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This is just a couple of days
before Lena went missing.
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Just...
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She was like, "Oh, I look so horrible."
I'm like, "No, you don't."
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"But thanks for taking the picture
with me."
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She looks beautiful.
I mean, she had no makeup on.
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She was just, you know, Lena.
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Obviously, if I would've known
what my mom was capable of doing...
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I miss her.
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I miss her so much it kills me.
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My sister Lena went missing in 2006.
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She was living in an apartment
with her boyfriend Jason.
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I showed up randomly one day,
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but Lena wasn't there.
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And Jason, he said,
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"Oh, your sister took off with a boyfriend
to Florida,"
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and I'm like, "I don't...
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I mean, how?"
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And he's like,
"Well, that's what your mom said.
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That's what Sandy said happened.
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She said she ran off with, uh,
some guy to Florida."
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It just seemed crazy.
She didn't take any of her clothes.
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Lena didn't take any of her photo albums,
and she had a lot of pictures.
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That was her thing,
she'd take pictures of everything.
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And she would not have left her son,
Colter.
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She loved her son.
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She loved him very much.
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She wanted to give him the best.
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Lena wouldn't have left without him.
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As soon as I heard that my mom had Colter,
I knew something was wrong.
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I knew my mom had done something.
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Lena was reported missing.
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And when I interviewed
other family members,
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they told me that Lena's stuff
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just sat out on the back porch
of the house,
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uh, till it got basically ruined.
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She had a son here that she loved.
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So, to me, that's not a story
of someone moving to Florida
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and leaving most of your possessions
here in Missouri.
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And so I reached out to Brandi,
Lena's sister,
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to learn what happened, uh,
the day she disappeared.
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And she told me in great detail
about her childhood growing up,
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about what that was like.
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And she told me her theory
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of what she believed happened to Lena.
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We were poor all our lives.
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We really had to struggle.
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And mom was always the one that worked.
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She never let us go without food.
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I mean, our whole childhood,
you know, she's like,
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"We gotta stick together
and we'll get through it."
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My mom was a good mom growing up.
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She was very straightlaced.
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Never done a drug,
smoked a cigarette, alcohol, nothing.
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My whole life. She just wasn't like that.
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And she would always tell us
every single night,
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"God bless you and love you."
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Every night.
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That's the mom I remember,
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and I miss that mom, so much.
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But... what can you do?
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There were six of us:
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me and Lena,
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Robin, Jeanne, Rachel, and Rosey.
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I'm the oldest, so...
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Lena was the second oldest.
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I was the good one.
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Lena was the more ornery.
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Lena was more of the take charge,
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kinda, tell us what to do.
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Try to boss us around.
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She was a mouthy little thing.
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A scrapper, sometimes.
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I mean, we always got in each other's way
and each other's faces,
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but everybody liked her.
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She was really, like,
a bubbly, fun person.
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She had a really positive attitude and--
and she talked really fast.
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She was very outspoken.
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You didn't have to think
about what was on her mind,
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it just came out.
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Lena was more the one that...
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always got in trouble.
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Man, we fought so much growing up.
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My mom would be like, "Take it outside."
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But we'd never touch each other's face.
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That was the rule.
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We never hit each other in the face.
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There was a lot of hard days.
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There was a lot more hard days
than there was easy days.
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I think the hardest part
of growing up for me is...
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not knowing what's gonna happen next.
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Where we're gonna be living.
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We moved around a lot.
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I remember when I was young,
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my mom would meet different people
wanting--
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She'd be with one man,
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and then she'd start a job or something,
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and she'd meet someone else
and then they'd sneak around,
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and she'd leave that one
and hook up with this one and...
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And then...
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we'd all be loading up and moving in
somewhere else, with someone new.
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She used her sex appeal...
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a lot.
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And that's a lot of the reason why men...
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gravitate towards her.
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And she never did stay
with one particular man
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for more than two years.
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And she always went after
the married ones.
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Or...
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ones that had brothers.
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I'd been divorced and single
for quite some time
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and Sandy and I,
we went on a date or two, and...
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and, uh, that's how we got acquainted.
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But anyway, I'll describe Sandy,
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she's damn good at having people around,
and saying the right thing, uh...
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Good talker, she really was.
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She was very good, um...
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at telling people what they want to hear
and whatnot.
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I was ten
when her and Albert got together.
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Albert's a good dude.
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Albert was a really good stepfather to us.
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Mom was going to school to be a nurse.
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So she was never home.
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And Albert raised us.
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Albert was more of the--
more the fun, laid-back type.
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He put us in gymnastics and aerobics
and, like, we got to play sports.
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And I do remember going to the river
and stuff with Albert
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and doing fun things like that.
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I was pretty close to them kids,
but, you know, like I say...
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I was married to...
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Sandy there and...
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first two or three years wasn't too bad,
but, uh,
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then she got to fooling around
and I didn't know quite who it was and...
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it ended up being Gary.
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My brother.
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Yup.
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Me and him had a little fist fight
down there, on the ridge and...
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he beat the tar out of me
and I beat the tar out of him and...
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I had him pinned down there,
at one point and...
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Sandy walked up behind me
and hit me in the back with a damn stick.
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Knocked the breath out of me.
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But I finally talked to Gary
and I told him, I said,
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"Man, I'm-- I'm done." I said...
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"That girl ain't nothing but trouble,
you'd better leave it alone."
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We all left Albert's home in Arkansas,
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and we moved back to Missouri
with his brother, Gary.
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Our lives completely changed
when Gary come into our lives.
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We had to work our butts off.
I mean, we cut wood,
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-had chickens, cows, horses.
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They weren't gonna feed themselves,
so, we were taught to take care of them.
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He made sure the girls were involved.
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Each one of them
had their own little chore.
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And when they were done, he'd take
all them into town for ice cream.
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He just enjoyed kids, you know,
and kids enjoyed him.
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The kids always loved to see him coming.
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We lived with him for three years.
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And he taught us things
that I'll never forget it.
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-I'm disciplined.
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I don't depend on any man
to do anything for me.
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And, um, I value that.
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Gary's a good guy. He's a good guy.
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Just got mixed up with the wrong person.
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And that's it.
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Sandy has a pattern of behavior
of jumping from one man to another.
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And then once she's got him,
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she gets bored with that guy
and she moves on to the next guy.
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So, Gary and Sandy are living a life,
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and then after a few years,
this cycle begins again,
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where she's married to Gary,
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and then she notices
somebody named Kris Klemp,
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who's much younger,
some would say more handsome.
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And he comes from a family
that's got quite a bit of money
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and they own quite a bit of property.
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And it becomes clear that
Sandy is no longer interested in Gary,
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and she begins having an affair with Kris.
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I met my mom's boyfriend, Kris,
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and I'm thinking,
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"Oh! Gary's gonna whip his little butt."
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You know?
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Kris was like a little bitty twig.
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I mean, Gary was the whole tree.
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Gary was country.
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He was a homebody.
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But at the same time, I mean,
he wasn't stupid.
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And Gary didn't wanna deal with Sandy
running around there on him.
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I could tell he was hurt more than...
than mad.
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He called me one day to tell me that
Sandy had been running around on him,
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but moreover he had been arrested
for passing bad checks.
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And he had figured out
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that Sandy had passed those checks,
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and he was very upset about that.
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He said,
"I'm gonna have to file for a divorce."
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And then, the next thing I knew of
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was that Gary went missing.
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He was a hard worker, he really was.
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And Gary never missed work
'cause he couldn't afford to miss work.
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So when he didn't show up to work,
you know there, a couple days,
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we knew something was bad... bad wrong.
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Immediately to--
to everybody that knew him,
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we wasn't looking
for Gary being gone somewhere,
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we were looking for-- for Gary's body.
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And I had to talk to the sheriff
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because Gary brought a gun
over to the house one day.
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He said,
"Take this gun, put it somewhere."
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He said, "She let on like she was gonna
kill me with that." You know, and...
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He told me, he said,
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"She actually stuck that in my belly
and pulled the trigger."
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But I broke it open...
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and it had a shell in it.
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I said, "You said this wasn't loaded."
I said, "It's got a shell in it."
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And he said,
"I always unload my gun after I shoot it."
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And I said, "Well, you didn't this time,
because it's still in there."
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So I took my pliers out of my pocket,
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and I went to pulling it out.
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The powder started spilling out of it,
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and I said, "Gary, this is a live round."
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When I showed it to him,
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the look on his face,
I ain't never forgot it.
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It dawned on him
that she stuck that in his belly
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and pulled the trigger.
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He said, "If that had been a good shell,
I wouldn't be standing here right now."
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That's the last time that I seen him,
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was that day.
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I was contacted by Robert McCullough,
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who told me that he was concerned
that his cousin Gary was missing
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and something bad had happened to him,
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and said that he had not been seen
by anybody in the family
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for a couple of days.
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I went to Gary McCullough's house
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to see if somebody was at home.
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Noticed that one of Gary's cows was out.
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And we were in the process
of putting the cow up,
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when Sandy McCullough
and her daughter, Lena, pulled up,
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wanting to know what we were doing.
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When I asked her if there was anything
that I needed to know about
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that might be happening in her life,
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she said, "Well, yeah,
I've been meaning to call you.
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Um, my husband has gone off
and he's not been home for two days."
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She told me
he was going to Diamond, Missouri
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to buy some fighting roosters.
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I asked her if she wanted to make
a missing person's report.
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And she said that
she probably needed to do that.
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We left and I had Gary McCullough entered
as a missing person.
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The following week,
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I obtained a search warrant,
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and we went back
to Gary McCullough's house.
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Sandy wasn't happy that we were there,
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but we spent quite a bit of time
at the house,
248
00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:12,703
and made some pretty startling
discoveries.
249
00:15:13,203 --> 00:15:16,081
I don't believe we found any clothes
that belonged to Gary McCullough
250
00:15:16,165 --> 00:15:17,333
in that house.
251
00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:19,960
I don't think we found anything
that would indicate
252
00:15:20,502 --> 00:15:23,672
Gary was even ever living there
253
00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:25,758
or was planning to come back.
254
00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:29,845
But there was a checkbook
belonging to Kristopher Klemp.
255
00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:31,138
And...
256
00:15:31,555 --> 00:15:34,808
we find out
that Kristopher is a boyfriend of Sandy.
257
00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:37,895
I believe after two days
of the investigation,
258
00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:41,106
Kristopher Klemp moves into the house
with Sandy.
259
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Which was strange.
260
00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,865
Immediately after this thing started,
261
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I asked Sandy to take a polygraph.
262
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She looks me straight in the eye,
263
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:58,540
and says, "You find a body,
and I'll take a polygraph."
264
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I knew at that point,
265
00:16:05,673 --> 00:16:07,883
we're gonna have to go through
a needle in a haystack
266
00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,093
to try to find a body.
267
00:16:10,844 --> 00:16:12,638
I wanted to interview the kids,
268
00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:17,184
just to see what they thought
had happened to Gary.
269
00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:23,023
Lena, who was 13 or 14 years old,
was very hostile.
270
00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:26,193
It was obvious that she was very close
with Sandy,
271
00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,071
and she was very defensive of her mother,
272
00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:33,701
and very antagonistic towards us.
273
00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:37,287
It was just very obvious
that mom ruled the house,
274
00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:39,456
and Lena was the number two person.
275
00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:45,004
And when Lena told the younger kids
to do something, they did it.
276
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I remember going into a room with--
277
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I mean there was a whole table
full of... people.
278
00:16:56,932 --> 00:16:58,726
They were asking me questions.
279
00:16:59,309 --> 00:17:01,937
I remember my sister Lena was telling me
and my sisters
280
00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,314
to be quiet
and mind your own business and...
281
00:17:05,315 --> 00:17:08,277
we weren't supposed to talk about
what happened when Gary went missing.
282
00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:13,991
My mom had us lie for her
our entire lives.
283
00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,869
Always, always. Didn't matter what it was.
284
00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:19,496
So we never talked about it.
285
00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:20,414
Never.
286
00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:22,833
I remember that day.
287
00:17:24,209 --> 00:17:25,794
It's like it happened yesterday.
288
00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:27,004
I'll never forget it.
289
00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,298
Never, for the rest of my life.
290
00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:37,848
When got home from school,
291
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,768
my mom, she met us at the door.
292
00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:44,730
And she's like,
"Girls, a cat had kittens in the field.
293
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Go, look for 'em."
294
00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:47,941
Every one of my sisters went,
295
00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:50,069
except me, I had to milk cows.
296
00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:52,946
After a minute passed by,
I was sitting on the porch, and I'm like,
297
00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,616
"Mom, I've got to get inside the house.
298
00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:58,952
I've got to.
I gotta get my supplies to milk cows."
299
00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:01,997
Finally, I'm like,
you know what, I'm going in.
300
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:06,502
And I see her on her hands and knees.
301
00:18:07,503 --> 00:18:10,839
She was scrubbing the floor
with what appeared to be bleach water.
302
00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:14,968
She had shorts on
and her hair back in a ponytail.
303
00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:16,804
She never wore her hair in a ponytail.
304
00:18:17,596 --> 00:18:18,430
It was strange.
305
00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:22,309
And then, that night,
306
00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:25,729
my mom sat us all at the kitchen table
307
00:18:25,813 --> 00:18:27,606
and said, "Hey, listen, girls,
308
00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:30,484
if you are asked from anybody,
309
00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:32,402
Gary went to go buy a fighting rooster
310
00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,530
and you guys had spaghetti that night
for dinner,
311
00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:36,031
and you haven't seen him since.
312
00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,451
It's what it is, what the story is.
313
00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:42,287
If you say exactly what I'm telling you,
314
00:18:43,705 --> 00:18:44,832
everything will be fine."
315
00:18:47,543 --> 00:18:48,961
That night, Sandy told Lena
316
00:18:49,044 --> 00:18:51,171
to make sure none of us
come out of the bedroom.
317
00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:53,715
And Lena had fallen asleep
in front of the door,
318
00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:57,094
and, even as young as I was,
I still remember something wasn't right.
319
00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:59,138
And in our room there was a window,
320
00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,308
and I seen Mom and Kris struggling,
321
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:06,895
trying to carry,
trying to pull something big.
322
00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:08,647
I mean...
323
00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:14,069
It was Gary, no doubt, but...
you know, he was wrapped up in something.
324
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:17,197
You could see his--
the boots that he had had on, but...
325
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:19,575
It scared me, bad.
326
00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:23,370
I didn't even talk about it
until I got much older and...
327
00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:29,001
I was able to talk to Detective, uh,
Epperly and Martin about it.
328
00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:34,256
But at the time, Lena was telling us,
329
00:19:34,339 --> 00:19:37,342
"You can't say nothing about what happened
to Gary 'cause, you know,
330
00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,094
if so,
they're gonna take you guys from me,
331
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,763
and they're gonna put you guys
in a bunch of different foster homes
332
00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:42,764
and, you know."
333
00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:46,602
Lena's biggest thing was
she didn't want us to be separated,
334
00:19:46,685 --> 00:19:49,688
'cause she figured if we were separated
then we'd never see each other again.
335
00:19:49,771 --> 00:19:51,565
And she couldn't let that happen.
336
00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,693
I had to keep what I knew quiet.
337
00:19:59,406 --> 00:20:02,492
Gary went missing in May
and we moved to St. Louis, all of us.
338
00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:05,871
We only stayed in St. Louis for a year,
339
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,917
then moved to Sligo, um, the next August.
340
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:15,339
Sandy and Kris, they got married
while we were in St. Louis.
341
00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:21,470
When we first moved to Sligo,
342
00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:23,597
Lena was working a couple different jobs,
343
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,391
and still living down in Sligo
with my mom.
344
00:20:28,518 --> 00:20:30,145
She became more, I don't know...
345
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:31,063
on edge.
346
00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:32,356
She became more distant.
347
00:20:34,024 --> 00:20:35,776
There was two sides to Lena.
348
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,028
For the most part,
349
00:20:38,528 --> 00:20:40,864
she wanted, like,
the little house out in the country,
350
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:42,699
and-- and the family and stuff.
351
00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:45,160
But on the other side of it,
352
00:20:46,828 --> 00:20:48,872
like when I met her, we'd go to parties.
353
00:20:48,956 --> 00:20:50,582
She wasn't into the drugs and stuff.
354
00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:51,875
She wouldn't even drink.
355
00:20:53,126 --> 00:20:55,879
But later on, she got into that stuff.
356
00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,132
You could tell there was something...
357
00:20:59,466 --> 00:21:01,802
that pulled her that way,
you know what I mean?
358
00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:04,429
But back then,
I didn't really realize what it was.
359
00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:07,015
She just lost herself for a while.
360
00:21:09,142 --> 00:21:10,686
You'd catch her staring off to space,
361
00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,854
and you'd ask her what's wrong,
and then, you know,
362
00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:15,107
you could tell
she was really thinking about something,
363
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:17,025
because, you know,
she'd be tearied and she'd...
364
00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:18,652
dry her eyes and...
365
00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:21,655
brush it off like nothing had happened.
366
00:21:23,031 --> 00:21:24,825
She was really lonely.
367
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,244
And you can tell that.
368
00:21:28,745 --> 00:21:31,164
I think she had come
to the point in her life
369
00:21:31,707 --> 00:21:34,543
to where she needed to talk about
what she was holding inside.
370
00:21:39,339 --> 00:21:42,801
Ultimately, Lena confided in a boyfriend
371
00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:46,430
and he was persuading her, saying,
372
00:21:46,513 --> 00:21:51,643
"Lena, you know, you've got family
over there that need to know something.
373
00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,937
If Gary's never gonna be coming home,
374
00:21:54,021 --> 00:21:56,982
if he's gone and you know it,
and you know what happened,
375
00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:58,525
you're gonna have to tell them."
376
00:21:58,608 --> 00:22:02,779
She said, "Okay," you know,
that she would, she would tell Albert.
377
00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:03,780
She liked Albert.
378
00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:06,366
He had been her stepdad,
you know, before Gary was,
379
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,993
and she thought a lot of Albert.
380
00:22:09,536 --> 00:22:11,705
Something wasn't right with Lena.
381
00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:13,332
Something...
382
00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,334
was eating at that girl so bad,
383
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,211
she just had to get it off her mind.
384
00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,015
When Lena come talk to me there,
385
00:22:31,641 --> 00:22:34,019
she was 17 years old at the time.
386
00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:37,105
I had a brand-new recorder, and, uh...
387
00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:41,193
I asked, uh, Lena there,
388
00:22:41,276 --> 00:22:43,528
after we'd talked a little while, I said,
389
00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:45,739
"I wanna know
who in the hell killed my brother, Gary."
390
00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:49,386
She was telling me the truth.
391
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,139
At a young age like that,
392
00:23:52,222 --> 00:23:55,851
she wanted me to know,
she wanted to just get it off of her mind.
393
00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:58,395
I mean, that girl,
she sat there and talked to me that night,
394
00:23:58,478 --> 00:24:00,313
and she was trembling, just shaking.
395
00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:02,232
And, uh...
396
00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,402
she wanted me to know
what happened to Gary.
397
00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:07,446
'Cause she known.
398
00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:22,187
Sandy just trusted her more
than she did them other girls,
399
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,396
thinking, maybe,
400
00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:27,317
wouldn't nark her out because,
you know, that was her mom.
401
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,194
She didn't wanna get her in trouble,
but she...
402
00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:31,196
knew it wasn't right,
what her mom had done.
403
00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:35,200
When Albert recorded that tape,
404
00:25:35,784 --> 00:25:37,536
I thought, here was proof,
405
00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:41,706
direct proof from somebody
who knew what happened to Gary.
406
00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:46,002
It was a good feeling to know,
you know, we had this.
407
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:47,796
There wouldn't be any denying it.
408
00:25:48,338 --> 00:25:50,715
And we called the sheriff,
and he came and picked it up.
409
00:25:54,678 --> 00:25:55,887
Who killed Gary?
410
00:25:58,265 --> 00:25:59,099
Mom.
411
00:26:00,725 --> 00:26:05,105
Steve McCullough, attorney,
contacted me about the recording.
412
00:26:05,855 --> 00:26:07,941
And I think, "Okay, we got the case now."
413
00:26:08,275 --> 00:26:11,695
I mean, there's as about
as good a confession, you know.
414
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:15,156
The next day, Sandy's lawyered her up.
415
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:20,161
Lena was supposed to come back
in a day or two, and come to find out,
416
00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:22,872
her mom had found out
she'd come down and talked to me.
417
00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:24,499
They both lawyered up.
418
00:26:25,792 --> 00:26:29,004
I wonder what-- what the hell
you'd need a lawyer for?
419
00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:30,922
Guilty, guilty, guilty.
420
00:26:33,008 --> 00:26:34,968
A lawyer that was hired by Sandy
421
00:26:35,051 --> 00:26:37,387
convinces Lena
to walk her confession back.
422
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:40,724
And so,
what does the confession really mean?
423
00:26:40,807 --> 00:26:41,891
I mean, you've got it taped.
424
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,644
But if the subject themselves
is walking it back,
425
00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:47,522
ultimately, it's just another claim.
426
00:26:48,148 --> 00:26:50,275
It's a he-said, she-said situation.
427
00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:57,616
This is the kind of case
that will just keep you up at night
428
00:26:57,699 --> 00:26:59,576
and will drive you crazy,
429
00:27:00,243 --> 00:27:05,040
because I honestly think I know
exactly what happened to Gary McCullough.
430
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,251
I think I know exactly who did it.
431
00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:12,714
I think I know
how Gary McCullough was disposed of.
432
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:17,427
And... there's nothing I can do,
433
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,930
because knowing and proving
are two different things.
434
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:26,811
When Lena come forward,
you know, put a little hope in it.
435
00:27:28,229 --> 00:27:30,899
But it just went cold as cold, you know?
436
00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:32,692
It-- It was hard, real hard.
437
00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:35,236
Because, um...
438
00:27:35,945 --> 00:27:37,489
I know who killed my brother.
439
00:27:38,031 --> 00:27:39,449
Ain't a doubt in my mind.
440
00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:43,036
It's just weird.
441
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:47,123
Your whole life, you're believing that
your mom could never hurt a single soul.
442
00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:50,168
So, I had questions for many years.
443
00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:53,922
Is she really capable of murder?
444
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,261
And then one day, I was with Lena,
445
00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:03,556
she just opened up to me.
446
00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:08,436
She told me the story about...
447
00:28:09,437 --> 00:28:10,855
how mom killed Gary.
448
00:28:26,871 --> 00:28:28,623
And I'm like, "Are you kidding me?"
449
00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:31,292
I didn't know what to say, but nothing.
450
00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:34,337
Next day,
451
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:36,381
I got in a fight with my mom.
452
00:28:37,465 --> 00:28:39,300
I got so mad at her.
453
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:40,635
I mean, I was calling her names.
454
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,429
I was-- And then I threatened her,
455
00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:43,930
"I'm gonna call the police
456
00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:46,725
and tell them every single thing you did.
457
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:47,642
I know."
458
00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:51,563
And she just looked at me, and she said,
459
00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:52,981
"Get in the truck."
460
00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:57,861
So I got in the back of the truck,
461
00:28:58,153 --> 00:28:59,696
up against the truck bed,
462
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,823
and we took a drive.
463
00:29:05,452 --> 00:29:07,036
It was the middle of the night,
464
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,079
it was really dark.
465
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,124
All of a sudden,
we stop in the middle of the road,
466
00:29:11,624 --> 00:29:12,917
and Kris gets out.
467
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,629
I look over to my right-hand side and...
468
00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:19,632
there's a gun facing at my head.
469
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:22,844
It was the scariest moment
I've ever had in my life.
470
00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:25,180
And I jump over the bed.
471
00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:28,808
All of a sudden,
472
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:32,395
I find myself looking at my mom.
473
00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:38,234
She can see me screaming,
474
00:29:38,318 --> 00:29:40,278
and she never even looked at me.
475
00:29:42,071 --> 00:29:44,908
She looked straight ahead
like she was dead to the world.
476
00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:56,503
It was so hard,
because I didn't know what to do.
477
00:29:56,586 --> 00:29:59,214
If I ran, she would have--
they would have killed me.
478
00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:01,549
I didn't know where I was.
479
00:30:02,425 --> 00:30:03,259
So...
480
00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:08,306
I did what I thought was the best idea,
and it was.
481
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:11,893
I said, "Well, maybe her door's unlocked.
482
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:15,271
If her door's unlocked,
I can just get in with her
483
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,024
and hold her,
'cause he can't shoot both of us."
484
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:22,529
And I did, and it was unlocked,
485
00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,864
and I just grabbed her so tightly.
486
00:30:25,865 --> 00:30:28,952
And I said,
"Please don't let him hurt me."
487
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,456
She, for like, I feel like forever, but--
488
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,042
probably about ten seconds or 20 seconds,
489
00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:37,877
she's like, "Don't hurt my baby."
490
00:30:43,132 --> 00:30:45,218
When she said that, he put the gun down,
491
00:30:47,136 --> 00:30:49,889
got in, and we drove back to her house.
492
00:30:56,062 --> 00:30:57,105
Before that night,
493
00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:01,442
I never would have thought
she could've hurt anybody.
494
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,617
After that moment,
495
00:31:10,326 --> 00:31:13,121
I didn't wanna say nothing
'cause I didn't wanna risk my life.
496
00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:15,373
And that's what Lena did.
497
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:17,834
After she made the confession,
498
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,087
she never said anything again.
499
00:31:27,802 --> 00:31:31,431
A little later on,
Lena had her son, Colter.
500
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,518
And that was it. That was her priority.
I mean, she wanted to give him the best.
501
00:31:36,227 --> 00:31:38,980
And after that, she didn't want
to talk about what happened to Gary.
502
00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,108
She just wanted to work
and provide for him,
503
00:31:42,191 --> 00:31:45,236
and so she got more jobs
than she could probably handle.
504
00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:46,487
And so,
505
00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:49,449
Sandy would take care of Colter
while Lena would work.
506
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:54,579
Lena was done being a child or a teen,
507
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:56,289
and time to grow up.
508
00:31:56,956 --> 00:31:59,792
She was gonna settle down, raise her kid.
509
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:03,087
She was doing really well for a few years.
510
00:32:05,673 --> 00:32:07,508
A lot has changed at the Barry County Farm
511
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,135
where Gary McCullough once lived.
512
00:32:09,218 --> 00:32:11,179
In 1999, his wife said,
513
00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:13,973
"He went out to buy chickens in Diamond,
and never returned."
514
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:17,060
His stepdaughter, Lena,
was 13 at the time.
515
00:32:17,352 --> 00:32:20,063
A few years later,
she visited one of Gary's brothers.
516
00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:21,731
He taped the conversation
517
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:25,944
where Lena allegedly said Gary,
her stepfather, was murdered.
518
00:32:26,235 --> 00:32:30,156
Great evidence, but that has not produced
a criminal charge today.
519
00:32:34,327 --> 00:32:36,496
By the point we get to 2006,
520
00:32:36,996 --> 00:32:38,998
Lena had plans of getting married.
521
00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:42,293
She's finding a man
that could be a role model for her son,
522
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:45,546
and she wants to become
financially independent of Sandy.
523
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:50,093
But, ultimately, Lena being independent
was the greatest threat to Sandy.
524
00:32:50,718 --> 00:32:54,055
Because if Lena
is fully independent of Sandy,
525
00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:56,349
then Lena can say what she knows.
526
00:32:56,891 --> 00:33:00,853
So, there's this rising tension
between Sandy and Lena
527
00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:05,692
that really hits a peak
when the lawsuit is filed.
528
00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:12,615
It was becoming clear
there wasn't a criminal case, uh, filed,
529
00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:15,785
and maybe never gonna be filed,
for Gary's death.
530
00:33:16,244 --> 00:33:19,789
So, we decided to file a civil case
for the McCullough family.
531
00:33:20,748 --> 00:33:23,751
It was the only thing we could do,
532
00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,463
you know,
for somebody to say they're responsible.
533
00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:32,260
We were alleging wrongful death
534
00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,888
and that Sandy and Kris Klemp
killed Gary McCullough,
535
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:38,725
and that Lena was,
in effect, an accessory.
536
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:42,395
She conspired
and helped get rid of the body.
537
00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:46,816
Uh, and, by reason of that,
I thought, uh, there was a good chance
538
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:50,236
Lena would get immunity
for her own actions
539
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,238
in exchange for providing testimony
540
00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,782
against the people
who were truly responsible.
541
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:56,784
That was the hope.
542
00:33:57,493 --> 00:33:59,704
As it turns out,
it didn't work out that way.
543
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:04,167
When Gary's daughters
filed their civil lawsuit,
544
00:34:04,625 --> 00:34:07,462
and Dent County deputies deliver
the court summons,
545
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:10,965
they find Kris and they find Sandy,
546
00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:13,968
but Lena's nowhere to be found.
547
00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:15,636
And so they ask Sandy,
548
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:18,890
"Well, where's Lena at?
We need to deliver these court summons."
549
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:23,478
And so Sandy tells this story
that Lena had run off to Florida
550
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:25,396
and she was down there with some guy.
551
00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:31,778
When Lena went missing,
552
00:34:31,861 --> 00:34:36,032
mom had told me
Lena went to Florida with another guy.
553
00:34:36,115 --> 00:34:37,700
I was hanging out with Lena at the time.
554
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:41,287
I knew who she was seeing
and who she wasn't.
555
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:43,331
And there was no guy from Florida.
556
00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:47,794
My mom was telling us
that Lena said bad things about us.
557
00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:50,421
And didn't want nothing
to do with us anymore.
558
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:53,299
So, we're just waiting
to see if she came back.
559
00:34:53,508 --> 00:34:54,842
Then, after time had passed,
560
00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:58,012
there was no sign at all of Lena, nothing.
561
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:00,473
And then, it's like,
"Okay, now we have a problem."
562
00:35:01,307 --> 00:35:03,476
They called and told me Lena was missing.
563
00:35:03,684 --> 00:35:05,269
First thing that popped in my mind...
564
00:35:05,853 --> 00:35:06,687
was Sandy.
565
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:11,192
'Cause Lena-- Lena knew enough, could--
buddy, she coulda had the keys.
566
00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:13,111
I mean, locked up.
567
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:15,530
And Sandy wasn't gonna have that.
568
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,240
Lena could've...
569
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,201
busted the whole thing wide open.
570
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:26,958
I was able to talk to, um,
the cops and I told them that...
571
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:30,795
I knew my mom had done it again.
I knew she had done something.
572
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:37,760
I posted missing person flyers of Lena
around Salem.
573
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:44,350
But I found out my mom was paying
my little sister five dollars a piece
574
00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:45,476
to take 'em down.
575
00:35:46,644 --> 00:35:48,020
Why would someone pay
576
00:35:48,104 --> 00:35:51,023
to have their daughter's
missing person posters taken down?
577
00:35:53,484 --> 00:35:55,361
And so, later on, I called her.
578
00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:59,240
I called her on the phone, and I told her,
I said, "You know, I know...
579
00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:02,243
I know you're the reason Lena's not here.
580
00:36:03,035 --> 00:36:04,579
You know, you messed up this time.
581
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,998
Now it's one of my sisters." You know.
582
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,668
Um, "I'm gonna be the one that finds out,
one way or another,
583
00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:11,752
whether it's Gary or Lena,
584
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:14,422
I'm gonna be the one that finds out
and makes sure you rot."
585
00:36:14,922 --> 00:36:16,048
And she...
586
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:18,259
put her little fake voice on
like she always did,
587
00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:19,802
and she was like, you know,
588
00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,138
"How could you say that?" You know.
589
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:24,265
"I'm your mother,
don't talk to me that way."
590
00:36:24,348 --> 00:36:26,642
And I told her she wasn't nothing and...
591
00:36:27,643 --> 00:36:28,603
then I hung up.
592
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:39,405
I've told both detectives
from Barry County,
593
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:44,952
the reason why Lena went missing
was because Lena made a confession tape.
594
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,247
And because of the trial that was coming,
595
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,208
my mom was scared.
596
00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:55,129
Even though Mom had drove her
to recant her confession,
597
00:36:55,713 --> 00:36:57,840
what would make her think
that she wouldn't...
598
00:36:58,257 --> 00:37:01,469
just follow through with it
now that she's of age and able to?
599
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,848
Mom knew if Lena was gone,
600
00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:10,186
Mom would get what she wanted
by not being exposed
601
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:12,021
for the murder of her ex-husband,
602
00:37:12,104 --> 00:37:14,190
and she would also get her son.
603
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:19,195
Based off of my interviews
with Brandi and Robin,
604
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:23,157
I believe Sandy had two motives
for making Lena disappear.
605
00:37:24,116 --> 00:37:27,203
Lena helped make Gary disappear.
606
00:37:27,828 --> 00:37:30,081
She had first-hand knowledge
of what happened.
607
00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,876
And if Lena talked,
what that could potentially do.
608
00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:37,421
Also, she had a son, Colter,
609
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,132
that Sandy desperately wanted.
610
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:43,094
So much that Sandy would, by accounts,
611
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:44,929
make him call her "Mom."
612
00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:50,184
When my mom found out Colter was a boy,
613
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,435
like, everything changed.
614
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,272
She started becoming more obsessive
and possessive.
615
00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:58,192
She tried taking over control of Colter,
616
00:37:58,276 --> 00:37:59,986
because she's always wanted a boy.
617
00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:00,903
She had six girls.
618
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:03,322
She wanted Colter to be hers,
619
00:38:04,031 --> 00:38:07,201
and she had it in her mind
that she was Colter's mom.
620
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:11,455
My mom,
she knew that if Lena was gone,
621
00:38:11,539 --> 00:38:14,292
she would finally get the rights
to her son.
622
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:16,669
So when Lena went missing,
623
00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:18,921
my mom filed abandonment charges.
624
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,882
Lena wasn't there to defend herself,
625
00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,802
so, the court was like,
"Well, she ain't here, so...
626
00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,763
I guess she is abandoning her child."
627
00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:30,433
My mom knew that she wasn't gonna
show up for court.
628
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,310
She just knew, so...
629
00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:34,770
she got it, she got what she wanted.
630
00:38:49,118 --> 00:38:53,956
At trial, the jury saw
Sandy's own children take the stand
631
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,584
and implicate her in a murder plot.
632
00:38:58,169 --> 00:39:00,880
Brandi's testimony at the trial
was particularly powerful,
633
00:39:00,963 --> 00:39:03,424
because by the time
that this trial is held,
634
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:05,634
she is fully independent of Sandy.
635
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,389
And I stood in court
for two hours, you know,
636
00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:13,934
and I'm like, "Listen, I can tell you
every single thing that happened.
637
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,979
Like, my mom and Kris pulled a gun on me."
638
00:39:17,938 --> 00:39:19,315
That was a big step.
639
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,526
I didn't think I would ever
be able to go against my mom like I did.
640
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:24,236
And I did, and I felt good about it.
641
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,822
'Cause I think those family--
the family of Gary...
642
00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:30,451
um, it's important for them
643
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,536
to have some sort of peace.
644
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,456
And I think-- I thought
I was the only person to give them that.
645
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:39,001
When Brandi got up there,
646
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:40,795
a friend of mine was in there
the whole time,
647
00:39:40,878 --> 00:39:44,632
and he said he seen several of them jurors
wiping tears out of their eyes.
648
00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:48,135
Ultimately, the verdict in the civil trial
649
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:50,721
was that Kris and Sandy were found liable
650
00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:53,140
of knowingly taking the life
of Gary McCullough.
651
00:40:15,037 --> 00:40:17,540
I haven't seen Colter
since he was in kindergarten.
652
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:19,708
Colter's living with my mom.
653
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,712
He was homeschooled for a long time,
654
00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:26,340
'cause mom didn't want him
going to school and finding out...
655
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:28,342
that-- what the truth is.
656
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,178
But when he's old enough,
657
00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:34,473
my sisters are definitely
gonna tell him the truth.
658
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,518
I can't stand
that she wakes up every single day
659
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:39,353
smiling and raising my nephew
660
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:40,354
like her own.
661
00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:43,816
And my sister is not able to do that.
662
00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,404
And that breaks my heart.
663
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:52,491
Now that my sister is gone,
664
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,578
I will spend every single day of my life
665
00:40:55,661 --> 00:40:58,998
trying to put my mom away.
666
00:41:00,791 --> 00:41:02,209
I'm not afraid.
667
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:04,378
I can't be afraid.
668
00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:06,297
'Cause if I was afraid,
669
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:08,591
there'd be nothing done.
670
00:41:10,426 --> 00:41:13,012
I will spend every single day of my life
671
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,474
trying to find Lena.
672
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:25,733
We know that Kris and Sandy
had access to two properties.
673
00:41:25,941 --> 00:41:27,735
We have a Sligo property
674
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:30,321
and then we've got an 80-acre ranch
north of Salem.
675
00:41:45,211 --> 00:41:48,631
This is where my mom and Kris
lived when Lena disappeared.
676
00:41:50,674 --> 00:41:53,511
She's not stupid. She's not stupid.
677
00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:57,431
Wherever Lena's at, it's gonna be hard,
very, very hard to get to.
678
00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:59,266
-Laundry room door was there.
679
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:00,267
The mudroom.
680
00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:02,645
And...
681
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:06,190
this... it was just...
682
00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:08,734
it was right here.
683
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:11,570
I know it was.
684
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,121
It was a well, it was a hand-dug well...
685
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,375
that had stones lining up on the sides.
686
00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:25,876
It would've been right here.
687
00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:29,838
And it just, it's not here no more.
688
00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:33,342
And I don't...
689
00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:35,594
I don't understand why it's not.
690
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:39,682
I think it's been filled in.
691
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:42,059
She filled it in before she moved.
692
00:42:48,774 --> 00:42:51,443
A couple of months after Lena disappeared,
693
00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,904
Sandy had moved to this property.
694
00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:56,198
She was showing me this property.
695
00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,284
We were walking up
from the pond to the house,
696
00:42:58,367 --> 00:43:01,370
and she had pointed out the four trees
in front of the house,
697
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:04,290
saying that she had buried her dog,
Toby, there,
698
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:05,583
which was weird,
699
00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:08,294
because she had told me
that she had buried the dog
700
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:11,422
at the old house,
on top of the hill, under a tree,
701
00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:12,965
before they moved.
702
00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:17,344
I automatically thought that, I mean,
there was something not right about it.
703
00:43:17,428 --> 00:43:18,512
It didn't make sense.
704
00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:21,640
My first thought was, "Why is she
changing her story now? Like...
705
00:43:22,766 --> 00:43:24,018
Could Lena be there?"
706
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:27,938
I don't know.
707
00:43:33,861 --> 00:43:35,279
So if my sister's in there,
708
00:43:35,362 --> 00:43:37,906
are you gonna be able to tell me today,
or not?
709
00:43:38,032 --> 00:43:39,450
Unfortunately, no.
710
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,910
What I would hope to accomplish here
711
00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,164
is to narrow down for Detective Letchworth
712
00:43:45,247 --> 00:43:48,834
a focus-in area
of where he would need to investigate.
713
00:43:48,917 --> 00:43:50,711
But it's worth checking out though, right?
714
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:53,964
Absolutely. It's, you know,
it's always worth investigating.
715
00:43:54,048 --> 00:43:54,882
Sure.
716
00:43:55,257 --> 00:43:56,133
Okay, thank you.
717
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,399
After all these years
of Lena being missing,
718
00:44:12,566 --> 00:44:16,362
they finally decided
to take a ground scan tool
719
00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:20,532
over the area that didn't quite
sit right with me before.
720
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:22,993
I hope...
721
00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:25,204
we can find some answers.
722
00:44:27,122 --> 00:44:31,335
Robin, uh, her theory
is that's where Lena is buried,
723
00:44:32,211 --> 00:44:34,838
is on the new farm, here in Dent County.
724
00:44:35,631 --> 00:44:38,592
And so, if what I'm told by Robin is true,
725
00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:42,054
we should be able to see a disturbance
there in the ground.
726
00:44:42,137 --> 00:44:44,098
And the ground-penetrating radar
727
00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:48,227
should give us a good indicator of whether
we need to dig there, or not dig.
728
00:44:50,187 --> 00:44:52,064
- Is he getting something?
- I don't know.
729
00:45:21,176 --> 00:45:22,177
It's hard.
730
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,722
It's hard not having a mom,
731
00:45:25,222 --> 00:45:26,598
or my sister, Lena.
732
00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:30,686
But, you know,
I just really want Lena to know...
733
00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:35,649
...that I love her.
734
00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:44,408
That I'm proud of her
for keeping us all together.
735
00:45:46,243 --> 00:45:48,412
I know if it wasn't for her,
we wouldn't be.
736
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:02,050
There's not a time that goes by
I don't think about Lena.
737
00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:04,970
I miss her so much.
738
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,726
If my sister could hear me right now,
I'd tell her I love her.
739
00:46:11,143 --> 00:46:13,937
"And just know I will always
740
00:46:15,814 --> 00:46:17,357
try to find you, you know?
741
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I will never let anybody just forget you."
742
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And that's what I'm trying to do
with Lena.