1 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:19,561 [woman, in French] I saw the house all closed up. 2 00:00:21,396 --> 00:00:23,898 I've always seen that house with the shutters open. 3 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:26,735 It was a shock. 4 00:00:28,611 --> 00:00:31,489 I knew something terrible had happened. 5 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,119 They seemed like a normal family. 6 00:00:36,911 --> 00:00:37,954 Totally normal. 7 00:00:39,789 --> 00:00:42,625 But no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors. 8 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,880 [theme music plays] 9 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:32,509 [woman] Nantes... 10 00:01:33,551 --> 00:01:36,346 Nantes is a large French city, 11 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:41,184 situated in the west of France on the Atlantic coast. 12 00:01:42,936 --> 00:01:45,146 It really is a city of culture. 13 00:01:47,065 --> 00:01:49,692 Life is fairly peaceful.... 14 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:50,902 very quiet. 15 00:01:53,029 --> 00:01:57,117 In the middle of the town there's a residential neighborhood, 16 00:01:57,242 --> 00:02:01,162 where you see upper middle-class people. 17 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,666 They take care of their children who go to school nearby. 18 00:02:04,999 --> 00:02:07,794 They also go to church a lot, to mass. 19 00:02:08,586 --> 00:02:10,046 It's fairly peaceful. 20 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:16,803 -And then... -[church bell tolls] 21 00:02:16,886 --> 00:02:18,888 ...the Dupont de Ligonnès murders happened. 22 00:02:20,014 --> 00:02:25,186 THE HOUSE OF TERROR 23 00:02:36,948 --> 00:02:40,285 The story is an enigma that perplexes everyone, 24 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:41,828 with lots of mystery. 25 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:48,334 It's something that 26 00:02:48,835 --> 00:02:50,211 no one saw coming. 27 00:02:50,295 --> 00:02:52,547 That such events took place... 28 00:02:54,048 --> 00:02:55,341 is unthinkable. 29 00:02:57,343 --> 00:03:00,930 We're on Shuman Boulevard in Nantes, 30 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:04,058 across from number 55. 31 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:06,394 That's where the drama took place. 32 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:10,899 It's a house where, after 2011, 33 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:13,443 people slowed down or stopped 34 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:16,279 to see what we call 35 00:03:16,362 --> 00:03:17,530 the House of Horror. 36 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:20,241 It still... 37 00:03:21,576 --> 00:03:26,122 haunts everyone who knew the family, you know? 38 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:38,593 [woman 2] I know the family because they moved into a house 39 00:03:38,676 --> 00:03:40,178 at 55 Shuman Boulevard. 40 00:03:41,262 --> 00:03:44,974 I moved to number 61 in 1992, 41 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:47,310 and they brought some work in for me. 42 00:03:47,393 --> 00:03:51,356 I did alterations for the children, for Agnès. 43 00:03:51,773 --> 00:03:53,858 And I ironed the husband's shirts. 44 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:56,194 I saw the family regularly. 45 00:03:56,277 --> 00:03:58,905 I'd see Agnès picking up the children from school every day. 46 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:01,282 I watched them pass the store every day. 47 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:04,744 So it was a really lively, busy house. 48 00:04:05,578 --> 00:04:07,622 There are four children, two parents. 49 00:04:08,414 --> 00:04:11,709 The father, Count Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, 50 00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:14,128 he's a businessman who'd had some success. 51 00:04:14,712 --> 00:04:18,758 He's comfortable communicating with people and quick to laugh. 52 00:04:20,218 --> 00:04:25,098 The pretty mother, Agnès, works in a Catholic school. 53 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:28,142 They have four beautiful children. 54 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:31,604 Arthur, the eldest. 55 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:34,148 Arthur is a very handsome young man. 56 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:37,235 He's 20 at this time 57 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:41,614 and goes to a private Catholic college. 58 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:45,493 There's Thomas, who's 18. 59 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:48,746 He's a shy boy. 60 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:51,874 He studies musicology. 61 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,085 He's a passionate-- crazy about music. 62 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:57,255 Anne is 16. 63 00:04:57,755 --> 00:05:00,300 She's a very pretty young girl. 64 00:05:00,383 --> 00:05:03,886 She models for mail order catalogs. 65 00:05:05,221 --> 00:05:06,222 A very good student. 66 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:09,058 She's the best student of all the children. 67 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:13,062 She's at a private Catholic school called La Perverie. 68 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:16,733 The same high school as Benoît. 69 00:05:17,942 --> 00:05:20,278 Benoît is the last and is 13 years old. 70 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:21,946 [imitates drums] He's crazy about drums. 71 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:24,324 He plays the drums all the time. 72 00:05:24,407 --> 00:05:27,618 So, that makes a lot of noise in the house. 73 00:05:28,286 --> 00:05:30,163 And there you are. 74 00:05:30,246 --> 00:05:33,207 Seemingly, a golden family. 75 00:05:40,673 --> 00:05:41,507 [Chapon] One day, 76 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:46,346 I sensed something that troubled me. 77 00:05:47,847 --> 00:05:49,557 It was a Monday afternoon at 2:00 p.m. 78 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,434 when I discovered the house was closed up. 79 00:05:53,061 --> 00:05:56,356 I passed in front of the house and I saw this note on the mailbox, 80 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:59,776 that said to stop leaving mail there. 81 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:01,027 RETURN MAIL TO SENDER THANK YOU 82 00:06:01,694 --> 00:06:03,905 And then I saw the closed shutters. 83 00:06:04,447 --> 00:06:05,948 I said, "That's so weird." 84 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:07,742 I just felt that something was wrong. 85 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:12,121 The shutters were always open. 86 00:06:12,663 --> 00:06:14,457 Even when they went on vacation, 87 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,167 they were always open. 88 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:23,299 Tuesday, I went back to work, and it was the same. It hadn't changed. 89 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:28,471 Wednesday morning, I went to work, and obviously nothing had changed. 90 00:06:28,554 --> 00:06:31,599 I kept asking myself, "Where are they?" 91 00:06:32,975 --> 00:06:35,812 And so, I called the police. 92 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:44,320 [buzzer buzzes] 93 00:06:46,989 --> 00:06:50,201 [man] When the police arrive, it's the local police. 94 00:06:50,701 --> 00:06:52,453 It's just a home visit 95 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:56,207 to make sure nothing out of the ordinary is taking place inside the house. 96 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:58,960 The front door is locked. 97 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:00,461 The shutters are closed. 98 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:02,672 They have to call a locksmith to open the door. 99 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:04,757 [indistinct radio chatter] 100 00:07:08,928 --> 00:07:13,641 And there, they find that basically everything in the house is in its place. 101 00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:16,144 There are some bedrooms where the sheets have been removed. 102 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:20,690 Some closets are open. 103 00:07:23,025 --> 00:07:25,194 [Bloch] All of that seems totally normal. 104 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:30,491 So, the police feel that the residents have left voluntarily. 105 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:35,705 There's nothing out of the ordinary which would necessitate 106 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:39,250 launching a formal police investigation. 107 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:46,174 [Chapon] But some of the cars were still there, except the C5. 108 00:07:47,049 --> 00:07:49,802 And they couldn't all leave in a C5. 109 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:51,429 It was impossible. 110 00:07:51,512 --> 00:07:54,474 With the bags, six people, and the dogs. 111 00:07:54,557 --> 00:07:57,768 I don't know, but if you think about it-- It's obvious, you know. 112 00:07:57,852 --> 00:08:00,646 The police were staring at me and listening to me like they thought, 113 00:08:01,647 --> 00:08:03,065 "What has she been smoking?" 114 00:08:11,115 --> 00:08:16,954 And then, several letters from Xavier and Agnès arrived. 115 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:20,291 They had been addressed to friends and relatives. 116 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:24,545 The letters said... 117 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:28,466 "Okay, well, as you know, I've had links with the US... 118 00:08:28,549 --> 00:08:30,551 WE ARE BEING LOOKED AFTER BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT 119 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:32,637 The Americans have recruited me... 120 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,804 AND "TRANSFERRED" TO THE USA 121 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:37,850 ...to infiltrate an international drug ring. 122 00:08:38,976 --> 00:08:42,146 This will be hard. You won't see us for a long while... 123 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:43,856 (NO EMAILS, NO TEXT MESSAGES, NO TELEPHONE) 124 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:47,443 ...as we're going to change identity, be under protection, 125 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:48,945 and won't be contactable at all." 126 00:08:50,446 --> 00:08:56,410 In fact, he was a spy for the US drug squad, the DEA. 127 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:02,250 And bizarrely, this letter comes from Xavier and Agnès Dupont de Ligonnès. 128 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,796 Xavier is well-known, respectable, 129 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:09,715 and Agnès has a Bible study group. 130 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:11,634 She goes to mass on Sundays. 131 00:09:12,468 --> 00:09:14,011 They're not the type to lie. 132 00:09:14,845 --> 00:09:15,972 WORKING INCOGNITO FOR THE DEA 133 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:19,183 So, they are actually spies for the DEA. 134 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:21,894 It's simply baffling. 135 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:23,980 KEEP IT SECRET 136 00:09:24,063 --> 00:09:25,648 [man] It's classic Xavier de Ligonnès. 137 00:09:26,315 --> 00:09:28,484 "Hey, everybody! Hello, everybody. 138 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:31,112 [in English] Hello, everybody... [in French] Hello, everybody. 139 00:09:31,195 --> 00:09:34,031 Big surprise! We've been transferred to the US." 140 00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:36,576 That's totally Xavier. I can hear his voice. 141 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,459 -[siren wailing] -The traffic is insane, huh? 142 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,673 I met Xavier here in Versailles, 143 00:09:51,173 --> 00:09:54,010 in the mid-1970s. 144 00:09:55,052 --> 00:09:56,679 I've known him since we were 16 years old. 145 00:09:57,722 --> 00:10:00,099 We became best friends right away. 146 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:01,934 We were neighbors... 147 00:10:04,353 --> 00:10:07,523 on Avenue Maréchal Foch where... 148 00:10:08,357 --> 00:10:10,610 where Xavier lives and where I live. 149 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:15,448 [in English] The first floor, with the room of Xavier on the right. 150 00:10:20,911 --> 00:10:24,790 [in French] Versailles remains the city of the palace of King Louis XIV. 151 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:27,293 The city of the Sun King. 152 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:30,046 And many aristocratic Catholic families still remain. 153 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,340 We were all from that world. 154 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:34,925 Meaning we were all nobles. 155 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:39,138 And Xavier didn't come from just any noble family. 156 00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:42,975 Xavier's family was very prestigious. 157 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:46,896 Xavier's father was a count. 158 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:50,358 He was the Count Dupont de Ligonnès. 159 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:52,443 In this family there had been musketeers, 160 00:10:52,526 --> 00:10:54,820 a castle in the center of France, 161 00:10:55,404 --> 00:10:57,948 the signet ring with the family's coat of arms, 162 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:01,118 with the... family motto. 163 00:11:02,578 --> 00:11:04,121 All that is very important. 164 00:11:04,205 --> 00:11:05,956 Especially to Xavier. 165 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:11,671 He met Agnès in the early '80s. 166 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:14,215 He was a handsome guy of 20. 167 00:11:14,715 --> 00:11:17,635 She fell crazy in love with him. She was 16 or 17. 168 00:11:18,636 --> 00:11:20,471 Agnès was a beautiful woman. 169 00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:24,475 She was very traditional, very... conservative. 170 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:28,938 And Xavier introduced me to her and they were together and in love. 171 00:11:30,898 --> 00:11:33,734 But Xavier longed for adventure. 172 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,903 He wanted to seek new horizons, 173 00:11:35,986 --> 00:11:37,279 and Xavier broke up with Agnès. 174 00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:40,950 Xavier left to go traveling. 175 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:44,620 And then, one year later, 176 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,372 when Xavier returned to Versailles, 177 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:49,959 he found that Agnès had become pregnant by another man. 178 00:11:51,043 --> 00:11:53,295 To my great surprise, 179 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:56,173 he chose to marry Agnès and keep her baby. 180 00:11:57,883 --> 00:11:59,552 That is, to adopt him and give him his name: 181 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:01,804 Arthur Dupont de Ligonnès. 182 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:04,557 Which in Versailles, you just didn't do. 183 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,060 You didn't marry an unwed mother, 184 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,646 a girl who had had a baby outside of marriage. 185 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:13,774 I found that very... 186 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,361 very courageous of Xavier, to take that initiative. 187 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:25,286 And then they built a family. 188 00:12:26,036 --> 00:12:28,497 They were beautiful. Not your everyday family. 189 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:32,960 They were aristocrats, nobles, 190 00:12:33,502 --> 00:12:35,880 with the values of Versailles and a lot of love. 191 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:44,013 [Martin] And this noble family man, 192 00:12:44,096 --> 00:12:46,390 who's writing this eight-page letter, 193 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:50,144 claims to be a "spy" for the DEA. 194 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:54,940 But because he's such an exceptional man, 195 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:58,903 the readers' first reaction was... 196 00:13:00,029 --> 00:13:00,863 "maybe." 197 00:13:03,449 --> 00:13:09,163 But Agnès' family sent the letter to the Nantes district attorney saying, 198 00:13:09,246 --> 00:13:13,876 "Listen, he's saying... all kinds of strange things. 199 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:15,878 Agnès would never have left with the children 200 00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:19,048 without telling us or giving us a call." 201 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:23,552 [indistinct radio chatter] 202 00:13:28,724 --> 00:13:30,935 [Block] The police return to the house 203 00:13:31,018 --> 00:13:33,687 to do a more thorough investigation. 204 00:13:37,274 --> 00:13:40,778 The police find that photos are missing from their frames, 205 00:13:40,861 --> 00:13:42,112 like when someone leaves 206 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:46,158 and takes the pictures that are dear to them. 207 00:13:48,452 --> 00:13:51,539 But there's still absolutely nothing suspicious in the house. 208 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:54,917 [de Stabenrath] Agnès' family was saying, 209 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,211 "Come on. A family just doesn't disappear like that." 210 00:13:57,294 --> 00:13:59,463 It's her family who put pressure on the police. 211 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:13,060 [Bloch] And each time, they didn't observe anything unusual. 212 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,733 Until that last visit on the 21st of April. 213 00:14:22,152 --> 00:14:26,240 The police lieutenant finds something odd under the terrace. 214 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:41,755 That same day, the district attorney, Xavier Ronsin, 215 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,967 holds a press conference at the courthouse to say, 216 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:47,720 "It's unusual that this family has disappeared. 217 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:54,143 We're opening an investigation into a worrying disappearance." 218 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:58,147 Then, suddenly, the district attorney halts the press conference 219 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:59,356 and goes to answer the phone. 220 00:15:04,486 --> 00:15:07,907 When they were digging under the terrace, 221 00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:11,327 they discovered plastic bags, 222 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:13,954 large trash bags bound up with tape. 223 00:15:19,126 --> 00:15:20,711 COURTHOUSE 224 00:15:20,794 --> 00:15:22,421 [Martin] And then he came back. 225 00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:25,382 The district attorney said, "Look, we're going to delay this." 226 00:15:28,135 --> 00:15:30,596 The press knew something important had happened. 227 00:15:39,313 --> 00:15:45,110 Bodies were discovered under the terrace of this house. 228 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:56,080 It's a discovery that's unbelievably shocking. 229 00:15:56,163 --> 00:16:00,084 They stumble onto bodies, onto a massacre. 230 00:16:00,167 --> 00:16:02,586 It's truly terrible. It's really hard to take. 231 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:11,095 I'm watching it live on a TV channel. 232 00:16:11,178 --> 00:16:13,180 It's a horrible tragedy. 233 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:23,190 [Martin] They find them all wrapped in blankets and duvets, 234 00:16:23,273 --> 00:16:29,071 then tied up and put into plastic bags. 235 00:16:29,863 --> 00:16:32,866 There's a small religious icon next to each body: 236 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,952 a little candle, a cross. 237 00:16:36,245 --> 00:16:39,999 That illustrates it's an imitation of a religious burial. 238 00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:44,128 It also shows there's an affectionate bond 239 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:48,257 between the perpetrator and the buried bodies. 240 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:54,847 It's as though someone had carried out a burial on Catholic ground. 241 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,348 Except it isn't a cemetery, 242 00:16:56,432 --> 00:16:58,934 it's under the terrace in the garden. 243 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:03,355 [Bloch] And in these graves, 244 00:17:03,439 --> 00:17:05,774 there are the bodies of the mother, Agnès, 245 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,609 and three of the children: 246 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:10,320 Arthur, Benoît, and Anne. 247 00:17:11,321 --> 00:17:14,241 Even the two dogs, all in the same grave. 248 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:19,288 And in a separate grave, the body of Thomas. 249 00:17:20,956 --> 00:17:21,915 But one is missing. 250 00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:25,794 [de Stabenrath] Where is Xavier? 251 00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:28,297 Is his body there? 252 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:32,843 Is it somewhere in the house? In the basement? In the attic? 253 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,095 [Bloch] You have four children, 254 00:17:35,179 --> 00:17:38,015 the mother, two dogs, but no father. 255 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:42,478 And from that point forward, Xavier became the prime suspect. 256 00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:47,232 [Bloch] Having discovered that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès had disappeared 257 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:50,611 the investigating judge issued a warrant 258 00:17:50,694 --> 00:17:53,322 and sent it to all member countries of Interpol. 259 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:55,574 This is known as an international warrant. 260 00:18:00,954 --> 00:18:05,250 FATHER WANTED 261 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,339 [man] For many friends, it's impossible that Xavier is the murderer. 262 00:18:11,215 --> 00:18:13,300 We know the individual, 263 00:18:13,383 --> 00:18:15,594 we know the man, and we know it's not possible. 264 00:18:16,637 --> 00:18:19,932 Where they found the bodies, it's very low down. 265 00:18:20,557 --> 00:18:24,728 Between the ground and the balcony it's very low, 266 00:18:24,812 --> 00:18:26,313 and Xavier had terrible back pain. 267 00:18:26,396 --> 00:18:28,273 He complained all the time about his bad back, 268 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:30,567 which kept him from bending 269 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:33,737 and... it's just technically impossible. 270 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:40,077 He couldn't have dug holes under that balcony. 271 00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:43,872 So if it's not him, it's somebody else. 272 00:18:44,748 --> 00:18:47,543 FAMILY DECIMATED INQUIRY INTO THE NANTES MYSTERY 273 00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:48,919 It's absolutely incredible. 274 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:51,213 And I don't believe it. 275 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:55,092 [de Stabenrath] I don't believe it. He's a true friend. 276 00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:58,470 When I had my car accident, he was there. 277 00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:01,640 I broke my neck and I couldn't play music anymore. 278 00:19:01,723 --> 00:19:04,059 I could no longer play the piano or the guitar, 279 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,228 and he knew that, to me, that was everything. 280 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:11,400 Without my having to say anything, he knew my suffering and he knew my pain. 281 00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:14,403 And above all else, he helped me get through it all. 282 00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:17,865 He was there to take my hand, to tell me, 283 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:20,159 "You're my friend, I love you. 284 00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:22,828 Don't worry, I'll never let you down." 285 00:19:22,911 --> 00:19:26,373 So, for me, he was a good guy. 286 00:19:29,751 --> 00:19:33,046 [Martin] He has the characteristics of a father hen. 287 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:35,716 Like a mother hen, who... 288 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,802 sits on her eggs and takes care of her children. 289 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,138 He's a father who's very present. 290 00:19:41,638 --> 00:19:43,849 He's very concerned about his children. 291 00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:46,476 Above all, he's tactile. 292 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,021 He hugs them. He takes them in his arms. 293 00:19:50,606 --> 00:19:52,065 [Goldenstein] Xavier loved his family. 294 00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:57,821 It's not possible that he could kill his four children, his wife, 295 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:02,492 and to be a suspect in such a heinous crime. 296 00:20:13,086 --> 00:20:17,424 The main concern for investigators is determining what happened. 297 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:20,219 How were the victims killed? At what moment? 298 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:27,309 From the autopsy, we found sleeping pills in the children's viscera. 299 00:20:29,353 --> 00:20:31,480 Meaning they were put to sleep. 300 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:39,112 [Martin] Agnès didn't have drugs in her system, 301 00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:44,618 but she had a sleep apnea machine which helped her to sleep. 302 00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:48,288 And Agnès' apnea machine stopped suddenly at 3:00 a.m. 303 00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:50,499 on the morning of the 3rd or 4th of April. 304 00:20:54,753 --> 00:20:58,674 It appears that the first victim was the mother. 305 00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:02,010 And then... 306 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,347 the children were killed. 307 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,186 Each victim was killed by two bullets to the head. 308 00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:17,317 The bullets extracted from the bodies had been shot from a .22 long rifle. 309 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,738 Yet, the neighbors were not awoken by any gun shots. 310 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,325 These are methodical executions. 311 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:28,787 They're all in their pajamas. 312 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,291 So they've all been killed in their sleep. 313 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:38,964 But there's an incredible mystery. 314 00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:43,927 There's no trace of blood in the bedrooms. 315 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:50,976 There's no trace of blood in the living room. 316 00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,687 Nothing in the foyer... 317 00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:55,731 in the bathroom. 318 00:21:57,232 --> 00:22:00,527 Nothing on any walls, any furniture, the ground. 319 00:22:00,610 --> 00:22:04,072 In other words, there's zero blood, five victims. 320 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,034 A total mystery, 321 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,578 where someone kills five people 322 00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,621 in the same place, the same house, 323 00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:13,165 and leaves no trace. 324 00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:15,917 [Bloch] And then, well, 325 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:21,048 when the crime scene investigators take samples, 326 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:27,471 they never find any fingerprints or DNA from anyone. 327 00:22:28,805 --> 00:22:34,394 There's still no absolute physical proof implicating Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès. 328 00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:39,066 Xavier was 50 years old, 329 00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:43,236 had never had any problems with the law, 330 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,740 and now he's a criminal mastermind. 331 00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:56,208 [de Stabenrath] This is Xavier, head of the perfect family. 332 00:22:58,126 --> 00:23:00,003 You see, Xavier... 333 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:03,799 was the heir to the family name. 334 00:23:03,882 --> 00:23:07,219 It's even more important in light of what's happened, 335 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:13,683 because Xavier, by killing his three sons, kills his lineage. 336 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:18,355 And for the aristocratic world, for the French nobility, this is dreadful, 337 00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:20,607 because you're terminating a lineage. 338 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:32,411 This family gives the impression of being wholesome, 339 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:36,665 an old family, with children in private schools... 340 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:38,375 nice house, et cetera. 341 00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:41,461 Anyway, they dig a little, and Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, 342 00:23:42,003 --> 00:23:46,216 well, he doesn't lead the life that he's pretending to. 343 00:23:49,803 --> 00:23:53,765 In the early 2000s, they try to relocate to the USA, to Florida. 344 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,184 But they don't succeed. 345 00:23:57,185 --> 00:23:58,854 They thought it would be simple, 346 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:00,272 when actually it wasn't. 347 00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:04,234 So they try that before settling back in France. 348 00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,488 Due to this failed American Dream, 349 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:10,824 they've more or less spent all their money. 350 00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:15,704 [de Stabenrath] The last ten years, 2001 to 2011, 351 00:24:15,787 --> 00:24:17,956 he's in a downward spiral of failure. 352 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,749 They lose a lot of money. 353 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,544 He's got bailiffs on his back. 354 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,796 Well, nothing but problems. 355 00:24:27,048 --> 00:24:29,926 [Bloch] But he claims to be a business owner, 356 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:32,762 that he's creating successful companies, 357 00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:37,142 that he's traveling all across France, being a busy businessman, etc. 358 00:24:37,225 --> 00:24:41,271 The truth is his companies have never been really successful. 359 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:47,110 [Martin] He knew that in a short while... 360 00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:49,863 there would be no money left. 361 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:54,326 So, eventually, he'll have to leave his house, et cetera. 362 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,662 This is going to be serious, with severe consequences. 363 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:00,999 He was about to be uncovered... 364 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,920 as someone unsuccessful. 365 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,383 [de Stabenrath] He's vain, proud. 366 00:25:10,884 --> 00:25:12,385 He doesn't want to lose face. 367 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:16,014 He doesn't want his children to find out he's got no money, that he's ruined. 368 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,767 [Martin] It's like he was on a mission... 369 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,313 to save his children from disgrace, 370 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:27,526 from finding out their father didn't have the life people thought he had. 371 00:25:29,152 --> 00:25:32,405 He's looking for something that could help materially... 372 00:25:33,406 --> 00:25:34,741 to avoid these consequences. 373 00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:46,086 Then, came the death of Xavier Dupont de Logonnès' father, Hubert. 374 00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:53,843 I was a neighbor of the count, Xavier's father. 375 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,471 We lived in the same building. 376 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:59,724 That's how we came to know each other, little by little. 377 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:08,024 January 20, 2011, I found out that Hubert had died from a heart attack. 378 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:12,821 So, the apartment had to be cleared out, 379 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,573 and Xavier tackled it, 380 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,534 namely by sorting through his father's personal belongings. 381 00:26:17,617 --> 00:26:19,869 What he was interested in, apparently, 382 00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:24,207 was to recover a ring which had belonged to his father. 383 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,252 It was a count's ring. 384 00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:29,921 A count's signet ring, to be precise. 385 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:36,803 He tried to find out if there was any money set aside. 386 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,723 Apparently, he didn't find anything. 387 00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:41,725 In fact, he told me there wasn't anything. 388 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,312 So those words came from Xavier's own mouth. 389 00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:52,277 [Martin] There was no money left. 390 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,988 There had, actually, been big money problems for years. 391 00:26:55,530 --> 00:27:00,785 In fact, his father, the count, had a very sad end to his life: 392 00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:04,289 illness, loneliness, poverty... 393 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,085 Near poverty, he was no longer living in splendor. 394 00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:11,171 It was a rented apartment. 395 00:27:11,254 --> 00:27:13,590 And I think that this failed life 396 00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:16,843 is something that profoundly resonates 397 00:27:16,926 --> 00:27:22,682 in Xavier's feelings, possibly in his thoughts. 398 00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:28,855 And then, there's a second event, critical to this case. 399 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,275 Xavier discovers that there's no money, 400 00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,820 but he does find a weapon. 401 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:38,907 A .22 caliber long rifle. 402 00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:49,042 So, the last time I saw Xavier was after clearing out his father's apartment. 403 00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:51,753 There's a strange image that's stayed with me. 404 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:57,300 It was the first time I saw him like that. His expression was unusual. 405 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:58,677 When you know Xavier, 406 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,471 you know him as someone who's very nice, smiley, pleasant. 407 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,392 But the last image I have of him really is... 408 00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:07,644 I found it very... 409 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,942 He had a dark look in his eyes. 410 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,027 [gunshot] 411 00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:23,034 [gunshot] 412 00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:32,293 [Bloch] Before inheriting his father's rifle, 413 00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,046 no one who knew him would say 414 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,425 that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès had any interest in weapons. 415 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:43,054 It's from the moment he inherits this rifle from his father 416 00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,556 that he learns how to shoot. 417 00:28:48,643 --> 00:28:52,313 He even went to the shooting range with two of his sons. 418 00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:58,361 He posed a few questions to his shooting instructor, 419 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:02,073 notably, on the eventual use of a silencer. 420 00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:07,203 [Martin] Then, he bought a silencer. 421 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:11,624 A silencer to fit the long rifle, 422 00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:16,087 allowing him to shoot in downtown Nantes 423 00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:18,214 without alerting the neighbors. 424 00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:34,731 [Bloch] There's the discovery, a shocking one, 425 00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:39,152 that when they dug under the terrace, 426 00:29:39,235 --> 00:29:41,488 there's the body of Agnès, the mother, 427 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:44,908 and the bodies of three of the children in the same grave. 428 00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:48,077 And you've got a grave next to it, with Thomas' body inside. 429 00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:51,581 Now, it seems that Thomas wasn't killed 430 00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:54,626 at the same time as his brothers and sister and his mother. 431 00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,963 The four children are there both on Saturday and Sunday. 432 00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:03,134 And, in fact, Thomas has to leave 433 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,262 to go back to his Catholic university, 434 00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:08,431 and Xavier lets him go. 435 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:13,353 The massacre takes place Sunday night. 436 00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:20,360 And on Tuesday, he tells him, 437 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,487 "Listen, you have to come back. 438 00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,198 Your mother has had a bicycle accident. 439 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:29,118 She's in the hospital, in a coma. We don't know if she'll come out of it. 440 00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:31,120 It's very serious. You have to come home." 441 00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,292 So, on Tuesday evening, Thomas goes back home. 442 00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:40,713 The last we hear from Thomas is at midnight 443 00:30:40,797 --> 00:30:44,467 when he sends a text message to a friend. 444 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,889 His friend gets back to him. It's a little after midnight, 445 00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:52,141 and that message will remain unanswered. 446 00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,395 The drug took effect at that time. 447 00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:59,107 Thomas was never seen again. 448 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:05,238 He very likely got killed Tuesday night, 449 00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:07,699 and buried in a separate grave. 450 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:11,786 [Martin] So, why this time difference? 451 00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,831 I do believe he hesitated to kill him. 452 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:20,003 Arthur wasn't his biological son. 453 00:31:20,086 --> 00:31:22,505 Thomas was. He was the eldest. 454 00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:26,926 So he was the heir, the one who would bear the name, 455 00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:29,929 be nobility... 456 00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:35,018 The last one to carry it, as there are no other sons in the family. 457 00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:37,896 So, he must have hesitated. 458 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:52,660 As the bodies of the whole family and the two dogs were discovered, 459 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:56,289 the police searched for Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, the prime suspect. 460 00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:58,750 The date is April 21st, 461 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:02,128 and they haven't been seen since April 4th. 462 00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:08,092 So, nearly three weeks went by without a search. 463 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:15,099 So the police searched hotels and restaurants around France. 464 00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:17,810 Very quickly, on April 22nd, 465 00:32:17,894 --> 00:32:21,606 they find Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès' car 466 00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:23,983 in the parking lot of a small Formule 1 hotel, 467 00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,069 in Roquebrune-sur-Argens in the south. 468 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,446 Once they find his car, 469 00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:34,118 the police reconstruct the week prior to the disappearances. 470 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,707 The massacre of the family took place the nights of April 3rd and 4th. 471 00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:48,675 The police discover that Xavier spent the whole week inside the house. 472 00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:52,929 He was seen alone by acquaintances from Nantes. 473 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:56,891 And then, they discover that... 474 00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:59,227 one week after the murders, 475 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:02,271 Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès took his car and left Nantes. 476 00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,484 We know that because... 477 00:33:07,902 --> 00:33:10,863 his car was recorded by a speed camera... 478 00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:13,074 between Nantes and La Rochelle. 479 00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:22,834 Around noon, Xavier would be located in a restaurant. 480 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:26,337 The credit card's time stamp certifies this. 481 00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:28,631 Then, in the evening, at a hotel in La Rochelle. 482 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:32,051 The next day, he heads south. 483 00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:34,846 He heads towards the southwest. 484 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,809 The police say that he's gone on the run. 485 00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:42,854 He's fleeing, a fugitive. 486 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,482 But he doesn't go very fast. He's not... 487 00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:50,319 hitting the road to put hundreds of kilometers 488 00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:54,240 between his house and his destination. 489 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,330 Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès isn't hiding. 490 00:34:03,207 --> 00:34:05,293 He's withdrawing money with his bank card. 491 00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:09,005 We know that because we see him. 492 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,388 [de Stabenrath] He goes to restaurants, leaving bills, credit card receipts. 493 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:19,182 So, he doesn't care. 494 00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:21,517 [Martin] It's rather strange, 495 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:26,272 considering the amount of caution and work around the crime scene 496 00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:30,401 to fool the investigators. 497 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,823 Now, we've got an accumulation of evidence. 498 00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,117 He doesn't want to hide. 499 00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:40,703 Why? 500 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:47,919 [Bloch] Of course, 501 00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:51,506 in the majority of cases of family massacres, 502 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:54,509 when you're dealing with the slaughter of a family, it's always difficult. 503 00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:56,552 More often than not, the murderer commits suicide 504 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,596 after having killed his entire family. 505 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,350 The thought was, "This is someone about to kill himself." 506 00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:08,773 [Martin] The police interpreted it as a pilgrimage. 507 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:10,942 So no need to hide. 508 00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:14,779 It's a farewell 509 00:35:14,862 --> 00:35:18,616 to his past life, to places where he had been happy. 510 00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:22,245 All along the southeast PACA area, 511 00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:27,083 where he had lived with Agnès during the first years of their marriage. 512 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,169 Some of his kids were born there. 513 00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:34,006 The years he spent in the south were happy years... 514 00:35:34,757 --> 00:35:39,637 which made people think that he would end the story 515 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,347 where it had been so good. 516 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,439 The last known stop is Roquebrune-sur-Argens. 517 00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,486 And there, 518 00:35:55,570 --> 00:36:00,408 he spends the night in a Formule 1 hotel. 519 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:07,790 They recover... 520 00:36:08,749 --> 00:36:10,710 the CCTV images. 521 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,629 They discover an image 522 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:15,840 where he's crossing the hotel parking lot... 523 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:20,803 carrying a bag. 524 00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:27,226 At the bottom of this sort of carry-all clothes bag, 525 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:28,936 there's a long object. 526 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:35,526 So, the investigators think he's got the rifle that killed his family there, 527 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:37,445 in the bag, and he's disappearing with it. 528 00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:41,115 He looks into the camera and somehow is saying, "Goodbye". 529 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:56,005 What's in Roquebrune-sur-Argens? Cliffs, a mountain. 530 00:36:56,088 --> 00:37:00,343 Lots of things that make you think, "Right, he killed his family, 531 00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,887 so he hid in the rocks and killed himself." 532 00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:08,684 [Martin] This image of a man walking away with a rifle in a bag 533 00:37:09,268 --> 00:37:11,354 will convince the investigators 534 00:37:11,437 --> 00:37:14,565 that he left for the back country to commit suicide. 535 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:20,404 [siren wailing] 536 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,740 There's zone one and zone two, so... 537 00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:27,995 [Martin] For weeks, 538 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,123 there are search parties looking for him. 539 00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,378 We're looking for traces of a crossing or a body. 540 00:37:35,461 --> 00:37:36,754 [man] Clues, in fact. 541 00:37:36,837 --> 00:37:40,466 Clues or a body, a corpse. 542 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:45,054 So they're looking in holes, in rocks, in caves. 543 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:49,183 [de Stabenrath] For two months, first-aid workers, gendarmes, firemen, 544 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,727 searched every nook and cranny with mountain guides. 545 00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:01,654 [Martin] No body was ever found. 546 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:08,953 They were certain he had committed suicide. 547 00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:11,789 And I believe he fooled them all. 548 00:38:15,751 --> 00:38:19,046 In these family crimes, called familicide, 549 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:21,549 in 98% of cases, 550 00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:26,012 the father, who's the murderer, commits suicide on the spot. 551 00:38:27,346 --> 00:38:30,933 Predictably enough, the investigators thought that was the case. 552 00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,437 They didn't think he could be the one or two percent 553 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,230 of those who go on the run. 554 00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:45,656 There's so much care, work, organization 555 00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:50,619 to deceive the investigators, 556 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:52,371 to buy time. 557 00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:56,208 And it worked. 558 00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,212 [de Stabenrath] Like a chess player, he had planned two things. 559 00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:04,008 First, that it'd take as long as possible before the bodies were found. 560 00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:10,222 And then he thought, "I need more time. 561 00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:14,268 So, Roquebrune-sur-Argens, a place I know well, 562 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,315 when they find out I've been there, they'll search all the surroundings." 563 00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:24,362 And that's what happened. Xavier escaped. 564 00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:38,125 We see a happy family. 565 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:40,628 A family-- That's what is-- 566 00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:46,092 That's what-- How can I put it? That's what appalls me and makes me angry. 567 00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:48,302 How can you decide that one day... 568 00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:51,889 you'll strip your children of their future? 569 00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:54,058 How can you... 570 00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:55,935 take people's lives? 571 00:39:57,686 --> 00:39:59,313 How can you take people's lives? 572 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,649 That's totally inconceivable. 573 00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:03,984 Unspeakable. 574 00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:15,871 [Bloch] Nobody knows what happened to him. 575 00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:19,625 No plane ticket was bought under his name, 576 00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,710 no cars have disappeared, 577 00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:24,088 no cars have been rented, 578 00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,257 no train ticket has been purchased under his name. 579 00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:31,804 There isn't the slightest clue as to where Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès could be. 580 00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:36,725 You know, in this area, you can take a boat. 581 00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:38,602 The sea is 30 kilometers away. 582 00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:43,524 You can take a cargo ship in Fos, near Marseille. 583 00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:46,402 You can take the highway to go to Italy. 584 00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:50,114 You can even take the mountain paths to go to Italy. 585 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:56,537 You can board a train and go to Croatia and start from there. 586 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,832 It's totally mind-blowing. 587 00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:05,713 It makes him a master at disappearing. 588 00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:09,758 Not of the perfect crime, as the bodies will be found. 589 00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:13,471 Even though I'm sure he believed that they wouldn't be found in the garden. 590 00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:15,848 But the perfect disappearance, 591 00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,268 since to this day, years and years later, he still hasn't been caught. 592 00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:25,107 Now, we can agree that there are a vast number of clues, 593 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:28,277 but we don't know what really happened. 594 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,574 This case remains... unsolved, mysterious. 595 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,328 We'd all really like to find out what happened 596 00:41:37,995 --> 00:41:40,164 and where... 597 00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:45,503 the main suspect involved in this case is, that is, the father. 598 00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:47,254 A lot of questions. 599 00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,927 Seeing that house all closed up, I was asking myself, "Where are they?" 600 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,597 Now the question is, "Where can he be?" 601 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,811 [Martin] I believe he's alive. 602 00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:07,942 I think Latin America because... 603 00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:11,237 he's bilingual in English. His English is very good. 604 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,574 His Spanish is pretty good, so he would be at ease. 605 00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:18,786 I think that he went to... 606 00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:23,165 either Hamburg or Tangiers to take a cargo ship. 607 00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:27,503 And he went to Latin America, Argentina, or... you know. 608 00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:31,882 He's got dark hair with dark eyes. He can grow a beard, shave his head. 609 00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,011 [Bloch] The problem in this case 610 00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:39,807 is that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès looks a bit like everybody else, 611 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:42,101 with no strong features. 612 00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:44,853 He's of average height. 613 00:42:44,937 --> 00:42:47,648 Physically, he doesn't stand out. 614 00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,650 He's physically normal. 615 00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,486 And there's nothing worse in this kind of situation 616 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,446 than physically normal people, 617 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:57,741 because they both stay unnoticed and they draw too much attention. 618 00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:00,202 You spot him everywhere and nowhere at the same time. 619 00:43:08,877 --> 00:43:12,172 [de Stabenrath] My only question, as he's still my friend, 620 00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:17,803 is how can he look himself in the mirror every night, every morning, 621 00:43:18,512 --> 00:43:19,597 brushing his teeth, 622 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,057 shaving, 623 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:24,226 and think about his children who he loved. 624 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:27,646 Because he loved them. A lot. He was a real father. 625 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,732 That, for me, is a mystery. 626 00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:33,193 It's a big mystery. 627 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,446 Yeah.