1 00:00:07,298 --> 00:00:09,300 [cassette tape rattling] 2 00:00:11,094 --> 00:00:12,887 [phone ringing on recording] 3 00:00:12,971 --> 00:00:14,681 [dispatch on recording] Central Dispatch. 4 00:00:14,764 --> 00:00:17,851 [Jack Bushong] Yeah, this is, um, the National Weather Service of Muskegon. 5 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:19,144 I was calling to make sure 6 00:00:19,227 --> 00:00:21,855 that the person that called me was not a hoax. 7 00:00:21,938 --> 00:00:23,648 [dispatch] He was one of our dispatchers. 8 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:27,152 We've been chasing lights down… all over down that way. 9 00:00:27,235 --> 00:00:29,487 -[Jack] What do they look like? -I don't know. 10 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:30,905 We got a report of 11 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:34,325 something going through the air with lights on it horizontally. 12 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:37,746 Three to four lights… 13 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:44,085 going at a high rate of speed up and down and all over the sky. 14 00:00:47,672 --> 00:00:49,340 [Jack] What did I see that night? 15 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:54,220 What did I see going 72,000 miles per hour at least? 16 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:55,972 [eerie humming] 17 00:00:57,098 --> 00:00:59,392 [Jack] This is tough for a scientist to admit, 18 00:00:59,476 --> 00:01:02,937 and so I'm just gonna have to say… 19 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:08,568 the way they acted, even though intelligent, 20 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,154 they didn't act human. 21 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:13,239 [mysterious music playing] 22 00:01:57,534 --> 00:01:59,911 [Jack] When I was a kid, people made fun of me. 23 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,666 They used to say, "It could only happen to Jack." 24 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:09,838 I was like the epitome of coincidences. 25 00:02:09,921 --> 00:02:11,214 And strange ones. 26 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,349 I grew up in Muskegon, which is in West Michigan, 27 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:23,560 and it's a beautiful area. 28 00:02:23,643 --> 00:02:25,562 You got the four seasons. 29 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:31,860 So this was my childhood home right here. 30 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:38,032 I can remember standing right out front being three and four years old, 31 00:02:38,116 --> 00:02:40,618 being very curious about the world. 32 00:02:41,536 --> 00:02:44,205 You know, even as far back as I can remember, 33 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:48,042 I was very interested in astronomy and science, 34 00:02:48,126 --> 00:02:50,086 and then, of course, weather too. 35 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:55,884 I started learning how to read weather maps 36 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:58,011 at about five, six years old. 37 00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:02,599 My parents lived on Lake Michigan. 38 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:06,227 I could see the storms rolling across Lake Michigan. 39 00:03:06,811 --> 00:03:11,274 And that's how I learned that I wanted to be a meteorologist 40 00:03:11,357 --> 00:03:13,359 ever since I was six years old. 41 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:20,783 On March 8th, 1994, I was 29 going on 30. 42 00:03:21,367 --> 00:03:25,496 I had been at the Muskegon National Weather Service 43 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:27,749 for three years at that point. 44 00:03:30,668 --> 00:03:33,963 I was the 4:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. shift, 45 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:38,051 and I was alone on duty for the night, which is not unusual. 46 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:41,346 Temperatures were around 20 degrees. 47 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:45,642 It was a light wind, and we had very good visibility. 48 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:48,811 Probably easily 80 miles. 49 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,691 I wasn't expecting that there was gonna be anything going on that night 50 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,319 because there was nothing going on weather-wise. 51 00:03:56,402 --> 00:03:58,988 It was a very fair, clear, cold night. 52 00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:07,705 [expectant music playing softly] 53 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,587 [Cindy Pravda] That night it was very clear. 54 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:20,301 I was in the kitchen talking to my friend Edna. 55 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:23,763 And we had a corded phone at the time. 56 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:27,684 And I like to pace when I'm on the phone. 57 00:04:28,434 --> 00:04:33,022 My husband was in the basement watching TV downstairs on the couch. 58 00:04:34,023 --> 00:04:36,025 [eerie humming] 59 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,490 [faint warbling] 60 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:54,127 It was about nine o'clock at night. 61 00:04:57,547 --> 00:04:59,549 [eerie music playing] 62 00:05:03,261 --> 00:05:05,263 And I walked to my kitchen window. 63 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:08,016 That's when I saw the lights. 64 00:05:08,599 --> 00:05:11,686 And the glow of the light that was outside, 65 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:12,770 it was so bright 66 00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:15,690 that I thought that it was a huge full moon. 67 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:18,151 I did a double take. 68 00:05:18,234 --> 00:05:21,571 No, I saw four lights. "That can't be a full moon." 69 00:05:22,572 --> 00:05:26,075 So I said, "Edna, I think there's a UFO in my backyard." 70 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:30,580 The lights were in a straight line. 71 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,082 [eerie music continues] 72 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:34,500 They were stationary. 73 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,587 They were just above our tree line in our pasture. 74 00:05:38,796 --> 00:05:40,923 The one to the far left 75 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:44,552 moved slowly across the tree line. 76 00:05:45,636 --> 00:05:48,848 Then slowly came back into formation again. 77 00:05:50,058 --> 00:05:53,895 And the other one to the far right, would be to the west, 78 00:05:54,604 --> 00:05:56,439 was starting to slowly move. 79 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:01,110 Then it was gone. It was just gone in a flash. 80 00:06:02,111 --> 00:06:03,946 So then I'm left with three. 81 00:06:06,699 --> 00:06:09,911 I never saw a ship or ships. 82 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:13,623 The lights were so bright, I could never see beyond them. 83 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:27,303 I watched them totally for about a half hour. 84 00:06:29,013 --> 00:06:30,973 I wish I had a camera back then. 85 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:34,143 We didn't have cell phones that could take a picture. 86 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:44,487 What surprised me most was there was no sound from the UFO. 87 00:06:46,322 --> 00:06:48,282 My horse was out in the field, 88 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:53,079 and she was grazing and nodding off. 89 00:06:53,579 --> 00:06:56,249 She didn't even know they were above her head. 90 00:06:57,333 --> 00:06:58,793 [Holly Graves] Not a sound. 91 00:06:59,377 --> 00:07:01,754 That's the thing that stands out the most to me. 92 00:07:02,338 --> 00:07:03,506 Dead silent. 93 00:07:20,773 --> 00:07:24,402 In 1994, I was married, 94 00:07:24,485 --> 00:07:26,279 my daughter was ten, 95 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:28,698 and my son was 14. 96 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:33,911 My husband Daryl and I had retired to bed, and the kids were in the living room. 97 00:07:55,141 --> 00:07:57,643 Joey started screaming. 98 00:07:57,727 --> 00:08:01,397 Just, you know, "You gotta see this. Come in here. You gotta see this." 99 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:05,359 Our whole living room was like a spotlight. 100 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:06,611 It was so bright. 101 00:08:10,114 --> 00:08:12,116 [phone line ringing] 102 00:08:13,743 --> 00:08:15,161 [dispatch on recording] 911. 103 00:08:15,244 --> 00:08:16,704 [Holly] Um, we were just wondering. 104 00:08:16,787 --> 00:08:20,833 Have you heard anything about these lights that are flickering up here? 105 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:23,044 It's like a group. 106 00:08:23,127 --> 00:08:26,255 It looks like a string of Christmas lights that's way up in the sky. 107 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,508 -[kids clamoring on recording] -[dispatch] No, ma'am. 108 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:30,551 [Holly] And we wondered if you'd heard about it. 109 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:31,594 [dispatch] Not a thing. 110 00:08:31,677 --> 00:08:33,679 [Holly] You might wanna have someone take a look. 111 00:08:33,763 --> 00:08:36,641 It's different. I've never seen anything like this. 112 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:42,355 I don't know. It's strange, but it's right out east, southeast. 113 00:08:42,438 --> 00:08:43,564 It's way up. 114 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:49,153 You can hear my kids screaming in the background on the 911 tape. 115 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,533 So my husband, Daryl, said, "Let's go outside." 116 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:00,373 And this thing is roughly 300 feet. 117 00:09:01,874 --> 00:09:04,126 It was right across the street, 118 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:05,920 and it wasn't doing anything 119 00:09:06,003 --> 00:09:09,215 but going as slow as it possibly could. 120 00:09:11,008 --> 00:09:12,885 It was not like a plane. 121 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:15,012 It was not like a blimp. 122 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:18,391 It was not like anything I've ever seen. 123 00:09:18,474 --> 00:09:22,061 It was, I said, of a chrome material. 124 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:25,314 It was a cylinder shape. 125 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:30,027 And they were going around in a circle. 126 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:33,114 Saw no windows, anything like that. 127 00:09:33,197 --> 00:09:35,408 And it had lights coming out of the bottom. 128 00:09:37,827 --> 00:09:39,996 [Holly on recording] It's just like a circle 129 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:42,373 of a lot of different lights flickering. 130 00:09:44,375 --> 00:09:46,836 I said to Daryl, "What is that?" 131 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:49,380 And 132 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:52,383 he said, "Holly, it's a UFO." 133 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,468 [sinister music playing] 134 00:09:57,096 --> 00:09:58,973 [Holly] We stood out there for about, 135 00:09:59,056 --> 00:10:03,227 I wanna say 15, 20 minutes before Officer Velthouse got there. 136 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,313 [siren blaring faintly] 137 00:10:06,897 --> 00:10:09,609 [Jeffrey Velthouse] I was in my patrol vehicle 138 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:13,195 when I received a 911 call 139 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:17,825 to respond to the residence of Holly Graves and her family. 140 00:10:18,909 --> 00:10:22,288 My thought on UFOs was "skeptical." 141 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:28,127 I was trying to think of any kind of explainable situation 142 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:29,170 that was going on, 143 00:10:29,253 --> 00:10:34,467 whether it was somebody shining lights or maybe something was on fire. 144 00:10:35,593 --> 00:10:40,056 I was met outside by Holly Graves and her husband. 145 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:48,439 I saw two lights, 146 00:10:48,522 --> 00:10:52,360 and they were both moving in a southwest direction. 147 00:10:52,443 --> 00:10:57,865 They were consistent with the flight maybe of an aircraft of some sort. 148 00:10:57,948 --> 00:10:59,700 They were that high in the sky. 149 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:04,038 The lights went from white to green, 150 00:11:04,121 --> 00:11:06,040 and they were fairly close together. 151 00:11:06,123 --> 00:11:09,460 -[eerie music playing] -[Jeffrey] As I watched them, 152 00:11:09,543 --> 00:11:11,671 the one light caught my attention, 153 00:11:11,754 --> 00:11:15,800 and it moved from the other light in a quick manner, 154 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:17,760 and then kept going southwest. 155 00:11:17,843 --> 00:11:19,845 That was noticeable to me. 156 00:11:19,929 --> 00:11:23,432 Different than any normal aircraft that I've seen. 157 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:26,102 [Holly] And Officer Velthouse and my husband 158 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:30,231 stood in the front yard for another ten minutes or so. 159 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:33,484 And then Officer Velthouse left. 160 00:11:36,612 --> 00:11:39,573 At that point, I heard Daryl scream. 161 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:44,036 He said it just, bam, broke up into five… 162 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:47,164 before it disappeared. 163 00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:52,795 [ominous music playing] 164 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,968 [Jeffrey] As I was trying to follow the lights, 165 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:00,803 we were getting more calls 166 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:03,848 through Ottawa County Central Dispatch. 167 00:12:03,931 --> 00:12:05,349 [radio tuning] 168 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:06,726 [dispatch on recording] 911. 169 00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:10,062 [caller 1] There's four or five lights, and they're all flashing right in a row 170 00:12:10,146 --> 00:12:11,939 from the top all the way down to the bottom. 171 00:12:12,022 --> 00:12:14,233 -[dispatch] Uh-huh. -[caller 1] It took off real fast. 172 00:12:14,942 --> 00:12:17,820 [caller 2] There was four lights, and they were blinking back and forth. 173 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:20,948 And there's no way… I mean, a plane is not that wide. 174 00:12:21,031 --> 00:12:23,617 And then it started… And then it went down to three lights. 175 00:12:23,701 --> 00:12:27,663 And then it started to turn around. Like, I mean, it was a circular motion. 176 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:31,083 Then it started going up and down, and then it went to two lights 177 00:12:31,167 --> 00:12:32,293 and did the same thing. 178 00:12:32,376 --> 00:12:34,628 And now it's one, and it's spinning in a circle. 179 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:36,797 They're just kinda hanging there. 180 00:12:36,881 --> 00:12:39,300 They came up as a group, then they kind of split. 181 00:12:39,383 --> 00:12:41,135 [intriguing music playing] 182 00:12:43,137 --> 00:12:46,932 [Jeffrey] I contacted the Ottawa County central dispatcher 183 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:49,727 to try and locate a radar service 184 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:52,605 to determine what it was that people were reporting. 185 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:57,735 And he, in turn, contacted the Muskegon Weather Service. 186 00:12:58,235 --> 00:12:59,904 [phone ringing] 187 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:04,366 [Jack on recording] Weather Service. Muskegon. 188 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:06,327 [Jack] Around 10:00 p.m. that night, 189 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:10,331 I got a phone call from the Ottawa County 911 Dispatch. 190 00:13:10,414 --> 00:13:13,334 [dispatch] Hi, Muskegon. This is Ottawa County 911 calling. 191 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:14,543 [Jack] Yeah, how you doing? 192 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:17,505 [dispatch] Good. You guys have access to a radar there, don't ya? 193 00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:18,964 -[Jack] Yes, we do. -You do. 194 00:13:19,048 --> 00:13:22,593 You getting anything weird down in the Southern Ottawa County area? 195 00:13:22,676 --> 00:13:25,638 The reason I ask is we're getting a whole bunch of calls 196 00:13:25,721 --> 00:13:27,515 of some strange lights 197 00:13:27,598 --> 00:13:30,518 in the Southern Ottawa, Northern Allegan County 198 00:13:30,601 --> 00:13:32,478 right near Holland City area. 199 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:34,021 -[Jack] Strange lights? -Yeah. 200 00:13:34,104 --> 00:13:36,148 We've had about 60 UFO calls. 201 00:13:36,232 --> 00:13:37,483 [Jack] Oh jeez! Okay. 202 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:39,985 [dispatch] I'm sitting here going, "No, come on." 203 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:41,821 "There's gotta be something more to this." 204 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:42,905 [Jack] Yeah. 205 00:13:44,198 --> 00:13:49,203 When he said something about UFOs are being seen across the skies, 206 00:13:49,286 --> 00:13:50,371 I thought, "Oh boy." 207 00:13:50,454 --> 00:13:52,957 You know, a lot of people are drinking out tonight. 208 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:58,087 But I was not going to say, just blow them off and say, 209 00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:00,089 "No, I can't see something like that." 210 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:03,801 I was gonna take a look. I was actually interested myself. 211 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:08,848 As a radar operator, we had to learn… 212 00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:14,061 not just learning how to look at atmospheric phenomena on the radar 213 00:14:14,144 --> 00:14:16,355 but how the radar actually works, 214 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:18,858 and what can actually fool the radar. 215 00:14:18,941 --> 00:14:21,026 So we're rigorously trained 216 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:23,946 because we're putting out severe weather warnings 217 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:27,908 and tornado warnings based on what we see with the radar. 218 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:30,369 [Jack on recording] I'm looking at it in the vertical now, 219 00:14:30,452 --> 00:14:32,705 and there's a large return down there. 220 00:14:33,455 --> 00:14:35,249 It's up about maybe… 221 00:14:35,332 --> 00:14:38,502 Oh, now it disappeared, but it was up about 6,000 feet. 222 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:42,381 It could have been a plane, but it was pretty big. Wait a minute. 223 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:47,845 And I assumed it was an aircraft at about 6,000 feet, 224 00:14:47,928 --> 00:14:49,263 which was not unusual. 225 00:14:49,346 --> 00:14:52,099 It was moving at around 100 miles an hour, 226 00:14:52,182 --> 00:14:54,059 which again was not unusual. 227 00:14:54,643 --> 00:14:58,397 Now to find an aircraft in the dark like this 228 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,859 would be like being in the basement, and you have a flashlight, 229 00:15:01,942 --> 00:15:04,820 and you're looking for that fly that's flying around, 230 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,989 and you only have that focused beam. 231 00:15:07,072 --> 00:15:09,700 And once, you might be able to catch it, 232 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:12,786 might be able to follow it, but a lot of times, you could lose it. 233 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:14,455 [Jack] Oh, it moved. Let's see. 234 00:15:14,538 --> 00:15:17,875 There's something big down there. Wait a minute. That's really strange. 235 00:15:19,043 --> 00:15:20,878 Yeah, right down near South Haven. 236 00:15:20,961 --> 00:15:25,215 Okay, it's moving towards the west-southwest, 237 00:15:26,216 --> 00:15:28,135 and it looks like a big blob. 238 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,138 [dispatch] Yeah, that's the way it was explained to us. 239 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:32,806 Hmm. This is weird. 240 00:15:33,307 --> 00:15:35,351 [Jack] Looks like it's steady right now. 241 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:39,772 For a brief moment of about 15 seconds, 242 00:15:39,855 --> 00:15:43,776 it just stopped and hovered, which is highly unusual. 243 00:15:44,735 --> 00:15:47,488 So, right away, I knew something was not right. 244 00:15:47,571 --> 00:15:48,405 Either it was… 245 00:15:48,489 --> 00:15:49,740 At that point, I thought, 246 00:15:49,823 --> 00:15:52,952 "Okay, it could be a blimp, a balloon, or something like that." 247 00:15:54,578 --> 00:15:57,915 But to be flying at night in the dead of winter 248 00:15:57,998 --> 00:15:59,708 was highly unusual too. 249 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:02,211 [Jack on recording] It's gone up. 250 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:06,423 I'm getting it now at, um, at about 12,000 feet. 251 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:08,217 [dispatch] Huh. 252 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:12,262 You know, after that, it seemed like everything just went crazy. 253 00:16:13,389 --> 00:16:15,224 [Jack] Oh my God! What is this? 254 00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:17,601 [dispatch] They were going together and coming apart. 255 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:20,354 [Jack] Yeah, they're… Well, it's… There's three. 256 00:16:20,437 --> 00:16:25,067 They're separated by about… Looks like about 5,000 feet in height. 257 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:25,985 [dispatch] Hmm. 258 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,945 [Jack] They're very strong returns. 259 00:16:28,028 --> 00:16:30,906 I mean, they're spiking, so there's something pretty solid. 260 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:34,201 It's not precipitation or anything, especially up at that height. 261 00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:36,704 In all aspects, 262 00:16:36,787 --> 00:16:41,208 the objects looked like an aircraft. 263 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:44,128 It just did not act like an aircraft. 264 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:46,005 We know it was solid. 265 00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:47,423 It was smooth. 266 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:50,259 It seemed extremely reflective. 267 00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:52,761 Very high-polished metal. 268 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:53,929 We can detect that 269 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,224 by the amount of energy coming back in the echo. 270 00:16:58,058 --> 00:16:59,685 [siren blaring] 271 00:17:00,602 --> 00:17:03,230 [dispatch] An officer in Holland City just sent me a message. 272 00:17:03,313 --> 00:17:05,566 He says, you know, "Can you identify anything further?" 273 00:17:05,649 --> 00:17:07,651 He says, "Looks like three to four of 'em." 274 00:17:07,735 --> 00:17:11,405 [Jack] I'm seeing three, but they look like a triangle on my scope. 275 00:17:11,488 --> 00:17:14,283 [dispatch] This is strange, yeah, 'cause the officer says it's, uh, 276 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:17,536 "Green and red lights." It does not look like an airplane. 277 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,580 They come together, and then they separate. 278 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,041 And they just keep doing this all the time. 279 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:25,419 [Jack] These are huge returns. I've never seen anything like this. 280 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:29,256 Not even when I'm doing storms. These aren't storms. They're like… 281 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,508 They're just poppin' up all over the place. 282 00:17:36,805 --> 00:17:40,392 [Jack] The northernmost one would jump 20 miles, hover. 283 00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:44,229 The other two would jump 20 miles 284 00:17:44,313 --> 00:17:47,816 and then make that triangular formation again 285 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,611 and then would hover there for a few seconds. 286 00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:53,113 I can't think of anything in nature 287 00:17:53,197 --> 00:17:55,616 that would play follow-the-leader like that. 288 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,203 It was almost as if it wanted to be seen. 289 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:03,707 I was spooked. I was creeped out. 290 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:06,001 I was nervous. I was shaking. 291 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:10,839 [Jack] These are all up around between 7,000 and 12,000 feet. 292 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,050 [dispatch] Wow, this is strange. 293 00:18:14,176 --> 00:18:18,305 [Jack] Okay, they look like they're all moving toward the south, towards Chicago. 294 00:18:18,388 --> 00:18:22,684 They're about over the center of Lake Michigan. 295 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:26,563 Three of them in a triangle just off the coast of Berrien County. 296 00:18:27,314 --> 00:18:29,316 [eerie music playing] 297 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:40,369 [Jack] Once it got to that one area in Southern Lake Michigan, it stopped, 298 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:43,038 it hovered, it stayed there for a while. 299 00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:47,960 I watched them for two, three hours, 300 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:54,049 and they were met up by dozens and dozens of other objects that I could see. 301 00:18:55,008 --> 00:18:57,511 They were doing incredible feats, 302 00:18:57,594 --> 00:19:03,058 like going from lower, say at four-or-five thousand feet, 303 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:06,728 to going as high as 55,000 feet 304 00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:08,605 within a matter of seconds, 305 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,817 which none of our military aircraft can do at all. 306 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:13,902 At one point, 307 00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:17,281 I saw it move 20 miles out over Lake Michigan 308 00:19:17,364 --> 00:19:18,490 in less than a second. 309 00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:21,410 So it's moving at 72,000 miles an hour. 310 00:19:22,035 --> 00:19:26,331 At that speed, you could fly from New York to LA in about two minutes. 311 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:30,669 And there's just no technology I know of that can go that fast. 312 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:32,963 I know it wasn't swamp gas 313 00:19:33,046 --> 00:19:36,091 because the weather radar, uh, 314 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,844 would actually not be able to see swamp gas. 315 00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:43,724 I knew that they were not a super-refraction of the radar beam 316 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:47,436 or a bounce-back of the radar back down to the earth 317 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,063 because of their movements and their speeds. 318 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:51,064 But also because 319 00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:56,528 by raising the radar antenna to the many degrees that I did up, 320 00:19:56,612 --> 00:20:00,782 that eliminates all super-refraction possibilities. 321 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:07,915 Later on, I found out that that was the only clear area of no ice. 322 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:11,835 It was absolutely the northernmost point that you could get 323 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:14,254 without going into solid sheets of ice. 324 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:17,466 So they were out over open water. 325 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:21,762 It was a rendezvous point 326 00:20:21,845 --> 00:20:26,433 for other objects from… coming in from other directions. 327 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,981 [dispatch] All right, well, if we get any more, we'll let you know also. 328 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:34,942 [Jack] Please do. Thanks a lot, then. 329 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,527 -[dispatch] Okay. Thank you. Bye. -Uh-huh. Bye-bye. 330 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,156 Once I got off the phone with the 911 dispatcher, 331 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,744 I called my wife and told her all about what I had seen. 332 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:50,624 And I said, "Can you go out and take a look to the southern sky 333 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:52,709 and see if you see anything?" 334 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,796 It was late at night. It was the dead of winter. 335 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:59,424 She actually was too afraid to go out. She was creeped out. 336 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:01,635 Said, "I'm not going out there by myself." 337 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,515 I did stay over and watch it a little bit more. 338 00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:11,812 And one by one, they would disappear until they all just kind of faded away. 339 00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:14,481 [door opens and closes] 340 00:21:14,564 --> 00:21:17,526 The next shift that came in after me, 341 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:21,238 he didn't really get excited like I was. 342 00:21:21,321 --> 00:21:24,866 Really didn't know what to think of it because he hadn't seen the whole thing. 343 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:31,665 Driving home that night, everything was going through my mind. 344 00:21:31,748 --> 00:21:34,710 And I couldn't believe what I had seen. 345 00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:36,545 [intriguing music playing] 346 00:21:36,628 --> 00:21:40,340 My whole idea, as a scientist, 347 00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:43,051 of what's out there, 348 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:47,055 it was, like, just a huge change in the way I had to think. 349 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:50,183 That there's more out there than we all know. 350 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:56,690 [phone ringing] 351 00:21:58,859 --> 00:22:00,986 [Michael Walsh] Probably around 8:00 in the morning, 352 00:22:01,069 --> 00:22:04,031 we started getting direct calls, which were coming in to me. 353 00:22:04,114 --> 00:22:07,326 And these were citizens who saw something strange 354 00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,036 and wanted to report it. 355 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,830 -[mysterious music playing] -[phone line ringing] 356 00:22:11,913 --> 00:22:13,749 [Michael] So I got the idea 357 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:18,253 of calling the dispatch operator in Ottawa County, 911, 358 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:23,592 and saying, "How long would it take to get a copy of these calls?" 359 00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:26,470 And he said, "I'll have it for you in an hour." 360 00:22:28,138 --> 00:22:30,140 So I picked it up. 361 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:33,185 And this is back in 1994. 362 00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:36,938 Popped it in the cassette device, 363 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,609 and it knocks your socks off. 364 00:22:40,692 --> 00:22:41,651 [dispatch] 911. 365 00:22:41,735 --> 00:22:43,195 [caller 1] This is a non-emergency, 366 00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,697 so feel free to cut me off if something comes in. 367 00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:49,242 And I feel kind of silly calling, but is there any Air Force airplanes 368 00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:53,330 or helicopters flying around in Allegan or Ottawa County tonight? 369 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:58,001 [caller 2] I don't know if you guys do anything on UFOs at all. 370 00:22:59,294 --> 00:23:02,381 [caller 3] It's not a real emergency. We're calling about them UFOs we saw. 371 00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:04,591 -[dispatch] Mmm-hmm. -[caller 3] They're out there. 372 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:05,759 They ain't airplanes. 373 00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:12,891 [Michael] These people saw something that either frightened or amazed them. 374 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:16,895 You can hear, uh, the sincerity in their voices. 375 00:23:16,978 --> 00:23:19,064 You can hear the amazement. 376 00:23:19,147 --> 00:23:21,441 I think that's very compelling. 377 00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,612 But also, there was the 911 dispatch recording 378 00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:28,323 with the National Weather Service radar operator. 379 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,326 He alone and the dispatcher set this apart 380 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,162 from so much other UFO stuff that I've seen. 381 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:40,168 I listened to five or ten minutes of it, and I called the news desk and said, 382 00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:41,795 "We got a major story." 383 00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:45,715 I got back to the newsroom, batted out a story, 384 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,634 and got it on the wire. 385 00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:49,719 [intriguing music playing] 386 00:23:56,601 --> 00:23:59,187 When the event happened on March 8th, 387 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:02,566 I had no idea it was recorded. 388 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,653 The tape was immediately given to my boss 389 00:24:06,736 --> 00:24:09,239 and to my boss's boss. 390 00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:14,286 And that's when just everything broke loose. 391 00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:16,371 [intriguing music continues] 392 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:27,340 Residents in places like Grand Haven, Holland, and other lakeshore towns 393 00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:31,261 reported seeing the strange phenomenon in the night sky. 394 00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:34,890 This was definitely brighter than anything I've ever seen before. 395 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,100 Flashing green lights, and once in a while, 396 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,351 you'd see, like, a red. 397 00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,479 About ten seconds. It just went… [imitates whooshing] 398 00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,063 Were they watching us? 399 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:44,774 Were they taking samples of the atmosphere, you know? 400 00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:45,942 What were they doing? 401 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,405 [William Konkolesky] The March 8th, 1994 sighting 402 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:53,575 of UFOs in Southwestern Michigan 403 00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:56,745 is really one of the big cases historically. 404 00:24:56,828 --> 00:25:00,582 Not just for Michigan, but for UFOs, period. 405 00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:03,835 [reporter on video] Meet the Mutual UFO Network or MUFON, 406 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:07,088 international investigators of strange sights in the skies. 407 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:10,425 They're trying to find just what's haunting the Great Lakes state. 408 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:16,932 [William] MUFON is the world's largest civilian UFO research organization. 409 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:20,018 We've been around for over 50 years. 410 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:23,730 And we have over 4,000 members in over 40 countries. 411 00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:27,651 We take UFO reports that people, uh, send in to us. 412 00:25:27,734 --> 00:25:34,115 We can identify usually between 80% to 95% of what comes in to us every year. 413 00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:35,951 And the ones that we can't identify 414 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:38,370 are the interesting ones that keep us going. 415 00:25:39,454 --> 00:25:42,749 Michigan is one of those states where we just happen to have 416 00:25:42,832 --> 00:25:46,586 more UFO sightings reported to us than many of the other states. 417 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,421 We're always in the top ten. 418 00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:52,467 But this UFO event in March of '94, 419 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:56,471 we're talking over 300 witnesses to UFOs 420 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:57,764 in a single night. 421 00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,309 This was not just on the west side of the state. 422 00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:03,186 Michigan's got 82 counties, 423 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:07,899 and 42 counties had UFO sightings that night of March 8th. 424 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:09,484 [on video] MUFON officials say 425 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:12,279 this is the hottest UFO case in the country right now. 426 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,364 Not only because of the mass sightings 427 00:26:14,447 --> 00:26:18,034 but the fact that these objects have actually been tracked on radar. 428 00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,496 You can't say nothing happened that night. 429 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:22,831 It's scientific. 430 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:28,253 Here is an instrument recording something that is undeniable. 431 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,883 [Virginia Tilly] I learned about the sighting 432 00:26:33,967 --> 00:26:37,220 when a friend from Flint, Michigan called me. 433 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:40,557 I called the headquarters of MUFON, 434 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,061 and I was put in charge of investigating this case. 435 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:50,358 I got in the car as quickly as I could, driving to Holland. 436 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,696 I interviewed 20 or 30 people 437 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,657 who were direct witnesses. 438 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:01,745 They put us all in separate rooms 439 00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:04,372 and had us all draw pictures 440 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,499 and write our story. 441 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:08,877 [reporter on video] How'd you know it was something unusual? 442 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,962 I saw the bottom. 443 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,717 It was metal. It had lights on it. 444 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:19,763 [Michael] I've had nationwide stories before, but nothing like this. 445 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:21,222 This went worldwide. 446 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,600 The reaction was immediate. 447 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:27,354 For two weeks now, the big question in much of Western Michigan has been, 448 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:28,980 "Oh my God, what is this?" 449 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:32,817 [Michael] After the event, 450 00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:36,946 I was contacted by dozens of people from throughout the state. 451 00:27:37,864 --> 00:27:41,451 I had calls I remember from two pilots. 452 00:27:41,534 --> 00:27:42,952 Both from major airlines 453 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:46,581 who were coming in over to O'Hare over Lake Michigan. 454 00:27:47,248 --> 00:27:50,543 And both of them separately verified 455 00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:54,089 this very bright, cylindrical object 456 00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:57,592 going in front of them across Lake Michigan. 457 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:01,179 And then just disappearing at a phenomenal rate of speed. 458 00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:06,267 Both of them did not want their names used, 459 00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:08,812 did not want their carriers used, 460 00:28:08,895 --> 00:28:12,816 because there was so much prejudice, perhaps. 461 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:15,318 I think there had been a stigma 462 00:28:15,402 --> 00:28:18,822 attached to people who claim to have seen UFOs 463 00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:22,158 because it may suggest that they're mentally ill. 464 00:28:22,742 --> 00:28:25,161 You're silly, you're drunk, you're crazy. 465 00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:31,209 [Jack] Soon after the event occurred, 466 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:34,003 I walked into the weather office, 467 00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:38,758 and the guys had taken paper plates, 468 00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:42,137 stacked and stapled like flying saucers. 469 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:46,307 And they put about 50 of them hanging from the ceiling on strings. 470 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:51,646 Just put my hands on my face and thought, "Oh no." 471 00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,608 When it came to this event, 472 00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:57,861 I knew people might not believe me, 473 00:28:57,944 --> 00:29:00,321 and what I had seen might sound crazy. 474 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,744 I did not want to be thought of 475 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:10,123 as somebody, especially as a scientist, as somebody with a mental illness. 476 00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:15,420 The National Weather Service, 477 00:29:15,503 --> 00:29:19,591 they did not want to be known as "the UFO reporting center." 478 00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:22,969 So they tried to make it go away in a hurry. 479 00:29:24,971 --> 00:29:27,557 [reporter on video] Meteorologists with the National Weather Service 480 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,100 said a temperature inversion, 481 00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:32,771 a layer of warm air a few thousand feet above the Earth's surface, 482 00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:35,815 could have been the culprit for the strange returns on radar. 483 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:37,817 Something called "ground clutter." 484 00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:44,741 [Jack] Well, at this point, I was told not to talk or give interviews to anybody. 485 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:50,288 I was very anxious 'cause I worked my entire life for that job. 486 00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:54,667 If I had disobeyed an order 487 00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:56,878 and talked to the press about it, 488 00:29:56,961 --> 00:30:01,216 I have no doubt in my mind that they would have tried to fire me 489 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:07,347 or actually ruin the future of my career, yeah. 490 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,728 My supervisor Leo had to toe the line. 491 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:20,151 And in fact when I talked to him later about what this was doing to my career, 492 00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:23,822 Leo was the one that said, "Jack, you gotta get out of Michigan." 493 00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:31,037 I knew I had to hurry up and get a job to wherever I could 494 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,041 based solely because of this UFO event. 495 00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:40,296 But I was depressed to have to leave such good friends, childhood friends, 496 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:42,799 and my family. 497 00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,677 That was the impact on my career, yes. 498 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:48,263 [somber music playing] 499 00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:01,067 [Jack] I almost put it behind me 500 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:04,904 because I didn't think we were gonna ever be able to learn anymore. 501 00:31:04,988 --> 00:31:10,034 But I did want vindication for this because there were jokes. 502 00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:14,747 What I saw, this was a life-altering event. 503 00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:17,917 It's something you just don't forget. 504 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:24,591 How much brain space this occupied in 30 years, uh, 505 00:31:24,674 --> 00:31:28,928 it was enough to where I gave myself headaches thinking about it. 506 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:33,433 Literally headaches trying to just really focus 507 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:37,395 and try to figure it out 'cause it's such a mystery. 508 00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:40,815 [intriguing music playing] 509 00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:52,952 [indistinct radio chatter] 510 00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:56,414 [pilot laughing on radio] Whoa! Got it! Whoo-hoo! 511 00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:59,792 [reporter on video] Today a highly-anticipated report 512 00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:01,544 from the US Intelligence Community 513 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:06,633 zeroes in on unidentified aerial phenomenon, or UAPs, 514 00:32:06,716 --> 00:32:08,593 commonly known as UFOs. 515 00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:11,804 [reporter] This report had lots of input from the military. 516 00:32:11,888 --> 00:32:15,058 It was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. 517 00:32:15,141 --> 00:32:18,394 They did find more than 140 reports 518 00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:20,939 dating back to 2004, 519 00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:24,150 where investigators could not find an explanation. 520 00:32:24,817 --> 00:32:30,114 Pilots said they saw objects that moved at exceptional speed and agility. 521 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:31,449 [pilot on video] My gosh! 522 00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:35,078 They're all going against the wind. The wind's 120 knots to the west. 523 00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:38,665 We have people like Navy pilots, former CIA directors coming forward and saying, 524 00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:41,209 "Yeah, there are things that we don't really understand." 525 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,877 [reporter] One incident in Puerto Rico, 526 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,213 where an object was tracked buzzing an airport, 527 00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,465 then flying into the water, popping back out 528 00:32:47,548 --> 00:32:50,551 before appearing to split into two and disappearing. 529 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:54,138 [Andre Carson] This is a technology that we don't completely understand. 530 00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:57,892 And it seems to be defying our understanding of physics. 531 00:32:57,976 --> 00:33:02,730 The larger question is, "Is this alien life?" remains unanswered. 532 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:05,400 [Jack] After all these years, 533 00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:08,361 it seems like the US government and the military 534 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:11,739 is finally taking UFO sightings more seriously. 535 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:16,202 And that's made me re-examine my own UFO experience. 536 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:28,297 I've been dreaming about this for 27 years. 537 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:33,052 What I'm hoping to get out of the eyewitnesses 538 00:33:33,136 --> 00:33:35,388 is to get more information out of them 539 00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:39,892 and actually see exactly where they were 540 00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,979 so that I can tie together what I was seeing 541 00:33:43,062 --> 00:33:47,275 with other people on the ground, with the radar. 542 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:53,948 When you have both radar confirmation and ground-based eyeball confirmation, 543 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:57,869 that's the proof that there was a tornado on the ground. 544 00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:00,913 And so why not for UFOs? 545 00:34:03,082 --> 00:34:05,084 -Virginia? -[Virginia] Oh, Jack! 546 00:34:05,168 --> 00:34:08,337 -Jack Bushong. Nice to meet you. -For real. It's so nice to meet you. 547 00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:10,548 I have so many questions that I know I… 548 00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,383 [Jack] I knew of Virginia Tilly. 549 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:18,139 She did a thorough job of finding these witnesses on the ground, 550 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:21,350 but, of course, she didn't have a really good, 551 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,896 detailed account of what I saw on the radar. 552 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,857 I know you've been investigating this the whole time. 553 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:30,068 Believe it or not, I tried to reach you. 554 00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:31,110 -Oh, you did? -I did. 555 00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:33,821 -I tried actually several different times. -Really? 556 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,449 And I was always told you weren't available, 557 00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:38,785 or you weren't allowed to speak to me. 558 00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:41,871 -No men in black came? [laughing] -No men in black. Oh jeez. 559 00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:43,039 [Jack] None of those. 560 00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:47,126 There are very few, if any, 561 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:50,630 that have the kind of documentation that goes with this case. 562 00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:54,592 This one, I feel, is much bigger than any of the others that I've-- 563 00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:56,469 No kidding! The absolute top one? 564 00:34:56,552 --> 00:34:57,887 -Really? -I would think so. 565 00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:01,057 There's a lot of gaps I'd like to see filled up. 566 00:35:01,557 --> 00:35:04,685 I'm really interested in this couple you were talking about 567 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,271 that had a vantage point from Lake Michigan 568 00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:09,774 around the time when I was seeing it on radar. 569 00:35:10,858 --> 00:35:15,113 This was one of the most unusual things I've ever heard. 570 00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:18,491 -March 8th of '94. -[Jack] Okay. 571 00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:23,371 [Virginia] Young couple that were camping out that night. 572 00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:26,999 An ice-cold night, right on the lake. 573 00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:31,838 After midnight, the wife woke up. 574 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:37,885 There was a tall tower of water. 575 00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:43,391 They said it looked like a huge waterfall. 576 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:47,979 Went up almost as high as what looked like the heights of the sky. 577 00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:52,984 -At least 20 feet wide. -Okay. 578 00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:57,697 It was lit behind and from above. 579 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,033 And they're looking off towards the Chicago area, 580 00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:02,535 towards the southwest. 581 00:36:02,618 --> 00:36:04,078 They both were so frightened, 582 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:07,373 they grabbed a couple of quick things that were laying with them, 583 00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:11,085 and they ran up the stairs as fast as they could go. 584 00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:18,593 So what you're telling me completely correlates with what I saw on radar 585 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:22,138 from eleven o'clock through well after midnight. 586 00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:24,849 I was watching them till two in the morning on radar. 587 00:36:24,932 --> 00:36:26,350 In the same place, 588 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:29,103 I have them at 6,000 feet at that point. 589 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:32,273 -It must've been a pretty tall waterfall. -Okay. You're right. 590 00:36:32,356 --> 00:36:33,816 That's incredible. 591 00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:41,157 A lot of these UFO events occur around great big bodies of water. 592 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,410 -The Great Lakes seems to be a hot spot. -A very… 593 00:36:44,493 --> 00:36:47,622 -[Jack] Freshwater here. -I've heard that so many times. 594 00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:53,711 The Great Lakes is the largest fresh water area on the entire planet. 595 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:57,381 It's almost as if they were looking for open water, 596 00:36:57,465 --> 00:36:59,342 and they found it right here. 597 00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:02,345 And, uh, so there has to be a connection. 598 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:10,811 [Holly] I always wanted to meet him. 599 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:12,813 You know, being "the radar guy." 600 00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:15,900 He said, "I saw what I saw." 601 00:37:15,983 --> 00:37:18,194 So they see that we're not crazy. 602 00:37:18,277 --> 00:37:20,446 You know, what we saw was real. 603 00:37:21,155 --> 00:37:27,912 [Jeffrey] The 1994 sighting has affected me in a popularity kind of way. 604 00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,957 And a lot of the inquiries, too, are sincere. 605 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,545 But if the recording from the radar operator did not exist, 606 00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:38,547 it would affect me differently, I believe. 607 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:43,928 It would be more adverse, probably, or more unbelievable to people. 608 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:47,390 [Holly] We saw it out in the east sky. 609 00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:52,895 We could see, you know, the… I guess you would call it metallic… 610 00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:55,273 -We could see that, yes. -You could see that? 611 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:59,193 I saw something that I'd never seen before. 612 00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:02,780 The interesting thing to me about the two lights was 613 00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:07,952 one of them broke away from the other at a noticeably high speed. 614 00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:15,209 [Jack] When I was seeing the objects between South Haven and Benton Harbor 615 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,338 and yet the witnesses, the police officer was in Holland, 616 00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:22,967 they couldn't tell how far away or how high up. 617 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:24,302 I could though. 618 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:27,763 I could see exactly how far away they were 619 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:29,432 and how high up they were. 620 00:38:29,515 --> 00:38:31,851 And it matched perfectly with what they were seeing. 621 00:38:33,019 --> 00:38:36,188 Now I'm 100% sure we were seeing the same thing. 622 00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:37,815 There's no doubt about it. 623 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,444 The strangest thing I saw that night 624 00:38:41,527 --> 00:38:47,074 was when I was using the beam of my radar to track the one object, 625 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,493 and then it split into several objects. 626 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,791 And they began to make triangles, and different rotating patterns, 627 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:57,793 and also even rotating 628 00:38:57,877 --> 00:39:00,588 in the way that they were going from horizontal to vertical. 629 00:39:00,671 --> 00:39:03,549 But the one thing that was very odd 630 00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:07,636 was each triangle was lined up perfectly 631 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,847 down the beam of the radar. 632 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:11,974 If it was in any other position, 633 00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:14,769 I wouldn't have been able to see it all in one beam. 634 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,898 There was no way something could do that 635 00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:22,401 unless it knew where the radar was. 636 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:28,574 To get that, you have to be pretty intelligent. 637 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:31,786 It almost made me wonder, 638 00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:34,288 are they communicating, you know, this way? 639 00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:37,750 [ominous music playing] 640 00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:48,969 [Jack] I just keep having to say, "What did I see that night?" 641 00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:53,933 "What did I see going 72,000 miles per hour, at least, 642 00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,476 you know, in a second?" 643 00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:59,063 -[mysterious music playing] -[Jack] What was it? 644 00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:02,066 What do you think you saw that night? 645 00:40:02,149 --> 00:40:03,776 It was a UFO. 646 00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:06,028 I know that. 647 00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:08,656 What do you think you saw that night? 648 00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:15,287 I… It's a tough question to answer 649 00:40:15,371 --> 00:40:20,793 because, um, you don't wanna look like a kook, you know. 650 00:40:20,876 --> 00:40:23,921 But I've checked off everything I could think of. 651 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:26,507 But it looked like an extreme technology 652 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:31,011 that seems like it's hundreds of years, uh, advanced. 653 00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:33,055 More advanced than what we have. 654 00:40:33,722 --> 00:40:35,724 [eerie music playing] 655 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,562 [Michael] Nobody can conclusively say these are 656 00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:42,398 any kind of extraterrestrial craft. 657 00:40:42,898 --> 00:40:44,275 Now, on the other hand, 658 00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:47,111 I look up at the universe, 659 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,240 and I see the night sky. 660 00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:56,996 And I have a feeling we're not alone in the vastness of this universe. 661 00:40:58,664 --> 00:41:00,749 It's been almost 30 years, 662 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:05,671 and it's so gratifying to me that I was a piece of that evening. 663 00:41:05,754 --> 00:41:08,048 [tranquil music playing] 664 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,887 [Holly] When I look through here, it takes me back almost 30 years. 665 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,264 My children were small. 666 00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:18,851 It's a UFO. [chuckles] 667 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,812 I'm glad my babies got to see it. 668 00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:27,234 The two best things that ever happened in my life 669 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:28,444 were my children. 670 00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:34,658 And this night ranks right under that, you know? 671 00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:38,204 It's even making me emotional here, and I don't want to be emotional. 672 00:41:40,664 --> 00:41:44,251 I hope everybody in the world can see what we saw that night. 673 00:41:46,754 --> 00:41:48,631 [William] When we get UFO reports in, 674 00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:52,009 it's understood that we're only getting a small portion 675 00:41:52,092 --> 00:41:55,429 of the group of people who may have seen something. 676 00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:58,641 We've only received a very small amount 677 00:41:58,724 --> 00:42:01,268 of the stories that have happened that night. 678 00:42:01,894 --> 00:42:03,771 There are a lot more. 679 00:42:03,854 --> 00:42:07,775 And I would encourage people to tell their story. 680 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,444 This is a good time to do it. Why not? 681 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:13,781 -[mysterious music playing] -[William] It's time we talk about it. 682 00:42:17,618 --> 00:42:22,581 [Jack] I'm hoping that there's gonna be some witnesses that will try to contact me 683 00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:27,211 and give me their story about that March 8, 1994, event. 684 00:42:28,379 --> 00:42:33,551 Unless we finally figure out what this is and there's hard proof about it, 685 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:37,346 I am not going to give up this obsession of mine 686 00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:38,973 to try to figure it out. 687 00:42:41,392 --> 00:42:43,811 I can see doing this the rest of my life. 688 00:42:51,652 --> 00:42:53,654 [mysterious music playing]