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This is the house that I lived in.
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I came here when my two youngest sons
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were probably ten, 12 years old.
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This is where they were wrestling.
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And they looked up, and they saw it...
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and ran in to their grandmother
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who was babysitting
for my two younger ones.
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And she didn't believe them,
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and she said not to tell me...
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because she didn't want to upset me.
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And I came home from that experience
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and said, "I'm not gonna tell them
because I don't want to frighten them."
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So when you people called
and said you were gonna do this,
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I called my son and I said,
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"Guess what? Years ago, I saw this--"
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He said, "Mother, we saw that too."
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And I said, "But you didn't tell me."
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He said, "But you didn't tell us."
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So all these years,
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we never spoke of it.
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-I'm Jane Green.
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I've lived in Great Barrington
since I was 12 years old.
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We were a prominent family
because of our store.
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We had the, uh, oldest Rexall pharmacy
in the, uh, Northeast.
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In this small town, you know,
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if somebody changes their diet
from a donut to a roast beef sandwich,
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everybody in town knows it.
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My name's Tom Warner.
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The house I'm in now,
we've been in for six generations,
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my son being the sixth generation.
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We've had this same very house since 1835.
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I was the youngest of seven children.
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A lot of things were happening
back in 1969.
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America was really changing rapidly.
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Ten years old, you're changing too.
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My mother, uh,
was from Hollis, Queens.
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So, we had been, uh,
raised in more of a city environment.
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When we moved here,
it was more or less to...
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assure a nice upbringing for the family.
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You know, this Norman Rockwell feel.
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I had recently acquired
a little restaurant
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called The Village Green
in the middle of Sheffield,
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which was kind of a place
where a lot of people gathered and met.
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I was a single mother
and I was trying very hard to...
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give the boys an idyllic kind of a life.
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I never felt like I belonged here.
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I always felt that there was...
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uh, I was... meant for something else.
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In 1969, I would've been just under ten.
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My name is Melanie Kirchdorfer.
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I've lived here since 1957.
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I was 12 years old in 1969.
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As kids, we would spend a lot of time
on the Main Street.
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We were pretty wild.
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My sister and I had a friend
that would steal cigarettes from her mom.
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So we wanted to go share a cigarette
together that weekend.
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We did not want to get in a car
with our parents,
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and get ice cream.
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It was the last thing we wanted to do.
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I still to this day
think about September 1st, 1969.
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My whole life changed right here.
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This was a-- a moment
that forever changed my life.
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Something weird took place here.
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We were a part of it.
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Fifty years ago, man.
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Fifty years ago.
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Feels like it was just yesterday.
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It was...
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just beyond dusk,
it was getting really dark...
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and I, uh, was coming back from, uh,
Stockbridge to Great Barrington.
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The only person in the car with me
was Mary DeGrace,
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who's passed away now.
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She was my-- my girlfriend.
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We were just the two of us.
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We were driving down
and I saw a lot of lights,
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and I said,
"There must have been an accident.
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There must be a lot of police cars
up there.
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Look at all the lights."
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As I got closer,
I couldn't even drive anymore,
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because the lights were so bright.
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So I pulled over to the side
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and I noticed the car in front of us
pulled off to the side too.
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And I got out of the car.
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My girlfriend got out of the car too.
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I will never-- If I get Alzheimer's,
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the one thing that'll stick in my mind,
what happened.
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This huge object floated right there.
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And I couldn't see the end of it
from the right or from the left.
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I can't tell you whether it was bronze,
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or whether it was silver,
whether it was gold.
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It was immense.
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And it was tall, but the--
the bottom part--
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I didn't see windows. I didn't see any--
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And most of all, there was no noise.
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There was no motor.
There was nothing. It just was there.
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And these lights were coming, and I--
and I just looked at it.
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And within a period of seconds...
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it lifted up, went this way,
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lifted up again,
and went over the mountain.
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It was Labor Day. It was hot.
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It was a real hot day.
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I remember exactly where I was.
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I was doing artwork, coloring.
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My medium back then was Crayola.
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I'd always go next door to the Shaws',
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and Debbie, who was Jane's sister,
would always, you know,
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instruct me how to stay in the lines
and all that stuff.
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He always colored with my sister,
who was four years older than Tommy.
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"Tommy. Tommy!
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Stay in the lines!
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Stay in the lines!
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I said, 'Stay in the lines!'"
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And that's what she would do with him.
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I've seen Tommy since the day he was,
you know,
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brought home from the hospital.
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That night that he ran out,
it scared the living heck out of us.
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Before I know it,
it was getting a little later, and...
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after I did the coloring,
I walked over to this window.
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And this voice told me,
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"You need to go home now."
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Uh...
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It just scared the daylights out of me.
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I mean,
it was like commanding me to go home.
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And I said to Debbie, I said,
"Debbie, I have to go home."
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And she goes, "Why?"
I said, "I don't know.
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Maybe God's talking to me
from those clouds. I don't know."
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And so, I start bolting out the door.
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I could just feel this energy
that was inside me,
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that-- that was like fear
from the mental telepathy
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that I just experienced.
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And my whole desire
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just to get from this point here
to my house.
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And I was running full speed.
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And I remember just feeling
like I was flying at this point.
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And he was, like, running right here...
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in place.
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Just constantly, for about five minutes,
he was running in place.
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I was running, but I wasn't moving.
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I just got a-- a feeling
that something was wrong.
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And I didn't know what it was, but it--
it just gave me chills.
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Off to my left, there was a rock,
and there was a path,
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and we were right on the path here,
and the rock was just off to my left.
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And as I turned slowly, I turned...
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and a UFO dropped right out of the sky,
right in front of me.
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And a beam came on me.
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And as the light was on me,
my hands jerked back, like this.
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And it's like air got sucked out of me.
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The light came around him
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this way, towards his left.
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And the next thing I know, he disappeared.
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And in a blink, in a flash, I was gone.
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"Where did Tommy go?
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Can't find him."
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We went to the Dairy Queen
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to get our ice cream,
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and then we went up to Lake Mansfield.
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My father backed into the parking lot.
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And this brilliant,
bright aura came around.
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I get goosebumps thinking about it.
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And he looked up and he said, "Holy shit!"
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And my mother is like, "Oh, Joey!"
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And all of us kids are like,
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"What-- What is that?"
and start screaming.
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He's like, "Oh, we gotta chase this."
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And I'm like, "No, no, no,
please don't, please don't."
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And my mother's like, "Oh, it's just
a shooting star. It's just..."
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And I'm like,
"It's not just a shooting star.
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Dad, please don't chase it.
Please don't chase it."
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And he starts chasing it.
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My sister and I, we were, like, shaking.
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She said she doesn't remember...
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anything after that.
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But I remember levitating.
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And then I remember being on a--
on a ship.
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I remember being...
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laid out on it.
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That's when I saw Melanie.
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It was the only face I remember.
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She just was crouched to my right.
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I don't remember seeing him.
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But he said he remembered seeing my eyes.
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And that I was really scared.
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The look of "Oh, my God" fear.
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I was in a room with just young people.
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There were, like, children.
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And then, they would just disappear
one by one, by one.
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And then I woke up,
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and I was out at the lake, by myself.
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And then I had to walk home.
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The next thing I know,
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I'm being laid down at the other end
of the property over here.
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And, uh, you can describe it as,
if you laid down a baby onto the ground.
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Just like that.
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And when I looked up,
there was a beam on me.
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And with the beam on me,
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my brother, was in back of me,
and he said, "Run!"
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And I couldn't run.
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I said, "I can't.
The beam's holding me on the ground."
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And then, mental telepathy said,
"I'll be done in a minute."
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And in a minute, the light beam went off.
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I rolled just slightly to my right.
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I stood up like this.
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I looked up, I turned around.
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And it was gone.
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By the time they picked him up,
or whatever they did,
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and put him over here,
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it was seven minutes.
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I did not know Tom Warner.
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I was older than him.
We ran with different crowds.
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When I met Tom for the first time,
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I felt an immediate connection to him.
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It was weird. It was very weird.
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'Cause I'd lived here my whole life
and I'd never really met him.
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And now I feel like he's a brother to me.
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On, uh, September 1st, 1969,
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I was riding in a horse show.
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It was a blistering hot day.
I remember that.
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It was very hot, even for...
that time of year.
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The saddle came loose,
I was holding on for dear life,
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and a few people came in
to slow down the horse and stop it.
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And I had to run out and grab him.
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At that point she felt so thankful
that I didn't get trampled or something,
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she said, "You know what?
Let's go to dinner."
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And so we got to the diner...
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and, uh, it was running late,
it was almost 9 o'clock,
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and it was almost bedtime.
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And so they decided to take the bridge,
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the shortcut home,
through the Sheffield Bridge.
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Now, as we started
through the covered bridge,
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Thomas was in the backseat with Matthew,
his younger brother.
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He loved those little, uh...
what do you call them?
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Fireballs. Hot, brown things.
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And he was gonna give one to Matthew.
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And my mother heard that
and she turned around and she said...
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"He could choke. Don't give that to him.
He's too young."
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And when she turned around,
facing the back of the...
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the-- the station wagon,
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she noticed what looked like a light,
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rising from the banks
of the Housatonic River.
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And as we exited the bridge...
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I can remember this like yesterday. Um...
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There was a...
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a light ball...
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hovering, maybe about two stories high.
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We were amazed. I mean, we'd never seen
anything like it. It was glowing.
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And then as it rose,
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it fired these rods of light.
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Everyone was focused on this thing,
249
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but for some reason,
my brother turned to look to the right.
250
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My brother saw this orange orb,
and it seemed to have this roll to it.
251
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Almost like, uh, like something--
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like an ocean wave
is the way he describes it,
253
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kind of like the inside of this thing
was moving and turning.
254
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As we're rolling along,
255
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the atmosphere got really close.
256
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Everything was dead quiet.
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We felt like we were underwater.
We could feel, like, a pressure change.
258
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So my mother,
she pulled off to the side of the road.
259
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Windows were open.
It was like 90 degrees that night.
260
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We all start looking out the--
the side of the car.
261
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Grandma's looking out.
Everyone's looking out, you know.
262
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Where is this white sphere
that we saw moments ago?
263
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And then sudden-- then, bang!
264
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You know, my mother notices this--
this thing first in the sky,
265
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and she's like, "My God, what is that?"
266
00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:54,698
There was a disc-shaped object
hovering there.
267
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It looked something like,
268
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if you ever took a turtle shell
and turned it sideways and looked at it.
269
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It was like that and then it was--
it was a little shorter under here,
270
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but in the middle,
there was a different ridge to it.
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The craft itself,
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I would say that it had to be at least--
at least a hundred yards long.
273
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And we're staring at this thing
out the window,
274
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and all of a sudden,
the car just lit up...
275
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inside, like there are floodlights
inside our car.
276
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I could see the dashboard.
277
00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:33,487
I could see
the back of my grandmother's hair.
278
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I could see the radio.
279
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I remember this like it was yesterday.
280
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I could see my mother.
281
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Everything in the car
was just like it was... daylight.
282
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I mean,
usually you hear some summer noises.
283
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,085
And every-- everything was deadly still
and silent.
284
00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:54,716
Then all of a sudden, the, uh,
chirping started... loudly.
285
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,219
-It erupted. Crickets, everything.
286
00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:59,346
And that's the last I remember.
That was it.
287
00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:02,891
This eruption of crickets,
and katydids, and frogs, and this...
288
00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:07,688
Whatever it was seemed to affect
the entire area, the wildlife.
289
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,357
And then, that's-- bang!
That's the last thing I remember,
290
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,316
being in the car.
291
00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:14,778
My fragmented memory of it,
292
00:19:15,571 --> 00:19:18,157
I can account for maybe 15 minutes,
293
00:19:18,949 --> 00:19:20,826
but it was over a three-hour period.
294
00:19:23,203 --> 00:19:25,914
I have no memory of the lost time.
295
00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:26,832
I have none.
296
00:19:26,915 --> 00:19:29,877
And I wish I did, in a way.
Maybe it's just as well I don't.
297
00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:34,131
The next thing I remember is...
298
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:38,010
coming to in front of the drugstore.
299
00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,889
My mother was in the driver's seat,
300
00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:43,515
and I was in the passenger seat,
301
00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:46,935
which was not the way it was
when I turned the car off, obviously,
302
00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:48,103
'cause I had been driving.
303
00:19:50,647 --> 00:19:53,609
When we were placed
back in the vehicle, I believe it was...
304
00:19:54,067 --> 00:19:56,069
meant for us not to ever...
305
00:19:56,945 --> 00:19:58,405
think that this happened.
306
00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:03,243
You know, that we just all passed out,
we all fell asleep,
307
00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:05,078
because everything was supposed to be
308
00:20:05,162 --> 00:20:07,581
exactly the way it was
three hours earlier.
309
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:10,792
But the mistake was,
my mother and grandmother were reversed
310
00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:12,794
and the ignition was off.
311
00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:16,173
My grandmother never drove.
312
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:21,136
My thinking is that we were
at the wrong place at the wrong time.
313
00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:23,555
Three hours of time went by.
314
00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:25,849
Whatever happened to us, I don't know.
315
00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:28,268
Was there something extracted?
Was something exchanged?
316
00:20:28,352 --> 00:20:31,605
Were-- Were we drugged up?
I don't really know.
317
00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:41,531
Before this happened,
318
00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:43,659
I was a non-believer in...
319
00:20:44,534 --> 00:20:45,744
in any of that stuff.
320
00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:47,537
It just... no way.
321
00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:49,164
Flying saucers and...
322
00:20:49,623 --> 00:20:52,000
I just did not believe it.
323
00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:54,920
I drove all the way into Great Barrington
324
00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:57,798
and pulled over where our store was,
it's Main Street,
325
00:20:57,881 --> 00:21:00,968
turned the car off
and looked at my girlfriend and said,
326
00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:03,470
"What just happened?"
327
00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:06,390
So I ran in and I told my husband.
328
00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:10,644
And he said to go up
and report it to the radio station.
329
00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:16,275
And I went in, and Tom Jay,
who was the, uh, director of WSBS,
330
00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:20,279
started to laugh and he said,
"You and Mary must be out drinking again."
331
00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,781
He said,
"I think it must have been swamp gas."
332
00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,243
I said, "This was no swamp gas, Tom."
And I explained it.
333
00:21:26,326 --> 00:21:30,122
A few hours later, he was inundated
with calls from other people.
334
00:21:31,456 --> 00:21:36,044
Tom Jay, who was
the radio personality for WSBS Radio,
335
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:38,755
actually heard the calls coming in
over his ham radio.
336
00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:40,507
And there were so many of them
337
00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,759
that he actually had called
the police department
338
00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,845
to see if they were hearing this as well.
339
00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:46,847
Got on the air,
340
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:49,141
and was asking if anyone saw this,
you know,
341
00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:51,184
"Where was it?
Does anyone know where it is?"
342
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,396
From Pittsfield to Stockbridge
343
00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:56,440
to Lenox to-- to Egremont
344
00:21:56,523 --> 00:21:58,483
to Sheffield to Canaan, Connecticut,
345
00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:01,653
the-- the calls were coming in
from a multitude of towns,
346
00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,822
by groups of people
347
00:22:03,905 --> 00:22:06,033
that in many cases
had never met each other before.
348
00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:09,077
Your hometown station
in the Berkshires, 860 AM,
349
00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:12,539
94.1 FM, WSBS streaming online worldwide
350
00:22:12,622 --> 00:22:15,417
at wsbs.com, and check us out on...
351
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,587
In 1969, I wasn't even thought of yet.
352
00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,589
I was, uh-- I was born in 1983.
353
00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:25,135
Legend has it, that strange occurrence
that took place in September of 1969
354
00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:28,263
was, um... a UFO sighting.
355
00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:32,142
I think it's unlikely that if, you know,
you have all these people in this area,
356
00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,186
different states,
different part of the county,
357
00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:35,395
that are seeing it,
358
00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:38,315
I can't imagine
they're making it up or lying about it.
359
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:42,444
Back then, the technology
was much different than today.
360
00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:47,199
You record a newscast,
and when you're done with that newscast,
361
00:22:47,282 --> 00:22:49,242
you don't really think about saving it.
362
00:22:49,451 --> 00:22:51,286
The next day, or two days after,
363
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,706
that news story is gone
and erased with the current news story.
364
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,502
I wish I still had access
to those tapes in 1969,
365
00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,296
not just for the radio station
and for us having it,
366
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:04,299
but I just wish I could provide people
with it and say, you know--
367
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,718
just to have a tangible object for people,
368
00:23:06,802 --> 00:23:09,012
'cause I know
it's such a sought-after item,
369
00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:12,432
and it's unfortunate we don't have it,
but I really wish we did.
370
00:23:24,861 --> 00:23:26,154
Daily public records
371
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,656
of any police activity,
372
00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:30,951
and you know, they're open to the public
and we have to keep them forever.
373
00:23:31,034 --> 00:23:34,538
And, fortunately,
we do have them from 1969.
374
00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:38,041
I did find that day.
There is very little activity on there.
375
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,335
Uh, it's basically one page.
376
00:23:43,588 --> 00:23:46,007
Then the evening shift,
which is 4:00 to midnight,
377
00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:48,218
which I believe
is when this incident happened,
378
00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:51,346
there's a, um, young lady
from the day shift turned up
379
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:53,223
and was found, which is good.
380
00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:55,642
There's a report from a, uh, gentleman
381
00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:58,520
reporting trash and beer cans
thrown on his lawn.
382
00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:01,606
He's upset about that
and reported it to the police department.
383
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:05,652
And actually, that was-- that was--
that was it, you know?
384
00:24:05,735 --> 00:24:07,279
When I went looking for this,
385
00:24:07,362 --> 00:24:10,740
I thought maybe there'd be, you know...
things on there.
386
00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:12,868
And I was very surprised that there isn't.
387
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,703
You know, I think the jury's out...
388
00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:17,497
as we say in my business,
that the jury's out.
389
00:24:17,581 --> 00:24:19,291
At least in my mind it is,
390
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:21,251
in terms of exactly what it was
or what happened.
391
00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,965
Well, when we started hearing about
392
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,759
these abductions
that took place years ago,
393
00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:31,970
to complete our archives,
394
00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:34,473
I decided to take a trip up here
to the Berkshire Athenaeum.
395
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:39,394
I started with The Berkshire Eagle,
396
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,104
which is the daily paper here,
397
00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,315
to see if I could find
any reference to it.
398
00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,693
Uh, September 2nd was the day I started,
399
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:51,198
'cause that was the day after
the initial abductions,
400
00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:52,824
if you will.
401
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,285
And I ran through for about a whole month
402
00:24:55,368 --> 00:24:59,414
and didn't find any reference
in The Berkshire Eagle to any sightings.
403
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,797
I've thought a lot about
how come this didn't get reported,
404
00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:11,092
and I suspect that people
just thought that...
405
00:25:11,718 --> 00:25:13,678
it was a joke or a scam.
406
00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:17,849
I also talked to the former editor
407
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:20,018
of a weekly paper in Great Barrington.
408
00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:21,686
And he kind of laughed, and he says,
409
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,523
"Oh, yeah, I remember that,
but I thought it was a bunch of hooey,
410
00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:26,566
so I didn't put anything in the paper."
411
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,084
That's my dad at Anticosti Island,
412
00:25:44,167 --> 00:25:45,835
up off the coast of Canada.
413
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,296
That's probably, like, about 25 years ago.
414
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,258
Got a deer. And they took
that picture of him right there.
415
00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:52,425
Beautiful picture.
416
00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:54,886
People used to ask me
if that was my father.
417
00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:56,555
Now people ask me if that's me.
418
00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:59,224
I'm getting old and gray, you know.
419
00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,685
-How you doing today?
-Good. How are you?
420
00:26:01,768 --> 00:26:03,019
Good. Getting stuff done?
421
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,354
Uh, just today...
422
00:26:04,437 --> 00:26:08,108
I'm not sure the exact day,
but it was right after it happened,
423
00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:10,986
and people started coming in
reporting it to my father,
424
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,697
who was chief of police at the time
in Sheffield.
425
00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:15,073
They'd say they saw...
426
00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:18,868
a flying object in the sky
that wasn't an airplane.
427
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,413
And it looked totally different
and was lit up
428
00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:24,040
and they were round and lit up and silver.
429
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:27,335
And they were going slow
and landing in the fields, out here.
430
00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:31,840
It's all farm fields over here
by the road,
431
00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:33,633
all the way down into Connecticut.
432
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,051
Cornfields, hayfields.
433
00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:37,637
And they were landing in those fields
and taking off.
434
00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:39,097
And that's what people saw.
435
00:26:40,181 --> 00:26:41,349
I'm like, "Whoa!"
436
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:43,184
"They weren't airplanes," they said.
437
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,020
"They were round and they were silver."
438
00:26:47,022 --> 00:26:49,524
My father,
he thought it was a bunch of baloney.
439
00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:51,610
And me and my friends,
440
00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:52,819
'cause I knew all about it,
441
00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:53,778
we started...
442
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,490
going out too, on our own,
just looking around.
443
00:26:57,574 --> 00:26:59,826
Camping out,
sleeping in the car, watching.
444
00:26:59,909 --> 00:27:01,411
Never got to see anything.
445
00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:03,830
We went right to all the places
which I knew.
446
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:05,332
Never got to see it myself,
447
00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:08,293
but we kept hearing about it
and hearing about it and hearing about it.
448
00:27:08,376 --> 00:27:11,588
And dad kept investigating it.
So, we knew it happened.
449
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,100
A number of people saw it.
450
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,144
We'd talk about it a little,
451
00:27:26,227 --> 00:27:28,188
maybe over a campfire
or something like that,
452
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,815
or close friends and you'd tell the story
453
00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:33,151
and all of a sudden you'd feel bad
that you told the story
454
00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:36,404
because you'd-- people'd kinda
look at you kinda strange,
455
00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:37,781
you know, I mean...
456
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:40,700
If you keep telling the story,
after a while,
457
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:43,286
you're not gonna have any friends,
you know.
458
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:45,580
You know,
you scare the hell out of everybody.
459
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,667
You know, especially as a teenager
and young adult, you know what I mean.
460
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,085
People, they just...
461
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:52,587
they don't want to hear it.
It's too scary.
462
00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:55,882
You know, through high school...
463
00:27:57,550 --> 00:27:59,594
I didn't date girls. No one wanted--
464
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,179
You know, it just...
465
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,391
It was like I was the Black Plague
or something.
466
00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:08,061
It was nothing that was ever said.
467
00:28:09,437 --> 00:28:10,772
But, I knew it.
468
00:28:11,439 --> 00:28:14,192
'Cause people don't have the answers
for something,
469
00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:15,902
they have to blame it on something.
470
00:28:15,985 --> 00:28:18,697
It's, you know,
your imagination or whatever.
471
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,448
Eventually, I-- I had to paint it.
472
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,326
I just had to paint as close as I could
to that night.
473
00:28:27,622 --> 00:28:29,874
I never intended to show this painting.
474
00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,252
I never intended to tell my story.
475
00:28:35,422 --> 00:28:36,589
I think it was...
476
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:40,218
It was kind of therapy
doing that painting for me.
477
00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:46,433
And I suppose I just have that there
to hold fast to that night and remember,
478
00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:48,476
you know... we're not alone.
479
00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:53,273
And, uh, this is something
I'll never forget.
480
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:01,865
My sister always believed me,
481
00:29:01,948 --> 00:29:04,075
so I was lucky to have my sister.
482
00:29:05,285 --> 00:29:08,496
I had a boyfriend then
that I could talk to about it.
483
00:29:10,248 --> 00:29:12,417
My boyfriend would believe me then.
484
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,295
So he knew about it.
485
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,338
He's not alive now.
486
00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:18,965
He's-- He passed away.
487
00:29:19,841 --> 00:29:22,177
But, they're the only ones
that knew about it.
488
00:29:24,554 --> 00:29:27,307
I've always been one to be
very honest and very open and...
489
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,309
there's a part of me
that needed to talk about it,
490
00:29:29,392 --> 00:29:31,895
to need to share this, to-- to, um...
491
00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:35,648
you know, get it off my chest,
if you will.
492
00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:38,485
It wasn't like
I was looking for attention, you know,
493
00:29:38,568 --> 00:29:41,905
certainly not trying
to capitalize on anything.
494
00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:43,573
I was nine or ten years old.
495
00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:46,951
Um, and we were already outsiders
to begin with,
496
00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:50,872
so this wasn't, obviously, going to be
received well by my schoolmates.
497
00:29:52,999 --> 00:29:55,543
When Tom went to school,
he talked about it quite often.
498
00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:58,797
That I think is part of why
the fights started in the school.
499
00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:01,883
Tom did take the brunt of it.
He absolutely did.
500
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:05,094
I did not talk to a lot of people
about it, personally.
501
00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:07,597
I just didn't,
because I had a feeling that...
502
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,268
it would, uh, go badly, if you will.
503
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:15,980
Thomas was the most vocal of all of us.
504
00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:20,860
It's the only reason
we're having this conversation,
505
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,946
is because
he sticks to his guns about things.
506
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:25,281
Truth is truth,
and truth will come out every time.
507
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,076
We still had to live here.
508
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:30,578
We still had to face everybody
during the day.
509
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:36,918
The difference in dynamics between
my family being from New York City and--
510
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:38,711
and moving to the country and...
511
00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:40,547
and it just made it tough.
512
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:43,424
We used to get followed home
down this road by a pickup truck.
513
00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:49,973
They would tailgate me in the car
as I was driving home.
514
00:30:51,307 --> 00:30:53,685
One followed me
all the way up the driveway one time.
515
00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:55,812
I'll never forget that.
I couldn't believe that.
516
00:30:56,646 --> 00:31:00,483
There's one guy jumped up on a table once
and exposed himself and said,
517
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,986
"Well, if you want to see something
out of this world, Nancy,
518
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,196
I'll show you something
out of this world." And--
519
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,782
I mean it was--
It got that foul, you know?
520
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,702
I don't think many people realize
521
00:31:10,785 --> 00:31:13,663
how much this devastated my mother.
522
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,708
It was, uh... very hard on her.
523
00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:19,502
I mean, to the point
where she had to sell the diner...
524
00:31:20,461 --> 00:31:21,796
sell the house, and move.
525
00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:26,301
When you see your children
being picked on constantly
526
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,344
and made fun of...
527
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:30,972
I closed the door on Sheffield
at that point
528
00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:33,808
because it broke my heart
when we left there. Literally.
529
00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:36,144
It still breaks my heart
when I think about it.
530
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,980
My mother wanted to move here
531
00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,191
because this was her Norman Rockwell.
532
00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:45,904
And this turned it into a Salvador Dalí.
533
00:32:05,131 --> 00:32:09,135
I realize the frustration of people
in the past...
534
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:13,556
that have been saying
that they've seen flying saucers,
535
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,308
they've seen this and seen that,
536
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:18,478
and people doubt them,
because I was one of them.
537
00:32:18,561 --> 00:32:20,188
I was so relieved...
538
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:22,690
that other people saw that,
539
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:25,568
because I just thought,
no one's gonna ever believe me
540
00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:27,820
if I do mention it
and I think that's prob--
541
00:32:28,196 --> 00:32:30,365
part of--
part of the reason I never, uh...
542
00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,660
talked about it, because I didn't think
people would believe me.
543
00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:37,622
People in the, uh, military...
544
00:32:38,289 --> 00:32:40,500
have seen this, and they're, um...
545
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,669
people that are respected.
546
00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:45,964
Yesterday,
there was a New York Times article:
547
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:49,968
"Training Navy air pilots,
up and down the East Coast,
548
00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:53,721
have seen flying objects
that they could not identify."
549
00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:57,308
That's not our L&S though,
is it? It's not--
550
00:32:57,392 --> 00:32:58,851
That is L&S, dude.
551
00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,853
- But if there's--
- Look at that thing!
552
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,605
It's rotating.
553
00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:04,524
There was two planes flying,
554
00:33:04,607 --> 00:33:07,026
that were 100 feet apart, two jets flying.
555
00:33:07,193 --> 00:33:08,736
And something, an object,
556
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,364
flew right between them
at very high speed.
557
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:15,451
It was in The Berkshire Eagle yesterday.
558
00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:17,704
And this is the military reporting this.
559
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:18,997
Those guys are smart.
560
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,415
They know what's going on.
561
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:23,876
You know? I mean,
they're not gonna make this up.
562
00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:26,212
I mean, come on! Something's going on.
563
00:33:26,295 --> 00:33:27,755
Why isn't that coming out?
564
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,590
Why isn't it being more publicized?
565
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,801
Why-- Well, I guess it is.
566
00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:34,470
Right now it's starting to be.
And it's about darn time.
567
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:38,683
But if the military is saying it
and seeing it, it's happening.
568
00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:41,936
Hello?
569
00:33:42,437 --> 00:33:43,521
I believe it.
570
00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:50,862
Why would I make it up?
571
00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:54,699
It wasn't fun. It wasn't pleasant.
572
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,452
It wasn't glorifying.
573
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,706
And why would anyone wanna go through it?
574
00:34:02,248 --> 00:34:05,001
I-- I wouldn't want to be abducted.
575
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:08,588
It's-- It's not something
that I would wish on anyone.
576
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,550
So if-- if somebody wants to doubt it,
577
00:34:12,633 --> 00:34:14,469
I don't blame them for doubting it.
578
00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:16,846
I really don't blame them for doubting it.
579
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,979
Now, because I've come forward,
580
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:28,066
Melanie's bravely come forward,
581
00:34:28,524 --> 00:34:30,068
Thom Reed's come forward.
582
00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:33,738
Some of these other people
that were saying, "It's okay."
583
00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,282
And now other people are coming forward.
584
00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:38,201
I have not heard anybody...
585
00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:41,204
No one approaches me now and says,
586
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:43,998
"Yeah, that's a bunch of baloney."
587
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:51,756
I live here.
588
00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:54,634
This is 182 years in the same house.
589
00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:56,969
Why would I want to come forward
to tell a story?
590
00:34:57,053 --> 00:34:58,179
What, to embarrass myself,
591
00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:01,265
so I go down in my Main Street
and be ridiculed?
592
00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:03,601
Or my son?
593
00:35:04,644 --> 00:35:05,937
Or my wife...
594
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:08,314
who works at the local library here?
595
00:35:10,691 --> 00:35:12,652
I didn't do this to hurt people.
596
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,613
I did it for one reason: to help people.
597
00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:18,449
And I know
there's a lot more people out there
598
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:20,368
that know things have gone on.
599
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,293
All you gotta do is sit up there
and look at the sky
600
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:31,295
and sooner or later,
you'll see something...
601
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:34,382
and not know what it was.
602
00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:40,429
I just wish that...
603
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,641
everyone that-- that sees this
604
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:45,977
really would open their minds,
605
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,439
because I know the people
that are being, uh, interviewed...
606
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:54,402
are people just like
everyone out there that...
607
00:35:54,902 --> 00:35:58,197
probably, at one time, didn't believe...
608
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:00,575
doubted.
609
00:36:01,617 --> 00:36:04,036
And when this happens, there is no doubt.
610
00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:09,625
I have no reason to, you know,
make anything up.
611
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:12,378
I'm 85 years old and...
612
00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:14,380
this is...
613
00:36:16,257 --> 00:36:18,092
...this is not something that...
614
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:22,346
I expected to do
or ever talked about, and...
615
00:36:22,805 --> 00:36:24,682
it's real. It's for real.
616
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:27,185
People have gotta understand that.
617
00:36:36,652 --> 00:36:38,529
Who the hell are they to question me?
618
00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,740
I passed a polygraph test.
619
00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:43,409
My word is my bond.
620
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:45,328
I don't break it for anybody.
621
00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:47,455
I wear who I am on my sleeve.
622
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:50,625
You got something to say, say it.
623
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,252
I don't care how you feel.
I don't care what you think.
624
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:54,212
I was there.
625
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,504
I was there.