1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,292 --> 00:00:20,500 Uku! 4 00:00:34,958 --> 00:00:37,542 Prologue. 5 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:42,500 It actually started out with him adding me on Facebook, 6 00:00:43,042 --> 00:00:46,417 and I was thinking about doing this interview with him, 7 00:00:46,542 --> 00:00:48,375 and I didn’t know this condition. 8 00:00:48,458 --> 00:00:51,292 I don’t really know Uku, we had been in touch 9 00:00:51,375 --> 00:00:54,083 when I was the program manager for the Genialists’ Club. 10 00:00:54,292 --> 00:00:59,167 I discovered Uku Kuut and Marju Kuut, like, oh, he’s still in Estonia. 11 00:00:59,417 --> 00:01:01,167 Maybe he wants to record a mix? 12 00:01:01,292 --> 00:01:04,333 I'd think that would be cool, if someone asked me - and he did it. 13 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:07,999 And I discovered people were listening to it around the world. 14 00:01:08,167 --> 00:01:09,958 And then I was like “hold on…”. 15 00:01:10,042 --> 00:01:12,500 And then he started speaking Swedish with me. 16 00:01:12,792 --> 00:01:16,250 And I was pretty like “Whoa”. And he was like “Yeah, 17 00:01:16,333 --> 00:01:21,208 Vision of Estonia is recorded at a castle outside of Stockholm.” 18 00:01:22,083 --> 00:01:23,333 And I was like “Whoa.” 19 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:26,792 Then I asked him, “Are you still doing shows?” 20 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:29,750 And he was like “No, I have ALS.” 21 00:01:43,333 --> 00:01:45,333 You know, lot of people probably would say 22 00:01:45,417 --> 00:01:48,708 that he’s put Estonia on the map for music fans, 23 00:01:48,792 --> 00:01:51,500 who are into a certain sound. 24 00:01:51,708 --> 00:01:54,083 A lot of their recordings are pretty lo-fi. 25 00:01:54,458 --> 00:01:57,999 Actually it almost seems intentional in a way, 26 00:01:58,083 --> 00:02:00,250 it’s like low budget, 27 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:03,167 but, artistically it’s really like high, 28 00:02:03,250 --> 00:02:05,333 it’s like high concept or something. 29 00:02:15,875 --> 00:02:23,833 Uku’s music has always been directed towards America, 30 00:02:23,999 --> 00:02:26,999 but not a geographical America - 31 00:02:27,208 --> 00:02:30,833 an idealized America. 32 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:40,125 There’s a 45 that I have as well, 33 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:45,458 but it was with his wife, if I’m not mistaken, right? 34 00:02:45,583 --> 00:02:47,208 Um, that’s his mom. 35 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:49,875 Oh! There was... Okay! 36 00:03:04,042 --> 00:03:07,208 There's just a rattle in the headphones, I don't know. 37 00:03:07,375 --> 00:03:08,750 I don't... No! 38 00:03:11,917 --> 00:03:14,167 One cool thing - 39 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:18,458 there’s this Georgian detective film from the seventies, black and white. 40 00:03:18,542 --> 00:03:22,542 There’s a short piece of it online, where they walk into a bar… 41 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:31,500 The detective’s wearing a classy black suit and tie, 42 00:03:31,625 --> 00:03:34,667 and Marju Kuut is performing there. 43 00:03:36,958 --> 00:03:39,417 It’s sort of like, she had to be there. 44 00:03:39,917 --> 00:03:41,999 She was the only one who could pull it off. 45 00:04:03,625 --> 00:04:07,583 I was offered a position as the solo singer 46 00:04:07,792 --> 00:04:12,583 for the band at Intourist Hotel’s restaurant “Tallinn” 47 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:16,167 and I was still underage, 48 00:04:16,917 --> 00:04:22,792 but the band was mostly made up of young boys 49 00:04:23,125 --> 00:04:25,708 and of course they all started hitting on me. 50 00:04:25,833 --> 00:04:29,542 You know - there’s a young girl in the band, 51 00:04:29,625 --> 00:04:34,167 they all tried and nothing came of it 52 00:04:35,292 --> 00:04:40,833 and to get back at me, they started playing tangos for me. 53 00:04:44,750 --> 00:04:47,833 And then one night I got so sick of it, 54 00:04:48,125 --> 00:04:53,792 I decided that the first musician to come up to me 55 00:04:53,917 --> 00:04:59,667 and invite me for a coffee - 56 00:05:00,042 --> 00:05:02,417 I would marry him. 57 00:05:03,292 --> 00:05:08,792 And a short while later, Ivar Krull walked up to me. 58 00:05:11,917 --> 00:05:19,042 Luckily, I didn’t listen to my mother because then I got Uku. 59 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:33,625 I went to the hospital July 6th, 1966. 60 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:39,708 Around quarter after one at night on July 8th 61 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:44,625 this big ugly midwife, 62 00:05:44,750 --> 00:05:48,333 smelling of cigarettes, I nearly choked, 63 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:53,500 jumped on my chest and stomach to squeeze the baby out, 64 00:05:53,625 --> 00:06:00,375 it was awful and he came out and he didn’t even make a sound, 65 00:06:01,625 --> 00:06:06,875 I thought that’s it, he’s not even alive 66 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:10,833 and only a little later he started making noise. 67 00:06:18,292 --> 00:06:23,458 That’s the noise he made. It sounded just like “Uku”. 68 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:28,750 And it seems like he named himself. 69 00:06:28,999 --> 00:06:34,208 So he stayed Uku. Tiny Uku. Uku-baby. 70 00:06:37,167 --> 00:06:43,417 But Krull would come home for lunch to practice his trumpet 71 00:06:43,917 --> 00:06:47,917 and whine to me about why I wanted to sing, 72 00:06:47,999 --> 00:06:51,750 that I had a family and a baby now, I don’t need to sing. 73 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:58,708 I asked him why he wants to fiddle his trumpet all the time, 74 00:06:58,917 --> 00:07:00,958 if that hasn’t worked out for him. 75 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,833 We met with Marju during music school. 76 00:07:03,999 --> 00:07:08,833 Uku, I’ll be honest, he was still a child 77 00:07:08,999 --> 00:07:11,999 when he knew that Marju, you need to go there 78 00:07:12,250 --> 00:07:15,292 and do this and you know, it was so neat… 79 00:07:15,708 --> 00:07:19,125 And he was like an iron nail, firm and serious, 80 00:07:19,292 --> 00:07:22,750 he didn’t go “Mommy, you need to go”... 81 00:07:22,833 --> 00:07:25,250 No, he was like: 82 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:29,999 “Marju, you need to go there and there.” And it was just so. 83 00:07:30,292 --> 00:07:35,542 And Uku, of course, even though he may have liked other things, 84 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:40,833 he set his life according to Marju. 85 00:07:41,208 --> 00:07:45,250 Suddenly, I was fired from everywhere. 86 00:07:45,458 --> 00:07:47,333 Here and there and there and… 87 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:51,333 Then this old man came, a tiny mustache under his nose, 88 00:07:51,458 --> 00:07:53,999 to recruit me into the KGB 89 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:58,999 and the same night I told my mother about it 90 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:02,250 and asked her for 50 rubles. 91 00:08:03,208 --> 00:08:05,250 And we were in Sochi. 92 00:08:21,583 --> 00:08:25,500 Sochi. 93 00:08:50,917 --> 00:08:54,917 Uku was really glad to be somewhere else 94 00:08:54,999 --> 00:08:58,042 and it was so warm and completely different there. 95 00:09:00,917 --> 00:09:04,583 Since we got a nice place to stay there, 96 00:09:04,833 --> 00:09:08,833 me and Uku had time to get to know each other. 97 00:09:11,083 --> 00:09:14,042 Because we had never been alone, 98 00:09:15,458 --> 00:09:21,292 just the two of us, without my mother, or aunt Minni interrupting: 99 00:09:21,417 --> 00:09:25,999 “Oh what do you know about children go do your music.” 100 00:09:27,875 --> 00:09:31,375 Imagine it - they were together from morning to night, 101 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:34,958 all the time, making music. 102 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:42,000 I think Marju found a close soul in Uku at that time. 103 00:09:45,083 --> 00:09:47,958 Because before he was “a child, Uku” 104 00:09:48,458 --> 00:09:50,667 and “a child is a child”, right. 105 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:58,999 And Marju came back from there very tired, but very optimistic. 106 00:10:01,542 --> 00:10:06,917 And Uku grew up there, I noticed, into a young man. 107 00:10:13,292 --> 00:10:17,417 I found my soul mate, 108 00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:20,458 because you could talk to him like an old person 109 00:10:20,667 --> 00:10:25,750 and he was so full of such wisdom that I was in awe. 110 00:10:26,333 --> 00:10:31,417 And we both had this wish 111 00:10:31,542 --> 00:10:36,417 to live in a country like this someday. 112 00:10:44,958 --> 00:10:52,292 And it seemed to me that Uku got the music bug in Sochi. 113 00:11:10,999 --> 00:11:15,083 Well, she had this feeling 114 00:11:15,292 --> 00:11:19,583 that she was being followed by these people, as we used to say, 115 00:11:19,708 --> 00:11:21,458 and it bothered her. 116 00:11:21,958 --> 00:11:24,250 To be honest, I doubt this, 117 00:11:24,375 --> 00:11:27,625 because these people had much more important things to do 118 00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:29,999 than deal with musicians and singers. 119 00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:31,583 My father used to work 120 00:11:31,667 --> 00:11:34,167 at the Culture Department of the Central Committee, 121 00:11:34,417 --> 00:11:38,292 I know these things a bit. They didn’t deal with people like this. 122 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:45,083 Marju wasn’t a politician, she was purely a musician. 123 00:11:58,417 --> 00:12:03,125 Look, Marju had this feeling 124 00:12:04,542 --> 00:12:10,458 that she was frowned upon. 125 00:12:11,292 --> 00:12:15,167 My father was the artistic director at the Philharmonic, 126 00:12:15,250 --> 00:12:22,167 he was always thrilled about Marju as a musician, 127 00:12:22,333 --> 00:12:24,999 but: “She was drunk again…”. 128 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:29,042 That was the issue, not the KGB. 129 00:12:29,292 --> 00:12:35,250 I think the drinking put a sign on her. 130 00:12:35,625 --> 00:12:41,750 And I was there when she met her Kent, by chance, but still. 131 00:12:42,167 --> 00:12:48,833 And he was really in love, and talked Marju into it, 132 00:12:48,958 --> 00:12:51,750 because Marju didn’t want to marry, 133 00:12:51,917 --> 00:12:54,917 but he offered to take her away. 134 00:13:32,042 --> 00:13:38,542 But when she left and her recordings were destroyed, 135 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:45,292 I honestly don’t believe it was the KGB, 136 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:49,999 I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something personal. 137 00:13:50,458 --> 00:13:54,750 An “accident”. Oh, you know, I didn’t mean to erase it. 138 00:14:02,250 --> 00:14:07,750 When I was a child and we were at Saaremaa with my mother, Memme, 139 00:14:08,875 --> 00:14:14,542 or even in Tallinn, I always thought that somewhere behind those houses, 140 00:14:14,625 --> 00:14:16,917 there had to be something else. 141 00:14:17,042 --> 00:14:22,708 And in Saaremaa we had a big field behind our house, 142 00:14:22,917 --> 00:14:26,999 another farm’s field and then a forest 143 00:14:27,125 --> 00:14:30,750 and I used to ask mother to go beyond the forest, 144 00:14:30,875 --> 00:14:32,958 that there had to be something else. 145 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:36,333 Mother finally gave up: okay, let’s go. 146 00:14:36,667 --> 00:14:40,750 There was nothing else, or nothing new, the same junk. 147 00:14:40,833 --> 00:14:43,792 So I was always searching. 148 00:14:43,917 --> 00:14:46,083 Sweden. 149 00:15:03,625 --> 00:15:09,167 Uku was the one who told me: “Let’s go, let’s go,” 150 00:15:09,292 --> 00:15:11,999 because I was about give up 151 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:17,625 when I found out my Swedish husband was a drug addict. 152 00:15:17,999 --> 00:15:21,750 And I thought I wouldn’t go, 153 00:15:21,999 --> 00:15:25,750 because with God I can live in the Soviet Union as well, 154 00:15:25,917 --> 00:15:30,833 but Uku wanted to go, saying we could always return: 155 00:15:31,083 --> 00:15:34,500 “Let’s go for my sake - I want to see the world.” 156 00:15:44,250 --> 00:15:50,250 Uku adjusted very well in school and knew Swedish in three weeks. 157 00:15:51,250 --> 00:15:56,417 We are. That was Uku’s teenage band. 158 00:15:57,750 --> 00:16:01,042 “Funky”. Yeah. 159 00:16:33,042 --> 00:16:37,458 It must have been around 19… 160 00:16:38,667 --> 00:16:42,999 Probably was around 1983-84. 161 00:16:50,042 --> 00:16:53,167 Hello? It’s Daniel. 162 00:16:53,292 --> 00:16:58,125 I don’t know really how I came in contact with Uku, 163 00:16:58,292 --> 00:17:02,999 but it was very much like Uku’s style. 164 00:17:11,375 --> 00:17:16,333 But I don’t remember the actual first gig, where it was. 165 00:17:17,333 --> 00:17:19,792 Bad sound, I think. 166 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,667 She was there, but I didn’t know who she was, 167 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:43,792 if she was famous or so. 168 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,833 She was just a mother. 169 00:17:47,417 --> 00:17:53,250 She was very young compared to my parents. 170 00:17:53,417 --> 00:17:56,167 She was a famous person in Estonia 171 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:59,250 and I think she and Uku had, at that time at least, 172 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:02,542 such a close relationship. They were like friends. 173 00:18:03,083 --> 00:18:07,250 She used to come to the rehearsals and she used to sing. 174 00:18:07,875 --> 00:18:12,542 I was almost always there in their rehearsals 175 00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:14,999 and I took part 176 00:18:15,875 --> 00:18:23,375 and I felt like a complete teenager. 177 00:18:24,167 --> 00:18:27,708 And it must have annoyed Uku, 178 00:18:27,833 --> 00:18:31,125 why I was there all the time, it was his band. 179 00:18:55,708 --> 00:19:00,125 Music was primary for us, from morning till night. 180 00:19:00,208 --> 00:19:08,125 Apparently his dream was, that we could be a good producer team, 181 00:19:08,833 --> 00:19:15,999 in Sweden, or maybe even America, those were his dreams. 182 00:19:16,833 --> 00:19:21,458 He had the abilities of a businessman, 183 00:19:21,958 --> 00:19:25,000 he studied this, 184 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:28,292 but he wanted to tie business with music, 185 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:32,999 because music was what motivated him. 186 00:19:33,333 --> 00:19:35,208 What motivated his soul. 187 00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:38,625 I didn’t miss anything besides Memme, 188 00:19:38,875 --> 00:19:44,708 but I knew Memme can follow us, one way or another. 189 00:19:44,875 --> 00:19:49,125 And we filled out paperwork 190 00:19:49,208 --> 00:19:55,833 and since I was working at a Christian radio station 191 00:19:56,042 --> 00:19:59,208 with shows all around the world, 192 00:19:59,417 --> 00:20:05,917 they must have been afraid that if they don’t let her leave, 193 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,833 I would start making noise. 194 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:11,833 They'd let her leave. 195 00:20:13,125 --> 00:20:20,083 In Tallinn I had a big three-room condo, already paid for, 196 00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:27,417 and Memm got used to living in this big place all by herself, 197 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:31,750 and when she joined us, she was so disappointed. 198 00:20:32,625 --> 00:20:37,292 What hole-in-the-wall is she staying in now? 199 00:20:37,417 --> 00:20:40,833 Memm was the one who wanted to take care of everyone 200 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:46,625 and she came there when she was already completely sick 201 00:20:46,917 --> 00:20:50,417 and they did nothing to her in the hospital, 202 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:56,500 because they said there was already too much cancer to operate 203 00:20:57,250 --> 00:21:00,167 and she just gave up. 204 00:21:00,458 --> 00:21:02,750 She wasn’t able to fight any longer. 205 00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:06,542 And so she left. 206 00:21:10,792 --> 00:21:17,417 Grandma's interlude. 207 00:21:21,999 --> 00:21:25,625 It had a terrible impact on Uku. 208 00:21:25,917 --> 00:21:29,375 He wasn’t able to live at home 209 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:32,667 during the last months when I nursed Memme. 210 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:38,458 He lived in someone’s basement and helped build a studio there 211 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:41,750 to get his thoughts away. 212 00:21:41,999 --> 00:21:47,583 Memm wasn’t just his grandmother, she was like a mother to him. 213 00:23:17,917 --> 00:23:19,999 Hi, this is your little boy Uku! 214 00:23:40,542 --> 00:23:44,750 Hi, this is your little boy Uku calling from Stockholm. 215 00:23:44,999 --> 00:23:50,042 I wanted to tell you that be a dear and work hard and come home 216 00:23:50,208 --> 00:23:54,875 and don’t call me again so soon, hold on with your bills. 217 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:57,167 Alright, dear. See you. 218 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:09,375 The last morning of Memme's life in the hospital, I could tell her, 219 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:14,083 that should it happen that she will leave us, 220 00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:18,500 then she should know, that I will go to Los Angeles. 221 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:23,042 I'm saying this in advance, just to let you know. 222 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:28,792 I just could not stay any longer in this apartment 223 00:24:29,125 --> 00:24:33,250 where I nursed my mother these last months. 224 00:24:33,417 --> 00:24:37,167 Which was so terribly tragic. 225 00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:39,917 I just couldn't do it anymore. 226 00:24:39,999 --> 00:24:43,375 I had to get something else to survive at all. 227 00:24:43,458 --> 00:24:45,875 So I flew away. 228 00:25:22,583 --> 00:25:27,500 In the meantime, I had found a job with an Estonian woman, 229 00:25:27,625 --> 00:25:30,000 who had once been a dancer. 230 00:25:30,167 --> 00:25:33,999 And then she opened a little boutique. 231 00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:40,292 All kinds of interesting lingerie, and bric-a-brac a woman would need. 232 00:25:40,417 --> 00:25:44,750 But one morning I was so sick, I felt so miserable. 233 00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:47,500 I didn't know what to do, so I told Uku, 234 00:25:47,792 --> 00:25:54,042 maybe you could go in my place today. Just say I couldn't come. 235 00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:58,792 Uku agreed and went to work. 236 00:25:59,167 --> 00:26:02,667 And he said he could stay working there. 237 00:26:07,208 --> 00:26:12,792 Uku had also advertised us in Music Connections magazine 238 00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:15,708 as an Energetic Producer team. 239 00:26:15,792 --> 00:26:20,375 He put our phone in there. And then the calls began to come. 240 00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:26,083 When I met them I started, I don't know, I mean... 241 00:26:27,125 --> 00:26:31,083 Are they these writers, because they were, 242 00:26:31,208 --> 00:26:34,000 you know, they're white 243 00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:38,999 and I am thinking really? They do some pop music? 244 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,042 I got to tell you, they're the funkiest pop folks to this day. 245 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,375 We saw exactly what kind of music 246 00:27:00,542 --> 00:27:05,667 producers and managers were interested in. 247 00:27:06,167 --> 00:27:08,417 And that's how we found... 248 00:27:14,917 --> 00:27:20,500 our own music producers, or not producers, we found managers. 249 00:27:21,708 --> 00:27:25,125 They listened to all of our twelve songs. 250 00:27:25,792 --> 00:27:30,333 All this fantastic energy and fantastic everything. 251 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:34,125 It would be great, but how, where can we... 252 00:27:34,833 --> 00:27:39,167 Where can we place you as a mother and a son. 253 00:27:49,958 --> 00:27:52,458 The fact that we're mother and son 254 00:27:52,542 --> 00:27:56,167 has always been an obstacle when we were together. 255 00:27:56,750 --> 00:28:00,417 At first, I tried to say in Sweden, that Uku is my brother. 256 00:28:00,583 --> 00:28:06,917 Not to ruin everything right away, but it couldn't go on like this for long. 257 00:28:06,999 --> 00:28:10,292 In the end it'll come out, you have to provide some data. 258 00:28:10,458 --> 00:28:12,583 Mother and son, it won't work. 259 00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:17,208 It's not attractive. We had love songs and everything. 260 00:28:17,417 --> 00:28:19,833 And a song like Dream Lover. 261 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:23,208 We can't sing it to each other. 262 00:28:23,583 --> 00:28:28,083 Of course, when we made these songs, we were thinking about our own things, 263 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:32,999 our own people, to whom we wrote those songs. 264 00:28:33,167 --> 00:28:34,917 We had separate fantasies. 265 00:28:40,917 --> 00:28:43,750 Question? - Yes, question comes now. 266 00:28:44,083 --> 00:28:47,417 It's caused a lot of buzz that you're together all the time. 267 00:28:47,583 --> 00:28:51,792 Uku is your son. How do you get along, you're friends? 268 00:28:56,750 --> 00:29:00,042 It's a good question, it has arisen only for Estonians, 269 00:29:00,167 --> 00:29:02,167 not for any foreigner. 270 00:29:02,999 --> 00:29:06,083 Let's say, Uku was a girl, I guess many mothers 271 00:29:06,208 --> 00:29:09,333 live with their daughters, and work in the same field. 272 00:29:09,583 --> 00:29:12,042 They're not moving to different apartments, 273 00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:14,958 there are not so many chances to do that in Estonia. 274 00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:19,167 And why it's so strange that we live together, in one apartment? 275 00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:23,083 We didn't live together in that sense, we shared an apartment. 276 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:26,458 We didn't have the money to live separately. 277 00:29:26,875 --> 00:29:30,958 I don't know, abroad they don't look at things like this. 278 00:29:31,042 --> 00:29:33,750 If you don't have money, then you'll live together. 279 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:35,667 Mother and son. 280 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:41,583 They have no other idiocy in mind to ask or even think. 281 00:29:42,375 --> 00:29:47,875 But for Uku, it must have had a terrible effect. 282 00:29:48,542 --> 00:29:51,417 It seemed to have stayed in his heart. 283 00:29:52,167 --> 00:29:56,958 However, he always wanted to make 284 00:29:57,125 --> 00:30:01,667 people like him. 285 00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:05,999 And of course, if that's how people think, 286 00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:08,083 then you have to change yourself. 287 00:30:14,083 --> 00:30:19,999 We were still in our apartment, when Herbert Murd came to visit us. 288 00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:24,833 He told that Estonia is now so great, and so beautiful. 289 00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:27,417 And it was still the Soviet Union. 290 00:30:27,583 --> 00:30:32,999 That they have ads now, and I wouldn't even recognize Estonia. 291 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:38,750 Then he said he had a Jazz festival there. 292 00:30:38,999 --> 00:30:43,708 Wouldn't we like to perform there? 293 00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:46,958 In fact, I didn't invite her to perform. 294 00:30:47,208 --> 00:30:51,708 Life in Estonia began to become more free at that time. 295 00:30:51,917 --> 00:30:55,958 And where I invited them or what we talked about, 296 00:30:56,083 --> 00:30:59,125 was that they could come back here for real. 297 00:31:00,417 --> 00:31:05,417 It is clear, that Marju was a superstar here. 298 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:08,083 But there she was... 299 00:31:08,458 --> 00:31:12,125 Great L.A. and America, there you're just one among millions, 300 00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:14,125 or even less. 301 00:31:14,583 --> 00:31:18,042 The idea was, that they could come back to Estonia. 302 00:31:18,292 --> 00:31:21,083 Promised to pay for everything, 303 00:31:21,250 --> 00:31:27,999 also pay a good fee to us and arrange a place for us to live. 304 00:31:30,625 --> 00:31:35,667 In fact, we finally agreed that they will come back to Estonia. 305 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:41,792 They would come through Norway and we had everything agreed. 306 00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:46,333 But suddenly, at the last minute, I realized it came from Marju, 307 00:31:46,458 --> 00:31:51,583 since we came with Uku from somewhere and Marju wanted to talk to him. 308 00:31:51,708 --> 00:31:55,999 They talked in another room, and then said that everything's canceled. 309 00:31:56,083 --> 00:31:58,542 So it's canceled. They know what they're doing. 310 00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:02,125 I had nothing to say about it. I returned to Estonia. 311 00:32:02,417 --> 00:32:05,083 And almost a year passed. 312 00:32:05,458 --> 00:32:09,208 I organized the Fiesta Festival in Estonia at the time. 313 00:32:09,625 --> 00:32:13,042 The phone rang in the office and Marju called. 314 00:32:13,208 --> 00:32:15,958 She said she was now in Norway. 315 00:32:16,083 --> 00:32:19,167 And waiting for me, that I should go there at once. 316 00:32:19,625 --> 00:32:22,667 Of course, I had no time even to speak at that moment, 317 00:32:22,792 --> 00:32:26,917 not to mention driving a car to Norway to bring them back. 318 00:32:27,208 --> 00:32:31,042 I made it clear that I can't do anything right now. 319 00:32:31,167 --> 00:32:32,999 Let's talk again next week. 320 00:32:33,167 --> 00:32:38,167 By the next week she had found another way to get them out of Norway. 321 00:32:38,417 --> 00:32:43,250 But since then I've heard how I have offended her. 322 00:32:43,458 --> 00:32:46,292 And she talks about different versions 323 00:32:46,417 --> 00:32:50,500 how I invited her to the festival, or to return to Estonia, 324 00:32:50,667 --> 00:32:55,167 and that I promised to help them with everything, but in the end, 325 00:32:55,333 --> 00:32:57,542 I didn't live up to my promises. 326 00:33:00,833 --> 00:33:05,833 Little Saturday surprise here at Tallinn Passenger Port. 327 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:10,875 From the circle of fans I have brought Marju Kuut to the camera. 328 00:33:11,583 --> 00:33:18,583 Golden sixties pop music friends will surely remember Marju, 329 00:33:19,042 --> 00:33:21,833 her individual style and a pleasant timbre. 330 00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:25,292 In two words, what happened in the meantime when you left Estonia? 331 00:33:25,458 --> 00:33:26,999 In two words? 332 00:33:27,167 --> 00:33:30,167 I've lived the lives of twenty or thirty people. 333 00:33:30,292 --> 00:33:32,167 Yes, and where? 334 00:33:32,875 --> 00:33:35,500 In quite many places. - Quite many places, 335 00:33:35,667 --> 00:33:42,250 and today - how long will you stay in Estonia? 336 00:33:42,833 --> 00:33:47,750 A person cannot live much by plan. Let's see, how it goes. 337 00:33:47,917 --> 00:33:52,083 Anyway, you have the same warm weather as where I came from. 338 00:33:52,208 --> 00:33:56,542 You came from Helsinki. - I actually came from America, from L.A. 339 00:33:57,083 --> 00:33:59,292 But you have something in mind? 340 00:33:59,417 --> 00:34:02,500 I already heard people say that let Marju sing. 341 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:06,292 Let's wait for a the better plan and go with that then. 342 00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:09,708 Thanks and I believe our viewers will soon hear from you. 343 00:34:09,792 --> 00:34:11,667 How did you know I was coming? 344 00:34:11,792 --> 00:34:13,708 They used to say that our news show 345 00:34:13,792 --> 00:34:16,083 hears and sees all, but doesn't say much. 346 00:34:16,208 --> 00:34:17,999 Okay, bye-bye! 347 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:20,708 Good luck! - Thank you. All the best! 348 00:34:26,292 --> 00:34:30,500 Already in Sweden, when I dreamed 349 00:34:30,708 --> 00:34:34,542 that I had accidentally ended up in Estonia, 350 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:37,375 I woke up with cold sweat. 351 00:34:38,292 --> 00:34:42,625 Thank God I'm not back in Estonia. 352 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:49,417 I would never have gone back to Estonia in my life. 353 00:34:49,999 --> 00:34:53,750 Again, it was Uku who wanted to see, 354 00:34:53,999 --> 00:34:58,208 is it as scary as it seemed or as we speak here. 355 00:35:00,542 --> 00:35:04,083 And so we arrived there. 356 00:35:04,208 --> 00:35:07,999 Is music the only thing you see as an opportunity in your life? 357 00:35:08,667 --> 00:35:14,833 Music - it seems that most of my acquaintances, especially Estonians, 358 00:35:14,999 --> 00:35:19,042 would like me to turn into some kind of template they have. 359 00:35:19,458 --> 00:35:21,999 Become a forward-thinking citizen. 360 00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:24,333 Decent. - Yes, a decent citizen. 361 00:35:24,917 --> 00:35:28,625 I'm a capitalist anyway, because I grew up there. 362 00:35:29,792 --> 00:35:35,583 I would love to see music as a thing that goes through life. 363 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,083 I do all kinds of things, I'm also interested in music technique 364 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:42,292 and music economy around it. 365 00:35:42,417 --> 00:35:44,542 Things are never one-sided. 366 00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:46,375 Economics... - Economics, yes. 367 00:35:46,458 --> 00:35:50,083 It's all connected, one day you do this and then something else. 368 00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,042 All Estonians think that I'm that silly woman, 369 00:35:53,083 --> 00:35:56,833 who draws Uku, this wise boy, off the right path. 370 00:35:56,917 --> 00:35:59,375 That I want to make him a gypsy or something. 371 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:02,417 Grandma wanted you to become a bank clerk? 372 00:36:02,583 --> 00:36:06,292 Yes, I was already heading there and tried, but... 373 00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:10,458 But you could see it in his face, that he had no peace inside. 374 00:36:10,625 --> 00:36:15,999 In Sweden, younger people talk a lot about careers, 375 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:21,458 I had short hair then, I looked like a decent social democrat. 376 00:36:21,583 --> 00:36:25,625 We had to go to sauna with the older bosses, 377 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:29,875 they drank beer, I don't drink, and we talked about secrets. 378 00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:33,999 Then I thought, do I want to be like that in my 40s or 50s. 379 00:36:34,083 --> 00:36:37,292 Some were just 40 and already a heart attack and all. 380 00:36:37,458 --> 00:36:41,583 It started to bother me and when my grandmother died, 381 00:36:41,875 --> 00:36:45,542 then I decided, that no - better put everything in the game, 382 00:36:45,625 --> 00:36:48,417 and use my business background in music instead. 383 00:36:48,833 --> 00:36:51,208 We were left sort of hanging there. 384 00:36:52,292 --> 00:37:00,292 We didn't have a place to stay there, in Estonia, in Tallinn. 385 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,375 What will we do now? 386 00:37:03,583 --> 00:37:07,542 And the only solution was to go to Saaremaa, 387 00:37:09,042 --> 00:37:12,042 to my grandfather's place. 388 00:37:12,999 --> 00:37:16,792 So we went to Saaremaa to live with them. 389 00:37:16,999 --> 00:37:20,833 Of course, the aunts were very happy. 390 00:37:20,958 --> 00:37:28,667 A car took us there, a driver, who promised to come back in a week. 391 00:37:28,999 --> 00:37:34,042 We'll see if we've come up with something in a week. 392 00:37:37,208 --> 00:37:40,958 But suddenly we heard something on the radio. 393 00:37:41,125 --> 00:37:46,750 Uku tried to listen to radio there to find out what was going on. 394 00:37:46,999 --> 00:37:51,292 Suddenly, he heard something like tank and tanks. 395 00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:57,208 In Latvia or somewhere, I don't know what language that was. 396 00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,250 That tanks are coming. 397 00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:02,292 He realized that something is about to happen. 398 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:06,833 Then we already heard about it in Estonian radio. 399 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,083 Things are going crazy. 400 00:38:10,417 --> 00:38:14,833 It looks like they're going to close the borders. 401 00:38:14,958 --> 00:38:19,417 I was wondering, did God really want us here right now? 402 00:38:19,833 --> 00:38:22,333 So we'd be arrested here? 403 00:38:22,999 --> 00:38:25,625 And when the day came, 404 00:38:25,792 --> 00:38:29,458 when the driver came for us, we had decided, 405 00:38:29,625 --> 00:38:33,083 that we'll go to Finland at once. 406 00:38:33,583 --> 00:38:35,667 What will be, will be. 407 00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:39,708 But the driver said, 408 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:45,292 that the tanks are already retreating and Estonia is free now. 409 00:38:46,875 --> 00:38:51,542 Again, a new, how to say this, a new page in life. 410 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,875 Digital show with Marju Kuut 411 00:38:59,042 --> 00:39:04,000 in real time via satellite at the RCE TV center. 412 00:39:04,292 --> 00:39:10,708 We are talking to the legendary TV producer Leo Karpin... 413 00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:17,500 We had already seen Estonian TV, the programs they had there. 414 00:39:17,708 --> 00:39:20,125 Everyone was so important there. 415 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:26,917 And we thought we're doing a show that is completely senseless. 416 00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:29,708 Eve Kivi was ready to come immediately. 417 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,375 What are we doing here now? 418 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:44,208 I don't know, I just walked in and I don't know why I came here. 419 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:47,000 But I don't know either. 420 00:39:47,167 --> 00:39:49,417 I had... - You were here before... 421 00:39:49,625 --> 00:39:52,458 Hey, but really, what are you doing here? 422 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:57,792 This is now straight from Siimann, this story, 423 00:39:57,999 --> 00:40:02,999 that there was a Parliament session, 424 00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:07,792 and the whole hall rushed to watch our show. 425 00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:12,999 I don't really remember right now how it all was. 426 00:40:13,417 --> 00:40:15,500 It took place at their home 427 00:40:15,667 --> 00:40:18,583 and the result was unprecedented, 428 00:40:18,708 --> 00:40:22,125 It seemed very Western to us at the time. 429 00:40:22,917 --> 00:40:25,875 It certainly aroused a lot of interest. 430 00:41:04,458 --> 00:41:08,917 Hey! You are watching a show called "Music Video". 431 00:41:09,083 --> 00:41:12,875 And all we want to do is to show you good music videos. 432 00:42:11,125 --> 00:42:17,958 I'm wondering what would you want to achieve as a singer? 433 00:42:18,625 --> 00:42:22,042 In fact, I would like to make such music 434 00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:28,042 which would reach elsewhere as well, because Estonia is so small. 435 00:42:28,625 --> 00:42:33,458 To have opportunities and time to work hard and reach elsewhere. 436 00:42:33,667 --> 00:42:37,792 Because it doesn't come easily, it takes a lot of effort. 437 00:42:37,999 --> 00:42:39,875 That is a good answer. 438 00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:46,083 Because usually people have great wishes 439 00:42:46,208 --> 00:42:48,375 and the goals are big and high. 440 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:52,750 We think that someone is waiting for us out there, but it's not true. 441 00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:56,375 If you don't put in the hard work, you can't get there. 442 00:42:58,999 --> 00:43:03,417 I can't remember how, but somehow we got involved 443 00:43:04,833 --> 00:43:06,958 with the festival Jazzkaar. 444 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,999 I don't know if we met someone in the radio or television, 445 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:14,958 and then... 446 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:20,333 There was a chance to help out a bit. 447 00:43:21,625 --> 00:43:24,875 It had just turned out that their main performer 448 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,500 had canceled on them. 449 00:43:28,125 --> 00:43:33,667 Then we thought, we know someone - Jeff Lorber. 450 00:43:33,833 --> 00:43:37,583 And so we got Jeff to come to Estonia. 451 00:43:37,917 --> 00:43:41,000 I was working for a human resources office, 452 00:43:41,167 --> 00:43:45,208 and he called me and said he needed an assistant. 453 00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:48,958 And I said yes. 454 00:43:50,292 --> 00:43:55,417 He said it's urgent and do I think I can find someone. 455 00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:58,708 I said, yeah, I have exactly the person you need. 456 00:43:59,542 --> 00:44:01,708 I'll get back to you right away. 457 00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:04,708 I think it was basically a matter of days. 458 00:44:06,208 --> 00:44:11,000 I lived at my grandparents' cottage, and he just came there. 459 00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:13,875 Cowboy & Capitalist. 460 00:44:17,208 --> 00:44:19,417 We matched right away. 461 00:44:19,542 --> 00:44:23,333 Just like a jigsaw puzzle or like Lego pieces fit together. 462 00:44:23,958 --> 00:44:26,458 And it just went on from there. 463 00:44:26,708 --> 00:44:31,292 What was going on beside there, that wasn't really... 464 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:34,667 That wasn't so important. 465 00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:36,958 Of course, he represented 466 00:44:37,042 --> 00:44:40,958 a different way of thinking, different understanding of things. 467 00:44:41,042 --> 00:44:43,917 My first meeting with Katri... 468 00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:47,542 Uku wasn't there yet and Katri was already there. 469 00:44:47,958 --> 00:44:52,750 We said hello and then I said, Uku isn't here yet, 470 00:44:52,875 --> 00:44:55,500 tell a little about yourself. 471 00:44:55,875 --> 00:45:01,958 She was silent for a while. And then suddenly exploded, yelling. 472 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,792 Why should I tell you anything? 473 00:45:04,999 --> 00:45:08,083 Who are you? Some Marju Kuut. 474 00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:11,875 Who do you think you are? You're nobody! 475 00:45:14,333 --> 00:45:17,167 I think he was operating on another level. 476 00:45:17,417 --> 00:45:20,458 And yet there were some kind of... 477 00:45:21,999 --> 00:45:24,999 How is this word in Estonian, some kind of distraction. 478 00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:29,292 Or such interference, which came from some lower frequency. 479 00:45:29,542 --> 00:45:32,292 Issues with money have always followed him. 480 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:35,500 They had some problems in L.A. 481 00:45:35,875 --> 00:45:37,999 They had some trouble at the Jazzkaar. 482 00:45:38,125 --> 00:45:42,333 And what happened to his company and our relationship - 483 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,875 again problems with money. 484 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,458 There was always something like growing... 485 00:45:51,208 --> 00:45:56,583 Like some... as in the aquarium there are bottom feeders, 486 00:45:56,708 --> 00:46:01,125 and this bottom feeder was lurking all the time. 487 00:46:01,833 --> 00:46:07,375 His kind of energetic bottom feeder took a bite of some crap again. 488 00:46:07,625 --> 00:46:11,542 We also had nice days with Katri. 489 00:46:11,833 --> 00:46:15,375 They were still young with Uku 490 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:20,958 and both ambitious, especially the girl. 491 00:46:21,125 --> 00:46:26,083 Like noveau riche, who want to get rich quickly. 492 00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:29,125 Not step by step, but ten at a time, 493 00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:31,875 and then you don't know where to fall. 494 00:46:32,042 --> 00:46:35,458 Of course, they both started working hard, 495 00:46:35,625 --> 00:46:38,500 whichever earns more. 496 00:46:38,625 --> 00:46:41,999 And then it was nice once when Uku said 497 00:46:43,042 --> 00:46:45,042 that Katri said she's pregnant. 498 00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,417 That they'll have a baby. 499 00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:52,667 That he will soon become a father. 500 00:47:12,999 --> 00:47:15,875 Father. 501 00:47:23,167 --> 00:47:25,958 It's probably called "breastfeeding father". 502 00:47:25,999 --> 00:47:28,958 He was like so there all the time 503 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,999 and he took care of me when I was expecting the child. 504 00:47:34,542 --> 00:47:39,208 When the baby was born, he was there all the time. 505 00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:42,500 He bathed him, went for a walk with him, 506 00:47:42,625 --> 00:47:45,625 he was different from some fathers. 507 00:47:45,708 --> 00:47:49,875 But I was sleeping, when Marju came to see the baby. 508 00:47:50,042 --> 00:47:53,250 Uku didn't wake me up and Marju was so frustrated. 509 00:47:53,375 --> 00:47:58,000 This was Uku's version. Or the one I've put together later. 510 00:47:58,167 --> 00:48:00,208 She was so angry, 511 00:48:00,333 --> 00:48:03,417 how come I don't get up when she comes to visit. 512 00:48:03,542 --> 00:48:06,167 Maybe the baby was also asleep, I don't remember. 513 00:48:06,667 --> 00:48:09,083 And then we didn't speak for three years. 514 00:48:15,125 --> 00:48:19,417 The 1990s were a very stormy time in Estonia. 515 00:48:19,875 --> 00:48:25,250 When we think of it, in 1991 the petrol queues arose, 516 00:48:25,375 --> 00:48:28,625 we received humanitarian aid from Finland and Sweden 517 00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:30,667 and the Nordic countries. 518 00:48:31,708 --> 00:48:33,958 Pasta, sneakers and colored pencils. 519 00:48:34,042 --> 00:48:36,958 And suddenly in 2000 we have e-government. 520 00:48:37,292 --> 00:48:41,625 It was such a drastic change, something happened every day. 521 00:48:41,833 --> 00:48:45,167 And it was all a bit like the Wild West 522 00:48:45,375 --> 00:48:49,999 in terms of all sorts of positive as well as negative aspects. 523 00:48:50,417 --> 00:48:54,375 I think, formally the purpose of Love Radio 524 00:48:54,500 --> 00:49:00,083 was to make some kind of American or foreign radio. 525 00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:04,458 Adult contemporary radio for new business elite. 526 00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:10,417 I remember that it must have been like this, 527 00:49:10,583 --> 00:49:14,250 we were there one day, on the radio, making shows, 528 00:49:14,417 --> 00:49:21,750 and then a message came that we have a new and young director. 529 00:49:24,125 --> 00:49:27,750 Money. 530 00:49:29,208 --> 00:49:35,292 As for the money, there were always problems. 531 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:41,417 One time they sold all the real estate belonging to that Estonian company 532 00:49:41,583 --> 00:49:44,042 in order to make a salary payment. 533 00:49:44,167 --> 00:49:46,333 And let's say that local managers 534 00:49:46,708 --> 00:49:51,250 decided to raise their salaries equal to the Nordic level. 535 00:49:51,458 --> 00:49:54,167 Probably this American owner was impressed 536 00:49:54,333 --> 00:49:57,999 that there's an Estonian here, who is also from Los Angeles. 537 00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:04,292 Probably for this American owner Uku's salary of 30,000 kroons, 538 00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:09,792 if put in dollars, it was about $ 3,000 or a bit less. 539 00:50:10,167 --> 00:50:14,583 From an American perspective, that salary was nothing. 540 00:50:14,833 --> 00:50:17,833 If we put it in this context. 541 00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:20,375 In Estonia, it was absolutely incredible. 542 00:50:20,458 --> 00:50:25,333 Doesn't the director have a higher salary then? 543 00:50:25,542 --> 00:50:27,500 He does have a higher salary. 544 00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:32,250 Another reason why this radio did not work 545 00:50:32,458 --> 00:50:37,042 was that image of Uku and Marju began to change in the late 1990s. 546 00:50:37,375 --> 00:50:39,999 There was a bad shadow in the background. 547 00:50:40,083 --> 00:50:42,999 When they returned in the early 1990s, 548 00:50:43,167 --> 00:50:47,708 if I'm not mistaken, they received a lot of attention. 549 00:50:47,875 --> 00:50:52,292 And then there was a kind of an incident. 550 00:50:54,167 --> 00:50:56,208 With Jazzkaar festival. 551 00:50:56,958 --> 00:51:00,708 It was not very clear what really happened there, 552 00:51:00,833 --> 00:51:05,500 but it was clear that this incident changed something. 553 00:51:06,083 --> 00:51:09,667 Then these stories began to spread, 554 00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:16,042 that in fact Uku already had some problems with money. 555 00:51:16,292 --> 00:51:22,083 I believe the problems with radio funding were related to this. 556 00:51:24,208 --> 00:51:27,999 His ability to communicate, 557 00:51:30,292 --> 00:51:36,250 to present any facts or evidence, 558 00:51:36,542 --> 00:51:40,917 so to speak, sell, in the best sense, 559 00:51:41,042 --> 00:51:44,333 it was an excellent skill for him. 560 00:51:44,583 --> 00:51:49,167 At one point, he began to use it also for some negative activities. 561 00:51:49,625 --> 00:51:54,042 It's also the moment when the big money came along. 562 00:51:54,542 --> 00:52:00,708 If 20 and 30 kroons was once a large sum, 563 00:52:00,792 --> 00:52:02,708 suddenly, it was 200-300, 564 00:52:02,833 --> 00:52:05,833 then came thousands and zeros kept growing there. 565 00:52:05,958 --> 00:52:09,542 Then something clicked, something like... 566 00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:14,417 That there's some kind of interferer, which comes in. 567 00:52:14,542 --> 00:52:16,625 Everything is beautiful and nice. 568 00:52:16,958 --> 00:52:20,958 It's like modern music or some arrangements, 569 00:52:21,042 --> 00:52:24,167 everything's beautiful and then some quack comes in. 570 00:52:24,333 --> 00:52:26,417 A trumpet suddenly... 571 00:52:26,542 --> 00:52:29,500 You wonder what this was and everything is nice again. 572 00:52:29,625 --> 00:52:31,875 Until you realize it's going to fall apart 573 00:52:32,042 --> 00:52:34,500 and become a complete cacophony. 574 00:52:38,125 --> 00:52:42,500 I remember when we broke up, 575 00:52:42,958 --> 00:52:46,750 then for me it was one of those drops in the cup, 576 00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:50,833 there were a lot of drops, which eventually overthrew it, 577 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,250 but I saw for months, 578 00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:57,083 how the credit card limit was 80,000 kroons. 579 00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:59,542 Which was huge at the time. 580 00:52:59,708 --> 00:53:02,708 And he was able to spend it every month. 581 00:53:03,292 --> 00:53:08,292 And the credit came on again, he paid off old debts, 582 00:53:08,458 --> 00:53:11,292 that was not a problem, money came in all the time. 583 00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,917 It was amazing, that he had money all the time, 584 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,458 money went out and came in, again and again. 585 00:53:16,583 --> 00:53:17,999 Bragging. 586 00:53:19,208 --> 00:53:22,083 Or maybe the word is boasting. 587 00:53:23,042 --> 00:53:24,792 She's bragging. 588 00:53:25,292 --> 00:53:26,458 Yeah. 589 00:53:26,583 --> 00:53:29,250 And they started doing that a lot with Uku. 590 00:53:29,542 --> 00:53:33,375 They began to brag about their wealth. 591 00:53:34,458 --> 00:53:39,083 What's the use of a large three-storey house, 592 00:53:39,708 --> 00:53:45,458 with plenty of space for two adults and one child, 593 00:53:46,417 --> 00:53:49,208 if you don't want to go home. 594 00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:25,542 It was a house where you could get lost. 595 00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:30,750 Hide when you misbehaved. 596 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,708 Christopher! 597 00:55:05,833 --> 00:55:09,667 I remember the children who lived on our street. 598 00:55:09,999 --> 00:55:12,042 I think they just didn't like me 599 00:55:12,167 --> 00:55:15,958 or they were jealous because I lived in a big house. 600 00:55:16,042 --> 00:55:19,083 When one boy came to our house, 601 00:55:19,625 --> 00:55:22,375 his first question was how many computers you have. 602 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:28,917 And it was the house, where my family broke up. 603 00:55:29,917 --> 00:55:33,333 It was pretty big, over 200 square meters. 604 00:55:33,458 --> 00:55:39,667 And through three floors, of course it was beautiful. 605 00:55:39,833 --> 00:55:44,500 Katri said one thing very correctly and aptly. 606 00:55:45,042 --> 00:55:49,833 The family was all together at some party in their house. 607 00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:54,333 Christmas or someone's birthday, I don't remember. 608 00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:59,583 Everyone was present except Uku, Uku was not there. 609 00:56:00,583 --> 00:56:04,625 Someone dared to ask at the table, where is Uku? 610 00:56:05,625 --> 00:56:10,458 And of course I said that Uku has a new secretary. 611 00:56:12,083 --> 00:56:17,833 At the same time, Katri went to kitchen, 612 00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:23,667 and said with laughter, it's just a long legged gold digger, 613 00:56:24,208 --> 00:56:26,583 Uku will be home soon. 614 00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:32,458 He knew all this time about my existence, 615 00:56:32,625 --> 00:56:34,667 where I am and what I do. 616 00:56:35,417 --> 00:56:39,542 We were both involved with someone else then. 617 00:56:39,667 --> 00:56:44,083 It was obvious that we could not communicate more closely. 618 00:56:44,458 --> 00:56:48,708 He noticed me and people around him noticed also. 619 00:56:49,083 --> 00:56:53,083 He found out who I was and made a decision for himself. 620 00:56:54,458 --> 00:56:58,417 And the next time we met, he came to me, 621 00:56:58,542 --> 00:57:02,583 and he had made a decision, that he has plans with me. 622 00:57:26,708 --> 00:57:29,999 He actually suggested that I come to work for him. 623 00:57:33,792 --> 00:57:40,792 Love. 624 00:57:40,999 --> 00:57:44,000 That day was very beautiful, just as I had chosen. 625 00:57:44,125 --> 00:57:48,999 It had to be sunny and it was sunny, yet also very windy. 626 00:57:49,792 --> 00:57:53,500 And since I wanted to get married on Tuesday at noon, 627 00:57:53,958 --> 00:58:00,083 on Tuesday because it was June 15th, and it turned out to be Tuesday, 628 00:58:00,417 --> 00:58:03,083 so it had to be on Tuesday at noon. 629 00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:10,500 My position as a bystander is that Uku was Kertu's next victim. 630 00:58:11,167 --> 00:58:17,250 Well, she really praised me, 631 00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:21,333 loudly, in the presence of Uku. 632 00:58:21,667 --> 00:58:27,375 Tried to draw Uku's attention to the fact that I was a worthy woman. 633 00:58:30,917 --> 00:58:34,042 Oh, I don't know what changed. 634 00:58:34,167 --> 00:58:38,042 The relationship between Marju and Uku is extremely complex. 635 00:58:38,167 --> 00:58:43,417 Marju, as she herself has said, has been very dependent on Uku. 636 00:58:44,083 --> 00:58:46,875 Both emotionally and financially. 637 00:58:47,208 --> 00:58:52,083 I think, Uku felt a certain responsibility towards Marju. 638 00:58:52,292 --> 00:58:55,708 And I'm absolutely not surprised, 639 00:58:57,625 --> 00:59:03,292 when some other women suddenly appeared in Uku's life, 640 00:59:03,417 --> 00:59:06,208 then of course you feel threatened, 641 00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:08,917 for someone will take away your voice, 642 00:59:09,042 --> 00:59:12,750 you don't know how much attention you get. 643 00:59:12,917 --> 00:59:15,542 And pragmatically, you don't know 644 00:59:15,625 --> 00:59:18,750 what will happen to your financial situation. 645 00:59:19,458 --> 00:59:21,667 Think about it, 646 00:59:21,792 --> 00:59:25,999 Uku starts rehearsing with his band-mates at the age of 16. 647 00:59:26,042 --> 00:59:28,542 You're 16, you're starting to grow up, 648 00:59:28,667 --> 00:59:32,625 this is your life and you are a young man. 649 00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:36,625 And your mom hangs out with you and your friends in a band rehearsal. 650 00:59:36,708 --> 00:59:40,583 I would be very angry. Like where is my life? 651 00:59:44,375 --> 00:59:50,208 Luck runs out. 652 00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:54,625 One day they came to me, both Uku and Kertu, 653 00:59:54,999 --> 00:59:59,542 that now I should quickly sign something for them. 654 00:59:59,958 --> 01:00:03,375 They have this great opportunity 655 01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:08,208 to buy a house from our acquaintance. 656 01:00:08,375 --> 01:00:15,125 Of course, it costs lot of money, but Uku could start developing it. 657 01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:19,458 To fix the house and sell the apartments. 658 01:00:26,542 --> 01:00:31,500 What problems has this new owner caused here? 659 01:00:31,958 --> 01:00:36,125 The new owner shouldn't have touched us at all, 660 01:00:36,250 --> 01:00:39,042 before we get apartments from the city. 661 01:00:39,208 --> 01:00:44,000 House owner Uku Kuut is cunning like a fox when dealing with the media. 662 01:00:44,125 --> 01:00:46,417 Attack the opponent with the same means. 663 01:00:46,542 --> 01:00:50,458 Let's do it like this. Although we had no plans to attack. 664 01:00:50,999 --> 01:00:54,750 Now there are two copies of our conversation 665 01:00:54,917 --> 01:00:59,792 and if ours is lost, then we can borrow from Uku. 666 01:01:02,333 --> 01:01:04,292 Residents complain. - Yes. 667 01:01:05,125 --> 01:01:10,667 I am very sorry for them. I am very sorry for all the tenants. 668 01:01:11,875 --> 01:01:14,917 That doesn't stop you from demolishing the roof, 669 01:01:14,958 --> 01:01:18,042 breaking the chimney, turning off the gas, 670 01:01:18,167 --> 01:01:20,708 I don't know, water or anything here. 671 01:01:21,958 --> 01:01:24,333 What do you want me to say? 672 01:01:25,208 --> 01:01:31,208 Apparently as a result of your actions, they are now in such a bad situation? 673 01:01:31,333 --> 01:01:33,999 I don't think so, did you visit them? 674 01:01:34,999 --> 01:01:38,583 I did, I visited the apartments and everywhere. 675 01:01:38,708 --> 01:01:40,417 Liveable and decent? 676 01:01:40,625 --> 01:01:43,500 Well, I wouldn't say that. - I think the same. 677 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:47,458 Do you think this house will stand for another year without repairs? 678 01:01:47,583 --> 01:01:50,917 Without repairs it's clear it won't stand. 679 01:01:50,999 --> 01:01:53,458 But what do the residents expect from you? 680 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,125 We lost everything in our life because of this project. 681 01:01:58,917 --> 01:02:00,667 We lost our home. 682 01:02:01,999 --> 01:02:03,999 Uku lost his health. 683 01:02:05,167 --> 01:02:09,583 And I didn't know if Uku was tired of those tensions, 684 01:02:11,667 --> 01:02:15,917 or is there something wrong with his health, or just like... 685 01:02:15,999 --> 01:02:21,667 In fact, we sold everything and paid off the debts 686 01:02:21,792 --> 01:02:27,583 we owed to someone who bought an apartment there. 687 01:02:27,999 --> 01:02:30,500 We repaid the debt to them. 688 01:02:30,625 --> 01:02:33,958 Basically, we gave away everything we had. 689 01:02:35,208 --> 01:02:40,792 We did not knowingly remain in debt to anyone. 690 01:02:42,125 --> 01:02:46,792 And then I got my husband back, 691 01:02:47,042 --> 01:02:51,542 who had worked on this project every day for years. 692 01:02:51,708 --> 01:02:56,667 I got a squeezed lemon, who couldn't even get out of bed. 693 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,542 I can imagine what was going on inside him, 694 01:02:59,667 --> 01:03:01,999 but I saw that he was physically tired. 695 01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:06,417 In fact, he sensed his illness. 696 01:03:07,042 --> 01:03:10,625 He played the drums in the studio 697 01:03:10,792 --> 01:03:14,083 and said he could no longer beat the rhythm. 698 01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:16,999 His leg no longer works like this. 699 01:03:17,583 --> 01:03:21,833 Uku starts filming his drumming, to capture coordination failures. 700 01:03:30,625 --> 01:03:31,875 He... 701 01:03:34,542 --> 01:03:40,875 He couldn't squat or step up the stairs, because his body stiffened. 702 01:03:41,875 --> 01:03:46,667 And we didn't know that this is the beginning of the disease. 703 01:03:52,833 --> 01:03:56,917 I don't know if he had any suicidal thoughts, but... 704 01:04:00,125 --> 01:04:01,458 Well, I... 705 01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:06,042 Then Uku probably wanted to move to Saaremaa. 706 01:04:06,333 --> 01:04:10,792 Uku told me some stories, how some things were in his childhood. 707 01:04:11,292 --> 01:04:16,250 Some memories of the people and neighbors who lived there, 708 01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:18,583 how they lived their daily lives. 709 01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:22,167 He spent all summers of his childhood there. 710 01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:27,708 It included chickens and sheep, 711 01:04:29,125 --> 01:04:34,625 garden work and caring for animals with grand-aunt. 712 01:04:36,625 --> 01:04:40,917 It was such a mystery to me and another example of who he really was. 713 01:04:41,042 --> 01:04:44,042 Anyone else would have given up, 714 01:04:44,167 --> 01:04:47,667 just meditated for as long you have left. 715 01:04:47,875 --> 01:04:51,250 But he took the bull by the horn, and began to make music. 716 01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:01,833 Musician. 717 01:05:02,042 --> 01:05:08,500 People keep sending it to me and asking what I know about it 718 01:05:08,708 --> 01:05:10,583 and if I know him. 719 01:05:10,708 --> 01:05:14,792 Yeah, people send the track “Vision of Estonia” to me 720 01:05:14,875 --> 01:05:17,833 every few months, asking if I know it. 721 01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:38,458 I don't know exactly, how they got in touch with each other. 722 01:05:39,167 --> 01:05:41,083 He had agreed what he could, 723 01:05:41,167 --> 01:05:43,999 and started to release his records, his songs. 724 01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:47,458 Then he said, you know Kertu, 725 01:05:48,583 --> 01:05:51,583 apparently, this disease was given to me, 726 01:05:51,667 --> 01:05:53,625 so I could do my music. 727 01:05:53,833 --> 01:05:57,875 I basically found Uku not through his records, 728 01:05:57,999 --> 01:06:01,708 but through his CD Santa Monica, 729 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,999 and there was something about this. 730 01:06:05,125 --> 01:06:11,958 I was like, why is there a pair of loafers sitting on this park bench here? 731 01:06:12,250 --> 01:06:15,208 So I figured this guy is got to be really cool. 732 01:06:15,333 --> 01:06:18,542 We got in touch through his Myspace page. 733 01:06:18,583 --> 01:06:23,250 There was one song on Santa Monica CD - Vision of Estonia, 734 01:06:23,667 --> 01:06:27,417 which is a killer instrumental, it's just really laid back. 735 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,833 Why almost anything, 736 01:06:37,999 --> 01:06:41,250 except for music, at the very end of his life, 737 01:06:43,042 --> 01:06:46,208 was not successful for him. 738 01:06:47,208 --> 01:06:52,042 In other words, there are periods in everyone's life, 739 01:06:52,208 --> 01:06:55,708 when you experiment with things, you look for your DNA 740 01:06:55,833 --> 01:06:59,999 and your calling, your education, your companions and... 741 01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:02,458 what makes you happy. 742 01:07:02,625 --> 01:07:05,042 This was like his safety zone, 743 01:07:05,167 --> 01:07:11,083 where he was able to act on his own, without any influencers or limiters. 744 01:07:11,583 --> 01:07:16,667 He put his heart and thoughts into music. 745 01:07:16,999 --> 01:07:21,583 And used effectively the energy he had. 746 01:07:21,875 --> 01:07:25,625 What was in the opposite direction first, 747 01:07:25,792 --> 01:07:30,000 that he's sick and the end could be so and so. 748 01:07:30,333 --> 01:07:35,750 I know it myself, why I came here, home to Sweden, in solitude? 749 01:07:35,999 --> 01:07:39,125 I could finally work in peace, without distractions. 750 01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:44,833 He had this excellent feature, he didn't let anything to disturb him. 751 01:07:45,083 --> 01:07:48,958 And did his thing, as long as it was still possible. 752 01:07:49,083 --> 01:07:54,708 Then, in fact, his music was released, and the attention began to emerge. 753 01:07:54,875 --> 01:08:00,208 First of all, I think he knew he really was valuable as a musician. 754 01:08:00,625 --> 01:08:05,583 And whether he was ahead of time, behind time, or outside of time, 755 01:08:05,667 --> 01:08:08,917 this is the great mystery of his story. 756 01:08:22,917 --> 01:08:24,999 When I first heard Uku’s music, 757 01:08:25,083 --> 01:08:28,833 I just connected so much with it. 758 01:08:29,042 --> 01:08:31,958 I was like, wow, this guy gets it. 759 01:08:32,042 --> 01:08:36,125 You know, sort of when I heard Dam-Funk’s music. 760 01:08:36,250 --> 01:08:40,875 I discovered Uku’s music through PPU of course. 761 01:08:41,333 --> 01:08:44,542 Automatically, I took to a song called „Soft Fashion“. 762 01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:16,792 The LA vibe was in it, you know what I’m saying 763 01:09:16,958 --> 01:09:20,708 and I just really connected with the chords 764 01:09:20,833 --> 01:09:22,958 and different things he was doing. 765 01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:42,542 With Dâm-Funk you can hear it - similar musical sources, 766 01:09:42,667 --> 01:09:45,792 specifically the softness of Uku’s sound. 767 01:09:52,583 --> 01:09:54,875 A man is the architect of his life, 768 01:09:54,958 --> 01:09:58,875 and then you build your kind of imaginary memory cathedral. 769 01:09:58,999 --> 01:10:02,500 It was in many ways his life that he really lived, 770 01:10:02,625 --> 01:10:05,875 and in many ways the life he had devised for himself. 771 01:10:05,999 --> 01:10:09,833 It was the purpose for which to get out of bed in the morning. 772 01:10:10,999 --> 01:10:15,999 That is what makes it very difficult for seriously ill people 773 01:10:16,083 --> 01:10:20,542 to cope with their lives, they fall into depression. 774 01:10:21,708 --> 01:10:25,625 And their illness is like one long period of depression. 775 01:10:25,999 --> 01:10:29,625 But by that time, which is also a huge help to him, 776 01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:32,542 he had a lot of life experience. 777 01:10:36,542 --> 01:10:42,375 And all of this helped him peacefully focus on his mission. 778 01:10:42,958 --> 01:10:46,625 And it really gave meaning to his life, his days. 779 01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:50,500 We had a day plan, I knew why I had to do some things, 780 01:10:50,583 --> 01:10:53,542 because I knew what Uku had to do during the day. 781 01:10:53,792 --> 01:10:58,375 There was my role and his role. My role was to help him in his roles. 782 01:11:01,917 --> 01:11:06,083 In my opinion, Uku achieved complete earthly asceticism. 783 01:11:08,583 --> 01:11:10,750 You have nothing left. 784 01:11:10,999 --> 01:11:14,917 You can't even drive a fly off your nose. 785 01:11:15,208 --> 01:11:18,375 You have to accept everything in your life. 786 01:11:19,917 --> 01:11:22,417 Total reconciliation. 787 01:15:01,292 --> 01:15:02,667 I love you. 788 01:15:09,292 --> 01:15:10,833 Dear Uku... 789 01:15:13,042 --> 01:15:15,833 This is your mommy here. 790 01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:21,625 I just want to say that I'm so proud of you. 791 01:15:22,333 --> 01:15:24,417 I'm so-so proud of you. 792 01:15:24,792 --> 01:15:26,833 And like you said to me... 793 01:15:28,999 --> 01:15:30,625 Let's do it, my dear. 794 01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:32,917 Goodbye! 795 01:15:39,458 --> 01:15:43,042 I was so glad to hear your voice, darling. 796 01:15:49,999 --> 01:15:51,292 Thank you. 797 01:19:25,167 --> 01:19:32,792 A playful re-created documentary in three acts.