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[man 1 in Spanish]
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[woman 1 in Spanish]
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[woman 2] I would say that in comics,
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the artist has the most control
over the story.
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[man 2] Well, how do you show emotion
with just these little lines?
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Like, how do you actually
show someone feeling pain?
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You know, hand gestures and eye movement
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and body composition and body language.
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Stan always said that the Marvel Universe
is the world outside your window,
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that he really wants people
to open up a comic
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and feel this is the world they live in,
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and that they could find characters
they could see themselves in.
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At Marvel,
we have about 3,500 artists worldwide.
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We have creators working
in almost every country on this planet,
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contributing to the Marvel Universe.
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Not only do we have characters that
reflect all people from all walks of life,
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we have creators who are bringing
their story to those characters.
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The uniqueness, the style, the kind
of originality, the kind of grittiness,
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the kind of different storytelling
sensibilities that we get by using
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these international artists opens us up
to so many different kinds of stories,
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so many different kinds of storytelling.
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Now you have readers around the world,
young kids who might be inspired
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by these writers and artists
who are from their culture.
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"Oh, my God. You know,
this artist is from Spain?
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This artist is from France?
This artist is from Brazil?
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They're just like me."
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They're making comic books
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that are being read by millions of people
around the world,
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and it's very inspiring.
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What Javier Garrón has been doing
on Miles Morales: Spider-Man,
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has just been incredible.
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The kind of scale, the scope,
the power that he brings to the characters
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when they put on their costumes,
when they use their powers,
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when they go into battle, is like
no other artist that's working today.
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Natacha is a magician.
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The style in which she draws
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur,
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she is so minimalistic in what she puts
on that page,
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but she gets across the maximum amount
of information,
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and it's really mind-blowing.
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There are certain artists who just,
we say, have it.
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Who are fearless storytellers.
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Who, no matter where they're from,
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no matter what walk of life they come
from, no matter what culture they are,
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are taking a piece of themselves
and putting it in those characters.
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Natacha and Javier
are two of those storytellers.
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At the start of Marvel,
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everybody lived, worked, breathed
under one roof to create comics.
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Back in the day, in that Marvel Bullpen,
because they were doing so many stories,
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Stan Lee sometimes would actually
come up with just a plot.
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[Cebulski] There were famous scenes
of when he would just call the artists
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into his office.
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He'd act out the story on his desk.
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He'd give it to Jack Kirby or Steve Ditko,
whoever was drawing the book,
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and they would draw it out.
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And, you know, they'd come back later
with a 20-page story.
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There's the old adage that you write
what you know.
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And just when the Marvel Universe
was created,
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it was by a bunch of white guys
in New York City,
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who were coming up with characters
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that they kinda based
somewhat on themselves.
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They drew the New York and the characters
and the people that were around them.
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Just not how comics are made anymore.
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This global,
creative culture that we live in
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has brought individuality and uniqueness
and cultural authenticity
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to the way that we tell our stories,
graphically.
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People tell stories from the place
that they're at.
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The life experience,
the background of an artist,
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the things that are around them now
in their life, matters.
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It affects how they draw.
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It affects what they emphasize
when they draw.
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It affects how they think
about storytelling.
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[Cebulski] What I like to tell
aspiring writers and artists
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is there's no boundaries for you
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to become someone
who is going to work at Marvel.
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[Ahmed] When you get creators
coming from different places
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and have different life experiences...
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informing what they think a superhero is,
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the stories only get better.
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[speaking baby talk]
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[Jennings]
As an artist, the instrument that you use
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is an extension of yourself.
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There's this idea that you can actually
imbue yourself into a character,
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and I think that's very true for
cartoonists and comic book illustrators.
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Part of it is the fact that they're
projecting themselves onto the image,
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but then also, I think that people are
reading what's there too in the linework.
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Every little squiggle
of a line is an emotion.
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Bringing a piece of art to life,
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it's very difficult to not put yourself
into the work.
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[grunting]
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[laughing]
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[man 3] Natacha put so much of herself
into those early pages of Moon Girl.
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Anything that was coincidentally
close to her,
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maybe she embraced and emphasized,
maybe she stepped outside herself.
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It's a mix of everything.
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We all share the co-creator credit,
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but Natacha has contributed the most
to Moon Girl.
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[in Spanish]
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[Montclare] In the late '70s,
Jack Kirby, all by himself,
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created a strip called Devil Dinosaur.
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Moon-Boy was a character in it,
and he was a young caveman.
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And they became friends.
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It was not a success.
Only lasted nine issues.
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It was brilliant visually, but it was
really a rudimentary story.
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And I thought,
maybe we could come up with a Moon Girl,
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and instead of having her be
a cave person, have her be a modern girl.
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I had had this character
kicking around in my head.
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She was socially awkward and really smart.
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Just this idea of somebody
that would roller-skate around town
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and she'd just fight crime.
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The look for the Moon Girl books
really came from a whimsical place.
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[Reeder] She wanted it to be a little more
cartoony because it was for kids.
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[Reeder] Moon Girl is the smartest person
in the Marvel Universe.
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As we started to develop it,
we put a lot of thought into,
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"What does this mean, and what is it
about her that is so smart?"
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The future of our society is gonna
be based off of technological advances.
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So, what does it mean to actually have
people of color in those spaces
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that are talking
about engineering and mathematics?
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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Comic book creative teams, typically,
are pretty much arranged marriages.
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You're asked to work on a book
as a writer, and the editor says,
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"And we're going to pair you
with this artist."
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[Reeder] But sometimes
you can strike gold, get lucky,
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and you just get
the right kind of collaborators
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and the right combination of people
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where you can really make
something special.
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As a writer, everything that you do,
in my opinion, has to be driven to,
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"How do you set the artist up to succeed?"
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[Ahmed] Your entire process there is aimed
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not at a final reader
who's going to read it.
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Your actual text,
it's aimed at the artist.
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[in Spanish]
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[in Spanish]
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[Cebulski]
Spider-Man is one of Marvel's most,
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if not the most,
iconic character in our universe.
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He's the character
that every writer and artist
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from when they were a kid wants to draw.
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[Ahmed] Spider-Man is a character
that people can see themselves in.
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I think the fact that people can look
at Spider-Man and imagine,
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"That's how I'd be if I was a superhero,"
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in a way that they can't
with some other characters
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who are billionaires or aliens
or whatever it might be.
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I think that's the ultimate appeal
of Spider-Man.
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[Cebulski] Brian Bendis with, you know,
some encouragement from Axel Alonso,
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who was Editor in Chief at the time,
created Miles Morales,
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who is the Spider-Man of this time.
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Sara Pichelli, the artist,
came on and designed the character
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in the comic at that time.
The rest, as they say, is history.
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[Ahmed] When Miles was first proposed,
he really shook up the fandom.
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There was a segment that freaked out
at the thought of a black Spider-Man,
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that freaked out at the thought
of a Puerto Rican Spider-Man,
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that didn't want their stuff messed with.
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He's a sort of different person, right?
Miles is black, he's Puerto Rican,
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he's from Brooklyn, not Queens,
he's younger than Peter...
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and yet,
embodied all the values of Spider-Man.
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Self-sacrifice, insisting on decency...
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perseverance to serve others.
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He's classically Spider-Man
because of those things.
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[Cebulski] And what Saladin and Javier
created for Miles
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is what Stan and Steve created
for Peter Parker back in the day.
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New characters, they can't just be
reflections of the characters
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that might have been their inspiration.
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And that's what Saladin
and especially Javier in creating--
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The visual world that he's built
around Miles has been so key too.
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[Ahmed] Before we ever saw the pages
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of the first issue
of Miles Morales' Spider-Man,
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Javier turned in a character sheet,
and I was blown away.
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He'd added something to the book
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that I had not put
nearly enough thought into,
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which was, "How do teenagers dress?
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How do they get their hair cut?"
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In a way
that I just wasn't equipped to do.
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I'm a middle-aged shlubby guy,
and Javier is much hipper.
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I knew that we had, sort of,
hit gold with that
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when I started seeing people on Twitter
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talking about how Miles needs
to get his own Instagram. Right?
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For his fashion.
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That's really when it feels like
you're telling a story together
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in the most primal way
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where you're really forging this thing
from the ground up together.
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[Garrón speaking Spanish]
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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[Garrón speaking Spanish]
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[patrons chattering]
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[woman in Spanish]
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[man in Spanish]
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[waitress in Spanish]
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[man]
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-[Bustos in Spanish]
-[man]
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[Bustos]
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-[Bustos]
-[woman]
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[Bustos in Spanish]
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Cadmium Red. Lipstick Red.
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Lipstick Red. Lipstick Red is good.
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-I'm gonna take one of these.
-[clerk] Okay. That is six.
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Six, okay.
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Would you like a bag?
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No need. I'll just put it in the pocket.
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-It's great.
-Okay.
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[Ahmed] Spider-Man,
he's really a very local hero.
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From the beginning,
I wanted to set out to make the comic
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that was about a certain place,
that was about a family in that place,
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a school in that place.
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[Ahmed] You know, a lot of Marvel stories
take place in Manhattan.
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Brooklyn's been a sort of neglected space
in Marvel mythology.
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[Ahmed] I've lived in Brooklyn
for a good number of years,
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but Javier is based in Europe,
and so, this was not something
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where he could go outside his door
and say,
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"Here's what this block looks like."
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[Montclare]
The Marvel Universe really is New York.
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You know, they go off into outer space and
maybe they're in other states sometimes,
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but New York is such a big part
of everything that's Marvel.
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Putting Moon Girl on the Lower East Side
on Yancy Street was specific,
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because Yancy Street is the fictionalized
Delancey Street of Jack Kirby's youth.
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[in Spanish]
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[in Spanish]
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[Garrón in Spanish]
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[chuckles]
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[Reeder] Brandon did a short story
in an anthology with Natacha.
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So he had her in mind
when we were looking at artists.
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[Montclare] Separate from our work
together on that short story,
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she was working for Marvel
doing a one-shot,
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a filler issue of Spider-Woman.
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[Montclare]
So we had a whole list of artists,
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potential artists,
for Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.
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And she was on the list,
but there was a challenge
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because Natacha didn't have
a very long track record.
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Do we need a bigger name?
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Do we need somebody
who's done a monthly book before?
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But it seemed to me that if anybody
was going to take Moon Girl
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and put themselves into it,
it would be Natacha.
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-Hey.
-Hi, how you doing?
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I'm okay. How are you?
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Fine, thanks. What can I do for you?
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Well...
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[Ahmed] Some people weren't ready
for Miles when he was first introduced,
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but between film, between video games,
between the comics,
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Miles has really won over fandom
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in a way that you rarely see
with a new character.
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You know, it's been very exciting
to be part of that legacy.
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[Jennings] Just think about
being a little black girl, right,
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and reading Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
for the first time.
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I can't even imagine what that feels like.
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Think about how empowering that is
to see someone,
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"I wear my hair like that."
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Or, "I have this affinity for tinkering
and stuff like that."
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[Ahmed] With great power
comes great responsibility, right?
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And the actual saying
in the original comic is,
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"With great power there must also come
great responsibility."
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In other words, it's not automatic.
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And so I think about my responsibilities
as a writer
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and trying to create that world
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where a kid can just pick up a comic
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and it's not weird to them
that Spider-Man is black.
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It's not weird to them
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that there's a girl with a Muslim name
who's brown-skinned,
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who's the teenage superhero
representing them.
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That should be normal.
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[Jennings]
You're gonna see more characters of color,
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more characters from various backgrounds,
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and, you know,
maybe a window to a better future.
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Now, through the global creators
that we're working with,
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we're inspiring a different generation
to maybe follow their dreams.
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We want our heroes to be inspirational.
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We want people to read the books
and want to go out and do better,
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to be heroes in their own right.
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Stories are empathy technologies, right?
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The superhero is a type of technology
that connects us.
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[Ahmed] If, like me, or like a lot
of other creators who are just now
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starting to have a voice in the field,
you come from a background
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where that didn't seem possible
when you were growing up.
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We have to remember it will be hard.
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Despite that, it's possible.
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