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I saw the house all closed up.
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I’ve always seen that house
with the shutters open.
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It was a shock.
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I knew something terrible had happened.
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They seemed like a normal family.
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Totally normal.
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But no one really knows
what goes on behind closed doors.
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Nantes...
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Nantes is a large French city,
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situated in the west of France
on the Atlantic coast.
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It really is a city of culture.
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Life is fairly peaceful,
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very quiet.
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In the middle of the town
there's a residential neighborhood,
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where you see upper middle-class people.
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They take care of their children
who go to school nearby.
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They also go to church a lot, to mass.
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It’s fairly peaceful.
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And then...
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the Dupont de Ligonnès murders happened.
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THE HOUSE OF TERROR
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The story is an enigma
that perplexes everyone,
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with lots of mystery.
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It’s something that
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no one saw coming.
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That such events took place...
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is unthinkable.
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We’re on Shuman Boulevard in Nantes,
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across from number 55.
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That's where the drama took place.
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It’s a house where, after 2011,
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people slowed down or stopped
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to see what we call
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the House of Horror.
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It still...
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haunts everyone who knew the family,
you know?
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I know the family
because they moved into a house
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at 55 Shuman Boulevard.
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I moved to number 61 in 1992,
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and they brought some work in for me.
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I did alterations for the children,
for Agnès.
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And I ironed the husband's shirts.
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I saw the family regularly.
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I’d see Agnès picking up the children
from school daily.
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I watched them pass the store every day.
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So it was a really lively, busy house.
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There are four children, two parents.
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The father,
Count Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès,
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he's a businessman who'd had some success.
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He's comfortable communicating with people
and quick to laugh.
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The pretty mother, Agnès,
works in a Catholic school.
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They have four beautiful children.
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Arthur, the eldest.
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Arthur is a very handsome young man.
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He's 20 at this time
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and goes to a private Catholic college.
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There's Thomas, who's 18.
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He's a shy boy.
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He studies musicology.
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He's passionate, crazy about music.
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Anne is 16.
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She's a very pretty young girl.
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She models for mail order catalogs.
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A very good student.
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She's the best student
of all the children.
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She's at a private Catholic school
called La Perverie.
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The same high school as Benoît.
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Benoît is the last and is 13 years old.
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He's crazy about drums.
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He plays the drums all the time.
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So, that makes
a lot of noise in the house.
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And there you are.
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Seemingly, a golden family.
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One day,
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I sensed something that troubled me.
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It was a Monday afternoon at two p.m.
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when I saw the house was closed up.
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I passed in front of the house
and I saw this note on the mailbox,
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that said to stop leaving mail there.
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And then I saw the closed shutters.
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I said, “That’s so weird.”
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I just felt that something was wrong.
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The shutters were always open.
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Even when they went on vacation,
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they were always open.
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Tuesday, I went back to work,
and it was the same. It hadn't changed.
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Wednesday morning, I went to work,
and obviously nothing had changed.
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I kept asking myself, “Where are they?”
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And so, I called the police.
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When the police arrive,
it's the local police.
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It's just a home visit
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to make sure nothing out of the ordinary
is taking place inside the house.
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The front door is locked.
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The shutters are closed.
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They have to call a locksmith
to open the door.
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And there, they find that basically
everything in the house is in its place.
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There are some bedrooms
where the sheets have been removed.
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Some closets are open.
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All of that seems totally normal.
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So, the police feel
that the residents have left voluntarily.
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There's nothing out of the ordinary
which would necessitate
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launching a formal police investigation.
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But some of the cars were still there,
except the C5.
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And they couldn't all leave in a C5.
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It was impossible.
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With the bags, six people, and the dogs.
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I don't know, but if you think about it--
It's obvious, you know.
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The police were staring at me
and listening like they thought,
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"What has she been smoking?"
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And then, several letters had been sent
by Xavier and Agnès.
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They had been sent
to friends and relatives.
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The letters explain that...
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"Okay, well, as you know,
I've had links with the US...
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The Americans have recruited me
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to infiltrate an international drug ring.
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This will be hard.
You won’t see us for a long while...
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as we're going to change identity,
be under protection,
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and won't be reachable at all.”
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In fact, he was a spy
for the US drug squad, the DEA.
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And bizarrely, this letter comes
from Xavier and Agnès Dupont de Ligonnès.
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Xavier is well-known, respectable,
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and Agnès has a Bible study group.
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She goes to mass on Sundays.
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They're not the type to lie.
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So, they are actually spies for the DEA.
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It's simply baffling.
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KEEP IT SECRET
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It's classic Xavier de Ligonnès.
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“Hey, everybody!
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Hello, everybody...
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Big surprise!
We've been transferred to the US.”
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That’s totally Xavier.
I can hear his voice.
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The traffic is insane, huh?
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I met Xavier here in Versailles,
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in the mid-1970s.
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I’ve known him since we were 16-years-old.
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We became best friends right away.
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We were neighbors...
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on Avenue Maréchal Foch where...
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where Xavier lived and where I lived.
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The first floor
with the room of Xavier on the right.
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Versailles remains the city
of the palace of King Louis XIV.
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The city of the Sun King.
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And many aristocratic Catholic families
still remain.
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We were all from that world.
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Meaning we were all nobles.
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And Xavier didn’t come
from just any noble family.
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Xavier's family was very prestigious.
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Xavier's father was a count.
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He was the Count Dupont de Ligonnès.
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In this family
there had been musketeers,
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a castle in the center of France,
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the signet ring
with the family’s coat of arms,
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with the... family motto.
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All that is very important.
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Especially to Xavier.
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He met Agnès in the early 80s.
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He was a handsome guy of 20.
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She fell crazy in love with him.
She was 16 or 17.
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Agnès was a beautiful woman.
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She was very traditional,
very... conservative.
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And Xavier introduced me to her
and they were together and in love.
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But Xavier longed for adventure.
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He wanted to seek new horizons,
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and Xavier broke up with Agnès.
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Xavier left to go traveling.
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And then, one year later,
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when Xavier returned to Versailles,
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he found Agnès pregnant by someone else.
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To my great surprise,
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he chose to marry Agnès
and keep her baby.
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That is, to adopt him
and give him his name:
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Arthur Dupont de Ligonnès.
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Which in Versailles, you just didn’t do.
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You didn’t marry an unwed mother,
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a girl who had had a baby
outside of marriage.
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I found that very...
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very courageous of Xavier
to take that initiative.
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And then they built a family.
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They were beautiful.
Not your everyday family.
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They were aristocrats, nobles,
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with the values of Versailles
and a lot of love.
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And this noble family man,
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who's writing this eight-page letter,
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claims to be a "spy" for the DEA.
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But because he’s such an exceptional man,
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the readers’ first reaction was...
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"maybe."
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But Agnès’ family sent the letter
to the Nantes district attorney saying,
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“Listen, he's saying...
all kinds of strange things.
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Agnès would never have left
with the children
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without telling us or giving us a call.”
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The police return to the house
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to do a more thorough investigation.
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The police find that photos are missing
from their frames,
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like when someone leaves
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and takes the pictures
that are dear to them.
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But there's still absolutely
nothing suspicious in the house.
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Agnès’ family was saying,
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“Come on. A family
doesn’t disappear like that.”
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It's her family
who put pressure on the police.
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And each time,
they didn't observe anything unusual.
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Until that last visit
on the 21st of April.
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The police lieutenant finds something odd
under the terrace.
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That same day,
the district attorney, Xavier Ronsin,
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holds a press conference
at the courthouse to say,
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"It's unusual
that this family has disappeared.
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We’re opening an investigation
into a worrying disappearance.”
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Then, suddenly, the district attorney
halts the press conference
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and answers the phone.
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When they were digging under the terrace
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they discovered plastic bags,
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large trash bags bound up with tape.
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COURTHOUSE
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And then he came back.
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The district attorney said,
"Look, we’re going to delay this.”
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The press know something important
has happened.
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Bodies were discovered
under the terrace of this house.
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It's a discovery
that's unbelievably shocking.
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They stumble onto bodies, onto a massacre.
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It's truly terrible.
It's really hard to take.
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I'm watching it live on a TV channel.
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It's a horrible tragedy.
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They'll find them all
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wrapped in blankets and duvets,
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then tied up and put into plastic bags.
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There's a small religious icon
next to each body:
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a little candle, a cross.
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That illustrates it's an imitation
of a religious burial.
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It also shows there’s an affectional bond
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between the perpetrator
and the buried bodies.
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It’s as though someone had carried out
a burial on Catholic ground.
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Except it isn’t a cemetery,
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it's under the terrace in the garden.
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And in these graves,
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there are the bodies of the mother, Agnès,
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and three of the children:
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Arthur, Benoît, and Anne.
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Even the two dogs, all in the same grave.
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And in a separate grave,
the body of Thomas.
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But one is missing.
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Where is Xavier?
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Is his body there?
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Is it somewhere in the house?
In the basement? In the attic?
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You have four children,
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the mother, two dogs, but no father.
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And from that point forward,
Xavier became the prime suspect.
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Having discovered that
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès had disappeared
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the investigating judge issued a warrant
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and sent it
to all member countries of Interpol.
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This is known as an international warrant.
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FATHER WANTED
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For many friends, it's impossible
that Xavier is the murderer.
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We know the individual,
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we know the man,
and we know it’s not possible.
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Where they found the bodies,
it’s very low down.
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Between the ground and the balcony
it’s very low,
258
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:26,313
and Xavier had terrible back pain.
259
00:18:26,396 --> 00:18:28,273
He always complained about his bad back,
260
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which kept him from bending
261
00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:33,737
and... it’s just technically impossible.
262
00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:40,077
He couldn’t have dug holes
under that balcony.
263
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If it’s not him, it’s someone else.
264
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FAMILY DECIMATED
INQUIRY INTO THE NANTES MYSTERY
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It’s absolutely incredible.
266
00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:51,213
And I don't believe it.
267
00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:55,092
I don't believe it. He's a true friend.
268
00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:58,470
When I had my car accident, he was there.
269
00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:01,640
I broke my neck
and I couldn’t play music anymore.
270
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I could no longer play
the piano or the guitar,
271
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,228
and he knew that, to me,
that was everything.
272
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Without my having to say anything,
he knew my suffering and he knew my pain.
273
00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:14,403
And above all else,
he helped me get through it all.
274
00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:17,865
He was there to take my hand, to tell me,
275
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"You're my friend, I love you.
276
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Don't worry, I'll never let you down."
277
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So, for me, he was a good guy.
278
00:19:29,751 --> 00:19:33,046
He has the characteristics
of a father hen.
279
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Like a mother hen, who...
280
00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,802
sits on her eggs
and takes care of her children.
281
00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,138
He's a father who's very present.
282
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He's very concerned about his children.
283
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Above all, he's tactile.
284
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He hugs them. He takes them in his arms.
285
00:19:50,647 --> 00:19:52,065
Xavier loved his family.
286
00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:57,821
It’s not possible that he could kill
his four children, his wife,
287
00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:02,492
and to be a suspect
of such a heinous crime.
288
00:20:13,086 --> 00:20:17,424
The main concern for investigators
is determining what happened.
289
00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:20,219
How were the victims killed?
At what moment?
290
00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:27,309
From the autopsy, we found
sleeping pills in the children’s viscera.
291
00:20:29,353 --> 00:20:31,480
Meaning they were put to sleep.
292
00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:39,112
Agnès didn’t have drugs in her system,
293
00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:44,618
but she had a sleep apnea machine
which helped her to sleep.
294
00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:48,288
And Agnès’ apnea machine
stopped suddenly at three a.m.
295
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:50,707
on the morning of the 3rd or 4th April.
296
00:20:54,753 --> 00:20:58,674
It appears
that the first victim was the mother.
297
00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:02,010
And then...
298
00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,347
the children were killed.
299
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,144
Each victim was killed
by two bullets to the head.
300
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:17,317
The bullets extracted from the bodies
had been shot from a .22 long rifle.
301
00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,738
Yet, the neighbors were not awoken
by any gun shots.
302
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,325
These are methodical executions.
303
00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:28,787
They're all in their pajamas.
304
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,374
So they've all been killed in their sleep.
305
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,131
But there’s an incredible mystery.
306
00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:43,927
There's no trace of blood in the bedrooms.
307
00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:50,976
There's no trace of blood
in the living room.
308
00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,687
Nothing in the foyer...
309
00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:55,731
in the bathroom.
310
00:21:57,232 --> 00:22:00,527
Nothing on any walls,
any furniture, the ground.
311
00:22:00,610 --> 00:22:04,072
In other words,
there's zero blood, five victims.
312
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,034
A total mystery,
313
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,578
where someone kills five people
314
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,621
in the same place, the same house,
315
00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:13,165
and leaves no trace.
316
00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:15,917
And then, well,
317
00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:21,506
when the crime scene investigators
take samples,
318
00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:27,471
they don't find any fingerprints or DNA
from anyone.
319
00:22:28,805 --> 00:22:34,394
There's still no absolute physical proof
implicating Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès.
320
00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:39,066
Xavier was 50 years old,
321
00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:43,236
had never had any problems with the law,
322
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,740
and now he’s a criminal mastermind.
323
00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:56,208
This is Xavier
as head of the perfect family.
324
00:22:58,126 --> 00:23:00,003
You see, Xavier...
325
00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:03,799
was the heir to the family name.
326
00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:07,219
It’s even more important
in light of what's happened,
327
00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:13,683
because Xavier, by killing his three sons,
kills his lineage.
328
00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:18,355
And for the aristocratic world,
for the French nobility, this is dreadful,
329
00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:20,649
because you're terminating a lineage.
330
00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:32,411
This family gives the impression
of being wholesome,
331
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:36,665
an old family,
with children in private schools...
332
00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:38,500
nice house, et cetera.
333
00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:41,920
Anyway, they dig a little,
and Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès,
334
00:23:42,003 --> 00:23:46,216
well, he doesn't lead the life
that he's pretending to.
335
00:23:49,803 --> 00:23:53,765
In the early 2000s, they try
to relocate to the USA, to Florida.
336
00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,226
But they don't succeed.
337
00:23:57,185 --> 00:23:58,854
They thought it would be simple.
338
00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:00,272
When, actually, it wasn't.
339
00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:04,234
So they try that
before settling back in France.
340
00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,488
Due to this failed American Dream,
341
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,074
they've more or less
spent all their money.
342
00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:15,704
The last ten years, 2001-2011,
343
00:24:15,787 --> 00:24:17,956
he's in a downward spiral of failure.
344
00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:19,749
They lose a lot of money.
345
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,544
He's got bailiffs on his back.
346
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,796
Well, nothing but problems.
347
00:24:27,048 --> 00:24:29,926
But he claims to be a business owner,
348
00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:32,762
that he's creating successful companies,
349
00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:37,142
that he's traveling all across France,
being a busy businessman, etc.
350
00:24:37,225 --> 00:24:41,271
The truth is his companies
have never been really successful.
351
00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:47,110
He knew that in a short while...
352
00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:49,863
there would be no money left.
353
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:54,326
So, eventually,
he'll have to leave his house, etc.
354
00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,913
This is going to be serious,
with severe consequences.
355
00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:00,999
He was about to be found out...
356
00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,920
to be someone unsuccessful.
357
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,383
He's vain, proud.
358
00:25:10,884 --> 00:25:12,385
He doesn't want to lose face.
359
00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:16,014
He doesn't want his children to find out
he's got no money, that he's ruined.
360
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,975
It's like he was on a mission...
361
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,313
to save his children from disgrace,
362
00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:27,651
from finding out their father didn't have
the life people thought he had.
363
00:25:29,152 --> 00:25:32,405
He's looking for something
that could help materially...
364
00:25:33,406 --> 00:25:35,033
to avoid these consequences.
365
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:46,086
Then, came the death of Xavier
Dupont de Logonnès' father, Hubert.
366
00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:53,843
I was a neighbor of the count,
Xavier's father.
367
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,471
We lived in the same building.
368
00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:59,724
That's how we came to know each other,
little by little.
369
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:08,024
January 20, 2011, I found out that Hubert
had died from a heart attack.
370
00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:12,821
So, the apartment had to be cleared out,
371
00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,573
and Xavier tackled it,
372
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,534
namely, sorting through
his father's personal belongings.
373
00:26:17,617 --> 00:26:19,869
What he was interested in, apparently,
374
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:24,207
was to recover a ring
which had belonged to his father.
375
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,252
It was a count's ring.
376
00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:29,921
A count's signet ring, to be precise.
377
00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:36,803
He tried to find out
if there was any money set aside.
378
00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,723
Apparently, he didn't find anything.
379
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:41,725
In fact, he told me there wasn't anything.
380
00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,312
So those words
came from Xavier's own mouth.
381
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:52,319
There was no money left.
382
00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:55,447
There had, actually,
been big money problems for years.
383
00:26:55,530 --> 00:27:00,785
In fact, the father, the count,
the end of his life was very sad:
384
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:04,289
illness, loneliness, poverty...
385
00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,085
Near poverty,
he was no longer living in splendor.
386
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:11,171
It was a rented apartment.
387
00:27:11,254 --> 00:27:13,590
And I think that this failed life
388
00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:16,843
is something that profoundly resonates
389
00:27:16,926 --> 00:27:22,682
in his feelings, possibly in his thoughts.
390
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:28,855
And then, there's a second event,
critical to this case.
391
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,484
Xavier discovers that there's no money,
392
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,820
but he does find a weapon.
393
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:38,907
A .22 caliber long rifle.
394
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:49,042
So, the last time I saw Xavier was
after clearing out his father's apartment.
395
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:51,753
There's a strange image
that's stayed with me.
396
00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:57,300
It was the first time I saw him like that.
His expression was unusual.
397
00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:58,677
When you know Xavier,
398
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,471
he was someone
very nice, smiley, pleasant.
399
00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,392
But the last image I have of him
really is...
400
00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:07,644
I found that very...
401
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,942
He had a dark look in his eyes.
402
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:32,293
Before inheriting his father's rifle,
403
00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,046
no one in his entourage says
404
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,425
that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès
had any interest in weapons.
405
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:43,054
It's from the moment
he inherits this rifle from his father
406
00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,556
that he learns how to shoot.
407
00:28:48,643 --> 00:28:52,313
He even went to the shooting range
with two of his sons.
408
00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:58,361
He posed a few questions
to his shooting instructor,
409
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:02,073
notably,
on the eventual use of a silencer.
410
00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:07,203
Then, he bought a silencer.
411
00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:11,624
A silencer to fit the long rifle,
412
00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:16,087
allowing him to shoot in downtown Nantes
413
00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:18,214
without alerting the neighbors.
414
00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:34,731
There's a discovery, a shocking one too,
415
00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:39,152
that when they dug under the terrace,
416
00:29:39,235 --> 00:29:41,488
there's the body of Agnès, the mother,
417
00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:44,908
and the bodies of three of the children
in the same grave.
418
00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:48,077
And you've got a grave next to it,
with Thomas' body inside.
419
00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:51,581
Now, it seems that Thomas wasn't killed
420
00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:54,626
at the same time as his brothers
and sister and his mother.
421
00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,963
The four children are there
both the Saturday and Sunday.
422
00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:03,134
And, in fact, Thomas has to leave
423
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,262
to go back to his Catholic university,
424
00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:08,431
and Xavier lets him go.
425
00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:13,520
The massacre takes place
during the night of Sunday to Monday.
426
00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:20,360
And on Tuesday, he tells him,
427
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:22,695
"Listen, you have to come back.
428
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,198
Your mother has had a bicycle accident.
429
00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:29,118
She's in hospital, in a coma.
We don't know if she'll come out of it.
430
00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:31,120
It's very serious. You have to come home."
431
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,292
So, on the Tuesday evening,
he goes back home.
432
00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:40,713
The last we hear from Thomas
is at midnight
433
00:30:40,797 --> 00:30:44,467
when he sends a text message to a friend.
434
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,889
His friend gets back to him.
It's a little after midnight,
435
00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:52,141
and that message will remain unanswered.
436
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,395
The drug took effect at that time.
437
00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:59,107
Thomas was never seen again.
438
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:05,238
He very likely got killed
during the night of Tuesday to Wednesday
439
00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:07,782
and buried in a separate grave.
440
00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:11,786
So, why such an interval?
441
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,956
I do believe he hesitated to kill him.
442
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:20,003
I think Arthur wasn't his biological son.
443
00:31:20,086 --> 00:31:22,505
Thomas was, so he was the eldest.
444
00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:26,926
So he was the heir,
the one who would bear the name,
445
00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:29,929
be nobility.
446
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:35,018
The last one to carry it,
as there are no other sons in the family.
447
00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:38,104
So, he must have hesitated.
448
00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:52,660
As the bodies of the whole family
and the two dogs were discovered,
449
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:56,372
the police searched for Xavier
Dupont de Ligonnès, the prime suspect.
450
00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:58,750
The date is April 21st,
451
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:02,128
and they haven't been seen
since April fourth.
452
00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:08,092
So, nearly three weeks went by
without a search.
453
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:15,099
So the police searched hotels
and restaurants around France.
454
00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:17,810
Very quickly, on April 22nd,
455
00:32:17,894 --> 00:32:21,606
they find Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès' car
456
00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:23,983
in the parking lot
of a small Formule 1 hotel,
457
00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,319
in Roquebrune-sur-Argens in the south.
458
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,446
Once they find his car,
459
00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:34,118
the police reconstruct the week
prior to the disappearances.
460
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,707
The massacre of the family took place
the nights of April third and fourth.
461
00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:48,675
The police discover that Xavier
spent the whole week inside the house.
462
00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:52,929
He was seen alone
by acquaintances from Nantes.
463
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:56,891
And then, they discover that...
464
00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:59,227
one week after the murders,
465
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:02,271
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès
took his car and left Nantes.
466
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,484
We know that because...
467
00:33:07,902 --> 00:33:10,863
his car got flashed by a speed camera...
468
00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:13,074
between Nantes and La Rochelle.
469
00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:22,834
Around noon,
Xavier would be located in a restaurant.
470
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:26,337
The credit card's time stamp
certifies this.
471
00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:29,132
Then, in the evening,
at a hotel in La Rochelle.
472
00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:32,051
The next day, he heads south.
473
00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:34,846
He heads towards the southwest.
474
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,393
The police say that he's gone on the run.
475
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:42,854
He's fleeing, a fugitive.
476
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,482
But he doesn't go very fast. He's not...
477
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:50,319
hitting the road
to put hundreds of kilometers
478
00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:54,240
between his house and his destination.
479
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,330
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès isn't hiding.
480
00:34:03,207 --> 00:34:05,293
He's withdrawing money with his bank card.
481
00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:09,047
We know that because we see him.
482
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,388
He goes to restaurants,
leaving bills, credit card receipts.
483
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:19,182
So, he doesn't care.
484
00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:21,476
It's rather strange,
485
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:26,272
considering the amount of caution
and work around the crime scene,
486
00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:30,401
to fool the investigators.
487
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,823
Now, we've got
an accumulation of evidence.
488
00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,159
He doesn't want to hide.
489
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:40,703
Why?
490
00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:47,919
Of course,
491
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:51,506
in the majority of cases
of family massacres,
492
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:54,759
when you're dealing with the slaughter
of a family, it's difficult.
493
00:34:54,842 --> 00:34:56,552
Usually, the murderer commits suicide
494
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,596
after having killed his entire family.
495
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,350
The thought was
this is someone about to kill himself.
496
00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:08,773
The police interpreted it as a pilgrimage.
497
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:10,942
So no need to hide.
498
00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:14,779
It's a farewell
499
00:35:14,862 --> 00:35:18,616
to his past life,
to places where he had been happy.
500
00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:22,245
All the southeast PACA area,
501
00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:27,083
where he had lived with Agnès
during the first years of their marriage.
502
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,169
Some of his kids were born there.
503
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:34,257
The years he spent in the south
were happy years...
504
00:35:34,757 --> 00:35:39,637
which made people think
that he would end the story
505
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,347
where it had been so good.
506
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,439
The last known stop is
Roquebrune-sur-Argens.
507
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,486
And there,
508
00:35:55,570 --> 00:36:00,408
he spends the night
in a Formule 1 hotel.
509
00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:07,790
They recover the...
510
00:36:08,624 --> 00:36:10,710
CCTV images.
511
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,629
They discover an image
512
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,215
where he's crossing
the hotel parking lot...
513
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:20,803
carrying a bag.
514
00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:25,308
At the bottom of this sort of carryall...
515
00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,936
clothes bag, there's a long object.
516
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:34,442
So, the investigators think
he's got the rifle that killed his family
517
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:37,445
there, in the bag,
and he's disappearing with it.
518
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:41,115
He looks into the camera
and somehow is saying, "Goodbye".
519
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:56,005
What's in Roquebrune-sur-Argens?
Cliffs, a mountain.
520
00:36:56,088 --> 00:37:00,343
Lots of things that make you think,
"Right, he killed his family,
521
00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,929
so he hid in the rocks
and killed himself."
522
00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:08,601
This image of a man walking away
with a rifle in a bag,
523
00:37:09,268 --> 00:37:11,354
will convince the investigators
524
00:37:11,437 --> 00:37:14,565
that he left for the backcountry
to commit suicide.
525
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,740
There's zone one and zone two, so...
526
00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:27,995
For weeks,
527
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,123
there are search parties looking for him.
528
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,378
We're looking for traces of a crossing
or a body.
529
00:37:35,461 --> 00:37:36,754
Clues, in fact.
530
00:37:36,837 --> 00:37:40,466
Clues or a body, a corpse.
531
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:45,054
So they're looking in holes,
in rocks, in caves.
532
00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:49,183
For two months, the first aid workers,
the gendarmes, the firemen,
533
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,311
searched every nook and cranny
with mountain guides.
534
00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:01,862
No body was ever found.
535
00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:09,203
They were certain
he had committed suicide.
536
00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:11,789
And I believe he fooled them all.
537
00:38:15,751 --> 00:38:19,046
In these family crimes, called familicide,
538
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:21,549
in 98% of cases,
539
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:26,012
the father, who's the murderer,
commits suicide on the spot.
540
00:38:27,346 --> 00:38:30,933
Predictably enough, the investigators
thought that was the case.
541
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,437
They didn't think
he could be the one or two percent
542
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,522
of those who go on the run.
543
00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:45,656
There's so much care,
work, organization
544
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:50,619
to deceive the investigators,
545
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:52,371
to buy time.
546
00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:56,208
And it worked.
547
00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,212
Like a chess player,
he had planned two things.
548
00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:04,008
First, that it'd take as long as possible
before the bodies were found.
549
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:10,222
And then he thought, "I need more time.
550
00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:14,268
So, Roquebrune-sur-Argens,
a place I know well,
551
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,523
when they find out I've been there,
they'll search all the surroundings."
552
00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:24,362
And that's what happened.
Xavier escaped.
553
00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:38,125
We see a happy family.
554
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:41,253
A family-- That's what is--
555
00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:46,092
That's what-- How can I put it?
That's what appalls me and makes me angry.
556
00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:48,302
How can you decide that one day...
557
00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:52,139
you'll strip your children
of their future?
558
00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:54,058
How can you...
559
00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:55,935
take people's lives?
560
00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,313
How can you take people's lives?
561
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,649
That's totally inconceivable.
562
00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:03,984
Unspeakable.
563
00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:15,871
Nobody knows what happened to him.
564
00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:19,625
No plane ticket was bought under his name,
565
00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,710
no cars have disappeared,
566
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:24,088
no cars have been rented,
567
00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:27,091
no train ticket has been purchased
under his name.
568
00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:31,804
There isn't the slightest clue as to where
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès could be.
569
00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:36,725
You know, in this area,
you can take a boat.
570
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:38,602
The sea is 30 kilometers away.
571
00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:43,524
You can take a cargo ship
in Fos, near Marseille.
572
00:40:43,941 --> 00:40:46,402
You can take the highway to go to Italy.
573
00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:50,406
You can even take
the mountain paths to go to Italy.
574
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:56,537
You can board a train and go to Croatia
and start from there.
575
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,832
It's totally mind-blowing,
576
00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:05,713
and that will turn him
into a master of disappearance.
577
00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:09,758
Not of the perfect crime,
as the bodies will be found.
578
00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:13,471
Even though I'm sure he believed
that they wouldn't be found in the garden.
579
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:15,848
But the perfect disappearance,
580
00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,477
as to this day, years and years later,
he still hasn't been caught.
581
00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:25,107
Now, we can agree
that there are a vast number of clues,
582
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:28,277
but we don't know what really happened.
583
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,574
This case remains unsolved, mysterious.
584
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,328
We'd all really like to find out
what happened
585
00:41:37,995 --> 00:41:40,164
and where...
586
00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:45,503
the main suspect involved in this case is,
that is, the father.
587
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:47,254
A lot of questions.
588
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:53,385
Seeing that house all closed up,
I was asking myself, "Where are they?"
589
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,597
Now the question is, "Where can he be?"
590
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,811
I believe he's alive.
591
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:07,942
I think Latin America because
592
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:11,237
he's bilingual in English.
His English is very good.
593
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,574
His Spanish is pretty good,
so he would be at ease.
594
00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:18,786
I think that he went to...
595
00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:23,165
either Hamburg
or Tangiers to take a cargo ship.
596
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:27,503
And he went to Latin America,
Argentina, or you know.
597
00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:31,882
He's got dark hair with dark eyes.
He can grow a beard, shave his head.
598
00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,011
The problem in this case
599
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:39,932
is that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès
looks a bit like everybody else,
600
00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:42,101
with no strong features.
601
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:44,853
He's of average height.
602
00:42:44,937 --> 00:42:47,648
Physically, he doesn't stand out.
603
00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,650
He's physically normal.
604
00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,486
And there's nothing worse
in this kind of situation
605
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,446
than physically normal people,
606
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:57,741
because they stay unnoticed
or they draw too much attention.
607
00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:00,452
You spot him everywhere
and nowhere at the same time.
608
00:43:08,877 --> 00:43:12,172
My only question,
as he's still my friend,
609
00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:17,803
is how can he look himself
in the mirror every night, every morning,
610
00:43:18,512 --> 00:43:19,638
brushing his teeth,
611
00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,057
shaving,
612
00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:24,226
and think about his children
who he loved.
613
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:27,646
Because he loved them.
A lot. He was a real father.
614
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,732
That, for me, is a mystery.
615
00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:33,193
It's a big mystery.
616
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,446
Yeah.