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[ominous music playing]
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[reporter 1] One year ago tonight,
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Joshua Guimond vanished from
an apartment near St. John's University...
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[reporter 2] It's been five years
since a St. John's student was last seen...
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[reporter 3] This week marks 15 years
since Josh Guimond went missing...
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[reporter 4] The St. John's junior
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disappeared while
walking home from a party.
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[reporter 5] He hasn't been seen since.
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[Dana Michalicek] I think Josh had secrets
just like everybody else has secrets.
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But I don't care what Josh was doing.
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We just want our friend.
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[mysterious music playing]
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{\an8}[rock music playing]
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[Katie Benson] That night,
Josh was at a party
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{\an8}playing poker with some friends
at a dorm on campus.
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[Andrew Struffert] Josh arrived at the
party around 11:30 at night that evening.
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And sometime before midnight,
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{\an8}people start realizing
that Josh isn't there.
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A couple of people at the party
had noticed a male get up and leave,
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but they weren't
quite sure if it was Josh.
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{\an8}Josh just wasn't at the party anymore.
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{\an8}And there's no answers.
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He's just gone.
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{\an8}[somber music playing]
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-[Dana] Graduation.
-[Lisa Cheney] Oh, yeah.
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[Dana] He was so proud of his speech.
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I remember him being just, like,
working on that speech so hard.
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[Lisa] I remember that. Yeah.
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That's when him and Katie
were helping with the Special Olympics.
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-Oh, yeah! I forgot about that.
-Yeah. Yeah.
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Here's Katie and Josh from prom.
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-[Lisa] That's a nice picture.
-I really love that one.
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[announcer] Our first couple
of the evening
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is Senior Class Treasurer, Katie Benson,
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escorted by our Senior Class President,
Josh Guimond.
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[crowd cheering and clapping]
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[Katie] Josh and I grew up together.
We went to school together.
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In our sophomore year of high school,
we started dating.
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So Josh was my high school sweetheart.
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He was very handsome,
blond with blue eyes.
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He was athletic.
He had a great sense of humor.
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And I think a lot of people
didn't see that side of him
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because he always came across
as very confident and studious.
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Oh, my gosh.
Look at how serious he is right there.
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You guys both look so grumpy.
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-Everyone else in the picture is smiling.
-Everybody else is smiling!
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[Dana] Josh and I, we met
when we were in about second grade
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and then became really close
at the end of high school.
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After that, we still stayed close.
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Josh was nominated
as "most likely to succeed"
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in our high school class,
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and I really believed
that he would have succeeded.
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[Lisa] Josh liked to have a lot of fun.
He was outgoing.
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{\an8}He was always happy
and smarter than he should have been.
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{\an8}[Josh] Thirteen years ago, we were branded
as special from the very beginning.
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{\an8}We were the Class of 2000...
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{\an8}[Brian Guimond]
Josh was interested in being a lawyer.
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{\an8}And even as a kid, you can tell
by the way he would talk to you
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{\an8}when you'd talk to him about things.
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He would always be questioning. [laughs]
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{\an8}[Josh] Society may change,
but good, solid teaching never will.
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As soon as Josh was gonna turn 35,
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he was running
for the next presidential election.
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[man] Hey, Josh!
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[Katie] He planned on going to law school
once we finished college,
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and then from there,
he was going to be a lawyer.
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And then he would be a politician.
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And eventually he would be the president.
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When we went to college,
we decided to go to similar schools.
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I went to the College of Saint Benedict,
which is all-female,
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and he went to St. John's University.
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St. John's is an all-male school.
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They are two separate campuses
but a joint college,
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so we were able to have classes together
and continue our relationship in college.
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[Nick Hydukovich] My sophomore year,
I joined the mock trial team with Josh,
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who was a year behind me at St. John's.
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Josh struck me pretty quickly
as someone who I knew I could trust,
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a very intelligent person,
and a very easy person to get along with.
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{\an8}As we got to know each other better,
we realized we had a lot in common.
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My senior year, his junior year,
we were roommates,
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and I was one of his best friends
at the time he disappeared.
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[Brian] The last time I saw Josh
was the week before
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down at Macalester College,
watching the mock trial.
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He won a number of awards,
and I told him, "Yeah, you did real good,"
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told him I loved him, and said,
"We'll see you next time." You know?
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And that was it.
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{\an8}[Nick] On Saturday, November 9th, 2002,
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{\an8}Josh and I went to brunch together.
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And at some point,
we got an invitation from Katie to say,
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"Do you guys wanna come over
and hang out with me and my roommates?"
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And so I thought, "I'll go over to Katie's
and hang out with them tonight."
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But Josh also got an invitation
from some other friends
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who were playing poker that night
at another guy's apartment.
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So the last time I saw him
would have been after dinner,
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probably 6:30, 7:00.
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He was with his friend Alex
in our apartment.
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I said, "Hey, I'm gonna head over,"
and Josh said, "Yeah, okay. Have fun."
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And I said,
"You guys have a good night too."
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"We'll see you later." And that was it.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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I think it was sometime a little after
2:00 a.m. when I left Katie's apartment.
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I went home. I went upstairs.
I noticed Josh wasn't in his room.
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But I just said,
"Oh, he must still be at the party."
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The next morning,
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I saw he still wasn't there.
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And I thought that was weird.
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I checked my AOL Instant Messenger.
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His account had been idle
for probably over 12 hours.
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All I could think of is, like,
"Where is he?"
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I talked to Greg and Alex,
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because he was with both of them
the previous night,
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but they didn't know where he was.
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I think it was probably
2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon,
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and Nick called me
and asked if I knew where Josh was
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because he had said
Josh missed the mock trial meeting.
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I remember thinking
that was very out of character.
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I knew something was wrong.
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I knew something had happened to him,
or something was preventing him
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from coming back because I knew
he wouldn't have just left on his own.
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So I was... I was really worried.
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[Lisa] I got a call
from the Dean of Students
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Sunday night at 10:30 on November 10th,
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and he said,
"You need to report your son missing."
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"His friends haven't seen him
since last night."
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I was extremely scared and freaked out.
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Immediately, I knew it was
a very serious situation.
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You're not thinking much
at that point in time.
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Your only kid's missing.
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You don't know what to do.
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[Vic Weiss] The call from Joshua's mother
reporting Joshua's disappearance came in
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{\an8}November 10th at 11:42 in the evening.
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The Sheriff's Office
did do a search of his apartment.
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I would classify it more
as just a walkthrough than anything.
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It wasn't locked down at the time.
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{\an8}They were looking for signs of a struggle,
signs of any type of criminal activity.
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Might even be looking for suicide notes
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or anything that would kinda
lead a clue to his whereabouts.
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But it looked like
a normal college kid's room.
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The TV had still been on.
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There was nothing that seemed
out of the ordinary
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or anything of a criminal nature.
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[Vic] They looked at some of his
personal effects, like his wallet.
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Some of those things
might give you an indication if he left
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and planned to be gone for a little while
if he packed a bag.
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[Nick] I remember his keys were there,
and we looked and checked.
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And his car was still in the parking lot
where I remember him last parking.
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So we knew he hadn't driven anywhere.
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[Steve] And I saw Josh's eyeglasses
and contact cases still present.
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And that, to me, would be something
that you'd for sure take
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if you were gonna maybe try to go
start a new life or something somewhere.
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[Vic] You gotta wear your contact lenses
to get around,
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so with the contact lens case
being open with no contact lenses in it,
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we just figured he didn't come home
and that he was still somewhere on campus.
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There was no reason to believe
that anything else had happened.
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It was not uncommon for kids
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to just spend the night
somewhere other than their dormitory.
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So we talked to Joshua's friends
and roommates
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to help track his movements and activities
the night before his disappearance.
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{\an8}[Andrew] Josh and his friends were
in Josh's apartment at St. Maur House.
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They left the apartment
to go to the party at 75 Metten Court,
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{\an8}which was about a five-minute walk away.
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{\an8}[Vic] We do know that Joshua's key card
was used to access his apartment at 11:06,
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{\an8}which we believe was him
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going back in to the apartment
to retrieve a few more beers.
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And that was the last time
Josh key-carded back into his apartment.
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{\an8}St. John's University
is a really small campus.
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{\an8}I mean, student body of 2,000.
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{\an8}There's not a lot of distance
between any of the buildings.
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Joshua's dormitory, St. Maur House,
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is more in the central,
middle part of the campus.
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The Metten Court Apartments
where the party was
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is more on the northern border
of the campus.
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There's a lake that stretches
through the campus that would keep you
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from going directly from the Metten Court
apartments to St. Maur house.
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The poker party that Joshua went to was
a pretty small gathering, ten to 12 kids.
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Some of them knew who Josh was
but didn't know him terribly well,
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and there was some people
who didn't know him at all
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and just met him that evening.
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{\an8}They said he showed up at the party
between 11:30 and 12:00,
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{\an8}and that Josh had a few drinks,
and was playing cards.
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[Katie] I talked to
a lot of Josh's friends
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who were at the poker party with him,
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and the way they describe him...
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He was in a good mood.
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He was having a great time.
He was joking around.
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He was acting like his normal self
at the party.
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[Andrew] Some thought
that he had been intoxicated.
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Some thought he was still sober enough
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to be able to walk, and talk,
and keep control of himself.
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[Vic] Eventually, they saw Joshua
get up from the table,
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and nobody really paid attention
to where he was going.
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According to people at the poker party,
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he just got up and left the party
without saying anything to anybody.
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[Andrew] One person stated that they
believed he was going to the bathroom.
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In this case, both the apartment
front entry door and the bathroom
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are kind of in the same direction.
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So if someone wasn't paying attention,
they wouldn't know which way he was going.
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I can't remember any time
that he had done that previously,
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where he would have just left
without saying goodbye.
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The Josh I knew would tell the people
that he came with that he was leaving.
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[Andrew] That first night
of the investigation,
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a tracking dog was called in
to track Josh's scent.
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It led to that pathway
that is between Metten Court Apartments
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and St. Maur house.
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And the trail kinda stopped there.
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[David Unze]
At the time of Josh's disappearance,
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{\an8}I was a crime and courts reporter
for the St. Cloud Times newspaper
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{\an8}in St. Cloud, Minnesota.
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Within hours of Josh disappearing,
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I was made aware
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that they had a missing persons case
at St. John's University.
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They brought in bloodhounds
pretty quickly after Josh disappeared,
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and I believe one of the bloodhounds hit
on an area on a bridge
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that would have been on the path
from the card game to where Josh lived.
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And they found two witnesses.
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Through our investigation, we identified
two witnesses that were students.
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One was a St. John student.
One was a St. Ben's student.
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So, basically, a guy and a girl.
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{\an8}[Vic] Between 12:15 and 12:30,
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{\an8}they were walking down the road
towards the Metten Court Apartments.
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When they got down in that area,
near the footbridge by Stumpf Lake,
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they noticed a man wearing
a hooded sweatshirt with blue jeans,
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and the overall physical description
matched that of Joshua's.
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They continued to walk,
and when they looked back a second time,
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that person wasn't there any longer.
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[Andrew] That was about the same time
that Josh left the party.
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So it is believed that that was Josh.
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[Vic] The witnesses didn't report
seeing anything or anyone else.
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No other people, no other cars,
no indication of what might have happened.
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[Steve] He just... he up and vanished.
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There's nothing to lead us
in one direction or another.
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He's here one minute and gone the next.
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[Lisa] Josh is missing.
His friends didn't know where he was.
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Nobody had seen him.
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So I was extremely worried
because it was out of character,
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and it was not Josh.
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{\an8}[grave music playing]
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{\an8}[Nick] There were numerous agencies
involved in the search efforts.
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The Stearns County Sheriff's Office
was the lead investigative agency.
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The National Guard
was eventually called in
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to help with searches
because the college campus part itself,
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where students would go,
was relatively small,
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but the area owned by St. John's
was massive.
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[Vic] St. John's University is a private
college campus on several hundred acres.
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It's in a rural area in Stearns County.
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It's just a lot of ground to cover,
from swamps to lakes
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to wooded, hilly, thick terrain.
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{\an8}[Lisa] Tuesday,
they brought in the horses,
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{\an8}and they searched the campus
and the ravines.
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And then, on the third day, Wednesday,
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they let us search with them,
and they broke us up into groups.
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{\an8}-Shouldn't we go back up here then?
-What?
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{\an8}We're going to...
We're going to the footbridge.
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I went out physically searching,
walking around the campus.
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There was hundreds of people there.
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{\an8}[Vic] It was probably the biggest
search effort that I've ever seen.
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Probably would be
the biggest search effort in the county.
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[Nick] I was scared to death
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because we're looking for our friend
in this brush for whatever we could find,
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and we didn't see anything.
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[Katie crying] I wanted
to know what happened to him.
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I wanted him to be found. I just...
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I didn't wanna be the one who found him.
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{\an8}Joshua Guimond is still missing tonight...
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{\an8}The FBI was brought in
rather early in the case.
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Authorities in Minnesota and Wisconsin
have a disturbing mystery on their hands.
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{\an8}[Vic] At the time that Josh disappeared,
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{\an8}there was several college-aged students
that were missing.
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All were about the same age,
vanished at night.
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Could the unsolved disappearances
be linked?
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{\an8}[Vic] There was a theory
that a serial-type killer
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{\an8}was traveling up and down
the Mississippi River here
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and abducting these people
and killing them.
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[reporter on TV] Chris Jenkins
disappeared after a Halloween party
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at this bar in Minneapolis.
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Six days later, Michael Noll,
a 22-year-old college student,
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vanished after celebrating his birthday
at a party in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
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You know, these are all young men.
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People like Josh who are successful,
driven, ambitious...
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[reporter] ...all within
a hundred-mile radius of Minneapolis.
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But two other key elements
tie the cases together.
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{\an8}Alcohol and water.
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The Michael Noll and Chris Jenkins cases
happening at so close to the same time
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added confusion to Josh's case
that maybe wouldn't have been there
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if there hadn't been
so many other things happening.
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Connecting things that aren't connected
can really screw up the investigation.
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[reporter 1 on TV] Both local
law enforcement and the FBI say
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while they haven't
ruled out a connection,
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there's no evidence
the disappearances are related.
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[Anderson Cooper]
Are their stories connected?
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{\an8}At this point, all they know,
and all we know for sure,
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{\an8}is that their children
are nowhere to be found.
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[Vic] During the initial
searches for Josh, K9 was brought in,
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and the dog led us down to the water
by the bridge.
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So the thought was,
"Did he fall in the water?"
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"Did he go down to the water?"
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"Was he intoxicated and stumbled?"
You know, "He may be in the water."
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{\an8}[Steve] The searches included
dragging for a body, divers in the water,
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boats where we're using sonar technology...
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[Nick] Seeing that lake being dragged
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was like the most surreal,
probably awful memory I have.
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I'm out here looking for my best friend
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that the police think
is at the bottom of this lake.
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I couldn't believe the craziness of it
and the gravity of it,
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and it just takes a toll.
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[Vic] But as winter set in,
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there was thought
because the water was so cold,
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in some instances freezing over early on,
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that if Josh was in the water,
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his body may never surface
until the water temperatures rose.
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So we did suspend
the search activities in the waters,
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and we were just waiting till the spring.
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[expectant music playing]
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[Katie] You know,
as fall turned into winter,
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it was really frustrating
because it felt like
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there were no more search activities
on campus.
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It felt like everything sort of stopped,
and there was really nowhere else to look.
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Kinda felt helpless.
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[Nick] I was asked by people at St. John's
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how I would feel about having
somebody else move into Josh's room.
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But I said, "No."
I didn't want that to happen.
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I thought that
that was a really awful idea.
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It was hard, even seeing
that closed door every day
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because it was sort of symbolic of
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"That's Josh's room,
but now it's just this closed door."
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[Katie] I'm not sure how I finished
that semester when Josh disappeared.
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[crying] It was unimaginable.
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He and I had a class together
that semester, and I...
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I never went back.
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{\an8}[reporter] Guimond was last seen
about midnight as he left a party.
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{\an8}There was search after search.
No sign of him.
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{\an8}His family pleaded for police to do more.
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{\an8}Josh is out there somewhere.
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{\an8}There's been no body found,
so we got no reason to believe he's dead.
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{\an8}[Vic] I don't think Brian was satisfied
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{\an8}with the direction
we were taking the investigation,
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the speed in which
we were doing the investigation,
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our attention to the investigation,
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and he wanted answers
to what happened to his son.
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{\an8}Around that time, the family brought in
a bloodhound to help with the search.
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[handler] Is that the third,
second or third time she's been there?
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[Andrew] It's not uncommon for those
bloodhounds to be able to
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pick up the scent
long after an individual has gone missing.
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Weeks and months afterwards.
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This dog traced Joshua's scent
from Metten Court to Stumpf Lake,
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then to Josh's apartment
at St. Maur House,
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then to St. John's Abbey.
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[Nick] St. John's University
is a fairly unique institution.
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It's a religious college.
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There's a monastery on campus,
and some of the monks are professors.
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At the time Josh disappeared,
there was a lot of news stories coming out
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about things happening at the monastery
or the abbey at St. John's.
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{\an8}More allegations of clergy sex abuse
at St. John's Abbey in Collegeville.
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{\an8}Today, in Stearns County Court,
two civil lawsuits were filed
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{\an8}alleging abuse of students
dating back some 40 years.
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Today, another victim stepped forward,
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claiming a monk molested him
inside the school.
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This is the fourth lawsuit filed
against a monk at St. John's Abbey.
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[Nick] Before he disappeared,
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Josh and I talked about
the sexual abuse scandal at the abbey,
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and Josh was just irate about it.
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He was very upset that
that kind of thing was happening
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and that it had been covered up.
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Brian had told us that
he believed Joshua was doing research
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into the sexual misconduct,
specifically for a research paper.
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Now, we looked at his computer.
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We saw other research papers,
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but I didn't see anything
pertaining to that.
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[Steve] So when the search
led to the abbey with the bloodhound...
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[handler] She's casting right over here.
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[Steve] ...when the dog
started to get into more intrusive areas
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where the general public's
not typically allowed,
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St. John's ended up contacting us
to kinda deal with it.
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[handler] See where she wants to go?
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[Vic] Brian Guimond asked
that the search continue inside the abbey,
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and they were denied access.
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Later, our office was called,
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and we were able to obtain consent
to search through the abbey with the dog.
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[handler] Now she wants to go
back over there, back up to the abbey.
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[Andrew] The dog found Josh's scent
inside the abbey
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near the rear of the building,
but no evidence of Josh was ever found.
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[Vic] Bloodhounds can be trained
to do any number of things,
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tracking and trailing old scents,
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finding human remains
if they're trained for that,
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{\an8}but they aren't always accurate.
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{\an8}And our office was skeptical
of that particular dog team at the time.
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{\an8}There are about a dozen pedophile priests
living on campus at a monastery
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{\an8}not far from where I'm standing.
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{\an8}So far, nothing in this investigation
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{\an8}has connected them
with Guimond's disappearance.
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[Lisa] I believe that if somebody
did something to Joshua
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that had any connection
to that campus whatsoever,
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we're never gonna find him ever.
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Not even a body. Ever.
Because they're too secretive.
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{\an8}[crowd singing choral music]
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{\an8}[reporter on TV] In the glow
of the evening light...
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{\an8}[singing continues]
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{\an8}[Lisa] ...I guess wondering
if I'm ever gonna see him again or...
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{\an8}or know what happened.
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{\an8}[reporter] The sound of a family still
hoping, still praying for something lost.
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{\an8}Others have been found,
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{\an8}the ones who disappeared
around the same time.
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{\an8}Chris Jenkins, a U of M student,
his body found in February of 2003.
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{\an8}Michael Noll, a student from Wisconsin,
his body found a month later.
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[Nick] Chris Jenkins and Michael Noll,
both were found in the bodies of water
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that they were near when they disappeared.
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[Steve] The other two
college students' deaths
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were determined to be not linked
to Josh's disappearance.
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[pensive music playing]
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[David] As those
other students were located,
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it became even more ominous
that Josh was still missing.
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{\an8}[Katie] Because both Chris Jenkins
and Michael Noll
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{\an8}were found in bodies of water,
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it seemed like we would find Josh.
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[David] When the spring came around,
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the theory was
if Josh is in one of the lakes,
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{\an8}the water will warm,
the gases in the body will do their work,
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{\an8}and he'll float.
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And I remember interviewing Katie,
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who said she didn't like
to see the ice forming on the lakes
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because if he's there,
that's gonna trap him.
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She didn't like to see the ice melting
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because that might warm the water enough
to have him float,
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and she didn't want that either.
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It was just a very stressful
and tense time, just wondering like,
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"Is today gonna be the day?"
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{\an8}[David] In the spring,
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{\an8}the Sheriff's Office
started searching the waters right away,
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{\an8}and areas around waters,
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eventually diving multiple times
in multiple bodies of water.
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And I remember
Brian was searching the lakes.
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And he's out there in a kayak.
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And I just couldn't
get over the thought that
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what if his body floated up
right next to that kayak?
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I mean, what would you do as a father?
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[Brian] If their theory was right,
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he should have been
right there in the water.
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We should've walked right there,
and there he is. "Okay, end of story."
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But that wasn't the case.
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[Vic] When the Sheriff's Office got done
with their search efforts,
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{\an8}they concluded that
Joshua was not in the water.
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When Joshua's body didn't surface...
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there were so many theories
about what could've happened to him.
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I think the most prevailing theory
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was probably that somebody
that knew Josh or was close to Josh
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did something to Josh.
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Could be a friend. Could be a roommate.
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[Andrew] During our investigation,
one of Josh's roommates told us
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{\an8}that he'd heard an argument
between Nick and Josh earlier that night
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before Josh went missing.
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And the argument involved Katie.
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Josh and I dated for about
four and a half years,
456
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,298
but by our junior year of college,
457
00:27:55,382 --> 00:28:00,220
we decided to end our relationship,
and Josh and I broke up.
458
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:04,140
When Josh disappeared, we had only been
broken up for a couple of months.
459
00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:08,687
[Dana] Right after Josh disappeared,
there was a lot of speculation about
460
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,606
whether or not
Nick and Katie were together,
461
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,608
if they were ever romantically involved,
462
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:18,279
if that was possibly a motive
for some harm gone to Josh,
463
00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:21,908
or was Josh upset
about them getting together
464
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,785
after Josh and Katie broke up?
465
00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:29,666
I think Nick and I did have
a level of attraction toward each other.
466
00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:32,210
He and I did consider dating.
467
00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:33,503
You know, we were close.
468
00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:34,754
We discussed, you know,
469
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:38,174
"Do we wanna try to have some sort
of relationship other than just friends?"
470
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:41,136
But I wouldn't call it
a romantic relationship with Katie.
471
00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:44,806
I think we kissed one, maybe two times,
and then we decided, "You know what?"
472
00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:47,142
"This isn't a route
we wanna go right now."
473
00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:53,773
[Vic] Katie and Nick both mentioned
in their statements to us
474
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:57,652
that they talked about
Nick's desire to date Katie.
475
00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,698
[Vic] Nick also drew our attention
in the investigation
476
00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:04,909
because his timeline
of his whereabouts that evening
477
00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,121
differed from Katie's
original statement to us.
478
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:13,168
Nick told us he left Katie's apartment
at about 2:30.
479
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:21,551
And keycard records on campus showed
he keyed into his dorm room at 2:42 hours
480
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,804
on the morning of the 10th of November.
481
00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:29,684
In a statement with Katie,
she told us he left at 1:00 or 1:30.
482
00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:33,104
So you've got over an hour
of unaccounted time there
483
00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,441
when the drive between both campuses
is roughly seven to ten minutes,
484
00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:38,151
especially at that time of night.
485
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:43,281
What he's telling us at that point
did not match up with what Katie said.
486
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,911
[Vic] Nick was asked to take a polygraph
by our office.
487
00:29:47,994 --> 00:29:50,872
Initially, he told us
that he would consider,
488
00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:54,459
and when that polygraph examination
was scheduled, he chose not to take it.
489
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:58,838
I told them, "No, because
that's not gonna do anybody any good."
490
00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:01,007
"I don't want
there to be some false positive
491
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:02,759
because they're simply not reliable."
492
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:06,221
There was a reason
they're inadmissible in court.
493
00:30:07,764 --> 00:30:11,351
I don't think it's necessarily abnormal
or very strange
494
00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:14,187
that someone in that capacity
wouldn't take it.
495
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,690
The fact that he then declined it
and canceled after the fact is...
496
00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,860
is a detail that we must consider.
497
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:26,366
I don't believe I was directly told that
I was a suspect or person of interest.
498
00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:29,285
I had nothing to do
with Josh's disappearance,
499
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:32,163
and all I could think was,
"They're not going in the right direction
500
00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:35,792
because this is the one direction I can
say with certainty is the wrong one."
501
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:40,296
[Katie] I never gave
that theory much credence.
502
00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:43,967
And I was thinking
if they keep looking at Nick,
503
00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:48,388
if they keep viewing him as a suspect,
and as their primary suspect,
504
00:30:48,471 --> 00:30:51,933
and if they're not looking anywhere else,
we're never gonna find Josh.
505
00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:54,894
[somber music playing]
506
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,898
My initial thought is that
it was some kind of an accident.
507
00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:03,403
And somebody who was involved
maybe tried to cover it up
508
00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,905
to avoid any kind of
potential consequences.
509
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,201
[rock music playing]
510
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,790
[David] Early on, I felt like
there were some people at the party
511
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,043
who had seen him
right before he disappeared,
512
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,837
that I just got this sense that,
513
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,257
"Are they telling me the whole truth,
the full truth?" You know?
514
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:28,094
Or is there something
that's not flattering,
515
00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:31,681
that's maybe embarrassing that happened
that they just don't want anyone to know,
516
00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:34,767
that they just...
are never gonna tell anybody?
517
00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,229
That always stuck in the back of my head.
518
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,441
[Vic] They're kids
with goals and aspirations.
519
00:31:41,524 --> 00:31:43,568
They've got their whole life
in front of them.
520
00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:46,404
If they know something
or something happened,
521
00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:49,240
they have a future to protect.
522
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:53,411
So it could be a motivation
to hide or conceal something.
523
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:56,623
But if something happened at the party,
524
00:31:56,706 --> 00:32:01,294
I don't think it's possible
to keep ten or 12 kids silent on it.
525
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:09,218
[Lisa] I believe the kids at the party
know more than they say.
526
00:32:10,094 --> 00:32:12,680
For them to say, "Josh just got up
527
00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:15,391
and said he was going to the bathroom
and never came back."
528
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,937
And nobody wondered where he was.
529
00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:21,314
It doesn't make any sense to me.
530
00:32:21,397 --> 00:32:23,358
There's more to it
than what they're saying.
531
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:29,405
[dark music playing]
532
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:34,786
[Andrew] In the days that followed
the investigation into where Josh went,
533
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,997
the investigators were still looking
at additional physical evidence.
534
00:32:38,915 --> 00:32:41,292
[Vic] After that initial search,
535
00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:45,088
our office didn't remove the computer
or the hard drive or anything
536
00:32:45,171 --> 00:32:47,173
from Joshua's room.
537
00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:50,051
At the time, they didn't have
any reason to believe that
538
00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:52,011
the computer would yield any information
539
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:55,181
based on the direction they were going
with that early investigation.
540
00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:59,352
So we got access to the computer
from Brian, and we were able to see
541
00:32:59,435 --> 00:33:02,563
that somebody had used an Internet washer
on Joshua's computer
542
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,607
several days after his disappearance.
543
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:08,903
[Andrew] The Internet
washing program in 2002
544
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,490
was a program that was able
to be installed from the Internet
545
00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:15,660
onto the device,
which then would allow some files
546
00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:17,495
to either be deleted temporarily
547
00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:20,415
or deleted permanently
from the hard drive of a computer.
548
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,041
This Internet washer
549
00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,919
was something that had not
been done previously on this computer.
550
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,296
It was obviously suspicious for us
551
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:30,508
and something that we wanted
to make sure we shed some more light on.
552
00:33:30,591 --> 00:33:33,803
It was not normal
for Josh's use on the computer.
553
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,348
[Lisa] After Josh disappeared,
554
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:39,475
they didn't close his room off
or anything.
555
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,853
So anybody could go in and out.
556
00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:46,774
So Brian made the decision
to get all his stuff out of there
557
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,194
within I think it was two weeks
of Josh being missing.
558
00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:56,576
[Brian] All the kids in that apartment
could have had access to his computer
559
00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:58,453
and anything else.
560
00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:04,000
[Nick] I was careful not to
do anything on his computer,
561
00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:05,960
and I didn't wanna disturb anything,
562
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,421
because it struck me
as something that may be significant,
563
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:10,590
and I was not going to be
messing around with it.
564
00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:14,761
[David] It does seem odd that within days
after someone goes missing,
565
00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:16,554
someone other than the missing person
566
00:34:16,637 --> 00:34:19,015
goes onto their computer
and deletes files.
567
00:34:19,098 --> 00:34:21,726
But we don't know who,
and we don't know what the files were.
568
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:25,605
So you just felt like
there was more to that computer.
569
00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:32,987
{\an8}We did everything together.
We went to college together.
570
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,406
{\an8}We started the next chapter
of our life together,
571
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,367
{\an8}and I guess I just assumed that
it would be the same when we graduated.
572
00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:42,163
{\an8}[Katie] It took me a long time
to realize and accept
573
00:34:42,246 --> 00:34:44,749
{\an8}that Josh was actually a missing person.
574
00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:48,002
{\an8}I kept expecting him to be at class
575
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:51,923
or to show up at mock trial or just to...
to just be back at campus.
576
00:34:52,006 --> 00:34:56,427
[voice breaking] It took me a long time to
really accept that he might not come back.
577
00:34:57,303 --> 00:35:01,224
{\an8}[crying] He was my best friend,
and up here on campus, he was my family.
578
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,354
[Nick] I still remember
graduation in 2003.
579
00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:10,108
It was, for most of the people there,
obviously, they're really happy.
580
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:12,944
It's a joyous day. I felt none of that.
581
00:35:13,027 --> 00:35:14,695
I just wanted to be done.
582
00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:17,824
[Katie crying] I missed him so much.
583
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:21,244
It was like I lost a part of myself.
584
00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:23,454
We were really close, and...
585
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:27,792
I felt a little lost without him.
586
00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:30,837
[news jingle playing]
587
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,715
{\an8}It's been five years since
a St. John's student was last seen.
588
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:37,093
{\an8}No one knows exactly what happened
to Josh Guimond.
589
00:35:37,176 --> 00:35:40,221
{\an8}Still, his family and friends
hope for his return.
590
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:41,681
{\an8}It's worse now.
591
00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:44,016
{\an8}It's worse because, you know,
it's like this is the day
592
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,477
{\an8}that marks the fifth year
that he's been gone,
593
00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:50,064
{\an8}and we have no idea
what happened, where he is.
594
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,907
[Vic] When we looked at this case
and didn't have any specific thing
595
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,660
directing us to what happened,
596
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:06,038
almost everything was considered.
597
00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:10,293
And specifically in 2008,
598
00:36:10,376 --> 00:36:12,920
the thing that I began looking at
was Josh's computer.
599
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,301
Different people have looked at
the actual original hard drive.
600
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,220
But in 2008,
601
00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:24,640
additional technology started giving me
602
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:28,144
some new investigative things to look at,
603
00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:29,604
some different possibilities.
604
00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:33,191
I took that hard drive
to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension,
605
00:36:33,274 --> 00:36:34,734
set it up in their lab.
606
00:36:34,817 --> 00:36:36,777
And since that time,
607
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,281
that computer really has been the
most central part of the investigation.
608
00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:42,867
We learned the Internet washer
609
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:45,953
that we found on Joshua's computer in 2002
610
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:50,082
would only delete browser history,
cookies, things of that nature.
611
00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,585
It wouldn't wipe out a ton of data.
612
00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:56,339
So we still had the vast majority
of the contents of the computer.
613
00:36:56,422 --> 00:37:00,134
We looked at his emails,
which was pretty mundane, normal stuff
614
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:03,763
that you would expect to see
on a college kid's computer.
615
00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:04,847
Um...
616
00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,891
The things that started
to pique my interest
617
00:37:06,974 --> 00:37:10,061
that this could be a key
to solving the case
618
00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:14,565
were he was spending time
on Yahoo! Personals.
619
00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:19,153
[Andrew] We identified
three different profiles
620
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,447
that we believe were used by Josh.
621
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:25,618
One of which has part of his name
and a zip code for the area he lived.
622
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:29,914
And then two other ones
portray himself as a female.
623
00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:33,960
One is "CoochieCoo2002"
and the other one is "GwenGirlBigJugs."
624
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,713
We know with follow-up
with the individuals later on
625
00:37:37,797 --> 00:37:42,468
that he was chatting online with men
and portraying himself as a female.
626
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:45,346
[Vic] The examination of Joshua's computer
627
00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:47,473
leads me to believe
he might have had some secrets
628
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:48,975
he didn't wanna share with people.
629
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:50,977
Some of the things
that were on his computer
630
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,687
would lead you to believe that maybe
631
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,940
he was looking
for casual encounters of some kind,
632
00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:59,610
trying to meet people online that
he didn't necessarily share with anyone.
633
00:38:00,695 --> 00:38:03,322
He might have been
exploring his sexuality,
634
00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:06,200
but at the same time,
the pornography that he looked at
635
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:12,707
and had on his computer ranged from
heterosexual to homosexual pornography.
636
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:16,919
And nobody that we interviewed
really had any belief or information
637
00:38:17,003 --> 00:38:20,089
or any indication
that he was homosexual or transgender.
638
00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:25,052
I don't think Josh was gay.
I never got that impression from him.
639
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:27,722
I wasn't aware of him
exploring anything like that
640
00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:30,182
while we were together when I knew him.
641
00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:33,686
I never saw any sign that he was gay.
642
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,981
So that would surprise me considerably.
643
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:44,947
[David] From looking at that account,
your mind kind of wanders.
644
00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,450
What would you do
if you were the person interacting
645
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:51,329
with the profile he set up,
and you found out you were talking to
646
00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:55,082
a 20-year-old male college student
at St. John's?
647
00:38:56,167 --> 00:39:00,087
What would that cause someone to do
if they found that out?
648
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:01,881
Certainly would be embarrassing.
649
00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:06,344
Would it drive you to the point of saying,
"I wanna find out who did that"?
650
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:10,222
"I wanna go meet that person.
Do I wanna go do harm to that person?"
651
00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:13,601
I don't know what it would cause people
to think. That crossed my mind.
652
00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:18,773
[Andrew] One of the theories
is that Josh potentially met someone
653
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,566
on an instant messaging chat site,
654
00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:24,070
ended up chatting with them ahead of time
to line up maybe some sort of meet-up,
655
00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,530
which could explain why
he left in the middle of the night.
656
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:28,991
[menacing music playing]
657
00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:32,578
Maybe meeting with someone
that he maybe didn't fully know,
658
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:34,455
and something happened to him.
659
00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:43,589
So we looked at the St. John's Life Safety
incident reports that they had back then.
660
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:47,885
Life Safety Services is the name
for the security staff on campus.
661
00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:51,389
So we're just looking for any complaints
about suspicious activity,
662
00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:54,225
just to look for suspicious vehicles,
suspicious people,
663
00:39:54,308 --> 00:39:58,187
and people on campus that were
not affiliated with the campus in any way.
664
00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:01,607
And there was two incident reports
that really piqued my interest.
665
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,735
In both of those instances,
666
00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:09,031
there was a vehicle
that Life Safety Services had seen
667
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:13,619
in various different places on campus
on two different nights in 2002,
668
00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:15,663
prior to Joshua's disappearance.
669
00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:21,710
There are several other areas on campus
that are dark, not well lit,
670
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:23,838
little more remote
on the outskirts of campus
671
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,215
that aren't used typically at night,
672
00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:30,636
that people would frequent
for meetings or hookups.
673
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:34,765
The places the car was seen
were consistent
674
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:36,684
with that kind of hookup area.
675
00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,480
[Andrew] Campus security stated
in the incident reports
676
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,732
that when they drove up to the vehicle,
677
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,987
they noticed a college-aged male
678
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:53,742
get out of the front passenger seat
and run off into the darkness.
679
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:55,870
Life Safety, in their first report,
680
00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:59,874
detailed that the person that
took off running was a college-aged male.
681
00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,751
They weren't able
to tell much more than that.
682
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,003
But in the second report,
683
00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:08,257
Life Safety was able to speak with
another college-aged male
684
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,718
who was in the front passenger seat
of that vehicle.
685
00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:13,053
Life Safety detailed in both reports
686
00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,389
that the passenger
in the front passenger seat
687
00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,391
was not identified in either case.
688
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:19,477
[ominous music playing]
689
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:25,065
The incident reports specifically state
what the vehicle was,
690
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:28,194
and they described it as
an orange Pontiac Sunfire.
691
00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:34,867
[Vic] They had obtained a license plate
number, a vehicle description,
692
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:38,412
and in one instance, had stopped
and spoken with this individual.
693
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:43,417
He told them he was dropping off
a student on campus.
694
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,048
We have been in contact with
the individual from the incident reports,
695
00:41:49,131 --> 00:41:52,468
and he provided us the same explanation
that he did at the time,
696
00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:55,971
was that he was dropping off a student
from another campus.
697
00:41:57,848 --> 00:42:00,726
And we had an interest
in finding the vehicle
698
00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:02,728
to see if there would be forensic evidence
699
00:42:02,811 --> 00:42:06,482
indicating whether this individual
had any contact with Joshua.
700
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:11,695
Unfortunately, it's not available to us
because that vehicle has been crushed.
701
00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:16,784
We would like
to identify the student he was with.
702
00:42:17,868 --> 00:42:21,247
And ask how they met this individual,
what the purpose of the meeting was,
703
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,334
just to see if it's in any way related
to Joshua's disappearance.
704
00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:27,670
If this person is frequenting the campus,
705
00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:31,382
we wanna know if he had any encounters
or interactions with Joshua.
706
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:36,345
[Andrew] But also, our Sheriff's Office
is interested in speaking with anybody
707
00:42:36,428 --> 00:42:41,100
who had contact with this male individual
in a Pontiac Sunfire, orange in color,
708
00:42:41,183 --> 00:42:44,270
or any other person
who might have come on campus
709
00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,564
for whatever reason at that time.
710
00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:49,858
Investigators have reviewed
some of the identified male photos
711
00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:52,486
from Josh's Yahoo! user account,
712
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:57,366
and that individual in a Pontiac Sunfire
was not found to match any of those.
713
00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:01,412
[Vic] I do think that Joshua's
computer activity,
714
00:43:01,495 --> 00:43:03,789
and specifically
being on Yahoo! Personals,
715
00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,375
might have contributed
to his disappearance.
716
00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:11,171
It seems probable he was on a dating site
or trying to meet people,
717
00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:16,135
and I think it's probably
our most likely avenue or theory.
718
00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:21,140
When we imaged the hard drive,
we saw a lot of different images,
719
00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:24,852
and some of them are directly linked
to his Yahoo! Personals site.
720
00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:29,273
We have quite a few photos we would like
the public's help in identifying
721
00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:31,108
so we can go out and speak to these people
722
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,569
to see if they have any connection
to Joshua at all,
723
00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:35,279
if they've ever met Joshua,
724
00:43:35,362 --> 00:43:38,991
and why they might appear
on his computer hard drive.
725
00:43:42,661 --> 00:43:44,663
[gentle music playing]
726
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,544
[Vic] I hung Joshua's photo on the wall
727
00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:52,921
for everybody that's
coming through this office because...
728
00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:56,258
we still have this unsolved case.
729
00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:03,057
And we have to have that
constant daily reminder that it's there
730
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:04,475
so it's not forgotten.
731
00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:09,313
[voice breaking]
It's important to me personally.
732
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:16,779
Disappointment in this case is...
733
00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:22,743
[Joshua on video] The road ahead
is a long and difficult one.
734
00:44:23,702 --> 00:44:26,705
{\an8}Fortunately, we've been very well equipped
735
00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:29,333
{\an8}to celebrate the conclusion
736
00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:34,171
{\an8}of the last chapter
of the first volume of our lives.
737
00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:38,801
Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine
that we would be 20 years later
738
00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:41,512
and still have no idea
what happened to him.
739
00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:46,183
[Brian] Josh'd be 39 now,
740
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:49,728
and I would assume he would...
741
00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:52,398
be a lawyer if not a senator already.
742
00:44:52,481 --> 00:44:53,524
[laughs]
743
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,736
[Nick] He was gonna go to
some elite law school, maybe Yale,
744
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:01,031
and then come back to his hometown
of Maple Lake, open up his law practice.
745
00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:03,784
[Dana] Josh would be the
President of the United States right now
746
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:05,160
if he hadn't disappeared.
747
00:45:05,244 --> 00:45:07,579
If not president,
on his way to being president.
748
00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:10,541
[Lisa] I always told Josh,
749
00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,795
"When you grow up,
in your big political career,
750
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:15,796
just remember,
751
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:19,717
I'm living in the West Wing
of the mansion,
752
00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:26,056
and you're building your father
a cabin way up north in the woods."
753
00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:30,018
And he said, "I'll do that for you, Mom."
754
00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:36,358
[Dana] I think Josh probably had secrets.
755
00:45:36,442 --> 00:45:39,987
Maybe they got him killed. I don't know.
756
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:43,699
I wish that whoever knew those secrets
would come forward.
757
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:45,617
Bring 'em to light.
758
00:45:47,327 --> 00:45:49,329
[gentle music continues]
759
00:45:50,038 --> 00:45:51,373
[Lisa] He's our son.
760
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:55,627
We wanna know what happened to him.
We love him.
761
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:58,589
It doesn't make any difference. He's...
762
00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:00,132
He's my son.
763
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,902
[sinister music playing]
764
00:46:21,487 --> 00:46:26,450
I remember my mom having dreams
about some weird guy and some lady.
765
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:29,161
[woman 1] I could see a dungeon,
766
00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:33,749
and they're doing sadistic
and weird things to this girl.
767
00:46:34,416 --> 00:46:39,546
I feel like her spirit
was trying to get in touch with someone.
768
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,423
I think she wants to be found.
769
00:46:42,132 --> 00:46:45,385
[man 1] How did the boat get out that far?
What happened that day?
770
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:48,138
[man 2] He clearly
wasn't killed in that boat.
771
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,224
There's zero biological evidence in there.
772
00:46:50,307 --> 00:46:53,227
This was not a suicide. This is a murder.
773
00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,439
[woman 2] The entire place was cleaned.
They were just gone.
774
00:46:57,523 --> 00:47:00,317
There's nothing left.
There is no playbook for kidnapping.
775
00:47:05,948 --> 00:47:07,950
{\an8}[mysterious music playing]