1 00:00:06,965 --> 00:00:08,967 [telephone rings] 2 00:00:12,429 --> 00:00:14,389 [operator] 911, where's your emergency? 3 00:00:15,682 --> 00:00:17,308 [man] I just found a human head. 4 00:00:18,768 --> 00:00:20,687 -[operator] Where? -[man] On the side of the road. 5 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:22,355 In the woods, like… 6 00:00:22,439 --> 00:00:24,607 -[operator] Like, in the brush? -[man] Yeah. 7 00:00:26,151 --> 00:00:28,820 Why is a severed head 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,114 sitting in a field 9 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:34,701 in a nice neighborhood in a nice town? 10 00:00:35,243 --> 00:00:38,371 Where did she come from? Did she die a natural death? 11 00:00:38,455 --> 00:00:41,291 -[detective] Where would he get a head? -[man 1] From killing somebody. 12 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:44,002 [man 2] Someone wanted that head to be found. 13 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:46,629 I had nothin' to do with that head. That's the truth. 14 00:00:46,713 --> 00:00:48,631 [man 3] This was somebody's loved one. 15 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:51,634 The family may not even know she's out here. 16 00:00:52,677 --> 00:00:55,513 Who in the world does something like this? 17 00:00:56,306 --> 00:00:58,308 [unsettling music plays] 18 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:30,381 [music fades] 19 00:01:32,217 --> 00:01:34,219 [somber music plays] 20 00:01:37,263 --> 00:01:39,182 [man 2] Economy Borough, where this happened, 21 00:01:39,265 --> 00:01:41,601 is in Western Pennsylvania. 22 00:01:42,143 --> 00:01:45,522 They have nice people, expensive houses, 23 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:47,774 and they also have beautiful farms out there. 24 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:50,652 Here in Beaver County, 25 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:53,571 our typical crimes are 26 00:01:53,655 --> 00:01:57,909 one guy shoots another one, we already know who did it, and you move on. 27 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:00,620 This case was not anything like that. 28 00:02:04,582 --> 00:02:06,584 [suspenseful music plays] 29 00:02:10,004 --> 00:02:11,506 [man 3] It was a Friday afternoon. 30 00:02:12,006 --> 00:02:13,758 This 15-year-old boy 31 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:16,553 was walking through the woods after school. 32 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:19,097 He was a young man getting interested in hunting. 33 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:23,434 So he was headed up to a deer processing place, 34 00:02:23,518 --> 00:02:25,979 where they process the deer meat for hunters. 35 00:02:26,062 --> 00:02:29,440 And that was when he came upon an object in the woods. 36 00:02:31,025 --> 00:02:33,862 At first, he had thought that it was a gut pile, 37 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:37,240 something that the deer hunters do, leave 'em behind with a deer. 38 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:42,245 And then he realized that this was a severed human head. 39 00:02:42,328 --> 00:02:44,372 [tense music plays] 40 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:50,461 [young man] I'm just walking up the road, and I found a human head. 41 00:02:51,212 --> 00:02:53,214 [operator] How do you know it's a human head? 42 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:55,008 [young man] I went down, and it's a head. 43 00:02:55,508 --> 00:02:56,718 [operator] You left it there? 44 00:02:56,801 --> 00:02:59,596 [young man] Yeah, I did not touch it. I did not do anything. 45 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,640 [operator] Go stand where it's at. They're on their way over. 46 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:03,600 [young man] Okay. 47 00:03:03,683 --> 00:03:07,061 One of our officers, Officer Janectic, was dispatched to go over there. 48 00:03:07,145 --> 00:03:08,813 [tense music continues] 49 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:17,071 When I arrived on scene, I noticed a teenager standing here, 50 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:18,573 pointing down into the woods. 51 00:03:19,407 --> 00:03:22,493 I did ask him if he went down and touched it. He stated, "No." 52 00:03:23,494 --> 00:03:26,247 We all kind of had the thought that it was gonna be, uh, 53 00:03:26,331 --> 00:03:28,416 you know, a prank or something like that. 54 00:03:29,834 --> 00:03:31,419 [Janectic] It definitely was a real head. 55 00:03:31,502 --> 00:03:32,837 And at that point, 56 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:36,549 um, I contacted my chief and said, "We got a real problem." 57 00:03:37,508 --> 00:03:39,552 [O'Brien] I'm thinking, "This can't be good." 58 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:41,888 "If they're calling me, we've got something going on here." 59 00:03:41,971 --> 00:03:46,100 "Do we have some sick individual that's out killing people, 60 00:03:46,184 --> 00:03:47,769 cutting up bodies someplace, 61 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:50,063 and now we're spreading body parts around?" 62 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:51,648 [tense music continues] 63 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:02,575 [O'Brien] Very quickly after that, I contacted Andy Gall. 64 00:04:03,701 --> 00:04:05,870 I told him, "Hey, you're not gonna believe this, 65 00:04:05,954 --> 00:04:09,415 but, uh, we have a severed head in the woods." 66 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:13,461 [Andrew] I've always been the go-to guy. 67 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:17,840 Something weird happens, it's, "Call Andy." 68 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:22,595 My initial reaction is, "This hasn't been here long." 69 00:04:24,138 --> 00:04:25,932 It's early December. 70 00:04:26,015 --> 00:04:28,685 The leaves are still falling in some parts. 71 00:04:28,768 --> 00:04:31,980 And this is on top of the leaves, 72 00:04:32,063 --> 00:04:34,148 and there's no leaves on top of it. 73 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:39,195 [O'Brien] It was probably about 31 feet off the edge of the roadway. 74 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:44,200 It appeared to be in somewhat decent condition. It wasn't decomposed. 75 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:49,580 One of the remarkable things we noticed right away 76 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:52,500 was the nose had a little bit of a tip to it, 77 00:04:52,583 --> 00:04:54,877 um, almost as if it had been 78 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:58,589 maybe in some sort of a container or a box at one time. 79 00:05:01,551 --> 00:05:05,263 Looking at it, my initial impression was it was a female. 80 00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:10,268 [O'Brien] Their hair was gray. Curly, fluffy. 81 00:05:11,436 --> 00:05:13,146 Reminded us of an older woman. 82 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:19,402 Anywhere between 60 and 80 was what the guess was at that time. 83 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:22,697 Usually, I'm looking for the bullet wound. 84 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:25,992 I'm looking for the blood pattern. 85 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:27,702 But none of that's there. 86 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:32,999 [O'Brien] We didn't even really know if a crime had been committed. 87 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:36,127 But it's a murder until proven otherwise. 88 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:41,257 [Andrew] At that point, they had some uniformed guys 89 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:43,009 spreading out through that field 90 00:05:43,092 --> 00:05:45,511 looking for other parts, looking for other evidence, 91 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:46,888 looking for anything. 92 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:54,228 This is one of the scarcest crime scenes that I've ever been on, 93 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:55,813 and one of the strangest. 94 00:05:57,315 --> 00:06:01,444 [O'Brien] This isn't something that any of us have ever handled or dealt with, 95 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:03,071 but this was a human being. 96 00:06:03,154 --> 00:06:04,489 This is a person. 97 00:06:04,572 --> 00:06:06,491 We need to know who she is. 98 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:11,871 We decided then that we needed to just get her out of there 99 00:06:11,954 --> 00:06:14,832 and get her to the morgue where we can take a better look. 100 00:06:16,751 --> 00:06:19,504 So we packed the head into a cooler with ice… 101 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:24,967 and transported her to the county morgue. 102 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:27,053 [unsettling music plays] 103 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:39,065 Chief Michael O'Brien, the coroner, and other law enforcement 104 00:06:39,148 --> 00:06:41,734 come into the morgue with this cooler. 105 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:43,820 [unsettling music continues] 106 00:06:49,325 --> 00:06:52,453 [Timothy] They open it up, and they put it on the table. 107 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:57,708 And Dr. James Smith and I just stood there, and our jaws drop. 108 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:01,671 Is it real, or is this fake? 109 00:07:03,339 --> 00:07:06,884 The hair was… Almost looked like it was combed. 110 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:09,887 There was some makeup, eyes closed. 111 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:15,601 Normally, when you have a head on the side of the road, 112 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:21,357 there's animal, insect, the weather, decomposition. 113 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:22,817 None of that existed. 114 00:07:23,651 --> 00:07:27,238 We thought this was a head 115 00:07:27,321 --> 00:07:31,242 that Hollywood used to reenact something. 116 00:07:33,911 --> 00:07:37,206 The first thing we established was this is real. 117 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:46,007 The tissue is well-preserved and has a rubbery feeling to it. 118 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:50,470 Lips are firm. It holds its shape. 119 00:07:52,346 --> 00:07:54,307 The condition was excellent. 120 00:07:57,268 --> 00:08:01,105 That person was professionally and well embalmed. 121 00:08:01,772 --> 00:08:07,028 Whoever embalmed the body took very good care of doing it properly. 122 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:13,659 This would be to make the deceased as presentable as you can to the family. 123 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:16,746 They knew what they were doing. 124 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:20,541 The head was severed after it was embalmed. 125 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:26,839 It wasn't somebody that just took a machete or a hatchet or something 126 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:29,008 and just cut the head off. 127 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:35,848 It went between the spine and the joints. 128 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,644 And they cut through the skin at the front. 129 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:46,651 So it was probably done with a scalpel and other very sharp instruments. 130 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:54,158 The biggest mystery of this head was, when I open the eyelids, 131 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:56,536 there's plastic caps over the eyes, 132 00:08:57,119 --> 00:08:59,121 which is normal embalming. 133 00:09:00,331 --> 00:09:02,542 But, to our amazement, 134 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:05,294 there's no eyes. 135 00:09:07,672 --> 00:09:12,093 In its place, they had small, red balls, 136 00:09:12,176 --> 00:09:15,096 which is unusual. 137 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:17,181 [unsettling music plays] 138 00:09:18,015 --> 00:09:20,601 [Timothy] We never seen this before. 139 00:09:21,686 --> 00:09:27,149 Nobody ever replaced the eyeballs with red, round balls. 140 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:33,030 So we have the, uh… some of the evidence in this box. 141 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:38,369 One, um, was these red rubber balls. 142 00:09:38,452 --> 00:09:40,121 This was rather shocking, 143 00:09:40,204 --> 00:09:44,500 and this became, like, the… the big piece of evidence for us. 144 00:09:45,876 --> 00:09:50,172 We thought that was going to be the key that solved this case. 145 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:51,882 [tense music plays] 146 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:55,970 We contacted several funeral homes, several mortuaries. 147 00:09:56,637 --> 00:10:02,101 We thought maybe someplace, somewhere, they use red rubber balls. 148 00:10:02,184 --> 00:10:04,186 [tense music continues] 149 00:10:06,939 --> 00:10:07,857 [music fades] 150 00:10:12,653 --> 00:10:14,155 My name is David Alvarez. 151 00:10:14,238 --> 00:10:17,033 I am currently the owner of Alvarez-Hahn Funeral Home 152 00:10:17,116 --> 00:10:18,451 in Ambridge, Pennsylvania. 153 00:10:19,243 --> 00:10:22,997 I happened to be at a court hearing in Beaver County, 154 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,251 and at that time, the pathologist and Andy Gall was there, 155 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:30,171 and they were talking about the situation with the head. 156 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:32,298 I got included in the conversation 157 00:10:32,381 --> 00:10:34,383 because they knew I was a funeral director. 158 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:36,302 And, of course, I was intrigued. 159 00:10:37,762 --> 00:10:39,972 So this is a plastic eye cap. 160 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:42,808 These are used to simulate the contour of an eyeball. 161 00:10:43,351 --> 00:10:47,772 Most of the time, unless the orbit or the eyeball itself was removed, 162 00:10:47,855 --> 00:10:50,816 whether it be for, like, uh, organ donation or whatnot, 163 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,569 these are placed on top of the eye itself. 164 00:10:54,070 --> 00:10:58,783 They give uniformity and shape to the eye when the body is prepared and embalmed. 165 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:01,410 These are very, very common. 166 00:11:01,494 --> 00:11:05,748 With the red balls that were placed in the orbits of Jane Doe, 167 00:11:05,831 --> 00:11:09,251 I had never really seen the type of ball that was there. 168 00:11:10,169 --> 00:11:14,382 Somebody put that in there to fill a void, 169 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:16,467 and then over top of that, placed the eye cap 170 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:18,177 to give the eye its regular shape. 171 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:20,262 [tense music plays] 172 00:11:32,441 --> 00:11:34,610 [Andrew] I spent a period of time afterwards 173 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,822 asking funeral directors and people who do embalming. 174 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:41,200 Nobody uses red rubber balls. 175 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:48,499 After looking into it, I walked to one of my regular places 176 00:11:48,582 --> 00:11:50,251 to have a piece of pizza. 177 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:54,046 I go in, get my pizza, sit down, 178 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:56,006 and right next to me, 179 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:59,427 which I've never noticed before, even though I've eaten there many times, 180 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:00,886 is a bubble gum machine, 181 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:03,139 where you can put a quarter in 182 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:06,600 and get… red rubber balls. 183 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:10,062 [O'Brien] The balls were found to have come from China, 184 00:12:10,146 --> 00:12:15,609 which are a part of their biggest and largest-selling toy. 185 00:12:16,819 --> 00:12:20,865 We actually made contact with the police in China, 186 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:25,536 and it turns out that these red rubber balls are so common, 187 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,747 and there's no way to track 'em. 188 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:32,835 This is not what's supposed to be behind an eye cap. 189 00:12:34,086 --> 00:12:37,631 This, to me, is one of the biggest mysteries in this case. 190 00:12:38,215 --> 00:12:43,846 Something weird about toys being placed behind that woman's head, 191 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:45,055 behind her eyes. 192 00:12:46,891 --> 00:12:50,478 Brand new here, the strange discovery of an embalmed head 193 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:53,981 in the woods of Western Pennsylvania has police mystified. 194 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:56,066 [tense music plays] 195 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,782 [O'Brien] The discovery was on Friday evening. 196 00:13:02,865 --> 00:13:04,575 Hunting season was coming to an end. 197 00:13:04,658 --> 00:13:07,286 Saturday was the last day of antlered deer season. 198 00:13:07,369 --> 00:13:10,456 So we didn't want to get into the woods and do a search on that day. 199 00:13:10,539 --> 00:13:13,125 So, two days after the head was found, 200 00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:17,379 we conducted a more extensive systematic search of the area. 201 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,009 I felt there was a good chance that we may find other body parts someplace. 202 00:13:22,092 --> 00:13:23,969 They may be spread through that area. 203 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:29,600 There was probably about 50 people between everybody in the search party. 204 00:13:31,018 --> 00:13:32,853 And of course, cadaver dogs. 205 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:36,440 [Andrew] But they found nothing. 206 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:43,447 We did a canvass and started questioning everyone in that local area. 207 00:13:44,907 --> 00:13:48,118 [O'Brien] And that's when Jay Grabner showed up. 208 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:52,331 Jay lived across the street from where the head was found. 209 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:58,003 The day of the search, Jay came down out of his house, 210 00:13:58,546 --> 00:14:01,924 came up to, uh, some of us while we were at the search. 211 00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:03,551 We were able to talk to him 212 00:14:03,634 --> 00:14:05,970 and get him to come in and do an interview with us. 213 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:09,306 [Jay] The crows were screaming in the woods right across from the house, 214 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,433 right where the creek is, where the spring starts. 215 00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:14,854 I said, "If you look down there somewhere, there's some kind of disturbance there." 216 00:14:15,771 --> 00:14:18,190 [O'Brien] He was interested in the discovery of the head. 217 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:22,444 He was interested in the person who had found it. 218 00:14:23,112 --> 00:14:26,782 [Jay] To me, this situation is just too convenient and too pretty 219 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,617 for a kid to come up on this. 220 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:33,080 [O'Brien] He was looking to pin this 221 00:14:33,163 --> 00:14:37,001 on this 15-year-old boy who discovered the head. 222 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:40,421 [Jay] I'm not saying he did it, but I'm just saying, 223 00:14:40,504 --> 00:14:42,590 it was too conveniently placed. 224 00:14:42,673 --> 00:14:44,633 That it wanted to be found. 225 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,011 [O'Brien] Jay wanted to be center of attention. 226 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:50,264 He was that person that had to be listened to or has to be heard. 227 00:14:51,307 --> 00:14:54,393 He came off with some really odd statements. 228 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:58,939 [detective] So to make sense of this, he would kill somebody, dismember them, 229 00:14:59,023 --> 00:15:01,859 then put their head there, and then call us? 230 00:15:01,942 --> 00:15:04,486 [Jay] I would say… I would say that's a scenario. 231 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:05,446 [detective] For what? 232 00:15:05,529 --> 00:15:08,198 [O'Brien] I don't recall Jay providing anything useful 233 00:15:08,282 --> 00:15:10,326 other than his own statements. 234 00:15:11,076 --> 00:15:12,828 We never really were able to get 235 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,748 really, really good, useful information out of Jay. 236 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:20,836 And of course, we did talk to the 15-year-old boy. 237 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:25,215 -[detective] Tell me what you find. -[young man] I found a… human head. 238 00:15:25,299 --> 00:15:26,342 [detective] Okay. 239 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:30,429 I watched the detectives who interviewed the 15-year-old who found the head, 240 00:15:30,512 --> 00:15:34,600 and he wasn't evasive in any which way. 241 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,602 Um, he was open. 242 00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:40,064 -[detective] Did you tell anybody else? -[young man] I told my grandma. 243 00:15:40,147 --> 00:15:42,733 -[detective] Did you text anybody? -[young man] No. 244 00:15:42,816 --> 00:15:45,611 [Andrew] He was very forthcoming when we talked to him. 245 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:50,282 Once we got his story, it just rang true. 246 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:55,371 [O'Brien] We did talk to a lot of neighbors about him. 247 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:58,207 We very quickly were able to determine 248 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,627 that he didn't really have much to do with this 249 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:03,587 other than the fact that he found it. 250 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:10,427 My question is, who does something like this? 251 00:16:11,845 --> 00:16:13,472 Where's the rest of her body? 252 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:20,270 I don't think anybody deserves to have a body part cut away from them 253 00:16:20,854 --> 00:16:22,731 and thrown into the woods 254 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:25,651 and left there to lay the way this person was. 255 00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:30,990 One of the first things we tried to do was get DNA so we could identify 256 00:16:31,073 --> 00:16:36,203 and try to match up the head with someone, some family member. 257 00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:40,833 We have teeth samples, hair, brain, skin. 258 00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:43,419 [Andrew] If we got the DNA sample 259 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:47,089 and we enter it into ancestry to find some relative, 260 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,425 find out where she came from, 261 00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:53,679 that would help us determine how this whole thing took place. 262 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:59,977 We send a sample of the occipital bone to North Texas University for DNA. 263 00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:02,896 Nothing. 264 00:17:04,106 --> 00:17:10,279 We sent brain samples, tissue samples, hair, to the FBI 265 00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:13,615 to help us determine that identity. 266 00:17:15,617 --> 00:17:16,994 Nothing. 267 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:21,415 [O'Brien] We have actually, over the course of time here, 268 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:24,126 made probably five, six attempts at DNA. 269 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:27,671 [Andrew] And each time, 270 00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:30,215 uh, we got nothing. 271 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,887 They cannot give us a DNA profile, 272 00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:37,765 and we have no DNA to go with. 273 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:44,188 What we eventually found out was the embalming fluid 274 00:17:44,271 --> 00:17:48,025 actually deteriorates the DNA from that sample. 275 00:17:48,108 --> 00:17:52,571 And we have yet to be able to get any type of, um, DNA markers 276 00:17:52,654 --> 00:17:56,617 to even begin to do any type of comparison or match. 277 00:17:57,451 --> 00:17:59,453 [tense music plays] 278 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:05,542 [O'Brien] At that point in the investigation, 279 00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:07,544 Andy and I started to discuss the idea 280 00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:12,674 that we wanted to get some sort of a likeness out to the public 281 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:15,177 in hopes that somebody could identify her. 282 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:17,513 Um, we didn't want to release an actual photo. 283 00:18:18,639 --> 00:18:22,142 So we started to look at the idea of a forensic artist. 284 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:24,228 [tense music continues] 285 00:18:29,066 --> 00:18:32,945 [woman] I generally get a call when somebody is at the end of their rope. 286 00:18:33,028 --> 00:18:36,573 It's a little bit of a Hail Mary pass to come and get a forensic artist. 287 00:18:36,657 --> 00:18:38,659 [tense music continues] 288 00:18:41,745 --> 00:18:44,206 [Michelle] There were certain things about Jane Doe's head 289 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:46,041 that were very recognizable. 290 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,585 She had a perm. She had a certain hair color. 291 00:18:49,169 --> 00:18:51,797 She had two distinct moles, very small, 292 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,925 but they were very distinct moles on her left cheek. 293 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:59,513 I felt that she was possibly a smoker 294 00:18:59,596 --> 00:19:04,643 because of the lines around her mouth and a bit of the coloration of her teeth. 295 00:19:04,726 --> 00:19:07,980 But mostly that… [sucks air] …that thing that people do with their mouths 296 00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:09,982 when they're drawing from a cigarette. 297 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:12,276 [tense music continues] 298 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:24,621 My thoughts were, once we make this drawing public, 299 00:19:25,205 --> 00:19:27,833 we would be getting several calls. 300 00:19:27,916 --> 00:19:30,794 [reporter] They released a sketch of what the woman might have looked like. 301 00:19:30,878 --> 00:19:34,047 They do not know how long ago she may have died or why. 302 00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:37,259 [O'Brien] Turned out we weren't really getting anywhere with that. 303 00:19:37,926 --> 00:19:40,596 This woman's identity has been taken away from her, 304 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:45,267 and we are just unable, at this time, to figure out who that person is. 305 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:48,729 [somber music plays] 306 00:19:51,273 --> 00:19:54,735 [Michelle] They came back to me and asked for a sculpture. 307 00:19:58,197 --> 00:19:59,781 It takes more time to make one, 308 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:02,117 but it can be very useful 309 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:06,288 because some of us are more recognizable from other views. 310 00:20:06,371 --> 00:20:09,208 So if you have a dominant, um, feature in a profile, 311 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:11,210 that wouldn't show up in a front view. 312 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:17,507 I try to maintain some kind of a sense of that individual as a human. 313 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:25,140 I feel as though I'm doing my part to bury the dead. 314 00:20:27,017 --> 00:20:29,436 We want to identify her. 315 00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:32,356 If a person died on the side of the road, 316 00:20:32,439 --> 00:20:35,901 they're not just left there for the birds to pick at, right? 317 00:20:35,984 --> 00:20:37,986 But that's what happened to our Jane Doe. 318 00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,489 She was just on the side of the road. 319 00:20:41,573 --> 00:20:43,659 It's something that has to be rectified. 320 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:47,329 That's literally what I'm trying to do, what Chief O'Brien is trying to do, 321 00:20:47,412 --> 00:20:48,664 what Andy's trying to do. 322 00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:57,130 It has now been one month since a human head was found along a road, 323 00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:59,091 and there are still very few answers. 324 00:20:59,174 --> 00:21:02,052 They released a 3D model. I want you to take a look at this. 325 00:21:02,135 --> 00:21:05,222 Police emphasize that this is a clay reconstruction 326 00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:07,557 that is considered a family likeness. 327 00:21:07,641 --> 00:21:09,268 It is not exact. 328 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:13,981 I was reporting on the case when they hired the artist 329 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,607 to create her likeness. 330 00:21:15,691 --> 00:21:20,779 The sculpture did generate some chatter, and some people did call in. 331 00:21:20,862 --> 00:21:22,531 [telephone rings] 332 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:26,285 [Andrew] We followed up on every phone call, 333 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:28,161 every lead that came in. 334 00:21:29,246 --> 00:21:31,665 I'm not a betting man, but I told Chief O'Brien 335 00:21:31,748 --> 00:21:35,252 we were going to get a call that a mausoleum was broken into 336 00:21:35,335 --> 00:21:37,379 or a grave was dug up. 337 00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:42,092 [O'Brien] And we did, in fact, get a lead 338 00:21:42,175 --> 00:21:44,511 from the coroner of Fayette County, 339 00:21:44,594 --> 00:21:47,055 which is just south of us here, 340 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:50,100 about 90 minutes away from Economy Borough. 341 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:55,897 The coroner tells us about a crypt that was broken into, 342 00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:58,025 casket pulled from the wall, 343 00:21:58,108 --> 00:22:03,155 and the head missing from the body of the person inside that casket. 344 00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:04,906 [suspenseful music plays] 345 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:09,369 Okay. They got a body without a head. We got a head without a body. 346 00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:10,370 This has gotta be it. 347 00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:14,583 [unsettling music plays] 348 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:24,051 On August 4th, 1988, 349 00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:27,429 I responded to a call at the Teresa De Carlo Crypt. 350 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:30,223 Teresa De Carlo was a local lady. 351 00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:33,101 She passed away in the very early 1950s. 352 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:36,855 We discovered her crypt had been broken into. 353 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:41,234 The rear window in the back of the crypt had been smashed. 354 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:46,615 When we looked into the coffin, the glass liner was smashed, 355 00:22:46,698 --> 00:22:48,658 and Teresa De Carlo's head was missing. 356 00:22:49,451 --> 00:22:52,788 From what I could tell, the tools used to decapitate the head 357 00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:56,541 would have been a sharp instrument, possibly a… a sharp knife. 358 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,420 We made a thorough search of the cemetery 359 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:03,090 to see if they discarded her head somewhere nearby. 360 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,050 We did not find it, 361 00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:07,636 and we did not find any other, uh, desecrations. 362 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:14,601 This is the crypt of the De Carlo family. 363 00:23:15,268 --> 00:23:17,145 If it was a classic theft, 364 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:20,482 we would expect 'em to have taken gold watches and rings. 365 00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:24,152 We found out they neglected to take the jewelry. 366 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:28,907 You're gonna go to all that trouble, why would you not take the valuables? 367 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,953 In my mind, it was absolutely a satanic crime. 368 00:23:34,037 --> 00:23:36,873 At that time, we had an active satanic cult in this area. 369 00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:41,837 We had calls, complaints that there was satanic activity 370 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,755 out at the Dunbar Cave. 371 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,425 It's only about 15, 20 minutes 372 00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:50,011 from the cemetery where Teresa De Carlo's head was stolen. 373 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:55,392 This cave is the scene where a lot of satanic activity occurred 374 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:58,979 during the late 1980s and the early 1990s. 375 00:23:59,563 --> 00:24:02,566 They had sacrifices and parties there, rituals. 376 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:09,114 Now, the key thing, the most prized possession of a satanic cult 377 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:10,532 was to have a human head. 378 00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:14,661 That's what they wanted, and that's what they're looking for. 379 00:24:16,037 --> 00:24:19,207 After I retired, I saw an article in the newspaper 380 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:22,794 about Economy Borough having an unidentified head. 381 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,923 So my natural instinct was to see if maybe they had our head. 382 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:32,804 It was certainly an interesting, um, case that fit our case. 383 00:24:33,638 --> 00:24:37,601 We had compared Jane Doe's photograph 384 00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:42,689 against the photographs that were supplied to us of Teresa De Carlo. 385 00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:47,486 Comparing them to Jane Doe, there were some similarities, 386 00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:48,612 some resemblance. 387 00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:49,988 [tense music plays] 388 00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:51,865 [Andrew] They were both white females. 389 00:24:52,365 --> 00:24:56,244 Teresa De Carlo was 75 years old when she passed away. 390 00:24:56,328 --> 00:25:00,665 The estimate on our head was between 60 and 80 years old, 391 00:25:00,749 --> 00:25:01,750 which matched it. 392 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:07,380 Our forensic pathologist and our coroner wanted us to look at this very hard. 393 00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:11,301 Now we needed some clear way 394 00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:14,763 to match Teresa De Carlo with our Jane Doe. 395 00:25:15,388 --> 00:25:17,390 [somber music plays] 396 00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:31,446 My team and I were brought in to determine if the head that was discovered in 2014 397 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,200 was a match to the body that was in the mausoleum from 1952. 398 00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:38,995 The first thing we noticed was she had a lot of dentistry done 399 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:40,830 over a number of years. 400 00:25:41,581 --> 00:25:45,460 There were large tooth-colored fillings in the front of the mouth. 401 00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:49,923 What we found is that the fillings were made of something called barium glass. 402 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,634 Barium glass products are fairly common, 403 00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:54,928 but this is modern dentistry. 404 00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:58,640 These techniques were not possible back in 1952 405 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:01,893 because those materials simply did not exist back then. 406 00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:09,109 The head had had dental work done in the '80s and '90s, 407 00:26:09,192 --> 00:26:12,070 and Teresa De Carlo had died in 1952. 408 00:26:12,988 --> 00:26:15,740 We determined they could not be a match. 409 00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:19,452 And we're back to square one. 410 00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:29,796 Some police officers that I work with, the ones who want to compliment me, 411 00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:31,339 tell me I'm relentless. 412 00:26:31,881 --> 00:26:34,593 The other ones, who don't want to compliment me, 413 00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:36,303 tell me I'm a pain in the butt, 414 00:26:37,053 --> 00:26:41,016 and that's because I want every t crossed and every i dotted. 415 00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:44,519 And I want every case, even if there's no arrest, 416 00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:45,979 to have an answer. 417 00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,815 Everybody has to have a name. 418 00:26:48,898 --> 00:26:52,319 She should have one besides Jane Doe. 419 00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:54,404 [tense music plays] 420 00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:01,453 [O'Brien] Over the course of this investigation, 421 00:27:01,536 --> 00:27:06,708 one of the questions that we continuously brought up was, 422 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:13,006 at what point do you have the opportunity to sever a head from a body? 423 00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:15,425 Knowing that she was embalmed, 424 00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:18,928 that tells us that she most likely was prepared for a funeral. 425 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:24,309 [Andrew] So was a body somehow tampered with 426 00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:29,939 between leaving the funeral home and being cremated or being buried? 427 00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:34,069 There's the option of visitation or a viewing with cremation 428 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:37,405 where the body is prepared, embalmed as it would be for a regular visitation. 429 00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,949 But instead of going to a cemetery afterwards, 430 00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:41,785 the body is then taken to the crematory. 431 00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:45,330 [O'Brien] We found out that a body 432 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,959 could possibly lay in a funeral home for several days 433 00:27:50,043 --> 00:27:52,045 before it reaches the crematory. 434 00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:56,675 Could somebody pick a body up at a funeral home 435 00:27:56,758 --> 00:28:00,345 and be able to have the time to do these things 436 00:28:00,428 --> 00:28:02,013 on the way to a crematory? 437 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:03,348 Absolutely they could. 438 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:09,187 [Andrew] We found that there are funeral directors in this country 439 00:28:09,979 --> 00:28:12,857 that were selling body parts. 440 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,361 That took the investigation down a whole new path. 441 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:21,658 [David] I'd like to think in my heart, ethically, 442 00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:25,620 that 100% of funeral directors are legitimate and they do the right things. 443 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,497 But you never know what happens. 444 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:31,584 The dark side of this is that there are people that do a lot of bad things. 445 00:28:32,085 --> 00:28:34,629 I feel that it's possible that Jane Doe 446 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,841 could be part of maybe, like, a black market deal. 447 00:28:39,008 --> 00:28:41,136 This had to be something that was underground. 448 00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:45,849 [reporter 1] Tonight, claims of secretly dismembering and selling body parts 449 00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:48,059 in the hours after a death. 450 00:28:48,143 --> 00:28:50,937 [reporter 2] We have talked to more than a half dozen families, 451 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:55,650 now victims of what they describe as a scheme to profit from their pain. 452 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,446 [O'Brien] We ended up getting in touch with a reporter. 453 00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:02,741 He's doing this research on the black market body trade 454 00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:08,246 and wants to, you know, feature our Jane Doe as part of his research. 455 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,082 [somber music plays] 456 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:16,087 When I started looking at this story, the question was, 457 00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:20,008 did Jane Doe's head come from a body broker? 458 00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:22,385 Was it part of the body trade? 459 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:25,221 I was working on a story 460 00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:31,811 about people who were making a living off illegal sales of body parts, 461 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:35,690 and there were basically no checks and balances on them. 462 00:29:37,317 --> 00:29:41,946 It differs substantially from the concept that more people are familiar with, 463 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,365 which is organ transplantation. 464 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:49,078 There are many laws that deal with how that is to be done. 465 00:29:50,538 --> 00:29:52,791 But with body brokers, 466 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:59,172 there are literally chop shops where they would harvest body parts. 467 00:29:59,255 --> 00:30:00,340 They would cut it up, 468 00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:04,636 and they would sell it, often for research purposes, to others. 469 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:07,639 And one of the things that we noted was 470 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:11,851 that there were conferences at hotels 471 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,687 where the ballroom was rented out, 472 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:18,233 and they would have on hand body parts, 473 00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:21,861 human heads, other parts of the bodies, 474 00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:27,283 for the people there to see and work on for demonstrations. 475 00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:30,620 [reporter] Torsos for $1,000. 476 00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:33,790 A pelvis with upper legs for $1,200. 477 00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:35,959 Heads went for $500, 478 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:38,878 and $250 for a knee. 479 00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:44,676 [Blake] The idea that body brokers were selling a human head for 500, 480 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,719 and this one shows up in a field, 481 00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:52,934 and there was no clarity as to how she got there or who she was… 482 00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:56,646 It gave me some pause. 483 00:30:58,147 --> 00:31:00,275 In order to tell an effective story 484 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:03,069 and to understand where that head was found, 485 00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:04,737 we went out to the scene. 486 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,906 And as soon as we stopped there, 487 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:10,493 uh, a man came out of the house across the street, 488 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:12,287 and that was Jay Grabner. 489 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:16,332 [Jay] That head was not thrown down there. That head was placed there. 490 00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:18,668 It was too convenient. 491 00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:22,005 [Blake] He was, I guess, a busybody. 492 00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:26,134 He was the neighbor who would insert himself into situations. 493 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:32,348 I was struck by how eager Jay was to seem to help. 494 00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:34,809 He had his own theories. 495 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,396 One of his theories was that a teenager, 496 00:31:38,479 --> 00:31:41,733 the one who found the head in the woods, 497 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:46,237 was behind this and called 911 to alert the police about it. 498 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:52,035 And I thought to myself, a 15-year-old boy getting ahold of a human head, 499 00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:57,040 placing it in the woods, finding it himself, calling 911… 500 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:01,002 It seemed inconceivable to me. 501 00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:02,629 Where would he get it? 502 00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:05,465 [Jay] You don't remember anything till you review it, 503 00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:08,551 and then when you review it, small, fine points come up. 504 00:32:08,635 --> 00:32:09,510 [detective] Yeah. 505 00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:10,428 [Jay] Uh… 506 00:32:10,511 --> 00:32:12,680 I believe there's, like, three sections to this case. 507 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:14,599 [detective] Okay. Start with one, then. 508 00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:15,516 [Jay] Well, okay. 509 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,563 Uh, the question is, my relationship with… with the kid. 510 00:32:20,647 --> 00:32:21,731 [detective] Yeah. 511 00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:27,111 What we learned was that Jay had been friends with that teenage boy for years. 512 00:32:27,904 --> 00:32:29,948 [O'Brien] They had a friendship together 513 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:35,161 where he tried to, you know, mentor and teach him, things like that. 514 00:32:35,244 --> 00:32:37,163 [Jay] And I said… I talked to him about baseball. 515 00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:40,249 He'd come over and sit on my truck, tailgate at the front of my thing. 516 00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,418 He'd ask me if I'd come over, show him how to hit. 517 00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,295 I said, "I'll come down with your grandfather." 518 00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:46,005 -"We'll pitch baseball." -[detective] Yeah. 519 00:32:46,089 --> 00:32:48,508 [Jay] "I'll show you how to stand and swing the bat." 520 00:32:49,008 --> 00:32:50,927 [Andrew] And then they had a falling out. 521 00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:53,846 And for whatever reason, 522 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:56,140 it caused a breakup between the two of 'em. 523 00:32:56,224 --> 00:33:01,396 And Jay no longer allowed the 15-year-old boy 524 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:04,607 to come to Jay's house and property anymore. 525 00:33:04,691 --> 00:33:06,859 [detective] Did he ever threaten you at all? 526 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,823 [Jay] I told him, "I don't want you coming in this house ever again." 527 00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,201 [Andrew] What happened after that is, 528 00:33:15,284 --> 00:33:17,829 there was a horse that lived across the road 529 00:33:18,454 --> 00:33:21,082 that belonged to the people that owned the property, 530 00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:24,669 and Jay took a liking to it 531 00:33:24,752 --> 00:33:27,714 and sort of considered it his horse, Ginger. 532 00:33:28,506 --> 00:33:32,176 [Jay] This is the barn that she used to come in and out of all the time, 533 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,555 and she'd go up in the 45 acres up there, and she'd go over… 534 00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:37,849 [Blake] It's hard to say what happened to Ginger. 535 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:41,686 One day, they found her bleeding in the field. 536 00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:44,897 They called the veterinarian, 537 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:49,068 and Jay says the veterinarian said Ginger has been stabbed. 538 00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:51,362 [ominous music plays] 539 00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:55,491 [Blake] The horse lived for a few more weeks 540 00:33:55,575 --> 00:33:57,368 and then succumbed to the injuries. 541 00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:02,040 And for Jay, that was tantamount to murder. 542 00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:03,958 Rest in peace, Ginger. 543 00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:08,838 And, uh, I really love her a lot, and I miss her terribly. 544 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,007 I really do. 545 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:12,258 We used to play… 546 00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:14,886 Jay thought that that teenage boy 547 00:34:14,969 --> 00:34:18,347 had stabbed and murdered the horse. 548 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:24,312 [Andrew] Jay believed that the 15-year-old killed Ginger 549 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,481 because of the falling out 550 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:32,403 and the fact that he was no longer allowed to come to Jay's property. 551 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:37,950 [Blake] We interviewed people who said that, in the months after, 552 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:41,788 Jay talked about revenge, revenge, revenge. 553 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,706 What form that would take, 554 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:45,958 people didn't know what to think. 555 00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:52,048 [Andrew] So now we have an issue between the person who finds this head 556 00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:55,093 and another man whose house 557 00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:59,722 is the only house that's very, very close to where the head was found. 558 00:35:02,391 --> 00:35:04,227 Something wasn't right. 559 00:35:05,561 --> 00:35:10,149 [Blake] One of the other things that surprised me initially with Jay 560 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:14,570 was his knowledge about the body trade industry. 561 00:35:15,446 --> 00:35:16,322 What's your theory? 562 00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:19,450 I don't know. I told him that I thought there was events, 563 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:21,410 and I was the first one to bring it up, 564 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:25,790 that they do seminars at some of these hotels and stuff like that, 565 00:35:25,873 --> 00:35:28,709 where they put plastic on the floor, and they cut, they experiment, 566 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,545 and take eyes and legs and arms, 567 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:33,506 whatever, hearts, kidneys, or whatever. 568 00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:38,636 [Blake] He knew that there were these conferences in hotels, 569 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,597 and he also knew, he said, 570 00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:47,311 that sometimes body parts would just be thrown in a dumpster. 571 00:35:49,397 --> 00:35:51,399 And it always surprised me that he knew that. 572 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:52,692 I hadn't known it. 573 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,779 And I had done a lot of research at the outset. 574 00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:59,991 But Jay knew it, and I always wondered why. 575 00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:05,913 It fundamentally changed how I thought about his possible involvement, 576 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:10,001 that Jay did have something to do with placing that head there. 577 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,504 I joked with Jay at the beginning. 578 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:17,008 I said, "You see everything that takes place on this street, don't you?" 579 00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:19,552 -He said, "Just about." -[Jay] The little one couldn't make it… 580 00:36:19,635 --> 00:36:21,470 He gave me a tour of the house. 581 00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:25,266 In part of the house, there was a telescope. 582 00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:30,062 We sent down, uh, one of our cameramen, 583 00:36:30,146 --> 00:36:32,899 and I said, "Go to the spot where the head was found." 584 00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,612 The telescope was pointed toward that area. 585 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:41,699 You could see him from… Through the telescope from that window. 586 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:45,411 It's the only spot on… on, uh, the road 587 00:36:45,494 --> 00:36:51,042 where the… the, uh, the… the head could be seen from the road, 588 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:54,170 but also from the house… From the window. 589 00:36:54,253 --> 00:36:57,048 Yes. I totally agree with that. Yeah. 590 00:36:57,131 --> 00:37:00,801 [Blake] Part of me thought Jay put that head there in the field. 591 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:04,639 And Jay had a telescope set up to see that spot. 592 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:09,685 He was watching, and he got to see how it played out. 593 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:13,773 So if you look at this map, 594 00:37:13,856 --> 00:37:17,735 that's the road where the house Jay was living is along. 595 00:37:17,818 --> 00:37:19,153 It's right around here. 596 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:23,616 The head is found over here, 597 00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:28,537 and that spot has another piece of significance that involves Jay. 598 00:37:28,621 --> 00:37:30,206 It's mere feet 599 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:34,001 from where his horse Ginger was injured. 600 00:37:35,002 --> 00:37:38,422 She was later buried by Jay right about here. 601 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,885 So, if you think about why this spot, 602 00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:48,808 it's the spot that Jay associates with what he believed was the murder 603 00:37:49,558 --> 00:37:52,395 of his friend, Ginger. 604 00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:58,359 On that day, I think that boy 605 00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:01,070 was doing exactly what he'd done on many other days, 606 00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:03,447 which was walking through that field. 607 00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:06,158 And that's how he spotted the head. 608 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:11,747 And Jay knew that boy would come across it. 609 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:15,126 And I think that's what Jay was banking on. 610 00:38:17,086 --> 00:38:22,133 This continued to make me concerned about Jay 611 00:38:22,216 --> 00:38:24,802 and what his involvement was. 612 00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:31,475 [Blake] As I continued to visit Jay, I wanted to see if I could get deeper. 613 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,896 And one of the areas that I broached with him was, 614 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,399 would you be willing to take a polygraph test? 615 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,694 [Blake] Would you go in and take a polygraph test for them? 616 00:38:41,777 --> 00:38:43,321 -Fuckin' right! -[Blake] You would? 617 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,197 You're fucking right I would! 618 00:38:45,865 --> 00:38:48,868 Them motherfuckers think I had anything to do with that head? 619 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,495 I'll do it tomorrow! 620 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,623 Go get the damn thing set up! I'll do it tomorrow! 621 00:38:55,249 --> 00:38:57,918 You don't think I'm serious about getting this solved? 622 00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,712 He was very insistent. 623 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:06,886 And so we arranged with one of the state's best polygraph examiners 624 00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:07,845 to do this. 625 00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:13,726 We came up with three primary questions to ask him. 626 00:39:13,809 --> 00:39:16,562 "Did you place that severed head in that field?" 627 00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,981 His answer was "no." 628 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:22,109 "Regarding that severed head found across from your house, 629 00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:23,444 did you place that there?" 630 00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:25,321 His answer was "no." 631 00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:30,326 "Did you plan with anyone to place that severed head in that field?" 632 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:31,619 His answer was "no." 633 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:35,831 In each case, deception was indicated. 634 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:37,458 And by deception, 635 00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:43,339 a 99.9% chance that he was not telling the truth. 636 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:47,176 It's not like, "We're a little bit unsure." 637 00:39:47,718 --> 00:39:49,845 It's, "You were lying." 638 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,599 Minutes after he finished, 639 00:39:53,682 --> 00:39:56,435 we sat down with Jay to explain the results. 640 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,397 [Blake] How do you think this makes you look? 641 00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,233 I don't care how it makes me look. I'm telling the truth. 642 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:06,153 I know nothing about the head, where it came from, 643 00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,906 or who cooked up the idea to do that head! 644 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:12,618 I'm dead straight honest, period. 645 00:40:13,285 --> 00:40:14,912 I'm not built no other way. 646 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,832 [unsettling music plays] 647 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:21,752 [O'Brien] I believe that Jay knows how that head got there. 648 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:26,173 I think it almost became a cat and mouse game for Jay, 649 00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:29,718 where he's gonna put a little bit out there and see what we do with it. 650 00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:31,595 That horse… 651 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,431 [Blake] Every time I spoke with Jay, 652 00:40:33,931 --> 00:40:37,935 there would be some other element that would stop me in my tracks. 653 00:40:39,228 --> 00:40:41,689 I had heard rumors that the head 654 00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,358 may have been connected to Jay in some way. 655 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,027 Someone mentioned, could it have been his mother? 656 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:50,573 And matter-of-factly, he told me 657 00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:56,203 about the fact that he had lost his best friend, his dog Jackie. 658 00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:00,166 He pointed to a standalone freezer in the basement of the house 659 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,710 and said, "She's in there." 660 00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:04,670 "Double-bagged, freeze-dried." 661 00:41:06,046 --> 00:41:09,383 Could that freezer have held a human head? 662 00:41:10,801 --> 00:41:13,387 Yes, it could have. 663 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:16,265 This was my mother, 1939. 664 00:41:16,348 --> 00:41:20,603 [Andrew] We knew that Jay's mother had passed away 665 00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:23,189 15 years before the head was found. 666 00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:27,193 So we followed that as best we could, 667 00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:29,528 checked her grave. 668 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:31,530 We checked with the funeral home. 669 00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:34,909 We checked to see if there was any possibility 670 00:41:34,992 --> 00:41:39,580 of any tampering with it before the casket was buried, 671 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:43,125 and we even double-checked with family members. 672 00:41:44,418 --> 00:41:47,046 We have a couple of pictures of Jay's mom, 673 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,173 showed 'em to the experts, 674 00:41:49,715 --> 00:41:51,800 and they don't feel it matches. 675 00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:57,515 But I was certainly still looking at the possibility 676 00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:00,726 that Jay Grabner is somehow involved in this. 677 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:04,605 I think Jay definitely knows, 678 00:42:05,105 --> 00:42:07,775 uh, a lot more than we were able to find out from him. 679 00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:15,533 [Andrew] In 2020, 680 00:42:15,616 --> 00:42:18,536 we got a call from the Ohio Highway Patrol. 681 00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:25,376 Jay Grabner drove his pickup truck on the Ohio Turnpike, 682 00:42:26,627 --> 00:42:29,505 pulled up along an overpass. 683 00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:35,678 There is a truck on the turnpike heading towards that overpass, 684 00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:40,474 and Jay jumps off the overpass in front of the truck. 685 00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:50,150 [Blake] I don't doubt that there were some sort of mental health issues 686 00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:51,402 that he struggled with. 687 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:57,074 What they were, I don't know. 688 00:42:57,866 --> 00:42:59,243 It surprised me, though. 689 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,247 It saddened me a lot. 690 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:05,499 [somber music plays] 691 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,294 [Andrew] Jay Grabner commits suicide. 692 00:43:08,377 --> 00:43:11,130 My best lead is gone. 693 00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:16,927 He was the last string I had in solving this case. 694 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:26,061 [Blake] If Jay were responsible for putting that head in that field, 695 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:31,859 that solves only one element of this mystery. 696 00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:33,861 The other mystery, 697 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:40,242 which I think is arguably more important, is, who is she? 698 00:43:41,201 --> 00:43:42,036 Who is she? 699 00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,583 A burial service is set after a woman's embalmed head 700 00:43:47,666 --> 00:43:50,294 was found in the woods in Western Pennsylvania. 701 00:43:50,377 --> 00:43:54,632 The Beaver County coroner and police are still working to identify the woman. 702 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:58,427 The remains will be buried at a Beaver County cemetery tomorrow. 703 00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,724 [bells toll] 704 00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:05,809 [melancholy music plays] 705 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:10,147 [O'Brien] On the anniversary of her discovery, 706 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,817 we had decided to, uh, do a funeral service. 707 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:18,781 It was attended by most of us that were involved in the case 708 00:44:18,864 --> 00:44:21,241 and our wives, our loved ones. 709 00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:22,910 Um, and it was sad. 710 00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:24,995 [melancholy music continues] 711 00:44:28,123 --> 00:44:31,919 [O'Brien] The coroner was able to put her in a full-size casket 712 00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:37,216 so that when the rest of her is found, she can be reunited as whole. 713 00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:42,596 And she has a headstone there that reads "Jane Doe." 714 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,682 [melancholy music continues] 715 00:44:46,558 --> 00:44:49,186 [Kristen] All the investigators in the case 716 00:44:49,269 --> 00:44:52,231 wanted to make sure that she had a proper burial. 717 00:44:53,148 --> 00:44:56,443 It was almost a bit of a public promise that they wouldn't forget about it 718 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,154 and that they would keep working for answers for her. 719 00:45:00,614 --> 00:45:02,282 [O'Brien] The hardest thing about this case 720 00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:05,786 is knowing that somebody out there 721 00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,622 doesn't even know that their loved one 722 00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:10,999 is the person who we're looking to identify. 723 00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:15,921 What do we know about Jane Doe? We know she's a female, 724 00:45:16,755 --> 00:45:18,507 probably in her 60s or older. 725 00:45:19,466 --> 00:45:20,843 We don't have her DNA. 726 00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:23,220 We don't know how she got there. 727 00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:28,267 [Kristen] She deserves to have everyone know who she really is. 728 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:33,647 She deserves to be buried with a headstone with her name on it. 729 00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,192 No one should be buried as a Jane Doe. 730 00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:44,324 In 50 years, I've solved most of the stuff I investigate. 731 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,413 There are only a handful 732 00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:54,460 that I've been involved in that I don't know the answer. 733 00:45:56,211 --> 00:45:58,547 I don't know who put the head there. 734 00:46:00,507 --> 00:46:03,010 I don't know who the lady is. 735 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:08,724 I don't know why she has red rubber balls where her eyes should be. 736 00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,686 That's a lot of "I don't knows." 737 00:46:14,897 --> 00:46:18,192 This has become something I can't let go. 738 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:26,867 Almost everybody else in that cemetery has someone who comes and mourns. 739 00:46:28,368 --> 00:46:30,162 Who comes and mourns her? 740 00:46:30,245 --> 00:46:32,247 [melancholy music continues] 741 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,216 [music fades] 742 00:46:49,515 --> 00:46:51,517 [unsettling music plays] 743 00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:05,007 [music stops]