[car alarm wails]
[horn blares]
[woman] My mom was the most cautious, overprotective person in the world.
For them to say that she left the church
to walk across the street in 12-degree weather,
dark of night, where it was icy and snowy,
into a foot of freezing cold water
to take her own life,
it just doesn't make sense.
[interviewer] Who did your mom fear?
[sighs]
That's a sensitive subject at this time.
[interviewer] People within the family? Close to the family?
I can't say that right now.
[suspenseful main theme playing]
[distant siren]
[interviewer] State your full name.
Daniel Jensen. J-E-N-S-E-N.
-[interviewer] Where was her car found? -On a one-way exit drive,
adjacent to the church,
approximately a hundred feet from the lakeside.
It was the only car on that exit drive.
It was almost ten o'clock at night,
uh, the church appeared dark
and there was really no reason for it to be there.
[car door closes]
The officer approached the parked vehicle, illuminated same.
He saw the purse in the car,
checked down to the water and saw the footprints.
There was the two prints in the snow from apparently where someone sat down,
with handprints alongside of it.
Slid to the second level, another butt print, handprints.
The minute the footprints and the butt prints were seen,
it was confirmed immediately by all three officers on the scene,
they sincerely believed there was a person in the water.
It went to immediate request for help, for a search and rescue operation.
We have a possibility, a good chance, that we may be able to save a life.
[police sirens]
[woman] That night, my mom had a 7 p.m. prayer service
that she would attend, and at this point, it's 9:20
and my brother's upstairs sleeping,
and I'm getting... You know, just put my pajamas on,
and I see a car come around the corner.
[indistinct police radio messages]
I was like, "Oh, there's Mom."
And I looked out, and it was a police officer.
And I said, "Can I help you?"
And he said, "Yes.
We found your mother's car abandoned in the church parking lot.
Is she missing?"
[woman] We start calling her phone, like, that second.
And her phone's going right to voice mail, so her phone's off.
[Michelle] I was 29, my sister Kellie was 27,
and my brother Michael was 20.
My mom and my dad were separated
and they didn't really get along that well.
Me and my siblings, we all lived together with my mom.
And so, that night,
we started calling family friends and, you know,
anybody she could've gone to get coffee with.
Everyone's like, "No, we didn't hear from her. We're not with her."
[man] My niece Michelle called me and said, "Get over here right away."
And she was totally freaked out. She said,
"These two Grosse Pointe Woods police officers came to the house
and said my mom's missing."
And I was like, "What?"
She said, "Let's get over to St. Paul's Church
because apparently that's where her car is."
[Michelle] My mom was 55.
She was full of life.
The best mom, just the warmest heart.
And we were just really a close-knit family.
[Kellie] My mom was a great lady.
Everyone's best friend.
Like, happy, fun to be around.
Our house was the house to be at when growing up.
All the friends were over.
It made her happy to see us with our friends.
[John] She was an angel.
Just a great soul. You know, out to help everybody.
She was my favorite sister,
and, um, the closest person to me.
She was pretty much everything to me.
[police siren]
[Kellie] We pull up at the church,
we see crime scene tape around the car,
and there's all these police everywhere. We were like...
"What is happening right now?"
[helicopter whirs above]
[Michelle] My mom's car was parked in the driveway
of St. Paul Catholic Church.
The car is locked.
The keys were nowhere to be found at that time.
Her cell phone was missing.
Her purse is on the front seat.
She's never left her purse behind.
So, when I saw the purse in the car,
I was extremely nervous at that point.
[Kellie] We're running around the grounds of the church.
You know, we're just searching through every spot you could possibly get into,
inside the building, outside the building.
So, the fact that we're now
approaching three hours and no one's heard from her...
something's wrong.
It was a shit show.
It seemed like the whole Coast Guard, whatever it was, a helicopter, divers
and all kinds of Coast Guard equipment.
You had the Grosse Pointe Farms cops there.
[Kellie] We start just asking,
"What's going on?"
[siren wails]
They're like, "We think your mom walked into the water."
There's no way she's in the water.
It was freezing. I just remember it being just so cold,
and you're just shivering.
The water was partially frozen.
It was one to two feet deep. You could see the rocks.
They said, "We think that your mom walked to the water
and committed suicide."
[Daniel] There were no signs of a struggle,
either around the car or in the car.
There were no signs of any...
for example, torn clothing, uh, items on the ground,
purse dumped, car ransacked,
scuff marks or drag marks around the scene,
blood, bullet casings, or any type of evidence
that would lead one to believe that a crime occurred.
[Michelle] 4:00 a.m., nobody had heard from her.
They called off the helicopters,
and they towed the Lexus to the police station.
We just had no idea where she could be.
She had vanished.
[interviewer] Who did the fingerprinting of the car?
-I did. -And what were the results?
There were no clear fingerprints, all smudges.
[interviewer] None on the purse?
-Inside the car? -We didn't fingerprint the purse.
[interviewer] How about door handles? Inside or outside?
No fingerprints found?
No usable prints.
[female reporter] JoAnn Matouk Romain disappeared.
The 55-year-old woman from Grosse Pointe Woods
was last seen at her church.
[male reporter] Suicide speculated. No body found and there's little current.
If she went in here, she should've been here.
[Michelle] My mom worked part-time at a boutique in Grosse Pointe.
Grosse Pointe is the suburb bordering Detroit.
It is a very rich community,
a very tight community.
Everybody knows everybody's business.
If you were born there, you're basically raised there
and you stay there. Nobody ever truly leaves Grosse Pointe.
My mom definitely loved it.
Her social life on a weekly basis was just having lunch with girlfriends,
inviting people over to the house for dinner,
having our friends over, having family over.
It was just a very active, loving lifestyle.
My mom had a lot of friends.
So, for my mom to disappear,
it was the end of the world for a lot of people.
We were putting fliers together,
we had a mass search,
people were looking, you know, in woods, in dumpsters,
um, anywhere that she could possibly be.
We just had no idea where she could be.
There was an extensive three-day search
in the area that the police had alleged my mom had entered the water.
There's no current.
It's clear.
It's a foot or two feet deep.
And the night she disappeared, she was wearing a black blouse,
black pants, black high-heeled shoes, a black coat.
You would be able to clearly see her if she was here.
A specialty diving team searched for three more days
to officially say, "She's not in here."
[man] The search that we had done for Ms. Romain
was the most thorough search that I've ever done,
or my team has ever done.
We found a lot of cold water, a lot of ice,
and, uh...
unfortunately, not Ms. Romain.
I just don't think that she was in that location.
[interviewer] There was nothing found indicating
that a person stepped onto broken ice or entered the water,
-right? -Correct.
There was no evidence she went in the water.
Correct.
[Michelle] She would have had to cross the initial two-lane traffic,
gone to the median, crossed the other two-lane traffic,
and then gone over to the embankment where the water would've been,
which was very steep and icy,
and would make no sense for anybody to be over there
at that time of night and that temperature.
It was snowy on the ground.
She's not going anywhere near water
that she could possibly slip and fall into.
That's not her.
Not my mom.
Not this little lady who was cautious for everything.
Something's wrong. Someone took her.
She's somewhere and we're gonna find her.
I can't believe this is my life now.
We're talking about a lady
that went to church and cooked.
That's all she did.
[reporter] Police believe the Grosse Pointe Woods mother committed suicide.
Her family does not.
[John] JoAnn is probably the one person that I know
that would never commit suicide.
She had such great faith.
There's no way that she was gonna, you know, end her life
and walk away from her kids. Never happen.
[Michelle] There was no suicide note.
She was never on any medications.
My mom always was and, as she got older, became more of a devout Catholic,
going to church more than just on Sundays, you know, going during the week.
If you're a devout Catholic, suicide is against all beliefs.
[woman] JoAnn and I were friends since the fourth grade
at St. Joan of Arc Elementary School.
I talked to her three days before she disappeared.
She was upbeat.
She and I had a good laugh
about something that had occurred in my life.
And I remember at the end
we both kind of shared, "I love you. See you soon."
JoAnn never displayed to me any signs of depression.
She would never leave her children.
They were her life.
They were her everything.
[Michelle] The police's theory was she committed suicide, closed case.
I believe it was foul play,
'cause she would never just disappear.
[church bell rings]
[man] January 12, 2010. Family's nightmare began right here
at St. Paul Catholic Church, in Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
I hired Sal Rastrelli to come out as an expert crime scene investigator
and also as a water expert to help solve this case.
Her car was found in the parking lot there.
Behind these cars that you see in our view,
a couple cars back.
An officer claimed she jumped in the water or got into the water somehow
and committed suicide.
I have traveled literally all over the country
and looked at cases like this.
And something I've seen over my career,
even in law enforcement, was officers, they get on a scene
and right away they think it's a suicide.
Everything after that is geared towards proving the theory of a suicide.
Then when I started looking at the photographs that they took
of these apparent footprints,
all you see is basically something walked through.
It could've been anybody or anything, based on those photographs.
The one thing they didn't do,
which is elementary in footwear impression work,
is to take 90-degree photographs.
In other words, you know, you set a camera up on a tripod
and shoot a picture straight down on top
with the scale on it,
so you can enlarge that image to actual size
and then compare it.
Any law enforcement officer that's been trained
should have never omitted those kind of photographs.
That's one of the things that was crucial in this case.
[Daniel] It isn't a confirmed exact footprint.
There's a footprint and then another one, with some sliding,
but it was evident to Det. McCarthy
that it appeared to be a small high-heeled boot.
[interviewer] Did any footprint experts review those photographs at all?
-Not that I'm aware of, sir. No. -Okay.
Ms. Romain was supposed to be wearing a pair of four-inch high heels.
And she was alleged to have traversed this
with high heels on, in the snow, in the dark.
I was curious to see what it would be like for a woman,
wearing similar shoes, to traverse this.
It was dark...
Okay, here we go.
...and it was full of snow... and ice.
She was wearing shoes
-like you're wearing... -Mm-hm.
...which, obviously, is difficult for you, and for me.
Let's not both go in.
[woman] And this had ice on it.
-I don't know how-- -It would've been snow and ice.
We got this bad crevice here, so I'm gonna stop here.
-Okay. -If you wanna come a little further.
-Just watch your footing. -Okay.
-Before you go to the next step. -Got it. Let's see.
-You wanna come one more? -Yeah.
-Get you on level ground. -This is... Whoa!
-Are you okay? -Yeah.
When I came here for the very first time and saw this slope,
no way a woman could've done this in heels,
and you just proved it without the snow and ice.
Then they claim
that she made her way across that next level.
And then down into the water.
So, that meant she would have had to drop five feet or more,
off that ledge,
down to the boulder-strewn bottom.
The chief of police here said he knew it was a suicide in five minutes.
He must have a crystal ball, 'cause in my 30-some-odd years doing this,
there's no way you can ascertain
something is what it is in five minutes. It's not gonna happen.
[Michelle] You always have a glimpse of hope that they're still alive.
But as the days turned into weeks,
turned into months,
you realize your odds are slim.
It's just a very traumatic event to happen,
to have your mom disappear,
and for my brother and sister, it's been extremely difficult.
My brother Michael emotionally is a wreck.
He still is.
And it's very hard for him to talk about any of this.
I'm the oldest,
so I knew I was gonna have to take this into my own hands.
And I need to find the witnesses that saw something.
I need to go back to that night
and I need to re-walk the steps of what occurred
and what they say happened, versus what could've happened.
The day she disappeared,
my mom dropped my brother off at home and told him,
"I'm gonna go fill up gas for the next morning. I'll be right back."
[man] JoAnn was a really good friend of ours
and a good customer for a very long time.
So, the night that JoAnn came in here, actually she was just like normal,
very happy, cheerful.
I went out there, pumped her gas for her,
nothing out of the ordinary.
Um, we just had normal conversations.
"How's the day going?" "How's the family?"
Talking about her daughters, so on and so forth.
Then she was on her way, and that was it.
[Michelle] There was a prayer service at 7 p.m.
It was about a 15-to-20-minute prayer service.
From what we know, after she went to get gas,
she decided to go to the church.
So, it was a very routine thing for her to do,
and if she could make it to it, she would.
There was only about 10 or 15 people in the entire prayer service,
so it was a very small thing.
There is a witness that identified my mom in the church.
They were sitting in the front, by the altar,
and my mom was sitting in the back.
So, when they had turned around, they saw her in the aisle.
And she departed at 7:15
when the service ended.
Within the month of my mom disappearing,
I hired retired FBI agent Bill Randall to help solve this case.
[Bill] Originally, when Michelle and Kellie met with me
and told me what had occurred, the first thing we needed to do
was to get a copy of their mother's phone records.
[phone beeps rapidly]
There was one number in particular.
We called the number and found out it was a security company.
The week prior to her disappearance, JoAnn had left a voice mail,
and, uh, she was attempting to contact an investigator.
I think she believed she was being followed
by person or persons unknown.
And she was concerned.
[Michelle] In the weeks leading up to my mom's disappearance,
she did seem more nervous, more cautious.
And I personally wasn't paying as much attention
as I probably should have
until she disappeared.
[John] She was acting very troubled, not herself, very scared.
She wouldn't tell me what she was concerned about,
and she always told me everything.
Almost like, if she told me, she would put her kids or myself in jeopardy.
So, I was like, "What... what's going on?"
Like, something's not right.
[Bill] I contacted people.
I contacted a woman that owns the clothing store where JoAnn worked,
and I also talked to one of her... one of her coworkers.
[phone rings]
One of the persons that I talked to indicated to me
that starting around January the 7th to January 8 of 2010,
that JoAnn was receiving more calls than usual,
and that she would always walk away
to talk to whoever the party was that she was on the phone with,
and that was very uncommon for her to do so.
There was an instance where she felt that her mail was being interdicted
from the post office,
and that someone had followed her to the post office.
She also indicated that she felt that her phone was being tapped.
[Michelle] She didn't like going many places alone,
and the only place she truly felt safe was church.
[church bell rings]
[Bill] I spoke with witnesses from the church.
They indicated that they did see JoAnn at the service the night she disappeared.
After leaving the services, approximately 7:15 to 7:20 p.m.,
one of the witnesses indicated she thought she heard the auto alarm going off
on the Lexus that was driven by JoAnn,
or it could've been the panic alarm.
[alarm wails, horn blares]
[Michelle] The witness saw the lights flashing.
She said it lasted for about 15 seconds.
She didn't make anything of it because there was no other disruptions.
So, they went about their business.
I interviewed another witness who was at the service.
She indicated that she left the church at approximately 7:25 to 7:35.
She was one of the last to leave.
She felt uneasy because it was dark.
So, as she proceeded towards her car,
she looked to the left and to the right of the drive.
And she said she noticed no vehicles parked in the driveway.
[Michelle] It's... empty,
which indicates the Lexus left the church
and then at some point had come back.
It was like someone moved the car
and put it close to the very same spot, although not exactly the same spot.
When the cops found the vehicle, it was positioned right here,
with the front of the car aligned with this bush.
So, the car left and then it came back.
But nobody understood why. How could this have happened?
[soothing music playing]
It was a Saturday and I got a call from a detective.
"You need to call me back."
At this moment, you know, I'm thinking worst-case scenario, like,
obviously something bad's happened.
Michelle comes out of her bedroom,
and she's like...
"They found Mom."
It was a sinking feeling.
The body was found by two fishermen
on Boblo Island,
in Amherstburg, Ontario, is where she was found.
It was 35 miles
from where they allege she entered the water.
Our worst fear came to light at that point.
You know, all these days that we're hoping and praying just,
you know, that she'd walk through the door.
[Michelle] Losing my mom, it was like we lost everything,
'cause she really was the backbone of the family.
Her brothers and sisters and just the entire family.
So, it was a huge shock and a huge adjustment,
and a huge loss for everybody.
Yeah, we were devastated, but we didn't stop.
Now let's figure out how it happened and why it happened.
I want justice for JoAnn. That's the bottom line.
[man] So, right around in this area
is where the GPS says her body was recovered.
[Michelle] Scott Lewis is a investigative reporter
for 25 years in Metro Detroit,
then turned PI after he retired.
Scott came in, new fresh set of eyes on the case.
[Scott] JoAnn Romain was found down in the Detroit River,
on the Canadian side of an island called Boblo Island.
This is kind of a historic island in Detroit.
Back in the day, it had an amusement park on it,
and people about my age will tell you they remember going there as kids.
Eventually, it closed down
and I think it became a development with housing and some other things.
[Michelle] I didn't realize how far...
the travel actually was until we took this trip.
[Scott] I had the same perspective.
It's one thing to look at it on a map and talk about 30 miles.
You get in the car, drive 30 miles, it doesn't take very long.
But when you actually get out here on the water, my God.
So, for her body to have left that shallow water
along the shore with no current,
it would have had to get out into that shipping channel
in the middle of the lake,
and then found its way into the Detroit River
and 30 miles downriver.
That's a little bit of a stretch for me.
At first I wasn't sure if this was a kind of case
I would wanna get into,
so, what I told Michelle is that,
"If I review your case and I think there's even a chance
that this was a suicide, I'm done.
If I think this is a murder, I'm in."
I don't see anything that points to... suicide.
To begin with, who fills their gas tank on the way to commit suicide?
That was the first red flag to me.
If she had driven into the garage, and closed the garage door,
and let the car run,
I'd buy it.
If she had shot herself, I'd buy it.
I don't believe for one second that she walked into that lake.
I can't see any way that you could go into two feet of calm water, in a bay,
and somehow get out into the deep water with a current,
and end up 30 miles downriver without somebody finding that body
with all the divers they had out, the helicopters,
and all the searching they did.
[Michelle] Nobody thought, out of the investigators I hired,
that she could've traveled
from where the police were alleging she had entered
to the vicinity in which she was found.
The only other possibility is that she didn't enter
at the location the police alleged that she had entered,
that she had entered somewhere way further down,
somewhere in Detroit, and that she was dumped.
[boat engine chugging]
I'm just thinking if she struggled,
if she was scared.
You know, the moments before she entered the water,
if she knew what was going on.
And, you know, what her last thoughts were
when she knew she was in danger and she wasn't gonna make it.
[man] JoAnn Romain's body was recovered on March 20th, 2010.
The body was in an advanced state of decomposition,
such that we couldn't make a definitive determination
as to the time of death.
But the body may have been there for some time,
as there was gray-brown algae and zebra mussels
that were stuck to the legs and lower, uh, extremities.
In my opinion, JoAnn Romain's death was caused by drowning.
But it's certainly possible
that she could have been dead prior to entering the water.
The manner of her death was indeterminate,
meaning that we can't differentiate
between a homicide or a suicide or an accident.
There may have been someone else involved
or it may have been a self-inflicted drowning.
There were two bruises to the left upper portion of the arm.
The bruising on JoAnn Romain's upper arm
certainly could've been the result of an assault
or some kind of injury inflicted by another person.
Or it could represent just two coincidental bruises to the arm.
However, it would be my opinion that those bruises were antemortem
or occurred before death.
So, this was my mom's brand-new designer purse
that she had purchased about six weeks before she disappeared.
And this is the condition it was in
when we got the purse back from the police.
It's ripped.
There's a big hole where the rip was.
My mom always had her purse on her left shoulder.
Like this.
And she had contusions on her upper left arm,
which is the same place that she carried her purse.
So, that's just another piece of evidence that suggests she was grabbed.
Her purse was ripped.
To me, that is important evidence
that there was a crime committed against her,
that she did not commit suicide.
[interviewer] You're aware that, uh, Ms. Romain's purse
-was found in the car? -[Daniel] Yes, sir.
-You're aware that it was torn? -Yes, sir.
Why do you believe it's not evidence of a crime?
Because of where the tear was.
-Where was the tear? -Not on a strap.
It didn't appear to come from physical struggle.
-Okay. -There was no buckle torn free,
there was no, uh, rivet torn.
It came from a... by the flap area of the purse.
[Michelle] They never fingerprinted the purse.
They never got any DNA off of it.
They never tested it for any DNA.
And they just acted like, "Oh, no big deal.
So, it's, you know, shredded and torn, it's not...
That's just probably how it was." And just let it go like that.
When they found my mom's body,
her car keys were found zipped up in her coat pocket.
Now, what bothers me about that is that everything was zipped up.
Her coat pockets were zipped up,
her jacket was zipped up to her chin.
That didn't make sense because she never zipped up her jacket.
Not something she would've done.
There's two things that were missing,
and it was her rosary and her cell phone.
Both are things that she would've had in her coat pocket.
When there's some type of crime committed, what's the thing you wanna get rid of?
A cell phone, because you can track a phone.
The other thing was that her shoes were intact.
The police assert that she walked down an embankment
over some concrete rods
into some rocks,
walked out a hundred yards to drown herself.
Now, the entire bottom of the lake is rocky.
Her clothes were intact, her shoes were still on.
So, it didn't really seem that she had been traveling too far
and gone through too much
to have all of her clothes still on, her shoes still intact...
you know, her jewelry still on, it's very odd.
[keys jangle]
[car door lock beeps]
I believe that my mom was abducted while walking out of church.
She was grabbed from the left side,
where the bruises and contusions are on her arm,
and her purse was ripped.
Pushed into her own car,
where the abductor then drove away, in her vehicle.
[Scott] They took her somewhere along the Detroit River,
rendered her unconscious or killed her,
put her body in the water,
drove the car back to the church,
parked it in a spot where it would maybe get a little attention...
and created the scene in the snow
with the trampled footprints
and the butt marks in the snow.
Her car being moved from the location
and back to the church indicates it was foul play.
Whoever did this wanted it to look like a suicide.
So, they left her purse on the seat of the car
after they abducted her and took her.
[interviewer] Did the fact that this Lexus was not in the parking lot,
according to a number of witnesses...
and then was in the parking lot later that evening,
did that particular fact or that evidence...
um, make you think one way or another
about whether or not this was an abduction, suicide,
-something suspicious? -No.
I believe that more than one person abducted my sister JoAnn.
I think they took her to scare her.
I really do think that.
I don't think the intention was to kill her.
If it wasn't a robbery, which it didn't appear to be,
it could've been some sort of an issue
between her and someone else,
a family member, I mean,
'cause most of the time it is family, but not all the time.
Or someone that she knew,
that knew she'd be there,
may have been following her or just knew she was going there.
[man] We definitely know enough that it was not a suicide,
it was a murder.
Once you sit back and reflect, you realize,
"Oh, wow, look... look at all these dots that do not connect."
[Michelle] Initially, I told the police there was potentially several suspects.
One was my father.
My mom and my dad, they were married a long time, 25 years.
Towards the end, the reason they separated
was she just got to a point she was fed up
and she just wanted to live, like, a peaceful, happy life
instead of a toxic, you know, argumentative household.
My dad was really angry that my mom left him.
And so you... There's always that in the back of your mind, like,
"Could he have done something?"
But I wasn't really sure, but still put him on the list.
I asked Michelle to contact David Romain
for the purpose of an interview,
and he declined, uh, to be interviewed.
With my investigation, I didn't find anything that would indicate
he had anything to do with her disappearance.
I told the police my number two suspect is John Matouk, her brother.
I don't think he did anything,
but there could've been people out to get John,
and it could've been a revenge on my mom because of him.
John has an interesting past,
a lot of business deals that hadn't gone right,
and a lot of people that he allegedly owed money to.
[Bill] There was rumors that John had a large amount of money
that he owed to a number of people,
and that this could be a plausible reason for JoAnn's disappearance.
I did speak with him, he says he had nothing to do with it.
And maybe he didn't, maybe it was someone that he was dealing with,
he had some dealings with, I don't know.
[Scott] I think it's entirely possible that John got in trouble with somebody,
and everybody knew that he and JoAnn were very tight.
And in some situations she bailed him out financially.
So, I think if somebody wanted to get back at John Matouk
or send a message to him,
there would be no better way to do it than to kill his sister,
probably the most important person to him.
[John] Well, in 2009 and '10, I was struggling financially.
When the real estate depression hit, it was awful for everybody
that had any real estate liabilities at all.
So, I owed a lot of money to certain people.
It's possible that someone I had dealings with
could have murdered JoAnn.
I can't control that.
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I'm sorry this happened, no matter what.
I wish they would've done this to me.
[Michelle] I told the police my number one suspect was a cousin
that was a cop.
His name was Tim Matouk.
[interviewer] Give me your full name.
Timothy James Matouk.
[Michelle] Tim is a first cousin of my mom.
There is an estranged relationship between Tim and my mom.
We had a big family, a big loving family,
but as soon as my grandma had passed in 1994,
the family just started falling apart.
There was a lawsuit between the siblings
over family inheritance, which was pretty substantial.
Money was supposed to be split five equal ways,
and it was never distributed properly,
and ever since that time,
the family had never been the same.
[interviewer] When was it you last spoke to JoAnn
prior to discovering she was missing?
It was sometime in October of 2009.
[Michelle] Weeks before mom disappeared, Tim Matouk had called my mom
and she got into an argument with him.
And I don't know what he said to her exactly,
but I remember her screaming at him,
saying, "How did you get my number? Never call me again."
I could hear him yelling, but I couldn't hear what he said,
and I heard her say,
"Leave me and my family alone. Never call me again."
She hung up on him and, at that moment,
she turned to me and said, "If something happens to me, look to Tim."
[interviewer] Do you recall the conversation you had with her?
I do.
My cousin Billy had called me and told me
that JoAnn had just said to him
that all of John's problems were because of me.
So, I took exception to that
and I called JoAnn's phone number.
I asked her, I said, "JoAnn, why would you tell people
that I am the reason why John's got so many problems?"
Her response to me was,
"You're nothing but a big troublemaker.
I don't even wanna talk to you." And she hung up the phone.
Throughout all of my interviews, it became apparent
that there was a lot of infighting going on,
and a lot of... a lot of dislike amongst family members,
which again makes it even harder and more difficult
to try to get down to the root cause of JoAnn's disappearance
and subsequent death.
[interviewer] Did you attend the funeral service
of JoAnn Matouk Romain, your cousin?
No, I did not.
Were you specifically asked to avoid that service?
I was.
Who specifically asked that you not attend
and pay respects to your cousin?
It came from John Matouk
and just to avoid any controversy or conflict,
we decided it was better that I don't... I don't go.
It's my understanding that there was probably some personality clashes
between Tim and John.
I think Tim maybe harbored some bad feelings towards John.
There's a lot of family dynamics that come into play
and they feed off of each other.
There was an issue between Tim and John.
They were butting heads.
Tim was always poking his nose into what John was doing.
It's just been ugly between the two of them,
and it always has.
My mom was always kind of like a mentor to John.
So, when John was having an issue,
or especially this battle he had going on with Tim,
I felt like my mom was trying to be,
you know, the mediator, the peacekeeper
of the drama that was going on.
In the back of my mind,
I just keep rehashing that conversation she had with me regarding...
Tim.
The conversation, and the fight on the phone.
Even though I don't know what the content of the reason he's calling her is,
but I do know that she has a fear of him and now she's gone.
[interviewer] Did you, at any point in time, conspire with anyone
to have JoAnn Matouk Romain murdered?
No, I did not.
[Bill] I did speak with, uh... Tim Matouk,
and, uh... I found him to be credible.
I didn't find anything that would indicate he had
anything to do with her disappearance.
[interviewer] Was there a time the department considered
a crime may have been committed against Ms. Romain?
No, sir.
[interviewer] Do you have a belief as to how Ms. Romain died?
My belief is, uh, she committed suicide.
What I mean, not just that she committed suicide,
how did she do it?
By drowning, walked in the water.
[interviewer] You think she walked into the water and just kept walking?
[Daniel] I don't know. I believe she entered the water.
How far she walked without falling or whatever, I don't know.
We have no witnesses.
Knowing the history of her youngest brother
and the stress he may have brought into the relationship,
knowing the history of the family divided between half the family
against the other half of the family,
these are all things that could lead a reasonable person,
such as myself in this field,
to believe these are major stressors that could... could lead to a suicide.
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[Bill] In my years in law enforcement,
we don't operate on theories, we operate on facts.
All the facts that I've obtained through my interviews
indicate to me that...
I can't determine.
I can't determine whether she took her own life
or whether it was done through other criminal means.
[Kellie] My mom was a very strong spirit.
As much as we miss her every day,
we still feel her around, a lot.
So, I don't really feel like she's completely gone.
If that makes any sense at all.
[John] She gave me this rosary that I keep with me.
She wanted me to, you know, have faith.
I think about her often.
I'm never gonna move on until...
this gets exposed and solved,
and we get justice for her, and we put certain people
that I believe are responsible for the murder of my sister
where they should be. Prison.
[Michelle] The day that she disappeared, we lost everything.
It's... empty.
You don't have that love anymore, you don't have that light.
I miss everything.
But just, you know, that... that warmth and love
and just comfort that she would give us,
and, that's something you can never really get back.
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