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[intriguing music playing]
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[Miles Mullins] What happened that day?
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How did the boat get out that far?
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[Jill Mullins] Why would no boats notice
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this unmanned vessel
traveling all that distance?
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[Miles] There was just
so many things that made no sense.
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[Gray Mullins] They won't say homicide.
They won't say suicide.
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Any reasonable person looks at this
and decides, "boom,"
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this is not a suicide.
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This is a murder.
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[mysterious music playing]
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{\an8}[tranquil music playing]
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[Jill] When we moved up here,
Bradenton was a pretty small town.
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My husband Pat and I were able
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{\an8}to purchase a house that was on a river.
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And it was a great place
to raise the kids.
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[Miles] A big part of my time
growing up in Bradenton
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was just being out in the water
fishing some.
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I had a good time hanging out.
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{\an8}So there are spots I know
I can take my little dingy,
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{\an8}and go push it up on shore,
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and hop out,
and hang out for a little bit.
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-[Mason Mullins on video] Oh, my God!
-[Miles laughing]
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[Miles] Hey, stop!
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[Gray] My brother Pat and I
grew up on the water.
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{\an8}Boats were everywhere.
I mean, we all had boats.
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And we were able to go out all the time.
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Pat's boat was a 14-foot Stumpnocker.
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Growing up, Pat really coveted them.
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You know, it was like,
"Boy, that would be the boat to have."
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Stumpnocker is a brand.
It's a flat-bottom boat.
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[motor starting]
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[Jill] Stumpnocker was pretty much
for the Braden River,
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which was extremely shallow.
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[Miles] We would go out mullet fishing,
and it was kind of magical almost.
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You could see a fish take off underwater
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'cause you see
its trail glow in the water.
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So that was always fun.
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It was just a peaceful place to be.
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{\an8}[Jill] On January 27th, 2013,
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{\an8}I was going down
to my sister's house in Sarasota.
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I didn't know
what Pat's plans were for the day,
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but he had numerous outboard motors
that he always wanted to be working on.
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Pat wished me a good day,
gave me a kiss, and off I went.
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I came home that night,
6:30, I think, 7:00.
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And when I got home, Pat wasn't there.
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His truck was there, so I thought
he was at a neighbor's house.
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I called his cell phone,
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but Pat didn't like
to carry his cell phone.
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So that wasn't a surprise
not to get an answer.
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I went outside and looked for him.
I looked at the neighbors' houses.
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I didn't see him.
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We had a pretty regular routine.
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On a Sunday,
we considered it a work night,
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and we kind of started winding down
about 7:00,
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so it was odd that he wasn't home.
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It was getting later,
and I got more and more nervous.
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Then I walked out
to where our Stumpnocker was kept.
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It was not there.
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When I realized
that the Stumpnocker was gone,
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then I realized I needed help.
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So I called my son Miles.
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I was in Tampa
studying my bachelor's degree program,
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and I told my mom not to worry about it.
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I think he had spoken
to one of my uncles the day prior
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and mentioned that he was gonna
go take the boat out for a spin.
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Just to go run some gas through it.
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He'll get home. He's the last person
you'd have to worry about
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being able to find his way home.
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Then it got later, and she called again,
and said, "He's not back."
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I had known that something
was different or out of the ordinary,
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so I just immediately left Tampa
and drove down to Bradenton.
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[Jill] I called my brother-in-law.
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This was probably 11 o'clock at night.
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I was kind of silent
because I didn't wanna ask him
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to please go out in the boat
and try to find Pat,
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but he asked, "Do you want me to?"
And I... "Yes, please."
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[Miles] The uncles met me
at the boat ramp with my boat.
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So I just jumped on
and we started searching.
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We focused on the Braden River
because we knew he was on the Stumpnocker,
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which is designed for shallow water.
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I think it's highly unlikely
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that he would take the Stumpnocker
into the Manatee River.
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Its intended area of use
was the Braden River,
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and that's where it stayed.
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We did the main routes,
and when we didn't find anything on that,
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we started to go into all the small
little nooks and crannies and streams.
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[Rabun Moss] After 11:00 p.m. at night,
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we received a call from Jill Mullins,
Patrick Mullins' wife,
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that he was missing.
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He went out on the boat and didn't return.
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{\an8}At that time,
we asked the common missing questions,
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{\an8}"Any problems or anything?
Did he leave a note?"
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{\an8}"Did he have his phone with him?"
Which he did not have his phone with him.
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"How is your relationship?
Did you have money troubles?"
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Um...
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"Do you own a weapon?
Does your husband own a weapon?"
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They went and checked out
a couple of boat bars.
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Pat was not a bar person.
Boat or otherwise.
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We started a search operation
with our marine unit
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to commence searching
for a lost boater at that point.
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We know that Patrick was seen
by his neighbors leaving in his boat
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around 3:00 that day.
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And we had no indication
that any other person was with him.
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{\an8}His boat was a riverboat.
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So we concentrated on the area
of the Braden River and the Manatee River.
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[Jill] And then the Coast Guard
became involved.
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[Roy Cromer] At 2:40 in the morning
on January 28th,
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{\an8}the Manatee County Sheriff's Office
notified us
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{\an8}of Mr. Mullins' missing status.
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Whether he was underway on his boat
or in the water was unknown at that time.
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So in a search and rescue case,
time is not exactly your friend.
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The longer you search,
the farther something could drift,
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and we don't know
what exactly we're looking for.
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Whether it's an upright boat,
a capsized boat, or a person in the water.
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-[indistinct radio chatter]
-[suspenseful music playing]
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[Jill] Helicopters went over our house
in the neighborhood all night long.
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I was very worried.
Something was very wrong.
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[Stephen Covey]
The most obvious thought to me
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{\an8}was that Pat had broken down
or he had back problems.
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{\an8}Maybe he'd hurt his back or something.
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We kind of expected to find him stuck
on shore with something broken.
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I had to think that it had to be
some kind of physical ailment
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because if something had happened
with the boat,
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it's almost impossible to think
that he couldn't fix it and get home.
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{\an8}[Jill] The next day after Pat disappeared,
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the Manatee Sheriff's Office called
and said the Stumpnocker had been found.
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[sinister music playing]
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[Miles] The boat was found
northwest of Egmont Key.
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It was in the shipping channel
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that a lot of these large container ships
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coming to deliver goods use.
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So definitely not where
it's supposed to be.
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[Jill] The boat was amazingly far out.
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So far from our house.
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I don't see how
it could have traveled that far.
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[Miles] His belongings were in the boat.
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But he wasn't with it.
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[Rabun] It had a life vest in it,
sunglasses, and a straw hat.
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But the anchor was not in the boat,
and it was out of gas.
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The engine was set to idle.
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The ignition was on,
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indicating that it possibly ran dry
while it was in the idle state.
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There was no indication of a crime scene.
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There was no obvious sign of injury
or anything traumatic that happened.
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Could have been a medical event.
Fell overboard.
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Boat could've not have functioned
and he got off somewhere.
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It was unknown at that point.
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We did do an in-depth investigation of Pat
to try to find out financial...
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"Was he having problems?"
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Phone records,
see who he was in communication with.
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There was no troubled areas in his past
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or problems that we could center on
that might lead us to conclude
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that he went missing on his own
or someone else caused him to go missing.
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We had no idea what happened to Pat.
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At the time the boat was found,
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they ultimately released it back
to the family.
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[Miles] We did go
and take a look at the boat.
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At first, nothing looked
out of the ordinary.
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But we did notice
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just some kind of light-red
paint markings on the side of the boat.
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And that was something
that was not there in the past.
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It was interesting and something to note,
but we didn't know what to think about it.
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[somber music playing]
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After the boat was found
without my father in it,
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everyone was still thinking,
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"Where do we go from here? What's next?"
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"Did he get onto land somewhere?
Which island did we not see yet?"
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"What could have happened here?"
Just more questions. No answers.
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[Jill on video] And back to Patrick.
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[Jill] Pat and I were married in 1983.
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Pat and I had two children.
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Our eldest is Mason,
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and about two years later,
Miles came along.
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[Miles] My dad taught fourth grade
for 21 or 22 years
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before he and my mother went
and got their graduate degrees,
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and they both became librarians.
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At the high school where he worked,
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he was really loved and respected
by the kids because he cared.
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He might have ten or 12 kids staying
until six or seven at night,
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and he would just stay there,
and keep the library open.
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And he always got the children who
needed that little bit extra.
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The children who didn't have
a father figure in their life.
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[Gray] I have two brothers
and two sisters.
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We all were so
compelled to work on things,
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and tinker, and tear them apart,
and put them back together.
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And Pat was good at all of it.
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He was brilliant.
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[Dr. Mark Sylvester]
He was very regimented.
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{\an8}He was very disciplined.
He was very, um, serious first.
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[Miles] He was by the books.
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He did things the way
that they were supposed to be done.
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That was kind of him. Very cautious.
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[on video] It's...
It's a Coleman table lamp.
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[Jill] Pat was living a good life.
He was vital...
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-[Pat] Hi, Jill.
-[robot parrot] Hi, Jill.
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...and he was close to retiring soon.
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And was looking forward to his future.
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{\an8}[reporter 1] A family is desperate tonight
as a man remains missing.
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{\an8}[reporter 2] There's speculation
that he may have fallen off that boat
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{\an8}long before they found it.
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{\an8}[reporter 3] Rescue crews
will continue searching
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{\an8}even though the danger of hypothermia
makes survival chances slim.
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[Roy] So after the boat was found,
we continued searching
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'cause we're looking
for a person in the water.
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When we found the empty boat,
we had our best clue,
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so we can kind of backtrack from there
and figure out
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where the person
we're looking for might be.
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So looking at where they found the boat,
it was about nine miles offshore.
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It was essentially open ocean
in the Gulf of Mexico.
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When we find an unmanned vessel
in a location like this,
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what we're trying to do is figure out
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where we think it most likely came from
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using the surface currents
and the wind data.
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So we use a method
called the "reverse drift method."
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The wind was out of the east that night,
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and with the tide also pushing offshore,
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we estimated that the vessel
probably drifted from somewhere
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in the lower Tampa Bay.
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Searching for a person
for an extended period of time
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is definitely challenging.
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We certainly don't slow down
any of the search efforts
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once we find an empty boat.
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[Jill] After the Stumpnocker was found,
it was a very long week
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waiting to find out if Pat would be found.
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Hoping that he'd be found alive.
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But really praying
that he would simply be found
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because an answer at least is an answer.
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[Geoffrey Page] After they found the boat
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{\an8}and the man was missing,
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{\an8}I was fishing every day.
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I am a full-time saltwater fishing guide,
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and I was on my way in from a charter.
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And as we approached Emerson Point,
one of my clients said,
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"Captain, Captain!
What is that out there?"
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And I started to see
what looked like a body,
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but I wasn't sure.
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[ominous music playing]
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So we eased up to him very slowly.
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And then it clicked.
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I said, "Boys,
this is that school teacher."
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They had found the boat north of Egmont.
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I knew, "That guy's gonna pop up."
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And sure enough, he popped up.
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I noticed that he had
some type of shirt, blue jeans, belt,
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one shoe missing, one shoe off.
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Everything was clean as a whistle.
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I mean, all the hairs on his arm,
his hands,
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wristwatch, wallet in the pocket.
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And this rope was wrapped around him.
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I mean, it was very well...
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intricately wrapped under arm,
around the neck, through the chest.
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The rope went down the water,
and there was a little bitty, tiny anchor
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dug into the sand.
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I think it was four-to-six feet of water
at the most,
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complete sand bottom.
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I didn't flip him over
or touch him in any way,
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but it was crystal clear water,
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and I looked, and I could see the face,
and there was no nose or face.
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It was just...
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Looked like spaghetti.
That's the best way I could describe it.
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I called the Florida Marine Patrol,
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and they had an agent out there
within 40 minutes.
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[Jill] It was February 5th
that I got a phone call
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saying that a body had been found.
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That was Pat.
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It was horrible.
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[Gray] I was searching all the areas
where they actually found him.
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That was my area.
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I've thought about it a lot.
You know, "Did I wanna find him?"
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[sighs]
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It's a good thing.
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I didn't need to find him.
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So I think that was luck.
That was just luck.
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I do remember when his body was found, uh...
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thinking how lucky...
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how lucky I was
to have him in my life as long as I did.
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Because there's people out there
that don't have that.
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Um, so that was, uh...
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that was sad.
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[Jill on video] Maybe?
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-[Miles on video] Yes!
-[Pat laughing]
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[Dr. Russell Vega]
When we first saw the body,
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the body was fully clothed,
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with the exception of one shoe,
with a rope and anchor tied around it.
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The body was
in a moderate state of decomposition,
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{\an8}consistent with the body being out there
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{\an8}for eight or nine days.
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But there's really no way
to be able to narrow it down specifically.
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It was clear that there had been
some kind of severe head trauma.
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There were six separate exit perforations
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on the left side of the skull,
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and then what appeared to be
one larger perforation on the right side.
294
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So this was clearly a pattern of a shotgun
with some kind of buckshot.
295
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The gunshot wound
came from the right side.
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Definitely from right to left,
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a little bit upward,
and a little bit backward,
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to exit on this side.
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In this case, we don't know
if it was suicide or homicide.
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So we have
currently listed in our reports,
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"The manner of death is undetermined."
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But the arms were not bound up at all,
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so I consider the possibility
that suicide occurred in this way...
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a very reasonable possibility.
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[mysterious music playing]
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[Jill] We met at the
medical examiner's office,
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and the medical examiner told us
that he really leaned towards suicide.
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He said that the ropes
would be tied differently
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if it were a homicide.
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I thought, "Okay, let's look at this.
This is a suicide."
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But I couldn't find any reason to think
what they were telling me was true.
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My name is Lee Williams.
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I was an investigative reporter
at the Herald Tribune in Sarasota.
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{\an8}The sheriff's office said it was a suicide
before Pat was even pulled from the water.
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{\an8}And from then on,
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{\an8}they just pressured Jill to accept
the fact that her husband killed himself.
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When I interviewed
law enforcement about this,
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they tried to get me
to buy into the suicide theory.
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They were trying to convince me
to leave this one alone
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because it was a suicide,
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and that's probably
the best thing for the family.
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[Miles] The police suicide theory
was that he tied that rope around himself,
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tied to this anchor,
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positioned himself
on the edge of the Stumpnocker,
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shoots himself,
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went overboard.
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How would you get to that outcome?
328
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Or why would you assume a suicide
under those circumstances?
329
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It didn't really make any sense to us.
330
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[Jill] I was really surprised
331
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when we learned that Pat died
of a shotgun wound to the head.
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We never had any guns in our house.
333
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Pat...
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no, he didn't really
have the interest in them.
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[Lee] The Manatee County Sheriff's Office
did a forensic audit of his bank accounts.
336
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He never got the money out
to buy a shotgun.
337
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He didn't have any shotgun,
never owned one,
338
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never had any shotgun shells.
339
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They checked local dealers.
I called local gun dealers.
340
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Nobody had sold Pat Mullins a shotgun.
341
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There's also no note or anything found
that would lead us up to suicide.
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Based on what I think Pat's life was like
and his personality,
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I just don't think
that suicide was an option for him.
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Even before he went out
on the Stumpnocker that day,
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he bought, like, I think they were
some discount welding goggles
346
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that he wouldn't need for today
and had no plans for.
347
00:23:01,588 --> 00:23:04,091
But it was a good buy,
so he bought it for later.
348
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He just had plans for later.
349
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He was excited for the future.
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[Jill] He wanted to be
a grandfather so much.
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That was big in his mind.
352
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We were gonna be celebrating
our 30th anniversary that June.
353
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There was just too much positive
to say goodbye to the world.
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[pensive music playing]
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[Miles] Another thing
that didn't make sense
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is the way the rope was tied on him
when he was found.
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It wasn't something that my dad,
or any boat person,
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would be doing knot-wise.
359
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They weren't knots
that he would have chosen to use.
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I think he would have done it
with one good knot
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if he were to have committed suicide.
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00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:52,347
[Jill] I kept hearing
from the sheriff's department,
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"It was clearly not homicide
because Pat's hands weren't tied."
364
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Well, why would you need to tie hands
if perhaps he was killed beforehand?
365
00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:10,907
Pat would need to be unconscious
or already gone to be wrapped like that.
366
00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:14,494
{\an8}[mysterious music playing]
367
00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:19,291
{\an8}I even had the primary detective,
at one point,
368
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:21,626
{\an8}phone me and ask me to be reasonable.
369
00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:27,716
{\an8}That if somebody were to have killed Pat,
then they would have taken his wallet.
370
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,428
I don't know why
somebody killed my husband,
371
00:24:31,511 --> 00:24:36,099
but I don't think Pat was killed
for the eight dollars he had.
372
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{\an8}[mysterious music continues]
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So I want you to wrap the ropes around you
in the same manner.
374
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Tie the same sorts of knots...
375
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{\an8}I'm Lori Baker. I'm a professor
of anthropology and forensic science.
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So, initially, when I was
called about the Patrick Mullins case,
377
00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:07,964
I was told there wasn't certainty
whether it was homicide or suicide.
378
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,343
He was shot with a shotgun,
379
00:25:12,135 --> 00:25:14,137
but he wasn't recovered on the boat.
380
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:17,015
The shotgun wasn't recovered on the boat.
381
00:25:17,807 --> 00:25:22,020
Just the idea of the way
that he was wrapped within the ropes
382
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:24,189
sounded really unusual.
383
00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:27,567
It's not something I've seen
in a suicide case.
384
00:25:27,651 --> 00:25:29,653
-Around the waist, I think.
-[man] Okay.
385
00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,739
[Lori] So we're trying to
reconstruct it being a suicide
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00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:35,075
with a grown man tying himself up,
387
00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:39,996
being on the edge of the boat
with an anchor tying you down.
388
00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:43,250
And then how do you hold a gun,
389
00:25:43,333 --> 00:25:46,294
given what we know
about the trajectory of the gun?
390
00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:49,089
How would he have sat on the boat
391
00:25:49,172 --> 00:25:53,051
to ensure that he went into the water
along with the shotgun
392
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,929
while tied to the anchor?
393
00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:01,851
Why don't you put the anchor in the water?
394
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:03,645
[man grunts]
395
00:26:06,606 --> 00:26:09,067
-[Lori] So it's pulling pretty good. Okay.
-Yeah.
396
00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:16,199
The angle, in this case, is unusual
and not typical at all for a suicide.
397
00:26:17,617 --> 00:26:20,203
Theoretically,
if this were an 18-inch barrel,
398
00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,330
like a tactical shotgun,
399
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,541
it's heavy and it's unwieldy.
400
00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:26,334
So you're gonna brace it,
401
00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:30,380
and you're gonna brace it up next to
the area that you're gonna fire at.
402
00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:35,719
But what's interesting is,
when we look at the skeleton,
403
00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,387
there are no black marks on there.
404
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:41,266
There would definitely be something
if this were a contact wound.
405
00:26:41,891 --> 00:26:44,019
The fact that it's not a contact wound
406
00:26:44,102 --> 00:26:46,021
using something
that's long-barreled like this,
407
00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,649
it doesn't make it most likely
to have happened that way.
408
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:54,070
{\an8}In our experience,
most gunshot suicides are contact wounds.
409
00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:57,616
{\an8}The muzzle of the weapon is placed
right up against the skin
410
00:26:57,699 --> 00:26:58,908
{\an8}at the time it's fired.
411
00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:03,705
{\an8}But the wound in this particular case
being on the side of the head?
412
00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:07,542
I haven't seen one with a shotgun
in that location before.
413
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:09,753
So if you're holding that,
414
00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,672
it's gonna be coming in
right at your jawline here,
415
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:16,593
and not too much at an angle,
so it's kind of actually...
416
00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:18,219
Yeah, that's an awkward position.
417
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,430
-[Lori] It's an awkward position.
-It's not natural.
418
00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:22,098
[trigger clicks]
419
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,987
[Lori] Immediately after
a gunshot wound to the head,
420
00:27:36,071 --> 00:27:38,490
with the amount of
blood that there would have been...
421
00:27:38,573 --> 00:27:40,033
it would be in the boat.
422
00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:46,748
It would be almost impossible to do this
and not get blood in the boat.
423
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:53,338
[Rabun] After the body was found,
we did go back to Patrick's boat,
424
00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:56,800
and we did luminol testing on it
for blood spatter.
425
00:27:58,426 --> 00:28:00,804
Unfortunately,
we didn't get any blood spatter.
426
00:28:05,934 --> 00:28:08,603
Whatever happened,
maybe blood didn't get on the boat.
427
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,397
It was undetermined at that point.
428
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,234
We didn't have enough information
to make a sound conclusion on that.
429
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,116
[Lori] I still can't get over it.
430
00:28:21,199 --> 00:28:24,369
Even as we stood there,
and it was a still day out on the water,
431
00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:27,247
there wasn't much of a breeze,
but there was a breeze.
432
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:31,418
And that breeze, and the amount of spray
433
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:36,131
from the type of trauma that occurred
from that kind of projectile,
434
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:40,552
it's very challenging even when you try
to do something like this
435
00:28:40,635 --> 00:28:42,929
to not leave any trace evidence.
436
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:49,310
The absence of trace evidence, to me,
437
00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:52,313
makes it less likely
that it occurred in the boat.
438
00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:57,068
[Lee] He clearly
wasn't killed in that boat.
439
00:28:57,152 --> 00:28:59,612
There's zero biological evidence in there.
440
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,907
So he was killed elsewhere, which...
441
00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:05,994
a pretty reasonable person would conclude
442
00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:08,163
means that this was not a suicide.
443
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:09,330
This is a murder.
444
00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:16,921
The thing that I find perplexing
when I looked at the photographs
445
00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:22,010
is there's absolutely no indication
that they were any scavengers
446
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:24,345
that did anything to his body
447
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:27,140
while it was in the water
for almost ten days.
448
00:29:29,893 --> 00:29:34,564
After a gunshot wound to the head,
there's so much blood that happens.
449
00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:40,612
Within just a few minutes,
450
00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:44,866
you'd start to see some scavenging
activity by something within the water.
451
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:49,412
We don't see any damage
to his hands at all.
452
00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:53,458
When there's an open wound,
453
00:29:53,541 --> 00:29:57,545
sharks can smell blood from a
fourth of a mile to a half of a mile away.
454
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:01,382
And this is an area
where there are lots of sharks.
455
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:04,844
Even around here, there are alligators.
456
00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:07,680
I mean, there's just
a lot of stuff in these waters.
457
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,560
So it makes me wonder,
458
00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:15,730
"Was he really in the water for ten days?"
459
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,820
[Miles] That makes me question
if he was somewhere else
460
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:25,698
for any amount of days
before going into the water.
461
00:30:25,782 --> 00:30:28,076
Maybe he was held somewhere on land?
462
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,453
Who knows.
463
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:37,961
[Lee] My personal theory is that
he encountered something on that river
464
00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:39,796
that he shouldn't have seen.
465
00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:42,173
Maybe because he went over
as a Good Samaritan
466
00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:43,925
and wanted to help somebody out.
467
00:30:46,469 --> 00:30:49,556
That makes the most sense
because he was that kind of a guy.
468
00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:56,604
[Miles] If my dad saw somebody
with a boat, mechanical issue,
469
00:30:56,688 --> 00:31:00,066
I'm pretty sure he would approach
and try to help them out.
470
00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:02,944
When the boat was found,
471
00:31:03,027 --> 00:31:05,405
the engine was in neutral,
and the gas was run out.
472
00:31:05,488 --> 00:31:09,284
It kind of points to there was a pause
while he was doing something.
473
00:31:11,286 --> 00:31:15,623
My dad would leave the engine running
if it were not a long-term stop.
474
00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:22,046
You put the engine in neutral
as you're pulling up to a dock
475
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,799
or if you just wanna stop moving
to look at something.
476
00:31:27,635 --> 00:31:28,887
[Lee] In my humble opinion,
477
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:31,431
Pat Mullins saw something out there
in that boat of his
478
00:31:31,514 --> 00:31:32,932
that he wasn't supposed to see...
479
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:36,728
[gun cocks]
480
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,105
...and they killed him for it.
481
00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:40,273
[shot firing]
482
00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:48,239
So you have to ask yourself,
"What's worth taking a man's life for?"
483
00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:51,326
Probably looking at somebody
484
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:53,661
who was running drugs
or some other type of contraband.
485
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:59,626
Bradenton and the Braden River,
it's a great place to go and recreate.
486
00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:04,464
But you have some people
using that river for bad purposes.
487
00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:07,967
There's been a lot of motorboat theft.
488
00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:11,387
There are people
harvesting fish illegally,
489
00:32:11,471 --> 00:32:14,641
and I've heard that there's drugs
that move up and down that river.
490
00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,478
Pat's boat was found way out in the bay,
491
00:32:18,561 --> 00:32:22,148
and Pat never went out in the bay
in that Stumpnocker to begin with.
492
00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:24,609
I think whoever murdered him
493
00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:27,779
may have taken the boat out there
just to dump it.
494
00:32:27,862 --> 00:32:29,822
So they probably dumped it
to get rid of it,
495
00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:34,369
or they just could've, you know,
towed it out there and cut the rope.
496
00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:36,454
[train whistle blowing]
497
00:32:43,836 --> 00:32:46,506
[Miles] So we're passing
the CSX railroad bridge right now.
498
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:49,968
For the Stumpnocker
to end up where it was found,
499
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,136
it had to go past this bridge.
500
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,266
And they do have
cameras mounted on the bridge
501
00:32:57,350 --> 00:33:00,645
that are recording any and all boats
that pass through.
502
00:33:00,728 --> 00:33:04,816
It would have been able to capture
the Stumpnocker and my dad going by
503
00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:07,860
if he did take the Stumpnocker
through here.
504
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:11,990
So you would know. Is he by himself?
Is he with a friend?
505
00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:13,074
Is he, you know...
506
00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:14,909
Is he towing a boat?
507
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:18,121
You know, is he helping somebody out?
508
00:33:18,204 --> 00:33:19,706
Is somebody towing him?
509
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:25,420
[Miles] We were hoping to see...
510
00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:27,797
just anything,
with the Stumpnocker going through there,
511
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,424
would have been valuable information.
512
00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,097
{\an8}[Rabun] We obtained a video
513
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,224
shortly after this incident happened.
514
00:33:38,307 --> 00:33:41,144
Unfortunately, the CSX personnel
515
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:43,813
downloaded a corrupt video file.
516
00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:47,734
We went back a second time.
The second time it was corrupted.
517
00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:50,695
[Miles] It was disappointing.
518
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:55,366
I was definitely frustrated that
that was an immediate dead end,
519
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,202
because that footage
was so important to us.
520
00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:05,209
[Gray] It is frustrating.
521
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:10,006
We have no facts,
no answers, just theories.
522
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,383
But I believe he was killed.
523
00:34:13,092 --> 00:34:14,218
Someone killed him.
524
00:34:16,429 --> 00:34:19,766
"Who?" is the million-dollar question,
I suppose.
525
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,062
[Rabun] At the start of an investigation,
526
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,272
we try to talk
to as many people as we can.
527
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:32,070
And Damon Crestwood,
who's a good friend of Patrick's brother,
528
00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:35,281
and knew Patrick,
was interviewed multiple times.
529
00:34:36,657 --> 00:34:38,493
Damon is a family friend.
530
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,995
I knew him from family get-togethers.
531
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:45,291
Memorial Day, we would meet up
with the family and some extended friends.
532
00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:48,628
Do a lot of water sports
and just have a good time hanging out.
533
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:50,463
[Pat on video] Okay.
534
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:55,134
[Miles] My father was not
close with Damon.
535
00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,137
He was connected to my family
through my uncle.
536
00:34:59,472 --> 00:35:03,101
I met Damon in '89 or '90,
537
00:35:03,184 --> 00:35:04,811
and we became fast friends.
538
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:09,524
He owned his own restaurant for a while
and was a talented chef.
539
00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:11,317
{\an8}Damon was a sweetheart.
540
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,903
{\an8}You know, I met him,
I was probably about 12 years old.
541
00:35:13,986 --> 00:35:15,822
{\an8}He was a couple of years older than me.
542
00:35:15,905 --> 00:35:21,828
And he was just a likable,
dependable, admirable guy.
543
00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:26,249
But after Pat's disappearance,
544
00:35:26,332 --> 00:35:30,336
Damon's behavior
quickly became markedly different.
545
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:37,802
Damon was very upset
when Pat was missing and presumed dead.
546
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:40,179
Almost disproportionately so.
547
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:45,351
[Gray] He would break into tears
and then uncontrollable sobbing.
548
00:35:45,434 --> 00:35:48,354
He would come to the house
sometimes, you know, early on.
549
00:35:48,437 --> 00:35:50,648
I don't think I'd seen
that side of him before.
550
00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:54,485
[Jill] After Pat had died,
551
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,612
Damon told me how,
552
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:01,576
so many times, he would go
and look out along the Manatee River,
553
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:05,413
and cry and sob for hours.
554
00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:10,501
You know, he knew my dad.
555
00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:15,006
They had known each other,
but not like a long-time close friend
556
00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:17,592
that you would
expect that type of reaction.
557
00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:24,098
[Stephen] Damon
was just kind of off the rails.
558
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:28,394
Constantly asking, "If something happened,
would you still be my friend?"
559
00:36:28,477 --> 00:36:30,563
"Could I count on you being there?"
560
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:35,026
{\an8}None of us really knew exactly why.
561
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:39,530
[Mark] Pat was killed in January.
562
00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:42,700
My wife and I,
and everyone else for that matter,
563
00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:46,787
we all noticed that
he had a mental breakdown every January,
564
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,290
like clockwork, after Pat's death.
565
00:36:50,499 --> 00:36:53,169
[unsettling music playing]
566
00:36:56,088 --> 00:36:58,424
[Mark] It gives you an unsettled feeling
567
00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:03,387
that he knew more than he had ever told.
568
00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:10,728
[Gray] Eventually, Damon intimated
that he'd been using crystal meth.
569
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,691
Mark's a psychiatrist and he's like,
"We gotta keep an eye on him."
570
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:18,069
My job is to pay attention to behavior.
571
00:37:18,152 --> 00:37:22,073
He got more and more paranoid. Impulsive.
572
00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:27,912
And there were episodes of extreme
erratic behavior that concerned us all.
573
00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:32,458
[Miles] The Memorial Day
after my dad had passed,
574
00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,003
the family and some extended friends
got together.
575
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:37,797
And Damon did come out,
576
00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:42,176
and I saw Damon tie a rope to his dog,
577
00:37:42,718 --> 00:37:45,930
and then tie that rope around himself.
578
00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:56,857
[Mark] It was in the exact manner
that it was on Pat's body.
579
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:01,070
That was, uh...
580
00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:03,030
extremely troubling.
581
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:05,866
The nautical rope
was a thing that was disturbing.
582
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:07,243
Tied around your waist.
583
00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,579
We're just... beside ourselves, actually.
584
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:15,626
At the time,
we actually confronted him about it.
585
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:18,796
Like, "Hey, you know, what's going on?
You're acting weird."
586
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,716
He didn't give any explanation.
587
00:38:26,012 --> 00:38:28,639
[Miles] There's another thing
that started to tie him
588
00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,726
a little more intimately with the case.
589
00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:36,731
After the boat was found,
I had seen on the side of the Stumpnocker
590
00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:39,734
red paint markings
on the side of the boat.
591
00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:46,032
[Jill] And then we realized
Damon's boat has a red stripe on it.
592
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:53,831
Damon lived where he would put his boat
in the Manatee River,
593
00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:56,542
kind of close to the opening
into Tampa Bay.
594
00:38:58,627 --> 00:39:02,131
That area is where Pat's body was found.
595
00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:05,634
[Miles] With his erratic behavior,
596
00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:11,223
the red paint did start to tie Damon
potentially into the picture.
597
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:15,102
That was just something that was like,
"Maybe we ought to look into this."
598
00:39:17,688 --> 00:39:20,941
[Mark] The police really wanted to
sample Damon's boat,
599
00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:22,485
that they knew was red.
600
00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:27,281
And they were declined by Damon.
601
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:30,409
He denied to us of being involved
602
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:32,828
or knowing anything
about what happened to Pat.
603
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:37,166
It got to the point,
eventually he stopped talking to us,
604
00:39:37,249 --> 00:39:39,877
but we didn't have information
to go further
605
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,589
on if he was involved or not,
because we just didn't have any witnesses.
606
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:46,550
And that's just where it stopped,
and there was no further
607
00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:49,512
efforts put towards talking to Damon
608
00:39:49,595 --> 00:39:53,140
or being able
to get a paint chip from his boat.
609
00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:59,188
[Mark] Damon died April 5th, 2017.
610
00:39:59,271 --> 00:40:03,401
That was about four and a half years
after Pat's death.
611
00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:09,490
He had overdosed,
and it looked like it was meth.
612
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,283
He was 48 years old.
613
00:40:11,992 --> 00:40:14,245
And it was another trauma
614
00:40:15,287 --> 00:40:20,876
because we were hoping that
Damon would tell us he knew something.
615
00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:27,508
[Miles] After Damon passed away,
his daughter did give permission
616
00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:30,302
{\an8}for a paint chip to be taken from his boat
617
00:40:30,386 --> 00:40:32,888
{\an8}to be tested to see if it's a match
618
00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:34,974
{\an8}to the paint
on the side of the Stumpnocker.
619
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:38,310
We thought, "This is the ticket.
We're getting somewhere."
620
00:40:39,937 --> 00:40:42,898
The feedback we got
from the police department was that,
621
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:45,359
"Yes, it's a match.
No, it's not important."
622
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,237
[Rabun] In reading
the report that came back,
623
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,532
"The boat cannot be eliminated
as a possible source of red paint smears
624
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:52,950
on the victim's boat,"
625
00:40:53,033 --> 00:40:54,869
is the way they actually worded it.
626
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:57,371
The red paint is a common variety.
627
00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,666
We can't say what brand
it came from or anything.
628
00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:02,751
I labbed it
and produced that result for us.
629
00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:05,880
{\an8}[Jill] They discounted the testing
630
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:09,091
{\an8}saying that there was a lot of paint
that was being made that year,
631
00:41:09,175 --> 00:41:12,261
so it was really as good as nothing.
632
00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:15,473
I didn't feel it was as good as nothing.
633
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,727
[Miles] I think it means something.
It's highly unlikely that something else
634
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:23,481
would have rubbed that boat
that would match the paint on Damon's.
635
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,943
[Jill] Given Damon's strange behavior,
636
00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:32,406
given his obsession with Pat's death,
637
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:38,954
I feel that Damon is aware
of what happened to Pat.
638
00:41:42,583 --> 00:41:43,918
[Miles] There are some theories
639
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:46,420
about the ways that my dad
would have interacted with Damon
640
00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:49,173
that could have ended up
with my dad being murdered.
641
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:54,595
[Gray] Maybe he's driving along
and sees Damon's boat floating
642
00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:56,096
with the engine up, and...
643
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,724
You know,
he would have gone straight to it to...
644
00:41:58,807 --> 00:41:59,850
to aid.
645
00:42:00,851 --> 00:42:03,395
I don't even know if Damon
had the boat out.
646
00:42:03,479 --> 00:42:05,814
You know,
maybe somebody else had his boat out.
647
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:12,488
I don't have a scenario
that puts all this together.
648
00:42:13,405 --> 00:42:15,533
I guess anything's possible.
649
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,834
[Rabun] Based on our investigation,
650
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,046
we have more questions than answers
for what happened that day.
651
00:42:29,129 --> 00:42:31,298
And we wish we could help the family
652
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:34,218
by finding those answers
to help them with their closure.
653
00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:37,972
We don't know. That's why we...
It's a death investigation.
654
00:42:39,181 --> 00:42:40,683
We don't know what happened.
655
00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:45,062
Most of the time, homicides come to us
with background information
656
00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:49,567
that suggests there was a reason,
or a motive, or something.
657
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,236
Certainly there was no evidence
of a robbery that occurred.
658
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:54,947
Going to the other side,
659
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:58,742
the most important factor
in keeping suicide as a consideration
660
00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:01,453
was the unusual rope application
on the body.
661
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:06,625
That it just was apparently tailored
to a potential for self-wrapping.
662
00:43:06,709 --> 00:43:10,796
That, in our minds, kept suicide
as a possible consideration as well.
663
00:43:10,879 --> 00:43:13,257
So without being able to really say
664
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,468
that homicide was definitely
much more likely
665
00:43:16,552 --> 00:43:18,679
or suicide was definitely
much more likely,
666
00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:21,557
we had to consider
that both were still reasonably likely.
667
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,142
That only left us one alternative,
668
00:43:23,225 --> 00:43:25,227
is to call the manner of death
"undetermined."
669
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:29,106
[seagulls crying]
670
00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:36,572
[Jill] I think it was
on the first-year anniversary
671
00:43:36,655 --> 00:43:39,992
that I started doing the flyers
672
00:43:40,868 --> 00:43:43,829
because we weren't getting any closer
to an answer.
673
00:43:45,748 --> 00:43:47,666
I have gotten a few phone calls.
674
00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:55,424
I don't think we've gotten anything
675
00:43:55,507 --> 00:43:57,217
{\an8}that has turned out valuable,
676
00:43:57,301 --> 00:44:00,804
{\an8}but a couple of calls have gone
into the sheriff's office as well.
677
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:07,686
As one of his brothers tells me,
Pat would hate this.
678
00:44:08,228 --> 00:44:12,191
He would hate what I'm doing
because he was low-key.
679
00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:14,985
He didn't need or like attention.
680
00:44:16,862 --> 00:44:18,489
But Pat didn't need to die.
681
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:23,994
Whoever did this
is a danger to any and everybody.
682
00:44:25,871 --> 00:44:30,918
Nine years later, I feel like someone
out there is gonna have some answers.
683
00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:34,755
[Miles] You gotta have hope.
684
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:39,468
You know, we see these cold cases
get turned around decades later.
685
00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:41,470
Something like that
could happen in our lifetime.
686
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,642
[Jill] My children need to know
what happened to their dad.
687
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:51,188
It's not a pretty story,
and it doesn't have a conclusion.
688
00:44:52,648 --> 00:44:57,152
We don't have answers,
but I am still trying.
689
00:45:01,031 --> 00:45:03,033
[mysterious music playing]