a four to six month turn around 843 00:37:46,643 --> 00:37:48,231 after you finished the film just 844 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,820 to get all the promotional stuff ready. 845 00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:53,029 To get the deals set up and everything else, 846 00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:54,582 get the release scheduled. 847 00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:58,034 So we were literally on a time clock 848 00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:02,935 and our first weekend we had the actress 849 00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:08,562 that won the contest came down and we did her scene, 850 00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:10,840 she gets to get killed in the opening of the film. 851 00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:14,499 She's with three teenagers that inadvertently 852 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,296 resurrect Jack-O and they get killed for their troubles 853 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:23,059 and we shot all of that on the first weekend. 854 00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,095 There was a crew from the Donahue show there 855 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:27,857 and they shot background footage for a documentary 856 00:38:27,891 --> 00:38:32,827 and then when the show aired a few months later 857 00:38:32,862 --> 00:38:35,899 they had that material as well as the contest 858 00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:36,831 and so forth. 859 00:38:36,866 --> 00:38:38,592 But that's how Jack-O started. 860 00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:40,387 It was the Phil Donahue show. 861 00:38:40,421 --> 00:38:42,837 We're doing a movie that's supposed to take place 862 00:38:42,872 --> 00:38:47,290 at Halloween in a sort of Midwestern suburb 863 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,361 and we're in Florida and we're shooting 864 00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:50,880 in February, March, and April. 865 00:38:50,914 --> 00:38:53,400 What do you need if you're doing a Halloween film? 866 00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:55,816 Pumpkins. 867 00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:58,784 Okay, so we're going around in November, 868 00:38:58,819 --> 00:39:02,201 we're going after Halloween and after Thanksgiving. 869 00:39:02,236 --> 00:39:03,720 We're bugging everybody, you know, 870 00:39:03,755 --> 00:39:05,481 can we take your pumpkins? 871 00:39:05,515 --> 00:39:06,930 Everybody's like yeah, take 'em. 872 00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:08,863 And I'm storing them in my garage, 873 00:39:08,898 --> 00:39:11,418 which is also the neighborhood we filmed in. 874 00:39:11,452 --> 00:39:15,767 My house was at 1764 WaterbeachCourt Apopka, Florida. 875 00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:17,872 We shot all around my house, 876 00:39:17,907 --> 00:39:19,391 all around the neighborhood. 877 00:39:19,426 --> 00:39:21,945 Infuriated the neighbors when we shot night scenes 878 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,602 because we're keeping everybody up 879 00:39:23,637 --> 00:39:27,537 but I'm keeping all of these pumpkins in my garage 880 00:39:27,572 --> 00:39:31,403 and I was warned that pumpkins rot from the inside 881 00:39:31,438 --> 00:39:35,407 and if they get to that point where'll they seem solid 882 00:39:35,442 --> 00:39:37,409 but if you just bump it lightly 883 00:39:37,444 --> 00:39:39,238 the whole things gonna collapse 884 00:39:39,273 --> 00:39:41,862 and the smell is horrific. 885 00:39:41,896 --> 00:39:43,829 So we're taking all these pumpkins 886 00:39:43,864 --> 00:39:45,279 and we're shellacking them 887 00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:47,902 so that hopefully they'll keep for two, 888 00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:50,008 three, four months while we shoot that film. 889 00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,975 So that was tough. 890 00:39:53,149 --> 00:39:56,739 The shoot itself went reasonably well. 891 00:39:58,568 --> 00:40:01,744 It was just, it was just a logistical nightmare. 892 00:40:01,778 --> 00:40:03,711 We had a sequence, 893 00:40:04,712 --> 00:40:06,921 we did it one entire day 894 00:40:06,956 --> 00:40:08,613 we lost all of the footage because 895 00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:10,028 an inexperienced camera loader 896 00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:11,823 had loaded the magazines backwards. 897 00:40:11,857 --> 00:40:13,652 So we had to re shoot that. 898 00:40:13,687 --> 00:40:15,758 We had a bunch of pick up days that we had to do 899 00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:19,555 because it, when I turned in my cut 900 00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:21,522 it was just missing some elements that it needed. 901 00:40:21,557 --> 00:40:25,008 So it took a lot more pickups to get it finished 902 00:40:25,043 --> 00:40:27,425 and get it to where it was. 903 00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:28,840 - In the movie, Jack-O, 904 00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:31,843 I think I only appear on the television screen. 905 00:40:31,877 --> 00:40:33,845 They're watching a movie. 906 00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:35,191 What they're watching, 907 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:38,781 Fred and I shot in Salem, Massachusetts. 908 00:40:38,815 --> 00:40:43,441 I had bought this costume that looked like it was colonial. 909 00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,995 He brought his Bolex camera on the plane 910 00:40:46,029 --> 00:40:49,101 and we shot in graveyards and in old buildings 911 00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:50,551 in and around Salem. 912 00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:54,072 Because he was planning to make a movie called The Coven 913 00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,559 and have it be like a girlschool that is into witchcraft. 914 00:40:58,594 --> 00:41:01,493 Well, I don't think he ever made the movie 915 00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:03,840 but we shot all this experimental footage 916 00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:07,879 and so he ended up putting it on the screen in Jack-O. 917 00:41:07,913 --> 00:41:10,122 - My son's character in the film is a horror fan 918 00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:14,264 and he's constantly in frontof the TV watching horror films 919 00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:18,476 and so one of the films he's watching is The Coven 920 00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,925 with Brinke Stevens 921 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,964 and Brinke kindly also did some dialogue looping 922 00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:26,967 so that it seemed like more of a movie that he was watching 923 00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:29,003 where a character is talking. 924 00:41:29,038 --> 00:41:31,868 - [Narrator] Evil has a new number. 925 00:41:31,903 --> 00:41:33,456 [screaming] 926 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,493 - Welcome to my hell. 927 00:41:35,527 --> 00:41:38,116 - [Narrator] And the devil has found a new way 928 00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,290 to reach out and kill someone. 929 00:41:40,325 --> 00:41:43,431 [screaming] 930 00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:45,054 976-Evil II. 931 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,334 - I was going out with Monique Gabrielle at the time 932 00:41:50,438 --> 00:41:52,820 and she said, "You can't find a spot for me 933 00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:54,891 in 976-Evil II?" 934 00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:56,755 I said, well you know the producers 935 00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,067 want this certain type. 936 00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:01,622 She said, "You can't find a spot for me?" 937 00:42:01,657 --> 00:42:03,244 So I went to the producers 938 00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:07,663 and I said, please let her play the lawyer 939 00:42:08,767 --> 00:42:10,735 who gets killed in the car 940 00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:12,288 and they said, okay, 941 00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:15,878 and if you watch that movie, 942 00:42:15,912 --> 00:42:18,846 that car is not in front of a process screen. 943 00:42:18,881 --> 00:42:22,919 It's out there getting hit by other cars. 944 00:42:22,954 --> 00:42:27,268 So she did her little dialogue scene with the villain 945 00:42:27,303 --> 00:42:29,132 and then the next few nights 946 00:42:29,167 --> 00:42:32,550 she was out doing this car scene 947 00:42:32,584 --> 00:42:35,207 and this car scene was, as you know, 948 00:42:35,242 --> 00:42:40,247 it was full of bangs and booms and zips and zangs 949 00:42:40,972 --> 00:42:42,145 and everything else. 950 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,078 She came home the first night and she said, 951 00:42:44,113 --> 00:42:47,012 "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you." 952 00:42:47,047 --> 00:42:49,705 Her whole body was not contorted 953 00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:52,121 but it was like, and not bruised, 954 00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:56,643 but had been banged around in these cars all night 955 00:42:56,677 --> 00:42:59,128 'cause they were hitting the cars back and forth 956 00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,543 back and forth. 957 00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:01,993 Now, that sequence was so popular 958 00:43:02,027 --> 00:43:04,374 that I used it again in Ghoulie's Four. 959 00:43:04,409 --> 00:43:05,686 [laughter] 960 00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:08,033 [screaming] 961 00:43:10,518 --> 00:43:14,695 - I'll go back in time to the actual physical things 962 00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:18,009 that used to happen when I got a score. 963 00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:19,217 I'd get a phone call. 964 00:43:19,251 --> 00:43:21,253 I have another score for you, Chuck. 965 00:43:21,288 --> 00:43:23,704 Okay, when's the work print ready? 966 00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:25,430 It will be ready Tuesday. 967 00:43:25,464 --> 00:43:27,777 Okay, fine. 968 00:43:27,812 --> 00:43:30,435 It would come over as a VHS tape, 969 00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:32,506 or a three quarter inch tape, 970 00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,921 and I would take a look at it 971 00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:35,889 and then the director would come over, 972 00:43:35,923 --> 00:43:37,753 we would sit down and look at it, 973 00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:39,306 I would take notes. 974 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:41,964 The notes, down through as I've done a lot of scores, 975 00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:44,345 the notes got lesser and lesser through scores. 976 00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:46,624 It was like, we don't even use a notepad anymore, 977 00:43:46,658 --> 00:43:47,797 at least Jim and I don't. 978 00:43:47,832 --> 00:43:50,041 Jim and I don't even spot the movie anymore. 979 00:43:50,075 --> 00:43:53,113 He just hands it to me or he finishes it and I start it. 980 00:43:53,147 --> 00:43:56,461 I've done almost all my films in order. 981 00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:58,636 You start at the beginning, you do a main title, 982 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:03,641 you use your themes from the main title throughout the film 983 00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,126 and then you end the movie with either a song 984 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,679 that someone else supplies 985 00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:12,063 or you do a version of the opening title for the end. 986 00:44:12,097 --> 00:44:14,790 Now, sometimes Jim asked me not to do that. 987 00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,895 Like with, it was a Tower of Terror 988 00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:18,932 or Sorority House Massacre. 989 00:44:18,966 --> 00:44:21,037 One of them he said, "Do a spaghetti western." 990 00:44:21,072 --> 00:44:23,281 Of course that's, whenever Jim gets bored with a score, 991 00:44:23,315 --> 00:44:25,179 he says, "Do a spaghetti western." 992 00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:27,457 And I would always do a spaghetti western 993 00:44:27,492 --> 00:44:29,183 because I love them, too. 994 00:44:29,218 --> 00:44:31,530 So I would always love it when Jim would say, 995 00:44:31,565 --> 00:44:33,256 "Make this a spaghetti western." 996 00:44:33,291 --> 00:44:34,982 So that was the process back then. 997 00:44:35,017 --> 00:44:38,814 Come in, cassette, look at the cassette. 998 00:44:38,848 --> 00:44:43,128 The cassette gets synchronized via time code with the box 999 00:44:43,163 --> 00:44:48,168 and each time you started the movie 1000 00:44:49,031 --> 00:44:50,722 to write a piece of music, 1001 00:44:50,757 --> 00:44:52,724 you had like a five second pre roll 1002 00:44:52,759 --> 00:44:55,693 'cause you had to wait for it all to sync up 1003 00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,177 and then once it's all sync up, 1004 00:44:57,211 --> 00:44:58,834 you can play it against picture 1005 00:44:58,868 --> 00:45:00,732 and you had a few seconds to do that 1006 00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:02,907 and then you go back and you'd start that whole process again. 1007 00:45:02,941 --> 00:45:04,840 I like working on set. 1008 00:45:04,874 --> 00:45:06,911 I like making the pictures happen. 1009 00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:08,775 I love the process of making movies 1010 00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:10,328 but there's nothing better than sitting 1011 00:45:10,362 --> 00:45:13,158 three in the morning in your underwear smoking a joint 1012 00:45:13,193 --> 00:45:14,401 scoring a film. 1013 00:45:14,435 --> 00:45:17,507 - Ghoulies IV was an interesting film 1014 00:45:17,542 --> 00:45:22,547 because I had just thought about the Ghoulies franchise 1015 00:45:23,686 --> 00:45:26,171 and suddenly Paul Hertzberg, at Cinetel, 1016 00:45:26,206 --> 00:45:28,173 said, you now, "They want another Ghoulies. 1017 00:45:28,208 --> 00:45:29,105 Would you like to do it?" 1018 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,451 I said, yes but I don't want 1019 00:45:30,486 --> 00:45:33,316 to do it with those little models. 1020 00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:38,356 I want to do it with two little people in costume 1021 00:45:39,426 --> 00:45:42,947 and but I do want Peter Liapis 1022 00:45:44,017 --> 00:45:46,536 who was in the first one 1023 00:45:46,571 --> 00:45:49,608 so that my mine is a direct sequel to number one. 1024 00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,472 'Cause I liked number one 1025 00:45:51,507 --> 00:45:55,856 and if I had Peter, I could do a sequel, a true sequel 1026 00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:00,896 and so we got Peter and Stacie Randall 1027 00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:03,381 who played the villainess. 1028 00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,486 It was a lot of fun to make. 1029 00:46:05,521 --> 00:46:07,834 They let me do odd stuff. 1030 00:46:07,868 --> 00:46:10,284 A lot of stuff that normal people, 1031 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:13,080 producers wouldn't let anybody do 1032 00:46:13,115 --> 00:46:15,048 but they said ago ahead and do it, it's a comedy. 1033 00:46:15,082 --> 00:46:17,188 So I did it and it was a lot of fun. 1034 00:46:17,222 --> 00:46:19,052 - [Narrator] In the time of the witches 1035 00:46:19,086 --> 00:46:20,708 in a place of evil. 1036 00:46:20,743 --> 00:46:22,434 Morella Lock was put to death. 1037 00:46:22,469 --> 00:46:24,298 Now, she's come back. 1038 00:46:24,333 --> 00:46:25,852 - Call me mad if you will 1039 00:46:25,886 --> 00:46:30,339 but my wife has returned to take possession 1040 00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:32,065 of my daughter. 1041 00:46:33,998 --> 00:46:35,344 Morella. 1042 00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:36,552 - [Narrator] Edgar Allen Poe's 1043 00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:38,830 The Haunting of Morella. 1044 00:46:38,865 --> 00:46:41,799 - When I was in Haunting of Morella 1045 00:46:42,938 --> 00:46:45,733 you know, I had just done Playboy. 1046 00:46:45,768 --> 00:46:50,083 So I had come from New York on Broadway, 1047 00:46:50,117 --> 00:46:51,809 I was like a little actress. 1048 00:46:51,843 --> 00:46:53,949 I'm not gonna take my top off. 1049 00:46:53,983 --> 00:46:56,434 I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna show my boobs. 1050 00:46:56,468 --> 00:46:58,850 You know for anything, I'm a real actress. 1051 00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:00,403 I don't want my, 1052 00:47:00,438 --> 00:47:02,371 and I bumped into, 1053 00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:04,683 well Jim actually and I had socially, 1054 00:47:05,995 --> 00:47:07,963 you know knew each other 1055 00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:10,931 and he said, "Well Debbie, 1056 00:47:10,966 --> 00:47:13,106 you know I'd love to use you in my films." 1057 00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:15,729 He said, "But let me know when you're ready 1058 00:47:15,763 --> 00:47:17,179 to pop your top." 1059 00:47:18,111 --> 00:47:19,906 I said, pop my top? 1060 00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:25,877 Okay, Jim I don't want to get involved with all that 1061 00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,983 and so then I got into Playboy 1062 00:47:28,017 --> 00:47:29,432 and so I called up, Jim. 1063 00:47:29,467 --> 00:47:31,849 I said, Jim, I'm ready to pop my top. 1064 00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:36,854 - Oh I loved working on Evil Spirits. 1065 00:47:37,993 --> 00:47:40,961 It was amazing working with Karen Black. 1066 00:47:40,996 --> 00:47:44,723 She is a very very special person. 1067 00:47:44,758 --> 00:47:46,933 I saw is even though she's gone now 1068 00:47:46,967 --> 00:47:49,142 because she still is just, 1069 00:47:49,176 --> 00:47:54,181 her energy, she, there's something very spiritual about her 1070 00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:58,910 and I don't know what her thing is. 1071 00:47:58,945 --> 00:48:02,776 Like if she was really into very spiritual or not 1072 00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:06,987 but she had this beautiful aura about her 1073 00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:11,198 and she was so gracious and she was so kind to me 1074 00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:15,996 and it's a spoiler alert 1075 00:48:16,031 --> 00:48:18,516 but I do play her daughter. 1076 00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:22,313 So she was very loving and motherly on that set 1077 00:48:22,347 --> 00:48:27,352 and I play a mute who ends up doing some bad things. 1078 00:48:28,388 --> 00:48:30,045 - [Narrator] Scientists have theorized 1079 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,256 that it is possible to camouflage atoms within themselves 1080 00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:36,396 to achieve invisibility. 1081 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,847 - Feast your eyes on a miracle. 1082 00:48:39,882 --> 00:48:44,059 - [Narrator] These theories have now become realities. 1083 00:48:45,198 --> 00:48:46,889 - Yeah, yeah! 1084 00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:50,582 - [Narrator] Everybody thinks Keven Dornwinkle is strange. 1085 00:48:50,617 --> 00:48:51,411 [laughing] 1086 00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:52,653 His mother thought so. 1087 00:48:52,688 --> 00:48:54,621 - You're grounded for a year. 1088 00:48:54,655 --> 00:48:55,622 - [Narrator] So do his students. 1089 00:48:55,656 --> 00:48:57,141 - Is this guy for real? 1090 00:48:57,175 --> 00:49:00,316 - I'd be willing to do anything for an A. 1091 00:49:00,351 --> 00:49:02,974 - Even his colleagues think he's wacky. 1092 00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:05,045 - And they laughed at me, at me! 1093 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,013 - [Narrator] But ask Kevin Dornwinkle 1094 00:49:07,047 --> 00:49:08,911 what he thinks is weird. 1095 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:13,951 - With this injection begins my erection. 1096 00:49:14,675 --> 00:49:16,884 [eerie tense music] 1097 00:49:30,691 --> 00:49:32,038 Tis I. 1098 00:49:32,072 --> 00:49:34,488 Your friendly neighborhood invisible maniac. 1099 00:49:37,181 --> 00:49:39,528 [screaming] 1100 00:49:41,495 --> 00:49:42,669 - [Narrator] The Invisible Maniac. 1101 00:49:42,703 --> 00:49:44,498 - One of my all-time favorite films, 1102 00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,502 from back in the 80s, 90s era 1103 00:49:48,537 --> 00:49:50,780 was The Invisible Maniac. 1104 00:49:50,815 --> 00:49:55,406 Okay, directed by Riff Coogan AKA Adam Rifkin 1105 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,924 or vice a versa. 1106 00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:58,305 [laughing] 1107 00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:00,480 Now he is known as Adam Rifkin. 1108 00:50:00,514 --> 00:50:05,519 So I remember I was waiting to go into my audition 1109 00:50:06,451 --> 00:50:10,524 at this nice office building 1110 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,322 and I was again, playing a teenager 1111 00:50:15,357 --> 00:50:19,671 even though I think I was maybe like almost 30, 1112 00:50:19,706 --> 00:50:21,604 if not 30 already. 1113 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,815 So I just for some reason, and it had nothing 1114 00:50:25,850 --> 00:50:28,611 to do with anything, I was sitting there reading 1115 00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:31,097 my sides to audition 1116 00:50:31,131 --> 00:50:35,032 and I just decided, eh, I'll put my glasses 1117 00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:36,274 on for this one. 1118 00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:37,758 You know, just to do something different. 1119 00:50:37,793 --> 00:50:41,555 So because I was reading for, 1120 00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:43,178 at least I'm not sure, 1121 00:50:43,212 --> 00:50:45,007 I'm not sure if I was actually reading 1122 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,941 for the character that I was cast as, as Betty, 1123 00:50:47,975 --> 00:50:49,874 or if I was reading for another part 1124 00:50:49,908 --> 00:50:51,082 I can't remember that. 1125 00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:53,257 So I had my glasses on, 1126 00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:55,224 I did the audition with my glasses on 1127 00:50:55,259 --> 00:51:00,057 and then I really wasn't expecting to get cast. 1128 00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:03,612 So just because I thought, 1129 00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:06,615 oh you know, there's a million people auditioning 1130 00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:08,099 for this thing. 1131 00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:11,068 But lo and behold, they called me up and said, 1132 00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:13,932 we would like you for the role of Betty, the nerd. 1133 00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:17,764 And I was like, yay the glasses was a good, 1134 00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:19,662 you know, a good choice. 1135 00:51:19,697 --> 00:51:21,423 So that was really fun. 1136 00:51:21,457 --> 00:51:22,424 I enjoyed that one. 1137 00:51:23,528 --> 00:51:24,771 - Riff Coogan. 1138 00:51:24,805 --> 00:51:26,152 First of all, that's a phony name, okay. 1139 00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:27,843 His real name is Adam Rifkin 1140 00:51:27,877 --> 00:51:31,329 and when I met him, I mean were both sort 1141 00:51:31,364 --> 00:51:33,573 of territorial about the movie. 1142 00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:35,161 You know, I felt like it was mine 1143 00:51:35,195 --> 00:51:36,679 because I was making a sequel 1144 00:51:36,714 --> 00:51:39,303 and of course he was going to put his imprint on it 1145 00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:42,444 and we really worked well together. 1146 00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:46,068 I mean we were really, you're so busy doing the thing 1147 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:47,966 that you don't really have time for a lot of discussion. 1148 00:51:48,001 --> 00:51:49,175 You know. 1149 00:51:49,209 --> 00:51:51,142 He would say, "I'm gonna do this." 1150 00:51:51,177 --> 00:51:52,557 I'd be like, fine that looks good to me. 1151 00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,180 You know, so we weren't, 1152 00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:57,148 there was never any conflict at all. 1153 00:51:57,183 --> 00:51:59,323 - [Narrator] Larry and Bryan thought they planned 1154 00:51:59,357 --> 00:52:00,910 the perfect bachelor party. 1155 00:52:00,945 --> 00:52:03,189 They took care of the booze. 1156 00:52:03,223 --> 00:52:05,467 They took care of the boss. 1157 00:52:05,501 --> 00:52:06,709 - Yes. 1158 00:52:06,744 --> 00:52:08,090 - [Narrator] They took care of the girls. 1159 00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,505 - Women, women. 1160 00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:11,197 Women, women. 1161 00:52:11,231 --> 00:52:13,682 Women, women, women, women! 1162 00:52:13,716 --> 00:52:15,925 - [Narrator] They took care of the entertainment. 1163 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,410 - We're here to party. 1164 00:52:17,444 --> 00:52:19,412 - [Narrator] They even took care of the nightwatchmen. 1165 00:52:19,446 --> 00:52:22,622 The only thing they didn't take care of was him. 1166 00:52:22,656 --> 00:52:26,557 - You boys wouldn't be planning anything illegal? 1167 00:52:26,591 --> 00:52:29,249 - [Narrator] Now they've got an uninvited guest. 1168 00:52:29,284 --> 00:52:30,802 - [Man] They're just having some fun. 1169 00:52:30,837 --> 00:52:32,114 - Fun, fun? 1170 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,599 Until someone loses an eye. 1171 00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,740 - Very wildly creative, wildly creative 1172 00:52:37,775 --> 00:52:39,570 and it shows as you watch the film now, 1173 00:52:39,604 --> 00:52:41,503 you see how he's Dutching his angles, 1174 00:52:41,537 --> 00:52:42,745 and he's moving the camera 1175 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,232 and there's a lot of inventive camera work 1176 00:52:46,266 --> 00:52:50,374 by Adam Kane who is a great cinematographer, 1177 00:52:50,408 --> 00:52:51,858 was the shooter on that. 1178 00:52:51,892 --> 00:52:55,620 So our thing was always I would come up to him and say, 1179 00:52:55,655 --> 00:52:56,828 is it spooky? 1180 00:52:56,863 --> 00:52:59,141 And he would go, "It's very spooky." 1181 00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,247 And so then we would shoot the scene. 1182 00:53:01,281 --> 00:53:03,421 - [Narrator] Psycho Cop II. 1183 00:53:03,456 --> 00:53:07,943 - You know, I'm beginning to suspect foreplay. 1184 00:53:07,977 --> 00:53:09,600 - It's not what it looks like. 1185 00:53:09,634 --> 00:53:11,326 - You're drunk and disorderly. 1186 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,879 - Well hello there, officer. 1187 00:53:12,913 --> 00:53:15,709 [gunshot] [screaming] 1188 00:53:15,744 --> 00:53:16,848 - You're under arrest. 1189 00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,439 You have the right to remain dead. 1190 00:53:22,578 --> 00:53:23,821 - There's something really wrong. 1191 00:53:23,855 --> 00:53:26,410 - Anything you say can and will be considered 1192 00:53:26,444 --> 00:53:29,413 extremely strange because you're dead. 1193 00:53:29,447 --> 00:53:31,967 [screaming] 1194 00:53:32,001 --> 00:53:33,658 You have the right to an attorney. 1195 00:53:33,693 --> 00:53:35,142 [screaming] 1196 00:53:35,177 --> 00:53:36,592 - Why aren't they dressed? 1197 00:53:36,627 --> 00:53:38,111 - They're dressed, they're just dressed scantily. 1198 00:53:38,145 --> 00:53:41,459 - So maybe I should just let you go with a warning. 1199 00:53:41,494 --> 00:53:43,427 [screaming] 1200 00:53:43,461 --> 00:53:45,636 - Let's get the hell out of here. 1201 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,776 - Everything okay up here? 1202 00:53:47,810 --> 00:53:49,226 [screaming] 1203 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:52,436 Suspect is blonde and considered extremely stupid. 1204 00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:53,954 You understand these rights? 1205 00:53:53,989 --> 00:53:55,542 [gunshot] 1206 00:53:55,577 --> 00:53:56,888 - [Narrator] Miles David Dougal 1207 00:53:56,923 --> 00:53:58,614 as the hapless yuppie nerd. 1208 00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:04,102 Roderick Darin as the life of the party. 1209 00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:07,416 1993 Penthouse Pet of the year, Julie Strain, 1210 00:54:07,451 --> 00:54:10,557 as the bombshell in bikini leather chaps. 1211 00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:14,216 Barbara Alexander as ace accountant Sharon Wells, 1212 00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:18,289 and Bobby Ray Shafer as mister law enforcement himself. 1213 00:54:18,324 --> 00:54:20,222 - Police officer Joe Vickers. 1214 00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:24,916 - Adam recruited all of these local alcohol, 1215 00:54:24,951 --> 00:54:29,680 you know drunks, I mean street people to be in the movie 1216 00:54:29,714 --> 00:54:33,891 and so we were filming the clubbing scene 1217 00:54:33,925 --> 00:54:35,720 and there was one guy. 1218 00:54:35,755 --> 00:54:37,204 I could smell him. 1219 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,174 You know he smelled like alcohol and vomit and thrash 1220 00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:43,763 and he's not pulling the punches. 1221 00:54:43,797 --> 00:54:47,732 He's just wailing away with his plastic whiffle ball bat. 1222 00:54:47,767 --> 00:54:49,389 I mean, really really hitting me hard. 1223 00:54:49,424 --> 00:54:50,494 You know, finally I grabbed the bat, 1224 00:54:50,528 --> 00:54:52,289 I'm like, Adam, who is this? 1225 00:54:52,323 --> 00:54:55,844 And he goes, "He looks great, Bobby." 1226 00:54:55,878 --> 00:54:58,536 So I was like, get him the hell out of here. 1227 00:54:58,571 --> 00:55:00,400 He doesn't know what he's doing. 1228 00:55:00,435 --> 00:55:01,677 He's hitting me. 1229 00:55:01,712 --> 00:55:04,162 So we had to film it again. 1230 00:55:04,197 --> 00:55:06,751 I don't know why that footage didn't work 1231 00:55:08,201 --> 00:55:09,996 but then later we shot it outside of a strip club 1232 00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,413 in the valley and you know it's a pretty famous scene 1233 00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:15,242 because of the Rodney King parallel. 1234 00:55:15,277 --> 00:55:17,244 That was what happening right then 1235 00:55:17,279 --> 00:55:22,008 and really Adam Rifkin does his cameo there 1236 00:55:22,042 --> 00:55:24,700 where he shows up as the neighbor with the video camera 1237 00:55:24,735 --> 00:55:26,806 and realizes, it's gold, it's gold, 1238 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,395 and starts filming the beat down, right. 1239 00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:33,157 So I think that scene was really constructed 1240 00:55:33,191 --> 00:55:36,471 and re shot again so Adam could get his cameo in there. 1241 00:55:36,505 --> 00:55:38,335 But I can't be sure about that. 1242 00:55:38,369 --> 00:55:42,097 - So back at that time my shop was in North Hollywood 1243 00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:45,411 on Lankershim Boulevard and that area was kind of right 1244 00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:49,380 in the center of the makeup effects area. 1245 00:55:50,588 --> 00:55:51,762 Right across the street, 1246 00:55:51,796 --> 00:55:53,073 like literally across the street, 1247 00:55:53,108 --> 00:55:54,696 was Don Post Studios. 1248 00:55:56,111 --> 00:56:00,529 Maybe a mile down the road was Makeup Effects Lab 1249 00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:02,738 and John Buechler. 1250 00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:06,328 Who else was around there? 1251 00:56:08,986 --> 00:56:11,091 Rick Baker's shop wasn't too far away. 1252 00:56:11,126 --> 00:56:14,232 There was a lot of stuff going on right in that area 1253 00:56:14,267 --> 00:56:16,856 and right next door to me was the, 1254 00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:20,411 a studio that they used, a stage that they used 1255 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,413 to film IMAX stuff on. 1256 00:56:22,448 --> 00:56:24,346 So I met a lot of guys. 1257 00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:25,830 It was mostly cameramen and stuff. 1258 00:56:25,865 --> 00:56:30,041 They used it for setting uptheir cameras and testing things 1259 00:56:30,076 --> 00:56:34,218 and I met a cameraman who was getting ready 1260 00:56:34,252 --> 00:56:35,426 to do this movie. 1261 00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:38,049 He was going to kinda produce the effects. 1262 00:56:39,465 --> 00:56:42,122 All the effects for this movie called Dolly Dearest 1263 00:56:42,157 --> 00:56:43,814 and we were working on some different puppets 1264 00:56:43,848 --> 00:56:46,403 for a TV show called Monsters and a few other things 1265 00:56:46,437 --> 00:56:48,612 and he'd come over and take a look at we were doing 1266 00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:52,547 and he asked me if I'd be interested in doing that. 1267 00:56:52,581 --> 00:56:53,927 Which of course, I was. 1268 00:56:53,962 --> 00:56:56,516 That was, Chuckie was a real big thing then. 1269 00:56:56,551 --> 00:56:58,829 I think maybe one or two had come out 1270 00:56:58,863 --> 00:57:02,039 and so this was gonna be kinda like Chuckie's girlfriend. 1271 00:57:02,073 --> 00:57:04,731 Lower budget version but still sounded like it 1272 00:57:04,766 --> 00:57:05,870 was gonna be a lot of fun. 1273 00:57:05,905 --> 00:57:07,769 - This is the doll your daddy's gonna make in Mexico 1274 00:57:07,803 --> 00:57:10,427 and this is factory we're gonna make her 1275 00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:11,842 and sew her little dresses. 1276 00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:13,050 Isn't she beautiful? 1277 00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:14,707 - [Girl] May I have one, Daddy? 1278 00:57:14,741 --> 00:57:16,640 - [Narrator] From the moment they met. 1279 00:57:16,674 --> 00:57:18,331 - I'm gonna love her so much. 1280 00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:21,127 - [Narrator] It was a fairy tale come true. 1281 00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:22,887 - Good night, Dolly. 1282 00:57:22,922 --> 00:57:24,820 - [Woman] Sweet dreams, Dolly. 1283 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,478 - [Narrator] But this is where the fairy tale ends 1284 00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:30,067 and the nightmare begins. 1285 00:57:32,414 --> 00:57:33,242 - Dolly? 1286 00:57:35,003 --> 00:57:37,557 - There were makeup effects, creature effects, 1287 00:57:37,592 --> 00:57:39,801 puppet effects, we had a whole bunch of different things, 1288 00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:41,630 working in that movie. 1289 00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:45,565 We actually shot, 1290 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,705 and I kinda unofficially got to be 1291 00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:50,190 do some second unit directing 1292 00:57:50,225 --> 00:57:52,641 because of the puppets and how we had to shoot it 1293 00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:54,505 and one thing that was really fun 1294 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,265 is they called me up, 1295 00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,854 we were already in the process of building the dolls. 1296 00:57:58,889 --> 00:58:00,097 We built several dolls. 1297 00:58:00,131 --> 00:58:02,720 We had a full one hero puppet doll 1298 00:58:02,755 --> 00:58:06,966 that had a rig that so puppeteers could ride with her 1299 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,519 so she could walk. 1300 00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:10,556 She had a radio controlled head. 1301 00:58:11,695 --> 00:58:13,524 Articulated arms, legs, the whole deal, 1302 00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,871 and that was our main hero puppet. 1303 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,220 Then we had several, you know we had a multitude 1304 00:58:20,255 --> 00:58:21,670 of other puppets 1305 00:58:21,705 --> 00:58:24,224 because she starts at as a really like pretty, nice doll, 1306 00:58:24,259 --> 00:58:26,503 that any little girl would like to have 1307 00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,953 and then morphs into this evil creature. 1308 00:58:28,988 --> 00:58:31,300 So, we had pretty doll, 1309 00:58:31,335 --> 00:58:33,130 we had like the normal looking dolls 1310 00:58:33,164 --> 00:58:35,339 that eyes could turn and heads could turn 1311 00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:36,547 and do little things 1312 00:58:36,582 --> 00:58:39,895 and insert hands for grabbing things 1313 00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:42,208 and you know a whole 1314 00:58:42,242 --> 00:58:43,520 bunch of stuff like that. 1315 00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:48,455 So and a lot of that stuff we did 1316 00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:50,009 we shot in second unit. 1317 00:58:50,043 --> 00:58:51,286 So I got a call saying, 1318 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,425 hey you know we got our stage 1319 00:58:52,459 --> 00:58:53,944 where we're gonna be filming 1320 00:58:53,978 --> 00:58:57,085 and I said, okay where is it? 1321 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,051 And they gave me the address 1322 00:58:58,086 --> 00:58:59,328 and it was on Lankershim, 1323 00:58:59,363 --> 00:59:01,158 and I went, oh that numbers really close 1324 00:59:01,192 --> 00:59:03,332 and I looked, literally looked out the window 1325 00:59:03,367 --> 00:59:06,197 and they were across the street from us. 1326 00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:07,440 So it couldn't have been any better. 1327 00:59:07,474 --> 00:59:09,753 That was just kind of random happenstance. 1328 00:59:09,787 --> 00:59:13,653 So we just, we could literally walk across the street 1329 00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:16,069 and take stuff back and forth from the shop 1330 00:59:16,104 --> 00:59:17,968 and it was really convenient 1331 00:59:19,107 --> 00:59:23,111 and we shot a lot of the insert stuff there. 1332 00:59:23,145 --> 00:59:24,906 We shot a lot of stuff in the location. 1333 00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:27,909 There was a house in Covina, I believe it was, 1334 00:59:27,943 --> 00:59:28,772 that we shot at 1335 00:59:31,464 --> 00:59:35,192 but a lot of the stuff where it was gonna 1336 00:59:35,226 --> 00:59:39,368 be more intricate and we had some sets built 1337 00:59:39,403 --> 00:59:40,956 in this soundstage across the street. 1338 00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:45,512 It was really a warehouse, converted into a soundstage 1339 00:59:45,547 --> 00:59:47,929 and we shot quite a lot of stuff 1340 00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:50,759 and then at the end of the movie 1341 00:59:50,794 --> 00:59:52,692 I mean after we wrapped, 1342 00:59:52,727 --> 00:59:54,901 while we were getting into post, 1343 00:59:54,936 --> 00:59:59,285 the guys that hired me, who were the producers 1344 00:59:59,319 --> 01:00:03,082 of the effects, got into, I guess 1345 01:00:04,255 --> 01:00:08,743 a bit of an issue about additional funds 1346 01:00:08,777 --> 01:00:10,814 and they thought they did more work 1347 01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:12,056 than they got paid for 1348 01:00:12,091 --> 01:00:14,680 and it kinda got all into a legal thing 1349 01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:17,165 and a lot of the stuff that we filmed 1350 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,029 ultimately didn't make it into the movie 1351 01:00:19,063 --> 01:00:21,272 because it was tied up into this legal thing 1352 01:00:22,998 --> 01:00:24,759 and which never got, I don't know whatever 1353 01:00:24,793 --> 01:00:26,174 happened with it, to be honest with you 1354 01:00:26,208 --> 01:00:29,626 but it certainly, it wasn't resolved 1355 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:31,558 before they had released the movie. 1356 01:00:31,593 --> 01:00:33,112 So there was quite a bit of stuff 1357 01:00:33,146 --> 01:00:35,942 that never even made it into the film, 1358 01:00:35,977 --> 01:00:37,875 which was pretty sad for us. 1359 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,428 We did all that work 1360 01:00:39,463 --> 01:00:41,603 but it was a lot of fun. 1361 01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:44,537 Denise Crosby was in the film. 1362 01:00:44,571 --> 01:00:49,576 Sam Bottoms who was her husband 1363 01:00:50,612 --> 01:00:52,821 and Rip Torn who was this, 1364 01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:55,859 kinda, he was an archeologist. 1365 01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:59,725 He was the guy that released the demon soul 1366 01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,209 that inhabited the doll. 1367 01:01:01,243 --> 01:01:03,694 [eerie music] 1368 01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:06,041 [screaming] 1369 01:01:06,076 --> 01:01:08,216 [tense eerie music] 1370 01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:10,563 [screaming] 1371 01:01:20,538 --> 01:01:21,367 - No, no! 1372 01:01:24,508 --> 01:01:26,165 - It's time to play. 1373 01:01:29,375 --> 01:01:31,480 - Play with this, bitch. 1374 01:01:31,515 --> 01:01:34,414 [explosion] 1375 01:01:34,449 --> 01:01:36,727 - [Narrator] Dolly Dearest. 1376 01:01:36,762 --> 01:01:38,695 - Yeah, you know it's been like 30 years 1377 01:01:39,765 --> 01:01:42,457 since I did Dolly Dearest 1378 01:01:42,491 --> 01:01:45,046 and I just constantly feel like, 1379 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,357 you know, that she's around. 1380 01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:48,394 She's lurking around all the time. 1381 01:01:48,428 --> 01:01:51,915 It's weird, weird feeling. 1382 01:01:51,949 --> 01:01:53,571 Huh? 1383 01:01:53,606 --> 01:01:55,263 She's behind me now, isn't she? 1384 01:01:55,297 --> 01:01:56,713 I bet you she's... 1385 01:01:56,747 --> 01:01:58,956 [roaring scream] 1386 01:01:58,991 --> 01:01:59,923 - [Woman] Here we go. 1387 01:01:59,957 --> 01:02:01,269 - [Narrator] In this small town. 1388 01:02:01,303 --> 01:02:02,546 - [Woman] Check this guy out. 1389 01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,065 - [Narrator] On this quiet street. 1390 01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:06,308 - Now, we can talk to him one on one. 1391 01:02:06,343 --> 01:02:07,896 - [Narrator] An unspeakable evil 1392 01:02:07,931 --> 01:02:09,346 is stalking the net. 1393 01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:11,210 - What kind of name is Captain Howdy? 1394 01:02:11,244 --> 01:02:16,180 - Strangeland was a cool and fun project to work on. 1395 01:02:17,664 --> 01:02:21,358 I had been, I actually was in a Twisted Sister video 1396 01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:25,396 several years earlier called Be Cruel to your School. 1397 01:02:25,431 --> 01:02:26,984 So when I got called in, 1398 01:02:27,019 --> 01:02:29,607 I don't think I knew it was a Dee Snider film. 1399 01:02:30,885 --> 01:02:32,541 I don't remember knowing that 1400 01:02:32,576 --> 01:02:34,198 but coming in and seeing Dee 1401 01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:37,201 and I think he remembered me from Be Cruel to your School 1402 01:02:37,236 --> 01:02:41,965 and so we had a good rapport already, right off the bat. 1403 01:02:44,484 --> 01:02:47,591 I really liked the concept of what he was doing. 1404 01:02:47,625 --> 01:02:48,799 It was pretty new at the time 1405 01:02:48,834 --> 01:02:50,801 because the internet was kind of new 1406 01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:55,564 and that kind of messaging and stuff, 1407 01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,946 which is now, everybody does on their phone, 1408 01:02:57,981 --> 01:02:59,120 that was kind of new. 1409 01:02:59,154 --> 01:03:01,950 So it was a pretty cool, innovative concept 1410 01:03:01,985 --> 01:03:06,127 and it was a, to do those kind of prosthetics on him 1411 01:03:06,161 --> 01:03:09,820 to make all those piercings and tattoos and everything 1412 01:03:09,855 --> 01:03:12,754 was challenging because it had to, 1413 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:16,033 it was very thin and had to look real on his skin 1414 01:03:16,068 --> 01:03:18,656 and then a really cool effect we got to sew peoples mouth. 1415 01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:20,037 I got to work with Robert Englund. 1416 01:03:20,072 --> 01:03:22,039 I had worked with him a few times before 1417 01:03:22,074 --> 01:03:23,489 but I think that was the first time 1418 01:03:23,523 --> 01:03:25,249 I actually applied makeup to him. 1419 01:03:25,284 --> 01:03:27,355 So that was fun, I got to sew his mouth shut 1420 01:03:27,389 --> 01:03:31,324 and overall it was a really fun film 1421 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:32,532 and Dee's a really cool guy. 1422 01:03:32,567 --> 01:03:34,983 I've stayed friends with him since. 1423 01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:38,124 Would love to see a sequel one of these days. 1424 01:03:40,057 --> 01:03:43,336 - Pain is a uniquely personal experience. 1425 01:03:43,371 --> 01:03:45,752 - Oh god, please don't let this be happening. 1426 01:03:45,787 --> 01:03:47,064 - [Howdy] My badges are forever. 1427 01:03:47,099 --> 01:03:48,755 - My badge represents the law. 1428 01:03:49,895 --> 01:03:52,794 [siren wailing] 1429 01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:53,622 [gunshot] 1430 01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:55,348 [rock music] 1431 01:03:55,383 --> 01:03:57,316 - I'll kill him. 1432 01:03:57,350 --> 01:03:58,351 - Trust me. 1433 01:03:58,386 --> 01:03:59,870 [screaming] 1434 01:03:59,905 --> 01:04:01,044 That's better. 1435 01:04:01,078 --> 01:04:02,321 - You always remember your first film. 1436 01:04:02,355 --> 01:04:04,495 I'd done, before the film, in high school 1437 01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:07,395 I'd done two shot on video, you know, 1438 01:04:07,429 --> 01:04:09,949 straight to video, never released, 1439 01:04:09,984 --> 01:04:11,192 until actually now. 1440 01:04:11,226 --> 01:04:12,883 The Vinegar Syndrome released Murder Winter 1441 01:04:12,918 --> 01:04:16,024 which I did as a senior in the 80s. 1442 01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:17,992 But it was my first professional film. 1443 01:04:18,026 --> 01:04:20,684 In a way it was very easy because I actually had a crew 1444 01:04:20,718 --> 01:04:22,099 and a cast that wanted to make the film 1445 01:04:22,134 --> 01:04:23,756 versus just friends fooling around 1446 01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:25,931 and I was doing everything on those little movies 1447 01:04:25,965 --> 01:04:28,485 so I finally had support on the film. 1448 01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:31,695 I was, I think, the youngest person on the set 1449 01:04:31,729 --> 01:04:34,008 and the lead actor, who I went to high school with, 1450 01:04:34,042 --> 01:04:35,699 Craig Peck, we were both like 20 at the time. 1451 01:04:35,733 --> 01:04:36,942 Everybody else was older. 1452 01:04:38,288 --> 01:04:40,083 But I planned it out. 1453 01:04:40,117 --> 01:04:41,739 I did a shot list, I was prepared 1454 01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:44,121 and everybody, you know, understood 1455 01:04:44,156 --> 01:04:45,364 that I knew what I was doing 1456 01:04:45,398 --> 01:04:47,090 'cause my father was producing the film 1457 01:04:47,124 --> 01:04:49,644 but they could see that I was making the movie 1458 01:04:49,678 --> 01:04:52,267 and I had a very strong vision on what the film should be. 1459 01:04:52,302 --> 01:04:53,337 - This place is great. 1460 01:04:53,372 --> 01:04:55,961 - Where's the bedrooms? 1461 01:04:55,995 --> 01:04:57,238 - Why don't I take a nice stroll 1462 01:04:57,272 --> 01:04:58,791 down that dirt path into the woods late tonight, 1463 01:04:58,825 --> 01:05:00,275 all by myself? 1464 01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:01,898 - Oh, I think I stepped on something. [screaming] 1465 01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:03,589 - And afterwards I can go skinny dipping in the pond. 1466 01:05:03,623 --> 01:05:04,866 - I don't see anything. 1467 01:05:04,901 --> 01:05:05,936 It was probably nothing. 1468 01:05:05,971 --> 01:05:07,213 - There is something out there. 1469 01:05:07,248 --> 01:05:08,456 Don't forget, I've rented out 1470 01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,354 every single horror film on videotape. 1471 01:05:10,389 --> 01:05:11,942 - He's driving me crazy. 1472 01:05:11,977 --> 01:05:13,944 - [Narrator] There's no need to worry. 1473 01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,118 - What are we talking about here? 1474 01:05:15,152 --> 01:05:17,051 Those things pop out of your stomach 1475 01:05:17,085 --> 01:05:18,190 when you least expect it? 1476 01:05:18,224 --> 01:05:19,122 - Yes, that's it. 1477 01:05:19,156 --> 01:05:20,364 You've seen some movies, too. 1478 01:05:20,399 --> 01:05:21,710 - [Narrator] There is no need to fear. 1479 01:05:21,745 --> 01:05:24,541 - There's nothing out there. 1480 01:05:24,575 --> 01:05:26,163 - [Woman] That's where the rest of the chicken was. 1481 01:05:26,198 --> 01:05:27,544 - Yeah, no more dinner for me. 1482 01:05:27,578 --> 01:05:28,786 - That's insane. 1483 01:05:28,821 --> 01:05:30,167 - [Narrator] There's nothing out there. 1484 01:05:30,202 --> 01:05:32,307 [screaming] 1485 01:05:32,342 --> 01:05:33,136 - Did you hear something? 1486 01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:35,517 [screaming] 1487 01:05:37,312 --> 01:05:38,658 Now, I know I heard something. 1488 01:05:38,693 --> 01:05:39,832 - In the opening of the movie 1489 01:05:39,866 --> 01:05:43,215 there's a stunt where the girl, 1490 01:05:43,249 --> 01:05:44,941 there's a scene in the video store 1491 01:05:44,975 --> 01:05:48,979 which, that was actually added,that was not in the original version of the script. 1492 01:05:49,014 --> 01:05:49,946 The video store opening. 1493 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,431 I had seen Lethal Weapon Two 1494 01:05:52,465 --> 01:05:54,364 and I loved the fact that they began the film 1495 01:05:54,398 --> 01:05:55,572 in the middle of a car chase 1496 01:05:55,606 --> 01:05:56,780 and I thought it would be really fun 1497 01:05:56,814 --> 01:05:58,333 to start the film in the middle of something. 1498 01:05:58,368 --> 01:05:59,817 So we start in the video store 1499 01:05:59,852 --> 01:06:01,026 and we found a real video store 1500 01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,200 and we shot in Pacific Palisades, New York 1501 01:06:03,235 --> 01:06:04,719 and there was a real store 1502 01:06:04,753 --> 01:06:05,962 that the guy let us use 1503 01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:07,549 and those were all the video boxes in there 1504 01:06:07,584 --> 01:06:09,068 and I though it be great to have kind 1505 01:06:09,103 --> 01:06:10,897 of this nightmare sequence where she's being stalked 1506 01:06:10,932 --> 01:06:13,383 by somebody, something and all the video boxes are there 1507 01:06:13,417 --> 01:06:15,109 and don't show the titles, 1508 01:06:15,143 --> 01:06:16,455 so everyone who's a fan can be like, 1509 01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,250 I know that movie, that movie, you recognize all the titles 1510 01:06:18,284 --> 01:06:19,596 and then she wakes up in her car 1511 01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:21,701 and then drives off the road with a big stunt 1512 01:06:21,736 --> 01:06:22,771 and then gets attacked by the creature. 1513 01:06:22,806 --> 01:06:24,394 So it had like a double opening. 1514 01:06:25,222 --> 01:06:26,361 The car jump, 1515 01:06:26,396 --> 01:06:28,122 we had a stunt driver who did that. 1516 01:06:28,156 --> 01:06:29,330 We built the ramp and everything. 1517 01:06:29,364 --> 01:06:30,710 It was like a park, I think, 1518 01:06:30,745 --> 01:06:33,955 and there was a bet about how far 1519 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:35,543 the car was gonna go 1520 01:06:35,577 --> 01:06:38,580 and of course the winner was the driver 1521 01:06:38,615 --> 01:06:40,272 who wound up hitting the ramp 1522 01:06:40,306 --> 01:06:42,308 going like 45 miles an hour versus 30 1523 01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:43,896 and landed on the camera. 1524 01:06:43,930 --> 01:06:44,966 Pulled the plug just before 1525 01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,588 but you can see the shot of it coming in. 1526 01:06:46,623 --> 01:06:48,280 So that was like, oh that was an expensive little stunt 1527 01:06:48,314 --> 01:06:49,729 but looks great on the film. 1528 01:06:49,764 --> 01:06:52,249 This is one of the original, 1529 01:06:52,284 --> 01:06:54,424 I think they only did two or three of these creatures. 1530 01:06:54,458 --> 01:06:56,529 We destroyed most of them in the movie. 1531 01:06:56,564 --> 01:06:58,048 One had a little animatronics, 1532 01:06:59,118 --> 01:07:02,259 so it breathed a little bit and the eyes 1533 01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812 kind of blinked a little bit. 1534 01:07:04,986 --> 01:07:07,851 But this was pretty much our creature that we, 1535 01:07:07,885 --> 01:07:12,580 in the movie, in the finale of the film, especially, 1536 01:07:12,614 --> 01:07:14,754 when it's roaming through the house, 1537 01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:17,930 we put it on a remote control truck 1538 01:07:17,964 --> 01:07:20,208 and drove it around with the camera on the Steadicam 1539 01:07:20,243 --> 01:07:22,003 following it from in front and behind 1540 01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,212 and that's how we got it moving through the floors. 1541 01:07:24,247 --> 01:07:26,180 There was a little bit of puppeteering work being done 1542 01:07:26,214 --> 01:07:28,251 with the creature for some of that, 1543 01:07:28,285 --> 01:07:30,839 when it's kind of doing this and moving around. 1544 01:07:30,874 --> 01:07:33,739 But the tentacles, green slime, 1545 01:07:33,773 --> 01:07:37,018 and yeah this was all created by Scott Hart 1546 01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:38,951 of Imageffects Studio back in 89 1547 01:07:40,297 --> 01:07:44,094 and it's made a few appearance on tape 1548 01:07:44,129 --> 01:07:46,614 but hasn't been seen too often 1549 01:07:46,648 --> 01:07:48,202 and it's amazing that it still holds up 1550 01:07:48,236 --> 01:07:49,479 as well as it does. 1551 01:07:49,513 --> 01:07:51,584 There was a longer tail. I do have the tail end of the part 1552 01:07:51,619 --> 01:07:53,862 but the tail did eventually fall off 'cause it's, you know. 1553 01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:56,313 But this was kind of one of our stunt creatures 1554 01:07:56,348 --> 01:07:58,177 that was sort of salvaged in the movie 1555 01:07:58,212 --> 01:08:01,353 'cause we burnt one up in the stove at the end. 1556 01:08:01,387 --> 01:08:02,285 [laughs] 1557 01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:03,700 They took a lot of abuse. 1558 01:08:03,734 --> 01:08:06,082 [screaming] 1559 01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:09,188 - It's as if his brain has been sucked dry. 1560 01:08:09,223 --> 01:08:12,950 [tense classical music] 1561 01:08:12,985 --> 01:08:14,090 - I say we set a trap. 1562 01:08:17,714 --> 01:08:19,474 The lights, hit it with your lights. 1563 01:08:19,509 --> 01:08:22,857 [tense classical music] 1564 01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:29,105 - [Narrator] The Killer Eye. 1565 01:08:30,244 --> 01:08:32,418 - David DeCoteau I had known for awhile. 1566 01:08:32,453 --> 01:08:33,902 Very nice guy, really friendly, 1567 01:08:33,937 --> 01:08:35,456 gave me a lot of advice on certain things, 1568 01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:37,285 when I was shooting some of these quickie, 1569 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,907 six day erotic movies. 1570 01:08:38,942 --> 01:08:41,393 'Cause he's the master of speed. 1571 01:08:41,427 --> 01:08:43,498 It's amazing what he can do. 1572 01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:45,155 Nobody can do what Dave does. 1573 01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:48,193 So he was gonna do this movie called The Killer Eye 1574 01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:49,918 which was written by Benjamin Carr, 1575 01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:52,749 AKA, you know who he is probably. 1576 01:08:54,371 --> 01:08:56,408 DeCoteau really didn't want to do the movie 1577 01:08:56,442 --> 01:08:57,892 and he didn't like the script. 1578 01:08:57,926 --> 01:08:59,307 So what he wanted to do 1579 01:08:59,342 --> 01:09:01,344 was bring me in to do a rewrite on the script 1580 01:09:01,378 --> 01:09:02,828 and then hopefully convince Charlie Band 1581 01:09:02,862 --> 01:09:04,416 to let me direct the film. 1582 01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:08,109 So I read the script and I was actually 1583 01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:09,352 the only one who didn't hate it. 1584 01:09:09,386 --> 01:09:12,424 I was like, okay it's about a giant eyeball 1585 01:09:12,458 --> 01:09:14,184 that's trying to have sex with women. 1586 01:09:14,219 --> 01:09:16,635 That's different, you know, 1587 01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:19,189 so I thought it could be a lot of fun. 1588 01:09:19,224 --> 01:09:22,330 So I wrote an ambitious little script. 1589 01:09:22,365 --> 01:09:24,021 As I said, if I had directed it, 1590 01:09:24,056 --> 01:09:26,576 the only thing that would have made it like even perfect was if it was a musical. 1591 01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:28,371 Was about a singing, killer eyeball would have been, 1592 01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:33,410 I said it should be like Tremors meets Re-animator, 1593 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:35,412 or whatever it is. 1594 01:09:35,447 --> 01:09:37,000 I mean that was what the vibe should have been. 1595 01:09:37,034 --> 01:09:40,037 So I wrote the script, DeCoteau thought it was great 1596 01:09:40,072 --> 01:09:43,627 but he couldn't convince Charlieto let me direct the film 1597 01:09:43,662 --> 01:09:45,077 at the point. 1598 01:09:45,111 --> 01:09:47,493 So he brought in Matthew Jason Walsh 1599 01:09:47,528 --> 01:09:51,359 to do a toned down version of my script 1600 01:09:51,394 --> 01:09:54,535 and make it doable that he could shoot in four days 1601 01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,813 and that's what he wound up shooting on the film there. 1602 01:09:56,847 --> 01:09:59,436 [storm raging] 1603 01:10:02,094 --> 01:10:04,959 - Bolted doors and windows barred. 1604 01:10:07,617 --> 01:10:10,792 Guard dogs prowling in the yard. 1605 01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:15,970 Won't protect you in your bed. 1606 01:10:17,696 --> 01:10:18,593 [screams] 1607 01:10:18,628 --> 01:10:21,872 Nothing will from Pumpkinhead. 1608 01:10:21,907 --> 01:10:24,047 - And in Pumpkinhead II when I was hired 1609 01:10:24,081 --> 01:10:28,741 to do it was not necessarily a direct to video movie 1610 01:10:28,776 --> 01:10:30,743 even though that was the ultimate, 1611 01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:33,781 probably the ultimate probable destination 1612 01:10:33,815 --> 01:10:37,233 but I remember they were talking when I first, 1613 01:10:37,267 --> 01:10:40,374 the first letter they sent me with the script 1614 01:10:40,408 --> 01:10:45,171 with like oh, MGM, who had some involvement 1615 01:10:45,206 --> 01:10:48,347 in the first movie, might want to put this out theatrically 1616 01:10:48,382 --> 01:10:50,280 so we're hoping for a theatrical release 1617 01:10:50,315 --> 01:10:52,351 but the production situations were such 1618 01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:55,837 that it pretty much damned the movie 1619 01:10:55,872 --> 01:10:59,427 to direct to video no matter how, how it turned out 1620 01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:01,602 and that's one of the things 1621 01:11:01,636 --> 01:11:03,673 with direct to video in the 80s and 90s, 1622 01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:05,778 there certainly was a budgetary component 1623 01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:08,022 primarily to it. 1624 01:11:08,056 --> 01:11:09,920 There were some bigger budget movies 1625 01:11:09,955 --> 01:11:11,439 that went direct to video 1626 01:11:11,474 --> 01:11:13,372 but those were certainly deemed failures 1627 01:11:13,407 --> 01:11:17,756 but in the under a million dollar range movies 1628 01:11:18,929 --> 01:11:20,690 they were almost all, genre movies, 1629 01:11:20,724 --> 01:11:22,933 they were almost invariably going direct to video. 1630 01:11:22,968 --> 01:11:27,455 So Pumpkinhead II ended up direct to video in America. 1631 01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:31,528 Night of the Scarecrow, a movie I did fairly soon after, 1632 01:11:32,702 --> 01:11:36,084 that was, it was a very strange project 1633 01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:38,673 because it wasn't, it was right at that cusp, 1634 01:11:38,708 --> 01:11:41,745 it was right pre Scream where horror 1635 01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:43,126 had really hit a low. 1636 01:11:44,472 --> 01:11:49,477 Certainly theatrically and it was designed to, 1637 01:11:50,616 --> 01:11:51,997 originally the script was written 1638 01:11:52,031 --> 01:11:55,345 to be a knockoff of TheNightmare on Elm Street series, 1639 01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:57,485 so the scarecrow was making wisecracks 1640 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,038 all through it and really being 1641 01:11:59,073 --> 01:12:01,731 kinda a surrogate Freddy Krueger figure 1642 01:12:01,765 --> 01:12:05,113 and would be able to conjure up 1643 01:12:05,148 --> 01:12:09,635 anything and everything in his power 1644 01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:11,361 and was written to be like a five 1645 01:12:11,396 --> 01:12:12,638 or six million dollar movie 1646 01:12:12,673 --> 01:12:15,641 and when Steve White and Barry Bernardi 1647 01:12:15,676 --> 01:12:17,816 two experienced television, 1648 01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:19,300 primarily at that time, television 1649 01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,889 or direct to video producers, 1650 01:12:23,062 --> 01:12:24,409 got ahold of the project 1651 01:12:24,443 --> 01:12:27,998 they bought it in turn around from Corsair Pictures, 1652 01:12:28,033 --> 01:12:31,554 which was a short lived theatrical company 1653 01:12:31,588 --> 01:12:33,763 run by Frank Perry, a very good director 1654 01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:34,798 who did The Swimmer, 1655 01:12:36,006 --> 01:12:38,215 they made a few movie, Shock to the System, 1656 01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:41,011 a few others, that didn't do anything theatrically 1657 01:12:41,046 --> 01:12:42,323 and then kind of folded 1658 01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:45,499 and then Barry and Steve bought the script. 1659 01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:48,398 So, I guess they had attempts to get it made 1660 01:12:48,433 --> 01:12:49,882 and they finally decided, you know, 1661 01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:51,470 we'll make it at a much lower budget 1662 01:12:51,505 --> 01:12:53,403 than originally intended 1663 01:12:53,438 --> 01:12:56,958 and they got Republic Pictures involved 1664 01:12:56,993 --> 01:12:58,788 to help fiance it. 1665 01:12:58,822 --> 01:13:00,237 [tense music] 1666 01:13:00,272 --> 01:13:01,238 - It was an accident, 1667 01:13:01,273 --> 01:13:03,862 what the hell else could it be? 1668 01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,313 - What if it wasn't an accident? 1669 01:13:07,348 --> 01:13:08,384 [gasps] 1670 01:13:08,418 --> 01:13:10,075 - Geeze, you look like you just saw a ghost. 1671 01:13:10,109 --> 01:13:12,008 - It's like they're protecting some nasty little secret 1672 01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:13,319 but nobody knows what it is. 1673 01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:15,977 - [Man] This is hysteria running out of control. 1674 01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:18,428 - Two, maybe three murders in the last two nights, 1675 01:13:18,463 --> 01:13:20,499 it's not being done by a man at all. 1676 01:13:21,431 --> 01:13:22,259 - Hey! 1677 01:13:23,675 --> 01:13:26,091 - If we don't guard him they're all gonna be dead. 1678 01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:27,851 - He has come back. 1679 01:13:31,234 --> 01:13:32,511 - Dad? 1680 01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:35,549 - He will become human again. 1681 01:13:36,446 --> 01:13:37,792 - Dad? 1682 01:13:37,827 --> 01:13:40,346 - No one can stop his power. 1683 01:13:40,381 --> 01:13:44,005 [tense dramatic music] 1684 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,387 [explosion] 1685 01:13:47,526 --> 01:13:49,217 - Republic Pictures was owned by Spelling 1686 01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:51,703 and it was kind of this weird entity 1687 01:13:51,737 --> 01:13:53,601 where they had done some direct 1688 01:13:53,636 --> 01:13:57,329 to video Amityville horror movies, sequels, 1689 01:13:57,363 --> 01:14:00,470 and kind of like reviving the brand 1690 01:14:00,505 --> 01:14:01,782 'cause Republic was a very, 1691 01:14:01,816 --> 01:14:04,750 in the 40s, you know, 30s and 40s and 50s 1692 01:14:04,785 --> 01:14:09,721 a well known studio that did primarily 1693 01:14:11,654 --> 01:14:14,864 kinda cinema fodder for the masses. 1694 01:14:14,898 --> 01:14:17,280 - [Narrator] Out of the darkness of our past. 1695 01:14:18,488 --> 01:14:20,939 Out of the visions of our childhood. 1696 01:14:22,596 --> 01:14:27,186 Comes the one fear we thought we left behind. 1697 01:14:27,221 --> 01:14:31,225 The one nightmare we hoped had gone away. 1698 01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:34,366 But the evil we once invited in 1699 01:14:36,057 --> 01:14:38,474 has found its way back home. 1700 01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:43,444 The Amityville Horror has a new address. 1701 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,480 - No! 1702 01:14:44,514 --> 01:14:47,828 [eerie dramatic music] 1703 01:14:47,862 --> 01:14:49,105 - It's payback time. 1704 01:14:49,139 --> 01:14:50,934 - I think there's a scene in that movie 1705 01:14:51,625 --> 01:14:55,870 where someone gets stung on their butt 1706 01:14:55,905 --> 01:14:58,701 by a wasp or something like that 1707 01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:01,427 and it was a girl in the film 1708 01:15:01,462 --> 01:15:04,534 but they made a mold of my butt [laughs] for it 1709 01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:06,916 for the closeup shot of the thing being done 1710 01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:08,780 and uh [laughing]. 1711 01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:11,679 I remember that very well. 1712 01:15:11,714 --> 01:15:13,370 Someone made a mold of my butt in the phone booth 1713 01:15:13,405 --> 01:15:16,166 and alginate real quick like, 1714 01:15:16,201 --> 01:15:20,032 and I think there's a giant rat in that movie, too. 1715 01:15:21,206 --> 01:15:23,691 We made a giant rat tail out of hot pour vinyl 1716 01:15:23,726 --> 01:15:24,968 and it was attached to a chain, 1717 01:15:25,003 --> 01:15:26,452 which is basically the same material 1718 01:15:26,487 --> 01:15:27,902 that dildoes are made out of. 1719 01:15:27,937 --> 01:15:30,008 But the movie's pretty inventive. 1720 01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:32,735 It has a lot of really cool creative ways 1721 01:15:32,769 --> 01:15:36,428 that they came up with to make the haunting new and fresh 1722 01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:39,569 and I think there's even like a father, 1723 01:15:39,604 --> 01:15:42,814 like a corpse of a father that keeps coming back 1724 01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:46,680 and he decays like more and more throughout the film 1725 01:15:46,714 --> 01:15:48,716 that my boss at the time, 1726 01:15:48,751 --> 01:15:50,718 had built all these different foam prosthetics 1727 01:15:50,753 --> 01:15:53,376 to show the degradation of his cadaver 1728 01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:54,377 throughout the film. 1729 01:15:54,411 --> 01:15:55,309 [cheery bell music] 1730 01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,241 - [Narrator] One cold night, 1731 01:15:56,275 --> 01:15:59,037 science and evil collide. 1732 01:15:59,071 --> 01:16:02,903 [screaming] [cheery rock music] 1733 01:16:02,937 --> 01:16:04,076 - Oh yeah. 1734 01:16:04,111 --> 01:16:06,458 [screaming] 1735 01:16:09,495 --> 01:16:11,636 [roaring] 1736 01:16:13,603 --> 01:16:15,812 [muffled gunshots] 1737 01:16:15,847 --> 01:16:18,608 - [Narrator] Now, a serial killer is on the loose. 1738 01:16:18,643 --> 01:16:21,507 - We haven't tested the acid on an amoeba 1739 01:16:21,542 --> 01:16:23,268 let alone a human cell. 1740 01:16:23,302 --> 01:16:25,097 This is a disaster. 1741 01:16:25,132 --> 01:16:26,720 - [Man] Look, I just something that doesn't belong 1742 01:16:26,754 --> 01:16:29,032 in this world and it's out there killing my friends. 1743 01:16:29,067 --> 01:16:30,240 Now tell me what it is. 1744 01:16:31,345 --> 01:16:32,760 - Jack Frost. 1745 01:16:32,795 --> 01:16:34,866 - Screaming Mad George had been hired 1746 01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:37,800 to do all the makeup effects and the snowman costumes 1747 01:16:37,834 --> 01:16:41,217 for that film, which was a low budget film, 1748 01:16:41,251 --> 01:16:46,222 and his foam fabricator, I heard, 1749 01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,189 he refused to make a snowman. 1750 01:16:48,224 --> 01:16:49,674 He didn't want to make a snowman. 1751 01:16:49,708 --> 01:16:51,192 That's what I heard. 1752 01:16:51,227 --> 01:16:53,712 I don't think the guy just quit for no good reason. 1753 01:16:53,747 --> 01:16:56,404 His good reason was, I don't want to make a snowman. 1754 01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,615 So Mike Deak called me and he said, 1755 01:16:59,649 --> 01:17:02,445 "Hey, man, can you help us out on this?" 1756 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:03,860 and I said, sure. 1757 01:17:03,895 --> 01:17:08,900 You know, so we made at least two complete full suits. 1758 01:17:09,659 --> 01:17:10,833 We made upper bodies. 1759 01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:12,420 I think we made puppet heads, 1760 01:17:12,455 --> 01:17:16,770 including ones with big icicle fangs on it. 1761 01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:20,325 We made a thing for the end where it was supposed 1762 01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,121 to be melting but melted back into a human face 1763 01:17:23,155 --> 01:17:26,469 so it was, and for some reason they didn't use that. 1764 01:17:26,503 --> 01:17:28,126 I thought it looked kind of cool. 1765 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,819 But you know, arms and gags and so forth like that. 1766 01:17:31,854 --> 01:17:33,649 I never went, I went up, 1767 01:17:33,683 --> 01:17:35,374 I think I went to the Lincoln Heights Jail 1768 01:17:35,409 --> 01:17:39,689 or one of the places they were shooting the prison scenes 1769 01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:44,694 but I never went up to Big Bear, 1770 01:17:45,591 --> 01:17:46,731 wherever they were shooting 1771 01:17:46,765 --> 01:17:48,629 and apparently they were shooting 1772 01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:53,669 in the most snowless winter of California history, 1773 01:17:55,118 --> 01:17:56,879 at least recent California history. 1774 01:17:56,913 --> 01:17:58,397 So if you look, you know, 1775 01:17:58,432 --> 01:18:01,400 there's little patches of snow which are actually, 1776 01:18:02,816 --> 01:18:05,370 cotton ground cover things that they would move around 1777 01:18:05,404 --> 01:18:06,647 from shot to shot. 1778 01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,167 So, I love the fact that there's almost 1779 01:18:09,201 --> 01:18:11,825 a completely snowless, ice free parking lot 1780 01:18:11,859 --> 01:18:13,309 and this is where they're having 1781 01:18:13,343 --> 01:18:15,967 their snowman building contest, so. 1782 01:18:16,001 --> 01:18:20,074 But anyway, it was an absolutely silly film 1783 01:18:20,109 --> 01:18:23,353 and it was made for a great first Total Fabrication 1784 01:18:23,388 --> 01:18:26,943 Christmas card, because we had a snowman for god sake 1785 01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:30,740 and also it was also because, 1786 01:18:32,638 --> 01:18:35,745 I remember had just gotten DirecTV 1787 01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,369 and apparently their listings constantly confused 1788 01:18:39,404 --> 01:18:42,787 the Michael Keaton family film by the same title 1789 01:18:42,821 --> 01:18:44,961 with this and I would switch it on. 1790 01:18:44,996 --> 01:18:49,069 I said, no that's not the G-rated film. 1791 01:18:49,103 --> 01:18:51,796 Some parents are probably gonna be a bit upset by this. 1792 01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:54,937 - [Narrator] It's Christmas time again in Snowmonton 1793 01:18:54,971 --> 01:18:56,973 and they want to get away from it away. 1794 01:18:57,008 --> 01:19:00,390 - It was exactly a year ago that it happened. 1795 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,773 - And that's why we should be somewhere else for Christmas. 1796 01:19:03,808 --> 01:19:06,569 [upbeat music] [cheering] 1797 01:19:06,603 --> 01:19:07,812 - Another beauteous day in heaven, eh? 1798 01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:09,572 - Welcome to The Tropicana. 1799 01:19:09,606 --> 01:19:11,539 Your last resort in whole paradise. 1800 01:19:11,574 --> 01:19:13,783 - This is a job for Captain Fun! 1801 01:19:15,302 --> 01:19:16,648 ♪ Jingle bells jingle bells 1802 01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:18,995 - [Narrator] But there's trouble in paradise. 1803 01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:20,445 - Everybody's dead! 1804 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,378 - Oh no, not the scary dude. 1805 01:19:22,412 --> 01:19:24,380 - Scary dude's already here. 1806 01:19:24,414 --> 01:19:25,622 - Let's see, Jack Frost 2 1807 01:19:25,657 --> 01:19:28,833 I worked on set for a couple of days. 1808 01:19:28,867 --> 01:19:31,007 It was shot here in the San Fernando Valley 1809 01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:33,803 in the middle of summer and the whole thing 1810 01:19:33,838 --> 01:19:35,425 takes place in the winter 1811 01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:39,636 and it was shot at a, like a ranch up in, 1812 01:19:41,121 --> 01:19:42,605 I want to say Nordhoff, 1813 01:19:44,331 --> 01:19:45,815 Northridge, Northridge maybe? 1814 01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:49,646 And uh, the entire, all the, 1815 01:19:49,681 --> 01:19:51,959 most people don't know but all the snow in that movie 1816 01:19:51,994 --> 01:19:55,411 was soap and they had these machines 1817 01:19:55,445 --> 01:19:57,965 that they would make like all this sudsy soap 1818 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,830 allover the place and it was shot in the middle of summer. 1819 01:20:00,865 --> 01:20:02,004 So it was hot. 1820 01:20:02,038 --> 01:20:03,626 There was soap allover the ground 1821 01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:04,903 and everybody was walking around 1822 01:20:04,938 --> 01:20:07,250 and literally like the soap was like moldy, 1823 01:20:07,285 --> 01:20:09,874 it was moldy after a week or so 1824 01:20:09,908 --> 01:20:12,669 on the ground with the heat and the water and the moist 1825 01:20:12,704 --> 01:20:15,845 and you know, but it was pretty inventive. 1826 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,881 It looked amazing on camera. 1827 01:20:16,915 --> 01:20:19,159 You would have never known that. 1828 01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:22,887 I just remember coming in for some of the kills, 1829 01:20:22,921 --> 01:20:27,029 helping my boss, at the time, build this giant icicle 1830 01:20:27,063 --> 01:20:29,755 that like impales a lover, two lovers, 1831 01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:30,687 or something like that 1832 01:20:30,722 --> 01:20:33,414 and puppeteering some of the, 1833 01:20:33,449 --> 01:20:35,451 I think there will killer snowballs, I think. 1834 01:20:35,485 --> 01:20:37,902 Little like gremlin like killer snowball puppets 1835 01:20:37,936 --> 01:20:41,664 and helping the stunt performer get into the costume 1836 01:20:41,698 --> 01:20:43,942 for the main killer snowman 1837 01:20:43,977 --> 01:20:48,878 and I do remember that they had a giant carrot nose 1838 01:20:50,052 --> 01:20:52,226 that they used to drop on a miniature ship, 1839 01:20:52,261 --> 01:20:54,332 a miniature boat at the end of the movie, 1840 01:20:54,366 --> 01:20:55,781 like he was melted, right, he was snow 1841 01:20:55,816 --> 01:20:58,267 and then a giant carrot smashes the boat. 1842 01:20:58,301 --> 01:21:00,441 So there was some pretty and innovative things 1843 01:21:00,476 --> 01:21:01,477 they did for that film. 1844 01:21:01,511 --> 01:21:03,513 - [Narrator] The wrong night. 1845 01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:04,825 - What the hell was that? 1846 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,378 - [Narrator] The wrong road. 1847 01:21:06,413 --> 01:21:08,794 - That son of a bitch siphoned our tank. 1848 01:21:08,829 --> 01:21:10,762 - [Narrator] One wrong turn. 1849 01:21:10,796 --> 01:21:12,522 - Guys, maybe we should go back up to the road. 1850 01:21:12,557 --> 01:21:15,663 That way if a car comes then they can call for help. 1851 01:21:15,698 --> 01:21:17,838 - Yeah, right before they kill us. 1852 01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:20,703 - [Narrator] And four teenagers are about to learn 1853 01:21:20,737 --> 01:21:23,602 that when you tell too many scary stories 1854 01:21:23,637 --> 01:21:25,846 you just might end up in one. 1855 01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:28,676 [Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones] 1856 01:21:28,711 --> 01:21:31,093 - I see you [mumbles]! 1857 01:21:31,127 --> 01:21:32,266 - Mom, Mom, Mom! 1858 01:21:32,301 --> 01:21:33,267 There's a man under my bed! 1859 01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:34,924 ♪ Alive today 1860 01:21:34,959 --> 01:21:39,411 ♪ If I don't get no shelter 1861 01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:42,587 ♪ Oh yeah I'm gonna fade away 1862 01:21:42,621 --> 01:21:43,864 - No! 1863 01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:46,384 ♪ Oh children 1864 01:21:47,764 --> 01:21:49,801 - Get away from me! 1865 01:21:49,835 --> 01:21:51,251 ♪ He's just a shot away 1866 01:21:51,285 --> 01:21:54,081 - If they stop me, you lock your doors 1867 01:21:54,116 --> 01:21:55,565 and wait for sun up. 1868 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,568 ♪ He's just a shot away 1869 01:21:58,603 --> 01:22:00,053 - How bizarre was that? 1870 01:22:00,087 --> 01:22:01,640 - [Narrator] Campfire Tales. 1871 01:22:01,675 --> 01:22:04,057 - Lets see, I was brought in on Campfire Tales 1872 01:22:04,091 --> 01:22:07,301 by my special effects peer, Mark Villalobos 1873 01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:09,165 a that the time, and he's like, 1874 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,718 "Joe, come on with me to set. 1875 01:22:10,753 --> 01:22:13,687 We're gonna do this, we're gonna do this bloody scene, 1876 01:22:13,721 --> 01:22:16,483 bloody sequence" and I came in for one day 1877 01:22:16,517 --> 01:22:19,900 and it was a scene in a cabin, I believe, 1878 01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:24,560 that is completely destroyed. 1879 01:22:24,594 --> 01:22:27,080 It looked like a massacre had been taken place inside 1880 01:22:27,114 --> 01:22:30,876 and at the time, the set was custom built 1881 01:22:30,911 --> 01:22:33,707 by the art department and it was shot on location 1882 01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:36,261 but I believe the set was built inside 1883 01:22:36,296 --> 01:22:38,919 of another room on location. 1884 01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:41,335 So someone had come in and literally put a wall 1885 01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,786 over another wall and walls over these walls 1886 01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:45,822 and brought in furniture to make it look like a cabin 1887 01:22:45,857 --> 01:22:47,031 and what not. 1888 01:22:47,065 --> 01:22:48,377 I don't know if the pieces were rented 1889 01:22:48,411 --> 01:22:51,000 or they were built by hand 1890 01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:52,760 but there was this iron stove 1891 01:22:52,795 --> 01:22:54,348 and there was all kinds of stuff in there 1892 01:22:54,383 --> 01:22:56,557 and the director was like, 1893 01:22:56,592 --> 01:22:59,353 "Okay this scene, I want to be the bloodiest, 1894 01:22:59,388 --> 01:23:00,941 bloodiest scene ever." 1895 01:23:00,976 --> 01:23:02,805 He's like, put some blood on the wall. 1896 01:23:02,839 --> 01:23:04,876 So we looked over at the art director, 1897 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,119 who had built this beautiful set 1898 01:23:06,153 --> 01:23:07,741 and we're like, we're gonna put some blood 1899 01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,018 over here on the wall 1900 01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:10,882 and she's like, "Okay but we have to clean it, 1901 01:23:10,916 --> 01:23:12,125 we have to keep it clean, 1902 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,092 I mean I have to shoot it clean tomorrow." 1903 01:23:14,127 --> 01:23:16,129 And I'm like, okay so we go put some blood on the wall 1904 01:23:16,163 --> 01:23:16,992 and the director's like, 1905 01:23:17,026 --> 01:23:17,923 "No, no, no. 1906 01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:19,132 I need more blood than that. 1907 01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:20,374 I need some blood over here 1908 01:23:20,409 --> 01:23:21,997 and then I need blood over there." 1909 01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:23,412 So, we literally went, 1910 01:23:23,446 --> 01:23:25,034 I remember we went back to the car 1911 01:23:25,069 --> 01:23:28,210 to get like another two gallons of blood 1912 01:23:28,244 --> 01:23:29,418 and we emptied it on the walls 1913 01:23:29,452 --> 01:23:30,626 and the director came back and he goes, 1914 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:33,249 "I still see blank spots. 1915 01:23:33,284 --> 01:23:36,218 I need it to be blood all over the walls." 1916 01:23:36,252 --> 01:23:37,840 And I looked over at the art director 1917 01:23:37,874 --> 01:23:38,875 and she just like, 1918 01:23:40,049 --> 01:23:43,604 like in the nicest possible voice, 1919 01:23:43,639 --> 01:23:48,540 all she said was, "But it has to be clean for tomorrow." 1920 01:23:48,575 --> 01:23:50,542 And we went in and filled in the rest of the wall 1921 01:23:50,577 --> 01:23:51,681 and I have a picture. 1922 01:23:51,716 --> 01:23:53,166 It's like my memory from that, 1923 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,376 just a picture we destroyed this beautiful set with blood. 1924 01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:58,067 I have no, I didn't go back the next day. 1925 01:23:58,102 --> 01:24:00,656 I don't know how they were able to clean that up 1926 01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:03,348 or what happened or how they shot that. 1927 01:24:03,383 --> 01:24:04,867 So [laughs]. 1928 01:24:04,901 --> 01:24:07,387 [eerie music] 1929 01:24:10,735 --> 01:24:14,014 - [Narrator] Welcome to Hall House. 1930 01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:16,189 - According to the legend, it's not haunted. 1931 01:24:18,846 --> 01:24:20,365 It's possessed. 1932 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,711 A gateway to hell. 1933 01:24:21,746 --> 01:24:23,437 - [Narrator] Where this Halloween, 1934 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,545 Angela's planning one hell of a party. 1935 01:24:28,477 --> 01:24:29,685 - Come. 1936 01:24:29,719 --> 01:24:31,411 - [Narrator] A night filled with tricks 1937 01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:35,000 and deadly treats. 1938 01:24:35,035 --> 01:24:40,040 [screaming] [epic dramatic music] 1939 01:25:06,825 --> 01:25:08,655 Night of the Demons 3. 1940 01:25:09,725 --> 01:25:11,106 - I remember there was like a giant long 1941 01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:12,417 like serpent tongue that comes out 1942 01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:13,970 of Angela's mouth at one point 1943 01:25:14,005 --> 01:25:16,697 and goes through the back of someone's head, I believe. 1944 01:25:18,182 --> 01:25:20,667 The front part of it is an actual prosthetic 1945 01:25:20,701 --> 01:25:22,289 that the actress wore in her mouth 1946 01:25:22,324 --> 01:25:23,566 but then the actual tongue, 1947 01:25:23,601 --> 01:25:26,190 the long big tongue was fabricated out of foam 1948 01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:28,053 and I put it on the end of a pole 1949 01:25:28,088 --> 01:25:29,745 so it could be shoved out the fake out 1950 01:25:29,779 --> 01:25:31,126 and through the back of the guy's head. 1951 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,058 - I do remember when I wrote it 1952 01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:37,062 and then talking to the director by phone, 1953 01:25:37,097 --> 01:25:38,754 who had not seen the first two, 1954 01:25:38,788 --> 01:25:41,446 and I could tell he had no feel for the material, 1955 01:25:41,481 --> 01:25:43,103 he hadn't seen the first two. 1956 01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:45,416 He was gonna take this script, 1957 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:47,521 which was a Night of the Demons script, 1958 01:25:47,556 --> 01:25:50,214 which I went back and read Joe's first two scripts, 1959 01:25:50,248 --> 01:25:53,872 Night of the Demons one and copied the feeling 1960 01:25:53,907 --> 01:25:55,943 and the dialog and the characters. 1961 01:25:55,978 --> 01:25:57,393 So it was like a high school romp 1962 01:25:57,428 --> 01:26:00,189 with a lot of blood and gore and nudity 1963 01:26:00,224 --> 01:26:04,055 and this guy was trying to make The Exorcist 1964 01:26:04,089 --> 01:26:05,539 and it's like. 1965 01:26:05,574 --> 01:26:08,991 - [Narrator] Some secrets should never be learned. 1966 01:26:10,165 --> 01:26:13,823 Some borders should never be crossed. 1967 01:26:14,755 --> 01:26:16,136 Some games. 1968 01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,310 - Are you here? 1969 01:26:17,344 --> 01:26:18,621 - [Narrator] Should never be played. 1970 01:26:19,657 --> 01:26:21,383 Witchboard 2. 1971 01:26:21,417 --> 01:26:22,901 - What happened was Republic Pictures 1972 01:26:22,936 --> 01:26:25,214 picked up to the rights to the original Witchboard 1973 01:26:25,249 --> 01:26:27,768 and Night of the Demons for video distribution 1974 01:26:27,803 --> 01:26:29,770 and they were both such big hits for them 1975 01:26:29,805 --> 01:26:32,946 that they commissioned that some company 1976 01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:36,225 to make two sequels to Witchboard 1977 01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:38,296 and two sequels to Night of the Demons. 1978 01:26:38,331 --> 01:26:40,402 So this was the first time they didn't have 1979 01:26:40,436 --> 01:26:42,197 to go out and raise the money themselves, 1980 01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:44,164 Republic gave them the money 1981 01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:48,720 and basically they became producers for hire. 1982 01:26:48,755 --> 01:26:51,792 So they made two Witchboard sequels 1983 01:26:51,827 --> 01:26:53,622 and two Night of the Demon sequels 1984 01:26:53,656 --> 01:26:56,176 and Witchboard 2 was the first. 1985 01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:58,247 So they did come out in some theaters, 1986 01:26:58,282 --> 01:27:00,836 like in very niche markets 1987 01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:03,494 but it never had the wide release 1988 01:27:03,528 --> 01:27:05,772 that the original Witchboard had had, obviously. 1989 01:27:05,806 --> 01:27:08,050 Limited to my hometown, I think. 1990 01:27:08,084 --> 01:27:10,570 No, that's the one place it didn't play. 1991 01:27:11,916 --> 01:27:14,919 [eerie tense music] 1992 01:27:16,886 --> 01:27:18,923 [screaming] 1993 01:27:18,957 --> 01:27:21,960 [eerie tense music] 1994 01:27:26,448 --> 01:27:28,864 [screaming] 1995 01:27:39,115 --> 01:27:40,565 The guys who made Witchboard 1996 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,808 and Night of the Demons got hired. 1997 01:27:41,842 --> 01:27:43,465 Now that they were producers for hire, 1998 01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:45,087 they were getting hired by other companies. 1999 01:27:45,121 --> 01:27:49,091 Trimark, because of their success with Leprechaun, 2000 01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:51,438 wanted to do a Pinocchio film 2001 01:27:51,473 --> 01:27:53,820 and they had found a script 2002 01:27:53,854 --> 01:27:55,580 and they were gonna make it 2003 01:27:55,615 --> 01:27:58,928 and they were gonna make it for like 1.5 million 2004 01:27:59,791 --> 01:28:01,034 but the guy who wrote the script 2005 01:28:01,068 --> 01:28:03,416 was a first time writer slash director 2006 01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:06,211 and he was convinced this thing was 2007 01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:08,075 the next Gone with the Wind 2008 01:28:08,110 --> 01:28:10,146 and he wouldn't agree to do it 2009 01:28:10,181 --> 01:28:13,046 if the budget was less than three million. 2010 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,980 So I think it was called Bad Pinocchio. 2011 01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:18,016 I don't remember who the writer was, 2012 01:28:18,051 --> 01:28:22,573 I read it and, not a fan. 2013 01:28:22,607 --> 01:28:24,091 It was pretty silly 2014 01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:26,370 but I wasn't a big fan of the Leprechaun films either. 2015 01:28:26,404 --> 01:28:29,683 I know that's sacrilege to all you Leprechaun fans 2016 01:28:29,718 --> 01:28:32,341 out there and my brother did do the score for two of them 2017 01:28:32,376 --> 01:28:36,518 but I'm not a big fan of the Leprechaun films 2018 01:28:36,552 --> 01:28:39,348 and Trimark had asked me, 2019 01:28:39,383 --> 01:28:41,419 tried to get me to do part two and then part three 2020 01:28:41,454 --> 01:28:42,731 and I turned them down. 2021 01:28:42,765 --> 01:28:44,457 So I think this was their way. 2022 01:28:45,354 --> 01:28:46,838 So when that fell through. 2023 01:28:46,873 --> 01:28:49,807 When the Bad Pinocchio fell through, 2024 01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:51,809 these guys at Paragon were kind 2025 01:28:51,843 --> 01:28:53,638 of gonna be out of work now. 2026 01:28:53,673 --> 01:28:57,539 So they really quickly said to Mark Amin, 2027 01:28:57,573 --> 01:28:59,195 "Well you know, this guy doesn't own the rights 2028 01:28:59,230 --> 01:29:02,060 to Pinocchio, we can't do his script 2029 01:29:02,095 --> 01:29:04,787 but we can still do a killer Pinocchio film" 2030 01:29:04,822 --> 01:29:06,962 and Mark said, "yeah but who would" 2031 01:29:06,996 --> 01:29:08,515 and they said, "what if we get Kevin?" 2032 01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:10,655 and he was like, "You'll never get Kevin 2033 01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:13,348 'cause he keeps turning down the Leprechaun films." 2034 01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:18,491 So they came to me and I said I would agree to do it 2035 01:29:18,525 --> 01:29:20,355 if it could be more like magic 2036 01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,598 and less like Child's Play. 2037 01:29:22,633 --> 01:29:24,704 'Cause I really didn't want to do a Child's Play. 2038 01:29:24,738 --> 01:29:26,533 I'm not a big fan of the big puppets. 2039 01:29:26,568 --> 01:29:27,672 As a matter of fact, 2040 01:29:27,707 --> 01:29:28,949 I would never had written and directed Pinocchio 2041 01:29:28,984 --> 01:29:30,744 as a spec ever. 2042 01:29:30,779 --> 01:29:32,643 It was because it was a work for hire. 2043 01:29:32,677 --> 01:29:35,784 But I said, I would beinterested if I could do it more 2044 01:29:35,818 --> 01:29:37,061 it's a psychological thriller 2045 01:29:37,095 --> 01:29:38,752 and at the end you don't really know 2046 01:29:38,787 --> 01:29:41,341 and they were like, oh, they weren't crazy about that 2047 01:29:41,376 --> 01:29:42,791 and I said, Here's what we'll do. 2048 01:29:42,825 --> 01:29:44,724 In the final scene she gets hit in the head 2049 01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:46,864 and she sees the Pinocchio doll attack her 2050 01:29:46,898 --> 01:29:49,556 but then at the end, she say well she had been hit 2051 01:29:49,591 --> 01:29:51,558 in the head, maybe she imagined it 2052 01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,457 and it was really her daughter attacking her. 2053 01:29:53,491 --> 01:29:56,460 That way, you still get the attacking Pinocchio 2054 01:29:56,494 --> 01:30:00,878 for your trailer, but I still get my ambiguous ending 2055 01:30:00,912 --> 01:30:02,914 and they wanted a killer puppet. 2056 01:30:02,949 --> 01:30:05,261 So that was the compromise we made. 2057 01:30:05,296 --> 01:30:06,539 - I'm back. 2058 01:30:06,573 --> 01:30:09,058 - I barely remember working in Leprechaun 2 2059 01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:12,096 and you know what, I've seen Warwick Davis a few times, 2060 01:30:12,130 --> 01:30:13,615 and first of all, 2061 01:30:13,649 --> 01:30:17,722 it's wonderful, Ron knew him from Willow 2062 01:30:17,757 --> 01:30:20,449 but the fact that he got this horror franchise 2063 01:30:20,484 --> 01:30:25,281 as a little person, limited casting options, 2064 01:30:25,316 --> 01:30:26,455 he cashed in. 2065 01:30:26,490 --> 01:30:31,046 That whole character was a complete re shoot, 2066 01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,531 that character didn't exist in the first draft 2067 01:30:33,566 --> 01:30:37,397 of the script and I actually auditioned for the movie 2068 01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,813 and didn't get a role. 2069 01:30:39,848 --> 01:30:41,263 The director, Tony Randel, 2070 01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:43,645 I never really talked to him about, 2071 01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,267 but I never got the call 2072 01:30:45,301 --> 01:30:46,820 and Dad worked on it 2073 01:30:46,855 --> 01:30:51,238 and then I got a call from Tony 2074 01:30:51,273 --> 01:30:53,033 saying that they just felt like they needed 2075 01:30:53,068 --> 01:30:55,484 some more horror, some more, 2076 01:30:55,519 --> 01:30:57,417 you know, what they needed. 2077 01:30:57,452 --> 01:30:59,488 It was too much standing around and talking 2078 01:30:59,523 --> 01:31:01,801 and they invented my character, 2079 01:31:01,835 --> 01:31:04,597 which is hard for me to imagine 2080 01:31:04,631 --> 01:31:07,634 because it's such a central character in the story, 2081 01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:09,705 but the idea is you never really saw the ticks, 2082 01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:12,570 how they got steroid-ed up, 2083 01:31:12,605 --> 01:31:14,365 you know and so you meet me 2084 01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:15,746 and we shot all night 2085 01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:20,716 and it had to been 32 degrees out in Malibu, 2086 01:31:22,615 --> 01:31:24,133 'cause we were out in Malibu canyon 2087 01:31:24,168 --> 01:31:26,998 and it was sure nice to have that makeup on, 2088 01:31:27,033 --> 01:31:29,518 'cause it makes you a lot warmer 2089 01:31:29,553 --> 01:31:32,521 and I remember I'm infested, 2090 01:31:32,556 --> 01:31:35,179 because finally it was kind of so late at night 2091 01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:37,457 and it was so crazy that when it was time 2092 01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:39,286 to really go for it. 2093 01:31:39,321 --> 01:31:40,425 I'm infected! 2094 01:31:41,634 --> 01:31:44,015 Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four was, 2095 01:31:44,050 --> 01:31:46,293 I thought was a really good experience. 2096 01:31:46,328 --> 01:31:49,089 Brian Yuzna was an old friend of mine 2097 01:31:49,124 --> 01:31:52,921 and we had worked together partially in a few things 2098 01:31:52,955 --> 01:31:56,441 but he directs and he was the guy that did 2099 01:31:56,476 --> 01:31:59,652 the Bride of Re-Animator, the Re-Animator movies, 2100 01:31:59,686 --> 01:32:01,170 he produced them. 2101 01:32:01,205 --> 01:32:04,208 He was making this Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four, 2102 01:32:04,242 --> 01:32:06,659 and it had nothing to do with Christmas, 2103 01:32:06,693 --> 01:32:09,489 it had nothing to do with Silent Night Deadly Night 2104 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,491 Part Three, Brian didn't care 2105 01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:15,184 and there was a guy named Screaming Mad George, 2106 01:32:15,219 --> 01:32:16,496 who did the special effects, 2107 01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:18,084 they were just a lot of gooey, 2108 01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:19,672 kind of slimy creatures 2109 01:32:19,706 --> 01:32:24,711 and I played, I played a homeless guy 2110 01:32:26,092 --> 01:32:28,059 that was sort of the henchman of these witches. 2111 01:32:28,094 --> 01:32:31,131 I went and got a 12-pack and was drinking it. 2112 01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:32,408 I was playing a homeless guy. 2113 01:32:32,443 --> 01:32:34,859 I could afford to have a little buzz 2114 01:32:34,894 --> 01:32:36,930 and I remember the production manager 2115 01:32:36,965 --> 01:32:39,795 took away my 12-pack after I had three or four 2116 01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:41,763 and that really pissed me off 2117 01:32:41,797 --> 01:32:43,592 and I went and bought another 12-pack 2118 01:32:43,627 --> 01:32:44,835 the first break I had. 2119 01:32:44,869 --> 01:32:46,457 - [Narrator] A bizarre event. 2120 01:32:46,491 --> 01:32:47,941 - This would make a great story. 2121 01:32:47,976 --> 01:32:51,807 - [Narrator] For her, it was the chance of a lifetime. 2122 01:32:51,842 --> 01:32:55,155 - I work for the LA Eye, I'm an investigative reporter. 2123 01:32:55,190 --> 01:32:57,226 There's got to be some logical explanation for the burning. 2124 01:32:57,261 --> 01:32:59,435 - [Narrator] But some questions. 2125 01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:01,472 - Get away from me, leave me alone. 2126 01:33:01,506 --> 01:33:03,578 - [Narrator] Are better left unanswered. 2127 01:33:03,612 --> 01:33:06,373 - What happened, are you all right? 2128 01:33:06,408 --> 01:33:07,651 The woman who jumped. 2129 01:33:07,685 --> 01:33:09,066 - She was my daughter. 2130 01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,516 But now you've come to take her place. 2131 01:33:11,551 --> 01:33:13,104 - Make your fear real. 2132 01:33:13,139 --> 01:33:13,898 Get it out. 2133 01:33:15,348 --> 01:33:18,213 - [Narrator] It's the night you've been waiting for. 2134 01:33:18,247 --> 01:33:19,283 - Please help. 2135 01:33:19,317 --> 01:33:20,525 - Kill the man. 2136 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,597 Became a whole woman. 2137 01:33:22,631 --> 01:33:24,046 [screaming] 2138 01:33:24,081 --> 01:33:25,738 - [Narrator] The night you've been screaming for. 2139 01:33:25,772 --> 01:33:27,256 - It's the final step. 2140 01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:30,087 - [Narrator] Silent Night Deadly Night 4. 2141 01:33:30,121 --> 01:33:31,536 Initiation. 2142 01:33:31,571 --> 01:33:32,399 - Clint was great. 2143 01:33:32,434 --> 01:33:33,918 He's really a good actor 2144 01:33:33,953 --> 01:33:37,059 and very easy going on the set. 2145 01:33:37,094 --> 01:33:40,787 So when the first Silent Night Deadly Night movie came out 2146 01:33:41,719 --> 01:33:44,066 Santa Claus was the killer. 2147 01:33:44,101 --> 01:33:46,034 That's not right. 2148 01:33:46,068 --> 01:33:47,932 There are lines that you don't cross 2149 01:33:47,967 --> 01:33:49,140 and that's one of them. 2150 01:33:49,175 --> 01:33:50,625 You don't make Santa Clause a killer 2151 01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:54,663 and I vowed, you know, all of like 29 years old, 2152 01:33:54,698 --> 01:33:57,562 well I'm never gonna do a Santa Claus killer movie, 2153 01:33:57,597 --> 01:33:58,633 'cause that's not okay. 2154 01:33:58,667 --> 01:34:00,082 That is not okay. 2155 01:34:00,117 --> 01:34:01,394 You can't cross that line. 2156 01:34:01,428 --> 01:34:04,984 So, fast forward, you know, a year later, 2157 01:34:05,018 --> 01:34:06,399 two, three years later. 2158 01:34:06,433 --> 01:34:07,745 I'm going in on this audition 2159 01:34:07,780 --> 01:34:10,472 and I've already done a couple horror films 2160 01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:16,512 and I go in for this movie called The Initiation. 2161 01:34:16,547 --> 01:34:19,584 Now very often, you don't get to see the script, 2162 01:34:19,619 --> 01:34:21,345 you just get like three scenes. 2163 01:34:21,379 --> 01:34:24,175 So I do my scenes, they call me back, 2164 01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:26,833 it goes well, I'm feeling great. 2165 01:34:26,868 --> 01:34:29,422 Go back again, get the part. 2166 01:34:29,456 --> 01:34:31,700 I'm meeting a buddy, I'm on my way home, 2167 01:34:31,735 --> 01:34:33,460 my buddy's gonna meet me at my house, 2168 01:34:33,495 --> 01:34:34,979 we're gonna head to a party or something afterwards. 2169 01:34:35,014 --> 01:34:36,429 He's in the driveway. 2170 01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,294 He's like, "Hey, Tommy how'd it go? 2171 01:34:39,328 --> 01:34:41,020 I go, I got the part. 2172 01:34:41,054 --> 01:34:42,228 He goes, "What was that again?" 2173 01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,264 I go, it's a movie called The Initiation. 2174 01:34:44,299 --> 01:34:46,439 He's like, "Oh, right. 2175 01:34:46,473 --> 01:34:47,958 Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four." 2176 01:34:47,992 --> 01:34:49,614 I go, no, no. 2177 01:34:49,649 --> 01:34:51,478 It's called The Initiation. 2178 01:34:51,513 --> 01:34:55,034 He's like, "No, Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four, 2179 01:34:55,068 --> 01:34:56,000 The Initiation. 2180 01:34:56,035 --> 01:34:57,450 I'm like, no! 2181 01:34:57,484 --> 01:34:59,728 I said I would never do one. 2182 01:34:59,763 --> 01:35:01,592 When I read the script finally, 2183 01:35:01,626 --> 01:35:04,422 when they finally gave me a script to read, 2184 01:35:04,457 --> 01:35:09,324 like the first page, I am, my character 2185 01:35:09,358 --> 01:35:13,949 is having sex with this woman up against the wall 2186 01:35:13,984 --> 01:35:16,331 in a seedy hotel shot from behind 2187 01:35:16,365 --> 01:35:20,576 and I'm like, oh, oh. 2188 01:35:20,611 --> 01:35:22,440 Okay, wow. 2189 01:35:23,614 --> 01:35:27,549 My butt is gonna be on film for eternity. 2190 01:35:28,999 --> 01:35:31,553 I'm gonna have the best looking butt in the business 2191 01:35:31,587 --> 01:35:34,901 and so for the next, you know, whatever it was. 2192 01:35:34,936 --> 01:35:36,420 I was already in pretty good shape 2193 01:35:36,454 --> 01:35:39,630 but for the next few weeks I'm just like, 2194 01:35:39,664 --> 01:35:42,322 doing butt exercises, doing butt exercises 2195 01:35:42,357 --> 01:35:43,945 'cause my butts gonna look awesome. 2196 01:35:43,979 --> 01:35:47,500 See the movie, they didn't use that part. 2197 01:35:47,534 --> 01:35:49,053 I'm like, come on! 2198 01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,641 My butt looked great 2199 01:35:50,675 --> 01:35:52,781 and I didn't even realize back that 2200 01:35:52,816 --> 01:35:57,372 that it had such a like Hitchcockian thing about it 2201 01:35:57,406 --> 01:35:58,994 and it is really cool 2202 01:35:59,029 --> 01:36:03,136 and I found myself just riveted just watching 2203 01:36:03,171 --> 01:36:05,035 Neith and what so goes through 2204 01:36:05,069 --> 01:36:07,589 and what's going on in her mind. 2205 01:36:07,623 --> 01:36:09,487 She always had stuff going on. 2206 01:36:09,522 --> 01:36:11,075 I mean there's not like a lot of moments 2207 01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:14,389 on the screen where you don't see the wheels just turning. 2208 01:36:14,423 --> 01:36:17,668 - There are no bad days here at Wishing Well. 2209 01:36:17,702 --> 01:36:19,463 Only happy days. 2210 01:36:19,497 --> 01:36:21,327 [screaming] 2211 01:36:21,361 --> 01:36:22,707 - Open wide, Gregory. 2212 01:36:22,742 --> 01:36:24,330 - [Narrator] It is a happy day, 2213 01:36:24,364 --> 01:36:27,643 now he's out, rehabilitated with a brand new job. 2214 01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:29,059 - Here you go. 2215 01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:32,821 - I'd like to buy a gallon of your hard pack. 2216 01:36:32,856 --> 01:36:36,100 - Next. 2217 01:36:36,135 --> 01:36:38,102 You didn't say please. 2218 01:36:38,137 --> 01:36:40,242 - Did you see little Rodger Smith today? 2219 01:36:40,277 --> 01:36:41,692 - He was that park, why? 2220 01:36:41,726 --> 01:36:42,727 [screaming] 2221 01:36:42,762 --> 01:36:44,212 - We got a missing kid. 2222 01:36:44,246 --> 01:36:46,524 - [Narrator] His ice cream has a secret ingredient. 2223 01:36:46,559 --> 01:36:47,940 - What the hell is that ice cream dork 2224 01:36:47,974 --> 01:36:49,631 doing out this late? 2225 01:36:49,665 --> 01:36:51,253 - What's your favorite flavor? 2226 01:36:51,288 --> 01:36:52,496 - Wow. 2227 01:36:52,530 --> 01:36:54,463 - Oh, he's so kind to the little children. 2228 01:36:54,498 --> 01:36:56,017 - I brought you something special. 2229 01:36:56,051 --> 01:36:58,364 - Oh, sounds yummy. 2230 01:36:58,398 --> 01:36:59,986 [screaming] 2231 01:37:00,021 --> 01:37:01,470 - [Interviewer] I know that you told me beforeon the phone you didn't believe 2232 01:37:01,505 --> 01:37:02,678 I actually watched [mumbles]. 2233 01:37:02,713 --> 01:37:04,128 Is that your internal attitude on it? 2234 01:37:04,163 --> 01:37:04,957 - Well, yeah. 2235 01:37:04,991 --> 01:37:06,924 I would have $50, 2236 01:37:06,959 --> 01:37:09,789 a $50 bounty, a prize, 2237 01:37:09,824 --> 01:37:11,860 if anybody can prove to me that they just 2238 01:37:11,895 --> 01:37:13,344 would sit and watch it just straight through, 2239 01:37:13,379 --> 01:37:16,831 like waste two hours of their life watching the movie. 2240 01:37:16,865 --> 01:37:18,315 I'll give you $50. 2241 01:37:19,730 --> 01:37:22,077 I've never really had anybody step up and do it. 2242 01:37:22,112 --> 01:37:24,355 They've talked about and they say they've seen it 2243 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:26,875 but to actually say, no I'm gonna watch it 2244 01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:29,705 and you know I'll put it on tape that I'm watching it, 2245 01:37:29,740 --> 01:37:30,810 you get $50. 2246 01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:32,225 I had a blast making it 2247 01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:35,332 and Norman and I are really close friends, 2248 01:37:35,366 --> 01:37:36,540 the fellow that directed it 2249 01:37:36,574 --> 01:37:38,714 and it was an important part, 2250 01:37:38,749 --> 01:37:40,647 an important time in my life 2251 01:37:40,682 --> 01:37:42,580 and getting to play the lead 2252 01:37:42,615 --> 01:37:45,135 was something that, you know, 2253 01:37:45,169 --> 01:37:46,895 actors that's what we strive for. 2254 01:37:46,930 --> 01:37:51,382 I mean all actors dream of being the matinee idol, 2255 01:37:51,417 --> 01:37:53,074 and I wasn't gonna be the matinee idol 2256 01:37:53,108 --> 01:37:54,903 but I, you know, I want my sirloin. 2257 01:37:54,938 --> 01:37:57,457 [eerie music] 2258 01:38:11,126 --> 01:38:13,888 - [Narrator] Dr. Allen Feinstone is back in business. 2259 01:38:13,922 --> 01:38:15,613 - [Man] Just a small country practice. 2260 01:38:15,648 --> 01:38:17,374 - [Narrator] Doing what he does best. 2261 01:38:17,408 --> 01:38:18,754 - Want to open wide? 2262 01:38:18,789 --> 01:38:20,308 - [Narrator] He's practicing under a new name. 2263 01:38:20,342 --> 01:38:22,758 - Jamie Devers, Dr. Lawrence Caine. 2264 01:38:22,793 --> 01:38:23,967 - Hi. 2265 01:38:24,001 --> 01:38:25,692 - Larry's just moved here to Paradise. 2266 01:38:25,727 --> 01:38:26,935 - I think I'm gonna like it here. 2267 01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:28,143 - [Narrator] And he's given his patience. 2268 01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:29,455 - Smile. 2269 01:38:29,489 --> 01:38:31,146 - [Narrator] The care they deserve. 2270 01:38:31,181 --> 01:38:34,839 - I got a feeling he's gonna be real good for this town. 2271 01:38:34,874 --> 01:38:36,151 - Whats wrong? 2272 01:38:36,186 --> 01:38:37,290 - A little toothache. 2273 01:38:37,325 --> 01:38:38,705 - May I look at it? 2274 01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:39,879 - Is it gonna hurt. 2275 01:38:39,914 --> 01:38:40,915 - Shouldn't. 2276 01:38:40,949 --> 01:38:42,502 - Dentist 2 is one of those ones 2277 01:38:42,537 --> 01:38:45,057 I'm really proud I got that notch in my gun belt. 2278 01:38:45,091 --> 01:38:48,129 Corbin Bernsen, Brian Yuzna again 2279 01:38:48,163 --> 01:38:50,372 and the wonderful thing about working 2280 01:38:50,407 --> 01:38:51,580 for Brian back in the day 2281 01:38:51,615 --> 01:38:54,963 is, of course, you get a little neurotic 2282 01:38:54,998 --> 01:38:56,447 when nobody gives you any notes. 2283 01:38:56,482 --> 01:38:57,690 It's like, how was I? 2284 01:38:57,724 --> 01:38:58,898 Did it work? 2285 01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:01,556 Does the scene work, too intense or whatever? 2286 01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:03,351 And Brian, very early on said, 2287 01:39:03,385 --> 01:39:06,216 "You know, I'm not an actor. 2288 01:39:06,250 --> 01:39:07,493 You're a lot better actor than I am. 2289 01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:09,322 I'm gonna leave the acting choices to you 2290 01:39:09,357 --> 01:39:11,946 and let me just do the, handle the shots." 2291 01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:15,328 So, by the time we did Dentist 2, 2292 01:39:15,363 --> 01:39:17,330 I mean listen, Corbin and I just were chewing 2293 01:39:17,365 --> 01:39:20,747 on the scenery, we had fun, we staged it. 2294 01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:22,128 The fake needle in the ear 2295 01:39:24,096 --> 01:39:26,581 and I still, if I had a product really, 2296 01:39:26,615 --> 01:39:27,892 it would be on it. 2297 01:39:27,927 --> 01:39:30,585 It, 'cause I just feel like 2298 01:39:30,619 --> 01:39:32,138 that that's one of those ones, 2299 01:39:33,726 --> 01:39:36,832 yeah, listen, look at the way Corbin was playing it 2300 01:39:36,867 --> 01:39:38,973 and the way, you know Mr. Toothache 2301 01:39:39,007 --> 01:39:40,491 was my character's name 2302 01:39:40,526 --> 01:39:43,701 and that insert shot of the pus was just 2303 01:39:43,736 --> 01:39:47,912 so ridiculously grotesquely bad, it's good. 2304 01:39:47,947 --> 01:39:52,952 It just summarizes that movie, that era, that time. 2305 01:39:53,677 --> 01:39:55,161 - 90s horror is great 2306 01:39:55,196 --> 01:39:57,129 and a lot of that came from the direct to video movies. 2307 01:39:57,163 --> 01:39:58,440 I mean, Dr. Giggles. 2308 01:39:58,475 --> 01:40:02,272 - Return of the Living Dead III, Mindy Clarke. 2309 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:04,308 - Let's proceed. 2310 01:40:05,654 --> 01:40:07,035 - Don't worry, they can't see us. 2311 01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,521 - [Narrator] Beyond the laws of nature. 2312 01:40:10,556 --> 01:40:11,453 - We've got something. 2313 01:40:11,488 --> 01:40:13,559 - They came back to life. 2314 01:40:13,593 --> 01:40:15,733 - [Narrator] Beyond the limits of love. 2315 01:40:15,768 --> 01:40:18,874 [screaming] 2316 01:40:18,909 --> 01:40:20,083 - Julie. 2317 01:40:20,117 --> 01:40:22,464 - [Narrator] Beyond the silence of death. 2318 01:40:24,225 --> 01:40:25,916 She has returned 2319 01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:28,953 to take you on a joy ride through hell. 2320 01:40:28,988 --> 01:40:31,404 [rock music] 2321 01:40:34,097 --> 01:40:36,099 - She's dead, isn't she? 2322 01:40:36,133 --> 01:40:37,065 [screaming] 2323 01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,516 [rock music] 2324 01:40:42,726 --> 01:40:46,005 - If she attacks him, he becomes like her. 2325 01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:47,282 [screaming] 2326 01:40:47,317 --> 01:40:48,145 - No! 2327 01:40:50,492 --> 01:40:54,151 - She was the most bad ass cool, 2328 01:40:54,186 --> 01:40:57,396 like she kind of reminded me of a bit 2329 01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:59,294 of a Angela in Night of the Demons, 2330 01:40:59,329 --> 01:41:01,917 Amelia Kinkade, kind of just cool and sexy 2331 01:41:01,952 --> 01:41:03,367 and badass and then its like, 2332 01:41:03,402 --> 01:41:05,507 when she had to start shoving glass into her face 2333 01:41:05,542 --> 01:41:06,819 and needles into her fingers, 2334 01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:08,234 you're like holy shit! 2335 01:41:08,269 --> 01:41:10,857 This chick is crazy and she's cool 2336 01:41:10,892 --> 01:41:12,307 and she's still sexy. 2337 01:41:12,342 --> 01:41:15,138 I think kind of with like the death of DVD 2338 01:41:15,172 --> 01:41:16,691 and like video store movies 2339 01:41:16,725 --> 01:41:19,659 may have been like the death of the scream queen. 2340 01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,112 Just because like the genres much bigger now 2341 01:41:24,147 --> 01:41:26,735 but you don't have that thing. 2342 01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:27,978 Like you're not going to Netflix 2343 01:41:28,012 --> 01:41:31,119 just to search for a Tiffany movie anymore, 2344 01:41:31,154 --> 01:41:32,534 or so and so. 2345 01:41:32,569 --> 01:41:34,847 Like where you used to go to Blockbuster and you'd like go, oh 2346 01:41:34,881 --> 01:41:36,297 oh my god, look at this, she's in this one 2347 01:41:36,331 --> 01:41:37,781 and she's in this one and she's in this one 2348 01:41:37,815 --> 01:41:39,196 and like those were the things 2349 01:41:39,231 --> 01:41:41,716 that you had much smaller pool to chose from. 2350 01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:44,443 So obviously people like me you get elevated more. 2351 01:41:44,477 --> 01:41:47,031 Now there's like billions of movies on Netflix 2352 01:41:47,066 --> 01:41:48,481 and billions of movies on Hulu 2353 01:41:48,516 --> 01:41:50,276 and it's like you don't haveenough time to watch everything 2354 01:41:50,311 --> 01:41:55,316 so I don't know if the term really still exists as much. 2355 01:41:56,524 --> 01:41:58,457 - All those years when I was making the films 2356 01:41:58,491 --> 01:41:59,527 in the 80s and 90s. 2357 01:41:59,561 --> 01:42:04,083 I had no idea the, the breadth, 2358 01:42:05,188 --> 01:42:06,396 I don't know the word, 2359 01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:10,331 of where these films were going of the people 2360 01:42:10,365 --> 01:42:11,608 seeing the films. 2361 01:42:11,642 --> 01:42:14,921 I had no idea that these films were being seen 2362 01:42:14,956 --> 01:42:17,821 across the country and there was all these people 2363 01:42:17,855 --> 01:42:19,892 who love these films. 2364 01:42:19,926 --> 01:42:22,032 - I have to tell my fans, thank you 2365 01:42:22,066 --> 01:42:24,172 thank you for everything for all these years 2366 01:42:24,207 --> 01:42:26,381 of honoring me as a scream queen 2367 01:42:26,416 --> 01:42:28,901 and watching me as a horror actress, 2368 01:42:28,935 --> 01:42:30,868 I couldn't have done it without you. 2369 01:42:30,903 --> 01:42:34,355 - I love talking to you guys on social media 2370 01:42:34,389 --> 01:42:35,597 and I look forward to seeing you 2371 01:42:35,632 --> 01:42:37,530 at the conventions and stuff like that 2372 01:42:38,635 --> 01:42:40,671 and I wouldn't do anything, 2373 01:42:40,706 --> 01:42:42,604 couldn't be able to do anything 2374 01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,054 that I love to do without you. 2375 01:42:44,088 --> 01:42:46,574 So thank you very much, I love you. 2376 01:42:46,608 --> 01:42:48,023 - That was my childhood 2377 01:42:48,058 --> 01:42:50,543 and that was some of the best years of my life, 2378 01:42:50,578 --> 01:42:52,890 discovering all those movies. 2379 01:42:52,925 --> 01:42:55,928 [eerie tense music] 2380 01:44:21,945 --> 01:44:25,051 [eerie tense music]