1 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,436 [ominous music playing] 2 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,855 [reporter 1] One year ago tonight, 3 00:00:21,938 --> 00:00:24,607 Joshua Guimond vanished from an apartment near St. John's University… 4 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:27,569 [reporter 2] It's been five years since a St. John's student was last seen… 5 00:00:27,652 --> 00:00:30,447 [reporter 3] This week marks 15 years since Josh Guimond went missing… 6 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:31,865 [reporter 4] The St. John's junior 7 00:00:31,948 --> 00:00:33,700 disappeared while walking home from a party. 8 00:00:33,783 --> 00:00:35,827 [reporter 5] He hasn't been seen since. 9 00:00:36,619 --> 00:00:40,040 [Dana Michalicek] I think Josh had secrets just like everybody else has secrets. 10 00:00:40,957 --> 00:00:43,668 But I don't care what Josh was doing. 11 00:00:45,587 --> 00:00:47,005 We just want our friend. 12 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:50,133 [mysterious music playing] 13 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:31,257 [rock music playing] 14 00:01:34,177 --> 00:01:37,347 [Katie Benson] That night, Josh was at a party 15 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:40,350 playing poker with some friends at a dorm on campus. 16 00:01:41,726 --> 00:01:45,855 [Andrew Struffert] Josh arrived at the party around 11:30 at night that evening. 17 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:49,109 And sometime before midnight, 18 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:53,613 people start realizing that Josh isn't there. 19 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:58,034 A couple of people at the party had noticed a male get up and leave, 20 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,994 but they weren't quite sure if it was Josh. 21 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,498 Josh just wasn't at the party anymore. 22 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:07,836 And there's no answers. 23 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:12,257 He's just gone. 24 00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:18,179 [somber music playing] 25 00:02:25,395 --> 00:02:27,188 -[Dana] Graduation. -[Lisa Cheney] Oh, yeah. 26 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:29,190 [Dana] He was so proud of his speech. 27 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:33,194 I remember him being just, like, working on that speech so hard. 28 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:35,113 [Lisa] I remember that. Yeah. 29 00:02:35,196 --> 00:02:38,116 That's when him and Katie were helping with the Special Olympics. 30 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:41,244 -Oh, yeah! I forgot about that. -Yeah. Yeah. 31 00:02:41,327 --> 00:02:42,787 Here's Katie and Josh from prom. 32 00:02:42,871 --> 00:02:45,665 -[Lisa] That's a nice picture. -I really love that one. 33 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:47,917 [announcer] Our first couple of the evening 34 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:50,253 is Senior Class Treasurer, Katie Benson, 35 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:54,090 escorted by our Senior Class President, Josh Guimond. 36 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:55,925 [crowd cheering and clapping] 37 00:02:58,553 --> 00:03:01,723 [Katie] Josh and I grew up together. We went to school together. 38 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:05,226 In our sophomore year of high school, we started dating. 39 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:07,478 So Josh was my high school sweetheart. 40 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:13,109 He was very handsome, blond with blue eyes. 41 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:16,279 He was athletic. He had a great sense of humor. 42 00:03:16,362 --> 00:03:18,615 And I think a lot of people didn't see that side of him 43 00:03:18,698 --> 00:03:21,701 because he always came across as very confident and studious. 44 00:03:21,784 --> 00:03:24,287 Oh, my gosh. Look at how serious he is right there. 45 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:26,164 You guys both look so grumpy. 46 00:03:26,247 --> 00:03:29,042 -Everyone else in the picture is smiling. -Everybody else is smiling! 47 00:03:29,125 --> 00:03:32,879 [Dana] Josh and I, we met when we were in about second grade 48 00:03:32,962 --> 00:03:35,965 and then became really close at the end of high school. 49 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:39,302 After that, we still stayed close. 50 00:03:40,428 --> 00:03:43,389 Josh was nominated as "most likely to succeed" 51 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:45,016 in our high school class, 52 00:03:45,099 --> 00:03:47,936 and I really believed that he would have succeeded. 53 00:03:48,811 --> 00:03:51,648 [Lisa] Josh liked to have a lot of fun. He was outgoing. 54 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:56,527 He was always happy and smarter than he should have been. 55 00:03:56,611 --> 00:04:01,741 [Josh] Thirteen years ago, we were branded as special from the very beginning. 56 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:04,619 We were the Class of 2000… 57 00:04:04,702 --> 00:04:07,664 [Brian Guimond] Josh was interested in being a lawyer. 58 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:11,000 And even as a kid, you can tell by the way he would talk to you 59 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:13,044 when you'd talk to him about things. 60 00:04:13,127 --> 00:04:15,380 He would always be questioning. [laughs] 61 00:04:15,463 --> 00:04:20,468 [Josh] Society may change, but good, solid teaching never will. 62 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:23,096 As soon as Josh was gonna turn 35, 63 00:04:23,179 --> 00:04:25,932 he was running for the next presidential election. 64 00:04:26,015 --> 00:04:26,849 [man] Hey, Josh! 65 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:30,937 [Katie] He planned on going to law school once we finished college, 66 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:33,773 and then from there, he was going to be a lawyer. 67 00:04:33,856 --> 00:04:35,275 And then he would be a politician. 68 00:04:35,358 --> 00:04:37,443 And eventually he would be the president. 69 00:04:38,736 --> 00:04:42,156 When we went to college, we decided to go to similar schools. 70 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,035 I went to the College of Saint Benedict, which is all-female, 71 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:48,454 and he went to St. John's University. 72 00:04:48,538 --> 00:04:50,915 St. John's is an all-male school. 73 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:54,335 They are two separate campuses but a joint college, 74 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:58,214 so we were able to have classes together and continue our relationship in college. 75 00:04:59,215 --> 00:05:03,344 [Nick Hydukovich] My sophomore year, I joined the mock trial team with Josh, 76 00:05:03,428 --> 00:05:06,222 who was a year behind me at St. John's. 77 00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:12,437 Josh struck me pretty quickly as someone who I knew I could trust, 78 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,691 a very intelligent person, and a very easy person to get along with. 79 00:05:16,774 --> 00:05:21,529 As we got to know each other better, we realized we had a lot in common. 80 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,616 My senior year, his junior year, we were roommates, 81 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:29,245 and I was one of his best friends at the time he disappeared. 82 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:33,041 [dark music playing] 83 00:05:33,124 --> 00:05:36,419 [Brian] The last time I saw Josh was the week before 84 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:39,547 down at Macalester College, watching the mock trial. 85 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:44,177 He won a number of awards, and I told him, "Yeah, you did real good," 86 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:47,764 told him I loved him, and said, "We'll see you next time." You know? 87 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:49,724 And that was it. 88 00:05:55,229 --> 00:05:58,191 [Nick] On Saturday, November 9th, 2002, 89 00:05:58,274 --> 00:06:00,526 Josh and I went to brunch together. 90 00:06:00,610 --> 00:06:03,571 And at some point, we got an invitation from Katie to say, 91 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:06,366 "Do you guys wanna come over and hang out with me and my roommates?" 92 00:06:08,117 --> 00:06:11,954 And so I thought, "I'll go over to Katie's and hang out with them tonight." 93 00:06:12,622 --> 00:06:16,167 But Josh also got an invitation from some other friends 94 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:20,380 who were playing poker that night at another guy's apartment. 95 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:24,717 So the last time I saw him would have been after dinner, 96 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:27,011 probably 6:30, 7:00. 97 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:31,641 He was with his friend Alex in our apartment. 98 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:35,228 I said, "Hey, I'm gonna head over," and Josh said, "Yeah, okay. Have fun." 99 00:06:35,311 --> 00:06:37,146 And I said, "You guys have a good night too." 100 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:39,482 "We'll see you later." And that was it. 101 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:43,903 [suspenseful music playing] 102 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:50,368 I think it was sometime a little after 2:00 a.m. when I left Katie's apartment. 103 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:54,455 I went home. I went upstairs. I noticed Josh wasn't in his room. 104 00:06:56,791 --> 00:06:59,419 But I just said, "Oh, he must still be at the party." 105 00:07:03,047 --> 00:07:04,382 The next morning, 106 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:07,718 I saw he still wasn't there. 107 00:07:08,928 --> 00:07:10,596 And I thought that was weird. 108 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:13,891 I checked my AOL Instant Messenger. 109 00:07:13,975 --> 00:07:17,520 His account had been idle for probably over 12 hours. 110 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:20,940 All I could think of is, like, "Where is he?" 111 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:23,860 I talked to Greg and Alex, 112 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:26,863 because he was with both of them the previous night, 113 00:07:27,363 --> 00:07:29,574 but they didn't know where he was. 114 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:33,995 I think it was probably 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon, 115 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:36,789 and Nick called me and asked if I knew where Josh was 116 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:39,375 because he had said Josh missed the mock trial meeting. 117 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,752 I remember thinking that was very out of character. 118 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:45,214 I knew something was wrong. 119 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:49,051 I knew something had happened to him, or something was preventing him 120 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:52,930 from coming back because I knew he wouldn't have just left on his own. 121 00:07:53,014 --> 00:07:54,891 So I was… I was really worried. 122 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,730 [Lisa] I got a call from the Dean of Students 123 00:08:00,813 --> 00:08:04,233 Sunday night at 10:30 on November 10th, 124 00:08:04,734 --> 00:08:09,697 and he said, "You need to report your son missing." 125 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:14,744 "His friends haven't seen him since last night." 126 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:21,250 I was extremely scared and freaked out. 127 00:08:22,043 --> 00:08:25,713 Immediately, I knew it was a very serious situation. 128 00:08:28,382 --> 00:08:31,552 You're not thinking much at that point in time. 129 00:08:31,636 --> 00:08:33,179 Your only kid's missing. 130 00:08:33,262 --> 00:08:35,264 You don't know what to do. 131 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:37,350 [suspenseful music playing] 132 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:44,232 [Vic Weiss] The call from Joshua's mother reporting Joshua's disappearance came in 133 00:08:44,315 --> 00:08:48,361 November 10th at 11:42 in the evening. 134 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:52,990 The Sheriff's Office did do a search of his apartment. 135 00:08:53,574 --> 00:08:56,827 I would classify it more as just a walkthrough than anything. 136 00:08:56,911 --> 00:08:59,205 It wasn't locked down at the time. 137 00:08:59,288 --> 00:09:03,876 They were looking for signs of a struggle, signs of any type of criminal activity. 138 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,046 Might even be looking for suicide notes 139 00:09:07,129 --> 00:09:09,757 or anything that would kinda lead a clue to his whereabouts. 140 00:09:10,758 --> 00:09:13,636 But it looked like a normal college kid's room. 141 00:09:13,719 --> 00:09:15,096 The TV had still been on. 142 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:17,598 There was nothing that seemed out of the ordinary 143 00:09:17,682 --> 00:09:19,392 or anything of a criminal nature. 144 00:09:20,309 --> 00:09:23,396 [Vic] They looked at some of his personal effects, like his wallet. 145 00:09:23,479 --> 00:09:26,232 Some of those things might give you an indication if he left 146 00:09:26,315 --> 00:09:29,110 and planned to be gone for a little while if he packed a bag. 147 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:33,823 [Nick] I remember his keys were there, and we looked and checked. 148 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:37,785 And his car was still in the parking lot where I remember him last parking. 149 00:09:37,868 --> 00:09:39,829 So we knew he hadn't driven anywhere. 150 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:44,083 [Steve] And I saw Josh's eyeglasses and contact cases still present. 151 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,128 And that, to me, would be something that you'd for sure take 152 00:09:47,211 --> 00:09:50,506 if you were gonna maybe try to go start a new life or something somewhere. 153 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:53,926 [Vic] You gotta wear your contact lenses to get around, 154 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:56,804 so with the contact lens case being open with no contact lenses in it, 155 00:09:56,887 --> 00:10:00,474 we just figured he didn't come home and that he was still somewhere on campus. 156 00:10:00,558 --> 00:10:03,060 There was no reason to believe that anything else had happened. 157 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:04,478 It was not uncommon for kids 158 00:10:04,562 --> 00:10:07,315 to just spend the night somewhere other than their dormitory. 159 00:10:08,524 --> 00:10:11,319 So we talked to Joshua's friends and roommates 160 00:10:11,402 --> 00:10:15,573 to help track his movements and activities the night before his disappearance. 161 00:10:18,409 --> 00:10:23,372 [Andrew] Josh and his friends were in Josh's apartment at St. Maur House. 162 00:10:24,832 --> 00:10:30,046 They left the apartment to go to the party at 75 Metten Court, 163 00:10:30,129 --> 00:10:32,465 which was about a five-minute walk away. 164 00:10:32,548 --> 00:10:37,470 [Vic] We do know that Joshua's key card was used to access his apartment at 11:06, 165 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:39,180 which we believe was him 166 00:10:39,263 --> 00:10:41,849 going back in to the apartment to retrieve a few more beers. 167 00:10:43,142 --> 00:10:47,063 And that was the last time Josh key-carded back into his apartment. 168 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:50,066 [dark music playing] 169 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:53,819 St. John's University is a really small campus. 170 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:56,197 I mean, student body of 2,000. 171 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,991 There's not a lot of distance between any of the buildings. 172 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:02,995 Joshua's dormitory, St. Maur House, 173 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,748 is more in the central, middle part of the campus. 174 00:11:05,831 --> 00:11:08,292 The Metten Court Apartments where the party was 175 00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:11,003 is more on the northern border of the campus. 176 00:11:11,087 --> 00:11:13,881 There's a lake that stretches through the campus that would keep you 177 00:11:13,964 --> 00:11:17,510 from going directly from the Metten Court apartments to St. Maur house. 178 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,350 The poker party that Joshua went to was a pretty small gathering, ten to 12 kids. 179 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:27,645 Some of them knew who Josh was but didn't know him terribly well, 180 00:11:27,728 --> 00:11:29,730 and there was some people who didn't know him at all 181 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:30,981 and just met him that evening. 182 00:11:31,774 --> 00:11:35,986 They said he showed up at the party between 11:30 and 12:00, 183 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:40,491 and that Josh had a few drinks, and was playing cards. 184 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:43,452 [Katie] I talked to a lot of Josh's friends 185 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:45,663 who were at the poker party with him, 186 00:11:45,746 --> 00:11:47,748 and the way they describe him… 187 00:11:47,832 --> 00:11:49,208 He was in a good mood. 188 00:11:49,291 --> 00:11:51,961 He was having a great time. He was joking around. 189 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:54,964 He was acting like his normal self at the party. 190 00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:57,633 [Andrew] Some thought that he had been intoxicated. 191 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,969 Some thought he was still sober enough 192 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:03,556 to be able to walk, and talk, and keep control of himself. 193 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:08,436 [Vic] Eventually, they saw Joshua get up from the table, 194 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:11,313 and nobody really paid attention to where he was going. 195 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:14,191 According to people at the poker party, 196 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:18,279 he just got up and left the party without saying anything to anybody. 197 00:12:19,071 --> 00:12:22,825 [Andrew] One person stated that they believed he was going to the bathroom. 198 00:12:22,908 --> 00:12:27,663 In this case, both the apartment front entry door and the bathroom 199 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,331 are kind of in the same direction. 200 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:33,335 So if someone wasn't paying attention, they wouldn't know which way he was going. 201 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:38,299 I can't remember any time that he had done that previously, 202 00:12:38,382 --> 00:12:41,010 where he would have just left without saying goodbye. 203 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:47,141 The Josh I knew would tell the people that he came with that he was leaving. 204 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,563 [Andrew] That first night of the investigation, 205 00:12:53,272 --> 00:12:56,650 a tracking dog was called in to track Josh's scent. 206 00:12:57,693 --> 00:13:02,364 It led to that pathway that is between Metten Court Apartments 207 00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:03,991 and St. Maur house. 208 00:13:06,118 --> 00:13:07,828 And the trail kinda stopped there. 209 00:13:14,335 --> 00:13:16,962 [David Unze] At the time of Josh's disappearance, 210 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:20,841 I was a crime and courts reporter for the St. Cloud Times newspaper 211 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:22,051 in St. Cloud, Minnesota. 212 00:13:23,552 --> 00:13:26,013 Within hours of Josh disappearing, 213 00:13:26,096 --> 00:13:27,014 I was made aware 214 00:13:27,097 --> 00:13:30,351 that they had a missing persons case at St. John's University. 215 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:33,479 They brought in bloodhounds pretty quickly after Josh disappeared, 216 00:13:33,562 --> 00:13:38,108 and I believe one of the bloodhounds hit on an area on a bridge 217 00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:42,404 that would have been on the path from the card game to where Josh lived. 218 00:13:43,697 --> 00:13:45,407 And they found two witnesses. 219 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:51,205 Through our investigation, we identified two witnesses that were students. 220 00:13:51,288 --> 00:13:53,791 One was a St. John student. One was a St. Ben's student. 221 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:55,543 So, basically, a guy and a girl. 222 00:13:58,003 --> 00:13:59,630 [Vic] Between 12:15 and 12:30, 223 00:13:59,713 --> 00:14:03,676 they were walking down the road towards the Metten Court Apartments. 224 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,972 When they got down in that area, near the footbridge by Stumpf Lake, 225 00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:11,725 they noticed a man wearing a hooded sweatshirt with blue jeans, 226 00:14:12,434 --> 00:14:16,939 and the overall physical description matched that of Joshua's. 227 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:21,652 They continued to walk, and when they looked back a second time, 228 00:14:23,404 --> 00:14:25,322 that person wasn't there any longer. 229 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:29,660 [Andrew] That was about the same time that Josh left the party. 230 00:14:29,743 --> 00:14:31,453 So it is believed that that was Josh. 231 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:38,377 [Vic] The witnesses didn't report seeing anything or anyone else. 232 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:44,133 No other people, no other cars, no indication of what might have happened. 233 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:47,595 [Steve] He just… he up and vanished. 234 00:14:47,678 --> 00:14:49,972 There's nothing to lead us in one direction or another. 235 00:14:50,806 --> 00:14:52,892 He's here one minute and gone the next. 236 00:14:52,975 --> 00:14:56,520 [Lisa] Josh is missing. His friends didn't know where he was. 237 00:14:56,604 --> 00:14:57,938 Nobody had seen him. 238 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:01,442 So I was extremely worried because it was out of character, 239 00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:03,193 and it was not Josh. 240 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:11,619 [grave music playing] 241 00:15:16,540 --> 00:15:20,461 [Nick] There were numerous agencies involved in the search efforts. 242 00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:24,506 The Stearns County Sheriff's Office was the lead investigative agency. 243 00:15:25,132 --> 00:15:27,635 The National Guard was eventually called in 244 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:30,888 to help with searches because the college campus part itself, 245 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:33,849 where students would go, was relatively small, 246 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:38,354 but the area owned by St. John's was massive. 247 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:44,652 [Vic] St. John's University is a private college campus on several hundred acres. 248 00:15:44,735 --> 00:15:47,363 It's in a rural area in Stearns County. 249 00:15:47,446 --> 00:15:50,699 It's just a lot of ground to cover, from swamps to lakes 250 00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:53,869 to wooded, hilly, thick terrain. 251 00:15:56,246 --> 00:15:59,041 [Lisa] Tuesday, they brought in the horses, 252 00:15:59,124 --> 00:16:02,336 and they searched the campus and the ravines. 253 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:06,382 And then, on the third day, Wednesday, 254 00:16:06,465 --> 00:16:10,761 they let us search with them, and they broke us up into groups. 255 00:16:10,844 --> 00:16:12,638 -Shouldn't we go back up here then? -What? 256 00:16:12,721 --> 00:16:14,556 We're going to… We're going to the footbridge. 257 00:16:15,057 --> 00:16:17,935 I went out physically searching, walking around the campus. 258 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:21,105 There was hundreds of people there. 259 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:25,943 [Vic] It was probably the biggest search effort that I've ever seen. 260 00:16:26,026 --> 00:16:28,904 Probably would be the biggest search effort in the county. 261 00:16:30,364 --> 00:16:31,824 [Nick] I was scared to death 262 00:16:31,907 --> 00:16:37,162 because we're looking for our friend in this brush for whatever we could find, 263 00:16:37,246 --> 00:16:38,998 and we didn't see anything. 264 00:16:40,624 --> 00:16:42,793 [Katie crying] I wanted to know what happened to him. 265 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:44,336 I wanted him to be found. I just… 266 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:47,589 I didn't wanna be the one who found him. 267 00:16:50,134 --> 00:16:53,053 Joshua Guimond is still missing tonight… 268 00:16:53,137 --> 00:16:57,016 The FBI was brought in rather early in the case. 269 00:16:57,099 --> 00:17:00,894 Authorities in Minnesota and Wisconsin have a disturbing mystery on their hands. 270 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,771 [Vic] At the time that Josh disappeared, 271 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:05,858 there was several college-aged students that were missing. 272 00:17:05,941 --> 00:17:08,861 All were about the same age, vanished at night. 273 00:17:08,944 --> 00:17:11,321 Could the unsolved disappearances be linked? 274 00:17:12,239 --> 00:17:14,283 [Vic] There was a theory that a serial-type killer 275 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:16,702 was traveling up and down the Mississippi River here 276 00:17:16,785 --> 00:17:18,787 and abducting these people and killing them. 277 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:21,915 [reporter on TV] Chris Jenkins disappeared after a Halloween party 278 00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:23,667 at this bar in Minneapolis. 279 00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:27,546 Six days later, Michael Noll, a 22-year-old college student, 280 00:17:27,629 --> 00:17:31,508 vanished after celebrating his birthday at a party in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. 281 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:34,803 You know, these are all young men. 282 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:39,725 People like Josh who are successful, driven, ambitious… 283 00:17:39,808 --> 00:17:42,895 [reporter] …all within a hundred-mile radius of Minneapolis. 284 00:17:42,978 --> 00:17:46,148 But two other key elements tie the cases together. 285 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:48,317 Alcohol and water. 286 00:17:49,526 --> 00:17:55,199 The Michael Noll and Chris Jenkins cases happening at so close to the same time 287 00:17:55,282 --> 00:18:00,370 added confusion to Josh's case that maybe wouldn't have been there 288 00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:02,664 if there hadn't been so many other things happening. 289 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:08,295 Connecting things that aren't connected can really screw up the investigation. 290 00:18:08,378 --> 00:18:11,715 [reporter 1 on TV] Both local law enforcement and the FBI say 291 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:13,717 while they haven't ruled out a connection, 292 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:16,678 there's no evidence the disappearances are related. 293 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:18,514 [Anderson Cooper] Are their stories connected? 294 00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:20,849 At this point, all they know, and all we know for sure, 295 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,852 is that their children are nowhere to be found. 296 00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:30,818 [Vic] During the initial searches for Josh, K9 was brought in, 297 00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:33,904 and the dog led us down to the water by the bridge. 298 00:18:33,987 --> 00:18:36,782 So the thought was, "Did he fall in the water?" 299 00:18:36,865 --> 00:18:38,367 "Did he go down to the water?" 300 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:42,412 "Was he intoxicated and stumbled?" You know, "He may be in the water." 301 00:18:44,331 --> 00:18:48,836 [Steve] The searches included dragging for a body, divers in the water, 302 00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:51,547 boats where we're using sonar technology… 303 00:18:53,298 --> 00:18:57,219 [Nick] Seeing that lake being dragged 304 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,475 was like the most surreal, probably awful memory I have. 305 00:19:04,351 --> 00:19:06,854 I'm out here looking for my best friend 306 00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:09,565 that the police think is at the bottom of this lake. 307 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:13,318 I couldn't believe the craziness of it and the gravity of it, 308 00:19:13,402 --> 00:19:14,736 and it just takes a toll. 309 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,991 [Vic] But as winter set in, 310 00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:21,201 there was thought because the water was so cold, 311 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:24,329 in some instances freezing over early on, 312 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,373 that if Josh was in the water, 313 00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:31,336 his body may never surface until the water temperatures rose. 314 00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:36,425 So we did suspend the search activities in the waters, 315 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,428 and we were just waiting till the spring. 316 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:44,850 [expectant music playing] 317 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:51,565 [Katie] You know, as fall turned into winter, 318 00:19:51,648 --> 00:19:53,942 it was really frustrating because it felt like 319 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:56,153 there were no more search activities on campus. 320 00:19:56,236 --> 00:20:01,992 It felt like everything sort of stopped, and there was really nowhere else to look. 321 00:20:02,659 --> 00:20:04,578 Kinda felt helpless. 322 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:09,041 [Nick] I was asked by people at St. John's 323 00:20:09,124 --> 00:20:12,002 how I would feel about having somebody else move into Josh's room. 324 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:14,838 But I said, "No." I didn't want that to happen. 325 00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:18,175 I thought that that was a really awful idea. 326 00:20:19,426 --> 00:20:21,929 It was hard, even seeing that closed door every day 327 00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:24,723 because it was sort of symbolic of 328 00:20:24,806 --> 00:20:27,559 "That's Josh's room, but now it's just this closed door." 329 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:33,482 [Katie] I'm not sure how I finished that semester when Josh disappeared. 330 00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:35,692 [crying] It was unimaginable. 331 00:20:36,818 --> 00:20:41,031 He and I had a class together that semester, and I… 332 00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:42,324 I never went back. 333 00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:46,787 [reporter] Guimond was last seen about midnight as he left a party. 334 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:50,165 There was search after search. No sign of him. 335 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,168 His family pleaded for police to do more. 336 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,586 Josh is out there somewhere. 337 00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:57,965 There's been no body found, so we got no reason to believe he's dead. 338 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:01,260 [Vic] I don't think Brian was satisfied 339 00:21:01,343 --> 00:21:03,929 with the direction we were taking the investigation, 340 00:21:04,012 --> 00:21:06,056 the speed in which we were doing the investigation, 341 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,183 our attention to the investigation, 342 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,852 and he wanted answers to what happened to his son. 343 00:21:14,189 --> 00:21:18,902 Around that time, the family brought in a bloodhound to help with the search. 344 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:21,697 [handler] Is that the third, second or third time she's been there? 345 00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:25,575 [Andrew] It's not uncommon for those bloodhounds to be able to 346 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,620 pick up the scent long after an individual has gone missing. 347 00:21:28,704 --> 00:21:30,539 Weeks and months afterwards. 348 00:21:32,916 --> 00:21:38,046 This dog traced Joshua's scent from Metten Court to Stumpf Lake, 349 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:43,468 then to Josh's apartment at St. Maur House, 350 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:48,265 then to St. John's Abbey. 351 00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:55,022 [Nick] St. John's University is a fairly unique institution. 352 00:21:56,523 --> 00:21:58,734 It's a religious college. 353 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:04,906 There's a monastery on campus, and some of the monks are professors. 354 00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:12,497 At the time Josh disappeared, there was a lot of news stories coming out 355 00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:16,543 about things happening at the monastery or the abbey at St. John's. 356 00:22:16,626 --> 00:22:20,922 More allegations of clergy sex abuse at St. John's Abbey in Collegeville. 357 00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,884 Today, in Stearns County Court, two civil lawsuits were filed 358 00:22:23,967 --> 00:22:26,845 alleging abuse of students dating back some 40 years. 359 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,722 Today, another victim stepped forward, 360 00:22:28,805 --> 00:22:31,683 claiming a monk molested him inside the school. 361 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:35,896 This is the fourth lawsuit filed against a monk at St. John's Abbey. 362 00:22:36,772 --> 00:22:38,231 [Nick] Before he disappeared, 363 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:41,401 Josh and I talked about the sexual abuse scandal at the abbey, 364 00:22:41,485 --> 00:22:43,445 and Josh was just irate about it. 365 00:22:44,988 --> 00:22:47,240 He was very upset that that kind of thing was happening 366 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,658 and that it had been covered up. 367 00:22:49,993 --> 00:22:53,830 Brian had told us that he believed Joshua was doing research 368 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:59,002 into the sexual misconduct, specifically for a research paper. 369 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:02,964 Now, we looked at his computer. 370 00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:04,466 We saw other research papers, 371 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,177 but I didn't see anything pertaining to that. 372 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:15,268 [Steve] So when the search led to the abbey with the bloodhound… 373 00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:18,230 [handler] She's casting right over here. 374 00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:21,650 [Steve] …when the dog started to get into more intrusive areas 375 00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:24,194 where the general public's not typically allowed, 376 00:23:24,277 --> 00:23:27,989 St. John's ended up contacting us to kinda deal with it. 377 00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,616 [handler] See where she wants to go? 378 00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:32,702 [Vic] Brian Guimond asked that the search continue inside the abbey, 379 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,538 and they were denied access. 380 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,250 Later, our office was called, 381 00:23:39,042 --> 00:23:42,838 and we were able to obtain consent to search through the abbey with the dog. 382 00:23:43,588 --> 00:23:46,425 [handler] Now she wants to go back over there, back up to the abbey. 383 00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:49,886 [Andrew] The dog found Josh's scent inside the abbey 384 00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:54,349 near the rear of the building, but no evidence of Josh was ever found. 385 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:57,936 [Vic] Bloodhounds can be trained to do any number of things, 386 00:23:58,019 --> 00:24:00,564 tracking and trailing old scents, 387 00:24:00,647 --> 00:24:02,649 finding human remains if they're trained for that, 388 00:24:02,732 --> 00:24:04,776 but they aren't always accurate. 389 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:09,197 And our office was skeptical of that particular dog team at the time. 390 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:12,868 There are about a dozen pedophile priests living on campus at a monastery 391 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,411 not far from where I'm standing. 392 00:24:14,494 --> 00:24:16,246 So far, nothing in this investigation 393 00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:19,249 has connected them with Guimond's disappearance. 394 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:27,257 [Lisa] I believe that if somebody did something to Joshua 395 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:30,552 that had any connection to that campus whatsoever, 396 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:32,554 we're never gonna find him ever. 397 00:24:32,637 --> 00:24:37,392 Not even a body. Ever. Because they're too secretive. 398 00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:40,729 [crowd singing choral music] 399 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:42,856 [reporter on TV] In the glow of the evening light… 400 00:24:42,939 --> 00:24:45,692 [singing continues] 401 00:24:45,775 --> 00:24:48,778 [Lisa] …I guess wondering if I'm ever gonna see him again or… 402 00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:51,031 or know what happened. 403 00:24:51,114 --> 00:24:55,368 [reporter] The sound of a family still hoping, still praying for something lost. 404 00:24:56,077 --> 00:24:57,579 Others have been found, 405 00:24:57,662 --> 00:24:59,956 the ones who disappeared around the same time. 406 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,920 Chris Jenkins, a U of M student, his body found in February of 2003. 407 00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:08,548 Michael Noll, a student from Wisconsin, his body found a month later. 408 00:25:09,716 --> 00:25:13,261 [Nick] Chris Jenkins and Michael Noll, both were found in the bodies of water 409 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,555 that they were near when they disappeared. 410 00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:18,225 [Steve] The other two college students' deaths 411 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:21,353 were determined to be not linked to Josh's disappearance. 412 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:23,438 [pensive music playing] 413 00:25:24,147 --> 00:25:27,609 [David] As those other students were located, 414 00:25:27,692 --> 00:25:31,238 it became even more ominous that Josh was still missing. 415 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,366 [Katie] Because both Chris Jenkins and Michael Noll 416 00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:35,825 were found in bodies of water, 417 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:38,119 it seemed like we would find Josh. 418 00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:40,705 [David] When the spring came around, 419 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:44,626 the theory was if Josh is in one of the lakes, 420 00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:49,047 the water will warm, the gases in the body will do their work, 421 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:50,173 and he'll float. 422 00:25:51,174 --> 00:25:53,218 And I remember interviewing Katie, 423 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:57,389 who said she didn't like to see the ice forming on the lakes 424 00:25:57,472 --> 00:26:00,475 because if he's there, that's gonna trap him. 425 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,352 She didn't like to see the ice melting 426 00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:05,480 because that might warm the water enough to have him float, 427 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,190 and she didn't want that either. 428 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:11,987 It was just a very stressful and tense time, just wondering like, 429 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:13,738 "Is today gonna be the day?" 430 00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:17,200 [David] In the spring, 431 00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,287 the Sheriff's Office started searching the waters right away, 432 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,038 and areas around waters, 433 00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:26,042 eventually diving multiple times in multiple bodies of water. 434 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:32,674 And I remember Brian was searching the lakes. 435 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,095 And he's out there in a kayak. 436 00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:44,811 And I just couldn't get over the thought that 437 00:26:44,894 --> 00:26:48,857 what if his body floated up right next to that kayak? 438 00:26:50,317 --> 00:26:52,068 I mean, what would you do as a father? 439 00:26:54,362 --> 00:26:56,406 [Brian] If their theory was right, 440 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:58,825 he should have been right there in the water. 441 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:03,413 We should've walked right there, and there he is. "Okay, end of story." 442 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,248 But that wasn't the case. 443 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:11,880 [Vic] When the Sheriff's Office got done with their search efforts, 444 00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,216 they concluded that Joshua was not in the water. 445 00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:19,971 When Joshua's body didn't surface… 446 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:24,517 there were so many theories about what could've happened to him. 447 00:27:25,518 --> 00:27:27,604 I think the most prevailing theory 448 00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,815 was probably that somebody that knew Josh or was close to Josh 449 00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:32,108 did something to Josh. 450 00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:35,195 Could be a friend. Could be a roommate. 451 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:40,241 [Andrew] During our investigation, one of Josh's roommates told us 452 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:44,120 that he'd heard an argument between Nick and Josh earlier that night 453 00:27:44,204 --> 00:27:45,830 before Josh went missing. 454 00:27:45,914 --> 00:27:48,124 And the argument involved Katie. 455 00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:51,586 Josh and I dated for about four and a half years, 456 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,298 but by our junior year of college, 457 00:27:55,382 --> 00:28:00,220 we decided to end our relationship, and Josh and I broke up. 458 00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:04,140 When Josh disappeared, we had only been broken up for a couple of months. 459 00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:08,687 [Dana] Right after Josh disappeared, there was a lot of speculation about 460 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,606 whether or not Nick and Katie were together, 461 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,608 if they were ever romantically involved, 462 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:18,279 if that was possibly a motive for some harm gone to Josh, 463 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:21,908 or was Josh upset about them getting together 464 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,785 after Josh and Katie broke up? 465 00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:29,666 I think Nick and I did have a level of attraction toward each other. 466 00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:32,210 He and I did consider dating. 467 00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:33,503 You know, we were close. 468 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:34,754 We discussed, you know, 469 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:38,174 "Do we wanna try to have some sort of relationship other than just friends?" 470 00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:41,136 But I wouldn't call it a romantic relationship with Katie. 471 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:44,806 I think we kissed one, maybe two times, and then we decided, "You know what?" 472 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:47,142 "This isn't a route we wanna go right now." 473 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:53,773 [Vic] Katie and Nick both mentioned in their statements to us 474 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:57,652 that they talked about Nick's desire to date Katie. 475 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,698 [Vic] Nick also drew our attention in the investigation 476 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:04,909 because his timeline of his whereabouts that evening 477 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,121 differed from Katie's original statement to us. 478 00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:13,168 Nick told us he left Katie's apartment at about 2:30. 479 00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:21,551 And keycard records on campus showed he keyed into his dorm room at 2:42 hours 480 00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,804 on the morning of the 10th of November. 481 00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:29,684 In a statement with Katie, she told us he left at 1:00 or 1:30. 482 00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:33,104 So you've got over an hour of unaccounted time there 483 00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,441 when the drive between both campuses is roughly seven to ten minutes, 484 00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:38,151 especially at that time of night. 485 00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:43,281 What he's telling us at that point did not match up with what Katie said. 486 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,911 [Vic] Nick was asked to take a polygraph by our office. 487 00:29:47,994 --> 00:29:50,872 Initially, he told us that he would consider, 488 00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:54,459 and when that polygraph examination was scheduled, he chose not to take it. 489 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:58,838 I told them, "No, because that's not gonna do anybody any good." 490 00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:01,007 "I don't want there to be some false positive 491 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:02,759 because they're simply not reliable." 492 00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:06,221 There was a reason they're inadmissible in court. 493 00:30:07,764 --> 00:30:11,351 I don't think it's necessarily abnormal or very strange 494 00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:14,187 that someone in that capacity wouldn't take it. 495 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,690 The fact that he then declined it and canceled after the fact is… 496 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,860 is a detail that we must consider. 497 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:26,366 I don't believe I was directly told that I was a suspect or person of interest. 498 00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:29,285 I had nothing to do with Josh's disappearance, 499 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:32,163 and all I could think was, "They're not going in the right direction 500 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:35,792 because this is the one direction I can say with certainty is the wrong one." 501 00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:40,296 [Katie] I never gave that theory much credence. 502 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:43,967 And I was thinking if they keep looking at Nick, 503 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:48,388 if they keep viewing him as a suspect, and as their primary suspect, 504 00:30:48,471 --> 00:30:51,933 and if they're not looking anywhere else, we're never gonna find Josh. 505 00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:54,894 [somber music playing] 506 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,898 My initial thought is that it was some kind of an accident. 507 00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:03,403 And somebody who was involved maybe tried to cover it up 508 00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,905 to avoid any kind of potential consequences. 509 00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,201 [rock music playing] 510 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,790 [David] Early on, I felt like there were some people at the party 511 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,043 who had seen him right before he disappeared, 512 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,837 that I just got this sense that, 513 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,257 "Are they telling me the whole truth, the full truth?" You know? 514 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:28,094 Or is there something that's not flattering, 515 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:31,681 that's maybe embarrassing that happened that they just don't want anyone to know, 516 00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:34,767 that they just… are never gonna tell anybody? 517 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,229 That always stuck in the back of my head. 518 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,441 [Vic] They're kids with goals and aspirations. 519 00:31:41,524 --> 00:31:43,568 They've got their whole life in front of them. 520 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:46,404 If they know something or something happened, 521 00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:49,240 they have a future to protect. 522 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:53,411 So it could be a motivation to hide or conceal something. 523 00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:56,623 But if something happened at the party, 524 00:31:56,706 --> 00:32:01,294 I don't think it's possible to keep ten or 12 kids silent on it. 525 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:09,218 [Lisa] I believe the kids at the party know more than they say. 526 00:32:10,094 --> 00:32:12,680 For them to say, "Josh just got up 527 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:15,391 and said he was going to the bathroom and never came back." 528 00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,937 And nobody wondered where he was. 529 00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:21,314 It doesn't make any sense to me. 530 00:32:21,397 --> 00:32:23,358 There's more to it than what they're saying. 531 00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:29,405 [dark music playing] 532 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:34,786 [Andrew] In the days that followed the investigation into where Josh went, 533 00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,997 the investigators were still looking at additional physical evidence. 534 00:32:38,915 --> 00:32:41,292 [Vic] After that initial search, 535 00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:45,088 our office didn't remove the computer or the hard drive or anything 536 00:32:45,171 --> 00:32:47,173 from Joshua's room. 537 00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:50,051 At the time, they didn't have any reason to believe that 538 00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:52,011 the computer would yield any information 539 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:55,181 based on the direction they were going with that early investigation. 540 00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:59,352 So we got access to the computer from Brian, and we were able to see 541 00:32:59,435 --> 00:33:02,563 that somebody had used an Internet washer on Joshua's computer 542 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,607 several days after his disappearance. 543 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:08,903 [Andrew] The Internet washing program in 2002 544 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,490 was a program that was able to be installed from the Internet 545 00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:15,660 onto the device, which then would allow some files 546 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:17,495 to either be deleted temporarily 547 00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:20,415 or deleted permanently from the hard drive of a computer. 548 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,041 This Internet washer 549 00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,919 was something that had not been done previously on this computer. 550 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,296 It was obviously suspicious for us 551 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:30,508 and something that we wanted to make sure we shed some more light on. 552 00:33:30,591 --> 00:33:33,803 It was not normal for Josh's use on the computer. 553 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,348 [Lisa] After Josh disappeared, 554 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:39,475 they didn't close his room off or anything. 555 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,853 So anybody could go in and out. 556 00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:46,774 So Brian made the decision to get all his stuff out of there 557 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,194 within I think it was two weeks of Josh being missing. 558 00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:56,576 [Brian] All the kids in that apartment could have had access to his computer 559 00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:58,453 and anything else. 560 00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:04,000 [Nick] I was careful not to do anything on his computer, 561 00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:05,960 and I didn't wanna disturb anything, 562 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,421 because it struck me as something that may be significant, 563 00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:10,590 and I was not going to be messing around with it. 564 00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:14,761 [David] It does seem odd that within days after someone goes missing, 565 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:16,554 someone other than the missing person 566 00:34:16,637 --> 00:34:19,015 goes onto their computer and deletes files. 567 00:34:19,098 --> 00:34:21,726 But we don't know who, and we don't know what the files were. 568 00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:25,605 So you just felt like there was more to that computer. 569 00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:32,987 We did everything together. We went to college together. 570 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,406 We started the next chapter of our life together, 571 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,367 and I guess I just assumed that it would be the same when we graduated. 572 00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:42,163 [Katie] It took me a long time to realize and accept 573 00:34:42,246 --> 00:34:44,749 that Josh was actually a missing person. 574 00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:48,002 I kept expecting him to be at class 575 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:51,923 or to show up at mock trial or just to… to just be back at campus. 576 00:34:52,006 --> 00:34:56,427 [voice breaking] It took me a long time to really accept that he might not come back. 577 00:34:57,303 --> 00:35:01,224 [crying] He was my best friend, and up here on campus, he was my family. 578 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,354 [Nick] I still remember graduation in 2003. 579 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:10,108 It was, for most of the people there, obviously, they're really happy. 580 00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:12,944 It's a joyous day. I felt none of that. 581 00:35:13,027 --> 00:35:14,695 I just wanted to be done. 582 00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:17,824 [Katie crying] I missed him so much. 583 00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:21,244 It was like I lost a part of myself. 584 00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:23,454 We were really close, and… 585 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:27,792 I felt a little lost without him. 586 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:30,837 [news jingle playing] 587 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,715 It's been five years since a St. John's student was last seen. 588 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:37,093 No one knows exactly what happened to Josh Guimond. 589 00:35:37,176 --> 00:35:40,221 Still, his family and friends hope for his return. 590 00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:41,681 It's worse now. 591 00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:44,016 It's worse because, you know, it's like this is the day 592 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,477 that marks the fifth year that he's been gone, 593 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:50,064 and we have no idea what happened, where he is. 594 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,907 [Vic] When we looked at this case and didn't have any specific thing 595 00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,660 directing us to what happened, 596 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:06,038 almost everything was considered. 597 00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:10,293 And specifically in 2008, 598 00:36:10,376 --> 00:36:12,920 the thing that I began looking at was Josh's computer. 599 00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,301 Different people have looked at the actual original hard drive. 600 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,220 But in 2008, 601 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:24,640 additional technology started giving me 602 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:28,144 some new investigative things to look at, 603 00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:29,604 some different possibilities. 604 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:33,191 I took that hard drive to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, 605 00:36:33,274 --> 00:36:34,734 set it up in their lab. 606 00:36:34,817 --> 00:36:36,777 And since that time, 607 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,281 that computer really has been the most central part of the investigation. 608 00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:42,867 We learned the Internet washer 609 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:45,953 that we found on Joshua's computer in 2002 610 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:50,082 would only delete browser history, cookies, things of that nature. 611 00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,585 It wouldn't wipe out a ton of data. 612 00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:56,339 So we still had the vast majority of the contents of the computer. 613 00:36:56,422 --> 00:37:00,134 We looked at his emails, which was pretty mundane, normal stuff 614 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:03,763 that you would expect to see on a college kid's computer. 615 00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:04,847 Um… 616 00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,891 The things that started to pique my interest 617 00:37:06,974 --> 00:37:10,061 that this could be a key to solving the case 618 00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:14,565 were he was spending time on Yahoo! Personals. 619 00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:19,153 [Andrew] We identified three different profiles 620 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,447 that we believe were used by Josh. 621 00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:25,618 One of which has part of his name and a zip code for the area he lived. 622 00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:29,914 And then two other ones portray himself as a female. 623 00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:33,960 One is "CoochieCoo2002" and the other one is "GwenGirlBigJugs." 624 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,713 We know with follow-up with the individuals later on 625 00:37:37,797 --> 00:37:42,468 that he was chatting online with men and portraying himself as a female. 626 00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:45,346 [Vic] The examination of Joshua's computer 627 00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:47,473 leads me to believe he might have had some secrets 628 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:48,975 he didn't wanna share with people. 629 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:50,977 Some of the things that were on his computer 630 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,687 would lead you to believe that maybe 631 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,940 he was looking for casual encounters of some kind, 632 00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:59,610 trying to meet people online that he didn't necessarily share with anyone. 633 00:38:00,695 --> 00:38:03,322 He might have been exploring his sexuality, 634 00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:06,200 but at the same time, the pornography that he looked at 635 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:12,707 and had on his computer ranged from heterosexual to homosexual pornography. 636 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:16,919 And nobody that we interviewed really had any belief or information 637 00:38:17,003 --> 00:38:20,089 or any indication that he was homosexual or transgender. 638 00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:25,052 I don't think Josh was gay. I never got that impression from him. 639 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:27,722 I wasn't aware of him exploring anything like that 640 00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:30,182 while we were together when I knew him. 641 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:33,686 I never saw any sign that he was gay. 642 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,981 So that would surprise me considerably. 643 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:44,947 [David] From looking at that account, your mind kind of wanders. 644 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,450 What would you do if you were the person interacting 645 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:51,329 with the profile he set up, and you found out you were talking to 646 00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:55,082 a 20-year-old male college student at St. John's? 647 00:38:56,167 --> 00:39:00,087 What would that cause someone to do if they found that out? 648 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:01,881 Certainly would be embarrassing. 649 00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:06,344 Would it drive you to the point of saying, "I wanna find out who did that"? 650 00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:10,222 "I wanna go meet that person. Do I wanna go do harm to that person?" 651 00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:13,601 I don't know what it would cause people to think. That crossed my mind. 652 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:18,773 [Andrew] One of the theories is that Josh potentially met someone 653 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,566 on an instant messaging chat site, 654 00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:24,070 ended up chatting with them ahead of time to line up maybe some sort of meet-up, 655 00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,530 which could explain why he left in the middle of the night. 656 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:28,991 [menacing music playing] 657 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:32,578 Maybe meeting with someone that he maybe didn't fully know, 658 00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:34,455 and something happened to him. 659 00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:43,589 So we looked at the St. John's Life Safety incident reports that they had back then. 660 00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:47,885 Life Safety Services is the name for the security staff on campus. 661 00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:51,389 So we're just looking for any complaints about suspicious activity, 662 00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:54,225 just to look for suspicious vehicles, suspicious people, 663 00:39:54,308 --> 00:39:58,187 and people on campus that were not affiliated with the campus in any way. 664 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:01,607 And there was two incident reports that really piqued my interest. 665 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,735 In both of those instances, 666 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:09,031 there was a vehicle that Life Safety Services had seen 667 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:13,619 in various different places on campus on two different nights in 2002, 668 00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:15,663 prior to Joshua's disappearance. 669 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:21,710 There are several other areas on campus that are dark, not well lit, 670 00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:23,838 little more remote on the outskirts of campus 671 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,215 that aren't used typically at night, 672 00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:30,636 that people would frequent for meetings or hookups. 673 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:34,765 The places the car was seen were consistent 674 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:36,684 with that kind of hookup area. 675 00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,480 [Andrew] Campus security stated in the incident reports 676 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,732 that when they drove up to the vehicle, 677 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,987 they noticed a college-aged male 678 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:53,742 get out of the front passenger seat and run off into the darkness. 679 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:55,870 Life Safety, in their first report, 680 00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:59,874 detailed that the person that took off running was a college-aged male. 681 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,751 They weren't able to tell much more than that. 682 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,003 But in the second report, 683 00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:08,257 Life Safety was able to speak with another college-aged male 684 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,718 who was in the front passenger seat of that vehicle. 685 00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:13,053 Life Safety detailed in both reports 686 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,389 that the passenger in the front passenger seat 687 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,391 was not identified in either case. 688 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:19,477 [ominous music playing] 689 00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:25,065 The incident reports specifically state what the vehicle was, 690 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:28,194 and they described it as an orange Pontiac Sunfire. 691 00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:34,867 [Vic] They had obtained a license plate number, a vehicle description, 692 00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:38,412 and in one instance, had stopped and spoken with this individual. 693 00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:43,417 He told them he was dropping off a student on campus. 694 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,048 We have been in contact with the individual from the incident reports, 695 00:41:49,131 --> 00:41:52,468 and he provided us the same explanation that he did at the time, 696 00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:55,971 was that he was dropping off a student from another campus. 697 00:41:57,848 --> 00:42:00,726 And we had an interest in finding the vehicle 698 00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:02,728 to see if there would be forensic evidence 699 00:42:02,811 --> 00:42:06,482 indicating whether this individual had any contact with Joshua. 700 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:11,695 Unfortunately, it's not available to us because that vehicle has been crushed. 701 00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:16,784 We would like to identify the student he was with. 702 00:42:17,868 --> 00:42:21,247 And ask how they met this individual, what the purpose of the meeting was, 703 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,334 just to see if it's in any way related to Joshua's disappearance. 704 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:27,670 If this person is frequenting the campus, 705 00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:31,382 we wanna know if he had any encounters or interactions with Joshua. 706 00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:36,345 [Andrew] But also, our Sheriff's Office is interested in speaking with anybody 707 00:42:36,428 --> 00:42:41,100 who had contact with this male individual in a Pontiac Sunfire, orange in color, 708 00:42:41,183 --> 00:42:44,270 or any other person who might have come on campus 709 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,564 for whatever reason at that time. 710 00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:49,858 Investigators have reviewed some of the identified male photos 711 00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:52,486 from Josh's Yahoo! user account, 712 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:57,366 and that individual in a Pontiac Sunfire was not found to match any of those. 713 00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:01,412 [Vic] I do think that Joshua's computer activity, 714 00:43:01,495 --> 00:43:03,789 and specifically being on Yahoo! Personals, 715 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,375 might have contributed to his disappearance. 716 00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:11,171 It seems probable he was on a dating site or trying to meet people, 717 00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:16,135 and I think it's probably our most likely avenue or theory. 718 00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:21,140 When we imaged the hard drive, we saw a lot of different images, 719 00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:24,852 and some of them are directly linked to his Yahoo! Personals site. 720 00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:29,273 We have quite a few photos we would like the public's help in identifying 721 00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:31,108 so we can go out and speak to these people 722 00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,569 to see if they have any connection to Joshua at all, 723 00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:35,279 if they've ever met Joshua, 724 00:43:35,362 --> 00:43:38,991 and why they might appear on his computer hard drive. 725 00:43:42,661 --> 00:43:44,663 [gentle music playing] 726 00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,544 [Vic] I hung Joshua's photo on the wall 727 00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:52,921 for everybody that's coming through this office because… 728 00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:56,258 we still have this unsolved case. 729 00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:03,057 And we have to have that constant daily reminder that it's there 730 00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:04,475 so it's not forgotten. 731 00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:09,313 [voice breaking] It's important to me personally. 732 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:16,779 Disappointment in this case is… 733 00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:22,743 [Joshua on video] The road ahead is a long and difficult one. 734 00:44:23,702 --> 00:44:26,705 Fortunately, we've been very well equipped 735 00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:29,333 to celebrate the conclusion 736 00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:34,171 of the last chapter of the first volume of our lives. 737 00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:38,801 Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that we would be 20 years later 738 00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:41,512 and still have no idea what happened to him. 739 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:46,183 [Brian] Josh'd be 39 now, 740 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:49,728 and I would assume he would… 741 00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:52,398 be a lawyer if not a senator already. 742 00:44:52,481 --> 00:44:53,524 [laughs] 743 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,736 [Nick] He was gonna go to some elite law school, maybe Yale, 744 00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:01,031 and then come back to his hometown of Maple Lake, open up his law practice. 745 00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:03,784 [Dana] Josh would be the President of the United States right now 746 00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:05,160 if he hadn't disappeared. 747 00:45:05,244 --> 00:45:07,579 If not president, on his way to being president. 748 00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:10,541 [Lisa] I always told Josh, 749 00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,795 "When you grow up, in your big political career, 750 00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:15,796 just remember, 751 00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:19,717 I'm living in the West Wing of the mansion, 752 00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:26,056 and you're building your father a cabin way up north in the woods." 753 00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:30,018 And he said, "I'll do that for you, Mom." 754 00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:36,358 [Dana] I think Josh probably had secrets. 755 00:45:36,442 --> 00:45:39,987 Maybe they got him killed. I don't know. 756 00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:43,699 I wish that whoever knew those secrets would come forward. 757 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:45,617 Bring 'em to light. 758 00:45:47,327 --> 00:45:49,329 [gentle music continues] 759 00:45:50,038 --> 00:45:51,373 [Lisa] He's our son. 760 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:55,627 We wanna know what happened to him. We love him. 761 00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:58,589 It doesn't make any difference. He's… 762 00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:00,132 He's my son. 763 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,902 [sinister music playing] 764 00:46:21,487 --> 00:46:26,450 I remember my mom having dreams about some weird guy and some lady. 765 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:29,161 [woman 1] I could see a dungeon, 766 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:33,749 and they're doing sadistic and weird things to this girl. 767 00:46:34,416 --> 00:46:39,546 I feel like her spirit was trying to get in touch with someone. 768 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,423 I think she wants to be found. 769 00:46:42,132 --> 00:46:45,385 [man 1] How did the boat get out that far? What happened that day? 770 00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:48,138 [man 2] He clearly wasn't killed in that boat. 771 00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,224 There's zero biological evidence in there. 772 00:46:50,307 --> 00:46:53,227 This was not a suicide. This is a murder. 773 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,439 [woman 2] The entire place was cleaned. They were just gone. 774 00:46:57,523 --> 00:47:00,317 There's nothing left. There is no playbook for kidnapping. 775 00:47:05,948 --> 00:47:07,950 [mysterious music playing]